From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 1 04:34:01 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 1 04:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] On jealousy Message-ID: So yeah I've always been a pretty jealous person when it comes to people I have an interest in. It borders on obsession at times. I recognize this and struggle to keep it from getting away from me and luckily I tend to do a pretty good job. It just sucks having to deal with it, you know? Ugh. I mean I meet someone, date them for awhile, decide to go steady, all the while taking the high road by saying "Yeah I don't care if you spend time with your male friends, because I trust you." Of course, while I say that, deep down inside I'm practically puking. I want to have her to myself, I'm not comfortable if she goes out with her friends, or on short vacations out of town with guy friends whom she's known a hell of a lot longer than me...etc. But I don't dare tell her of course. Not only do I not want to come off as a hypocrite but I should let her live her life...right? I don't have the right to control who she spends time with, do I? Nah. So I'm kinda stuck dealing with it. I keep telling myself over and over that I trust her. Do I really? Or is it a self-esteem thing where I feel that a girlfriend would lie to me and cheat on me at the first available opportunity? Hmm, that actually makes a bit of sense...it's not an issue with trusting her, it's an issue with trusting myself. Just my usual being an obsessive worry-wort, I guess. As I said before, ugh. Anywho...late night ramblings are never a good idea. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 06:25:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Dec 1 06:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hf2nu7$ahb$1@news.spamcop.net... > So yeah I've always been a pretty jealous person when it comes to people I > have an interest in. It borders on obsession at times. I recognize this > and struggle to keep it from getting away from me and luckily I tend to do > a pretty good job. It just sucks having to deal with it, you know? Ugh. > > I mean I meet someone, date them for awhile, decide to go steady, all the > while taking the high road by saying "Yeah I don't care if you spend time > with your male friends, because I trust you." > > Of course, while I say that, deep down inside I'm practically puking. I > want to have her to myself, I'm not comfortable if she goes out with her > friends, or on short vacations out of town with guy friends whom she's > known a hell of a lot longer than me...etc. But I don't dare tell her of > course. Not only do I not want to come off as a hypocrite but I should > let her live her life...right? I don't have the right to control who she > spends time with, do I? Nah. So I'm kinda stuck dealing with it. > > I keep telling myself over and over that I trust her. Do I really? Or is > it a self-esteem thing where I feel that a girlfriend would lie to me and > cheat on me at the first available opportunity? Hmm, that actually makes > a bit of sense...it's not an issue with trusting her, it's an issue with > trusting myself. Just my usual being an obsessive worry-wort, I guess. > As I said before, ugh. > > Anywho...late night ramblings are never a good idea. If she wants to spend time with other friends, male friends especially, and doesn't include you in the group, then you're far more attached to her than she is to you. Take a step back and look at the situation objectively, acting jealous and posessive is a vibe that will drive people away whether you're overt about it or not. You don't know this person well enough to trust her, so why do you try to convince yourself that you do? You don't have any right or reason to be so obsessive, you're not engaged, it's clear to me only one of you thinks it's an exclusive relationship. It's your issue, not hers, for expecting too much too soon from someone who doesn't really seem to be as involved as you are. I think you proabably don't have very realistic expectations..... From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Dec 1 10:07:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Dec 1 10:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > So... what did you have for breakfast? I've recently become a big fan of softboiled eggs, which optimal results require -1- always keeping a couple of eggs out so that they will be at room temperature before the cooking begings -2- having a 1950s vintage egg (or rice or whatever) cooker which has great precision if used with precisely measured distilled water and a timer and -3- having a fantastic 'egg knife' as I've been calling it, which I've since learned is properly named a 'topper' which my mother gave me long ago and which rested in a drawer for quite a number of years. If the eggs are cold, they don't cook right. The inner coldness causes the white which is next to the yolk to take too long to cook, and the whole 'balance' of egg cookery is thrown off. If there isn't 'precision' in how hot the egg cooker gets for how long, the egg cookery is less perfect. The same precision could be achieved in other ways such as a pot of boiling water, but then the 'transition' from cooking to being in the egg cup and getting 'topped' would be less scientifically perfect. If I didn't have an egg knife topper, I would never be able to properly remove the top of the egg and I would have to give the whole thing up. Borgh, you are going to have to get straightened out somehow re not only how you behave, but what you are feeling. I wonder how you are going to do that. You are in fact an animal's feelings and behaviors hooked up to a human being's world, but, still.... -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 1 14:32:13 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 1 14:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> If she wants to spend time with >> other friends, male friends especially, and doesn't include you in the >> group, then you're far more attached to her than she is to you. > > Come now! This isn't necessarily true. We get different things from > different people in different relationships. Sure, I've had exclusive > relationships where we tried to be almost everything for one another. That > didn't work nearly as well as having friends and relations outside of the > family does. It's awfully difficult to be everything to someone. Besides, > if it's just dating... Well... Dating... It's not like being married - > it's typically much less permanent. You don't want to abandon all of your > friends and then come crawling back 6 months or more later. It's better > for all parties involved to seek peace and balance. > > At least, that's my take from my new green pants and purple shirt. I'm > working on the balance thing. It's not easy. > > Jealousy... Yeah. Well, it's not an easy one. I'll let you know when > I've resolved it and how I did it! Yeah she just has some guy friends like she has girl friends, that's all. I should be more comfortable with that. From me at privacy.net Tue Dec 1 16:13:03 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Dec 1 16:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: cheap magazines References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD47320C6DDCsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > https://subs.timeinc.net/faf/ns.jhtml?source_id=efef79 > > Just got this offer via email (I subscribe to EW). None of them interest > me > but they're hugely discounted and may be of interest to others. Watch out it may be a short cycle sub. Might also be a fly by night that will take the order tell you it's 3+ months deliver and skip with the cash (BTDT and calling the CC company is useless) From me at privacy.net Tue Dec 1 17:05:28 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Dec 1 17:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hf17gl$5tp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:hf15ua$5ag$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> I'm so old that we had such screw-in incandescent Xmas light bulbs which >> were wired in series, so that if one light was out, they were all