From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Wed Jul 1 08:20:35 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Jul 1 08:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: indigo scribed: >Didn't realize that most Iranians were on dial-up....I downloaded and >installed the TOR Firefox software the other day to play with it, and >found it unworkable, at least easily. FF doesn't let you export bookmarks, >just import, and some obscure mistaken security setting I have set on IE8 >won't allow me to import FF bookmarks (researching, can't find the >setting, I've imported FF bookmarks before). So in essence I'm hosed -- >without my FF bookmarks in the TOR FF app I can't do a whole lot...... Are you talking about the Tor Firefox portable bundle that you can place on a USB drive? No need to import bookmarks as such, just copy Bookmarks.html over to Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\Data\profile with Tor FF closed and when you launch it they'll be there. Alternatively you can use the Bookmark Manager to export your Bookmarks somewhere then Import them into your Portable FF. With Passwords you can copy the key3.db and signons2.txt to Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\Data\profile as well. I successfully got all my bookmarks and Passwords into the Portable FF included in the Tor bundle. First time I tried it didn't seem to work, but, second time it did...not sure why. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:11:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:15:12 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:h2fkaj$p6o$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo scribed: > >>Didn't realize that most Iranians were on dial-up....I downloaded and >>installed the TOR Firefox software the other day to play with it, and >>found it unworkable, at least easily. FF doesn't let you export bookmarks, >>just import, and some obscure mistaken security setting I have set on IE8 >>won't allow me to import FF bookmarks (researching, can't find the >>setting, I've imported FF bookmarks before). So in essence I'm hosed -- >>without my FF bookmarks in the TOR FF app I can't do a whole lot...... > > Are you talking about the Tor Firefox portable bundle that you can place > on a USB drive? No need to import bookmarks as such, just copy > Bookmarks.html over to Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\Data\profile with Tor > FF closed and when you launch it they'll be there. Yes, using the FF portable version, did what you asked, no joy. I did import my ancient IE bookmarks though, so my bookmark folder isn't entirely bare. Dunno why that didn't work. And my auto backup App IDrive has my FF bookmarks stored in the users/applications/FF/Favorites folder, not in the FF directory as "bookmarks.html", although they may be one and the same files, just come up looking different in explorer. Alternatively you can > use the Bookmark Manager to export your Bookmarks somewhere then Import > them into your Portable FF. With Passwords you can copy the key3.db and > signons2.txt to Tor Browser\FirefoxPortable\Data\profile as well. I > successfully got all my bookmarks and Passwords into the Portable FF > included in the Tor bundle. First time I tried it didn't seem to work, > but, second time it did...not sure why. > Hmmm.....even Portable FF only lets you import IE bookmarks. How did you manage to tell it to import FF bookmarks instead? I tried this FF plug-in called "Sync Bookmarks" or something similar, but I didn't like the way it worked so I chucked it. I only use IE for a few specific things, I don't necessarily want those IE bookmarks cluttering up my neatly organized FF bookmark folders. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:36:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:40:12 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: >various replies Well, I had hoped this would air some concerns about where our networks are at with news coverage. Every time i checked CNN, or Fox , the news , and the breaking news was about MJ. Most of the so called news or breaking news was idle speculation about MJ stuff by hangers on, and hangers on of hangers on and other talking heads. What's really scary is that newspapers are going out of business fast. More and more people rely on the internet for news, which means they are being shovelled, or finding mostly nonsense and rumours, because there is almost no professional editing or reporting in the blogosphere, and even if there is, most web surfers couldn't deistinguish it from BS. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:53:30 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:55:11 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2aim7$j86$1@news.spamcop.net... It wouldn't be much of a bump on > the outside, but if your brain slightly tore some blood vessels inside > your skull, you could slowly develop a subdural blood clot inside your > head which could kill you. > > There's supposed to be an autopsy. > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > yeah, while I hadn't heard the "details", I had heard that he had bumped his head and it reminded me (for some odd reason) of a movie where the plot had this one girl die from what would have otherwise have been just a "bump on the head" when she had a camera thrown at her (in the movie of course) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:55:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: pre-screened credit opt out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C3B628AD9891sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > https://www.optoutprescreen.com > > if you're fed up of shredding pre-screened offers, i found this site > online > via the ftc's website. > > you can opt out of pre screened credit offers either 5 years > electronically > or permanently via a printed letter that you send in. this makes it very > easy to opt out and if you spend as much time as i do opening pointless > envelopes and shredding sensitive material, it's worth it. apparently it > won't catch everything but it should stop the bulk of it A bit behind the times, but I'm sure some folks hadn't heard of it before. I opted out of snail mail CC apps years ago, like the same week the government program went live. AND I READ ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER! Mebbe that's why you've just gotten around to hearing about it :-P On a side note, the finally official switchover to purely digital cable signals has got me by the balls, at least for now. Sunday I wanted to use my PIP to watch golf and the NASCAR race together, and the PIP screen came up blank. I pulled out my A/V system wiring diagrams and hardware manuals, and noticed that I only have RCA audio cables running into my stereo from my TV's Output 2. I need to haul that 130 lb monster TV partly out of the stereo cabinet and run a single RCA cable from the TV vid output to the stereo vid input that I have designated for PIP TV. My stereo will not output ANY TV vid or audio signals unless it has both audio and visual inputs coming in from the same source. I *was* using the TV Antenna 1 co-ax input cable to get my vid source for PIP, dunno why I didn't hook up all 3 wires from the TV Output 2 when I set the system up.....unless I did try it and it didn't work.....then I'm in deep kimchee.. ....speaking of being in deep kimchee (taking thread drift to a third level ;-), last night I was powerwashing my deck so I could put some of my repainted deck furniture back up. A thunderstorm hit before I got finished, so I quickly unconnected the water hose and threw the power washer and cables into the shed and got inside. Around 1:00 today, I went out the deck door to get the newspaper, and when I got back on the deck I heard this really strange loud whining sound. My next door neighbor's basement must have flooded recently, because yesterday I noticed a ton of carpet, sheetrock, and furniture piled up in his backyard. And there was a pickup truck out in front of his house that obviously belonged to some kind of handyman, the back was full of all kinds of tools. I figured the noise was coming from some cleaning device the guy was using out back, but when I went to his backyard there was no one there and the noise had diminished considerably. So I went to go back inside my house, and the noise got louder. I poked my head in between my house wall and the shed wall and the noise was loud as hell. So I went inside the house, got my shed keys, unlocked it, and found the power washer laying on it's side running full blast with no water supply. REH-RHO! That's a big no-no, the water provides the lube for the bearings in the motor. I pulled it out of the shed, hooked it back up, turned it on, and it worked fine! For about 20 seconds....then it started "chugging", with each chug leading to an almost complete loss in water pressure. And I'm only halfway finished cleaning the deck, godddammit, the contrast between the pretty clean wood and the cruddy unclean wood is garish to look at, I can't stand it. I turned off the motor and let the water run thru the system for a minute or two, hoping that it was just overheated somewhere inside. I'll go out later today to see if it's hosed permanently or not. I figure that when I went outside to get the paper I slammed the deck door closed, and that vibration carried thru the deck/shed frame (they're connected) with enough force to knock the power washer from it's unstable position onto it's side, hitting the power switch in the processm although the switch is a rotary dial, not push button, so I find it hard to believe that a fall could somehow turn it on. It probably ran for about 3-4 minutes dry, long enough to fry something. We shall see tonight. Of course it's possible that my twin sister's poltergiest made another visit to my house and turned it on! (We've both experienced weird things happening in our houses, much worse in hers, and since both of us at times suffer from brain fog (MS for her, Lyme for me) we always wonder "did I do that and just don't remember doing it?", or did something else really happen. For instance, when I unloaded the dishwasher over the weekend I found my ice cream scoop inside....I don't eat ice cream, and I have absolutely no idea what on earth I would have used it for, but there it was......at least in her case she has some "real" backup that something strange was in her house, her old helper dog would "alert" on occasion when there was apparently no one around but her. And she would frequently find the deadbolt lock to her rear (main) entrance in the unlocked position, but like me and my Dad, we're all paranoid and keep all doors fully locked at all times. They even had the deadbolt changed, because a year ago some neighbors *did* notice some strange guy near her house several times, the cops even caught someone on her property one day (she asked for increased patrolling), but they released him without charges. It's REALLY hard on her and her husband, he tends to think it's just her and her failing brain causing the supposedly weird things to happen (items moved, doors opened that are always closed, etc.), and I tend to agree with him sometimes, but when you have a dog alerting you that's a totally different story in my view. It's just a really bad situation for them...... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:56:31 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: dropping like flies References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C39B5AB7BA63sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Bill" wrote in news:h2actk$1ol$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> >> and billy Mays, the pitchman yesterday morning at 7:45 am? >> >> *shakes head... >> >> >> > > Yeah I saw that. Like i said... flies There was also a singer girl named Sky "something" who passed away in that same time period as well... The Discovery channel is running an all day tribute to Billy today I think.. of course being the sometimes cynical person that I am, and with all the "capitalization" of Michael's death, i did wonder if that was just a grab for ratings... sad to think that might be the case huh? Bill From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:57:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:00:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h2gaav$q4q$1@news.spamcop.net... > More and more people rely on the internet for news, which means they are > being shovelled, or finding mostly nonsense and rumours, because there is > almost no professional editing or reporting in the blogosphere, and even > if there is, most web surfers couldn't deistinguish it from BS. Hey, if you read it on the net it MUST be true! Right, Mr. Hilton? *spit* From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Wed Jul 1 15:14:52 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Jul 1 15:15:11 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: indigo scribed: >Hmmm.....even Portable FF only lets you import IE bookmarks. How did you >manage to tell it to import FF bookmarks instead? >From what I remember I first exported FF Bookmarks by going Bookmarks > Organise Bookmarks, which brings up the Bookmarks Manager, then in Bookmarks Manager go File > Export, and you export as Bookmarks.html. Then you close FF installed on computer and launch the portable version, bring up the Bookmarks Manager again and this time in the Bookmarks Manager you go File > Import and the Import Wizard comes up where you have a choice of importing them from IE or from File. Choose File, click next, point to the previously Exported Bookmarks.html, click OK and they should be there. You may have to close and reopen portable FF, but, if I remember correctly they were accessible through Bookmarks button straight away. Common mistake is to think you Import them through the normal FF File > Import menu instead of the Bookmarks Manager File > Import menu. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 18:51:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Jul 1 18:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h2gbib$vdu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:h2gaav$q4q$1@news.spamcop.net... >> More and more people rely on the internet for news, which means they are >> being shovelled, or finding mostly nonsense and rumours, because there is >> almost no professional editing or reporting in the blogosphere, and even >> if there is, most web surfers couldn't deistinguish it from BS. > > Hey, if you read it on the net it MUST be true! Right, Mr. Hilton? *spit* You mean it isn't? I always though if it was seen on TV , the internet or mentioned on Opera it must be good stuff. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 21:39:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 1 21:40:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:h2gcjc$2ku$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo scribed: > >>Hmmm.....even Portable FF only lets you import IE bookmarks. How did you >>manage to tell it to import FF bookmarks instead? > > From what I remember I first exported FF Bookmarks by going Bookmarks > > Organise Bookmarks, which brings up the Bookmarks Manager, then in > Bookmarks Manager go File > Export, and you export as Bookmarks.html. > Then you close FF installed on computer and launch the portable version, Ok, I didn't close my "normal" FF session, for one. > bring up the Bookmarks Manager again and this time in the Bookmarks > Manager you go File > Import and the Import Wizard comes up where you have > a choice of importing them from IE or from File. > Common mistake is to think you Import them through the normal FF File > > Import menu instead of the Bookmarks Manager File > Import menu. > I saw no "Bookmarks Manager" option in the portable version, I think/thought that it was/is a plug-in? From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Thu Jul 2 08:31:49 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu Jul 2 08:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: indigo scribed: >I saw no "Bookmarks Manager" option in the portable version, I >think/thought that it was/is a plug-in? No, it's there as standard. Just click on Bookmarks on the toolbar and from the menu click on "Organise Bookmarks" and the Bookmarks Manager should come up. There is nothing to check in Preferences to activate it, it's just standard and in the Bookmarks menu of all versions. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 2 19:17:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 2 19:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:h2i9bk$hss$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo scribed: > >>I saw no "Bookmarks Manager" option in the portable version, I >>think/thought that it was/is a plug-in? > > No, it's there as standard. Just click on Bookmarks on the toolbar and > from the menu click on "Organise Bookmarks" and the Bookmarks Manager > should come up. Ah, it's a submenu of OrganiZe Bookmarks, that's why I didn't see it. I have the bookmark manager add-on in my regular FF app and the manager appears in the context menu drop down list, that's why the confusion. From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 3 04:20:59 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 3 04:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h14t3g$8ep$1@news.spamcop.net... : Not in any specific order, breakdowns of household and body functions in the : last few months: : : 6) After thinking all my basement water leaks were finally solved, 2 days : ago I went downstairs to find a big puddle eminating from underneath the : furnace. Turns out the air conditioner heat exchanger coil drainage line(s) : are plugged, but damn if I can figure out where. I spent the last 8 hours : disassembling the furnace/airco components (yes, I just got done, posting : this message at 3:00 am). No smoking guns where found, but lots of weird air : exchange exits were discovered (airco air discharge was being bled thru the : heater line output). I fixed whatever I thought might be a problem, but I : don't think I was successful. Somewhere deep inside the condisate drain line : is clogged, but damned if I can find it ( and you can't download the REAL : user's manual online). : It's mold/dirt in the drip line drain. There should be a secondary drip pan on the HVAC as well. Get yourself one of those small compressed air 'cans' at an aftermarket auto parts store. Pressurize it to the max ( usually 125# if you can find a compressor that can be set that high -- gas station units typically will go 60#, tire repair shops will go to 125#) and use that to blow out the drip drain line. You can use (not recommended) refrigerant (R22-R134 etc) or a gas from a propane bottle (make sure the pilot light is off) but compressed air is better) From JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com Fri Jul 3 08:17:39 2009 From: JLNKOOECOCGY at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jul 3 08:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 3 day News Blackout in supposedly democratic countries. References: Message-ID: indigo scribed: >Ah, it's a submenu of OrganiZe Bookmarks, that's why I didn't see it. I >have the bookmark manager add-on in my regular FF app and the manager >appears in the context menu drop down list, that's why the confusion. I must admit it took me a little while after first using FF to explore that entry in the Bookmarks Menu. ;)) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ http://canopianjournal.blogspot.com/ http://canopusarchives.multiply.com/ From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 3 12:10:43 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 3 12:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Interesting day today References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h1brpc$9o3$1@news.spamcop.net... : Sylvesterthekat wrote: : > Borgholio wrote in : > news:h16vm7$8i2$1@news.spamcop.net: : > : > : >> Finally we were both on our way, she was really grateful for my : >> hanging around. While I did it out of kindness, she was incredibly : >> cute...so I actually enjoyed it. :-P : >> : > : > Did you give her your phone number? ;o) : > : > Did you see that thing on the news the other day where a car smashed into a : > gas pump and wiped it out? Obviously they have a good cutoff system because : > there was only a very small flare up which immediately died down. : : In retrospect I should have offered my phone number in case she needed to : contact me...but oh well. :) Should be on the police report. Get it give her a call, give her your number and ask if there is more you might do (witness etc). That leaves the option to call back just to check etc. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 3 15:34:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 3 15:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h2kflh$5se$1@news.spamcop.net... > Get yourself one of those small compressed air 'cans' at an aftermarket > auto > parts store. Pressurize it to the max ( usually 125# if you can find a > compressor that can be set that high -- gas station units typically will > go > 60#, tire repair shops will go to 125#) and use that to blow out the drip > drain line. > I have several cans of compressed air for dusting of electronics (and in a pinch quick dust my office table and shelves ;-) I'd have to make some sort of adapter to seal the tiny 1/8" tube to the 1/2" drain hose, just like I made that adapter for my shop vac. Might be easier to make an adapter for the vac instead? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 3 16:31:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Fri Jul 3 16:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h2lmfp$7ko$1@news.spamcop.net... ... > made that adapter for my shop vac. Might be easier to make an adapter for > the vac instead? not enough pressure on the vac. probably not enough volume in the duster can. another alternative is to get some 10 or less guage stranded wire and shove it down (if possible, other wise up) the drain 10 guage should be flexible and stiff enough to wiggle through (basically roto-root) the drain. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 3 17:50:33 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 3 17:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" >> Somewhere deep inside the condisate drain line is clogged, >> but damned if I can find it ( and you can't download the REAL user's >> manual online). >> > It's mold/dirt in the drip line drain. There should be a secondary > drip pan on the HVAC as well. How/Where does the condensate drain (to)? Likewise that drip pan. I've seen or heard about some pretty weird/inventive connxns for that kind of condensate drainage stuff. During construction someone sez "Where should we connect this drain line?" Someone else sez, "Oooh, over here I guess." Somewhere behind some wall is the connection to some completely unrelated plumbing drain system. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 3 18:27:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 3 18:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h2lpr8$k68$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h2lmfp$7ko$1@news.spamcop.net... > ... >> made that adapter for my shop vac. Might be easier to make an adapter for >> the vac instead? > > not enough pressure on the vac. Wonder about that, it's a big powerful wet/dry vac......will suck the hair off your head. But I just thought of something that makes it a bad idea anyway -- I might suck loose debris in the handler box into the drain hose, re-plugging it...... > > probably not enough volume in the duster can. Or pressure, probably.... > > another alternative is to get some 10 or less guage stranded wire and > shove it down (if possible, other wise up) the drain Since I have absolutely no idea how many twists and turns the hose and associated hard plumbing takes over the roughly 3 foot distance between where the hose disappears upwards into the depths of the furnace, and the fact that I couldn't visibly see the drain hole in the drip pan, I doubt any kind of wire would make it very far unless it's an almost straight shot. Guess it's worth a try though, easy access to the drain hose, just pop off the slide on mid panel of the furnace. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 3 18:38:20 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 3 18:40:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2luf5$5ip$1@news.spamcop.net... > > How/Where does the condensate drain (to)? Likewise that drip pan. It's a gas fired condensing furnace, so there are actually two drain hoses and two pvc pipe going into the same floor drain that the hot water heater over-pressure line gozzinta. > > I've seen or heard about some pretty weird/inventive connxns for that > kind of condensate drainage stuff. I'll tell ya, there is something much weird about the plumbing of this furnace and air handler drip pan. I can see two clear plastic hoses coming out from within the gut of the furnace (always dry whenever I check them), and they both enter some kind of solenoid looking electrical device mounted on the side of the furnace (inside). The furnace condensate line is completely different, you can easily follow the hard-plumbed PVC tubing coming out of the furnace and down to the floor drain. What that weird "device" actually IS is beyond my comprehension, unless the A/C air handler box w/coils needs to be under some kind of pos or neg pressure (a closed system) and the thing is a regulator valve that only opens when it senses the need to drain the airco drain pan. From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 3 22:03:27 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jul 3 22:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > ... but when you're just fumbling around in the dark it totally sucks. > I'll have to ponder the implications. Maybe Dogpile? http://www.dogpile.com/ Back when the world was young and full of limitless possibility I used to use the FerretSoft thing which consulted all the search engines. My boss used Google and had a much harder time finding stuff. But FerretSoft cost and Google got 'better' and I got lazy or something ... and changed computers. But dogpile seems to do the job for free. Not mad about the name, suggests something scatological to me, but what do I want for nothing? From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Sat Jul 4 01:21:00 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Sat Jul 4 01:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:h2md99$gll$1@news.spamcop.net... > Maybe Dogpile? http://www.dogpile.com/ Wow, is that still around? ... So it seems to be and doing well, to boot. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 4 04:02:43 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 4 04:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > What I should have been looking for was: > Gold and waves and Betty Blue Are the images If we were talking about vinyl, that would be from side B of her first album 20 years ago, and (probably) not released as a single. re Tanita Tikaram's 'I Love You' from Ancient Heart album. Or are we talking about a ringtone here? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Jul 4 10:03:11 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 4 10:05:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Someone has it in for me.... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h2kflh$5se$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "indigo" wrote in message : news:h14t3g$8ep$1@news.spamcop.net... :: Not in any specific order, breakdowns of household and body functions in : the :: last few months: :: : :: 6) After thinking all my basement water leaks were finally solved, 2 days :: ago I went downstairs to find a big puddle emanating from underneath the :: furnace. Turns out the air conditioner heat exchanger coil drainage : line(s) :: are plugged, but damn if I can figure out where. I spent the last 8 hours :: disassembling the furnace/airco components (yes, I just got done, posting :: this message at 3:00 am). No smoking guns where found, but lots of weird : air :: exchange exits were discovered (airco air discharge was being bled thru : the :: heater line output). I fixed whatever I thought might be a problem, but I :: don't think I was successful. Somewhere deep inside the condensate drain : line :: is clogged, but damned if I can find it ( and you can't download the REAL :: user's manual online). :: : It's mold/dirt in the drip line drain. There should be a secondary drip pan : on the HVAC as well. : : Get yourself one of those small compressed air 'cans' at an aftermarket auto : parts store. Pressurize it to the max ( usually 125# if you can find a : compressor that can be set that high -- gas station units typically will go : 60#, tire repair shops will go to 125#) and use that to blow out the drip : drain line. : : You can use (not recommended) refrigerant (R22-R134 etc) or a gas from a : propane bottle (make sure the pilot light is off) but compressed air is : better) Air tank from AutoZone but other aftermarket supplies will work. http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/accessories/accessoriesShelf.jsp?categoryDisplayName=Repair+and+Lift&fromType=accessories&fromString=search&parentId=cat30082&filterByKeyWord=air+tank¤tPage=1&navValue=100554&categoryNValue=100043&fromWhere=&subPartId=prod63105&itemId=prod63105&displayName=Portable+Air+Tank I can't find on line an air nozzle but the store should have those available for $10 or $20 bucks. Might even have one as part of a complete kit. Send me your physical address back channel (brother-rabbit @ hotmail.com) and I'll do a bit more of a search to let you know who has what in your local. Who knows we might find one that has loaner tools. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 4 14:46:14 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 4 14:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> If we were talking about vinyl, that would be from side B of her first >> album 20 years ago > > I don't know what tapes are made of. Could be vinyl. Well, why not? Vinyl is a term for what those typically black round disks with a little hole in the middle were (once) called, for storing analog (data) music in grooves which were traced by a needle whose groove directed movements/vibrations were sensed by the cartridge holding the needle stylus. Tape is what came in reel to reel or cartridges or cassettes, also typically analog for music which magnetic arrangement was sensed by the tape drive head they were dragged across. Then that was supplanted by round disks again, except this time with bigger holes in the middle and digital sampling and optical sensing with no touching of the media. Historically, Tanita's career spanned a lot of that technology. I just found an interesting audio recording technology page with pix. http://www.videointerchange.com/audio_history.htm Vintage Audio History -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 4 14:58:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Jul 4 15:00:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2o81g$7oj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> "Mike Easter" > >>> If we were talking about vinyl, that would be from side B of her first >>> album 20 years ago >> >> I don't know what tapes are made of. Could be vinyl. Well, why not? > > Vinyl is a term for what those typically black round disks with a little > hole in the middle were (once) called, for storing analog (data) music in > grooves which were traced by a needle whose groove directed > movements/vibrations were sensed by the cartridge holding the needle > stylus. Aaahh, I though I needed to find a wider CD drive to play those, I've got about 1,000 of them. Even the folks at half price books where they also sell them had no idea who made opticalk players for vynyl. :D From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 4 17:04:00 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 4 17:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" > >> Vinyl is a term for what those typically black round disks with a >> little hole in the middle were (once) called > > Alas, my first-pressing, limited-edition green round disk is not to be > found. I should bug my 'cuz. One company which provided various colored vinyl chloride - vinyl acetate compound pellets for making not carbon black records stocked opaque white, transparent/lucent green, red, gold, blue, yellow, and sometimes orange. I seem to recall having a red 33 record once and seeing a fair number of red 45s. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 4 19:11:45 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 4 19:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I seem to recall having a red 33 record once and seeing a fair number >> of red 45s. > > Yeah, but, dude! This was first-pressing! Beyond rare! And, > accessorily, by my favorite group du jour of that jour. Ah! Oh! Ah! Yabbut, (at this point) it is only a 'recollection' (in the mind of the behelder). You might as well (just) have a picture of you holding it or something. Which you also don't have one of. I also don't have a picture of me spinning or stacking some red and black 45s. It - your green whatever - might as well be a unicorn of some color or other. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 4 19:52:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 4 19:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> It - your green whatever - might as well be a unicorn of some color or >> other. > > To you in that I can't prove to you that it exists? No I'm actually trying to make a larger - broader - point. I'll get to that. > But those at the > skate-punk record store where I bought it, in, oh, '91 or so, surely > remember my having bought it. Do I need to drag them into this to have > enough proof to make you happy that it truly existed? IMO - YMMV - the important thing is not the actual physical existence - presence - of the green record, but your recollection of it. It isn't like you are going to go to the trouble of selling it on ebay or something. At the time, and for some time thereafter maybe including now, having it was a *good* thing (trademark that). > Assuming, of course, that your speaking of unicorns implies that you do > not believe that my record existed and that I owned the darned thing. Nononono > Heck, I still do own it, legally. Alas, I can't exactly prove that. > And I can't even locate it so I suppose it doesn't matter. Now we are getting closer to my point. > Lastly... Ha. Yeah. Well. Uh. I junked our last turntable maybe 8 > years ago. Sure, I could find some way of playing it or whatever, but > it won't ever be the same. Aha! Now we are exactly on my point. It happens that I currently have a turntable in a box in my garage. I should do something (different than storing it in a box there) about that. See below. > Which, in some sense, is perhaps what you're saying. YES!! What I'm saying is that I save a bunch of stuff - physically. But, it isn't the actual physical stuff that is of 'value' to me, it is the recollection of what that stuff is about. So... couldn't the recollection be just as good if I had some kind of 'holograph' of it? Well, since this isn't the startrek enterprise, I can't have a holograph. But if I would take stuff and, say, scan it instead of putting it into a bulky frame or a box or whatever. Then, it would be digitally so much easier to handle, to store, to organize, to display on the (quasi)holodeck. Some things don't scan so well, like the Garrard turntable. Type A. So, I guess I should have an orderly way to photograph it until there are quick holograms. If you had a pic of some kind of the green record you would be a lot better off than not having one, and it would be - would have been - easier to save forever or forwhatever. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sat Jul 4 21:32:44 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Sat Jul 4 21:35:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Happy Independence Day everyone... Message-ID: just saying... Bill From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Jul 5 06:55:31 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Jul 5 07:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Happy Independence Day everyone... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > just saying... > > Bill > > Fireworks show here in Burbank had a half-assed finale. Looks like they're cutting back this year. :( From me at privacy.net Sun Jul 5 16:23:44 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 5 16:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] No kindness goes unrewarded. Message-ID: We had to make an urgent one week road trip that extended into two weeks. Asked some friends to take care of our pets and keep a watch the apartment. Seems during that time their A/C went out and their landlord was not able to repair it for 10 day. (Texas has been over 100 for weeks and you have to take a number to get a HVAC service tech) So they asked if they could stay at our place. (A no brainier even if we had been home) Two days before we returned there was a major pluming leak that would have flooded our place and destroyed much of our stuff. Their quick notice to our landlord saved the day., One day before we returned their HVAC was fixed. We treated ourselves to a celebration of some good steaks as a mutual reward. Good time was had by all. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jul 5 16:32:06 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Sun Jul 5 16:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No kindness goes unrewarded. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h2r238$aj5$1@news.spamcop.net... > We had to make an urgent one week road trip that extended into two weeks. > > Asked some friends to take care of our pets and keep a watch the > apartment. > Seems during that time their A/C went out and their landlord was not able > to > repair it for 10 day. (Texas has been over 100 for weeks and you have to > take a number to get a HVAC service tech) So they asked if they could stay > at our place. (A no brainier even if we had been home) > > Two days before we returned there was a major pluming leak that would have > flooded our place and destroyed much of our stuff. Their quick notice to > our > landlord saved the day., > > One day before we returned their HVAC was fixed. > > We treated ourselves to a celebration of some good steaks as a mutual > reward. > > Good time was had by all. > > > very cool... :) From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jul 5 16:32:56 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Sun Jul 5 16:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Happy Independence Day everyone... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h2q0qm$uh4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bill wrote: >> just saying... >> >> Bill >> >> > > Fireworks show here in Burbank had a half-assed finale. Looks like > they're cutting back this year. :( dang, hate to hear that.. ours was a little lackluster here too with the weather and all, but all in all, it's was still a good day of celebration... From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jul 5 17:03:00 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jul 5 17:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No kindness goes unrewarded. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: Subject: No kindness goes unrewarded. > We treated ourselves to a celebration I tho't that was going to be a bad story instead of a good one. Good fer everybody, with the possible exception of all of the faulty ACs. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Jul 5 20:01:42 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Jul 5 20:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google References: Message-ID: In article , Farelf wrote: > Maybe Dogpile? http://www.dogpile.com/ > > Back when the world was young and full of limitless possibility I used > to use the FerretSoft thing which consulted all the search engines. My > boss used Google and had a much harder time finding stuff. But > FerretSoft cost and Google got 'better' and I got lazy or something ... > and changed computers. But dogpile seems to do the job for free. Not > mad about the name, suggests something scatological to me, but what do I > want for nothing? Actually, it's not (scatological, that is): > dogpile (plural dogpiles) > 1. A mound of people, especially people who are fighting or celebrating. > 2. Any indiscriminate jumble of things. > > From dog + pile, from analogy with a group of dogs sleeping in a pile. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Jul 5 22:17:25 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sun Jul 5 22:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C3EC70486733TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Lastly... Ha. Yeah. Well. Uh. I junked our last turntable maybe 8 > years ago. Sure, I could find some way of playing it or whatever, but it > won't ever be the same. Believe it or not, some kind of "retro revolution" has manufacturers building and selling high quality LP players again. They ain't cheap, but they cost about the same that a good LP player cost back in the late 70's early 80's. I still have mine, a Technique player, IIRC. Direct drive of course, no belt drive crap for me! From user at domain.invalid Sun Jul 5 22:18:11 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Jul 5 22:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Farelf wrote: > ... >> Not >> mad about the name, suggests something scatological to me, but what do I >> want for nothing? > > Actually, it's not (scatological, that is): > >> dogpile (plural dogpiles) >> 1. A mound of people, especially people who are fighting or celebrating. >> 2. Any indiscriminate jumble of things. >> >> From dog + pile, from analogy with a group of dogs sleeping in a pile. > > > LOL - thanks. POD is *definitely* not the same as/anything like POS then. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Jul 5 22:28:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sun Jul 5 22:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C3FD037F1547TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > The new house will be ultra insulated (or whatever the stupid term is). > And all that. And I want to front-load everything - to pay for > efficiencies with my mortgage and not with future potential increases in > price of raw materials. Well. You maybe get the point. But, shit, there > are so many fricking choices. The greenies tell you that ground source > heat pumps (and, yeah, I've seen the wiki) are the greatest thing ever. > But a ridiculously small number of people install them each year. Well, > golly, I'm not stupid - if only 10 people are jumping off of the bridge > I'm > staying put. Hello! > Yeah, you need to be in the "sweet zone" for the cost of an in ground heat exhanger based heat pump system to come close to paying for itself in a realistic amount of time. > There's also on-demand hot water. Sure, you can get efficient burners > (what? Only ~78%? WTF?) so you don't have heat loss and bla bla bla but, > like, what? It's just a crap technology to begin with. On demand hot water tech has it's proper place, but not for whole-house coverage. I looked into it when my hot water heater went tits up, and the cheapest option BGE offered was over 5 grand! > > Oil is out of the question. A bad choice for more reasons than I care to list.... > > I could to wood but it's so fricking impractical it isn't even funny. > > So, yeah. I'm thinking geo or lpg boiler/tank. I hate the thought of > using electricity for the geo. And still think it's a bad idea. And > tanks > are supposed to be fundamentally bad. And there is a limit to how much > money there is in building the house, eh? Wait, I thought you gave up geo above? Cost and envirnomental impact-wise, NG is definitely the way to go for probably the next 30 years or more. We have so much in the continental US right now that most NG companies are shuttering rigs and cutting new acquistions to the bone. From user at domain.invalid Sun Jul 5 23:00:23 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Jul 5 23:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stump google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > > LOL - thanks. POD is *definitely* not the same as/anything like POS then. And another thing I've learned about since this thread started - snap in spindle adaptors (for 45s). Apparently we never had them in Oz or the Shaky Isles. Adaptors, that is, plenty of 45 RPM records - found a whole new world of such devices at http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenmullaly/2037481665/ to follow the link (way too much stuff at the boingboing page, including a turntable and the Cabestan Winch wristwatch - *stay away*, you've been warned). Anyway, if I ever saw one I would probably have assumed it to be some totally ineffectual shuriken or something. Why do you never see a shuriken with *seven* blades? I dunno, but as an Aussie (Federation star and all that) I have to believe there's an unwonted gap in the armarium. Anyone reading with the skills and tools has a chance to create history. From avoozl at spamcop.net Sun Jul 5 23:42:51 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sun Jul 5 23:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C3FD037F1547TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > The new house will be ultra insulated (or whatever the stupid term is). > So, yeah. I'm thinking geo or lpg boiler/tank. I hate the thought of > using electricity for the geo. And still think it's a bad idea. And > tanks > are supposed to be fundamentally bad. And there is a limit to how much > money there is in building the house, eh? Around here I've either had electric or gas for hot water heating.. and usually electric or electric/solar for HVAC. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 6 00:10:04 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 6 00:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You have to be paranoid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > So, my BIL's car got creamed in front of his house last night - the car > smoosher drove away without leaving a name/etc. Problem? Well, only a > little. It's less of a problem because they live on a dead-end road and > there was a party across the way last night. So it should be REALLY > FREAKING EASY to catch the perp, no? In fact, it's easier than you think > 'cause the BIL has a security camera. They are in some kind of > "neighborhood war" thing and it was deemed a necessary precaution. It's > absolutly insane that such things actually become necessary. Hey - I'm > glad that I get along with my neighbors. And you? Actually I have a video camera hooked up to a computer DVR system as a result of a particularly bad neighbor. She's gone but renting the house out to a nice family...could return someday. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 6 11:31:54 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 6 11:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > There's also on-demand hot water. I live in a big house. One of luxuries I love the most is the circulated hot water. When the house was built, the hot water distribution pipes were thickly insulated and run throughout the house in a loop, so that instant hot water from the central heater is only inches away from every tap in the house. It saves a lot of water, but most importantly, when you want hot water, it is instantaneous. The water heater is natural gas, which has always been the cheapest form of heating here. My dryer is also gas as well as my stovetop burners and my general heating. The inefficiencies of the circulated hot water are whatever heat loss there is from the insulated pipes and the little motor which circulates the water. That motor can be put on a timer for those who use their hot water at regular hours. At the time the house was built, pipe connectivity to the roof was built in so that the hot water could be solar instead of gas. In fact, that pipe connectivity was structured so that there could be two hot water heaters connected to each other and to the roof instead of one. But I'm not a big hot water user, so I never installed the solar part. If I were going to sell the house, I would. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 12:38:18 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Jul 6 12:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Happy Independence Day everyone... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > just saying... Do they have a 4th of July in England? I leave it as an exercise for the reader to come up with the correct answer. -- Kenneth Brody From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 12:40:18 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Jul 6 12:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No kindness goes unrewarded. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: [...] > We treated ourselves to a celebration of some good steaks as a mutual > reward. [...] Usually, it's "no kindness goes unpunished". Glad to hear yours was otherwise. -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 16:28:51 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 6 16:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2t5d1$sk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > At the time the house was built, pipe connectivity to the roof was built > in so that the hot water could be solar instead of gas. In fact, that > pipe connectivity was structured so that there could be two hot water > heaters connected to each other and to the roof instead of one. But I'm > not a big hot water user, so I never installed the solar part. If I were > going to sell the house, I would. Sounds like a really kewl system. Maybe I should branch out from aerospace to terrestrial/industrial/household thermal engineering......I used to keep a folder of sketches and plans for all kinds of household heating/cooling improvements, but whenever I did a semi-real analysis on system cost vs. cost recovery it never worked out to be an advantage in the long run (except for niceties like the "instant on" hot water kind of access you have). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 16:35:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 6 16:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Strange NG issue Message-ID: In the last several days the number of "unread" messages next to my .social directory in WinMail keeps growing.....but the messages aren't there, or I can't download them. It's almost like I have some kind of rule set up to block someone, but without the normal "mark as read and delete" function that I would use to set up such a rule. I wonder who's messages I can't see? It's much worse here than in .geeks, I haven't noticed any problems there. I haven't seen an S-kat post for a week or so, is she posting lately? Right now there are 7 messages on the server that I can't download. I can see Mike, Charles, Chris, Borg, DF, FP, Bill, Kenneth, Farelf, and BarO -- those are the most recent posts I've seen, saw one from Heidi a few days ago but nothing since then. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 6 16:39:08 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 6 16:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> At the time the house was built, pipe connectivity to the roof was >> built in so that the hot water could be solar instead of gas. In >> fact, that pipe connectivity was structured so that there could be two >> hot water heaters connected to each other and to the roof instead of >> one. But I'm not a big hot water user, so I never installed the solar >> part. If I were going to sell the house, I would. > > Sounds like a really kewl system. Maybe I should branch out from > aerospace to terrestrial/industrial/household thermal > engineering......I used to keep a folder of sketches and plans for all > kinds of household heating/cooling improvements, but whenever I did a > semi-real analysis on system cost vs. cost recovery it never worked out > to be an advantage in the long run (except for niceties like the > "instant on" hot water kind of access you have). Besides the engineering of it, it is one of those 'emotional' paybacks. Everytime I turn on hotwater at my house, I am *SO* glad that I have instant hotwater. Everytime I turn on hotwater somewhere else, I wish that place had instant hotwater like I do. How many of life's little pleasures do we get to enjoy that many times for that many years? That part of the concept would be worth it even if you didn't save any water and even if you raised your expenses significantly, which I don't think you do. When you don't have instant hot water, you run all of the cold water out of the hotwater pipe first, say to wash your hands with warm water. It isn't just the water that is lost, it is the fact that all of that cold water that you wasted has to get heated by the hotwater tank that is taking care of its heat lost down the drain. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 6 17:06:52 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Strange NG issue References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > In the last several days the number of "unread" messages next to my > .social directory in WinMail keeps growing.....but the messages aren't > there, or I can't download them. Why don't you reset? In the folder view (View/ Layout - check folder list) select .social and either alt-Enter or R click and use Properties or use File/ Properties - then use the Local File tab to access the Reset button. Reset will delete all headers and message bodies and will reset the folder so that headers will be re-downloaded. That will cause your headers for the group to disappear and you will lose all of your pointers such as read. Then you can download new headers and your WM and the spamcop server will be in sync. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 17:16:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Ping Mike Message-ID: Reset the folder, which of course removed your post so I can't reply to it ;-) I also changed my sync settings to "all messages" instead of "new messages", dunno if that'll make a difference or not. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 6 17:38:52 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ping Mike References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Reset the folder, which of course removed your post so I can't reply to > it ;-) I also changed my sync settings to "all messages" instead of "new > messages", dunno if that'll make a difference or not. After you empty the folder of the headers, you can dl everything again. The ng (just) has 685 msgs. Some people configure to dl (the last) 100 or 300 at a time. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 17:41:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Jul 6 17:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Strange NG issue References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h2tn6g$l1a$1@news.spamcop.net... > In the last several days the number of "unread" messages next to my > .social directory in WinMail keeps growing.....but the messages aren't > there, or I can't download them. It's almost like I have some kind of rule > set up to block someone, but without the normal "mark as read and delete" > function that I would use to set up such a rule. > > I wonder who's messages I can't see? It's much worse here than in .geeks, > I haven't noticed any problems there. I haven't seen an S-kat post for a > week or so, is she posting lately? > > Right now there are 7 messages on the server that I can't download. I can > see Mike, Charles, Chris, Borg, DF, FP, Bill, Kenneth, Farelf, and > arO -- those are the most recent posts I've seen, saw one from Heidi a > few days ago but nothing since then. Y believe I saw Sylvester posts around the 3d, but no Heidis for a week or more, so you sound complete. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 18:01:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 6 18:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ping Mike In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2tqt4$7o0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The ng (just) has 685 msgs. Some people configure to dl (the last) 100 > or 300 at a time. > I have my reader set to download 300 headers at a time, so I see 302 msgs have been downloaded before I post this --- yours and one from BarO. Guess I ought hit "catch up" to get rid of the older posts. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 6 18:04:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 6 18:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Strange NG issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h2tr2n$8ie$1@news.spamcop.net... > Y believe I saw Sylvester posts around the 3d, but no Heidis for a week or > more, so you sound complete. I just looked and her posts (S-Kat) were downloaded. Have to wait and see if the problem re-occurs after the reset. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 7 08:49:59 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Tue Jul 7 08:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Happy Independence Day everyone... References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h2t9a1$k9d$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bill wrote: >> just saying... > > > > Do they have a 4th of July in England? > > > > I leave it as an exercise for the reader to come up with the correct > answer. > > -- > Kenneth Brody yes, they do LOL I don't believe they celebrate it like we do in the states though... well unless they celebrate finally getting rid of the troublemakers... LMAO From joegill at removethis Tue Jul 7 10:06:43 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Jul 7 10:10:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C3FD037F1547TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > The new house will be ultra insulated (or whatever the stupid term is). > And all that. And I want to front-load everything - to pay for > efficiencies with my mortgage and not with future potential increases in > price of raw materials. Well. You maybe get the point. But, shit, there > are so many fricking choices. The greenies tell you that ground source > heat pumps (and, yeah, I've seen the wiki) are the greatest thing ever. > But a ridiculously small number of people install them each year. Well, > golly, I'm not stupid - if only 10 people are jumping off of the bridge > I'm > staying put. Hello! > > There's also on-demand hot water. Sure, you can get efficient burners > (what? Only ~78%? WTF?) so you don't have heat loss and bla bla bla but, > like, what? It's just a crap technology to begin with. And for whole- > house heating it sux. Besides, when trying to shower your water goes > hot/cold/hot/cold. Sux and sux some more. > > Oil is out of the question. > > I could to wood but it's so fricking impractical it isn't even funny. > > So, yeah. I'm thinking geo or lpg boiler/tank. I hate the thought of > using electricity for the geo. And still think it's a bad idea. And > tanks > are supposed to be fundamentally bad. And there is a limit to how much > money there is in building the house, eh? My thoughts are this: Think of YOUR bottom line. Project out say 15 years, and use modeling that says energy costs (electric, gas, LP, etc) will continue to rise. Stay away from the hype/hope/etc. Go with proven technologies from reputable firms! That said, here are some concrete suggestions: 1) Look at solor assist panels on the roof to capture heat and use it to heat the home. 2) In addition to insulating the home, look at isulating the heat ducts, both supply and returns. 3) Look at inulating the hot water tank and the lines. 4) Have you considered hot-water (base-board heating) . Supposedly hot water heating is very efficient. This would mean a separate system for cooling the house, 5) Another idea is an external system, where you can burn wood/whatever, to supplement heating needs. An 'outdoor furnace' 6) Another idea is a cooling system, that has an external air intake, that would bring in fresh air to cool the house when the outside temperature is low. 7) Another thought is to have a heating system (or supplement) that would work even if power goes out! 8) Make sure that when you are "ultra insulated", that there is some 'air exchange'. The house needs to breathe! 9) Also, when considering a 'high-efficiency' furnace, the 'ultimate' highest efficiency, might be more expensive than one a few % lower, due to MUCH higher initial costs. Good luck. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 7 13:48:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h2vkqb$69q$1@news.spamcop.net... > That said, here are some concrete suggestions: And my opinion on a couple of them based on my thermal engineering background and from researching some of these exact issues: > 1) Look at solor assist panels on the roof to capture heat and use it to > heat the home. Do it quick, the $3500 tax deduction runs out in 2010 unless Congress extends it. On the other hand, there are some much better solar panels being developed, might be worth waiting for more efficient and cheaper panels to get to the market (for electricity production). > 2) In addition to insulating the home, look at isulating the heat ducts, > both supply and returns. Very difficult to retrofit unless you have a house like mine -- rancher with an unfinished basement, giving me clear access to the ductwork. And I wouldn't waste the money insulating the return(s), not enough energy savings there. > 3) Look at inulating the hot water tank and the lines. Just installed a hot water heater in March, they come with excellent insulation now. If you have an old one and the outside surface of the water heater is warmer than room temp to the touch, definitely blanket it. I insulated most of the hot water lines in my basement, but being single I use hot water so little during the day the insulation has very little effect, the water stands in the lines too long. And again, access may be difficult in a fully built out house. That said, the foam tube insulation is pretty cheap, about $1.50/6 ft length, so insulating whatever you can get to starting at the hot water heater outlet is worth it. > 5) Another idea is an external system, where you can burn wood/whatever, > to supplement heating needs. An 'outdoor furnace' Why outdoors? The new pellet burners are a piece of cake to install and can go pretty much anywhere in the house. > 6) Another idea is a cooling system, that has an external air intake, that > would bring in fresh air to cool the house when the outside temperature is > low. Disregarding a "swamp cooler", a whole-house fan works wonders during those "it's not hot enought to turn on the airco but I'm uncomfortably warm" days. You install it in a hallway that vents into the attic, open a few windows, and get a nice breeze throughout the house. Not recommended during pollen season unless you want to dust every day! > 7) Another thought is to have a heating system (or supplement) that would > work even if power goes out! See #5 > 8) Make sure that when you are "ultra insulated", that there is some 'air > exchange'. The house needs to breathe! Absolutely necessary, especially if it's a new build. If you don't have some level of air exchange, you'll choke on all the fumes being released from the new carpet, new paint, new furniture, etc. I did some research on furniture/mattress/pillow foam in particular, and the toxic vapor problem is scary (formaldehyde in particular). > 9) Also, when considering a 'high-efficiency' furnace, the 'ultimate' > highest efficiency, might be more expensive than one a few % lower, due to > MUCH higher initial costs. > Good point. My local utility wanted thousands more for a high(er) efficiency water heater, the 5 years savings was only $50 more than the $300 unit I bought. Same goes for furnaces -- those 1% or 2% gains when you're already in the low/mid 90's just don't make enough difference to justify the cost increase. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 7 13:53:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 7 13:55:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C4177FB5A78DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> 8) Make sure that when you are "ultra insulated", that there is some >> 'air exchange'. The house needs to breathe! > > Another requirement is pre-heated makeup air. Huh? Are you talking about the same issue? Sounds to me like you are talking about having a heat exchanger between the incoming cold air and the (hotter) air return. Homes don't have dedicated fresh air feeds for furnaces though, AFAIK. In industrial apps, that kind of setup can save a TON of energy, a company I used to work for built some small units like that for commercial use. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 7 16:13:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Tue Jul 7 16:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C41A0A4D931BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "indigo" ! ... > >> Homes don't have dedicated fresh air >> feeds for furnaces though, AFAIK. > > Ah, but some do, some do! And on those you want preheated air! Hmmm,, every home built since the 70's I've been in either had the furnace in the attic (lots of ventilation) or had fresh air intake to the heater conduits, (early '70's, and now illegal in Canada) or a fresh air intake and conduit to the immediate vicinity of the hot water heater and the furnace heater combustion boxes. Sometimes this would cause the paradoxical freezing of the water line due to it's proximity to the outlet of the fresh air intake, and position on the floor of the basement. (With heaters going full bore enough hot air went up the chimneys (cold air coming in the vent) that the basement floor was effectively below freezing . But that's mainly Canada, my US homes were all in Texas, and the furnace in the attic, I don't know what the rules are for basement furnaces in the USA. Unvented or improperly vented basement furnaces tend to cause several family deaths every year during cold spells. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 7 22:33:22 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 7 22:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h30a8h$p3o$1@news.spamcop.net... > Unvented or improperly vented basement furnaces tend to cause several > family deaths every year during cold spells. You're talking about two different issues here: 1) where does the furnace get incoming air to heat up, and 2) how are the combustion products (gases) released from the furnace. In my house, #1 is provided by an air return vent (large) installed in the wall of my main hallway. For #2, since I have a high efficiency condensing gas furnace, the burned by-products are vented to the outdoors via PVC tubing, around 3" OD. The vented exhaust isn't hot enough to require anything heavier than PVC. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 8 08:32:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Wed Jul 8 08:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h310hi$u17$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:h30a8h$p3o$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Unvented or improperly vented basement furnaces tend to cause several >> family deaths every year during cold spells. > > > You're talking about two different issues here: 1) where does the furnace > get incoming air to heat up, and 2) how are the combustion products > (gases) released from the furnace. > > In my house, #1 is provided by an air return vent (large) installed in the > wall of my main hallway. For #2, since I have a high efficiency > condensing gas furnace, the burned by-products are vented to the outdoors > via PVC tubing, around 3" OD. The vented exhaust isn't hot enough to > require anything heavier than PVC. And where is the air that needs to replace that which goes up that PVC chimney supposed to come from? It's gotta come from outside ultimately, and if it doesn't, the combustion products don't go up the flue but hang around inside. This has nothing to do with return air, which all circulation systems must have to circulate. In the past, fresh air (replacing that which goes up the flue) was allowed to be drawn (from outside) into the return air ducting, causing it to be heated by the furnace before joining the rest of the air in the house. In Canada that was ultimately made illegal by code, as the ventilation was often found to be insufficient, and a separate fresh air vent and duct must now be supplied to the vicinity of the burners. Older (pre '70's) homes were sufficiently leaky that they didn't have a CO problem, however as people have added more and more weatherization it's becoming a serious problem unless they provide adequate alternate external ventilation. This all generally only applies to situations with the furnaces etc. in the basement. Unfinished attic installations never mix with or use house air in the combustion process. Of course, finishing and weatherizing and heating an attic, and including the utilities in that space would put one back in the same boat as the basement scenario. From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 8 16:06:13 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] "This is the fire department. We need to conduct a test" References: Message-ID: "[BAYTOWN] The manager of a Baytown fast-food restaurant was duped by a prank caller into pulling a lever triggering fire suppression equipment that soaked the eatery with foam." Then the prankster says "My bad. Break out all the windows and evacuate the building." You can imagine what the manager did. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/6516952.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 8 16:38:54 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 8 16:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h323kd$nd0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And where is the air that needs to replace that which goes up that PVC > chimney supposed to come from? > > It's gotta come from outside ultimately, and if it doesn't, the combustion > products don't go up the flue but hang around inside. Ok, you made me go look ;-) Nope, nothing that I can see attached to the furnace except for the exhaust pipe. And it's horizontal, not vertical -- goes from the top of the furnace straight out thru the basement wall. > > In the past, fresh air (replacing that which goes up the flue) was allowed > to be drawn (from outside) into the return air ducting, causing it to be > heated by the furnace before joining the rest of the air in the house. In > Canada that was ultimately made illegal by code, as the ventilation was > often found to be insufficient, and a separate fresh air vent and duct > must now be supplied to the vicinity of the burners. Unless there's some hidden pipe that goes up to one of the multiple vents on my roof (most are for plumbing), I have no clue where the fresh air is coming from except for recycling house air. From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Thu Jul 9 00:23:39 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Thu Jul 9 00:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: "This is the fire department. We need to conduct a test" References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote > Then the prankster says "My bad. Break out all the windows and evacuate > the > building." > You can imagine what the manager did. > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/6516952.html At least he didn't break the windows. But why didn't the fire alarm work the first time it was pulled? In a sense, it was a test. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 9 09:28:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Jul 9 09:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: So, what heating source do I want? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h3304u$s3b$1@news.spamcop.net... ,,,,, > > Unless there's some hidden pipe that goes up to one of the multiple vents > on my roof (most are for plumbing), I have no clue where the fresh air is > coming from except for recycling house air. Fresh air ventilation is supposed to take a short route to the burners, so in houses with basements, it normally enters just above the ground, around basement ceiling level. It's not normally piped directly into the furnace, just to the vicinity of it. I wouldn't want to be in a weatherized house without it during heating season. On the other hand there are significant leaks into any house, Bathroom vents for one. Fireplace chimney's (that flap over the fireplace is not air tight) and anywhere weather stripping is less than tight. and of course any time an entry is opened. the problem is the fresh air may not get to where CO is created and or may accumulate, at least not fast enough. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 9 21:10:26 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: look what's living in MY garage! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/n5t46u > > gonna have to be very houseproud and not let stuff lurk under beds etc. > when you live with a hoarder, that can be VERY difficult! Do you know about these bogus ones? http://www.sdnhm.org/fieldguide/inverts/stea-gro.html Steatoda grossa - False Black Widow -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 9 21:17:48 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: look what's living in MY garage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/n5t46u > > gonna have to be very houseproud and not let stuff lurk under beds etc. > when you live with a hoarder, that can be VERY difficult! Oh big deal, I find them all over the place, in and out of the house. Last year was terrible due to the high insect population. This year there aren't many bugs so not many spiders to prey upon them...but looking around for them is second nature by me. I even go out hunting every few weeks around midnight. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 9 21:18:57 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You have to be paranoid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:h2rtee$29e$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Actually I have a video camera hooked up to a computer DVR system as a >> result of a particularly bad neighbor. She's gone but renting the >> house out to a nice family...could return someday. >> > > Was she the one who was trying to sell it last year? Yep! Never sold. Price too high, "features" too upscale for a family neighborhood (marble and granite floors, etc...). From user at domain.invalid Thu Jul 9 21:21:59 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Jul 9 21:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: look what's living in MY garage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/n5t46u > > gonna have to be very houseproud and not let stuff lurk under beds etc. > when you live with a hoarder, that can be VERY difficult! Indeed, not to be taken likely - the skin of an adult human is mostly too tough for the bite to have much effect but significant illness is not that uncommon, even death on occasion. And of course the skin is not uniformly tough, hence the old Aussie warning about using the dunny in connection with the closely related redback spider. Though I have known some ladies, posteriors toughened by hard use ... no, no this is *serious*. An effective antivenene/antivenin exists and is surely instantly available in areas of known infestation. Like all spiders, any insect spray will kill them, but not many do so *quickly*. A quick kill not only assuages the wroth of PETA but minimizes the insecurity which would follow should a sprayed arachnid scurry out of sight before maybe expiring, maybe mutating into a super-spider with a pathological hatred of all humanity. My good lady wife once spent several days away from the marital bed after she sprayed a spider which dropped onto the said bed and when she momentarily took her eyes off it, it 'disappeared'. I stripped that bed. I dismantled that bed. The most minute examination revealed no surprises in a fastidious household. Certainly it revealed no spider, dead or alive. None of which made the slightest difference to the agitation of my spouse. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 9 22:02:09 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 9 22:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: look what's living in MY garage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > >> I even go out hunting every few weeks around midnight. > > In your jeep? With a buddy and a spotlight??? Flashlight and a 1-gallon spray bottle of bug killer. Although for the big ones sometimes I need to hit them with a shovel... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 10 01:12:44 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 10 01:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Operation Falcon Message-ID: What is wrong with this picture? 35,000 fugitives arrested in June? That is incredible. How come that many fugitives were not previously arrested and needed to be arrested in June? They call this some kind of 'sweep'. Does that mean that law enforcement and the US Marshals office only work one month out of the year? As one tiny example; in Cleveland the Marshals arrested 12x as many as they usually do in a month. 1200 vs 100. You have to ask 'why is that?' Why aren't they arresting more people per month and less in June? Something is fishy here. References to follow. Start with this one below. Apparently they think this strategy is supposed to get them kudos. IMO it makes them, the process, the sweep, look like buffoons. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/09/us.marshals.arrest/ Operation FALCON nets 35,190 fugitives in annual sweep -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Jul 10 13:20:38 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Jul 10 13:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You have to be paranoid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in news:h364td$956$2 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >> Yep! Never sold. Price too high, "features" too upscale for a family >> neighborhood (marble and granite floors, etc...). >> > > ah, so she'd over-improved it... Not to get racist or anything but she's Indian...a property owning Indian. Most working-class Indians I've met are quite decent people, the rich ones are assholes though. And she's somewhat rich. Thus, she likes to flaunt it. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 10 21:10:36 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 10 21:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Strange NG issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9C43B1DFAE1BAsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > news:h2tn6g$l1a$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I wonder who's messages I can't see? It's much worse here than in >> .geeks, I haven't noticed any problems there. I haven't seen an S-kat >> post for a week or so, is she posting lately? > > Too damn busy with the house business! Finally got the keys yesterday and > have been spending money hand over fist lol. Got a fridge ordered today, > incredible how difficult THAT turned out to be (nobody has anything in > stock!). I remember the feeling.....after just barely scraping enough money together to buy the house and pay the up front costs at settlement I then had to spend something like $5-$6k for appliances, window treatments, paint, wallpaper, etc....was a new house with crap paint on all the walls and no appliances except for stove and dishwasher. And I owned none of the tools necessary for doing most any household work (painting stuff in particular). And every frigging window/door in the house was an odd size (one of the reasons the price was good), so I had to custom order everything. From me at privacy.net Sun Jul 12 20:30:10 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 12 20:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] bra none References: Message-ID: "[SILICONE CITY, UK] Chantal Marshall and four of her daughters have had NINE boob jobs between them, making them the British family to have had the most breast surgery - bra none!" With pics http://www.mirror.co.uk/life-style/kids-and-family/2009/07/12/mum-and-four-daughters-spend-40-000-on-nine-boob-ops-115875-21512369/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jul 12 21:12:04 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jul 12 21:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: bra none References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "[SILICONE CITY, UK] Chantal Marshall and four of her daughters have had > NINE boob jobs between them, making them the British family to have had > the most breast surgery - bra none!" This - my question and confusion - isn't exactly/directly about a whole bunch of boob jobs. It is more about the concept of British health care as it relates to cosmetic surgery and such. I tho't that some countries had 'combined' or rather parallel socialized medicine and private medicine, such as Germany. But that other countries had only one version, namely the socialized system. That is, the private practice fee-for-service version didn't exist in parallel with the national health care system. Now back to elective, non-medically-necessary, cosmetic surgery -- such as boob jobs. How does one go about getting an elective cosmetic surgery in Britain? Is it a country which has doctors working for themselves, fee for service, you pay me and you can have what you want; and other doctors working for the health care system on a salary, or just how does it work? Now I'll go look up some of this information so that when I come back I'll know some of the answers to my own questions. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sun Jul 12 23:47:24 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 12 23:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] BBQ Art Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3pz2VgIM7E&NR=1 From blacklist-me at davjam.org Mon Jul 13 04:51:59 2009 From: blacklist-me at davjam.org (David Bolt) Date: Mon Jul 13 05:00:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: bra none References: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, Mike Easter wrote:- >Now back to elective, non-medically-necessary, cosmetic surgery -- such >as boob jobs. How does one go about getting an elective cosmetic surgery >in Britain? Usually you consult with a private doctor and pay for it yourself. However, under certain, and very limited, circumstances you can get cosmetic surgery on the NHS[0]. This would normally be to repair damage caused due to other injuries and, since it's classed as non-life threatening, would result in the patient being added to a waiting list. >Is it a country which has doctors working for themselves, >fee for service, you pay me and you can have what you want; and other >doctors working for the health care system on a salary, That's about it. Some have private practices where the patient pays for the treatments, while others work for the NHS. For example, Harley Street is fairly famous for the private doctors. [0] One reason would be breast reconstruction after a mastectomy, although there are some other reasons as well. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02 From bcs1 at spamcop.net Mon Jul 13 13:29:54 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Mon Jul 13 14:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Space fans... Message-ID: http://wechoosethemoon.org/ VERY NICE!!!!!!!!! jmho of course... Bill From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 13 17:33:40 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 13 17:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Backyard fish ponds + other stuff Message-ID: I started out with a small 30 gallon tank with four goldfish a few months back. Not too long after that I bought a 135 gallon tank on craigslist for 100 bucks, and moved two of the goldfish into that and added some other fish. So now I have a 30 gallon tank with two goldfish + one plecostomus, and a 135 gallon tank with two goldfish, one plecostomus, and 12 minnows. The small tank has room for a couple small fish, and the big tank has room for lots of fish. Where am I going with this? Well two things. First, any suggestions on a medium-size fish to round off the tanks? Something bigger than a minnow but smaller than a goldfish. Second, in planning for the future, I could purchase yet another 10+ gallon fishtank...or I could put in a backyard pond. Has anybody here any experience with fish ponds? If so, any tips and pointers on how to get started and keep it going? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 13 17:49:27 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Jul 13 17:50:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h3g97h$9sa$1@news.spamcop.net... >I started out with a small 30 gallon tank with four goldfish a few months >back. Not too long after that I bought a 135 gallon tank on craigslist for >100 bucks, and moved two of the goldfish into that and added some other >fish. So now I have a 30 gallon tank with two goldfish + one plecostomus, >and a 135 gallon tank with two goldfish, one plecostomus, and 12 minnows. >The small tank has room for a couple small fish, and the big tank has room >for lots of fish. Where am I going with this? Well two things. > > First, any suggestions on a medium-size fish to round off the tanks? > Something bigger than a minnow but smaller than a goldfish. > > Second, in planning for the future, I could purchase yet another 10+ > gallon fishtank...or I could put in a backyard pond. Has anybody here any > experience with fish ponds? If so, any tips and pointers on how to get > started and keep it going? Well, it all starts with a drawing and a shovel. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 13 18:00:59 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:h3g97h$9sa$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I started out with a small 30 gallon tank with four goldfish a few >> months back. Not too long after that I bought a 135 gallon tank on >> craigslist for 100 bucks, and moved two of the goldfish into that and >> added some other fish. So now I have a 30 gallon tank with two >> goldfish + one plecostomus, and a 135 gallon tank with two goldfish, >> one plecostomus, and 12 minnows. The small tank has room for a couple >> small fish, and the big tank has room for lots of fish. Where am I >> going with this? Well two things. >> >> First, any suggestions on a medium-size fish to round off the tanks? >> Something bigger than a minnow but smaller than a goldfish. >> >> Second, in planning for the future, I could purchase yet another 10+ >> gallon fishtank...or I could put in a backyard pond. Has anybody here >> any experience with fish ponds? If so, any tips and pointers on how >> to get started and keep it going? > > Well, it all starts with a drawing and a shovel. Yeah got that part. :) From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 13 18:22:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:25:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I could put in a backyard pond. There are some *SERIOUS* backyard/ estate/ villa/ castle/ dukedom/ imperial/ fish/koi-ponds. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 13 18:32:40 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 13 18:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> I could put in a backyard pond. > > There are some *SERIOUS* backyard/ estate/ villa/ castle/ dukedom/ > imperial/ fish/koi-ponds. > > Oh yeah I've been looking some pics...some have multi-tier waterfalls and look perfectly natural. I'm just looking for something more moderate, a few thousand gallons at most. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 13 18:58:23 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Jul 13 19:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h3gcm6$9sa$3@news.spamcop.net... > Mike Easter wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> I could put in a backyard pond. >> >> There are some *SERIOUS* backyard/ estate/ villa/ castle/ dukedom/ >> imperial/ fish/koi-ponds. >> >> > > Oh yeah I've been looking some pics...some have multi-tier waterfalls and > look perfectly natural. I'm just looking for something more moderate, a > few thousand gallons at most. A bit if waterfall or fountain is good for natural Oxygenation. A fountain MAY keep cats away. In any case you do need to think about fish predators, which include, but isn't limited to, rats, cats, raccoons, possums, bears. Well Bears, not much you can do, if they get in your garden you just hope you can scare them off. Raccoons are the worst, Cats are next worst predators, although cats are easily discouraged by steep sides and making it impossible to get fish without getting wet, keeping the sides of the pond 6 or more inches above the water level will do that.. A fountain helps. Raccoons, don't mind a splash, or a shower, and they will clean out a koi pond overnight. If there's more than one can eat, they'll invite the family and relations.. AFAIK the only preventative, is a bad year for raccoons, or some kind of mesh over the pond. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jul 13 19:25:08 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jul 13 19:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > Raccoons, don't mind a splash, or a shower, and they > will clean out a koi pond overnight. If there's more than one can eat, > they'll invite the family and relations.. That reminds me of a time long ago when I had a cornpatch utterly destroyed by a gang of raccoons. It wasn't so much how much they ate as how much they tore down and tore into (a bit). What is with the mentality of a raccoon? It goes beyond being a predator or a forager and gets into pure devilment vandalism. Do they laugh? Are they trying to be bad? Have fun? What is fun about having a few bites out of an ear of corn, then climbing back up another stalk to break it down to get another ear to tear up to have a few bites? A bite. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 13 21:52:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Jul 13 21:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h3gfog$1v6$1@news.spamcop.net... ..... > > What is with the mentality of a raccoon? It goes beyond being a predator > or a forager and gets into pure devilment vandalism. Do they laugh? I believe so. > Are they trying to be bad? Have fun? What is fun about having a few > bites > out of an ear of corn, then climbing back up another stalk to break it > down to get another ear to tear up to have a few bites? A bite. You have to have a homebreakers (B&E) sense of humour. I remember, as a teenager, a knock on the door sometime after dinner. When I answered, there were Papa, Mama,Coon and 3 kits standing there on the porch . The all put out their hands palm up and asked for donations. Foolishly we gave them each an egg. From user at domain.invalid Mon Jul 13 22:49:55 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Jul 13 22:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > > I remember, as a teenager, a knock on the door sometime after dinner. When I > answered, there were Papa, Mama,Coon and 3 kits standing there on the porch > . The all put out their hands palm up and asked for donations. Foolishly we > gave them each an egg. > For next time - http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zracoon.html From me at privacy.net Tue Jul 14 08:55:24 2009 From: me at privacy.net (magus kent) Date: Tue Jul 14 09:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Backyard fish ponds + other stuff References: Message-ID: Link: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/ponds/ a lot of knowledge! From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 14 08:56:27 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 14 09:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Bill" >> http://wechoosethemoon.org/ > How about > http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com? Ha! That page's alert was telling my default configured Win Opera (which is perfectly capable of running Flash) that it couldn't *install* Adobe's Flash on my system - strange misguided alert and page fallover for something unexpected in the browser transaction. That is, this .swf on that page http://o.aolcdn.com/moon/httpdocs/expressInstall.swf sez "You are trying to install Adobe Flash Player on an unsupported operating system. For system requirements, please visit Flash Player System Requirements." However, all the page's multimedia functions ran fine in a Ubuntu Firefox's multimedia app. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 15 23:49:14 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 15 23:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] They held hands and they went to sleep. References: Message-ID: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199550/Famous-British-conductor-Sir-Edward-Downes-wife-die-assisted-suicide-clinic-Dignitas-switzerland.html From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 09:08:56 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 09:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: They held hands and they went to sleep. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Their son Caractacus" > > Whoa. That's a name. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caratacus His sister's is Boudicca - "the children were named after warrior leaders who rebelled against Roman rule in Britain" The younger Joan age74 had terminal cancer. Edward, OTOH, was troubled with sadness, poor eyesight and hearing and being 85. "The deaths come shortly after peers voted 194 to 141 to reject reforms that would have made it legal for families to help Dignitas suicides in carefully-regulated circumstances." Dignitas is a Swiss assisted suicide (euthanasia) group that helps those with terminal illness and severe physical and mental illnesses to die assisted by qualified doctors and nurses. In these days of depressed economies, even suicide tourism is still tourism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_tourism As of October 2008, approximately 100 British citizens had travelled to Switzerland from the UK to die at one of Dignitas' rented apartments in Zurich. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bcs1 at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 10:20:46 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Thu Jul 16 10:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C48485BC51F6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bill" ! > >> http://wechoosethemoon.org/ >> >> VERY NICE!!!!!!!!! >> >> jmho of course... > > How about > http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com? > the ' broke the link... From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 11:34:48 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 11:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Bill" >> "Charles" >>> How about >>> http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com? >> >> the ' broke the link... > > Must be a newsreader or browser problem - it works fine here. You 'lie' (misspeak). Names don't get to include any apostrophes, much less two of them. A domainname may not contain any restricted/special characters, ie chars other than 0-9, a-z (including equivalents A-Z), and dash; thus not underscore or *apostrophe* etc. Your fictional name is also almost too long at 59 chars, but not quite. -- max is 63 in the sld. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 13:18:36 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 13:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Charles wrote: > >>> Must be a newsreader or browser problem - it works fine here. >> >> You 'lie' > > Dude. Them's harsh words. I'm just havin' fun. Sheesh! According to the guidelines of crypography and privacy and 'evasion' - the strategy/trick has to have 'plausible deniability'. If the deniability isn't plausible, then it doesn't (work to) deny (properly). If Bill sez "your apostrophe broke the link you provided" - it means you/ your link/ has been 'outed' for its bogosity. You can't (according to these rules we are now discussing) come back with a childlike denial -- "Oh, no; you're wrong. In my system - newsreader/ browser/ nameserver - the domainname rules are suspended and apostrophe's *are* allowed. There must be something wrong with your newsreader/ browser/ nameserver that cause it to not handle apostrophe's." If you do that - so say - then we-all get to say "Liar liar pants on fi-er." That is, given the circumstances, the/my words are not only not harsh, but 'required'. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 13:24:00 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 13:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > and apostrophe's *are* allowed > to not handle apostrophe's. Rats! (Or, omigod if you prefer) Two *more* feral apostrophes. Who would think to find a feral apostrophe within (the plural word) apostrophes its very own self? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 16:15:53 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 16:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> If Bill sez "your apostrophe broke the link you provided" - it means >> you/ your link/ has been 'outed' for its bogosity. > Of course I can come back with that and it's true. I don't believe you. That is, I'm saying you are lying - this time without 'quotes' to indicate a softening of the accusation. Your lies are getting worse and worse. > His newsreader (and > yours, I'm sure) don't like the apostrophes. Mine doesn't care. My > browser doesn't care, either. Prove it. Where 'prove' in this context means to elaborate your position in some way that will sound plausible. I do not believe that you have a browser/newsreader combination that can resolve http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com/ with apostrophes and I also don't believe that you have anything that can resolve http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdontworkwithanyoneelsesbrowsers.com/ which doesn't have apostrophes. Perhaps you would like to choose some other example to 'revise and extend' your remarks so that your new remarks become true instead of false - lies. > The only real issue and problem lies when people do just what I said, > right there, and do whatever. Like the people who made the site Bill > pointed to. > > Now, we just need to say that we agree. The only significant thing we have agreed about in this thread is that a lot of people do very bad jobs of designing websites. We do not agree that various error corrections in the name of helping people find websites is algorithmically feasible, because we would have to start with a discussion of a single example of a website's name with an error, such as an apostrophe, which anything you have can resolve. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 17:20:11 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 17:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I do not believe that you have a >> browser/newsreader combination that can resolve > I'm saying that mine don't choke on it - do not > break it up or give a syntax error. Neither my newsreader nor my browsers nor my nameservers 'choke' on the name. My newsreader puts it into my browser's addressline. My browser calls on my DNS. My dns is an error correcting one, which I changed to from another different error correcting one because I preferred the dns behavior of opendns over that of earthlink's default dhcp provided error correcting advertising dns. However, the algo/s of opendns do *not* simply ignore the apostrophes. The algo does allow a number of 'pursuits' to find out where and how some other names may have gone wrong. In the case of this example, the name is not close enough to anything to cause opendns to make any suggestions, either about nameservers or cache entries. > They both attempt to treat it as a > genuine URL. Which means that neither your nor my nor Bill's resolution process is configured in a way that attempts to perform anything foolish like ignoring apostrophes. I have no idea what Bill saw that caused him to say - to use his exact words.... "the ' broke the link..." Perhaps he will elaborate further. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 18:32:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 16 18:35:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV Message-ID: Comcast is killing me, and I want to dump them, I'm currently paying over $70 month for just basic and one tier for BBC America (a good 85% of what I watch),used to be $27 when I first signed up.... Anyone have good/bad experiences? I've heard Direct is better, Mr. Rent says he's never had a problem with Dish, but since they just settled a lawsuit over their crap service and deceptive practices, I'm not enthralled. Fios not an option, but I hear it's crap anyway. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 18:38:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Jul 16 18:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... ...... >. Fios not an option, but I hear it's crap anyway. What's a Fios? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 18:57:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 16 19:00:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:h3oa5c$jer$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > ...... >>. Fios not an option, but I hear it's crap anyway. > > What's a Fios? Verizon's fiber optic, supposedly their competition for cable. They're not getting good reviews, I hear but Verizon was sold to Fairpoint in this area (so no Fios) and Fairpoint telephone sucks out loud! From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 16 19:48:07 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 16 19:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Craigslist....oh my god... Message-ID: Put an ad up for free stuff leftover from the garage sale. That was an hour ago. Since then I've had dozens of calls and dozens of emails. 6 people already stopped by and took half the stuff. When the ad went up, I got one call per minute literally as soon as the ad went live. I feel like a switchboard, working my cell phone to death. :-/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 20:01:22 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 16 20:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: They held hands and they went to sleep. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h3m7vh$bcl$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199550/Famous-British-conductor-Sir-Edward-Downes-wife-die-assisted-suicide-clinic-Dignitas-switzerland.html > Good for them. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 20:13:55 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 20:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > He wasn't lying, but you are trying to put words in his mouth to make > him appear to be a liar. You must be forgetting that this is where this 'lying' issue started Charles wrote: > Must be a newsreader or browser problem - it works fine here. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 16 20:58:13 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> You must be forgetting that this is where this 'lying' issue started >> >> Charles wrote: >>> Must be a newsreader or browser problem - it works fine here. > > It does work fine to get it into my browser from my newsreader. The > link doesn't break. You're reading something into "works fine" that > isn't necessarily there. Then we are hearing what he Charles said differently. I'll express how I heard him in the context I was listening to. To me, "Works fine." means that the page and all of its associated paraphernalia work properly such as the space link. The subthread started when more than one browser didn't perform the space display properly for the Flash in spite of connecting with the webserver and reaching the webserver-browser interaction stage. Anything less than - works fine - means that whoever is saying 'doesn't work' should be saying what works and what doesn't work. In this case, the first people who started commenting about the page not working were resolving the first space link and accessing the webserver but not getting the full development. Then Chas started kidding (I interpreted) with his bogus link about designing pages for one browser - which wasn't exactly true in this case - because the example didn't work in some but it did for others - but the joke's hyperbole was fine with me. Then Bill posted in a manner that said to me that he had tried to see what was at Chas link and it 'didn't work' -- that is, he didn't connect with a webserver that showed him something humorous or sarcastic or something that fit with the discussion that Chas and I were having. Thus I interpreted what Chas said next as meaning that Bill should've seen something at the link he posted. > Saying a character breaks a link puts me in the mindset that a client > cannot handle the link, not that the link is invalid. I can't count the > number of times people have complained that various news clients have > choked on links enclosed in parentheses, angle brackets, followed by a > period, etc. that have been posted here. That is the vague 'doesn't work' remark. They should say what kind of doesn't work, such as 'doesn't resolve'. When I talk about something that 'doesn't work' I say what works (resolves, connects) and what doesn't work (usually). -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu Jul 16 20:56:23 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. Message-ID: It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some huge South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a bucket of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were dripping in the plate. From me at privacy.net Thu Jul 16 20:58:51 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... : Comcast is killing me, and I want to dump them, I'm currently paying over : $70 month for just basic and one tier for BBC America (a good 85% of what I : watch),used to be $27 when I first signed up.... Anyone have good/bad : experiences? I've heard Direct is better, Mr. Rent says he's never had a : problem with Dish, but since they just settled a lawsuit over their crap : service and deceptive practices, I'm not enthralled. Fios not an option, : but I hear it's crap anyway. : Might switch to over the air HDTV for a month and the re-sub up for the specials. My kids did that and the cable company offered them a better deal if they did not disconnect. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 16 21:09:32 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) > > Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some huge > South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) > > In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a bucket > of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. > > We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were > dripping in the plate. > > > > Sounds refreshing, but eww...I hate cold tomatoes. The only tomatoes I like are in a pasta sauce or in a hot tomato soup. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 16 21:50:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 16 21:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h3oila$me7$1@news.spamcop.net... > It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) > > Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some > huge > South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) > > In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a bucket > of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. > > We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were > dripping in the plate. > You're making my mouth water, I can't wait for mine. They're severely retarded because of all the rain we had, like the entire month of June, so I'm hoping they catch up. We still haven't had one day over 80 this month. I have about 16 different kinds of tomatoes, IF they all make it. From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 17 00:29:35 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jul 17 00:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: ... > My newsreader didn't care that the link was bogus, it passed it (in > it's entirety) to my browser which dutifully tried to resolve the > domain. The earlier poster said that the apostrophe broke the link, not > that the apostrophe made the link bogus. ... My browsers (and Steve Gibson's idserve.exe) don't 'try' at all to resolve the link http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com/ . They *immediately* say 'can't do' in their several ways - but the link without the bogus characters gives the same message in each (Firefox 3.5.1, IE8, SeaMonkey 1.1.17, ID Serve 1.02), though they *do* try to resolve it. I think that qualifies the original link as a broken one. A mere quibble? No, men have gone to jail for just such 'quibbles'. Charles is a guilty as heck :) But I still respect him. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 01:24:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 17 01:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3ob89$miv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:h3oa5c$jer$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Heidi" wrote in message >> news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> ...... >>>. Fios not an option, but I hear it's crap anyway. >> >> What's a Fios? > Verizon's fiber optic, supposedly their competition for cable. They're > not getting good reviews, I hear but Verizon was sold to Fairpoint in this > area (so no Fios) and Fairpoint telephone sucks out loud! You probably can't get FIOS out there in the boonies anyway, they're not going to run fiber all the way out there for a few potential customers. Based purely on technical spec, FIOS kicks Comcast's ass, especially in internet speeds. > > From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 01:39:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 17 01:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Ping Charles Message-ID: A while ago you were looking for a cheap source for scrip drugs, and last night I found the best place - Costco! You don't have to be a member to use their pharmacy (fed law), and their prices can't beat. Since I am in between health insurance coverage, I have to pay out of pocket for my scrips right now. Everyone I could find online wanted over $400 for a one month supply of my BP/lyme disease med Benicar, I can get it at Costco for only $147! And my generic adderall scrip, which CVS and everyone else (legal) wanted $120 for a one month supply only costs $37 at Costco -- an amazing savings rate. Just FYI if you're still looking for a solution. Hell, my valium scrip refill cost at Costco ($9.33 for 60 5 mg tabs) is even cheaper than what I was paying on my COBRA insurance, which had a $15 copay for any generics! From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 17 03:18:52 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jul 17 03:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > ... > but the > link without the bogus characters gives the same message in each > (Firefox 3.5.1, IE8, SeaMonkey 1.1.17, ID Serve 1.02), ... "... same message in each..." relates to the 'can't do' messages "in their several ways", lest that expression be misconstrued by unthreaded brains, which is to say the sameness relates to a one-to-one coincidence with the earlier messages in each when there was no look-up and the later messages in each when there was look-up, not to any (it might be) supposed 'identicality' in messages between the several browsers/the look-up tool. Just to make it abundantly clear. From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 03:27:48 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jul 17 03:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: Not having read any of the other posts yet someone else might have mentioned this already: Try U-verse. It's an ATT product but pretty good IMO. Chris "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Comcast is killing me, and I want to dump them, I'm currently paying over > $70 month for just basic and one tier for BBC America (a good 85% of what > I watch),used to be $27 when I first signed up.... Anyone have good/bad > experiences? I've heard Direct is better, Mr. Rent says he's never had a > problem with Dish, but since they just settled a lawsuit over their crap > service and deceptive practices, I'm not enthralled. Fios not an option, > but I hear it's crap anyway. > > > > From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 17 09:59:45 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 17 10:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > David Dean wrote: >> The earlier poster said that the apostrophe broke the link, not >> that the apostrophe made the link bogus. I think that Bill didn't express himself well, but.... > I think that qualifies the original link as a broken one. A mere > quibble? No, men have gone to jail for just such 'quibbles'. Charles > is a guilty as heck :) But I still respect him. I don't think this is about characterizing what one respects and doesn't respect. I think that when Chas made his joke link and Bill said (whatever he said or meant about the Chas link), that at that point Chas should tell Bill he was making a joke with his bogus link. Or, if he is not 'up for' explaining and/or abandoning a joke, then instead he should say nothing. He should not appear to be leading - or trying to lead - Bill to believe that the link works. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 10:18:07 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Jul 17 10:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) > > Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some huge > South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) > > In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a bucket > of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. > > We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were > dripping in the plate. Now, all you need is some fresh mozzarella ("fresh", as in "if you wait a few minutes, we're making up a new batch in the back"), garlic, basil, salt, and olive oil, and you're all set. -- Kenneth Brody From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 17 11:43:59 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 17 11:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> He should not appear to be leading - or trying to lead - Bill to >> believe that the link works. > > Of course he should. And he knows that Bill is smart enough to figure > it out. That said, would you be happier with this link (keeping the > single quotes, of course)? > http://www.google.com/search? > q=wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com > > Of course, I can't quote this in my NR so that it will work properly for > everyone. How about this one: > http://google.com/search?q=wedon'tfollowallyo'standardssoneener.com > > Happy? Happy??? No. I don't get it. The last time I was happy in this thread was when you (only) did this: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Bill" ! > >> http://wechoosethemoon.org/ >> >> VERY NICE!!!!!!!!! >> >> jmho of course... > > How about > http://wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com? After that joke and my laugh post, everything else that happened thereafter didn't make me happy. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 12:45:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 17 12:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h3q178> Now, all you need is some fresh mozzarella ("fresh", as in "if you wait a > few minutes, we're making up a new batch in the back"), garlic, basil, > salt, and olive oil, and you're all set. Stop it, you evil man!! :D From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 17 16:17:12 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > http://wechoosethemoon.org/ > > VERY NICE!!!!!!!!! Update: Picked by VOA^1 as this week's... Website of the Week - We Choose The Moon .... with a nice writeup/review by Art Chimes ^1 The Voice of America, which first went on the air in 1942, is a multimedia international broadcasting service funded by the U.S. Government through the Broadcasting Board of Governors. VOA broadcasts approximately 1,500 hours of news, information, educational, and cultural programming every week to an estimated worldwide audience of 134 million people. There is (also) an Art Chimes collection of old radio drama, and an Art Chimes broadcast on NPR in 2002 All Things Considered about the ending of radio drama Suspense in 1962. I can still sometimes get some radio drama/suspense on my late night AM radio. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 17 16:21:13 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Farelf wrote: >> I think that qualifies the original link as a broken one. A mere >> quibble? No, men have gone to jail for just such 'quibbles'. Charles >> is a guilty as heck :) But I still respect him. > > I don't think this is about characterizing what one respects and doesn't > respect. > I was just extending the joke (and indulging in a little lampooning), confident that Bill had cottoned on to it (Charles' joke) long ago. But what I said about browsers not attempting to resolve and also failing to resolve but having the same error messages in those different circumstances was factual, in my opinion. Respect? If you reflect on the sort of crime that hinges on a few heartbeats of time making all the difference then you might "get" that part of it, with the "respect" clue - and I offer the further clue that it is low humour. But it all seems to have fallen on barren ground. Never mind, I should be gentler or less subtle or something. From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 17 16:36:36 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h3q178$k7h$1@news.spamcop.net... : Frog Prince wrote: : > It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) : > : > Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some huge : > South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) : > : > In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a bucket : > of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. : > : > We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were : > dripping in the plate. : : Now, all you need is some fresh mozzarella ("fresh", as in "if you wait a : few minutes, we're making up a new batch in the back"), garlic, basil, salt, : and olive oil, and you're all set. I like that as part of a bowl of 'maters' but not as part of a good 'mater' sandwich. Regardless that sentiment can get you shot in this neck of the woods with the justification being "he needed killin" From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 17 16:41:35 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ping Charles References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h3p2r0$udp$1@news.spamcop.net... : A while ago you were looking for a cheap source for scrip drugs, and last : night I found the best place - Costco! You don't have to be a member to use : their pharmacy (fed law), and their prices can't beat. Since I am in between : health insurance coverage, I have to pay out of pocket for my scrips right : now. Everyone I could find online wanted over $400 for a one month supply : of my BP/lyme disease med Benicar, I can get it at Costco for only $147! And : my generic adderall scrip, which CVS and everyone else (legal) wanted $120 : for a one month supply only costs $37 at Costco -- an amazing savings rate. : Just FYI if you're still looking for a solution. Hell, my valium scrip : refill cost at Costco ($9.33 for 60 5 mg tabs) is even cheaper than what I : was paying on my COBRA insurance, which had a $15 copay for any generics! Look into http://rxassist.org/ togetherrxaccess.com There are more so poke around. Qualifications vary but most without income qualify. Hint: make sure you understand the process and cover all the relevant blanks in the form otherwise it goes tilt. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 17 16:43:31 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 17 16:45:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Farelf wrote: > >>> I think that qualifies the original link as a broken one. A mere >>> quibble? No, men have gone to jail for just such 'quibbles'. Charles >>> is a guilty as heck :) But I still respect him. >> >> I don't think this is about characterizing what one respects and >> doesn't respect. I realized after I said that, that it came across as argumentative, when instead I (only) meant to express only that *I* wasn't characterizing this - issue hashing - as what /I /respect and don't respect. > I was just extending the joke (and indulging in a little lampooning), > confident that Bill had cottoned on to it (Charles' joke) long ago. But > what I said about browsers not attempting to resolve and also failing to > resolve but having the same error messages in those different > circumstances was factual, in my opinion. Yes. Your arguments/presentation were 'in harmony' with my view of that resolution process. > Respect? If you reflect on the sort of crime that hinges on a few > heartbeats of time making all the difference then you might "get" that > part of it, with the "respect" clue - and I offer the further clue that > it is low humour. > > But it all seems to have fallen on barren ground. Never mind, I should > be gentler or less subtle or something. At the time you made your remark, I was more focused on clarifying *my* perspective - point of view/ opinion's basis - than (peeling or reapproximating) some onion's layers. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 20:42:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 17 20:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:h3p964$lij$1@news.spamcop.net... > Not having read any of the other posts yet someone else might have > mentioned this already: > > Try U-verse. It's an ATT product but pretty good IMO. > > Chris Surprise, not available. It's Comcast, or satellite, and they like it that way. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Jul 17 21:10:33 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Jul 17 21:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Walter Cronkite Message-ID: Yeah well, he's gone now too. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Jul 17 21:11:10 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 17 21:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > "Heidi" wrote: > > "Bar0" wrote: > >> "Heidi" wrote: > >> > >>> Fios not an option, but I hear it's crap anyway. > >> > >> What's a Fios? > > > > Verizon's fiber optic, supposedly their competition for cable. They're > > not getting good reviews, I hear but Verizon was sold to Fairpoint in this > > area (so no Fios) and Fairpoint telephone sucks out loud! > > You probably can't get FIOS out there in the boonies anyway, they're not > going to run fiber all the way out there for a few potential customers. The boonies aren't the only place Verizon doesn't want to wire up. Verizon threatened not to bring it to Philadelphia if the City Council didn't allow them to cherry-pick the areas it would wire up. Under its original plan, some parts of the city would have had to wait "indefinitely" (read: "until the 12th of never") for service. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 17 22:40:17 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 17 22:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3r5q4$e48$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message > news:h3p964$lij$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Not having read any of the other posts yet someone else might have >> mentioned this already: >> >> Try U-verse. It's an ATT product but pretty good IMO. >> >> Chris > > Surprise, not available. It's Comcast, or satellite, and they like it > that way. I correct myself - apparently Fairpoint Fast internet is getting close, but the prices are hilarious. http://www.fairpoint.com/northern_ne/residential/internet/fast/residential_fiber_service_plans.jsp From joegill at removethis Sun Jul 19 13:41:37 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Jul 19 13:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Comcast is killing me, and I want to dump them, I'm currently paying over > $70 month for just basic and one tier for BBC America (a good 85% of what > I watch),used to be $27 when I first signed up.... Anyone have good/bad > experiences? I've heard Direct is better, Mr. Rent says he's never had a > problem with Dish, but since they just settled a lawsuit over their crap > service and deceptive practices, I'm not enthralled. Fios not an option, > but I hear it's crap anyway. > > > > My experience with DISH has been fairly good. I have had it for 4+ years. The initial installation needed to be adjusted to get a stronger signal. They upgraded the outside dish and LMU when I had a problem. All reception for me is GREAT. I only lose 'local' stations when there is a strong storm or heavy snow/hail. The reason I am told that i lose the locals is that particular sattellie is low on the horizon for me, and weak signal thus.. I have a dual-tuner DVR unit which I love. I am using it for 2 TVs, I DID have some initial problems with the 622 box. It took 3 units to get it right, over a 45 day period. But once I had a good unit, all is well. In 4 years, I have had only one 'hiccup' on DVR. it said there was a disk error, but it recovered. Channel surfing is faster than the Time-Warner unit... much faster. If you have problems with DISH's practices... look VERY CAREFULLY at the DIRECT 'deals'. All sorts of fine print, rebates, monthly rebates etc. to achieve the quoted price. Questions? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Jul 19 16:04:29 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Jul 19 16:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h3vlso$q2k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > If you have problems with DISH's practices... look VERY CAREFULLY at the > DIRECT 'deals'. All sorts of fine print, rebates, monthly rebates etc. to > achieve the quoted price. > > Questions? They seem each as bad as each other, really, DISH is offering all sorts of deals too, only most of those require a two year commitment, which I can't/won't make. They just settled a lawsuit about deceptive advertising etc. and local agents making promises that Dish didn't honor. Dish hadda pay..... If I could get BBCA over the air I'd tell them all to go screw! Did you sign up with a promo rate and then stay on for the regular? How are they at jacking up the price for no good reason, like Comcast? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 20 12:56:03 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Jul 20 13:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h3q178$k7h$1@news.spamcop.net... > : Frog Prince wrote: > : > It's over 100 F here (depending who you believe 104 to 106) > : > > : > Neighbors have a small semi indoor vegetable garden and have grown some > huge > : > South Louisiana Creole Tomatoes. ('bout the size of a softball) > : > > : > In any case they come over with a load of fresh, homemade bread, a > bucket > : > of homemade ice tee and cold, sliced tomatoes. > : > > : > We sat around the kitchen eating tomato sandwiches so good they were > : > dripping in the plate. > : > : Now, all you need is some fresh mozzarella ("fresh", as in "if you wait a > : few minutes, we're making up a new batch in the back"), garlic, basil, > salt, > : and olive oil, and you're all set. > > I like that as part of a bowl of 'maters' but not as part of a good 'mater' > sandwich. True. No sandwich involved at my end. > Regardless that sentiment can get you shot in this neck of the woods with > the justification being "he needed killin" Good thing I don't live there, then. I live in a small town which is half Irish and half Italian. (I am neither, by the way, despite my family name.) Half the town grows their own tomatoes and basil, and it's not uncommon for some to grow their own grapes and make their own wine. We have a small garden, where we grow tomatoes (the real kind, not the "Spaldings" you find in the supermarket) and basil. (We're trying some parsley this year as well. We tried peppers last year, and only got two teeny peppers.) So, some still-warm-from-the-deli Mozzarella, just-picked-a-few-minutes-ago tomatoes and basil, some garlic, salt, and olive oil, and we're all set. Hold on. I need to wipe the drool off my keyboard. :-) -- Kenneth Brody From joegill at removethis Tue Jul 21 02:16:01 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Jul 21 02:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3vu8e$3qo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:h3vlso$q2k$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> If you have problems with DISH's practices... look VERY CAREFULLY at the >> DIRECT 'deals'. All sorts of fine print, rebates, monthly rebates etc. to >> achieve the quoted price. >> >> Questions? > > They seem each as bad as each other, really, DISH is offering all sorts of > deals too, only most of those require a two year commitment, which I > can't/won't make. They just settled a lawsuit about deceptive advertising > etc. and local agents making promises that Dish didn't honor. Dish hadda > pay..... If I could get BBCA over the air I'd tell them all to go screw! > Did you sign up with a promo rate and then stay on for the regular? How > are they at jacking up the price for no good reason, like Comcast? > Some interesting / random things about DISH A) The web offers sometines differ from the regional / local dealer on DISH B) Sometime when I see lawsuits about deceptive practices.. .especially if it is a 'class action'.... I think there are one or more 'gold diggers' who found a whole in a comapny's armor and they and the attorneys make out like priate bandits... The rest of the people get table scraps.... C) DISH honored all their promises to me. D) It looks like their 'national' pacakges currrently offerred require a 24-mo. commitment. Other pacakges may not. E) As for 'jacking up the price'. My experience has been that each yeat the following happens: -1- Some channels are added to the 'tier', -2- Some channels are deleted from the 'tier'. -3- DISH passes along various changes in the 'fees' imposed by the various networks. F) DISH has some unique 'fees'. Let say you 'add' HBO.... no problem, it's added.... Now lets' say you want to 'delete' it... ahh $11 fee, F) You might want to look at www.dishpromotions.tv -or- http://www.satelliteguys.us/metro25/dishstoresite/index.html From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 22 01:08:40 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 22 01:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Hide and watch Message-ID: We're in a third floor apartment with a great view of the farm next door and a fair view of the man made hills beyond. When we moved in I picked up a decent but cheap set of binoculars at the thrift shop. Grand kids love to watch wild critters especially the raptors patrol the farm for a quick meal. In any case the two older girls found a really nice, but old, pair that are both stronger and better made for $2 at a yard sale. Don't know the brand (labels are off). In any case I took them to a local optical/instrument shop and had them cleaned and the lenses polished (annoying but not deep scratches). I was up early (around sun up) fixed a cup of coffee and sat on the balcony watching two hawks cruising over the farm. The smaller bird cocked his legs and dropped like a rock. I was able to follow him down and nail a somewhat large rabbit. Must have had young to feed as he got a good grip and hauled it off to the east. About 10 min later the other bird did the same and hauled that off to the east as well. I'll be curious if they come again in the morning. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 22 09:53:55 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 22 09:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hide and watch References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > We're in a third floor apartment with a great view of the farm next > door and a fair view of the man made hills beyond. What are 'man made hills' in this context? > The smaller bird > cocked his legs and dropped like a rock. A neighborhood red kite^1 can hunt off my back fence which is 40 feet higher than the adjacent terrain (not a 40 ft fence, downsloped terrain) which is full of critters, voles and bunnies. He sits there alertly eyeball hunting and and then silently launches without flapping his wings. He sails/glides angled downward but not as fast as if he were a rock - tucked-in bird dropping thru' the sky, but silent and fast enough to score in the habitat. ^1wikipic http://snipr.com/npxnz -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 22 12:23:50 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 22 12:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hide and watch References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h475lh$mon$1@news.spamcop.net... : Frog Prince wrote: : > We're in a third floor apartment with a great view of the farm next : > door and a fair view of the man made hills beyond. : : What are 'man made hills' in this context? County/City is planning a park or some such activity that requires hills. They are piling fill, dirt from construction, trash etc (no garbage) with the intent that once it packs down the land will be contoured for the specific use. There's one on the other side of the county that was built years ago that is used for hiking, peddle bike motor cross and when the wind is right (not often) some folk play hang glider. Other games involve big cardboard boxes, a steep hill and grass. I expect that game is best played when there is dew on the grass. : > The smaller bird : > cocked his legs and dropped like a rock. : : A neighborhood red kite^1 can hunt off my back fence which is 40 feet : higher than the adjacent terrain (not a 40 ft fence, downsloped terrain) : which is full of critters, voles and bunnies. He sits there alertly : eyeball hunting and and then silently launches without flapping his : wings. : : He sails/glides angled downward but not as fast as if he were a rock - : tucked-in bird dropping thru' the sky, but silent and fast enough to : score in the habitat. : : : ^1wikipic http://snipr.com/npxnz Not, as yet, able to ID beyond the classification: Bird, predator, fun to watch. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 22 14:59:34 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 22 15:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Someone is about to be screwed... Message-ID: From CNN - -- Police search the office of Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, for evidence of manslaughter, Murray's lawyer said. D'oh! From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 22 15:45:11 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 22 16:25:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Proof that Evolution is always a work in progress References: <2ble6511nack1fqi7ud2gbffiipj05hdlv@4ax.com> Message-ID: Another amusing but questionable list, this time of the "10 worst evolutionary designs". Feel free to add your own. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-08/st_best From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 23 22:24:39 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Stupidly Message-ID: I suppose you could say prez Obama spoke stupidly about the Crowley-Gates incident/arrest. How come the cops guys/gals can always defuse the situation on the TV show cops? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu Jul 23 22:39:54 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jul 23 22:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Border Patrol not on the job References: Message-ID: Pic http://pictureisunrelated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wtf-pics-flintstones.jpg From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Jul 24 13:13:22 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: In article , "Mike Easter" wrote: > I suppose you could say prez Obama spoke stupidly about the > Crowley-Gates incident/arrest. You could say that - if you wanted to completely ignore the facts of the situation. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 24 13:48:19 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 24 13:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I suppose you could say prez Obama spoke stupidly about the >> Crowley-Gates incident/arrest. > > You could say that - if you wanted to completely ignore the facts of the > situation. I think I like the way one of the NYT blogger/opeds - Gergen - described it http://snipr.com/nvm4i Were Obama's Race Remarks Too Risky? -- David Gergen - (that said, the president went too far in calling it stupid). Putting back the sentence from which that was extracted... " Even though Mr. Gates apparently lost his temper, the policeman was trained to be sensitive and understanding, especially in inter-racial face-offs. To have handcuffed him and bundled him off to the police station was on its face inappropriate (that said, the president went too far in calling it stupid)." ...whereas the 'overall' of the rest of Gergen's commentary puts an even broader perspective on it and he agrees that Obama should have weighed in on the incident. Obama wasn't as harshly critical of Gates being outrageously uncooperative to authorities as he was critical of the cop's inability to manage the incident without an arrest. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 24 15:41:39 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Jul 24 15:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Proof that Evolution is always a work in progress In-Reply-To: References: <2ble6511nack1fqi7ud2gbffiipj05hdlv@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Another amusing but questionable list, this time of the "10 worst > evolutionary designs". Feel free to add your own. > > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-08/st_best Hmm... > 4 Giraffe birth canal. Mama giraffes stand up while giving birth, so baby's entry into the world is a 5-foot drop. Wheeee! Crack. Sounds like the perfect "only the strong shall survive" adaptation. > 6 Shark-fetus teeth. A few shark species have live births (instead of laying eggs). The Jaws juniors grow teeth in the womb. The first sibling or two to mature sometimes eat their siblings in utero. Mmm ... siblings. See (4) above. > 8 Slug genitalia. Some hermaphroditic species breed by wrapping their sex organs around each other. If one of said members gets stuck, the slug simply chews it off. What. The. Hell? If I could reach far enough to chew it off... :-) -- Kenneth Brody From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 24 15:55:24 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 24 16:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Proof that Evolution is always a work in progress References: <2ble6511nack1fqi7ud2gbffiipj05hdlv@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h4d2pq$325$1@news.spamcop.net... : Frog Prince wrote: : > Another amusing but questionable list, this time of the "10 worst : > evolutionary designs". Feel free to add your own. : > : > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-08/st_best : : Hmm... : : > 4 Giraffe birth canal. Mama giraffes stand up while giving birth, so baby's entry into the world is a 5-foot drop. Wheeee! Crack. : : Sounds like the perfect "only the strong shall survive" adaptation. : : > 6 Shark-fetus teeth. A few shark species have live births (instead of laying eggs). The Jaws juniors grow teeth in the womb. The first sibling or two to mature sometimes eat their siblings in utero. Mmm ... siblings. : : See (4) above. : : > 8 Slug genitalia. Some hermaphroditic species breed by wrapping their sex organs around each other. If one of said members gets stuck, the slug simply chews it off. What. The. Hell? : : If I could reach far enough to chew it off... : Recall the old joke about oral sex with a cannibal? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 24 19:42:31 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 24 19:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> critical of the cop's inability >> to manage the incident without an arrest. > > He was right to be critical of that. This is a real problem that > seems to be getting worse. (although it could just be getting more > attention these days) A neighbor reports intruders breaking into a house's back door. The cop investigates and finds an unknown possible intruder inside and requests said possible perpetrator provide some identification. >From the outset the cop is potentially putting himself in harm's way of an armed robbery in progress - hot. Naturally he is going to be on edge - police mode, I would hope. Next he is verbally assailed by the unknown possible perp. He is trying to get it worked out by calling his headquarters and he can't even communicate because the possible perp is yelling at him so loud. He needs to get it sorted out about who this person is. His only information and responsibility so far is to investigate the reported robbery intrusion at this address. I'm sure he would have much rather had some ID instead of all of the paperwork that would ensue if he had to actually take him to the station. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 24 22:34:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 24 22:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Proof that Evolution is always a work in progress In-Reply-To: References: <2ble6511nack1fqi7ud2gbffiipj05hdlv@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h47se5$epm$1@news.spamcop.net... > Another amusing but questionable list, this time of the "10 worst > evolutionary designs". Feel free to add your own. > > http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-08/st_best > > Only thing that makes "Sense" to me is the humans inability to digest cellulose. There is little to no nutritional value in wood (for humans), so why waste the engergy chewing it for no gain, indeed a net loss in calories? It's like celery, contains no nutrition, just serves as roughage. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 24 22:35:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 24 22:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Proof that Evolution is always a work in progress In-Reply-To: References: <2ble6511nack1fqi7ud2gbffiipj05hdlv@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h4d2pq$325$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If I could reach far enough to chew it off... > You'd be one happy man ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 24 23:29:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 24 23:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4dgt9$ri8$1@news.spamcop.net... > A neighbor reports intruders breaking into a house's back door. > > The cop investigates and finds an unknown possible intruder inside and > requests said possible perpetrator provide some identification. 70 year old man with a cane and luggage, ID and keys. Clever disguise? > > From the outset the cop is potentially putting himself in harm's way of > an armed robbery in progress - hot. Naturally he is going to be on > edge - police mode, I would hope. > > Next he is verbally assailed by the unknown possible perp. He is trying > to get it worked out by calling his headquarters and he can't even > communicate because the possible perp is yelling at him so loud. Do you know this for a fact? I think perhaps Gates was unreasonable, played the race card a little too loudly, and might have overreacted. Or maybe not. HE said he demanded the cop's name and badge number, and the cop wouldn't give it. We won't know the truth till the tapes are released, if there are any. Regardless, should that have resulted in an arrest? > > He needs to get it sorted out about who this person is. His only > information and responsibility so far is to investigate the reported > robbery intrusion at this address. I'm sure he would have much rather > had some ID instead of all of the paperwork that would ensue if he had > to actually take him to the station. He showed him his license and Harvard ID. It should have ended there. Whether or not Gates was rightfully or unrightfully outraged, he was legally in his own home, and he was doing nothing wrong. We should all have the ability to shout in our own homes. The cop could have backed off and just left, he was in no danger, but IMO he took it way too far. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 24 23:31:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 24 23:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4b613$2u4$1@news.spamcop.net... >I suppose you could say prez Obama spoke stupidly about the > Crowley-Gates incident/arrest. > > How come the cops guys/gals can always defuse the situation on the TV > show cops? Here's what I like about Obama - he took responsibility for what he said and called the cop personally and apologized for speaking without knowing the facts, and then admitted that perhaps his friend DID overreact. It all ended in a friendly way with the suggestion of the three of them sitting down with a beer and hashing it out. When did Bush ever do that? From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 00:27:15 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 00:30:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> The cop investigates and finds an unknown possible intruder inside and >> requests said possible perpetrator provide some identification. > > 70 year old man with a cane and luggage, ID and keys. Clever disguise? He wasn't 70. Henry Gates is 58. Personally I think he owns/uses a cane because he thinks it makes him more distinguished - but I'm just making that part up :-) His arrival and luggage was already over with by the time Crowley arrived. > Do you know this for a fact? Since I wrote what I wrote, I've read the police report that Crowley and another officer wrote. I haven't read any such narrative from Gates yet. > I think perhaps Gates was unreasonable, > played the race card a little too loudly, and might have overreacted. And I don't think Crowley should have arrested Gates. > Or maybe not. HE said he demanded the cop's name and badge number, and > the cop wouldn't give it. We won't know the truth till the tapes are > released, if there are any. Regardless, should that have resulted in > an arrest? No. Crowley was leaving - the incident was over. Other cops and neighbors were all over the place. Crowley was heading down the steps, probably hurt/ mad/ pissed/ because he had been treated so badly when he was just trying to do his job. Crowley had been satisfied that Gates wasn't an intruder and that he belonged there. The robbery threat was completely over. He should have kept going. > He showed him his license and Harvard ID. It should have ended there. > Whether or not Gates was rightfully or unrightfully outraged, he was > legally in his own home, and he was doing nothing wrong. We should all > have the ability to shout in our own homes. The cop could have backed > off and just left, he was in no danger, but IMO he took it way too far. That is correct. What needs to happen now is that Crowley needs to apologize to Gates for arresting him and Gates needs to apologize to Crowley for verbally abusi ng him. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 00:28:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 00:30:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Here's what I like about Obama - he took responsibility for what he > said and called the cop personally and apologized for speaking without > knowing the facts, and then admitted that perhaps his friend DID > overreact. I agree. > It all ended in a friendly way with the suggestion of the > three of them sitting down with a beer and hashing it out. When did > Bush ever do that? Back in his younger days, Bush got the drinking part down real good. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Jul 25 11:07:24 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 25 11:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] =?iso-8859-1?q?Heinz_Edelmann=2C_=91Yellow_Submarine?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=92_Artist=2C_Dies_at_75?= References: Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/arts/design/23edelmann.html?_r=1&ref=obituaries Heinz Edelmann, ‘Yellow Submarine’ Artist, Dies at 75 Heinz Edelmann gave the 1968 Beatles movie “Yellow Submarine” its mod-psychedelic look. By STEVEN HELLER Published: July 23, 2009 Heinz Edelmann, the multifaceted graphic designer and illustrator who created the comically hallucinogenic landscape of Pepperland as art director for the 1968 animated Beatles film “Yellow Submarine,” died on Tuesday in Stuttgart, Germany. He was 75. ArtsBeat The cause was heart disease and kidney failure, said his daughter, Valentine. The movie’s mod-psychedelic look, which typifies the era’s spirited graphic art, emerged around the same time as the related psychedelic work of Terry Gilliam, Alan Aldridge and Victor Moscoso, but it has its own whimsical aesthetic. The bulbous Blue Meanies, which personify an evil mood as actual villains, pursue the innocent, well-coifed cartoon Beatles across an ever-shifting milieu of mysterious seas and holes that can be magically picked up and moved. The yellow submarine itself stops in an ocean of pulsating watches, representing time, to light a cigar for a friendly sea monster. Notably, the designs prefigured contemporary music videos, especially in their use of dancing typography. Letters spelling out the lyrics “Love is all you need” morph into a strobing neon wallpaper pattern. “He became famous because of his work on ‘Yellow Submarine,’ ” said the graphic designer Milton Glaser, a friend. “But that celebrity actually obscured his real talent and imagination.” A highly successful advertising and editorial illustrator in Germany, England and the Netherlands, Mr. Edelmann was known for combining Impressionist and Expressionist sensibilities leavened with wit, humor and irony. He developed a distinct graphic style that influenced many artists in Europe and the United States. He was given a Masters Series exhibition at the School of Visual Arts in New York in 2005. In the 1960s he was experimenting with a stylized, soothingly fluid, neo-Art Nouveau manner. That caught the eye of Al Brodax, producer of a successful animated Beatles television cartoon series for children. He chose Mr. Edelmann to be the chief designer of his first feature-length animated film, “Yellow Submarine,” built around a 1966 song of the same name, credited to John Lennon and Paul McCartney, with lead vocals by Ringo Starr. It was not easy to get initial approval for “Yellow Submarine.” The Beatles were unenthusiastic about Mr. Brodax’s more conventional-looking cartoon series (not done by Mr. Edelmann), Newsweek reported in 1968; their manager, Brian Epstein, was a stumbling block as well. The tide turned, Newsweek said, during a stroll through the Tate Gallery in London, where Mr. Brodax and Mr. Epstein happened upon J. M. W. Turner’s “Peace — Burial at Sea” and marveled at that painting’s intense colors. “Wouldn’t it be great if we could get those colors to move?” Mr. Brodax asked. Mr. Epstein replied, “We would need great art.” Mr. Edelmann was the perfect artist, Mr. Epstein finally agreed, and “Yellow Submarine” had some of the Turner’s shimmering quality. It was a career-defining work, “designed, for the most part beautifully,” Renata Adler wrote in The New York Times in 1968, “in styles ranging through Steinberg, Arshile Gorky, Bob Godfrey (of the short film ‘The Do It Yourself Cartoon Kit’), the Sgt. Pepper album cover, and — mainly, really — the spirit and conventions of the Sunday comic strip.” Despite the huge influence of “Yellow Submarine” on the culture of the time, Mr. Edelmann admitted that he could never quite connect with the 1960s aesthetic. Once the film was complete, he altered his approach to avoid being pigeonholed as a psychedelic artist, becoming considerably less ethereal and decorative and turning to what was on the surface his darker side, though it was never really morose but rather ironic. Born in 1934 in the former Czechoslovakia, Mr. Edelmann studied at the Academy of Fine Arts in Düsseldorf, one of the most progressive institutions in postwar Germany. After graduating in the late 1950s, he began working as a freelance designer, illustrator, animator and teacher. He created posters for the Westdeutscher Rundfunk radio station in Germany, book covers for the Klett-Cotta publishing house in Stuttgart and editorial illustrations for a smartly designed magazine for teenagers, Twen, whose art director was the adventuresome designer Willy Fleckhaus. He also illustrated the first German edition of J. R. R. Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings.” In 1989 Mr. Edelmann won a competition to design the mascot for the Expo ’92 world’s fair in Seville, Spain, with his illustration of a pudgy bird with a rainbow plume and conical beak. In the 1980s and early ’90s his visual essays for the Sunday magazine of the newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung addressed cultural and political themes in humorous or dramatic ways. Besides his daughter, Valentine, who lives in Amsterdam and is an illustrator, Mr. Edelmann is survived by his wife, Anna, and one grandchild. He lived alternately in Amsterdam and Stuttgart, where he taught design at the Stuttgart Academy of Fine Arts. Some students reported that his teaching consisted of metaphysical monologues examining links among the arts, literature, Asian mythology, graphic design and the dumbing down of youth. One of the first things he would tell a student was not to pursue a career in illustration. He believed that illustration was the quickest way to penury because, he would argue, illustrators were never adequately paid, unlike their colleagues in advertising. “His insights did not stem from some slowly grown academic wisdom and bitterness,” said the illustrator Christoph Niemann, a former student, “but from his experience on a job finished just the night before.” From dfmanno at mail.com Sat Jul 25 15:04:44 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Jul 25 15:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: In article , "Mike Easter" wrote: > A neighbor reports intruders breaking into a house's back door. > > The cop investigates and finds an unknown possible intruder inside and > requests said possible perpetrator provide some identification. Which was provided: > As [Gates] was talking to the Harvard Real Estate office on his > portable phone in his house, he observed a uniformed officer on > his front porch. When Professor Gates opened the door, the > officer immediately asked him to step outside. Professor Gates > remained inside his home and asked the officer why he was > there. The officer indicated that he was responding to a 911 > call about a breaking and entering in progress at this address. > Professor Gates informed the officer that he lived there and > was a faculty member at Harvard University. The officer then > asked Professor Gates whether he could prove that he lived > there and taught at Harvard. Professor Gates said that he > could, and turned to walk into his kitchen, where he had left > his wallet. The officer followed him. Professor Gates handed > both his Harvard University identification and his valid > Massachusetts driver¹s license to the officer. Both include > Professor Gates¹ photograph, and the license includes his > address. > From the outset the cop is potentially putting himself in harm's way of > an armed robbery in progress - hot. Naturally he is going to be on > edge - police mode, I would hope. > > Next he is verbally assailed by the unknown possible perp. He is trying > to get it worked out by calling his headquarters and he can't even > communicate because the possible perp is yelling at him so loud. The cop was asked for his name and badge number, a reasonable request that he refused to meet: > Professor Gates then asked the police officer if he would give > him his name and his badge number. He made this request several > times. The officer did not produce any identification nor did > he respond to Professor Gates¹ request for this information. > After an additional request by Professor Gates for the > officer¹s name and badge number, the officer then turned and > left the kitchen of Professor Gates¹ home without ever > acknowledging who he was or if there were charges against > Professor Gates. As Professor Gates followed the officer to his > own front door, he was astonished to see several police > officers gathered on his front porch. Professor Gates asked the > officer¹s colleagues for his name and badge number. As > Professor Gates stepped onto his front porch, the officer who > had been inside and who had examined his identification, said > to him, ³Thank you for accommodating my earlier request,² and > then placed Professor Gates under arrest. He was handcuffed on > his own front porch. [Ibid.] > He needs to get it sorted out about who this person is. His only > information and responsibility so far is to investigate the reported > robbery intrusion at this address. I'm sure he would have much rather > had some ID instead of all of the paperwork that would ensue if he had > to actually take him to the station. I don't agree that Gates "verbally assailed" the cop, but even if he did the cop is supposed to be trained to handle that. If he can't do so without arresting someone, he's in the wrong line of work. And yes, I believe Gates before I believe the cop. Cops lie the way you and I breathe: easily, often and without thinking about it. A cop should always be presumed to be lying until proven otherwise. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 15:47:15 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 15:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > "Mike Easter" > This isn't even the statement/narrative of Gates; this is the statement/narrative of a landshark which he gave to The Root of which Gates is the editor-in-chief. "Lawyer's Statement on the Arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr. - Charles Ogletree gives Gates' side of the story in controversial arrest of The Root's editor-in-chief. - By: The Root Staff" > I don't agree that Gates "verbally assailed" the cop, but even if he did > the cop is supposed to be trained to handle that. If he can't do so > without arresting someone, he's in the wrong line of work. I've read the landshark narrative and I've read the narrative of two cops who were there amidst a lot of other cops and neighbors. I believe Gates went whacky against the investigating cop because the cop was suspicious of him and because Gates lifetime is about black men being treated unequally. As a result of Gates whackiness, he screamed verbal abuse at the cop, who was initially able to 'take it' as he realized that Gates wasn't an intruder, and he was leaving. As Gates followed him out into the front where so many other people could hear him and where the scene became more of a 'public place' and Crowley's embarrassment and belittlement mounted in front of his peers and his citizenry, his ego got the best of him and he retaliated by arresting Gates, which he should not have done. He didn't have a good basis to arrest him, except male ego. > And yes, I believe Gates before I believe the cop. That isn't Gates himself talking, that is landshark-talk. > Cops lie the way you > and I breathe: easily, often and without thinking about it. A cop should > always be presumed to be lying until proven otherwise. Cops and lawyers both make a profession out of lying. But lawyers are supposed to lie for their advocacy process. Cops aren't supposed to lie on their reports. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 17:11:40 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 17:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> But lawyers are supposed to lie > > Lawyers aren't /supposed/ to lie any more than officers of the law. In an ideal world, say maybe a military justice system. Not a real world of criminal defense attorneys and civil litigants in which the attorney's most important job is to be an advocate for his client's position. Truth is something that can be tweaked all over the place until it bears no resemblance to the real thing. Furthermore, in this Gates situation that Ogletree is commenting on, he wasn't even there. There is also an interview between The Root reporter and Gates his editor in chief which was pretty biased - naturally that interview isn't going to be 'searching'/penetrating - but instead just an opportunity for Gates to say what he wants with his own spin on it. People like Gates - important figures in the black community who teach and write about and televise the interaction of blacks and whites - should have an extra level of responsibility to behave as a reasonable member of the citizenry just as cops like Crowley should have a responsibility to wield their authority in that citizenry appropriately. I don't think Crowley acted in a racist manner, but I do think that Gates acted in a 'racist' manner. I think Crowley overstepped his authority (ultimately, in the arrest) because Gates made him mad by wrongfully abusing him -- and the authority overstepping had nothing to do with racism except on the part of Gates. Gates overreacted to a white cop acting with authority and not giving Gates the respect to which he is accustomed. Gates is well to do, a man of position and respect in the academic and other communities, has a regular driver, is a world traveler, renowned and mature -- and Crowley a younger white cop was not showing him respect but instead was suspicious of him being a burglar/intruder. That pissed off Gates who misinterpreted it as racial and he went nuts and started dissing Crowley in the name of racism. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 19:07:29 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 19:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> In an ideal world, say maybe a military justice system. > > What makes you think military attorneys are less human than other > attorneys? > > I placed emphasis on the word "supposed" for a reason. Cops aren't > supposed to lie, attorneys aren't supposed to lie. In reality, there > will always be those who do. There is no evidence that cops lie any less > than attorneys. Both sets of occupations come with ethical standards > that require them to be truthful. Far too many fall short in both > professions. The business of how people grow up and flourish by lying is an interesting phenomenon. I grew up with some kind of moral values that I'm not sure exactly where they came from, but they were strongly based on truth. Truth means that you don't mislead and that you don't cause someone else to believe something which isn't accurate by what you omit to say. That isn't to say that I never lied -- but I didn't like doing it and I always considered telling the truth the easiest (for my sensation of easiest) way to communicate most effectively. As I saw more and more of the world, I saw a lot of people lying -- and it seemed to me that it was their way of 'communicating'. (According to their rules) it wasn't really a lie if they didn't state a direct untruth -- if they left unsaid something that someone was assuming in a mistaken comprehension. People think they can tell when others are lying because they learned some kind of skills dealing with poor or mediocre or even pretty good liars. Those same people somehow think that if you can identify a liar by some body language or even a polygraph that you can identify all of them or nearly all of them. Not so -- people can lie like it were the truth. Businesses and advertisers and politicians all lie and schmooz to take advantage of others. It is part of the capitalistic system and seemingly otherwise normal society. The idea that the justice system is some kind of great bastion of truth is mostly bullsh*t. It is just another structure built largely on lies. Perps lie to cops. Cops lie to perps. Cops lie to other parts of their system. Attorneys lie, not just the defense attorneys but also the prosecuting attorneys. Judges lie. It's all a big nest of lies. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 19:42:49 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 19:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Perps lie to cops. Cops lie to perps. Cops lie to other parts of >> their system. Attorneys lie, not just the defense attorneys but also >> the prosecuting attorneys. Judges lie. It's all a big nest of lies. > > And that isn't something we should be proud of. Parents inadvertently teach their children to lie. Children grow up to believe that various forms of lying are how people are supposed to communicate with each other. I don't think 'pride' is in it -- the discussion. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Sat Jul 25 21:17:54 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Jul 25 21:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: In article , "Mike Easter" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > > This isn't even the statement/narrative of Gates; this is the > statement/narrative of a landshark which he gave to The Root of > which Gates is the editor-in-chief. "Lawyer's Statement on the > Arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr. - Charles Ogletree gives > Gates' side of the story in controversial arrest of The Root's > editor-in-chief. - By: The Root Staff" So what? It's the statement of the lawyer representing Gates in this matter. > > I don't agree that Gates "verbally assailed" the cop, but > > even if he did the cop is supposed to be trained to handle > > that. If he can't do so without arresting someone, he's in > > the wrong line of work. > > I've read the landshark narrative and I've read the narrative > of two cops who were there amidst a lot of other cops and > neighbors. > > I believe Gates went whacky against the investigating cop > because the cop was suspicious of him and because Gates > lifetime is about black men being treated unequally. > > As a result of Gates whackiness, he screamed verbal abuse at > the cop, who was initially able to 'take it' as he realized > that Gates wasn't an intruder, and he was leaving. > > As Gates followed him out into the front where so many other > people could hear him and where the scene became more of a > 'public place' and Crowley's embarrassment and belittlement > mounted in front of his peers and his citizenry, his ego got > the best of him and he retaliated by arresting Gates, which he > should not have done. He didn't have a good basis to arrest > him, except male ego. IOW, you've swallowed the cops' story hook, line and sinker. How you can do that when you agree with me on the lack of veracity of cops is beyond me. > > And yes, I believe Gates before I believe the cop. > > That isn't Gates himself talking, that is landshark-talk. > > > Cops lie the way you and I breathe: easily, often and without > > thinking about it. A cop should always be presumed to be > > lying until proven otherwise. > > Cops and lawyers both make a profession out of lying. But > lawyers are supposed to lie for their advocacy process. Cops > aren't supposed to lie on their reports. But they do, all the time. How often do they conveniently find something "in plain sight" during a traffic stop? How often do people with something to hide inexplicably agree to a search of their car? Cops lie so often on the stand under oath that the practice has a name: "testilying." I served on a jury that heard not one but two cops lie on the stand, one of which was easily refuted, the other was not only easily refuted but was not material to making the case against the defendant. All the cops succeeded in doing was destroying their own credibility. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jul 25 21:33:56 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jul 25 21:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > IOW, you've swallowed the cops' story hook, line and sinker. How you can > do that when you agree with me on the lack of veracity of cops is beyond > me. No, I'm guessing at what happened on the basis of all of the information I've seen so far. I don't think Crowley described his feelings or justified his arrest in the statements he made. I don't think Gates is even aware that he is capable of perceiving the incident incorrectly. I think your negative feelings about cops is exaggerated/dominated somehow by your own experiences. Maybe you haven't gotten to know any honest cops well. I think the entire spectrum of human good and badness is represented in the LE lawenforcement community. So there's not only the worst of the worst, but some of the best of the best in there. > I served on a jury that heard not one but two cops lie on the stand, one > of which was easily refuted, the other was not only easily refuted but > was not material to making the case against the defendant. All the cops > succeeded in doing was destroying their own credibility. I can believe that. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sun Jul 26 02:06:23 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 26 02:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-A8D630.16311625072009@killface.local... : In article , : "Mike Easter" wrote: : : > Perps lie to cops. Cops lie to perps. Cops lie to other parts of their : > system. Attorneys lie, not just the defense attorneys but also the : > prosecuting attorneys. Judges lie. It's all a big nest of lies. : : And that isn't something we should be proud of. I learned a long time ago that our legal system is about the law and not truth or justice. Part of that education was to keep my head down, my mouth shut and a tape recorder handy (and out of sight). From me at privacy.net Sun Jul 26 15:06:56 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 26 15:10:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: I think your negative feelings about cops is exaggerated/dominated somehow by your own experiences. Maybe you haven't gotten to know any honest cops well. I think the entire spectrum of human good and badness is represented in the LE lawenforcement community. So there's not only the worst of the worst, but some of the best of the best in there. {{{ It has been pointed out that the actions of the officer has fed the image. If he had backed off as soon as he saw he was dealing with was not a likely threat (except to his ego) but a lot of pent up anger (some of which may not have been with his presence) he could have accomplished his mission and left an impression of reasonable treatment. The reality is that some LEO has lost sight of that fact there is no real need for the police to be the King of the Hill all the time. There are other, more effective ways to get to that point if your real goal is getting the bad guys and keeping the peace. From avoozl at spamcop.net Sun Jul 26 19:02:51 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sun Jul 26 19:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h4gscm$oo1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I learned a long time ago that our legal system is about the law and not > truth or justice. Part of that education was to keep my head down, my > mouth > shut and a tape recorder handy (and out of sight). That's why it's *always* in our best interests to get rid of bad laws or revise the ones on the books so they don't suck. By extension, not electing idiots to congress or our state legislatures. :) From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 28 17:11:37 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 28 17:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Since I wrote what I wrote, I've read the police report that Crowley >> and another officer wrote. > > And now that 911 transcripts have been released, we can see that the > officers reports do contain falsehoods. The caller did not report two > black males with backpacks. What you call a falsehood, I call an error. To what advantage would it be to intentionally lie about a witness saying a backpack on an intruder? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 28 17:41:58 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 28 17:45:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> What you call a falsehood, I call an error. To what advantage would it >> be to intentionally lie about a witness saying a backpack on an >> intruder? > > You ignore the more important falsehood, the caller did not say the > men were black. Nor did she refer to them as "intruders" She said they > might just be having trouble with the door/key. > "Black men with backpacks" is far more sinister because it is a > stereotype used to characterize them as thieves. You are calling the report an intentional lie; when I'm assuming it actually (most likely) reflects the truth, but perhaps errantly. What we have access to so far about Lucia Whalen said and when is the transcript of her telephone call to report the possible crime. We do *not* have any post-incident statements directly by her about what else she had to say when Crowley and Figuero and others arrived and she was near the porch. We have some post-incident statements by her attorney, but that isn't the same thing at all, since the attorney wasn't there, and what's more the attorney has an advocacy job to do. I'm sure Lucia Whalen had a lot more to say to various officers, either Crowley when he first arrived or one of the other officers whose narrative contributes to the report. It is entirely possible the concept of the backpacks and race which weren't mentioned in the recorded telelphone call crept into Crowley's report from some other statements at the scene by Whalen, which report also reflected officer Figuero's insight. Lucia Whalen is currently feeling that she has been vilified in this incident, so she has hired an attorney Wendy Murphy and is allowing Murphy to make statements on her behalf. That attorney's statements are structured from the perspective of making her client 'look better', not necessarily to display and expose every single truth about the issue of what Whalen said to officers and when. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 28 18:03:24 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 28 18:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Lucia Whalen is currently feeling that she has been vilified in this > incident, so she has hired an attorney Wendy Murphy and is allowing > Murphy to make statements on her behalf. Speaking of Lucia and Wendy, (wendysez luciasez) "she does not believe the police acted inappropriately. Without describing the content of what she heard, there's only one person she heard screaming, and that was Professor Gates." another wendysezluciasez -- we're not revealing the things that she heard. - She heard Professor Gates yelling. - She's glad that it's working toward an amicable resolution. She respects the police. She respects Professor Gates. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Jul 28 19:19:36 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 28 19:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Best Idea Ever... References: Message-ID: >From another group. Its got "truth in advertizing" written all over it :) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6167185 At least we'd know who was paying them. From me at privacy.net Tue Jul 28 20:37:58 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4npi4$eb2$1@news.spamcop.net... : David Dean wrote: : > "Mike Easter" : : >> Since I wrote what I wrote, I've read the police report that Crowley : >> and another officer wrote. : > : > And now that 911 transcripts have been released, we can see that : the officers reports do contain falsehoods. The caller did not report two : > black males with backpacks. : : What you call a falsehood, I call an error. To what advantage would it : be to intentionally lie about a witness saying a backpack on an : intruder? : None, but the choice of words is indicative of the mind set and perhaps world view of the officer. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 28 20:50:34 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 28 20:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Stupidly References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> What you call a falsehood, I call an error. To what advantage would it >> be to intentionally lie about a witness saying a backpack on an >> intruder? >> > > None, but the choice of words is indicative of the mind set and perhaps > world view of the officer. Sgt. Crowley isn't the one who answered the 911 and conversed with Lucia. Sgt. Crowley's information was '2nd hand' -- he was in uniform in his unmarked cruiser and he heard whatever is an ECC broadcast about a possible break-in. He was close so he went there and called ECC and told them to tell the caller to meet him there. Fast forward. Later, post-incident he wrote a narrative which narrative described talking to a lady there with a cellphone in her hand and which his narrative said that she told him that two black men with backpacks were seen breaking in. Her attorney says differently now. The recording of the 911 interaction isn't what Crowley's narrative is describing. I can imagine scenarios in which neither Lucia Whalen nor Crowley are lying - but the information that got into the narrative didn't come into Crowley's consciousness exactly as described. Maybe he got the black men with backpack information from one of the other officers who talked to Whalen while he was inside or a myriad of other possibilities. Crowley didn't go to Gates residence with the intention of forcing his way into a resident's house and arresting him for no good reason. Crowley went to Gates residence because a break-in or possible break-in was reported and he went to investigate. When he first saw Gates, he didn't know if he was -1- the legal resident in a mistaken call -2- the legal resident who was in a house which also contained an intruder or -3- the intruder himself. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 28 21:39:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 28 21:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter Message-ID: Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent almost 10 years working on before lyme disease felled me prior to the final testing/checkouts and post launch calibration activities. http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ From me at privacy.net Tue Jul 28 21:39:18 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 28 21:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Heavy rain forecast References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C56D69506736TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : So... Why is the radar map blank? Blank blank? Forecasters are crack : smokers. George Carlin Hippy dippy weather man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1uaw3WIOlc From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Wed Jul 29 12:04:27 2009 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Gezgin) Date: Wed Jul 29 12:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote > Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this > image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent > almost 10 > http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ Thank Dog for Jupiter. Without it, a lot of that crap might be raining down on us. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From me at privacy.net Wed Jul 29 13:19:35 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 29 13:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h4prud$ajv$1@news.spamcop.net... : "indigo" wrote : : > Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this : > image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent : > almost 10 : : > http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ : : Thank Dog for Jupiter. Without it, a lot of that crap might be raining down : on us. Unfortunately Jupiter does not seem to have any effect on Washington. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 13:33:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Jul 29 13:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h4q0b4$t46$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Gezgin" wrote in message > news:h4prud$ajv$1@news.spamcop.net... > : "indigo" wrote > : > : > Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this > : > image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent > : > almost 10 > : > : > http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ > : > : Thank Dog for Jupiter. Without it, a lot of that crap might be raining > down > : on us. > > Unfortunately Jupiter does not seem to have any effect on Washington. Then, why hasn't it been hit by a nice big meteor? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 14:03:12 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jul 29 14:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Heavy rain forecast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9C56D69506736TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > : So... Why is the radar map blank? Blank blank? Forecasters are crack > : smokers. > > George Carlin Hippy dippy weather man > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1uaw3WIOlc Having heard and seen the skit many times, I have no need to see the video again. (Not that I wouldn't enjoy it, mind you.) Some random lines I remember: Tonight's forecast -- dark. Turning to widely scattered light in the morning. The weather will be dominated by a large Canadian low. Which is not to be confused with a Mexican high. Now, where is that LP[1] I have stored away somewhere? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LP_album -- Kenneth Brody From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 14:05:06 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jul 29 14:10:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this > image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent > almost 10 years working on before lyme disease felled me prior to the > final testing/checkouts and post launch calibration activities. > > http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ You weren't responsible for the mirror grinding, were you? :-) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 14:49:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Jul 29 14:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h4q30u$dfv$2@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: >> Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this >> image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent >> almost 10 years working on before lyme disease felled me prior to the >> final testing/checkouts and post launch calibration activities. >> >> http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ > > You weren't responsible for the mirror grinding, were you? :-) Just the aberration tests. (;-D) From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 29 20:25:08 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 29 20:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > I understand but I don't get it. I mean, yeah, it's all about sex, but > what? I mean, a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around > the neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. I mean, like, hot. In a > family neighborhood. Maybe she's liberated and would just think me > (and all of the other men in the neighborhood) sexist. Seems more > likely that she's trolling. I know, I know, it's a modern age and bla > bla bla but give me a break. Or whatever. I'm just a young fogey who > doesn't get it. Don't take the fact that she is a woman with two legs attached to a trunk so seriously. You didn't say anything about her face or head. That head is where she keeps/hides her sex organ, you know. And what about her kid? Was it cute? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 29 21:34:11 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 29 21:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" > >> And what about her kid? Was it cute? > > I dunno - it was in the pram. I haven't been pushing or bicycling kids around in a while. Back in my day a 'stroller' was something with an exposed kid sitting up with or without a sunshade top. A 'pram' sounds to me like a baby buggy in which a kid is lying in a portable crib with a partial cover and sides higher than the kid which is not visible to the neighborhood unless you are a tiny little man escounced between the breasts of the lady pushing the baby buggy around and looking down at the kid instead of the cleavage surrounding you. Or if you were to walk up and speak to the lady and look down into her baby buggy instead of at her breasts or legs. > May not have even been a kid, for that > matter. It may have all been an elaborate hoax designed to get the men > in the neighborhood to ogle. She probably was trying to get raped. You know, just asking for it. :-/ -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 22:58:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jul 29 23:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C57C5A1ED8F0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I understand but I don't get it. I mean, yeah, it's all about sex, but > what? I mean, a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around the > neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. I mean, like, hot. In a family > neighborhood. Maybe she's liberated and would just think me (and all of > the other men in the neighborhood) sexist. Seems more likely that she's > trolling. I know, I know, it's a modern age and bla bla bla but give me a > break. Or whatever. I'm just a young fogey who doesn't get it. Sounds like a slut to me.....or maybe she's a harried new mother who forgot to put her pants on. Nah. She's a slut. You best be wary of those types, they ain't got no morals.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 23:00:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jul 29 23:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4qtai$6m5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Or if you were to walk up and speak to the lady and look down into her > baby buggy instead of at her breasts or legs. *snort* Like THAT ever happens....... From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 29 23:25:26 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 29 23:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" >> a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around >> the neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. > Sounds like a slut to me.....or maybe she's a harried new mother who > forgot to put her pants on. Nah. She's a slut. You best be wary of > those types, they ain't got no morals.... I think the neighborhood should bring her before the local magistrate and present the spectral evidence against her - likely she is complicit with the devil - and she should be tried as a witch, or maybe a witch-temptress. Then she should be put into a ducking stool and doused/dunked/submerged repeatedly until she confesses the evilness of her ways. In the future she should wear proper Victorian style dress and shoes/boots and definitely not expose her ankles. The face and eyes are still OK here. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 23:52:51 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 29 23:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Gezgin" wrote in message news:h4prud$ajv$1@news.spamcop.net... > "indigo" wrote > >> Amazing how often amateur astrometers discover things first......this >> image is from the newest instrument installed on HST, the one I spent >> almost 10 > >> http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/23/image/a/ > > Thank Dog for Jupiter. Without it, a lot of that crap might be raining > down on us. > Scary thing is that no government operated systems noticed the "object" prior to it impacting Jupiter.....it must have been coming straight at us and Jupiter got in the way -- we cannot detect objects moving head on in our direction, we need them to move from our point of view to see them. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 23:54:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 29 23:55:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h4q30u$dfv$2@news.spamcop.net... > > You weren't responsible for the mirror grinding, were you? :-) Heh. No. I was probably still in grad school when the lens was manufactured. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 29 23:59:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 30 00:00:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4r3r4$61m$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> "Charles" > >>> a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around >>> the neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. > >> Sounds like a slut to me.....or maybe she's a harried new mother who >> forgot to put her pants on. Nah. She's a slut. You best be wary of >> those types, they ain't got no morals.... You've all forgotten one obvious option -- she's very hot, has great legs, and she and especially her husband are proud of her looks. Kind of a "making all the other men in the neighborhood jealous" kind of thing. Basically they are showing her off like a prize. Problem is, she'll never, ever get invited into her female neighbors houses for a cup of java, they'll hate her for displaying her goodies for all to see. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 30 00:22:32 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 30 00:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: >>> "Charles" >> >>>> a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around >>>> the neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. > You've all forgotten one obvious option -- she's very hot, Bah! I don't like this 'hot' term, unless you're talking about the weather. She's a woman who wore a very short skirt walking down the street in her neighborhood. This 'hotness' term carries - tries to carry - a lot more implications than wearing a short skirt, with or without 'great' or attractive legs. > has great > legs, and she and especially her husband are proud of her looks. You could say all that without saying 'she's very hot' - unless you only want 'hot' to mean that she's physically attractive or even going one better "has sex appeal" - which term includes everything from being a man with the appearance of affluence to someone of either sex with a great sense of humor. > Kind > of a "making all the other men in the neighborhood jealous" kind of > thing. Those dynamics would imply that she has to ask her husband's approval for what she wears when she's walking the baby or even more outlandishly - that he lays her clothes out for her in the morning so that she will wear something that indirectly feeds his male ego - trophy-wise. Bah! Humbug. > Basically they are showing her off like a prize. Problem is, > she'll never, ever get invited into her female neighbors houses for a > cup of java, they'll hate her for displaying her goodies for all to see. You've been watching too many sit-coms on TV. The scripts are starting to get into your imagination. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu Jul 30 01:36:46 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jul 30 01:50:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h4r5rc$f9l$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "Mike Easter" wrote in message : news:h4r3r4$61m$1@news.spamcop.net... : > Heidi wrote: : >> "Charles" : > : >>> a new neighbor was just out pushing her stroller around : >>> the neighborhood. In a very mini mini skirt. : > : >> Sounds like a slut to me.....or maybe she's a harried new mother who : >> forgot to put her pants on. Nah. She's a slut. You best be wary of : >> those types, they ain't got no morals.... : : You've all forgotten one obvious option -- she's very hot, has great legs, : and she and especially her husband are proud of her looks. Kind of a "making : all the other men in the neighborhood jealous" kind of thing. Basically they : are showing her off like a prize. Problem is, she'll never, ever get invited : into her female neighbors houses for a cup of java, they'll hate her for : displaying her goodies for all to see. New family moved in near my daughter's house. Mother is around 28 or so and is quite attractive. There is a neighbor that has a really nice (and big pool). Neighbor boys ( 12 to 15) are quite smitten with her. I was within ear shot the first time they found out she was the mother of several of the kids in the pools (her kids are adopted) in any case the general consensuses among that bunch of boys was "That's their MOTHER?" I expect there are more than a few that would be more than willing to be the next kid adopted into that family. If you've got it flaunt it. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 30 06:40:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 30 06:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h4r5rc$f9l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You've all forgotten one obvious option -- she's very hot, has great legs, > and she and especially her husband are proud of her looks. Kind of a > "making all the other men in the neighborhood jealous" kind of thing. > Basically they are showing her off like a prize. Problem is, she'll never, > ever get invited into her female neighbors houses for a cup of java, > they'll hate her for displaying her goodies for all to see. Oh my god, "Fun for the Pathetically Insecure and Attention Seeking Self Absorbed Adult"? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 30 07:09:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jul 30 07:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h4r3r4$61m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I think the neighborhood should bring her before the local magistrate > and present the spectral evidence against her - likely she is complicit > with the devil - and she should be tried as a witch, or maybe a > witch-temptress. Then she should be put into a ducking stool and > doused/dunked/submerged repeatedly until she confesses the evilness of > her ways. > > In the future she should wear proper Victorian style dress and > shoes/boots and definitely not expose her ankles. The face and eyes are > still OK here. > Whatever happened to stoning, has that been outlawed? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 30 08:11:58 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 30 08:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: women References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> witch-temptress. Then she should be put into a ducking stool and > Whatever happened to stoning, has that been outlawed? As a matter of fact, stoning is still on the 'books'/ permitted/ practiced under Islamic law. Just this year there was an important case in which a woman who was sentenced to death by stoning had her sentence commuted to 100 lashes. Iran's judiciary put a moratorium on death by stoning in 2002, but AI Amnesty Interntl sez there have been 5 such executions there since the moratorium. Last year a 13 y/o girl was stoned to death by 50 men in Somalia under the oversight of the militia. There are some groups trying to stop all stoning executions, but you know how those abolish capital punishment wienies are. :-/ -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 30 09:38:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Jul 30 09:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hubble captures afer-effects of meteor collision with Jupiter References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h4r5gp$e0k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h4q30u$dfv$2@news.spamcop.net... >> >> You weren't responsible for the mirror grinding, were you? :-) > > Heh. No. I was probably still in grad school when the lens was > manufactured. Ummm, it didn't have a lens originally, until they put specs on it, that is. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:07:57 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h3o5i9$159$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I have no idea what Bill saw that caused him to say - to use his exact > words.... > > "the ' broke the link..." > > Perhaps he will elaborate further. > sorry, been busy, haven't looked in this window in a while... man, what did I start here???? it's simply that because of the ' the url stops at "wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon" The webpage "wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon" cannot be found DNS error occurred. Server cannot be found. The link may be broken. so I pointed out that the ' broke the link I assumed by the link's wording that the original link I posted didn't work in his browser and that his response link was his way of humorously saying so though, so I never bothered going to the link(or trying to) without the ' in it... Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:12:59 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-8CD9C0.12413017072009@killface.local... > In article , > Charles wrote: > >> Me? Ambiguous? Whoa. > > You *and* Bill. > -- > -David LOL, yes, when I said it broke the link, i was proceeding under the impression that Charles had had a problem viewing the original site and I was just "picking" back at him because of the ' in the link he made to tell me so..... LMAO, long thread from just a little ' huh? Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:14:28 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:h3ouna$bi4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles is a guilty as heck :) we all already knew that though LOL From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:17:45 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Space fans... References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C4B6F3AFEE3FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> He should not appear to be leading - or trying to lead - Bill to believe >> that the link works. > > Of course he should. And he knows that Bill is smart enough to figure it > out. That said, would you be happier with this link (keeping the single > quotes, of course)? > http://www.google.com/search? > q=wechoosetomakewebsitesthatdon'tworkwithanyoneelse'sbrowsers.com > > Of course, I can't quote this in my NR so that it will work properly for > everyone. How about this one: > http://google.com/search?q=wedon'tfollowallyo'standardssoneener.com > > Happy? Happy??? HAHA, I had taken it that you were goofing from the start, but had a problem viewing the original site/content.. LOL sorry man... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:24:57 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:25:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3o9pf$i2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Comcast is killing me, and I want to dump them, I'm currently paying over > $70 month for just basic and one tier for BBC America (a good 85% of what > I watch),used to be $27 when I first signed up.... Anyone have good/bad > experiences? I've heard Direct is better, Mr. Rent says he's never had a > problem with Dish, but since they just settled a lawsuit over their crap > service and deceptive practices, I'm not enthralled. Fios not an option, > but I hear it's crap anyway. > > > > well, maybe better late than never, but if you've still not decided on a solution, I've had Dish for 3 or 4 years now and outside of a couple of somewhat *minor* issues, i've been happy with them.. I had direct TV many years ago and while they weren't bad, i wasn't totally impressed by them enough to go back to them when my cable bill started climbing beyond what I felt was a good price because I wanted to have a single channel that wasn't in their "base" package... Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:25:31 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Craigslist....oh my god... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:h3oe7f$8cv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Put an ad up for free stuff leftover from the garage sale. That was an > hour ago. Since then I've had dozens of calls and dozens of emails. 6 > people already stopped by and took half the stuff. When the ad went up, I > got one call per minute literally as soon as the ad went live. I feel > like a switchboard, working my cell phone to death. :-/ HAHA... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:26:55 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:30:05 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Thank god for neighbors and small delicious favors. References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:h3q9rl$2j3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h3q178> Now, > all you need is some fresh mozzarella ("fresh", as in "if you wait a >> few minutes, we're making up a new batch in the back"), garlic, basil, >> salt, and olive oil, and you're all set. > > Stop it, you evil man!! :D > LMAO, but doesn't that sound sooooooo good? From bcs1 at spamcop.net Fri Jul 31 09:30:00 2009 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:30:06 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hide and watch References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h475lh$mon$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > ^1wikipic http://snipr.com/npxnz > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > That's a beautiful Bird... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 31 09:54:49 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 31 09:55:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Hide and watch References: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> ^1wikipic http://snipr.com/npxnz > That's a beautiful Bird... I don't normally get to see 'my' kite in that profile, as he is usually sitting on my fence when I see him. Every once in a while I see him soaring overhead, but I'm not close enough to see the colors and the feathers as clearly as that photo's detail. He's not really very big. He's actually smaller than some of the blackbird/grackles who live in the neighborhood that make the mockingbirds crazy. Of course he has much classier wings and tail than the grackles, which don't impress me with their flight. Or their voices. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bert at iphouse.com Fri Jul 31 11:04:47 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Fri Jul 31 11:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast vs. Dish vs. Direct TV References: Message-ID: In news:h3vu8e$3qo$1@news.spamcop.net "Heidi" wrote: > They seem each as bad as each other, really, DISH is offering all > sorts of deals too, only most of those require a two year commitment, > which I can't/won't make. You could buy the hardware outright and go month-to-month if you're really interested. The 222k dual-tuner HD receiver and an antenna can be had for $300. You can add a dual-tuner OTA module for $40. I've been with Dish for 9 years. I had a one-year contract at first to get the free hardware, went without for a while, then went with an 18-month contract to get some new hardware and again am currently without any contract. I'm currently stymied in trying to get HD programming from Dish because the two satellites that carry the programming aren't visible from my house. Other than that, I've had no complaints. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 31 16:31:57 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 31 16:40:04 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Amazon Sued over Kindle References: <0oh675tj78qnmr0rm0ujsksk1tkl48vr4v@4ax.com> Message-ID: It had to happen... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_en_ot/us_tec_amazon_kindle_lawsuit_2/ap_en_ot/us_tec_amazon_kindle_lawsuit_2 From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 31 20:52:17 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 31 20:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Amazon Sued over Kindle References: <0oh675tj78qnmr0rm0ujsksk1tkl48vr4v@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Charles" Amazon sued over Kindle deletion of Orwell books By TIM KLASS, Associated Press Writer Tim Klass, Associated Press Writer – Fri Jul 31, 11:52 am ET SEATTLE – A high school student is suing Amazon.com Inc. for deleting an e-book he purchased for the Kindle reader, saying his electronic notes were bollixed, too. Amazon CEO Jeffrey P. Bezos has apologized to Kindle customers for remotely removing copies of the George Orwell novels "1984" and "Animal Farm" from their e-reader devices. The company did so after learning the electronic editions were pirated, and it gave buyers automatic refunds. But Amazon did it without prior notice. The lawsuit seeking class-action status was filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Seattle on behalf of Justin D. Gawronski, 17, a student at Eisenhower High School in Shelby Township, Mich., as well as Antoine J. Bruguier, an adult reader in Milpitas, Calif. Patty Smith, an Amazon spokeswoman, said the Seattle-based company was aware of the filing but does not comment on pending litigation. The case seeks unspecified damages for all buyers of e-books that Amazon deleted from the Kindle as well as a ban on future deletions. The lawsuit said Amazon never disclosed to customers that it "possessed the technological ability or right to remotely delete digital content purchased through the Kindle Store." Bruguier complained to Amazon repeatedly after losing his copy of "1984," appealing in vain for that or an authorized edition to be restored to his Kindle, according to the lawsuit. "I thought that once purchased, the books were mine," he wrote. Gawronski told The Associated Press he was assigned "1984" for an advanced placement course in which students must turn in "reflections" on each 100 pages of text when they return from summer break, then take a test. He was a quarter to halfway through the book when it disappeared from his Kindle. His notes on the book were "rendered useless because they no longer referenced the relevant parts of the book," according to the lawsuit. Jay Edelson, a Chicago lawyer who filed the lawsuit, said in a news release that Amazon's actions could have far-reaching consequences if allowed to stand. "Amazon.com had no more right to hack into people's Kindles than its customers have the right to hack into Amazon's bank account to recover a mistaken overpayment," Edelson said. "Technology companies increasingly feel that because they have the ability to access people's personal property, they have the right to do so. That is 100 percent contrary to the laws of this country." From me at privacy.net Fri Jul 31 21:32:40 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 31 21:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] RIAA Says "Don't Expect DRMed Music To Work Forever" References: Message-ID: "Buying DRMed content, then having that content stop working later, is fair, writes Steven Metalitz, the lawyer who represents the MPAA, RIAA in a letter to the top legal advisor at the Copyright Office. 'We reject the view that copyright owners and their licensees are required to provide consumers with perpetual access to creative works.' In other words, if it stops working, too bad. Not surprisingly, Metalitz also strongly opposes any exemption that would allow users to legally strip DRM from content if a store goes dark and takes down its authentication servers." RIAA Says "Don't Expect DRMed Music To Work Forever" http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/1736209/RIAA-Says-Dont-Expect-DRMed-Music-To-Work-Forever?from=rss Big Content: ludicrous to expect DRMed music to work forever http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/big-content-ridiculous-to-expect-drmed-music-to-work-forever.ars