From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Tue Sep 1 03:14:44 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Tue Sep 1 03:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > My neighbor's been 4/10 for a couple years now, and _loves_ it. He's got > Friday off; he mows his lawn first thing, then he's free for the entire > weekend. -JW I used to work all sorts of different sorts of schedules when I worked more kind of shift work (television broadcast operations). I've worked 4-10s which I liked. Others I worked with did 3-12s (then 4 days off) and loved that. Scheduling like these works really well in jobs where you have to be there certain amounts of time, you know, somebody has to be on console 24 hours a day and you divide those shifts up somehow between different people. I tried working then a normal software engineering job, 9 hours a day and having a day off every two weeks. I liked it but the other people I worked with didn't like it so much, less time to schedule meetings with me and long days then with a day off means 40 hr/week is harder to push into 45,50,etc to get more work done. I didn't get to do it as much after that and eventually it sort of got discouraged away. I think the place I work now is worried enough about staying in business that they would be freaked out if they thought I was not working one day a week or every other week. My gf is sort of doing something like it now though, working for a local city government here. I think hers is more like an 8 1/2 hour day with Monday off every 4 weeks. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 1 12:14:32 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Sep 1 12:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919162,00.html > > Sounds like a great solution to me, in certain sectors. And if some places > were to work tues-fri it would cut down traffic on two days a week so even > those who were doing a 5 day week would get direct benefit from it on > mondays and fridays. Um... Everyone knows it's "So Happy It's Thursday". Now, for the geeky side of things, I heard someone suggest using six 28-hour "days" during the week. Sure, your days slip from the 24-hour clock others use, but they re-sync every week. (And for those of us without much access to the Big Blue Room, it won't matter much, anyway.) One less meal cycle per week. A 14% reduction in laundry. Etc. :-) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 1 22:18:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Sep 1 22:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Gonna build References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C794D6268760TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Frog Prince" ! > >> Were you able to get a performance bond? > > We're not under contract yet. Ditto what FP said, too many people going out of business these days, taking your money with them. Happened here in town, now there is a road to be plowed and maintained that no one is responsible for, contractor went tits up and the town has no authority. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 11:43:44 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Sep 3 11:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Never a good experience with tmobile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > CC rep #4 claims to have made things work. We'll see. "Why are you > leaving?" Coverage is bad. "Can I give you a credit to make you stay?" > Uh. How about no? What's the point if I can't use the service??? Gotta be better coverage than we used to have with Sprint. We would get a (weak) signal from the from of the house, and no signal from the back. We recently got a second cell phone for those rare occasions that my wife and I are both out, and not together. So we decided for one of those "prepaid" plans, where you only pay for those days which you actually use the phone. (Much cheaper than even the cheapest "normal" cell phone plan, even those "family" plans.) After a couple of days, we started getting several calls a day from an 866 number. A quick online search showed us that it was Verizon (our service provider) calling with "offers" for our new phone. So, after several more calls, we decided to answer, and to tell that we wanted to "opt out" (when did we "opt in"? -- probably somewhere buried in the service agreement) of the offers. Guess what? It turns out that answering the sales call that they placed to us cost us money! In fact, it cost us $1.19 -- a 99 cent "daily usage fee" (which is what the plan calls for, except the phone wasn't "used" for anything except answering their call), plus 20 cents for the two minutes (apparently, Verizon's sales calls are not Verizon-to-Verizon, for which the plan includes unlimited minutes, and it cost us 10 cents per minute). -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 13:24:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Sep 3 13:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Never a good experience with tmobile References: Message-ID: You didn't pay did you?, I'd certainly threaten to go to the DA on sonething like that. "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h7oo7i$aoq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: .... > > Guess what? It turns out that answering the sales call that they placed > to us cost us money! In fact, it cost us $1.19 -- a 99 cent "daily usage > fee" (which is what the plan calls for, except the phone wasn't "used" for > anything except answering their call), plus 20 cents for the two minutes > (apparently, Verizon's sales calls are not Verizon-to-Verizon, for which > the plan includes unlimited minutes, and it cost us 10 cents per minute). > > -- > Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 21:28:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Sep 3 21:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7881BE77ED6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1919162,00.html > > Sounds like a great solution to me, in certain sectors. And if some places > were to work tues-fri it would cut down traffic on two days a week so even > those who were doing a 5 day week would get direct benefit from it on > mondays and fridays. I'd be happy with 4 *8* hour days, but four tens at my job would be effing brutal, an eight hour day is bad enough. I'd never see the light of day in the winter, and I don't like that as it is. Personally I'm pretty sick to death of burning the candle at both endsalready. By the time Friday arrived I'd be catatonic. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 21:34:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Sep 3 21:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: methinks he doth protest too much References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7880D97A3EDsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://www.time.com/time/quotes > > > "The Justice Department reviewed all those allegations several years ago." > DICK CHENEY, former Vice President, criticizing the Obama Administration's > decision to investigate the abuse of prisoners held by the CIA Ya think?? "Don't look here, nothing to see....move along... harrumph harrumph...." From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 23:05:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 3 23:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h7pqg3$5u6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'd be happy with 4 *8* hour days, but four tens at my job would be effing > brutal, an eight hour day is bad enough. I'd never see the light of day > in the winter, and I don't like that as it is. Personally I'm pretty sick > to death of burning the candle at both endsalready. By the time Friday > arrived I'd be catatonic. > I'd have to agree, at least with my old job. 8 hour days frequently turned into 9-10 hour days when things fell behind during the day but still needed finished by COB. A "forced" 10 hour work day, like my old company has gone to (4 x 10) + 8 on alternating Fridays with alternating Fridays off, would just fry my brain. I'd be willing to bet that either nothing useful gets done in the 1st or last hours, because the workers are still half asleep in the morning from getting up so early and from burning out by the end of the day. And how about the impact on the enjoyment of a private life? No more softball at 5:30 after work, no more happy hours with cow-workers, no more getting in 9 holes of golf before it gets dark, no time to do some yardwork before dark, it just upsets the entire rhythm of a 'normal' lifestyle. Screw having every other Friday off -- it can't possibly compensate for what you lose on the other 13 days during the period. From user at domain.invalid Fri Sep 4 02:01:23 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Sep 4 02:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > So I found the answer to my question - the one about alcohol being bad for > exercise. The funny thing is that I found this answer while looking at new > hardware dongles. So, without further ado, the query that pulls up the > right answer in top position is: > how it will affect performance > > Now, if you change that to: > how alcohol will affect performance > You do not get the "right" answer (the answer I was looking for, anyway) at > the top. Ah, you have discovered the Zen of Googling :). Expect nothing, need nothing and it will come to you. Yeah, weird principle for a search engine (like it can take *forever*). But congratulations, I think. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 4 11:02:51 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 4 11:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Entropy can decrease. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > http://www.physorg.com/news170586562.html Lorenzo Maccone's page at the quantum information theory group's website http://www.quantummechanics.it/people/maccone/ Nice wiki article on Loschmidt's paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loschmidt's_paradox Loschmidt's paradox, also known as the reversibility paradox, is the objection that it should not be possible to deduce an irreversible process from time-symmetric dynamics. This puts the time reversal symmetry of (almost) all known low-level fundamental physical processes at odds with any attempt to infer from them the second law of thermodynamics which describes the behaviour of macroscopic systems. Both of these are well-accepted principles in physics, with sound observational and theoretical support, yet they seem to be in conflict; hence the paradox. Maccone attacks the 232 y/o paradox/conundrum involving the entropy/'arrow of time' proof/inference from the perspective of quantum information theory, of course. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Fri Sep 4 12:13:42 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Sep 4 12:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7C4AFF5B6B5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : It wasn't me! It was Farelf ! : : > But congratulations, I think. : : Alas, no. I was starting to think that I'd made it all up. The link : confirmed that I hadn't. And that if I want to get faster I need to give : up beer. I'm having a brewing room (well, 3 of them) built into my new : house - does it sound like I'm ready to give up beer? So you're committed to being half fast? From user at domain.invalid Fri Sep 4 14:05:18 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Sep 4 14:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > ... I'm having a brewing room (well, 3 of them) built into my new > house - does it sound like I'm ready to give up beer? No it doesn't. But on the plus side, I think I know men who would come and work for you, just for "board and lodgings." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 4 17:14:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Sep 4 17:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7BD89E4E501sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > That doesn't seem a fair trade off... to work the extra hours and only > get every other friday off. Mind you, hubby works 5x10 on a good week... > bad weeks are much worse. And never gets fridays off! Who are all these > people who get to leave work early on fridays, some it seems as early as > noon. > I think I got my math wrong...it must be [(4 x 9) + 8] + [4 x 9] = 80, what I original wrote adds up to 88 hours bi-weekly. But still, having to get up an hour early every day or stay an hour late sucks! And I guarantee you that if the program you are working on has meetings scheduled for Fridays that you are going to be going to work on that "day off", at least for a few hours. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 4 19:54:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 4 19:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Entropy can decrease. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > http://www.physorg.com/news170586562.html What I want to know is how you came to be reading an article in PhysOrg.com? According to the site, its readership has grown to 1.5 million since 2004, and Quancast judges it in its top 3000 websites -- but testing googlenews for current hits on Lorenzo Maccone, I get 2 (news articles), one in physorg and one in the guardian .uk, which is also a nice article btw. Does that mean you are a regular physorg reader? How did you come to find that site and become a reader there? Do you subscribe to its RSS feed? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 4 21:18:38 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 4 21:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > My shoulder, that is. I guess I'm off for xrays. Wish me luck, > whatever that means! I don't know what happened or what it looks or feels like, but I'm going for some kind of dislocation related process. Good luck. Dislocated or was dislocated but reduced is bad/painful enough, but better than b0rken. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 4 23:45:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 4 23:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> I don't know what happened or what it looks or feels like, but I'm >> going for some kind of dislocation related process. > > Blunt force trauma, dude. Shoulder, rock. > > Not broken! I must just be a wuss. Mind you, when I turned around to > back out of the ER parking lot something popped and I screamed. So... > While it's probably not broken it's way not the way it's supposed to be. If you dislocated it and then it reduced itself and then you went in to the ER and they failed to properly diagnose what had happened, then you wouldn't be managed properly. Shoulder dislocations can be very painful and they can tend to be repetitive if they aren't managed properly. When you have recently dislocated, it is exceedingly easy to dislocate again. And then reduce again. That dislocating isn't good. You shouldn't be popping your shoulder out painfully, not just because it is painful, but because it isn't good for the joint's stability and integrity. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Sat Sep 5 00:30:03 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sat Sep 5 00:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles said the following on 05/09/09 05:04: > It wasn't me! It was Farelf! > >> on the plus side, I think I know men who would come >> and work for you, just for "board and lodgings." > > Prolly not the kind of folks I'd really want working for me... And having > taps (read: free and endless supply of beer) isn't always the great thing > you think it is... Me, I have to figure out how to empty another 60 bottles before I dare start another batch. From user at domain.invalid Sat Sep 5 01:36:24 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Sep 5 01:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > ... And having > taps (read: free and endless supply of beer) isn't always the great thing > you think it is... Ah, that is a journey, I think, we must each undertake for ourselves - such wisdom is an individual thing, hard-won. Once breweries (or at least the principal local one in this, a hard-drinking region in a very thirsty land) allowed employees to tipple at the close of shift and at lunch times too, I think. There was an ice-cream factory here too, with a similar policy for their wares - and that included the rich chocolate they used for dipping, great slabs of it and they were free, as much as you could eat. In both cases, nothing to go out the door. The chocoholics would only last weeks/a month before swearing off the stuff forever and these were lean times. Back in the brewery ... well, the turnover rate was just about zero, despite better-paying jobs elsewhere, and employee consumption never reduced. Probably no great blessing for the brewery workers, as you say, but no vacancy there was ever less than hotly uncontested. From user at domain.invalid Sat Sep 5 04:14:38 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Sep 5 04:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > blessing for the brewery workers, as you say, but no vacancy there was > ever less than hotly uncontested. Er ... 'hotly contested' that is, of course. Not 'uncontested' - whole generations worked there if they could, grandfather, father and son. Like on the docks. Daughters were packed off to the ice-cream place :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 09:05:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Sep 5 09:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7D5AA59FE80TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> You shouldn't be popping your >> shoulder out painfully, not just because it is painful, but because it >> isn't good for the joint's stability and integrity. > > I think it was a muscle rolling over the bone - from front to back or the > other way. It was surprisingly painful. Go to an orthopedist, ER doctors are surprisingly unwilling to look for a real problem - they should have ordered an MRI, or at least sent you somewhere to be seen by a specialist. You probably need an MRI because something tore and that's not seen on xrays. But nice of them to send you home anyway. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Sep 5 15:13:04 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Sep 5 15:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] New Yorker magazine story Message-ID: My position on capital punishment is that I am in favor, ie not an 'abolitionist'; however I accept virtually all of the arguments provided by the death penalty abolitionist anti-s, agreeing with many of their argument very strongly. In Dec 1991 a house in Corsicana burned down. 3 little girls, 1 aged 2 and twins aged 1 were killed. Their father Cameron Willingham escaped with burns. The mother wasn't home at the time. Investigators concluded arson by the father and a capital punishment case for trial. The prosecution surprisingly offered him a plea bargain for life which he even more surprisingly refused, considering the strength of the investigatory evidence against him and his lawyers advice to take the plea bargain. In 1992 he was convicted of multiple homicide and sentenced to death. In spring 1999, 7 years after his death sentencing, Elizabeth Gilbert started visiting him in death row, initially encouraged by a an anti-capital punishment friend. She developed a progressively intense interest in the case and over the next 5 years she visited and interviewed and researched all of the elements of the case. The more she researched the more concerned she became at the weakness and 'reversibility' of all of the evidence. She continued to investigate and interview and research for the next 5 years. In 2004 she contacted Dr. Gerald Hurst an acclaimed scientist and fire investigator. Hurst's background includes his being a child prodigy, a Cambridge PhD in chemistry, and a signficant experience re-investigating criminal arson cases.. He reviewed the damning arson evidence compiled by the Corsicana investigators and concluded that the fire was not arson set by Willingham and that Willingham's story of the fire was quite plausible, instead of patently absurd and unbelievable to the investigators at the time. He filed his report with the prison board, but they denied the appeal. Willingham was executed by lethal injection at Hunstville in Feb 2004 after 12 years on death row. This month the New Yorker magazine published a 19 page article entitled, "Trial by Fire -- Did Texas execute an innocent man?" which tells the Willingham fire story in a fascinating manner particularly the fire investigation forensics. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?curren tPage=1 or http://snipr.com/rmpqw -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 18:03:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Sep 5 18:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7D8069E126TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! >> It wasn't a hospital - it was convenient care. And I would much rather > have been at CC as it's only a few minutes from the house. We'll watch > how > things evolve and react in function. Perhaps that will mean an MRI - > we'll > see! Well, that's very convenient to be a few minutes from your house, and utterly useless as they don't seem to have diagnosed or treated you properly. I've been watching a show on Animal Planet about people infected with odd sorts of parasites. Amazing how when each of them goes to the doctor with symptoms that are severe and unusual, they're sent home with "the flu" or with "a minor skin infection", instead of really bothering to do any homework. In one guy's case, had malaria for years and was now damaging his circulation, it took something like two years and seven or eight different doctors before a urologist finally figured out why his naughty bits were all swollen (now he has irreversible elephantiasis). From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 18:20:19 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Sep 5 18:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Four day work week References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvesterthekat" Newsgroups: spamcop.social Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Four day work week > But wouldn't you enjoy having 3 day weekends? For me, that would more than > offset the 4 tens. I doubt you'd enjoy the pay that only 32 hours would > bring! It would, I find I like them very much, LOL, but not at the expense, as Indi pointed out, of the rest of my life. It's one thing if you have a wife (ahem, LOL) to do everything for you like shopping, household errands, house work, yard work, so you just have to go to work and come home. It's another thing entirely if at the end of a ten hour day, you are still supposed to keep up with all the other things you do before and after work (I do most of my errands on the way home from work), and have "a life". Working from, say 8-7 and then having to do everything else would be miserable, that's not getting home till 8 or after, then having to do things like cook, eat, laundry...BLEH. By the time that magical Friday arrived I'd be completely exhausted. We have a summer schedule like that at work for people who want it, 9 times out of 10 they have to work on their assigned day off anyway, and have to take another one, usually not attached to a weekend, so they lose the whole benefit of three days in a row. Oh, and I'd expect to be paid my 40 hour pay for my four day 32 hour week...;D They don't pay me enough anyway. From me at privacy.net Sat Sep 5 19:01:27 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h7ud87$aut$1@news.spamcop.net... : My position on capital punishment is that I am in favor, ie not an : 'abolitionist'; however I accept virtually all of the arguments : provided by the death penalty abolitionist anti-s, agreeing with many of : their argument very strongly. : : In Dec 1991 a house in Corsicana burned down. 3 little girls, 1 aged 2 : and twins aged 1 were killed. Their father Cameron Willingham escaped : with burns. The mother wasn't home at the time. Investigators : concluded arson by the father and a capital punishment case for trial. : The prosecution surprisingly offered him a plea bargain for life which : he even more surprisingly refused, considering the strength of the : investigatory evidence against him and his lawyers advice to take the : plea bargain. In 1992 he was convicted of multiple homicide and : sentenced to death. : : In spring 1999, 7 years after his death sentencing, Elizabeth Gilbert : started visiting him in death row, initially encouraged by a an : anti-capital punishment friend. She developed a progressively intense : interest in the case and over the next 5 years she visited and : interviewed and researched all of the elements of the case. The more : she researched the more concerned she became at the weakness and : 'reversibility' of all of the evidence. She continued to investigate : and interview and research for the next 5 years. In 2004 she contacted : Dr. Gerald Hurst an acclaimed scientist and fire investigator. Hurst's : background includes his being a child prodigy, a Cambridge PhD in : chemistry, and a significant experience re-investigating criminal arson : cases.. : : He reviewed the damning arson evidence compiled by the Corsicana : investigators and concluded that the fire was not arson set by : Willingham and that Willingham's story of the fire was quite plausible, : instead of patently absurd and unbelievable to the investigators at the : time. He filed his report with the prison board, but they denied the : appeal. : : Willingham was executed by lethal injection at Huntsville in Feb 2004 : after 12 years on death row. : : This month the New Yorker magazine published a 19 page article entitled, : "Trial by Fire -- Did Texas execute an innocent man?" which tells the : Willingham fire story in a fascinating manner particularly the fire : investigation forensics. : : http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?curren : tPage=1 or http://snipr.com/rmpqw : I'm personally familiar with the justice system in Corsicana and the communities surrounding Navarro County. The only way to get off is with political pull/money regardless of guilt. Years back the locals were running a scam where they would stop travelers driving high end cars and salt the cars with drugs. The deal 20 in the state can at Huntsville or sign over all your stuff. They got away with the game for years until they tried it on two DEA undercover types who were traveling with their families. Feds pushed the issue and that bunch went to jail. Only to be replaced with another crooked and incompetent bunch. Right now Texas is spending millions as reparations for false and malicious prosecution. All said and done and discounting the false executions it cost something on the order of 5X to execute someone what it cost to keep them in prison until they die. Current Dallas DA has won national awards for his efforts to reverse false convictions. (Some Texas DA's refuse access to evidence that can clear someone as 'they had their chance in court'.) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 20:39:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Sep 5 20:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7DAC057C39Esylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> > > Ugh, I watched Jockeys and saw that that was on next and decided I > couldn't > face it lol. > > I was so glad when Iggy won his race. I totally *heart* Iggy, what a sweetie - not just a jock who gets on the horse because he has to ride but actually has a relationship with them. I like that in a person :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 22:07:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Sep 5 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should >> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty >> without any doubt in the matter. > > But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. Besides, guilty or not these guys are usually scumbags anyway , rght? And how can we otherwise provoke the confessions that allow the cops and DA's to clear their cases rapidly and with a minimum of fuss? And what would all those appeals court justices do with their time? From me at privacy.net Sat Sep 5 22:27:53 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Sep 5 22:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h7v5h1$pgo$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Charles" wrote in message : news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! : > : >> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should : >> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty : >> without any doubt in the matter. : > : > But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. : : Besides, guilty or not these guys are usually scumbags anyway , rght? : : And how can we otherwise provoke the confessions that allow the cops and : DA's to clear their cases rapidly and with a minimum of fuss? : : And what would all those appeals court justices do with their time? If you're talking Texas ... not much as the system is gamed against the defendant. Not long a Texas Appeals court judge closed the door at the stroke of 5 PM leaving the defendant's attorneys locked out in the hall. Guy was executed a few hours later. Since the question is moot no one can say what the outcome of the appeal might have been. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 23:08:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Sep 5 23:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7D8069E126TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Go to an orthopedist, ER doctors are surprisingly unwilling to look >> for a real problem - they should have ordered an MRI, or at least sent >> you somewhere to be seen by a specialist. You probably need an MRI >> because something tore and that's not seen on xrays. But nice of them >> to send you home anyway. > > It wasn't a hospital - it was convenient care. And I would much rather > have been at CC as it's only a few minutes from the house. We'll watch > how > things evolve and react in function. Perhaps that will mean an MRI - > we'll > see! A trip to a chiropractor would't hurt.....I (unknowingly) dislocated my right scapula when I got undercut going up for a rebound on a concrete basketball court, landing on my right back/shoulder when I was around 22 yrs old, only had crappy college student insurance so I didn't get any medical care. After a week or so the pain/swelling was low enough that I could actually raise that arm high enough to help wash my hair. But for years afterwards I couldn't throw a softball/baseball without significant shoulder pain. In 1990 (about 7 years after the original injury) I saw a chiropractor for my lower back problems and mentioned my shoulder pain. She popped my scapula back into place and from then on I could throw pain free -- well, the last few years I was playing before going on the DL with Lyme diesease it was my right elbow that hurt when throwing really hard, but that's just age catching up on my joints. I still had the best arm (maybe second best) on the team, it just hurt like hell to let one loose! Get thy ass to a chiropractor! Or a least a knowledgeable physical therapist who knows something about proper bone/joint alignments. From me at privacy.net Sun Sep 6 09:44:37 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 6 09:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7DE93FC8E67sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : Charles wrote in : news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: : : > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! : > : >> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should : >> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty : >> without any doubt in the matter. : > : > But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. : > : : ... and we all know how well that's worked out in the past. usually, the : cases I'm referring to never go to trial because it would be absurd to even : bother. the perp admits it or can't possibly deny it and everybody goes : home In Texas it seems there's one more play. The prep is innocent but the LEO and the DA game the system with the result the perp takes a plea or is falsely convicted/executed. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Sep 6 10:28:12 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Sep 6 10:30:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h80ec5$i1g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9C7DE93FC8E67sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > : Charles wrote in > : news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > : > : > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > : > > : >> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should > : >> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty > : >> without any doubt in the matter. > : > > : > But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. > : > > : > : ... and we all know how well that's worked out in the past. usually, the > : cases I'm referring to never go to trial because it would be absurd to > even > : bother. the perp admits it or can't possibly deny it and everybody goes > : home > > In Texas it seems there's one more play. The prep is innocent but the LEO > and the DA game the system with the result the perp takes a plea or is > falsely convicted/executed. That's not just in Texas, the threat of a death penalty is widely used to encourage a confession. Some innocents, rationally plead guilty (especially after encouragement from a public defender) knowing that if they lose in court they're headed to death row. If you have a pretty shitty life to begin with, the choice between prison and death row is not that hard. The real crime is the numbers of actual perps walking around free. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Sep 6 14:38:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Sep 6 14:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7E7FBD3CC84TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Get thy ass to a chiropractor > > Never. But thanks for the kind thoughts. It's not his ass that's broken anyway. I think Charles better get ready to spend some quality time in the "tube"..... Has it improved at all since you tried to kill the rock? From me at privacy.net Sun Sep 6 16:19:34 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 6 16:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7DAC057C39Esylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Heidi" wrote in : news:h7un8d$h12$1@news.spamcop.net: : : : > Well, that's very convenient to be a few minutes from your house, and : > utterly useless as they don't seem to have diagnosed or treated you : > properly. I've been watching a show on Animal Planet about people : > infected with odd sorts of parasites. Amazing how when each of them : > goes to the doctor with symptoms that are severe and unusual, they're : > sent home with "the flu" or with "a minor skin infection", instead of : > really bothering to do any homework. In one guy's case, had malaria : > for years and was now damaging his circulation, it took something like : > two years and seven or eight different doctors before a urologist : > finally figured out why his naughty bits were all swollen (now he has : > irreversible elephantiasis). : > : > : > : : Ugh, I watched Jockeys and saw that that was on next and decided I couldn't : face it lol. Good choice. My wife did some illustration work for Tulane U. department of tropical medicines. Thankfully she did most of her work at the lab where I could avoid seeing much of what she was doing. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Sun Sep 6 19:49:10 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Sun Sep 6 19:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! > >> Me, I have to figure out how to empty another 60 bottles before I dare >> start another batch. > > Whyever so? And is it any good? When I was doing 5 gallon batches I had > to brew every 3 weeks or so in order to keep beer in house. If you wait > until you're out of beer then you have to wait another month on top of > that! Well, I don't actually drink that much. Most nights I have a single beer. Or a glass of wine. So, that's probably like 6 empty bottles a week. My gf doesn't drink beer, so I'm on my own there. I might have to break down and buy some empty bottles. Not sure if the first batch is that good yet. It is still kind of sweet and only vaguely carbonated. I guess it kind of seems like it will be ok. I've only tried two so far, it has only been bottled for a week now. I'll probably start a new batch next weekend and see if I have enough to bottle in a few weeks. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Mon Sep 7 03:15:53 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Mon Sep 7 03:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump Google part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Mr K Mean ! > >> Not sure if the first batch is that good yet. It is still kind of sweet >> and only vaguely carbonated. I guess it kind of seems like it will be >> ok. I've only tried two so far, it has only been bottled for a week now. > > To some extent all of this ties together. It needs to carbonate and age a > little. Actually, for being too sweet and almost flat it needs to > carbonate a good deal. Warmer temps would help with that... Yeah, I assumed the sweet would turn into alcohol eventually. Still not there yet. I should put them on a heating pad but I don't think they will all fit and I just haven't gotten around to it. They are all boxed in a back room that gets pretty cold at night (unheated room) which seems to be 12-14c in the mornings then it finally gets up to like 18-20 during the day. >> I'll probably start a new batch next weekend and see if I have enough to >> bottle in a few weeks. > > Or, hey, it will be OK if it hangs in the fermenter for a while. Honest. > And you can always ask coworkers for bottles. Or, crazy talk, go to a > recycler and buy bottles from them at a premium over the deposit. Of > course, no, I have never done that. But I know people who have. I've gotten some bottles from friends, but then that requires going there and getting them. Part of it is that if I can't empty sixty bottles in a few weeks, I'm not likely to drink my output that quickly either. And I can just let it ferment longer too. Given the coldness of my house, it probably won't brew that fast anyways. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 05:53:19 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Sep 7 05:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7ED1CB64225sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Frog Prince" wrote in > news:h80ec5$i1g$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> In Texas it seems there's one more play. The prep is innocent but the >> LEO and the DA game the system with the result the perp takes a plea >> or is falsely convicted/executed. >> >> >> >> >> > > Well that's just absurd. What the hell is wrong with TX?! Nothing that doesn't happen anywhere else with a death penalty. From me at privacy.net Mon Sep 7 19:49:31 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Sep 7 19:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: -- "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C7F62F91F5F0sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "bar0" wrote in news:h82l6k$vgq$1@news.spamcop.net: : : : >> : >> Well that's just absurd. What the hell is wrong with TX?! : > : > Nothing that doesn't happen anywhere else with a death penalty. : > : : I can't claim to have done any research but I don't think it happens on : quite such a scale in California and TX executes far more people than : anywhere except maybe Florida doesn't it? It seems odd that CA with a much : larger population would have fewer death penalty cases than TX. Something's : not right. A lot is not right. Even if it's one that's too many especially if that one is you or yours. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 20:37:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should >> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty >> without any doubt in the matter. > > But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. Not if convicted by _only_ circumstantial evidence......I think what S-kat meant by "being caught red handed" was multiple reliable witnesses and/or photographic/taped evidence (security cams) etc. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 20:42:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h7v5h1$pgo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >> >>> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should >>> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty >>> without any doubt in the matter. >> >> But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. > > Besides, guilty or not these guys are usually scumbags anyway , rght? I know this will sound pretty harsh and non-PC, but when some guy gets busted in say, Baltimore, and he has a rap sheet of violence/drug dealing a mile long, if he isn't guilty of that particular murder he's likely gotten away with others......so yeah, they're "scumbags" and the city would be better off without them on the streets. How different is a person who sells drugs that kill people (or cause them to injure/kill others to get cash for their "fix") any less guilty of their "customers" crimes than the customers? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 20:45:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Sep 7 20:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C7E7FBD3CC84TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Get thy ass to a chiropractor > > Never. But thanks for the kind thoughts. I thought that was the response I'd get from you....IIRC we've had that particular discussion before about "non-traditional" medical care (or something similar, like when you thought you might have contracted Lyme disease). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 21:49:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Sep 7 21:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h849ft$vqh$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> >> Never. But thanks for the kind thoughts. > > I thought that was the response I'd get from you....IIRC we've had that > particular discussion before about "non-traditional" medical care (or > something similar, like when you thought you might have contracted Lyme > disease). I'm with Charles on that one - if he's ripped or torn something the last thing he needs is someone yanking his shoulder around. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 8 12:58:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Sep 8 13:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, I think it's broken.