out and >> it was a 'puzzle' to find the bad light bulb. >> What I'm not familiar with is the bulb configuration and the hand-painted >> exterior. Ours were 'flame'/bullet shaped and the coloring was inside >> the bulb not out. > > > We had the same kind, they ran hot as hell, no wonder so many dried out > trees caught fire! Whenever I can find replacement bulbs, which is getting > harder with each passing year, I buy a pack of blue bulbs and put them in > my hallway night light -- the blue light is much less garish than the > normal clear bulbs, and it doesn't take any time for my eyes to adjust > from waking up in the darkness of my bedroom to walk to the kitchen with > the pleasantly blue-lit hallway. Unfortunately, the wattage of those blue > bulbs is apparently higher than the standard plug-in night lite can > handle, and as a result the nite light circuit fries after 6-9 months of > use. But what the hell, they only cost a buck apiece, so I always have > spares stored in a kitchen drawer. One blew up in spectacular fashion > years ago and left a scorch mark on the wall above the outlet, but all the > other ones just stopped working with no theatrics. > > >> >> So, yours are older than my days, but I suspect that the base was the >> same. >> > > > Here's a link to photos of the ornaments I got: http://tinyurl.com/yfw9t5y > > And I was wrong about what's painted on them, none of them are really > "Christmasy" in my view, unless there's some connection between Jack > Horner and Xmas that I'm not aware of...... > >> >> ... which for some reason reminds me that I once had a thick greenish >> clear glass insulator that went on old powerlines that weren't carrying >> all that much voltage compared to today. > > We used to find those all the time when hiking when I was a kid, they were > used on electric railroad posts too, and lots of hiking trails either run > along old abandoned railroad beds or cross over them. I never got to one > fast enough (finders keeper, ya know), it was like finding a chunk of > gold -- anyone who had one was automatically elevated to "cool" ;-) Yea we had some (lost to Katrina) as I recall they were not only hand painted but hand made. If you know what you're doing you can replace the OEM bulbs with a modern version that is safe. If you decide to sell let me know as wife and I have been doing a Santa & Mrs. gig (www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) for years and we're working on collecting ole Christmas stuff to complete the project. If you want to convert them I may be able to help with that as well. check out www.santa-america.org for some of what we do. Right now we're looking for two sets (one his one hers) wire frame glasses. I've jeweler friend that will rework them and an ophthalmologists that will make old fashion glass lenses for our RX by hand. If you've not figure it out we're serious about this. From me at privacy.net Tue Dec 1 17:07:46 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Dec 1 17:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD3860E332F3sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hf13b0$4e8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> FP, you're old enough to >> maybe have even owned them, or at least seen them in action -- do you >> know anything about them? >> >> > > LOL (than dirt) Some say my first Christmas was the first Christmas. FWIW my great grand parents had candles on their tree and did not get electricity until the early 50's (they lived way out in the country) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 19:00:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Dec 1 19:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf3bfa$tmf$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: > >> > > So... what did you have for breakfast? I had this: http://www.newenglandnaturalbakers.com/www/bang.html#ORG Outrageous Rasberry, mmm...real ones. > I've recently become a big fan of softboiled eggs, which optimal results > require -1- always keeping a couple of eggs out so that they will be at > room temperature before the cooking begings -2- having a 1950s vintage egg > (or rice or whatever) cooker which has great precision if used with > precisely measured distilled water and a timer and -3- having a fantastic > 'egg knife' as I've been calling it, which I've since learned is properly > named a 'topper' which my mother gave me long ago and which rested in a > drawer for quite a number of years. > > If the eggs are cold, they don't cook right. The inner coldness causes > the white which is next to the yolk to take too long to cook, and the > whole 'balance' of egg cookery is thrown off. > > If there isn't 'precision' in how hot the egg cooker gets for how long, > the egg cookery is less perfect. The same precision could be achieved in > other ways such as a pot of boiling water, but then the 'transition' from > cooking to being in the egg cup and getting 'topped' would be less > scientifically perfect. > > If I didn't have an egg knife topper, I would never be able to properly > remove the top of the egg and I would have to give the whole thing up. Huh. That's way complicated. I don't have egg cups OR a topper, I have a bowl and a butter knife, I scoop them out into the bowl, add a little salt and pepper and some toasty soldiers and that's a nice comforting brekkie. Usually I manage to cook them just right, thickened but still a littly runny yolk, with just a timer. I just throw some vinegar in the water and place them in gently, sometimes they crack sometimes they don't but I ususally don't have room temperature eggs. Mostly I just poach them (again with some vinegar in the water to keep the white together), or I scramble. My BIL has chickens, nothing like fresh almost free range eggs. > > Borgh, you are going to have to get straightened out somehow re not only > how you behave, but what you are feeling. I wonder how you are going to > do that. You are in fact an animal's feelings and behaviors hooked up to > a human being's world, but, still.... Is that reverse anthropomorphism? Animals are not 'jealous' per se, they are territorial and females are usually considered territory, because it perpetuates their genes. Males have even been known to kill the offspring of another male so that they can breed with the female themselves. I would hope Borg wouldn't go that far.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 19:04:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Dec 1 19:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD44F5514F5ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > > Come now! This isn't necessarily true. We get different things from > different people in different relationships. Sure, I've had exclusive > relationships where we tried to be almost everything for one another. > That > didn't work nearly as well as having friends and relations outside of the > family does. It's awfully difficult to be everything to someone. > Besides, > if it's just dating... Well... Dating... It's not like being married - > it's typically much less permanent. You don't want to abandon all of your > friends and then come crawling back 6 months or more later. It's better > for all parties involved to seek peace and balance. Abandoning your life and your friends for a new boyfriend is the worst thing you can do, however you should incorporate that new person into your life, it doesn't seem like that's happening. > > At least, that's my take from my new green pants and purple shirt. I'm > working on the balance thing. It's not easy. Green and purple is one of my favorite combos, those were my stable colors, tack trunks, horse blankets, everything in green and purple. I think it's a very soothing combination, something about opposites that pleases the eye. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 19:07:23 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Dec 1 19:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD49C5BDE486sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Borgholio wrote in > news:hf2nu7$ahb$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I mean I meet someone, date them for awhile, decide to go steady, all >> the while taking the high road by saying "Yeah I don't care if you >> spend time with your male friends, because I trust you." > > Is there some reason why you're not invited to these gatherings? It seems > to me that if you're really 'going steady' that she should want to take > you > along to such events rather than leaving you behind. > > I dont know, it might be better if you did tell her that it makes you a > bit > jealous. If you come off as indifferent, she might think you don't care > that much. Just try to balance it so you don't come off as some crazy > stalker. If some guy I've just been dating for a couple of weeks told me that ANYTHING I did made him jealous? BUH-BYE. Not an appropriate emotion toward someone you barely know. I don't think it's a healthy emotion in a relationship, period. If you have a trusting relationship, then jealousy is irrelevant. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 20:34:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Dec 1 20:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hf4459$6qg$1@news.spamcop.net... > If you know what you're doing you can replace the OEM bulbs with a modern > version that is safe. If you decide to sell let me know as wife and I > have been doing a Santa & Mrs. gig (www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) for > years and we're working on collecting ole Christmas stuff to complete the > project. If you want to convert them I may be able to help with that as > well. Any idea what they might be worth? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 1 21:54:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Dec 1 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD49B5F690BEsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:hf1vg6$ebp$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Want some of mine? I typically have exceptionally vivid dreams almost >> every night/morning, and when they're bad they ruin my whole day! >> >> > > In that case, no thanks! Yeahbutt.....the good ones leave a great feeling that can last for days.....you would not believe the two crazy dreams I had this morning........one good, one not so good.....but damn, was the good one GOOD!!! From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 1 22:07:26 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Dec 1 22:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat! > >> That's nothing short of sadistic. > > "It's for their own good." Why is there no word which means "wronged for their own good"? I bet it would get used a lot, if there was one. The results of such "interventions" range from genocide on down. There is a need. From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 1 22:25:38 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Dec 1 22:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat! >> >>> That's nothing short of sadistic. >> >> "It's for their own good." > > Why is there no word which means "wronged for their own good"? I bet it > would get used a lot, if there was one. The results of such > "interventions" range from genocide on down. There is a need. I suppose the expression "benevolent abuse" is getting close(r). Starkly oxymoronic - it might even be better than a single word in that regard. Words are important when we discuss bad things dispassionately. From me at privacy.net Tue Dec 1 22:58:33 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Dec 1 23:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hf4g6g$b6s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:hf4459$6qg$1@news.spamcop.net... >> If you know what you're doing you can replace the OEM bulbs with a modern >> version that is safe. If you decide to sell let me know as wife and I >> have been doing a Santa & Mrs. gig (www.imagine-that.ws/Santa.jpg) for >> years and we're working on collecting ole Christmas stuff to complete the >> project. If you want to convert them I may be able to help with that as >> well. > > Any idea what they might be worth? Not a clue. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 2 01:43:40 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 2 01:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:hf2nu7$ahb$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I mean I meet someone, date them for awhile, decide to go steady, all >> the while taking the high road by saying "Yeah I don't care if you >> spend time with your male friends, because I trust you." > > Is there some reason why you're not invited to these gatherings? It seems > to me that if you're really 'going steady' that she should want to take you > along to such events rather than leaving you behind. > > I dont know, it might be better if you did tell her that it makes you a bit > jealous. If you come off as indifferent, she might think you don't care > that much. Just try to balance it so you don't come off as some crazy > stalker. > > > Hardly a gathering, just a friend hanging out with a friend. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Dec 2 09:22:55 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Dec 2 09:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > is back on > spirituality. No wonder if you (think you) were severely damaged by attending Sunday school and hearing something or other. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Dec 2 14:26:56 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Charles wrote: > >>> is back on spirituality. >> >> No wonder if you (think you) were severely damaged by attending Sunday >> school and hearing something or other. > > It's not that. Or it is but it isn't. "You've walled off this part of > yourself. You need to get back in touch with it. I think it's there." > Whoa. Well, maybe there is a lot more there than you think. People who grow up in voodoo societies - those in the US or otherwise - are very susceptible to its spells and afflictions. ...if your earliest childhood inculcated some beliefs which are below your (conscious) radar screen in terms of your rational self and then you became (inwardly) 'conflicted' about those (subconscious) beliefs (including deathly fears) to the point you are (almost) 'phobic' (about something or other unstated here) [I hate that phobic term to describe an aversion] -- then maybe she wants to explore some of the (inner) feelings you have that you don't know how to 'admit'/(see for yourself) all by yourself. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 2 16:40:05 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 2 16:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:hf52ao$mqv$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Hardly a gathering, just a friend hanging out with a friend. >> > > For a weekend? It happens? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 2 20:03:20 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 2 20:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my two cats, one mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9CD5C12083054TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> So now you have a mouse, too? Hmm... I know where to let pets loose! >> > > lol yeah, it's getting out of hand. in the space of 3 weeks we've gone from > a one cat family to two cats and a mouse. at this rate we'll be a full > fledged zoo in no time Love your accent, btw. :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 2 21:13:11 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Dec 2 21:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD561D74E798TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! >> Charles wrote: > >>> is back on spirituality. >> >> No wonder if you (think you) were severely damaged by attending Sunday >> school and hearing something or other. > > It's not that. Or it is but it isn't. "You've walled off this part of > yourself. You need to get back in touch with it. I think it's there." > Whoa. You gotta be careful of those shrinky types, they can really mess with your head. And not in a good way.... From user at domain.invalid Wed Dec 2 22:23:57 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Wed Dec 2 22:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9CD5C0B258B63TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat! >> >>> So tell her that you think spirituality is a nonsense. Have you told >>> her about the abusive religious types in your childhood? >> >> I have. She thinks I just pushed my spirituality under the rug. >> > > ok now she's pissing me off. find another therapist! Interesting. "Does it hurt when I prod here?" "Ow, yes!" "Okay, we'll leave that alone and find something you're more comfortable with." Is that how it's supposed to work? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Dec 2 22:51:34 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Dec 2 22:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Sylvesterthekat >> So tell her that you think spirituality is a nonsense. Have you told >> her about the abusive religious types in your childhood? > > I have. She thinks I just pushed my spirituality under the rug. Does this have anything to do with how you feel about dying? (ever). Rather.... I wonder if this (counselor's role/ spirituality issue in your counseling) has anything to do with how you (might) feel about dying. Ever, eventually, whenever is the end of your life, possibly even sooner than you might have ever thought about (before that person died). For some value of 'feel', including fear and its relatives. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Thu Dec 3 01:20:12 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Dec 3 01:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/02/2009 11:00 AM, Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:hf3bfa$tmf$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> >> >> So... what did you have for breakfast? > > I had this: > http://www.newenglandnaturalbakers.com/www/bang.html#ORG > Outrageous Rasberry, mmm...real ones. Nothing beats my morning porridge. Some cinnamon and honey on top, yum, keeps me going until lunch. > vinegar in the water to keep the white together), or I scramble. My BIL has > chickens, nothing like fresh almost free range eggs. I guess it is allowed here to have up to 4 chickens in your backyard. Some friends have them and they get some nice fresh eggs from them. Except recently, the chickens seem to be eating the eggs as soon as they lay them. Maybe I could have some too, but the garden is more than enough work for now. I might have to work up to chickens. > Is that reverse anthropomorphism? Animals are not 'jealous' per se, they > are territorial and females are usually considered territory, because it > perpetuates their genes. Males have even been known to kill the offspring > of another male so that they can breed with the female themselves. I would > hope Borg wouldn't go that far.... I though Borg was just madly in love like a few months ago. It doesn't seem to be a very far trip from dating to being a little bit obsessive. You know, it has to be a two way thing, you can't just get somebody to feel the same way about you by will alone. I guess in some ways, jealous isn't exactly it, it is more like being crushed by different expectations/perceptions of a relationship. It you can't trust somebody to hang out with their friends, then it isn't the same relationship you think it is. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 3 06:46:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 3 06:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:hf7lau$lat$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Nothing beats my morning porridge. Some cinnamon and honey on top, yum, > keeps me going until lunch. By porridge you mean steel cut oats? I eat those in the winter, mixed with oat bran for healthy fiber. I like cooked oatmeal, that instant crap or rolled oats doesn't do it for me, I like the toothsome chew of nice steel cut oats. With some walnuts and a dab of maple syrup. MMMM. It's been unseasonably warm here this fall, so I've been eating cold cereal. For now. > > I guess it is allowed here to have up to 4 chickens in your backyard. Some > friends have them and they get some nice fresh eggs from them. Except > recently, the chickens seem to be eating the eggs as soon as they lay > them. Maybe I could have some too, but the garden is more than enough work > for now. I might have to work up to chickens. Man, I would love that, but I would want to know everything about keeping them healthy beforehand, they can get some odd diseases and problems. It would be a chicken obsession. The perfect diet, the perfect house. And I want colored eggs too, I want some blue ones, because they're pretty. > > I though Borg was just madly in love like a few months ago. It doesn't > seem to be a very far trip from dating to being a little bit obsessive. > You know, it has to be a two way thing, you can't just get somebody to > feel the same way about you by will alone. I guess in some ways, jealous > isn't exactly it, it is more like being crushed by different > expectations/perceptions of a relationship. It you can't trust somebody to > hang out with their friends, then it isn't the same relationship you think > it is. ITA...obesessive, controlling, jealous behavior isn't part of a healthy relationship, usually it's a very one sided one. So Kerry Mean, I've missed seeing your photos from England, is there a photo journal from Oz? I've lost touch with things..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 3 06:48:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 3 06:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf7cke$i5i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Does this have anything to do with how you feel about dying? (ever). > > > > Rather.... I wonder if this (counselor's role/ spirituality issue in > your counseling) has anything to do with how you (might) feel about > dying. Ever, eventually, whenever is the end of your life, possibly > even sooner than you might have ever thought about (before that person > died). > > For some value of 'feel', including fear and its relatives. She seems to want him to have some kind of belief system that reconciles with hers, or at least that she can understand. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Dec 3 07:35:14 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Dec 3 07:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" > She seems to want him to have some kind of belief system that reconciles > with hers, or at least that she can understand. Where did you see Chas say that she said that (what you said after 'seems to want')? I only recall... Charles wrote: > But my therapist wants me to get in touch with my spiritual > side. ... and similars. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Thu Dec 3 10:08:59 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Dec 3 10:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was Farelf! > >> Interesting. "Does it hurt when I prod here?" >> "Ow, yes!" >> "Okay, we'll leave that alone and find something you're more comfortable >> with." >> >> Is that how it's supposed to work? > > Sounds good to me! Haw! Well, you're the 'consumer', that counts. But I suspect a slightly different paradigm might be more productive. Whatever, you're the driver. From user at domain.invalid Thu Dec 3 10:10:42 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Dec 3 10:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Lying on the floor. Please don't send pictures. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 3 17:54:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 3 17:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD683023BF8ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's frowned on to post those here and it does't look like you're using a > real address. But, hey, I could do ascii art of my zoloft, or something, > maybe. Did you do lots and lots of research on zoloft before you took it? Just asking...no, I am not Tom Cruise... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 3 17:56:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 3 18:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:hf8b9q$urq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> "Mike Easter" > >> She seems to want him to have some kind of belief system that > reconciles >> with hers, or at least that she can understand. > > Where did you see Chas say that she said that (what you said after > 'seems to want')? > > I only recall... > > Charles wrote: >> But my therapist wants me to get in touch with my spiritual >> side. > > ... and similars. He didn't say it, but she asked about it, and then keeps asking about it, even when he answered. Obviously she has an answer in mind that he hasn't given her yet. Doesn't mean his answer is wrong, but why else would she keep asking about it? Does someone HAVE to have a 'spiritual side' anyway? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Dec 3 18:14:50 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Dec 3 18:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" > He didn't say it, but she asked about it, and then keeps asking about > it, even when he answered. I don't know how you would know /how/ he answered. I don't. > Obviously she has an answer in mind that he > hasn't given her yet. Doesn't mean his answer is wrong, but why else > would she keep asking about it? Does someone HAVE to have a 'spiritual > side' anyway? We never did comprehensively define spirituality; but the significant wiki section on 'defining' spirituality was mentioned. It seems that many members of this group aren't particularly 'religious', but in spite of that, it also seems that there is some kind of assumption that the therapist might be (religious whatever that means). What if we assume that she is only as religious as the average participant (not counting lurkers) in this group is religious. Then what do we get? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Dec 3 19:14:57 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Dec 3 19:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my two cats, one mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:hf72oi$eno$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Love your accent, btw. :-P >> > > aha, you noticed me scolding the beasts ;o) Yeah and commenting on that "poor creature" :) From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Dec 3 20:07:55 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Dec 3 20:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my two cats, one mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in news:hf9k9o$b1b$2 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> Yeah and commenting on that "poor creature" :) >> > > poor creature is now ensconced in a little hutch in my den, makes forays > out of his nest to his food bowl and is otherwise not visible! some pet! > but the option was to leave it to certain death and i couldn't do that. > i'll have to put it in the hamster ball for a bit of a hoot. apparently you > can get 'hamtrack' track for the ball to roll around. that cracked me up My sister used to have hamsters, and we had a thing called a Habitrail. http://www.habitrail.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 3 20:37:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 3 20:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my two cats, one mouse References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD6A1434124Fsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Borgholio wrote in > news:hf72oi$eno$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> >> Love your accent, btw. :-P >> > > aha, you noticed me scolding the beasts ;o) 'orrible beasts! :D From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 3 22:57:58 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 3 23:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD6A1AF79B6Esylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > news:Xns9CD65C1BE4BC7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > >> Lying on the floor. >> > > whoa dude... do we want any more info? Reminds me of a Jonny Carson punch line ".... lieing like a rug" From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Dec 3 23:23:15 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 3 23:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > Charles wrote: > > > It's frowned on to post those here and it does't look like you're using a > > real address. But, hey, I could do ascii art of my zoloft, or something, > > maybe. > > Did you do lots and lots of research on zoloft before you took it? Just > asking...no, I am not Tom Cruise... Riiiight. Because a seriously depressed person has lots and lots of energy to do lots and lots of research. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Religion ... the only winning move is not to play! From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 15:46:50 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris Willoughby) Date: Fri Dec 4 15:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: my two cats, one mouse References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD59265C513Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFvcG4Cemsc poor kitties.. no snack for them! ;) You ruined their fun.. hehehe From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Fri Dec 4 17:41:57 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Dec 4 17:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/03/2009 10:46 PM, Heidi wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:hf7lau$lat$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Nothing beats my morning porridge. Some cinnamon and honey on top, yum, >> keeps me going until lunch. > > By porridge you mean steel cut oats? I eat those in the winter, mixed with > oat bran for healthy fiber. I like cooked oatmeal, that instant crap or > rolled oats doesn't do it for me, I like the toothsome chew of nice steel > cut oats. With some walnuts and a dab of maple syrup. MMMM. It's been > unseasonably warm here this fall, so I've been eating cold cereal. For now. I'm very particular about my porridge. I don't think I've seen steel cut around much. At least I've tried every type I've seen. Most of them are pretty mushy. There was one in the UK that Sainsburys sold that was really great, pretty thick, got almost pretty chewy when you cooked it and had like a sweet glaze on top of the pot. I'm still on a quest to find something that good. But I think as long as the rolled oats still have the bran in them (seems lots of rolled take it out), they work pretty well. So, I use the best I can find, mix it all up the night before and cook it over a super low flame the next morning. Even though the summer. I think I've kind of gone off cold cereal in the last few years. > Man, I would love that, but I would want to know everything about keeping > them healthy beforehand, they can get some odd diseases and problems. It > would be a chicken obsession. The perfect diet, the perfect house. And I > want colored eggs too, I want some blue ones, because they're pretty. It does seem like a lot to take on. Of different animals, they seem like they don't need a huge amount of attention, but still enough to need to keep on top of things. I know my friend had one of the chickens getting pecked by the other ones and they had to intervene before it got killed by them. The perfect house seems to be any old bits of things you find in a scrapyard, stuck together in some way. The perfect feed seems to be any old food that doesn't go into the compost bin. > ITA...obesessive, controlling, jealous behavior isn't part of a healthy > relationship, usually it's a very one sided one. > > So Kerry Mean, I've missed seeing your photos from England, is there a photo > journal from Oz? I've lost touch with things..... Not so many photos recently. I haven't taken a whole lot, mostly just of the garden. And I'm still recovering from a hard drive crash recently. It has taken a long time to rebuild a system the way I like it. I just haven't gotten to organizing a lot of pictures either. I still have 5 months of travel pictures that I haven't gotten through yet. It seems like I had more time when I was working, or at least my time was more structured. Or I guess I had more time when I had a job where I could spend 30 minutes a day working on my personal life stuff, the last job though was too crazy to do any of that. And now I'm just trying to figure out what to do with my life. I really feel done with writing software. I'm looking to go back to school, get a degree in sustainability of some sort (energy, water, horticulture, etc). I just can't take a job where I don't want to get up in the morning anymore. But that's taken a lot of time and research. Most of the pictures end up on facebook now. What do I have: Garden - http://tinyurl.com/yga5pmj Weekend in the Grampians - http://tinyurl.com/yjvabvr House - http://tinyurl.com/ygz8xvo Another weekend - http://tinyurl.com/yfgfvos Birds - http://tinyurl.com/yz2a8xr Melbourne - http://tinyurl.com/yhg4ezs Some bands - http://tinyurl.com/yfavjou Old Wirral pictures - http://tinyurl.com/yg97pkk From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 21:16:36 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 4 21:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD561D74E798TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! >> Charles wrote: > >>> is back on spirituality. >> >> No wonder if you (think you) were severely damaged by attending Sunday >> school and hearing something or other. > > It's not that. Or it is but it isn't. "You've walled off this part of > yourself. You need to get back in touch with it. I think it's there." > Whoa. > It *is* there....you've just trained yourself to forget or bury the bad memories, just like I did. A good therapist should be able to coax them out of your subconcious memory using various techniques. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 21:34:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 4 21:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hf9fnb$bkd$1@news.spamcop.net... Does someone HAVE to have a 'spiritual side' anyway? > I've come to believe that we all have one, regardless of how hard we try to suppress it.....and this is coming from a one of the most "used to be" agnostic/atheist guys you'll ever meet or know. But like I've said before, spirituality and religion have almost nothing in common. To me, spirituality is more like being able to sense the energy enamating you and from others, even energy from those no longer alive.....it's very real if you allow yourself to "feel" it. For a long time I believed that those sensations were created by my own brain, being the skeptic that I've always been, but over the last 5-10 years I've discovered that there's a lot more to it than simple rationalization of strange feelings and sensations. For instance, I've learned how to detect when my lymphatic system is in disarray, and feeding this information to my various health care providers short-cuts them having to take the time to discover it on their own. Some of you may laugh or ridicule me for my current beliefs, but I know what I know....and for me to turn 180 degrees about the issue(s) under discussion should be proof enough. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 21:41:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 4 21:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD6C0C037FCATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... I mean, what will my new normal look like - since I'm NO > WAY IN HELL going back to the old normal. Where am I now? What am I now? > I'm fucking lost! > Chill a bit...it take a couple weeks for something like Zoloft to build up to a constant level in your bloodstream to have it's proper effect. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 21:50:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 4 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I'll soon be naked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CD6C1B6BA33CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It is Weezer. Alas, today it sure felt like I had come undone. Now... > Now I'm on zoloft. And having some kind of reaction. This is probably > not > good. Hmm. Anyway, it's making me hyper. Hard to wallow when you're > hyper! BTDT...both with my BP/Lyme med Benicar and with the low dose of hydrocortisone I'm currently on (10 mg/day). Taking the second 5 mg of hydro after 6:30 pm or so means no sleep that night, and taking the Benicar before bedtime means a racing heartbeat and no sleep too. You need to learn how/when to take the Zoloft to minimize the negative side effects, it's a process everyone has to go thru when they start taking a relatively powerful new med. And I have loads of experience when it comes to that! Sheesh, this new antibiotic I'm on for Lyme disease has really gotten me into terrible state, the herxheimer reactions are killing me right now....at least that's a sign that it's working..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 4 21:59:20 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 4 22:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hf4b3r$9c2$1@news.spamcop.net... > If some guy I've just been dating for a couple of weeks told me that > ANYTHING I did made him jealous? BUH-BYE. Not an appropriate emotion > toward someone you barely know. I don't think it's a healthy emotion in a > relationship, period. If you have a trusting relationship, then jealousy > is irrelevant. Well hang on there a second....in part I totally agree with you, but Borg says she's going away on weekend trips with these guy friends? What are the sleeping arrangements? Who's paying for the lodging? How long have they been such close friends, and has she explained it to Borg? There's smoke from what I can see......and BTW, you can't possibly have a "trusting relationship" with someone you barely know. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Dec 5 01:46:18 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Dec 5 01:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > and for me to turn 180 degrees about the issue(s) under > discussion should be proof enough. For you to turn 180 degrees about the issues under discussion are apparently proof enough to you that you have turned 180 degrees about the issues under discussion. For you to turn 180 degrees about anything isn't 'proof enough' of anything to anyone else. One must be a little more cautious about how they throw around a term/phrase like '(should be) proof enough', especially in discussions of such as spirituality and related. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 5 09:35:16 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Dec 5 09:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hf13b0$4e8$1@news.spamcop.net... > On Thanksgiving, my Dad brought down boxes of old and unsused Xmas > decorations for us "kids" to go thru, we all took what we wanted and he > threw out the rest. I scored some very weird antique Xmas tree round light > bulb decorations that used to belong to my Grandma -- they have raised > features on them (not a smooth bulb), they look like they were hand > painted with various holiday themes (most likely with lead paint), and > they have a very tiny male screw-in light bulb connector on the bottom. > > My guess is that they were used on a string that held powered female light > sockets wired in series, and you could pick and choose where to place each > decorative bulb by screwing them into the light string once it was on the > tree. I'm positive that at some point in the 1900's (maybe 1950 or so?) > they were banned because of the electricution and fire hazard. The female > sockets would have been large enough for tiny fingers and/or pine needles > to get inside very easily, causing injury or fire. Someday I'll get around > to looking them up on Ebay to see exactly what they are and what they're > worth, if I figure out the correct search term. > > Has anyone here ever seen or heard of such decorative light bulbs and can > point me in the right search direction? FP, you're old enough to maybe > have even owned them, or at least seen them in action -- do you know > anything about them? > Check for a stamp on the metal at the base, you may need a maginifying glass. But that should indicate one of the voltage or power from which you can deduce the voltage by measuring resistance. I remember early series wired luight strings and also parallel wired strings with small roughly 3/8ths" or so sockets. Strings with such sockets are still available in Europe and here in specialty shops (it's been some time sice I checked). I have a 16 lamp series string like that, but my lights look like 6" tapers. Since replacement bulbs are hard to find, I have it wired through a 2 position dimmer switch when I put these "candles" on my tree. The ones you describe were made in England I think, mine are German. Are you looking for the string? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 5 18:22:38 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Dec 5 18:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What the heck is "spirituality"? And why do we need it? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hfcgr9$enc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:hf9fnb$bkd$1@news.spamcop.net... > Does someone HAVE to have a 'spiritual side' anyway? > > Some of you may laugh or ridicule me for my current beliefs, but I know > what I know....and for me to turn 180 degrees about the issue(s) under > discussion should be proof enough. That was a rhetorical question, BTW. I'd like to know the therapist's definition of 'spiritual', and whether or not it involves religion. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 5 18:40:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Dec 5 18:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] It's SNOWING! Message-ID: Yesterday after my chiropractic appt. I came home, looked at the sky, and could tell some weather was coming, rain I thought, since the temp was about 45 F. So I took my little battery powered leaf blower and cleaned up the scattered leaves that my neighbor kid missed while cleaning up my yard last Sunday, and also cleaned up the hill behind my house where I'd planted grass seed on about 70% of the area. The grass had grown in beautifully, and I didn't want it smothered all winter by huge wet oak leaves. While leaf blowing the side yard, I was very dismayed to discover that the seed I had planted there at the same time I did the hill had _not_ grown in well, and as a result the side yard was half mud and half grass. So I raked the bare spots to stir up the soil and scattered the remaining grass seed, thinking "how lucky for me, it's probably going to rain for a couple days and the seed will germinate fast without me having to water it". Well, I was right about the precipitation, but very wrong about what kind! Laying in bed this morning I could here the occasional drips of moisture dropping off the shed roof, and felt quite self-satisfied for accurately predicting the weather without going to weather.com. When I finally dragged my tired ass out of bed around 1:30 this afternoon (last night was monocycline night, still herxing the day after I take it), I went to the kitchen to take my morning pills, looked out the window, and was truly shocked to see a veritable blizzard going on outside! Around 4:30 it had finally stopped snowing, so I went out to shovel off my car and deck before the stuff froze overnite (it was exactly 32 F outside at the time)-- the concrete driveway and front steps were just wet, they had retained enough heat from the days before to melt the snow. But boyo, was the stuff that piled up on the deck and car HEAVY -- it was very, very wet, almost slush, nearly 3" deep. I was very careful to use proper body ergonomics while cleaning up, and luckily I didn't aggravate my neck or back just one day after getting a lot of relief from the chiropractic adjustments. Unfortunately my new tires had to be back ordered and won't arrive until the middle of next week. Hopefully the weather will warm up and the local roads won't freeze, because if they do I am grounded.....and it just started snowing again, dammit....I DON'T WANT WINTER TO COME YET!!!! From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 5 22:09:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Dec 5 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Antique Xmas tree decoration mystery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:hfdr39$7tv$1@news.spamcop.net... The ones you describe were made in England I think, mine are German. > Are you looking for the string? Not really, just trying to find out as much info as I can about them. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 5 22:37:28 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Dec 5 22:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9CD8C2857FEA9sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Shoulda done what Heidi did and get your snow tires fitted before the > first snow hit! Or aren't they snow tires? Just balding regular ones? Nobody really fits on a set of winter "snow tires" anymore, especially for high performance sedans. It's too expensive unless you have stamped steel wheels with hubcaps, not custom OEM rims, let alone finding the storage space for the winter tire set. We used to do that when I was a kid, but back then you were allowed to use studded tires, which made a gigantic difference in the winter. They've been banned for many years now in the US because they destroyed roads in dry conditions. My old tires are rated "M+S", which means mud and snow, i.e. All-Weather Tires (or tyres to you ;-) But all of the customized rubber across the width of the tire has been scrubbed off, so I'm left with the hard base rubber compound, which absolutely sucks in the rain, lateral grip-wise. They still have enough tread depth to channel water away from the ground patch, so at least I'm not hydroplaning yet. The new tires I'm waiting on have three different rubber compounds and tread patterns on the inside, middle, and outside, each for a different condition, be it snow, rain, or dry. One cool thing about them is they have the letters "DWS" stamped onto the tread, and as the tire wears the letters start to disappear. So when the "S" is no longer visible that means the rubber compound added for grip in the snow has worn off of the tire, when the "W" disappears the performance in the wet is compromised, etc. They're a brand new tire design issued this year, so there's no historical data on how long they'll last, but they're waranteed for 50k miles, so I expect that they're the last set of tires I'll be buying for this car before I get rid of it. I'm paying off the car loan on Monday so I'll own it free and clear. Edmunds says it's worth around 1/2 the original dealer price (I've only put 40k miles on it in more than 4 years because of my illness), so if push comes to shove I could sell it and buy a pretty decent car without having to lay out any cash. Hopefully it won't come to that though! Won't ever be buying another new TL though (currently own a 2005 RL), I saw one yesterday and was disgusted by how Acura has bastardized the great 2003-2007 design. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Dec 6 00:15:22 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Dec 6 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Hubby in England and I'm bored! Where I come from, we call that 'horny' -- all that stuff about meaningful palaver with your significant other is just some kind of intellectual foreplay. :-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Dec 6 10:33:50 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Dec 6 10:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> Hubby in England and I'm bored! > > Where I come from, we call that 'horny' -- all that stuff about > meaningful palaver with your significant other is just some kind of > intellectual foreplay. > > :-) > > > Yes but Skat is English, she has to at least pretend to be more civilized than the rest of us. :-P From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Sun Dec 6 15:40:22 2009 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Dec 6 15:45:07 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/07/2009 02:33 AM, Borgholio wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> Hubby in England and I'm bored! >> >> Where I come from, we call that 'horny' -- all that stuff about >> meaningful palaver with your significant other is just some kind of >> intellectual foreplay. > > Yes but Skat is English, she has to at least pretend to be more > civilized than the rest of us. :-P I guess you have never been in Newcastle on a Friday/Saturday night during the height of hen/stag party (bachelor parties) season. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 6 16:22:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Dec 6 16:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! And my Furnace is BROKEN!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hff8to$phb$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm paying off the car loan on Monday so I'll own it free and clear. SHIT!!! SHITFUCK! SHITFUCKMOTHERFUCKER! Felt like crap this morning and slept in until 1:30 again. Got out of bed (naked, like usual) and started shivering. Looked at the electronic thermometer on my dresser and saw that it was 62 F in my bedroom! But the furnace blower was running?!? Got dressed, checked the thermostat, turned up the heat setting, nothing. Went downstairs and opened up the furnace, the blower motor was hot as hell but the burners were out. Got out the user's "manuals" for the furnace, it said to reset the power breaker, did that, went up stairs, now the brand new BGE installed thermostat screen was totally blank. Went back downstairs, got out my voltmeter to check the power terminals inside the furnace that connect to the thermostat, and the second I touch the first two terminals with the VM leads the blower restarted! Went upstairs and now the thermostat screen is lit, but it's reset (from flipping the breaker) and asking for current time and date. I just click ok ok ok to get to the main screen, turn up the heat setting, go downstairs to check the furnace, and now I smell gas! I shut off the main gas feed and killed the power to the furnace, then got on the phone with BGE to have a thermostat tech come out and have a gas guy come out to check for the souce of the gas. Long story short: thermostat is working the way it should, the ignitor in the furnace is controlled by the furnace, not the thermostat, and there's no gas leak. What apparently happened is that my ignitor, a simple resistor that probably costs about $3, is fried -- I either get an open circuit or 0.4 ohm reading depending on what scale I have the VM on. Since the thing is supposed to glow red hot to ignite the gas in the burners, and I'm guessing the real resistance is WAY higher than 0.4 ohms! When the thermostat told the furnace to start, it opened the gas solenoid valve, but since the igniter is fried there was nothing to burn off the gas, ergo me smelling the "leak". So now I have to do a mad google search for the igniter part number and pray that I can go to Home Depot and buy one, else I face an emergency weekend service call that will cost hundreds of dollars just to replace a FUCKING THREE DOLLAR PART! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 6 16:46:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Dec 6 16:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! And my Furnace is BROKEN!!! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hfh7bl$fl0$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> So now I have to do a mad google search for the igniter part number and >> pray > that I can go to Home Depot and buy one, else I face an emergency weekend > service call that will cost hundreds of dollars just to replace a FUCKING > THREE DOLLAR PART! It just cost Mr. Rent $97 to do the same thing for my furnace, which is only a couple of years old.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 6 19:27:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Dec 6 19:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: On jealousy References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hfcia8$f8f$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well hang on there a second....in part I totally agree with you, but Borg > says she's going away on weekend trips with these guy friends? What are > the sleeping arrangements? Who's paying for the lodging? How long have > they been such close friends, and has she explained it to Borg? There's > smoke from what I can see......and BTW, you can't possibly have a > "trusting relationship" with someone you barely know. None of those questions are relevant, if she is still choosing to go away without her new "boyfriend", sans explanation of the details, then it's pretty clear "she's just not that into you", or at best it's perfectly innocent and he has no reason to worry. Either way, if she's choosing to exclude him and doesn't give details, then there's a reason for it, and it means that they are not on the same page. Either he has unrealistic expectations of a relatively new relationship, or she isn't as serious as he is or is maybe put off by the posessiveness. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 6 23:18:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Dec 6 23:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's SNOWING! And my Furnace is BROKEN!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hfh8o1$g2i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:hfh7bl$fl0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> So now I have to do a mad google search for the igniter part number and >>> pray >> that I can go to Home Depot and buy one, else I face an emergency weekend >> service call that will cost hundreds of dollars just to replace a FUCKING >> THREE DOLLAR PART! > > It just cost Mr. Rent $97 to do the same thing for my furnace, which is > only a couple of years old.... Turns out hardware stores don't carry furnace repair parts, probably because the appliance manuals stop at the point where "if this doesn't work, call a qualified service professional" so stupid people don't try to replace high voltage parts without doing something as simple as killing the power to the furnace first. So I'm without heat tonight, and will be using a small space heater in my bedroom to keep the room above 60 F, hopefully. After googling for the furnace replacement parts (much more difficult than anyone here probably realizes), I drove to Lowes to see if they had any of the parts I needed. I had a "smack the forehead" moment on the way there, when I realized that the BGE gas leak checker was incorrect about what he said about that thing that looks like a resistor that was supposed to be "glowing red". I had discovered that it's actually a high temp cutoff _thermistor_ , not the ignitor source like he told me. Unfortunately, while trying to remove the actual ignitor from the burners, I shattered it when the vise grips slipped -- the bolts holding it in place were so rusted wrenches were just "spinning their wheels" trying to loosen up the bolts. What I figured out (too late) is that the overtemp sensor, a kind of thermostat, had fried (measured as an open circuit) and that was what was preventing the ignitor from getting powered up. I could have just jumpered the two leads and bypassed the overtemp switch temporarily to get the furnace working again until I could replace the sensor at my leisure. But because I shattered the fragile silicon ignitor, I'm stuck until tomorrow when I can hopefully find a shop that will sell me the replacement parts (not a done deal, most places only sell parts to licensed HVAC contractors). The ignitor I broke is going to cost around $30 to replace if I'm lucky, and the thermistor only costs two bucks! It was a really lousy day to be suffering from "brain fog" due to my herxing, I probably could have figured out the real problem before I tried to remove the burners and ignitor before breaking it......damn, it's getting hard to type now, my hands are freezing.....the temp is down to 56 F in the rest of the house, barely holding around 60 F in the bedroom.....I left all the lights in the basement on, plus I plugged in a 1000 watt halogen work lamp down there to provide some more heat (and it puts off gobs of heat!).....the basement is quite toasty now, but unfortunately the heat hasn't migrated upstairs yet......and it might not ever get upstairs due to the lousy basement insulation. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 6 23:25:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Dec 6 23:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Google wave anyone? In-Reply-To: References: