From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 1 21:05:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 1 21:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! Message-ID: Had 14 updates to install, including one for MS Silverlight (I don't even know what that app does!), that failed, and I got stuck in a reboot mode where the PC tried to load the new config and reboot, but the new config wouldn't "take". I left it alone all night long last night hoping it would somehow magically cure itself, but nope, still stuck in the loop when I got up today. Luckily, this happened to me before, so I eventually figured out how to use my ISO image disk of the Vista OS to get to a cmd prompt and delete the problem causing files and reg entries (I had printed out 3 different solutions on how to escape from the reboot loop the last time it happened). My PC was down for almost 24 hours before I managed to fix it. I swear, I'm just about ready to set Windows Update to "NEVER!!!!!" because I'm so pissed off about these failed updates creating such havoc. From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Nov 1 22:32:00 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Nov 1 22:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 2 days 1 hour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Remaining to copy these files. Cancel? Trying to download the internet to your A: drive again? From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Nov 1 22:33:03 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Nov 1 22:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Had 14 updates to install, including one for MS Silverlight (I don't > even know what that app does!), that failed, and I got stuck in a reboot > mode where the PC tried to load the new config and reboot, but the new > config wouldn't "take". I left it alone all night long last night hoping > it would somehow magically cure itself, but nope, still stuck in the > loop when I got up today. > > Luckily, this happened to me before, so I eventually figured out how to > use my ISO image disk of the Vista OS to get to a cmd prompt and delete > the problem causing files and reg entries (I had printed out 3 different > solutions on how to escape from the reboot loop the last time it > happened). My PC was down for almost 24 hours before I managed to fix > it. I swear, I'm just about ready to set Windows Update to "NEVER!!!!!" > because I'm so pissed off about these failed updates creating such havoc. Silverlight is a Microsoft Media player. I think I installed it myself back during the last Olympic games to watch the live competitions. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 14:45:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: crazy things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hcggo5$959$2@news.spamcop.net... > > Keep in mind that, in the begining, you did not want to hear what others > who > had BTDT were saying. > That's because "footling breech birth babies" typically have a personality trait of stubborness, or rather an atitude of "I'll do things *my* way, thank you very much". In some ways, that innate sense has served me well, especially progressing my career, the "I'll do it myself because I can do it better than anyone else" attitude, which gave me a huge workload and the respect and gratitude of my supervisors, but on the other side it caused me to make a big design mistake on one device back in 2004 because I thought I knew better and wouldn't listen to other's advice that my design was flawed. Luckily, I learned from that disaster and have greatly tempered my "my way or the highway" attitude, especially because my perfect work track record to that point in time was shattered in the worst possible manner. Hard way to learn you needed to change your approach to life, though......a while back I found a tiny copy of a very cool Zen Buddhist poem in my acupuncturist's office, a few of the paragraphs summarizes the proper "way" of living very well: If you want to realize the truth, then hold no opinions for or against anything. To set up what you like against what you dislike is the disease of the mind. The Way is perfect like vast space where nothing is lacking and nothing is in excess. Indeed, it is due to our choosing to accept or reject that we do not see the true nature of things Obey the nature of things* and you will walk freely and undisturbed. When thought is in bondage the truth is hidden, for everything is murky and unclear. Rest and unrest derive from illusion; with enlightenment there is no liking and disliking. Gain and loss, right and wrong; such thoughts must finally be abolished at once. * Another translation of the original poem I found online had a line that offered a very unique viewpoint on life: "Nature has no goals". What that means, for instance, is that animals have no "goals" or "future". They live every day one at a time, without any preconceptions or worries of what they must do today, tomorrow, or next week. Since I read that poem several months ago, I've taken some of the advice to heart and have actually changed my approach to life, giving me great relief from some stresses. I no longer constantly worry about when/if/why my LTD benefits will cease to be paid, I will just deal with the matter when it happens. Hopefully my payments will stop because I'm back to work -- I'm starting the second stage of my new Lyme treatment next week (the Marshall Protocol) and will slowly be adding 3 new (to me) antibiotics to my daily drug/supplement regimen. They are anti-viral and anti-bacterial drugs that specifically attack the bugs that invade individual cells, like we believe has occurred to me -- it's the 3rd stage of Lyme infection, where the buggers hide from your immune system within your cells and destroy your normal cellular functions, causing CFS and fibromylagia, my biggest remaining health problems (besides my neck issues). Most antibiotics cannot penetrate the cell wall, they only kill bugs circulating in your bloodstream, so they are ineffective at treating this kind of infection. It's going to be a rough next 6-9 months for me, the herxheimer reactions from these drugs are pretty horrendous from what I've read online. So if I almost or completely disappear from this NG in the next couple months, you'll know why! But I'm hoping that since I've been on a modified Stage One of the Protocol for about 5-6 months, a more powerful version of the normal Stage One regimen, I've been able to prepare my body for Stage 2 better than the average person, and maybe the herxing won't be as bad for me. In other words, I've been taking some natural anti-bacterial/anti-fungal supplements in advance of Stage 2 for a while, so with any luck I've been able to weaken the cellular infections already. From the near constant very mild herx reactions I've been feeling since I started the supplements, I believe that they've been doing something good, else I've been suffering needlessly, but I doubt that's the case. When I took a two week break from those supplements last month my energy levels and general health improved a lot, which to me indicates that indeed I was having mild or moderate herx reactions on a near daily basis, and that can only happen if you're constantly killing off some bugs in your body. Wish me luck, I'm going to need all the help I can get..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 15:05:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hcljtf$4gr$3@news.spamcop.net... > > Silverlight is a Microsoft Media player. I think I installed it myself > back during the last Olympic games to watch the live competitions. I just googled it, and it's actually MS's version of Flash, and it doesn't work in Firefox (I tried going to a Silverlight demo site and nothing showed up on my screen). I'm going to trash it, that'll be at least one MS app that won't require constant updating and causing potential disasters like what happened over the weekend. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 15:13:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hcne3c$prn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I just googled it, and it's actually MS's version of Flash, and it doesn't > work in Firefox (I tried going to a Silverlight demo site and nothing > showed up on my screen). I'm going to trash it, that'll be at least one MS > app that won't require constant updating and causing potential disasters > like what happened over the weekend. AHA! I just started Revo Uninstaller to rip Silverlight from my PC, and the MSI uninstaller package could not be found, meaning it was a corrupt installatation. No worries though, Revo's app wipes every trace of an app from your system, including all reg entries. Be gone, ye crappy MS garbage! (that's a bit redundant, ain't it? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 15:16:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hcneij$q1i$1@news.spamcop.net... Goodness gracious, Silverlight had a whopping 1525 reg file entries! Damn, do I love Revo Uninstaller! From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Nov 2 19:19:57 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Nov 2 19:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] mmmm..... Message-ID: Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno burger chaser. This is bliss. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 21:17:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 21:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: crazy things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CB79C2F1938CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> That's because "footling breech birth babies" typically have a >> personality trait of stubborness > > Wha? The Grade 5 Syndrome: The Highly Hypnotizable Person Dr. Herbert Spiegel, Int. J. Hypnosis, Vol. 22 No. 4 October 1974 It is these stereotypes that I believe are the same for persons born breech, i.e., persons born breech are highly hypnotizable: GRADE 5's make up 5% of the population; have excellent memory; role confusion (?), stubborn personality core yet subject to accept logical, rational new dogmas and premises; likes to experience new opportunities, lives wholly in the present, trusting, demanding, almost as if naive and easy to take advantage of; deep capacity for concentration; blah blah blah. Pure opinion, but he's not the only one who believes that breech babies are innately different from normally delivered babies because of the trauma suffered by the fetus during birth.......probably falls into the same arena as palm reading and astrology, but it's still kinda fun, ain't it? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 2 23:08:57 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 2 23:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno > burger chaser. This is bliss. Can you give me a calory count on that? Compare to a half dozen brewski/s - not the lite ones. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Nov 3 01:27:51 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Nov 3 01:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Borgholio wrote: >> Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno >> burger chaser. This is bliss. > > Can you give me a calory count on that? Bacon Burger = 960 Jalepeno Burger = 720 Total = 1680 > > Compare to a half dozen brewski/s - not the lite ones. > Guinness Extra Stout = 155 per beer 6-pack = 930 From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 3 13:53:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 3 13:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hcoack$46s$1@news.spamcop.net... > Borgholio wrote: >> Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno >> burger chaser. This is bliss. > > Can you give me a calory count on that? I can guess......coincidentally, at nearly the same time I stopped at my local Wendy's after getting a deep tissue massage intending on getting a grilled chicken ceasar salad. But for some reason my body was craving red meat, and as I looked over the big posters I spied a double decker/double cheese/double bacon "Baconator" sandwhich, a whopping 1/2 lb of beef plus. I put on 2 lbs since yesterday morning -- how many calories does it take to make a lb of fat? From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 3 14:28:13 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 3 14:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Borgholio wrote: >>> Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno >>> burger chaser. This is bliss. >> >> Can you give me a calory count on that? > > I can guess......coincidentally, at nearly the same time I stopped at my > local Wendy's after getting a deep tissue massage intending on getting a > grilled chicken ceasar salad. But for some reason my body was craving > red meat, and as I looked over the big posters I spied a double > decker/double cheese/double bacon "Baconator" sandwhich, a whopping 1/2 > lb of beef plus. I put on 2 lbs since yesterday morning -- how many > calories does it take to make a lb of fat? First of all, you didn't (likely) put on 2# of fat since yesterday. Your weighing scales are going to show variable results over short intervals for a variety of (potential) reasons: -1- you aren't weighing yourself nude, but with variable clothes and shoes -2- your average scales aren't very accurate/precise or precisely reproducible in their results -3- any time you weigh your body, you are weighing variable amounts of contents in both the upper and lower intestinal tract, bladder, interstitial spaces, blood and lymph volumes, much of which is a reflection of the state of hydration of your body as a whole and the individual organs as parts of that. That being said, a pound of fat is about 3500 calories. Then you should consider how many calories you consume in a day or a fortnight and how many calories you burn in a day or a fortnight. There is a psychological problem with getting on the scales everyday, because that frequently gives you the wrong kind of feedback. What if you are very very good about your eating habits and your activity habits today and the output of your scales says a higher number? Bad feedback because you feel punished in spite of being good. It would be better if you were 'scoring' yourself on your activities and your consumptions and rewarding yourself for being good, rather than bei ng punished for being good. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 3 14:39:33 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Nov 3 14:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hcpu6r$n79$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Mike Easter" wrote in message : news:hcoack$46s$1@news.spamcop.net... : > Borgholio wrote: : >> Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno : >> burger chaser. This is bliss. : > : > Can you give me a calory count on that? : : I can guess......coincidentally, at nearly the same time I stopped at my : local Wendy's after getting a deep tissue massage intending on getting a : grilled chicken ceasar salad. But for some reason my body was craving red : meat, and as I looked over the big posters I spied a double decker/double : cheese/double bacon "Baconator" sandwhich, a whopping 1/2 lb of beef plus. I : put on 2 lbs since yesterday morning -- how many calories does it take to : make a lb of fat? Who says you can't create mass from nothing? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 3 17:36:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 3 17:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hcq085$o2c$1@news.spamcop.net... > First of all, you didn't (likely) put on 2# of fat since yesterday. I know, I was jesting.....some of the extra weight was water. I was very dehydrated over the weekend because I sweated so much Friday night mowing my yard (used the bagger to pick up mulched leaves/grass, took me over an hour and about 20 trips up the hill into the woods behind my house to empty the bag of debris). > Your weighing scales are going to show variable results over short > intervals for a variety of (potential) reasons: -1- you aren't weighing > yourself nude, but with variable clothes and shoes When I weigh myself it's always the first thing in the morning (or whenever I get out of bed), and always nude. -2- your average > scales aren't very accurate/precise or precisely reproducible in their > results I have an expensive digital scale that reads down to the 10ths of a lb. I'm not real sure about the decimal place accuracy, but I've checked the other side of the decimal point with a couple of known weights and I know it's pretty accurate. However, I used relatively low weights, like a gallon(s) of water, and strain gauges (what's inside the scale) have a calibration curve, meaning they lose accuracy at the extreme highs and lows of it's measurement range. I don't know how wide the "sweet spot" is or where, but I'd guess that the designers would target it to be most accurate at the average American's weight, probably somewhere between 135 - 175 lbs (a WAG). -3- any time you weigh your body, you are weighing variable > amounts of contents in both the upper and lower intestinal tract, > bladder, interstitial spaces, blood and lymph volumes, much of which is > a reflection of the state of hydration of your body as a whole and the > individual organs as parts of that. The hydration part I know very well. While I was on higher levels of cortisone, my face and abdomen were always "puffy" from retained water. When I dropped down to 10 mg/day, I lost about 8 lbs of water in the next two weeks, the visible changes to my body were amazing. The other part of your equation, the contents of the small intestines and colon, have always confused me. Say you weigh yourself first thing in the morning, the scale reads 200 lb. Then you take a large dump, as in the bowl of the toilet is half filled. You then weigh yourself again, and the reading is identical! How is this possible? Just based on the volume of what you just excreted, if you assumed it had the same density of water, would HAVE to weigh at least a lb or two, right? But somehow it doesn't. The only thing I can think of to explain this unusual discrepancy is that I am grossly overestimating the mass/density of the stools. Got any other explanation? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 3 17:39:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 3 17:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CB87FC76500Fsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > LOL@Baconator. That's the real name for it! Check out your local Wendy's if you don't believe me. > > I assume you enjoyed it so don't stress what the scales are saying for > this > rare treat. > I'm not stressing out about it, my body was telling me I needed protein/red meat, which I don't consume very often these days, so I fulfilled it's desires ;-) I was actually surprised at how tasty it was, I normally hate Wendy's burgers, they're too bland (not enough salt or fat?). From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 3 17:48:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 3 17:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CB87EE6CA67Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hcneij$q1i$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> AHA! I just started Revo Uninstaller to rip Silverlight from my PC, >> and the MSI uninstaller package could not be found, meaning it was a >> corrupt installatation. No worries though, Revo's app wipes every >> trace of an app from your system, including all reg entries. Be gone, >> ye crappy MS garbage! (that's a bit redundant, ain't it? ;-) >> >> > > Does that work on Norton's too? On Norton's what? You mean the way Norton weasels it's way into your OS so that you can't totally delete all of it's components no matter how hard you try? If that's what you mean, Revo's product would do the job, I'm pretty certain. I've previously deleted some pretty insiduous apps with Revo, and subsequent reg file searches using another great free app called "RegScanner" showed absolutely no debris from the total uninstall job that Revo did. You should download both and try them out, I only use Revo's uninstaller these days since most apps "built in" uninstallers do such a lousy job. From mikeyhsd at lamparty.net Tue Nov 3 19:09:54 2009 From: mikeyhsd at lamparty.net (mikeyhsd) Date: Tue Nov 3 19:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: so apparently it is a firefox problem and not a windows one. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net "Indigo" wrote in message news:hcne3c$prn$1@news.spa= mcop.net... "Borgholio" wrote in message = news:hcljtf$4gr$3@news.spamcop.net... > > Silverlight is a Microsoft Media player. I think I installed it myself = > back during the last Olympic games to watch the live competitions. I just googled it, and it's actually MS's version of Flash, and it doesn'= t = work in Firefox (I tried going to a Silverlight demo site and nothing sho= wed = up on my screen). I'm going to trash it, that'll be at least one MS app t= hat = won't require constant updating and causing potential disasters like what = happened over the weekend. = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeta.cesmail.net/pipermail/scsocial/attachments/20091103/8e97e7= 80/attachment-0001.htm From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 3 22:39:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 3 22:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fscking WinBloze update did it to me AGAIN! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CB8B9EEA17ABsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > hubby uses regscanner, I know that. he could probably get rid of norton > for > me (it just sits on the computer unused and undeletable) but i never heard > of this Revo thing so i'll check it out. is it shareware or what? Revo Uninstaller V 1.83, freeware available from all the usual places. Try CNET.com or just google for it. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Nov 3 23:44:40 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Nov 3 23:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: mmmm..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:hcnsva$v0f$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Carl's Jr Double Western Bacon burger, washed down with a Jalepeno >> burger chaser. This is bliss. >> > > I'm sorry what? you ate TWO (3) burgers, one after the other?! How fat are > you trying to get exactly? lol Fat enough to go on disability. :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 4 10:12:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 4 10:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CB8A15823068TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> It's a fact of life that stuff like >> this is going to get to the consumer in a different way. >> > > Well, right. Just like the music I'm getting online. But, hey, while > it's > life... It does suck for the local economy. Sort of, I guess. Not only; Drop a kindle in a puddle, pool, bath, beach sand, it's toast, Paperback books survive sand and are only a $10-20 loss compared to $250. Even a wet book can often still be read, think of that when you're on a bicycling, or hiking /camping holiday. Head out for a day watching scenery relaxing and reading, how many hours do you have? When the better won;t recharge anymore can it even be economically replaced? Typical phone life is now 1-2 years, I doubt even a well cared for kindle will , on average, exceed that. Reading at the beach and sun glare? Which is easier making and searching bookmarks or sticking your pinkie of any bit of paper/match/cigarette in a page you need to revisit a lot? Take it to the beach, go for a swim, lay a paperback face down open on the current page on your towel, and lay a kindle beside it. Come back in 1/2 an hour, which one is still there? Which one can you pass on to friends , relations after you've read the book? Kindling... Pah!! Try and light a fire in anemergency with pages of your kindle. Some technology is worthwhile, some other technology is basically shite. Kindling is a way of enforcing DRM on the printed word. That's what it's for. From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 4 10:20:08 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 4 10:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 40 sucks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CB8A0CF63EC7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! : : > What do you mean, your house isn't going to be ready by Christmas? It : > seems awfully close now, only what, 7 weeks? : : That house is never going to be ready, eh? We backed out of it all. Yes, : we're down some cash. Who cares? It's only money! Could be money well spent. A good while back we walked on a deal and left $100K+ on the table. Really hurt at the time but the folk that picked up the contact had it so bad they went out of business and lost everything. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 4 14:54:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 4 14:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CB96C85FAF88sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Bar0" wrote in news:hcs5k7$hff$1@news.spamcop.net: > ..... > > good points all. and among some of the reasons i wouldn't buy one. but > how many books could you carry on a trip, realistically? with the kindle > it's practically endless. and you can read it in the dark without the > need of any other light source. lol@lighting a fire with it. if you were > to let it dry out after immersion, it might survive but it would depend > on whether it was on at the time and if it was seawater or fresh, among > other things. being honest, books often don't weather such treatment too > well either! how likely are you to be unable to find a light source? and if you can't how likely is it you can find a charging outlet? True water hurts books, but if you're desperate they are still usable, but probably not good enough to give away. And how long are your trips? I mean how many books do you need along? > > my biggest reason for staying with printed books is the feel of the > pages and the smell of the book, especially if it's a very old or very > new book It's just more convenient, and if its a good title I can display it on the bookshelf and get my friends or loved ones to read it. I'm not just renting the words. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Nov 4 15:09:52 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Nov 4 15:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > my biggest reason for staying with printed books is the feel of the > pages and the smell of the book, especially if it's a very old or very > new book > > I feel there are advantages to both digital and paper books, so it really depends on what you want to do with it. Digital is more convenient, but paper does indeed feel better. Every medium has certain advantages that never go away so it's just something that has to change with the times. For instance, writing in stone tablets still has an advantage to this day...stone writing can last for thousands of years. Paper books can't last that long except under perfect conditions, and digital media such as DVDs only last a century or so. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 4 15:52:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 4 15:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hcsn29$n9q$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> >> my biggest reason for staying with printed books is the feel of the pages >> and the smell of the book, especially if it's a very old or very new book >> >> > > I feel there are advantages to both digital and paper books, so it really > depends on what you want to do with it. Digital is more convenient, but > paper does indeed feel better. > > Every medium has certain advantages that never go away so it's just > something that has to change with the times. For instance, writing in > stone tablets still has an advantage to this day...stone writing can last > for thousands of years. Paper books can't last that long except under > perfect conditions, and digital media such as DVDs only last a century or > so. And a book on a kindle only as long as it takes to read, unless you read few books. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 4 16:16:48 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 4 16:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > good points all. and among some of the reasons i wouldn't buy one. but > how many books could you carry on a trip, realistically? How many books could you read on a trip, realistically? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." (Dan Barker, former preacher, musician, b. 1949) From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 4 16:19:06 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 4 16:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: LOL@Google today References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.google.com/ I'll see your Big Bird and raise you Wallace and Gromit: -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." (Dan Barker, former preacher, musician, b. 1949) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 4 21:48:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 4 21:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hcsn29$n9q$1@news.spamcop.net... and digital media such as DVDs only last a century or so. >From what I've read most digital media degrade WAY faster than that....maybe if you made a DVD and never again watched it, kept it stored in controlled temp/humidity conditions, it might make it to the century mark. One thing you need to keep in mind with any kind of plastic-based media is that the compounds in the material are slowly and inevitably going to evaporate, and there's nothing you can do to prevent it -- not even a vacuum sealed pressure wrap can stop it because the partial pressures of the storage media will always want to come to equilibrium with the environment, and nothing can contain that pressure diffential (not even metal). That's one of the reasons that old movie reels stored in the Smithsonian were copied and stored, never to be touched again...some of the oldest ones would crumble in your hands if you touched them. From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 4 21:54:18 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 4 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: bbc news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. anyone else able to get > there? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/ No, they seem to have comprehensively fallen off the perch. nslookup fails, domain dossier says "what?" - bbc.co.uk as well as the news subdomain. Litterals fail (http://212.58.224.138 and http://212.58.226.138). But now http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ says "it's just you" and lo, it is all back again. Just a glitch. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Nov 4 21:57:04 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hcsn29$n9q$1@news.spamcop.net... > and digital media such as DVDs only last a century or so. > > From what I've read most digital media degrade WAY faster than > that....maybe if you made a DVD and never again watched it, kept it > stored in controlled temp/humidity conditions, it might make it to the > century mark. One thing you need to keep in mind with any kind of > plastic-based media is that the compounds in the material are slowly and > inevitably going to evaporate, and there's nothing you can do to prevent > it -- not even a vacuum sealed pressure wrap can stop it because the > partial pressures of the storage media will always want to come to > equilibrium with the environment, and nothing can contain that pressure > diffential (not even metal). That's one of the reasons that old movie > reels stored in the Smithsonian were copied and stored, never to be > touched again...some of the oldest ones would crumble in your hands if > you touched them. Thx for making my point. :) I wonder if it'd be possible to engrave binary code on a stone tablet that could be read by computers at a later date...say after a planetary catastrophe. From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 4 23:52:13 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 4 23:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Love Them Message-ID: Our foster, adopted and natural grand kids have been involved in counseling sessions for kids in foster/adoptive families to teach them life skills i.e. how best to deal with the unique circumstances of their lives. Just this evening we attended a parents/grand patents meeting and were gifted with what our kids shared with their fellows in the discussions. The subject on the table for a recent session was how to deal with grand parents and parents when they are facing problems of aging or major illness. The general discussion was about the physical, medical and legal needs and how best to plan for and satisfy these needs. Typically text book Q&A responses. One of our grand kids stopped the entire discussion cold with one simple phase "love them" followed by an expansion on how the rest of what they were talking about automatically followed. Some of which included making hard decisions that seem mean but in the long run were in the best interest of those they loved. (clear shoe/other foot scenario) Other comments from the group in general were toward finding things the old folks liked to do and make them happen. One made a point of doing those things now before they became hard to manage. The lead counselor said that in 20 years she have been in the game our kids were the first to express that world view. As for me I was more impressed with the willingness of the entire group to get off the formula responses and to move to a plan that involved a do it now 'just for fun'. Seems Me! Me! Me! is no longer the mantra. From user at domain.invalid Thu Nov 5 03:55:39 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Nov 5 04:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: bbc news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > hum, i thought it was back but it's not, despite what the 'just you' site > says. it's getting a dns but nothing is coming thru Looks like they changed the address of the server - probably just a little slow to propagate. Try going through to the news link from the homepage www.bbc.co.uk (unchanged) if it persists - but it should be okay by now. Or try a literal - http://212.58.226.140/ or http://212.58.226.75/ No idea what the problem might have been - the "beeb" themselves say: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/network_problem.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/06/network_problem.html (X-ref) Well, not much to see there if you still can't get through but ... But that's just what *they* say. I'm sure there are a plethora of plausible conspiracy theories to explain it 'better'. (o: From user at domain.invalid Thu Nov 5 22:18:56 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Nov 5 22:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: bbc news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Farelf wrote in > news:hcu3u9$8ij$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> But that's just what *they* say. I'm sure there are a plethora of >> plausible conspiracy theories to explain it 'better'. (o: >> > > It was working this morning, so whatever it was, they (or whoever) sorted > it out. Those links you provided are from June. Good heavens, no alternative to conspiracy theory then. Probably just a minor test-run for the *real* chaos about to engulf us. Probably in 2012 (or 1434 AH). I would run to the hills except I'm already there. But I could flee higher. :) But seriously, thanks I hadn't noticed I was looking at old reports - sort of makes the point that these things happen from time to time - and we know from experience that recovery is generally patchy at first. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 23:04:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 5 23:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CB9C5CB87B90sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >>> > > i wonder what the answer is for long term storage of data. it's not like > tons of rosetta stones can be carved out... You have to keep copying the data to the newest technology, else you risk not being able to access it in 15-20 years. Try finding a PC that can read a 3.5 or 5.5 floppy disk these days! From me at privacy.net Fri Nov 6 11:44:35 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Nov 6 11:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 16:24:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Nov 6 16:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd1jpo$hq1$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ > > > > If you don't have it already would you want your fingerprint in a mineable database? Oh, yeah if you've been a saint all your life and continue as one, there's nothing to worry about, right? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 16:26:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Nov 6 16:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd078e$26s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9CB9C5CB87B90sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >>>> >> >> i wonder what the answer is for long term storage of data. it's not like >> tons of rosetta stones can be carved out... > > You have to keep copying the data to the newest technology, else you risk > not being able to access it in 15-20 years. Try finding a PC that can read > a 3.5 or 5.5 floppy disk these days! 3.5 no problem, any data on a 5.5 should be immediately shredded and discarded. From me at privacy.net Fri Nov 6 16:45:20 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Nov 6 16:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:hd246o$no7$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:hd1jpo$hq1$1@news.spamcop.net... : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ : > : : If you don't have it already would you want your fingerprint in a mineable : database? Finger and foot prints have long been in all sorts of data bases. : Oh, yeah if you've been a saint all your life and continue as one, there's : nothing to worry about, right? I've been known to walk on water. Some jobs you have to go with the program or not take the job. You're not forced to take the job and it's your choice. I don't drink and I don't often take even legal drugs but still have to pee in a cup for various projects. some require a lock of hair but that's getting harder and harder to come by. Might mention that even some very fundamental religious sects required some serious validation including finger prints (mark of the beast not withstanding) Some consider RFID in credit cards and pass ports the same way. Given that it's hard to go cash only and there is no way legally in or out of the country without RFID in your pass port... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 17:06:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Nov 6 17:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd25de$o57$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:hd246o$no7$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:hd1jpo$hq1$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ > : > > : > : If you don't have it already would you want your fingerprint in a > mineable > : database? > > Finger and foot prints have long been in all sorts of data bases. > > : Oh, yeah if you've been a saint all your life and continue as one, > there's > : nothing to worry about, right? > > I've been known to walk on water. > > Some jobs you have to go with the program or not take the job. You're not > forced to take the job and it's your choice. I don't drink and I don't > often take even legal drugs but still have to pee in a cup for various > projects. some require a lock of hair but that's getting harder and > harder > to come by. It's pubes nowadays. And if an individual can do the job well, it's no ones business what's in their hair. And no, I doubt thare is anythig in my hair that could cause alarm, but I also know labs screw up 5 to 20% of the time. > > Might mention that even some very fundamental religious sects required > some > serious validation including finger prints (mark of the beast not > withstanding) Some consider RFID in credit cards and pass ports the same > way. Given that it's hard to go cash only and there is no way legally > in > or out of the country without RFID in your pass port... That latter is not true, I don't yet have RFID, neither do my children. They do come and go. By air yet. I have a philosophical problem with Identity cards or their proxies. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 19:51:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 19:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBA8CABE065sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > You can get USB floppy 3.5" drives, we have one. Now a 5.5" one yeah, > that'd be a bit more difficult although not impossible. We still have an > old computer with such a drive in it somewhere, I expect it could be > hooked > up somehow. IF you could find any disks that actually had any usable data > on them of course lol. What did those old things hold anyway, like 56k or > something? I think the old 5.5's held something like 356 kb of data, then newer "double layer" technology doubled the storage volume to 712 kb. What a miracle it was when the 3.5's came out with a then massive 1.2 MB of capacity! ;-) The 3.5 technology peaked with an optical drive capable of holding 100 MB of data, my old PC in the basement has one, but I forget the exact name of the drive type. > > How long would an engraving on glass last, if kept in a vacuum sealed > environment? Any idea? Glass would not be a good idea, it's actually a kind of very dense liquid - I know someone will jump to argue the scientific points of calling glass a liquid, but in layman's terms that's exactly how it behaves - just think of the leaded glass windows in very old houses that are all distorted from the sagging glass. IIRC, one of the probes we sent into deep space within the last few years had data etched into some kind of metallic disk, but I can't remember the material -- might have been beryllium, I know it was some kind of an exotic metal or metallic matrix. I think a high strength ceramic would be a good canidate for terrestrial apps, but it's too brittle to survive a space launch without a lot of expensive cushioning. So in esscence, we're back to stone tablets ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 19:56:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 20:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd2gbe$s5v$1@news.spamcop.net... The > 3.5 technology peaked with an optical drive capable of holding 100 MB of > data, my old PC in the basement has one, but I forget the exact name of > the drive type. Just remembered....it was an "LS-120" drive, so it actually held 120 MB, not 100, but like I mentioned, it was optical, not magnetic like older floppy disks. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Nov 6 20:53:45 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Nov 6 20:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9CBBA8CABE065sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> You can get USB floppy 3.5" drives, we have one. Now a 5.5" one yeah, >> that'd be a bit more difficult although not impossible. We still have an >> old computer with such a drive in it somewhere, I expect it could be >> hooked >> up somehow. IF you could find any disks that actually had any usable data >> on them of course lol. What did those old things hold anyway, like 56k or >> something? > > I think the old 5.5's held something like 356 kb of data, then newer > "double layer" technology doubled the storage volume to 712 kb. What a > miracle it was when the 3.5's came out with a then massive 1.2 MB of > capacity! ;-) The 3.5 technology peaked with an optical drive capable of > holding 100 MB of data, my old PC in the basement has one, but I forget > the exact name of the drive type. > Actually 5.25s started off with 360kb which increased to 1.2mb with double-side / double density. 3.5s started off with 360 as well but eventually went up to 2.8mb. Ahh those were the days... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:04:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 22:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBB5338CD79sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > It's funny to think that if something happened tomorrow, most traces of > our heritage would be wiped out and anyone coming here in say 10k years > would find the rosetta stone and other such artifacts and think we > weren't very advanced at all. > Especially if the "funny thing to happen" was multiple atmospheric nuclear bomb detonations.....the EMP waves would destroy damn near every electronic storage media in the world, although it would spare optical disks like DVDs and CDs. But most of the world's business backups are made on either magnetic tape or servers in digital (magnetic) form, so they'd all be gone. You'd still be able to play your LPs though, if you could find an electrical power source ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:06:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBB551C1B57sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hd2gkp$s6j$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Just remembered....it was an "LS-120" drive, so it actually held 120 >> MB, not 100, but like I mentioned, it was optical, not magnetic like >> older floppy disks. >> >> > > and now we have these little thumb drives that hold gigabytes.... I know, I still find thumbdrives to be unbelievable as far as storage capacity in such a small package.....I even own a thumb drive media player that holds 1 GB of music, all you need to do is plug in a set of headphones and you're good to go. No playlists or anything, but still! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:08:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hd2jut$nnj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Actually 5.25s started off with 360kb which increased to 1.2mb with > double-side / double density. 3.5s started off with 360 as well but > eventually went up to 2.8mb. Ahh those were the days... Hmmmm....don't remember 3.5" 2.8MB floppies....either we skipped over that era with the LS-120 drives at work or someone's memory is flawed...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:17:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 6 22:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBA85368BD1sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Frog Prince" wrote in >> It hasn't come to that yet, though no doubt it will. They all now have > to be biometric but they don't all have the chip in them (mine does and > I carry it in a tin foil wallet) Goes with your hat? :D From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:32:20 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 22:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... Message-ID: I bought a small 12 volt wet/dry vac the other day that was built to be used in your car for $9.99 at CVS. I've always needed an "in between" wet vac for my kitchen/living room for liquid spills, and it was too big of a hassle to either bring up my huge shop vac from the basement or to go out to the shed and get the usually filthy smaller shop vac out of the shed. So I just bought a 4 amp 120 VAC-12 VDC converter online for $30! I could probably have bought a regular small 120 VAC wet/dry vac for the same combined price (or lower), but what's done is done.....plus, I now have a wet vac for cleaning up spills in the car, although I already carry a 12 V small hand vac in the trunk for cleaning up regular dirt from the carpet. I think the new vac will reside in the kitchen except for special car disasters, so the existing car vac will remain in the trunk. I also found an incredible deal on a 7" digitial LCD TV for my kitchen, it's an Axion portable LCD TV with ATSC/DTSC tuners, 480 DPI widescreen HDTV, built in extendable antenna, a detachable second antenna, 12 VDC and 120 VAC adapters, 2 hour battery life, and it has co-ax cable inputs along with headphone and A/V outputs, all for the amazing one time price of $89 from Target w/free shipping! Just what I need during football season, where going into the kitchen and getting something to eat or drink requires extreme speed and timing to get back to the couch without missing anything ;-) Now I just have to figure out how I'm going to mount it to the underside of my kitchen cabinets when I get it, I don't have any counterspace to put it on. Plus, I want to be able to mostly hide the co-ax cable I'll be hooking it up to -- the indoor antenna reception for these portable TVs is iffy at best, and they can't get channels like ESPN or Speedvision without the cable hookup. Guess it's finally time to drop my great little 2.5" Casio analog portable TV into the garbage.....I can't bear to throw it out, but there's no reasonable way to make it functional in this all digital TV age, thanks to fscking Congress and the greedy cable companies. My 6" B&W portable TV is also destined for the landfill....man, I've had that thing for over 12 years! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 22:56:33 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 23:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] One more piece of info.... Message-ID: Yesterday I was getting my weekly PT at my therapist's house, and she apologized for how cold it was on the first level of her 3 floor townhouse. It turns out that the day before one of her carbon monoxide alarms went off (she has them on all 3 floors), but after she replaced the batteries it quit barking. She called her boyfriend to discuss it, and he told her to call the local utility and the fire dept. immedieatly. Half an hour later they both showed up at the same time, and the FD took their much more sensitive CO detector into her house. When the captain got to the second floor, he ordered everyone out of the house, like right this instant -- he didn't even get to measure the CO level on the third floor where her bedroom was located. The readings he got on the second floor were around 53 ppb (ppm?), and the fatal level for CO is only 34! She was damn lucky that her house was so leaky -- she's slowly starting to replace all of her windows because they leak so badly, but they likely kept her alive while she was asleep. Without those air leaks feeding fresh air into the house, she would have died for sure. So now her gas is turned off until the utility co. can come out next week and repair her gas furnace, which was not only leaking CO from a bad exhaust vent but also leaking gas from a bad feed joint! So no hot water and no heat for her for about 10 days....luckily she has a b/f she can stay with in the meantime overnight. So that got me to thinking....I don't have a CO monitor in my house......I *should* have a radon monitor in the basement because my development is built right over a crack in the base rock and several of my old neighbors had to install ventilation kits in their basement before they could sell their houses. I spend a limited amount of time down there (it's unfinished), so I don't really worry about the radon level since it's heavier than air and doesn't come upstairs. But my PT's close call with CO really scared the crap out of me, so last night while online I bought a combined CO/NG/Fire detector to install in my bedroom for only $35, which IMHO is the most dangerous place to become overwhelmed with CO -- you fall asleep and never wake up. She's a "lymie" too, and some of her sleep issues prior to discovering the CO leak matched mine exactly.....can't really say that they're caused for the same reason, but it never hurts to find out! So if you have a NG powered water heater or furnace, please do yourself and your family a potentially lifesaving favor and buy some CO monitors! I recommend 120 VAC with 9 V battery backup units, which is what I bought. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Nov 6 23:51:32 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Nov 6 23:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > Try finding a PC that can read a > 3.5 or 5.5 floppy disk these days! The PC on my desk can read 3.5" floppies. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Nov 6 23:58:16 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Nov 7 00:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > Some jobs you have to go with the program or not take the job. You're not > forced to take the job and it's your choice. Exactly. She's trying to have it both ways - she doesn't want to go with the program but she wants the job, too. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From dfmanno at mail.com Sat Nov 7 00:00:55 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Nov 7 00:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: LOL@Google today References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > >> http://www.google.com/ > > > > I'll see your Big Bird and raise you Wallace and Gromit: > > > > > > I'm getting the cookie monster there. When I went there in Firefox, it was W & G. In Safari, it was CM. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 01:07:06 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 01:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hd2jut$nnj$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Actually 5.25s started off with 360kb which increased to 1.2mb with >> double-side / double density. 3.5s started off with 360 as well but >> eventually went up to 2.8mb. Ahh those were the days... > > Hmmmm....don't remember 3.5" 2.8MB floppies....either we skipped over > that era with the LS-120 drives at work or someone's memory is flawed...... It was brief...the same way normal CD-Rs went from 650mb / 700mb to 1.2gb a scant year before DVD-R came out. It's basically the last gasp of a medium that is already obsolete. Floppies went from 1.4mb to 2.8mb just before Zip drives and CD-R became commonplace. From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 01:08:32 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 01:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Yesterday I was getting my weekly PT at my therapist's house, and she > apologized for how cold it was on the first level of her 3 floor > townhouse. It turns out that the day before one of her carbon monoxide > alarms went off (she has them on all 3 floors), but after she replaced > the batteries it quit barking. She called her boyfriend to discuss it, > and he told her to call the local utility and the fire dept. immedieatly. > > Half an hour later they both showed up at the same time, and the FD took > their much more sensitive CO detector into her house. When the captain > got to the second floor, he ordered everyone out of the house, like > right this instant -- he didn't even get to measure the CO level on the > third floor where her bedroom was located. The readings he got on the > second floor were around 53 ppb (ppm?), and the fatal level for CO is > only 34! She was damn lucky that her house was so leaky -- she's slowly > starting to replace all of her windows because they leak so badly, but > they likely kept her alive while she was asleep. Without those air leaks > feeding fresh air into the house, she would have died for sure. > I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the first...CO is heavier than air. From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 01:29:47 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 01:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8347216.stm > > Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but > spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth. An official from the > al-Shabab group said the woman would be killed after she has had her baby. Seriously, how much longer until another Crusade happens? I think it's overdue. Radical Muslims are unbelievably violent, the peaceful Muslims don't lift a finger to stop the radical ones...implying that they condone that sort of behavior. I would almost wish that radical Muslims commit an act of terror so heinous that there is no longer any excuse for tolerating their freedom of religion. From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 7 01:48:11 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 7 01:50:06 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the > first...CO is heavier than air. Ummm ... no it's not. About the same density as molecular nitrogen, slightly lower than molecular oxygen. But I don't think density has a lot to do with it, it will diffuse/mix in air about as/more quickly than it might rise. And since it's toxic that is bad news. From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Sat Nov 7 04:32:12 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Sat Nov 7 04:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] How hot is "too hot"? Message-ID: I was having a problem with my new (< 1 yr) laptop occasionally shutting down on its own. I did a Google search on the "Technical Information STOP" addresses and the first one I tried immediately fetched up a page dealing with my machine (same make same model). It turns out it was overheating caused by dust accumulating on the heat sink and fan. Canned air seems to have cleared up the problem. (Touch wood.) BUT: In the course of tracking down the problem I found a program called SpeedFan, which says it monitors the temperatures of the hard drive and CPU. It's running on the laptop now and it seems that the CPU temperatures "Core 0" and "Core 1" rarely go below 50 C (122 F) when the computer is running on its power supply (mains) and "doing nothing". Moderate use will send them over that and on at least one occasion, a graphics-heavy program (DVD player) sent the temperatures up to 60 C. Is this normal? Is it for real? (Can I believe SpeedFan?) I haven't had a shutdown in over two days now so I'm guessing this behavior is normal--I just never noticed it before. Still, one wonders. 50-60 C is *hot*. Additional notes: 1. When running on internal battery the CPU temperatures drop to the 33 C range. 2. Using the spare power supply (I keep one around as a backup) makes no difference in temperatures. 3. I've ordered an "aluminum notebook cooler" just to be on the safe side. It should arrive Monday. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 07:36:21 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Nov 7 07:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBC49220BEB1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> The 3rd worlders have little care for pregnancy prevention (or little > access to it or some such thing) and are used to just popping them out and > having a high percentage die. Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8347216.stm > > Islamists in southern Somalia have stoned a man to death for adultery but > spared his pregnant girlfriend until she gives birth. An official from the > al-Shabab group said the woman would be killed after she has had her baby. Um...pregancy prevention? "Adultery" as they call it is known as "rape" in this country. Pregnancy prevention might involve stopping the rape and violence against women, to which there is a big cultural stigma, and which leaves raped and/or pregnant woman as outcasts, when they have little or no power to fight back. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 07:38:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Nov 7 07:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: LOL@Google today References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBDACCEA6Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > news:dfmanno-3FCF3D.00005507112009 > @news.cesmail.net: > > >> >> When I went there in Firefox, it was W & G. In Safari, it was CM. >> > > I only use Firefox. It was cookie monster. Then Burt and Ernie. It seems > odd that W&G would have been on there at all since they have nothing to do > with Sesame Street. Or did you mean Burt and Ernie? I got the Wallace and Gromit page too, I wonder if it changed at midnight and by the time you got to it, was already Sesame Street? When I went back to look again, it was Cookie......"COOOOKIEEEEEEEEEEEEE" From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 07:41:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Nov 7 07:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: just saw this little bitch on the news References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBB60ECFA92sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-091106-college-soccer- > fight,0,1143129.htmlstory > > i never saw such outrageous behaviour, she wasn't even trying to disguise > it! > > "This is in no way indicative of my character or the soccer player I am," > Lambert said in her apology. "I am sorry to my coaches and teammates for > any and all damages I have brought upon them. I am especially sorry to BYU > and the BYU women's soccer players that were personally affected by my > actions." > > Yeah right. She suddenly just flipped in this game. Translation "I got caught on film being an asshole and now I have to make believe it was a momentary problem". Yanking the girl down by her hair was disgusting, I'm surprised she hasn't had the shit beaten out of her yet. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 09:08:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 09:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd2gbe$s5v$1@news.spamcop.net... > .... > I think a high strength ceramic would be a good canidate for terrestrial > apps, but it's too brittle to survive a space launch without a lot of > expensive cushioning. So in esscence, we're back to stone tablets ;-) And other than thickness and bulk, how is a stone better than ceramic? Or for that matter very different? From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 09:46:26 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 09:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:hd26m2$olb$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:hd25de$o57$1@news.spamcop.net... : > "Bar0" wrote in message : > news:hd246o$no7$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : > : news:hd1jpo$hq1$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ : > : > : > : : : It's pubes nowadays. And if an individual can do the job well, it's no ones business what's in their hair. Depends on what the individual is doing. Air Transport and OTR tucking are two that come to mind. ATR requires a physical every three months. : And no, I doubt there is anything in my hair that could cause alarm, but I : also know labs screw up 5 to 20% of the time. False positive then a retest with a different protocol and different lab. : : > : > Might mention that even some very fundamental religious sects required : > some serious validation including finger prints (mark of the beast not : > withstanding) Some consider RFID in credit cards and pass ports the same way. Given that it's hard to go cash only and there is no way legally : > in or out of the country without RFID in your pass port... : : That latter is not true, I don't yet have RFID, neither do my children. They do come and go. By air yet. Since I don't travel by air inside the USA and haven't cross a border in years I'm a bit of out the loop. My understand is the chip is installed and populated if they are read that's another matter. My DL has a magnetic strip and I've had words with the local grocery store about their 'need' to scan that for me to buy beer. End games under Texas law anyone that is obviously over the age of consent is not required to be carded. (I look like Santa www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) Not a big issue on my part but I am enjoying screwing with the company management. Thinks got real funny when the company 'attorney' tried to tell me it was Texas law. I told him I could arrange a meeting with the Texas AG so he could educate the AG on the finer points of Texas law. : I have a philosophical problem with Identity cards or their proxies. Like I said. The world makes the rules you either play by those rules or stay home. Curious what was the eventual outcome of the Muslim lady that did not want her picture taken for her DL? From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 7 10:37:36 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 7 10:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: Gezgin wrote: > I was having a problem with my new (< 1 yr) laptop occasionally shutting > down on its own. > It turns out it was > overheating caused by dust accumulating on the heat sink and fan. > Canned air seems to have cleared up the problem. (Touch wood.) BUT: LTs are a nightmare in terms of managing heat. Visit the newsgroups and websites which discuss the design and the airflow management for desktops, where the intake air is going to be, where the exhaust, whether to make the cpu fan airflow go up or down, what to do about airflow cooling the hdd/s, how many fans to have besides the one in the PS and the one in the cpu cooler assembly, which is large and elaborate and built of heavyweight copper and aluminum.... ... and compare that to the trivial arrangements for a LT which crams very similar heat generators into a tiny relatively unventilated space. I think anything you can add such as the Al cooler to make it cooler would be great, especially if it actually worked. Gezgin wrote: > the CPU > temperatures "Core 0" and "Core 1" rarely go below 50 C (122 F) when > the computer is running on its power supply (mains) and "doing > nothing". Moderate use will send them over that and on at least one > occasion, a graphics-heavy program (DVD player) sent the temperatures > up to 60 C. > 1. When running on internal battery the CPU temperatures drop to the 33 > C range. What is going on there? Does that mean that the cpu is actually 'doing more' when it is on the mains? -- That the computer is performing, that is 'cpu-ing' at a higher level under that PS hookup and a lower cpu performance on battery? Even if the machine isn't doing anything? I don't understand. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 11:25:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Nov 7 11:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBC4DD73FD68TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Um...pregancy prevention? >> >> "Adultery" as they call it is known as "rape" in this country. >> Pregnancy prevention might involve stopping the rape and violence >> against women, to which there is a big cultural stigma, and which >> leaves raped and/or pregnant woman as outcasts, when they have little >> or no power to fight back. > > I hear you. And I was speaking in gross generalities. So it's silly of > me > to say that you're using some, yourself, as there are many, many cultures > involved and they are all different... I was referring to Somalia, since that's what the link Skat posted was about - but yes, generalities and different cultures and no prevention and no prenatal or post natal care and dead babies.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 11:37:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 11:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd418b$dvd$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:hd26m2$olb$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:hd25de$o57$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > "Bar0" wrote in message > : > news:hd246o$no7$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : > : news:hd1jpo$hq1$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ > : > : > > : > : > > : > : It's pubes nowadays. And if an individual can do the job well, it's no > ones business what's in their hair. > > Depends on what the individual is doing. Air Transport and OTR tucking > are > two that come to mind. ATR requires a physical every three months. > > : And no, I doubt there is anything in my hair that could cause alarm, but > I > : also know labs screw up 5 to 20% of the time. > > False positive then a retest with a different protocol and different lab. > > : > : > > : > Might mention that even some very fundamental religious sects required > : > some serious validation including finger prints (mark of the beast not > : > withstanding) Some consider RFID in credit cards and pass ports the > same way. Given that it's hard to go cash only and there is no way > legally > : > in or out of the country without RFID in your pass port... > : > : That latter is not true, I don't yet have RFID, neither do my children. > They do come and go. By air yet. > > Since I don't travel by air inside the USA and haven't cross a border in > years I'm a bit of out the loop. My understand is the chip is installed > and > populated if they are read that's another matter. My DL has a magnetic > strip and I've had words with the local grocery store about their 'need' > to > scan that for me to buy beer. End games under Texas law anyone that is > obviously over the age of consent is not required to be carded. (I look > like Santa www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) Not a big issue on my part but > I > am enjoying screwing with the company management. Thinks got real funny > when the company 'attorney' tried to tell me it was Texas law. I told > him > I could arrange a meeting with the Texas AG so he could educate the AG on > the finer points of Texas law. > > : I have a philosophical problem with Identity cards or their proxies. > > Like I said. The world makes the rules you either play by those rules or > stay home. > > Curious what was the eventual outcome of the Muslim lady that did not want > her picture taken for her DL? hope she didn't get it. There are reasonable purposes for ID's and what I think are unwarranted extensions of those purposes. I don't believe a teacher should have to provide fingerprints to get a job, or a drivers license. We can implement (and are) all kinds of precursors to and infrastructure for tyranny in the name of making children, or the nation safe. I think doing so is a bad idea. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 12:00:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hd447u$hmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Gezgin wrote: .... > What is going on there? Does that mean that the cpu is actually 'doing > more' when it is on the mains? -- That the computer is performing, that > is 'cpu-ing' at a higher level under that PS hookup and a lower cpu > performance on battery? Even if the machine isn't doing anything? I > don't understand. Probably, newer laptops try to conserve power by reducing cycles, shutting down cores etc when running on batteries. I would assume those same modal changes would also reduce heating. since ultimately all of the power consupmtion of a PC becomes the heat coming off of it or raising its temperature. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 12:29:33 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 12:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:hd418b$dvd$1@news.spamcop.net... : > "Bar0" wrote in message : > news:hd26m2$olb$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : : > : > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : It's pubes nowadays. And if an individual can do the job well, it's no : > ones business what's in their hair. : > : > Depends on what the individual is doing. Air Transport and OTR tucking : > are two that come to mind. ATR requires a physical every three months. : > : > : And no, I doubt there is anything in my hair that could cause alarm, but I also know labs screw up 5 to 20% of the time. : > : > False positive then a retest with a different protocol and different lab. : > : > : : > : > : > : > Might mention that even some very fundamental religious sects required some serious validation including finger prints (mark of the beast not withstanding) Some consider RFID in credit cards and pass ports the : > same way. Given that it's hard to go cash only and there is no way : > legally in or out of the country without RFID in your pass port... : > : : > : That latter is not true, I don't yet have RFID, neither do my children. They do come and go. By air yet. : > : > Since I don't travel by air inside the USA and haven't cross a border in : > years I'm a bit of out the loop. My understand is the chip is installed : > and populated if they are read that's another matter. My DL has a magnetic strip and I've had words with the local grocery store about their 'need' : > to scan that for me to buy beer. End games under Texas law anyone that is obviously over the age of consent is not required to be carded. (I look : > like Santa www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) Not a big issue on my part but I am enjoying screwing with the company management. Thinks got real funny when the company 'attorney' tried to tell me it was Texas law. I told : > him I could arrange a meeting with the Texas AG so he could educate the AG on the finer points of Texas law. : > : > : I have a philosophical problem with Identity cards or their proxies. : > : > Like I said. The world makes the rules you either play by those rules or stay home. : > : > Curious what was the eventual outcome of the Muslim lady that did not want her picture taken for her DL? : : hope she didn't get it. The DL or the picture? Recall a DL in the US is a privilege not a right. : There are reasonable purposes for ID's and what I think are unwarranted : extensions of those purposes. : : I don't believe a teacher should have to provide fingerprints to get a job, or a drivers license. The courts have ruled (including the USSC) that there are compelling reason for the collection of finger prints and other identifying data. In this case since the individual is not required to be a teacher the choice is finger prints, back ground check get the job or don't apply for the job. Interesting enough even the religious schools are almost (I base my statement on those I know and ALL of those I know do required prints) uniform in the requirement for finger prints for staff (not only teachers) and back ground checks. : We can implement (and are) all kinds of precursors to and infrastructure for : tyranny in the name of making children, or the nation safe. I think doing so is a bad idea. We do a Santa & Mrs. gig and have for years. Some is for Hospice, some for the foster program, some for other non-profitw and we also do commercial gigs. ALL without exception require prints and a back ground checks including those we do for advertising photo shoots that do not include kids. (there are typically morals clauses in modeling contracts) Its part of the T&C for doing the work. We don't have to submit but then they are not required to hire us for the gigs. We do consulting and design work. Many times we're asked for similar data that in our estimation has nothing to do with our qualifications or the work. We refuse. The client has the option to skip that requirement or go elsewhere. Some do & some don't, some find out we're the only place to get what they want done and it's our rules or the highway. If they get too ass-holey we tell them we're not interested in taking on their project. (we can get away with this as we don't need the work). I doubt the teacher in the case cited has that advantage. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 15:39:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBBDA883807sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Don't dump them in landfill, you're supposed to dispose of them > responsibly. I have no clue where to locally dispose of such electronics. > > Sounds to me like a DVR would solve all your timing problems without the > need of a TV in the kitchen. Not so good for live sports (you might fall behind too far and miss the start of the 4:00 game on another channel), plus I typically use my PIP function on Sundays so I can watch 2 games at once, which would bypass a DVR (it bypasses my cable converter box). I've wanted a little TV in my kitchen for a long time anyway, several friends of mine have them and they're great for preparing food for guests (or yourself) without having to miss out on the action. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 15:43:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hd32sk$nnj$3@news.spamcop.net... > I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the > first...CO is heavier than air. No it's not, it's lighter. Just think of the molecular weight of a single carbon atom + one oxygen atom ==> it MUST be heavier than the molecule that makes up something like 70% of "air", which is CO2. The FD captain was so scared of the CO levels on the 2nd floor that he didn't dare go up to the 3rd floor of the house, where the CO concentration should/would have been even higher, except perhaps for the leaky bedroom windows effecting the levels. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 15:50:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4m5h$p3d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hd32sk$nnj$3@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the >> first...CO is heavier than air. > > No it's not, it's lighter. Just think of the molecular weight of a single > carbon atom + one oxygen atom ==> it MUST be heavier than the molecule > that makes up something like 70% of "air", which is CO2. Wrong.....but still right....air is mostly composed of Nitrogen, not CO2, a brain fart on my part, knew it as soon as I hit the send button.....still, "air" has a molecular weight 28.966, while CO is 28.011 (from http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/molecular-weight-gas-vapor-d_1156.html ), so it is indeed lighter than air. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 15:58:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 16:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd3v1e$dar$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:hd2gbe$s5v$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > .... >> I think a high strength ceramic would be a good canidate for terrestrial >> apps, but it's too brittle to survive a space launch without a lot of >> expensive cushioning. So in esscence, we're back to stone tablets ;-) > > And other than thickness and bulk, how is a stone better than ceramic? Don't think I made the claim that stone was better than ceramic? In any case, the purity of the material helps it's stability. It's very easy to produce very pure and hard ceramics, while stones would have to be dug up/mined and analyzed for impurities or internal cracks before use. You'd also have to "machine" the stone to the size/shape/thickness you want, an extra step over ceramic production, where you build a mold to precisely create the exact object you want (no additional machining required). And with the "hot isostatic press" process, you get repeatable densities/material properties with every piece-part you make. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 16:03:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 16:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... In-Reply-To: References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... > I don't believe a teacher should have to provide fingerprints to get a > job, or a drivers license. I definitely disagree about teachers not having to provide fingerprints to get a job - how are the authorities supposed to do a complete and thorough background research to check for crimes committed by applicants without fingerprints? That's exactly how child molesters convicted in other states manage to get new teaching jobs by moving elsewhere. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 16:09:23 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 16:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBC49220BEB1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > >> Seriously, how much longer until another Crusade happens? I think it's >> overdue. > > Sounds like you're confused. The Crusades were not about just killing > everyone who doesn't agree with you or who seemed a little extreme. Indeed, the Crusades' main purpose was to re-occupy Jerusalem and kill as many Muslims as you could while doing it. The Christians and Muslims both have sacred sites in Jerusalem, thus the constant battles (and multiple Crusades) to "own" the city. Still going on today, unfortunately, although on a much smaller scale, of course, except for a couple of failed Egyptian/Syrian invasions in the late 20th century. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 16:22:54 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 16:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hd447u$hmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > ... and compare that to the trivial arrangements for a LT which crams > very similar heat generators into a tiny relatively unventilated space. > I think anything you can add such as the Al cooler to make it cooler > would be great, especially if it actually worked. > The aluminum pan of which Bob writes it probably near identical to those "defrost your meat faster!" aluminum plates. They work by increasing the thermal mass/heat capacity/surface area of the heat sink, but given the really lousy thermal conductance between the object and the plate their effectiveness is minimal at best. In fact, if there are vents on the bottom of the laptop, the plate will actually worsen the CPU overheating problem. > Gezgin wrote: >> the CPU >> temperatures "Core 0" and "Core 1" rarely go below 50 C (122 F) when >> the computer is running on its power supply (mains) and "doing >> nothing". Moderate use will send them over that and on at least one >> occasion, a graphics-heavy program (DVD player) sent the temperatures >> up to 60 C. That is really, really hot.....you're probably degrading the operating lifetime of the chip unless it was specifically built to run that hot. What's really critical is the junction temps inside the chip, if they exceed 125 C they'll fry, and since you can't directly measure their temps the engineering standard is to try to keep the CPU temp below 50 C, and the cooler the better. BTW, 50 C just happens to be the temperature at which an object becomes too hot for your average human to hold onto without suffering severe pain and perhaps 1st degree burns. It's a nice rule of thumb to remember to guesstimate the temperature of an object if you lack a thermometer or temp measuring device. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 16:46:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 16:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd4apv$l1q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:hd418b$dvd$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > "Bar0" wrote in message > : > news:hd26m2$olb$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : > > : > : > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : > ... > If they get too ass-holey we tell them we're not interested in taking on > their project. (we can get away with this as we don't need the work). > > I doubt the teacher in the case cited has that advantage. That's my point. It's fair to take reasonable measures to ensure you're hiring who the person says they are, aind in safety critical applications whether they abuse substances that may impair their judgement and reflexes. And where prolonged unsupervised contact with vulnerable citizensa background check. But this society os going too far. And there is always the spectre of voodoo science such as lie detector testing coming into play. You have no idea how close we've come to that over the last 70 years. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 17:09:48 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4nbh$pjm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I don't believe a teacher should have to provide fingerprints to get a >> job, or a drivers license. > > I definitely disagree about teachers not having to provide fingerprints to > get a job - how are the authorities supposed to do a complete and thorough > background research to check for crimes committed by applicants without > fingerprints? That's exactly how child molesters convicted in other states > manage to get new teaching jobs by moving elsewhere. A background check would probably have caught and stopped all of those teachers just by their names. Furthermore, honest evaluations and references from previous schools would probably have done the same. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 17:11:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: anyone have a kindle? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4n13$pfi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:hd3v1e$dar$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:hd2gbe$s5v$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >> .... >>> I think a high strength ceramic would be a good canidate for terrestrial >>> apps, but it's too brittle to survive a space launch without a lot of >>> expensive cushioning. So in esscence, we're back to stone tablets ;-) >> >> And other than thickness and bulk, how is a stone better than ceramic? > > Don't think I made the claim that stone was better than ceramic? In any > case, the purity of the material helps it's stability. It's very easy to > produce very pure and hard ceramics, while stones would have to be dug > up/mined and analyzed for impurities or internal cracks before use. You'd > also have to "machine" the stone to the size/shape/thickness you want, an > extra step over ceramic production, where you build a mold to precisely > create the exact object you want (no additional machining required). And > with the "hot isostatic press" process, you get repeatable > densities/material properties with every piece-part you make. I didn't read your post properly, and you didn't get my drift. I thought you were arguing that somehow stone was preferable to ceramic. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 17:23:09 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd4prj$r72$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:hd4apv$l1q$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > "bar0" wrote in message : > news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : > : news:hd418b$dvd$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > "Bar0" wrote in message : > : > news:hd26m2$olb$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mark-of-the-beast/ : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : ... : > If they get too ass-holey we tell them we're not interested in taking on : > their project. (we can get away with this as we don't need the work). : > : > I doubt the teacher in the case cited has that advantage. : : That's my point. It's fair to take reasonable measures to ensure you're : hiring who the person says they are, aind in safety critical applications : whether they abuse substances that may impair their judgment and reflexes. : And where prolonged unsupervised contact with vulnerable citizens : background check. But this society os going too far. And there is always the : spectre of voodoo science such as lie detector testing coming into play. You : have no idea how close we've come to that over the last 70 years. I know the fallacy of lie detector testing and also know it has it's place. It's a bit hard to fake a finger print and there are few test that are as clear or cheap on ID as finger prints. Way back when I did work for NASA/DoD and the work required a security clearance. We found two engineers that were a) not who they claimed to be b) were not engineers and c) did not hold P.E. Licenses. We hired a care provider for my MIL and did detailed and expensive back ground checks. One applicant we had came with excellent (on paper) qualifications phone verification were excellent (but fake non the less), back ground check (specifically the finger print data) showed she was just that week out of a long term jail term for elder abuse. Do you really think I'd let a claim that finger printing was the work of the devil interfere with checking out someone that was going to care for me and mine? Anyone that objected was immediately move to the DO NOT HIRE list. : : From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 17:28:11 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd4r7h$rqr$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Indigo" wrote in message : news:hd4nbh$pjm$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > "bar0" wrote in message : > news:hd47om$jqd$1@news.spamcop.net... : >> I don't believe a teacher should have to provide fingerprints to get a : >> job, or a drivers license. : > : > I definitely disagree about teachers not having to provide fingerprints to : > get a job - how are the authorities supposed to do a complete and thorough : > background research to check for crimes committed by applicants without : > fingerprints? That's exactly how child molesters convicted in other states : > manage to get new teaching jobs by moving elsewhere. : : A background check would probably have caught and stopped all of those : teachers just by their names. Furthermore, honest evaluations and references : from previous schools would probably have done the same. BUZZZZZ Dallas has have more then a few who passed the reference check hill. Detailed investigation show they were fired for cause (in proper interaction with children) but were allowed to resign 'to keep their job options open'. FWIW we have one candidate for school board that has a diploma mill doctorate that has, by her own admission, never been inside a collage class room. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 7 17:29:23 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I think anything you can add such as the Al cooler to make it cooler >> would be great, especially if it actually worked. > The aluminum pan of which Bob writes it probably near identical to those > "defrost your meat faster!" aluminum plates I don't know about that, he just said 'aluminum notebook cooler'. I was thinking it might be an aluminum version of the plastic gizmo I have, namely something with a fan in it. I have a plastic thing called a 'silent tilt notebook cooler' which I bought for almost nothing strictly for the tilt ergonomics. It has an integrated USB powersourced fan, but I just keep the usb connector coiled and stowed and use it purely for its variable tilt; the ability to rotate also isn't really of any use to me, but the tilt is very important and I put it almost at its maximum. The space behind and under the tilted LT is also a good place to stow the AC adapter when that is in play. When I search on 'aluminum notebook cooler' I see things made out of aluminum which have integrated fans and a very slight nonvariable tilt with no rotation. The last time I took a trip, I even packed the tilter in my checked bag, because it collapses very flat and packable. I also packed a router in there. I took my LT in my carryon in its outrageous psychedelic sleeve which I also bought on sale almost free with rebate. Too bad they didn't have any black ones like that. One thing nice about LT sleeves compared to more serious carrying cases is that you don't have to take them out of a sleeve for a/p security. I don't know how much cooling a gizmo like that would do, except to keep something warm/hot off your laplegs. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 7 18:41:20 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 7 18:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> >> I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the >> first...CO is heavier than air. > > Ummm ... no it's not. About the same density as molecular nitrogen, > slightly lower than molecular oxygen. But I don't think density has a > lot to do with it, it will diffuse/mix in air about as/more quickly than > it might rise. And since it's toxic that is bad news. (Re my last: diffusion may be quicker than to allow 'buoyancy' effect) - *except* when the CO is warmer than ambient, which would be the actual starting condition. Then it would rise, right enough, and retain some degree of concentration for a little while, perhaps enough (well, evidently enough) to rise a storey or two depending on the actual temp differential. Whether that would mean yet higher concentrations on the third floor would be moot. That would have to be measured to know for sure, diffusion has to take over at some stage. But you wouldn't want to be taking any chances. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 18:57:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4nm5$prn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9CBC49220BEB1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! >> >>> Seriously, how much longer until another Crusade happens? I think it's >>> overdue. >> >> Sounds like you're confused. The Crusades were not about just killing >> everyone who doesn't agree with you or who seemed a little extreme. > > Indeed, the Crusades' main purpose was to re-occupy Jerusalem and kill as > many Muslims as you could while doing it. The Christians and Muslims both > have sacred sites in Jerusalem, thus the constant battles (and multiple > Crusades) to "own" the city. Still going on today, unfortunately, although > on a much smaller scale, of course, except for a couple of failed > Egyptian/Syrian invasions in the late 20th century. Given their behaviour, it seems the crusades were largely about collecting money from the home countries, and pillaging along the way. A way of enriching unemployed knights and squires. Otherwise, why plunder Constantinople and loot and pillage Epheseus, both important, and powerful Christian cities. They were just ancient Madoffs. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 19:05:21 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4m5h$p3d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hd32sk$nnj$3@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm curious why he got a higher reading on the second floor than the >> first...CO is heavier than air. > > No it's not, it's lighter. Just think of the molecular weight of a single > carbon atom + one oxygen atom ==> it MUST be heavier than the molecule > that makes up something like 70% of "air", which is CO2. > > The FD captain was so scared of the CO levels on the 2nd floor that he > didn't dare go up to the 3rd floor of the house, where the CO > concentration should/would have been even higher, except perhaps for the > leaky bedroom windows effecting the levels. umm.. CO is 12 + 18 mw=30, O2 is mw 36, 20% of atmosphere N2 is mw 28, 80 % of atmosphere CO2 is mw 48, <1% of atmosphere CO is heavier than the main component of air, lighter than most of the rest of the air. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 19:14:48 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] GOP Plan: If You've Got a Problem, Call the Mariana Islands Insurance Commissioner Message-ID: http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/rep-defazio-gop-plan-if-youve-got-pro From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 7 19:20:54 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > > umm.. CO is 12 + 18 mw=30, > > O2 is mw 36, 20% of atmosphere > N2 is mw 28, 80 % of atmosphere > CO2 is mw 48, <1% of atmosphere > CO is heavier than the main component of air, lighter than most of the rest > of the air. Atomic weight of oxygen is 16, molecular weight is 32. I stand by my prior posts on the subject :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 20:05:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 20:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hd52t1$uhl$1@news.spamcop.net... > bar0 wrote: > >> >> umm.. CO is 12 + 18 mw=30, >> >> O2 is mw 36, 20% of atmosphere >> N2 is mw 28, 80 % of atmosphere >> CO2 is mw 48, <1% of atmosphere >> CO is heavier than the main component of air, lighter than most of the >> rest of the air. > > Atomic weight of oxygen is 16, molecular weight is 32. I stand by my > prior posts on the subject :) ooops shoulda checked, after 45 years memory of the table grows rusty CO and Nitrogen are pretty much the same From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 20:17:10 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 20:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd55hj$vl2$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Farelf" wrote in message : news:hd52t1$uhl$1@news.spamcop.net... : > bar0 wrote: : > : >> : >> umm.. CO is 12 + 18 mw=30, : >> : >> O2 is mw 36, 20% of atmosphere : >> N2 is mw 28, 80 % of atmosphere : >> CO2 is mw 48, <1% of atmosphere : >> CO is heavier than the main component of air, lighter than most of the : >> rest of the air. : > : > Atomic weight of oxygen is 16, molecular weight is 32. I stand by my : > prior posts on the subject :) : : ooops shoulda checked, after 45 years memory of the table grows rusty : CO and Nitrogen are pretty much the same My memory is likewise rusty but isn't Nitrogen N2 and the density higher as a result? From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 7 21:04:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 7 21:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One more piece of info.... References: Message-ID: The atomic weights of the elements under discussion are C 12, N 14, and O 16. ergo CO 28, N2 28, O2 32 But all of this has caused me to have a very enjoyable read about ozone; the good, the bad, and the ugly. O3 48. There is certainly a lot of atmospheric chemistry involved with it. And who all knows what has been going on with the ozone 'hole' - and other stratospheric ozone - lately, or why. How about the tropospheric ozone? The bad stuff around us. I think that in these times of political agendas about the atmosphere and bogus science all over the place, that we all have an obligation to keep up. I did get sidetracked for a bit doing some Black Sea reading. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 22:59:47 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 23:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9CBC49220BEB1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! >> >>> Seriously, how much longer until another Crusade happens? I think it's >>> overdue. >> >> Sounds like you're confused. The Crusades were not about just killing >> everyone who doesn't agree with you or who seemed a little extreme. > > Indeed, the Crusades' main purpose was to re-occupy Jerusalem and kill > as many Muslims as you could while doing it. The Christians and Muslims > both have sacred sites in Jerusalem, thus the constant battles (and > multiple Crusades) to "own" the city. Still going on today, > unfortunately, although on a much smaller scale, of course, except for a > couple of failed Egyptian/Syrian invasions in the late 20th century. Well, perhaps you're right. My use of the word was in the sense of a "holy war" since that's what the fundamentalist Muslims like to talk about constantly. From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Sun Nov 8 00:22:40 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Sun Nov 8 00:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote >> What is going on there? Does that mean that the cpu is actually 'doing >> more' when it is on the mains? -- That the computer is performing, that >> is 'cpu-ing' at a higher level under that PS hookup and a lower cpu >> performance on battery? Even if the machine isn't doing anything? I >> don't understand. > Well for starters the screen is dimmer so that'll use less power/heat. There's no obvious dimming when the machine is running on battery. (I use the "Always on" power plan and Windows snidely reminds me "Your current plan may reduce battery life.") Someone else said that the CPU probably runs on reduced-power mode when the machine is on battery. I think that's probably the explanation. Since no one's commented on my original question, I'm guessing that 50-60 C is probably normal/OK--however hot that seems to me. I am wondering though what the dust-clogged temperature got up to that it caused the machine to shut itself down... -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 00:35:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 00:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... In-Reply-To: References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hd4r7h$rqr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > A background check would probably have caught and stopped all of those > teachers just by their names. Furthermore, honest evaluations and > references from previous schools would probably have done the same. > The deeper the depth of the background check the more $$ it costs.....with schools already in budget crunches, fingerprint checking is the faster and cheapest way to go. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 00:45:47 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 00:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBCD9A343764sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > I'd record both of them and watch them in their entirety, sans adverts. I > never watch F1 live, the ads drive me nuts. how are you getting the signal > to the TV if not from the cable box? I have a cable ready TV (meaning two built in tuners that can read channels from 2 - 72 or so, even though they're now digital). I have a splitter that splits the main cable before it enters the converter box and feeds the TV's antenna 2 input. That way the dual TV tuners can read two separate digital channels at once and provide my PIP function. I'll need to split the cable again somewhere to provide a clean cable signal for the new kitchen TV, I don't trust the HDTV antennas to do too much. From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 8 03:57:58 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 8 04:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It's all us - we rock. You're welcome. And... How did the slick get to > be so big with only 43 bbl of oil going out a day? Something kinda > strange, there, don't you think? > > Hmm. Well. I can't find any decent links for this one so, um. Just take > my word for it, 'kay? Say what? We've got the biggest, worstest slick about - http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/environment/Australian+spill+recovery+plan+could+take+years/2183676/story.html or http://tinyurl.com/yzsvbo3 and http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/timor-sea-oil-leak-stopped-at-last/story-e6frg6pf-1225794109998 or http://tinyurl.com/ykhr7eu and yeah, it was supposed to be only 40 bbl/day but some say 400 bbl/day. But it's stopped at last and the fire's out. The Greens were finding 'evidence' of massive pollution by the slick 600 miles away about 2 days after it started. Super quick thick slick trick. The truth is out there somewhere. The Greens want an independent judicial inquiry. We used to call those "Royal Commissions" but maybe the Greens are a little too republican to articulate such words without acute distress and enduring harm. So, are you claiming some sort of personal/company/national kudos for the well capping? Okay then, thanks. It was a nasty/tricky one and it took the very best available to (finally) do the job. Maybe engineers are worth having around after all. Plenty of other professions to revile. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Nov 8 07:26:00 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Nov 8 07:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> One thing nice about LT sleeves >> compared to more serious carrying cases is that you don't have to take >> them out of a sleeve for a/p security. > > You don't? Have you been thru LAX and done that? They're total pricks > there about laptops. I don't 'do' LAX -- or at least I haven't in quite a number of years. I either go thru' LA on a train in the bar car, or riding as an auto pax in the HOV lanes, also a 'bar car' :-) It is actually closer and more convenient for me to depart from General Abelardo L. Rodriguez International Airport than LAX if I'm not departing from SAN. I say that half in jest, I haven't departed the Tijuana airport in some years either. But, in any case, the TSA signs at my usual airport/s say that sleeves are OK, and the TSA website shows 3 graphic illustrations of what is approved for LTs besides 'naked'. http://snipr.com/t4y9u TSA will allow laptops to remain in bags meeting "checkpoint friendly" guidelines. Not all laptop bags are "checkpoint friendly" (see images below). My sleeve stretches to fit, like a thin wetsuit, similar material. Empty it is about the same size as the LT. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Nov 8 11:49:32 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Nov 8 11:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > The one from the blowout. That we put out. Who is 'we'? Presumably you are (not distinctly) speaking about the West Atlas rig off northwest Australia which has been leaking oil for 10 weeks and then caught on fire just after they got it plugged. The rig is owned by Australasia PPTEP based in Thailand, the only articles I've read about who was pumping in mud was PPTEP, I haven't read any articles at all about/mentioning any other or 'outside' (we?) well control or 'hellfire' outfits which might be based in the US or might be international, like Red Adair's old outfit which is now Boots & Coots International Well Control. I *have* seen some articles condemning the press/media for completely ignoring this very serious spill until it turned into something spectacular and vivid and therefore suddenly /newsworthy/ whereas the environment was being totally neglected by everyone for all of those other weeks. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Nov 8 14:19:22 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Nov 8 14:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > >> Well, perhaps you're right. My use of the word was in the sense of a >> "holy war" since that's what the fundamentalist Muslims like to talk >> about constantly. > > So... Go on a radical bent to destroy all radicals? As a radical, I > resent that. Someday someone could decide to destroy me. Like all of you > 9/11 freaks (you in the large sense). Well no, I don't see you stoning people to death for being rape victims, or blowing up skyscrapers or some other nonsense like that. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 16:45:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Nov 8 16:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And then people ask why we have so many morons coming out of Texas... References: <155ebf14-8cf2-47c6-a3fd-e5dc81fbe2b8@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd5laf$5go$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:hd4r7h$rqr$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> A background check would probably have caught and stopped all of those >> teachers just by their names. Furthermore, honest evaluations and >> references from previous schools would probably have done the same. >> > > The deeper the depth of the background check the more $$ it costs.....with > schools already in budget crunches, fingerprint checking is the faster and > cheapest way to go. I could go on to talk about that too. So now we have a system where a teacher is fired or let go for whatever, and when the district is asked for a recommendation, the districts says his/her performance was normal so they can't be sued. There's lots of things that are wrong these days. From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Nov 8 19:30:58 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Nov 8 19:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: LOL@Google today References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > When I went there in Firefox, it was W & G. In Safari, it was CM. > > I only use Firefox. It was cookie monster. Then Burt and Ernie. It seems > odd that W&G would have been on there at all since they have nothing to do > with Sesame Street. Or did you mean Burt and Ernie? I do know the difference between Wallace and Gromit and Bert and Ernie. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 20:36:25 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 20:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBD914A4E50sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Ah ok, that'd work. It's ok as long as your games aren't both on the > digital tier so the TV doesn't need to descramble them. HDTV antennas are > great if you are in a good position but they have to be a decent antenna, > not those silly table top ones which just don't work unless you live right > underneath the transmitter. We haven't bothered putting ours up on the > house so we rely on the cable signal. That's one of the things that sold me on the model I bought -- besides the built in telescoping antenna, you can also hook up a second (provided) mobile antenna with a six foot cord and a magnetic-base for holding it onto the fridge or the roof of your car, for instance. Reviews I read said that using both greatly improved the HDTV reception, but like you said, depending on how strong the local TV station signals are it's just a guess as to how well they'll work. I'll find out in the next day or two when it's delivered. Damn, I gotta check my "spare electrical parts" box to see if I have a 10 or 25 ft co-ax cable on hand.....I ordered that AC/DC converter the same day I ordered the TV and forgot to order a good but inexpensive hunk of co-ax cable. I'll probably have to go to the store and pay 2-3 times as much for one if I need it :-( Speaking of magnetics, I ordered a pack of 1200 guass magnet devices of various sizes from Amazon last week, only cost me $25 and it came with 8 different kinds of magnet packet holders, like one for your back, for your neck, elbows, etc. Sometimes my acupuncturist uses those little stick-on magnets on me, she puts them on various points of my body to activate the nerves associated with that specific point to relieve muscle pain and stiffness (it's kind of like reflexology, where stimulation of very specific points on the sole of your foot can get to damn near every part of your body). Anywho, my lower back and neck have been giving me lots of problems lately, and I've been wearing the magnetic back belt every day for hours at a time, and it's actually working! Normally, sitting at the PC for several hours without getting up and moving around will cause my back to stiffen up, but not with the mag belt on......I also strained the muscles on the right side of my neck this morning putting dirty laundry into the washing machine (just used my right hand to prevent irritating my left elbow). I put on the neck belt with two 5-magnetic packs attached, with one pad on the back of my neck and one on the right side, and damn, those muscle spasms stopped after an hour or so! From me at privacy.net Sun Nov 8 20:50:20 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Nov 8 20:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd7rn1$upp$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message : news:Xns9CBD914A4E50sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : > Ah ok, that'd work. It's ok as long as your games aren't both on the : > digital tier so the TV doesn't need to descramble them. HDTV antennas are : > great if you are in a good position but they have to be a decent antenna, : > not those silly table top ones which just don't work unless you live right : > underneath the transmitter. We haven't bothered putting ours up on the : > house so we rely on the cable signal. : : That's one of the things that sold me on the model I bought -- besides the : built in telescoping antenna, you can also hook up a second (provided) : mobile antenna with a six foot cord and a magnetic-base for holding it onto : the fridge or the roof of your car, for instance. Reviews I read said that : using both greatly improved the HDTV reception, but like you said, depending : on how strong the local TV station signals are it's just a guess as to how : well they'll work. I'll find out in the next day or two when it's delivered. : Damn, I gotta check my "spare electrical parts" box to see if I have a 10 or : 25 ft co-ax cable on hand.....I ordered that AC/DC converter the same day I : ordered the TV and forgot to order a good but inexpensive hunk of co-ax : cable. I'll probably have to go to the store and pay 2-3 times as much for : one if I need it :-( : : Speaking of magnetics, I ordered a pack of 1200 guass magnet devices of : various sizes from Amazon last week, only cost me $25 and it came with 8 : different kinds of magnet packet holders, like one for your back, for your : neck, elbows, etc. Sometimes my acupuncturist uses those little stick-on : magnets on me, she puts them on various points of my body to activate the : nerves associated with that specific point to relieve muscle pain and : stiffness (it's kind of like reflexology, where stimulation of very specific : points on the sole of your foot can get to damn near every part of your : body). : : Anywho, my lower back and neck have been giving me lots of problems lately, : and I've been wearing the magnetic back belt every day for hours at a time, : and it's actually working! Normally, sitting at the PC for several hours : without getting up and moving around will cause my back to stiffen up, but : not with the mag belt on......I also strained the muscles on the right side : of my neck this morning putting dirty laundry into the washing machine (just : used my right hand to prevent irritating my left elbow). I put on the neck : belt with two 5-magnetic packs attached, with one pad on the back of my neck : and one on the right side, and damn, those muscle spasms stopped : after an hour or so! Keep in mind that some wall board has metal thermal backing. Works ok for keeping the heat in/out but plays hell with UHF RF. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Nov 8 21:34:53 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Nov 8 21:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: How hot is "too hot"? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> My sleeve stretches to fit, like a thin wetsuit, similar material. >> Empty it is about the same size as the LT. > > Where do you put all your other stuff like power supply etc? In my checked bag are such as the tilt, a mouse & pad, & AC adapter. And a router. I also put some clothes and stuff in there :-) I'm not prone to use the LT in the gate areas; I prefer newspapers and magazines there. In fact, most of the time I don't even do anything with the LT itself while en route, but since mine is such a small LT and a sleeve and no case, it is easy to pack in my carry on. My big problem with netbooks was that they had no optical and I didn't like a small keyboard and other deficiency issues, so I found the smallest cheapest LT with an optical drive and a normal sized keyboard; that turned out to be 14" > I don't > like those wetsuit type ones cos you can't carry anything else with the > laptop and thus you have to have another bag with those things in it. I almost always travel SWA Southwest, so I check a bag free and have a carryon with such as snacks, magazines and newspapers and the LT in a sleeve stashed in there. My checked bag has any number of things in it; as I mentioned, I also take a router (and a couple of cables) so that when I stay at a friend's house which has a cable modem and no router, I just put my wired/wireless router into their mix. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Nov 8 23:05:29 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Nov 8 23:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Radical Muslims are unbelievably violent, the peaceful Muslims > don't lift a finger to stop the radical ones...implying that they condone > that sort of behavior. Have you lifted a finger to stop fundamentalist Christians from killing doctors who perform abortions? If not, doesn't that imply that you condone such killings? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Nov 9 03:06:26 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Nov 9 03:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > >> Radical Muslims are unbelievably violent, the peaceful Muslims >> don't lift a finger to stop the radical ones...implying that they condone >> that sort of behavior. > > Have you lifted a finger to stop fundamentalist Christians from killing > doctors who perform abortions? If not, doesn't that imply that you > condone such killings? > Not Christian, thus it doesn't apply to me. Yes, I know what you meant. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 9 04:51:57 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 9 04:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> And how in BLAZES (heh) are the rest of us supposed to have known >> about any of this, or your connection to it?! No wonder I was >> mystified. > > Well, I dunno. Paying attention, mayhaps? I mean, sheesh, I've been > working there for 4 years, now! Have I never said what we do? Um. Not > that I do that. I do other things. But still. Never mind Charles. I understood you (nearly). Under normal circumstances that might be cause for alarm. But of course I had the advantage of local knowledge. That 'blow out' was fairly well headline news here for the whole 10 weeks or whatever it was. But, as Mike Easter has indicated, the rest of the world pretty much ignored it until it was finally capped. That's okay, we're used to that. Like when 16 year-old West Australian schoolboy Eman Ekafasti split the atom in 1912. Nobody took any notice. From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 9 09:04:08 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Nov 9 09:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hd8ii1$6lh$1@news.spamcop.net... : D.F. Manno wrote: : > In article , : > Borgholio wrote: : > : >> Radical Muslims are unbelievably violent, the peaceful Muslims : >> don't lift a finger to stop the radical ones...implying that they condone : >> that sort of behavior. : > : > Have you lifted a finger to stop fundamentalist Christians from killing : > doctors who perform abortions? If not, doesn't that imply that you : > condone such killings? : > : : Not Christian, thus it doesn't apply to me. : : Yes, I know what you meant. We're all human and as such the admonishment DOES apply to us. The question comes just what can we do that would be even slight effective? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 10:26:22 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Nov 9 10:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: that's big of them... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd97j8$ef1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hd8ii1$6lh$1@news.spamcop.net... > : D.F. Manno wrote: > : > In article , > : > Borgholio wrote: > : > > : >> Radical Muslims are unbelievably violent, the peaceful Muslims > : >> don't lift a finger to stop the radical ones...implying that they > condone > : >> that sort of behavior. > : > > : > Have you lifted a finger to stop fundamentalist Christians from > killing > : > doctors who perform abortions? If not, doesn't that imply that you > : > condone such killings? > : > > : > : Not Christian, thus it doesn't apply to me. > : > : Yes, I know what you meant. > > We're all human and as such the admonishment DOES apply to us. > > The question comes just what can we do that would be even slight > effective? Plenty more Christian examples, Northern Ireland for one Most western countries "disbelief" of Jewish persecution in the third Reich, 1930-40. (Ship of Fools and others), Then there was the Bhuddists in Ceylon (deliberate choice of name), Most any large religious or political group has chose at one time or another to turn a blind eye to atrocities perfomred by it's fellows. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 9 11:05:13 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 9 11:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Like when 16 year-old West Australian schoolboy Eman Ekafasti > split the atom in 1912. Nobody took any notice. You oz are always trying to take away from the kiwis :-) I tho't Ernest Rutherford the kiwi deserved credit for publishing a paper on atom splitting in 1917. Did he steal his ideas from an oz schoolboy? And then of course there are some natural fission sites on earth which spontaneously split some atoms - natural criticality - for a while a long long time ago, but those 'natural nuclear reactor' products weren't discovered until 1972. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 9 12:06:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 9 12:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anatidaephobia References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > make that Aflac, duh Of the Fortune 2009 100 best companies to work for, Aflac was # 26, moving up from #30 last year. Among other things, it is the largest corporate provider of onsite daycare in the state of GA. Snipped from Fortune's best100 - "Aflac's two centers care for 520 children at a modest average cost of $352 a month. Hours were extended to 11:30 p.m. so second-shift workers could use the benefit too." Compressed workweek and telecommuting, nondiscrimination policy that includes sexual orientation, 67% women & 41% minorities, both salaried and hourly employees get about 90 professional training hours a year. Slots available per year ~50; applicants > 32,000. It doesn't sound like those people are afraid of a duck. wiki: The duck concept and all of the commercials to date have been created by Kaplan Thaler Group, an advertising agency based in New York City. Struggling to come up with a concept to make the big but relatively obscure insurance company's name memorable, one of the agency's art directors stumbled upon the duck idea while walking around Central Park at lunchtime uttering, "Aflac, Aflac." He soon realized how much the company's name sounded like a duck's quack. The Aflac Duck character has now starred in more than 30 commercials. The Aflac Duck is enshrined on Madison Avenue's Walk of Fame as one of America's Favorite Advertising Icons. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 9 14:45:48 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 9 14:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Farelf wrote: > >> Like when 16 year-old West Australian schoolboy Eman Ekafasti >> split the atom in 1912. Nobody took any notice. > > You oz are always trying to take away from the kiwis :-) Sensible Kiwis ignore us (they know we're consistent liars). It may have been Piggy Muldoon (former PM of the Shaky Isles) who observed that the continuing migration of Kiwis to Oz was a process that increased the average IQ in both countries. There are lots of Kiwis who believe Piggy wasn't very sensible. Aussies mostly ignored him. > > I tho't Ernest Rutherford the kiwi deserved credit for publishing a > paper on atom splitting in 1917. Did he steal his ideas from an oz > schoolboy? Lord Rutherford rocked, I must say, he stole nothing from anybody. Arguably Otto Hahn and Lise Meitner actually unlocked the puzzle of nuclear fission. Hahn and Rutherford worked together at some stage too. Whoever gets the credit seems to be more a political than a scientific consideration. Lise was Austrian and she was Jewish - neither being an asset in the political stakes when all of this discovery was taking place. But she was the one who tied E=mc^2 to the process. Even Hahn had been stumped about where the energy came from when atoms 'fissioned'. As for young Eman Ekafasti, well I lied about him - its a fake name. But it could have been true. > > And then of course there are some natural fission sites on earth which > spontaneously split some atoms - natural criticality - for a while a > long long time ago, but those 'natural nuclear reactor' products weren't > discovered until 1972. > Well, radon is a natural ('spontaneous') fission product of either uranium or thorium in granites and shales and that is going on in far too many sites. And there are other examples. But 'natural reactors' (as such) - critical-mass chain-reactions with huge energy output, naturally moderated for extended life, were possible when the earth was younger - and the Oklo sites in Gabon were evidently such: http://oklo.curtin.edu.au/ That would not have been a fun place to be (the lovely purple flash being all the rhodopsin in your eyes ionizing out in one burst). But how incredible and awesome and strange and alien a place. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 9 17:42:17 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 9 17:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > But she was the one who tied E=mc^2 to the process. Even Hahn > had been stumped about where the energy came from when atoms > 'fissioned'. Naturally you have to have some pretty strange units assigned to the speed of light to get mass times something equals some kind of energy. When Einstein got out his chalk or pencil, he was using the CGS system and he didn't know the first thing about quantum chromodynamics. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 17:52:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Nov 9 17:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hda5s9$p92$1@news.spamcop.net... > Farelf wrote: > >> But she was the one who tied E=mc^2 to the process. Even Hahn >> had been stumped about where the energy came from when atoms >> 'fissioned'. > > Naturally you have to have some pretty strange units assigned to the > speed of light to get mass times something equals some kind of energy. Eh? Kinetic Energy = MV**2/2. same units. In CGS that's: g*cm**2/sec**2 or SI: Kg*M**2/S**2 also works for Mass*Accel*Height > > When Einstein got out his chalk or pencil, he was using the CGS system > and he didn't know the first thing about quantum chromodynamics. So? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 18:37:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 9 18:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hd7sh1$v5o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Keep in mind that some wall board has metal thermal backing. Works ok for > keeping the heat in/out but plays hell with UHF RF. > If you're referring to my soon to arrive mini-TV, I stopped in at Best Buy today to pick up a 25ft co-ax cable ($20.99 they wanted!!!), and lo and behold, right next to the cable accessory shelves was......a boatload of 7" Axion portable LCD TVs! (the model I bought from Target for $89, BB wanted $129!). I spent some time fiddling with it, they had the second relocatable antenna attached to it, and it was picking up over 10 stations loud and clear, no problem, even within a metal structured building, where I've never had much luck getting even analog signals on my old portable TVs. I'm going to be very happy with it as soon as I figure out how I'm going to hang it under my kitchen cabinets without drilling holes in the case (prolly use velcro and an old outdoor speaker hanger). And I decided last night that I'm going to split off the signal coming out of the cable converter box and hookup the new TV to that, so I won't be using the antennas at all unless I take it somewhere on a trip. So no HD, but on a screen that tiny I doubt I'll notice the difference. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 19:27:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Nov 9 19:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBEA4F35BF59sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8351032.stm > > Now THIS is the sort of person who deserves the death penalty. Absolutely > no doubt that he did it, no doubt it was premeditated. When was the last time the military executed someone? Oh, I googled, 1961, and there are six people on military death row right now. How bloody odd, for an organization that makes a living out of combat, to not execute convicted murderers? From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 9 21:00:46 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 9 21:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: We are the champions. Like, duh. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Farelf wrote in > news:hd8ono$9cg$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Like when 16 year-old West Australian schoolboy Eman Ekafasti >> split the atom in 1912. Nobody took any notice. >> > > Um what? Cite? > Reading the name backwards was the clue. Slightly cryptic, not in the same league as Ned Kelly's birthday but that's another story. And another liar. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 23:05:47 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 9 23:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBE9F9BC7471sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hd7rn1$upp$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> > I put on the neck belt with two >> 5-magnetic packs attached, with one pad on the back of my neck and one >> on the right side, and damn, those muscle spasms stopped >> after an hour or so! >> >> > > What's the theory behind that, is it attracting more blood to the area or > something? Well, kind of... they supposedly energize the nerves at the injury site and "ask for help" from the body. Your body is run by electric/magnetic field energy, so the theory behind the magnet therapy makes sense. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 23:15:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 9 23:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBEA39A05AAAsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Best Buy are ripoff merchants for a huge range of things. Did you go > elsewhere for the coax? Absolutely! I knew that $20 for a 25 ft co-ax cable was outrageous, so I went to the Lowe's next door and picked up the same cable for $9.99. I'm surprised that the antenna worked inside > their building. Are you sure it was only getting a signal via the > antenna and wasn't hooked up to their cable signal? One thing you will > notice, if you do get an HD signal, is the time delay between that and > the cable signal. It's not huge but it is noticeable (cable is delayed > because they rebroadcast it). > I carefully checked the antenna connection to make sure BB wasn't cheating, but sure enough the external antenna was the only source of signal to the TV. One of the reasons I'm hooking up the new TV to my cable box outlet signal is to prevent the delays you mention......watching TV on my PC on a raw cable feed is delayed several milliseconds from the cable box, small. but noticiable if you can hear both at once. > >> >> I'm going to be very happy with it as soon as I figure out how I'm >> going to hang it under my kitchen cabinets without drilling holes in >> the case (prolly use velcro and an old outdoor speaker hanger). > > > Doesn't it come with a mounting system of some sort? > > Nope. It's a portable TV, meant for carrying around, not for a permanent mount. I found an old exterior PC speaker moun bracket t in my basement tonite, cleaned it and repainted it, and it should work fine, assuming that it's relatively the same width as the TV. The TV is supposed to be delivered tomorrow, and I can't wait! From user at domain.invalid Tue Nov 10 00:03:36 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Nov 10 00:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > ... I wonder if those 6 committed such horrible offences > as this guy. Not as many murders, no (in 2006) - http://www.sitnews.us/0206news/020606/020606_shns_militaryex.html - though in the cases of (H)Asan Akbar and William Kreutzer (below) each gave it a solid try. In Jan 2009 there were 2 more in addition to the 7 detailed in that link: James T. Murphy (three specifications of premeditated murder, and single specifications of larceny, bigamy, and false swearing) William Kreutzer (killed one officer and wounded 17 other soldiers when he opened fire on a formation at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on October 27, 1995) Multiple offences, premeditation and a propensity to offend again as demonstrated by the timing, planning and any concealment of the offences would be major considerations I would guess. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan can't be placed on the scale just yet, not until evidence is considered, probabilities decided and motives adjudged. But cut it how you will, he is not an ornament to the the profession of psychiatry and that (his profession) could ultimately count against him. But it might be surprisingly difficult to enact the death penalty for a single incident, no matter how horrific. IMO. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 10 10:03:33 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 10 10:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait for this References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3040508&id=102270346654 What does "Wall Photos" by The Disloyal Subjects of the Mad Hatter (Disney backlot) mean, Charles? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 10 10:48:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 10 10:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait for this References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> What does "Wall Photos" by The Disloyal Subjects of the Mad Hatter >> (Disney backlot) mean, Charles? > > It means that you should look on flickr. > > > Maybe. I was taunting you and Syl both, hopefully by way of motivating y'all to express yourselves more meaningfully. as opposed to, "I'm thinking of something oh wow oh gee am I ever -- guess what it is!" -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 10 11:06:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 10 11:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait for this References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3040508&id=102270346654 > > What does "Wall Photos" by The Disloyal Subjects of the Mad Hatter > (Disney backlot) mean, Charles? wikisnip - "On July 22, 2009, a teaser trailer was released on IGN. The trailer is from the Mad Hatter's point of view. It was premiered on PerezHilton, but was shorty taken down because Disney claimed that the trailer was not supposed to be out yet. The teaser was also planned to premiere along with a trailer of Robert Zemeckis' film adaptation of A Christmas Carol on July 24, 2009 for G-Force,The following day, the teaser trailer premiered at the ComicCon but the trailer shown was different than the one that leaked. The ComicCon version didn't have the Mad Hatter's dialogue. Instead, it featured "Time to Pretend" by MGMT, and the clips shown were in different order than in the leaked version. The leaked version was originally to be shown to one of the three Facebook groups used to promote the film that had the most members. The groups used to promote the film are "The Loyal Subjects of the Red Queen", "The Loyal Subjects of the White Queen" and "The Disloyal Subjects of the Mad Hatter."[47]" http://snipurl.com/t62jw Be The First To See The ALICE IN WONDERLAND Teaser Trailer! Comic-Con http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ComicCon Venue San Diego Convention Center First held 1970 Attendance Nearly 140,000 in 2009. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 10 13:05:55 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Nov 10 13:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hdas79$1e7$1@news.spamcop.net... : Sylvesterthekat wrote: : : > : > ... I wonder if those 6 committed such horrible offences : > as this guy. : : Not as many murders, no (in 2006) - : http://www.sitnews.us/0206news/020606/020606_shns_militaryex.html - : though in the cases of (H)Asan Akbar and William Kreutzer (below) each : gave it a solid try. : : In Jan 2009 there were 2 more in addition to the 7 detailed in that link: : : James T. Murphy (three specifications of premeditated murder, and single : specifications of larceny, bigamy, and false swearing) : : William Kreutzer (killed one officer and wounded 17 other soldiers when : he opened fire on a formation at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on October : 27, 1995) : : Multiple offences, premeditation and a propensity to offend again as : demonstrated by the timing, planning and any concealment of the offences : would be major considerations I would guess. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan : can't be placed on the scale just yet, not until evidence is considered, : probabilities decided and motives adjudged. But cut it how you will, he : is not an ornament to the the profession of psychiatry and that (his : profession) could ultimately count against him. But it might be : surprisingly difficult to enact the death penalty for a single incident, : no matter how horrific. IMO. Someone recommended the "King David" solution. Basically ship him to the front, send him into harms way, and have the rest fall back. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 10 19:17:00 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Nov 10 19:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBFA4F1ADDE3sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Frog Prince" wrote in : news:hdca58$h1p$1@news.spamcop.net: : : : > Someone recommended the "King David" solution. Basically ship him to : > the front, send him into harms way, and have the rest fall back. : > : : : I think that's what started it in the first place ain't it? What are you one of those liberals that blame all of today's problems on the pervious king? From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 10 20:47:48 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 10 20:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait for this References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> What does "Wall Photos" by The Disloyal Subjects of the Mad Hatter >> (Disney backlot) mean, Charles? > You could have just clicked on it eh? No mystery involved! Nono. If you click it, you get a wall photo from an unknown to me (until I worked on it) 'group' -- a social networking site, namely the disloyal subjects of the madhatter. So, to me, it - your oblique/obscure post - is/ appears to me to be/ a commentary on/about the unknown (to many) group -- not a simplistic "I'm anxious to see Alice in Wonderland next year," some 5 months from now. So, it seems to me that if your message were "Let me say something about my feelings and anticipation about seeing Alice in Wonderland way in the future next year." -- that you would have posted a link to some blurb about, directly promoting, the movie, -- the wikipedia has a great article about it -- not to a link for a poster by one of the 3 social networking groups which I posted a link about, namely the redqueen loyals, the whitequeen loyals or the hatter disloyals. If you wanted to 'talk about' the movie coming up next year, why didn't you post a link to something about /that/, instead of a link which misses the actual movie mark by about 30 degrees, namely a link you posted about one of the 3 social networking groups which have been somehow promulgated by Disney to stir up advance fan hype for the upcoming movie? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 11 01:09:49 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 11 01:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8351032.stm > > Now THIS is the sort of person who deserves the death penalty. Absolutely > no doubt that he did it, no doubt it was premeditated. But there is doubt as to his mental state. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 11 01:11:44 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 11 01:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > When was the last time the military executed someone? Oh, I googled, 1961, > and there are six people on military death row right now. How bloody odd, > for an organization that makes a living out of combat, to not execute > convicted murderers? No U.S. military death sentence may be carried out without the express consent of the president. That may have something to do with it. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 11 10:38:39 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 11 10:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC04771918A5sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Frog Prince" wrote in : news:hdcvpu$oc6$1@news.spamcop.net: : : >: > Someone recommended the "King David" solution. Basically ship him : >: > to the front, send him into harms way, and have the rest fall back. : >: > : >: : >: : >: I think that's what started it in the first place ain't it? : > : > What are you one of those liberals that blame all of today's problems : > on the pervious king? : : Supposedly his attack was because he didn't want to be sent to war in : Afghanistan or Iraq. So your proposed solution (?) of shipping him to the : front is exactly what he was complaining about in the first place. ... Irony (from the Ancient Greek e????e?a eironeía, meaning hypocrisy, deception, or feigned ignorance) is a situation, literary or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity, discordance or unintended connection that goes beyond the most evident meaning. From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 11 12:12:38 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 11 12:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] FYI Google Gives Free Airport Wi-Fi Message-ID: http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3847946 From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Nov 11 13:41:03 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Nov 11 13:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: FYI Google Gives Free Airport Wi-Fi References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3847946 I go to 3 airports more frequently than any others; and all 3 on on that list of 47. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 20:55:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-F871F6.01114411112009@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > >> When was the last time the military executed someone? Oh, I googled, >> 1961, >> and there are six people on military death row right now. How bloody >> odd, >> for an organization that makes a living out of combat, to not execute >> convicted murderers? > > No U.S. military death sentence may be carried out without the express > consent of the president. That may have something to do with it. Not even under Bush, who had 152 executions in Texas under his belt? Odd... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 21:55:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CBF365E26FE5sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hdape0$di$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Absolutely! I knew that $20 for a 25 ft co-ax cable was outrageous, so >> I went to the Lowe's next door and picked up the same cable for $9.99. > > I wondered afterwards if you had any cheaper alternates to Best Buy around > there and thought maybe Lowe's would do it. Here, I'd go to Fry's but I > don't think you have them around there. Hah. Turns out that while I was searching my A/V cable/accessory box for a splitter and a short co-ax cable I found a brand new 25 ft co-ax cable, so now I have a spare ;-) > > Hopefully it works. Report back Agent Indigo on your mission, once it's > accomplished! Didn't arrive today, and UPS's tracking site say it should arrive between 11/11 and 11/21! WTF? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 22:11:19 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-F871F6.01114411112009@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > >> When was the last time the military executed someone? Oh, I googled, >> 1961, >> and there are six people on military death row right now. How bloody >> odd, >> for an organization that makes a living out of combat, to not execute >> convicted murderers? > > No U.S. military death sentence may be carried out without the express > consent of the president. That may have something to do with it. Any soldier who commits the horrific crimes that this guy did to "real" soldiers that dedicated their very lives to defending our country should be excecuted in the swiftest and most painful method allowed by law, IMO. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 22:13:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: what the? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC0472422610sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://raisethecloud.org/#project > > I'm having real problems trying to visualise how this thing would work and > why it would be safe. Indi, any thoughts? Too many PDFs to download to figger out WTF they're on to.... From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 11 22:27:02 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > > Any soldier who commits the horrific crimes that this guy did to "real" > soldiers that dedicated their very lives to defending our country should > be excecuted in the swiftest and most painful method allowed by law, IMO. Total sympathy for that point of view. But of course that's not the way it works. From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 11 22:31:32 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > news:dfmanno-F871F6.01114411112009@news.cesmail.net: > >> No U.S. military death sentence may be carried out without the express >> consent of the president. That may have something to do with it. >> > > I'm surprised then, that Bush didn't finish them all off (considering his > record as Governor of TX)! But then again, he was trying to appear as a > friend to the troops and their families (whilst sending them off to die). 'Sending the off to die' - that's the sad lot of the Commander-in-Chief. And one of the reasons the political leaders of most countries age in 'dog years' while they're in the saddle (and beware those who don't). From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 11 22:46:13 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Maybe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Just maybe. > > And sometimes that is good enough. > "If it were not for hopes, the heart would break." From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Nov 11 22:47:03 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Nov 11 22:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Christmas lights Message-ID: So yeah, for no other reason than to beat my neighbor, I put up a string on my fence a few minutes ago. I feel evil...and yet they are so pretty. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 11 23:21:56 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 11 23:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > Any soldier who commits the horrific crimes that this guy did to "real" > soldiers that dedicated their very lives to defending our country should be > excecuted in the swiftest and most painful method allowed by law, IMO. Do you mind if we have a trial first? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Nov 11 23:23:46 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Nov 11 23:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: In article , Farelf wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > I'm surprised then, that Bush didn't finish them all off (considering his > > record as Governor of TX)! But then again, he was trying to appear as a > > friend to the troops and their families (whilst sending them off to die). > > 'Sending the off to die' - that's the sad lot of the Commander-in-Chief. And completely unnecessary in the case of Iraq, so no sympathy for Bush. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From user at domain.invalid Thu Nov 12 11:29:08 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Nov 12 11:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Maybe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > "Peace is punk rock." Are you serious? I wouldn't count on it. Chocolate, on the other hand, should be excellent for quelling riots and insurrection. That would be a start. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Nov 12 12:27:53 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Nov 12 12:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Christmas lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in news:hdg0ff$p3t$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> So yeah, for no other reason than to beat my neighbor, I put up a string >> on my fence a few minutes ago. I feel evil...and yet they are so pretty. >> > > Oh jeeze, you're like one of the neighbours across the street. No sooner > had they taken down their halloween stuff than they put up their christmas > lights! You should be beaten with a stick young man! > > Had to laugh at this > > http://failblog.org/2009/11/03/holiday-lighting-win/ Or this: http://www.imagepoop.com/image/1893/Jesus-WTF-Window-Christmas-Lights.html From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 13:11:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 12 13:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Maybe References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC178936B97DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Farelf ! >> Charles wrote: >>> >>> "Peace is punk rock." >> >> Are you serious? I wouldn't count on it. Chocolate, on the other hand, >> should be excellent for quelling riots and insurrection. That would be >> a start. > > It's what my eldest said when asked what peace was. Doesn't seem like > such > a bad answer if you asked me! Although some Indie and barebones rock has been mislabelled punk rock, generally Punk Rock (along with rap) generally makes me feel murderous. From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Nov 12 14:55:51 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Nov 12 15:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > Do you mind if we have a trial first? > > Yes. It costs money and delays what he deserves. I find the whole mental > illness defence to be rather dissatisfactory on the whole, especially in a > case like this. Now if it was someone driven to distraction by a particular > person, constantly beaten or cruelly treated by them until they finally > break and lash out, resulting in a death, then that's one thing. To pre- > meditatedly and deliberately dispose of your stuff and then buy a gun and > go out and take aim at your fellow soldiers is arguably the result of a > calculated and stable state of mind, one with a purpose. There comes a > point where you have to make someone accountable for their actions and IMO, > this guy is a case in point. You don't want justice, you want revenge, and revenge is not worthy of a civilized justice system. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst." (Alfred Lubrano, author) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 18:03:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-A6EC04.14555112112009@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >> > Do you mind if we have a trial first? >> >> Yes. It costs money and delays what he deserves. I find the whole mental .... > > You don't want justice, you want revenge, and revenge is not worthy of a > civilized justice system. You're right, but all justice systems are built to some extent to extract revenge, in particular to be seen to extract it. The reason is that regardless of how civilized we believe we are vigilantism will overtake the public safety and justice systems if justice is not seen to take it's piece of hide at least some (enough for some value of enough) of the time. Vigilantism is usually more dangerous for everyone overall than criminality or a somewhat unjust justice system usually is . From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 12 18:13:52 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Nov 12 18:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Fed changes overdraft rules References: Message-ID: Odd but they have months to adapt to the new rules but take a day or so to find ways to stick it to WeThePeople otherwise. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/11/12/Fed-changes-overdraft-rules/UPI-54281258056291/ WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 (UPI) -- The U.S. Federal Reserve has closed the option for banks to charge overdrafts fees on two common transactions unless the consumer agrees to allow the fees. The rule changes announced by the Federal Reserve Board Thursday include overdrafts resulting from automated teller machine withdrawals and one-time debit card transactions. Effective July 1, 2010, banks not be allowed to charge the fees unless consumers agree in advance. Consumers don't have to opt out of the fees, they have to opt in to the service, which normally includes a fee. 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Return the new one for a refund. > Oh, I'll just keep it, I only paid $10 for it, never know when you might need a hunk of co-ax. >> Didn't arrive today, and UPS's tracking site say it should arrive >> between 11/11 and 11/21! WTF? >> > > ARGH, how irritating! Doesn't the UPS site say where it is? If you paid > for > expedited shipping I'd be onto Target and ask them WTF is going on. I didn't pay for expedited shipping, that would have wiped out all of the money I saved on the special sale price! Anyway, it showed up about an hour ago, time to go unpack it and hook it up (crosses fingers). Side topic: I got the results of my new cervical MRI today, confirms mild herniation of the C6-7 disk and bone spurs, I barely understand what the report says, which is: "C6-C7: There is a small posterocentral and right-sided disk protrusion or disk-osteophyte complex which causes extradural flattening of the anteroright lateral surface of the thecal sac and mild attenuation of the right-sided nerve root. IMPRESSION: 2. MILD-TO-MODERATE C6-C7 SPONDYLOSIS WITH ATTENUATION OF THE RIGHT SIDED NERVE ROOT I know what spondylosis is, it means that the C6-C7 vertebrae are not aligned, in this case one is pushed _forward_ compared to the other one. The MRIs I had in 2007 showed "retrospondylosis" of C6-C7, which means that one of them pushed _backwards_ in respect to the other. So they've shifted, and forward is better than backward, because backward means spinal cord compression. Why my PTs and chiropractor haven't been able to notice and fix this is a question, perhaps because the dislocation is only about 2 mm, which sounds small but can have huge implications. And I know what the word "attenuation" is, it means a dampening of the signal in electronic terms. How it's applied medically, I dunno....but the presence of the spurs certainly explains why I sometimes have a sharp stabbing pain in the right side of my neck where C6-C7 are located (about the middle of the neck). Nearly all of my therapists practice some form of cranial-sacro therapy, where they pull up on the base of my skull, in essence providing a form of temporary traction. Sometimes the effect is instant and overwhelming, like a warm tingling flow of energy being released from my skull down to my toes as the pressure on some pinched nerve is released. So I bought a home traction device from my ortho clinic, it hangs on the top of a door and has straps for your chin and the base of your skull that the counterweight pulls on -- which is just a big plastic bag you fill with water, a recipe for disaster for me! I'm going to either find some chunks of metal or wood in my basement that have the equivalent weight (between 7-14 lbs), use a gallon jug of water, or couple of 2-liter soda bottles filled with water so I don't risk a big spill. Looks like rest, traction, and continued PT to stop the constant nerve irritation/muscle spasm cycle is the only way it's going to get better -- the herniation is too small right now for any doctor to be willing to operate on, and I DON'T WANT ANOTHER NECK SURGERY!!!! And to top it off, tomorrow I start stage 2 of my lyme treatment with monocycline, which should cause a massive herx reaction in the beginning, which will luckily make me feel so bad that I won't want to any kind of physical activity anyway, so my neck will appreciate what the rest of my body is going thru during the detox process. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 21:19:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 12 21:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Geez, I'm such a mechanical geek.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC1AB233193Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hdi7ou$l33$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I didn't pay for expedited shipping, that would have wiped out all of >> the money I saved on the special sale price! Anyway, it showed up >> about an hour ago, time to go unpack it and hook it up (crosses >> fingers). >> > > Cool, I shall await your report! It's charging now, I got sidetracked doing other stuff, shall have to await until tomorrow to see how it works. > > LOL yeah, you and water don't seem to mix. A gallon or two of milk jugs > filled with water should do the trick and easy to tie on. Just don't > hang yourself with it! Well, not just water, it's me and my brain fog, the temporary motor control loss of my hands, and ANY liquid ;-) From user at domain.invalid Thu Nov 12 22:17:28 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Nov 12 22:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: can't wait to hear what this piece of crap has to say In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfmanno-A6EC04.14555112112009@news.cesmail.net... >> >> You don't want justice, you want revenge, and revenge is not worthy of a >> civilized justice system. > > You're right, but all justice systems are built to some extent to > extract revenge, in particular to be seen to extract it. The reason is > that regardless of how civilized we believe we are vigilantism will > overtake the public safety and justice systems if justice is not seen to > take it's piece of hide at least some (enough for some value of enough) > of the time. Vigilantism is usually more dangerous for everyone overall > than criminality or a somewhat unjust justice system usually is. I think/have been programmed to believe that justice requires perfect impartiality (hence 'blind justice') and that the legal system has at its very heart the elimination of the revenge motive. Generations of reluctant scholars were obliged to study Bacon's 'Essays' (1625) but no more. Sir Francis was (or had been) at the centre of the judicial system. His thoughts on matters of justice have a certain gravitas which might be overlooked these days, despite their relevance to the philosophy and foundations of 'the law'. In essay iv, 'Of Revenge', he says, "Revenge is a kind of wild justice, which the more man's nature runs to, the more ought the law to weed it out. For as for the first wrong, it doth but offend the law; but the revenge of that wrong putteth the law out of office." At that time the barbarity of 'trial by combat' was several centuries in the past (notwithstanding the continuing instances of the semi-sanctioned duel for centuries to come) and the appalled memories of a more savage kind of justice were stronger in those times than they are for us. Which didn't prevent 'the law' itself in those times taking an extremely robust line on such matters as interrogation and confession (when they pressed a man for an answer in those days the term was quite literal). But I digress. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Nov 13 10:00:05 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Nov 13 10:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her one! A lot of people don't remember their dreams so much. http://www.lucidity.com/NL11.DreamRecall.html How To Remember Your Dreams http://www.wikihow.com/Remember-Dreams With conscious effort, however, you can remember more of your dreams and recall them in greater detail.- Steps - <15 point list + 9 point tips list + 2 warnings including 1 regarding care in interpreting dreams> http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-remember-dreams How to Remember Dreams - Expert Tips http://snipr.com/t7v54 -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Fri Nov 13 12:42:27 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Nov 13 12:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Charles wrote: >> OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her > one! > > A lot of people don't remember their dreams so much. > > http://www.lucidity.com/NL11.DreamRecall.html How To Remember Your > Dreams > http://www.wikihow.com/Remember-Dreams With conscious effort, > however, you can remember more of your dreams and recall them in greater > detail.- Steps -<15 point list + 9 point tips list + 2 warnings > including 1 regarding care in interpreting dreams> > http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-remember-dreams How to Remember > Dreams - Expert Tips > http://snipr.com/t7v54 millions of hits> > > As a spin off from remembering dreams you can control what happens in the dreams too, with a bit of practice. I tried that for a while but lost interest when I got a life. Now I'm back to mostly not remembering dreams. But I sometimes wake myself out of a particularly boring dream. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 13 19:15:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Irony References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC264E003A8DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... "It's like goldy and bronzy, except it's made of iron" - Baldrick From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 13 19:15:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC24F36E71AATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her one! You and Indi. Give her THAT one. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 13 19:18:52 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 13 19:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Well, really, what did we expect? Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/13/us/politics/AP-US-Palin-Book-Fact-Check.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from the 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time. Ignoring substantial parts of her record if not the facts, she depicts herself as a frugal traveler on the taxpayer's dime, a reformer without ties to powerful interests and a politician roguishly indifferent to high ambition. Palin goes adrift, at times, on more contemporary issues, too. She criticizes President Barack Obama for pushing through a bailout package that actually was achieved by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush -- a package she seemed to support at the time. From user at domain.invalid Fri Nov 13 22:00:17 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Nov 13 22:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/13/us/politics/AP-US-Palin-Book-Fact-Check.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from the > 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time. Waaal, at least she didn't make claim to dodging sniper fire in Bosnia (I'm sure if Sarah claimed to have done that in Boston most people would believe it). I think I would.:) From joegill at removethis Sat Nov 14 11:12:22 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Nov 14 11:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC24F36E71AATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her one! Shoot...forget about making one up.... Try this.. 1) Have a very spicy ethnic meal of your choice... Make sure it capture the full spiciness 2) Follow up with a dessert of some sort of Chocolate 3) If you imbibe. follow up with a little booze..... Leave a notepad by bedside..... Write down all when you first wake up! From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 14 14:51:17 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 14 14:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > "Charles" >> OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her >> one! > > Shoot...forget about making one up.... > Try this.. > 1) Have a very spicy ethnic meal of your choice... Make sure it capture > the full spiciness > 2) Follow up with a dessert of some sort of Chocolate > 3) If you imbibe. follow up with a little booze..... > > Leave a notepad by bedside..... > Write down all when you first wake up! Eating a whole bunch of ginger snaps at bedtime always worked well for me. :-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 14 17:19:23 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 14 17:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hdn1ni$d8f$1@news.spamcop.net... : Joe Gill wrote: : > "Charles" : >> OK. I'm seeing a Jungian. She wants dreams. Well, let's give her : >> one! : > : > Shoot...forget about making one up.... : > Try this.. : > 1) Have a very spicy ethnic meal of your choice... Make sure it : capture : > the full spiciness : > 2) Follow up with a dessert of some sort of Chocolate : > 3) If you imbibe. follow up with a little booze..... : > : > Leave a notepad by bedside..... : > Write down all when you first wake up! : : Eating a whole bunch of ginger snaps at bedtime always worked well for : me. :-) Nothing I've ever eaten has had any noticeable effect on my dream. Not eating, other hand, has induces dreams of eating. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 14 18:06:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 14 18:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hdl6g0$n2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/13/us/politics/AP-US-Palin-Book-Fact-Check.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 >> >> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from >> the >> 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time. > > Waaal, at least she didn't make claim to dodging sniper fire in Bosnia > (I'm sure if Sarah claimed to have done that in Boston most people would > believe it). I think I would.:) > Sheesh, it was sniper fire in Juno wasn't it? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 14 18:21:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 14 18:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Let's make up a dream... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hdnani$ghd$1@news.spamcop.net... > Nothing I've ever eaten has had any noticeable effect on my dream. Not > eating, other hand, has induces dreams of eating. > I rarely dream about food, but I often dream about things that I fell asleep thinking about....specifically special women from my past. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 14 20:37:42 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 14 20:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! Message-ID: http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 14 22:12:24 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 14 22:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > "Farelf" wrote in message > news:hdl6g0$n2t$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Waaal, at least she didn't make claim to dodging sniper fire in Bosnia >> (I'm sure if Sarah claimed to have done that in Boston most people would >> believe it). I think I would.:) >> > > Sheesh, it was sniper fire in Juno wasn't it? > LOL, well imagine how much worse in Boston (or whatever place you can think she might have been the least popular). Mind you, she looked positively brilliant in comparison to our political leaders in Oz. But don't send her down here - she'd miss her moose. Maybe water buffalo would do. What's she like with something in the 30-06 class? Most women get a little bit twitchy with anything over the .270 Win though that would do the job (especially from a helicopter). Just maybe a trifle light for 'face to face' is all. IMO. Most people lie about how much gun they can handle. Size matters. But not as much as shot placement and projectile design. Maybe we would swap her for KRudd. She'd have to learn Mandarin though (does absolutely nothing for foreign relations but impresses the hell out of the press corps). Or maybe Indonesian. Jalan^2 di loreng masok. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 14 23:03:49 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 14 23:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Maybe water buffalo would do. What's she like with something in the > 30-06 class? Most women get a little bit twitchy with anything over the > .270 Win though that would do the job (especially from a helicopter). All this gun talk reminds me of an article somewhere, maybe it was Slate, about how many rounds we should expect Hasan to be able to get off in 7 minutes. It was theoretical but amazing. I tho't the reported hundred was a lot (as in hard to do); but it couldabeen 5000ish in theory. Let me find a reference for that little beauty.... http://www.slate.com/id/2235051/ How Many Times Can You Shoot a Handgun in Seven Minutes? http://snipurl.com/t8swj FN USA FiveseveN 5.7 x 28mm Pistol with Adjustable Sights, Black Frame and Slide -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 14 23:33:15 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 14 23:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Maybe water buffalo would do. ... interesting story about the water (swamp) buffalo in Australia, past and present. Introduction, feral destructiveness, brucellosis/tb problem, hunting & culling, crossbreeds currently used for milk, hunting programs on Melville I. & other Top End locales. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 00:23:43 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 00:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: ... > > Let me find a reference for that little beauty.... > > http://www.slate.com/id/2235051/ How Many Times Can You Shoot a Handgun > in Seven Minutes? http://snipurl.com/t8swj FN USA FiveseveN 5.7 x 28mm > Pistol with Adjustable Sights, Black Frame and Slide > > Thanks, I haven't heard of the Herstal Five-seven before. Smaller caliber/calibre means greater susceptibility to fouling but modern ammunition technology and (say) 500 rounds should be no problem. Small cal. high(er) velocity pistol rounds have a fearsome rep. for lethality (relative to the 9mm parabellum round) which is hard to figure but seems borne-out by the 'results'. Speaks volumes as to the degree of planning, consideration, premeditation to my mind. From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 00:42:00 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 00:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > ... interesting story about the water (swamp) buffalo in Australia, past > and present. Introduction, feral destructiveness, brucellosis/tb > problem, hunting& culling, crossbreeds currently used for milk, hunting > programs on Melville I.& other Top End locales. > Seems *every* animal, bug or bacillus ever introduced into Australia turns out to be a disaster (generally fragile environments for a variety of reasons). Whatever, the buffs are about the only dangerous 'game' to be found. Apart from the saltwater crocs which do quite well in fresh water too and are surprisingly fast on dry land as well due to the crocodilian trick of jacking their bodies up for running. And they grow *huge*. But you're not allowed to shoot those, they're protected. I think you're supposed to let them eat you instead. So they're spreading, they have pretty-much reclaimed all of their pre-European settlement habitat now (and more, maybe). But at least they're keeping the sharks down, in the seas. Sharks are protected too. And they eat people too. But not lawyers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sierakowski (I will say it again, "professional courtesy"). Maybe 'salties' eat lawyers. We shall see. From me at privacy.net Sun Nov 15 12:02:06 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Sun Nov 15 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hdnm88$kp3$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 > > > That photo looked familiar. Another department where I worked used the 1401. The Engineering operation I was in charge of used an IBM 1620. A couple of fond memories are when the IBM repair man came out to replace the "zero" type bar in its typewriter (that was our hard copy output machine.) The typewriter kept throwing the detached type bar heads across the room because most of our output contained a huge number of zeros that wore out that type bar. Later typewriters had a ball instead of type bars bar. Another was when he was trying to find what caused a "check stop" (BSoD of that era), watching him pull out the circuit board "cards" (they were about the size of a playing card [the IC of that era]) and exchanging them while I was forcing the computer to check stop. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 15 19:46:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 15 19:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hdnrin$ml8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Maybe water buffalo would do. What's she like with something in the 30-06 > class? Any woman who can handle a 30 ought 6 rifle round has my respect......athletically/phsyically speaking, that is.....friend of mine's wife keeps a .357 magnum revolver for home protection when he's not around, shooting that thing almost broke my wrists the first time I fired it....wasn't prepared for such a kick vs. a regular 9 mm pistol round, which I was used to..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 15 19:48:28 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 15 19:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hdnuj2$nmh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Farelf wrote: > >> Maybe water buffalo would do. What's she like with something in the >> 30-06 class? Most women get a little bit twitchy with anything over > the >> .270 Win though that would do the job (especially from a helicopter). > > All this gun talk reminds me of an article somewhere, maybe it was > Slate, about how many rounds we should expect Hasan to be able to get > off in 7 minutes. It was theoretical but amazing. I tho't the reported > hundred was a lot (as in hard to do); but it couldabeen 5000ish in > theory. > > Let me find a reference for that little beauty.... > > http://www.slate.com/id/2235051/ How Many Times Can You Shoot a Handgun > in Seven Minutes? http://snipurl.com/t8swj FN USA FiveseveN 5.7 x 28mm > Pistol with Adjustable Sights, Black Frame and Slide > > And how many were on target at that rate of fire? > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 15 20:01:40 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 15 20:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hdo38t$p9q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Thanks, I haven't heard of the Herstal Five-seven before. Smaller > caliber/calibre means greater susceptibility to fouling but modern > ammunition technology and (say) 500 rounds should be no problem. Small > cal. high(er) velocity pistol rounds have a fearsome rep. for lethality > (relative to the 9mm parabellum round) which is hard to figure but seems > borne-out by the 'results'. Speaks volumes as to the degree of planning, > consideration, premeditation to my mind. Goes back to the slower velocity 7.62 (mm) AK round vs. the high velocity 0.223 M16 round argument. The larger round has more stopping power, is more likely to be a thru-and-thru shot, and with a well aimed shot it's game over for the target. The smaller round "tumbles" once it hits flesh, causing immense internal damage, but may not kill the target until a few days afterwards. It's a very complicated decision on what caliber round to use, it varies between situations like street fights vs. long range warfare. The AK has a very limited range and accuracy, while the M16 has superior accuracy and range. That's why some of the newest assault rifles in development have interchangeable barrels so the soldier can adapt the round size and barrel length to his current situation. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 15 20:04:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 15 20:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC4C1BDBD04FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Oh! Come find me! > Come back my love > For 10 things I find again > I only have one love Erm....for your family's sake, I hope you're not referring to your recently deceased ex..... From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 22:45:01 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 22:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:hdnuj2$nmh$1@news.spamcop.net... >> All this gun talk reminds me of an article somewhere, maybe it was >> Slate, about how many rounds we should expect Hasan to be able to get >> off in 7 minutes. It was theoretical but amazing. I tho't the reported >> hundred was a lot (as in hard to do); but it couldabeen 5000ish in >> theory. >> >> Let me find a reference for that little beauty.... >> >> http://www.slate.com/id/2235051/ How Many Times Can You Shoot a Handgun >> in Seven Minutes? http://snipurl.com/t8swj FN USA FiveseveN 5.7 x 28mm >> Pistol with Adjustable Sights, Black Frame and Slide >> >> > > And how many were on target at that rate of fire? >> -- Out of an estimated 100 rounds there were (IIUC) 42 injured and 13 killed (55% + multiple hits, 24% of the individuals hit were killed). That would be phenomenal precision in a melee and speaks of an extraordinary degree of discipline or detachment by the shooter, and a fair amount of training/practice IMO. Arthur Bryant - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia) or http://snipurl.com/t9a5m fired 29 rounds in a confined area, killing 20 people in 1.5-2 minutes (of which 12 were killed and 10 wounded in the first 15 seconds, some by 'through shots') - in total he killed 35 and wounded 21. But he was 'exceptional' and more heavily armed with a whole bag of weapons and ammunition. From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 22:54:56 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 22:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > > Any woman who can handle a 30 ought 6 rifle round has my > respect......athletically/phsyically speaking, that is.....friend of > mine's wife keeps a .357 magnum revolver for home protection when he's > not around, shooting that thing almost broke my wrists the first time I > fired it....wasn't prepared for such a kick vs. a regular 9 mm pistol > round, which I was used to..... Heh, I was a gun dealer once, took a new .357 Mag Ruger Security Six, 4.5 inch barrel, out to the local pistol club for the members to have a play. They were used to .38 SPL, firing the loaded-down wadcutter target rounds. Oh, the howls of anguish! "It hurt my hand!" "It hurt my ears!" and so-on. I handed it to my uncle Bob on another occasion, he a tough old farmer but he'd never fired a pistol before. "Watch the kick," I warned him, thinking of the pistol experts it had 'surprised'. *BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM* "What kick?" he asked. From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 23:08:24 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 23:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Dude - it's just a really cool song. Sheesh! Is that the one with the line about how the dog misses her? "You know your dog Misses you I mean, he cries every night Since you're gone Come back to him or me But I beg you Come back to your house" Yep, stirring stuff right enough (and I thought all those puppies were just howling at the moon - a new world of desolation has opened to me). Plaisir d'amour Ne dure qu'un moment ... well, I already knew that one Chagrin d'amour dure toute La vie ee ee ee From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 10:08:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Nov 16 10:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Momma... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC45A8EBE244TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > "We should put a Christmas tree up!" > "Why?" > "Target has Christmas trees up!" > Charles, Have you considered a twitter account ? From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 12:13:40 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 12:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was Farelf! > >> Is that the one with the line about how the dog misses her? > > Um. No. Every line, but the chorus, is about having lost something. Ah, not Christian Delagrange then. Tu sais que ton chien S'ennuie de toi J'entends, il pleure chaque nuit Depuis que tu es partie Reviens, pour lui ou pour moi Mais je t'en prie Reviens chez toi I may be warped but even the original cracks me up. > >> a new world of desolation has opened to me > > Huh. And I was just getting my feet back on the ground. Well, hey, it's > all good. Really. (You feel better, now, don't you?) I don't mind so much *observing* desolation (living it is different). Joy is better. Glad you're on the way back. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 14:24:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Momma... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC56EBD53C64TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bar0" ! > >> Charles, Have you considered a twitter account ? > > Isn't twitter like so yesterday? Or, hmm. Maybe... Just for the kids... > Hmm... Well usenet is, like, so prehistoric. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 14:41:14 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 14:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > You're warped 'cause you understand French? I suppose... Yeah. Things > like that have been a problem in the states... No, no. Because the sentiment is just so off-key and it's not just some subtle 'language' thing. Paraphrasing: "Come back to me. Or to the dog. It doesn't matter which." That's so bad it's hilarious. Makes me wanna howOwowlll.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 18:51:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 16 18:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Unbelievable story on LTD termination Message-ID: Doctor Says Insurer's Video of Disabled Man Eating Taco Chip 'Means Nothing' The Hartford Reinstated Disabled Man's Benefits After Being Contacted by 'GMA' http://tinyurl.com/y9ptbp8 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 19:51:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Nov 16 19:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Momma... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC59320C64B9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bar0" ! > >> Well usenet is, like, so prehistoric. > > Oh? Dude - mine has a GUI. This is light-years ahead of how I was doing > it in '90! You didn't have a gui in '90? Don't tell me you were using an "IBM Compatibal" From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 20:51:42 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 20:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > So you're warped because the sentiment is off key? Like a sheep night > light? Warped if its just me. But (excitement!) sheep night lights? Where? A (modest) fortune might be made retailing those to the shaky isles, aka New Zealand. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 21:22:38 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 21:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > H?las! Doesn't look like they sell them any longer! At least, not that I > can find. I can find examples for you... > > Of course, this craigslist listing could expire at any time... Look > quickly! I looked. Magic, so wrong it's just right. Oh well, it would have to be a whole new manufacturing run anyway I suppose (voltages, plugs ... standards approvals/verification ...). It was *such* a good idea in my head. If I had a friend in NZ I could at least send them a pic. Oddly enough I don't seem to have a friend in NZ. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 21:54:10 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 21:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Farelf wrote in > news:hdl6g0$n2t$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Waaal, at least she didn't make claim to dodging sniper fire in Bosnia >> (I'm sure if Sarah claimed to have done that in Boston most people >> would believe it). I think I would.:) >> >> > > oh well that makes it ok then Whoa, you've been doing a bit of speed reading to catch up on the threads have you? Thought I'd gotten away with that one . No, it makes it a wry piece of social commentary, the 'smiley' sort of intending to convey that a bit. I generally kid that I loathe all politicians but deep down I try not to 'demonize' people I don't know. I did that once (to a whole country-full of 'em), slightly different thing but boy it's corrosive to the 'soul' and you don't even know what's happened to you until you somehow confront it. Scary. But maybe that's just me. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 22:00:45 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 22:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Farelf! > >> Oddly enough I don't seem to have a friend in NZ. > > Well, I might (you never know) go there on a job someday. And then you > could send me a picture. Or Kerry, he's a world traveler. Maybe. And, > heck, we seem friendly enough. Unless we're not. Of course we are. Hmmm ... Save pictue as ... My documents ... My Pictures ... 3k63pf3of5Q55Pb5Rd9bf33b8659e791d1fa2.jpg (yep, should be able to remember that ...). And when/if you get there, just remember 'sex' is 'the whole number after five.' There have been misunderstandings ... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 23:29:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Nov 16 23:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Momma... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC5D50946D3BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "bar0" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9CC59320C64B9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >>> It wasn't me! It was "Bar0" ! >>> >>>> Well usenet is, like, so prehistoric. >>> >>> Oh? Dude - mine has a GUI. This is light-years ahead of how I was >>> doing it in '90! >> >> You didn't have a gui in '90? Don't tell me you were using an "IBM >> Compatibal" > > We're talking usenet, right? News? On an IBM? Wha? No. I wasn't. I > was using a vt220 xterm to read the news. At least, at school I was. At > home I was using a MacIIsi running A/UX - connected to school over my > 14.4k > modem (with a firmware update sometimes I could hit 19k baud) via some > kind > of vt terminal. All kinds of text going on! Not much in the way of GUI, > no! Hmmm, my Sparc 1's had a newsreader gui (BSD SunOS4) And by 92, Rennaissance, which had a newsreader. and I seem to remember whatever newsreader on the vax that was used with gopher also had a primitive vax style menus gui. And then I got an Amiga. Thank god I didn't have to touch a PC until W95 came out. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 17 13:37:11 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Nov 17 13:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 Check out the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Process: http://www.moonviews.com/ They're taking boxes and boxes of data tapes form the mid-1960's Lunar Orbiter and recovering the data on them with a refurbished 1960's tape drive. (And they just got a second drive on line.) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 17 14:40:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 17 14:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Yee-Haw! Finally Got it Fixed! Message-ID: I had a cervical MRI last week to see if the bone spurs I use to have in my neck had returned and were causing the sharp stabbing pain in the right side of my neck since about the end of July. The MRI confirmed that they were back, and pinching the nerve bundle on the right side of my neck at the C6-7 level, which is right below the disk I had replaced in 2005. I've been taking oral colchicine for over a month now to try to dissolve the spurs, and the "sharpness" of the pain has dulled, but my neck muscles are still susceptible to going into spasm if stressed, which happens nearly once a week, no matter how careful I try to be. For instance, I totally wrecked my neck and back on Sunday because I grabbed too many wet clothes out of the washer in one clench, using only my right hand (to protect my left elbow), and the strain of pulling them up out of the washer caused the muscles on the entire right side of my body, from my neck to my hips, to instantly go into spasm. Luckily I was able to get a long deep tissue massage last night that relieved most of the muscle spasms -- she said I had a huge knot in the trapezious/rhomboid muscles on my right side that was nearly 4" long and visibly sticking up above the rest of the surrounding tissue! The MRI also showed that my C6/C7 vertebrae were misaligned, one was pushed out in front of the other, in effect pullling on the surrounding neck tissues, muscles, and nerve bundles -- an MRI I had in Jan 2007 showed the same thing, but my old chiropractor never tried to fix it because she was too scared to go anywhere near my surgically repaired disk. I finally saw my new chiropractor this morning, turns out she knows some new tricks, and she was able to re-align the two vertebrae. WHOOPIE!! I can't wait to see how this effects my recent neck problems, it should make a huge difference. She also adjusted the C1 vertebrae at the base of my skull, which was rotated out of position (again), and when she popped that one back into place it made the loudest multiple cracking sounds I've heard in all the years I've been seeing chiropractors! And I've had that bugger adjusted many times over the last couple of years, but never experienced anything like that -- I instantly felt an intense flow of tingly warmth flood down from my head to my toes as the pressure on my spinal cord and lymph system was released, the feeling was amazing. Guess she used a different technique from what my old chiropractor used to use.....but I really don't care as to the how's/what's of her methods....all I care about are the results, and damn, I am one happy camper right now! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 17 15:40:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 17 15:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Unbelievable story on LTD termination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC65B43413Fsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > I'm reading a book at the moment called The Predictioneer's Game which is > about Game Theory. The author is an expert in manipulating situations and > predicting how people are going to behave in certain situations. He talks > about a situation where one power company had contracted with another to > provide power at a certain rate. Well in the meantime, the price went sky > high on the spot market and they refused to supply the power at the agreed > upon price. It went to court but eventually the plaintiff caved in and > accepted a renegotiation of the deal because the long drawn out and > expensive process of litigating the matter would have negated any gains > made by demanding the original contract price and they needed the power > NOW > so the sneaks won and got more money for their power. How long ago did that happen? That's outrageous! Futures contracts and "hedging costs" are one of the most important ways a corporation can control their revenues and profits -- if you allow even ONE company to renege you open the floodgates. I can't believe that utility couldn't get an emergency stay court order to force the defendant to honor the contract while the whole thing worked it's way through the court system. Sounds like it happened in California....... I thought our laws always protect the alleged damaged party first and foremost? Like a restraining order, for instance -- you can get one of those pretty easily, then the defendant/stalker/wife beater has to show in court at a FUTURE date that the order was issued incorrectly. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 10:15:23 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 15:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Unbelievable story on LTD termination References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hdsohg$fn0$1@news.spamcop.net... > Doctor Says Insurer's Video of Disabled Man Eating > Taco Chip 'Means Nothing' > > The Hartford Reinstated Disabled Man's Benefits After > Being Contacted by 'GMA' > > http://tinyurl.com/y9ptbp8 Much more common than you think. Including creative staging and editing of videos From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 19:18:34 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Momma... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC45A8EBE244TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > "We should put a Christmas tree up!" > "Why?" > "Target has Christmas trees up!" > Always remember Ain't nobody happy if momma aint happy. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 19:26:14 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:40:10 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:hdpc6i$8t3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:hdnm88$kp3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 >> >> >> > > That photo looked familiar. Another department where I worked used the > 1401. > > The Engineering operation I was in charge of used an IBM 1620. > > A couple of fond memories are when the IBM repair man came out to replace > the "zero" type bar in its typewriter (that was our hard copy output > machine.) The typewriter kept throwing the detached type bar heads across > the room because most of our output contained a huge number of zeros that > wore out that type bar. Later typewriters had a ball instead of type bars > bar. > > Another was when he was trying to find what caused a "check stop" (BSoD of > that era), watching him pull out the circuit board "cards" (they were > about the size of a playing card [the IC of that era]) and exchanging them > while I was forcing the computer to check stop. We had a 'new' IBM360 and a load of new staff to make it run. One young guy was a bit spooky and we had him convinced the new machine was sentiment. I worked late one night and the machine shut down everything in the place. I went over ticked a few keys got a print out and went over and swapped some boxes. Came to work the next day and the guy was out on the side walk. Seems someone had run that retune, the machine shut down and the old boy did the box switch and starter it up again. 'Bout 15 min later it shut down again and the guy did the key bit only to get a print out to the effect "You do damn fine work". According to the director the machine was idle from 3AM till. From user at domain.invalid Tue Nov 17 19:40:15 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Nov 17 19:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > eh wot? i took it to be a stab at hillary Could be taken that way - compare and contrast was the theme, sorta. > > speaking of palin though, i watched her on oprah yesterday and she came > across as much better than during the campaign. i still wouldn't vote > for her but she wasn't such a moron at least. Yeah, amazing how people's brains grow when they're not in the race. Well, some of them. > > Which country did you demonize? > You *are* an inquisitive little kitty, aren't you? Indonesia. From user at domain.invalid Tue Nov 17 20:03:16 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Reviens mon amour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was Farelf! > >> just remember 'sex' is 'the whole number after five.' > > I'm all over that one. I had this Swedish girlfriend... She had a bathing > suit with numbers on it. 1, 2, 3, etc. 2 and 6 were strategically placed. > LOL, in fact ROFL - "Now thet's sux." Apart from the accent you would need to come to grips with the dialect as well - http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwi.htm (not to worry, it is multi-purpose, as the page notes "Many words and phrases listed here are common to both New Zealand, Great Britain and Australia ..." though the use of "both" to include three objects *is* a bit of a worry). From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Wed Nov 18 16:36:32 2009 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Wed Nov 18 16:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > OK so what is the consensus here on when you're supposed to move over to > the right if an emergency vehicle is approaching with lights on and sirens > going? Obviously if you're travelling in the same direction then you > definitely need to pull over to the right. But what if you're on a wide > street with multiple lanes and the ambulance is coming from the opposite > direction with nothing on its side of the road to impede progress? I looked > at the CA DMV's site and it doesn't specify that if you're travelling in > either direction you should move over to the right, only that you should > "yield the right of way". > > Yesterday I had passed the scene of an accident and was continuing on > southbound. An ambulance was approaching from the opposite direction on a > clear street. The guy in front of me moved over to the right and stopped > and since there was no apparent reason not to, I just continued on my way > because I was in no way obstructing the ambulance. The guy who had pulled > over honked at me as I went by, obviously enraged by my temerity in using > logic to decide that there was no reasonable need for me to do the same. > Now had the ambulance needed to cross into opposing traffic to continue on > its way then I'd have moved over but this was not the case. > > Any thoughts? If you're on a divided road (with a medium curb or strip), you do not need to move over. Otherwise, move it, and give the driver as many options as possible to get there quickly and safely. -JW From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 18 16:36:02 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 18 16:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC785663AA85sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > OK so what is the consensus here on when you're supposed to move over to > the right if an emergency vehicle is approaching with lights on and sirens > going? Obviously if you're travelling in the same direction then you > definitely need to pull over to the right. But what if you're on a wide > street with multiple lanes and the ambulance is coming from the opposite > direction with nothing on its side of the road to impede progress? I > looked > at the CA DMV's site and it doesn't specify that if you're travelling in > either direction you should move over to the right, only that you should > "yield the right of way". > > Yesterday I had passed the scene of an accident and was continuing on > southbound. An ambulance was approaching from the opposite direction on a > clear street. The guy in front of me moved over to the right and stopped > and since there was no apparent reason not to, I just continued on my way > because I was in no way obstructing the ambulance. The guy who had pulled > over honked at me as I went by, obviously enraged by my temerity in using > logic to decide that there was no reasonable need for me to do the same. > Now had the ambulance needed to cross into opposing traffic to continue on > its way then I'd have moved over but this was not the case. > > Any thoughts? Not talking law as LEO can make the offense fit if they see fit. I my experience it's best to get out of the way and let the emergency vehicle make up it's own mind. Good example is a hook and ladder truck. If the guy in the back falls off or otherwise looses control you're much better (way) out of the way. As for me and mine there no place I need to be that urgently that a few min. spent out of the way would make a difference unless it's as a passenger of said emergency vehicle in which case I'd kinda appreciated the option of all the room on the road. From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 18 16:53:26 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 18 16:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Farelf wrote in news:hdvfpf$cbb$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> >> You *are* an inquisitive little kitty, aren't you? Indonesia. >> > > Uh oh, does this mean my imminent demise? You know what they say about > curiosity and the cat. No, if you stop now you're safe. Which is good, the world *needs* people like you who don't get mixed up between imminent immanent eminent as I do. I used to be okay on it, until some fiend wrote them all down together and I read it and ever since then I've been unable to keep them straight. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Wed Nov 18 18:33:13 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr. K Mean) Date: Wed Nov 18 18:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> OK so what is the consensus here > > Oh, I probably move over. Heck, when there's a car on the side of the > highway I change lanes. I don't want any trouble! And, hey, some day the > emergency vehicle might be for me. But, yeah. On a 2 lane when there are > no obstructions, well, I guess I might just go. Depends on the weather and > my mood, I guess. Yep, I tend to agree. If the road is divided and there is no chance the emergency vehicle would use it, there doesn't seem to be a need to pull over. But mostly I would like everybody to act as if the emergency vehicle was rushing to save me. I can't really imagine that the 30 seconds it might cost me to pull off the road is so very important compared to what it might mean to somebody else. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Nov 18 20:31:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Nov 18 20:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > OK so what is the consensus here on when you're supposed to move over to > the right if an emergency vehicle is approaching with lights on and > sirens going > An ambulance was approaching from the opposite direction on > a clear street. The guy in front of me moved over to the right and > stopped and since there was no apparent reason not to, I just continued > on my way because I was in no way obstructing the ambulance. > Any thoughts? I would have slowed toward a stop and if the cars on the right lane had similarly slowed to a stop and pulled over out of the right lane, I would have slowly moved into that lane if it were safe. I try to give those guys a lot of room - a wide berth - to do things like passing against the traffic and all kinds of crazy stuff. If everyone who is at a traffic light for two intersecting divided 4 lane roads stops and stays stopped, they can do antics like pulling over to the wrong side of the 4 lane road and 'careen' thru' the red light where everyone hopefully stays stopped in spite of a greenlight and then careen all the way back into the proper lanes. I don't think you should just maintain your pace while going in the opposite direction even if the road is clear in front of the emergency vehicle. It doesn't 'show' - demonstrate to - the emergency vehicle that you realize what is going on coming your way. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Wed Nov 18 22:20:44 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Well, really, what did we expect? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> > > I never heard of immanent. i'll have to look that up now... > > hmm, an act of the mind. well who knew? I would be leaning towards innate (inborn) and/or inherent (adhering to) generally but yeah there are shades of meaning depending on the context and custom. Lester del Rey wrote "For me there is no such thing as a synonym," or something very like that, and he had such subtleties in mind. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 18 22:38:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC785663AA85sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Yesterday I had passed the scene of an accident and was continuing on > southbound. An ambulance was approaching from the opposite direction on a > clear street. The guy in front of me moved over to the right and stopped > and since there was no apparent reason not to, I just continued on my way > because I was in no way obstructing the ambulance. The guy who had pulled > over honked at me as I went by, obviously enraged by my temerity in using > logic to decide that there was no reasonable need for me to do the same. > Now had the ambulance needed to cross into opposing traffic to continue on > its way then I'd have moved over but this was not the case. I would have done exactly what you did......and sometimes when I'm in a hurry (late) I'll take advantage of the "parting of the waves" for an emergency vehicle going in my direction. Since everyone pulls over to let the vehicle by, you are presented with empty streets right after they pass you. Get back on the road and follow the ambulance (from a safe distance, of course) and you've to free sailing! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 18 22:49:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yee-Haw! Finally Got it Fixed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC785DC28950sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > That's great. No prizes for guessing that you'll be keeping this chiro! Sadly, when I saw my acupuncturist just a day later (this morning), my neck muscle spasms had already pulled C1-C2 out of position AGAIN. She worked on me pretty hard, and my neck feels much more relaxed this afternoon, as opposed to being sore when I work up this morning. It's an ongoing fight between the muscles and the vertebrae, unfortunately. > > Now what about the bone spurs, are they still an issue that needs to be > dealt with? Yes, IMO they are responsible for about 75% of my recent neck problems. Last week I tried doubling the dosage of oral colchicine to more rapidly dissolve the bone spurs (with an ok from my doctor), but it turns out the main Colchicine side affect, diarrhea, hit my really hard. I'm going back to 1 pill/day and will just have to be patient, getting dehydrated while on the new antibiotic is a recipe for disaster. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 19 10:21:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 19 10:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC7B35FE1446sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9CC7D12EC906BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >> >>> It just seems to me that a lot of people simply behave like sheep >> >> Indeed. I smite you with static electricity. Baa. Baa! >> > > Does that make it an electric sheep? Oh, by the way what was the fine? From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 19 11:20:49 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: how to buy a new car from a dealer References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC65C783294Fsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://www.amazon.com/Predictioneers-Game-Brazen-Self-Interest- > Future/dp/1400067871 > > this book I'm reading is about Game Theory and talks about how to shape > situations to your own advantage. He explains the best way to buy a new > car. It would only work for a brand new car, not used. > > this reviewer has summarised it here > > http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/09/how-to-use-game-theory-to- > buy-a-car.html > > > And he also says that you should tell them NOT to provide 'dealer prep' > that it's just a nonsense service that they tack on a couple of hundred > extra for. So next time you're in the market for a new car, you know what > to do! > > I don't anticipate ever buying a brand new car but if I were, I'd for sure > do this. Read the comment link sounded familiar. Way back in 1955, I had taken my old car in to a dealer for service. While in waiting room, a salesman came up to me asking if I might be in the market for a new car. Curious, I said yes and he took me into their warehouse and way back in a hidden corner, he showed me a new 1956 model car. Bingo - I was hooked. Long story short - he gave me a price. I went to several dealer in the 20 mile radius saying. Give me your best price. If you are low bidder - I'll buy it from you. NO TRADE IN. Some cooperated, some gave me just the price on a scrap of paper (no details.) Surprise - my local dealer was significantly lower than others - So he got the sale. In addition that dealer's service was outstanding. From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 19 11:31:50 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:hduqgo$g3l$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: >> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 > > Check out the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Process: > > http://www.moonviews.com/ > > They're taking boxes and boxes of data tapes form the mid-1960's Lunar > Orbiter and recovering the data on them with a refurbished 1960's tape > drive. (And they just got a second drive on line.) > > -- > Kenneth Brody That reminds me of a 'to be horrible feeling". Our local high school is publishing their yearbook on a DVD. When those kids return for their twenty year reunion think of the comments about 'looking' at the old yearbook. It did not take long for the new model computers to not even HAVE a 3-1/4 inch disk drive. How are they going to read the DVD? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 19 12:11:54 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 19 12:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IBM 1401 does this being back memories!!! References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:he3rtp$53b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:hduqgo$g3l$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Frog Prince wrote: >>> http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/rebuilding-the-ibm-1401 >> >> Check out the Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Process: >> >> http://www.moonviews.com/ >> >> They're taking boxes and boxes of data tapes form the mid-1960's Lunar >> Orbiter and recovering the data on them with a refurbished 1960's tape >> drive. (And they just got a second drive on line.) >> >> -- >> Kenneth Brody > > That reminds me of a 'to be horrible feeling". > > Our local high school is publishing their yearbook on a DVD. > > When those kids return for their twenty year reunion think of the comments > about 'looking' at the old yearbook. > > It did not take long for the new model computers to not even HAVE a 3-1/4 > inch disk drive. How are they going to read the DVD? Except for a few anal personalities, or maybe some reunion coordinator prepared to spend some money to read DVD's, They're not. This also is another issue with soon to come with Kindles. From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 19 15:13:52 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Nov 19 15:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] the solution to CNN/FNN controversy Message-ID: http://www.nonags.com/funimg/analtv.jpg From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Nov 19 15:56:30 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Nov 19 16:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > Oh, by the way what was the fine? Instead of an actual violation, Syl was honked at (tut tut tsk tsk) by another motorist who yielded more dramatically to an oncoming EV, while Syl proceeded at the normal pace assuming the oncoming EV didn't need any dramatic 'over-yielding' ie the 'uberyield' with an umlauted u. Regarding the fine: one question remains. Would Syl have been 'vulnerable' to being ticketed if an observing officer didn't consider the pace maintenance to satisfy the requirement that one yield (demonstrably) to an oncoming EV -- that one is supposed to yield demonstrably whether they are behind you upcoming or ahead of you oncoming. I can tell about a ticket I received once related to an officer thinking that I didn't yield to a pedestrian, but it is rather long winded. I think I'll tell it anyway. I'll preface by remarking that I am a bigtime yielder to pedestrians. I yield to pedestrians in parking lots before they are even close enough yet to 'need' to be yielded to, and I certainly yield to pedestrians who are on roadways. Long ago, I was driving down the left lane of a 4 lane divided roadway with an elevated curbed divider. On the other side of my 4 lane road was an 'intersecting' road which did not cross the 4 lane street, ie there was not a concomitant street intersection on my side of the street. Ahead of me I could observe a cop driving (and slowing) in the right lane traveling in the same direction as I, and I could also see 2 older ladies almost a block ahead. One was on the sidewalk on the curb on my side while the other was standing on the elevated divider looking toward the one on my side. I was puzzled at what or why she was looking toward the other. The cop ahead of me in the right lane slowed to a stop beside the lady on our curbside sidewalk, but I couldn't tell if he was speaking to her or if she were speaking to him or not. As I was approaching this trio of 2 ladies and a cop, I was progressively getting slower and slower because I didn't know exactly what was going on. I thought maybe the cop was concerned about something he had observed with the lady on our curb and the other lady was also interested in concerned about whatever was up between her apparent friend and the cop. By this time I had slowed to the pace of a slowly walking person, but not completely stopped and I had come abreast of the cop in the right lane. Now between the two of us, we would be obstructing traffic on a 4 lane divided road for which the speed limit was about 45 mph. I didn't know what the cop's interest was in the old lady on the sidewalk and I didn't know why the other old lady was up on that divider, but she appeared to be 'safe'. It did not appear that she was trying to cross to the other side away from my side and it certainly didn't appear that she was trying to cross to my side. She wasn't even near either curb of her elevated divider. So, I slowly crept by the cop to get out of the 'confusion' that seemed to be created by the combination of the two old ladies and the stopped cop. Then he turned on his light and tapped his siren as quietly as possible and I pulled over and waited for him to tell me what was going on. He said I didn't yield to the little old lady on the divider to cross our lanes. Naturally I said I had no idea she had such an intention to cross our lanes at such an unmarked and unlikely crossing. That I thought the old lady that he had stopped beside had some kind of 'problem' that he stopped for, not that he had stopped to allow two pedestrians to cross. Next week Uncle Wiggily will tell about how it came down in court after I got the ticket. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 19 16:13:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 19 16:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:he4bdr$aer$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bar0 wrote: > >> Oh, by the way what was the fine? > > Instead of an actual violation, Syl was honked at (tut tut tsk tsk) by Ummm... I know, my suspicion still is that Cat has an axe to grind and a fine to pay, that at least in Cat's mind is unjust . From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Nov 19 17:08:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Bar0 wrote: >> >>> Oh, by the way what was the fine? >> >> Instead of an actual violation, Syl was honked at (tut tut tsk tsk) by > > Ummm... I know, my suspicion still is that Cat has an axe to grind and a > fine to pay, that at least in Cat's mind is unjust . That is an interesting suspicion - the mentality/skepticism of someone such as in LE who is suspicious of every perpetrator's story - or of a parent who is afflicted with the problem of dealing with kids who have learned how to lie and 'enjoy'/practice it so much that they would just as soon lie as tell the truth - or of someone who is prone (themselves) to lie about stories they tell in a newsgroup so as to embarass themselves less than they would have otherwise - or.... ... or I'm sure that there are other possibilities, but I have to look upon your suspicion with suspicion :-) To me, it simply seems that Syl was embarassed by being chided -- not that Syl got a ticket and chose to misrepresent the story for some reason. I would be embarassed by my fellow motorist's opinion expressed with the horn and perhaps a glare, but chagrined or 'wronged' if I felt that I had a wrongful violation cited; as I was regarding my old ladies story. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 19 17:08:27 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:he2epq$kh0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I would have done exactly what you did......and sometimes when I'm in a > hurry (late) I'll take advantage of the "parting of the waves" for an > emergency vehicle going in my direction. Since everyone pulls over to let > the vehicle by, you are presented with empty streets right after they pass > you. Get back on the road and follow the ambulance (from a safe distance, > of course) and you've to free sailing! If you do that, you DESERVE a ticket..... From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Nov 19 17:23:44 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Nov 19 17:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Indigo" >> I would have done exactly what you did...... This part I disagree with Syl & Indi >> and sometimes when I'm in a >> hurry (late) I'll take advantage of the "parting of the waves" for an >> emergency vehicle going in my direction. Since everyone pulls over to >> let the vehicle by, you are presented with empty streets right after >> they pass you. Get back on the road and follow the ambulance (from a >> safe distance, of course) and you've to free sailing! I would describe what I do when I'm not in a hurry or late, but just 'normal'. When an EV has passed in my direction, I'm of the opinion that the traffic including me which has slowed or stopped and pulled over to the right to yield, is now 'obligated' to resume pace. So I get right back out there and resume pace (if there isn't another EV coming along behind the first). Not in a hurry, not trying to take right of way away from other 'yielding' traffic. > If you do that, you DESERVE a ticket..... I'm not sure I understand exactly what you think that Indi is saying or describing doing which you feel is wrong. Are you thinking that he should not pass anyone who is pulled over yielding (longer than he thinks it is necessary to stay yielded)? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Nov 19 19:00:31 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Nov 19 19:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: wow cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8367760.stm They got it wrong, that wasn't a meteor. It was a duck flying south for the winter that had engine failure... To paraphrase a certain TV mascot..."Awfuck!" From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 20 21:38:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 20 21:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:he4fks$c1h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:he2epq$kh0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> I would have done exactly what you did......and sometimes when I'm in a >> hurry (late) I'll take advantage of the "parting of the waves" for an >> emergency vehicle going in my direction. Since everyone pulls over to let >> the vehicle by, you are presented with empty streets right after they >> pass you. Get back on the road and follow the ambulance (from a safe >> distance, of course) and you've to free sailing! > > If you do that, you DESERVE a ticket..... > For what crime or traffic offense? I've broken no laws, I let the emergency vehicle pass! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 20 21:44:12 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 20 21:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC8972A2D83Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Mike Easter" wrote in news:he4ghd$ccr$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you think that Indi is saying or >> describing doing which you feel is wrong. Are you thinking that he >> should not pass anyone who is pulled over yielding (longer than he >> thinks it is necessary to stay yielded)? > > She probably feels that the 'proper' thing to do is for everyone to resume > the road in the original position that they started from when they pulled > over. Otherwise the ones in the front may be left waiting for ages for the > rest of the traffic to stream past. If so, she assumes incrorrectly....some of those drivers may be so conservative that they remain pulled over for WAY longer than necessary for public safety. You snooze, you lose.....too bad for you, as far as I'm concerned......learn how to drive safely, not OVER protectively. Being _too_ conservative in your driving causes a hazard that is YOUR responsibility (i.e. driving the exact speed limit in the fast left lane). From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 20 21:45:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 20 21:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CC8936D62D5sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:he2epq$kh0$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I would have done exactly what you did......and sometimes when I'm in >> a hurry (late) I'll take advantage of the "parting of the waves" for >> an emergency vehicle going in my direction. Since everyone pulls over >> to let the vehicle by, you are presented with empty streets right >> after they pass you. Get back on the road and follow the ambulance >> (from a safe distance, of course) and you've to free sailing! >> >> > > LOL now the CA DMV handbook is very clear on that. It's a big no no! But > if > you don't tailgate it I guess no harm done. For what reason? And do they specify how long you must wait until you get back on the road or is it ambigious? From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 21 00:58:17 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 21 01:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9CC8936D62D5sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> LOL now the CA DMV handbook is very clear on that. It's a big no no! >> But if >> you don't tailgate it I guess no harm done. > > For what reason? And do they specify how long you must wait until you > get back on the road or is it ambigious? Reason doesn't matter unless there's some sort of weakness/loophole in the drafting of the (purported) law/regulation. They *pay* people good money to ensure statutes are concise, constitutional and enforceable. Are you feeling lucky? The stipulation: "It is against the law to follow within 300 feet of any emergency vehicle which is answering an emergency call." http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/shr_bus_sc_trly_ev.htm#ev No ambiguity there though no doubt there's plenty of shysters around willing to give it a run, in exchange for 'adequate' remuneration (were they actually answering an emergency call, who estimated it was less than 300 feet and on what basis?) I suspect enforcement and judiciary would be united in expecting community support and forbearance and drivers 'erring on the side of caution' in such matters. ICBW. From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 21 01:11:13 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 21 01:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: wow cool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in news:he4m6l$e20$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8367760.stm >> They got it wrong, that wasn't a meteor. It was a duck flying south for >> the winter that had engine failure... >> >> To paraphrase a certain TV mascot..."Awfuck!" >> > > That's one mighty bright duck! > > How's the job going, still happy there? Still happy, especially since I'm dating a cute co-worker. :) From scamper at trisk.com Sat Nov 21 06:26:54 2009 From: scamper at trisk.com (Garen Erdoisa) Date: Sat Nov 21 06:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anatidaephobia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > OK firstly, the concept of a phobia where you're terrified that a duck > might be watching you is, in itself, hilarious (for those of us who are not > afflicted lol). But then, on a site that explains the phobia with pointers > of where to go to get help.... there's an Alfac ad right next to it lol. > > http://failblog.org/2009/10/23/ad-placement-fail-4/#comments Yes, but what about when the duck is 10ft tall and has big teeth? Phear! From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 21 08:17:42 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 21 08:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anatidaephobia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Garen Erdoisa wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> OK firstly, the concept of a phobia where you're terrified that a duck >> might be watching you is, in itself, hilarious (for those of us who >> are not afflicted lol). But then, on a site that explains the phobia >> with pointers of where to go to get help.... there's an Alfac ad right >> next to it lol. >> >> http://failblog.org/2009/10/23/ad-placement-fail-4/#comments > > Yes, but what about when the duck is 10ft tall and has big teeth? > > > Phear! > Or even its little cousin - http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_132047.htm or http://snipurl.com/tcmxs From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Sat Nov 21 17:02:58 2009 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Sat Nov 21 17:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns9CC785663AA85sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > OK so what is the consensus here on when you're supposed to move > over to the right if an emergency vehicle is approaching with > lights on and sirens going? Obviously if you're travelling in the > same direction then you definitely need to pull over to the right. > But what if you're on a wide street with multiple lanes and the > ambulance is coming from the opposite direction with nothing on > its side of the road to impede progress? I looked at the CA DMV's > site and it doesn't specify that if you're travelling in either > direction you should move over to the right, only that you should > "yield the right of way". NH law (RSA 265.8, VI) says: VI. A driver of a vehicle being driven on the ways of this state upon the approach from any direction of an emergency vehicle with the siren or flashing light in operation shall turn immediately as far as possible toward the right-hand side of the way and shall bring his vehicle to a standstill until such emergency vehicle has passed. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxi/265/265-8.htm This is stated in the Driver's Manual as: The right-of-way must be given to emergency vehicles approaching from any direction when they are sounding a siren or operating their flashing lights (police, fire, ambulance). You must immediately drive to the right side of the road clear of any intersection and stop your vehicle until the emergency vehicle has passed. http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/dmv/documents/nhdm.pdf -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 21 17:20:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 21 17:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9CCAAD7194579Senex@216.154.195.61... > Sylvesterthekat wrote in > news:Xns9CC785663AA85sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > ..... A friend was driving from Vancouver to Squamish BC (The way you will travel to the 2010 Winter Olympics more or less if you go) In thiose days except for a few suicude 3 lane sections on uphill straights, it was a 2 lane road. He quickly caught up to a Ladder Truck with sirens and emergency on chugging his way on the windy road at 25-35 depending on steepness. Squamish is 40 miles away. Speed limit was 50 or 60 depending. Next 3 lane section he passed going up the hill (well within the speed limit). You guessed it , the Fireman reported him and he got a ticket for not remaining clear of the Firetruck. I may be dating myself, speed limits still were imperial. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 21 18:06:12 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 21 18:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > He quickly caught up to a Ladder Truck with sirens > and emergency on chugging his way on the windy road at 25-35 depending > on steepness. Squamish is 40 miles away. Speed limit was 50 or 60 > depending. Next 3 lane section he passed going up the hill (well within > the speed limit). Maybe he should have told the judge that he was passing the firetruck - as an emergency - to try to get to the fire to help put it out in a timely manner as it appeared that it would be some time before the sluggish firetruck got there. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 21 20:02:38 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 21 20:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:he9p3e$dc5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Paul" wrote in message > news:Xns9CCAAD7194579Senex@216.154.195.61... >> Sylvesterthekat wrote in >> news:Xns9CC785663AA85sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: >> > ..... > > > A friend was driving from Vancouver to Squamish BC (The way you will > travel to the 2010 Winter Olympics more or less if you go) In thiose days > except for a few suicude 3 lane sections on uphill straights, it was a 2 > lane road. He quickly caught up to a Ladder Truck with sirens and > emergency on chugging his way on the windy road at 25-35 depending on > steepness. Squamish is 40 miles away. Speed limit was 50 or 60 depending. > Next 3 lane section he passed going up the hill (well within the speed > limit). > > You guessed it , the Fireman reported him and he got a ticket for not > remaining clear of the Firetruck. > > I may be dating myself, speed limits still were imperial. Years ago (mid 60's) there was a court case where a driver sped up to clear the way for a state trooper. Trooper later pulled the driver over and issued a ticket for exceeding the speed limit. Judge let the fine stick. When asked (on the record) what the proper procedure was the judge said something to the effect slow down immediately/quickly and pull over. A few years later the same driver was involved in a rear end collision with a state trooper (Trooper rear ended the other car). Trooper claimed the driver should have sped up and cleared the right of way. Civil case went to the civilian diver as he had a copy of the previous traffic court case where the judge advise to 'shut it down'. Judgment mentioned the trooper was 'following too close' From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Nov 22 11:55:28 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Nov 22 12:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: Subject: What the heck is "spirituality"? Pick the paragraph found here^1 which describes what you are (not yet) talking about. ^1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality There is a 30 line section in there about 'defining' -- but you aren't limited to that section. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Nov 22 16:06:36 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Nov 22 16:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" >> There is a 30 line section in there about 'defining' -- but you aren't >> limited to that section. > > The "crunchy people" say that the wiki on the subject is way too dry. > But, yeah. Been there. Interesting and all. But what do -you- think? I don't know which kind of spirituality you are talking about yet. I'm a hardcore scientist who considers the big bang a puzzling theory caused by theoretically shooting the time arrow fletchings/nock first. I don't need any kind of religious beliefs or supreme beings or afterlife to be able to get along with a set of moral principles. I think that human beings have some kind of religion/spirituality requirement built into their brains since they got up on their hindlegs or before, so that the present/modern ones who don't believe in some kinds of $deity/ies seem more prone to some other kinds of mysticism. I suppose that other animals might have some kind of religious beliefs as well. I haven't read anything about what Koko tho't about that. Or some other thinking animal, maybe a border collie or a porpoise. Most scientists seem to fall into a couple of camps of either hardcore nontheists or those who go about their usual religious beliefs in spite of their scientific bent. I don't think there's any value in debating spiritual/religious beliefs, because they are by necessity based on faith, not logic. I also believe that people's beliefs are very powerful, and often yield results, such as cures or illnesses, that defy scientific explanation. Miracle cures and voodoo disabilities and deaths amaze me. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 22 19:10:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Nov 22 19:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:he7k5r$hku$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9CC8972A2D83Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> "Mike Easter" wrote in news:he4ghd$ccr$1 >> @news.spamcop.net: >> >> >>> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you think that Indi is saying or >>> describing doing which you feel is wrong. Are you thinking that he >>> should not pass anyone who is pulled over yielding (longer than he >>> thinks it is necessary to stay yielded)? >> >> She probably feels that the 'proper' thing to do is for everyone to >> resume >> the road in the original position that they started from when they pulled >> over. Otherwise the ones in the front may be left waiting for ages for >> the >> rest of the traffic to stream past. > > If so, she assumes incrorrectly....some of those drivers may be so > conservative that they remain pulled over for WAY longer than necessary > for public safety. You snooze, you lose.....too bad for you, as far as I'm > concerned......learn how to drive safely, not OVER protectively. Being > _too_ conservative in your driving causes a hazard that is YOUR > responsibility (i.e. driving the exact speed limit in the fast left lane). People who pull over to let an EV pass also expect to pull back out when the EV has cleared the scene. Being sideswiped or rear-ended by some asshat who's screaming by them, drafting the EV to take advantage of the clear roads, at everyone else's expense, because he's in a hurry and has a 'you snooze you lose' attitude shouldn't be something you need to worry about. It's rude, aggressive and dangerous. JMO, of course and no, I don't drive 'overly protectively', I follow the rules of the road and try to use a little courtesy toward everyone else aound me, ALL of us have someplace to go. From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Mon Nov 23 00:17:57 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Nov 23 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/23/2009 01:56 AM, Charles wrote: > It's so important to so many people (like people helping me) and, well, it > all just sounds like religion to me. Everything in the universe is > connected. Oh? Really? And what does that mean? I'm not feeling all > that connected with Andromeda today. Maybe tomorrow. Oh, whatever. Hey dude, we are all star stuff. (Loosely paraphrased from Carl Sagan.) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 06:30:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Nov 23 06:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCB651F7EBC9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's so important to so many people (like people helping me) and, well, it > all just sounds like religion to me. Everything in the universe is > connected. Oh? Really? And what does that mean? I'm not feeling all > that connected with Andromeda today. Maybe tomorrow. Oh, whatever. What is it she thinks you're missing that you need to fix? Personally I have no use for organized religion, it's so full of hypocrisy, fear and guilt. My own sense of spirituality is tied to, as Mike said, a set of values, respect for nature, and sort of a universal sense of 'karma' - take the high road, do good things for people and animals, do the right thing, not the easy thing, be thoughtful and considerate and help people when you can, don't perpetuate evil by acting out against people to harm them. Hopefully good actions will come back around, although many times it seems like the "no good deed goes unpunished" rule applies, LOL. That probably doesn't help you, but my answer to 'what is spirituality' is tied to how you get along in the world and relate to it. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 23 09:11:25 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 23 09:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anatidaephobia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Farelf wrote in news:he8p9j$ul2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Or even its little cousin - >> http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_132047.htm >> >> or http://snipurl.com/tcmxs >> > > OMG, don't tell the anatidaephobes! They'd have nightmares for months. S'ok, the antipodean 'quack of doom' (as we fondly call it) has long since passed from the earth. As near as we can make out the crocodiles ate them. Dunno what 'the morbid fear of crocodiles' might be called but it's certainly no irrational fear. From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 23 09:34:00 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 23 09:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > ...But my therapist wants me to get in touch with my spiritual > side. I'm trying to figure out what the heck she's getting at. Maybe it's all a test. But I would guess she's encouraging you to explore the idea that something might exist that is more significant than your immediate self. Time was when numinous incomprehension was enough but now people seem to expect precise definitions, proofs and reproducible results. I think they miss the point. *Something* has to be capable of inspiring awe and wonder in any of us else we're no different to the proverbial beasts of the field. If you're capable of awe and wonder maybe that is all she wants to know. Maybe you're too 'closed' in your sessions. Maybe you're playing games. That doesn't matter (she's seen it all before) you'll work through it in the end, I have every confidence. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 11:59:35 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Nov 23 12:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: [...] > I'm a hardcore scientist who considers the big bang a puzzling theory It also makes a pretty good TV show. > caused by theoretically shooting the time arrow fletchings/nock first. More like running the video backwards to find out where the arrow came from, without actually having the video. [...] -- Kenneth Brody From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 12:03:25 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I don't know which kind of spirituality you are talking about yet. > > Me either. But my therapist wants me to get in touch with my spiritual > side. Presumably you are seeing the counselor - call it therapy if your like - because you feel a need of counselling to help you get over/past/ deal with/ the disturbing sense of loss - or mortality - you are feeling because of the ex's departure (from this earth and its travails for her). The benefit of counselling is supposed to be that as a result of your interaction, you achieve an improved insight into your self - which self relationship is - would become - now in some greater harmony than it was prior to the interaction. You don't necessarily need an 'official' or allegedly trained counselor for that; and in fact some such counselors aren't really worth as much as some other counsel-like interactions. Such as counsel with a trusted friend you respect - definitely not your significant other. For some, it would be a religious figure. For some other man, it would be a good male (or perhaps female) friend (good and friend go together there) you respect. The purpose of the good and the respect is that that relationship and conversation 'requires' that you be able to somehow explain yourself to your friend or your counselor. How they listen and how you explain yourself helps you to be able to hear/find (something about) yourself in your explainings. Some people would counsel /themselves/ in a retreat-like 'place'. Some people would write it all down for themselves. Some people would talk to someone else which someone else creates the right kind of environment for the insight. The right kind of environment is sometimes how someone asks about what they don't understand about something you said. > I'm trying to figure out what the heck she's getting at. Maybe somehow her relationship with her spiritual side is/was worth something to her. Whatever is her spiritual side. If her spiritual side is religion, that facet of her own life experiences might not be useful to you at all. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 13:33:52 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 13:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" It seems to me that these two replies are/were inconsistent with each other - excluding the backtracking part after #1. >> The benefit of counselling is supposed to be that as a result of your >> interaction, you achieve an improved insight into your self > > This is not my goal, here. #1 > And I was probably wrong. I guess. I mean, I suppose I am looking for > insight. That's certainly not my main goal. >> How they listen and how you explain >> yourself helps you to be able to hear/find (something about) yourself >> in your explainings. > > Yes! 'Zackly! #2 > Again, right. Like, not at all. Or... Or... Or she could "make me" > confront my antogonism towards these things. Which might be a good > thing. You never know. Antagonism? If I am without belief in the hereafter or a supreme being, that does not make me 'antagonistic' toward those that are/do, unless they are getting in my face and/or proselytizing about it. So, if you are feeling a baseless anti- theism/religious spirituality, I suppose you could ask why. > But I went to church yesterday. Wow was that ever hard. Even in a UU > "church" where there's no creed, well, it all felt just like being in > any other church I've been in. All I know about UU is what I'm reading here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism Unitarian Universalism (In the old days, the first place I would go would be 'upstairs' where the EB Encylopedia Britannicas were; and then I would end up sitting up there and reading for hours about forks I wandered off into in the process of researching whatever I started with. I should get back into that EB business somehow, maybe online. The old method of forking is/was different than the way I fork in the wiki, but there is certainly something valuable in reading the writings of professional encyclopedists, which is missing from the wiki, which is mostly written by advanced amateurs who would-be such a pro.) > Too much pomp and ceremony. Too much > formalism. Altho' the UU sounds very very liberal in its beliefs, it apparently is still 'fundamentally' pretty close to a Christian belief set -- or at least I would expect that most of the people who show up in church on a Sunday to expect to find something like a Christian Protestant service. > And of what? For me it feels like the UUs don't even have > any beliefs (which is a little how the describe themselves anyway). So > what's the point in being together? It's supposedly finding a community > of like-minded people. But what does like-minded mean when there's no > creed??? The wiki isn't really helpful on the subject. Isn't helpful > for me. Well, I don't know what you were looking for when you went to church, unless it was related to having some different connection with your family and/or other members of your community. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 13:49:09 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 13:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > But I went to church yesterday. Wow was that ever hard. Even in a UU > "church" where there's no creed, well, it all felt just like being in > any other church I've been in. Too much pomp and ceremony. Too much > formalism. In reading this part of the wiki UU article; // They believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues, such as the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any religious background, and hold beliefs from a variety of cultures or religions. -- Concepts about deity are diverse among UUs. Some believe that there is no god (atheism); others believe in many gods (polytheism). Some believe that God is a metaphor for a transcendent reality. Some believe in a female god (goddess), a passive god (Deism), an Abrahamic god, or a god manifested in nature or the universe (pantheism). Many UUs reject the idea of deities and instead speak of the "spirit of life" that binds all life on earth. UUs support each person's search for truth and meaning in concepts of spirituality. // ... maybe you could look for some UU (or nonUU) spiritual development somewhere other than church which is organized for and populated by those who are looking for something structured more traditional. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 15:26:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Nov 23 15:30:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: This is out of hand. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-00506E.12200823112009@killface.local... > This year, we have had a cop shooting a subdued man in the back of > the head. A college kid get tasered multiple times for asking for his > glasses while police are questioning him. An officer slamming a guy into > a plate glass window. > And these are just the high profile cases because they were caught on > video. I've never seen so much much abusive behavior by police as I have > in the past year. > These are the front lines of oppressive government, not universal > health care or any of the socialism boogeymen that the tea party people > have been crying about. > -- > -David It's OK, as long as they are protecting us from Kiddie porn and terrorism. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 15:43:34 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 15:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: This is out of hand. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > These are the front lines of oppressive government, Which government do these oppressive cops represent? Oh nevermind. We aren't supposed to talk. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 23 19:16:43 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Nov 23 19:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: This is out of hand. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hees5j$8v3$1@news.spamcop.net... > David Dean wrote: > >> These are the front lines of oppressive government, > > Which government do these oppressive cops represent? > > Oh nevermind. We aren't supposed to talk. > You have family in the old country? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 21:47:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 23 21:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: yielding to emergency vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:he7vhm$le5$1@news.spamcop.net... > No ambiguity there though no doubt there's plenty of shysters around > willing to give it a run, in exchange for 'adequate' remuneration (were > they actually answering an emergency call, who estimated it was less than > 300 feet and on what basis?) I suspect enforcement and judiciary would be > united in expecting community support and forbearance and drivers 'erring > on the side of caution' in such matters. ICBW. > Unless my math is wrong, at a speed of 45 mph you'd have to wait around 12 seconds for the emergency vehicle to pass before 'instantly' resuming a speed of 45 mph and still stay more than 100 yds behind the vehicle. Assuming you don't floor it, you may only have to wait around 5-6 seconds after the vehicle passes before moving again and regaining the speed of 45 mph -- a much faster reaction time than most folks are likely to resume driving after the emergency vehicle passes. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 21:49:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Nov 23 21:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCCD655D1DBFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> maybe you could look for some UU (or nonUU) spiritual development >> somewhere other than church which is organized for and populated by >> those who are looking for something structured more traditional > > It's a thought. I don't really know what I'm going to do just yet. The > UU > folks... Yeah. I just don't really know right now. I'll seek more > direction/guidance on things tomorrow. I see you as a Buddhist, quite honestly..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 21:56:12 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 23 22:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hec94s$apm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I don't think there's any value in debating spiritual/religious beliefs, > because they are by necessity based on faith, not logic. I've always loved the line from XTC's "Dear God" that goes "Did you make Mankind after we made you?" A chicken and egg problem of unimaginable proportions...meaning did humans invent a higher spirit to explain their prescence on earth and why things happened (who to blame)..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 22:06:34 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 23 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCBBCC13FDC4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> I don't know which kind of spirituality you are talking about yet. > > Me either. But my therapist wants me to get in touch with my spiritual > side. I'm trying to figure out what the heck she's getting at. It's not > exactly easy. Of course, real therapy isn't all that easy. Who the heck > knows what anything is, anyway? I've never had much of a spiritual side as far as organized religion goes, but over time I've developed a rather keen sense of "spirits", or the presensce of spiritual energy emitting from entities not visible in the normal definition of 'prescence'......the feelings are quite strong, the hairs on the back of my neck sometimes stick up, I can just sense that there is an energy in the room that is kind of undefinable...but it belongs to someone not physically present. I never went looking for this, it just started to happen in times of intense emotional stress...but now that I'm aware that I can detect this "energy", it's much easier to feel and notice. Call me a kook if you want, but I know what I've experienced, and as a scientist I can't explain it away as my a result of my brain creating the feelings by desire to have a dead person, sometimes someone I've never met or known, suddenly appear in a room.......trust me, I stuggled against these feelings for a while, not believing that it was "real" or possible, but it's happened enough times in the last 10 years that I now have no problem accepting that there is something "real" surrounding me, the energy is too strong to ignore. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 22:22:40 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Nov 23 22:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCC5FA841539TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> > Nope - I can't deal. Too much "divine" and "underlying connectedness of > everything" and such. For me. But, yeah. I had some profoundly, > astonishingly, horrifyingly bad experiences with religion as a child. > Yes, > it is all muddled together in my head but it does make it nigh unto > impossible for me to deal with this God stuff. Personally I subscribe to George Carlin's views... "Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!" From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 22:45:21 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Nov 23 22:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this cracked me up References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CCBC54DEFDF2sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8366386.stm I love the tail wrapping around his head... From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 24 14:29:09 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Nov 24 14:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ping Frog Prince References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-766E2B.09181424112009@killface.local... > My memory is fuzzy, so it may not have been you, but I seem to recall > you telling us about an organization (charity?) from whom one could > purchase foodstuffs of various types. > Another friend of mine told me about something similar that they are > trying to organize in his local area as a sort of local farmer's > cooperative with the goals of getting folks to buy local and helping > sustain local farmers. Here is how they describe it: > >> Our plan is to provide a real boost to small-scale farming. By purchasing >> a >> "share" of a farm's harvest at the beginning of the season, you allow the >> farmer to plan his/her season with a measure of financial security; in >> return, you get to enjoy the farmer's delicious, fresh, nutritious >> produce >> throughout the season. It also ensures that the farmer receives the full >> price paid for his/her produce, further encouraging sound, sustainable >> farming practices. > > Anyhow, It occurred to me that this sounded very complimentary to the > organization you mentioned a couple of years ago. For all I know they > are already following the same model, but I thought it would be > worthwhile to point him towards more information that may help him. http://www.anglefoodministries.com/ works some areas not in others. In NC the package price is a good deal. In N Texas local food vendors are a LOT more competitive. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 00:02:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CCBC758BD4FAsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Have you told her that you don't feel the need for religion, organised or > otherwise? > Spirituality and religion have almost nothing in common. > Some people define spirituality as a feeling of connectedness with the > world, gaia and all that. That's the way I see it, you can sense the energy of your surroundings if you're attuned to listening.....it might be a gift, I dunno.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 00:05:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCC5FA841539TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Nope - I can't deal. Too much "divine" and "underlying connectedness of > everything" and such. I didn't read the link, but the "underlying connectedness of everything" is becoming more and more accepted by modern science. For instance, somehow the cells in your body are able to communicate with each other, no one knows exactly how, but it's been shown in various experiments. Kind of like the "Butterfly Effect" when you apply it to the rest of the world.....I don't pretend to understand it, but I believe in it, since I've experienced it first hand. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 00:09:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCC60306D887TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Ah. But, well, right. I guess I don't see how this is spirituality. I > know, it's all about definitions and whatever but it's like I'm stuck on > the spirituality as religion definition. Ah. So I can't be spiritual > because spirituality is about religion. And I can't see spirituality that > isn't religion 'cause that doesn't make sense to me. Sounds like you need to immerse yourself in some Buddhist readings to figure out the distinction between religion and spirituality.....they explain it better than anyone else I've come across in my life....although the ancient Greek philosophers had a good start. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 00:15:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCD500C51EE2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Call me a kook if you want > > Ya kook! > > We had this house... We had this house... You could just about hear > footsteps. And then there was the parlor. That was where they used to > display the dead. Clocks didn't keep time properly in that room. It was > really weird. We'd put on in there and the next day it would be off by > hours. Move the clock to another room and it kept time. Put in a brand- > new battery and back in the parlor and it wouldn't keep time. Really > really weird! > Sounds like what happens all the time in my twin sister's house.....I jokingly tell her she has a resident poltergiest....but with her MS most people blame the strange occurences on her poor memory, which irritates her to no end.....I was on the fence myself for a while until she told me her helper dog "alerted" right before some of the strange goings-on occured.....I'm surely not going to argue with the acute senses of a dog! From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Wed Nov 25 00:54:44 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/25/2009 01:28 PM, Charles wrote: > I had the best skip ever today. It was amazing. Astonishing. Stunning. > Really cool. You'd be really impressed, in fact, it goes a little like > this: > .... ..... > > As in a nice tight group of skips then a big pause then another nice tight > group of skips. Really freaking cool. ASCII video? 140 characters even to fit into the twitter? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 12:37:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 25 12:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCDDA6C027C8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I had the best skip ever today. It was amazing. Astonishing. Stunning. > Really cool. You'd be really impressed, in fact, it goes a little like > this: > .... ..... > > As in a nice tight group of skips then a big pause then another nice tight > group of skips. Really freaking cool. The pond is frozen now right? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Nov 25 13:34:30 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Nov 25 13:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Sparkman killed himself? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Wow. Just wow. That just goes to show ya'.... ... not every apparent murder is a (actually) murder; some of them are suicides. Then, it would follow; not every apparent suicide is actually an intentional suicide, some of them are something else. If I were going to commit suicide so that my estate would get the insurance money, I'm sure I would have set it up/ staged it/ better than he did. I certainly wouldn't have told someone of my plans and I would have figured some more comfortable way than strangling myself to death hanging from a tree with my legs - almost my knees - touching the ground. And I wouldn't have walked all the way out to a remote spot naked but for my socks. Autopsy sez no recurrence of his non-Hodgkins lymphoma. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 14:24:31 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 25 14:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCE826A0FD11TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bar0" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9CCDDA6C027C8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> Really freaking cool. >> >> The pond is frozen now right? > > slb? Whoa. Big client, there, dude. .... That dongle you want on a bluetooth USB wasn't one of ours was it? From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Wed Nov 25 15:58:49 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Nov 25 16:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11/25/2009 10:16 PM, Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mr K. Mean"! > >> ASCII video? 140 characters even to fit into the twitter? > > ascii video is so 90's, dude. And I'm not a twit, yet. If I were... > Would you subscribe, too??? No, probably not. The twitter is so 2008 already. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 23:05:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 23:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCEC11A96693TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >> But anyway, to get back to the matter at hand. Spirituality need have >> nothing to do with religion, it's more to do with your inner self >> connecting with the world. > > Oh, you're just saying that! No, she's said exactly what I was trying to get across to you, unsuccessfully....and I agree with the statement. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Nov 26 04:40:54 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Nov 26 04:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Sylvesterthekat >> Did it bring you joy? > > Yes! Absolutely! > > >> Spiritual. You, the rock, the water. > > "Dust. Wind. Dude." But, yeah. Altho' I don't know (really, actually) where Chas is on this issue, I think I'm more with him on this spirituality non-spirituality issue than Syl & Indi -- maybe. That is, is everything spiritual? Is nothing spiritual? Or, are some thing spiritual and other things not spiritual? Who is to say and how do we 'draw the line' between those 'fuzzy' spiritual things that lead to 'everything' is spiritual - the cosmos. The next thing that happens is that people start listening to other people tell them what is spiritual implying what is not. Or, how about, wow like man that is pretty weird fascinating, but I don't really think it is quite like errm spiritual you know? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Nov 26 10:54:27 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Nov 26 10:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Skipping rocks References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" >> The next thing that happens is that people start listening to other >> people tell them what is spiritual implying what is not. Or, how >> about, wow like man that is pretty weird fascinating, but I don't >> really think it is quite like errm spiritual you know? > > Like trying to say that having a sense of wonder is spiritual. Like > what? This mountain-top vista is amazing! I'm connected to the entire > universe! Um. I guess I just don't follow the logic. Like at all. > But I have the sense of awe! I recall an awe-inspiring experience from some years ago. A HI hawaiian helicopter tour outfit flew me/us over open active volcano vents so that one could look down into the bubbling burping flowing lava. It felt like I was on a voyage to the center of the earth. Or, from a pharmaceutical perspective, maybe it was from inhaling the same kinds of fumes from the volcano as did the Oracles at Delphi. While I was at delphi, I also drank of some of the water from a spring there so that those 'spiritual' water molecules could mix themselves up with all of my presumably less spiritual water molecules. But, then, the mystic gas at delphi is tho't to be ethylene, so I guess that would be burned up in the volcano's heat. Getting back to reality instead of awe; more like awwww. :-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Thu Nov 26 14:41:13 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Thu Nov 26 14:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Google wave anyone? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote > I wonder how > they're going to make money out of it. That's something I've always wondered about Google: How *do* they make money? *I've* never paid them anything. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 26 21:21:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 26 21:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CCE9EB28F139sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in news:hefi0c$glj$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I've always loved the line from XTC's "Dear God" that goes "Did you make >> Mankind after we made you?" A chicken and egg problem of unimaginable >> proportions...meaning did humans invent a higher spirit to explain their >> prescence on earth and why things happened (who to blame)..... >> >> > > Yes. That's a very simple question that I figured out at a very young age. There are billions of people on earth that would whole-heartedly disagree with your statement that "it's a very simple question" !! From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 30 13:11:48 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 30 13:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >>> I had already been severely damaged for years before I was 8... > I have not. They didn't know what went on in sunday school, I imagine. > And later (early teems) they likely would have approved (it seems to > me) of the things we were being told. Which were incredible, frankly. The psychologists find that starving and badly injured and orphaned children of war-torn societies are amazingly resilient psychologically, and yet you were damaged - 'severely damaged' - by something you heard in Sunday school? That seems pretty surprising - difficult to comprehend. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 13:36:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 13:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery Message-ID: On Thanksgiving, my Dad brought down boxes of old and unsused Xmas decorations for us "kids" to go thru, we all took what we wanted and he threw out the rest. I scored some very weird antique Xmas tree round light bulb decorations that used to belong to my Grandma -- they have raised features on them (not a smooth bulb), they look like they were hand painted with various holiday themes (most likely with lead paint), and they have a very tiny male screw-in light bulb connector on the bottom. My guess is that they were used on a string that held powered female light sockets wired in series, and you could pick and choose where to place each decorative bulb by screwing them into the light string once it was on the tree. I'm positive that at some point in the 1900's (maybe 1950 or so?) they were banned because of the electricution and fire hazard. The female sockets would have been large enough for tiny fingers and/or pine needles to get inside very easily, causing injury or fire. Someday I'll get around to looking them up on Ebay to see exactly what they are and what they're worth, if I figure out the correct search term. Has anyone here ever seen or heard of such decorative light bulbs and can point me in the right search direction? FP, you're old enough to maybe have even owned them, or at least seen them in action -- do you know anything about them? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 30 14:20:40 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 30 14:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Has anyone here ever seen or heard of such decorative light bulbs and > can point me in the right search direction? 'All' (screw-in lightbulbs in the US in the 20th century) are some size or another of Edison/Mazda Exx (where xx is mm size) and there is a right-hand thread. Perhaps yours about about E10. I'm so old that we had such screw-in incandescent Xmas light bulbs which were wired in series, so that if one light was out, they were all out and it was a 'puzzle' to find the bad light bulb. What I'm not familiar with is the bulb configuration and the hand-painted exterior. Ours were 'flame'/bullet shaped and the coloring was inside the bulb not out. So, yours are older than my days, but I suspect that the base was the same. 'All' above doesn't actually mean absolutely all. http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/history.htm A Brief History of Electric Christmas Lighting in America ... which for some reason reminds me that I once had a thick greenish clear glass insulator that went on old powerlines that weren't carrying all that much voltage compared to today. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 14:47:34 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 14:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf15ua$5ag$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm so old that we had such screw-in incandescent Xmas light bulbs which > were wired in series, so that if one light was out, they were all out and > it was a 'puzzle' to find the bad light bulb. > What I'm not familiar with is the bulb configuration and the hand-painted > exterior. Ours were 'flame'/bullet shaped and the coloring was inside the > bulb not out. We had the same kind, they ran hot as hell, no wonder so many dried out trees caught fire! Whenever I can find replacement bulbs, which is getting harder with each passing year, I buy a pack of blue bulbs and put them in my hallway night light -- the blue light is much less garish than the normal clear bulbs, and it doesn't take any time for my eyes to adjust from waking up in the darkness of my bedroom to walk to the kitchen with the pleasantly blue-lit hallway. Unfortunately, the wattage of those blue bulbs is apparently higher than the standard plug-in night lite can handle, and as a result the nite light circuit fries after 6-9 months of use. But what the hell, they only cost a buck apiece, so I always have spares stored in a kitchen drawer. One blew up in spectacular fashion years ago and left a scorch mark on the wall above the outlet, but all the other ones just stopped working with no theatrics. > > So, yours are older than my days, but I suspect that the base was the > same. > Here's a link to photos of the ornaments I got: http://tinyurl.com/yfw9t5y And I was wrong about what's painted on them, none of them are really "Christmasy" in my view, unless there's some connection between Jack Horner and Xmas that I'm not aware of...... > > ... which for some reason reminds me that I once had a thick greenish > clear glass insulator that went on old powerlines that weren't carrying > all that much voltage compared to today. We used to find those all the time when hiking when I was a kid, they were used on electric railroad posts too, and lots of hiking trails either run along old abandoned railroad beds or cross over them. I never got to one fast enough (finders keeper, ya know), it was like finding a chunk of gold -- anyone who had one was automatically elevated to "cool" ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 14:58:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 15:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf15ua$5ag$1@news.spamcop.net... > > http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/history.htm A Brief History of Electric > Christmas Lighting in America > Aha! Thanks for that link! After I posted my last message I clicked on the "Home" link on the page you provided and found this: http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/1900_1920_page_3.htm My lights are older than I thought -- looks like they were made between 1906 and 1908! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 15:54:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 15:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD39FFA34AE2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> My lights are older than I thought -- looks like they were made >> between 1906 and 1908! > > Whoa. So, um. Can you upgrade them to LED? Ha. Ha. Just talked to my Dad, he says my Grandma was only 6 years old in 1920, so they must have been hand-me downs from HER mother, who I never met, she died before I was born. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:12:19 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:15:10 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] I can't believe it -- two strokes of good luck in one day! Message-ID: I got a voice message over the weekend from the local Wells Fargo mortgage rep that led me into that messy and botched mortgage refinance attempt earlier this year -- he said WF was offering some of their customers free re-fi's at rates that were incredibly low. Many years ago I also got a free re-fi from WF, and in 2006 I did another re-fi that cost me a couple grand. So today I called him to make sure this was really a totally free deal, and he confirmed that it was. He had 3 deals to offer me: 1) 15 years at 4.625%, monthly payments of $1011, $96/month more than my current mortgage, principal paid per month = $363 (double what I'm paying down right now with my 6% loan). 2) 20 years at 5.0% monthly payments of $905, $9/month less than my current mortgage, principal paid per month = $393 (???) 3) 30 years at 5.125% monthly payments of $796, $118/month less than my current mortgage, principal paid per month = n/a At first I was ready to pull the trigger on the 15 year deal, but then I asked about the principal payment on the 20 year loan, which for some strange reason turned out to be $30 higher than the 15 yr loan. WTF? I asked him to double check his amortization calculation and he confirmed it was correct, so I took the 20 year deal since my preference is to pay down the principal as fast as possible, increasing my profits when I eventually sell the house. So now I'm getting a new mortgage for FREE vs. the $4k the refi loan I tried to get with him in Feb. would have cost me, at a full 1% lower than my current rate, and I'll be paying down the principal at more than double what I had been paying! YEE-HAW!!! As an added bonus of sorts, when I get the new loan (about 60 days) I get to skip one mortgage payment as the new loan replaces the old one, in essence serving as that month's payment. And that extra money couldn't have come at a better time, I just ordered 4 new tires from TireRack.com to replace my worn out OEM Michelins -- they have 40k miles on them and are pretty shot. For the last few months I've been skidding a lot in the wet making medium speed tight turns (like exit ramps), although hydroplaning hasn't been a problem, strangely. Luckily my car is almost perfectly balanced weight-wise, so they were all 4 wheel drifts instead of the harder to recover from "one end wants to swap with the other end" kind of skid. I could probably get at least another 5k miles out of them if I lived in a warmer climate, but there's no way I going to risk going into snow season with those things. Turns out the Acura enthusiasts out there consider the OEM Michelins pieces of crap to start with, so I'm getting Continental DWS (Dry Wet Snow) replacments and saving over $400 in the process to boot vs. getting a new set of pricey OEMs, thanks to some Google searching. The grip of these DWS tires is incredible, especially in the wet -- road and skidpad tests showed they beat the pants off of any other tire on the market in the wet, they generate less road noise than the Michelins, and they even have a 50k mile tread warrantee! I can't wait to get them shooed on and check'em out on some of my favorite high-speed exit ramps ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:33:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf11t3$406$1@news.spamcop.net... > The psychologists find that starving and badly injured and orphaned > children of war-torn societies are amazingly resilient psychologically, > No kidding -- I recently met a kid about 22 years old who was from the drug lord mountain region of Colombia, and hearing what he's endured in his short life makes what I've had to deal with in the last 3 years pale in comparison.....I don't think I could have suffered everything he's been thru and not gone insane (or killed one of my/his various tormentors). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:36:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD3854449480sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Any good (interesting) dreams? I don't recall any that I've had lately. > Mind you, I just got a lovely new bed and am sleeping better lol. Want some of mine? I typically have exceptionally vivid dreams almost every night/morning, and when they're bad they ruin my whole day! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:42:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD3C3B3F29DATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > But, yeah, as a teen I had insights that you had much younger, or > something like that. At summer camp they split the boys and girls up for > important prayer meetings. The counselors asked everyone to put their > heads down and they talked about how terrible it was to masturbate or to > have wet dreams. Sure you weren't raised a Catholic? Sounds exactly what they tried to drill into my head......ridiculous.....how the hell are you supposed to avoid a nocturnal emmision? It just happens, can even occur if you're not dreaming about sex, and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop it! And every time I see or hear the word "masturbation" I can't help but think of the song from Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" skit called "Every Sperm is Sacred", LOL. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:46:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD3869BAFB8Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hf184q$63j$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Aha! Thanks for that link! After I posted my last message I clicked on >> the "Home" link on the page you provided and found this: >> http://www.oldchristmaslights.com/1900_1920_page_3.htm >> >> My lights are older than I thought -- looks like they were made >> between 1906 and 1908! >> >> > > Wow, I bet they're worth something after all. Do you have any of the bulbs > like those ones? Did you see the link I posted with the photos of my new antique ornaments? I don't have any exactly like those on that web page, but I sent that link to my Dad and he said he remembered that they used to have a couple of the ones shown on that page, but I guess they broke and got thrown out.