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h84d84$254$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:h849ft$vqh$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> >>> Never. But thanks for the kind thoughts. >> >> I thought that was the response I'd get from you....IIRC we've had that >> particular discussion before about "non-traditional" medical care (or >> something similar, like when you thought you might have contracted Lyme >> disease). > > I'm with Charles on that one - if he's ripped or torn something the last > thing he needs is someone yanking his shoulder around. They EXAMINE YOU FIRST for crying out loud. They won't touch something that has the potential to cause more damage than good, at least the good chiros and PTs won't. It's like a circle of health care providers in my case, if one can't fix something they tell me to have someone else fix it: acupuncture ==> Bowen PT | | | | PT<===== chiro ==> orthopedics > From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 8 19:32:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Tue Sep 8 19:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Yorker magazine story References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h849a2$vnq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:h7v5h1$pgo$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9C7DD3AC73695TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >>> No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >>> >>>> This sort of case is why I mostly oppose the death penalty. It should >>>> be reserved strictly for those caught red handed or who are guilty >>>> without any doubt in the matter. >>> >>> But that's what a conviction is supposed to prove. >> >> Besides, guilty or not these guys are usually scumbags anyway , rght? > > I know this will sound pretty harsh and non-PC, but when some guy gets > busted in say, Baltimore, and he has a rap sheet of violence/drug dealing > a mile long, if he isn't guilty of that particular murder he's likely > gotten away with others......so yeah, they're "scumbags" and the city > would be better off without them on the streets. How different is a person > who sells drugs that kill people (or cause them to injure/kill others to > get cash for their "fix") any less guilty of their "customers" crimes than > the customers? no more guilty than the guey who sells them arms, or, for that matter automobiles. From avoozl at spamcop.net Wed Sep 9 01:25:09 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Sep 9 01:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: frick a duck References: Message-ID: How about a $500 dell laptop? *g,d&r* "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C806AEC3555FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's a hardware problem. I swear. Anyway, my computer is down again. > Fricking disk drive. Again. Same one that died in February. Grr. Maybe > my drive controller is frying them. What do I know? What do I care? At > least I have a reliable backup plan - I'm getting my data back. But, man, > this is bugging me. I'm thinking very seriously about getting a new > computer. I average about 4 1/2 years a machine - I think that's plenty. > Maybe get a laptop. I suppose I'll have to run the numbers to see what > the > budget looks like before I do anything crazy like get a good machine... From me at privacy.net Wed Sep 9 12:44:43 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Sep 9 12:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Ain't no body happy if mama ain't happy. Message-ID: http://www.flixxy.com/bear-animal-nature-film.htm From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Sep 9 14:16:27 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my account was compromised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C814D225AC88TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Shucks. Who would have guessed that my user name and password were the > same, anyway? I guess someone did. And google/youtube picked up on it > and > shut the account down right away. Crazy stuff. I wonder what tipped them > off... You had a youtube account? Or had a google account cracked? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 9 14:27:12 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 9 14:30:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ain't no body happy if mama ain't happy. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: Subject: Ain't no body happy if mama ain't happy. > http://www.flixxy.com/bear-animal-nature-film.htm That's a male bear at the end of the clip, not the baby's mama. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Sep 9 15:17:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Sep 9 15:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Rotten house.... Message-ID: Over the last couple months I rebuilt my multi-level wrap-around deck and walkway, replacing old warped/cracked/spintered floorboards, cleaning mold off some areas that don't get much sunlight (tough job, scrubbing on my hands and knees), powerwashed everything a minimum of two times, then applied the old tried and true Thompson's clear deck sealer (took 2 gallons for a single coat). Then I crashed, hard, from the extended physical activity (I did a bunch of other stuff in the shed and basement too). A couple weeks ago my "health" came back, so I ripped off the old railing top-cap and installed new boards, it was a PITA because I have compound curves at two corner of the deck, so I had to make multiple 22 1/2 degree cuts to get the ends to line up straight. I say multiple because over the years the cornerposts have "wandered" a little bit, not straight as an arrow anymore, so to cover the tops of the posts I had to make each top cap piece individually and install each piece one at a time, walking along the perimeter of the deck and making slight angle adjustments at every joint to keep things mostly in line with each other. Then I routered a nice design along the edges of the new top-cap. Only thing left was to flip the top cap boards for the deck front steps and refinish them - I had accidentally installed them upside down when I built the deck, grain-side up, so they were splintering badly. So I got that finished, cleaned them up, and got the remaining can of deck sealer I had in my shed - it wasn't the same Thompson's product, which comes in a plastic jug, this stuff was in a paint can. I thought that a tad weird, and re-read the label (not far enough, as it turned out), and it said it was a "natural" finish, which I took to mean neutral/clear. Whoopsie....so I sprayed the top caps, rolled out the liquid with a roller and a sponge, and when I got to the end where it butts up against the house my sprayer started spluttering (it got clogged up from the new deck sealer liquid, forensics later showed) and a whole boatload of the stuff ended up on my deck doors, molding, and vinyl siding. I took a rag to wipe some of it off and it just spread it out -- uh oh! I whipped around to find that can and read the ENTIRE label this time, horrified to discover that the stuff was actually a tinted stain sealer! I *had* noticed early that the wood had changed color as I applied the stuff, but figured it was normal -- as the sealer seeps into the wood it "gets it wet" and darkens the wood until it dries clear. The next day I got out my 10 year old electric powerwasher, literally held together with wire, duct tape, and "Magic Putty", to try to powerwash the stains off the siding and deck doors. No go, didn't remove a single spot. Tried various spot removers, working my way up from gentle clothing/carpet cleaners all the way up to pure paint remover, which not only removed the stain, it also melted the vinyl....shit......by then my powerwasher was close to giving up the ghost, making "chunking" noises while idling.....and with each "chunk" the shed lights would dim (I did alot of the overall job in early evenings to avoid the heat and direct sun, ending up each night using a 1000 watt halogen work lamp and other 100 watt portable lights to see what I was doing). The shed shares a 20 amp breaker with my basement power saw (obviously not in use), so if it was making the lights flicker I figgered it was about the blow up in spectacular fashion. So I got me a shiny new and power washer over the weekend, only $99 (my old one cost over $150) and over the last two days tried again to remove the stains -- I did find some stuff in a kitchen cabinet called "Krud Kutter" that successfully removed most of the stains from the wooden door frames, but not the vinyl siding. Unfortunately, I was used to using my leaky and therefor less powerful powerwasher, and although the new one was rated for the same 1500 psi, it actually PUT OUT a 1500 psi spray -- I blew right thru the paint on parts of the alunimun door frames, and also broke thru multiple layers of paint on the wooden doors and door frame pieces to reveal a rotted door frame, starting about 4" from the deck floor. I had found one of the rotted spot while doing the other deckwork, and had previously repaired a couple other rotted spots on the doors themselves, but now I'm staring at some serious repairs -- then entire door frame needs replaced, to be honest, but that's a $4-5k job and I can't do it myselft as it involves a structural wall. So now I'm going to have to spend the next month cutting/digging out the rotted wood (haven't figured out how to do that with destroying other good parts of the frame yet) and building replacement pieces that match the scalloped (shaped) designs of some of the current pieces. What a fsking PITA job this is going to be.....at least now I have some new tools at my disposal that I didn't have the last time I repaired the doors: a "real" router, as opposed to the mini-dremel tool router I used last time, exterior wood putty the dries so solid you can nail to it, and something called "wood stabilizer", a kind of liquid glue that penetrates rotted wood and seals it from further exposure to water and rotting. So my plan is to saw/chisel/router out the bad pieces down to a level below the good surrounding wood, apply the wood stabilizer to any remaining rotted wood I don't feel like digging out, backfill the expected gaping holes with the wood putty, then use 1/2" x 2" pine to fashion the replacement parts, finally applying applying a base paint/wood sealer and repainting the entire kit'n'kaboodle. Fun fun fun! And I still need so solve the stained vinyl problem somehow...... ;-( Dammit, I wish I was back at work.....I would gladly pay a contractor the cash to replace everything in two days instead of doing all these painstaking repairs by hand......repairs not likely to last more than a few years as the rest of the door frame continues to rot around them..... From joegill at removethis Wed Sep 9 16:21:38 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my account was compromised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h88rdq$lf4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9C814D225AC88TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> Shucks. Who would have guessed that my user name and password were the >> same, anyway? I guess someone did. And google/youtube picked up on it >> and >> shut the account down right away. Crazy stuff. I wonder what tipped >> them >> off... > > You had a youtube account? Or had a google account cracked? I thought they are now one in the same? Google is moving to one id/password for all the services From joegill at removethis Wed Sep 9 16:23:26 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Sep 9 16:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: frick a duck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C806AEC3555FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's a hardware problem. I swear. Anyway, my computer is down again. > Fricking disk drive. Again. Same one that died in February. Grr. Maybe > my drive controller is frying them. What do I know? What do I care? At > least I have a reliable backup plan - I'm getting my data back. But, man, > this is bugging me. I'm thinking very seriously about getting a new > computer. I average about 4 1/2 years a machine - I think that's plenty. > Maybe get a laptop. I suppose I'll have to run the numbers to see what > the > budget looks like before I do anything crazy like get a good machine... Some items to consider (not knowing what component of the drive failed!) A) Power issues, either power supply or house power B) Strong EMI from another source C) Lighning strikes nearby.... Do you have some sort of filtering? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Sep 9 23:11:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Sep 9 23:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my account was compromised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C819DF8A3D25TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> You had a youtube account? > > > Have a youtube account. It's the easiest way to get kid movies up... I prefer to use my comcast online storage account for that kind of stuff, limits the availability of strangers to find my "stuff". From joegill at removethis Thu Sep 10 06:42:30 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Thu Sep 10 06:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: frick a duck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C81DD06682D7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> Some items to consider (not knowing what component of the drive failed!) >> A) Power issues, either power supply or house power >> B) Strong EMI from another source >> C) Lighning strikes nearby.... Do you have some sort of filtering? > > I was running off of a HUGE UPS the previous times the drive died. Not > this time. But, hey, whatever. It's slow. I'm sick of it. Time for a > new computer! Choose well on the new PC.. Component selection make all the difference... I always order mine, customized! Also, you can get great laptops that serve as desktops.... I currently am running a HDX 18 from HP. It is big... but I can still take it wilth me if i need to! You might also want to consider running a 64-bit OS Vista with LOTS of memory. Then you can run VMWare(or functional equivalent) and have multiple development / test environments! I know you said "Time for a new computer"... Timing may be critical to get the BEST value for you. I would wait until late November / early December and catch the companies either in Christmas sale mode, or 'raise cash to make the quarter look good" mode. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 12:09:25 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my account was compromised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C824C160C4D4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9C819DF8A3D25TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> Have a youtube account. It's the easiest way to get kid movies up... >> >> I prefer to use my comcast online storage account for that kind of >> stuff, limits the availability of strangers to find my "stuff". > > Well, I challenge you to find my stuff on youtube. Shoot me an email when > you find it! I guess in theory you're probably right, but in reality you need a PW to access my comcast photos/vids -- has to be tougher, right? Other pics I store publicly on Google, ones that don't have "me" in them ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 12:32:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Rotten house.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C8248A1B570Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Wait.... are you the guy on 'disability' who gets photographed by > investigators doing all this physical work and gets busted and loses > their disability income? No, I've always been (mostly) honest with them. If I'm being active I tell them what I've been doing (mowing the lawn, steam cleaning the carpets, etc), because like you say they might send out a "spy" and catch me lying about something, but more importantly it gives me more ammo for my CFS claim, since I inevitably crash, and hard. I never claimed I was an invalid or even fully disabled (well, back in the dark days I pretty much was), I claimed that I could not fulfill the mental and physical requirements of my old full time job, which is still true, unfortunately. I've said along that for one, the weight lifting requirement for my old job was 35 lbs, unlimited in range, reach, and repetition, and I still cannot do that, let alone do it multiple days in a row. > > Rut roh! We need to upgrade to 200amps, it's gonna cost about $1600 > according to the electrician who came out and replaced the MELTED main > breaker and MELTED 30amp (AC condenser) breaker along with several > others that were about to melt. We had no AC for a day and boy was that > brutal, especially at night. Half the circuit was still working, coming > out of various outlets so I had power extension cords snaking around to > keep the internet on and the fridge working. Could have been worse and > home warranty covered that cost. I'm sorry, but did you finally buy a house? I might have missed that post when my PC crashed weeks ago. Consider yourself damn lucky that you were only out of AC for a day! To line up an electrician and HVAC tech that fast around here you'd be paying double or triple the normal rates! BTW, using power with the main breaker melted in the closed position (how the hell can that even happen??!!) wasn't too smart, you could have had an electrical short somewhere else that could have burned your house down overnight. . > > ROFL, sorry, but that's just funny. > Ha. Ha. Them things are damn dangerous if you don't know how to use them properly -- they'll drill holes in the side of your house if your not careful! And it's soooo easy to rip up a deck while power washing it, the wood frays and splinters, especially if it's old like mine. > > Amen to that! That's my approach and I'm sticking to it lol. You might > want to call for quotes on replacing the whole thing, it may not cost as > much as you're imagining to rip out the door. Although as you're not > working, anything is probably too much. I know exactly what it cost, my PT just had it done to her house last year. You have to replace the door frame and doors (you buy it all in one piece), and since I have odd sized patio french doors the work would be even more difficult -- they'd have to rip out some existing wall studs to widen the opening to fit in a properly sized (bigger) door set and then hang new drywall and repaint. So that $5K is probably closer to $7k. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 12:33:34 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 10 12:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Frick two ducks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C824913280DAsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9C81DD305FBEETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> My other grandmother has gone and died, now. And the memorial service >> is Saturday AM in the middle of nowhere. Grr. Sigh. Grr. Sigh. >> > > It's not a good year for Grannies in your household obviously. Was she > sick > or just old? Which particular nowhere do you have to go to? Is it in the > NE > area? I can't believe my Gram just turned 100 in August! I thought she was *only* 96-97, LOL. From me at privacy.net Thu Sep 10 16:03:06 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Sep 10 16:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Rotten house.... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C8248A1B570Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Indigo" wrote in : news:h88uvd$ncj$1@news.spamcop.net: : : > Over the last couple months I rebuilt my multi-level wrap-around deck : > and walkway, replacing old warped/cracked/spintered floorboards, : > cleaning mold off some areas that don't get much sunlight (tough job, : > scrubbing on my hands and knees), powerwashed everything a minimum of : > two times, then applied the old tried and true Thompson's clear deck : > sealer (took 2 gallons for a single coat). Then I crashed, hard, from : > the extended physical activity (I did a bunch of other stuff in the : > shed and basement too). : > : : Wait.... are you the guy on 'disability' who gets photographed by : investigators doing all this physical work and gets busted and loses : their disability income? Disability companies will try anything to disqualify a claim. : : > by then my powerwasher was close to giving up the : > ghost, making "chunking" noises while idling.....and with each "chunk" : > the shed lights would dim (I did alot of the overall job in early : > evenings to avoid the heat and direct sun, ending up each night using : > a 1000 watt halogen work lamp and other 100 watt portable lights to : > see what I was doing). The shed shares a 20 amp breaker with my : > basement power saw (obviously not in use), so if it was making the : > lights flicker I figgered it was about the blow up in spectacular : > fashion. : : Rut roh! We need to upgrade to 200amps, it's gonna cost about $1600 : according to the electrician who came out and replaced the MELTED main : breaker and MELTED 30amp (AC condenser) breaker along with several : others that were about to melt. We had no AC for a day and boy was that : brutal, especially at night. Half the circuit was still working, coming : out of various outlets so I had power extension cords snaking around to : keep the internet on and the fridge working. Could have been worse and : home warranty covered that cost. If you just purchased the property the home inspector company may have some libility for failure to uncover/disclose the problem. Short term (and short money) you can do a load balancing game. Much as we do when we run the place on a gen set because of a power failure. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 19:03:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Sep 10 19:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Here's the answer to the healthcare problem Message-ID: and it's what I've been saying all along.....no profit in healthcare. Great article here on the 5 myths of health care: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html "The key difference is that foreign health insurance plans exist only to pay people's medical bills, not to make a profit. The United States is the only developed country that lets insurance companies profit from basic health coverage. " From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Thu Sep 10 21:31:41 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Thu Sep 10 21:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Frick two ducks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in > news:h8b9ou$3sb$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I can't believe my Gram just turned 100 in August! I thought she was >> *only* 96-97, LOL. > > Wow, that's a good age. Is she your dad's mom or your mom's? Did she get a > telegram from the Queen? lol (do they have a presidential equivalent?) Is it the jolly weatherman on the morning news? From me at privacy.net Thu Sep 10 21:54:58 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Here's the answer to the healthcare problem References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C82ACF399E9Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Heidi" wrote in : news:h8c0kr$jik$1@news.spamcop.net: : : > and it's what I've been saying all along.....no profit in healthcare. : > : > Great article here on the 5 myths of health care: : > : > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- : dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR20090 : > 82101778.html : > : > "The key difference is that foreign health insurance plans exist only : > to pay people's medical bills, not to make a profit. The United States : > is the only developed country that lets insurance companies profit : > from basic health coverage. " : > : > : > : : EXACTLY! Profit and healthcare are like oil and water. They cannot : successfully mix. The sooner these idiots realise that, the better. : Great article. : : And what the hell is all this fuss about Obama's encouragement to kids : to stay in school and do well? Methinks the republicans are clutching at : straws and all it's doing is make them look like bigger idiots than we : already thought they were. http://assets.comics.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/90000/4000/800/294835/294835.zoom.gif From me at privacy.net Thu Sep 10 22:02:36 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: frick a duck References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C82A907C76ABsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : Charles wrote in : news:Xns9C826D53E78ECTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: : : : > I've had Macs. Quite a few. But you just can't get the performance to : > price ratio out of one, you know? : > : : Indeed! They're pretty and if you're a graphics designer then probably your : best bet but otherwise... not for me. We've had both in our studio and if a Mac is not available you'd think the world was ending without the Jubilee option. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 22:43:33 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Rotten house.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C82AAD03A24Esylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > I don't doubt it. I could do with one to power wash the paving at the > side of the house which was spray painted by vandals when the house was > in foreclosure. Power washer alone probably won't do it unless you remove the concrete in the process (not a good idea!). Get some paint solvent/remover, let it sit on the graffiti for a while, then power wash. I had a recent paint stain on my driveway from where "Ms. Utilities" sprayed orange paint to locate underground cables so my neighbor could get FIOS service, and those markings wouldn't come off with just the power washer, it had penetrated the porous concrete, so I had to use paint remover first to loosen it up (break the chemical bonds between the concrete and the paint). From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 10 22:47:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Frick two ducks In-Reply-To: References: