From me at privacy.net Mon Jun 1 18:54:44 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] PING KAT realestate Message-ID: Spoke with my friends. They get less than 10% from the court house steps. Explanation being the mortgage companies will bid up to the balance on the loan to keep the property on the books. (not sure but there is, apparently, some 'face' factor and balance/asset games they can play.) Most of their buys are via bird dog deals. They offer up to $500 per referral that turns. One factor in their success is they have a line of credit that gives them the option to close as quickly as the paperwork can be completed. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 1 22:20:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C1DD6DE453A2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Let's see... To start with, Apple has an ad for Land of the Lost that > says > something about vortexes sucking. Well, there ain't no such thing. > Vortices might suck, however. That leads to vile vortices which lead to > Lost. And looking through the plot summaries, well, it looks like Lost > was > written by and for people who have no clue. But, see, I've never seen it. > It's perhaps the best show on television. Wow. This is getting me > nowhere. Oh well. Nevermind. We now return you to your usual > programming, etc. And here I was hoping someone might explain the premise, coz I really don't want to watch a bunch of episodes to figure it out. Even though I am curious. From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Tue Jun 2 02:11:23 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Tue Jun 2 02:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h0228p$p48$1@news.spamcop.net... > And here I was hoping someone might explain the premise, coz I really > don't want to watch a bunch of episodes to figure it out. Even though I am > curious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series) ? -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Tue Jun 2 05:03:26 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Tue Jun 2 05:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Wireless connection question Message-ID: I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or anything but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at any given time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* is using the network. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 07:54:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Tue Jun 2 07:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h02pst$50t$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or anything > but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at any given > time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* is using the > network. > > -- > Bob > http://www.kanyak.com on windows, show network under my computer should do it, also the router itself should report that via its interface (mine is html so I just open the router address 192.168.1.254 in a browser). From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Tue Jun 2 07:59:43 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gezgin said the following on 02/06/09 16:11: > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:h0228p$p48$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> And here I was hoping someone might explain the premise, coz I really >> don't want to watch a bunch of episodes to figure it out. Even though >> I am curious. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_(TV_series) ? Wrong show. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Lost_(1974_TV_series) It has a great theme song, very back woods Deliverance even, sing along with me - Marshall, Will, and Holly, on a routine expedition, met the greatest earthquake ever known, aaaagh. http://www.landofthelost.com/lotltheme.mp3 From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 08:03:18 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: OUCH!!!! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gvusdf$7kp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > : > > And that point made it any less painful? > no, not at all it's still painful to remember muchless watch again... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 08:05:31 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: For Charles References: <002c2eaa$0$29256$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <00686c97$0$6434$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <09c430b6-d185-4650-b12f-d33743cd2f17@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <006875aa$0$6465$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gvusdg$7kp$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bill" wrote in message > news:gvuocd$nqe$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:gvpi9u$bms$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1570280/bear_after_beer/ > : > > : > > : > > : > > : > : Would be funny to see how the Bear acted when the beer ran out????? > : > : just curious... > > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/257508/drunk_bear/ > > I'd be more concerned about being around when the bear woke up with a > hangover. > > > > LOL, poor bear... true though, I wouldn't want to be around when she woke up afterward From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 08:11:59 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h02pst$50t$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or anything > but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at any given > time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* is using the > network. > > -- > Bob > http://www.kanyak.com Depending on who made the router, most of them have a web based interface for config and for status' http://192.168.1.1 or .0.1 Just login with the admin pass and you can see just about everything that's going on with it. If your ISP supplied the router. accessing it might be a little different so you might need to contact them to ask. also, you do have a wep key set on it right? That will keep anyone who doesn't know the key off of your connection (stealing your service/sending spam from your connection/browsing your network shares) even though wep keys can be broken by a determined person... Bill From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Tue Jun 2 08:40:41 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Tue Jun 2 08:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Bill" wrote > Depending on who made the router, most of them have a web based interface > for config and for status' > http://192.168.1.1 or .0.1 > Just login with the admin pass and you can see just about everything > that's going on with it. > also, you do have a wep key set on it right? That will keep anyone who > doesn't know the key off of your connection (stealing your service/sending > spam from your connection/browsing your network shares) even though wep > keys can be broken by a determined person... That's the reason I'm feeling slightly paranoid... ;-) I did a Google search on "network sniffer" and it fetches up a bunch of links. Is something like that what I'm looking for? Any ideas? -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From me at privacy.net Tue Jun 2 12:18:34 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: For Charles References: <002c2eaa$0$29256$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <00686c97$0$6434$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <09c430b6-d185-4650-b12f-d33743cd2f17@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <006875aa$0$6465$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Message-ID: "Bill" wrote in message news:h034ib$pqr$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:gvusdg$7kp$2@news.spamcop.net... : > : > "Bill" wrote in message : > news:gvuocd$nqe$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : > : news:gvpi9u$bms$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1570280/bear_after_beer/ : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : Would be funny to see how the Bear acted when the beer ran out????? : > : : > : just curious... : > : > http://www.metacafe.com/watch/257508/drunk_bear/ : > : > I'd be more concerned about being around when the bear woke up with a : > hangover. : LOL, poor bear... : : true though, I wouldn't want to be around when she woke up afterward When I was a kid one of my uncles was engineering manager for the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans. There was a permanent party maintance crew that had adopted an orphaned chimp. Chimp actually lived with one of the crew (long term bachelor) and was quite sociable. In any case at a company party the chimp managed to access several kegs of beer that were iced down and tapped in the kitchen. Chimp passed out and was put to bed in a pantry closet. Needless to say he was not a happy camper the next morning or the day after. Did not hurt anyone but you knew not to mess with him. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 12:51:16 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gezgin wrote: > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or > anything but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at > any given time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* > is using the network. What type of router is it? Most (all?) have an administration panel that you can access via a browser from within the LAN. Just try or . You'll need a username and password to connect. The router's manual should tell you what the defaults are. (For some, it's a blank username and "admin" as the password.) First thing once you're there -- change the password! Otherwise, anyone can log in to the control panel. Second thing -- changed the SSID, and perhaps even disable "SSID broadcast". You'd be surprised how many non-encrypted "linksys" wireless networks I see around. (And, just for fun, I have logged into the control panel of some, just to see if they changed the default password. Once in, I never change anything, of course.) Once logged in, there should be a "status" option, which will show all of the connections currently being used. And, if you are paranoid enough, you can also enable "MAC address filtering", where you explicitly set what computers can connect wirelessly, by specifying their MAC address. It will reject any others. (Make sure you get them correct, and/or can connect wired, lest you be left unable to talk to your own router.) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 2 13:23:20 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:25:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h036k8$jk$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Bill" wrote > >> Depending on who made the router, most of them have a web based interface >> for config and for status' >> http://192.168.1.1 or .0.1 >> Just login with the admin pass and you can see just about everything >> that's going on with it. > >> also, you do have a wep key set on it right? That will keep anyone who >> doesn't know the key off of your connection (stealing your >> service/sending spam from your connection/browsing your network shares) >> even though wep keys can be broken by a determined person... > > That's the reason I'm feeling slightly paranoid... ;-) > > I did a Google search on "network sniffer" and it fetches up a bunch of > links. Is something like that what I'm looking for? Any ideas? > > -- > Bob > http://www.kanyak.com in a command window run ipconfig then look for the gateway IP, it'll likely be 192.168.X.Y where XY are either 0.1 or 0.255 just open a browser with http://192.168.... as found for the gateway, and you will likely be in the routers interface. I recommend you use WPA encraption and use a 63 byte key, unfortunately that means keeping the key on a floppy or thumb drive to be able to enter it on wifi machines. this site can generate a pseudorandom key for you: https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jun 2 13:35:11 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gezgin wrote: > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or > anything but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at > any given time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* > is using the network. > Yes, you should be able to see a list of all connected clients, especially if you use DHCP. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jun 2 19:07:23 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: Gezgin wrote earlier: > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or > anything but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at > any given time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* > is using the network. > "Bill" >> Depending on who made the router, most of them have a web based >> interface for config and for status' >> http://192.168.1.1 or .0.1 >> Just login with the admin pass and you can see just about everything >> that's going on with it. > >> also, you do have a wep key set on it right? That will keep anyone who >> doesn't know the key off of your connection (stealing your >> service/sending spam from your connection/browsing your network >> shares) even though wep keys can be broken by a determined person... > > That's the reason I'm feeling slightly paranoid... ;-) > > I did a Google search on "network sniffer" and it fetches up a bunch of > links. Is something like that what I'm looking for? Any ideas? Altho' this stuff is like spamcop.geeks rather than social, the topic rules aren't too tight around here :-) It isn't clear to me what your 'intentions' are and what your concerns are. Also, it would be easier to answer your questions more specifically if you stated: -1- what your router's brand and modelno are -2- whether your security setting is none/open, WEP, or WPA. There are a world of reasons why you shouldn't be running open. There are some lesser but not insignificant reasons you should be using WPA instead of WEP. If you are secure and you are just interested in seeing the activity of your permitted users, that is one thing. If you are open and you are interested in 'probing' any insecurities of someone who is using your open network by implementing something like wireshark, that is another matter. If your LAN is secure, but you are interested in seeing the activity of those who would probe your connectivity IP from the WAN, something like WallWatcher might be useful for evaluating logs, depending on which router you have. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Jun 2 21:48:13 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: In article , Charles wrote: > Let's see... To start with, Apple has an ad for Land of the Lost that says > something about vortexes sucking. Well, there ain't no such thing. > Vortices might suck, however. My dictionary says "vortexes" is acceptable as a plural of "vortex." Foreign words imported into English are often pluralized according to English rules; we don't say "stadia," for example. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 3 00:19:40 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 3 00:20:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "D.F. Manno" >> Foreign words imported into English are often pluralized according to >> English rules; we don't say "stadia," for example. > > Well maybe some of us do. And maybe some of us say formulae, too, as > the plural for formula. The wiki has a nice discussion of this issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_plural "This article discusses the variety of ways in which English plurals are formed." You would particularly like the section, "Irregular plurals from Latin and Greek" Personally I was bemused by the section, "Words better known in the plural" ... but also some others. That's a nice little article. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 3 07:47:54 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Wed Jun 3 07:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-D7B725.21481302062009@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Charles wrote: > >> Let's see... To start with, Apple has an ad for Land of the Lost that >> says >> something about vortexes sucking. Well, there ain't no such thing. >> Vortices might suck, however. > > My dictionary says "vortexes" is acceptable as a plural of "vortex." > Foreign words imported into English are often pluralized according to > English rules; we don't say "stadia," for example. What? Really? We used to. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jun 3 09:27:41 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: For Charles References: <002c2eaa$0$29256$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <00686c97$0$6434$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> <09c430b6-d185-4650-b12f-d33743cd2f17@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <006875aa$0$6465$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h03jdl$hc7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bill" wrote in message > news:h034ib$pqr$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:gvusdg$7kp$2@news.spamcop.net... > : > > When I was a kid one of my uncles was engineering manager for the Audubon > Zoo in New Orleans. There was a permanent party maintance crew that had > adopted an orphaned chimp. Chimp actually lived with one of the crew > (long > term bachelor) and was quite sociable. > > In any case at a company party the chimp managed to access several kegs of > beer that were iced down and tapped in the kitchen. Chimp passed out and > was put to bed in a pantry closet. Needless to say he was not a happy > camper the next morning or the day after. > > Did not hurt anyone but you knew not to mess with him. > > > I bet... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jun 3 09:35:05 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:40:06 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h036k8$jk$1@news.spamcop.net... > That's the reason I'm feeling slightly paranoid... ;-) > > I did a Google search on "network sniffer" and it fetches up a bunch of > links. Is something like that what I'm looking for? Any ideas? > > -- > Bob > http://www.kanyak.com looks like everyone is giving you a veritable smorgasbord of tips and info :) there's several good ones in the replies, so I won't be redundant... Bill From joegill at removethis Wed Jun 3 15:00:06 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h02pst$50t$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've set up a wireless router/modem network in our house that our two > desktops and two laptops are connected to. Not to be paranoid or anything > but is there a way to see who is connected to the network at any given > time? I'm not so much concerned with traffic volume as *who* is using the > network. > > -- > Bob > http://www.kanyak.com 1) What is the make/model of router (ie: Linksys WRT54G) Then , I know you said "...not to be paranoid or anything...", but I would be paranoid. If someone want to hack, illegally access etc. they will usually find the path of least resistance! That should NOT be YOU! A) To add to what others have said, I have disabled wireless access to the administration panel. B) Make sure the 'firmware' is up to date on the router. This hopefully addresses know security holes in other levels of the firmware. C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business name, domain name, etc. D) Since you may be changing settings, I always adjust the 'channel' to the most 'unused' in my area out of (1, 6 or 11) E) Become unpingable from the internet. From bert at iphouse.com Wed Jun 3 18:58:22 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: In news:h06h7p$3mh$1@news.spamcop.net "Joe Gill" wrote: > C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that > does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business > name, domain name, etc. On the other hand, there's somebody in the neighborhood running an apparently open AP with the SSID set to "wanna get a virus?". I guess you'd call that security through social engineering. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Jun 3 21:49:04 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture References: Message-ID: In article , "bar0" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > Charles wrote: > > > >> Let's see... To start with, Apple has an ad for Land of the Lost that > >> says something about vortexes sucking. Well, there ain't no such thing. > >> Vortices might suck, however. > > > > My dictionary says "vortexes" is acceptable as a plural of "vortex." > > Foreign words imported into English are often pluralized according to > > English rules; we don't say "stadia," for example. > > What? Really? We used to. According to Google: stadiums 8,080,000 stadia 2,070,000 And some of the latter hits are not for sporting locales: references to the Stadia font, a surveyor's instrument ("stadia rod"), etc. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From user at domain.invalid Wed Jun 3 22:32:53 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Out of touch with pop culture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > According to Google: > > stadiums 8,080,000 > stadia 2,070,000 > > And some of the latter hits are not for sporting locales: references to > the Stadia font, a surveyor's instrument ("stadia rod"), etc. OTOH milleniums - millenium's 162,000 (many/most seem to be the 'possessive', not plural) 2,320,000 millenia I am surprised. I am (oddly) gladdened. But then: referendums 1,060,000 referenda 1,920,000 People are funny. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 4 11:20:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: My life... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C09E05DA8105sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > David Dean wrote in news:v8ltfuv02- > 217299.11013912052009@killface.local: > > Have you been watching the Alzheimer's series on HBO? It's heart wrenching > stuff, even for someone not affected directly by it. I swear, if I or my > husband ever tests positive for it, we'll be making a living will to be > allowed to die rather than linger on. > Coming into this thread late, been busy trying to rebuild my computer after the clean wipe. I can understand the dementia issue, my father's second wife left him a month ago and her oncoming dementia had a lot to do with it. Can't say my Dad handled it very well, he got very frustrated with her forgetting things he had already told her 3-4 times that very day and that led to angry confrontations. Empathy was never one of his better traits......and I think that his second marriage was more one of convenience than real love, he never got over losing my mother to cancer. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jun 4 21:59:41 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:00:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Regarding Charles... Message-ID: Looks like someone had a little too much coffee today... From joegill at removethis Fri Jun 5 01:45:47 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Jun 5 01:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Disturbing roundabout payment method In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C20D177F5B7CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I recently purchased some stuff for work. They asked for a CC number and I > faxed that to them. They called back and asked to confirm the number and > magic number. I just (8+ hours later) received a receipt for my purchase. > A receipt from PayPal. Now... WTF? I didn't agree to go through PayPal. > What is going on here and does this sound remotely legit or legal? Companies can use PayPal to do CC processing. PayPal makes a strong case (financially) for using them as your processor. From user at domain.invalid Fri Jun 5 03:30:12 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jun 5 03:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Epic problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > What a fricking great song, man. So, right in the middle, near the best > part, the SO switches the CD over to some crunchy cowpoke stuff. Sheesh. Never mind - here are the lyrics: "Congratulations. Stop. Wish I could be there. Stop. Tell me something I don't know. Is there anything left to know? Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory We regret to inform. Stop. Miss you dearly Signed sincerely. Stop. Tell me something that I don't know Is there anything left to know? Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory Accessory To the time time time time. I've got this epic problem, This epic problem's not a problem for me, And inside I know I'm broken, But I'm working as far as you can see. I've got this epic problem, This epic problem's not a problem for me, And inside I know I'm broken, But I'm working as far as you can see, And outside it's all production, It's all illusion, set scenery. I've got this epic problem This epic problem's not a problem for me." Sing it in your head, she can't go there (no-one can). From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Jun 5 06:29:39 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jun 5 06:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Regarding Charles... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h09u6b$6hh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Looks like someone had a little too much coffee today... I agree. Or maybe not enough tea. From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Fri Jun 5 07:58:42 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Black boxes References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat scribed: >This whole Air France thing got me to wondering why they don't pack these >flight data recorders into something that will trigger a flotation device >if it comes into contact with water. Why can't they make the cabin one big black box? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jun 5 10:13:55 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jun 5 10:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message news:Xns9C1FB6D4AB95BVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... > In news:h06h7p$3mh$1@news.spamcop.net "Joe Gill" > wrote: > >> C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that >> does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business >> name, domain name, etc. > > On the other hand, there's somebody in the neighborhood running an > apparently open AP with the SSID set to "wanna get a virus?". > > I guess you'd call that security through social engineering. > > -- > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com HAHA!!!! that's great!!!! From me at privacy.net Fri Jun 5 23:36:07 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jun 5 23:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? Message-ID: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1137883380?bctid=17075685001 A hoot and a half. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 6 22:33:44 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 6 22:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Disturbing roundabout payment method References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > I recently purchased some stuff for work. No security measure there. > They asked for a CC number > and I faxed that to them. No security measure there. > They called back and asked to confirm the > number and magic number. There's a security measure. Result they have a telno that works which creates some kind of identity usually and also the likelihood that you are the cardholder with the little number on the back of the card. Now they are ready to actually process the transaction; except that they don't have a merchant account for that CC. They just have a paypal arrangement. That's an entirely different thing than CC merchant credit credentials. Anyone on ebay can have a paypal merchant account. The bar is much much much lower. > I just (8+ hours later) received a receipt > for my purchase. A receipt from PayPal. Now... WTF? I didn't agree > to go through PayPal. What is going on here and does this sound > remotely legit or legal? It costs them/ that merchant/ more to process a transaction via paypal than when they are a merchant for that CC. The paypal merchant also has other disadvantages. I also think that your protections are different in the transaction. When you transact with a merchant who is a merchant of your CC (not debit card), the customer has the first position. If the customer sez 'there's a problem with this transaction' then the CC co's first position is in support of the CC customer. That is, the dispute is assumed to have merit from the gitgo, but it still has to be worked out -- the CC co doesn't just 'go with' the cardholder's version of the debate. But, the charge is in 'limbo' -- and the card holder can not pay that part of their bill while the charge is in limbo. OTOH -- in cases of debit cards and other transactions such as paypal, the dispute assumptions work differently. The charge (and requirement for payment) is a done deal. If the card holder wants to dispute the charge, they are doing it from the perspective of paying their CC bill first. Only if they somehow manage to 'win' the dispute can they somehow get 'their money back' and then only if the 'thing' that (eventually) got the money is able to give it back. If the thing is gone (not financially present), they (the cardholder who paid hir bill)don't get hir money back as if by magic from the CC co. The CC co's position is *not* the one to be left holding the bag if somehow someone who is righteous needs to be holding a bag. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Jun 7 08:46:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Jun 7 08:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: All that's left is the normal ones References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C227E7FF6FEATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Shucks. My crazy old uncle died. Bummer. What made him 'crazy'. was he eccentric? Hoarder? Mad scientist? Genius? From acmeanvil at fishnet.com Sun Jun 7 21:49:33 2009 From: acmeanvil at fishnet.com (rooster) Date: Sun Jun 7 21:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Paging Mike Easter Message-ID: Mike; Long story; not important. I'm trying to verify an address in DeKalb TX given to me by a known scammer. I can't find it on any records I know how to access. I know you've got the skills and the tools and I'm hoping you might give it a shot. I don't want to refute him categorically on a public venue unless I get a second, more reliable, opinion. As you can see, it 'don't just look right; neither'. 3398 CR 4235 DeKalb, TX If you'd like more info on the character, I'd prefer to do it via SC PM... you understand... - Happy trails, rooster boundary beach, bc From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 7 22:39:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: rooster wrote: > Long story; not important. I'm trying to verify an address in > DeKalb TX given to me by a known scammer. > I can't find it on any records I know how to access. I know > you've got the skills and the tools and I'm hoping > you might give it a shot. I don't want to refute him > categorically on a public venue unless I get a second, more > reliable, opinion. As you can see, it 'don't just look right; > neither'. > > 3398 CR 4235 DeKalb, TX A lot of rural area residences (farm/ranch/ house with a few acres) in TX are on county roads. DeKalb is up in the tippy tip top of NE TX just west of Texarkana in Bowie Co. I don't have a view of a good map of Bowie Co which shows that county road 4235, but it is 'recognized' in a Bowie Co sheriff's report about an incident, so it must exist. I recently went to TX north and east of Austin which ranch was given an alleged house number on a county road just like you have, ie 3398 (county road 4235). Naturally his friends and neighbors never considered that his house had a street number on a county road; they just drive onto the place by driving under the Fox Ranch sign at the gate. The city which is given, such as DeKalb in this case, may not be the local town that the residents think they live in, ie Taylor vs Circleville in my friend's case. Google maps didn't characterize the town where he lived the same way his family did. Googlemaps also allegedly recognizes county road 4235 in DeKalb, but I wouldn't trust the location where they want to put it down south of DeKalb near College Hill. Sometimes googlemaps is completely whacky. > If you'd like more info on the character, I'd prefer to do it > via SC PM... you understand... Well, I'm not much of a forum person, or its accoutrements such as PM, but you are welcome to email me something at mike.easter@gmail.com. Meanwhile I'll keep working on finding a real Tx map of Bowie Co which shows that county road. I have one, but it isn't near as userfriendly as googlemaps and I can't find the CR no. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 7 22:49:08 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > rooster wrote: >> 3398 CR 4235 DeKalb, TX > Googlemaps also allegedly recognizes county road 4235 in DeKalb, > Meanwhile I'll keep working on finding a real Tx map of Bowie Co The USPS also recognizes 3398 county road 4235, DeKalb, TX giving it a zip9 and full address in usps standard format: 3398 COUNTY ROAD 4235 DE KALB TX 7559-3881 .. and there's a lot of other mailing industry information such as the carrier route, delivery point code and so forth. If you were doing some serious sleuthing, I'll bet you could easily find out the name of the carrier and have a telephone conversation about what's at the addy. Texas folks are very warm and friendly and helpful. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 7 22:51:41 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 7 22:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: A 5 escaped. They don't like to hang around in 3/s. Mike Easter wrote: > 3398 COUNTY ROAD 4235 > DE KALB TX 7559-3881 DE KALB TX 75559-3881 -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 8 00:16:07 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 8 00:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Meanwhile I'll keep working on finding a real Tx map of Bowie Co which > shows that county road. I found CR 4235 on a mapquest map. It crosses 44 just a tad north of the community of College Hill and extends to the west to 259 just north of Darby Springs. It also extends to the east, but MapQuest locates the address as being on the segment of 4235 west of College Hill. That is also consistent with googlemaps general guess which doesn't identify all/ any of/ those Bowie county roads (at all) like mapquest does. There are very very few people living in and around College Hill TX according to the Texas State Historical Assn's website -- so anyone who lives around there would know your pal. It is also possible to correlate the mapquest view with the googlemaps view and see a googlemaps sat image of where the address should be according to mapquest. If we had a Predator with some armament we could... you know. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 8 10:57:33 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Jun 8 11:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > "Bert Hyman" wrote in message > news:Xns9C1FB6D4AB95BVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >> In news:h06h7p$3mh$1@news.spamcop.net "Joe Gill" >> wrote: >> >>> C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that >>> does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business >>> name, domain name, etc. >> On the other hand, there's somebody in the neighborhood running an >> apparently open AP with the SSID set to "wanna get a virus?". >> >> I guess you'd call that security through social engineering. >> >> -- >> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com > > HAHA!!!! > > that's great!!!! Some time back, I read about someone who had set up an open WAP on purpose, and had the WAP use his Linux box for a proxy. (His neighbor kept piggybacking on his connection.) The proxy then did a few, ahem, "fun" things with network traffic. For example, it would pass images from web pages through a filter which would make them fuzzy, or flip them upside down. -- Kenneth Brody From joegill at removethis Mon Jun 8 13:24:18 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Jun 8 13:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h0j8t9$snr$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bill wrote: >> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message >> news:Xns9C1FB6D4AB95BVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >>> In news:h06h7p$3mh$1@news.spamcop.net "Joe Gill" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that >>>> does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business >>>> name, domain name, etc. >>> On the other hand, there's somebody in the neighborhood running an >>> apparently open AP with the SSID set to "wanna get a virus?". >>> >>> I guess you'd call that security through social engineering. >>> >>> -- >>> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com >> >> HAHA!!!! >> >> that's great!!!! > > Some time back, I read about someone who had set up an open WAP on > purpose, and had the WAP use his Linux box for a proxy. (His neighbor > kept piggybacking on his connection.) The proxy then did a few, ahem, > "fun" things with network traffic. For example, it would pass images from > web pages through a filter which would make them fuzzy, or flip them > upside down. > > -- > Kenneth Brody There is a side of me, that when I see and 'open' WAP, would want to do one or more of the following: A) Log on to the wap and change just a couple things! 1) Change securtiy to WPA2 with a goofy password 2) Change the password on router maint panel. 3) This is of course, after I could plant an image of 'the finger' on their desktop along with an explanation of what I had done, and instructions on how to clean up their act! B) Do that the person you described above did, but route ALL requests to a website that talks about security... But luckily that side of me never wins :) From me at privacy.net Mon Jun 8 19:11:33 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jun 8 19:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: "A traffic stop for speeding in Travis County, Texas, led to the Tasering of a 72-year-old great-grandmother by a deputy." Somebody should tell the cop that, no matter his intentions, Tasering a 72-year-old is probably NOT a good resume builder. http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m6d2-Texas-cop-Tasers-greatgrandmother From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 8 19:56:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Jun 8 20:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: "rooster" wrote in message news:h0hqp8$3ev$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike; > > Long story; not important. I'm trying to verify an address in > DeKalb TX given to me by a known scammer. > I can't find it on any records I know how to access. I know > you've got the skills and the tools and I'm hoping > you might give it a shot. I don't want to refute him > categorically on a public venue unless I get a second, more > reliable, opinion. As you can see, it 'don't just look right; neither'. > > 3398 CR 4235 DeKalb, TX > > If you'd like more info on the character, I'd prefer to do it via SC PM... > you understand... > - > Happy trails, > rooster > boundary beach, bc Well the Location is Plausible, there is a 2298+/- County Rd. 4235 in DeKalb, and there appears to be a farmhouse there. The zip would be 75559 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 8 20:06:36 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Jun 8 20:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter References: Message-ID: "rooster" wrote in message news:h0hqp8$3ev$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike; > > Long story; not important. I'm trying to verify an address in > DeKalb TX given to me by a known scammer. ... That's not the guy who sold a system to use spare electricity to hydrolyse water and inject the resulting stream of oxygen (good luck) and hydrogen into the fuel mixture thereby purportedly increasing mileage and beating the 2nd law to the school system in the Kootenay district? From user at domain.invalid Mon Jun 8 21:55:10 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny In-Reply-To: References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "A traffic stop for speeding in Travis County, Texas, led to the Tasering of > a 72-year-old great-grandmother by a deputy." > Great-Grannies live too long anyway, it's unnatural. Bet she had tats and all. 'Soylent green', I've said it before. http://rockofsisyphus.wordpress.com/2008/06/ From acmeanvil at fishnet.com Mon Jun 8 22:24:38 2009 From: acmeanvil at fishnet.com (rooster) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:30:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paging Mike Easter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > "rooster" wrote in message > news:h0hqp8$3ev$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Mike; >> >> Long story; not important. I'm trying to verify an address in >> DeKalb TX given to me by a known scammer. > ... > Mike; I was able to get a ?soft? confirmation by googling vars of the address that James' wife Sharon did use 3398 CR 4235 DeKalb, TX as a mailing address some 5 months ago. I'm about 80% confident the address is legit...although he implies ownership of the property. Not the case though. It appears he leases the property which is no biggie. > That's not the guy who sold a system to use spare electricity to hydrolyse > water and inject the resulting stream of oxygen (good luck) and hydrogen > into the fuel mixture thereby purportedly increasing mileage and beating the > 2nd law to the school system in the Kootenay district? > > bar0; Nope. This chap is a Texan trying to supplement his income by publishing some "Tall Tales From a Texan's Tailpipe". I've been pretty hard on him. But based on what I found today, could be just another case of a middle aged guy who's been clobbered by a crappy economy (Thank you, Dubbya) and who's cobbled a cv that's got him in over his head; ...education wise. I'm a bit ambivalent about how to proceed with him. Might be better to take it out of the public domain (I have his email address) and spare him unnecessary, and pointless, dressing downs. You know "Justice without mercy ...." and like that. -- Happy trails, rooster boundary beach, bc From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jun 9 05:15:45 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jun 9 05:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Tasering of a 72-year-old great-grandmother - white female speeding 60 in a 45 construction zone, workmen present - traffic stop, citation written - angry driver refuses to sign the citation's promise to appear in court, sez "Arrest me" amidst profanities and exits her car on the roadway near traffic - officer is presented with the problem of subduing and arresting a noncompliant defiant and aggressive detainee in a traffic environment that is mutually dangerous - chooses taser as opposed to lethal force, club/stick, or pepper spray I see that stuff on my TV station's COPS all the time. Oh, yeah. In this case the white female happens to be 72 instead of 27, naturally has more than one generation of offspring, and the officer apparently isn't very good at persuasive conversation to achieve his goals. The cops on TV are always on their best persuasive and helpful behavior in front of the cameras. (I guess) If the cops just wouldn't interfere with otherwise law-abiding people going about their weekly shopping like this, these complications wouldn't happen. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Tue Jun 9 08:25:39 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jun 9 08:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince scribed: > > http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1137883380?bctid=17075685001 A hoot and a half. I've seen this, it's advertising hype for digital LED technology. They make it look as if they are using amateur video equipment, but, most of the spectacle is done on editing equipment using special effects. They then initially sneak it onto You Tube and thousands of people believe it. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 9 11:16:58 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Jun 9 11:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Frog Prince scribed: > >> >> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1137883380?bctid=17075685001 >> A hoot and a half. > > I've seen this, it's advertising hype for digital LED technology. They > make it look as if they are using amateur video equipment, but, most of > the spectacle is done on editing equipment using special effects. They > then initially sneak it onto You Tube and thousands of people believe it. I really don't care what sort of equipment was used. I would like to know, however, if the dogs and sheep actually did what the videos show, or if any "special effects" added some detail, beyond sound and the Pong score. -- Kenneth Brody From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jun 9 13:30:41 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Tue Jun 9 13:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wireless connection question References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h0jhgn$2bt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h0j8t9$snr$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Bill wrote: >>> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message >>> news:Xns9C1FB6D4AB95BVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >>>> In news:h06h7p$3mh$1@news.spamcop.net "Joe Gill" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> C) I as for naming the SSID, I would suggest some nonsense name that >>>>> does not attract attention. I would not use your last name, business >>>>> name, domain name, etc. >>>> On the other hand, there's somebody in the neighborhood running an >>>> apparently open AP with the SSID set to "wanna get a virus?". >>>> >>>> I guess you'd call that security through social engineering. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com >>> >>> HAHA!!!! >>> >>> that's great!!!! >> >> Some time back, I read about someone who had set up an open WAP on >> purpose, and had the WAP use his Linux box for a proxy. (His neighbor >> kept piggybacking on his connection.) The proxy then did a few, ahem, >> "fun" things with network traffic. For example, it would pass images >> from web pages through a filter which would make them fuzzy, or flip them >> upside down. >> >> -- >> Kenneth Brody > > There is a side of me, that when I see and 'open' WAP, would want to do > one or more of the following: > A) Log on to the wap and change just a couple things! > 1) Change securtiy to WPA2 with a goofy password > 2) Change the password on router maint panel. > 3) This is of course, after I could plant an image of 'the finger' on > their desktop along with an explanation of what I had done, and > instructions on how to clean up their act! > B) Do that the person you described above did, but route ALL requests to a > website that talks about security... > But luckily that side of me never wins :) well there's always the "one secured network, then one open one scenario", and the open one (once configured) has only the power cable connected to it and maybe an old machine or laptop to look at it's connections, maybe an SSID of "free-wifi" on that one? LOL... That could/would/has caused hours and hours of fun with tech support trying to figure out why their brand new laptop they just paid $XXX.XX for won't get online....... especially if every so often, you plug it into your real router for 5 or 10 minutes, then unplug it again... shh, don't ask... LOL Bill From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jun 9 13:33:56 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jun 9 13:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> and the officer >> apparently isn't very good at persuasive conversation to achieve his >> goals. > > Isn't that the majority of the problem here? Even assuming force was > necessary, was a taser really the required force? I think there's a big problem when an officer has a noncompliant enraged possibly hysterical (as in getting out of the car onto the roadway right of way) nutcase - typically expletives and profanities are yelled/screamed rather than whispered and typically they are verbally abusive. That is a pretty high level of noncompliant noncooperation that requires something or other. Officers are trained and accustomed to 'taking charge' of a situation with a noncompliant perpetrator, and somewhere along the way the taking charge goes way beyond conversation. I don't think it makes any difference if the perp is male or female or how many pounds they weigh. It should not be up to the officer to put himself in harms way - including the traffic - to try to achieve some level of cooperation in a situation which had spun out of control. I wouldn't be interested in wrestling with any old ladies if I were a cop. For all I know, the crazy old lady may be demented and shouldn't even be allowed to drive to and from the store on public roads. > Even pepper spray > seems excessive when you're talking about a woman that probably weighs > eighty pounds less than the officer. This problem about what is and isn't excessive is being treated as if it were an academic exercise being debated in the courtroom for the litigation. Just like some zany perpetrators want to commit suicide/death by cop, this crazy lady was out of her gourd in her rage or whatever and was trying to both be arrested but refusing to cooperate. That's like saying, "So what are you going to do about it, big boy! You can't make me do anything -- do anything with me that I don't want." > I don't even know why you mention > the use of a club as even a remote possibility. The business of what one or more officers have to use on a single suspect in an effort to achieve supremacy in the subduing of arrestees is a process which has been televised numerous times. Whether the suspect is crazy on speed or crazy because the arteries on her brain have become dysfunctional still results in way inappropriate and irrational behavior. > Maybe we should have TV crews following around all officers If that's > the only way to keep police within reasonable boundaries. How come no one seems to be blaming the old lady for being nuts and a dangerous public menace -- driving around a multithousand pound lethal weapon near innocent workmen? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Jun 9 14:36:31 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jun 9 15:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h0ludo$e4t$1@news.spamcop.net... : Canopus wrote: : > Frog Prince scribed: : > : >> : >> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1137883380?bctid=17075685001 : >> A hoot and a half. : > : > I've seen this, it's advertising hype for digital LED technology. They : > make it look as if they are using amateur video equipment, but, most of : > the spectacle is done on editing equipment using special effects. They : > then initially sneak it onto You Tube and thousands of people believe it. : : I really don't care what sort of equipment was used. I would like to know, : however, if the dogs and sheep actually did what the videos show, or if any : "special effects" added some detail, beyond sound and the Pong score. : : -- : Kenneth Brody Wife and kids were into obedience and working dog training a looooong time back. I have no doubt that there are herding dogs that are fully capable of much of that. The question comes if the sheep will cooperate. We had a sheltie that was invited to a neighbor's 5 year old's birthday party. Party was at a small amusement park. We did not notice until it came time to send the kids home that the dog had worked the entire party keeping the kids together and away from things they had no business playing with. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 9 17:48:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Tue Jun 9 17:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h0mb6s$23p$1@news.spamcop.net... > .... > We had a sheltie that was invited to a neighbor's 5 year old's birthday > party. Party was at a small amusement park. We did not notice until it > came time to send the kids home that the dog had worked the entire party > keeping the kids together and away from things they had no business > playing > with. > That's what shepherds do. In my wife's case whenever her family had a party the dog would herd everyone into the kitchen within about 20 minutes. No one noticed until someone mentioned it. My Collies and shepherds have done the same thing. I Imagine that this behaviour among some dogs must have been noticed by some herder at one point, which began the cycle of breeding and training for the trait. From me at privacy.net Tue Jun 9 22:33:06 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jun 9 22:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h0mlc8$uch$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:h0mb6s$23p$1@news.spamcop.net... : > : .... : > We had a sheltie that was invited to a neighbor's 5 year old's birthday : > party. Party was at a small amusement park. We did not notice until it : > came time to send the kids home that the dog had worked the entire party : > keeping the kids together and away from things they had no business : > playing with. : > : That's what shepherds do. In my wife's case whenever her family had a party : the dog would herd everyone into the kitchen within about 20 minutes. No one : noticed until someone mentioned it. : : My Collies and shepherds have done the same thing. I Imagine that this : behavior among some dogs must have been noticed by some herder at one : point, which began the cycle of breeding and training for the trait. : Dog was a natural, had considerable obedience but no formal herding training and apparently really got into the job. Regardless as soon as the word got out the dog was on the 'A' list for all the kid parties, especially group trips. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 9 23:12:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Tue Jun 9 23:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h0n61c$jpm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:h0mlc8$uch$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : "Frog Prince" wrote in message > : news:h0mb6s$23p$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > > : .... > : > We had a sheltie that was invited to a neighbor's 5 year old's > birthday > : > party. Party was at a small amusement park. We did not notice > until > it > : > came time to send the kids home that the dog had worked the entire > party > : > keeping the kids together and away from things they had no business > : > playing with. > : > > : That's what shepherds do. In my wife's case whenever her family had a > party > : the dog would herd everyone into the kitchen within about 20 minutes. No > one > : noticed until someone mentioned it. > : > : My Collies and shepherds have done the same thing. I Imagine that this > : behavior among some dogs must have been noticed by some herder at one > : point, which began the cycle of breeding and training for the trait. > : > > Dog was a natural, had considerable obedience but no formal herding > training > and apparently really got into the job. Regardless as soon as the word > got > out the dog was on the 'A' list for all the kid parties, especially group > trips. Given that none of the dogs I mentioned had ever been trained as herders, my istinct tells me that herding behaviour occurred in wild dogs, before it was taken advantage of by man. Unless you believe Lysenkos theory of learned inheritance. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 10 00:11:23 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 10 00:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > Given that none of the dogs I mentioned had ever been trained as > herders, my istinct tells me that herding behaviour occurred in wild > dogs, before it was taken advantage of by man. Unless you believe > Lysenkos theory of learned inheritance. That Lysenkos theory statement should have some kind of grimace or sarcasm emoticon attached to it. Lysenko was a misguided charlatan whose beliefs were foisted upon Russian agricultural genetics by the Soviet propaganda machine -- much to the lasting disaster on those sciences in Russia because of the execution and imprisonment of normal/sane geneticists there. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Wed Jun 10 15:39:36 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] New Element in the periodic table Message-ID: http://www.rdmag.com/ShowPR.aspx?PUBCODE=014&ACCT=1400000101&ISSUE=0906&RELTYPE=PSC&PRODCODE=00000000&PRODLETT=FI&CommonCount=0 From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 10 17:19:04 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Element in the periodic table References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: The periodic table welcomes a new family member - June 10, 2009 See the wiki article for a lot more information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununbium Also, there are some strange goings on in its period 7 element family, where various members don't act like they are supposed to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Period_7_element A special property of period 7 is that the usual periodic repetition of chemical properties of the elements breaks down for the last elements of this period: This is due to relativistic effects appearing for very heavy atoms. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From apartamento at jardim-camburi-vitoria.com Wed Jun 10 18:40:48 2009 From: apartamento at jardim-camburi-vitoria.com (apartamento jardim camburi) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:45:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Ligue agora mesmo 0xx27 3084-5709 vendo apartamento em jardim camburi , oportunidade de negocio apto 5512637853 Message-ID: Apartamento de 2 quartos com suite a partir de 110.000. Otimo local. Perto de escolas , padarias e comercio em geral. Contato: Tel 0xx27 3084-5709 corretorimoveisjc@gmail.com corretorimoveisjc(arroba)gmail.com Apartamentos de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Apartamentos de 3 quartos com suíte em Jardim Camburí Imóveis de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Apartamento de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Casa de 3 quartos em Jardim camburi Cobertura de frente ao Mar em Jardim camburi. Imoveis na Planta em Jardim Camburi $AHjqfIdJ! From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 10 19:58:58 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 10 20:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: no good deed goes unpunished References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > A search of three landfill sites has so far turned up nothing, said the > paper. Naturally you wouldn't know *where* to start searching in the landfill, so you would have to ask the collector dumper supervisors what the natural order of dumping things for the city were recently. Naturally the collector dumper supervisors or their minions would surely direct the rich Jewish princess in the right direction so she would be sure and find it. Naturally they wouldn't misdirect her and plot their own strategy to recover the mattress. People are always trying to surprise someone with some new bright idea. Do you think the old lady was complaining about her mattress being old or saggy? I think not. Where does someone get off going into a relative's home and replacing something or other. That would be like the Frazier brothers replacing their dad's chair (with the tape on the worn spots) while he was out. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 10 20:07:32 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 10 20:10:11 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: no good deed goes unpunished References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > That would be like > the Frazier brothers replacing their dad's chair (with the tape on the > worn spots) while he was out. You know what I mean -- the Crane brothers Niles & Frasier replacing Martin's worn chair. Here's a site with a pic of the chair, I can't see the duct tape in that view, and an overview of a couple of skits about it http://www.tvacres.com/props_ch_martin.htm - especially 1994 'Give Him the Chair' when Frasier *did* throw it out and had to get it back. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Thu Jun 11 03:22:19 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Jun 11 03:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Squid poop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > So... What does it look like? Squid poop, that is. Got any pix? No, sorry, the scatology of the mollusca is a deep mystery and few would find that cause for regret. But you can dissect a squid at http://www.umanitoba.ca/faculties/science/zoology/faculty/hann/z260/molluscs.html And as for the behavioral stuff, here's one about squid mating practices: http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/SQUID/clyde_squid_table.jpg (or go down to that link from http://zoophilos.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html if linking the image is blocked for newsgroups). From bjarke.andersen at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 06:19:24 2009 From: bjarke.andersen at gmail.com (Bjarke Andersen) Date: Thu Jun 11 06:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Squid poop References: Message-ID: Charles crashed Echelon writing news:Xns9C26DF1CDEC2FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > So... What does it look like? Squid poop, that is. It is a partly clear fluid, very salty. -- Bjarke Andersen From me at privacy.net Thu Jun 11 09:43:26 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jun 11 09:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-69F816.09524509062009@killface.local... : In article , : "Mike Easter" wrote: : : > and the officer : > apparently isn't very good at persuasive conversation to achieve his : > goals. : : Isn't that the majority of the problem here? Even assuming force was : necessary, was a taser really the required force? Even pepper spray : seems excessive when you're talking about a woman that probably weighs : eighty pounds less than the officer. I don't even know why you mention : the use of a club as even a remote possibility. : Maybe we should have TV crews following around all officers If that's : the only way to keep police within reasonable boundaries. : -- : -David I wonder where the dash board camera was (for the most part dash board video is pretty much standard all over) the only response is 'he acted correctly without any elaboration. Questioning email and press request have been ignored. Given that Texas has had a rash of 'stupid cop' videos I tend to give more than normal credence to the report (which has made it to international media, mostly the sensational media). Dallas has had two or three in the past six months. Houston several, I guess Travis co. (Austin) felt left out. Several years back one of the towns south of Dallas was running a scam where the local cops confiscated money and jewelry from out of town travelers. Basically went on for years until the locals made the mistake of stopping a couple of DEA undercover agents who were traveling with their wives and kids. A number of cops, the local chief and the DA wound up with some Graybar Hilton time and the local government paid out big bucks in a civil settlement to keep it out of court. NE of Dallas there is a current dust up along the same lines. 99% of the cops do a good job it's the 1% that make the news and make life miserable for everyone. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 11 11:03:45 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 11 11:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I wonder where the dash board camera was (for the most part dash board > video is pretty much standard all over) the only response is 'he acted > correctly without any elaboration. Supposedly the dash vid is in the hands of the Travis Co Atty's ofc. Also, it seems a number of media articles 'credited' Richard McCain with the tasering, but my interpretation is that McCain simply gave an interview to the press which defended the (unidentified) deputy's tasering. And, there's a lot of difference between drive-stun with a taser, in which there is no taser 'trodes fired out, but the gun is applied and a hurtful shock is applied to achieve pain compliance as opposed to incapacitation. That is, I'm reading that tasers have 3 modes; visual intimidation in which you show a taser weapon's ability to arc, pain compliance in which you apply the gun's points to the perp which shocks the skin and hurts, and incapacitation (you hope for incapacitation and not something worse or something less) which is achieved by firing the tasers high voltage electrodes out at the perp/victim. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bcs1 at spamcop.net Thu Jun 11 12:31:53 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Did anyone hear the Story about "Jack" the dog here in the cincinnati area recently? 5lb dog, 3 cops, dog was tazered, then shot 3 times with a 9mil... dog got out and bit/bit at a jogger, lady called the cops, but skin wasn't broken,(according to the radio news story) no medical treatment was needed, the cops arrived, chased the dog around it's back yard and that of a relative of the dog's owners, the third cop had the noose thingy, when they finally cornered the dog on it's back porch, the 3rd officer put the noose thingy (lasso) down and grabbed the dog barehanded. the dog bit him of course, then while the dog had the one officer's hand in the grip of it's mouth another officer tazed the dog (think muscles and electricity) then the other office shot the dog 3 times with hollow point 9 mil rounds... no, the dog catcher wasn't called by the officers until after the fact and after the dog's owner called them (too late at the time of course) this is from the radio interview with the dog's owners (a digest of it) and the story as ran by channel 9 news is located here -> http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Family-Outraged-After-Officer-Shoots-Their-Dog/s8GbE4dftEigqCUBVDkUzA.cspx a further story by the police states the dog was 20 lbs , ect ect... anyway, pretty sad that they didn't just use the lasso noose thing on him at the begining... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Thu Jun 11 12:34:22 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: carnac References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C276968136C5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Whoa. Freaky. Weird. Seen the Carnac Stones? Crazy. Weird. quote: got pictures??????????? ok it's not an exact quote LOL From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 11 12:49:39 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:50:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: carnac References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Seen the Carnac Stones? Well, at least the site is being managed conservatively, rather greenly. By grazing sheep. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bcs1 at spamcop.net Thu Jun 11 13:59:44 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: carnac References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C278831FF235TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bill" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9C276968136C5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> Whoa. Freaky. Weird. Seen the Carnac Stones? Crazy. Weird. >> >> quote: got pictures??????????? > > Hey, I'll get you pictures if you get me a tube of squid poop! online order says OOS (out of stock) /shrug... From user at domain.invalid Thu Jun 11 14:30:16 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny In-Reply-To: References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Bill wrote: > Did anyone hear the Story about "Jack" the dog here in the cincinnati area > recently? > > the dog bit him of course, then while the dog had the one officer's hand in > the grip of it's mouth another officer tazed the dog (think muscles and > electricity) then the other office shot the dog 3 times with hollow point 9 > mil rounds... > Your police use hollow points? Oh well, ultimately saves on paper-work and trials and stuff I suppose. Not as if citizens (or dogs) are covered by the Hague Convention or anything. From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Jun 11 15:28:56 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: carnac References: Message-ID: In article , Charles wrote: > Whoa. Freaky. Weird. Seen the Carnac Stones? Crazy. Weird. What do you expect from a visitor from the East -- a sage, seer, soothsayer, the all-knowing, all-omniscient, the famous mystic Carnac the Magnificent? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 11 23:57:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jun 12 00:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:guk139$2mo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: > >>>> [TAMPA] 16-year old girl goes to school with no panties on the day >>>> group shots are taken for yearbook. She sits on front row with her >>>> naughty-bits on display. > She sez the purpose of her not wearing panties was to not show a panty > line and that she is mortified beyond being able to attend the school > anymore, which she currently isn't/wasn't at the time of the article. I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never wore dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Jun 12 10:09:35 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Jun 12 10:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: carnac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9C27B9D67F19ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! >> >>> What do you expect from a visitor from the East >> The Inquisition? Oh, no, wait, no one expects... > > lol... here we go Get me... The comfy chair! -- Kenneth Brody From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Jun 12 11:43:35 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: patents References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C285CD0DD017TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >A cursory look at this patent: > http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080208441 > leads me to believe it invalid (already done in the common domain long > before they filed a patent, not unique or interesting or new in any way > and > certainly not innovative). But then, I get that feeling looking at a lot > of their patents. It's like they're just trying to scare people. I bet > it > works. Jerks. > http://www.faqs.org/patents/asn/738 Er. Who? From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Jun 12 13:38:14 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:guk139$2mo$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Frog Prince wrote: >> >>>>> [TAMPA] 16-year old girl goes to school with no panties on the day >>>>> group shots are taken for yearbook. She sits on front row with her >>>>> naughty-bits on display. > >> She sez the purpose of her not wearing panties was to not show a panty >> line and that she is mortified beyond being able to attend the school >> anymore, which she currently isn't/wasn't at the time of the article. > > I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never wore > dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! Last girl I dated didn't wear any on our last date because she "wanted to be ready in case she fell for me". From me at privacy.net Fri Jun 12 15:03:14 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jun 12 15:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: patents References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C2877D4F6B0CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : It wasn't me! It was "Chris F. Willoughby" ! : : > Er. Who? : : Microsoft are jerks for patenting things that are not patent worthy. The : patent office folks are jerks for putting the patents through. And at some point there will be friendly suit challenging the patent that will lose (which effectively validates the patent) and MS will go to enforce the license fees. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jun 12 16:16:27 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jun 12 16:20:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Frog Prince wrote: >> >>>>> [TAMPA] 16-year old girl goes to school with no panties on the day >>>>> group shots are taken for yearbook. She sits on front row with her >>>>> naughty-bits on display. > >> She sez the purpose of her not wearing panties was to not show a panty >> line and that she is mortified beyond being able to attend the school >> anymore, which she currently isn't/wasn't at the time of the article. > > I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never wore > dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! This idea about no panties which to me alludes to instant or spontaneous sex someplace like the backseat of a car or the kitchen table only works if there's nothing else in the way, like shorts or pants or a chastity belt. Saying someone never wore panties *or* a dress/skirt doesn't seem to work for that scenario unless she's totally bottomless/nude. If she's going to have to get out of some britches (anyway), she might as well peel off the panties in the same shuck. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Jun 13 15:31:43 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jun 13 15:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h0ud2p$7pq$1@news.spamcop.net... : indigo wrote: : > "Mike Easter" : >> Frog Prince wrote: : >> : >>>>> [TAMPA] 16-year old girl goes to school with no panties on the day : >>>>> group shots are taken for yearbook. She sits on front row with her : >>>>> naughty-bits on display. : > : >> She sez the purpose of her not wearing panties was to not show a panty : >> line and that she is mortified beyond being able to attend the school : >> anymore, which she currently isn't/wasn't at the time of the article. : > : > I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never : wore : > dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! : : This idea about no panties which to me alludes to instant or spontaneous : sex someplace like the backseat of a car or the kitchen table only works : if there's nothing else in the way, like shorts or pants or a chastity : belt. : : Saying someone never wore panties *or* a dress/skirt doesn't seem to work : for that scenario unless she's totally bottomless/nude. If she's going : to have to get out of some britches (anyway), she might as well peel off : the panties in the same shuck. : Sign on the wall in a lock smith shop: Chastity belt keys made while you wait. From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Sun Jun 14 10:36:57 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Jun 14 10:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You think you've seen smart sheep dogs? References: Message-ID: Kenneth Brody scribed: >I really don't care what sort of equipment was used. I would like to >know, however, if the dogs and sheep actually did what the videos show, Look at it carefully. Within the same frames some of it is real and other bits are FX. e.g., it is easy enough to round a flock of sheep up as shown on the mountainside, but, obvious that the sheep below forming legs on the image and walking is FX. It is also easy enough to put LEDs on sheep, herd them in the dark and make pretty lights, however, it is impossible to herd them so that every sheep is in a predetermined position so that LEDs can be lit up to form a picture. In fact the picture that emerges does so inset and built up bit by bit so that one can jump to the conclusion it has been formed out there on herded sheep, but, has really been done on software back at the studios. All that is real is a bit of simple herding and the rest is FX. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 15 03:26:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 15 03:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Someone has it in for me.... Message-ID: Not in any specific order, breakdowns of household and body functions in the last few months: 1) 16 year old sump pump got stuck for the very last time, I was lucky not to have another flooded basement. I replaced it with a combo unit main pump with battery powered backup pump, cost ~ $300. Discovered that my deep charge marine battery backup power supply wasn't a "sealed unit", like most modern car batteries. All 6 cells were totally dry, took a full gallon of distilled water to refill the case. Luckily, it appears the battery has fully recharged after being dry for god knows how many years. 2) While the old sump pump was working, the system pressure was so high that water was spurting out of the joints where the downspouts join the underground drainage pipe (right side of house only). I bought a drill powered snake to clean out the drainage line, it broke after it hit the first clog, which appeared to be tree roots that had penetrated the drain line. Bought a better snake and used a variable speed drill this time, got a ton of glop out of the line. Still have to snake from the rear of the house, the land has tilted from front to back so the the drainage line is full of silt and water, which is partially responsible for the added pressure in the sump pump discharge. 3) Had to replace the sink disposal a few months ago, a royal PITA, but I love the new one. 4) Had to replace the hot water heater in March and an astronomical cost, still have not recieved the permit and inspection from the county I paid for to make it an officially approved installation. Considering filing a complaint with the BBB after 10+ phone calls to Home Depot about the permit/inspection problem. 5) After damaging my left elbow during the LTD company required FCE test, three months of PT has not cured my pain. I fear that I partially tore one of the tendons in the elbow (Tommy John Surgery?). And my COBRA insurance runs out on June 31st, and I don't qualify for commercial personal insurance that covers pre-existing conditions :-( 6) After thinking all my basement water leaks were finally solved, 2 days ago I went downstairs to find a big puddle eminating from underneath the furnace. Turns out the air conditioner heat exchanger coil drainage line(s) are plugged, but damn if I can figure out where. I spent the last 8 hours disassembling the furnace/airco components (yes, I just got done, posting this message at 3:00 am). No smoking guns where found, but lots of weird air exchange exits were discovered (airco air discharge was being bled thru the heater line output). I fixed whatever I thought might be a problem, but I don't think I was successful. Somewhere deep inside the condisate drain line is clogged, but damned if I can find it ( and you can't donwloard the REAL user's manual online). In summary, it's like everything in my house decided to quit working simulateously.....at the worst possible time.....what have I done do deserve this?!?! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 15 03:31:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 15 03:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IF quackery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gvoebt$8vr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:gvl813$sjq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> I disagree. There is a natural detox product I've taken several times >> with amazing results, albeit short term since I still carried the Lyme >> disease bacteria. The one I have used is called "Nutriclean", an all >> natural body cleansing product aimed at the digestive system, the liver, >> and the colon. It's a seven day program, and sorry, you'll have to give >> up your beer, there are some dietary restrictions you need to follow to >> get the maximum results. But in my experience, it works very well. >> > Your feelings are on a personal level, there is no science behind it, and > there is no medical term called 'detox', that's what the liver is for, and > the liver is compromised every time you have a drink or take drugs that > are metabolized through the liver. Detoxing is nothing but a marketing > term. You can clean your colon with oat bran, much cheaper than any > packaged otc stuff, and just as effective. If you eat properly, real > whole food, high fiber, no sugar, no packaged junk full of chemicals, you > don't need "detox". I highly disagree....have you ever used an herbal detox product? They take the load off of the liver and in my experience work quite well. Show me that there is "no science behind it", please. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Mon Jun 15 09:28:27 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Mon Jun 15 09:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:h0rifk$jcv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bill wrote: >> Did anyone hear the Story about "Jack" the dog here in the cincinnati >> area recently? >> > >> the dog bit him of course, then while the dog had the one officer's hand >> in the grip of it's mouth another officer tazed the dog (think muscles >> and electricity) then the other office shot the dog 3 times with hollow >> point 9 mil rounds... >> > > Your police use hollow points? Oh well, ultimately saves on paper-work > and trials and stuff I suppose. Not as if citizens (or dogs) are covered > by the Hague Convention or anything. well, that's how it was reported in the interview with the lady who owned the dog, and no, that's not my police dept., it's Blue Ash's Dept. IIRC I guess there are several aspects to this entire thing that might be deemed worthy of scrutiny, but the PD maintains that the officers followed "procedure" which leave me questioning the procedural aspects of dog catching.. but I digress... Bill From user at domain.invalid Mon Jun 15 11:13:33 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Jun 15 11:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: TX cop Tasers great granny In-Reply-To: References: <3-ydnb4jt-HFhbHXnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@earthlink.com> Message-ID: Bill wrote: > "Farelf" wrote in message >>> >> Your police use hollow points? Oh well, ultimately saves on paper-work >> and trials and stuff I suppose. Not as if citizens (or dogs) are covered >> by the Hague Convention or anything. > > well, that's how it was reported in the interview with the lady who owned > the dog, and no, that's not my police dept., it's Blue Ash's Dept. IIRC > > > but I digress... > Actually, it seems most PDs probably use hollow points these days. Or 'pre-fragmented'. The justification being the projectile tends to stay in the 'target' rather than passing through to wreak destruction on the non-target parts of the surroundings, importantly including supposed innocent but coincidentally nearby citizenry. But tough on the 'target'. The military-type proverbial FMJ (full metal jacket) round is not as obliging about not causing such incidental damage. Reminds me a little of the justification for the .357 Magnum (revolver) round, which once all but replaced the .38 Special in police service - something was (supposedly) required that was capable of cracking a (cast iron) vehicle engine block. Coincidentally, quite effective on fleshy 'targets' too, with the soft, unjacketed projectiles. And I find 'my' PD (PS - police service - strictly speaking) uses Glock model 22 and 23 pistols in .40 S&W - no meek little 9 mm for them. Whether with HP, pre-fragmented or whatever ammunition is not openly divulged. But least likely to be 'whatever' from the general chatter in gun forums. They switched from revolvers because their revolvers were 'getting old' (like those things only had another 200 years of serviceable life left in them). Since the changeover, most of the victims of police shootings have been police. Reasonably hard to have an accidental discharge with a Glock, but they manage. It is hard to see exactly what the 'arms race' is all about in this part of the world but better the police well armed than the few bad guys, I suppose. Though, like the police, they mostly shoot each other. And I find it slightly disturbing that 'my' PS has dispensed with their traditional "To protect and serve" motto. Truth in advertising maybe. Reliance on the protection of the herd/flock seems the way to go. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 15 12:37:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 15 12:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IF quackery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C1BA61937976TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >> Charles wrote in >> news:Xns9C194CF17D48ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >>> 6 days so far. At least 5 pounds of weight lost, too. >> >> I can almost guarantee that it's muscle and water that you've lost. > > Oh yeah? My muscle is just vanishing into thin air? What's up with > that??? Yup. If you don't eat enough food to supply your body with the energy it needs the _first_ thing it does it cannibalize muscle cells, not fat cells (they're harder to break down and digest). And if you're working and sweating, you're also losing water weight unless you drink enough fluids to replace what you've lost. I heard an astounding thing on my fav radio show's "Truth or Fiction" segment last week -- the question was "How much water weight can you lose from a bout of severe diarrhea, more than 7 lbs [a gallon] or less?". The answer appalled me...it was something between 20-30 lbs of water! No wonder people die from dysentery. Somewhat related, I discovered something fantastic in the month or two I've been gone from the board -- I've suffered from extremely low, almost dangerously low, electroytes since I became sick in the spring of 2005 (first symptoms were, uhmm...hives and chronic diarrhea). I got caught in a vicious cycle, it turns out -- I kept drinking more and more water to try to stay hydrated (I won't drink that crap like Gatorade, it's mostly sugar water), but I was still constantly dehydrated. I even started taking electrolyte supplement pills, which didn't help. On my last blood test at the end of March my chloride level finally dipped into the Danger! Danger! zone. And I eat a relatively high salt diet! I talked to one of my therapists about it, he asked me how much water I drank a day (a bunch, like 1/2 gallon or more plus the occasional cocktails), and we theorized that perhaps I was over hydrating and flushing the electrolytes out of my system. So I went online and found this product called "ProLytes", it's a little bottle of fluid containing only sodium, potassium, chloride, and magnesium. You put drops of it in your water bottle and make your own sugar-free Gatorade. The results have been astounding -- my constant thirst and "dry eyes" problem have disappeared, and my fluid intake has been cut in half. To top it off, my fibromylagia pains are mostly gone too, guess they were mainly caused by lack of electrolytes and muscle cramps. Bad news is that my left elbow continues to cause me a lot of pain. I think that grip test I did back in March may have torn a muscle or tendon, although the PT I saw on Friday didn't think so, saying I wouldn't be able to use the arm at all if that were the case. But after 3 months of PT twice a week there's no improvement, so something is definitely effed up. I tried to explain to her what "Tommy John" surgery was, where baseball pitcher tears a tendon in their elbow -- they can still pitch, but in severe pain. Going to see my ortho guy for an MRI ASAP, my health insurance runs out in 3 weeks.....wonder if I can sue UNUM or the PT administering the test (who wouldn't let me quit when the pain became unbelievably bad) for the health bills if it turns out something serious is wrong? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 15 14:03:57 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 15 14:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IF quackery? References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: >we theorized that perhaps I > was over hydrating and flushing the electrolytes out of my system. So I > went online and found this product called "ProLytes", it's a little > bottle of fluid containing only sodium, potassium, chloride, and > magnesium. You put drops of it in your water bottle and make your own > sugar-free Gatorade. Drops of it? The concept and the 'business' of oral rehydration salt solutions is well known - whether you subscribe to the idea of any glucose or not is a separate debate from the value of the electrolytes. Prolytes ($8/bottle at one site) along with the popular pediatric formulation Pedialytes, is/are outrageously priced. Numerous journal articles have been written about the economic barriers to proper oral rehydration therapy caused by the profiteering. Naturally there are lots of 3rd world countries with lots of babies/children dying from lack of access to sufficient oral rehydration strategies. Also the allegedly first world country the US, which suffers from 2nd (or worse) world health issues, often has children and babies dying because the family couldn't afford to buy oral rehydration and didn't know how to make their own. There are numerous articles giving guidance to homemade oral rehydration, generally consisting only of salt and sugar water which is usually satisfactory for that application. The US military's ORS packet formulations are made of sodium, potassium, chloride, citrate and glucose. The business of the advantages of magnesium and zinc are another matter. You could also include some other trace elements as well. But, if you are going to 'argue' the merits of adding trace elements, you should have accurate information on how much of which traces are present in your own tap water. But, I don't understand exactly how you are using 'drops' of prolytes. Also, what is the composition of the water you drink? ... whatever its source. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 15 21:07:47 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 15 21:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" >> I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never >> wore dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! > so wait... she was walking around nekkid from the middle down? ;o) That reminds me of a cute email I got yesterday. The series of pics looked like they had been snapped from the driver's/trucker's window of a semi- cab looking down at the nice little blue BMW convertible cockpit on the left. The attractive lady alone and behind the wheel was totally nude, except for her seatbelt's shoulderstrap of course. She looked up at the camera pleasantly and then displayed her left hand which had a ring on the ring finger; presumably chiding the driver/cameraman that she had a fiancee/husband and wasn't just some loose woman driving around nekkid looking for truck drivers. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 15 22:23:06 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 15 22:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Interesting day today Message-ID: Driving around town today I witnessed something that usually is only seen on the internet. A car pulled out of a Shell gas station...with the filler hose still attached. Myself and those in other cars around me couldn't believe what we were seeing. Cars were honking at her to try and get her attention, which eventually they did. As I was on my bike, I floored it to try and catch up with her, in case she was still driving around. I found her in a parking lot walking around her car, freaking out. She had no clue what to do, so I suggested she call the police and simply inform them of what happened. While she was doing that I called the gas station and told them where to come and pick up their hose. :) While we waited, I told her she has nothing to worry about, they'll simply take her insurance info and file a claim...since she reported it to the police it won't be considered a hit and run. Sure enough when the attendant came by he just took her info and took the hose back to the station. Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my hanging around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly cute...so I actually enjoyed it. :-P From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 15 22:43:44 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 15 22:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > it won't be considered a hit and run. This story is interesting, but I'm not going with the concept of hit and run. To me, the concept of hit and run is that of colliding with something or other, vehicle, person, property; and then so on and so forth. If you park your car on someone's lawn and it sinks in and you drive off leaving ruts, is that hit and run? We have vehicular, we don't have streets or highways, and we don't have a collision involving vehicular movement running into something. I think we have something like ruts in a lawn. Interesting legal exercise. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 15 22:54:38 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 15 22:55:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I think we have something like ruts in a lawn. Interesting legal > exercise. > > Indeed, and you raise a good point. However, I preferred to err on the side of caution and report it to the police anyways. Couldn't hurt. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 15 23:00:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > As I was on my bike, I floored it to try and catch up with > her, That sounds like fun to me. > I found her in a parking lot > walking around her car, freaking out. Ha! Interesting. > I called the gas station and told them where to > come and pick up their hose. :) It is a wonder they had someone who could respond. Many stations have only the dude at the register who could not possibly deal with fetching the nozzle and its attached hose. > I told her she has nothing to worry about, they'll > simply take her insurance info and file a claim. Hmmm. I wonder. The claim business would depend on whether she has previous claims. Sometimes you would be better off 'making a deal' with the station (as in payola/bribery) give somebody a few bucks so that there won't be any 'claims' and the station's insurance fixes the hose/nozzle and your auto insurance doesn't. Don't make that sound too unethical; I can restructure the suggestion. > attendant came by he just took her info and took the hose back to the > station. What's he gonna do? Kill 'er? > Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my hanging > around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly cute...so I > actually enjoyed it. Indeed. Best part of the story. So, is she married/engaged? Did you get a telno? How about an email address or some other contact channel? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 15 23:20:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C2BADC431803sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Sheesh dude, what did you do to bring all this nonsense onto yourself? You got me, that's why I was asking!! . > > You'd better hope that one of Obama's plans gets passed and soon huh? > Huh? What is Obama going to do that will help me? From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 15 23:23:12 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my hanging >> around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly cute...so I >> actually enjoyed it. > > Indeed. Best part of the story. So, is she married/engaged? Did you > get a telno? How about an email address or some other contact channel? > Sadly no, as thankful as she was for my assistance, she "wasn't able" to go grab a bite to eat. :-/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 15 23:29:27 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: > >> >>> Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my >>> hanging around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly >>> cute...so I actually enjoyed it. >> >> Indeed. Best part of the story. So, is she married/engaged? Did you >> get a telno? How about an email address or some other contact channel? >> > > Sadly no, as thankful as she was for my assistance, she "wasn't able" to > go grab a bite to eat. :-/ Silly boy. You were moving too fast. Go get a bite to eat?!? What were you thinking about? That just promotes all the reasons why she can't do that. Among other things, she's not going to be hungry after that stress. For another, she's not going to 'go off somewhere' with a stranger. What's wrong with "Altho' this has been stressful for you, I've enjoyed meeting you and would like to talk to you some more some time. Is there a phone number or email address I could contact you?" Then, if she is so hooked up that she can't feel comfortable giving you a telno or eml, then that's as far as it is likely to go; unless you are really clever. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 15 23:33:41 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 15 23:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > Silly boy. You were moving too fast. Go get a bite to eat?!? What were > you thinking about? That just promotes all the reasons why she can't do > that. Among other things, she's not going to be hungry after that > stress. For another, she's not going to 'go off somewhere' with a > stranger. What's wrong with "Altho' this has been stressful for you, > I've enjoyed meeting you and would like to talk to you some more some > time. Is there a phone number or email address I could contact you?" > > Then, if she is so hooked up that she can't feel comfortable giving you a > telno or eml, then that's as far as it is likely to go; unless you are > really clever. > > > Yeah well what's done is done. At least I tried. :) From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Jun 16 16:03:06 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote: > > > I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never wore > > dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! > > so wait... she was walking around nekkid from the middle down? ;o) Here in the 21st century, women often wear pants. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 16 16:23:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IF quackery? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h14tcu$98e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:gvoebt$8vr$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Your feelings are on a personal level, there is no science behind it, and >> there is no medical term called 'detox', One more nit to pick -- there certainly IS a medical term called "detox". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification "Detoxification, or detox for short is the removal of toxic substances from the body." In my case, this particular section has proven to be of great importance to the recent improvement in my health. "Metabolic detoxification An animal's metabolism can produce harmful substances which it can then make less toxic through oxidation, conjugation and excretion of molecules from cells or tissues[citation needed]. This is called xenobiotic metabolism[citation needed]. Enzymes that are important in detoxification metabolism include cytochrome P450 oxidases,[5] UDP-glucuronosyltransferases,[6] and glutathione S-transferases.[7] These processes are particularly well-studied as part of drug metabolism, as they influence the pharmacokinetics of a drug in the body". A month or so ago I started taking several new supplements to help my CFS symptoms related to mitochondrial disorder, where my body has trouble in both using energy rescources and in removing the toxins created by the cells burning these energy sources (the metabolic process). The improvement in my energy levels, shortened recovery time from overexertion, and overall health has been nothing short of astounding since I started taking these supplements (all of them with modern medical studies showing their effectiveness in cellular activity). I'll list them if you want me to do so. I found nearly all of them by perusing various CFS/Fibromyalgia message boards, then I googled (researched) each individual supplement for more information -- of course avoiding the places that SELL the stuff. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 16 18:58:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jun 16 19:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: IF quackery? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h18v04$gjp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > One more nit to pick -- there certainly IS a medical term called "detox". > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification "Detoxification, or detox > for short is the removal of toxic substances from the body." In my case, > this particular section has proven to be of great importance to the recent > improvement in my health. Selective quoting much? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification Alternative medicine Main article: Body cleansing Certain approaches in alternative medicine claim to remove toxins from the body through herbal, electrical or electromagnetic treatments (such as the Aqua Detox treatment). **These toxins are undefined and have no scientific basis,[1] making the validity of such techniques questionable. There is no evidence for toxic accumulation in these cases,[1] as the liver and kidneys automatically detoxify and excrete many toxic materials including metabolic wastes.** Under this theory if toxins are too rapidly released without being safely eliminated (such as burning fat that stores toxins) they can damage the body and cause malaise. Therapies include contrast showers, detoxification foot pads, oil pulling, Gerson therapy, snake-stones, body cleansing, Scientology's Purification Rundown, water fasting, and metabolic therapy.[8] [edit] Diet detoxification Main article: Detox diet Certain diets have an underlying assumption that the body accumulates toxins that must be removed, especially after periods of over-eating or the consumption of non-nutritious and processed foods. **As with alternative medicine, the 'toxins' removed are undefined and are ascribed to foods, the environment and the body's own wastes, and there is no scientific basis for the hypothesis.** From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jun 17 18:47:14 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jun 17 18:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:h16vm7$8i2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my >> hanging around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly >> cute...so I actually enjoyed it. :-P >> > > Did you give her your phone number? ;o) > > Did you see that thing on the news the other day where a car smashed into a > gas pump and wiped it out? Obviously they have a good cutoff system because > there was only a very small flare up which immediately died down. In retrospect I should have offered my phone number in case she needed to contact me...but oh well. :) And yes they do have good cutoffs...many years ago I actually ran into a gas pump with my old station wagon and there wasn't any leakage. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 17 21:09:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 17 21:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C2D9E790712Esylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in news:h1731q$jko$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> >> Huh? What is Obama going to do that will help me? >> >> > > Hopefully provide you with 'free' healthcare! Gee, think it's going to pass in the next 3 weeks? Actually, what I really need is scrip insurance, I'm so far away from my out-of-pocket max that I'll probably make it to the end of the year without meeting it (~$2500-$3000) since all but a couple of my healthcare providers are out of network and not covered by insurance. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 18 01:49:26 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 18 01:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" >> "indigo" >>> Huh? What is Obama going to do that will help me? >> Hopefully provide you with 'free' healthcare! > > Gee, think it's going to pass in the next 3 weeks? Actually, what I > really need is scrip insurance, I'm so far away from my out-of-pocket > max that I'll probably make it to the end of the year without meeting > it (~$2500-$3000) since all but a couple of my healthcare providers are > out of network and not covered by insurance. If I were kind of the universe or US or even CA or my county and I were in charge of designing any kind of health care I could recommend/ support/ believe in; I have no idea what it would be. I was reading a giant article the other day in the WashPost about how much money everyone (feds, states, etc + ins co/s + private peeps) spends on health care, say 20% of the GNP, compared to 'yesterday' and how that figure is mushrooming. It is not possible for anything conceivable to work. Health care costs for employees, pensioners, etc have killed lots of businesses. People act 'nutty' about their health care. I have a friend who recently turned 65 and was very glad to be MediCare eligible and promptly went out and bought supplemental insurance to the tune of more than $200 a month which is more than she was spending a year privately for her miniscule annual visit needs -- and won't spend the same $150 a year on the doctor she used to see -- which doctor I think isn't seeing/accepting any medicare reimbursement. It is a very complicated equation. People with assets are fearful that dreadful healthcare costs will ruin them. Money is apportioned disproportionately. Good doctors and other health providers are going broke. Those who know how to game the system are getting rich. Normal people can't get care. Broke people, the homeless, etc have nothing to worry about. It's crazy. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bcs1 at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 11:32:38 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: patents References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:jhoc355u2c4q5minv7d56g61vnvma1agg6@4ax.com... [snip] > > Hardly what the framers of the patent system intended, but an outgrowth of > the nonsense that has become the American legal system. > > ...Ken I'd dare say that the patent part of our legal system isn't the only thing that's strayed from it's original meaning or intent either.. Bill From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jun 18 19:13:46 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: something to drive you insane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.members.shaw.ca/gf3/circle-the-cat.html > > i have no idea if it's possible since i've not succeeded but i've got a > feeling i know of the only way you might do it, i just have to choose the > right moves! I did it once. Trick is to plan ahead and block the cat off before it gets anywhere near the edge. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jun 18 20:46:54 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jun 18 20:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: something to drive you insane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:h1ehn2$u2a$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I did it once. Trick is to plan ahead and block the cat off before it >> gets anywhere near the edge. >> > > He keeps eluding me. My method is to try to cover the edges and not the > spots near the cat. What happened when you completed it? The game restarted. :) From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 21 15:35:35 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 21 15:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >And then the oldest cat had a seizure last night. How old is the cat? Has it been otherwise apparently well? Are you planning on making a vet appointment? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Jun 21 19:07:24 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Jun 21 19:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Life is crazy. For children I have an outgoing introvert and a shy > extrovert. And then the oldest cat had a seizure last night. Totally > sucks. I thought it was a stroke and that I was going to have to kill him. > Bleh. Seems fine today. I mean, all three seem fine today. One of my cats had seizures that were a result of blocked kidneys. Blocked kidneys = high blood pressure = blindness and seizures. Had to put her down within hours. By the time she was having the seizures, one kidney had died and the other was too far gone to support her. Take your kitty to the vet, immediately. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 21 23:03:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 21 23:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Charles wrote: > >>> And then the oldest cat had a seizure last night. >> >> How old is the cat? Has it been otherwise apparently well? Are you >> planning on making a vet appointment? > > He's about 10. I suppose we'll see the vet but there's no way I'm > letting those people put one of my cats down again! If the cat has to > go I'll deal with it myself. I think that it will be less stressful > for all parties involved. Some ways animals are like people and other ways they aren't. In this area, there are similarities and differences. In people, if an adult has a seizure without precedent, that's a pretty bad sign; whereas a seizure in a child might be idiopathic epilepsy or (just) a febrile convulsion. That is, maybe you the child or parent don't like having idiopathic epilepsy or a febrile episode, but that is way better than something like a brain tumor generated convulsion because of metastatic cancer in your head. That part is the same for animals; in either adult case, a seizure secondary to some dreadful pet disease is more ominous than 'just' having epilepsy as a kitten. However, the business of 'old age' and dreadful diseases is handled differently in animals than in humans; or, in my opinion, it should be. A 10 year old cat is pretty old. You can carry on about how much longer they might live; but I can assure you that from the cat's perspective, he isn't interested in people doing a lot of tests on him. It isn't like he is currently suffering or unhappy. I say leave him alone. If he has a seizure and dies, then that's what the boss in kitty heaven wanted. Working him up for what caused his seizure doesn't seem to be what he wants to do, if you ask him about it. That is, if you spend money on the vet doing things the cat doesn't want anyone to do, are you really being the cat's advocate - advoCAT - or something else keeping the vet in bidness? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From JusNotPlainBill at comcast.net Mon Jun 22 00:46:09 2009 From: JusNotPlainBill at comcast.net (JustPlainBill) Date: Mon Jun 22 00:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h1ms9m$1q6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> "Mike Easter" >>> Charles wrote: >> >>>> And then the oldest cat had a seizure last night. >>> >>> How old is the cat? Has it been otherwise apparently well? Are you >>> planning on making a vet appointment? >> >> He's about 10. I suppose we'll see the vet but there's no way I'm >> letting those people put one of my cats down again! If the cat has to >> go I'll deal with it myself. I think that it will be less stressful >> for all parties involved. > > Some ways animals are like people and other ways they aren't. In this > area, there are similarities and differences. > > In people, if an adult has a seizure without precedent, that's a pretty > bad sign; whereas a seizure in a child might be idiopathic epilepsy or > (just) a febrile convulsion. That is, maybe you the child or parent > don't like having idiopathic epilepsy or a febrile episode, but that is > way better than something like a brain tumor generated convulsion because > of metastatic cancer in your head. That part is the same for animals; > in either adult case, a seizure secondary to some dreadful pet disease is > more ominous than 'just' having epilepsy as a kitten. > > However, the business of 'old age' and dreadful diseases is handled > differently in animals than in humans; or, in my opinion, it should be. > A 10 year old cat is pretty old. You can carry on about how much longer > they might live; but I can assure you that from the cat's perspective, > he isn't interested in people doing a lot of tests on him. It isn't like > he is currently suffering or unhappy. > > I say leave him alone. If he has a seizure and dies, then that's what > the boss in kitty heaven wanted. Working him up for what caused his > seizure doesn't seem to be what he wants to do, if you ask him about it. > > That is, if you spend money on the vet doing things the cat doesn't want > anyone to do, are you really being the cat's advocate - advoCAT - or > something else keeping the vet in bidness? > > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin Mike, I'm usually just an observer on this group, but I really disagree with you on this. My current crew consists of two cats under 2 years old, one 12 year old, two 14 year olds, and one 16 year old. Over the last thirty seven years we've consistently had cats that lived well into the mid to late teens. Properly cared for, indoor cats tend to live comfortably to rather old ages. Take him to the vet. JustPlainBill From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 08:52:55 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 08:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: JustPlainBill wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> A 10 year old cat is pretty old. You can carry on about how much >> longer they might live; but I can assure you that from the cat's >> perspective, he isn't interested in people doing a lot of tests on >> him. It isn't like he is currently suffering or unhappy. >> >> I say leave him alone. > My current crew consists of two cats under 2 years old, one 12 year > old, two 14 year olds, and one 16 year old. Over the last thirty seven > years we've consistently had cats that lived well into the mid to late > teens. Properly cared for, indoor cats tend to live comfortably to > rather old ages. Take him to the vet. I hope that if I come back/ am reincarnated/ as a cat, that I die from something not unpleasant long before I get into my late teens, just like I hope that I die smoothly of something human before I get to be too old. In this case, altho' Chas hasn't given us all of the story on the cat's symptoms, the cat isn't suffering from anything. He /will/ have bad experiences from things they want to do to him to evaluate his condition at the vet. In all likelihood any disease causing a seizure in a 10 y/o cat that they discover will probably be incurable and also require lifestyle modifications in order to get him to live longer. What is this big deal about us humans doing things to our pets so that they can have some life-shortening disease for a longer time? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 09:06:03 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:10:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> That is, if you spend money on the vet doing things the cat doesn't >> want anyone to do, are you really being the cat's advocate - advoCAT - >> or something else keeping the vet in bidness? > > Even spending a day in "observation" is pretty useless unless he > happens to have an incident during those 8 hours. Observation? Haven't you guys been "observing" your cat? I don't understand the purpose of a vet 'just observing' a pet, unless the owners are incapable or disinclined to have observed their own pet. You should know better than the vet already about all of the cats behaviors; his natural eating, drinking, voiding, and behavioral habits. I agree that the animal's behavior is very important, but if a vet is taking a patient history from the owner who is familiar with their animal, the important things the vet can do start with the physical examination and then the lab work begins. > And what are the > chances of that? I don't think there is much gained by the vet putting an animal in observation and watching someone or something have a seizure, unless there is some question or confusion about just what symptoms or signs the animal had at home. > Borg's case sounded really complicated - not like > something they could find out without extensive invasive procedure... Borg's case sounded like spending a lot of money making a diagnosis that only benefitted the cat by convincing everyone to help her die. If she had died on her own either before the seizure or during the seizure, it would have been better for her and less expensive. > This cat would so not be into it. I'm not totally against invading a pet's space for the greater good of the pet. But a lot of times when we look at the things we do retrospectively, if we could have predicted the ultimate diagnosis and outcome in advance somehow, we would have done things differently for/to our pets. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 09:26:22 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> In this case, altho' Chas hasn't given us all of the story on the cat's >> symptoms, the cat isn't suffering from anything. > > He started screaming in the basement. We went down and found him on his > side. When held and cuddled he stopped screaming. The eyes were > twitching very rapidly left to right. After a few minutes he calmed > down and wanted to walk around. He had some difficulty doing so. That doesn't sound like a seizure. A grand mal seizure is when you have a general electrical discharge all over your brain causing you to lose consciousness and have big movements of your body and limbs. The result of the discharge also results in your being sleepy afterwards. It sounds like he was conscious but 'dys-equilibrated' - lost his equilibrium resulting in being on the floor. The eye movement goes along with an inner ear problem (or other equilibrium disruptors). His conscious state was also demonstrated by his improved response to cuddling and the equilibrium problem reflected in his walking/gait disturbance when he got up. As a comparable example, humans can have Meniere's disease or syndrome which can cause a sudden incapacitating dysequilibrium 'attack' which is transient. > My first diagnosis was a stroke but, well, the eye thing doesn't seem to > fit well, there. Besides, he appears fine, now (2 days later). Who can > say? Yeah. The vet. Maybe. After a necroscopy or whatever. One big advantage of the vet is to be able to examine him and focus on a system to evaluate and evaluate it. Sometimes an animal has something simple like an infection which is easily curable. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 09:30:51 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 09:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > He started screaming Vocalizing :-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 10:06:37 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 10:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > The eyes were > twitching very rapidly left to right. The wiki has an illustration of nystagmus. There are probably some better ones to be found somewhere. I'll look around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathologic_nystagmus -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 15:32:28 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 15:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Bleh. Over the phone, without hearing the full story or even seeing the > cat they want to do blood work. What? Sounds unprofessional to me. > Bleh bleh. As a general rule, the person answering the 'phone is the lowest paid, most inexperienced and untrained (I don't want to use a word like 'dumbest') individual in the office. Why an office which makes all of its money with its professional services, such as doctors, lawyers, vets, and accountants (and numerous others) chooses to configure itself in that manner has always been a bafflement to me. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 22 17:34:09 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 22 17:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> That is, if you spend money on the vet doing things the cat doesn't want >> anyone to do, are you really being the cat's advocate - advoCAT - or >> something else keeping the vet in bidness? > > Even spending a day in "observation" is pretty useless unless he happens to > have an incident during those 8 hours. And what are the chances of that? > Borg's case sounded really complicated - not like something they could find > out without extensive invasive procedure... This cat would so not be into > it. Not really invasive actually. I saw her have a seizure that morning and took her in immediately. After running basic tests they determined that her kidneys were failing and swollen much larger than they should be. So they gave her an x-ray and found the true extent of the problems. We gave the order less than an hour later. The most invasive thing they did was draw some blood. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 22 17:37:58 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 22 17:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > Borg's case sounded like spending a lot of money making a diagnosis that > only benefitted the cat by convincing everyone to help her die. If she > had died on her own either before the seizure or during the seizure, it > would have been better for her and less expensive. > Well yes and no. The problem was, actually, something that could have been dealt with fairly easily were she a young cat. She would not have been in recovery all "that" long, and it would have added years to her life. However, as old as she was, it's possible she would only have lived a few months longer...if that. So yeah it kinda did make it easier on us to give the word, knowing that she would pretty much be suffering through the surgery for nothing. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 22 17:39:33 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 22 17:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> In this case, altho' Chas hasn't given us all of the story on the cat's >> symptoms, the cat isn't suffering from anything. > > He started screaming in the basement. We went down and found him on his > side. When held and cuddled he stopped screaming. The eyes were twitching > very rapidly left to right. After a few minutes he calmed down and wanted > to walk around. He had some difficulty doing so. Almost exactly what happened with my cat. Found her on her side, twitching, then she started yowling after the seizure stopped. According to the vet, the vocalization is typical when a cat has a seizure. Didn't notice the eyes, I'm afraid. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 18:13:11 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 18:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > And my kitty is scared and smells. Smells? Smells like what? Fruit? Ammonia? Something else? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 22 22:08:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Charles wrote: >> >>> And my kitty is scared and smells. >> >> Smells? Smells like what? Fruit? Ammonia? Something else? > > Sanitizer of some sort. Like they used a whole lot of it. I once drove off in a rental car and then made a U-turn back to the rental place to turn the car back in to get a different one because of the zealous use of car deoderizer. It seems strange that a vet place wouldn't be accustomed to pets smelling like pets instead of smelling like whatever their sanitizer/deoderizer is. The poor kitty's sniffer is probably as overwhelmed as mine was in that rental car, but he doesn't get to be the customer in charge in this case. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 22 22:14:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C2BADE6E9E2Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in news:h0sjo4$qdk$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I dated a gal several years ago that rarely wore panties (she never wore >> dresses or skirts either)......I loved it! >> >> > > so wait... she was walking around nekkid from the middle down? ;o) No, she always wore some kind of pants, dummy ;-) Always stuck in my craw, since she had great legs but a poor self image. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 22 22:15:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C2E9EF85786Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9C2E5192FA245TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > >> I think it's more about either not showing panty lines or about >> showing that you're not wearing panties. Because it's often pretty >> obvious. That said, I don't recall seeing pantyless but I see thongs >> all of the time - as if the wearers were trying to show them off. >> > > I don't get thongs AT ALL. Except in a titty bar. I LOVE THONGS! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 22 22:19:19 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h16vm7$8i2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my hanging > around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly cute...so I > actually enjoyed it. :-P Get her name and number? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 22 22:26:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: house-building stress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C2F86671D41DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >> Charles wrote in >> news:Xns9C2EC6C1AB387TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> Phsaw! yeah right! It's only 1224 sq ft, 3 beds, 2 baths, attached 2 >> car garage, big yard with enough room for a pool > > But still bigger than your apt, right? And the garage space is way cool - > trust me! Besides, you can always expand the building later. After you > add the pool! Wait, I'm confused....you are building a new house and it's only 1200 sq. ft? Is that just the top floor (rancher) and do you have a basement? You're basically building MY house without the garage! There's no way in hell I could house a 4 member family in my house.....way too small......hell, it was barely big enough to house me and my ex-spouse (with all her clothes and crap). From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jun 22 23:43:47 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jun 22 23:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:h16vm7$8i2$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my >> hanging around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly >> cute...so I actually enjoyed it. :-P > > Get her name and number? ;-) > > Name, yes. Number, no. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jun 23 17:32:43 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was Borgholio ! > >> Almost exactly what happened with my cat. > > That's not really encouraging. But he does look pretty OK - he's certainly > full of vim and all. Blood test results in later. Arg. Point is that if it's the same thing, and your cat is young enough, the surgery to fix the damage is fairly easy and can add years to his life. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 23 21:29:51 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jun 23 21:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: house-building stress References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C33B6799EC53sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9C334C41A908CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > >> SdK is BUYING a 1200 sf house. I'm building a house. If there >> weren't the part that is "open to above" it would be about 2600 sf. >> There's a drive under garage/full basement. And, let's see... Around >> 100 sf of kitchen counter space that is all usable ("working") butcher >> block. It is so going to rock!!! Being drawn up right now... >> > > The garage is UNDER the house?! wtf? You've never seen that? http://www.artformhomeplans.com/plans/131m.php From user at domain.invalid Tue Jun 23 22:21:50 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Jun 23 22:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in news:h1pdsg$qu8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I LOVE THONGS! >> >> > > You would. Do they feel comfortable nestled in your butt cheeks? Not a garment to be recommended to either the fat or the flatulent, I am envious on both counts. Of course 'thongs' (plural) also refers hereabouts to the Korean/Japanese style 'flip flop' which opens a whole new world of potential confusion. Of course they neither flip nor they flop on the feet of an experienced wearer - but all bets off if worn elsewhere. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 23 22:23:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 23 22:25:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Girl to be voted "most popular" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C33B64D9C87Fsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in news:h1pdsg$qu8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I LOVE THONGS! >> >> > > You would. Do they feel comfortable nestled in your butt cheeks? Not on ME, silly woman.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 23 22:24:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 23 22:25:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: house-building stress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C334C41A908CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "indigo" ! > >> Wait, I'm confused....you are building a new house and it's only 1200 >> sq. ft? > > SdK is BUYING a 1200 sf house. I'm building a house. If there weren't > the > part that is "open to above" it would be about 2600 sf. There's a drive > under garage/full basement. And, let's see... Around 100 sf of kitchen > counter space that is all usable ("working") butcher block. It is so > going > to rock!!! Being drawn up right now... Sounds good...I've always wanted to design my own home from scratch.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 23 22:28:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 23 22:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Freaking LA Real Estate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C1AA7D4565AEsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > You would think right? But when there are 40 offers on a single > property, you're lucky if they even send you a counter. Out of the 6 > offers we've made, only two have got to that point. The first one we > made the asking price on the house was 379. I looked at the comps and > offered them 340 (they'd only just bought it for 310 a month before) and > they countered with 375. NO WAY. We countered 350 and never heard from > them again. > I don't understand that at all....I know the housing market is recovering is some areas, but I thought CA was still in the doldrums? From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jun 23 22:47:03 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jun 23 22:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Freaking LA Real Estate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9C1AA7D4565AEsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> >> You would think right? But when there are 40 offers on a single >> property, you're lucky if they even send you a counter. Out of the 6 >> offers we've made, only two have got to that point. The first one we >> made the asking price on the house was 379. I looked at the comps and >> offered them 340 (they'd only just bought it for 310 a month before) and >> they countered with 375. NO WAY. We countered 350 and never heard from >> them again. >> > > I don't understand that at all....I know the housing market is > recovering is some areas, but I thought CA was still in the doldrums? CA is screwed in so many ways right now... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 13:32:55 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: something to drive you insane References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C2F6259A7E2Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Borgholio wrote in news:h1en5l$u2a$2 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >>> He keeps eluding me. My method is to try to cover the edges and not the >>> spots near the cat. What happened when you completed it? >> >> The game restarted. :) >> > > oh how tedious! no reward or anything?! sheesh! at least some virtual catnip would have been nice huh? From user at domain.invalid Wed Jun 24 23:37:39 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Jun 24 23:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> I can't imagine actually pulling the trigger on my own >> cat either. What if you didn't kill it outright? > > That would sure suck, wouldn't it? I have a buddy who just brained his > with a shovel. I suppose that's a pretty quick way to go. Wouldn't want > the cat to have its eyes open or anything, though! Not for nothing do they talk about cats as having 9 lives, they're incredibly tough (I've shot the occasional feral at long range and it absolutely has to be head shot - well it does with most critters if it's to be instant, regardless of the power of the firearm, those animals don't know the theory of 'pneumatic shock', trust me). Wouldn't recommend a shovel really. My Dad always used a large bolt when the time came for a house cat - 15" or thereabouts from memory, quite precise like a mace, but that's hard thing to do unless you're inured to mercy killing. A .22 rimfire is fine, muzzle to the back of the head for certainty. I put down (someone else's) distempered dog once, with a .38 revolver (well, .357 using .38 spl). That was clean, no mess and instant, but too much for a beloved cat, if there's an option. Knives are out of the question - a sharp double-edged knife ('commando' type or even the more robust Gerber Mk II type) is surprisingly efficient but I wouldn't want to do it, there are limits (not to mention skill issues). My family's last pet was put down by the vet. Well, I was 12,000 miles away at the time but probably would have gone that way even if ... But ... no need to go that road with the case in point! That's excellent. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 25 15:22:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 25 15:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Well, ours didn't find anything. I am maybe a little bitter about that > but I'll get over it. I am, of course, glad that the cat seems fine > now. You are back in observation mode. Stage1 observing owner observes cat condition before, during and after neurologic episode. Stage2 owner takes cat to vet who listens to story, examines cat, orders some tests, and finds normal exam and unremarkable results on whichever tests s/he chose to run. Stage3 owner resumes observing cat. Presumably the vet's office did not provide educational conjecture to suggest some alternative potential explanations for the owner observations in stage1. For our vet money we should get some conjecture besides negative result report. My mechanic always provides me with plenty of that conjecture when he can't find a more complete 'explanation' for certain kinds of conditions. A very recent example: extremely slowly leaking airconditioner refrigerant (taking months to dysfunction after filling) with negative findings on the strategies employed to find the leak. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Thu Jun 25 20:15:26 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > First Farrah Fawcett, now maybe Michael Jackson. Supposedly he had a heart > attack and had to be revived. Wonder what that's all about. It goes to show > that money doesn't protect you from all of life's horrors. Don't forget Sky Saxon. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jun 25 20:34:41 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K Mean wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> First Farrah Fawcett, now maybe Michael Jackson. Not maybe...for certain. He's dead now. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 25 22:21:09 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 25 22:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > You'd be the sort of person who doesn't want the animal to suffer any > more than necessary. I wouldn't select a shovel - I'd probably use a > rock. Where's Dr. Guillotine's effective invention when you need it? I remember when I was a very little kid on a farm assessing the effectiveness of my mother's vs my grandmother's style of killing a chicken in the backyard - the backyard next to the chicken coop and henhouse - for cooking up. My mother did it with a hatchet and a stump. Naturally getting the right angle on the live chicken's neck was considerably more awkward than with the French invention and relatively cooperative condemneds. My grandmother did it by 'slinging' the chicken in a circular fashion overhead, holding it by its head and providing a certain acceleration which caused the head to detach and the headless chicken to go 'flying'/sailing. It sometimes resulted in the headless chicken landing on its feet and running around for a little while, but more often the headless one landed in a 'heap' on the ground kicking around a little bit. I think a lot of people think that killing something is easy (as in effective, not necessarily pleasant), like it /appears/ that the vet's lethal injection works consistently; but that isn't actually true, any more than lethal injection works reliably on humans, and the human protocol is much more deadly than the vet's cocktail. Most vets want the pet to get its lethal injection and then for the bereaved owner to just leave the allegedly dead pet with the vet. But then the vet just puts the pet into another room because it isn't really really really (thoroughly) dead yet, just apparently so. It wouldn't do for the owner to take the moribund pet home and then for it to exhibit some kind of life signs or other activity after while. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jun 26 18:07:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C3691EB7B01ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> What method did they use? If it was anything other than intravenous >> sodium pentobarbital then they're a bunch of incompetents. > > It was intravenous or supposed to be. They claimed that the first vein > they went in was blocked so they tried again on the other leg. It wasn't > fun to watch. When my cat went his blood pressure was so low they couldn't get a vein, fortunately I had seen a friend/vet put my other cat to sleep while he was in his last gasping throes by injecting straight into the heart, just to get it over with. So I told them "just go straight into his heart", and they looked at me like "how did you know about that...", but they did, and it worked. Going for numerous veins is pretty bad, especially in front of the owner. I still wouldn't bash my own animal over the head with a shovel, that's digusting. A sharp shovel blade right at the base of the skull to snap the spine would be much more humane. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jun 26 18:09:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jun 26 18:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C366A2DAA8D4sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Mike Easter" wrote in news:h21bal$9b5$1 > My cat was dead. I took him away with me and they had no objections to > that. I can't imagine that the incidence of them not being quite dead is > all that high. It's a small animal and only a small dose of sodium > pentobarbital would be sufficient to kill it (ask your vet what method > they're going to use and if it's not that, go elsewhere). Now if you're > talking about a bigger, possibly healthy animal then I can see it being > more likely that it wouldn't kill them outright. As was my dog - who I also brought home after. They have to wait till the heart stops for a period of time before they will let you go, I would find it really hard to believe that there are that many botched euths that the animal has to be left to make sure it doesn't wake up, that's just not doing the job properly. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jun 26 19:35:21 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jun 26 19:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" >> "Mike Easter" > >> My cat was dead. I took him away with me and they had no objections to >> that. I can't imagine that the incidence of them not being quite dead >> is all that high. It's a small animal and only a small dose of sodium >> pentobarbital would be sufficient to kill it (ask your vet what method >> they're going to use and if it's not that, go elsewhere). Now if you're >> talking about a bigger, possibly healthy animal then I can see it being >> more likely that it wouldn't kill them outright. > > As was my dog - who I also brought home after. They have to wait till > the heart stops for a period of time before they will let you go, I > would find it really hard to believe that there are that many botched > euths that the animal has to be left to make sure it doesn't wake up, > that's just not doing the job properly. The barbiturate even in very large doses is not reliably lethal. The reliable effect is to cause the animal or person to lose consciousness and stop breathing and some non-lethal cardiovascular effects. So, normally during this unconscious nonbreathing condition the circulation is intact and the barbiturate is being circulated. The circulation includes some organs such as the liver and kidneys which rapidly begin the process of 'detoxification' and elimination of the barbiturate. Meanwhile, not breathing sets the stage for a potentially lethal condition, but not necessarily. If the animal or human's heart (forget about the brain) can survive this problem about the oxygen levels going down and the carbon dioxide levels going up, then the heart can keep beating and the barbiturate levels keep going down and pretty soon you have some kind of activity, such as trying to breathe, throwing up, having a seizure (suppressed somewhat by the barbiturate). vocalizing. Normally poorly strategized medical procedures are performed on humans by giving them a 'good' dose of a barbiturate that causes them to lose consciousness and stop breathing for a little while, but their heart and blood pressure are doing fine. You could hold your breath for a while, so it doesn't matter if you don't breath for long enough to have your wisdom teeth extracted or such. The reason that people die of such dental procedures is because maybe if the patient doesn't breathe soon enough, then the carbon dioxide starts building up and having a potentiating effect on the existing levels of barbiturate and then the patient becomes more asleep and more cardiovascular effects and less likely to breathe. The problem is that the dentist is not in the position of being an anesthesiologist who can breathe for the patient unlike a real surgical procedure. The real anesthesiologist routinely gives the patients such a dose of a barbiturate which causes them lose consciousness and stop breathing, but s/he doesn't care. S/he also (temporarily) paralyzes the patient all at the same time and then puts in the breathing tube (more) easily and starts giving the patient a better method of keeping the subject asleep than the barbiturate which is going to be nearly gone by the time the real procedure is over. Barbiturates are not reliably lethal drugs and are fairly rapidly eliminated - short halflife -, but people accidentally die of them all the time because of a combination of other drugs or events related to not breathing enough. Human lethal injection jnst uses the barbiturate for the 'grace' of the procedure, such as it is. They use chemicals to stop the heart to (really) kill the target. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jun 26 20:07:04 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jun 26 20:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > They use chemicals to stop the heart I should say that chemicals are used to *TRY* to stop the heart. Unfortunately the level of professionalism in the oversight of the design as well as the adminstration of the lethal injection procedure could be considered 'suboptimal'. Just as cowboy days hangmen developed their craft through lore and acquired experience, which craftiness often resulted in either pulling off the head of the hanged or strangling them slowly to death, similarly imperfect lethal injection results are a problem. Naturally this is compounded by the condition of the veins of the condemned and the relative inexperience of the venopuncturist, who doesn't make a regular living starting IVs. -- besides the problems with the recommended chemistry being debatable. OTOH, the Chinese are the pros from Dover. Their little portable lethal injection trucks manned by traveling people - well trained and experienced personnel - who lethally inject condemneds day in and day out and year in and year out for thousands and thousands of procedures cause them to have their craft and its chemistry honed to a fine edge. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jun 26 21:15:52 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jun 26 21:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> OTOH, the Chinese are the pros from Dover > > Sheesh. You didn't give any refs so I looked it up myself. Ew. Ew must mean you go/went to the youtube results of google instead of heading straight for the wikipedia instead. Hmm. I wonder how bing handles it. Ah, that's pretty cool. If you input chinese executions, bing gives you a choice of photos or not. I like the idea of the .ch executions being 'swift' -- if you are condemning someone to death, then you need to be getting on with it. If you are so unsure of your legal processes, then maybe that part should be fixed instead of having some kind of insanely byzantine process that causes the actual execution to be so delayed that the prisoner develops old age and other afflictions before they are killed. I am 'bemused' by the .ch concept of death by execution with 2 years probation, which can convert into life. I didn't realize there was so much .ch execution by firearm until visiting the wiki article - I tho't they had thoroughly converted to the mobile injection vans from some other article I had read about that. wiki http://snipr.com/kykhu Capital punishment in the People's Republic of China -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From grigiox4 at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 03:38:55 2009 From: grigiox4 at gmail.com (grigiox4@gmail.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 03:40:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] funny video Message-ID: <-JadnRALXesIUdjXnZ2dnUVZ8n-dnZ2d@giganews.com> http://www.photonews-fotovideo.it/videos/24/salvataggio-acrobatico-di-un-operaio-a-torino From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 09:30:51 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 09:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > mobile injection vans I've been diligently searching for the exact formulation of the .ch lethal injection, drugs, dosage calculations and protocol. I have found that information for US lethal injection, which doesn't always go well. In my searches, the side channels uncovered of interest: Amnesty USA's long listing of inhumane events surrounding lethal injections over the years. http://snipr.com/kzijg Appendix 3. Flawed lethal injection executions, USA, 1982-1997(83) Pictures of the interior and exterior (and cost) of the .ch execution van http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-7-2/43479.html -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 10:13:44 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 10:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > In my searches, the side channels uncovered of interest: Another tidbit: it is against the advice/recommendations of the American Veterinary Medical Association to use the same type cocktail in animal euthanasia as is used in executions by lethal injection. I find that fascinating. Naturally this stirs up some of those opposed to capital punishment, including a Supreme (as in SCOTUS); that we would use such techniques on people as are considered to be inhumane on animals. And, AI USA has an update on their table of botched lethal injections http://snipr.com/kzk7u Table 2: Examples of known botched lethal injection executions in the USA since 2000 ... it appears to me from reading the latter table that at least according to AI's research, that things are getting worse instead of better. Back to my contention that killing something is a lot harder to do than it would seem; and yet the Heaven's Gate group didn't seem to have any trouble with their collective suicides. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 11:17:07 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 11:20:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Talk about a potentially corrupt system. Corruption. Now there's another fascination. Since you can't really normally *SEE* corruption except when it actually surfaces unexpectedly, you are left to 'imagine' how much corruption is in the world around you. So, how much corruption do you think is in the US in its many iterations of urban metropolis, west, east, central, north, south, Texas, California, NY, rural, suburbia, etc? And likewise someplace like Mexico in its many similar iterations of high culture, no culture, wealth, poverty, urban and country. Then do China and its wide diverse societies. Then maybe Thailand or whatever. Are we all (over the world) rife with corruption? Or is there just 'a little bit'? I was readng an article/interview a little while ago of a .ch magazine interviewing a .ch official with insight about corruption in .ch. I'm currently reading a book length presentation in LA Weekly magazine written in 2007 as a 'sequel' to Heaven's Gate with quite a lot of focus on the dude who left and didn't commit 'suicide' (they didn't consider it suicide). -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 12:53:28 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 12:55:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > they said the drivable shoulder > had to be 16' wide, now, didn't they? Driveable shoulder? Are we talking about freeways? Inner shoulder vs outer shoulder? Combined? What? Driveable as 'all weather' ie gravel over dirt? In Texas the highway department has to mow the (shoulder) grass periodically. What does _driveable_ (shoulder) mean in this context? 16' starting from where to where else? Precision. More precision. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 18:43:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:45:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h20ipc$ckn$1@news.spamcop.net... A very recent example: extremely slowly leaking > airconditioner refrigerant (taking months to dysfunction after filling) > with negative findings on the strategies employed to find the leak. > What kind of leak test(s) did he run? I'm very familiar with all kinds, seeing as most of the products I used to design and build had to be leak tight for a minimum of 15 years. My guess is that the tiny leak is located in a place that is difficult or impossible to access. I assume he at least did bubble tests on every joint and connection he could find? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 18:47:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C34E04CB13E1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> I can't imagine actually pulling the trigger on my own >> cat either. What if you didn't kill it outright? > > That would sure suck, wouldn't it? I have a buddy who just brained his > with a shovel. How on earth could you smash the head of a dearly loved pet? Sounds like it wasn't "his" cat...you know most serial killers start out abusing and killing cats in their youth, dontcha? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 18:52:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h23lvn$phu$1@news.spamcop.net... > Barbiturates are not reliably lethal drugs and are fairly rapidly > eliminated - short halflife -, but people accidentally die of them all > the time because of a combination of other drugs or events related to not > breathing enough. Hmmm....like MJ injecting Demerol? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 18:54:29 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 18:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h23nr7$vqf$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike Easter wrote: > >> They use chemicals to stop the heart > > I should say that chemicals are used to *TRY* to stop the heart. I thought some kind of potassium compound was used to stop the heart? Never heard of barbituates used execept as a precursor to the "lethal" drug to prevent the animal from experiencing pain and being concious. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 18:59:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 19:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h259el$e33$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Back to my contention that killing something is a lot harder to do than > it would seem; and yet the Heaven's Gate group didn't seem to have any > trouble with their collective suicides. > You should listen to the audio tapes of the mass "suicide" in Jonestown.....it certainly was a quiet lemminng-like affair....pretty horrific to listen to actually. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 19:23:57 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 19:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" > A very recent example: extremely slowly leaking >> airconditioner refrigerant (taking months to dysfunction after filling) >> with negative findings on the strategies employed to find the leak. >> > What kind of leak test(s) did he run? I'm very familiar with all kinds, > seeing as most of the products I used to design and build had to be leak > tight for a minimum of 15 years. > > My guess is that the tiny leak is located in a place that is difficult > or impossible to access. I assume he at least did bubble tests on every > joint and connection he could find? The standard auto a/c strategy in CA is that the ac-tech connects his machine to the high and low sides of the compressor to evacuate the system into a recovery system to know what the (empty) status of refrigerant is, ie that there was a leak and refrigerant loss to explain the lack of refrigeration/cooling function in the system. That negative pressure/vacuum is held for about 30 minutes so that any air leaking into the system thru' a little system leak would cause a loss of negative pressure. CA is very big on trying to keep refrigerant gases out of the atmosphere. Then the system is charged with the appropriate dose of refrigerant and the pressure hoses are maintained on the system while there is a thorough inspection with the electronic refrigerant leak sniffer. In addition, some kind of dye is added to the refrigerant so that subsequent leakage can be seen with a visual inspection using a blacklight and yellow lenses. All of the visible sections of the system are so inspected and sniffed, which includes the radiator up in front of the enginecoolant radiator and the hoses and the compressor connections right up to the firewall where the circulation goes thru' the firewall to the evaporator which is buried inside the dash not far behind the firewall, which is not visible to inspection. Apparently generally such leak involves the compressor, the hose/tubing connxns, or the front radiator section. However, since the last time I spoke here about this, his suspicion has changed to the evaporator/cooling part which is not accessible without hours of removing the dashboard. My present plan with his instructions (we are old friends) is to refill the system with refrigerant myself periodically, because I don't want to spend all that money on the dash R&R to replace the part, which part is only a bit over $200. The labor on the dash would be somewhere around 8 hours+. This automobile is a 1996 Chrysler 'withdrawn' from my mother's driving opportunities as her needs and skills fell below being a safe driver. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 19:29:17 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 19:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Mike Easter wrote: >> >>> They use chemicals to stop the heart >> >> I should say that chemicals are used to *TRY* to stop the heart. > > I thought some kind of potassium compound was used to stop the heart? > Never heard of barbituates used execept as a precursor to the "lethal" > drug to prevent the animal from experiencing pain and being concious. Correct -- potassium chloride generally works well to stop the heart. However, it is a very noxious irritant on such as veins. All these things sound very good on paper, but the idea/theory requires that things work the way they are supposed to -- ie that the chemicals such as the barbiturate and the paralysant and the potassium heart stopper actually get into the circulation like they are supposed to. All kinds of things can go wrong with the fluids being infiltrated -lost out of the vein - instead of being well delivered into the general circulation or alternatively or concomitantly the chemicals precipitating each other because they got together in the tubing (or the tissue around the vein) instead of being adminstered effectively independently. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 27 21:12:45 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 27 21:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > I think it happens more often in animal shelters where they euthanise > otherwise healthy animals and also in ways other than the intravenous > barbiturate (like gas chambers which are barbaric). I'm going to do some research on chambers, because the background physiology information I have is conflicting. I see that the AVMA AmVetMedAssoc approves CO2 chambers for small animals/pets under 2# such as birds, rodents, questionably reptiles -- definitely not cats, dogs, etc. There are websites which tell pet owners how to devise their own CO2 chambers. However, if you are a reader of the various books on human euthanasia and suicide such as are provided by the Hemlock Society and numerous others, the entire strategy is different. Those inhalation methods are designed to eliminate the oxygen while getting rid of the CO2 'normally', because the inner CO2 buildup is what causes strong triggers of the human organism to fight. That is, if one were going to off oneself at home without using any kinds of toxic substances, they would do it by breathing nitrogen instead of air, not by breathing CO2. If you rebreathe in a bag very long, you will start to become desperate to get some good air that doesn't cause so much CO2 buildup. You don't want to be feeling like that. So.... I'm going to find out how these pet places that can't afford expensive euthanasia are doing it. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sat Jun 27 22:48:44 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Jun 27 22:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I see that the AVMA AmVetMedAssoc approves CO2 chambers for small > animals/pets under 2# such as birds, rodents, questionably reptiles -- > definitely not cats, dogs, etc. There are websites which tell pet owners > how to devise their own CO2 chambers. > And if your further researches reveal something about amphibians/cane toads, be sure not to omit that detail - many West Australians would be interested (well, there's not that many of us really but ...) - http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25527485-5017007,00.html I'm not sure if PETA really loves animals or hates humans, in any event I dread the inexorable progression of their self-assigned 'mission' through the taxa and pray they cease and desist somewhere short of filterable viruses. From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Jun 28 00:14:54 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Jun 28 00:15:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wow, can't wait to see this In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56475 I have to say...looks great but the Tweedle twins look frakking creepy... From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jun 28 01:15:49 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jun 28 01:20:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> I see that the AVMA AmVetMedAssoc approves CO2 chambers for small >> animals/pets under 2# such as birds, rodents, questionably reptiles -- >> definitely not cats, dogs, etc. There are websites which tell pet >> owners how to devise their own CO2 chambers. >> > > And if your further researches reveal something about amphibians/cane > toads, be sure not to omit that detail - many West Australians would be > interested (well, there's not that many of us really but ...) - > http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25527485-5017007,00.html Hmmm. I would like to know more about the Kimberly Toad Busters. I'm getting into the guidelines for animal euthanasia by the AVMA. They cover a lot of territory including how to humanely kill all kinds; even such as marine zoo animals, say orcas or whatever. When and how to bash a cow's head (that would officially be a penetrating captive bolt) and why you can't do it - the same thing - to horses (very well). They also have some commentary on your firearm considerations. If you are going to grind up a bunch of live chickens en masse humanely, it works better with little ones. http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/euthanasia.pdf It is our responsibility as veterinarians and human beings to ensure that if an animal's life is to be taken, it is done with the highest degree of respect, and with an emphasis on making the death as painless and distress free as possible. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sun Jun 28 06:40:44 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Jun 28 06:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > Hmmm. I would like to know more about the Kimberly Toad Busters. > I don't know much - but their website *Kimberley* Toad Busters is http://www.canetoads.com.au/ Carbon dioxide has been used to kill the gathered adults. Another way is to chill then freeze them but that calls for more equipment. The detergent /Dettol/ is effective against juveniles. For years Queenslanders (east coast) have employed 'toad golf'. It is a touch hazardous to stress cane toads (they exude toxins) but a well swung No. 1 wood does a quick, clean job but it is not in the least effective against an established population. Which is why effort is concentrated at the leading edge of their colonization. Anything that eats them dies. Including crocodiles. That is bad, especially about the crocs (we need them to eat the sharks ). The aim is to slow their spread, limit loss of native species and environment while an effective biological control is found. Which is a bit of a worry because the cane toads themselves were introduced as a biological control. Most things introduced to Australia quickly run amok. So far the dung beetles seem to be working out (none indigenous to Oz, prime cause of the extreme fly densities). But just wait. Surely they will mutate and start eating sheep or something (most things do). At least that will get PETA off our backs (ref. the mulesing 'debate' http://www.savethesheep.com/animals.asp http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22686559-5001031,00.html - except extremists debate nothing of course). But anyway, per the link in my previous post, CO2 is now no good for toads. "Trials of CO2 on cane toads by a team of welfare activists and scientists showed the method was inhumane ..." I take the term 'welfare activists' to mean PETA or a closely affiliated group. Most things will eat extremists though, with few ill-effects - that remains a comfort. From user at domain.invalid Sun Jun 28 06:52:25 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Jun 28 06:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_welfare/euthanasia.pdf > That appears to be an excellent reference. In large-scale control operations however, the aim the quickest, most painless method will often conflict with the exigencies of the particular situation. But questioning and challenging is good - assuming that can be done without creating illogical polarities. The amount of animal suffering created in the name of their welfare ... From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Sun Jun 28 22:25:49 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Sun Jun 28 22:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Brewing up with... Message-ID: Ok, got a house and a fair amount of room now, not a whole lot of free time though. I'm ready to start brewing, looking for the lazy man's quick start guide to get going. I've seen starter kits at the grocery store but I assume they are pretty crap. If I want to make a nice batch of bitter or maybe golden ale, any good recipes? What sort of stuff do I need, pans, containers, all that sort of thing? What sort of equipment list? I've got room in the house, or in a back shed to let things sit. If it is in an unheated room, and it has been pretty cold lately, is that a problem? On an unrelated note, motorcycles. 40km to work every day is getting a bit tiring, as is winter. Time to get a motorcycle or something like that. I don't have a motorcycle license or haven't ridden one, but I can take a quickie weekend class to sort that out. I'll be restricted to a few different sizes of motorcycles for the first year. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licensing/GettingYourLs/Approvedmotorcyclesfornoviceriders.htm Anybody have any strong feelings about different ones? If I think through what I want, something that is good for commuting, something that is environmentally friendly as possible without being kind of useless, and maybe something that can be used for motorcycle camping or touring around. From user at domain.invalid Sun Jun 28 23:09:29 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Jun 28 23:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Brewing up with... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K Mean wrote: > Ok, got a house and a fair amount of room now, not a whole lot of free > time though. I'm ready to start brewing, looking for the lazy man's > quick start guide to get going. > Any brew clubs, co-operatives in your area? Always seemed to me a great way to get started. Unfortunately they don't seem to have a great presence on the internet but there must be some mention in home brew forums and the like. I've heard of one over here in the 'backward' west (somewhere). Must be a dozen of them if you're in Victoria. They supply the gear, can provide ingredients, provide experienced guidance and monitoring, even let you trade your brew in process for completed batches. When you're confident you can go solo with your own equipment and premises. Closest thing to a guaranteed first-try success you'll find, I would think. Sounded good to me, anyway ... though cleaning up after a son's failed first attempt might have biased my outlook . From bcs1 at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 08:43:32 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Mon Jun 29 08:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies References: Message-ID: and billy Mays, the pitchman yesterday morning at 7:45 am? *shakes head... From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 29 10:22:06 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 29 10:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > and billy Mays, the pitchman yesterday morning at 7:45 am? > > *shakes head... "Mays was on board a US Airways flight that blew out its front tires as it landed at a Tampa airport on Saturday, MyFOXTampa.com reported." Didn't Mays bump his head a little bit in that incident? I don't know how you would, with a properly fastened seat belt, but if you faked your seatbelt situation by putting the buckle in your lap unbuckled, it would be easy to fly up and hit the ceiling. It wouldn't be much of a bump on the outside, but if your brain slightly tore some blood vessels inside your skull, you could slowly develop a subdural blood clot inside your head which could kill you. There's supposed to be an autopsy. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 10:57:09 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Jun 29 11:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Brewing up with... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K Mean wrote: > Ok, got a house and a fair amount of room now, not a whole lot of free > time though. I'm ready to start brewing, looking for the lazy man's > quick start guide to get going. I like a nice medium roast with a fine grind. French vanilla and hazelnut are nice flavorings, too. Both go great with chocolate cake. > I've seen starter kits at the grocery store but I assume they are pretty > crap. If I want to make a nice batch of bitter or maybe golden ale, any Oh. You weren't talking coffee, were you? :-) [...] -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 13:50:23 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 29 13:55:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h269ma$409$1@news.spamcop.net... > Then the system is charged with the appropriate dose of refrigerant and > the pressure hoses are maintained on the system while there is a thorough > inspection with the electronic refrigerant leak sniffer. In addition, > some kind of dye is added to the refrigerant so that subsequent leakage > can be seen with a visual inspection using a blacklight and yellow > lenses. Ok, that's a pretty high tech method, can't do much better than that. > > All of the visible sections of the system are so inspected and sniffed, > which includes the radiator up in front of the enginecoolant radiator and > the hoses and the compressor connections right up to the firewall where > the circulation goes thru' the firewall to the evaporator which is buried > inside the dash not far behind the firewall, which is not visible to > inspection. Aye, there's the rub.....the "not visible" part....BTW, didn't know we were talking about a car, thought we were talking about household A/C (three of my neighbors central A/C's units have gone tits up within the last month, lousy timing, it's been in the mid 90's lately). > However, since the last time I spoke here about this, his suspicion has > changed to the evaporator/cooling part which is not accessible without > hours of removing the dashboard. That's what I'd suspect too, based on the recent tear-down of my furnace and air-handler to find the source of a huge condensation water leak. When I looked at the heat exchanger, I was shocked it was still working, the rust problem was enormous. I couldn't even visually inspect anything inside execpt the corroded coils, but from poking and prodding with a long thin screwdriver and suctioning out all the crud from the drip pan with a 1/4" vacuum line I managed to clear the drip pain drain line clog. I would have loved to spend 6 hours scraping and grinding the rust off of the coils, my efficiency is probably suffering pretty badly, but they're packed so tightly together it was a damn near impossible job, and since it was already 2:00 am and I'd been working on the problem for over 10 hours by then I was too exhausted to even try. If I was still working I might have payed a pro to replace the coils and recharge the system, but money is too tight.....plus the furnace is 16 years old too....it might fail at any time....probably would have been a waste of money. I had my airco unit recharged about 3-4 years ago and it's still working fine, but given the condition of the coils I wonder how long it's going to be before a rust hole erupts and vents the whole system. At the rate my appliances have needed repair/replacement in the last 6 months, probably pretty soon is my guess :-( I'm surprised they don't make the coils out of a non-rusting material like aluminum, copper, or stainless steel tubing. The couple extra bucks it would cost for the tubing would be worth it, although anything but copper would make the joints more difficult to seal. There are lots of specialized fittings out there (at least for aerospace use) that make the job quite simple for joining any two different metals together, although they do cost more than it's probably worth for a household air handler. We use them all over the place on our flight hardware to join (most commonly) aluminum tubing to stainless steel tubing. Pretty cool how they make them, they use a "friction welding" process, where you take two rods of disimilar metals and butt them up together, then spin them rapidly in opposite directions while applying pressure on the ends of the rods. The metals semi-melt at the interface, and the joint formed consists of a kind of eutectic combination of the two metals. Once you have the two rods bonded together, you can machine them to make whatever kind of fitting you want. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 14:05:30 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Jun 29 14:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. Message-ID: >From Thursday until late Saturday there was an almost total news blackout in most of the western world, at least on electronic media. If it hadn't been for print media, the only news I would have received from television, radio or internet would have been that some singer named Jackson died. Fox, CNN, NPR, Al Jazira all blacked out any other international coverage for this story. I've heard some of his music on occasion but never having been a Disco fan I never went out of my way to pay attention to him. I'm trying to find out what other stuff actually happened, like was there a coup? Several coups? Some new major war? Did North Korea launch a nuclear warhead? Berny From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 14:05:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 29 14:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h26a0a$503$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Correct -- potassium chloride generally works well to stop the heart. > However, it is a very noxious irritant on such as veins. > > All these things sound very good on paper, but the idea/theory requires > that things work the way they are supposed to -- ie that the chemicals > such as the barbiturate and the paralysant and the potassium heart > stopper actually get into the circulation like they are supposed to. All > kinds of things can go wrong with the fluids being infiltrated -lost out > of the vein - instead of being well delivered into the general > circulation I think that's the anti-capitol punishment group's main bone of contention is about the lethal injection process -- the possibility that the potassium chloride may leak from the veins and cause a semi-concious prisoner to feel pain while being "euthanized". It may sound a little cold, but from my point of view TOO BAD! You're not on death row because you're an angel, the pain you may go thru at the end can't possibly come close to the pain you caused to so many other people. While I don't think it should be torture, I think we take too many precautions to make sure it's a painless process, I don't think those guys deserve so much consideration, after all, they killed someone else in what was surely not a painless process. That being said, I think capital punishment should be reserved for murderers, conclusively proven to be guilty via physical evidence like DNA or videotape or many eyewitnesses etc. No one should ever be on death row based on circumstantial evidence, the chances of error are too high. And such convicted cop killers should go straight to the chair (gurney) with limited appeals, THAT I firmly believe will make thugs think twice about shooting at cops, who deserve all the protection they can get. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 14:07:47 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 29 14:10:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C37B5FD457B7sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > I think it happens more often in animal shelters where they euthanise > otherwise healthy animals and also in ways other than the intravenous > barbiturate (like gas chambers which are barbaric). > Do you know that PETA euthanizes more animals each year than anyone else, while claiming to "save" them? > When Sly was put to sleep, she checked his heart for several seconds until > she pronounced him gone. Then I broke down :( BTDT.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 29 14:17:22 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 29 14:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h2avpa$dc9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm trying to find out what other stuff actually happened, like was there > a coup? Several coups? Some new major war? Did North Korea launch a > nuclear warhead? > Well, NK is still threatening to launch a missile at Hawaii on July 4th (last I heard), the cost of oil is expected to continue to rise throughout the summer, the economists are still arguing whether we are coming out of the recession/depression or not, some Senator got in hot water for taking a trip to South America to visit his whore, and the Iranians are still protesting the results of their last election. Actually, I heard/read quite a bit about the Iranian culture recently, and have a new-found respect for the moderates, which is about 99% of them. They are the most highly educated folks in the middle east, just behind Israel, and the ingenuity in working around the government's attempts to block communication with the outside world is pretty amazing -- the Chinese protesters could learn a few lessons from them. Apparently, there's this super encrypted (now free) proxy service created by the US military years ago called TOR that's now run by volunteers that is allowing internet traffic in and out of Iran and it's virtually impossible to block or track down the users. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 29 14:51:47 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 29 14:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> All these things sound very good on paper, but the idea/theory requires >> that things work the way they are supposed to -- ie that the chemicals >> such as the barbiturate and the paralysant and the potassium heart >> stopper actually get into the circulation like they are supposed to. >> All kinds of things can go wrong with the fluids being infiltrated >> -lost out of the vein - instead of being well delivered into the >> general circulation > > > I think that's the anti-capitol punishment group's main bone of > contention is about the lethal injection process -- the possibility > that the potassium chloride may leak from the veins and cause a > semi-concious prisoner to feel pain while being "euthanized". It may > sound a little cold, but from my point of view TOO BAD! My objection isn't based on anti-capital punishment or 'abolition' as some like to call it (abolish capital punishment). I'm pro-capital punishment. I'm against incompetently doing it; and the entire history of capital punishment is rife with doing it badly sometimes. IMO The problem with infiltrating your chemicals into the soft tissue around the vein is that you can't kill someone very well -- at all -- that way; not so much about how badly it would burn/hurt. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Tue Jun 30 17:08:14 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jun 30 17:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: indigo scribed: >Actually, I heard/read quite a bit about the Iranian culture recently, and >have a new-found respect for the moderates, which is about 99% of them. >They are the most highly educated folks in the middle east, just behind >Israel, and the ingenuity in working around the government's attempts to >block communication with the outside world is pretty amazing -- the >Chinese protesters could learn a few lessons from them. Apparently, >there's this super encrypted (now free) proxy service created by the US >military years ago called TOR that's now run by volunteers that is >allowing internet traffic in and out of Iran and it's virtually impossible >to block or track down the users. You could count the Tor nodes in Iran with the fingers of one hand and still have some spare to put a finger or two up. I've been working with one friend over there to get her secure connections up, but, main problem is that all home users are only allowed dial up connection. As there is a monopoly there, one Internet Provider, everything goes through them and bandwidth is absolutely terrible for home users. Over three hours to download the Tor Browser Bundle and then you find something has corrupted it. Internet cafes and Universities have Broadband, but, traffic from them is mostly inspected by the authorities using Deep Packet Inspection (DPI) and with it not only traffic can be intercepted, but, blocked, redirected or content changed. Biggest problem for Home Users is trying to watch videos on You Tube and activity like that. It's not so much that the sites are blocked, but, with very restricted dial up bandwidth it's almost impossible to watch them and connecting to sites often time out. Tor can't help with that, in fact it can restrict bandwidth further at times. You can get to good text information though. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 30 19:08:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jun 30 19:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Wow, can't wait to see this References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C39B4328DCB6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Borgholio wrote in news:h26qnu$j9k$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56475 >> >> I have to say...looks great but the Tweedle twins look frakking creepy... >> > > ha ha yeah, and I love Matt Lucas so it should be great oooh! and Stephen Fry too! Gorgeous looking set, looks like it might be a great ride. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 30 19:30:51 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jun 30 19:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Introverts, extroverts, seizures References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C39B59D6DBABsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Freakin' pisses me off that people are continually breeding more animals > which then either displace others in need or add to the problem directly > by > becoming victims themselves. It's all very well for a breeder to say > they'll take back any animal whose new owners find they can't cope - > that's > really not the point! Breeding should be much more controlled, with the > number of active breeders in any year strictly limited and enforced with > strong legislation. Uh no, I disagree with that completely. It's not breeders who are the problem. Legitimate breeders, (most of them) who make a living from showing and breeding, take great care in the numbers and quality they breed, do extensive physical and genetic testing, (hence the expense of a properly bred puppy) and they DO take back any of their animals at any time for any reason. They shouldn't be legislated, because that ALWAYS goes wrong and ends up punishing people who have done nothing wrong. Every attempt at breed legislation that I have seen in the last couple of years punishes the HONEST, DECENT breeders who follow the rules, it does absolutely nothing to address the under-the-radar, backyard punks who don't. Of course there are asshats in everything, and breeding is no different, that's why breed rescues now exist, for the animals who were bred by asshats who don't keep track of their puppies, who don't sell with spay/neuter contracts, and who don't take their dogs back. Where the legislation is REALLY needed is with puppy mills and the Amish shitholes that supply the pet stores, the USDA is grossly negligent in their standards for what humane care is, any redneck with a kennel can get a USDA permit. That's where the REAL crackdown is needed, if there was no way to sell the puppies to a pet store, then there would be no market for them. It's all about the $$$$. To just allow anyone to breed from their pets is plain > wrong. I could be wrong but I think in my town it will either cost you more to register your intact dog, or require a kennel permit to keep an intact dog, and if you have more than four, I think you are required to have a kennel permit. Unfortunately it's a free country and any jerk can breed his dog. One of the people I work with did that with their Golden, decided to "make some money", provided NO prenatal care or testing to the mother, and was happy that they sold the puppies (no worming, no shots) for about $500 each. And her husband was PROUD of it..... He got big stinkeye from me with that story. Why should everyone else (and especially the animals) pay just > because someone fancies making a bit of cash on the side or allowing Betsy > to have one litter before spaying her? Never mind all the commercial > breeding operations which should be absolutely outlawed in all instances. > At the very very least they should be taxed the cost of euthanising > humanely the same number of animals as they end up selling. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 30 19:32:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jun 30 19:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2aim7$j86$1@news.spamcop.net... > Didn't Mays bump his head a little bit in that incident? I don't know > how you would, with a properly fastened seat belt, but if you faked your > seatbelt situation by putting the buckle in your lap unbuckled, it would > be easy to fly up and hit the ceiling. It wouldn't be much of a bump on > the outside, but if your brain slightly tore some blood vessels inside > your skull, you could slowly develop a subdural blood clot inside your > head which could kill you. > > There's supposed to be an autopsy. > No evidence of head trauma, now they're saying he died of heart disease, died in his sleep. Great way to go unless you're the one who finds the body. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 30 21:40:28 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:h2duru$bjl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Biggest problem for Home Users is trying to watch videos on You Tube and > activity like that. It's not so much that the sites are blocked, but, > with very restricted dial up bandwidth it's almost impossible to watch > them and connecting to sites often time out. Tor can't help with that, in > fact it can restrict bandwidth further at times. You can get to good text > information though. > Didn't realize that most Iranians were on dial-up....I downloaded and installed the TOR Firefox software the other day to play with it, and found it unworkable, at least easily. FF doesn't let you export bookmarks, just import, and some obscure mistaken security setting I have set on IE8 won't allow me to import FF bookmarks (researching, can't find the setting, I've imported FF bookmarks before). So in essence I'm hosed -- without my FF bookmarks in the TOR FF app I can't do a whole lot......