From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 1 05:00:46 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 1 05:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Am I miss reading things or Message-ID: Am I miss reading things or Do the promotional explanations for the bail out seem to have a 419 email scam quality to them? Or is it pure extortion: "Pay us or we'll off the cut little kiddy (aka credit market) ... in front of your kids ... on the six o'clock news ... and you'll lose your job and won't be able to buy a car or a house etc."? Sounds a lot like "Sadam has WMD ..." with a bit of Chicken Little for color. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 1 09:31:41 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gbqukb$o43$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "Mike Easter | | >> If my interpretation of your interpretation is accurate, then I still | >> maintain that you are incorrect. | | > It's an observation nothing more nothing less but to humor you I'll | > check with them the next time we speak but then again I may not. I | > don't really care one way or the other about the determination of their | > actions now or in Nov. | | I don't know whether to be amused/bemused or chagrined that not only | almost all of my republican and democrat friends but also those who post | here seem to see the world thru' red or blue colored glasses. I think I'm | disappointed in your/such perception. | | Both of those/our parties and their/our elected representatives have all | kinds of things wrong with them. How you can buy into/ accept/ a | particular political party's perception/view is beyond me when it is often | so twisted. It seems that in doing so you come so absorbed in your | particular partisan media's/ bloggers'/ columnists'/ perspective of the | other party and its foibles and weaknesses that you can't make your own | judgments based on a broader nonpartisan opinion. | You're only now coming to that realization? WeThePeople have been f*cked since Ike warned of the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex. It will take a LOT more than a few folk tossing yard signs into the ash can to take Texas over to the Obama side in the Electoral College. The Texas legislature has seen to that and DeLay'sw games did not help matters. To me Obama's major appeal is he is not GWB or GWB V3.0 which McCain has clearly become. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Oct 1 11:37:32 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > To me Obama's major appeal is he is not GWB or GWB V3.0 which McCain has > clearly become. I don't know that McCain really is a GWB3, which is a dem perspective, except that he /is/ a republican after all, but I agree that the dems have a huge advantage because gwb is such a total unmitigated disaster -- and I say that from the perspective of one being reluctantly in favor of the Iraq war while realizing that we were going to have a very hard time after the takeover. Perhaps invading Iraq has been the only thing that I agreed with gwb about, so that makes my perspective different than some other anti-Bushies. I think that perhaps the dem 'lesser of two weevils' major appeal to me personally might be the issue of the appointment of Supremes. I'm very very concerned about what kind of Supreme/s the reps including McCain and most certainly Palin, would come up with. One of the dem leaning blogger-types that I like to read is the Votemaster, whose website's function is principally about assessing polls as they evolve, but who has an ongoing running commentary (news from the votemaster) which addressed the supreme issue recently^1. Since the page changes all the time, those particular remarks might not last there very long. Interestingly, the votemaster is actually Alan Tanenbaum, currently living abroad for some years. Tanenbaum is the creator of Minix which is the OS from which Linus Torvalds created Linux. ^1 http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Sep29.html Supreme Court Vacancies Likely in Next Four Years - "It is amazing that the court has gotten so little attention." -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Oct 1 12:05:34 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > shuts-off-access>: comcast cuts NNTP access I don't have anything to say about the comcast/NCMEC issue, but your post gave me occasion to wander around the consumerist site, which led me to a followup to the story of Jet Blue and Marilyn Parver from back in Aug, which had slipped by me. That led me to a site that told the story^1 -- which I found fascinating. Pretty gutsy lady (56 y/o grandmother) to stand her ground against all of that JetBlue and eventually Federal Air Marshall brass. ^1 http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&subsectionID=1&artic leID=16860 or http://snipr.com/3ztma Marilyn Parver got on her flight to McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas like every other passenger. ... Unlike the other passengers on the flight, Parver was led off the plane in handcuffs by law enforcement officials -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Oct 1 12:16:33 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Oct 1 12:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > fascinating. Pretty gutsy lady (56 y/o grandmother) to stand her ground > against all of that JetBlue and eventually Federal Air Marshall brass. > http://snipr.com/3ztma Oops. Wait a minute. I just reread an important part of the article. Where she screwed up didn't even involve a Federal Air Marshall, who wasn't really involved, nor the TSA official. She screwed up when the LVMPD asked her to leave (with her video intact and with her written notice that she was going to be denied future service from JetBlue) and instead of leaving forthwith she wanted everyone's names. Parver then asked for everyone's name, when the officer told her to leave or be arrested, she said. "I said, 'Then arrest me.'" At that point the officer arrested her, -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Oct 1 13:39:41 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Oct 1 13:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> "I said, 'Then arrest me.'" >> >> At that point the officer arrested her, > > This doesn't ring of abuse of authority to you at all? I don't think JetBlue handled the issue well at all, most especially the rep on the ground, who is supposed to be in a better position to deal with problems than the flight crew. Alleging that she was interfering with the crew was total and absolute b*llsh*t. OTOH, on the ground, the LAMPD wants to get the issue all straightened out. JetBlue had done their thing, she still had her camera and its contents, it was time for the issue to be over. The officer is saying, "That's all. (You win, basically.) It's time for you to leave (with your camera and your images you refused to delete for them)." The article didn't describe exactly how many minutes or exchanges took place between her and the officer who just wanted her to leave the area -- but it sounds like she was staying up on her high horse, which I supported right up until the time a police officer tells you you are supposed to leave and you are wanting to do something else before you leave and the officer tells you that if you don't leave the officer is going to arrest you and then you say "Then arrest me. (Because I'm not leaving until I have my way further than just keeping my camera and my images.)" >> Without a citation or arrest made, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police >> Department doesn't have documentation of the incident, officer Jay >> Rivera said. She wore some handcuffs and was transported to the police station and sat on a bench until her husband picked her up. Let's say she was secured and detained and transported. There are some touchy arguments about what 'arrest' means sometimes. I have been secured and detained and transported to a station without being arrested, lucky me. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 1 15:57:38 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Charles wrote: > >> Well... I've sold a house and am looking to buy another. Cash is pretty >> darned liquid - easy to get to. Where would you like me to put it - so >> that I remain liquid enough to purchase a house if I find one that doesn't >> have mold in the attic and radon in the basement? > > Let's say you have $500000 set aside for buying a house and want that > money available. All you have to do to protect yourself under the > current law is have multiple accounts. At the moment, I have 3 accounts > at my main bank and two at another. (Two individual checking, one joint > checking and two savings) I wouldn't even have to open another account > to be sure that money was insured and still liquid. Actually it's $100,000 per depositor, not per account. If you have three accounts at the same bank, then it's still only $100k insured total. If you have three accounts at three banks, then it'd be a total of $300k. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Deposit_Insurance_Corporation http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/insured/ownership.html Since it's $100k per depositor, a joint account will have a $200k insured limit since it's held jointly by two people. But if you have more than 100k in a single bank, you might want to open an account at a totally different bank. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Oct 1 16:11:32 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > Yep. And why exactly do we need the FDIC insurance cap raised to > $250000 per account? Seriously. Who the &*%#* has that kind of cash in a > single account at a bank? How about an IRA? Or as Obama noted today, a small business account? > If I had that kind of cash, it wouldn't be sitting in my > checking/savings account. Of course not - it's not insured over $100K. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Sent via BlackBerry, the miracle device invented by John McCain. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 1 16:08:53 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-E4E6E1.08461701102008@killface.local... | In article , | "Frog Prince" wrote: | | > Sounds a lot like "Sadam has WMD ..." with a bit of Chicken Little for | > color. | | Yep. And why exactly do we need the FDIC insurance cap raised to | $250000 per account? Seriously. Who the &*%#* has that kind of cash in a | single account at a bank? If I had that kind of cash, it wouldn't be | sitting in my checking/savings account. | -- In another life in a world long gone we often had that much and more 'floating around' as we did a good bit of business over the pond. We too would spread the cash around but if we needed to transfer an amount over $100k it was a royal PI*. BTW as it was explained to me if you borrow $250K and it's in an account pending transfer and the bank dumps before the transfer you lose $150K and still owe the $250K but not the $250K debt which you now owe to the FDIC. Same goes for outstanding checks which are covered up to the $100K in total anything over that the payee is SOL. Who then comes looking to you the maker. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 1 16:25:43 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 1 16:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gc05fr$am$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > To me Obama's major appeal is he is not GWB or GWB V3.0 which McCain has | > clearly become. | | I don't know that McCain really is a GWB3, which is a dem perspective, | except that he /is/ a republican after all, but I agree that the dems have | a huge advantage because gwb is such a total unmitigated disaster -- and I | say that from the perspective of one being reluctantly in favor of the | Iraq war while realizing that we were going to have a very hard time after | the takeover. Perhaps invading Iraq has been the only thing that I agreed | with gwb about, so that makes my perspective different than some other | anti-Bushies. Having lived though the political debacle of the NAM era I have no truck with the invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan is another matter but even there Bush and Co. dropped the ball, transferring resources prematurely to Iraq. I supported McCain in his first run but since that time he has become more and more GWB V3.0 and I have seen nothing of late to change that view. I was a hard Republican up until GWB (who I voted for in his frist run for TX Gov but not his second base on his performance in his first term) I'm not that much into Obama either but I see him as the ONLY alternative to more of the same we've had from Bush. FWIW McCain has shown me that my first support of him was based on my misunderstanding the man. | I think that perhaps the dem 'lesser of two weevils' major appeal to me | personally might be the issue of the appointment of Supremes. I'm very | very concerned about what kind of Supreme/s the reps including McCain and | most certainly Palin, would come up with. I am likewise very concerned about who McCain and Palin would appoint. One the things I can't seem to get across to my kids is that you can't ligislate morality and you d*amed sure can't make religion mandatroy muchless set a prefreed faith as a function of government. As I recall we fought a war over the matter. Bush has turned his Faith Base Iniatives into another political patranage program. The main test for grants seems to be how much you and yours support Bush and Co. | One of the dem leaning blogger-types that I like to read is the | Votemaster, whose website's function is principally about assessing polls | as they evolve, but who has an ongoing running commentary (news from the | votemaster) which addressed the supreme issue recently^1. Since the page | changes all the time, those particular remarks might not last there very | long. | | Interestingly, the votemaster is actually Alan Tanenbaum, currently living | abroad for some years. Tanenbaum is the creator of Minix which is the OS | from which Linus Torvalds created Linux. | | ^1 http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/Sep29.html Supreme | Court Vacancies Likely in Next Four Years - "It is amazing that the court | has gotten so little attention." From joegill at removethis Wed Oct 1 18:25:29 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... Message-ID: As many have noticed, I am not exactly liberal, and have supported the current administration.... But this blog posting really opened my eyes a bit.... http://oneoarinthewater.blogspot.com:80/2008/10/alert-active-duty-to-patrol-domestic-us.html -or- http://tinyurl.com/4jxnzp "...ask yourself why do we need to have combat harden active duty soldiers patrolling the street of these United States; are we, the people, the enemy now? This article, then points to http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Oct 1 18:36:59 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/4jxnzp > > "...ask yourself why do we need to have combat harden active duty > soldiers patrolling the street of these United States; are we, the > people, the enemy now? > http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ It looks to me like the 1st BCT is going to be stationed at home, ergo with their families, able to go to school -- and then the idea would be that if they needed to do something special because of a disaster, they would be called away from 'home duty' temporarily to do that. It certainly beats the preceding duty "The 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys." I don't see them on US 'street patrol'. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 1 19:17:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B288366C13DBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> Both of those/our parties and their/our elected representatives have >> all kinds of things wrong with them. > > No, only the other guys are wrong. > > Of course, Obama looks like he has as much experience as Palin (not one > bit). Good thing he's got Biden on his team to throw a bit more of that > in > there. Obama at least has a grasp on the economy, foreign affairs, government (as opposed the famous quote "someone needs to tell me what the Vice President does all day"), he is intelligent, articulate, seems to have good judgment, and does not appear to have his head up his ass. Palin, on the other hand, not so much - she has been proven to be a pathological liar, over and over and over, who seems to take great joy at babbling nonsense without actually answering a direct question. She might be a clever and ruthless politician, but she is dumber than a box of rocks. That isn't someone I want next to the big chair, anymore than I want that spineless turd McCain sitting in it. From spam at zootal.nospam.com Wed Oct 1 21:31:14 2008 From: spam at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Wed Oct 1 21:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: I don't see anything about this that "destroys the US Constitution...". I think the article is somewhat biased :-) However, I don't see anything wrong with that. If there is natural or manmade emergency, why not have highly trained "combat hardened" troops in the street? Who better to have out there to protect the populace and our property? I think this is a great idea. "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:gc0tc8$8iu$1@news.spamcop.net... > As many have noticed, I am not exactly liberal, and have supported the > current administration.... > > But this blog posting really opened my eyes a bit.... > > http://oneoarinthewater.blogspot.com:80/2008/10/alert-active-duty-to-patrol-domestic-us.html > -or- > http://tinyurl.com/4jxnzp > > "...ask yourself why do we need to have combat harden active duty soldiers > patrolling the street of these United States; are we, the people, the > enemy now? > > This article, then points to > http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ > > From loafman at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 09:53:56 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:31:14 -0700, Zootal wrote: > I don't see anything about this that "destroys the US Constitution...". > I think the article is somewhat biased :-) > > However, I don't see anything wrong with that. If there is natural or > manmade emergency, why not have highly trained "combat hardened" troops > in the street? Who better to have out there to protect the populace and > our property? That's what the National Guard is for. You use combat hardened troops when you want to enforce martial law after a coup. I really don't want that possibility with The Shrub and The Penguin in charge. ...Ken From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 12:18:37 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > Zootal wrote: >> If there is natural or manmade emergency, why not have highly trained "combat hardened" troops in the street? Who better to have out there to protect the populace and our property? > That's what the National Guard is for. You use combat hardened troops > when you want to enforce martial law after a coup. I really don't want > that possibility with The Shrub and The Penguin in charge. Well, they successfully raided the Treasury. From spam at zootal.nospam.com Thu Oct 2 12:26:53 2008 From: spam at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Thu Oct 2 12:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:gc2jpk$v1n$1@news.spamcop.net... > On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:31:14 -0700, Zootal wrote: > >> I don't see anything about this that "destroys the US Constitution...". >> I think the article is somewhat biased :-) >> >> However, I don't see anything wrong with that. If there is natural or >> manmade emergency, why not have highly trained "combat hardened" troops >> in the street? Who better to have out there to protect the populace and >> our property? > > That's what the National Guard is for. You use combat hardened troops > when you want to enforce martial law after a coup. I really don't want > that possibility with The Shrub and The Penguin in charge. > > ...Ken Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have given up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives - they want to throw out our two party system and take total control. Maybe the conservatives should stage a coup and get rid of the liberals now while the Shrub is in charge? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 13:09:16 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have given > up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives Who is not working with whom? "McCain did not arrive in time for the debate and, when he entered the chamber, walked past Obama without acknowledging him. Several minutes later, Obama strode to where McCain was talking with his friend Joe Lieberman, independent-Conn., and held out his hand in greeting. McCain gave a curt, frigid shake back and instantly looked away. In the clubby world of the Senate, it was an unmistakable rebuff." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/02/MNFN139LF0.DTL From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 13:33:20 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Both of those/our parties and their/our elected representatives have all > kinds of things wrong with them. Here's a perfect example: http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 From spam at zootal.nospam.com Thu Oct 2 13:40:41 2008 From: spam at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc2v7s$kko$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zootal wrote: >> Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have >> given up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives > > Who is not working with whom? > > "McCain did not arrive in time for the debate and, when he entered the > chamber, walked past Obama without acknowledging him. Several minutes > later, Obama strode to where McCain was talking with his friend Joe > Lieberman, independent-Conn., and held out his hand in greeting. McCain > gave a curt, frigid shake back and instantly looked away. In the clubby > world of the Senate, it was an unmistakable rebuff." > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/02/MNFN139LF0.DTL Articles from the SF Chronicle are hardly what I would call unbiased objective reporting....and even if their portrayal is accurate, that has what to do with what I said? McCain telling Obama to piss off is hardly representative of the efforts of conservatives to work with liberals. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 13:58:10 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Tim McGraw: >> "McCain did not arrive in time for the debate and, when he entered the >> chamber, walked past Obama without acknowledging him. Several minutes >> later, Obama strode to where McCain was talking with his friend Joe >> Lieberman, independent-Conn., and held out his hand in greeting. McCain >> gave a curt, frigid shake back and instantly looked away. In the clubby >> world of the Senate, it was an unmistakable rebuff." >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/02/MNFN139LF0.DTL > > Articles from the SF Chronicle are hardly what I would call unbiased > objective reporting....and even if their portrayal is accurate, that has > what to do with what I said? That you are a liar and a troll? I wonder if you can name the newspapers you read. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Oct 2 14:02:35 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Both of those/our parties and their/our elected representatives have >> all kinds of things wrong with them. > > Here's a perfect example: > http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 Here's a perfect example of what? I said our parties and our elected representatives have all kinds of things wrong with them and you give a link to a sign made by an apparently redneck central Floridian which sez "Obama - half-breed Muslin" The sign cited doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with my statement. But as an aside, as you know, I've tried to research Obama's African racial and Muslim heritage, but I haven't come up with any more useful information than I've posted earlier. Obama's forbears on his father's side were some kind of black Africans, which Africa is a 'hotbed' of racial and religious intolerances and historical Arab slave traders. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa Racism in Africa - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade Arab slave trade ... not that there's anything wrong with having a bad heritage. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 14:09:29 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> Both of those/our parties and their/our elected representatives have >>> all kinds of things wrong with them. >> Here's a perfect example: >> http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 > > Here's a perfect example of what? > > I said our parties and our elected representatives have all kinds of > things wrong with them and you give a link to a sign made by an apparently > redneck central Floridian which sez "Obama - half-breed Muslin" > > > The sign cited doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with my statement. > > > But as an aside, as you know, I've tried to research Obama's African > racial and Muslim heritage, but I haven't come up with any more useful > information than I've posted earlier. > > Obama's forbears on his father's side were some kind of black Africans, > which Africa is a 'hotbed' of racial and religious intolerances and > historical Arab slave traders. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Africa Racism in Africa - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade Arab slave trade > > > ... not that there's anything wrong with having a bad heritage. I think this post pretty much speaks for itself. From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Thu Oct 2 14:38:32 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Thu Oct 2 14:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc323i$uvl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zootal wrote: >> Tim McGraw: >>> "McCain did not arrive in time for the debate and, when he entered the >>> chamber, walked past Obama without acknowledging him. Several minutes >>> later, Obama strode to where McCain was talking with his friend Joe >>> Lieberman, independent-Conn., and held out his hand in greeting. McCain >>> gave a curt, frigid shake back and instantly looked away. In the clubby >>> world of the Senate, it was an unmistakable rebuff." >>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/02/MNFN139LF0.DTL >> >> Articles from the SF Chronicle are hardly what I would call unbiased >> objective reporting....and even if their portrayal is accurate, that has >> what to do with what I said? > > That you are a liar and a troll? > > I wonder if you can name the newspapers you read. Have you descended into name calling already? Is that really the best you can do? No, I can't name the newspapers I read. I'm too stupid and illiterate to do so - I just look at the pictures. Seriously - what kind of a question is that? Who reads newspapers, but can't name the ones they read? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 14:57:49 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Who reads newspapers, but can't name the ones they read? Is that a trick question? http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/post-4.html From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 15:00:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Thu Oct 2 15:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Here's a perfect example: > http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 Hmmm.... would that be a 50/50 blend of cotton and polyester? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Oct 2 16:58:28 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Zootal wrote: >> Who reads newspapers, but can't name the ones they read? > > Is that a trick question? It (the original inference: "I wonder if you can name the newspapers you read.") is a 'trick question' - in the manner of the trick question elaborated in the movie "My Cousin Vinny" (during Lisa's voie dire) > http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/post-4.html "Couric: What newspapers do you read, Ms. Palin? She says she reads all of them but won't divulge the name of any single one." I wouldn't like to answer the newspaper question either, because it is a Vinny/Lisa/Trotter type trick question. The question assumes facts not in evidence; namely that the person being so questioned does a pretty good job of regularly reading the newspaper/s they are going to answer the question with. I subscribe to one local newspaper. I seldom read its news pages in the deadtree version, I just work its crosswords and jumble puzzles -- because/and/but I very frequently read its news pages along with the news pages of probably nearly a hundred different news sources, newspapers and newsmagazines, online regularly. Such reading hours daily. OTOH, if I said I read all of /those/ many newspapers and newsmagazines (and blogs), that wouldn't be true either, because some days or even some weeks I don't read any part of a majority of some specific news sources I read regularly. That is I read lots and lots of newspapers online, but I wouldn't want to characterize any/all of those newspapers as 'a' newspaper I read regularly. ... not that that excuses Palin for how she comes across in such an interview. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From loafman at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 16:59:23 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:26:53 -0700, Zootal wrote: > "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message > news:gc2jpk$v1n$1@news.spamcop.net... >> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:31:14 -0700, Zootal wrote: >> >>> I don't see anything about this that "destroys the US >>> Constitution...". I think the article is somewhat biased :-) >>> >>> However, I don't see anything wrong with that. If there is natural or >>> manmade emergency, why not have highly trained "combat hardened" >>> troops in the street? Who better to have out there to protect the >>> populace and our property? >> >> That's what the National Guard is for. You use combat hardened troops >> when you want to enforce martial law after a coup. I really don't want >> that possibility with The Shrub and The Penguin in charge. >> >> ...Ken > > Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have > given up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives > - they want to throw out our two party system and take total control. > Maybe the conservatives should stage a coup and get rid of the liberals > now while the Shrub is in charge? During the 6 years of pure-Republican rule the converse could have been said without any fear of reprisal. As it is, the Republicans have given up any pretext of working with the liberals unless tax breaks for the wealthy are included in any bill they pass. Its an obvious effort to move the wealth of the nation up to a very few people, who control fewer and fewer companies, which limit more and more of our freedoms. I predicted earlier that a crises of a terrorist nature would be foisted on the American populace before the elections. I guess I was incorrect about the nature of the crisis. ...Ken From loafman at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 17:02:52 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:18:37 -0700, Tim McGraw wrote: > Kenneth Loafman wrote: >> Zootal wrote: >>> If there is natural or manmade emergency, why not have highly trained >>> "combat hardened" troops in the street? Who better to have out there >>> to protect the populace and our property? >> That's what the National Guard is for. You use combat hardened troops >> when you want to enforce martial law after a coup. I really don't want >> that possibility with The Shrub and The Penguin in charge. > > Well, they successfully raided the Treasury. Not yet, but they are certainly trying. ...Ken From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 2 17:05:14 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" | Obama's forbears on his father's side were some kind of black Africans, | which Africa is a 'hotbed' of racial and religious intolerances and | historical Arab slave traders. Taking Obama's name out of the picture and you can say much the same of Atlanta, New Orleanse and NY city. From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 2 17:15:24 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: "Zootal" | | Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have given | up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives - they | want to throw out our two party system and take total control. Maybe the | conservatives should stage a coup and get rid of the liberals now while the Shrub is in charge? Which side of the zroon have you been nibblin? Bush and Co. have been about that and more for as long as I can remember. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 17:30:36 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Zootal wrote: >>> Who reads newspapers, but can't name the ones they read? >> Is that a trick question? >> http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/10/post-4.html > > The question assumes facts not in evidence; namely that the person being so questioned ...reads? > I subscribe to one local newspaper. Are you running for office? > That is I read lots and lots of newspapers online, but I wouldn't want to characterize any/all of those newspapers as 'a' newspaper I read regularly. Nobody in their right mind believes "what newspapers do you read?" means you read every story, cover to cover. > ... not that that excuses Palin for how she comes across in such an interview. She handled it better than you! From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 17:31:46 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 17:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > Zootal wrote: >> ...the Liberals seem to have given up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives - they want to throw out our two party system and take total control. Maybe the conservatives should stage a coup and get rid of the liberals now while the Shrub is in charge? > > During the 6 years of pure-Republican rule the converse could have been > said without any fear of reprisal. As it is, the Republicans have given > up any pretext of working with the liberals unless tax breaks for the > wealthy are included in any bill they pass. Its an obvious effort to > move the wealth of the nation up to a very few people, who control fewer > and fewer companies, which limit more and more of our freedoms. > > I predicted earlier that a crises of a terrorist nature would be foisted > on the American populace before the elections. I guess I was incorrect > about the nature of the crisis. ...or who "the real terrorists" are. From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Oct 2 19:51:20 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... References: Message-ID: In article , "Zootal" wrote: > Maybe that would not be such a bad thing...the Liberals seem to have given > up any pretext of getting along and working with the conservatives - they > want to throw out our two party system and take total control. Maybe the > conservatives should stage a coup and get rid of the liberals now while the > Shrub is in charge? Another refugee from Bizarro World. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Sent via BlackBerry, the miracle device invented by John McCain. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 20:42:10 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Why the hate? Are you asking me? Or the DNA expert? From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 2 21:56:31 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or References: Message-ID: David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-50EC6B.14190702102008@killface.local... | In article , | Charles wrote: | | > Even if you were just waiting to buy a house? | | Maybe I'm more of a risk taker, but the money doesn't have to just | sit there while you wait to find a house and for the whole weeks-long | process once an offer is accepted. In fact, if you have sterling credit, | you can use the securities that you've invested the money in as | collateral for a short-term loan. The bank can issue a cashier's check a | day or two before you close and you can sell the securities to cover the | float the next day. Even before the mortgage meltdown that would risk screwing up the closing. In today's environment ... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 22:18:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] I can't freakin' stand it...... Message-ID: She is HORRIBLE........ yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE. Platitudes, rhetoric and never answers the question. I want to smack her. I don't know how Biden is holding himself back.... From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 22:36:30 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 Message-ID: Bailout bill includes tax break for NASCAR racetracks By LISA ZAGAROLI McClatchy Newspapers WASHINGTON -- A tax break for NASCAR racetracks and other motor-sports facilities is among the "sweeteners" tucked inside a 450-page financial-services bailout bill to make the package more palatable to lawmakers. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/711014.html From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 22:37:11 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > She is HORRIBLE........ yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE. Platitudes, rhetoric > and never answers the question. I want to smack her. I don't know how > Biden is holding himself back.... Gosh darn it, I thought someone had "Fargo" on in the other room! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 22:43:39 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc40gn$529$2@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> She is HORRIBLE........ yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE. Platitudes, >> rhetoric and never answers the question. I want to smack her. I don't >> know how Biden is holding himself back.... > > Gosh darn it, I thought someone had "Fargo" on in the other room! EXACTLY! I couldn't place it but that's exactly what it was, this folksy whine is soooooooo irritating.... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 2 22:44:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 2 22:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc40fe$529$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bailout bill includes tax break for NASCAR racetracks > > By LISA ZAGAROLI > McClatchy Newspapers > > WASHINGTON -- A tax break for NASCAR racetracks and other motor-sports > facilities is among the "sweeteners" tucked inside a 450-page > financial-services bailout bill to make the package more palatable to > lawmakers. > http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/711014.html Isn't it great that in such a crisis situation they STILL couldn't hold themselves back from padding it with a lot of unnecessary shit. Shameful. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Oct 2 23:05:09 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Oct 2 23:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Just an observation. References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Charles wrote: >> Why the hate? > > Are you asking me? Or the DNA expert? "What we have here is ... failure to communicate." -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Fri Oct 3 01:00:08 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Oct 3 01:00:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-F1E72B.19003002102008@killface.local... | In article , | "Frog Prince" wrote: | | > Even before the mortgage meltdown that would risk screwing up the closing. | | It was common enough when I was working in banking (twenty years ago) | that we had spelled out procedures for it. Not my experience. ~20 years back my personal situation was rock solid but I had to endorse business loans. And played hell trying to time things so that my closing was not screwed up by the needs of the business. From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Fri Oct 3 13:05:57 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: For a minute there I thought you were talking about Biden... yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE.... "Heidi" wrote in message news:gc3vd0$307$1@news.spamcop.net... > She is HORRIBLE........ yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE. Platitudes, > rhetoric and never answers the question. I want to smack her. I don't > know how Biden is holding himself back.... > From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Fri Oct 3 13:07:26 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Fri Oct 3 13:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gc40up$7mo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:gc40fe$529$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Bailout bill includes tax break for NASCAR racetracks >> >> By LISA ZAGAROLI >> McClatchy Newspapers >> >> WASHINGTON -- A tax break for NASCAR racetracks and other motor-sports >> facilities is among the "sweeteners" tucked inside a 450-page >> financial-services bailout bill to make the package more palatable to >> lawmakers. >> http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/711014.html > > Isn't it great that in such a crisis situation they STILL couldn't hold > themselves back from padding it with a lot of unnecessary shit. Shameful. > I'm with you on this one. Any hot bill is susceptible to having all kinds of junk added to it. "You want your bill passed? Then include my stuff with it also". We really need a line-item veto. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 18:46:47 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 3 18:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > For a minute there I thought you were talking about Biden... yak yak yak and > NO SUBSTANCE.... Too bad most Americans are obviously smarter than you are, and aren't fooled at all by your partisan spin. http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2299 Who Won VP Debate: A Review of Polls with October 3 pm update Survey USA Biden 51% Palin 32% Undecided 17% CNN/Opinion Research Biden 51 Palin 36 CBS Biden 46 Palin 21 Even Fox's own poll gave the win to Biden by a wide margin: Fox Biden 61 Palin 39 And perhaps even more telling for the upcoming election: "In the CBS poll, of the uncommitted voters, 18% now say they will vote Obama/Biden, 10% now say McCain/Palin". From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 3 18:49:03 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Oct 3 18:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > "In the CBS poll, of the uncommitted voters, 18% now say they will vote > Obama/Biden, 10% now say McCain/Palin". Are those the committed uncommitteds or the uncommitted committeds? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 19:13:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 3 19:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Welcome To Sarahland Message-ID: This sums it up well, facts and logic mean absolutely nothing to these people. Apparently the GOP's motto these days is "Vote Republican: We're not too smart, either". http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-brodsky/welcome-to-sarahland_b_131465.html From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 19:47:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 3 19:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Are those the committed uncommitteds or the uncommitted committeds? I'll try to find out and get back to ya... ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 19:52:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 3 19:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > They require of me that I have escrow. By "escrow" do you mean what's also referred to as an "impound account"? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 3 19:58:14 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Oct 3 20:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> Are those the committed uncommitteds or the uncommitted committeds? > > I'll try to find out and get back to ya... ;-) Is that a definite commitment or an indefinite commitment? :-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 20:03:37 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Oct 3 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Welcome To Sarahland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > This sums it up well, facts and logic mean absolutely nothing to these > people. Apparently the GOP's motto these days is "Vote Republican: We're > not too smart, either". > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-brodsky/welcome-to-sarahland_b_131465.html I thought there was something missing. Swim suit competition? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Oct 3 20:07:03 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Oct 3 20:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Republicans Are Morons wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> Are those the committed uncommitteds or the uncommitted committeds? >> I'll try to find out and get back to ya... ;-) > Is that a definite commitment or an indefinite commitment? Definitely non-committal, indefinitely. From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Fri Oct 3 23:30:25 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Fri Oct 3 23:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: "Republicans Are Morons" wrote in message news:gc67cm$j5v$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zootal wrote: > >> For a minute there I thought you were talking about Biden... yak yak yak >> and NO SUBSTANCE.... > > Too bad most Americans are obviously smarter than you are, and aren't > fooled at all by your partisan spin. Partisan spin? See how two faced people can be? When someone says something in support of their ideology, they are obviously telling the truth that so desparetely needed telling. If someone says the exact same thing that goes against their ideology, it's partisan spin. Do your shirts have two left arm sleeves instead one on the right and one on the left? From loafman at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 12:15:31 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Sat Oct 4 12:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Welcome To Sarahland References: Message-ID: On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:03:37 -0700, Tim McGraw wrote: > Republicans Are Morons wrote: >> This sums it up well, facts and logic mean absolutely nothing to these >> people. Apparently the GOP's motto these days is "Vote Republican: >> We're not too smart, either". >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/art-brodsky/welcome-to- sarahland_b_131465.html > > I thought there was something missing. > > Swim suit competition? >From what I've seen, Sarah needs the top half of the suit to show where the naughty bits are supposed to be. ;-) From dfmanno at mail.com Sat Oct 4 16:00:09 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Oct 4 16:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Welcome To Sarahland References: Message-ID: In article , Republicans Are Morons wrote: > This sums it up well, facts and logic mean absolutely nothing to these > people. Apparently the GOP's motto these days is "Vote Republican: We're > not too smart, either". I think the motto is: "Vote Republican: Because you're just stupid enough to do it." -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 16:41:12 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Oct 4 16:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: <4890A229.AE43D50@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > The so-called "mortgage crisis" was created by the convergence of many > factors. The best explanation I have heard was "This American Life" on > NPR, an episode called "The Giant Pool of Money." Spellbinding. > > http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242 > > A friend is a program director at a PBS station in the midwest. He told > me the response to that episode was 100 percent more than any previous > episode of the program. "...we were flooded with emails about that show... The New York Times wrote an article about it, how helpful it was. So today we asked those guys to come back." They did it again, a must-listen. > Another Frightening Show About the Economy > > Alex Blumberg and NPR's Adam Davidson?the two guys who reported our Giant Pool of Money episode?are back, in collaboration with the Planet Money podcast. They'll explain what happened this week, including what regulators could've done to prevent this financial crisis from happening in the first place. http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=365 Podcast http://podcast.thisamericanlife.org/podcast/365.mp3 From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 17:17:45 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 4 17:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Is that a definite commitment or an indefinite commitment? Mike, can I use a Lifeline?.... ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 17:21:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 4 17:25:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Partisan spin? See how two faced people can be? When someone says something > in support of their ideology, they are obviously telling the truth that so > desparetely needed telling. If someone says the exact same thing that goes > against their ideology, it's partisan spin. Do your shirts have two left arm > sleeves instead one on the right and one on the left? "yak yak yak" and a generic charge of "NO SUBSTANCE...." is considered "support of their ideology"? What planet are you from? There's obviously a huge disconnect between those of you on the far-right side of the political spectrum and those of us who live in the reality-based world. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 17:57:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 4 18:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Palin On Supreme Court Decisions Message-ID: Now that they've given her the answers, of course. Too bad you don't get a "makeup test" in real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3r9YnOvSJw&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/ This just gets more and more pathetic - WTF is a "heedious decision"? And what would happen if she had to deal with another world leader and got annoyed at him/her? Would she suddenly start talking in undecipherable gibberish? From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 4 18:09:32 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 4 18:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> Is that a definite commitment or an indefinite commitment? > > Mike, can I use a Lifeline?.... ;-) Would you like to ask the audience, or email a friend? Meanwhile I'll be chatting up Meredith over here. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 18:28:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 4 18:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Would you like to ask the audience, or email a friend? > > Meanwhile I'll be chatting up Meredith over here. Am I allowed to channel the spirits of deceased former presidents? Sarah Palin seems to think that will work for her... ;-) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 18:35:02 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Oct 4 18:35:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Palin On Supreme Court Decisions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: She is... the http://tinyurl.com/weakest-wink From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 4 19:03:25 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart References: Message-ID: Found beneath a lectern after the debate: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/03/leaked_from_palins_debate_prep.html From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 4 19:15:05 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > Am I allowed to channel the spirits of deceased former presidents? Sarah > Palin seems to think that will work for her... ;-) Speaking of negative partisan shots, according to my votemaster, McCain is going to rechannel his advertising $s from ads extolling his being experienced, war hero, POW, maverick, reformer and long service to his country - instead into anti-Obama ads re the B.O. associations with T Rezko, Wm Ayers, and Rev Wright -- and then the dems will come back with their own negative ads about Keating bribes, he's an old man with a history of 4 cancers, and he dumped his crippled first wife to hook up with the beer heiress. Votemaster has a couple of links to current examples. The attack dog bucks and ads are supposed to flow from the code 527 taxempt PACs on both sides. Partisan politics of a two party system - this is what is supposed to make our federal republic work. Naturally those of us who are more independent are turned off by negative ads and the divisiveness of partisans on both sides. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 4 19:29:07 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gc8tdp$fpg$1@news.spamcop.net... | Republicans Are Morons wrote: | | > Am I allowed to channel the spirits of deceased former presidents? Sarah | > Palin seems to think that will work for her... ;-) | | Speaking of negative partisan shots, according to my votemaster, McCain is | going to rechannel his advertising $s from ads extolling his being | experienced, war hero, POW, maverick, reformer and long service to his | country - instead into anti-Obama ads re the B.O. associations with T | Rezko, Wm Ayers, and Rev Wright -- and then the dems will come back with | their own negative ads about Keating bribes, he's an old man with a | history of 4 cancers, and he dumped his crippled first wife to hook up | with the beer heiress. Votemaster has a couple of links to current | examples. | | The attack dog bucks and ads are supposed to flow from the code 527 | taxempt PACs on both sides. | | Partisan politics of a two party system - this is what is supposed to make | our federal republic work. | | Naturally those of us who are more independent are turned off by negative | ads and the divisiveness of partisans on both sides. | Turned off, absolutely but that's not where the ads are targeted and what those who are turned off think will not make much difference in the outcome or the process. From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 4 19:30:55 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:35:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] I can see the moon from my back yard Message-ID: I can see the moon from my back yard, does that make me a rocket scientist or an astronaut? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 19:47:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 4 19:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Naturally those of us who are more independent are turned off by negative > ads and the divisiveness of partisans on both sides. I concur 100%, though I think Obama hit a lot of good bipartisan notes in both his acceptance speech (granted much of which is just gloss for the party faithful) and in the first Presidential debate. McCain now seems to be in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't position where he has to do something (anything...) in the next 4 weeks to try to overcome Obama's growing lead in the poll numbers. Yet by going even more negative he also risks alienating the independents and (the remaining few) undecideds who will actually decide this election. And isn't there a rule somewhere about only 2 Hail Mary passes being allowed per election cycle?... ;-) Obama, meanwhile, has the luxury of appearing "calmly presidential" and staying above the fray while the McCain campaign desperately tries to get back on track. That being said, this is anything but a "normal" election season and anything can (and probably will) happen between now and Nov. 4th. Buckle up, and enjoy the ride. :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 19:57:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Oct 4 20:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can see the moon from my back yard References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gc8ub1$h02$1@news.spamcop.net... >I can see the moon from my back yard, does that make me a rocket scientist > or an astronaut? NH shares a border with Canada, so that gives me foreign policy experience and qualifies me for Veep. Wanna be my secretary of the treasury or something? I'll give ya whatever job you want, you betcha! From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 22:02:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Oct 4 22:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2D9E9CA9F4ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Really, I don't get it. I've spent weeks looking and I can't find any > reference anywhere that says that anyone would consider loaning us this > much money and yet all of the local banks will, no problem. What am I > missing? You have a good paying job? You have a job? They're desperate to unload a house? They work on commission or something? Ask them? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 23:50:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 4 23:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2CC19E21E4DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > So I've been hearing stories of people who get mortgages and can't close > 'cause they can't get PMI. Well... I suppose I'm pretty close to being > one of those people, in a way. As in, I got my loan at 5.95% (woo hoo) > only... They require of me that I have escrow. Like, what? I'm putting > 21% down, guys. Fed law says you don't need PMI with 20% down, doesn't it? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 4 23:53:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 4 23:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc40fe$529$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bailout bill includes tax break for NASCAR racetracks > Don't get me started. The bill finally passed with an additional $140 billion in pork, fscking bastards. The stock market showed their disdain for the bill on Friday, that's for sure. If they had passed the original bill, happy days may have returned...now, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's buying it as a good thing. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 00:00:15 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Oct 5 00:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gc3vd0$307$1@news.spamcop.net... > She is HORRIBLE........ yak yak yak and NO SUBSTANCE. Platitudes, > rhetoric and never answers the question. I want to smack her. I don't > know how Biden is holding himself back.... > I watched it with a couple friends in southern MD.....we all thought it was basically a draw, no one made any killer points or mistakes, but then again we were all falling in and out of sleep at the time, was a long day, golf at 7:30 am, then I had my traffic court at 1:30 pm. Of course I was the 3rd to last out of about 70 folks to be called, my state trooper didn't show up for court, so I got off scot free. I had a whole booklet of stuff prepared to fight his BS speeding ticket and I didn't get to use any of it.....probably for the best, but I wanted to put that crooked cop on trial before the judge! He completely made up my ticket out of thin air, I was there half on principal and half on the points the ticket carried. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 00:08:57 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Oct 5 00:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2A539FE6C4CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> I also had a severe black mold in my master bathroom >> that I finally fixed within the last yea > > So... How easy is it, exactly, to get rid of mold? And have you resolved > the underlying issue? I mean... This house we were/are buying has a mold > problem. I've asked them to completely remediate everything and to my > satisfaction before we move in. Negos are ongoing... Well, I managed to get rid of most of the black mold in the shower by simply leaving the glass shower door open instead of closed after use. Still, I have a bit of mold build up after a month or so, I get rid of it with some spray-on Tilex mold killer that works great with no scrubbing. Today I bought 3 in-house mold testing kits to test my 3 suspect areas. I'm split between hoping they show up positive and showing up negative.....if positive, it's $30 per sample to get them analyzyed to determine the mold genus.....but I was away for the last 3 days, and my health and energy levels went up big time......I've suspected "sick house syndrome" for many years now, guess I'll find out in 48 hours if me and my doc were correct or not. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Oct 5 02:02:32 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Oct 5 02:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Of > course I was the 3rd to last out of about 70 folks to be called, my > state trooper didn't show up for court, so I got off scot free. Many many long years ago when I showed up to contest a ticket in Houston traffic court, my officer was trying to make his case against a River Oaks rich kid's attorney. The rich kid was ticketed for some kind of loud pipes/exhaust -- and the attorney was carving up the cop's testimony, ordinance, etc. mercilessly. The kid's case won and 'my cop' stomped out of the courtroom in anger. I was dreading what kind of attitude he was going to have when my case was up. When I came up, apparently the officer had left for the day in frustration, so I won my case. The judge toyed with some kind of idea about rescheduling my case because the officer wasn't there -- but I wasn't buying into that. I had traveled to Houston from out of town to appear. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 5 03:12:37 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 5 03:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Investment advice needed Message-ID: Despite the turmoil in the stock market (or perhaps as a result of), I am growing more interested in investing my money. Currently I have the bulk of my funds in a Washington Mutual online savings account paying about 4% interest. WAMU as some of you know has been bought by JP Morgan. While this means WAMU will stay in business, it also means that JP Morgan might slash the high interest rate to something more in line with their own...a pathetic 0.2%. I already have an ING savings account with a 3% rate that I can use as a backup but it got me thinking...why not invest in something with an even higher rate? I could go with a WAMU online CD with a rate of 5% (which would be locked in even if JP Morgan screws with the rate later on), but locking my cash up for a year for only 1% greater interest than I'm getting now? No thanks. I am leaning towards investing in mutual funds. Even though it may lose money now, it will eventually rebound and could provide a nice way to grow my funds. Anybody have any advice or personal experience in these matters? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 03:35:09 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 5 03:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > The stock market showed their disdain for the bill on Friday, that's for sure. If they had passed the original bill, happy days may have returned...now, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's buying it as a good thing. Despite the pork, the bill that was passed may be better for taxpayers than the earlier versions: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95395712 From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 09:29:46 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 09:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc9qnc$stk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: >> The stock market showed their disdain for the bill on Friday, that's for >> sure. If they had passed the original bill, happy days may have >> returned...now, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's buying it as a >> good thing. > > Despite the pork, the bill that was passed may be better for taxpayers > than the earlier versions: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95395712 There's no doubt it's better than giving someone a 700 billion dollar blank check with not oversight, but how un-American is it to pad the bill with 150 bn in EXTRA pork when the financial system is next to collapse (to hear them talk)? Pure, unadulterated greed. Apparently, there's no such thing as 'country first' when there's money to be had. The R's who are up for reelection are all scared of losing their seats because they voted for the bill. Aww. From loafman at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 09:48:43 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Sun Oct 5 09:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:29:46 -0400, Heidi wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:gc9qnc$stk$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Indigo wrote: >>> The stock market showed their disdain for the bill on Friday, that's >>> for sure. If they had passed the original bill, happy days may have >>> returned...now, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's buying it as a >>> good thing. >> >> Despite the pork, the bill that was passed may be better for taxpayers >> than the earlier versions: >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95395712 > > There's no doubt it's better than giving someone a 700 billion dollar > blank check with not oversight, but how un-American is it to pad the > bill with 150 bn in EXTRA pork when the financial system is next to > collapse (to hear them talk)? Pure, unadulterated greed. Apparently, > there's no such thing as 'country first' when there's money to be had. > The R's who are up for reelection are all scared of losing their seats > because they voted for the bill. Aww. You noticed that one of the 'pork' items was more tax cuts for their friends? This whole thing is a ploy to move the wealth to their friends while they have a chance. Screw the little guy every way they can, no matter that the little guy was the force that built this country. The only good thing to come out of this is that it's swaying the polls more to Obama than McBush. Maybe that will help, but even then, we have to get rid of pork and lobbyists. ...Ken From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 09:50:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 09:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E62402E614TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, the pay is OK. I'd make more living in a town with more people in > it. But the job is awesome - never had a better one. The bank folks may > work on commission. I'd feel weird asking why they're loaning the money > before it's final, I guess. But... Really, it's strange. Like 'they' say, if it seems too good to be true.... Just to avoid any nasty surprises, I would like to sit down with them and say 'walk me through how you determined I am eligible for this loan, step by step', I'd make them tell me their criteria. It seems totally weird with things and credit in such dire shape that they would be making any loans, much less risky ones. Smells bad.....are they in danger of going under, by any chance? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 09:55:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 10:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:gcagjr$9qp$1@news.spamcop.net... > You noticed that one of the 'pork' items was more tax cuts for their > friends? This whole thing is a ploy to move the wealth to their friends > while they have a chance. Screw the little guy every way they can, no > matter that the little guy was the force that built this country. And do so shamelessly....Why not a line item veto? I'm willing to bet had they not voted on Friday but gone into the weekend to challenge the pork, it would have been fought over. This is first time I've ever written my Rep. senator, never voted for him, never will, but I reiterated that I was not a fan and was looking forward to election day. > > The only good thing to come out of this is that it's swaying the polls > more to Obama than McBush. Maybe that will help, but even then, we have > to get rid of pork and lobbyists. I wonder if any part of this bill is reversible, should the Dems win the senate seats to control it? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 10:02:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 10:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gc9pcp$pnj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Despite the turmoil in the stock market (or perhaps as a result of), I am > growing more interested in investing my money. Currently I have the bulk > of my funds in a Washington Mutual online savings account paying about 4% > interest. WAMU as some of you know has been bought by JP Morgan. > > While this means WAMU will stay in business, it also means that JP Morgan > might slash the high interest rate to something more in line with their > own...a pathetic 0.2%. I already have an ING savings account with a 3% > rate that I can use as a backup but it got me thinking...why not invest in > something with an even higher rate? > > I could go with a WAMU online CD with a rate of 5% (which would be locked > in even if JP Morgan screws with the rate later on), but locking my cash > up for a year for only 1% greater interest than I'm getting now? No > thanks. > > I am leaning towards investing in mutual funds. Even though it may lose > money now, it will eventually rebound and could provide a nice way to grow > my funds. Anybody have any advice or personal experience in these > matters? I'm definitely no financial whiz, but IMO JP isn't going to drop the interest rate on just WaMu accounts, they want to keep the business. If the Fed drops the interest rates again, then it will probably go down, but ALL banks drop their interest rates because the Fed does. Remember what happened after 9/11? I had a MM account making something like 4.5 or 4.6, after 9/11 it dropped to about 3, if that. It's climbed back up a little, but nothing like before. Still, I'm not LOSING money, I'm just not making as much interest. If I were you I'd leave it right where it is till things settle down. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 10:04:58 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 10:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E647ECD552TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > I can do that. After I have it in writing that I have the loan. And that > might not be until I lock the rate in. Hmm. No, I might not lock until > 10 > days before closing. Well, it's all complicated. I want to get this > escrow BS worked out, first. Well, that and the mold stuff. The mold would scare the crap out of me, depending on what kind it is, if it's toxic mold it's expensive and sometimes not possible to get all of it, depending if it's in the walls or not. Might be the reason it's on the market? Too expensive to fix? From me at privacy.net Sun Oct 5 10:49:57 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Oct 5 11:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E6256DAB3ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! | | > Fed law says you don't need PMI with 20% down, doesn't it? | | I dunno. But they're talking about real estate taxes, anyway. Speaking of real-estate taxes. My daughter has kept a very tight log of sales offering in her area. Whereever possable she's tracked the acutual done deal prices. Tax folk jumped everyone's taxes for the 3 time in a row by a good bit and in a declining market. Most just ate the increase. Some of the neighbors hired O'Connor & Asso. to do battle with the tax bunch. For the most part no joy. It appears OCA uses a boiler plate approach but I'm guessing base on left handed observations My daughter took on the appraisal board herself and had a 8-10% reduction. (not right based on market but not bad base on the rest of the neighbors). My point is take the time to track sales offering and if you can the actual sales. It's an effor but can pay off. From me at privacy.net Sun Oct 5 11:05:57 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Oct 5 11:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcah18$k1p$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message | news:gcagjr$9qp$1@news.spamcop.net... | > You noticed that one of the 'pork' items was more tax cuts for their | > friends? This whole thing is a ploy to move the wealth to their friends | > while they have a chance. Screw the little guy every way they can, no | > matter that the little guy was the force that built this country. | | And do so shamelessly....Why not a line item veto? I'm willing to bet had | they not voted on Friday but gone into the weekend to challenge the pork, it | would have been fought over. This is first time I've ever written my Rep. | senator, never voted for him, never will, but I reiterated that I was not a | fan and was looking forward to election day. | | > | > The only good thing to come out of this is that it's swaying the polls | > more to Obama than McBush. Maybe that will help, but even then, we have | > to get rid of pork and lobbyists. | | I wonder if any part of this bill is reversible, should the Dems win the | senate seats to control it? Never tell them you'll never vote for them otherwise they won't read your letters with much concern. As far as mine are concenred I'm stll a good Republican (i get the special invites to come to events and bring my check book). I've one up this year for reelection and it's a no for me but he still thinks I'm a supporter. Both my senators voted a resounding yes. I've sent them a short note 'What part of NO!!! did you not understand?" Be interesting to see the canned response in a few weeks, From me at privacy.net Sun Oct 5 11:08:00 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Oct 5 11:25:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E62402E614TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! | > "Charles" wrote in message | > news:Xns9B2D9E9CA9F4ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | | >> Really, I don't get it. I've spent weeks looking and I can't find | >> any reference anywhere that says that anyone would consider loaning | >> us this much money and yet all of the local banks will, no problem. | >> What am I missing? | > | > You have a good paying job? You have a job? They're desperate to | > unload a house? They work on commission or something? Ask them? | | Well, the pay is OK. I'd make more living in a town with more people in | it. But the job is awesome - never had a better one. The bank folks may | work on commission. I'd feel weird asking why they're loaning the money | before it's final, I guess. But... Really, it's strange. Don;t ask question you really don't want answers to at this point. (other then 'you're approved') From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Sun Oct 5 12:40:32 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: "Republicans Are Morons" wrote in message news:gc8mp7$v88$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zootal wrote: > >> Partisan spin? See how two faced people can be? When someone says >> something in support of their ideology, they are obviously telling the >> truth that so desparetely needed telling. If someone says the exact same >> thing that goes against their ideology, it's partisan spin. Do your >> shirts have two left arm sleeves instead one on the right and one on the >> left? > > "yak yak yak" and a generic charge of "NO SUBSTANCE...." is considered > "support of their ideology"? What planet are you from? There's obviously a > huge disconnect between those of you on the far-right side of the > political spectrum and those of us who live in the reality-based world. > Can you address/answer questions/statements made, instead of spinning off in different directions everytime you write something? Spouting insults and changing the subject is a very common tactic, and is frequently used by people that don't/won't/can't answer. Try not doing it for a change. From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Sun Oct 5 12:49:02 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: > I watched it with a couple friends in southern MD.....we all thought it > was basically a draw, no one made any killer points or mistakes, but then > again we were all falling in and out of sleep at the time, was a long day, > golf at 7:30 am, then I had my traffic court at 1:30 pm. Of course I was > the 3rd to last out of about 70 folks to be called, my state trooper > didn't show up for court, so I got off scot free. I had a whole booklet of > stuff prepared to fight his BS speeding ticket and I didn't get to use any > of it.....probably for the best, but I wanted to put that crooked cop on > trial before the judge! He completely made up my ticket out of thin air, I > was there half on principal and half on the points the ticket carried. I don't think anyone really wins these debates, and I didn't see a clear winner in this one either. Both sides explained their pov and ideology, and in this case both sides did it fairly well. Palin held her own and explained her pov well, and so did Biden. However, if one is fairly far (to the point of extremism) to one side or other of the political spectrum, then they tend to make fun of the other and proclaim what an idiot they are, and how intelligent and correct and reality based their candidate of choice is. Go figure. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 13:42:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Can you address/answer questions/statements made Already did that. Go back and read my previous post again and answer accordingly if you're capable of doing that. From msnews at zootal.nospam.com Sun Oct 5 14:35:30 2008 From: msnews at zootal.nospam.com (Zootal) Date: Sun Oct 5 14:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... References: Message-ID: "Republicans Are Morons" wrote in message news:gcauao$aaq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zootal wrote: > >> Can you address/answer questions/statements made > > Already did that. Go back and read my previous post again and answer > accordingly if you're capable of doing that. Observe the arrogance of the liberal elite: --------------------------------------- Go back and read my previous post again and answer accordingly if you're capable of doing that. What planet are you from? Too bad most Americans are obviously smarter than you are and on and on --------------------------------------- Grow up, little boy. There is a thing called "politeness". You should consider learning it if you want people to take you seriously. No one gives much heed to the whining crybabies who think that they only way to make their point is by insulting others. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 15:00:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Economist.com: Economists prefer Obama Message-ID: http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127 "AS THE financial crisis pushes the economy back to the top of voters? concerns, Barack Obama is starting to open up a clear lead over John McCain in the opinion polls. But among those who study economics for a living, Mr Obama?s lead is much more commanding. A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority ? at times by overwhelming margins ? believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers." From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 15:11:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: > Observe the arrogance of the liberal elite: > > --------------------------------------- > Go back and read my previous post again and answer accordingly if you're > capable of doing that. > What planet are you from? > Too bad most Americans are obviously smarter than you are > > and on and on > --------------------------------------- > > Grow up, little boy. There is a thing called "politeness". You should > consider learning it if you want people to take you seriously. No one gives > much heed to the whining crybabies who think that they only way to make > their point is by insulting others. You give yourself away too easily, LOL! From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 5 15:49:47 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gc9pcp$pnj$1@news.spamcop.net... If I were you I'd leave it right where it is till things > settle down. > > Probably a good idea. I was banking more on the idea that the stock market would eventually rebound and I should buy now so when the economy comes back I'd make a great return. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 16:31:41 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I was banking more on the idea that the stock market would > eventually rebound and I should buy now so when the economy > comes back I'd make a great return. Excellent idea, as long as your time horizon isn't short-term (i.e. you don't need the money or the return in the next year or so). The stock market has always recovered from its lows (even after the crash of 1929), and if you have the cash available now looks like a really good time to buy. Though you also may want to sit tight for the next few weeks and see how the market is going to digest all of the latest news (Congressional bailout, etc.), there may still be a fair amount of downside potential left to shake out before the market finds the real bottom of this latest cycle. From me at privacy.net Sun Oct 5 16:39:14 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E773CF10BCTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Frog Prince" ! | | > My daughter took on the appraisal board herself and had a 8-10% | > reduction. (not right based on market but not bad base on the rest of | > the neighbors). | > | > My point is take the time to track sales offering and if you can the | > actual sales. It's an effor but can pay off. | | This is a very small town and there are no real comparable houses that are | not in this small neighborhood. And houses in this neighborhood don't sell | very often. And that's a justification for not paying attention? My DIL comes from an are where there are less than 5000 people in the entire town and likely not 15K in the county (with three family names but I'll not go there). She manage to save her grandparents 30% on their property taxes by paying attention which happened to be enough for them to fly out for Thanksgiving. From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 5 17:17:40 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 5 17:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > > Though you also may want to sit tight for the next few weeks and see how > the market is going to digest all of the latest news (Congressional > bailout, etc.), there may still be a fair amount of downside potential > left to shake out before the market finds the real bottom of this latest > cycle. Oh indeed, I won't be buying anything until after consulting a financial adviser. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 17:22:29 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 5 17:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: <4890A229.AE43D50@spamcop.net> Message-ID: It was Charles: > No way it was me! It was Charles ! > >> Replying to yourself? > > Why, yes I am. Fixed your quoting for you. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 17:24:51 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 5 17:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zootal wrote: >> I watched it with a couple friends in southern MD.....we all thought it >> was basically a draw, no one made any killer points or mistakes, but then >> again we were all falling in and out of sleep at the time, was a long day, >> golf at 7:30 am, then I had my traffic court at 1:30 pm. Of course I was >> the 3rd to last out of about 70 folks to be called, my state trooper >> didn't show up for court, so I got off scot free. I had a whole booklet of >> stuff prepared to fight his BS speeding ticket and I didn't get to use any >> of it.....probably for the best, but I wanted to put that crooked cop on >> trial before the judge! He completely made up my ticket out of thin air, I >> was there half on principal and half on the points the ticket carried. > > I don't think anyone really wins these debates, and I didn't see a clear > winner in this one either. Both sides explained their pov and ideology, and > in this case both sides did it fairly well. Palin held her own and explained > her pov well, and so did Biden. However, if one is fairly far (to the point > of extremism) to one side or other of the political spectrum, then they tend > to make fun of the other and proclaim what an idiot they are, and how > intelligent and correct and reality based their candidate of choice is. Go > figure. I don't think politicians should wink at me, but admit I may be in the minority. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 18:26:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gcb5oe$4tf$1@news.spamcop.net... > Probably a good idea. I was banking more on the idea that the stock > market would eventually rebound and I should buy now so when the economy > comes back I'd make a great return. The market will rebound, but unless you have money you can afford to lose and not recover for a long time, or ever, then IMO the money market is the safest. Everyone thinks that now with the bailout everything will be hunky dory, and I don't believe that's true, at least not yet, not with the huge job losses and the credit being shut down. I don't know whether CD's are protected in case of a collapse, every time I've thought of buying one something happened! From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 18:47:15 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 5 18:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: <4890A229.AE43D50@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! >> It was Charles: >>> No way it was me! It was Charles ! >>> >>>> Replying to yourself? >>> Why, yes I am. >> Fixed your quoting for you. > > There wasn't anything wrong with my quoting. I was quoting myself and > showed that pretty clearly. I didn't use my standard tag line because it > was me. Your "fix" doesn't look to me like it added anything. Let me > quote the post you quoted and see what I come up with. > > "It was Charles ! >> It was Charles ! >> >>> Replying to yourself? >> Why, yes I am." > > Why, it looks like what you wrote (well, minus the bit of illogic that you > introduced). So, really, I'm at a loss, here. Me too! From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 5 19:01:45 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 5 19:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gcb5oe$4tf$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Probably a good idea. I was banking more on the idea that the stock >> market would eventually rebound and I should buy now so when the economy >> comes back I'd make a great return. > > The market will rebound, but unless you have money you can afford to lose > and not recover for a long time, or ever, then IMO the money market is the > safest. Everyone thinks that now with the bailout everything will be hunky > dory, and I don't believe that's true, at least not yet, not with the huge > job losses and the credit being shut down. I don't know whether CD's are > protected in case of a collapse, every time I've thought of buying one > something happened! > > CDs are protected by the FDIC and locked in at whatever rate you get at the start. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 5 21:56:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] If You Have a Dog Message-ID: scroll down and watch the video with that title http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ From loafman at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 10:11:27 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Mon Oct 6 10:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: If You Have a Dog References: Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:56:00 -0400, Heidi wrote: > scroll down and watch the video with that title > http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ That really got to me. To think that we as a country could condone such cruelty is sickening. To shoot a defenseless animal from an airplane is just plain cowardly and shows no respect for the hunter or the animal. ...Ken From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 11:07:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can see the moon from my back yard References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gc8ub1$h02$1@news.spamcop.net... >I can see the moon from my back yard, does that make me a rocket scientist > or an astronaut? > > In a Republicon Administration, yes. From avoozl at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 13:19:20 2008 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Oct 6 13:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcam52$9pg$2@news.spamcop.net... > Never tell them you'll never vote for them otherwise they won't read your > letters with much concern. > > As far as mine are concenred I'm stll a good Republican (i get the special > invites to come to events and bring my check book). > > I've one up this year for reelection and it's a no for me but he still > thinks I'm a supporter. Both my senators voted a resounding yes. I've > sent > them a short note 'What part of NO!!! did you not understand?" Be > interesting to see the canned response in a few weeks, > > My local rep voted No. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 16:10:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gc9pcp$pnj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I could go with a WAMU online CD with a rate of 5% (which would be locked > in even if JP Morgan screws with the rate later on), but locking my cash > up for a year for only 1% greater interest than I'm getting now? No > thanks. Agree, although you can get 3, 6, and 9 month CDs too. Given the limited interest rate and not having the money available for an emergency I've never bought one, although if I could buy them in an IRA I sure as hell would! > > I am leaning towards investing in mutual funds. Even though it may lose > money now, it will eventually rebound and could provide a nice way to grow > my funds. Anybody have any advice or personal experience in these > matters? *Ahem* Not to toot my horn, but I _probably_ know more about the markets and investing than 99% of the folks posting here since I've studied it on a near daily basis in the year and a half since I've been on the DL, but even that hasn't helped me avoid a couple mistakes. My advice: don't you dare invest in the market right now! I've been shouting that warning here since June, but no one listened, and one in particular (you know who you are, Charles ;-) said I was basically loony and didn't know what I was talking about. Who turned out to be right, eh? Not that I'm happy I was....I've gotten killed in my trading account just like everyone else, but I own mostly good stocks and they'll eventually bounce back (the companies are still making money and profits, they've just gotten dragged down with the market). I'm finally going to be getting my hands on my 401k money soon, but I'm waiting as long as possible to fill out the paperwork. I moved all my assets into a MMF (money market fund) in June, and managed to preserve all my capital plus make some interest in the meantime (2.2%). Until I can find a safe MMF I can buy in my rollover IRA, I'm keeping that money in place until I'm forced to move it out. And MMFs aren't totally safe anymore, The Reserve Fund "broke the buck" two weeks ago, which helped feed the market panic. Even after Congress passed the bailout bill, the market was down about 500 points last Friday, and it's down about 500 points today. Our financial problems have also panicked the rest of the world, so foreign markets are getting slaughtered too. If you had bought a mutual fund last week, you'd probably be down 10-20% in just a few days! So my advice is to leave your money where it is until the market stabilizes......something that most experts don't expect to happen until sometime next spring when (IF!) the housing market stabilizes. It's better to wait for a clear sign the market is going up than to try to time the bottom for a few extra bucks. Until ALL the sub-prime mortgage mess is cleaned up and the banking sector stabilizes the market is just too risky for a newbie to jump into. A seasoned pro could be making a killing these days by shorting stocks and day trading, but something like 93% of "normal folk" who try it lose everything -- the odds are stacked against you. The hedge funds, Market Makers, and professional "shorters" dominate the market right now and they have inside info you don't have (plus they spend all day reading financial reports to peak inside companies, it's a TON of work). They can also make any stock move up and down at will, trying to scare you out of your stocks, and it works more often than not. This weekend, the Baltimore Sun had a big article on mutual and bond funds. Baltimore is a center of mutual fund companies, home to some biggies like Legg Mason, and T. Rowe Price. Out of the hundreds of funds they manage, only ONE is positive for the year, and it's only up 1%. All the rest are down over the last 365 days, some as far as 50%, with most of the damage occuring in the last 3 months. Bond funds were up in the 3rd quarter, but on a yearly basis they're not going to pay out much more than what you're getting in with your money right now, and you risk losing your principal in bond funds. Before I moved my 401k money into the MMF, I briefly parked it in what I thought was a safe bond fund, then proceded to lose $7k in just two weeks! That was the straw that broke the camel's back, so I got out of the market completely. And I'm staying out until Punxsutawney Phil sees his shadow, i.e. sunny days return. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 6 16:22:17 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gc9pcp$pnj$1@news.spamcop.net... >> *snip lots of good info* I did a bit of reading, and during the last recession in the 70's, the stock market actually bottomed out and started to climb while the recession was still ongoing. The market predicted the economy a few months in advance, so if you invested during the last few months of the recession, you made a killing a few years later. I'm waiting for that now. It's possible that given how housing markets are crashing, investing in real estate will be profitable once it bottoms out. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 17:53:23 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: If You Have a Dog References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:gcd6af$n31$1@news.spamcop.net... > On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:56:00 -0400, Heidi wrote: > >> scroll down and watch the video with that title >> http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/ > > That really got to me. To think that we as a country could condone such > cruelty is sickening. To shoot a defenseless animal from an airplane is > just plain cowardly and shows no respect for the hunter or the animal. > > ...Ken She made some stupid remark about 'doin' whatcha gadda do' to keep the wolf population in line. Really? Who are they hurting, out there in the wilderness? Cattle? People? Seals? Polar Bears? Sickening. A clean shot is one thing, that kind of suffering is just not necessary, and I'm glad it's out for all the world to see. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 18:40:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] No end to the greed Message-ID: What's coming out about Lehman brothers now is sickening. Even as the company was going under, they approved 20 MILLION more in bonuses for executives. And 484 MILLION for the chairman? Who ran the company into the ground anyway? http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5965360&page=1 Waxman cited an e-mail exchange among top Lehman executives. After someone sent an e-mail suggesting that Lehman's top management give up their bonuses, both Fuld and George H. Walker, a member of Lehman's executive committee and a cousin of President Bush, sent e-mails disagreeing with the suggestion. Walker, according to Waxman, replied by writing, "Sorry team. I'm not sure what's in the water at 605 Third Avenue today. . I'm embarrassed and I apologize." Waxman said that Fuld "mocked" the suggestion by adding, "Don't worry - they are only people who think about their own pockets." Waxman also cited a request submitted to Lehman's compensation committee four days before the firm filed for bankruptcy. The request, he said, recommended that the board give three departing executives over $20 million in "special payments." From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 20:52:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 6 20:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gcds1a$b7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I did a bit of reading, and during the last recession in the 70's, the > stock market actually bottomed out and started to climb while the > recession was still ongoing. The market predicted the economy a few > months in advance, so if you invested during the last few months of the > recession, you made a killing a few years later. That's what is called "trying to time the market". Very risky. VERY RISKY! Don't try to do it, nobody has a magic 8-ball to predict when the recovery will start. Like I said in my previous post, you are much better off not getting that last few % in gains by waiting for clear signs that the market is in recovery mode. > It's possible that given how housing markets are crashing, investing in > real estate will be profitable once it bottoms out. It's possible......but again, risky. I suggest if you want to play the real estate sector that you look at REITs, investment trusts that own real estate that must return 90% of their profits to their investors in the form of dividends every year. Healthcare REITs in particular are likely to be a good place to be as the boomers start entering retirement homes. I also suggest that instead of buying mutual funds that you invest in closed end funds (CEFs) and exchange traded funds (ETFs). Those two types of funds are almost identical to mutual funds as far as what they invest in, but they have several key advantages: 1) They are traded like stocks, meaning you can instantly buy them at any time of day, as opposed to mutual funds, for which you enter a buy/sell order and have to wait until 6:30 pm to find out what the closing price was for the day. 2) Buying/selling mutual funds is very expensive compared to ETFs/CEFs -- Ameritrade charges $49.99 for each mutual fund transaction (that's $100 to buy and sell a fund), while ETFs/CEFs only cost $9.99 per trade. The best place to research ETFs/CEFs is at EtfConnect.com, see a sample search at http://www.etfconnect.com/select/rank/default.asp?fType=1&oType=6 Another good place is CEFA, http://www.closed-endfunds.com/FundSelector/Classifications.fs#ClassDetailResults , and so is http://seekingalpha.com/page/etf-finder?source=sector You got me thinking about possible bond funds (everyone is fleeing the stock market and flocking to bonds so the prices are going up), and I did some research on Ameritrade for some "safish" funds that own long-term or intermediate term government securities and I was surprised at how good the performance of some of them were, both YTD and 3 year returns. The top ten YTD are: RYADX BTFTX WHOSX GVPSX BTTNX CPTNX FTGSX DRGIX FIGIX SNGVX You then go to http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pm?s=RYADX and read, in particular, the fund profile, it's holdings, and the fund perfomance vs. it's peers. The fund I used in my example, RYADX, is one I wouldn't buy because although it's the best YTD performer, it will borrow money to buy bonds. That's akin to buying stock options on margin, something that can be highly rewarding but very risky. Also pay careful attention to fees such as "load fees", an initial purchase fee than can be as high as 5.75%, management expense ratios, which you need to deduct from the yield to determine your true return (although some websites automatically include these fees when showing total returns), and any early redemption fees -- some funds will confiscate part of your money if you don't hold the fund for a minimum amount of time. This fee is meant to discourage market timing. One risk of owning bonds is that some of them are tied to the fed discount rate, so they are best owned during falling interest rate environments -- if interest rates rise, the bond value falls (bond prices are inversely proportional to their yield). The only way to protect yourself from those market swings is to actually puchase bonds yourself, but then you have to hold them to maturity just like CDs. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 21:05:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Investment advice needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcbeur$bjt$1@news.spamcop.net... Everyone thinks that now with the bailout everything will be hunky > dory, and I don't believe that's true, at least not yet, not with the huge > job losses and the credit being shut down. Tru'dat. I don't know whether CD's are > protected in case of a collapse, every time I've thought of buying one > something happened! > Your CDs are safe, you have FDIC insurance up to $100,000. I think the bailout bill may have raised that insurance to $250,000 per account for some time frame. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 21:10:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No end to the greed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gce44v$uho$1@news.spamcop.net... > What's coming out about Lehman brothers now is sickening. Even as the > company was going under, they approved 20 MILLION more in bonuses for > executives. And 484 MILLION for the chairman? Sickening doesn't even start to cover it.....on top of that, today Citigroup sued Wells Fargo for poaching it's attempted government sponsored buyout of Wachovia. WF offered $15 billion for the entire company, but Citigroup only offered $2.1 billion for the "good part" of the bank. If WF wins in court and gets the company, it triggers $225 million in golden parachutes for the execs at Wachovia. Talk about mis-earned bonuses! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 21:13:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E62F5C31A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Well, I managed to get rid of most of the black mold in the shower by >> simply leaving the glass shower door open instead of closed after use. > > OK. So, basically... You don't know that it's the killer mold or > whatever > they call it. And you just improved ventilation. Well, I suspect these > folks will want to do the same thing. I still want them to come down in > price, you know? The roof will need replaced in the next few years... Thanks for the reminder. I bought 3 home mold test kits on Saturday and I need to go check them at 9:30 tonite, a few minutes from now. I kinda hope at least one is positive, but I kinda hope they're not -- it's $30 per kit to have the sample analyzed to find out what kind of mold it is. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 22:55:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 6 23:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gced2v$npa$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Thanks for the reminder. I bought 3 home mold test kits on Saturday and I > need to go check them at 9:30 tonite, a few minutes from now. I kinda hope > at least one is positive, but I kinda hope they're not -- it's $30 per kit > to have the sample analyzed to find out what kind of mold it is. Don't get too excited - there are a lot of molds, unless there at really high levels it's not likely that they're causing your problems, unless you have the toxic mold. I had them done twice, the second one in my bedroom with the moldy rug. Nothing exciting, no elevated levels, even though the backside of the rug was black. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 6 22:59:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 6 23:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No end to the greed References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcecuh$n34$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Sickening doesn't even start to cover it.....on top of that, today > Citigroup sued Wells Fargo for poaching it's attempted government > sponsored buyout of Wachovia. WF offered $15 billion for the entire > company, but Citigroup only offered $2.1 billion for the "good part" of > the bank. If WF wins in court and gets the company, it triggers $225 > million in golden parachutes for the execs at Wachovia. Talk about > mis-earned bonuses! A friend of mine said the guy from Lehmans, Fuld, got knocked out cold by a disgruntled employee after the bankruptcy was announced. He's lucky he woke up. From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 6 23:46:10 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 6 23:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Your tax dollars at work References: Message-ID: It's a better world because of research: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081003/od_nm/us_ignobels;_ylt=AvGNfsD.saHdQZYPrnkNbCCs0NUE "Past winners include the creator of the plastic pink flamingo, a researcher who recorded a mallard duck sodomizing a dead drake and a doctor who cured hiccups by applying digital rectal massage." From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Oct 7 00:13:37 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Oct 7 00:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Your tax dollars at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > It's a better world because of research: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081003/od_nm/us_ignobels;_ylt=AvGNfsD.saHdQZYPrnkNbCCs0NUE > > "Past winners include the creator of the plastic pink flamingo, a researcher > who recorded a mallard duck sodomizing a dead drake and a doctor who cured > hiccups by applying digital rectal massage." > > > > A digital rectal massage? Sign me up! From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 7 08:49:52 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 7 08:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Your tax dollars at work References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gcenl1$b7$2@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > It's a better world because of research: | > | > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081003/od_nm/us_ignobels;_ylt=AvGNfsD.saHdQZYPrnkNbCCs0NUE | > | > "Past winners include the creator of the plastic pink flamingo, a researcher | > who recorded a mallard duck sodomizing a dead drake and a doctor who cured | > hiccups by applying digital rectal massage." | > | | A digital rectal massage? Sign me up! Any preferned to which digit. No I'm not offering but likely can put in a good word on your behalf. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 10:36:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Your tax dollars at work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gcenl1$b7$2@news.spamcop.net... > > A digital rectal massage? Sign me up! You actually *enjoy* getting you prostate exam?!?! Sheesh, I nearly pass out! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 10:41:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcej3b$7of$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Don't get too excited - there are a lot of molds, unless there at really > high levels it's not likely that they're causing your problems, unless you > have the toxic mold. I had them done twice, the second one in my bedroom > with the moldy rug. Nothing exciting, no elevated levels, even though the > backside of the rug was black. > How do I know if it's a toxic mold without paying to get it tested? And what constitutes "elevated levels"? Two out of the three samples turned out positive, the one in my basement (which has flooded 4 times) and the one in my living room (which has flooded once). Both petri dishes have one round white fuzzy mold colony growing in them, about 2-3 mm in diameter right now. It kinda looks like the white powderish mold that grows on bread sometimes. The one placed in my bathroom where I had the black mold problem was clean, thankfully. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 10:45:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No end to the greed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcejaj$8as$1@news.spamcop.net... > A friend of mine said the guy from Lehmans, Fuld, got knocked out cold by > a disgruntled employee after the bankruptcy was announced. He's lucky he > woke up. > Some of those guys are lucky they haven't been SHOT buy disgruntled employees! Do you realize how many people just lost the majority of their retirement savings because the bank they worked for went under and they owned too much company stock? Some places don't make it an option, you get stock instead of cash in your 401k (like the company that bought out my old one). If they "chose" to buy stock on their own account, then that's on them for sheer stupidity for not being diversified. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:02:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcam4v$9pg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Tax folk jumped everyone's taxes for the 3 time in a row by a good bit and > in a declining market. Most just ate the increase. Some of the neighbors > hired O'Connor & Asso. to do battle with the tax bunch. For the most > part > no joy. It appears OCA uses a boiler plate approach but I'm guessing base > on left handed observations Businesses around here frequently challenge their assessment (everyone is re-assessed every 3 years), but I haven't heard of homeowners doing it. Then again housing prices haven't plummeted here either. They've gone down, but not like in FL and CA. One good thing is most of the counties have phase-in rules with capped rates, meaning if your taxes "should" go up 20% based on an increased house value you are capped at paying at most a 5% increase phased in over 3 years. Of course, that "unpaid" tax keeps piling up over the years, so when you sell the new owner has to pay the full assessment tax from then on. Makes one want to stay in your house forever if you bought it a long time ago.....hell, unless I get married again (hah!) I probably WILL stay here, although it's going to get more costly as appliances start to wear out and major maintainance comes due. I keep repairing my deck french doors, but they'll eventually rot too much for me to fix them by making replacement parts. It'll cost $4k-$5k to have them replaced, that's some serious cash! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:04:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2EBDCA2B54DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Saving 30% on our property taxes would be enough for our entire family to > take a week-long (or more) vacation in Europe. 30% of my property tax wouldn't even cover 2 of my monthly car payments ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:09:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2FD456E36F4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > OK. It must have been too good to be true since I didn't get the call > today... The call saying that they wouldn't charge me escrow. I supposed > that's just as well - it's better to live in your means and all. But it > still sucks. I just want the house search to be over, you know? You're trying to buy a house without paying into an escrow account for taxes? I've never heard of any kind of loan like that! I got burned big time at settlement, they neglected to include the escrow in the estimated closing costs and I had to cough up over $1000 right then and there, almost all the cash I had left. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:17:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gc9qnc$stk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: >> The stock market showed their disdain for the bill on Friday, that's for >> sure. If they had passed the original bill, happy days may have >> returned...now, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's buying it as a >> good thing. > > Despite the pork, the bill that was passed may be better for taxpayers > than the earlier versions: > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95395712 The only part of the TARP plan I have confidence in is "One set of asset managers will handle securities, while another set will handle whole loans. Whole loan asset managers will handle products including residential mortgages" The feds will renegotiate mortgage loan terms to allow people to stay in their houses. Why the banks didn't do that is beyond my belief. Greed? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:20:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcafgb$ep7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > There's no doubt it's better than giving someone a 700 billion dollar > blank check with not oversight, but how un-American is it to pad the bill > with 150 bn in EXTRA pork when the financial system is next to collapse > (to hear them talk)? Pure, unadulterated greed. How'bout this one for sheer ridiculousness? "As for the pork, some of the $150 billion in tax breaks attached to the Senate version of the bill seemed targeted with laser-precision at recalcitrant legislators. Take the provision that exempts wooden arrows from an excise tax, benefiting a company in Oregon where four representatives had previously voted against the bill - a third of last Monday's vote shortfall.." From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:23:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2E63815796ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> ow, more DC bullshit as usual and nobody's >> buying it as a good thing. > > No it isn't a good thing. I need the banks to buy it enough to drop rates > for my house. Come on, people! Loosen up with the cash! In case you haven't heard, the banks don't HAVE any cash to loan! And it's going to take about 4 weeks for the TARP plan to get started, so don't count on any quick help. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:26:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: I can't freakin' stand it...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gc9l9p$cff$1@news.spamcop.net... The judge toyed with some kind of idea > about rescheduling my case because the officer wasn't there -- but I > wasn't buying into that. I had traveled to Houston from out of town to > appear. They allowed to do that in Texax? In MD, it's a one shot deal, unless the defendant asks for a continuance. Cop doesn't show, you're automagically not guilty because there was no witness to your offense at court during your "trial". From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:31:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: WOW. I can't believe the current Admin. are trying to pull this one on us... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gc3clh$c45$1@news.spamcop.net... > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Zootal wrote: >>> Who reads newspapers, but can't name the ones they read? >> >> Is that a trick question? > > It (the original inference: "I wonder if you can name the newspapers you > read.") is a 'trick question' - in the manner of the trick question > elaborated in the movie "My Cousin Vinny" (during Lisa's voie dire) "Your Honor, may I treat the witness as hostile?" "You think this is hostile? Just wait until we get home!" Damn, that was one funny movie ;-) And Marisa was beyond hot! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:35:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-E4E6E1.08461701102008@killface.local... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> Sounds a lot like "Sadam has WMD ..." with a bit of Chicken Little for >> color. > > Yep. And why exactly do we need the FDIC insurance cap raised to > $250000 per account? Seriously. Who the &*%#* has that kind of cash in a > single account at a bank? Lots of people. In their IRAs. It's a great new law IMO. Prior to that, you had to open multiple accounts at multiple banks to protect your IRA cash (which is assumably in CDs or bonds). From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 11:48:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 11:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Am I miss reading things or In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-A69272.17173102102008@killface.local... > In article , > Charles wrote: > >> Yes, you are more of a risk taker. And you'd have lost your bet, here, >> so far, as the market has tanked. > > Short term investments are usually less risky and don't generally > lose value when the stock market does. It does look like even t-bills > have done poorly in the last three months. I'm with Charles here, I wouldn't dare risk that house money by investing it. And why not open an ING Direct account, currently paying 3.5% for amounts over $100k? That'll earn you over $700 per month in interest (based on $250k) while you wait with no risk of loss of capital. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 12:10:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B2A6D5FE1A32TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > My ISP's reaction to the NCMEC MOU follows. > Other related items: > shuts-off-access>: comcast cuts NNTP access Those fscking greedy bastards! Not only do they take away access to usenet (something I don't use anway), replacement cost about $8, next month my cable bill is going up $7 (about 6%)!! So they just effectively raised my bill by almost 10% in one month! FIOS may be coming to this house sooner than I thought. Had a sales guy come by a couple weeks ago, we sat down and talked for about 1/2 hour, compared prices for all services, and they came out about equal. Now things have changed -- and Verizon doesn't charge for HD channels either, so if I upgrade my TV (not affordable right now) they would REALLY be cheaper. And they've added Comcast Sportstnet to their channel list, the main reason I was refusing to make the switch (lots of local sports games are carried on that channel, I can't/won't go without it). Verizon is currently offering a free DVR for one year that lets you play recorded shows in another room (dunno how that works, but it sounds like a nice feature). Does anyone here have Verizon FIOS service? My biggest questions/fears are about having to rewire my audio system and losing my PIP capability. I really need to see the backside of both the converter box and the DVR -- how do I find that info? And how do I get service to my TVs that don't have converter boxes? Do they install some kind of boxen where the fiber enters the house and plug the rest of my existing cable wiring into that? From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 7 12:04:46 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs References: Message-ID: Indigo" wrote in message news:gcftpm$c6r$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Charles" wrote in message | news:Xns9B2EBDCA2B54DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | > | > Saving 30% on our property taxes would be enough for our entire family to | > take a week-long (or more) vacation in Europe. | | 30% of my property tax wouldn't even cover 2 of my monthly car payments ;-) ' Do you drive a cheap car or have low property tax? or both? From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 7 12:13:15 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs References: Message-ID: "Indigo" | | Makes one want to stay in your house forever if you bought it a long time | ago.....hell, unless I get married again (hah!) I probably WILL stay here, | although it's going to get more costly as appliances start to wear out and | major maintainance comes due. I keep repairing my deck french doors, but | they'll eventually rot too much for me to fix them by making replacement | parts. It'll cost $4k-$5k to have them replaced, that's some serious cash! My daughter just purchased several a really nice sets of F-doors. Those exposed to the weather were new those inside were used, both sets came from an architectural salvage builders over stock store. You have to watch their stock and buy when what you want is there (as in RIGHT now) but you can get some real deals. Not sure of the numbers but I think she has less then $1500 total in the two sets. Used set will require some repair and both will require installation but still ... From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 7 12:23:03 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcg1m7$qao$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Charles" wrote in message | news:Xns9B2A6D5FE1A32TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | > My ISP's reaction to the NCMEC MOU follows. | > Other related items: | > shuts-off-access>: comcast cuts NNTP access | | Those fscking greedy bastards! Not only do they take away access to usenet | (something I don't use anway), replacement cost about $8, next month my | cable bill is going up $7 (about 6%)!! So they just effectively raised my | bill by almost 10% in one month! | | FIOS may be coming to this house sooner than I thought. Had a sales guy come | by a couple weeks ago, we sat down and talked for about 1/2 hour, compared | prices for all services, and they came out about equal. Now things have | changed -- and Verizon doesn't charge for HD channels either, so if I | upgrade my TV (not affordable right now) they would REALLY be cheaper. And | they've added Comcast Sportstnet to their channel list, the main reason I | was refusing to make the switch (lots of local sports games are carried on | that channel, I can't/won't go without it). | | Verizon is currently offering a free DVR for one year that lets you play | recorded shows in another room (dunno how that works, but it sounds like a | nice feature). | | Does anyone here have Verizon FIOS service? My biggest questions/fears are | about having to rewire my audio system and losing my PIP capability. I | really need to see the backside of both the converter box and the DVR -- how | do I find that info? And how do I get service to my TVs that don't have | converter boxes? Do they install some kind of boxen where the fiber enters | the house and plug the rest of my existing cable wiring into that? Watch out on the phone service. I understand that once the Fios is in (and copper is out) Verizon does not honor requrest for alternate providers. FWIW my son had TW and pulled the plug over bad support. I have Charter and would LOVE to get away from their BS. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 16:10:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Tue Oct 7 16:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] After Bailout, AIG Execs Head to California Resort Message-ID: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5973452&page=1 Rescued by Taxpayers, $440,000 for Retreat Including "Pedicures, Manicures" By BRIAN ROSS and TOM SHINE October 7, 2008 Less than a week after the federal government committed $85 billion to bail out AIG, executives of the giant AIG insurance company headed for a week-long retreat at a luxury resort and spa, the St. Regis Resort in Monarch Beach, California, Congressional investigators revealed today. "Rooms at this resort can cost over $1,000 a night," Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA) said this morning as his committee continued its investigation of Wall Street and its CEOs. AIG documents obtained by Waxman's investigators show the company paid more than $440,000 for the retreat, including nearly $200,000 for rooms, $150,000 for meals and $23,000 in spa charges. ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 16:52:18 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Tue Oct 7 16:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra affair Message-ID: If the Repubs want to play that guilt-by-association game... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_iran_contra From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 18:34:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 7 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcfseh$5q4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > How do I know if it's a toxic mold without paying to get it tested? And > what constitutes "elevated levels"? Two out of the three samples turned > out positive, the one in my basement (which has flooded 4 times) and the > one in my living room (which has flooded once). Both petri dishes have one > round white fuzzy mold colony growing in them, about 2-3 mm in diameter > right now. It kinda looks like the white powderish mold that grows on > bread sometimes. The one placed in my bathroom where I had the black mold > problem was clean, thankfully. You have to get it tested to know what kind it is, you should send them in because I was surprised at the variety, four or five different kinds, but I"m saying don't get too excited about it being anything earth shattering. If you want to email me I can give you a sample of the report they sent me, identifying all different kinds and whether or not they were at elevated levels (they weren't). It was ProLab, I think I bought the kits at Ace hardware or something. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 23:42:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Why loan me the money? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3080B9A5C75TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> I got burned big time at settlement, they neglected to include the escrow >> in the estimated closing costs and I had to cough up over $1000 right >> then and there, almost all the cash I had left. > > Several comments... You closed and only had $1k above estimated closing > costs? Wow was that ever unclever. And, if your taxes were only $1k a > year, well, the house value must sure be small. I had to scrape together every penny from anywhere I could get it to come up with the closing costs, including my big bin of coins ;-) I had about $1500 left over to buy curtains and blinds and stuff, had to charge all the appliances (new house, came with no fridge or washer/dryer). And yeah, the taxes and house value in 1993 were pretty small. I bought because taking the mortgage interest write-off into account I was paying more for my apartment rent than what my mortgage would cost (not including $50/mo PMI). From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 23:47:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcg2dt$u35$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Watch out on the phone service. I understand that once the Fios is in > (and > copper is out) Verizon does not honor requrest for alternate providers. I spent half the day researching it, and there's no frigging way I'm getting Verizon FIOS. You have to buy at minimal a simple digital converter for every TV in your house (with Comcast digital at least I can get up to channel 73 with my analog TVs). And the Motorola dual tuner DVRs Verizon currently offers do not support PIP. I think I found a work around, but overall it's not worth it. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 23:48:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcg245$t1u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Indigo" wrote in message > | > | 30% of my property tax wouldn't even cover 2 of my monthly car payments > ;-) ' > > Do you drive a cheap car or have low property tax? or both? > Relatively expensive car, but low property taxes thanks to the rate caps. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 23:54:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcg249$t1u$2@news.spamcop.net... > > My daughter just purchased several a really nice sets of F-doors. Those > exposed to the weather were new those inside were used, both sets came > from > an architectural salvage builders over stock store. > It's not the direct cost of the replacement doors that'll get me, it's the installation cost. These houses were built on the cheap using abnormally sized windows and doors (every window blind had to be custom ordered) that I guess the builder picked up on the cheap because they were weird sizes. My physical therapist owns a rental condo up the street from me, she had the same problem (non-standard french door size), so most of the cost was labor. They had to rip out the entire door frame and trim, redo the drywall and everything else, it was a frigging nightmare, a huge job. I spent 3 years looking for a place that could custom make me a sliding screen door! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 7 23:58:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcgo5l$gh6$1@news.spamcop.net... > You have to get it tested to know what kind it is, you should send them in > because I was surprised at the variety, four or five different kinds, but > I"m saying don't get too excited about it being anything earth shattering. > If you want to email me I can give you a sample of the report they sent > me, identifying all different kinds and whether or not they were at > elevated levels (they weren't). It was ProLab, I think I bought the kits > at Ace hardware or something. > Mine are ProLab too. The two white globs of mold have quadrupled in size overnight, I definitely need to get them analyzed. Tempted to only send in one since they look identical. You have my email addy, don't you? The fastmail or yahoo one? I'd like to see the report you got. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 8 00:10:40 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gchag4$9vj$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:gcg2dt$u35$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Watch out on the phone service. I understand that once the Fios is in | > (and | > copper is out) Verizon does not honor requrest for alternate providers. | | I spent half the day researching it, and there's no frigging way I'm getting | Verizon FIOS. You have to buy at minimal a simple digital converter for | every TV in your house (with Comcast digital at least I can get up to | channel 73 with my analog TVs). And the Motorola dual tuner DVRs Verizon | currently offers do not support PIP. I think I found a work around, but | overall it's not worth it. Don't bet on Comcast continuing the 73 analog. We had Charter in both NC and Texas. Texas you now get 20 analog channels that are basically crap and unreliable. Each box for digital cost 8-$10. NC you still get ~ 70 channels but I doubt that will continue. My son had TW in DFW and gave up the lot over poor support and billing games. My daughter (dfw) has sat and is very happy with it. Lots of good programming and the price is competitive. My DIL (also DFW) has charter but only so long as the special is honored which I give another 3 to 6 months. I have charter internet but only as it's the only game in town. (dsl is more expensive and has very poor support). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 00:15:32 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More homebuying bs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gchaiq$aea$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > > Relatively expensive car, but low property taxes thanks to the rate caps. Forgot to add.....another 9% drop in my ROTH and trading accounts today.....OUCH! Down 50% now in each of them....Borg, that's why I warned you to stay out of the market! I was already too far in the red to swallow the losses and sell, but this has to end sometime, right? RIGHT? Things are totally insane right now. I have one stock, DRYS, a dry bulk shipper, that is currently trading at a P/E ratio of about 1! A "normal" P/E is between 10 and 15, which means the stock is worth 10-15 times the earnings. For a company making $20 per share, it's current price oughta be $150-$200, at least. I just cannot believe the panic and craziness that's going on right now, it's mind boggling! Yes, Charles, that was my BIG mistake trade in the last 6-9 months. Damn, if I could have seen this coming I could have bought almost 4 times as many shares as I own now! And before you jump on me for messing around in the market when I've been warning everyone else to steer clear, I'm talking about pocket change I have invested in that stock compared to my 401k total value. I bought it knewing it was a risky bet, and I got spanked, but I still can't believe the price it's trading at....it makes absolutely no sense! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 00:16:56 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gchc16$ekl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Don't bet on Comcast continuing the 73 analog. We had Charter in both NC > and Texas. Texas you now get 20 analog channels that are basically crap > and > unreliable. Each box for digital cost 8-$10. NC you still get ~ 70 > channels but I doubt that will continue. Why not? Comcast made the switch to all digital many months ago. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 8 00:28:19 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gchc7o$fhv$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:gchc16$ekl$1@news.spamcop.net... | > Don't bet on Comcast continuing the 73 analog. We had Charter in both NC | > and Texas. Texas you now get 20 analog channels that are basically crap | > and | > unreliable. Each box for digital cost 8-$10. NC you still get ~ 70 | > channels but I doubt that will continue. | | Why not? Comcast made the switch to all digital many months ago. How much do they charge for renting the digital box? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 01:00:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 01:05:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gchct6$gsg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > | > | Why not? Comcast made the switch to all digital many months ago. > > How much do they charge for renting the digital box? > > Dunno exactly what I pay for the two premium STB's I have (it's around $5/mo or so), but the other TVs are "cable ready" and I just have them connected with analog co-ax cables. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 8 01:20:36 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 8 01:25:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" | > | | > | Why not? Comcast made the switch to all digital many months ago. | > | > How much do they charge for renting the digital box? | > | > | Dunno exactly what I pay for the two premium STB's I have (it's around $5/mo | or so), but the other TVs are "cable ready" and I just have them connected | with analog co-ax cables. You may have analog and not know it. Daughter had cable ready entertainment center and still had to 'rent a box' for her first TV with an up charge for every other TV she had. We had cable read TV in NC and it worked. Moved to DFW and it would not work on Charter but did on TW. Old time tv (13 Channels) would work on Charter in NC (not well in DFW) and on TW in DFW. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 06:40:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 8 06:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gchb4j$btl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Mine are ProLab too. The two white globs of mold have quadrupled in size > overnight, I definitely need to get them analyzed. Tempted to only send in > one since they look identical. > > You have my email addy, don't you? The fastmail or yahoo one? I'd like to > see the report you got. Nope, but email the spamvireslayer at yahoo addy and I'll send it to you. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 15:45:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gci2mm$rn$1@news.spamcop.net... > Nope, but email the spamvireslayer at yahoo addy and I'll send it to you. You got's mail...... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 16:12:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 8 16:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gchfvh$mn7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You may have analog and not know it. Daughter had cable ready > entertainment > center and still had to 'rent a box' for her first TV with an up charge > for > every other TV she had. But she got FIOS, didn't she? That's what I'm trying to avoid, needing a box for every TV. > > We had cable read TV in NC and it worked. Moved to DFW and it would not > work on Charter but did on TW. Old time tv (13 Channels) would work on > Charter in NC (not well in DFW) and on TW in DFW. > Comcast switched my area to all digital about two months ago. They moved duplicate NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX channels from within the 2-13 range up to the 190's -- in my location, I recieve those channels from both Baltimore and DC. And when I was getting analog signals, I got reception from 2-83 on my cable ready TVs. Now they only go up to channel 72, and channel 9, for instance, one of those DC stations that was moved, is just fuzz. I think I made my Comcast equipment mad at me last night for considering FIOS.....when I sat down to watch NCIS last night I could get either sound and no picture or picture but no sound depending on what I set the various A/V equipment switches to....for some wierd reason the digital outputs from the cable box weren't working. I have a digital co-ax line going from the box to my stereo, checked the connections, no joy. I then ran RCA lines from the RCA audio outputs on the STB to the front inputs on my stereo, still nothing. However, watching thru the DVD player connection (a simple co-ax line from the STB to the player) I could watch any channel, and watching thru the STB bypass setup I have for using PIP -- a splitoff raw cable feed co-ax line the runs straight to the TV, with speaker outputs from the TV going into the stereo, also worked, but then I was limited to channels below 72. I turned the cable box off, then when I turned it back on the display was blank and I got no signal at all from any output! In desperation, I thought maybe I could reset the box by unplugging it like you do when your modem connection goes out, and after I plugged it back in I finally I had full functionality back. In the meantime, I missed most of the damn TV show! That complicated setup is exactly why I don't want to switch to FIOS, I'd have to rewire everything, and Verizon's Motorala STB's and DVRs don't support PIP functionality even though they have dual tuners. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Can't go thru football season without PIP! From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 8 18:19:24 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcj46m$4ek$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:gchfvh$mn7$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > You may have analog and not know it. Daughter had cable ready | > entertainment | > center and still had to 'rent a box' for her first TV with an up charge | > for | > every other TV she had. | | But she got FIOS, didn't she? That's what I'm trying to avoid, needing a box | for every TV. No she HAD charter cable. Charter cable changes the rules and required she rent a box for each TV she had in the house. | > We had cable read TV in NC and it worked. Moved to DFW and it would not | > work on Charter but did on TW. Old time tv (13 Channels) would work on | > Charter in NC (not well in DFW) and on TW in DFW. | > | | Comcast switched my area to all digital about two months ago. They moved | duplicate NBC, CBS, ABC, and FOX channels from within the 2-13 range up to | the 190's -- in my location, I recieve those channels from both Baltimore | and DC. And when I was getting analog signals, I got reception from 2-83 on | my cable ready TVs. Now they only go up to channel 72, and channel 9, for | instance, one of those DC stations that was moved, is just fuzz. | | I think I made my Comcast equipment mad at me last night for considering | FIOS.....when I sat down to watch NCIS last night I could get either sound | and no picture or picture but no sound depending on what I set the various | A/V equipment switches to....for some wierd reason the digital outputs from | the cable box weren't working. I have a digital co-ax line going from the | box to my stereo, checked the connections, no joy. I then ran RCA lines from | the RCA audio outputs on the STB to the front inputs on my stereo, still | nothing. However, watching thru the DVD player connection (a simple co-ax | line from the STB to the player) I could watch any channel, and watching | thru the STB bypass setup I have for using PIP -- a splitoff raw cable feed | co-ax line the runs straight to the TV, with speaker outputs from the TV | going into the stereo, also worked, but then I was limited to channels below | 72. I turned the cable box off, then when I turned it back on the display | was blank and I got no signal at all from any output! In desperation, I | thought maybe I could reset the box by unplugging it like you do when your | modem connection goes out, and after I plugged it back in I finally I had | full functionality back. In the meantime, I missed most of the damn TV show! | | That complicated setup is exactly why I don't want to switch to FIOS, I'd | have to rewire everything, and Verizon's Motorala STB's and DVRs don't | support PIP functionality even though they have dual tuners. Dumb, dumb, | dumb. Can't go thru football season without PIP! Don't know PIP from Adam's house cat. As to FIOS I don't want to get into bed with a carrier and a system that's 'my way or the highway' From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 18:51:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcjbma$6dv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Don't know PIP from Adam's house cat. As to FIOS I don't want to get into > bed with a carrier and a system that's 'my way or the highway' And you think Comcast, or any of the rest of them, are any different? I'm escalating the hell out of my beef with Comcast, so far they've offered me three months free, plus six months half price internet, THEN made the mistake of treating me like I'm too stupid to know when a new cable has been laid to my house or not. It hadn't been, and rather than check it out, or even simpler, ask the tech (whose name and phone number I provided) what kind of cable I STILL had instead of the bigger cable they told me I needed, they told me they 'couldn't verify my story'. They also said that the contractor they used hadn't had a problem in 9 years, so I must be wrong. I unleashed the freakin' hounds and said what they offered me isn't nearly enough for putting up with crap service and the runaround for a year and then being told I couldn't possibly know what happened in my own house and demanded to be forwarded to his superior...now they're "investigating". From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 18:58:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No end to the greed References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcfslj$6dn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Some of those guys are lucky they haven't been SHOT buy disgruntled > employees! Do you realize how many people just lost the majority of their > retirement savings because the bank they worked for went under and they > owned too much company stock? Some places don't make it an option, you get > stock instead of cash in your 401k (like the company that bought out my > old one). If they "chose" to buy stock on their own account, then that's > on them for sheer stupidity for not being diversified. I want to know if the law says those greedy jackasses at AIG can be prosecuted for spending 400k on a lavish retreat after the government bailed them out. I want a federal prosecutor, NOW. That kid of disgusting gluttony is why we're in this mess, fine their asses for all the millions they stole and throw them in jail. Could AIG stockholders have possibly known what was going on? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 18:58:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gcj2k6$uac$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:gci2mm$rn$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Nope, but email the spamvireslayer at yahoo addy and I'll send it to you. > > You got's mail...... Sent....... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 8 19:07:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote Message-ID: Even this clown - this is why we need to put a lot of money into education in this country.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 00:00:54 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 9 00:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Even this clown - this is why we need to put a lot of money into education > in this country.... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs Well, there's this guy: http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 And more recently, well, yeah, this guy: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1008082voter1.html Both Southern states, but it's not confined to just there: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10660404 From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 00:07:20 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Oct 9 00:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] "My fellow prisoners" Message-ID: WTF, is this guy havin' weird flashbacks to the "Hanoi Hilton"? It MORE than makes up for the "my Muslim faith" faux pas the other guy had with the vertically challenged former communications director. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 00:08:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Oct 9 00:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcjdup$ef3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:gcj2k6$uac$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Heidi" wrote in message >> news:gci2mm$rn$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Nope, but email the spamvireslayer at yahoo addy and I'll send it to >>> you. >> >> You got's mail...... > > Sent....... > Recieved and replied. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 00:18:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Oct 9 00:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcjbma$6dv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Don't know PIP from Adam's house cat. As to FIOS I don't want to get into > bed with a carrier and a system that's 'my way or the highway' > > Picure In Picture. Allow you to watch two shows at once, the "PIP'd" channel is showed in a little box that you can move around, position-wise, and my TV also allows you to change the size of the PIP box. So my TV has dual tuners, but can't read true digital signals. I'd need a DVR plus a digital converter to use PIP with my current setup, but most folks that have tried that have found that the two boxes (DVR and converter box) respond to both remotes, so you can't even make PIP work with FIOS by spending the money for an extra converter box. I think I figured out a way to jerry-rig a way out of the problem, but I couldn't prove it would work until I made the switchover, at which point I'd be stuck if it didn't work. From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 9 01:20:01 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 9 01:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcjdi7$c9g$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:gcjbma$6dv$1@news.spamcop.net... | > Don't know PIP from Adam's house cat. As to FIOS I don't want to get into | > bed with a carrier and a system that's 'my way or the highway' | | And you think Comcast, or any of the rest of them, are any different? I'm | escalating the hell out of my beef with Comcast, so far they've offered me | three months free, plus six months half price internet, THEN made the | mistake of treating me like I'm too stupid to know when a new cable has been | laid to my house or not. It hadn't been, and rather than check it out, or | even simpler, ask the tech (whose name and phone number I provided) what | kind of cable I STILL had instead of the bigger cable they told me I needed, | they told me they 'couldn't verify my story'. They also said that the | contractor they used hadn't had a problem in 9 years, so I must be wrong. I | unleashed the freakin' hounds and said what they offered me isn't nearly | enough for putting up with crap service and the runaround for a year and | then being told I couldn't possibly know what happened in my own house and | demanded to be forwarded to his superior...now they're "investigating". I had a similar problem with Charter in NC. Pictures were lousy and internet the pits. Finally borrowed a $50K test box from one of my former clients ran the test and sent the result to Charter support. Standard boiler plate response "not our problem'. I finally sent the test date to someone in the NC legislature that was also an engineer. He contacted Charter Corp. Corp took one look at his letter and the data and started a complete back bone cable replacement in our area (my node was the first on the list his was the second) Right now I'm going round and round with Charter on my emails. they are blocking both in and out (as in using a bit bucket) and will not tell me what system they are using. Same song different verse 'it's all on your side' From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 9 01:22:12 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 9 01:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gck0mh$36a$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:gcjbma$6dv$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Don't know PIP from Adam's house cat. As to FIOS I don't want to get into | > bed with a carrier and a system that's 'my way or the highway' | > | > | Picure In Picture. Allow you to watch two shows at once, the "PIP'd" channel | is showed in a little box that you can move around, position-wise, and my TV | also allows you to change the size of the PIP box. So my TV has dual tuners, | but can't read true digital signals. I'd need a DVR plus a digital converter | to use PIP with my current setup, but most folks that have tried that have | found that the two boxes (DVR and converter box) respond to both remotes, so | you can't even make PIP work with FIOS by spending the money for an extra | converter box. I think I figured out a way to jerry-rig a way out of the | problem, but I couldn't prove it would work until I made the switchover, at | which point I'd be stuck if it didn't work. PIP will work on all systems. It's a matter of hardware and most carriers will NOT spend the money to provide the service. From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 9 02:06:23 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 9 02:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcjeet$gcp$1@news.spamcop.net... | Even this clown - this is why we need to put a lot of money into education | in this country.... | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs Would that all did get to vote. NPR today had a discussion about groups (on both sides but mostly Pubs) that have printed up flyers that either state out right or at least heavly imply that if someone has a much as an out standing warrent for a traffic ticket THEY WILL BE ARRESTED if they try to vote. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 06:37:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 9 06:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Lyme doc makes an outstanding potential diagnosis today.... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gck04i$26q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:gcjdup$ef3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:gcj2k6$uac$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> "Heidi" wrote in message >>> news:gci2mm$rn$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> Nope, but email the spamvireslayer at yahoo addy and I'll send it to >>>> you. >>> >>> You got's mail...... >> >> Sent....... >> > Recieved and replied. Roger From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 06:48:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 9 06:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gcjvlm$ma$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, there's this guy: > http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2048 > > And more recently, well, yeah, this guy: > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1008082voter1.html > > Both Southern states, but it's not confined to just there: > http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10660404 oh, it's apparently everywhere, ignorant and damn proud of it...... watch the video http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/8/21251/8186/934/624523 From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 9 11:15:59 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote References: <7u2se4d56qd1d72lbmlntmtdni303ogk6c@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Evan Platt" wrote in message news:7u2se4d56qd1d72lbmlntmtdni303ogk6c@4ax.com... | On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:06:23 -0500, "Frog Prince" | wrote: | | >Would that all did get to vote. NPR today had a discussion about groups (on both sides but mostly Pubs) that have printed up flyers that either state | >out right or at least heavily imply that if someone has a much as an out | >standing warrant for a traffic ticket THEY WILL BE ARRESTED if they try to vote. | | I doubt that was ever true.. Snopes debunked it as UL. | http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/arrest.asp I have personally observed such tricks, admittedly on a limited basis, but reported to LEA & the Feds without much response. I have not observed any arrest but recall the DL checks near the poling stations in Florida? From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Oct 9 12:03:49 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yep, EVERYBODY gets a vote References: <7u2se4d56qd1d72lbmlntmtdni303ogk6c@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article <7u2se4d56qd1d72lbmlntmtdni303ogk6c@4ax.com>, Evan Platt wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >Would that all did get to vote. NPR today had a discussion about groups (on > >both sides but mostly Pubs) that have printed up flyers that either state > >out right or at least heavly imply that if someone has a much as an out > >standing warrent for a traffic ticket THEY WILL BE ARRESTED if they try to > >vote. > > I doubt that was ever true.. Snopes debunked it as UL. > http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/arrest.asp It's not true that you will be arrested at the polls if you have an outstanding warrant or other pending legal matter, yes. It _is_ true that groups allied with the GOP have put out flyers claiming that the above is true. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 16:39:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Petraeus, Gates: Talk to Taliban Message-ID: Memo to John McCain: You probably should have consulted with the leaders of our military before you launched that ill-advised smear against Obama. Just more proof that you're out of touch with reality. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27090845/ ///// With U.S. and NATO forces suffering their deadliest year so far in Afghanistan, a rising chorus of voices, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the incoming head of U.S. Central Command, have endorsed efforts to reach out to members of the Taliban considered willing to seek an accommodation with President Hamid Karzai's government. "That is one of the key long-term solutions in Afghanistan, just as it has been in Iraq," Gates told reporters Monday. "Part of the solution is reconciliation with people who are willing to work with the Afghan government going forward." Gen. David Petraeus, who will become responsible for U.S. military operations in Afghanistan as head of U.S. Central Command on Oct. 31, agreed. ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 20:00:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Esquire Magazine's (first-ever) Endorsement: Obama Message-ID: http://www.esquire.com/features/esquire-endorsements-2008/esquire-endorses-barack-obama?click=pp From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 20:22:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Great article Message-ID: it's wonderful, perfect explanation of Palin and how they're using her, and how very, very stupid her ambition really is. http://www.truthout.org/093008R In Margaret Atwood's dystopian novel, "The Handmaid's Tale," women are confined to a few, limited, gender-based tasks. They are kept in submission by the "Aunts," who reassure them that their subjugation is right. The "Aunts," according to Cynthia Boaz, have a whole lot in common with Sarah Palin. (Photo: Spencer Platt / Getty Images) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 20:25:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Woot! - Troopergate is on Message-ID: get the popcorn and watch the theatrics and the terrorist rhetoric fly.... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ap5f27TS7328&refer=us The Alaska Supreme Court refused to halt an investigation into Governor Sarah Palin's firing of the state police chief, paving the way for tomorrow's planned release of the findings. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 21:17:18 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Oct 9 21:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comments from an ISP on the NYS MOU inre: child porn online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gck4mt$fp2$2@news.spamcop.net... > > PIP will work on all systems. It's a matter of hardware and most carriers > will NOT spend the money to provide the service. > > Actually, my investigation into the matter showed that the Motorola DVR Verizon uses *is* capable of PIP with a software update, but for whatever reason they're not doing it. Their loss....absurd, when you think about it. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Oct 9 23:03:27 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Democrats vs Republicans Message-ID: I'm fascinated by the differences in the style by which the republicans badmouth the democrats as opposed to the style by which the democrats badmouth the republicans. Is that red mud vs blue mud? It is really /completely/ different, stylistically, from an independent's perspective. Naturally from that perspective, it is still pretty ugly all the way around. The democrat style is more elaborate and twisty, sophisticated -- whereas the republican style is more like a dull bludgeon. Is that based on what would appeal to the right-leaning middle vs the left-leaning middle? Hmmm. I wonder how come there isn't green mud (Nader/Gonzales) or whatever color the Barr/Root libertarian mud should be. Oops. Wait a minute. I got that wrong. Nader is Peace & Freedom here, somebody else is Green and someother body else is Independent - well, Alan Keyes is American Independent - my state doesn't have a pure Independent or a Constitution party candidate on the ballot. I /could/ just mail in my absentee/mailin ballot today and just tune it all out. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 9 23:14:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] And if you weren't convinced this was a farce... Message-ID: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/report-mccain-exploded-wi_n_133242.html Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing. The McCain campaign says the investigation has become "muddied with innuendo, rumor and partisan politics." *snort* From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 13:36:24 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Democrats vs Republicans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > It is really /completely/ different, stylistically, from an independent's > perspective. Naturally from that perspective, it is still pretty ugly all > the way around. The democrat style is more elaborate and twisty, > sophisticated -- whereas the republican style is more like a dull > bludgeon. Is that based on what would appeal to the right-leaning middle > vs the left-leaning middle? Hmmm. With all due respect, if this were a discussion of spam you would be asking the poster for something a lot more specific! > I wonder how come there isn't green mud (Nader/Gonzales) or whatever color > the Barr/Root libertarian mud should be. Oops. Wait a minute. I got > that wrong. Nader is Peace & Freedom here, somebody else is Green and > someother body else is Independent - well, Alan Keyes is American > Independent - my state doesn't have a pure Independent or a Constitution > party candidate on the ballot. "Pure" independent candidates for POTUS are rare, the most well-known examples being John Anderson in 1980 and the highly indecisive Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996. The most recent significant recent example was Nader/Camejo in 2004. There is nothing "pure" about the Constitution Party. They are on the ballot in the majority of states, but not California. Kali does have Keyes/American Independent, McKinney/Green, Barr/Libertarian and Nader/Peace and Freedom on its ballot. > I /could/ just mail in my absentee/mailin ballot today and just tune it > all out. Good luck with that! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 15:47:44 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 10 15:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] William F. Buckley's son (Christopher): Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama Message-ID: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-10/the-conservative-case-for-obama From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 17:51:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Drug-addled Cindy McCain suffers from selective amnesia Message-ID: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/08/cindy_mccain.html "The day that Senator Obama decided to cast a vote to not fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body," Cindy McCain told a crowd of several thousand here, speaking in advance of Palin and her husband. "I would suggest Senator Obama change shoes with me for just one day and see what it means to have a loved one serving in the armed services." A CNN fact check found the charge that Obama voted against troop funding to be "misleading". http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/fact-check-did-obama-vote-to-cut-funds-for-troops/ And Cindy seems to forget how many times her own husband voted AGAINST funding for the troops: "Navy Blue Wife" responds: An Open Letter to Cindy McCain on her "Cold Chill" http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2012 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/9/135341/927 "Did you get a cold chill when your husband FLAT OUT REFUSED to support the new GI Bill? "Did you get a cold chill when your husband was voting AGAINST troops' safety equipment for Iraq and Afghanistan on 3 separate occasions? "Did you feel even a cool breeze when your husband opposed mandatory downtime for our troops instead of continuing the endless swinging door of war theater tours? "Did you feel even a slight shiver when your husband voted LOCK STEP with Bush on invading Iraq and starting a war that had NOTHING to do with 9/11? "Do you feel anything knowing that 4,181 troops have been killed and 30,702 have been injured to date in Iraq and Afghanistan? "And did you even feel when your husband talked about staying in Iraq for a hundred years, risking hundreds of thousands of more troops lives? "Now, take a deep breath, Cindy. It may be a lot to take in, especially since you have been drinking your husband's kool-aid for so long. But if you can grin and bear it, take a little look-see at all the "cold chills" your husband gives my military family and me. "So, Cindy, until your husband stands up and does the right thing for our troops and veterans, sit down and SHUT THE HELL UP." ---------------------- McCain's voting record - how he REALLY "supports" the troops http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/26/123532/692/322/464441 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brandon-friedman/mccains-non-support-for-t_b_131046.html Vet groups slam McCain on voting record http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_vets_congress_reportcard_100708/ http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1973 http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?Page=Article&ID=9559 From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 18:30:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] NY Times: McCain campaign pushed Ayers story on us, not the other way around Message-ID: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14457.html ///// Bill Keller, executive editor of the Times, sees the timetable for the Ayers uproar in a very different way, however. He told Politico that the paper was motivated to report out the Ayers link because the McCain campaign has been pushing it ? not the other way around. ?We've reported the Ayers relationship before, and we had it on our to-do list for a while to take a more comprehensive look,? Keller said in an e-mail. ?When the McCain campaign began to make it a major focal point of ads and stump speeches, we decided the time was right.? ?It didn't take any prodding,? Keller continued. ?When the conversation on something controversial reaches a certain level, curious readers look to the Times to help them sort the facts from the fictions and figure out what to make of it. That's what we did.? While Palin and John McCain ? as well as talk radio and the conservative blogosphere ? continue to cite the Times report as damaging, its tone was quite the opposite. The Times? 2,100-word piece concluded that while Obama ?has played down his contacts? with Ayers ? a former leader of the Weather Underground who?s now an education professor at the University of Illinois ? ?the two men do not appear to have been close.? ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 18:31:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Fact checks on the McCain campaign's Ayers allegations Message-ID: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/did_obama_lie_about_ayers.html The McCain campaign is distorting the Obama-Ayers relationship, and exaggerating their closeness. There is no evidence that Obama has "lied" about his dealings with Ayers. It would be more accurate to say that he "told the truth slowly," a regrettable but commonplace practice among politicians seeking to avoid embarrassing questions. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/05/fact-check-is-obama-palling-around-with-terrorists/ CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved. ///// Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 10 20:50:06 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 10 20:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] From CNN - regarding Palin Message-ID: -- Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in a state official's firing but did not violate the law, an Alaska legislative panel finds. Hmm...I think she's costing McCain the election more and more every day. She isn't even VP yet and she's already abusing her authority. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Oct 10 22:09:45 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Oct 10 22:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: From CNN - regarding Palin References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > -- Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in a state official's firing but did > not violate the law, an Alaska legislative panel finds. Which report did CNN read? According to the N.Y. Times: > The public portion of the report concluded that Ms. Palin violated the Alaska > Executive Branch Ethics Act by allowing pressure to be exerted to get Trooper > Michael Wooten, her former brother-in-law, dismissed. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 10 22:12:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 10 22:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: From CNN - regarding Palin References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gcot7o$ci0$1@news.spamcop.net... > -- Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in a state official's firing but did > not violate the law, an Alaska legislative panel finds. She did, actually (and I'd love to know the possible punishments for such a violation): "For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides The legislature reaffirms that each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust." But firing Monagan was within her rights: "I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." > > Hmm...I think she's costing McCain the election more and more every day. > She isn't even VP yet and she's already abusing her authority. She's Cheney in a skirt......without the brains. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Oct 11 13:32:24 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > People blow me away. "It's OK to lie about the weight on a package I'm > shipping because Fedex overcharges." WTF kind of BS logic is this, anyway? > Let's see... You have no moral or legal grounds for your actions, but it's > still OK? It's the liberals' fault. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Oct 11 13:36:57 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Joke of the day Message-ID: Rick was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was really angry. She told him 'Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the driveway that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 10 seconds, AND IT BETTER BE THERE!!' The next morning Rick got up early and left for work. When his wife woke up she looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in the middle of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the driveway, and brought the box back in the house. She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. Rick has been missing since Friday. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 11 19:48:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Oct 11 19:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B34601199635TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > People blow me away. "It's OK to lie about the weight on a package I'm > shipping because Fedex overcharges." WTF kind of BS logic is this, > anyway? > Let's see... You have no moral or legal grounds for your actions, but > it's > still OK? It's BS logic, and stupid logic, because even if you lie about the weight, Fedex weighs the package anyway when they scan it in, and you'll get charged the correct amount for the weight, whether you lie or not. I loved the woman they punked on the radio who thought nothing of grabbing a bag of chips off the shelf, eating them while shopping, and then tossing the empty bag in the dog food section without paying for it - they pretended to be the store manager and she was still completely unrepentant about stealing, like she was entitled and they'd never miss it anyway. WTF is wrong with people? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 11 19:51:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Oct 11 19:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] No photography in historic buildings Message-ID: Has anyone else run into this or know what's behind it? I went to the Shaker Village in NH today, specifically to take some photos (I have a small photo biz on the side), and was halfway through some of the buildings when I caught a sign saying "no photograpy allowed in historic buildings". To be fair it was on the sheet that we got when we paid, but without my glasses I didn't read it. Ooops. I got some nice ones too, that otherwise I might have sold, but now I guess I won't! From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 11 20:19:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Oct 11 20:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B34CB7CBF16CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > So, this is where they say you're wrong. Because UPS/Fedex don't always > weigh the packages. Why would they think that, do they think Fedex would let people estimate the weights on their packages and never check it to make sure they're charging appropriately? My Fedex guy told me if I didn't know the weight, just estimate it as they'd weigh it anyway as it's scanned in. From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 11 20:47:42 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 11 21:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No photography in historic buildings References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcre67$r6c$1@news.spamcop.net... | Has anyone else run into this or know what's behind it? I went to the | Shaker Village in NH today, specifically to take some photos (I have a small | photo biz on the side), and was halfway through some of the buildings when I | caught a sign saying "no photograpy allowed in historic buildings". To be | fair it was on the sheet that we got when we paid, but without my glasses I | didn't read it. Ooops. I got some nice ones too, that otherwise I might | have sold, but now I guess I won't! I think the Shaker Village is under restrictions on the use of the property when it was transferred to a museum. Some may have to do with IPR and the fact that most museums and similar 'show and tell' sites sell the rights to take photos to generate cash. In some cases, especially with old art works the flash will case the art work to determinate. Before Katrina my wife had several originals of some historic value. We had these under special glass and did not allow any direct light to fall on the paintings. The issue is moot now. From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 11 20:52:50 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 11 21:15:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcrfpm$u0g$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Charles" wrote in message | news:Xns9B34CB7CBF16CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | | > So, this is where they say you're wrong. Because UPS/Fedex don't always | > weigh the packages. | | Why would they think that, do they think Fedex would let people estimate the | weights on their packages and never check it to make sure they're charging | appropriately? My Fedex guy told me if I didn't know the weight, just | estimate it as they'd weigh it anyway as it's scanned in. Interesting aside. I was just informed that the scales at UPS, FEDEX and the airlines (luggage) are not typically covered by state weight and measure laws. From joegill at removethis Sun Oct 12 00:37:37 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Oct 12 00:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No photography in historic buildings References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcre67$r6c$1@news.spamcop.net... > Has anyone else run into this or know what's behind it? I went to the > Shaker Village in NH today, specifically to take some photos (I have a > small photo biz on the side), and was halfway through some of the > buildings when I caught a sign saying "no photograpy allowed in historic > buildings". To be fair it was on the sheet that we got when we paid, but > without my glasses I didn't read it. Ooops. I got some nice ones too, > that otherwise I might have sold, but now I guess I won't! > i had heard that some building/site have sold all the 'rights' to images inside/outside etc. as a revenue source From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 13 09:55:49 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: American Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. Due to the uncertain market conditions at this present time, we advise you to sit tight on your Can, hold your Water and let go of your Gas. You may be interested to know that Northern Tissue touched a new bottom today and millions were wiped clean. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 14:27:15 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B34CB7CBF16CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> WTF is wrong with people? > > Oh, well, it must be that the economy is going to hell in a handbasket. Going? How about gone, brudda? Although today's market is a nice bright green. Don't be fooled though, it's probably a dead cat bounce. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 14:39:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gcrfpm$u0g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9B34CB7CBF16CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >> So, this is where they say you're wrong. Because UPS/Fedex don't always >> weigh the packages. > > Why would they think that, do they think Fedex would let people estimate > the weights on their packages and never check it to make sure they're > charging appropriately? My Fedex guy told me if I didn't know the weight, > just estimate it as they'd weigh it anyway as it's scanned in. I agree, those shippers MUST weigh every box because they risk overloading a plane or truck and either violate road-weight rules or crash a plane on take-off. Overloading has caused more than a few puddle jumpers (mainly island hoppers in the Caribbean) to crash on take off. They do sometimes ask passengers their weights, but they have a big problem with some folks (mainly women) refusing to reveal their true weight and/or lying about it. And as far as some airlines wanting or forcing obese people to pay for two seats, I don't have a problem with that -- they take up twice as much space, and it takes twice as much fuel to fly a 400 lb person than a 200 lb person. They _should_ pay their own "freight costs". Some PC'ers may argue that "well, the skinny people even it out!", but that doesn't fix the problem of them physically needing two seats to seat their bodies (I resisted the instinct to use the term "fat asses" ;-). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 14:47:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gcvk17$gfj$1@news.spamcop.net... > If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: American > Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. Heh. At first I thought you were giving real stock tips. But you *are* onto something. The best stocks to hide in now, or buy, are food and healthcare stocks. People still need to eat, shampoo, shave, go to the doctor/hospital etc. Stocks like Johnson & Johnson, Proctor & Gamble, YUM brands are relatively safe, the healthcare sector will really be taking off when the boomers start to move into retirement homes or "extended care" facilities. Stay away from the drug companies, though, their biggest money makers, patent protected drugs, are losing their protection within the next couple years, like Lipitor, for one. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 14:49:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:50:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gd04k9$vi9$1@news.spamcop.net... > ..... >(I resisted the instinct to use the term "fat asses" ;-). Not so I noticed. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 14:49:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 13 14:50:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gd0543$sm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:gcvk17$gfj$1@news.spamcop.net... >> If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: American >> Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. > > Heh. At first I thought you were giving real stock tips. But you *are* > onto something. The best stocks to hide in now, or buy, are food and > healthcare stocks. People still need to eat, shampoo, shave, go to the > doctor/hospital etc. Stocks like Johnson & Johnson, Proctor & Gamble, YUM > brands are relatively safe, the healthcare sector will really be taking > off when the boomers start to move into retirement homes or "extended > care" facilities. Stay away from the drug companies, though, their biggest > money makers, patent protected drugs, are losing their protection within > the next couple years, like Lipitor, for one. Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 13 15:36:07 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:gd0543$sm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Frog Prince" wrote in message >> news:gcvk17$gfj$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: >>> American >>> Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. >> >> Heh. At first I thought you were giving real stock tips. But you *are* >> onto something. The best stocks to hide in now, or buy, are food and >> healthcare stocks. People still need to eat, shampoo, shave, go to the >> doctor/hospital etc. Stocks like Johnson & Johnson, Proctor & Gamble, >> YUM brands are relatively safe, the healthcare sector will really be >> taking off when the boomers start to move into retirement homes or >> "extended care" facilities. Stay away from the drug companies, though, >> their biggest money makers, patent protected drugs, are losing their >> protection within the next couple years, like Lipitor, for one. > > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA Alternative energy products too. Despite the fact that gas is cheaper now than it has been in over a year, it is certain that fossil fuel prices will rise over time as supplies dwindle. Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, and other alternative energy solutions will become increasingly popular over the next 30 years or so...making them great for a long-term investment. From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Oct 13 15:43:25 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: American > Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. > > Due to the uncertain market conditions at this present time, we advise you > to sit tight on your Can, hold your Water and let go of your Gas. > > You may be interested to know that Northern Tissue touched a new bottom > today and millions were wiped clean. You may also want to keep an eye out for announcements of the following rumored mergers and takeovers: 1. Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W. R. Grace Co. will merge and become Hale Mary Fuller Grace. 2. Polygram Records, Warner Bros., and Zesta Crackers join forces and become Poly Warner Cracker. 3. 3M will merge with Good Year and become MMMGood. 4. Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining will merge and become ZipAudiDoDa 5. FedEx is expected to join its competitor, UPS, and become FedUP. 6. Fairchild Electronics and Honeywell Computers will become Fairwell Honeychild. 7. Grey Poupon and Docker Pants are expected to become Poupon Pants. 8. Knotts Berry Farm and the National Organization of Women will become Knott NOW! And finally.... 9. Victoria's Secret and Smith & Wesson will merge under the new name Titty Titty Bang Bang. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Oct 13 15:45:23 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Oct 13 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: No photography in historic buildings References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > In some cases, especially with old art works the flash will case the art > work to determinate. The summer I worked at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, this was the reason given for banning photography in the galleries. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 23:27:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 23:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:gd058f$195$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA Other good suggestions, as folks are expected to hold onto their cars longer and repair them (good luck with repairing a modern car on your own!). I used to do everything possible, including tearing apart the engine, but after I got my '89 T-bird Supercoupe that was all electronic everything I've done very little repair work on my cars, mostly limited to body work. Can't diagnose and repair them with a timing and vacuum gauge anymore....need a frigging computer with the diagnostic codes. Plus, those pretty engine covers that hide everything make it a PITA to find something as simple as a spark plug! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 23:29:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 23:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gd07uq$b1i$1@news.spamcop.net... > Alternative energy products too. Despite the fact that gas is cheaper now > than it has been in over a year, it is certain that fossil fuel prices > will rise over time as supplies dwindle. Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, > and other alternative energy solutions will become increasingly popular > over the next 30 years or so...making them great for a long-term > investment. The problem is picking the right stock(s). There's a lot of them with little alternative energy history, so you're basically guessing at this point, except for wind farm companies. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 13 23:47:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 13 23:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Update on mold problem in basement Message-ID: I scrubbed the hell out of the concrete with all kinds of mold killing products over several days, and still didn't like the "look" of the concrete patch. So last night I took a blow torch to the darkish patches, and damned if I didn't drive liquid water to the surface of the concrete! I guess the concrete under the washer was wet to a pretty deap level, even though I had my de-humidifier at 100% for two days right next to the wet spot. So I torched the concrete until no more water came out and the color was pretty much consistent. I've had water come up thru the basement floor before when the sump pump failed, but never at that end of the house -- it's the high end of the house, apparently. Plus it hasn't rained for a couple weeks, so there's no way the water is coming from below. On my acupuncturist and PT's insistence, I had bought the best pro respirator for sale at Lowes to protect my brain and lungs from nasty things floating in the air, during this mold remediation process, plus a multi use waterproofer/watersealer like you spray on your hiking boots to keep the seams from leaking -- it penetrates porous surfaces like my basement concrete, and man did it suck that stuff up! Of course I forgot to use the respirator while torching the concrete (didn't smell anything strange, luckily). I also got a can of permanent sealing shellac (clear coat) to top seal the surface of the concrete after I plugged the pores with the other stuff. Applied several coats of the watersealer, waiting until tomorrow for it to properly dry, then I'll spray several layers of the shellac on the concrete to keep any new washer leaks from penetrating that area. Hopefully I plugged the only potential leak point in the washer, or else this will all have been a wasted effort. I should get my mold test results at the end of this week to see if they're neurotoxic or not. Dunno what results I really want to get..... From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 00:01:58 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 00:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's ok to steal References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gd04k9$vi9$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Heidi" wrote in message | news:gcrfpm$u0g$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Charles" wrote in message | > news:Xns9B34CB7CBF16CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | > | >> So, this is where they say you're wrong. Because UPS/Fedex don't always | >> weigh the packages. | > | > Why would they think that, do they think Fedex would let people estimate | > the weights on their packages and never check it to make sure they're | > charging appropriately? My Fedex guy told me if I didn't know the weight, | > just estimate it as they'd weigh it anyway as it's scanned in. | | I agree, those shippers MUST weigh every box because they risk overloading a | plane or truck and either violate road-weight rules or crash a plane on | take-off. Overloading has caused more than a few puddle jumpers (mainly | island hoppers in the Caribbean) to crash on take off. They do sometimes ask | passengers their weights, but they have a big problem with some folks | (mainly women) refusing to reveal their true weight and/or lying about it. | | And as far as some airlines wanting or forcing obese people to pay for two | seats, I don't have a problem with that -- they take up twice as much space, | and it takes twice as much fuel to fly a 400 lb person than a 200 lb person. | They _should_ pay their own "freight costs". Some PC'ers may argue that | "well, the skinny people even it out!", but that doesn't fix the problem of | them physically needing two seats to seat their bodies (I resisted the | instinct to use the term "fat asses" ;-). Ok then underweight passingers should be granted a rebate. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 00:05:01 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 00:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:gd058f$195$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Indigo" wrote in message | news:gd0543$sm$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Frog Prince" wrote in message | > news:gcvk17$gfj$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: American | >> Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. | > | > Heh. At first I thought you were giving real stock tips. But you *are* | > onto something. The best stocks to hide in now, or buy, are food and | > healthcare stocks. People still need to eat, shampoo, shave, go to the | > doctor/hospital etc. Stocks like Johnson & Johnson, Proctor & Gamble, YUM | > brands are relatively safe, the healthcare sector will really be taking | > off when the boomers start to move into retirement homes or "extended | > care" facilities. Stay away from the drug companies, though, their biggest | > money makers, patent protected drugs, are losing their protection within | > the next couple years, like Lipitor, for one. | | Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA Understand these folk own no invantory. their supplies are boxed into 'pay on sale' deals. Not a bad deal for the company but investors need to understand there is nothing to really own especially if the lease building and computers etc. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 00:06:48 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 00:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gd07uq$b1i$1@news.spamcop.net... | Bar0 wrote: | > | > "Indigo" wrote in message | > news:gd0543$sm$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> | >> "Frog Prince" wrote in message | >> news:gcvk17$gfj$1@news.spamcop.net... | >>> If you hold any of the following stocks, you may want to review: | >>> American | >>> Can Co., Interstate Water Co., National Gas Co., Northern Tissue Co. | >> | >> Heh. At first I thought you were giving real stock tips. But you *are* | >> onto something. The best stocks to hide in now, or buy, are food and | >> healthcare stocks. People still need to eat, shampoo, shave, go to the | >> doctor/hospital etc. Stocks like Johnson & Johnson, Proctor & Gamble, | >> YUM brands are relatively safe, the healthcare sector will really be | >> taking off when the boomers start to move into retirement homes or | >> "extended care" facilities. Stay away from the drug companies, though, | >> their biggest money makers, patent protected drugs, are losing their | >> protection within the next couple years, like Lipitor, for one. | > | > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA | | Alternative energy products too. Despite the fact that gas is cheaper now | than it has been in over a year, it is certain that fossil fuel prices | will rise over time as supplies dwindle. Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, | and other alternative energy solutions will become increasingly popular | over the next 30 years or so...making them great for a long-term investment. My kids inherited interest in a wind farm. Proceeds are basically paying their power bills. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 00:12:08 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 00:15:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gd13jd$8ns$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Bar0" wrote in message | news:gd058f$195$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA | Other good suggestions, as folks are expected to hold onto their cars longer | and repair them (good luck with repairing a modern car on your own!). I used | to do everything possible, including tearing apart the engine, but after I | got my '89 T-bird Supercoupe that was all electronic everything I've done | very little repair work on my cars, mostly limited to body work. Can't | diagnose and repair them with a timing and vacuum gauge anymore....need a | frigging computer with the diagnostic codes. Plus, those pretty engine | covers that hide everything make it a PITA to find something as simple as a | spark plug! You can buy various readers that report codes, others allow you to reprogram/reset. I've not played with them but there are programs and adaptors that work on computers (lap tops for the most part). My son repairs high end RVs. He has a $600 Activa (spl) that he uses at work that is amaising. I've taught him what I learned about the black art of being a mechanic for my father and grandfather (impresses the h*ll out of his customers) but the real work is now done with a computer including filing the work order and repair reports for billing. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Oct 14 03:35:40 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Oct 14 03:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Bar0" wrote in message > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA > > Understand these folk own no invantory. their supplies are boxed into 'pay on sale' deals. I spent quite a bit of time around supply chain folks and this is not true in my experience, whether auto parts or Wal-Mart. Vendors will /manage/ retail supply ("vendor managed inventory"), but once an item goes from a distributor's (wholesale) warehouse to the retailer's warehouse, it's a sale. All retail operations, including auto parts, are trying to reduce their on-hand inventory (most held in distribution centers) to whatever "mix" will meet immediate demand. If it's only cash to the wholesaler when there's a counter sale, what's their incentive to do this? From gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid Tue Oct 14 05:58:04 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid (Opinicus) Date: Tue Oct 14 06:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Uh-oh. A talking head has seen "the light at the end of the tunnel"... Message-ID: "Swedish c.bank chief sees 'light at end of tunnel'" "These measures should help improve confidence in the financial markets and we are now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with regard to the ongoing financial crisis." http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/10/13/afx5542491.html My experience has been that any time a talking head announces that the light at the end of the tunnel has been spotted, it's usually the headlamps of the train bearing down on us... -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 08:57:27 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 09:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Anchorage Daily News Editorial on Sarah Palin References: <47f7c508-fa12-4669-98e1-e556d949338e@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: http://www.adn.com/opinion/sarah-palin/story/543289.html They've turned her into their courtesan and a cheap one at that. From joegill at removethis Tue Oct 14 09:38:14 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Oct 14 09:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Update on mold problem in basement References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gd14ot$b9k$1@news.spamcop.net... >I scrubbed the hell out of the concrete with all kinds of mold killing >products over several days, and still didn't like the "look" of the >concrete patch. So last night I took a blow torch to the darkish patches, >and damned if I didn't drive liquid water to the surface of the concrete! I >guess the concrete under the washer was wet to a pretty deap level, even >though I had my de-humidifier at 100% for two days right next to the wet >spot. So I torched the concrete until no more water came out and the color >was pretty much consistent. I've had water come up thru the basement floor >before when the sump pump failed, but never at that end of the house -- >it's the high end of the house, apparently. Plus it hasn't rained for a >couple weeks, so there's no way the water is coming from below. > > On my acupuncturist and PT's insistence, I had bought the best pro > respirator for sale at Lowes to protect my brain and lungs from nasty > things floating in the air, during this mold remediation process, plus a > multi use waterproofer/watersealer like you spray on your hiking boots to > keep the seams from leaking -- it penetrates porous surfaces like my > basement concrete, and man did it suck that stuff up! Of course I forgot > to use the respirator while torching the concrete (didn't smell anything > strange, luckily). I also got a can of permanent sealing shellac (clear > coat) to top seal the surface of the concrete after I plugged the pores > with the other stuff. Applied several coats of the watersealer, waiting > until tomorrow for it to properly dry, then I'll spray several layers of > the shellac on the concrete to keep any new washer leaks from penetrating > that area. > > Hopefully I plugged the only potential leak point in the washer, or else > this will all have been a wasted effort. I should get my mold test results > at the end of this week to see if they're neurotoxic or not. Dunno what > results I really want to get..... Have you tried "DryLock" paint? and then you put other paint on top of that? > From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 14 09:55:43 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 14 10:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anchorage Daily News Editorial on Sarah Palin References: <47f7c508-fa12-4669-98e1-e556d949338e@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > http://www.adn.com/opinion/sarah-palin/story/543289.html > > They've turned her into their courtesan and a cheap one at that. Just to clarify, that isn't an editorial (which would represent the opinion of the paper's editorial board), it's an opinion piece that represents just the opinion of the paper. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 14 11:27:53 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gd1i4c$ppl$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "Bar0" wrote in message | > Auto Parts, O'Reilly and NAPA | > | > Understand these folk own no invantory. their supplies are boxed into 'pay on sale' deals. | | I spent quite a bit of time around supply chain folks and this is not | true in my experience, whether auto parts or Wal-Mart. Vendors will | /manage/ retail supply ("vendor managed inventory"), but once an item | goes from a distributor's (wholesale) warehouse to the retailer's | warehouse, it's a sale. | | All retail operations, including auto parts, are trying to reduce their | on-hand inventory (most held in distribution centers) to whatever "mix" | will meet immediate demand. If it's only cash to the wholesaler when | there's a counter sale, what's their incentive to do this? Actually it is quite common. That's one of the reasons the big book stores like B&N have hammered the mom and pop book stores into the ground. Books are either pay on sale or with full return privileges often with the supplier carrying the finance paper at very very low interest rates. I'm not talking about wholesalers here I'm talking about the first level manufactures/suppliers. It's not really that bad for the supplier as they get theirs 'on sale' most often instantly. As example I buy a head light for my van. Cost me $30. I pay with cash or CC. The system automatically credits the supplier's account $24 bucks typically with up dates several times a day. Otherwise the supplier is often stuck with long net pay (think 4 months). If the dealer goes out of business before the sale the inventory still belongs to the supplier (if he's filed a UCC) not the receiver. If the inventory is sold on account the supply gets in line with all the other creditors. Given the keys (mark up multiplier) the manufacturers use these deal are not that hard to swallow. The parts are batched and in large quantities (think boat loads) often years ahead of need. Which is better having the part on a shelf in East Jesus and having to pay higher shipping rates and chance losing the sale or having part on the dealer's shelf? Recall most aftermarket parts sales are due to 'it's broke today, I'll buy it today', not 'it's going to break the day after tomorrow so I'll buy it today'. Wal Mart is an entire other animal. We have clients that supply WM et al. Margins are razor thin but the volume is huge. If you don't screw up you do ok. If there is as much as a hiccup it can put you out of business. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Oct 14 14:18:02 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Oct 14 14:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Serious stock tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> All retail operations, including auto parts, are trying to reduce their >> on-hand inventory (most held in distribution centers) to whatever "mix" >> will meet immediate demand. If it's only cash to the wholesaler when >> there's a counter sale, what's their incentive to do this? > > Actually it is quite common. That's one of the reasons the big book stores > like B&N have hammered the mom and pop book stores into the ground. Books > are either pay on sale or with full return privileges often with the > supplier carrying the finance paper at very very low interest rates. What you're referring to is a system that amazon pioneered with books, where the customer orders /online/ and the order is shipped directly from a publisher's or distributor's warehouse. At the point it was shipped to the customer, it was an invoice to amazon. > I'm not talking about wholesalers here I'm talking about the first level > manufactures/suppliers. Which in auto parts only exists for about two OEMs. The vast majority of auto parts are manufactured in Korea, and increasingly, China. They have no distribution system in this country, so they must use one of the big auto parts distributor networks. > It's not really that bad for the supplier as they get theirs 'on sale' most > often instantly. As example I buy a head light for my van. Cost me $30. I > pay with cash or CC. The system automatically credits the supplier's > account $24 bucks typically with up dates several times a day. Otherwise > the supplier is often stuck with long net pay (think 4 months). Are you buying it online? Because this simply could not work in a retail environment, and here's why: you need a headlight, you go to your local NAPA, O'Reilly, Pep Boys, whatever. They have five of the headlight SKU you need, but three came from one supplier and two came from a different supplier. Who gets the sale? I stand by my original statement: once an item goes from a distributor's (wholesale) warehouse to the retailer's warehouse, it's a sale. I know this because I have written a hundred case studies for supply chain software companies, and read maybe a thousand. Here's a single example, there are hundreds more out there: "Manhattan Associates' Replenishment solution has enabled us to reduce our inventory by $60 million with the right balance of products in our distribution centers." http://www.manh.com/library/MANH-OReilly_CaseStudy.pdf That was two years ago, when O'Reilly had only 10 DCs; now they have 15. > Wal Mart is an entire other animal. We have clients that supply WM et al. > Margins are razor thin but the volume is huge. If you don't screw up you do > ok. If there is as much as a hiccup it can put you out of business. i.e., the demise of Vlasic pickles. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 14 19:50:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 14 19:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Update on mold problem in basement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:gd27c6$g63$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Have you tried "DryLock" paint? and then you put other paint on top of > that? >> > I didn't want to "paint" that area of concrete with something like DryLock or Killz, to a potential buyer it would be like "hey, something bad happened here!". And no way I can afford the cash or effort to paint the entire basement floor. The stuff I put down tonite was actually polyurethane, not shellac, a clear finish, so no one should ever know that I "once" had a mold issue there. On that suggestion from my Lyme doc, I took that online vision test at http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com/ (a VERY useful site to peruse if you suffer from fibromyalgia related issues, Heidi) to see if neurotoxins are hurting my vision (which has been very poor lately) and overall health, and I failed the test. My Lyme doc already knows what the treatment profile is, you use this drug called Cholestyramine (CSM) for 2-6 weeks, it binds with the toxins and eliminates them from your system. Major herxing is to be expected, which can be partially relieved by pretreatment with a drug called Actos. This website is useful to explain how this doc found the problem, tests, and cure: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/3990/searchtext/neurotoxins/ My Lyme doc had made the connection between my acupuncture detox sessions where my liver gets stressed/overloaded and a severe short term drop in my health. He says the reason I feel awful the days after some acupuncture treatments is that those toxins have been stored in our bodies all our lives (plus the toxins leftover from the Lyme treatments), and when she triggers something that releases toxins from my brain or elsewhere it overloads my liver and kidneys and that's why I get so sick. The few times I've done a special 7-day herbal liver/colon/gall bladder detox I've felt like a new man afterwards, at least for a while. So mix that knowledge in with leftover Lyme disease toxins, a recurring systemic yeast infection (which I think is getting better with my new probiotic treatment), and my exposure to so many chemical neurotoxins over the last 20-25 years, he strongly believes that I am suffering from a neurological toxic syndrome on top of everything else. He has been very disturbed by my constant up and down health and my pituitary/adrenal gland problems (they're not working), and he thinks I should have been cured by now if it were simply lyme disease I was suffering from. So took I that online vision test today, and failed it. My Lyme doc already knows what the treatment profile is, you use this drug called Cholestyramine (CSM)for 2-6 weeks, it binds with the toxins and eliminates them from your system. I also have an appt. with an endocrinologist at Johns Hopkins to get a bunch of tests done on Oct 27), I've found 7 hormones/chemicals associated with the pituitary and hypothalymus gland functions that I've never been tested for from this case history while googling the VCS test and treatment today (** = never been tested for it, [xxx] = my comments) which is why I'm going to an endicrinologist. Link to the case study is at: http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/4291/searchtext/neurotoxins/ "As he examined me, then has an assistant take 12 vials of blood, he answered my other questions. He ordered several tests, including levels of ACTH [I had none in my last blood test], cortisol and **ADH (antidiuretic hormone)**. He also wanted to know my osmolality, the amount of salt in my blood [my sodium, chloride, and potassium levels are bottomed out despite taking extra electrolytes for amost 3 years now] . He also tested for **MSH** (melanocyte-stimulating hormone) and **leptin levels** (see part one of this series for a detailed description of how MSH and leptin effect patients with neurotoxic illness); ordered an **HLA-DR by PCR** (human immune response gene testing, done by polymerase chain reaction); and tested for androgen levels, including total testosterone [horrendously low in last test], androestenedione, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S) [extremely low in last test], and **MMP-9**, the enzyme that delivers inflammatory elements from the blood into the brain, lung, heart and joints. He also ordered a Tumor Necrosis Factor **(TNF)** level test; a plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 **(PAI-1)** test; and a test to see if I have a **Coag Negative Staph infection**. MMP-9 levels are increased by the immune system's response to biotoxins, and it delivers inflammatory elements into joints, lungs, heart and brain. Shoemaker's research shows that patients with high MMP-9 are often the ones who also have Unidentified Bright Objects (UBOs) on their MRIs. He believes it may be that UBOs come from ischemia (lack of oxygen), inflammation or from the same kind of demyelination that Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patients suffer from. But after treatment with Actos and CSM, MMP9 levels fall and UBOs disappear. Shoemaker believes every neurotoxic patient should know their MSH and leptin levels. Leptin initiates MSH production. The damage to the MSH production pathway (also known as leptin resistance) that's seen in neurotoxic patients is a marker for biotoxic illness. He says he answers the question, "How long will I be sick, doctor? with this: "As long as your MSH is low, you'll continue to have symptoms." MSH controls peripheral cytokine production, thought to cause inflammation throughout the body. An MSH deficiency allows cytokine production to go wild. MSH also controls defenses in mucus membranes in the nose and GI tract, which is why Shoemaker tests for Coag Neg Staph, an opportunistic colonizer found in the deep recesses of the nose. In the gut, research has yet to define the mechanism that allows people to lose nutrients into stool, often referred to as "leaky gut," and which creates the IBS symptoms like bloating, gas and cramps, diarrhea and constipation that neurotoxic patients often suffer from. MSH also controls pituitary function, which controls hormones. If you're deficient in MSH, you'll likely be deficient in ADH and prolactin, growth hormone, ACTH, LH (luteinizing hormone) and FSH (follicle-stimulating hormone) [dunno, dunno, yes, yes, and yes], says Shoemaker. "Not all patients have all of these deficiencies, but it's unlikely that an MSH-deficient patient won't have at least one." Luteinizing hormone plays an important role in controlling ovulation and in controlling the secretion of hormones by the ovaries and testes. Without androgens (male hormones like testosterone), the adverse effects of peripheral cytokines are multiplied. That dysfunction causes the rest of the hormones in your body to dysfunction, resulting in symptoms like low libido in both sexes; impotence in men and menstrual irregularities, endometriosis, sexual dysfunction and premature production of uterine fibroids in women. "Hormones may be why more women tend to get these illnesses," says Shoemaker. "It's a never-ending cycle that will continue until the source of MSH deficiency is corrected." When each of these feedback loops is damaged, each causes specific dysfunction. Lyme patients take Actos to correct the cytokine excess. Working backwards to correct the MSH deficiency, we need to remove the damage to the MSH production pathway. That means that we need to block excessive cytokine production, which comes from fat cells. Enbrel, a drug for Rheumatoid Arthritis, suppresses cytokine production, but not cytokines produced by fat cells. Only Actos does that. Actos also blocks MMP-9, excessive leptin production and turns on uncoupling proteins which burn fat directly. That process, which causes weight loss, also mobilizes fatty acids, reducing insulin resistance that in turn lowers the adverse effects of cholesterol, triglycerides and blood sugar, thus helping us avoid heart disease and diabetes. " From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 14 20:39:02 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 14 20:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Anchorage Daily News Editorial on Sarah Palin References: <47f7c508-fa12-4669-98e1-e556d949338e@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: In article , D.F. Manno wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > > http://www.adn.com/opinion/sarah-palin/story/543289.html > > > > They've turned her into their courtesan and a cheap one at that. > > Just to clarify, that isn't an editorial (which would represent the > opinion of the paper's editorial board), it's an opinion piece that > represents just the opinion of the paper. That last word should be "author," not "paper." -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 15 01:07:10 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 15 01:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The new face of campaigning References: Message-ID: While McCain is still trying to learn how to play a pin ball machine without making it tilt, the Obama campain's billboards are showing up in modern video games. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,437763,00.html "The McCain campaign will respond by buying ads at Pong consoles nationwide," joked one on the car blog Jalopnik. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 15 08:49:06 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 15 08:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Palin Message-ID: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/556346.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted#Comments_Container Comments: Alaska has: float planes helicopters marsh land oil rigs pipe lines crew boats oil spills mosquitoes hunting and fishing people that talk funny Tabasco sauce (imported) corrupt and incompetent politicians Yep Alaska is Louisiana North From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 15 14:51:35 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Fry's Electronics checking bags and receipts when you leave the store Message-ID: Ever since Fry's opened their doors here in Burbank, they've been asking people to show receipts and they've been checking your bags when you leave. I have gone through this procedure for many years so it's nothing new or surprising to me, but today for some reason it irked me especially. I don't know why. I decided to look it up online to see if they have a legal right to search my bags and the opinion is mixed. Some say they can only search if they have probably cause for shoplifting...thus risking legal damages if they try to manhandle you into letting them search your bags. Others say that it's their right because you're still on private property and such. Sometimes I am in a defiant mood and feel like testing the issue just to see what happens...but I don't want to do that unless I'm reasonably certain that I'm right. What do you guys think? Does a retailer such as Fry's have a legal right to search your bags when you leave the store? Or are they pretty much helpless unless they're flat out going to accuse you of shoplifting? From mikeyhsd at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:10:47 2008 From: mikeyhsd at hotmail.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fry's Electronics checking bags and receipts when you leave the store References: Message-ID: they are not the only ones. Best Buy , for another, has been doing it for years. -- mikeyhsd@lamparty.net "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gd5e3j$hkd$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ever since Fry's opened their doors here in Burbank, they've been asking > people to show receipts and they've been checking your bags when you > leave. I have gone through this procedure for many years so it's nothing > new or surprising to me, but today for some reason it irked me especially. > I don't know why. I decided to look it up online to see if they have a > legal right to search my bags and the opinion is mixed. > > Some say they can only search if they have probably cause for > shoplifting...thus risking legal damages if they try to manhandle you into > letting them search your bags. Others say that it's their right because > you're still on private property and such. Sometimes I am in a defiant > mood and feel like testing the issue just to see what happens...but I > don't want to do that unless I'm reasonably certain that I'm right. > > What do you guys think? Does a retailer such as Fry's have a legal right > to search your bags when you leave the store? Or are they pretty much > helpless unless they're flat out going to accuse you of shoplifting? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 19:34:44 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:35:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Sacramento Republican Party's Web site encouraged readers to "Waterboard Barack Obama" Message-ID: http://www.sacbee.com/812/story/1314854.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 19:36:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Colin Powell Is Ready To Endorse Message-ID: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/colin-powell-is-ready-to_b_134777.html When Colin Powell turns off his TV after the final presidential debate, he will have learned everything he is going to learn about the candidates vying to succeed his former boss, George W. Bush. Powell has made it clear that he has been thinking about an endorsement for a long time but wanted to hear more from the candidates before making his choice. It now seems beyond doubt that Colin Powell will endorse Barack Obama and thereby hammer the final nail in the coffin of the Republican campaign to hold onto the White House. The recent ugliness of the McCain-Palin rally audiences cannot be lost on Colin Powell. And Powell is not one to ignore a 14 point lead in a New York Times poll. But most important for Powell and the press will be his explicit rejection of the Bush-McCain approach to Iraq, Iran and the rest of the world. Powell's endorsement will be perfectly timed to dominate a news cycle or two. It will give Obama the one thing he still needs more of--credibility as Commander-In-Chief. And Sarah Palin's speechwriters will be hard pressed to come up with a condescending quip about it. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 19:36:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Palin Claims New Hampshire Is Part Of The "Great Northwest" (Video) Message-ID: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/palin-claims-new-hampshir_n_134934.html Sarah Palin drew some boos and shouts of confusion today, when while speaking in New Hampshire she mistakenly claimed that the Granite State was part of the "great Northwest." "I like being here," she told the crowd in Laconia, "because it seems like here and in our last rally too -- other parts around this great Northwest -- here in New Hampshire you just get it." From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 19:37:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Palin as President Message-ID: http://palinaspresident.com/ Move the cursor around the room, click on objects when the pointer changes to a hand. Enjoy. :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 19:48:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B38C8592E334TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Now... Now... Now the listing realtor isn't surprised at all that we'd > offer 50% of original asking price (this is a different house, eh? And > 50% > of original is 66% of current) and seems totally unconcerned by anything. > Really weird, too. I mean, this is the same realtor who completely > flipped > out back in July when we made an offer that was 5% below asking. I think that might be the faint whiff of desperation you smell........"some" commission is better than "no" commission.... This is a different place, without mold, etc.? > > Whatever. If we get this one it will be cool. Our realtor is excited. > Of > course, she should be - a sale in a slow market is a sale. Besides, the > parties we could have! Of course, we'd need to meet another few hundred > people, but that can't be that hard, can it? someone selling their hockey arena? I am stupidly looking at the real estate listings here, wishing I had my old job. CUTE little arts and crafts 2br cottage, for pretty much peanuts, and I could probably offer about 15k less and get it. Alas......and then there's that thirty something acre horse farm, for just over a mill.....which is across the road from the old transfer station so I would wonder what that's done to the water, but nice place... From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 15 20:39:43 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Home purchase vs lease Message-ID: As a general rule of thumb in this housing market, would it be considered better for someone to lease or purchase a home? I know that's a very vague question, but in a nutshell, there's a real bitch of a woman on our street who finally up and moved out. She's selling her house but also has it available for lease. I'm hoping she sells it, since that means there's no chance she'll ever be back...but I'm wondering how likely it is that someone will actually buy it as opposed to leasing. Here's the listing: http://www.realtor.com/map/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=91505&mnp=31&mxp=31&typ=1&sid=8bb647b2381a4deaa4ca6896741a067f&pg=3&lid=1102681783&lsn=28&srcnt=36 Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 15 21:15:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gd62gb$hkd$2@news.spamcop.net... > Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. With the option to buy? If not, why is that any better than renting? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 15 21:23:33 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gd62gb$hkd$2@news.spamcop.net... >> Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. > > With the option to buy? If not, why is that any better than renting? > > For the past couple weeks she had a lease purchase option. Just this morning she removed that sign and replaced it with a standard "for lease" sign. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Oct 15 21:33:07 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Palin as President References: Message-ID: In article , Republicans Are Morons wrote: > http://palinaspresident.com/ > > Move the cursor around the room, click on objects when the pointer > changes to a hand. Enjoy. :-) But whatever you do, DON'T ANSWER THE RED PHONE! -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 16 00:55:05 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 16 00:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Russian gas executives visit Palin's turf Message-ID: Anyone think the Gov of Alaska didn't know anything about it? Riggggght!! MOSCOW: A high-level delegation from the Russian energy company Gazprom met in Anchorage with state officials on Monday to talk about investing in Alaskan energy projects. The meeting came nearly three weeks after Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska talked in a television interview about her expertise in energy matters and took a hard line with Russia. Senior officials of Gazprom said at a shareholder meeting in Moscow in June that the company was seeking to take part in a consortium that is building a natural gas pipeline from Alaska to Canada. The company is also interested in investing in other energy initiatives in the state, according to a statement released by Gazprom on Tuesday about the meeting in Anchorage. "Gazprom has accumulated great experience in exploring hydrocarbon deposits, building and using gas pipelines in the far north environment," the company said in the statement. "Gazprom's experience will be relevant in realization of similar projects in Alaska." The Russian delegation at the meeting on Monday in Anchorage unexpectedly included several close associates of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The executives presented a slide show about the company's business that lasted about an hour. Eight senior Gazprom officials attended the session, including the company's chief executive, Aleksei Miller, a longtime Putin ally, and Aleksandr Golubyev, a deputy director who, like Putin, is a veteran of the KGB and who has worked with Putin for at least 17 years, according to a biography posted on the Gazprom Web site. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/15/europe/15alaska.php From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 08:22:24 2008 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Thu Oct 16 08:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Fry's Electronics checking bags and receipts when you leave the store References: Message-ID: <7ccef4ls79uid8im6hcppkccetmkj0k6ar@4ax.com> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:51:35 -0700, Borgholio wrote: >Ever since Fry's opened their doors here in Burbank, they've been asking >people to show receipts and they've been checking your bags when you >leave. I have gone through this procedure for many years so it's nothing >new or surprising to me, but today for some reason it irked me especially. > I don't know why. I decided to look it up online to see if they have a >legal right to search my bags and the opinion is mixed. > >Some say they can only search if they have probably cause for >shoplifting...thus risking legal damages if they try to manhandle you into >letting them search your bags. Others say that it's their right because >you're still on private property and such. Sometimes I am in a defiant >mood and feel like testing the issue just to see what happens...but I >don't want to do that unless I'm reasonably certain that I'm right. > >What do you guys think? Does a retailer such as Fry's have a legal right >to search your bags when you leave the store? Or are they pretty much >helpless unless they're flat out going to accuse you of shoplifting? That's going to vary from state to state, and possibly from city to city. In New York, they either must have probable cause, or they must have a sign prominently posted visible upon entry into the store saying that they reserve the right to inspect all bags/packages. CompUSA used to do this; they would not stop you from just ignoring them on your way out. -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From dfmanno at mail.com Thu Oct 16 12:21:50 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Sacramento Republican Party's Web site encouraged readers to "Waterboard Barack Obama" References: Message-ID: In article , Republicans Are Morons wrote: > http://www.sacbee.com/812/story/1314854.html Republicans have a lot of class - all of it low. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 18:24:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Russian gas executives visit Palin's turf References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gd6hf4$2p3$1@news.spamcop.net... > Anyone think the Gov of Alaska didn't know anything about it? Riggggght!! The stupid tart was quoted yesterday saying NH was in the great "Northwest". Northwest of WHAT? Bermuda? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 18:26:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The new face of campaigning References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gd3tsf$a8v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > While McCain is still trying to learn how to play a pin ball machine > without making it tilt, the Obama campain's billboards are showing up > in modern video games. Here's the new face of politics....can't you just see the billboards? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/strange-mccain-post-debat_n_135325.html From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 18:37:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Ah, Joe the Plumber, we hardly knew ye...... Message-ID: http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/September-October-08/Joe-the-Plumber-Not-All-He-s-Cracked-Up-to-Be.html Yet with fame comes scrutiny, and Joe is no exception. As facts continued to leak out Thursday, it became apparent that Joe the Plumber is neither Joe nor plumber, leading some McCain critics to call the situation "Plumbergate." Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher voiced concern that Obama's proposed tax policy would put the lid on his plans to buy a plumbing company. Although he does run a plumbing business, according to an official at the Local 50 of the Toledo plumbers' union, Wurzelbacher has never been a licensed plumber, nor has he held an apprenticeship, and is not a member of the union. Although Ohio does not have a statewide licensure process for plumbers, Toledo does grant plumbing licenses. "I can't find that he's ever even applied for any kind of apprenticeship, and he has never belonged to local 189 in Columbus, which is what he claims on his Facebook page," a union official told The New York Times. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 21:28:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 16 21:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? Good grief! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B395A617B8BATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > And then... Mortgage interest rates have gone up incredibly over the past > week! Good freaking grief! Market Watch says, "Mortgage Rates Post > Biggest Increase in 21 Years." That's nuts. Arg. I sure hope all of > this > BS the gov't is doing drops the fricking rates a bit - I'm trying to buy a > house. Hello! Don't they listen??? What rates are you getting? I just did a search, (bankrate.com) presuming I'd have money to put down , 20%, and the rates go from 6.34 to 7.46, although if you're borrowing more than 415k, you might get a better rate-did you shop there? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 16 21:44:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 16 21:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? Good grief! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3993B78635ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Oh! The stress! Did we get it? Will we get it at a reasonable price? > Oh! Oh! Oh! > > And, of course, dang! The markets sure are tanking, huh? Doesn't look > that bad today, I guess, but yesterday wiped all of those gains out. The > volatility is insane... But oil, it's going down....almost under $3, I refuse to buy until it is. I have a space heater....... From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 15:52:47 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Oct 17 15:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Ping: Indi Message-ID: Head's up on NPR program that originates here in Northern Kali: http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R810171000 Audio should be up by this evening. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 16:57:59 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 17 17:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Chicago Tribune Endorses Obama for President (first Democratic presidential endorsement in its history) Message-ID: Tribune endorsement: Barack Obama for president http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story ///// Many Americans say they're uneasy about Obama. He's pretty new to them. We can provide some assurance. We have known Obama since he entered politics a dozen years ago. We have watched him, worked with him, argued with him as he rose from an effective state senator to an inspiring U.S. senator to the Democratic Party's nominee for president. We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready. ///// This endorsement makes some history for the Chicago Tribune. This is the first time the newspaper has endorsed the Democratic Party's nominee for president. The Tribune in its earliest days took up the abolition of slavery and linked itself to a powerful force for that cause--the Republican Party. The Tribune's first great leader, Joseph Medill, was a founder of the GOP. The editorial page has been a proponent of conservative principles. It believes that government has to serve people honestly and efficiently. With that in mind, in 1872 we endorsed Horace Greeley, who ran as an independent against the corrupt administration of Republican President Ulysses S. Grant. (Greeley was later endorsed by the Democrats.) In 1912 we endorsed Theodore Roosevelt, who ran as the Progressive Party candidate against Republican President William Howard Taft. The Tribune's decisions then were driven by outrage at inept and corrupt business and political leaders. We see parallels today. The Republican Party, the party of limited government, has lost its way. The government ran a $237 billion surplus in 2000, the year before Bush took office -- and recorded a $455 billion deficit in 2008. The Republicans lost control of the U.S. House and Senate in 2006 because, as we said at the time, they gave the nation rampant spending and Capitol Hill corruption. They abandoned their principles. They paid the price. We might have counted on John McCain to correct his party's course. We like McCain. We endorsed him in the Republican primary in Illinois. In part because of his persuasion and resolve, the U.S. stands to win an unconditional victory in Iraq. It is, though, hard to figure John McCain these days. He argued that President Bush's tax cuts were fiscally irresponsible, but he now supports them. He promises a balanced budget by the end of his first term, but his tax cut plan would add an estimated $4.2 trillion in debt over 10 years. He has responded to the economic crisis with an angry, populist message and a misguided, $300 billion proposal to buy up bad mortgages. McCain failed in his most important executive decision. Give him credit for choosing a female running mate--but he passed up any number of supremely qualified Republican women who could have served. Having called Obama not ready to lead, McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. His campaign has tried to stage-manage Palin's exposure to the public. But it's clear she is not prepared to step in at a moment's notice and serve as president. McCain put his campaign before his country. Obama chose a more experienced and more thoughtful running mate--he put governing before politicking. Sen. Joe Biden doesn't bring many votes to Obama, but he would help him from day one to lead the country. ///// From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 17:21:08 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Oct 17 17:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Chicago Tribune Endorses Obama for President (first Democratic presidential endorsement in its history) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: > Tribune endorsement: Barack Obama for president > http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story The first time in the Trib's 136-year history that they endored a Democrat for President of the United States. They endorsed Nixon, Dole and both Bushes twice. Chi-town friend sez, "Now I'm convinced that the earth will spin into the sun before election day." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 17:59:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Chicago Tribune Endorses Obama for President (first Democratic presidential endorsement in its history) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Chi-town friend sez, "Now I'm convinced that the earth will spin into > the sun before election day." It's getting better by the day - more and more conservative pundits are abandoning McCain/Palin: ----------------------- WPHT (Philadelphia) conservative talk radio hose Michael Smerconish http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/in-philly-conse.html "I?ve decided," he said. "My conclusion comes after reading the candidates? memoirs and campaign platforms, attending both party conventions, interviewing both men multiple times, and watching all primary and general election debates. "John McCain is an honorable man who has served his country well. But he will not get my vote. For the first time since registering as a Republican 28 years ago, I?m voting for a Democrat for president". ///// "Terrorism. The candidates disagree as to where to prosecute the war against Islamic fundamentalists. Barack Obama is correct in saying the front line in that battle is not Iraq, it?s the Afghan-Pakistan border. Osama bin Laden crossed that border from Tora Bora in December 2001, and we stopped pursuit. The Bush administration outsourced the hunt for bin Laden and instead invaded Iraq. "No one in Iraq caused the death of 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Our invasion was based on a false predicate so we have no business being there, regardless of whether the surge is working. Our focus must be the tribal-ruled FATA region in Pakistan. Only recently has our military engaged al-Qaeda there in operations that mirror those Obama was ridiculed for recommending in August 2007. ----------------------- Gettin? All Mavericky (Heather MacDonald) http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon1013hm.html I know, it?s elitist to expect a candidate for president or vice president to speak like an adult. Sure, there are parents out there battling the ?like? epidemic who might not appreciate having someone in the White House validating their 15-year-olds? speech habits. But, hey: ?Total role reversal here.? (Palin, of course, can sound adolescent even when she uses the right verbs, as when she disingenuously denied her snarky put-down of Joe Biden?s age while lauding herself as ?you know, . . . the new energy, the new face, the new ideas.?) It?s even more elitist to expect a vice president to put together sentences that cohere into a minimally logical progression of thought. There was a time, however, when conservatives upheld adult standards?such as clarity of speech and thought?without apology, even in the face of the relentless downward pull of adolescent culture. But now, when a vice-presidential candidate talks like a teenager, mugs like an American Idol contestant, and traffics in syntactical dead-ends and non sequiturs, we are supposed to find her charming and authentic. ----------------------- Palin's Failin' (Peggy Noonan) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html ///// But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite?a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality. But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things. Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she's not a big "egghead" but she has brilliant instincts and inner toughness. But what instincts? "I'm Joe Six-Pack"? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation?"palling around with terrorists." If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber, who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn't, really, understand. This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn't seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts. No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can't be president or vice president and govern in that style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush's style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing. In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism. ----------------------- Ongoing (and growing list) here: http://www.jedreport.com/shipjumpers/ ----------------------- From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 18:37:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Ah, Joe the Plumber, we hardly knew ye...... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B3A9B7664D14sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Heidi" wrote in > news:gd8fnc$58s$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/September-October-08/Joe-t >> he-Plumber-Not-All-He-s-Cracked-Up-to-Be.html Yet with fame comes >> scrutiny, and Joe is no exception. As facts continued to leak out >> Thursday, it became apparent that Joe the Plumber is neither Joe nor >> plumber, leading some McCain critics to call the situation >> "Plumbergate." > > The poor guy is probably wishing like hell he'd kept his mouth shut! I am quite convinced the guy was a plant, by the Republicans, to get Obama to say on camera that he'd tax the guy more. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 18:41:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Russian gas executives visit Palin's turf References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3A52E9E4709TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Oh. You're better in geography than I am. Anyway, you know... Google > doesn't have maps of Bermuda. Pretty weird. Apparently Alaska doesn't have maps of the lower 48 either. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 18:42:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? Good grief! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3A524233C89TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > I'm just looking at the published rates locally and nationally. I had a > local rate quote a bit over a week ago at 5.95%. Today those people are > at > 6.74% and the national average is 6.46%. Sucks. Ow....what the hell's the point of pushing them out of reach again? How's that going to stimulate the economy if only the extremely rich can afford to buy? Nuts..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 18:51:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? Good grief! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3A527D3F0CETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> But oil, it's going down....almost under $3, I refuse to buy until it >> is. I have a space heater....... > > But your space heater costs a fortune in electricity to run. It's like > you > can't win, or something. Anyway, did I mention that she turned us down? > "Give me a call when you're ready to negotiate." As if. Sheesh. It doesn't actually cost that much, at least last year it was more bearable than oil. My normal average is about 780-850kwh a month, in Feb and March it went up to 1673, which cost me about $100 more than it usually does. Still cheaper than oil, which would have cost three times that to get 100 gallons. Oil's going down here, it's down to 2.97 at once place here, and I'm not buying just yet. Maybe next week.... From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 17 19:01:31 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 17 19:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:gd62gb$hkd$2@news.spamcop.net: > >> As a general rule of thumb in this housing market, would it be >> considered better for someone to lease or purchase a home? I know >> that's a very vague question, but in a nutshell, there's a real bitch >> of a woman on our street who finally up and moved out. She's selling >> her house but also has it available for lease. I'm hoping she sells >> it, since that means there's no chance she'll ever be back...but I'm >> wondering how likely it is that someone will actually buy it as >> opposed to leasing. Here's the listing: >> >> http://www.realtor.com/map/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=91505&mnp=31 > &mx >> p=31&typ=1&sid=8bb647b2381a4deaa4ca6896741a067f&pg=3&lid=1102681783 > &lsn >> =28&srcnt=36 >> >> Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. > > I might offer her 475 for that, but no more. I guess it would depend on > who was buying and what sort of money they had to put down. There's no > point doing whichever is going to be more expensive in the long run and > with housing being so volatile, unless you plan on staying somewhere a > long time you'd want to pay as little as possible right now. Of course, > if she's having problems paying for it, the decision may be taken out of > her hands completely before long and it'll sell for a rock bottom price. > > You're almost walking distance to Fry's! Hubby would *love* to live > there lol We ARE walking distance to Fry's. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 17 22:36:15 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Fri Oct 17 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Russian gas executives visit Palin's turf References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3ADECFBCE3FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9B3A52E9E4709TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> Google doesn't have maps of Bermuda. Pretty weird. >> >> Apparently Alaska doesn't have maps of the lower 48 either. > > Well, that's understandable. Aren't they a sovereign nation like Tejas? No but they wish they were, it seems being more than twice as large ain't good enough. From joegill at removethis Sat Oct 18 14:06:29 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Oct 18 14:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3B4F60FEF00TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Well, how exciting. As in, cause for increased concern not as in cause > for > pleasure. Hey! Guess what! My EKG changed! Whole batteries of cardiac > tests in store for me now. Bleh. > > But, hey, my BP is good and so is my cholesterol. And I feel fine. Ahhh, wait until 11/05.... things will probably return to normal, as you will no longer be bombarded from all sides (phone, TV, radio , newspapers etc.) with truth, half-truth, and bald face lies, and your brain and body, along with millions of Americans will return to normal.. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 15:16:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Sat Oct 18 15:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Roadkill from the campaign trail - The "O" flag Message-ID: http://mediamatters.org/items/200810160022 Radio host Bob Grant asserted that Obama created an "'O' flag," but apparent flag in question was Ohio's. Summary: Radio host Bob Grant asserted that Sen. Barack Obama "is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars. He has the 'O' flag." However, the flag to which Grant apparently referred was actually the Ohio state flag. On the October 15 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bob Grant said: "[W]hat is that flag that Obama's been standing in front of that looks like an American flag, but instead of having the field of 50 stars representing the 50 states, there's a circle?" He then said: "Is the circle the 'O' for Obama? Is that what it is?" Grant later said: "[D]id you notice Obama is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars? He has the 'O' flag. And that's what that 'O' is. That's what that 'O' is. Just like he did with the plane he was using. He had the flag painted over, and the 'O' for Obama. Now, these are symptom -- these things are symptomatic of a person who would like to be a potentate -- a dictator." From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 18 15:21:03 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 18 15:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] DHS perfects the abusive EULA References: Message-ID: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/16/dhs-perfects-the-abu.html From me at privacy.net Sat Oct 18 15:29:12 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Oct 18 16:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] And that's the truth References: Message-ID: THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS The truth of balance sheets of US Investment banks: There are two sides of the balance sheet: the left side and the right side. On the left side, there is nothing right...And on the right side, there is nothing left. From loafman at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 18:13:48 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Sat Oct 18 18:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: And that's the truth References: Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:29:12 -0500, Frog Prince wrote: > THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS > > The truth of balance sheets of US Investment banks: There are two sides > of the balance sheet: the left side and the right side. > > On the left side, there is nothing right...And on the right side, there > is nothing left. "Isvestia nyet Pravda; Pravda nyet Isvestia ... " (NEWS is not the truth, and TRUTH is not news) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 21:35:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 18 21:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3B4F60FEF00TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Well, how exciting. As in, cause for increased concern not as in cause > for > pleasure. Hey! Guess what! My EKG changed! Whole batteries of cardiac > tests in store for me now. Bleh. > > But, hey, my BP is good and so is my cholesterol. And I feel fine. Why'd you get an EKG in the first place? And doctors don't care if "you feel fine" if you don't fit into their nice neat little "normal" profiles. My last BP check was a few weeks ago, it was 132/72, WAY below most of this year's readings that averaged around 140/90 (the 90 number is the one to really worry about). During acupuncture, she's managed to get my pulse down as low as 70 -- that's pretty damn good for a non-exercising bloke! Oh, did I forget to mention that when I show up for my appointments with her my pulse is usually above 95? But on the days I see her I spend half the day running around doing errands, so I'm not surprised my pulse is up. At home it's normally around 80 -- not great, but not so bad for a couch bumb. Actually, I've been a lot more active since I started that new anti-yeast probiotic treatment, I'm not crashing after a day of heavy activity anymore. I dare say my health, in part, is improving! The hormone side is down again since I was forced to decrease my dosages, unfortunately....10 days until the endocrinologist appt..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 21:39:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 18 21:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B38D900E4EETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > >> As a general rule of thumb in this housing market, would it be >> considered better for someone to lease or purchase a home? > > Who knows? We're renting (leasing - that's the only way you can rent > here) > until we buy a place. But, well. Yeah. The markets... Are uncertain. > What's ever the best thing to do? If you're going to stay for a long > time, > might as well buy. But... It'd be A LOT cheaper to lease that for 5 > years > than to even think about buying it. Why does a single Borg need a house that leases for $2500/mo? Without option to buy, he's building no equity and is basically throwing away his money on more house than he likely needs. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 21:47:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 18 21:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B3A9A369101Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> http://www.realtor.com/map/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=91505&mnp=31 > &mx >> p=31&typ=1&sid=8bb647b2381a4deaa4ca6896741a067f&pg=3&lid=1102681783 > &lsn >> =28&srcnt=36 >> >> Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. > > I might offer her 475 for that, but no more. I guess it would depend on > who was buying and what sort of money they had to put down. $475k for that POS?!? Except for me lacking a garage, my floor space (including basement) is almost double of that house! Is the garage space included in the floor space? That hunk'o'junk wouldn't sell for more than $250k-$300k around here, is my guess. It's yucky looking, for one thing. Very yucky. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 18 21:51:47 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 18 21:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More house craziness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B38CADBE5CCCTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > You could move to Ithaca! Ha. 15 stall horse barn and some kind of arena > thing. Only $450k! Ha ha ha. In the day Indi could have afforded it... Yeah, back when I was single (meaning pre-ex g/f), had a good paying job, and an investment account that was worth more than 1/2 of what I put into it.... From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 19 06:11:09 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 19 06:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9B3A9A369101Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >>> http://www.realtor.com/map/search/listingdetail.aspx?zp=91505&mnp=31 >> &mx >>> p=31&typ=1&sid=8bb647b2381a4deaa4ca6896741a067f&pg=3&lid=1102681783 >> &lsn >>> =28&srcnt=36 >>> >>> Although not listed here, she's asking $2500 per month for the lease. >> >> I might offer her 475 for that, but no more. I guess it would depend on >> who was buying and what sort of money they had to put down. > > $475k for that POS?!? Except for me lacking a garage, my floor space > (including basement) is almost double of that house! Is the garage space > included in the floor space? That hunk'o'junk wouldn't sell for more > than $250k-$300k around here, is my guess. It's yucky looking, for one > thing. Very yucky. She just dropped the price another $13k. I'm actually gleeful that she's having financial hard times. She deserves to lose money on this house. With that said, the house next door just went up for sale for $399k. http://www.realtor.com/realestate/burbank-ca-91505-1103990952/ From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 12:29:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Oct 19 12:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3C7803F2506TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Snow forecast for Tuesday! Awesome! Woo fricking hoo! You're wierd! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 14:41:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Oct 19 14:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3C935F1F14BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "bar0" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9B3C7803F2506TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> Snow forecast for Tuesday! Awesome! Woo fricking hoo! >> >> You're wierd! > > You live in Houston and you're calling me weird? Dude. For now my > company > is based up here and I'm very happy to be here. "For now" because, hey, > everyone has their price, you know? I like Houston, it's very green (Important to me) and it's warm, and it's been good to me. From joegill at removethis Sun Oct 19 14:57:04 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3C7803F2506TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Snow forecast for Tuesday! Awesome! Woo fricking hoo! My definition of winter: 1 week (you pick it) of temperatures (Daily HIGH) of under 20 degrees.... The rest of the winter can be warm or mild.. Why the 1 week? Kills off many grubs and larvae so you have a much better summer... I think people's love for snow is inversely proportional to how much they have to shovel by hand! From joegill at removethis Sun Oct 19 15:00:39 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3C75FD61169TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9B3B4F60FEF00TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> But, hey, my BP is good and so is my cholesterol. And I feel fine. >> >> Ahhh, wait until 11/05.... things will probably return to normal, as >> you will no longer be bombarded from all sides (phone, TV, radio , >> newspapers etc.) with truth, half-truth, and bald face lies > > Ha! Dude... My issues are with not getting enough sleep, drinking too > much coffee and being stressed out. The election isn't doing that to me. > Not having a house might be. I'd just like everything to be settled. > Know > what I mean, jelly bean? To which I say.... - Sleep is highly over-rated :) - Drinking too much coffee? Switch to JOLT gum! - Being stressed out... I think we just trade one stress for another each day. - If things ever get settled... you have obviously overlooked something :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 15:07:03 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:gdfvtm$fr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9B3C7803F2506TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> Snow forecast for Tuesday! Awesome! Woo fricking hoo! > > My definition of winter: > > 1 week (you pick it) of temperatures (Daily HIGH) of under 20 degrees.... > The rest of the winter can be warm or mild.. that would be disaster > > Why the 1 week? Kills off many grubs and larvae so you have a much better > summer... doesn't seem to work in Ontario > > I think people's love for snow is inversely proportional to how much they > have to shovel by hand! Or how often they've slid around in a car? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 15:16:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > Ahhh, wait until 11/05.... things will probably return to normal, as you > will no longer be bombarded from all sides (phone, TV, radio , > newspapers etc.) with truth, half-truth, and bald face lies, and your > brain and body, along with millions of Americans will return to normal.. You're right -- once the McCain/Palin campaign of endlessly repeated lies, smears, half-truths, innuendo, (etc. ad nauseum) finally gets relegated to the dustbin of history this country WILL be a lot better off. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 15:25:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Colin Powell Backs Obama and Criticizes McCain Tactics Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/us/politics/20campaign.html?_r=1&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin WASHINGTON ? Former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell endorsed Senator Barack Obama for president on Sunday morning, calling him a ?transformational figure? who has reached out to all Americans with an inclusive campaign and displayed ?a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity? and ?a depth of knowledge? in his approach to the nation?s problems. The endorsement, on the NBC public-affairs program ?Meet the Press,? was a major blow to Senator John McCain, who has been a good friend of Mr. Powell?s for decades. Mr. Powell, a Republican, has advised Mr. McCain in the past on foreign policy. Mr. Powell told Tom Brokaw, the host of ?Meet the Press,? that he had been disturbed in recent weeks by the negative tone of Mr. McCain?s campaign, particularly its focus on Mr. Obama?s passing relationship with William Ayers, a 1960s radical and founder of the Weather Underground. The McCain campaign has sought to promote the idea that Mr. Obama is ?palling around with terrorists,? in the words of Mr. McCain?s running mate, Governor Sarah Palin, because of Mr. Obama?s weak links to Mr. Ayers. ?Mr. McCain says that he?s a washed-out terrorist,? Mr. Powell said. ?Well, then, why do we keep talking about him?? After the program?s taping, Mr. Powell told reporters that the thought of attacking Mr. Obama for Mr. Ayers was ?over the top.? Mr. Powell, who was secretary of state in the first term of President Bush, also said that he was concerned about Mr. McCain?s selection of Ms. Palin as his running mate and had come to the conclusion that she was the wrong choice. ?She?s a very distinguished woman, and she?s to be admired, but at the same time, now that we have had a chance to watch her for some seven weeks, I don?t believe she?s ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president,? Mr. Powell said during the taping. ///// From joegill at removethis Sun Oct 19 15:37:40 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdg12f$4fc$1@news.spamcop.net... > Joe Gill wrote: > >> Ahhh, wait until 11/05.... things will probably return to normal, as you >> will no longer be bombarded from all sides (phone, TV, radio , newspapers >> etc.) with truth, half-truth, and bald face lies, and your brain and >> body, along with millions of Americans will return to normal.. > > You're right -- once the McCain/Palin campaign of endlessly repeated lies, > smears, half-truths, innuendo, (etc. ad nauseum) finally gets relegated to > the dustbin of history this country WILL be a lot better off. I was trying to be fair with my comments. I believe their is enough of all 3 no matter what party or independent candidate you support. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 15:50:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > I was trying to be fair with my comments. I believe their is enough of > all 3 no matter what party or independent candidate you support. A cursory look at any of the fact-checking sites (factcheck.org, etc.) will reveal that the debunked lies of the McCain/Palin campaign far exceed those of Obama/Biden. Even Colin Powell commented on that in his endorsement of Obama earlier today. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 16:34:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 19 16:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Sock puppets!! Message-ID: Wow! Multiplying! Like horny rabbits! And all from the same place? What are the chances, eh??? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 16:48:02 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 19 16:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Paranoia! Message-ID: ...strikes deep... From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 16:58:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paranoia! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gdg6e2$mot$1@news.spamcop.net... > ...strikes deep... So does the proof. Do your own legwork.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 16:59:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Whiny Bitch Alert Message-ID: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3295472.ece From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 17:02:14 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:05:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdg12f$4fc$1@news.spamcop.net... > Joe Gill wrote: > >> Ahhh, wait until 11/05.... things will probably return to normal, as you >> will no longer be bombarded from all sides (phone, TV, radio , newspapers >> etc.) with truth, half-truth, and bald face lies, and your brain and >> body, along with millions of Americans will return to normal.. > > You're right -- once the McCain/Palin campaign of endlessly repeated lies, > smears, half-truths, innuendo, (etc. ad nauseum) finally gets relegated to > the dustbin of history this country WILL be a lot better off. The republicans have won a lot of electionssince the 1960's with smear tactics, they're hooked on that tactic, it'll be a long while before they abandon such a succesful tactic, losing two elections in the 90's only made them strive harder. In addition mass voter eligibility challenges will also become more frequent, and the use of election machinery produced by major republican contributors who promise to "deliver the vote" will probably also increase. It was a republican who had "under God" inserted into the pledge, and I'm pleasantly surprised that the latest administration didn't insert "ans". Perhaps they waited too long. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 17:06:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > It was a republican who had "under God" inserted into the pledge, and I'm > pleasantly surprised that the latest administration didn't insert "ans". > Perhaps they waited too long. Pardon, but "ans" = ? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 17:11:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdg7h2$ppc$1@news.spamcop.net... > bar0 wrote: > >> It was a republican who had "under God" inserted into the pledge, and I'm >> pleasantly surprised that the latest administration didn't insert "ans". >> Perhaps they waited too long. > > Pardon, but "ans" = ? Right after "republic" no spaces. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 17:22:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > Right after "republic" no spaces. Gotcha, funny but also scary. Nov. 4th can't come soon enough. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 17:28:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BlueWave wrote: > funny but also scary. Especially considering the original (Bellamy) salute that accompanied the Pledge of Allegiance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pledge_salue.jpg From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 19 18:56:37 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Why does a single Borg need a house that leases for $2500/mo? Without >> option to buy, he's building no equity and is basically throwing away >> his money on more house than he likely needs. > > He doesn't need it. He wants the house to sell so the b|tch won't come > back! Bingo. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 19 18:56:49 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Snow forecast for Tuesday! Awesome! Woo fricking hoo! Where do you live again? From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 19 18:57:59 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:00:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paranoia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > ...strikes deep... Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 19:30:53 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paranoia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> ...strikes deep... > > Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. ?I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy.? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 19 20:56:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3CD08B07DC1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> - If things ever get settled... you have obviously overlooked >> something > > Hmm... Where did I leave my... Lest we forget that Mercury is still retrograde, both my furnace and my refrigerator died this weekend. Oooh, Mr. Rent, he not be happy. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 20 15:41:23 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 20 15:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Charles wrote: > >> Well, there's that. For _me_ it's brutally hot. I like snow. Hence the >> thread! > > I'm with you Charles. I miss the snow back east, but I do not miss > the brutal heat and humidity. Texas would kill me. It's winter here too. Just dropped below 60 last night. *shivers* From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 20 15:30:03 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 20 15:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paranoia! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gdgfvd$fa5$1@news.spamcop.net... | Borgholio wrote: | > Tim McGraw wrote: | >> ...strikes deep... | > | > Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. | | “I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to | make me happy.” They'll be by your place just as soon as they are finished at mine. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 20 18:29:52 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 20 18:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:gdb5g4$69o$1@news.spamcop.net: > >>> You're almost walking distance to Fry's! Hubby would *love* to live >>> there lol >> We ARE walking distance to Fry's. ;-) >> > > Maybe not on a really hot day but yeah lol. I told hubby about it and he > wanted to buy it lol The house next door just went up for $399k. http://www.realtor.com/realestate/burbank-ca-91505-1103990952/ It's more of a dump, but more reasonably priced too. :) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 19:10:11 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Oct 20 19:15:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Now it's time to get medieval. > > The FTC says it's illegal. I'm not happy. They hung up on me when I asked > who they are. Now faxing the legal dept at my cell phone company to try to > get a company name/phone number. I'm pissed. How is this a post NOT about spam? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 19:16:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 19:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3DBE66372TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> They're also not supposed to withhold their number, let alone call a >> number listed in the DNC. But they do. > > Right. My point exactly. Well, I've filed a claim to get their number. > I'm pissed. And, actually, you can do the same thing. I suppose... I'd > think about staying on the line longer, but, hey, man, it's my cell phone! > It costs me money to talk on it! Not to burst your bubble, but I spent years reporting fax sp*m to the FTC and they did absolutely nothing. In fact, they either called or emailed me to tell me "you don't have to report EVERY one, you know", and uh yes, I do, because every one is a new violation. They were useless. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 20:00:02 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Oct 20 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> How is this a post NOT about spam? > > See no pink, hear no pink, smell no pink! Spam is email. This is evil > telemarketing. Yeah, there are alot of commonalities but there is one > vital missing link... No, sorry. It's spam. Specifically, m-spam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_spam From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 21:08:45 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> See no pink, hear no pink, smell no pink! >> No, sorry. It's spam. Specifically, m-spam: > Nope! That's text messaging. I was called by a real live computer. Well, that's unsolicited, bulk and commercial. But do I care? NO! I'm on vacation in Tahoe. Just got out of the hot tub and we're going to dinner and maybe a movie. Recalling my first post in .social, which was about an email that was NOT bulk or commercial, Charles was all over me like white on rice, yessiree. Don't talk about it here you said! Take it somewhere else you said! So, it's just kind of funny that you're posting here, some eight years later, about a message you received that was unsolicited, bulk and commercial. That's all, no biggy. Nope. Not at all. Not you or those who want to try to tell me who to respond to in .social. Nope, it's all good. Carry on good soldier, carry on... From joegill at removethis Mon Oct 20 21:25:47 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3D8E8BAB46DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Now it's time to get medieval. > > The FTC says it's illegal. I'm not happy. They hung up on me when I > asked > who they are. Now faxing the legal dept at my cell phone company to try > to > get a company name/phone number. I'm pissed. Just checking.... A) Did you happen to call that company or a related company from the cell phone via a toll or toll free number in the last 18 months? B) Was the caller a non-profit organization? C) What the caller a political organization? If any of the above 3 are true... then supposedly it's 'legal'! D) Was it a 'robo-dialer' call? You're screwed, unless you get an actual source.. E) Have you run the number in at http://whocalled.us From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 21:37:18 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Comcast users, beware of mailbombs Message-ID: They've sent emails recently saying they're redoing their web email, and they did.....tonight they marked all of my read messages from all my accounts as UNread, and just downloaded 5000+ duplicate emails to OE........ Yes I know, what do you have 5000 old messages for......well..... I never clean house..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 21:39:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3DC6B7120EFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > OK. But if it's illegal then I can take direct legal action. Like small > claims court. Yeah, yeah, a PITA and all, but if more people did it... > They wouldn't telemarket that way, now, would they? You can, and you should, whether they'd ever pay up is another thing. I would be very surprised if your phone co. gave you the number, though. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 21:46:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3DC6F30E067TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> If you come right out and ask them who they are, invariably they >> just hang up the phone. > > But that's illegal! (Ha ha.) I do it at work, we get tons and tons of sales calls, and they've now gotten very clever and lie about who they are. So I keep them on the phone, getting all kinds of info, name, address, telephone, what's your company, what are you selling, do you have a previous relationship with this company....I drag it out, say 'could you repeat that', you can almost hear them squirming on the other end, most of them won't answer and hang up. One fool called and asked to speak to the owner of the company, I asked his name and he said it, "he knows me", so I gave it to the owner saying he knew the guy. Next thing I hear is the owner bellowing at the top of his lungs 'you just told my staff you know me and I don't know you from Adam, what the hell do you think you're doing! Don't ever call here again!" Hee. Playing with telemarketers. I figure if I can hear the sounds of an Indian call center, they get what they deserve. > > Well, as I said, the phone company should be able to provide that > information. Bet it's an untraceable number....... From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 20 21:47:11 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 20 21:50:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > They've sent emails recently saying they're redoing their web email, and > they did.....tonight they marked all of my read messages from all my > accounts as UNread, and just downloaded 5000+ duplicate emails to OE........ > > Yes I know, what do you have 5000 old messages for......well..... I never > clean house..... > > Don't feel bad. I have every email I ever received and sent since 1999 archived on my computer. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 22:30:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 20 22:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gdjcah$372$4@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> They've sent emails recently saying they're redoing their web email, and >> they did.....tonight they marked all of my read messages from all my >> accounts as UNread, and just downloaded 5000+ duplicate emails to >> OE........ >> >> Yes I know, what do you have 5000 old messages for......well..... I never >> clean house..... > > Don't feel bad. I have every email I ever received and sent since 1999 > archived on my computer. Sheeeeiiiittt....I have archived email from as far back as 1996 ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 22:35:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdjf0h$k2o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Sheeeeiiiittt....I have archived email from as far back as 1996 ;-) Well, if you've left them in your web account, you're about to get them ALL downloaded, AGAIN! Cannot believe those fuckwits.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 22:58:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Oct 20 23:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdjf5r$k7m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:gdjf0h$k2o$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Sheeeeiiiittt....I have archived email from as far back as 1996 ;-) > Well, if you've left them in your web account, you're about to get them > ALL downloaded, AGAIN! Cannot believe those fuckwits.... > No, they're in backup files, mostly not restored since I lost my job. Lost all cable service for almost a day over the last 24 hours, saw Comcast crews digging up and replacing the trunk lines into my neighbohood. Talked to a Comcast Internet guy today ( my attempted taping of the Chinese F1 race failed 15 minutes into the race when the cable went out at 3:00 am Sunday morning), I told him FIOS was going to eat their lunch with their lower prices and higher reliability. If I can figure out how to get PIP to work, I could potentially save almost $100/mo for one year by switching to FIOS. Land line ($35/mo right now) comes free with FIOS, and HD channels are free too. Biggest problem is I have to rent a digital convert box for all TVs (not a STB) in my house, whereas with Comcast I get channels 2-72 without needing a converter. After the first year, savings go down quite a bit (free DVR for one year goes away). While bitching to the Comast Internet service rep on the phone, I mentioned that Comcast is slitting their own throats -- eliminating Usenet access, and a price increase of $8/month, plus FIOS HD is free, whereas Comcast charges for HD. If I felt up to re-wiring a bunch of my A/V stuff, I'd switch in a second......still might do it.....if I were 100% healthy I'd do it next week. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 20 23:16:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 20 23:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gdja2v$8sq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Recalling my first post in .social, which was about an email that was NOT > bulk or commercial, Charles was all over me like white on rice, yessiree. > Don't talk about it here you said! Take it somewhere else you said! So, > it's just kind of funny that you're posting here, some eight years later, > about a message you received that was unsolicited, bulk and commercial. > That's all, no biggy. Nope. Not at all. Not you or those who want to try > to tell me who to respond to in .social. Nope, it's all good. Carry on > good soldier, carry on... Wow. Talk about carrying a grudge. Last I looked, email and phonecalls were not the same thing. At all. As for telling you 'who to respond to', there are those of us who would prefer not to deal with the mentally deficient wanker who was asked to leave by the owner of this server *four years ago* and is so pathetic he still can't stay away, creating foolish "secret identities" for himself that are about as secret as writing your name on your forehead. You stubbornly replying to him anyway is pretty rude and antisocial, I think. And you should know better, because you were in on it the last time he was outed, remember? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 00:06:23 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Oct 21 00:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:gdja2v$8sq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Recalling my first post in .social, which was about an email that was NOT >> bulk or commercial, Charles was all over me like white on rice, yessiree. >> Don't talk about it here you said! Take it somewhere else you said! So, >> it's just kind of funny that you're posting here, some eight years later, >> about a message you received that was unsolicited, bulk and commercial. >> That's all, no biggy. Nope. Not at all. Not you or those who want to try >> to tell me who to respond to in .social. Nope, it's all good. Carry on >> good soldier, carry on... > > Wow. Talk about carrying a grudge. Last I looked, email and phonecalls > were not the same thing. At all. As for telling you 'who to respond to', > there are those of us who would prefer not to deal with the mentally > deficient wanker who was asked to leave by the owner of this server *four > years ago* and is so pathetic he still can't stay away, creating foolish > "secret identities" for himself that are about as secret as writing your > name on your forehead. You stubbornly replying to him anyway is pretty rude > and antisocial, I think. And you should know better, because you were in on > it the last time he was outed, remember? I don't think I was around then because I was driven away from .social by someone who told me I didn't know what I was talking about regarding a technique for breaking up dog fights taught to me by one of the world's leading dog trainers... oh yeah, that was YOU! And anyone who would complain to JT about anything posted at .social? Luser with a capital L. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 01:28:32 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Oct 21 01:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> What do you mean, it changed? > > My EKG changed so -something- changed. Mostly likely seems to be that > little parts of my heart died. Sounds great, doesn't it? It depends. Were they parts you were using? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 01:36:22 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Oct 21 01:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > Joe Gill wrote: >> I think people's love for snow is inversely proportional to how much they >> have to shovel by hand! > > Or how often they've slid around in a car? When I lived in the Washington D.C. area, where they closed schools for a mere dusting of snow, I developed my "Mason-Dixon Line" theory: those who live below the Mason-Dixon line do not know how to drive in the snow. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 21 02:33:16 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 21 03:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] eems to be some tricky ones out there trying disenfranchise voters References: Message-ID: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/other-views/story/731100.html From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 21 05:28:39 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 21 05:30:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-2CAD6C.10503720102008@killface.local... | In article , | Charles wrote: | | > Well, there's that. For _me_ it's brutally hot. I like snow. Hence the | > thread! | | I'm with you Charles. I miss the snow back east, but I do not miss | the brutal heat and humidity. Texas would kill me. That's why God created AC. Works for me. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 05:59:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 06:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gdjkfv$48q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I don't think I was around then because I was driven away from .social by > someone who told me I didn't know what I was talking about regarding a > technique for breaking up dog fights taught to me by one of the world's > leading dog trainers... oh yeah, that was YOU! Oh, now it's my fault? I thought you were blaming Charles. Check your spamcop address. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 08:01:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Tue Oct 21 08:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:gdjpom$hn2$1@news.spamcop.net... > bar0 wrote: >> Joe Gill wrote: >>> I think people's love for snow is inversely proportional to how much >>> they have to shovel by hand! >> >> Or how often they've slid around in a car? > > When I lived in the Washington D.C. area, where they closed schools for a > mere dusting of snow, I developed my "Mason-Dixon Line" theory: those who > live below the Mason-Dixon line do not know how to drive in the snow. Well I learnt to drive well above the MD-line, and I do know how to drive in snow. I just prefer not to. BTW, it gets easier the colder it gets, those 1/2 inch slushfalls are more treacherous than snow below 0. I grew up with slush too. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 10:12:03 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Tue Oct 21 10:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdj3g5$mpu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9B3DBE66372TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Not to burst your bubble, but I spent years reporting fax sp*m to the FTC > and they did absolutely nothing. In fact, they either called or emailed > me to tell me "you don't have to report EVERY one, you know", and uh yes, > I do, because every one is a new violation. They were useless. > I just started and stopped doing the same thing last month when the 1 page fax I received needed to be accompanied by a header page back to them (now 2 pages) and then they mailed me back copies of everything I sent them (total of 4 pages plus an envelope and postage). Even emailing the page in resulted in receiveg an envelope from them several days later. One of my big things is recycling and generating that much paper from a single page fax just did not add up. Not a very efficiant program. I have had better luck "unsubscribing" to ones I receive (that offer that option). From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 21 14:13:38 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 21 14:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Paranoia! References: Message-ID: In article , Tim McGraw wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > >> ...strikes deep... > > > > Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. > > ³I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to > make me happy.² That's called pronoia. A therapist once diagnosed me with that. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 17:24:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 21 17:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] NY Daily News: Bet on Israel bombing Iran Message-ID: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/27/2008-09-27_bet_on_israel_bombing_iran.html Very interesting scenario -- wonder if this is the "international crisis" that Joe Biden said Obama would probably be tested by in the first six months of his administration (assuming he's elected, of course)? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/biden-obama-tested-world-months-administration/ "Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Biden's strong suit is foreign policy, and I sure wouldn't sell him short on anything in that area of expertise. From joegill at removethis Tue Oct 21 18:24:56 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Oct 21 18:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3E41EB39474TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> Just checking.... >> A) Did you happen to call that company or a related company from the >> cell phone via a toll or toll free number in the last 18 months? > > I don't have the number - no idea. And I doubt it unless we're talking > AAA. I mean, that's related - they do cars and this was about extending > my > car's warranty. Only... I don't have a car that needs a warranty > extension. I have a brand new car, a 7 year old car and a 36 year old > car. > > >> B) Was the caller a non-profit organization? >> >> C) What the caller a political organization? > > No! > > >> D) Was it a 'robo-dialer' call? You're screwed, unless you get an >> actual source.. > > Yes, it was. "Please press 1 to speak with a representative." These warranty companies are all over.. I have seen them. Sometimes a cell phone number shows up. Sometimes another number. One clue in what you responded... Did you happen to give the cell phone to the dealer from who you bought the new car? Or did you happen to include it in the new registration(or what ever you call it in your state to get plates!) It appears someone has that phone number linked to your vehicle registration? The state? Insurance? etc, They of course sold your name/number for a few cents. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 18:44:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdjggq$oi7$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > Biggest problem is I have to rent a digital convert box for all TVs (not a > STB) in my house, whereas with Comcast I get channels 2-72 without needing > a converter. After the first year, savings go down quite a bit (free DVR > for one year goes away). While bitching to the Comast Internet service rep > on the phone, I mentioned that Comcast is slitting their own throats -- > eliminating Usenet access, and a price increase of $8/month, plus FIOS HD > is free, whereas Comcast charges for HD. If I felt up to re-wiring a bunch > of my A/V stuff, I'd switch in a second......still might do it.....if I > were 100% healthy I'd do it next week. At least you have a choice. Verizon left this area and took Fios with it, so if that comes back it won't be for a while. I've not been able to get to my webmail all day, so they must be doing something to the servers starting the new email interface. I emailed them, saying 'WTF', and got the usual canned response that it's something in my settings. Um, NOT. I'm still waiting to hear from them about what kind of credit they're going to give me. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 19:56:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3EC5FC4A86BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > As I wrote somewhere (or in my dreams) I felt like I did pretty well. One > of the things that happened is that I broke the clinic record for longest > time on the treadmill (something along the lines of most effort put out > during the stress test). That was the easy part. Now I have to go back > and talk to the doc - to try to figure out where the pain is coming from. > Arg. Overachiever....... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 19:59:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:00:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3EC5870B54ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > I haven't had it stop in a while, no. The issue is just a general chest > pain. Like a 1 or 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of pain. As in, it > doesn't hurt, but I know it's there. Have you ever tried taking an aspirin when it starts to see if that makes any difference in the pain? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 20:01:03 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B3EAAE1A2886sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Again it was a robo dialer which I thought was illegal yet I hear the > GOP have been doing it - maybe political groups are exempt from that > too? So I had to press 1 to speak to an operator. They called themselves > 'Warranty Services' which I'm sure is totally generic and meaningless > and I asked them who they were underwritten by and they said 'Great > American Insurance'. No idea if that's for real or not and even if it is > they may not be underwritten by them at all. They're scumbags, selling > what are no doubt completely useless warranties to people who can't > afford it. I've gotten two or three calls from the Obama campaign, they've all been real human beings, not robo calls. Not sure if he's using them in other areas, but not here. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 20:01:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3EC2B549319TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! >> It appears someone has that phone number linked to your vehicle >> registration? The state? Insurance? etc, >> They of course sold your name/number for a few cents. > > Anything is possible. Like... Maybe... Crushing them to dust. Of > course, the chances of that happening are so small it isn't even funny. > But it would be fun. My sister just emailed me wondering why she's been getting phone calls to her cell phone from the bill collection dept. of Union Hospital in Baltimore, and asked if somehow my ex-gf or her ex-b/f could have gotten her number and is using it as false ID. Hell, *I* don't even know my sister's cell phone number! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 20:11:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 20:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdlqg8$pa7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > My sister just emailed me wondering why she's been getting phone calls to > her cell phone from the bill collection dept. of Union Hospital in > Baltimore, and asked if somehow my ex-gf or her ex-b/f could have gotten > her number and is using it as false ID. Hell, *I* don't even know my > sister's cell phone number! Seems like that would be a pretty easy answer if she asked who they were trying collect FROM? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 21:03:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 21 21:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdlm18$a0n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > At least you have a choice. Verizon left this area and took Fios with it, > so if that comes back it won't be for a while. That sucks....no competition. I've not been able to get to > my webmail all day, so they must be doing something to the servers > starting the new email interface. I emailed them, saying 'WTF', and got > the usual canned response that it's something in my settings. Um, NOT. > I'm still waiting to hear from them about what kind of credit they're > going to give me. Well, yesterday I saw a swarm of 5 comcast vans digging up 3 different junction boxes at the entrance to my neighborhood. I pulled over to talk to a tech and he said they were replacing everything, and they were the main feeds. Hopefully the consistent cable problems I've had got solved with the new hardware and wiring. Have to wait and see. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 22:21:59 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 22:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3ECE7E52DC0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> Well it sounds to me like you're very fit so it seems unlikely to be >> anything to do with your heart. > > Tell that to Jim Fisk. I think you mean Fixx......and he certainly wasn't.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 22:22:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 22:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3ECEA835052TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Have you ever tried taking an aspirin when it starts to see if that >> makes any difference in the pain? >> > > With aspirin most of the pain is gone. I still know that something is > going on. Right now I have a certain tightness... Take an aspirin......have they done anything with dye yet, or is this the first step? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 21 22:24:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 21 22:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Steven Underwood" wrote in message news:gdknvl$trq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I just started and stopped doing the same thing last month when the 1 page > fax I received needed to be accompanied by a header page back to them (now > 2 pages) and then they mailed me back copies of everything I sent them > (total of 4 pages plus an envelope and postage). Even emailing the page > in resulted in receiveg an envelope from them several days later. > > One of my big things is recycling and generating that much paper from a > single page fax just did not add up. Not a very efficiant program. I > have had better luck "unsubscribing" to ones I receive (that offer that > option). Oh, that was the other thing that fried me, every freakin' complaint, they sent a letter. EVERY ONE. Talk about a waste of resources, and they did nothing about the problem! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 14:03:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 22 14:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Winter! Bring it on! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:gdfvtm$fr$1@news.spamcop.net... > I think people's love for snow is inversely proportional to how much they > have to shovel by hand! Can't argue with you there.......if it never snowed here I'd be very happy, and my car would be a lot safer from damage from idiot MD drivers! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 14:32:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 22 14:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdlr4c$qmd$1@news.spamcop.net... > Seems like that would be a pretty easy answer if she asked who they were > trying collect FROM? > Here's her message in it's entirety, does it sound like it's all for one person to you? And check out the second paragraph!!! "Hey, when Lisa [my ex g/f] took Brooke [her daughter] to the hospital which one was it? I keep getting calls on my cell phone from Union Hospital in Maryland. I told her they have my number in error. I guess someone got my cell number and is using it to skip out on paying their bill? Hopefully I won?t get any other calls. We had a murder next door over the weekend. There was a fight between 2 men at the farmhouse next to our garage. They arrested and charged the guy who was a boarder of the guy who owns the place. Our driveway was used as a staging area while they were responding and investigating the crime. He?ll never be able to unload the place NOW. We wonder if Bruce (the neighbor) will be able to pay the mortgage without one of his ?roommates? paying rent. What ever. We?ll find out eventually just like we found out what happened." From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 22 18:51:17 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 22 18:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] C&C Message-ID: I went to an ATM today, and it asked to borrow a twenty till next week. I went to fill up my gas tank and I couldn't decide between leveraged and unleveraged. Went to Best Buy to get a toaster and they gave me a free bank with purchase. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 19:02:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdlu4d$2mf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well, yesterday I saw a swarm of 5 comcast vans digging up 3 different > junction boxes at the entrance to my neighborhood. I pulled over to talk > to a tech and he said they were replacing everything, and they were the > main feeds. Hopefully the consistent cable problems I've had got solved > with the new hardware and wiring. Have to wait and see. After receiving two inane boilerplate messages when asking about why I couldn't access my web mail, I did some hunting around and found that they'd moved to another server which didn't automatially redirect, and to date I've had no notice about what happened and why I couldn't access it. I can't be the only one. If I were you, I would keep very careful notes, even take pictures of what's going on in your street. If your picture is still crap, they won't investigate what was done, too lazy! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 19:03:32 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 22 19:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3F4D918EAC9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> I think you mean Fixx......and he certainly wasn't.... > > You're right. Fixx. And he wasn't what? Fit? Sure he was. Mind you, > there was the small issue of blocked arteries... He wasn't Fixxed, he was broken.... :( From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 22:03:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 22 22:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: C&C In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gdoapa$3mt$1@news.spamcop.net... >I went to an ATM today, and it asked to borrow a twenty till next > week. > > I went to fill up my gas tank and I couldn't decide between > leveraged and unleveraged. Gas prices below $3 are the only things funny these days.....my "new house" and ROTH accounts dropped to their all time low today, loss % wise :-( At least I got one piece of good news -- the mold found in my basement under the leaky washer was the common Cladosporium, plain old black mold, not toxic (meaning no mycotoxins are produced by it), but it's been at least partially responsible for my sinus problems and dry eyes. It should be all cleaned up now, I'm running another mold test starting tonite. The concrete is now sealed underneath the washer and there's a leak tray under it too. Discovered that the bleach port was one of the leak sources on Sunday, the bluish color safe bleach went straight from the holding tank to the leak tray when the solenoid valve opened to release the bleach into the washer during the proper time in the wash cycle. That was one part of the washer I wasn't able to examine when I took it partially apart. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 22 23:22:57 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Wed Oct 22 23:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Sock puppets!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Wow! Multiplying! Like horny rabbits! And all from the same place? What > are the chances, eh??? Really... whatever happened to "zootal", anyway? LOL! From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 23 13:45:01 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 23 13:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Latest Republican Mailer Message-ID: See what the RNC is sending out now? Both my mom and dad were eager to vote for McCain initially. Then they saw the kind of person Palin is, and started openly contemplating voting for Obama. Then this: http://getcloser.rassak.com/get_closer/ McCain just lost two votes in this family. I can't imagine we're the only ones. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 17:34:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 23 17:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] McCain's hypocrisy on jobless claims Message-ID: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CANDIDATES_JOBLESS_CLAIMS "Barack Obama's only answer is to double-down on the Bush administration's legacy of out-of-control spending, raise taxes on small businesses, impose mandates on employers, and raise trade barriers - a time-proven recipe for turning tough economic times into terrible economic circumstances." Ummmm.... isn't this the same guy who was proud that he'd voted with Bush 90% of the time? What alternate reality is the McCain campaign living in? They must think we're all fools and have a very short memory. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 17:35:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 23 17:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Silly Sarah Palin strikes out again... Message-ID: She accuses Obama of being willing to meet with terrorists "without precondition", but is unable to explain exactly what "precondition" means. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/175933/61/624/639063 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/22/palin-preconditions/ http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/8010E3B6-2EAC-415B-85F2-070CA6ECF408/ In an interview Wednesday 10/22 with NBC's Brian Williams: WILLIAMS: Governor Palin, yesterday you tied this notion of an early test to the new president. Would this notion of precondition ? PALIN: Right. WILLIAMS: ? that you both have been hammering the Obama campaign on. What ? first of all, what in your mind is a precondition? PALIN: You have to have some diplomatic strategy going into a meeting with someone like Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-il, one of these dictators that would seek to destroy America or her allies. It is so naive and so dangerous for a presidential candidate to just proclaim that they would be willing to sit down with a? a leader like Ahmadinejad and just talk about the problems, the issues that are facing them. So that ? that?s ? that?s some ill-preparedness right there. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 17:35:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 23 17:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] McCain/Palin's "fake America" located Message-ID: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Fake_America_located.html#comments In tonight's NBC News interview with Brian Williams, McCain explains that the "elites" are located in D.C. and New York City: WILLIAMS: Who is a member of the elite? PALIN: Oh, I guess just people who think that they're better than anyone else. And-- John McCain and I are so committed to serving every American. Hard-working, middle-class Americans who are so desiring of this economy getting put back on the right track. And winning these wars. And America's starting to reach her potential. And that is opportunity and hope provided everyone equally. So anyone who thinks that they are-- I guess-- better than anyone else, that's-- that's my definition of elitism. WILLIAMS: So it's not education? It's not income-based? It's-- PALIN: Anyone who thinks that they're better than someone else. WILLIAMS: --a state of mind? It's not geography? PALIN: 'Course not. WILLIAMS: Senator? MCCAIN: I-- I know where a lot of 'em live. (LAUGH) WILLIAMS: Where's that? MCCAIN: Well, in our nation's capital and New York City. I've seen it. I've lived there. I know the town. I know-- I know what a lot of these elitists are. The ones that she never went to a cocktail party with in Georgetown. I'll be very frank with you. Who think that they can dictate what they believe to America rather than let Americans decide for themselves. UPDATE: Numerous readers in those cities note that they were the targets on 9/11. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 17:37:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 23 17:40:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Another lunatic Republican leader bites the dust Message-ID: GOP Group Head Calls Obama A "Muslim Socialist" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/gop-group-head-calls-obam_n_137282.html http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/rm_rocks/2008/10/marcia-stirman-why-im-a-republ.php From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 18:31:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Latest Republican Mailer References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gdqd6o$bvq$1@news.spamcop.net... > See what the RNC is sending out now? Both my mom and dad were eager to > vote for McCain initially. Then they saw the kind of person Palin is, and > started openly contemplating voting for Obama. Then this: > > http://getcloser.rassak.com/get_closer/ > > McCain just lost two votes in this family. I can't imagine we're the only > ones. It won't load for me - got another link or a description? From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 23 18:41:15 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 23 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Latest Republican Mailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gdqd6o$bvq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> See what the RNC is sending out now? Both my mom and dad were eager to >> vote for McCain initially. Then they saw the kind of person Palin is, and >> started openly contemplating voting for Obama. Then this: >> >> http://getcloser.rassak.com/get_closer/ >> >> McCain just lost two votes in this family. I can't imagine we're the only >> ones. > > It won't load for me - got another link or a description? > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/rnc-mailer-what-does-obam_n_135407.html From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 18:53:41 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 18:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Latest Republican Mailer References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gdqui6$bvq$2@news.spamcop.net... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/rnc-mailer-what-does-obam_n_135407.html Thanks - that's disgusting. What a surprise. Are you watching the interview with Brian Williams. Her continued and apparently unfixable ignorance is utterly gobsmacking..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 18:56:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 19:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B4078ED3102ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well... Less than I do - I've talked to my doc! And he said... ("Little > bunny Foo Foo I don't want to see you...") And he showed me some things > that bother him. I saw his point. More tests next week. I can hardly > wait. Well....that's not good news. What are they going to do to you next week? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 19:02:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 19:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdnrjf$9hl$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > Here's her message in it's entirety, does it sound like it's all for one > person to you? And check out the second paragraph!!! Well, still, if they thought she was "Lisa", wouldn't that be a big clue who the culprit was? Who did they think they were calling? Has she checked into identity theft? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 20:53:14 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 20:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B40C6F20AB77TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Well....that's not good news. What are they going to do to you next >> week? > > Next step is an echocardiogram. And if that isn't conclusive then we go > in... Hands up, how many people would like for it to be conclusive??? "Go in"? And do what? Poke around and look? I'm thinking there may be other specialists who don't have to do that.... From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Thu Oct 23 22:38:30 2008 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Thu Oct 23 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Silly Sarah Palin strikes out again... References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdqqme$st0$2@news.spamcop.net... > She accuses Obama of being willing to meet with terrorists "without > precondition", but is unable to explain exactly what "precondition" means. Well, if she listens to Bobby Brown records, she'll know what PREROGATIVE means... -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Thu Oct 23 22:39:35 2008 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Thu Oct 23 22:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: NY Daily News: Bet on Israel bombing Iran References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdlha5$q3q$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/27/2008-09-27_bet_on_israel_bombing_iran.html > > Very interesting scenario -- wonder if this is the "international crisis" > that Joe Biden said Obama would probably be tested by in the first six > months of his administration (assuming he's elected, of course)? We are recommending that Joe try the Krazy Glue brand lip balm. -- The generation that used acid to escape reality Is now using antacid to deal with reality http://blog.dwacon.com From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 23 22:45:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 23 22:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B40DC8EEB7ADTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > That doesn't really seem to be the case, no. I mean, if the echo test is > inconclusive then we probably should go directly in the arteries - to see, > for sure, if there's blockage or damage or whatever. It would be nice if > the echo test was conclusive and negative, wouldn't it? Well yeah, it would, but I thought they dx'd stuff like blockages with dyes and MRIs? I had one done on my leg veins once, the tech showed me the image they got after and it was just about the coolest thing I've ever seen, made me want to go to school to learn how to do it. Wish I had now! From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Thu Oct 23 22:51:45 2008 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Thu Oct 23 22:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3D8E8BAB46DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Now it's time to get medieval. > > The FTC says it's illegal. I'm not happy. They hung up on me when I > asked > who they are. Now faxing the legal dept at my cell phone company to try > to > get a company name/phone number. I'm pissed. Sometimes, you can have fun with telemarketers. One called about home improvements. I said I wanted to re-do the dungeon in the basement and wanted to be sure the hooks on the ceiling could hold a body... then asked the telemarketer how much she weighed and if she could come to discuss her company's services in person. That ended the call REAL QUICK. -- The generation that used acid to escape reality Is now using antacid to deal with reality http://blog.dwacon.com From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 00:16:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Telemarketer called my cell phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdqvq0$e4k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:gdnrjf$9hl$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> >> Here's her message in it's entirety, does it sound like it's all for one >> person to you? And check out the second paragraph!!! > > Well, still, if they thought she was "Lisa", wouldn't that be a big clue > who the culprit was? Who did they think they were calling? Has she > checked into identity theft? They didn't think she was Lisa, and my sis doesn't know the name of he ex. It was Union Hospital calling from Elkton, MD (in the boonies north of Baltimore), 1-866-384-8594 a line that doesn't show up in reverse search. They were looking for a "Neil Rosich". Hospital told her they'd take her number out of their system. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 00:18:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Home purchase vs lease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gdgduq$bus$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! >> >>> Why does a single Borg need a house that leases for $2500/mo? Without >>> option to buy, he's building no equity and is basically throwing away >>> his money on more house than he likely needs. >> >> He doesn't need it. He wants the house to sell so the b|tch won't come >> back! > > Bingo. :) Then form a community investment group to buy it and rent it out! From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Fri Oct 24 00:21:50 2008 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:25:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: "Critical Security Patch" or BS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > > "Update: Microsoft Preps Emergency Windows Patch" > > Etc, etc. And to get this patch on our machines, here, we had to > install/run yet another "Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool". > Paranoid? Me? No. No, really, Microsoft really is out there to screw > all of us over. Just got the update here, and _didn't_ have to do anything WGA. -JW From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 00:22:45 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdgkvp$tf0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Lest we forget that Mercury is still retrograde, both my furnace and my > refrigerator died this weekend. Oooh, Mr. Rent, he not be happy. > My PC has been acting funky for over a week now, system settings seemingly changing all by themselves. This morning, for instance, in the "start" button, printers and control panel disappeared from the "settings" menu and for the life of me I can't get them back, even did a system restore. Very Weird indeed. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 00:26:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: "Critical Security Patch" or BS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "J. Weaver Jr." wrote in message news:gdrigu$p36$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> >> >> "Update: Microsoft Preps Emergency Windows Patch" >> >> Etc, etc. And to get this patch on our machines, here, we had to >> install/run yet another "Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool". >> Paranoid? Me? No. No, really, Microsoft really is out there to screw >> all of us over. > > Just got the update here, and _didn't_ have to do anything WGA. > shrug> -JW I wonder if the 7 updates I installed last week have something to do with the sudden funkiness of my machine settings....I've lost the ability to right click items in the start menu again to find out where they link to, for one. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 00:43:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 24 00:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Oh great! Oh Shite! Message-ID: I finallly got my 401k money transferred to my IRA acccount after waiting 15 months. But now I'm too scared to do anything with it! Ameritrade rep was pushing me pretty hard to get into one of their managed portfolio "Amerivest" accounts, at least with some of the money, but right now I feel like finding a nice little MMF and hiding for 6 months. I have a feeling he's going to bug me quite a bit, even though he doesn't work on commision. He's going to have a bond specialist call me next week, I had no money allocated for bonds and know next to nothing about them except that I was once in a bond fund for 3 weeks in May of this year in my 401k and proceeded to lose $7k in short order!! I'll be damned if I'm going to lose the prinicipal I managed to conserve in the last 4-5 months by moving everything to a MMF in June, then all the sudden turn around and get forced back into the market by a pushy investment advisor. Screw him, I'm going to take my good old time and be very cautious with that nest egg, it's all I've got at this point besides my house equity. P.S. Got the second mold sample back today, results were the same non-toxic ubiquitous CLADOSPORIUM, found everywhere inside and outside: "The most common symptoms of mold exposure are runny nose, eye irritation, cough, congestion, and aggravation of asthma". That explaine why my runny nose and dry eye problems disappear when I go on trips. Running a second series of tests now to see if I got rid of the mold in my basement under the washing machine. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 03:27:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Fri Oct 24 03:30:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] More proof that some Republicans have absolutely no conscience (or ethics) Message-ID: GOP Strategist On Palin's Clothing Allowance: Real Outrage Is "Obama Taking A 767 Campaign Plane To Visit Grandma" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/gop-strategist-on-palins_n_137226.html Republican strategist Brad Blakeman, responding to a question about how John McCain could square his opposition to wasteful spending with the RNC shelling out over $150,000 on clothes and accessories for Sarah Palin, said that the real outrage is Barack Obama "taking a 767 campaign plane to go visit Grandma." This is the same grandmother who raised Obama and who is very seriously ill. Blakeman continued, "Forget about the energy that is wasted, what about the hundreds of thousands of dollars to take a private trip when this guy should be humping his bags on a commercial plane or taking a smaller plane. Taking a 767 of campaign money from people who could least afford it is more of an outrage in my opinion." Anchor David Schuster, laughing, replied, "That is one of the most valiant tries I have ever seen in this entire debate about Sarah Palin's clothing allowance." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 19:11:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B4191B3DF69ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Coronary artery disease. Maybe. But we can't really tell. Hey! My > phone's not ringing. Crap.....is there a family history? So they're doing a cath to open blockages, or do a look-see as to what's going on in there? Do you think maybe it's time to get a second or third opinion before anything goes on? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 19:14:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B414E27BDE8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Well, they did that already and it wasn't conclusive. That was the first > stress test. It showed nothing at the top or bottom of the heard. As in, > no blood flow or it wasn't working right. That's why we're doing the > echo. Well, I hope you get some answers, pain isn't normal. This is comforting: http://www.heartsite.com/html/echocardiogram.html#echo "What is an Echocardiogram: An echocardiogram is a test in which ultrasound is used to examine the heart. The equipment is far superior to that used by fishermen." Thank god! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 24 19:20:41 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Oh great! Oh Shite! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gdrjpo$sl5$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'll be damned if I'm going to lose the prinicipal I managed to conserve > in the last 4-5 months by moving everything to a MMF in June, then all the > sudden turn around and get forced back into the market by a pushy > investment advisor. Screw him, I'm going to take my good old time and be > very cautious with that nest egg, it's all I've got at this point besides > my house equity. I would stick it somewhere where I might not make much interest but wouldn't lose it. > P.S. Got the second mold sample back today, results were the same > non-toxic ubiquitous CLADOSPORIUM, found everywhere inside and outside: > "The most common symptoms of mold exposure are runny nose, eye irritation, > cough, congestion, and aggravation of asthma". That explaine why my runny > nose and dry eye problems disappear when I go on trips. Running a second > series of tests now to see if I got rid of the mold in my basement under > the washing machine. Unless your house is absolutely riddled with it, it's unlikely it's causing any of your symptoms, maybe UR stuff, I"m sensitive to it, but I don't think it has a systemic effect. Not healthy though, moisture is your enemy, and bleach is your friend! From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 24 19:26:31 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Oh great! Oh Shite! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > I would stick it somewhere where I might not make much interest but wouldn't > lose it. > WAMU savings accounts are still very high, at 3% interest. Just before the feds lowered the rate, it was at 4% interest...higher than most CDs. From me at privacy.net Fri Oct 24 17:31:59 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Oct 24 19:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More proof that some Republicans have absolutely no conscience (or ethics) References: Message-ID: "Republicans Are Morons" wrote in message news:gdrtde$mbk$1@news.spamcop.net... | GOP Strategist On Palin's Clothing Allowance: Real Outrage Is "Obama | Taking A 767 Campaign Plane To Visit Grandma" | | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/gop-strategist-on-palins_n_137226.html | | Republican strategist Brad Blakeman, responding to a question about how | John McCain could square his opposition to wasteful spending with the | RNC shelling out over $150,000 on clothes and accessories for Sarah | Palin, said that the real outrage is Barack Obama "taking a 767 campaign | plane to go visit Grandma." | | This is the same grandmother who raised Obama and who is very seriously | ill. | | Blakeman continued, "Forget about the energy that is wasted, what about | the hundreds of thousands of dollars to take a private trip when this | guy should be humping his bags on a commercial plane or taking a smaller | plane. Taking a 767 of campaign money from people who could least afford | it is more of an outrage in my opinion." Anchor David Schuster, | laughing, replied, "That is one of the most valiant tries I have ever | seen in this entire debate about Sarah Palin's clothing allowance." There is such a thing as 'in place value' which was taught in one of my first engineering classes. May be the wrong tool for the job or may be the more expensive tool for the job but it's the one that's on hand and likely less costly in resources than other options. As example last year about this time I had the use of a Class A RV ($250 to $500K) by the good graces of someone I'd help previously. We had the opportunity to visit an unusual attraction that was a bit off our planned itinerary. We could have rented a car and paid much less overall than what we did by driving the RV. We did what was best for us at the moment and did not worry about the higher cost. IMHO WeThePeople need to be more concerned with bigger issues than how much jet fuel Obama uses or how much it cost to cover Palin's butt. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Oct 24 23:27:43 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Oct 24 23:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: NY Daily News: Bet on Israel bombing Iran References: Message-ID: In article , BlueWave wrote: > http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/27/2008-09-27_bet_on_israel_bombin > g_iran.html > > Very interesting scenario -- wonder if this is the "international > crisis" that Joe Biden said Obama would probably be tested by in the > first six months of his administration (assuming he's elected, of course)? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/biden-obama-tested-world-months-administration/ > > "Remember I said it standing here. if you don't remember anything else I > said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated > crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he's gonna have to make some > really tough -- I don't know what the decision's gonna be, but I promise > you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven > presidents, I guarantee you it's gonna happen," Biden continued. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Biden's strong suit is foreign policy, and I sure wouldn't sell him > short on anything in that area of expertise. "Because our enemies will test the new president early. Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton administration. Nine-eleven happened in the first year of the Bush administration." - Joe Lieberman, "Face the Nation," 29Jun08 -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:06:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Oh great! Oh Shite! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:gdtl8c$me0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I would stick it somewhere where I might not make much interest but > wouldn't lose it. I have a list of MMF's already in store...bond funds are actually risky in the short term. > >> P.S. Got the second mold sample back today, results were the same >> non-toxic ubiquitous CLADOSPORIUM, found everywhere inside and outside: > >> Unless your house is absolutely riddled with it, it's unlikely it's >> causing > any of your symptoms, maybe UR stuff, I"m sensitive to it, but I don't > think it has a systemic effect. Not healthy though, moisture is your > enemy, and bleach is your friend! Report sed not a severe infection. Also, my PT sent me some links that said that bleach is not really great at killing black mold! In any case, after two days, my new sample plates show no signs of mold......*sigh*......thank ghod..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:08:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:10:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Another lunatic Republican leader bites the dust In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdqqqn$st0$4@news.spamcop.net... > GOP Group Head Calls Obama A "Muslim Socialist" > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/23/gop-group-head-calls-obam_n_137282.html > http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/rm_rocks/2008/10/marcia-stirman-why-im-a-republ.php Who the fuck is "Blue Wave"?!?! Which sock drawer did you come from? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:14:41 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B414E27BDE8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> but I thought they dx'd stuff like blockages with dyes >> and MRIs? I had one done on my leg veins once, the tech showed me the >> image they got after and it was just about the coolest thing I've ever >> seen, > > Well, they did that already and it wasn't conclusive. That was the first > stress test. It showed nothing at the top or bottom of the heard. As in, > no blood flow or it wasn't working right. That's why we're doing the > echo. Been following this thread, mostly quietly.....but it jumps out at me that even with all the severe health problems I've had in the last several years nothing I've seen scares me near as much as possible coronary artery blockages.....which I've had no indication off having....seeing the endo gal on monday, that's a big day for me.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:19:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B4166DDEC5C4sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... it's a > blockage you'd have to have it removed which is one of the less bad > treatments. hard to imagine how someone as fit as you could get a blockage > in the first place, unless your eating habits are horrendous You know, after all I've beem thru and learned in the last 3 years "bad habits" are a poor and lazy excuse for congential genetic defects in a lot of people. Or for people already under the symptoms of another disease/infection. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:22:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B3ECEA835052TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Have you ever tried taking an aspirin when it starts to see if that >> makes any difference in the pain? >> > > With aspirin most of the pain is gone. I still know that something is > going on. Right now I have a certain tightness... Shit, Charles, you just blew my alternative medicine explanations right out of the water! Aspirin helping is a sure sign....you're going to be stuck with western medical care now...... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 02:29:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Oct 25 02:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B41794E27F79TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> Gee, might it be stress?! > > Ya think? Stress in 1998 from running 3 different hardware system tests simulatanuously while dealing with my nasty divorce settlement sent me to the hospital with heart palpitations...... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 15:54:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sat Oct 25 15:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] McCain communications director pushed incendiary version of Ashley Todd (non)-story on reporters before facts were known Message-ID: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php By Greg Sargent - October 24, 2008, 5:12PM John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established -- and even told reporters outright that the "B" carved into the victim's cheek stood for "Barack," according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions. John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson." Verrilli also told TPM that the McCain spokesperson had claimed that the "B" stood for Barack. According to Verrilli, the spokesperson also told KDKA that Sarah Palin had called the victim of the alleged attack, who has since admitted the story was a hoax. The KDKA reporter had called McCain's campaign office for details after seeing the story -- sans details -- teased on Drudge. The McCain spokesperson's claims -- which came in the midst of extraordinary and heated conversations late yesterday between the McCain campaign, local TV stations, and the Obama camp, as the early version of the story rocketed around the political world -- is significant because it reveals a McCain official pushing a version of the story that was far more explosive than the available or confirmed facts permitted at the time. The claims to KDKA from the McCain campaign were included in an early story that ran late yesterday on KDKA's Web site. The paragraphs containing these assertions were quickly removed from the story after the Obama campaign privately complained that KDKA was letting the McCain campaign spin a racially-charged version of the story before the facts had been established, according to two sources familiar with the discussions. ///// A source familiar with what happened yesterday confirmed that the unnamed spokesperson was communications director Peter Feldman. Feldman was also quoted yesterday making virtually identical assertions on the Web site of another local TV station, WPXI. But those quotes, which we also preserved here, are also no longer available on WPXI's site, for reasons that are unclear. ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 17:35:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Sat Oct 25 17:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Tensions between McCain and Palin now spilling out public Message-ID: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say. Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."... A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign. "She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. "Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom." A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions. But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news conference on a Colorado tarmac. Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt tried several times to end the unscheduled session. ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 25 20:09:35 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Oct 25 20:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: McCain communications director pushed incendiary version of Ashley Todd (non)-story on reporters before facts were known References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:gdvtgp$njq$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php > > By Greg Sargent - October 24, 2008, 5:12PM > ..... FOXed again From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 27 00:11:38 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Endorsement from the biggest newspaper in Alaska References: Message-ID: http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567867.html From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 00:34:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship Message-ID: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD941NCJG0 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 00:36:46 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Vocabulary Lesson for Republicans Message-ID: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/25/155645/22/635/642119 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 00:40:53 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Related: Quote from Fox News VP John Moody In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/jmoody_1023/comment-page-31/ "If the [Ashley Todd] incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain?s quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting" From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 00:49:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The Party of Yesterday Message-ID: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26egan.html?em Two years ago, a list of the nation?s brainiest cities was put together from Census Bureau reports ? that is, cities with the highest percentage of college graduates, which is not the same as smart, of course. These are vibrant, prosperous places where a knowledge economy and cool things to do after hours attract people from all over the country. Among the top 10, only two of those metro areas ? Raleigh, N.C., and Lexington, Ky. ? voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election. This year, all 10 are likely to go Democratic. What?s more, with Colorado, New Hampshire and Virginia now trending blue, Republicans stand to lose the nation?s 10 best-educated states as well. It would be easy to say these places are not the real America, in the peculiar us-and-them parlance of Sarah Palin. It?s easy to say because Republicans have been insinuating for years now that some of the brightest, most productive communities in the United States are fake American ? a tactic that dates to Newt Gingrich?s reign in the capitol. Brainy cities have low divorce rates, low crime, high job creation, ethnic diversity and creative capitalism. They?re places like Pittsburgh, with its top-notch universities; Albuquerque, with its surging Latino middle class; and Denver, with its outdoor-loving young people. They grow good people in the smart cities. But in the politically suicidal greenhouse that Republicans have constructed for themselves, these cities are not welcome. They are disparaged as nests of latte-sipping weenies, alt-lifestyle types and ?other? Americans, somehow inauthentic. If that?s what Republicans want, they are doomed to be the party of yesterday. Not only are we becoming more urban as a nation, but we?re headed for an ethnic muddle that could further shrink the party of small-mindedness. By 2023, more than half of all American children will be minority, the Census Bureau projects. Ronald Reagan was lashed by liberals for running a ?Morning in America? campaign, but he knew this country, at heart, was always tomorrow-looking ? and he fared very well in educated cities as well as small towns. ?Whatever else history may say about me when I?m gone,? said Reagan, ?I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears.? Barack Obama, who brings that music to the stage, leads by 30 points on the ?hope and optimism? question in polls. Spurning the Reagan lesson, John McCain made a fatal error in turning his campaign over to the audience of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. In so doing, he chose the unbearable lightness of being Sarah Palin, trotted out Paris Hilton and labeled Obama a socialist who associates with terrorists. At a recent Palin rally, the crowd started chanting, ?We want Fox!? McCain has given them just that. But how isolated and out-of-touch is this audience? At the end of each debate, a sure-fire way to decide who won was to look at the Fox viewers poll ? typically showing a landslide for McCain. Within a day, scientific surveys found big wins for Obama. Whether Americans are real or fake, they can see through Palin, a woman who couldn?t correctly answer a third grader a few days ago when asked to explain the duties of vice president. Somewhere, between the shuffling to costume and accessorize Palin with a $150,000 wardrobe, her handlers never handed her a copy of the Constitution. Republicans blow off the smart cities with the counterargument that they win the exurbs ? the frontier of new homes, young families and the fresh middle class. And it?s true, in 2004, George Bush won 97 of the 100 fastest-growing counties in America. That will not happen this year. Polls show McCain is losing 20 percent of self-described moderate Republicans. And new registration figures and other polls indicate that Obama will likely win such iconic exurban centers as Washoe County, Nev., Loudoun County, Va., and Wake County, N.C. But in the kind of pattern that has held true since McCain went over to the stupid side, his brother recently referred to suburban northern Virginia as ?communist country? and a top adviser, Nancy Pfotenhauer, said it was not ?real Virginia.? Here in Seattle, it?s become a one-party city, with a congressman for life and nodding-head liberals who seldom challenge a tax-loving city government. It would be nice, just to keep the philosophical debate sharp, if there were a few thoughtful Republicans around. That won?t happen so long as Republicans continue to be the party of yesterday. They?ve written the cities off. Fake Americans don?t count, but this Election Day, for once, they will not feel left out. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 01:32:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 01:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Financial Times endorses Obama Message-ID: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d0b127c-a380-11dd-942c-000077b07658.html From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 07:24:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 07:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons Message-ID: This social group is starting to look like a repository for campaign materials. The odd Tidbit is interesting but these multiple postings are starting to look like political, dare I say it, spam. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 11:14:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 11:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B4469D575F7FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > You would not believe what idiocies "normal" people believe. You have an example in mind? Or are you waiting to be entertained? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 12:18:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > This social group is starting to look like a repository for campaign > materials. The odd Tidbit is interesting but these multiple postings are > starting to look like political, dare I say it, spam. Of course you're more than welcome to either respond or post items of your own. Or would you rather just complain about those who do? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Oct 27 12:22:06 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Some things never change Message-ID: Yep, be gone for awhile and everything stays the same. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 12:28:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B4476F6DCFB4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Bar0" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9B4469D575F7FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>> You would not believe what idiocies "normal" people believe. >> >> You have an example in mind? Or are you waiting to be entertained? > > No specific examples, but it is all political. .... Well, given McCain's age, and the unwillingness of anyone to read the 2,000 or so pages of his medical history, or that a candidate could be assassinated, or even hit by a bus... The following questions occurred to me; What happens if a presidential contender dies between Nomination, filing, and Election day? Is the VP nominee a de facto candidate, ie deemed to be nominated and filed per state laws? How will the ballot read? How would a vote for a dead Nominee be handled? And then there is the nearly 3 month interregnum between the election and Inauguration. Same question, although I suspect the answer to that is simpler, and the Veep becomes the Prez elect. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 12:28:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:ge4pl1$4n9$1@news.spamcop.net... > bar0 wrote: > >> This social group is starting to look like a repository for campaign >> materials. The odd Tidbit is interesting but these multiple postings are >> starting to look like political, dare I say it, spam. > > Of course you're more than welcome to either respond or post items of your > own. Or would you rather just complain about those who do? Yes From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 12:39:57 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > What happens if a presidential contender dies between Nomination, > filing, and Election day? Is the VP nominee a de facto candidate, ie > deemed to be nominated and filed per state laws? How will the ballot > read? How would a vote for a dead Nominee be handled? http://www.slate.com/id/2201173/ From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Oct 27 12:41:58 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Oct 27 12:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , "Bar0" wrote: > Well, given McCain's age, and the unwillingness of anyone to read the 2,000 > or so pages of his medical history ITYM "inability," since the campaign gave only carefully selected reporters access to the records for only three hours, and did not allow photocopying. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Oct 27 13:16:40 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Oct 27 13:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , "Bar0" wrote: > What happens if a presidential contender dies between Nomination, filing, > and Election day? Is the VP nominee a de facto candidate, ie deemed to be > nominated and filed per state laws? How will the ballot read? How would a > vote for a dead Nominee be handled? If a presidential candidate dies after nomination, the party's national committee meets to select a new candidate. (GOP rules allow for reconvening the convention delegates to choose a new candidate, but this seems infeasible these days.) The new candidate's name will appear on the ballot only if chosen before the deadline for finalizing the ballot in the various states. That's problematic because several states have very early deadlines - Florida law, for instance, does not allow for any changes after the primary election. Otherwise, the deceased candidate's name will remain. We could conceivably have a situation where the dead candidate appears on the ballot in some states, and the replacement candidate in others. If the deceased candidate wins, things get messy. We do not vote directly for president, instead choosing a slate of electors. Electors chosen for a dead candidate become free agents. They may vote for the national committee's chosen candidate, but are not required to do so. If enough of them go their own way, the election could be thrown into the (newly elected) House, where each _state_ (not congress member) gets one vote. If the House can not decide before Jan. 20, then the vice-president-elect becomes _acting_ president and serves as such until the House does decide, under the 20th Amendment. If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes president, also according to the 20th Amendment. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From loafman at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 14:15:20 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:14:34 -0500, Bar0 wrote: > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9B4469D575F7FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> You would not believe what idiocies "normal" people believe. > > You have an example in mind? Or are you waiting to be entertained? A few ideas come to mind from the red states... 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP is some sort of 4th branch of the government). 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 14:38:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > A few ideas come to mind from the red states... > > 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, nothing > good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). > > 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. > > 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like > (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). > > 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP is > some sort of 4th branch of the government). > > 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). 6) The VP controls the Senate. 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" black man (why are they always 6'4"?). 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the socialistic Democratic Party. From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 27 15:34:23 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:35:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] New Take on an old joke Message-ID: Q: How do you keep a neocon republican un-informed? A: Take away his access to Fox News. Q: How do you keep neocon republican mis-informed? A: Give it back to him. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Oct 27 15:34:56 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: Charles wrote in news:Xns9B44900DF3920TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > It wasn't me! It was JohnL ! > >> Yep, be gone for awhile and everything stays the same. :) > > Oh, come now! And... What's up? I wanted to drop by for a cuppa tea > but you were a bit off group! > Things doing ok. Getting ready for winter now. From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 27 15:37:07 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9B448A18B8306innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | Charles wrote in | news:Xns9B44900DF3920TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: | | > It wasn't me! It was JohnL ! | > | >> Yep, be gone for awhile and everything stays the same. :) | > | > Oh, come now! And... What's up? I wanted to drop by for a cuppa tea | > but you were a bit off group! | > | | Things doing ok. | | Getting ready for winter now. How's your SO? feeling better I hope. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Oct 27 15:41:57 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:ge55c3$pqs$1@news.spamcop.net: > > How's your SO? feeling better I hope. > > Unfortunatelly same as before. :( Actually a little worse, more discs going out, but she says ... NO MORE SURGERY!!! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 15:44:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:ge51qj$dj8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Kenneth Loafman wrote: > >> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >> >> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, nothing >> good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >> >> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >> >> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >> >> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP is >> some sort of 4th branch of the government). >> >> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). > > 6) The VP controls the Senate. > > 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. > > 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" black > man (why are they always 6'4"?). > > 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. > > 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the > socialistic Democratic Party. 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 15:48:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: New Take on an old joke References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ge553k$os4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Q: How do you keep a neocon republican un-informed? > > A: Take away his access to Fox News. > > Q: How do you keep neocon republican mis-informed? > > A: Give it back to him. > Speaking of which, among my acquaintances I've noticed a couple of things about FOX News watchers: 1) They thought the 90's (92-2000) were economic hard times 2) They believe it is unsafe to be anywhere outside the continental USA. 3) They support Bush, and now McCain. I've not noticed the audience of other news services, or print with as uniform a set of beliefs From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 16:04:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 16:05:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: >>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>> >>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, >>> nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>> >>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>> >>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>> >>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP >>> is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>> >>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >> >> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >> >> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >> >> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >> >> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >> >> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >> socialistic Democratic Party. > > 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is a forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing traction: Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD941NCJG0 And the attorney behind the lawsuit doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation, though I'm sure that's totally lost on the right-wingnut lunatic faction: http://www.nj.com/forums/hunterdon/index.ssf?artid=51390 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 16:52:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 16:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:ge56t8$v3b$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bar0 wrote: > >>>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>>> >>>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, nothing >>>> good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>>> >>>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>>> >>>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>>> >>>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP >>>> is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>>> >>>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >>> >>> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >>> >>> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >>> >>> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >>> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >>> >>> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >>> >>> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >>> socialistic Democratic Party. >> >> 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest > > 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is a > forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. > > Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing traction: 13) Since John McCain was born in Panama, (Canal Zone) he isn't eligible to be President. Lost traction last year or the past spring. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 17:00:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 17:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: >>>>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, >>>>> nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>>>> >>>>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>>>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>>>> >>>>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the >>>>> VP is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>>>> >>>>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >>>> >>>> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >>>> >>>> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >>>> >>>> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >>>> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >>>> >>>> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >>>> >>>> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >>>> socialistic Democratic Party. >>> >>> 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest >> >> 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is a >> forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. >> >> Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing >> traction: > > 13) Since John McCain was born in Panama, (Canal Zone) he isn't eligible > to be President. > > Lost traction last year or the past spring. Yabbut.... I thought this was a list of ideas from the red states... From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 27 17:46:52 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 27 17:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Natural remidies References: <7c71ac37-7314-4cc8-857f-f81ab69dfdda@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: The Stink in Farts Controls Blood Pressure A smelly rotten-egg gas in farts controls blood pressure in mice, a new study finds. The unpleasant aroma of the gas, called hydrogen sulfide (H2S), can be a little too familiar, as it is expelled by bacteria living in the human colon and eventually makes its way, well, out. The new research found that cells lining mice's blood vessels naturally make the gas and this action can help keep the rodents' blood pressure low by relaxing the blood vessels to prevent hypertension (high blood pressure). This gas is "no doubt" produced in cells lining human blood vessels too, the researchers said. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:05:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:ge48dn$nbd$1@news.spamcop.net... > This social group is starting to look like a repository for campaign > materials. The odd Tidbit is interesting but these multiple postings are > starting to look like political, dare I say it, spam. Both are sock puppets of GregR, who, due to his vile behavior, canceling posts, spamming the newsgroup with hundreds of fake messages, which he admitted to, was told by the owner of the server to bugger off and go away four years ago. Pathetic wanker that he is, he keeps trying to sneak in under "FAKE" nicks, oh yes, we're all fooled.... The owner of the server has, in the past, gone so far as to block IP's, maybe he'll have to do that again to get his point across. Best to just killfile........... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:09:29 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:10:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9B446967A734Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > Yep, be gone for awhile and everything stays the same. :) Yoo hoo Johnny Boy....how's it up in Hoserland? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:11:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The price of earl Message-ID: Can you believe it? Heating oil went down .20 from Friday to today, one place went down .22. The lowest here is 3.67. Still haven't ordered, but I'm getting to the point where I can't wait any longer. Sure glad I didn't lock in earlier in the fall.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:12:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Natural remidies References: <7c71ac37-7314-4cc8-857f-f81ab69dfdda@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ge5cs4$q2t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > The Stink in Farts Controls Blood Pressure > > A smelly rotten-egg gas in farts controls blood pressure in mice, a > new study finds. > > The unpleasant aroma of the gas, called hydrogen sulfide (H2S), can be > a little too familiar, as it is expelled by bacteria living in the > human colon and eventually makes its way, well, out. > > The new research found that cells lining mice's blood vessels > naturally make the gas and this action can help keep the rodents' > blood pressure low by relaxing the blood vessels to prevent > hypertension (high blood pressure). This gas is "no doubt" produced in > cells lining human blood vessels too, the researchers said. What did I miss...? Are you supposed to eat mice or something? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:15:47 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming Message-ID: I wanted to think that we'd evolved past this kind of crap. http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/27/obama.plot/ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:18:58 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Republicans Are Morons) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:20:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: >>>>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>>>> >>>>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, >>>>> nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>>>> >>>>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>>>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>>>> >>>>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the >>>>> VP is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>>>> >>>>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >>>> >>>> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >>>> >>>> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >>>> >>>> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >>>> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >>>> >>>> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >>>> >>>> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >>>> socialistic Democratic Party. >>> >>> 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest >> >> 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is a >> forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. >> >> Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing >> traction: > > 13) Since John McCain was born in Panama, (Canal Zone) he isn't eligible > to be President. > > Lost traction last year or the past spring. 14) McCain: "I'm going to run a clean campaign". 15) Palin: "Obama pals around with terrorists", "Obama is a socialist", "Obama is anti-American", etc. ad nauseum. 16) Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe shopping spree is somehow not "elitist". From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:30:52 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Alaska Senator Ted Stevens guilty on all 7 counts Message-ID: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/stevens.jurors/?iref=mpstoryview Can you say "Senator Palin"?...... From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Oct 27 18:32:22 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I wanted to think that we'd evolved past this kind of crap. > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/27/obama.plot/ Those guys were such whackos, they almost aren't a credible threat. It seems like they were /trying/ to get caught before they even got started on a killing spree. It is going to be pretty scary if either one of potential veeps got to be in charge if McCain dies of oldage or some combination of cancer, cardiovascular disease, worn out body or anger mismanagement stress - or Obama gets assassinated by one kind of racist or another and we are left with Biden or Palin either one. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:34:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:ge5a54$fff$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bar0 wrote: > >>>>>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, >>>>>> nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>>>>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the VP >>>>>> is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>>>>> >>>>>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >>>>> >>>>> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >>>>> >>>>> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >>>>> >>>>> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >>>>> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >>>>> >>>>> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >>>>> >>>>> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >>>>> socialistic Democratic Party. >>>> >>>> 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest >>> >>> 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is a >>> forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. >>> >>> Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing >>> traction: >> >> 13) Since John McCain was born in Panama, (Canal Zone) he isn't eligible >> to be President. >> >> Lost traction last year or the past spring. > > Yabbut.... I thought this was a list of ideas from the red states... No, they just have so many more memorable ones. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:36:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Natural remidies References: <7c71ac37-7314-4cc8-857f-f81ab69dfdda@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:ge5ed3$ub4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:ge5cs4$q2t$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> The Stink in Farts Controls Blood Pressure >> >> A smelly rotten-egg gas in farts controls blood pressure in mice, a >> new study finds. >> >> The unpleasant aroma of the gas, called hydrogen sulfide (H2S), can be >> a little too familiar, as it is expelled by bacteria living in the >> human colon and eventually makes its way, well, out. >> >> The new research found that cells lining mice's blood vessels >> naturally make the gas and this action can help keep the rodents' >> blood pressure low by relaxing the blood vessels to prevent >> hypertension (high blood pressure). This gas is "no doubt" produced in >> cells lining human blood vessels too, the researchers said. > > What did I miss...? Are you supposed to eat mice or something? > No, inhale after farting. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 27 18:40:51 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I wanted to think that we'd evolved past this kind of crap. > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/27/obama.plot/ > > "According to an affidavit from the federal agent who questioned them, Cowart and Schlesselman planned to charge at Obama with a car, firing from the windows as they went. They would be dressed in white tuxedos and top hats during the attempt, the affidavit states." A few screws loose, it would seem. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:43:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:ge5fi2$17r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It is going to be pretty scary if either one of potential veeps got to be > in charge if McCain dies of oldage or some combination of cancer, > cardiovascular disease, worn out body or anger mismanagement stress - or > Obama gets assassinated by one kind of racist or another and we are left > with Biden or Palin either one. > I'd be totally comfortable with Biden. With Miss "I can see Russia from my house", not so much. I personally think McCain has melanoma in his brain, he couldn't possibly be as crazy as he's acting. Or maybe he could. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:43:58 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:ge5g16$u7v$1@news.spamcop.net... > "According to an affidavit from the federal agent who questioned them, > Cowart and Schlesselman planned to charge at Obama with a car, firing from > the windows as they went. They would be dressed in white tuxedos and top > hats during the attempt, the affidavit states." > > A few screws loose, it would seem. That's all it takes, unfortunately. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 18:44:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:45:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Natural remidies References: <7c71ac37-7314-4cc8-857f-f81ab69dfdda@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:ge5fqi$1k0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message >> What did I miss...? Are you supposed to eat mice or something? >> > > No, inhale after farting. Um no. Just no. From me at privacy.net Mon Oct 27 20:09:46 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Oct 27 20:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Natural remidies References: <7c71ac37-7314-4cc8-857f-f81ab69dfdda@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:ge5ed3$ub4$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:ge5cs4$q2t$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > | > The Stink in Farts Controls Blood Pressure | > | > A smelly rotten-egg gas in farts controls blood pressure in mice, a | > new study finds. | > | > The unpleasant aroma of the gas, called hydrogen sulfide (H2S), can be | > a little too familiar, as it is expelled by bacteria living in the | > human colon and eventually makes its way, well, out. | > | > The new research found that cells lining mice's blood vessels | > naturally make the gas and this action can help keep the rodents' | > blood pressure low by relaxing the blood vessels to prevent | > hypertension (high blood pressure). This gas is "no doubt" produced in | > cells lining human blood vessels too, the researchers said. | | What did I miss...? Are you supposed to eat mice or something? Eat mo beans and slaw. From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Oct 27 21:22:03 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Oct 27 21:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Alaska Senator Ted Stevens guilty on all 7 counts References: Message-ID: In article , BlueWave wrote: > http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/27/stevens.jurors/?iref=mpstoryview > > Can you say "Senator Palin"?...... Alaska law calls for a special election, with the seat to remain vacant until it is held. She can't appoint herself. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 27 23:53:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Mon Oct 27 23:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Alaska Senator Ted Stevens guilty on all 7 counts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Alaska law calls for a special election, with the seat to remain vacant > until it is held. She can't appoint herself. Assuming that Democrat Mark Begich doesn't take the seat away from Stevens next week. They've been running neck-and-neck in the polls, the 7-count conviction surely can't help Stevens. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 28 05:44:24 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 28 06:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B44DEB33DE9Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : Charles wrote in : news:Xns9B4469D575F7FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: : : > You would not believe what idiocies "normal" people believe. : > : : that depends on if you think the folks that watch Fox New are 'normal' For their subset perhaps. From me at privacy.net Tue Oct 28 05:46:23 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 28 06:10:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-BAFE61.13164027102008@news.cesmail.net: > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. > What is the protocol for Nov 4 through Dec 15th? From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Tue Oct 28 09:29:25 2008 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Tue Oct 28 09:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > news:dfmanno-BAFE61.13164027102008@news.cesmail.net: > > > > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its > > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes > > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. >> > > What is the protocol for Nov 4 through Dec 15th? That the Electoral College wouldn't vote for a dead guy. -JW From loafman at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 10:40:38 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Tue Oct 28 10:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:29:25 -0400, J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: >> "D.F. Manno" wrote in >> news:dfmanno-BAFE61.13164027102008@news.cesmail.net: >> >> >> > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its >> > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes >> > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. >>> >>> >> What is the protocol for Nov 4 through Dec 15th? > > That the Electoral College wouldn't vote for a dead guy. -JW Yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral College! I really hate it that I live in a "Red" state. I vote, but I feel that with the way the Electoral College works, its not counted. I know it is physically counted, but changed to Red when it goes to the Electoral College. It would be really nice to have a simple majority vote, or even a simple "who gets the most votes" to support more than a 2-party system. The fact that Bush won on the EC vote, but lost the popular vote is yet another reason to get rid of the idiocy that it is. ...Ken From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Oct 28 13:59:45 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Oct 28 14:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's snowing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > And it's all good. What is this "snow" you speak of? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 14:26:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 28 14:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > Yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral College! > > I really hate it that I live in a "Red" state. I vote, but I feel that > with the way the Electoral College works, its not counted. I know it is > physically counted, but changed to Red when it goes to the Electoral > College. It would be really nice to have a simple majority vote, or even > a simple "who gets the most votes" to support more than a 2-party system. > > The fact that Bush won on the EC vote, but lost the popular vote is yet > another reason to get rid of the idiocy that it is. This idea comes up just about every election cycle (especially after Bush lost the popular vote, as you mentioned), but somehow doesn't seem to keep any traction after the election is over. If I remember right, the original intent of the EC was a compromise between those who wanted Congress to elect the president and those who favored a direct popular vote. And since it's part of the Constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to change it - which would require a 2/3 vote by both houses of Congress followed by a 3/4 vote of all of the states. I'd venture a guess that any support for that idea (or lack of it) this time around is going to depend on which party wins the presidency and whether they also win the popular vote as well (and with Obama comfortably ahead on both counts right now, I don't think there's gonna be a huge groundswell of support to toss out the EC). But with the Dems being within striking distance of picking up the magic 60 seats in the Senate (Ted Stevens' conviction yesterday makes that an even better possibility), this just might be the year that it happens. From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 28 14:55:48 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its > > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes > > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. > > has any of this ever happened? No. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 28 15:06:42 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its > > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes > > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. > > What is the protocol for Nov 4 through Dec 15th? If the deceased candidate wins a majority in the Electoral College, what you have is a mess. It's the same situation as if he died before the election, although it's not clear whether the party national committee could name a successor. Even if they do, the dead man's electors would be free agents. They could vote for the suggested replacement, for the vice presidential candidate, or someone else altogether. If, as a result of electors going their own way, no candidate has a majority on Dec. 15, the election goes to the House. It would choose from among the top three EC finishers, with each _state_ (not congress member) getting one vote. If the House can not choose by Jan. 20, and if a vice president has been elected by the EC or the Senate, s/he becomes acting president until the House does choose. If there is no vice president-elect (because no one received a majority in the EC and the Senate could not decide), then the Speaker of the House becomes acting president until one of the houses elects somebody. If the Senate chooses first, the vice president then becomes acting president until the House elects someone. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 15:12:58 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:ge7896$sab$1@news.spamcop.net... > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:29:25 -0400, J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > >> Frog Prince wrote: >>> "D.F. Manno" wrote in >>> news:dfmanno-BAFE61.13164027102008@news.cesmail.net: >>> >>> >>> > If the winning candidate dies after the Electoral College casts its >>> > votes (Dec. 15 this year), then the vice-president-elect becomes >>> > president, also according to the 20th Amendment. >>>> >>>> >>> What is the protocol for Nov 4 through Dec 15th? >> >> That the Electoral College wouldn't vote for a dead guy. -JW > > Yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral College! > > I really hate it that I live in a "Red" state. I vote, but I feel that > with the way the Electoral College works, its not counted. I know it is > physically counted, but changed to Red when it goes to the Electoral > College. It would be really nice to have a simple majority vote, or even > a simple "who gets the most votes" to support more than a 2-party system. > > The fact that Bush won on the EC vote, but lost the popular vote is yet > another reason to get rid of the idiocy that it is. > > ...Ken There're also things that could be done at the state level. It's not in the federal constitution that electoral votes be assigned in a block, in fact, as I understand it, how the electoral college is chosen and the rules under which each states electors operates is largely governed by state law, and or constitution. One of the Yankee states (Vermont, I believe) explicitly votes for electors. I personally see that as a viable middle way between pure national majority, and the current system. The Electors have 2 purposes, 1 to insert able politicians between the voters and the president, and allow a manageable way of dealing with ties and so fort, and 2 a way of preventing populous states from completely riding herd over smaller states, similar to the way there is some overrepresentation of rural districts in congress. In essence electing electors, is like electing a mini parliament whose sole power, or mandate is to chose the president (the way a Prime Minister or Premier is chosen in a parliamentary democracy). From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 28 15:14:13 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , BlueWave wrote: > Kenneth Loafman wrote: > > > Yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral College! > This idea comes up just about every election cycle (especially after > Bush lost the popular vote, as you mentioned), but somehow doesn't seem > to keep any traction after the election is over. > > If I remember right, the original intent of the EC was a compromise > between those who wanted Congress to elect the president and those who > favored a direct popular vote. And since it's part of the Constitution, > it would take a constitutional amendment to change it - which would > require a 2/3 vote by both houses of Congress followed by a 3/4 vote of > all of the states. > > I'd venture a guess that any support for that idea (or lack of it) this > time around is going to depend on which party wins the presidency and > whether they also win the popular vote as well (and with Obama > comfortably ahead on both counts right now, I don't think there's gonna > be a huge groundswell of support to toss out the EC). But with the Dems > being within striking distance of picking up the magic 60 seats in the > Senate (Ted Stevens' conviction yesterday makes that an even better > possibility), this just might be the year that it happens. Never gonna happen. The small states - the ones that are overrepresented in the EC - will never ratify a change. There's enough states with three to five votes (fifteen: AK:3, DE:3, HI:4, ID:4, ME:4, MT:3, ND:3, NE:5, NH:4, NM:5, NV:5, RI:4, SD:3, UT:5, VT:3, WV:5 and WY:3) in the EC to block any amendment abolishing it. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 15:30:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > There're also things that could be done at the state level. It's not in > the federal constitution that electoral votes be assigned in a block, in > fact, as I understand it, how the electoral college is chosen and the > rules under which each states electors operates is largely governed by > state law, and or constitution. > > One of the Yankee states (Vermont, I believe) explicitly votes for > electors. I personally see that as a viable middle way between pure > national majority, and the current system. The Electors have 2 purposes, > 1 to insert able politicians between the voters and the president, and > allow a manageable way of dealing with ties and so fort, and 2 a way of > preventing populous states from completely riding herd over smaller > states, similar to the way there is some overrepresentation of rural > districts in congress. In essence electing electors, is like electing a > mini parliament whose sole power, or mandate is to chose the president > (the way a Prime Minister or Premier is chosen in a parliamentary > democracy). Another proposal that's been floated lately would be to award all of a state's electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular vote, though I really don't think that's fair if the popular vote in that particular state is opposite to the national vote. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 15:36:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Never gonna happen. The small states - the ones that are overrepresented > in the EC - will never ratify a change. There's enough states with three > to five votes (fifteen: AK:3, DE:3, HI:4, ID:4, ME:4, MT:3, ND:3, NE:5, > NH:4, NM:5, NV:5, RI:4, SD:3, UT:5, VT:3, WV:5 and WY:3) in the EC to > block any amendment abolishing it. And by your count, that's more than enough states (I count 17) to nullify the required 3/4 vote (12.5 - rounded up to an even 13). So I guess support for abolishing the EC is going to turn on whether enough people across the entire country feel that they're being disenfranchised by the current system (the way I see it, changing to a popular vote would change the current election metrics from concentrating on a few "battleground" swing states vs. campaigning across the country as a whole). From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Oct 28 15:45:28 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Oct 28 15:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's snowing References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: Subject: It's snowing > And it's all good. My outside thermometer sez 82? (degrees F) outside and there's not a cloud in the sky. We've been complaining about the heat inland (coastal is currently 73? in the report) and expect the weather inland to improve to the mid 70s soon. If I want some snow or other frozen water, I'll go up to the mountains -- or hold my head in my freezer section the next time I go get a frozen beer stein. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Tue Oct 28 18:22:04 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Tue Oct 28 18:25:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:gdlm18$a0n$1@news.spamcop.net: > At least you have a choice. Verizon left this area and took Fios with > it, so if that comes back it won't be for a while. I've not been able > to get to my webmail all day, so they must be doing something to the > servers starting the new email interface. I emailed them, saying > 'WTF', and got the usual canned response that it's something in my > settings. Um, NOT. I'm still waiting to hear from them about what > kind of credit they're going to give me. I had the same problems that you had with Comcast mail POPing old messages, about the same time you did. Fairpoint this week has been going door-to-door in this area pushing FAST, which is evidently their version of FIOS. -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 18:40:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 28 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Not all Republicans are bad guys: FL Governor Charlie Crist extends early-voting hours Message-ID: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Crist_extends_voting_hours.html?showall http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/10/crist-extends-e.html Florida Governor Charlie Crist, to the shock and dismay of Florida Republicans, just moved to extend early voting hours, a move likely to widen the Democrats' lead under a program on which the Obama campaign has intensely focused. "He just blew Florida for John McCain," one plugged in Florida Republican just told me. The Buzz reports: At a hastily arranged news conference, Crist said the right to vote is sacred and that "many have fought and died for this right." He said he consulted a leading Democratic legislator, Rep. Dan Gelber of Miami Beach, before issuing his order, and that Gelber knew of a similar order issued by Gov. Jeb Bush in 2002 that dealt with helping voters deal with new equipment. As to the perception that more early voting helps Democrats, Crist said: "This is not a political decision. This is a people decision." Democrats had urged the extension, which means that votes will be cast 12 hours a day, not eight hours a day. ------------- Related: Here's what a real maverick looks like: Undoing Jeb Bush in Florida http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1617539,00.html What was Charlie Crist thinking? http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/06/crist/ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 19:01:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9B45BAFF78411Senex@216.154.195.61... > > I had the same problems that you had with Comcast mail POPing old > messages, about the same time you did. > > Fairpoint this week has been going door-to-door in this area pushing > FAST, which is evidently their version of FIOS. Ugh, I still haven't cleaned up that mess. I was having a hard enough time when my inbox got to 2000 messages, 7000 is just too much...... I got something from Fairpoint but I thought they were advertising DSL, they said "high speed", they didn't say broadband. "Triple Play", high speed internet not shared, so to me that means DSL, phone, and Direct TV. Did they say when it would be available? From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Oct 28 19:26:33 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: ge44sr$$3k$$@nees.ssamccp.nnnn Message-ID: In article , "Bar0" wrote: > One of the Yankee states (Vermont, I believe) explicitly votes for electors. Maine and Nebraska split their electoral votes: two votes go to the candidate who carries the state, and one vote to the candidate who carries a congressional district. So in Maine a candidate could win the EV 4-0 or 3-1. In Nebraska it could be 5-0, 4-1 or 3-2. Neither has yet had a split vote, since the statewide winner has always carried all the congressional districts. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 19:43:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Then again, some Republicans are just plain whackos... Message-ID: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=79276 You cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama By Janet Porter To all those who name the name of Christ who plan to willfully disobey Him by voting for Obama, take warning. Not only is our nation in grave danger, according to the Word of God, so are you. First, the facts on life: On July 17, 2007, Barack Obama spoke to Planned Parenthood and said: On this fundamental issue of [abortion rights], I will not yield and Planned Parenthood will not yield. ... The first thing I'll do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do. ... And what is the "Freedom of Choice Act"? It would completely federalize the abortion issue and strike down all state laws from parental notification to the Woman's Right to Know Laws to bans on partial-birth abortion, declaring them null and void with the stroke of an Obama pen. In one week, America will make a choice. And to those who call themselves "Christian" who are planning on voting for Barack Obama, put down the Obama talking points and read God's voter guide before you go to the polls: I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live (Deuteronomy 30:19). ///// From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 19:27:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The price of earl References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B454F9843101TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > >> Can you believe it? > > Oh, only $3.67 a gallon? A bargain. I know, I know, it was more > expensive > and whatever, but this house we're trying to buy... Uses a lot of earl. > And at $3.67 a gallon, well, it will be expensive. I totally lied - or mistyped or something - it's actually 2.67....... I meant to order today but was too busy so maybe tomorrow when I call it will have gone down even more. It must be killing them to have to drop they price when they all probably bought high. I'd be seriously pissed if I locked in at $4.50. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 19:29:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B454F6BB1EFDTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> I think it's time JT blocked that IP >> address. > > It's a DSL line - he can get other IPs (and has) fairly easily. They're all traceable and they're all in Los Angeles because that's where wanker boy lives, there's probably a nice range of IP's JT can block, if not the ISP. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Oct 28 19:53:49 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Oct 28 19:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9B454F6BB1EFDTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> It wasn't me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! >> >>> I think it's time JT blocked that IP >>> address. >> It's a DSL line - he can get other IPs (and has) fairly easily. > > They're all traceable and they're all in Los Angeles because that's where > wanker boy lives, there's probably a nice range of IP's JT can block, if not > the ISP. > > I'd rather he didn't...I'm a part of that IP block. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 20:29:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 28 20:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:ge88mb$9p5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'd rather he didn't...I'm a part of that IP block. :) LOL, I remember last time - you might have been in that block at that time, but you're not anymore, from what I can tell. From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Tue Oct 28 20:43:30 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Tue Oct 28 20:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:ge86pu$l45$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "Paul" wrote in message > news:Xns9B45BAFF78411Senex@216.154.195.61... >> >> [...] >> >> Fairpoint this week has been going door-to-door in this area pushing >> FAST, which is evidently their version of FIOS. > > [...] I got something from Fairpoint but I thought they were > advertising DSL, they said "high speed", they didn't say broadband. > "Triple Play", high speed internet not shared, so to me that means > DSL, phone, and Direct TV. Did they say when it would be available? They seem to be looking for orders now. I got a flyer with a $5 Dunkin Donuts card and two separate door tags (within an hour) advertising FAST. I threw the ads out, because I do not need it right now. You can put in your address at http://www.fairpointfast.com/ to see if they claim it is available in your area. The DD card has to be registered, so if I use it I will probably be hounded to get FAST. -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 21:09:04 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Oct 28 21:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9B45D2FAA4941Senex@216.154.195.61... > > They seem to be looking for orders now. I got a flyer with a $5 Dunkin > Donuts card and two separate door tags (within an hour) advertising > FAST. I threw the ads out, because I do not need it right now. > > You can put in your address at http://www.fairpointfast.com/ to see if > they claim it is available in your area. Amazingly, it is........hmm. That could be why Comcast seems to finally be giving me a refund for the crap service over the last year. Why have I not heard anything about this, haven't even seen a truck in the area. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 28 23:14:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Oct 28 23:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B44DE813C470sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:gdudpa$8lb$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> You know, after all I've beem thru and learned in the last 3 years >> "bad habits" are a poor and lazy excuse for congential genetic defects >> in a lot of people. Or for people already under the symptoms of >> another disease/infection. >> >> > > Lazy on the part of doctors you mean? Zactly. Just like my visit with the Johns Hopkins endocrinologist yesterday. She hadn't even read my damn files! I warned her right at the start that I was a complicated case, what with yeast, mold, lyme, and failing pituitary/adrenal glands. She pretty much ignored most everything I tried to tell her, which I expected, and told me to go off my hormonal supplements for 6 weeks so we can get a "clean" blood test. She says me taking hydrocortisone is likely covering up for what may be a lot of ailments, which after I thought about it, may be true. It still pissed off my lyme doc though, those supplements have been keeping me on my feet for a long time, now they're yanking the rug out from under me. I'll just have to suffer through it as best I can. So my hormone levels are going to drop to zero, I expect, but it was time to get over the "band-aid" approach and really see if my pituitary/adrenal glands aren't working properly, so I'm willing to do it. If the "clean" tests turn out bad, a brain MRI is next to look at the pituitarty gland. To my surprise, she didn't order half the pituitary secretion blood tests I expected her to order, so I'm going to get them done via my Lyme doc. I'm also going to use the 6 week "hormone support detox" to do the neurotoxin detox using that CSM drug I mentioned earlier. Hopefully by the end of the 6 weeks my body will be cleansed of the built up lyme and chemical toxins and we can get rid of one variable into why I sometimes feel like shit. At least my second mold test came up negative after I cleaned up the mess in under the washing machine, now I just need to get the ventilation system cleaned (again) and vacuum the entire house, including furniture, to get rid of any remaining mold spores (probably overkill since none were detected, but better safe than sorry). When I ran the heat the other night for the first time this year I woke up with dry red eyes and nasal congestion, a possible sign of mold. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 29 00:21:49 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 29 00:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:ge88mb$9p5$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I'd rather he didn't...I'm a part of that IP block. :) > > LOL, I remember last time - you might have been in that block at that time, > but you're not anymore, from what I can tell. > > Yeah that was a fun time. :-P From avoozl at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 01:25:29 2008 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Oct 29 01:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's snowing References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B458E8CFB05BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was Borgholio ! >> What is this "snow" you speak of? > > That's not a place we want to go again, Borg. Trust me! Why not? 8-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 04:33:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Wed Oct 29 04:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Sarah Palin on "Sharing the wealth" Message-ID: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch?currentPage=all [Palin] "And Alaska?we?re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it?s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs" [...] Alaska is sometimes described as America?s socialist state, because of its collective ownership of resources?an arrangement that allows permanent residents to collect a dividend on the state?s oil royalties. It has been Palin?s good fortune to govern the state at a time of record oil prices, which means record dividend checks: two thousand dollars for every Alaskan. And because high oil prices also mean staggering heating bills in such a cold place?and because it?s always good politics to give money to voters?Palin got the legislature this year to send an extra twelve hundred dollars to every Alaskan man, woman, and child. From loafman at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 10:10:44 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Wed Oct 29 10:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:12:58 -0500, Bar0 wrote: > "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message > news:ge7896$sab$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Yet another reason to get rid of the Electoral College! >> >> I really hate it that I live in a "Red" state. I vote, but I feel that >> with the way the Electoral College works, its not counted. I know it >> is physically counted, but changed to Red when it goes to the Electoral >> College. It would be really nice to have a simple majority vote, or >> even a simple "who gets the most votes" to support more than a 2-party >> system. >> >> The fact that Bush won on the EC vote, but lost the popular vote is yet >> another reason to get rid of the idiocy that it is. >> >> ...Ken > > There're also things that could be done at the state level. It's not in > the federal constitution that electoral votes be assigned in a block, in > fact, as I understand it, how the electoral college is chosen and the > rules under which each states electors operates is largely governed by > state law, and or constitution. > > One of the Yankee states (Vermont, I believe) explicitly votes for > electors. I personally see that as a viable middle way between pure > national majority, and the current system. The Electors have 2 purposes, > 1 to insert able politicians between the voters and the president, and > allow a manageable way of dealing with ties and so fort, and 2 a way of > preventing populous states from completely riding herd over smaller > states, similar to the way there is some overrepresentation of rural > districts in congress. In essence electing electors, is like electing a > mini parliament whose sole power, or mandate is to chose the president > (the way a Prime Minister or Premier is chosen in a parliamentary > democracy). I'm really looking for a major change in the way elections work. Back when the EC was set up, way before majority vote was available, the EC delegates could vote for anyone they chose. We changed that so we would not be surprised. As far as I can tell, the only function for an EC in today's environment is to give more power to the low-population states, which kind of violates what we should have, which is "one person, one vote", not Joe in NH gets 1.1 votes and Ken in TX gets 0.9. I want my full vote. It should not matter where I live, my vote should count towards the election of the president directly, not counted then changed to what the majority of the state wants. I'm not so much worried about the House and Senate. The presidency should not be a state decision. It should be a country decision. All votes should be counted equally. I know this will never come to pass, but it would be nice to be able to say, I voted for X and it actually counted for something. ...Ken From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 10:13:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 29 10:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:ge50fo$837$1@news.spamcop.net... > > A few ideas come to mind from the red states... > > 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. Did you catch Samantha B's skit last night on the John Stewart show about abortion rights? What a riot -- and sad at the same time to hear out loud what idiots like Palin believe. You gotta go to comedycentral.com and watch it, it's priceless! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 10:38:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 29 10:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:ge8keh$ils$1@news.spamcop.net... > At least my second mold test came up negative after I cleaned up the mess > in under the washing machine, Oops....spoke too soon. The living room test kit was negative after 5 days so I threw it out. I remember checking the basement kit at 24-48 hours (that's how fast it came up positive the first time) and I didn't see anything so I thought I was in the clear. I was down there this morning checking the sump pump because we had a ton of rain in the last two days -- it was full of mud last week from our lack of rain and I was going to hose the mud off everything -- but all the rain washed all the mud out via the pump. Unfortunately, when I grabbed the mold kit to throw it out I found two large colonies, one all white and fuzzy and one green/black like the first test. Given the time it took for them to grow, the amount of mold floating around is probably small, but I turned my heat on this week for the first time of the year so maybe that flushed some spores out of the HVAC system? In any case, my PT turned me on to this product called "Thieves" http://www.youngliving.us/pdfs/thieves_booklet.pdf that I'm going to diffuse into the air in my basement with my humidifier for a week or so, then retest for mold. I can't decide whether to get the ventilation system cleaned first or after....probably better to get started with whichever method I can get started with the fastest. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 29 10:50:42 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 29 11:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] New Obama Ad References: Message-ID: This is a great ad. Short and to the point. No words. Just some rather sweet and conventional music that turns creepy as you continue to listen to it. http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/his-choice_ad/ From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 29 10:53:16 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 29 11:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] US Elections C&C References: <3131c2c6-8867-43c3-a8af-d9c7d41ce42a@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: I was driving in to work this morning and the radio station reported that one of the TV stations was airing an Obama 30 minute 'fireside chat' commercial. Apparently they wanted to give equal time to McCain so they ran 2 episodes of 'Lost'... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 12:49:46 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 12:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:ge9qt4$cvr$1@news.spamcop.net... ... > I'm really looking for a major change in the way elections work. Back > when the EC was set up, way before majority vote was available, the EC > delegates could vote for anyone they chose. We changed that so we would > not be surprised. As far as I can tell, the only function for an EC in > today's environment is to give more power to the low-population states, > which kind of violates what we should have, which is "one person, one > vote", not Joe in NH gets 1.1 votes and Ken in TX gets 0.9. I want my > full vote. It should not matter where I live, my vote should count > towards the election of the president directly, not counted then changed > to what the majority of the state wants. > > I'm not so much worried about the House and Senate. The presidency > should not be a state decision. It should be a country decision. All > votes should be counted equally. > > I know this will never come to pass, but it would be nice to be able to > say, I voted for X and it actually counted for something. The problem with that is that 10 most populous states dominate the electoral map completely, as long as the rest of the country votes roughly 50/50 it can be safely ignored.. Those 10 states are the biggest Atlantic coast states, The Midwest, Texas and California. Leaving 41 of the states feeling like an appendix to Presidential elections. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 12:52:05 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 12:55:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's snowing References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:ge7q51$7j1$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: > Subject: It's snowing >> And it's all good. . >.... > If I want some snow or other frozen water, I'll go up to the mountains -- > or hold my head in my freezer section the next time I go get a frozen beer > stein. It's not snowing, it was cold overnight, temperature today in the sun is mid 60's It's all good if a bit on the cool side. From loafman at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 13:03:10 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Wed Oct 29 13:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:49:46 -0500, Bar0 wrote: > "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message > news:ge9qt4$cvr$1@news.spamcop.net... ... >> I'm really looking for a major change in the way elections work. Back >> when the EC was set up, way before majority vote was available, the EC >> delegates could vote for anyone they chose. We changed that so we >> would not be surprised. As far as I can tell, the only function for an >> EC in today's environment is to give more power to the low-population >> states, which kind of violates what we should have, which is "one >> person, one vote", not Joe in NH gets 1.1 votes and Ken in TX gets 0.9. >> I want my full vote. It should not matter where I live, my vote >> should count towards the election of the president directly, not >> counted then changed to what the majority of the state wants. >> >> I'm not so much worried about the House and Senate. The presidency >> should not be a state decision. It should be a country decision. All >> votes should be counted equally. >> >> I know this will never come to pass, but it would be nice to be able to >> say, I voted for X and it actually counted for something. > > The problem with that is that 10 most populous states dominate the > electoral map completely, as long as the rest of the country votes > roughly 50/50 it can be safely ignored.. > Those 10 states are the biggest Atlantic coast states, The Midwest, > Texas and California. > > Leaving 41 of the states feeling like an appendix to Presidential > elections. I thought I made myself clear. The Presidential election should be country wide, i.e. not influenced by states, electoral map or not. One person, one vote. There's really no reason to believe that voters in less populated states are somehow more important than voters in more populated states. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 29 13:37:26 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 29 13:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Heidi" wrote in > news:ge8ar2$1vr$1@news.spamcop.net: > >>> I'd rather he didn't...I'm a part of that IP block. :) >> LOL, I remember last time - you might have been in that block at that >> time, but you're not anymore, from what I can tell. >> >> >> > > Yeah didn't Borg get blocked out for a bit? So far the behaviour certainly > doesn't merit harming Borg's ability to connect but he may have to become a > sacrificial lamb if things get the way there were in 04 I'll remember you said that. If I get blocked due to someone else's trolling, you shall be the first member of my ever-growing army of the undead. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 29 13:11:42 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 29 13:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:gea47d$8s7$1@news.spamcop.net... : : > I'm really looking for a major change in the way elections work. Back : > when the EC was set up, way before majority vote was available, the EC : > delegates could vote for anyone they chose. We changed that so we would : > not be surprised. As far as I can tell, the only function for an EC in : > today's environment is to give more power to the low-population states, : > which kind of violates what we should have, which is "one person, one : > vote", not Joe in NH gets 1.1 votes and Ken in TX gets 0.9. I want my : > full vote. It should not matter where I live, my vote should count : > towards the election of the president directly, not counted then changed : > to what the majority of the state wants. : > : > I'm not so much worried about the House and Senate. The presidency : > should not be a state decision. It should be a country decision. All : > votes should be counted equally. : > : > I know this will never come to pass, but it would be nice to be able to : > say, I voted for X and it actually counted for something. : : The problem with that is that 10 most populous states dominate the electoral : map completely, as long as the rest of the country votes roughly 50/50 it : can be safely ignored.. : Those 10 states are the biggest Atlantic coast states, The Midwest, Texas : and California. : : Leaving 41 of the states feeling like an appendix to Presidential elections. And that's somehow different that what we have now wrt most states being ignored? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 13:53:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 13:55:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gea70j$lcs$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> "Heidi" wrote in >> news:ge8ar2$1vr$1@news.spamcop.net: >>>> I'd rather he didn't...I'm a part of that IP block. :) >>> LOL, I remember last time - you might have been in that block at that >>> time, but you're not anymore, from what I can tell. >>> >>> >> >> Yeah didn't Borg get blocked out for a bit? So far the behaviour >> certainly doesn't merit harming Borg's ability to connect but he may have >> to become a sacrificial lamb if things get the way there were in 04 > > I'll remember you said that. If I get blocked due to someone else's > trolling, you shall be the first member of my ever-growing army of the > undead. Funny thing, but I vaguely remember posting "what's snow?" sometime back, but I never morphed, nor was I ever blocked. Whether I was or am considered a troll is of course subject to other peoples opinion. Don't ask me if I did that in 2004, it's plausible, since at the time I was , and had been living for 5 years in a country that hasn't seen any (snow) within the historical record, or human memory and oral tradition.. But maybe the troller wasn't the OP, I don't remember any conversation about snow turning nasty either. I also can't remember whether I was following sc.lounge then or not, there was more lively conversation in SC, and or NANAE back then than there is nowadays. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 29 14:45:30 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "David Dean" : : > Amazingly, it is........hmm. That could be why Comcast seems to finally be : > giving me a refund for the crap service over the last year. Why have I not : > heard anything about this, haven't even seen a truck in the area. : : It's not available here, but all of a sudden Charter has been : improving service quality. They have fixed my two biggest complaints. : The scuttlebutt is that the city was talking about revoking their : franchise. : And just what might your complaints be wrt Charter? I ask as I've been going round and round with them for over 2 years. From me at privacy.net Wed Oct 29 14:53:36 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466E2A6A52Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... : "Indigo" wrote in : news:ge9r1p$24v$1@news.spamcop.net: : : > Did you catch Samantha B's skit last night on the John Stewart show : > about abortion rights? What a riot -- and sad at the same time to hear : > out loud what idiots like Palin believe. You gotta go to : > comedycentral.com and watch it, it's priceless! : > : > : : Daily Show has been must see TV for the last few weeks. The whole "health" : bit was at the same time funny but as you say, because these people are : actually SERIOUS, downright scary. Bet yer damn fur if men could get : pregnant it'd be a whole different story. : : What irks me most about these 'abortion is always wrong' people is that : they're only interested in the kid until it's born. After that they don't : give a sh1t! They look upon unwed mothers as the scum of the earth who : shouldn't be helped in any way shape or form, and their kids shouldn't have : free healthcare or other assistance. How do they dissociate the one thing : from the other in their minds? Something that has bothered me for a long time is that the anti's do not seem to care to address or undertake the steps that would make abortion a lesser choice. Some perhaps many/most of the problems I've personally observed with the foster programs would be greatly mitigated if the elements that would make aborting a lesser choice. Folk talk about unintended consequences, there are also unintended benefits but the neocon religious right won't hear of any of that. From loafman at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 15:18:14 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Wed Oct 29 15:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:53:36 -0500, Frog Prince wrote: > > Folk talk about unintended consequences, there are also unintended > benefits but the neocon religious right won't hear of any of that. I guess my answer to the neocons or Funnymentalists is: "If you're opposed to abortion, you must be willing to adopt." From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Wed Oct 29 15:26:48 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Wed Oct 29 15:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns9B466BEC44A7Csylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > Paul wrote in > news:Xns9B45D2FAA4941Senex@216.154.195.61: > > >> The DD card has to be registered, so if I use it I will probably be >> hounded to get FAST. >> > > Well what sort of a bribe is THAT anyway?! Certainly not one worth > exposing yourself to junk by the ton. You're right. I'm thinking of a rather clueless friend to whom I could give (or sell!) the card. He already has FIOS -- er, now FAST, anyway. -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 15:40:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 15:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:gea7tf$pds$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Bar0" wrote in message > news:gea47d$8s7$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : > I'm really looking for a major change in the way elections work. Back > : > when the EC was set up, way before majority vote was available, the EC > : > delegates could vote for anyone they chose. We changed that so we > would > : > not be surprised. As far as I can tell, the only function for an EC > in > : > today's environment is to give more power to the low-population > states, > : > which kind of violates what we should have, which is "one person, one > : > vote", not Joe in NH gets 1.1 votes and Ken in TX gets 0.9. I want my > : > full vote. It should not matter where I live, my vote should count > : > towards the election of the president directly, not counted then > changed > : > to what the majority of the state wants. > : > > : > I'm not so much worried about the House and Senate. The presidency > : > should not be a state decision. It should be a country decision. All > : > votes should be counted equally. > : > > : > I know this will never come to pass, but it would be nice to be able > to > : > say, I voted for X and it actually counted for something. > : > : The problem with that is that 10 most populous states dominate the > electoral > : map completely, as long as the rest of the country votes roughly 50/50 > it > : can be safely ignored.. > : Those 10 states are the biggest Atlantic coast states, The Midwest, > Texas > : and California. > : > : Leaving 41 of the states feeling like an appendix to Presidential > elections. > > And that's somehow different that what we have now wrt most states being > ignored? > > Well as the current "Winner takes all" Electoral delegation (mostly) works, no, not really. But, then there are ways to spread the power around a bit better than under the current system. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 15:42:32 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 15:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466E2A6A52Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:ge9r1p$24v$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Did you catch Samantha B's skit last night on the John Stewart show >> about abortion rights? What a riot -- and sad at the same time to hear >> out loud what idiots like Palin believe. You gotta go to >> comedycentral.com and watch it, it's priceless! >> >> > > Daily Show has been must see TV for the last few weeks. The whole "health" > bit was at the same time funny but as you say, because these people are > actually SERIOUS, downright scary. Bet yer damn fur if men could get > pregnant it'd be a whole different story. > > What irks me most about these 'abortion is always wrong' people is that > they're only interested in the kid until it's born. After that they don't > give a sh1t! They look upon unwed mothers as the scum of the earth who > shouldn't be helped in any way shape or form, and their kids shouldn't > have > free healthcare or other assistance. How do they dissociate the one thing > from the other in their minds? Some believe that most of the brain that appears to be unused is constructed for the purpose of reduction in cognitive dissonance. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 17:01:58 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Oct 29 17:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:geactm$cvr$3@news.spamcop.net... > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:53:36 -0500, Frog Prince wrote: >> >> Folk talk about unintended consequences, there are also unintended >> benefits but the neocon religious right won't hear of any of that. > > I guess my answer to the neocons or Funnymentalists is: > "If you're opposed to abortion, you must be willing to adopt." Ummm.... there are a whole lot of adopters sitting on waiting lists. Of course they want a same race baby from a healthy mom less than a few weeks old. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 18:08:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Wed Oct 29 18:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Is Barbara West (WFTV - Orlando, FL) a journalist or a Republcan operative? Message-ID: Look at these clips while she tosses GOP talking points at both candidates and decide for yourself if this is "fair, accurate, and balanced" reporting. Were these supposed to be non-partisan unbiased interviews, or an on-air job interview for Fox News? And in the interest of "full disclosure", wonder why she neglected to mention that she's married to Republican consultant Wade West..... Interview with John McCain - 10/14/08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJ1zUsVcWM Interview with Joe Biden - 10/23/08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW_wQgWviZ8 SplitScreen Compare: Biden Interview vs. McCain Interview Questions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stYXztV0UAQ From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 29 18:23:56 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 29 18:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > David Dean wrote in > news:v8ltfuv02-04F708.10525629102008@killface.local: > >> From my memory of last time, JT was just going to pull the plug >> rather than maintain a block list. > > > Yes, you may be right, he got so fed up of it all. And who can blame him! I can blame him. I can blame anybody. For instance, I blame you for the rise in cupcake prices. I blame myself for the lack of 18 year old virgins living within a 2 mile radius. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 29 18:31:58 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 29 18:35:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > news:geanpp$kk7$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I can blame him. I can blame anybody. For instance, I blame you for >> the rise in cupcake prices. I blame myself for the lack of 18 year >> old virgins living within a 2 mile radius. >> > > ROFL... um, does that mean you've been busy deflowering them all? > > Scaring them away, actually. <.< >.> From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 19:22:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 19:25:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:gea50e$cvr$2@news.spamcop.net... > > I thought I made myself clear. The Presidential election should be > country wide, i.e. not influenced by states, electoral map or not. > > One person, one vote. There's really no reason to believe that voters in > less populated states are somehow more important than voters in more > populated states. Thank you - I felt that way all along, especially after Bush stole the election when it was clear that Gore won the popular vote - what the hell's wrong with the 'popular vote'?? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 19:34:02 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Wed Oct 29 19:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Republicans Are Morons wrote: >>>>>> A few ideas come to mind from the red states... >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Voodoo economics, the so-called trickle down theory (so far, >>>>>> nothing good has trickled down, and we're paying for their mistakes). >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Abortion is wrong in any situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Its OK for the executive branch to ignore laws it does not like >>>>>> (several hundred signing statements from The Shrub alone). >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) The VP has legislative responsibilities (The Penguin thinks the >>>>>> VP is some sort of 4th branch of the government). >>>>>> >>>>>> 5) The US does not torture (we outsource it). >>>>> >>>>> 6) The VP controls the Senate. >>>>> >>>>> 7) Fruit-fly research is a frivolous and wasteful government expense. >>>>> >>>>> 8) A McCain volunteer was brutally attacked and mutilated by a 6'4" >>>>> black man (why are they always 6'4"?). >>>>> >>>>> 9) Palin will be ready to lead this country from day one if necessary. >>>>> >>>>> 10) People who live in Real America don't support the aims of the >>>>> socialistic Democratic Party. >>>> >>>> 11) New Hampshire is in the Pacific Northwest >>> >>> 12) Obama wasn't born in the United States, his birth certificate is >>> a forgery, and he isn't eligible to be president. >>> >>> Though this wingnut conspiracy theory du jour seems to be losing >>> traction: >> >> 13) Since John McCain was born in Panama, (Canal Zone) he isn't >> eligible to be President. >> >> Lost traction last year or the past spring. > > 14) McCain: "I'm going to run a clean campaign". > > 15) Palin: "Obama pals around with terrorists", "Obama is a socialist", > "Obama is anti-American", etc. ad nauseum. > > 16) Sarah Palin's $150,000 wardrobe shopping spree is somehow not > "elitist". 17) Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment is somehow offensive, despite the fact that McCain has used that very same phrase himself several times. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:14:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gea70j$lcs$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'll remember you said that. If I get blocked due to someone else's > trolling, you shall be the first member of my ever-growing army of the > undead. Hehheh....hehhheh...you said 'member'....hheheh hhehhe.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:15:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:15:07 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466E65814F9sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > LOL@ever growing army. Hell, I could well end up blocked too! You won't, I checked!! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:17:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:20:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466B9E168FFsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Yeah didn't Borg get blocked out for a bit? So far the behaviour certainly > doesn't merit harming Borg's ability to connect but he may have to become > a > sacrificial lamb if things get the way there were in 04 I think it was because it was the same IP range, same ISP or something. No one else that posts here is in that same range now, so it would be easy to just block those. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:19:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:20:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466B5814A38sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > LOL@wanker boy > > I think you meant to say 'wanker old git' Apparently senile as well, he's now talking to himself because no one else will. Dimwit. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:21:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:geanpp$kk7$1@news.spamcop.net... > I can blame him. I can blame anybody. For instance, I blame you for the > rise in cupcake prices. You're probably eating too many of them and driving up the price yourself! Ha! Ha! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:27:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Was one of those weeks Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:ge9sgt$6rb$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> I can't decide whether to get the ventilation system cleaned first or > after....probably better to get started with whichever method I can get > started with the fastest. I always try to vac out the heating vents (with a nylon over the hose so as to catch things that have fallen down) before I turn the heat on, and I put filters in the vents for the first week or so to catch anything that went down there and is being blown back up (Lowes). Probably what's bothering you is just plain old dust, it would be highly unlikely that you had mold in your vents unless there's moisture somewhere in them. Your furnace filter should be changed before you run it every year anyway, are you doing that? From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Oct 29 20:33:44 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > If the House can not choose by Jan. 20, and if a vice president has been > > elected by the EC or the Senate, s/he becomes acting president until the > > House does choose. If there is no vice president-elect (because no one > > received a majority in the EC and the Senate could not decide), then the > > Speaker of the House becomes acting president until one of the houses > > elects somebody. If the Senate chooses first, the vice president then > > becomes acting president until the House elects someone. > > What a convoluted mess! Couldn't they just re-do the whole election with > new candidate(s)? There's no provision in federal law that would allow it. I wouldn't worry about the above scenario coming to pass. It's highly unlikely. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 20:34:45 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B466C1497C5Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > They are?! Did they finally get back to you with a decent offer? You > hadn't > mentioned it. He emailed me to say that he would be issuing a credit for my services through the corporate office, but didn't give me any details and nothing has been done yet. I asked to see the results of their investigation - no answer to that either. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Oct 29 20:44:06 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: ge44sr$$3k$$@nees.ssamccp.nnnn Message-ID: In article , "Bar0" wrote: > The problem with that is that 10 most populous states dominate the electoral > map completely, as long as the rest of the country votes roughly 50/50 it > can be safely ignored.. > Those 10 states are the biggest Atlantic coast states, The Midwest, Texas > and California. > > Leaving 41 of the states feeling like an appendix to Presidential elections. Uh, there's only 50 states. What makes those small states irrelevant is not that they're small but that they're usually reliable votes for the Republican candidate. There's little reason for the candidates to campaign there if their votes are a foregone conclusion. Of the 15 states with five or fewer EVs, ten are red states (although Obama may succeed in flipping a couple of them this year). If they were less reliably red, they'd be in play in a close election. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Corporation: n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. (Ambrose Bierce) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Oct 29 21:12:42 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Oct 29 21:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:ge5e6q$tsn$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9B446967A734Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> Yep, be gone for awhile and everything stays the same. :) > > Yoo hoo Johnny Boy....how's it up in Hoserland? > > > The last few days, warmer than you are. LOL From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Oct 29 21:41:55 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Oct 29 21:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns9B44E19AF42D3sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > JohnL wrote in > news:Xns9B448A18B8306innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61: > > >> Things doing ok. >> >> Getting ready for winter now. > > > Whatcha been up to Johnny boy? Long time no see! As you'll no doubt have > noted the usual suspects are still about, including the roving troll lol. > Yep, same same as before.... on both sides. :))) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 29 22:10:04 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Oct 29 22:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Was one of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:geav0t$ic1$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ge9sgt$6rb$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> I can't decide whether to get the ventilation system cleaned first or >> after....probably better to get started with whichever method I can get >> started with the fastest. > > I always try to vac out the heating vents (with a nylon over the hose so > as > to catch things that have fallen down) before I turn the heat on, and I > put > filters in the vents for the first week I have those microfilters installed on every vent all year round. Cut down the dust build up considerably and prevents junk from falling into the vents. I do need to wash them though, it's time.... or so to catch anything that went > down there and is being blown back up (Lowes). Probably what's bothering > you is just plain old dust, it would be highly unlikely that you had mold > in > your vents unless there's moisture somewhere in them. Your furnace filter > should be changed before you run it every year anyway, are you doing that? > I changed them sometime within the last three months, both of them (I had added one in the huge return vent, which also cut down on the dust). So I pretty much have triple filters in place, all high quality small partical filters, the one in the furnace is electrostatic to trap additional crap. The only time my place gets really dusty is when I open the windows, you wouldn't believe all the dirt and pollen that collects on surfaces as you watch! From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 29 23:17:55 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 29 23:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:geanpp$kk7$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> I can blame him. I can blame anybody. For instance, I blame you for the >> rise in cupcake prices. > > You're probably eating too many of them and driving up the price yourself! > Ha! Ha! > > Same could be said about the 18 year olds. ;-) From me at privacy.net Thu Oct 30 03:46:56 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 30 04:00:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Protest planned for funeral of cheerleaders!! References: <421ig4dclhdug9vb2oo5la8vu3k7kgbk1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: The self proclaimed "Rev" Fred Phelps and his followers at Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, KS have announced that they are going to picket the funerals of the four cheerleaders, grandmother and fetus who were killed in the horrendous car crash in Scott County. http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/oct/29/church-call-scott-co-deaths-divine-judgement/ Phelps previous low was protesting at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq, claiming that their deaths was God's retribution for the United States tolerating homosexuals. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 08:04:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Thu Oct 30 08:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: ge44sr$$3k$$@nees.ssamccp.nnnn Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-D2469D.20440629102008@news.cesmail.net... .....> ..... > Uh, there's only 50 states..... > OOOPS!!! back to practicing subtraction From loafman at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 12:27:23 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Thu Oct 30 12:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:00:47 +0000, Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > news:dfmanno-BF4109.20334429102008@news.cesmail.net: > > >> There's no provision in federal law that would allow it. > > Maybe there should be! > > >> I wouldn't worry about the above scenario coming to pass. It's highly >> unlikely. >> >> > Indeed. Though the probability has to be increased if McCain somehow > manages to 'win' (like Bush won in 00) The problem is that if McCain actually won, he would have the power to veto the very thing that would keep it from happening again. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 30 14:08:48 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 30 14:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Borgholio wrote in news:geao8r$kk7$2 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> Scaring them away, actually. <.< >.> >> > > Are you the dirty old man in the rain coat who stands on street corners > staring at the girls? ;o) Not old...yet. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 15:38:47 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 30 15:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > The problem is that if McCain actually won, he would have the power to > veto the very thing that would keep it from happening again. But there's speculation that disapproval of the current Congress is running so high right now that the Dems might pickup a veto-proof majority next Tuesday. A scenario that's made even more likely after AK Senator Ted Stevens was found guilty of corruption earlier this week (yet still has the audacity not to withdraw from the race - amazing). From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 15:49:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 30 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BlueWave wrote: > A scenario that's made even more likely after AK Senator Ted Stevens > was found guilty of corruption earlier this week (yet still has > the audacity not to withdraw from the race - amazing). http://tinyurl.com/6m53v7 Republican Senator Ted Stevens has fallen eight points behind Democrat Mark Begich in his bid for re-election, and most Alaska voters now believe Stevens should resign from office. The latest Rasmussen Reports survey of Alaska voters, conducted a day after Stevens was found guilty of filing false financial disclosure forms, finds that 52% plan to vote for Begich while 44% support Stevens. Alaskan Independence Party candidate Bob Bird picks up three percent (3%) of the vote while two percent (2%) remain undecided. Polling before the trial showed the Senate race to be a toss-up. ///// From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Thu Oct 30 18:29:46 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Thu Oct 30 18:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns9B469C49EB52sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > Paul wrote in > news:Xns9B469D490C65ESenex@216.154.195.61: > >> You're right. I'm thinking of a rather clueless friend to whom I >> could give (or sell!) the card. He already has FIOS -- er, now FAST, >> anyway. >> > > LOL@sell, that's downright evil I try. -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:39:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9B46C860E8D97innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > Yep, same same as before.... on both sides. :))) At least we don't talk to ourselves, ROFL. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:41:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Comcast users, beware of mailbombs References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-6E1326.10503229102008@killface.local... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > >> Amazingly, it is........hmm. That could be why Comcast seems to finally >> be >> giving me a refund for the crap service over the last year. Why have I >> not >> heard anything about this, haven't even seen a truck in the area. > > It's not available here, but all of a sudden Charter has been > improving service quality. They have fixed my two biggest complaints. > The scuttlebutt is that the city was talking about revoking their > franchise. That was my next step after they jacked me around the first time, to go to the town and file a complaint, not like they give a rat's because I doubt the town would ditch them, there's really no alternative, or wasn't till recently. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:43:18 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk References: Message-ID: "BlueWave" wrote in message news:ged33k$mk2$1@news.spamcop.net... > BlueWave wrote: > >> A scenario that's made even more likely after AK Senator Ted Stevens was >> found guilty of corruption earlier this week (yet still has > > the audacity not to withdraw from the race - amazing). > > http://tinyurl.com/6m53v7 > > Republican Senator Ted Stevens has fallen eight points behind Democrat > Mark Begich in his bid for re-election, and most Alaska voters now believe > Stevens should resign from office. > > The latest Rasmussen Reports survey of Alaska voters, conducted a day > after Stevens was found guilty of filing false financial disclosure forms, > finds that 52% plan to vote for Begich while 44% support Stevens. Alaskan > Independence Party candidate Bob Bird picks up three percent (3%) of the > vote while two percent (2%) remain undecided. > > Polling before the trial showed the Senate race to be a toss-up. > > ///// Forget to change your ID before you replied to yourself? Whatta freakin' moron.... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:44:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:45:07 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Blue Wave and Republicans are Morons References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:geb90v$aub$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: >> You're probably eating too many of them and driving up the price >> yourself! Ha! Ha! > > Same could be said about the 18 year olds. ;-) Bbbbbbbbuut that's not what I mean........I have a picture in my head that I don't want there, I much preferred the cupcakes. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:49:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Was one of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:geb51s$4qm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I have those microfilters installed on every vent all year round. Cut down > the dust build up considerably and prevents junk from falling into the > vents. I do need to wash them though, it's time.... You have to be careful about that, you can block too much heat, at least that's what the package said, it said to only install on some, not all vents. I did it for all of them at first, and the gradually removed them once things were done blowing around. The furnace guy said my filter downstairs was FULL of dog hair, amazing how much of it ends up there, I only have two air intakes. > > I changed them sometime within the last three months, both of them (I had > added one in the huge return vent, which also cut down on the dust). So I > pretty much have triple filters in place, all high quality small partical > filters, the one in the furnace is electrostatic to trap additional crap. > The only time my place gets really dusty is when I open the windows, you > wouldn't believe all the dirt and pollen that collects on surfaces as you > watch! You have to be careful when you do it, as in "not when the pine trees are dropping pollen", pine pollen is THE WORST. The grass pollen in the spring can be pretty bad too, but the pine seems to be much worse. And when they cut the hayfields all around me - that kicks up a lot of dust but but by then the windows are all open anyway. I just dust. A lot. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:54:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (BlueWave) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: water cooler talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Forget to change your ID before you replied to yourself? Whatta freakin' > moron.... I realize it's a huge stretch for you, but try to comprehend the difference between posting additional information about a previous comment and "replying to yourself". Talk about a freakin' moron.... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 19:54:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:ge8keh$ils$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Zactly. Just like my visit with the Johns Hopkins endocrinologist > yesterday. She hadn't even read my damn files! I warned her right at the > start that I was a complicated case, what with yeast, mold, lyme, and > failing pituitary/adrenal glands. She pretty much ignored most everything > I tried to tell her, which I expected, and told me to go off my hormonal > supplements for 6 weeks so we can get a "clean" blood test. She says me > taking hydrocortisone is likely covering up for what may be a lot of > ailments, which after I thought about it, may be true. It still pissed off > my lyme doc though, those supplements have been keeping me on my feet for > a long time, now they're yanking the rug out from under me. I'll just have > to suffer through it as best I can. You might have been doing yourself a big disservice there by taking all that stuff when you didn't know what was being treated in the first place. Steroids help me, no question, but no doctor will give them to me without a diagnosis of something, and they can't come up with one. > > So my hormone levels are going to drop to zero, I expect, but it was time > to get over the "band-aid" approach and really see if my pituitary/adrenal > glands aren't working properly, so I'm willing to do it. If the "clean" > tests turn out bad, a brain MRI is next to look at the pituitarty gland. > To my surprise, she didn't order half the pituitary secretion blood tests > I expected her to order, so I'm going to get them done via my Lyme doc. > I'm also going to use the 6 week "hormone support detox" to do the > neurotoxin detox using that CSM drug I mentioned earlier. Hopefully by the > end of the 6 weeks my body will be cleansed of the built up lyme and > chemical toxins and we can get rid of one variable into why I sometimes > feel like shit. Do you or don't you have a growth on the pituitary, or was that just an assumption? What "hormones" are you taking, and how do you know what hormones you're missing? > > At least my second mold test came up negative after I cleaned up the mess > in under the washing machine, now I just need to get the ventilation > system cleaned (again) and vacuum the entire house, including furniture, > to get rid of any remaining mold spores (probably overkill since none were > detected, but better safe than sorry). When I ran the heat the other night > for the first time this year I woke up with dry red eyes and nasal > congestion, a possible sign of mold. It's also a possible sign of DUST........just dust, and dryness. I get the same way when the heat comes on, and if I get near a woodstove, forget it, I fill up within ten minutes. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 21:01:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 21:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Post renumbering weirdness? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B47D3EA5711TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > On my machine... Everything just got renumbered. Pretty weird, huh? I > suppose it's 'cause it's been drinking too much beer. Renumbered how? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 21:03:11 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Oct 30 21:05:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B47CFFE6DE0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Hmm. Week 2 and counting of those weeks? You know... I'm anemic. > Sucks, > huh? And... How was I to know? Well, it could be that the more I > exercise during the week the weaker I am. As in, biking to work every > day, > it's a little harder every day. Today getting home REALLY sucked. Of > course, on Monday it will be all cake. All cake 'cause my body will have > had 2 days to catch up. It's nuts, really. I mean... If I didn't have > anemia (if we can easily find and fix the cause of it) then I'd be > absofrickinglutely amazing out there - given how much effort I put into > training and staying in shape. On some level, it should be amazing how > well I'm doing. On another, well, I'm just pissed off that I didn't get > this dealt with sooner. Still... How was I to know, huh? Are they expecting that you're bleeding somewhere, or something else ? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 30 23:30:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Oct 30 23:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Heidi 441 error continued Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message > You might have been doing yourself a big disservice there by taking all > that stuff when you didn't know what was being treated in the first place. > Steroids help me, no question, but no doctor will give them to me without > a diagnosis of something, and they can't come up with one. Yes, I know. One of the reasons I went to the endo was to stop the "band-aid" approach we've been doing. > > Do you or don't you have a growth on the pituitary, or was that just an > assumption? What "hormones" are you taking, and how do you know what > hormones you're missing? Cortisol, ACTH, TSH, LSH, and testosterone levels are/were abnormally low before I started hydrocortisone and DHEA and pregnenolone. In six weeks, after my system is "clean" we will measure pituitary, adrenal, and thyroid functions again to see what those supplements were "hiding". > > It's also a possible sign of DUST........just dust, and dryness. I get > the same way when the heat comes on, and if I get near a woodstove, forget > it, I fill up within ten minutes. Haven't noticed an increase in dust, but then again I do have double filters on my system, and I haven't had my HVAC system cleaned since before I had the mold problem under the washer. So my plan is to flush out that system, do the "Thieves" diffusion process, and retest for mold. One thing I do know -- something has changed for the better in the last week. My brain fog has lifted, my need for sleep is greatly reduced, and I feel more energetic. Still having back/shoulder muscle problems, but with 3 bulging disks in my neck/back I may have to deal with that for the rest of my life. Today for the first time since I can remember, I actually wanted to go to the gym and lift weights -- it's like my arms were crying out for exercise -- haven't felt that feeling for over a year. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Oct 31 00:17:27 2008 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Oct 31 00:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:gedgit$b0h$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9B46C860E8D97innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> Yep, same same as before.... on both sides. :))) > > At least we don't talk to ourselves, ROFL. > > > You sure? :) From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 31 08:24:01 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Oct 31 08:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Post renumbering weirdness? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Sylvesterthekat >> did you have your echo cardiogram or whatever it was? > > Today! Fasting starts in 45 minutes - I'd better go and get some > coffee! Why would there be fasting for an echocardiogram? Are you doing something else? There is no prep for a regular echo. I suppose if someone were going to do something weird with a transesophageal echo probe, there might be some instructions and limitations. Maybe the facility has some kind of umbrella instruction "Tell everyone to fast. Can't hurt." Which isn't actually true. Some procedures and conditions it would be better if patients had a light meal and fasting is a disadvantage. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From loafman at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 08:46:04 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Fri Oct 31 08:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:39:08 -0400, Heidi wrote: > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9B46C860E8D97innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> Yep, same same as before.... on both sides. :))) > > At least we don't talk to ourselves, ROFL. As I said to a friend who was talking to herself, "Arguing with yourself is one thing, carrying on a three-way conversation sounds like a problem.". ...Ken From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 15:44:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Oct 31 15:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B484B9FA310FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> >> Is that the cause of your problems? If so, great! Are you not eating >> enough red meat? Or spinach? Get eating man! And get yourself one of >> those altitude chamber thingies lol > > Well, it's one issue. Who knows if it's _the_ issue! And my iron levels > are a bit above normal - I eat really well - so that's not it... Really? Hmm.....one of the "issues" I've been dealing with for a while is these weird greenish/yellow bruises that appear on my body, usually on my torso or arms, from bumping into stuff. They never turn into to full blown black and blue bruises, but my doc suspected low iron, so I started taking a very low dose daily (too much iron = bad news). Bruises disappeared. I stopped taking the supplement to see if it was responsible, the bruising started again. So now I'm back on it. Add that to the list of the weirdness going on in my body with the malabsorption of minerals and vitamins.......I *should* be getting enough in my diet, but seeing as I usually only eat one solid meal/day in the evening, and that's usually chicken or turkey in some form, mebbe I'm not......and I checked my supplements for iron content, they contain a very wee amount, guess because most people get enough from the food they eat. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 18:40:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 31 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Some things never change References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B47DB7F4169Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > JohnL wrote in > news:Xns9B47E2BBB400Finnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61: > >>> At least we don't talk to ourselves, ROFL. >>> >>> >>> >> >> You sure? :) >> > > well not out in public anyway! Zzactly - otherwise I find it's the only way to find intelligent conversation.....hee....... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 31 20:16:34 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Oct 31 20:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > when I go out on a job I take a jar of aspirin with me. I > know what to expect! Personally, I don't think that a 'bunch' of aspirin is a good idea. If you want to take a quarter of an adult aspirin a day for 'generic' heart attack prophylaxis as a person with normal risk factors, that's fine. If you are taking aspirin as an anti-inflammatory and mild analgesic for chest pain symptoms presumptively diagnosed as benign and possibly due to anything from episodic costochondritis, thoracic muscle tension, or undiagnosed costal neuralgia; you would be much better off taking a 'better' antiinflammatory which has less disadvantages for your stomach (and platelets) and much longer duration and greater potency, such as ibuprofen or naproxen or similar. Likely you could take 2 or 3 OTC 220 mg naproxen a day for a while, say a week or so, and never have a pain. And that would 'prove' something to someone about this pain's mechanism. > More testing for the anemia in 3 weeks Speaking of anemia; did you know that every time you take a whole aspirin, especially if it is more than one, your stomach sheds at least a few drops of blood? And maybe more. I'm a big fan of very mild analgesics and anti-inflammatories, but aspirin is pass? and a suboptimal choice compared to much much better options. And in this application tylenol/acetominophen isn't in the competition. This isn't about analgesia, this is about a useful anti-inflammatory, which tylenol isn't. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 20:42:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 31 20:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B48CB0357CA0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > "It is definitively not your heart. Now you have to figure out with your > PCP what it is." And you're in great shape and bla bla bla. Well, happy news! Sort of. So, I think > that we're going to decide it's lack of sleep, coffee and stress. And I'm > sure that I've mentioned that a bunch of times already as the cause! And > I > can't really do a whole lot about it. It's not a big deal - when I go out > on a job I take a jar of aspirin with me. I know what to expect! Um...seriously - do you take aspirin, lots, or ibuprofen? It could be eating holes in your gut, like with all the stress, and that could be part of the bleeding problem... Have you had any GI tests, for ulcers?? Occult stool tests for blood? > More testing for the anemia in 3 weeks (3 weeks! Arg! Now that I know > what's holding me back I want it fixed so I can crush them all like > bugs!!!!). I can hardly wait :) I think you need to lay off the corrosive drugs, at least till you figure it out. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 20:43:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 31 20:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:geg759$5lj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Speaking of anemia; did you know that every time you take a whole > aspirin, especially if it is more than one, your stomach sheds at least a > few drops of blood? And maybe more. > > I'm a big fan of very mild analgesics and anti-inflammatories, but aspirin > is passé and a suboptimal choice compared to much much better options. > And in this application tylenol/acetominophen isn't in the competition. > This isn't about analgesia, this is about a useful anti-inflammatory, > which tylenol isn't. Yeah, what he said. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 31 20:48:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Oct 31 20:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B48CB0357CA0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > More testing for the anemia in 3 weeks (3 weeks! Arg! Now that I know > what's holding me back I want it fixed so I can crush them all like > bugs!!!!). I can hardly wait :) > Are you taking any supplements? A friend was taking a supplement that was making her deficient in Vitamin K, which caused her to have constant nosebleeds, it was some "green" drink with a lot of Vitamin E in it, whch decreased the K. Just wondering. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 31 11:23:31 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> If you are taking aspirin as an anti-inflammatory and mild analgesic >> [...] Likely you could take 2 or 3 OTC 220 mg naproxen a day for a >> while, say a week or so, and never have a pain. And that would 'prove' >> something to someone about this pain's mechanism. > > You are a fount of information, Mike. I'll bring it up with my PCP > 'cause I'll surely be talking with her really soon. I've been avoiding > the tylenol/ibuprofen type things 'cause they tend not to be all that > great on your liver when you drink 2-3 beers a day, eh? As a general rule, when company isn't visiting, I average 30-40 beers/ fortnight^1, which would pencil out to average 2-3 beers/day. Recently I was messing around with a persistent 'affliction' with some funky elements, but pain was definitely one of them, and I wanted the pain and everything else to hurry up and go away, as it was really pestering me night and day regardless of position or activity. First I 'saturated' it with ibuprofen to the tune of about 2400 mg/d for a few days, which would be 12 of the OTC tabs and that worked, but the problem wasn't really gone yet, because it would come creeping back as the time since the last saturation grew. So next I decided to do it with naproxen, because the dosing would be more convenient, and also because I wanted to see if I would get the same result. So next I saturated it with naproxen to the tune of 440 mg every 6-8 hours, which I was eventually able to stretch to 8 hours and now it is slowly getting to 12. I wouldn't worry (too much) about 2-3 beers per day making your liver have fatty degeneration (harbinger to cirrhosis), but it definitely adds up to a lot of extra calories that need to be burned somehow or other. The business about some doctors letting their advice or warnings be influenced by the fact that some of them don't drink as much as their patients is a sad fact; but the good news is that as a general rule, doctors drink as much or more than the average person. For some complicated reasons that include some studies which weren't entirely reliable, naproxen and other OTC NSAIDs carry a warning about cardiovascular risks. The basis for that labeling has since been (mostly) discredited, but the label is still there. The CV problem really belongs to a different family of nsaid, the COX-2 (specific) inhibitors such as vioxx-like drugs. But getting into anti-prostaglandin pharmacology wouldn't be any fun here. The liver worry problem for OTC analgesics actually belongs more specifically to tylenolol/acetominophen, which I'll say again is totally worthless as an anti-inflammatory. Its problem is that 'overuse' in the form of chronic usage of large doses or in overdose situations. People seem to get confused over concepts like 'is that a safe drug?' as if everything were one or another shade of gray. The problem is to recognize the advantages and disadvantages of each thing. Tylenol has a number of safety features and goodness. It is good as an antipyretic for fever, especially children. It is a mild analgesic as good as aspirin for a lot of things. Aspirin is a good antipyretic which has some special risks for children which don't apply to adults. Aspirin is an OK analgesic pain reliever. Aspirin is also a pretty good anti-inflammatory, especially if taken in rather largish doses. Aspirin is also potentially very very irritating to the stomach, which tylenol most certainly isn't. Tylenol has zero anti-inflammatory benefit, which inflammation and prostaglandin receptor activity is most often at the heart of some kind of pain problem. So, while tylenol might help a pain temporarily, it doesn't do anything to make the prostaglandin related basis go away any faster. Naproxen and ibuprofen and such are much much less likely to irritate the stomach than aspirin, but more so than tylenol, which tylenol has no such potential. If you were going to kill yourself overdosing, tylenol would be a very bad way to do it because of what it does to the liver. Tylenol/acetominophen liver toxity is *THE* most frequent cause of acute liver failure in the US & UK. The toxicity is actually due to a metabolite, not the drug itself. Naproxen is a good anti-inflammatory which can be taken in larger than recommended doses by a person who drinks 2-3 beers (or 4) a day without worrying about his liver. ^1 the reason I express my beer count in beers per fortnight is because that is the only 'notice' I take -- carrying out empty beer bottles which is performed once every two weeks regularly. I don't keep count of the beer I buy and I don't keep count of the beer I drink. There are generally 5-7 sixpacks of empty bottles per 2 weeks. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 31 11:42:20 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 1 11:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: One of those weeks References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" >> [...] Likely you could take 2 or 3 OTC 220 mg naproxen a day for a >> while, say a week or so, and never have a pain. And that would 'prove' >> something to someone about this pain's mechanism. > > You are a fount of information, Mike. I'll bring it up with my PCP > 'cause I'll surely be talking with her really soon. I've been avoiding > the tylenol/ibuprofen type things 'cause they tend not to be all that > great on your liver when you drink 2-3 beers a day, eh? Tylenol/acetominophen (the one I'm calling useless for anti-inflammatory) is the one with the liver toxicity. It is the #1 cause of acute liver failure in the US & UK, both because of acute overdose situations as well as chronic overuse. The kidney is also vulnerable to the same problems caused by the tylenol metabolite, and both the liver and the kidney are 'weak spots' in a person who has damaged their liver (and kidneys) with alcohol. Naproxen doesn't carry acetominophen hazards and it doesn't carry the COX-2 NSAID cardiovascular risks like vioxx and its friends. However, the labeling does carry a CV warning, but that is based on studies which have largely been discredited. Let's just say that using naproxen isn't useful for _lowering_ cardiovascular risks, which has also been studied. A two or three a day beer drinker shouldn't be worried about taking a 'full' OTC dose, or even a full prescription dose of naproxen per day for a while. In terms of the stomach lining, aspirin is far and away the greatest potential for irritation; and tylenol's risk to the stomach is essentially zero. They are equivalent in terms of fever reduction and some types of pain relief and aspirin has special risks for children. Tylenol's big limitation in this discussion is that it is zero anti-inflammatory, which anti-inflammatory effect is very often a valuable feature. Naproxen and ibuprofen aren't anywhere near as irritating to the stomach as aspirin, and are better anti-inflammatories and carry the benefit of less frequent dosing and safer mild overdosing. None of them carry the risk to the liver or kidneys that tylenol does with acute overdose and chronic overuse. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin