From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 11:48:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Aug 1 11:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AED45794821Csylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7535840.stm I don't know how many were on the bus, but I find it horrifying that no one came to the victims aid. even 2 other sturdy male or female passengers could probably have put an end to the stabbing. We are over-trained not to be vigilante, which was precisely why 9/11 was succesful. Not that I want people to be vigilantes, police, judge and jury, but saving lives is a worthy activity. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 1 12:00:33 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: In article , "bar0" wrote: > "Indigo" wrote: > > > .. How about you not getting served a dangerously hot liquid in the first > > place? > > Because then it's cold, and by the time you dissolve sugar and add cream, > it's almost frozen. McDonald's was brewing its coffee at temperatures close to boiling - 195 to 205 degrees. It was serving it at 180 to 190 degrees. They could reduce that 20-25 degrees without serving cold coffee. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 1 12:24:19 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 1 12:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Politics of hate alive and well in John McCain's house References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > I really really hope that obama doesn't get into a big negative campaign. > It would stand out, I think, if he didn't and that may have a positive > impact on voters. Yes, in an ideal world the candidates would discuss the issues and their plans, and the voters would make their decisions based on those plans. However, this ain't an ideal world. Candidates go negative because it works. Ask Max Cleland and Harold Ford if going negative works. And candidates who are attacked have to respond because not doing so makes them look weak (e.g., Kerry v. Swift Boat Liars). The polls show that there's a lot of voters who still have questions about Obama. If he doesn't hit back hard against McCain's attacks, he risks letting his opponent define him, and once defined it would be difficult if not impossible to change that perception. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 13:17:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Aug 1 13:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AED639668407sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Bar0" wrote in news:g6vb87$ugm$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I don't know how many were on the bus, but I find it horrifying that >> no one came to the victims aid. even 2 other sturdy male or female >> passengers could probably have put an end to the stabbing. > > It's hard to be judgmental without knowing the facts of the case. There > may > not have been any big guys nearby, the guy may already have been dead > before anyone noticed. If someone is going totally crazy and has a very > sharp knife, even two big guys are definitely going to have some serious > injuries. > > > Probably so, unless some had access to a hockey stick or other weapon, but I believe when I was a boy the likelihood of the attacker being tackled was far greater than today. It hasn't helped that many offenders get light sentences, and that there have been successful prosecutions of folks defending their own homes, or that people like Goetz, and those 2 Texas border guards are prosecuted by granting immunity to a thugs. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 18:14:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Aug 1 18:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] From "What's New" (UoM), Karadjic in the world court. Message-ID: Nice way to put it: from: http://www.bobpark.org "Thirteen years after his indictment in connection with the Srebrenica massacre and the deadly siege of Sarajevo, Radovan Karadzic was found with a beard and a new identity living openly in Belgrade. How could a mass murderer support himself for 13 years without drawing on his past? No problem. He practiced alternative medicine, which requires little more than a lack of scruples. He was fully qualified." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 18:36:04 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 1 18:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Politics of hate alive and well in John McCain's house References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AED6409FE73Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > > It's one thing to defend what is being said about you. It's another > entirely to retort with more attacks, particularly unrelated attacks that > have nothing to do with the initial accusation. It's like a childrens' > playground and it's absurd. That's one thing I like about Obama, as yet, he hasn't gotten down in the gutter with the Rove-esque dirt. He's got a website to dispel the rumors and lies, but I'm wondering how long it's going to be before he's slinging the mud right back at them. McCain wants to first portray Obama as "elitist", well shit, who cheated on his ex wife and married one of the richest women in AZ? I wonder between the two of them, who belongs to the most golf clubs, who lives the most elite and posh lifestyle....pot calling the kettle black, and yet no one's pointing this out. Then he wants to say he's playing the "race card", with all his mock outrage and shock. Is it possible to be an elitist half-black man? McCain just looks like a limp dick now, I think he's well past it. I love this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/isabel-wilkinson/a-week-in-john-mccains-sh_b_115692.html This summer John McCain is traveling in style. He has worn a pair of $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes on every recent campaign stop — from a news conference with the Dalai Lama to a supermarket visit in Bethlehem, PA. The Calfskin loafers, with silver-tone "Gancini" buckles, are imported from Italy. In response to Barack Obama's foreign tour, McCain spent much of his energy last week emphasizing his focus on domestic issues. What better way to show his American pride than to tour the country in Italian leather? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:04:36 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Politics of hate alive and well in John McCain's house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > That's one thing I like about Obama, as yet, he hasn't gotten down in the > gutter with the Rove-esque dirt. He's got a website to dispel the rumors > and lies, but I'm wondering how long it's going to be before he's slinging > the mud right back at them. My first impression of BHO came when watching his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention. I said out loud, "this is a guy who is going places." Many have commented that he actually speaks to "us" like adults. Yet it may be naive of me to think the general populace of this country can't help but to "think of an elephant." Obama came very close to the playground politics with his response to the "Brittany" ad: "...all we hear about is Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. Is that the best you can come up with?" To his credit, he preceded the remark with "Given the magnitude of the issues, you'd think we could have a serious debate." And this just in: 'Hilton Slams McCain for Using Her Image without Permission' http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=28734 > McCain wants to first portray Obama as "elitist" Uh, yeah. John Sidney McCain III, "one of us." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:17:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Politics of hate alive and well in John McCain's house References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g704q5$rhg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > My first impression of BHO came when watching his keynote address at the > 2004 Democratic convention. I said out loud, "this is a guy who is going > places." I thought the same thing - he was bright and articulate, and to me at least didn't scream 'politician'. I still like him for that reason. I first voted for Hillary in the primaries because admittedly, I got a little wistful for the Clinton era when I was much much better off. Then she and Bill losts me with the dirt slinging, not necessary, and that's what cost her the election. > > Many have commented that he actually speaks to "us" like adults. Yet it > may be naive of me to think the general populace of this country can't > help but to "think of an elephant." We are a nation of idiots, famous for voting against our own interests and believing, without research, every sound bite that comes our way. I liked that he was honest enough to dismiss the 'gas tax break' as nothing but a gimmick - it was, nothing but a gimmick, aimed at the lowest possible denominator who only think of their immediate satisfaction and getting some money, not what it will cost in the long run, and that it would only save a grand total of $20. McCain still slams him for it, because that's what he thinks is going to get people's attention. Obama didn't want to give you money, I did. > > Obama came very close to the playground politics with his response to the > "Brittany" ad: "...all we hear about is Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. > Is that the best you can come up with?" To his credit, he preceded the > remark with "Given the magnitude of the issues, you'd think we could have > a serious debate." Yeah, but the only 'sound byte' out of that was "is that the best you can do", not the rest of it. > > And this just in: 'Hilton Slams McCain for Using Her Image without > Permission' > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=28734 I'll believe she's offended when she files a lawsuit. > >> McCain wants to first portray Obama as "elitist" > > Uh, yeah. John Sidney McCain III, "one of us." From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:29:21 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Politics of hate alive and well in John McCain's house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I first voted for Hillary in the primaries because admittedly, I got a little wistful for the Clinton era when I was much much better off. Then she and Bill losts me with the dirt slinging, not necessary, and that's what cost her the election. Under fire in Bosnia! > We are a nation of idiots, famous for voting against our own interests and believing, without research, every sound bite that comes our way. I think that's somewhat of an oversimplification. Labor unions once flourished in our "capitalist" society, that was an amazing thing when you stop to think about it. But your point is well-taken here. That's why I posted "The Hegelian Principle." >> And this just in: 'Hilton Slams McCain for Using Her Image without >> Permission' >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=28734 > > I'll believe she's offended when she files a lawsuit. It could get interesting. She certainly has access to lawyers! Gotta go play racquetball now... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:39:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: $#%&* Ants in my pants! (erm...kitchen I mean) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AEDC1283FA7BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> But I figure with Chlordane all the risks/problems/etc are KNOWN.... >> I doubt we can say that for all the other junk on the market today.... > > Isn't that one of the ones that's bioaccumulative? Yeah. All kinds of > known problems with it... Of course, my organic chemistry knowledge comes > from Zodiak, so, hey. (It was a decent read.) Well, the infestation has slowed to a trickle, and I think I figured out why the liquid bait wasn't working as well as hoped -- it's apparently too strong. Last night I spilled some of the liquid out of the trap on purpose, then sprinkled some sugar on the liquid to further entice the ants. This morning I found a bunch of dead ants around the "super-baited" area on the counter. Still need to take down the kitchen window drapes and mini-blinds and find the likely crack in the trim above the window so I can caulk it and put an end to this. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:50:15 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 1 19:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AED4696088FCsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... We all know how difficult it is to get those lids off without > spilling a drop therefore use that foreknowledge to protect yourself. Not all. Since I've never consumed a cup of coffee in my life, I have no idea what it's like to open one of those lids. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 1 19:57:57 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 1 20:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bar0" wrote in message news:g6vb87$ugm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9AED45794821Csylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7535840.stm > > I don't know how many were on the bus, but I find it horrifying that no > one came to the victims aid. even 2 other sturdy male or female passengers > could probably have put an end to the stabbing. Erm, if I were faced with a psycho wielding a big military style hunting knife I'd likely not jump on him myself.....and it's not like the passengers had the time to organize and plan like those heroes on the 3rd 9/11 plane where they overpowered the hijackers and crashed the plane on purpose. The guy on the bus was probably as good as dead within seconds. Why add to the carnage, especially when the carnage would be you? If he had attacked other passengers, that would be a different scenario entirely. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 3 12:26:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Aug 3 12:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: $#%&* Ants in my pants! (erm...kitchen I mean) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AEDD27ECB111TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Well, the infestation has slowed to a trickle, and I think I figured >> out why the liquid bait wasn't working as well as hoped -- it's >> apparently too strong > > Ah, it caused ant chloracne but in a really bad way. Dude... Just stop > using that stuff - it'll kill you! Huh? I'm not using chloracne or any other hazardous ant bait. In any case, it appears some of the hardier worker ants made it back to the colony with the poison, haven't seen a live ant since the day after I "sweetened" the trap. Cleaned up the caked on gooky mess from the counter yesterday and disinfected everything, I'm good to go until next year, probably. Still need to find that crack(s) in the kitchen window caulk though, it's a heat leak if nothing else. My medical bills are killing me right now, so I'm doing everything I can to keep the sun and heat out of the house to limit my airco bills. Amazing but true, simply closing the dining room bay window blinds, the double deck door sliding slat curtains, and blackout curtains in my bedroom (thanks to the ex-g/f, I never had good curtains in there before) during the afternoon when the sun beats down on that side of the house has lowered my electricity bill by $15-$20/month. And all the plants I have in the dining room don't seem to be minding the lower light levels, so all is well, if not a bit dim! I always knew it got hotter in the dining room/kitchen during the afternoon, even the living room warmed up a bit, but I had no idea how much it was costing me. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 3 16:50:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Aug 3 16:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: $#%&* Ants in my pants! (erm...kitchen I mean) References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AEF8A6CFD5F4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... .... >> Huh? I'm not using chloracne or any other hazardous ant bait. > > Chloracne is a disease, not a product. > "Chloracne is an acne-like eruption of blackheads, cysts, and pustules > associated with over-exposure to certain halogenated aromatic compounds, > such as chlorinated dioxins and dibenzofurans." > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloracne And here I thought he was joking around, sorta like reading the destructions before using. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 4 03:28:35 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 4 03:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Hegelian Principle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> The principle is simple, consisting of only three steps > > You're bummin' me out, dude. Hey, sorry. You want me to find you some youtubes of cute puppies? From gezgin at spamcop.net Mon Aug 4 10:09:55 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net (Opinicus) Date: Mon Aug 4 10:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The Hegelian Principle References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote >> Hey, sorry. You want me to find you some youtubes of cute puppies? > The movie of the moose calves playing in the sprinkler will surely > suffice. I've looked at that clip carefully and it seems pretty certain to me that mama moose has been trained. (It's obvious that she and her calves been there before.) If you listen carefully there's what sounds like an off-screen whistle at about 00:21 seconds in on my copy. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 4 16:12:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 4 16:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: $#%&* Ants in my pants! (erm...kitchen I mean) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AEF8A6CFD5F4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Chloracne is a disease, not a product. > "Chloracne is an acne-like eruption of blackheads, cysts, and pustules > associated with over-exposure to certain halogenated aromatic compounds, > such as chlorinated dioxins and dibenzofurans." > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloracne > Oh. Got that confused with the banned ant killer. I can't smell anything from any of the bait traps I still have out, although that doesn't mean I'm not inhaling some kind of toxic fumes, I guess......can't be too toxic or they wouldn't be allowed on the market and advertised as lasting up to 3 months for long term indoor use. I know touching the stuff is dangerous, but except for the liquid trap you can't get to the poison by accident. > Chlordane... That's a banned bug killer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlordane > "EPA has set a limit in drinking water of 2 ppb." Whoa. 2 ppb isn't very > fricking much. > > No shite! Amazing they can even measure something at that level! I thought those machines were only accurate to 5 ppb, meaning anything less than that is stated as "< 5 ppb". No, I take that back -- I thought we could only measure to 5 ppM, not ppB! Must be some new technology. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 11:49:28 2008 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: <4890A545.A929AFE8@spamcop.net> <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <48987688.388F5D04@spamcop.net> "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > In article <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net>, > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > They're able to do it by abusing the bankruptcy laws. At least > > that's what was the case in the ones I've see. There are different > > forms of bankruptcy. (Chapter 11, chapter 7, and chapter 13 are > > the "favorites" for this, as I recall.) > > OK, this statement is a tipoff that you're either confused or don't know > what you're talking about. Chapter 11 is solely for corporations. People > trying to avoid foreclosure would not be able to use Chapter 11 at all. True, I'm not familiar with bankruptcy law. However, I do know that people use whatever chapters are appropriate for different types of personal bankruptcies. I can ask my cousin for more specifics if you need. He's a lawyer, and has been assigned to numerous foreclosure sales, only to have the sale cancelled at the last moment because the owner filed for bankruptcy... again. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | #include | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 11:57:10 2008 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: <4890A229.AE43D50@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <48987856.64CD8755@spamcop.net> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote in news:g6qmds$fdr$1 [...] > > "In 1980, due to inflation, national banks (banks that generally > include > > N.A. in their name), federally chartered savings banks, installment > plan > > sellers and chartered loan companies were exempted from state usury > > limits by the federal government through a special law. This > effectively > > overrode all state and local usury laws." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#Usury_statutes_in_the_United_States > > > > And that is the real tragedy. The states should have the right to > > establish their own standards for usury. > > Well there's usury and there's personally being irresponsible. Usury > should not be permitted any more than being able to walk away from your > debts should be. Seems to me the opposite of usury has been going on > lately! And that puts the burden on those of us who haven't borrowed a > dime, as well as the (possibly equally irresponsible banks) who may then > collapse and THAT will affect all of us. That would be a far bigger > tragedy. And then there are scam artists who use (or attempt to, at least) usury laws for their benefit. They borrow money from their victim, offering a high rate of interest for a short-term loan. ("I'll give you 10% interest for a one-month loan" -- effectively paying them 120% per annum.) Then they refuse to pay back the money, and claim they don't have to under the usury laws. (The laws were written to protect people from loan sharks and the like, so they are written such that a usurious loan doesn't need to be repaid.) Fortunately, in the cases I am personally aware of, the courts have ruled that, since it was the borrower who set the rate, rather than the lender, the exemption does not apply to them. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | #include | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 12:00:45 2008 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Aug 5 13:05:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 'Pentagon hacker' loses extradition appeal References: Message-ID: <4898792D.CF60D734@spamcop.net> "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > In article , > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > Tim McGraw wrote in news:g6qtjm$2e2$1 > > @news.spamcop.net: > > > > > "McKinnon has acknowledged accessing the computers, but he disputes the > > > reported damage and said he did it because he wanted to find evidence > > > that America was concealing the existence of aliens." > > > > LOL > > > > It's a rather worrying case when you think about it. This lone wolf was > > able to crack what should be among the most secure computer networks in the > > world? Imagine what an organised attack put up by a hostile government > > could achieve. > > Especially embarrassing when you consider that the U.S. Air Force has > been running recruitment ads on TV touting how they defend the Pentagon > against three million computer attacks every day. What they forget to mention is that there are three million and one attacks. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | #include | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From me at privacy.net Tue Aug 5 14:21:08 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 5 14:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 'Pentagon hacker' loses extradition appeal References: <4898792D.CF60D734@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:4898792D.CF60D734@spamcop.net... | "D.F. Manno" wrote: | > | > In article , | > Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > | > > Tim McGraw wrote in news:g6qtjm$2e2$1 | > > @news.spamcop.net: | > > | > > > "McKinnon has acknowledged accessing the computers, but he disputes the | > > > reported damage and said he did it because he wanted to find evidence | > > > that America was concealing the existence of aliens." | > > | > > LOL | > > | > > It's a rather worrying case when you think about it. This lone wolf was | > > able to crack what should be among the most secure computer networks in the | > > world? Imagine what an organised attack put up by a hostile government | > > could achieve. | > | > Especially embarrassing when you consider that the U.S. Air Force has | > been running recruitment ads on TV touting how they defend the Pentagon | > against three million computer attacks every day. | | What they forget to mention is that there are three million and one | attacks. | | No matter how high you build a security fence all the bad guys have to do is jump one inch higer and they get to pick the place. From me at privacy.net Tue Aug 5 14:24:32 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 5 14:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: <4890A545.A929AFE8@spamcop.net> <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net> <48987688.388F5D04@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:48987688.388F5D04@spamcop.net... | "D.F. Manno" wrote: | > | > In article <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net>, | > Kenneth Brody wrote: | > | > > They're able to do it by abusing the bankruptcy laws. At least | > > that's what was the case in the ones I've see. There are different | > > forms of bankruptcy. (Chapter 11, chapter 7, and chapter 13 are | > > the "favorites" for this, as I recall.) | > | > OK, this statement is a tipoff that you're either confused or don't know | > what you're talking about. Chapter 11 is solely for corporations. People | > trying to avoid foreclosure would not be able to use Chapter 11 at all. | | True, I'm not familiar with bankruptcy law. However, I do know | that people use whatever chapters are appropriate for different | types of personal bankruptcies. I can ask my cousin for more | specifics if you need. He's a lawyer, and has been assigned to | numerous foreclosure sales, only to have the sale cancelled at | the last moment because the owner filed for bankruptcy... again. | Complicating the homeowner bankruptcy is that is a few states (Texas comes to mind) with the exemption of a mortgage leans homestead exemptions protect a lot of propertty a bankruptcy (Ken Lay was able to keep a multi million home dispite judgments, fines etc. From me at privacy.net Tue Aug 5 14:39:36 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 5 14:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Need info no traveling audio system References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g6lng1$qre$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:g6lm7s$mag$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > How about mouse ears used at Airports? | | Huh? Noise canceling head phones as hearing protection. I used those when I was studying for finals and the rest of the world was into parting, | | > | > And by extension NC ear buds or ear plugs (used in high noise | > environments.) | | While driving a motor vehicle on a public road? | | > | > and the $64K question if the deaf can drive safely why the hype for ear | > phones? | > | > | Good point, dunno the answer, except that it would likely violate the laws | concerning handicaps to ban deaf drivers from getting a license. My point was that the requirement had no legitimate basis in the real world (other than allowing the police to nail folk for violations that had no impact on safety). An aside I was in the rent truck without ear phone or other hearing protection or even the radio on and I could not hear an air horn from a truck more then 10 foot away while doing 60 MPH. Interesting such laws would conflict with other laws that require a hands free cell phone usage,. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 19:15:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 5 19:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Need info no traveling audio system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7a6ts$sl7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Interesting such laws would conflict with other laws that require a hands > free cell phone usage,. > > Lots of laws on the books that don't make much sense. And recent studies have shown that even hands free cell phone usage in the car is still a serious problem, most people can't carry on a conversation and drive at the same time (can't multitask), they can only concentrate on one thing at a time. So the accident rate for using ANY kind of communication device while driving is high. It's only a matter of time before the morons, the lowest common denominator, lead to laws outlawing all use of cell phones while driving. DC already has that law on the books, no states have joined them yet, but it comes up for debate every year here in MD during the legislative session and gains ground every time. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 19:20:56 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 5 19:25:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: <4890A545.A929AFE8@spamcop.net> <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net> <48987688.388F5D04@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7a5uc$pq2$2@news.spamcop.net... > > Complicating the homeowner bankruptcy is that is a few states (Texas comes > to mind) with the exemption of a mortgage leans homestead exemptions > protect > a lot of propertty a bankruptcy (Ken Lay was able to keep a multi > million > home dispite judgments, fines etc. > > I think Florida is most famous for that kind of law, probably due to OJ Simpson. However, at least in FL, if the feds can prove that the homestead was purchased with money obtained by fraudulent means, they can over-rule the state law and sieze the house to pay off creditors. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 5 19:37:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Tue Aug 5 19:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: <4890A545.A929AFE8@spamcop.net> <4890DA03.971C6B4F@spamcop.net> <48987688.388F5D04@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7an8o$irc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:g7a5uc$pq2$2@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Complicating the homeowner bankruptcy is that is a few states (Texas >> comes >> to mind) with the exemption of a mortgage leans homestead exemptions >> protect >> a lot of propertty a bankruptcy (Ken Lay was able to keep a multi >> million >> home dispite judgments, fines etc. >> >> > I think Florida is most famous for that kind of law, probably due to OJ > Simpson. However, at least in FL, if the feds can prove that the homestead > was purchased with money obtained by fraudulent means, they can over-rule > the state law and sieze the house to pay off creditors. If the feds can do it in Florida they can do it anywhere. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 14:13:03 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 14:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Toby Keith Message-ID: This guy is, like, ignorant. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 15:33:36 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 15:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> This guy is, like, ignorant. > > ? > > > If this is the issue you're talking about, well, it seems a little blown up. But, hey, maybe there's something else. Same issue, different day. And aa know, it takes a lot to "shock" Glenn Beck. > During Keith's appearance on the July 30 broadcast of Beck's show, he remarked, "I think the black people would say he [Obama] don't talk, act or carry himself as a black person." > > "What does that even mean?" the audibly shocked Beck replied. > > "Well, I don't know what that means," Keith drawled, "but I think that that's what they would say. Even though the black society would pull for him I still think that they think in the back of their mind that the only reason he is in [the general election] is because he talks, acts and carries himself as a Caucasian." Hey, Toby... do you know /anything/ about /real/ country music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-I9v1S40Kk And oh yeah, that "Caucasian" thingy went out of style with... um... lynching? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 15:45:59 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 15:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] The 5 Greatest Things Ever Accomplished While High Message-ID: http://www.cracked.com/article_16532_5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-while-high.html Um, what were we talking about? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 16:07:03 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Same issue, different day. > > Oh. Got it. Ah well. Well, that info was in your New Republic link, but not the full TK quote. And Jason Zengerle did point out that Keith was actually opposed to the Iraq War, but that was before he was opposed to the Dixie Chicks. Anyway, has anyone had their laptop or PDA taken away from them in an airport yet? http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN0126069520080801 From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 16:26:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF286374BEEBsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:g707u3$8fg$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Erm, if I were faced with a psycho wielding a big military style >> hunting knife I'd likely not jump on him myself.....and it's not like >> the passengers had the time to organize and plan like those heroes on >> the 3rd 9/11 plane where they overpowered the hijackers and crashed >> the plane on purpose. The guy on the bus was probably as good as dead >> within seconds. Why add to the carnage, especially when the carnage >> would be you? If he had attacked other passengers, that would be a >> different scenario entirely. > > You mean the 'heroes' who actually never did anything and who were really > shot out of the sky by military strikes? > > Hubby is convinced of this scenario after someone giving evidence at a > Guantanamo trial for Bin Laden's driver a couple of weeks ago supposedly > let slip that they were shot down. > > I'm on the fence about it, having been skeptical at first. After all, what > do we really know? Only what we're told. The conversations with families > may all have occurred before it was attacked or they may not have happened > at all. I think wreckage would have been far more widespread if it had > been > shot down but who knows? Now I'm really confused. Are there 2 different conversations going on here? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 19:24:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Aug 6 19:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7cpjf$nnv$1@news.spamcop.net... > This guy is, like, ignorant. Hello, he's a Bible-thumping-Republican-country singer.....what would you expect? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:09:15 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF286374BEEBsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > You mean the 'heroes' who actually never did anything and who were really > shot out of the sky by military strikes? > > Hubby is convinced of this scenario after someone giving evidence at a > Guantanamo trial for Bin Laden's driver a couple of weeks ago supposedly > let slip that they were shot down. Oh, puh-leaze...some scumbag in Gitmo trying to save his own ass makes up some story about the plane getting shot down and hubby actually believes it? How the hell could that guy know unless he was there (and therefore he would be dead)? Don't they even have recordings of the cockpit and cell phones right down to the moment the plane hit the ground? Besides, there is no way in hell anyone could keep every possible witness silent for so long -- and there weren't any fighter jets in the air within a hundred miles of that place to start with! Geesh, talk about gullible......right wing conspiracy nuts.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:14:40 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF284C139D8Csylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in news:g707fm$6ta$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Not all. Since I've never consumed a cup of coffee in my life, I have no >> idea what it's like to open one of those lids. >> >> > > You never drank a coffee? I thought I was the only person living who > didn't > lol. Only reason I ever took a lid off is to put hubby's sugar in the cup! Nope. I've bought my fair share for whomever, but I've never even taken the lid off of one of those cups. My Dad drank his coffee black, I tasted it when I was little and was disgusted by the bitter taste. Used to love the smell of freshly ground coffee beans at the A&P market though! Each checkout line had a big honking red coffee grinder at the end of the counter. Good thing I never got hooked on it, caffeine and my gut have not gotten along in the last 3-4 years, so I didn't have to go thru caffeine withdrawl along with my Lyme problems! I've read that giving up caffeine is about as hard as quitting heroin, your body actually goes thru a pretty bad physical withdrawl. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:16:07 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:g7cpjf$nnv$1@news.spamcop.net... >> This guy is, like, ignorant. > > Hello, he's a Bible-thumping-Republican-country singer.... He's always professed to be a Democrat. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:21:51 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7des7$lb0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > He's always professed to be a Democrat. Kind of like the way Arnold is a liberal Repugnican? I've never heard of a Democrat who supports Bush...... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:29:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: The 5 Greatest Things Ever Accomplished While High In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7cv1n$cdc$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.cracked.com/article_16532_5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-while-high.html > > Um, what were we talking about? Heh. Moses on 'shrooms ;-) I'm sure that could make a burning bush appear! I still think the no-hitter thrown by Doc Ellis is the most "impressive" feat every done while under the influence, but I didn't know he had dropped 3 tabs that morning! Sheesh! Surprised he could even move and talk with that kind of load on. And not to leave out another one, most of Edgar Allen Poe's fantastic stories of horror were written under the influence of alcohol and opium. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:34:59 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF2CEAB2FED9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> My Dad drank his coffee black, I tasted it >> when I was little and was disgusted by the bitter taste > > Aha! So you did drink some! I knew it! A sip or "taste" does not a "drink" make! I did not inhale! I *did* however find the taste of Schmidt's beer to be quite pleasant (I was only 5-6, it was brewed in nearby Philly, so gimme a break already! ;-) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 6 20:54:22 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 6 20:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> He's always professed to be a Democrat. > > Kind of like the way Arnold is a liberal Repugnican? At least Arnold knows that keeping the tires on his hummer properly inflated is a Good Thing?! > I've never heard of a Democrat who supports Bush...... Nancy Pelosi re: habeas corpus. From me at privacy.net Wed Aug 6 20:55:13 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Aug 6 21:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7des7$lb0$1@news.spamcop.net... | Heidi wrote: | > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message | > news:g7cpjf$nnv$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> This guy is, like, ignorant. | > | > Hello, he's a Bible-thumping-Republican-country singer.... | | He's always professed to be a Democrat. So? GWB & co have been claiming to be conservatives AND Republicans. From dfmanno at mail.com Wed Aug 6 21:00:33 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Aug 6 21:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > Anyway, has anyone had their laptop or PDA taken away from them in an > > airport yet? > > http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN0126069520080801 > > That's ridiculous. How long are they allowed to hold onto it before > returning it? This is the Bush administration - they don't have to return it at all. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Thu Aug 7 04:43:31 2008 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Aug 7 04:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Destination unknown Message-ID: Well, I have already been a bit infrequent here in the last few months but in a few days it will be even more so. My job is done, I finally got my passport back from the Home Office, I have a Russian visa and should have a Chinese visa tomorrow. Tuesday I catch the ferry to Norway and the round the world journey begins. It should take about five months or so. The route and everything hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and China to make the visa people happy and I know it ends in Australia somewhere. So, cool, finally after months of waiting, here I go. From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 7 06:41:53 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 7 06:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:g7ecjl$8b3$1@news.spamcop.net... | Well, I have already been a bit infrequent here in the last few months | but in a few days it will be even more so. My job is done, I finally | got my passport back from the Home Office, I have a Russian visa and | should have a Chinese visa tomorrow. | | Tuesday I catch the ferry to Norway and the round the world journey | begins. It should take about five months or so. The route and | everything hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and | China to make the visa people happy and I know it ends in Australia | somewhere. | | So, cool, finally after months of waiting, here I go. Enjoy. Check in when you have opportunity. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 07:24:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Aug 7 07:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:g7ecjl$8b3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > So, cool, finally after months of waiting, here I go. Good for you - be safe and do keep in touch, I really do enjoy your photos! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 17:04:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Aug 7 17:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF3AC3E68BE6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> ew! now beer is another thing I won't drink, it tastes how i imagine >> piss to taste >> > > You don't even know what you're talking about. Have you tried Utopias? > That's like drinking port (to some extent). For one example. It does taste somewhat like it smells (when fresh), which is nothing like what piss smells (and presumably tastes) like. However the reason it passes to the bladder so quickly is that is usually doesn't have to stop to change colour, only taste. From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 7 20:58:41 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 7 21:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] BigDog References: Message-ID: http://www.bostondynamics.com/content/sec.php?section=BigDog From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:20:23 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF34B0869825sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... Many painkillers have caffeine in > them, I assume that's how you know your gut doesn't like it? > Only painkiller I know that has caffeine is Execedrin, an OTC drug. Plenty of homeopathic natual energy supplements have caffeine too, so I have to watch what I take. I took a couple No-Doze almost every morning for many years, the equivalent of two cups of coffee, as I have always had trouble waking up and thinking straight in the 15-20 minutes between the time I get out of bed and get in the car to go to work or whatever. I stopped doing that even before I came down with Lyme symptoms, musta been at least 5 years ago or more I gave it up, it was occasionally giving me GI problems back then so I quit cold turkey -- no headaches, no withdrawl. I attributed that to the fact that my overall daily consumption of caffeine was really pretty low compared to someone who drank coffee all day long. I used to get into arguments all the time with people who were "horrified" to hear that I was taking No-Doze (you're taking drugs!) while they consumed 2-3 cups of coffee in the first few hours at work -- what the hell is the difference? It's just a different delivery system! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:24:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF34B261C81Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:g7dfvj$nkm$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I *did* however find the taste of Schmidt's beer to be quite pleasant >> (I was only 5-6, it was brewed in nearby Philly, so gimme a break >> already! ;-) >> >> > > ew! now beer is another thing I won't drink, it tastes how i imagine piss > to taste Well, I dunno what piss tastes like, but a good cold beer after a hot sweaty workout is not only good for you but damn refreshing! I don't really drink beer nowadays, I gain weight like crazy when I drink it for some reason, but I still enjoy the occasional locally brewed draft lagers. And an ice cold beer on the 15th or 16th hole of a round of golf is a nice way to end the day! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:25:35 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF3AC3E68BE6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Sylvesterthekat ! > >> ew! now beer is another thing I won't drink, it tastes how i imagine >> piss to taste >> > > You don't even know what you're talking about. Have you tried Utopias? > That's like drinking port (to some extent). For one example. Have *you* tried Utopias? Are you saying you spend $600 on beer (port-like or not)? Huh, they can't even sell it here....... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:26:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF34B261C81Asylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:g7dfvj$nkm$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I *did* however find the taste of Schmidt's beer to be quite pleasant >> (I was only 5-6, it was brewed in nearby Philly, so gimme a break >> already! ;-) >> >> > > ew! now beer is another thing I won't drink, it tastes how i imagine piss > to taste What do you think those Clydesdales are *for*, anyway? ;) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:27:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF3B7E31F088sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... And never mention Stroh in > my presence, I may vomit in your lap. Strohs Strohs Strohs! ;-) That was brewed in PA too, IIRC, kinda grew up on that (and Gennesse Cream Ale, now it is unpalatable, even sickening tasting). From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:27:31 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF3B7E31F088sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Charles wrote in > Ew Port. LOL. I loathe beer and I dislike most alcoholic drinks, > especially > Drambuie. I like some wines, mostly reds. Baileys is good and margaritas > are my favourites but I don't like neat tequila. And never mention Stroh > in > my presence, I may vomit in your lap. Scandal. A Brit who doesn't like Port. What is WRONG with you......port is YUMMY....with Stilton, even better..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:28:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF36960E4CB1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> talk about gullible > > Mr. Pot? Anyway, uh, you believe that some people on a plane are heroes > despite having nothing to back this up. What, you didn't see "Flight 93"? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:28:57 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9AF34DC20EF92sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > ROFL@ Mr Pot. > > You know when you think about it, they can feed us all sorts of stuff as > 'truth'. Just because a movie has been made about it and supposedly we've > heard recordings of calls does not mean that it happened the way we've > been > fed. I'm not saying it means they were shot down either but it's all a bit > engineered... Jessica Lynch wasn't really a hero either, but it sure made for good "pro war" fodder...... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:29:50 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:30:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:g7ecjl$8b3$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, I have already been a bit infrequent here in the last few months but > in a few days it will be even more so. My job is done, I finally got my > passport back from the Home Office, I have a Russian visa and should have > a Chinese visa tomorrow. > > Tuesday I catch the ferry to Norway and the round the world journey > begins. It should take about five months or so. The route and everything > hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and China to > make the visa people happy and I know it ends in Australia somewhere. > > So, cool, finally after months of waiting, here I go. Have a great time, and take plenty of photos to post on the web for us! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 7 22:34:07 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 7 22:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF34D870CEA3TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! > >> The route and >> everything hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and >> China to make the visa people happy > > NPR tells us that to make the Chinese happy... Is really tough. Yup. They even tossed one of the US olympic athletes out of the country yesterday for comments he made on Darfur and China. That should be absolutely illegal and subject to severe penalties by the worldwide Olympic Committee! Imagine if every host country was free to kick out any Olympian because they didn't like something about them, what a clusterfsck! China will probably get away with it though, and I'll be royally PO'd about it. I already am. From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 03:33:57 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 03:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: I found some camping equipment on sale last November and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 03:34:09 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 03:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Joke References: Message-ID: A pirate walks into a bar and the bartender asks, What happened? You look terrible.' 'What do you mean?' said the pirate, 'I feel fine.' Bartender: 'What about the wooden leg? You didn't have that before.' Pirate: 'Well, we were in a battle and I got hit with a cannon ball, but I'm fine now.' Bartender: 'Well, OK, but what about that hook? What happened to your hand?' Pirate: 'We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook. I'm fine, really.' Bartender: 'What about that eye patch?' Pirate: 'Oh, one day we were at sea and a flock of birds flew over. I looked up and one of them shit in my eye.' Bartender: 'You're kidding, you lost an eye just from bird shit?' Pirate: 'It was my first day with the hook.' From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 03:39:57 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 03:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7gbb2$ogp$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Charles" wrote in message | news:Xns9AF34D870CEA3TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | > It wasn't me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! | > | >> The route and | >> everything hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and | >> China to make the visa people happy | > | > NPR tells us that to make the Chinese happy... Is really tough. | | Yup. They even tossed one of the US olympic athletes out of the country | yesterday for comments he made on Darfur and China. That should be | absolutely illegal and subject to severe penalties by the worldwide Olympic | Committee! Imagine if every host country was free to kick out any Olympian | because they didn't like something about them, what a clusterfsck! China | will probably get away with it though, and I'll be royally PO'd about it. I | already am. Wasn't that a PAST olympic athlete? Same facts but a slight different light. Regardless it gave more medial play to the cause. From fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com Fri Aug 8 08:08:37 2008 From: fiyntyd02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! > >> The route and >> everything hasn't been completely planned yet, just enough in Russia and >> China to make the visa people happy > > NPR tells us that to make the Chinese happy... Is really tough. Congrats > on making it through that! Have fun and don't forget to write! Ha. > You're one of those modern-type people so you'll probably have a trip blog. > If you send me the addy I'll think about checking it, um, every now and > then. Maybe. Damn Chinese. They changed the rules again. It is amazing, you read Lonely Planet Thorntree and Chinese visa rules change almost daily. I had apply for the double entry visa, because we won't be to China for a few months but it isn't possible to apply for a visa anywhere but in your country of residence. Australian passport holders they are ok, but American they just changed the rules again two days ago and I only got approved for single entry. So, it runs out half way through being there will be the hassle of getting it extended while we are there. But I guess that's not the end of the world. But stuff should end up here http://tinyurl.com/6m2age I am taking my cute tiny Asus with me, so I will probably write some stuff. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Fri Aug 8 10:30:40 2008 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr. K Mean) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! > >> I am taking my cute tiny Asus with me, so I will probably write some >> stuff. > > Oh, aren't the pictures more important? That is... If you have a camera > that can focus (ahem...). > > Yeah, the Chinese. Crazy people, huh? But I thought you were already all > set? Oh well. Maybe it will be easy to extend while you're there. Ha ha > ha ha ha ha. Um. I didn't take the pictures at the dinner. That's what happens when you leave the flash off in dark places. It seems fine outdoors. Except my lens does have a few annoying smudges on it. Generally I can only see them when I take pictures of a really bright sky. I've bought loads of memory cards and should be able to save them off at points on the way. I cringe to think just how many pictures I'm going to take on the trip. With the Chinese visa, nobody seems to know the rules, but they also seem to change so often (and I suppose writing them down would be too specific and useful). The visa expires in 90 days but we won't enter the country until about 75 days and had planned on a month in China. Nobody seems to know if they chuck you out when it expires or if it is then 30 days after you enter, as long you enter before it expires. If we can't extend, then I guess we will just have to find something else to do. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Fri Aug 8 10:32:47 2008 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr. K Mean) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > Yup. They even tossed one of the US olympic athletes out of the country > yesterday for comments he made on Darfur and China. That should be > absolutely illegal and subject to severe penalties by the worldwide > Olympic Committee! Imagine if every host country was free to kick out > any Olympian because they didn't like something about them, what a > clusterfsck! China will probably get away with it though, and I'll be > royally PO'd about it. I already am. Sounds like hotel bookings are not going very well for the Olympics, too many arbitrary rules and restrictions and not very many people can enter the country. But I guess if you only let in those who will say nice things about China's policies, well, you might have a pretty small crowd. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 10:44:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Aug 8 10:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7gstb$i3b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I found some camping equipment on sale last November > > > and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. > > > I sympathize, I have Camping equipment, but because my kids, outlaws and parents all live in the Pacific Northwest, we go camping there. With baggage restrictions and all, we have to buy equipment for each trip. No one wants it in their basements till next year, so there are a lot of Sally - Anne happy campers. From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 8 12:40:34 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > This is the Bush administration - they don't have to return it at all. > > So DF, what do you make of these allegations that Bush Corp had the CIA > send out ("leak") a fake letter purporting to be from Iraq's head of > intelligence to Saddam saying basically that Atta had trained inside Iraq > and discussing acquiring yellow cake (as their justification for attacking > Iraq)? Ron Suskind (he was on Tavis Smiley last night) has a book out > which, among other things, discusses that and if true it could mean > impeachment. (oh please please please lol) > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ron-suskind/the-forged-iraqi-letter-w_b_ > 117056.html > > http://tinyurl.com/5jz7sd The White House issued a statement smearing Suskind, which means that his reporting must be true. Even aside from that, I wouldn't put it past Cheney's rogue intelligence operation to do something like a forgery. As for impeachment, even if the Democratic congressional "leadership" hadn't taken it off the table, it's too late. It would require a special session of Congress (since the 110th has formally adjourned), and the GOP would just stall, running out the clock. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 8 12:41:10 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith References: Message-ID: In article , Tim McGraw wrote: > Heidi wrote: > > > I've never heard of a Democrat who supports Bush...... > > Nancy Pelosi re: habeas corpus. Obama re: FISA. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 8 12:42:49 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 8 12:45:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > I found some camping equipment on sale last November > > and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. At least you didn't buy a Tate compass, for as we all know, he who has a Tate's is lost. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 12:56:56 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Toby Keith In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Heidi wrote: >>> I've never heard of a Democrat who supports Bush...... >> Nancy Pelosi re: habeas corpus. > Obama re: FISA. True dat. Same issue, same party. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 14:54:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Fri Aug 8 14:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-A3E7C1.12424908082008@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> I found some camping equipment on sale last November >> >> and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. > > At least you didn't buy a Tate compass, for as we all know, he who has a > Tate's is lost. More Google fodder, never heard that song before. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 15:36:10 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment In-Reply-To: References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: >> Frog Prince wrote: >> >>> I found some camping equipment on sale last November >>> >>> and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. >> >> At least you didn't buy a Tate compass, for as we all know, he who has a >> Tate's is lost. > > More Google fodder, never heard that song before. http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/22/messages/24.html This camping gear thread is getting in tents. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Aug 8 16:24:34 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Aug 8 16:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > A pirate walks into a bar and the bartender asks, What happened? You > look terrible.' > > 'What do you mean?' said the pirate, 'I feel fine.' > > Bartender: 'What about the wooden leg? You didn't have that before.' > > Pirate: 'Well, we were in a battle and I got hit with a cannon ball, > but I'm fine now.' > > Bartender: 'Well, OK, but what about that hook? What happened to your > hand?' > > Pirate: 'We were in another battle. I boarded a ship and got into a > sword fight. My hand was cut off. I got fitted with a hook. I'm fine, > really.' > > Bartender: 'What about that eye patch?' > > Pirate: 'Oh, one day we were at sea and a flock of birds flew over. I > looked up and one of them shit in my eye.' > > Bartender: 'You're kidding, you lost an eye just from bird shit?' > > Pirate: 'It was my first day with the hook.' > > > > A pirate walks into a bar and sits down at the counter. The bartender walks up, looks at the pirate, looks down, and notices the pirate has a steering wheel sticking out of the top of his pants. The bartender asks "Excuse me, Mr. Pirate, do you know you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?" The pirate replies, "Yarr, it's driving me nuts." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 17:59:36 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7i77a$dv6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bar0 wrote: >> D.F. Manno wrote: >>> Frog Prince wrote: >>> >>>> I found some camping equipment on sale last November >>>> >>>> and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. >>> >>> At least you didn't buy a Tate compass, for as we all know, he who has a >>> Tate's is lost. >> >> More Google fodder, never heard that song before. > > http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/22/messages/24.html > > This camping gear thread is getting in tents. You should maybe let sleeping bags lie. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 18:36:44 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 8 18:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF461D50EF09TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Of course I've tried Utopias, silly. I did not buy a bottle and it's not > $600. I didn't really like it - it doesn't taste like beer. It's -like- > drinking port but it doesn't taste like port. Yuh huh, it is too $600, at least here.... http://www.internetwines.com/rws28347.html From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 19:29:23 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Damn! Message-ID: A gal I went to high school with has been given a share of yesterday's Powerball winnings! From what I can tell, her parents and another set of parents pooled their tickets and promised to share the winnings with their families, so she's getting $1.4 mil - 25% fed tax = a cool $1 million! Boy, was I smitten with her during and after high school, brown hair, brown eyes, olive skin, beautiful, great bod, smart, funny, and athletic, too bad she plays for the other team! http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/225644 In the pick she's the one on the far left, looks like she went blonde at some point, but you can still see her dark roots if you enlarge the photo. My sister just called me after she saw it on the local news to see if I thought it was the same gal we knew from HS, after looking at the pic, seeing she was still using her maiden name, plus I knew she went into banking, I know it's her. What luck! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 19:33:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7ihps$qd4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Charles" wrote in message > news:Xns9AF461D50EF09TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >> Of course I've tried Utopias, silly. I did not buy a bottle and it's not >> $600. I didn't really like it - it doesn't taste like beer. It's -like- >> drinking port but it doesn't taste like port. > > Yuh huh, it is too $600, at least here.... > http://www.internetwines.com/rws28347.html > Heh. Loved this line, although I'm sure they didn't mean it to be read the way I read it "beer enthusiasts have never enjoyed a beer like Sam Adams Utopias". Never enjoyed, huh? Must taste like crap! ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 19:35:55 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF4602A0FAF8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Indigo" ! >>> Mr. Pot? Anyway, uh, you believe that some people on a plane are heroes >>> despite having nothing to back this up. >> >> What, you didn't see "Flight 93"? > > Oh? You mean it was a documentary? Give me a fricking break! Show me proof that all the cockpit recordings and cell phone 911 calls were faked. No wingnut conspiracy website rumors allowed. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 19:41:46 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Destination unknown In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7gteq$l0j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Wasn't that a PAST olympic athlete? Same facts but a slight different > light. > You're right, he was a speedskater from the winter olympics: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1829803,00.html Now if he wasn't going to enter China to raise an uproar over Darfur, then what the heck was he doing there? Not that it excuses the Chinese government from again silencing a voice of opposition. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 19:42:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 19:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:g7ia1a$meu$1@news.spamcop.net... > A pirate walks into a bar and sits down at the counter. The bartender > walks up, looks at the pirate, looks down, and notices the pirate has a > steering wheel sticking out of the top of his pants. > > The bartender asks "Excuse me, Mr. Pirate, do you know you have a steering > wheel sticking out of your pants?" > > The pirate replies, "Yarr, it's driving me nuts." Good god, that was so stupid it actually made me laugh! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 20:02:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 20:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Man, I can't believe my luck! Message-ID: Guy that sees the same physical therapist as me told her he got a red/infrared light therapy machine worth over $1000 for $65 on Ebay. Some seller had apparently bought the entire inventory of these devices when the manufacturer when out of business last year. He tried it and liked it, I was supposed to get the exact info next week so I could look for it and buy one for myself. I have/had a similar machine I paid $350 for, except it only operated on a frequency that was useful for muscle problems http://www.healiohealth.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jocqrnjok . It worked great, and mean REALLY great, until I hurt my lower back recently, and while treating my sciatic pain in my butt I basically sat on one of the pads, which broke a solder connection on the main circuit board where the power cord connects to the circuit board. I used it a few days by jiggling the power cord, but then it failed completely. I took it apart, figured it was an easy fix, but couldn't get the solder to stick to the circuit board pads, and I ended up breaking it permanently. I figure the solder pads got oxidized from arcing while I was using it while wiggling the power cable, and there was no way for me to clean them up prior to my repair attempt (the break was slightly larger than the size of a human hair and I didn't want to enlarge it and risk breaking the whole component off). So last night, I got the urge to go look up the item on Ebay, and after about an hour's worth of poking around I finally found it, and the guy only had a couple left! Weird thing is he had them for sale for both $50 and $65?! Fearing that if I waited that he would run out of inventory, I proceeded to attempt to purchase the one for $50 (I've never been on Ebay before). Luckily, he has an Ebay "store", so I didn't have to bid for it, and I used a guest Paypal account to pay for it with my credit card. Cool thing about this one is that it can be operated on different frequencies, which can be used for a larger variety of ailments. http://tinyurl.com/6673np I still want to see if I can get the circuit board of my old machine fixed for a reasonable price, it worked well and covered a huge area of my back all at once. Haven't gotten around to calling the company to see if I can send the board back for repair yet, hope they'll do it, else that's $350 down the drain, after only a couple months of use :-( From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 20:05:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 8 20:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF4CA2A94AE0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > DO YOU THINK THAT FLIGHT 93 IS A DOCUMENTARY? I don't. At the VERY BEST > it's a docudrama. Which means that they made a hell of a lot of shit up > 'cause they don't know what really went on. Hello. No. But I betcha dollars to donuts they used the exact recorded conversations as lines in the movie, and based the actors actions on the info that was transmitted to family members via cell phone. You can bitch all you want about it being a docudrama, but I still challenge you to prove that the crash was NOT caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Aug 8 20:16:17 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Aug 8 20:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:g7ia1a$meu$1@news.spamcop.net... >> A pirate walks into a bar and sits down at the counter. The bartender >> walks up, looks at the pirate, looks down, and notices the pirate has >> a steering wheel sticking out of the top of his pants. >> >> The bartender asks "Excuse me, Mr. Pirate, do you know you have a >> steering wheel sticking out of your pants?" >> >> The pirate replies, "Yarr, it's driving me nuts." > > Good god, that was so stupid it actually made me laugh! Those are the best jokes, IMO. :) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 20:41:24 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Aug 8 20:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Charles wrote: >> Indigo wrote: >>> What, you didn't see "Flight 93"? >> >> Oh? You mean it was a documentary? Give me a fricking break! > > Show me proof that all the cockpit recordings and cell phone 911 calls > were faked. No wingnut conspiracy website rumors allowed. My friends who have mobile phones can't go from here to there without dropping a cell, but the people on UAL 93 apparently had crystal clear connections. "Can you hear me now?" That said, as an "inside job" there's no way the government or any other organization could have faked what most probably happened on that flight. Building number seven, though, is a different story... From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 8 21:26:17 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 8 21:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > You can bitch all you want about it being a docudrama, but I still challenge > you to prove that the crash was NOT caused by passengers overwhelming the > hijackers. That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the crash _was_ caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Aug 8 21:29:57 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Aug 8 21:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > A gal I went to high school with has been given a share of yesterday's > Powerball winnings! From what I can tell, her parents and another set of > parents pooled their tickets and promised to share the winnings with their > families, so she's getting $1.4 mil - 25% fed tax = a cool $1 million! Nitpicking: the withholding on the payout will be 20 percent, but the marginal tax rate on that amount is 33 percent. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 22:20:37 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7iksi$4vk$1@news.spamcop.net... Boy, > was I smitten with her during and after high school, brown hair, brown > eyes, olive skin, beautiful, great bod, smart, funny, and athletic, too > bad she plays for the other team! LOL....poor you............ Stupidest thing anyone can do is claim a huge jackpot like that in their own names, they're going to be besieged with people wanting handouts. If I win, I'm going to cough up the dough to have a lawyer claim it in the name of my trust! You guys will never know..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 8 22:25:39 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] What. A. Turd Message-ID: Ugh. I'm disgusted. At least Bill and McCain have company now. If the affair ended in 2006, what was he doing in a hotel room a couple of months ago? Who wants to be Elizabeth Edwards right now? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/08/edwards-admits-sexual-aff_n_117780.html From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 22:19:40 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Man, I can't believe my luck! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7imqb$a06$1@news.spamcop.net... | Guy that sees the same physical therapist as me told her he got a | red/infrared light therapy machine worth over $1000 for $65 on Ebay. Some | seller had apparently bought the entire inventory of these devices when the | manufacturer when out of business last year. He tried it and liked it, I was | supposed to get the exact info next week so I could look for it and buy one | for myself. I have/had a similar machine I paid $350 for, except it only | operated on a frequency that was useful for muscle problems | http://www.healiohealth.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jocqrnjok . | | It worked great, and mean REALLY great, until I hurt my lower back recently, | and while treating my sciatic pain in my butt I basically sat on one of the | pads, which broke a solder connection on the main circuit board where the | power cord connects to the circuit board. I used it a few days by jiggling | the power cord, but then it failed completely. I took it apart, figured it | was an easy fix, but couldn't get the solder to stick to the circuit board | pads, and I ended up breaking it permanently. I figure the solder pads got | oxidized from arcing while I was using it while wiggling the power cable, | and there was no way for me to clean them up prior to my repair attempt (the | break was slightly larger than the size of a human hair and I didn't want to | enlarge it and risk breaking the whole component off). | | So last night, I got the urge to go look up the item on Ebay, and after | about an hour's worth of poking around I finally found it, and the guy only | had a couple left! Weird thing is he had them for sale for both $50 and | $65?! Fearing that if I waited that he would run out of inventory, I | proceeded to attempt to purchase the one for $50 (I've never been on Ebay | before). Luckily, he has an Ebay "store", so I didn't have to bid for it, | and I used a guest Paypal account to pay for it with my credit card. Cool | thing about this one is that it can be operated on different frequencies, | which can be used for a larger variety of ailments. | | http://tinyurl.com/6673np | | I still want to see if I can get the circuit board of my old machine fixed | for a reasonable price, it worked well and covered a huge area of my back | all at once. Haven't gotten around to calling the company to see if I can | send the board back for repair yet, hope they'll do it, else that's $350 | down the drain, after only a couple months of use :-( Proceed carefully as there are a number of gray market and even some knock offs that don't work. From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 22:22:23 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Got a real deal on some camping equipment References: <151b5afa-7da0-43dd-a971-4f4d82b610d5@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <3fa13983-2600-4d3e-b0b5-04bb3406ecd8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7ifk8$kbp$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Tim McGraw" wrote in message | news:g7i77a$dv6$1@news.spamcop.net... | > Bar0 wrote: | >> D.F. Manno wrote: | >>> Frog Prince wrote: | >>> | >>>> I found some camping equipment on sale last November | >>>> | >>>> and yes it ended up being the Winter of my Discount Tent. | >>> | >>> At least you didn't buy a Tate compass, for as we all know, he who has a | >>> Tate's is lost. | >> | >> More Google fodder, never heard that song before. | > | > http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/22/messages/24.html | > | > This camping gear thread is getting in tents. | | You should maybe let sleeping bags lie. Why would you want to take your MIL camping? From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 22:25:35 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-BE64C0.21261708082008@news.cesmail.net... | In article , | "Indigo" wrote: | | > You can bitch all you want about it being a docudrama, but I still challenge | > you to prove that the crash was NOT caused by passengers overwhelming the | > hijackers. | | That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the crash _was_ | caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. | I imagine that a good case could be made from the flight recorder data on the movement of the cockpit controls and the elevators/ailerons etc. From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 8 22:31:33 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 8 22:35:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7ip3k$i7f$1@news.spamcop.net... | Indigo wrote: | > Charles wrote: | >> Indigo wrote: | >>> What, you didn't see "Flight 93"? | >> | >> Oh? You mean it was a documentary? Give me a fricking break! | > | > Show me proof that all the cockpit recordings and cell phone 911 calls | > were faked. No wingnut conspiracy website rumors allowed. | | My friends who have mobile phones can't go from here to there without | dropping a cell, but the people on UAL 93 apparently had crystal clear | connections. "Can you hear me now?" Given the altitude of the aircraft wireless phones can reach any number of ground stations and the system is designed to do smooth handoffs. Long before this mid 80's (and to some extent still) oil field pilots are using cell phones all over the gulf. Calls for over 500 miles are line of sight from 5000 ft AGL. Flights in the gulf between Houston and New Orleans hand off around Lake Charles LA. From dfmanno at mail.com Sat Aug 9 22:10:24 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Aug 9 22:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > | "Indigo" wrote: > | > | > You can bitch all you want about it being a docudrama, but > | > I still challenge you to prove that the crash was NOT > | > caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. > | > | That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the > | crash _was_ caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. > > I imagine that a good case could be made from the flight > recorder data on the movement of the cockpit controls and the > elevators/ailerons etc. Has that been released? >From the transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, you could argue that the hijackers crashed the plane when the passengers attacked: -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From me at privacy.net Sun Aug 10 01:03:16 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Aug 10 01:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] 1200 mile road trip highs of 107 and no AC. Message-ID: Recall the recent story about my cross country move? AC was marginal until around 1PM both days. Worthless after noon time (we were traveling west and sun in the cab made it quite toasty.) AC quit completely about 5 miles from the end of the trip. Thankfully we were heading north at the time so the sun was to our left and from behind. In any case Pensky (spl?), the folk we rented the truck from, gave us a $50 refund. No notice, no fanfare just a credit on the card we used to rent the truck. FWIW I'd have given them an extra $100 if they could have fixed the AC on the road but I didn't have time to stop as I had a crew scheduled to do the unloading Sunday afternoon. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 09:18:35 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 10 09:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7ip3k$i7f$1@news.spamcop.net... > That said, as an "inside job" there's no way the government or any other > organization could have faked what most probably happened on that flight. > > Building number seven, though, is a different story... Zactly!! Trying to pass off that building as just falling down on its own is laughable. From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Aug 10 15:36:55 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Aug 10 15:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > That said, as an "inside job" there's no way the government or any other > > organization could have faked what most probably happened on that flight. > > > > Building number seven, though, is a different story... > > Zactly!! Trying to pass off that building as just falling down on its own > is laughable. Well, it didn't exactly fall down "on its own." Huge pieces of building were falling on it, and it was sitting on top of a huge tank of kerosene (to fuel the city's stupidly-located emergency center). -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 18:16:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 10 18:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF68E9E1D8DATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > You sound like, um. A wingnut. Look at the pictures and listen to the explanation, saying that it was NOT controlled demolition is very far fetched indeed...forget about who or why, there are a million conspiracy theories, but it doesn't make any sense to say it fell down due to the 'damage', because it didn't fall down where it was damaged or in the direction of it's damage, but in it's own neat little footprint. No one will ever convince me that happened by any other means than planned demolition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db2te1u8Dgs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2_nedORjw&feature=related From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 18:17:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 10 18:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF68ECAC8189TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> Building number seven, though, is a different story... > > To be fair, I need to say something here, too (no preferential treatment > and bla bla bla). So, anyway, you sound like a wingnut. LOL, that's rich, coming from you.... From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 18:47:01 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Aug 10 18:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Building number seven, though, is a different story... > > Well, it didn't exactly fall down "on its own." Huge pieces of building > were falling on it, and it was sitting on top of a huge tank of kerosene > (to fuel the city's stupidly-located emergency center). I read the 9/11 Commission Report. What's most disturbing are the number of omissions, and books have been written about the huge number of omissions. Things like WT Building 7 collapsing in a perfect pancake were not mentioned at all. The fact that building housed the Securities and Exchange Commission was overlooked by the Commission's report, and the documents that would show who profited by "short selling" American Airlines stock--an allegation mentioned by several news organizations--was never mentioned in the report. I think one of the most telling aspects of the report is that Cheney and Bush both fought any investigation. Why would any president fight an investigation of the killing of 3,000 Americans? During WWII, there were seven separate investigations of Pearl Harbor. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 19:46:46 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Aug 10 19:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Things like WT Building 7 collapsing in a perfect pancake were not mentioned at all. > Because they didn't need to be? According to whom? Charles? > Because it didn't collapse in a perfect pancake, among other things? See for yourself. Watch the videos. > And NIST treated it, no? I read that too. Gingerly, they did. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sun Aug 10 20:37:41 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sun Aug 10 20:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> Things like WT Building 7 collapsing in a perfect pancake were not >>>> mentioned at all. >>> Because they didn't need to be? >> According to whom? > > > > And, as I wrote to Heidi, paraphrasing from that, "You know that you can > see explosions on seismographs, right? Funny thing that there aren't > any, isn't it?" Well you're wrong. There were two distinct spikes. See #5 http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm So aren't you the least bit curious why the administration worked so hard to prevent the Committee's report? Why Bush couldn't talk to the Commission unless Cheney was in the room, and neither spoke under oath, no recording was made nor was there a stenographer in the room. This all seems normal to you. Really? You also believe it's completely normal that the Commission failed to mention that the building housed the Securities and Exchange Commission and that important documents showing who profited by short selling American Airlines stock were just incinerated. >> See for yourself. Watch the videos. > What _I_ say doesn't matter for squat - I'm not a demolitions expert. > Neither are you, I'd venture. But, hey, I've seen the videos. You see > buildings fall. And? You think you can tell what happened inside from > watching those? You think that having puffs of dust come out the windows > means anything other than air is being forced out 'cause the building is > compressing? Really? I've seen videos from inside. The rescue workers were pulled out right before it collapsed. For the building to collapse this way all of the load bearing supports would have had to fail at exactly the same time, meaning that the fire was equally distributed throughout the building, providing equal heat for an equal amount of time, so that all the load bearings members would fail at the exact same moment. This all seems normal to you. Really? Some members of the 9/11 Commission have criticized how the government formed and operated the commission and allege omissions and distortions in the final report. But then most believe "The Path to 9/11" was completely factual. But don't let me stop your spoon-feeding. From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Aug 10 22:43:05 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Aug 10 22:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: In article , Tim McGraw wrote: > I think one of the most telling aspects of the report is that Cheney and > Bush both fought any investigation. Why would any president fight an > investigation of the killing of 3,000 Americans? Because he ignored the 6Aug01 PDB, and thus shared responsibility for allowing the murder of 3,000 Americans to occur. IOW, it happened on his watch, and he didn't want to be blamed for it. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 15:38:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 15:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF69D1A5925DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive demolition." > > Etc, etc. > Follow the link from here: > Thanks for the link, I saved this message just in case some whacko tries to bring up the conspiracy theory again in the future. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 16:59:23 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:00:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Indigo wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> This evidence makes a compelling argument against explosive >>> demolition." >>> >>> Etc, etc. >>> Follow the link from here: >>> >> Thanks for the link, I saved this message just in case some whacko >> tries to bring up the conspiracy theory again in the future. > > Easy there! Heidi and Tim would take offense at that! Pay attention Charles. Nowhere did I ever state that it was a controlled demolition. As you like to say, neither you nor I are demolition experts. I have my opinion and you have yours. They are only opinions. You're the one starting new threads about it. But get this. It's just like the movie Predator! http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gnrH1I5OMi2psDdZ2cWrmQlVfyXgD92FV2NO0 From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:03:46 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: 1200 mile road trip highs of 107 and no AC. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7lsqd$kjq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > FWIW I'd have given them an extra $100 if they could have fixed the AC on > the road but I didn't have time to stop as I had a crew scheduled to do > the > unloading Sunday afternoon. > Glad to hear you made it there safe and sound. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:28:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7ivgs$6fh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ugh. I'm disgusted. At least Bill and McCain have company now. If the > affair ended in 2006, what was he doing in a hotel room a couple of months > ago? Who wants to be Elizabeth Edwards right now? > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/08/edwards-admits-sexual-aff_n_117780.html > And if the affair ended in 2006 how come the baby is 5 months old? Musta been one helluva long gestation period! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:29:00 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7ivhu$6iu$3@news.spamcop.net... > | > | That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the crash _was_ > | caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. > | > > I imagine that a good case could be made from the flight recorder data on > the movement of the cockpit controls and the elevators/ailerons etc. > > Exactamundo. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:33:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-E3CB1A.22102409082008@news.cesmail.net... >> | First you say >> | That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the >> | crash _was_ caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. > Then this followup: > From the transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, you could argue that > the hijackers crashed the plane when the passengers attacked: > You could argue the semantics, but in essence what you are saying agrees with my point -- the passengers forced the plane to crash instead of allowing the hijackers to hit their target, in one way or another. That makes them heroes in my book. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:37:27 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF6C5ACF8812TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Right. No one will ever convince you. 'Cause you've seen it all with > your > own eyes. I like the seismographs, personally. You know that you can see > explosions on seismographs, right? Funny thing that there aren't any, > isn't it? So, uh, why wouldn't you believe there weren't any? 'Cause you > watched some wingnuts who had no fricking clue? The "jets of gas coming > out the windows" BS just means the building is falling. Hello. So, who > is > this nutjob, anyway? Jones, maybe? Obviously the fucking building dips > in > the middle - it's collapsing from the inside. Does everyone forget this was discussed months ago, and that the emergency command center generator was in Bldg 7, with a huge tank of diesel fuel (that burned) inside the building? And you're right, the seismographs ARE PROOF that there was no explosion. But then of course they released fake data from them, right? LOL. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:41:34 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > And what is your theory, exactly? Nothing about this presidency is normal. You said so. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:42:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g7o1kl$jlp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well you're wrong. There were two distinct spikes. See #5 > http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm > Just shot yerself in the foot there, Tim, that item distinctly DISPROVES your accusation. "The seismic spikes for the collapse of the WTC Towers are the result of debris from the collapsing towers impacting the ground. ***The spikes began approximately 10 seconds after the times for the start of each building's collapse and continued for approximately 15 seconds. There were no seismic signals that occurred prior to the initiation of the collapse of either tower***. The seismic record contains no evidence that would indicate explosions occurring prior to the collapse of the towers." From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:45:04 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Well you're wrong. There were two distinct spikes. See #5 >> http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm >> > > Just shot yerself in the foot there, Tim, that item distinctly DISPROVES > your accusation. > > "The seismic spikes for the collapse of the WTC Towers are the result of > debris from the collapsing towers impacting the ground. ***The spikes > began approximately 10 seconds after the times for the start of each > building's collapse and continued for approximately 15 seconds. There > were no seismic signals that occurred prior to the initiation of the > collapse of either tower***. The seismic record contains no evidence > that would indicate explosions occurring prior to the collapse of the > towers." Actually I misfired, so I missed my foot ;) As I realized after posting it, item #5 was not about WTC7. For the record, the NIST has not issued a final report on WTC7. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:53:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 17:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7iutm$51h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:g7iksi$4vk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Boy, >> was I smitten with her during and after high school, brown hair, brown >> eyes, olive skin, beautiful, great bod, smart, funny, and athletic, too >> bad she plays for the other team! > > LOL....poor you............ Broke my heart ;-) > > Stupidest thing anyone can do is claim a huge jackpot like that in their > own names, they're going to be besieged with people wanting handouts. If > I win, I'm going to cough up the dough to have a lawyer claim it in the > name of my trust! You guys will never know..... > > No one will know until the lawyer and an accountant is hired. Only you CAN'T have the lawyer pick up the check, YOU have to do it. If you read the fine print on the tickets the game(s) reserve the rights to use you and your image/name for advertisement/PR purposes, and they make a big deal out of such families sharing winnings to promote the lottery. You'd have to move and change your phone numbers/email addys to avoid everyone looking for a handout. I'd give a bundle to my family too if I ever won. Course, since I hardly ever buy tickets I can just daydream about what I'd do! From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:56:05 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw: >> Charles wrote: >>> And what is your theory, exactly? >> Nothing about this presidency is normal. >> >> You said so. > > So now you believe everyting you read? Only what you write, Charles. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 17:56:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Man, I can't believe my luck! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7ivhu$6iu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Proceed carefully as there are a number of gray market and even some knock > offs that don't work. > > Already bought it, it arrived today. Wasn't in the "exact" original packaging like I though it would be (some of the internal cardboard support pieces were obviously original), but all the pieces and parts and paperwork were there and the thing worked. I tried every setting (there's 8 of them) to be sure. Will use it tonite to truly test it out. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 18:16:33 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> So now you believe everyting you read? >> Only what you write, Charles. > Ah! Well, all your base are belong to us! Yeah, I thought you were turning Japanese, or perhaps Chinese, up there. It made me think of the joke about Sam Ting. From loafman at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 18:23:00 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:53:20 -0400, Indigo wrote: > No one will know until the lawyer and an accountant is hired. Only you > CAN'T have the lawyer pick up the check, YOU have to do it. If you read > the fine print on the tickets the game(s) reserve the rights to use you > and your image/name for advertisement/PR purposes, and they make a big > deal out of such families sharing winnings to promote the lottery. You'd > have to move and change your phone numbers/email addys to avoid everyone > looking for a handout. I'd give a bundle to my family too if I ever won. At least in Texas, that's not the case. It is possible to have an agent pick up the winnings, or to pick up the winnings yourself, if you feel like running the gauntlet of folks watching for the winner to appear. They do not require pictures or publication. One of the best ways I've heard is to set up a trust and have a lawyer pick up the winnings. I should only be so lucky to have that problem! ;-) ...Ken From dfmanno at mail.com Mon Aug 11 18:34:17 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Aug 11 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > Ugh. I'm disgusted. Why? What's it to you? Seriously. > At least Bill and McCain have company now. If the > affair ended in 2006, what was he doing in a hotel room a couple of months > ago? Who wants to be Elizabeth Edwards right now? There are worse things than adultery in a marriage. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 18:58:34 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:g7qe44$uoq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > At least in Texas, that's not the case. It is possible to have an agent > pick up the winnings, or to pick up the winnings yourself, if you feel > like running the gauntlet of folks watching for the winner to appear. > They do not require pictures or publication. One of the best ways I've > heard is to set up a trust and have a lawyer pick up the winnings. Does Texas participate in the Powerball lottery? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 19:25:22 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Does everyone forget this was discussed months ago, and that the >> emergency command center generator was in Bldg 7, with a huge tank of >> diesel fuel (that burned) inside the building? And you're right, the >> seismographs ARE PROOF that there was no explosion. But then of course >> they released fake data from them, right? > > And "pull it" is not jargon for bringing a building down except, get this, > but actually pulling it over with cables. No shit. Wow, so you really *are* a demolition expert! I have a garage I'd like demolished. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 19:38:24 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Aug 11 19:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7qccb$bqt$1@news.spamcop.net... > No one will know until the lawyer and an accountant is hired. Only you > CAN'T have the lawyer pick up the check, YOU have to do it. If you read > the fine print on the tickets the game(s) reserve the rights to use you > and your image/name for advertisement/PR purposes, and they make a big > deal out of such families sharing winnings to promote the lottery. You'd > have to move and change your phone numbers/email addys to avoid everyone > looking for a handout. I'd give a bundle to my family too if I ever won. > > Course, since I hardly ever buy tickets I can just daydream about what I'd > do! Some local people who won the Powerball lottery went immediately to a lawyer, set up a trust, and it was claimed in the name of the trust - no one knows who the individuals are. The lawyers were interviewed and said they have helped a few lottery winners, and the most successful ones don't tell another soul, don't quit their jobs, they just set up a trust, remain anonymous, and continue on normally with their lives. I could not deal with the publicity, people are rude and merciless when money is involved. Let's hope I actually get to find out how a trust works...... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 11 21:30:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 11 21:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7qihj$v83$1@news.spamcop.net... > Some local people who won the Powerball lottery went immediately to a > lawyer, set up a trust, and it was claimed in the name of the trust - no > one knows who the individuals are. Hmmm.....I wonder if the PR law varies by state? The lawyers were interviewed and said they > have helped a few lottery winners, and the most successful ones don't tell > another soul, don't quit their jobs, they just set up a trust, remain > anonymous, and continue on normally with their lives. I could not deal > with the publicity, people are rude and merciless when money is involved. > Let's hope I actually get to find out how a trust works...... Setting up trusts aren't child's play, that I know....IIRC someone, the "trustee", who is not you, actually has final control over the money. So if you get a dick lawyer/trustee who doesn't want you to buy a $5 million house for cash he could be a PITA about it. And I think trustees can/do get paid for performing their fiduciary duties, since all disbursements from the trust fund must be approved by them. My Dad and his wife both have trusts they set up before they got married to keep their estates separate -- we get his and her family gets hers, no intermixing. Kinda like a pre-nup. From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Tue Aug 12 11:13:27 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Tue Aug 12 11:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 References: Message-ID: Charles wrote in news:Xns9AF7C17B4235DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> Yeah, I thought you were turning Japanese > > Ah, so you knew, somehow, that I was alone for the week? > > >> It made me think of the joke about Sam Ting. > > I don't know that one but I can imagine the punchline pretty easily. > Had his name changed to Ole Olson or some such? -- Paul From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 12 18:01:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7qp3i$oie$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Setting up trusts aren't child's play, that I know....IIRC someone, the > "trustee", who is not you, actually has final control over the money. So > if you get a dick lawyer/trustee who doesn't want you to buy a $5 million > house for cash he could be a PITA about it. And I think trustees can/do > get paid for performing their fiduciary duties, since all disbursements > from the trust fund must be approved by them. My Dad and his wife both > have trusts they set up before they got married to keep their estates > separate -- we get his and her family gets hers, no intermixing. Kinda > like a pre-nup. I can't be the trustee of my own trust? What the hell? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 12 18:05:17 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Yet another conspiracy! Message-ID: Sigh. You just can't believe what you see anymore. > Part of the elaborate Olympics fireworks show broadcast to the world in the opening ceremony was altered, done digitally in 3-D computer graphics, according to several news reports. > > While the dramatic display actually happened as portrayed on television, members of the Beijing Olympic Committee said it was necessary to replace live video with computer-generated imagery because the city?s hazy, smoggy skies made it too difficult to see, according to The Beijing Times, which first reported the story. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26139005/ From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 12 18:09:47 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:10:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul wrote: > Charles wrote: >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> It made me think of the joke about Sam Ting. >> I don't know that one but I can imagine the punchline pretty easily. > Had his name changed to Ole Olson or some such? That's basically it. You've got to start out with a guy walking through Chinatown and seeing a sign on a laundry. And I prefer "Hans Olaffsen." From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Aug 12 18:27:40 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Aug 12 18:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Yet another conspiracy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Sigh. You just can't believe what you see anymore. > >> Part of the elaborate Olympics fireworks show broadcast to the world >> in the opening ceremony was altered, done digitally in 3-D computer >> graphics, according to several news reports. >> >> While the dramatic display actually happened as portrayed on >> television, members of the Beijing Olympic Committee said it was >> necessary to replace live video with computer-generated imagery >> because the city?s hazy, smoggy skies made it too difficult to see, >> according to The Beijing Times, which first reported the story. > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26139005/ I heard that some foreign athletes actually wore respirators as they got off the plane, and Chinese people were offended by it. I don't know what's worse, that the smog is bad enough for respirators or that the Chinese feel that it's bad to expect clean air? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 12 19:40:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 12 19:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g7t18f$31o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:g7qp3i$oie$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Setting up trusts aren't child's play, that I know....IIRC someone, the >> "trustee", who is not you, actually has final control over the money. So >> if you get a dick lawyer/trustee who doesn't want you to buy a $5 million >> house for cash he could be a PITA about it. And I think trustees can/do >> get paid for performing their fiduciary duties, since all disbursements >> from the trust fund must be approved by them. My Dad and his wife both >> have trusts they set up before they got married to keep their estates >> separate -- we get his and her family gets hers, no intermixing. Kinda >> like a pre-nup. > > I can't be the trustee of my own trust? What the hell? > Don't think so.....I could be wrong, but.....I'm pretty sure my Dad's trustee is his lawyer. From me at privacy.net Tue Aug 12 20:20:21 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 12 20:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" < | >> | >> Setting up trusts aren't child's play, that I know....IIRC someone, the | >> "trustee", who is not you, actually has final control over the money. So | >> if you get a dick lawyer/trustee who doesn't want you to buy a $5 million | >> house for cash he could be a PITA about it. And I think trustees can/do | >> get paid for performing their fiduciary duties, since all disbursements | >> from the trust fund must be approved by them. My Dad and his wife both | >> have trusts they set up before they got married to keep their estates | >> separate -- we get his and her family gets hers, no intermixing. Kinda | >> like a pre-nup. | > | > I can't be the trustee of my own trust? What the hell? | > | Don't think so.....I could be wrong, but.....I'm pretty sure my Dad's | trustee is his lawyer. I'd be concerned about the lawyer being the trustee or an excutor on a will. Last time our family had that arrangement the lawyer ran the clock on everything. Signed one sheet of paper 1/4 hour bill. Sign a second sheet of paper (at the same time) another 1/4 hour bill. The month that put an end to his trusteeship (court ordered) we had over 400 hours billed. Filed a formal complaint with the bar ... no action taken. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 12 22:48:33 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 12 22:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g7t9cg$vai$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Don't think so.....I could be wrong, but.....I'm pretty sure my Dad's > | trustee is his lawyer. > > I'd be concerned about the lawyer being the trustee or an excutor on a > will. > > Last time our family had that arrangement the lawyer ran the clock on > everything. Signed one sheet of paper 1/4 hour bill. Sign a second sheet > of > paper (at the same time) another 1/4 hour bill. > > The month that put an end to his trusteeship (court ordered) we had over > 400 > hours billed. > > Filed a formal complaint with the bar ... no action taken. > > Why the hell didn't you find a reputable lawyer before paying all those nonsense bills? From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Aug 12 22:59:34 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Aug 12 23:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: this is utterly horrifying References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > First you say > > >> | That can't be proved, but neither can you prove that the > >> | crash _was_ caused by passengers overwhelming the hijackers. > > Then this followup: > > > From the transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, you could argue that > > the hijackers crashed the plane when the passengers attacked: > > You could argue the semantics, but in essence what you are saying agrees > with my point -- the passengers forced the plane to crash instead of > allowing the hijackers to hit their target, in one way or another. That > makes them heroes in my book. You can't _prove_ it, any more than I can _prove_ the opposite. You can speculate, but that's all. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From me at privacy.net Tue Aug 12 23:15:30 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 12 23:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7ti1r$qmj$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:g7t9cg$vai$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | Don't think so.....I could be wrong, but.....I'm pretty sure my Dad's | > | trustee is his lawyer. | > | > I'd be concerned about the lawyer being the trustee or an excutor on a | > will. | > | > Last time our family had that arrangement the lawyer ran the clock on | > everything. Signed one sheet of paper 1/4 hour bill. Sign a second sheet | > of | > paper (at the same time) another 1/4 hour bill. | > | > The month that put an end to his trusteeship (court ordered) we had over | > 400 | > hours billed. | > | > Filed a formal complaint with the bar ... no action taken. | > | > | Why the hell didn't you find a reputable lawyer before paying all those | nonsense bills? A: I didn't set up the trust and was powerless to make any changes until the game was well afoot. B: when it comes to billing for trust/estate fees 99% of the lawyers run the clock. This one was just a bit over the edge in what he felt he was entitled to and more what he through he could get away with. OTOH if we did not have the political pull to hammer the system we would have been screwed regardless. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 11:48:38 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 13 11:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > We're hiring again. Two positions. Want a job? Whatever. You don't > qualify. Anyway... The resumes/profiles that people send are really > unbelievable, More than 9 of 10 get vertically filed instantly... And full employment for clowns is so hard to come by these days... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 14:00:25 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 13 14:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF94A9FD426ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > We're hiring again. Two positions. Want a job? Whatever. You don't > qualify. Anyway... The resumes/profiles that people send are really > unbelievable, More than 9 of 10 get vertically filed instantly... Vertically = circularly? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 15:16:54 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 13 15:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Vertically = circularly? > > Virtually. They get magically filed, that's for sure. If they're coming in digitally, they are then finding their way to Alphabet Heaven, no? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 16:11:33 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 13 16:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> If they're coming in digitally, they are then finding their way to >> Alphabet Heaven, no? > > No. The Digital Void, dude. Nothingness forever and ever. That's a very zen matrix you describe there. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 17:19:36 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> If they're coming in digitally, they are then finding their way to >>>> Alphabet Heaven, no? >>> No. The Digital Void, dude. Nothingness forever and ever. >> That's a very zen matrix you describe there. > > Existentialist, methinks. Hmm. Well, brief discussion on the two: > http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/gayzenla/myhomepage/existentialism_and_zen.htm I don't know, dude, the Gay Zen LA? Not that there's anything wrong with that. To your point, I think there's a greater chasm between existentialism and Zen Buddhism than the writer knows and or can communicate. While in the former existence precedes essence, in the latter the nature of a thing or being is more fundamental and immutable than its existence alone. Existence is a weak reflection of what existence itself must be. I also don't buy that Zen shuns uniqueness. While the ego is lost, experiential wisdom is necessary for awakening. Discuss... From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 17:37:03 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 13 17:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Discuss... > > Um. Didn't you just do that? You mean when you said "Nothingness forever and ever" was not Zen, but existential, you hadn't been drinking... yet? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 22:27:22 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Aug 13 22:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-BEDF1D.18341711082008@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > >> Ugh. I'm disgusted. > > Why? What's it to you? Seriously. I hate hypocrites. I liked him, and bought into his whole wholesome family man image. More than that I liked his wife, I think SHE would have made a good president. > >> At least Bill and McCain have company now. If the >> affair ended in 2006, what was he doing in a hotel room a couple of >> months >> ago? Who wants to be Elizabeth Edwards right now? > > There are worse things than adultery in a marriage. > Having lived through that in my house as a young adult, I can tell you first hand there is little else that is so demeaning, degrading and soul destroying than that kind of sordid betrayal from someone you trust. To have been a public figure and to drag your innocent family through the mud and bring so much glaring attention on something so painful is beyond the pale. The fact that what's left of her life is now going to be ruined by what her husband did to her is IMO unforgiveable. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 13 22:29:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Aug 13 22:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g7qatj$3kh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And if the affair ended in 2006 how come the baby is 5 months old? Musta > been one helluva long gestation period! When he said it ended in '06 my gut said "and you're still a goddamn liar". Funnily enough, that's what the mistress's family is saying now too. He offers a paternity test and she is probably paid off and set for life by refusing it. From me at privacy.net Wed Aug 13 22:49:31 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Aug 13 22:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g805b6$k1n$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Indigo" wrote in message | news:g7qatj$3kh$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > And if the affair ended in 2006 how come the baby is 5 months old? Musta | > been one helluva long gestation period! | | When he said it ended in '06 my gut said "and you're still a goddamn liar". | Funnily enough, that's what the mistress's family is saying now too. He | offers a paternity test and she is probably paid off and set for life by | refusing it. Somebody is going to fish a solid diaper out of the trash and the game will be out. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 14 13:54:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 14 13:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: What. A. Turd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g806fu$mph$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Somebody is going to fish a solid diaper out of the trash and the game > will > be out. > > Need his $400 hairdresser to keep a couple hairs too..... From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 14 15:18:52 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Coyote Problem References: Message-ID: The Sierra Club and the U.S. Forest Service were presenting an alternative to Wyoming ranchers for controlling the coyote population. It seems that after years of the ranchers using the tried and true methods of shooting and/or trapping the predators, the tree-huggers had a 'more humane' solution. What they proposed was for the animals to be captured alive, the males would then be castrated and let loose again. Therefore the population would be controlled. This was ACTUALLY proposed to the Wyoming Wool and Sheep Grower's Association by the Sierra Club and the USFS. All of the ranchers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes. Finally, an old boy in the back of the conference room stood up, Tipped his hat back and said, 'Son, I don't think you understand our problem. Those coyotes ain't f*ckin' our sheep - they're eatin' 'em!' From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 14 15:19:39 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 14 15:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Choices Message-ID: A man wakes up in the hospital, bandaged from head to foot. The doctor comes in and says, "Ah, I see you've regained consciousness. Now, you probably won't remember, but you were in a pile-up on the freeway. You're going to be okay, you'll walk again and everything, but.....something happened. I'm trying to break this gently, but the fact is, your willy was chopped off in the wreck, and we were unable to find it." The man groans, but the doctor goes on, "You've got $9000 in insurance compensation coming to you, and we have the technology now to build you a new willy that will work as well as your old one did - better in fact! However, the thing is, it doesn't come cheap. It's $1000 an inch." The man perks up at this. "So," the doctor says, "it's for you to decide how many inches you want. But it's something you'd better discuss with your wife. I mean, if you had a five inch one before, and you decide to go for a nine incher, she might be a bit put out. But if you had a nine inch one before, and you decide only to invest in a five incher this time, she might be disappointed. So it's important that she plays a role in helping you make the decision." The man agrees to talk with his wife. The doctor comes back the next day. "So," says the doctor, "have you spoken with your wife?" "I have," says the man. "And has she helped you in making the decision?" "She has," says the man. "And what is it?" asks the doctor. "We're getting a new kitchen." From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Aug 15 05:20:52 2008 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Aug 15 05:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Bozos References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AF9DBD5EB29ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> You mean when you said "Nothingness forever and ever" was not Zen, but >> existential, you hadn't been drinking... yet? > > Nope. But now I've had an Old Boardhead. It was an existential > experience, or something like that. Less chatter, more videos of icy boat anchors! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 15 18:01:38 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 15 18:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Refreshing customer service experience (for once!) Message-ID: I think I mentioned it here a while ago, that I had broken the Infrared Light Therapy machine I had purchased back in June to help treat my aching and spasming muscles, mostly in my back and calves. That machine kept me from going insane after I injured my back doing yard work (maybe that's when I bought it?), since no therapies we tried were relieving the pain. This was before I started getting those Colchicine IVs, which ultimately cured the disk problem. So today I FINALLY get around to calling the company to find out if I could buy a replacement circuit board for the unit (it cost $350, I couldn't afford to buy a new one at this point). I had botched the solder repair attempt and killed the board entirely. So she hooks me up with the manufacturer of the machine, so I call them next. I explained to the nice lady what had happened - I accidentally sat on the light pad and cracked the power input solder joint, tried to fix it, and that I wanted to know if I could buy a replacement circuit board and for how much. She asked me what color the case was (which struck me as a weird question for a moment), then she said "Well, we normally sell the replacement part for $85, but since you've been so honest with me I can sell you a new pad for $75". That's right, I'm not getting just the circuit board, they're sending me an entirely new pad! She said that I violated the warrantee the second I opened up the unit (which I kinda knew), so I guess maybe that's why they're selling me a new unit (pad), not the circuit board, to keep the warrantee intact. What a great deal! What a great product service rep! And sheesh, what a helluva markup the company that retails these things gets! From me at privacy.net Sat Aug 16 23:16:55 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Aug 16 23:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] It's Amazing What They Can Do With Water These Days References: Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HeUixe_Lpg From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 18 03:26:33 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 18 03:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's Amazing What They Can Do With Water These Days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Anyway, yes, it was cool for a little while. The water temperature changed? From me at privacy.net Mon Aug 18 06:29:29 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Aug 18 06:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's Amazing What They Can Do With Water These Days References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AFE3DE8A2DB2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! | > Charles wrote: | | >> Anyway, yes, it was cool for a little while. | > | > The water temperature changed? | | Absolutely. There must be a ridiculous amount of evaporation going on, | there. Naaw. I have it on good authority the relative humility (let's see where that goes) was 100% and reached a steady state condition quite rapidly. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 18 14:59:26 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 18 15:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's Amazing What They Can Do With Water These Days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AFE3DE8A2DB2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! >> Charles wrote: > >>> Anyway, yes, it was cool for a little while. >> >> The water temperature changed? > > Absolutely. There must be a ridiculous amount of evaporation going on, > there. That would change the air temp, not the water temp, you big dummy ;-) From me at privacy.net Mon Aug 18 21:13:22 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Aug 18 21:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: It's Amazing What They Can Do With Water These Days References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9AFED26C163F3TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Frog Prince" ! | | > I have it on good authority the relative humility (let's see where | > that goes) was 100% and reached a steady state condition quite rapidly. | | On good authority from whom? It seems like a place that wants touroids. | And touroids don't like to be in places with even 60% humidity... | | Holy stuff. Looks like it's 81F and 79% humidity in Hakata right now. | Man, I can't even tell you how much that would suck. "Feels like 85F" - no | fricking kidding. Dang Seems like a good place for that old AM radio program punch "Vas you dere Charlie?" From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 19 19:01:16 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 19 19:05:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! Message-ID: Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last night. Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. Why? Because a predicted confluence of solar and gravitational alignments between the earth, the sun, and the Milky Way may put such stress on the core of the earth that the poles may switch ends (this has been documented to have happened before in the life of the earth, it's catastrophic). While the pole-switching isn't contained in this page (I don't feel like gargling for more info), but it's an interesting read. Forget what channel I was watching it on so I can't go look up the exact show contents :-( http://ezinearticles.com/?Mayan-Calendar-World-Ending&id=1407618 The latest and fastest growing search term in Google - Mayan Calendar World Ending? And it will only grow in pace as the year 2012 moves closer and closer. You know as well as I do, that a section of our population will always see the next unknown event, be that millennium change, or a comet passing by, or Y2K, as the end of times. The truth is a lot of religions have interpreted an end of times in their fundamental religion and they can not let that go; there has to be an end of times or they are wrong. Personally I do not subscribe to the idea the creator created us to wipe us out. But then again with 6 billion people on earth we will all have our own ideas. So how do we find the truth? Well science will show us some truths but certainly not all. Anything based on faith or belief is simply not truth YET, as the definition of faith is a belief in something not yet proven. As this date approaches take notice that people will proclaim the end of the world is here, and that it is only a belief they have come to believe in based on faith. Faith in their religion for the most part, but most certainly it is only faith in a belief they have chosen to believe. Now on the other hand, there is some scary science going on at this future date, in December 2012. We all know by now that the Mayan Calendar ends on this date, but that alone is a very subjective statement. The Mayan Calendar does tell an end of times at this time however, but it does not state the end of the world, only an end of times. Well even in my own generation I have seen a few things considered an end of times. In truth, everything eventually ends to spring forward something new. The scary part however, validated by science is the astronomical events going on exactly as this date arrives. First of all it will coincide with the 11 year cycle of sun spot and solar flair activity. It also coincides with the normal cycle of the sun reversing polar polarity. As an extra bonus, this also aligns with a 21,000 year cycle of our solar system aligning with the center plane of the Milky way Galaxy. The combination of all these events together suggest at the least very extreme solar flare activity around this date. What can extreme solar flare activity do to the earth? Well at the least it can knock out and kill all orbital satellites that are struck with the solar winds. These solar winds reach the earth in about 8 minutes from an eruption on the sun. No satellites equates to no earthly communication systems, no internet, no cell phones, no television and loss of global power grids aka, no power. This could last for a sustained period of time. Whats the worst that could happen? Well there is evidence that 21,000 years ago at the time of our last alignment with the center of the Milky way that our moon was scorched by a brief but powerful blast of radiation from the sun. Could that have coincided with scientists estimate that all human forms on earth came from a genetic stock of 2000 people? The earth has a protection field surrounding it from normal blasts of solar winds. However we have had blasts of solar radiation before that distorted this field and did in fact knock out satellites in orbit back in march of 1996. The solar winds of December 2012 will without a doubt be much more intense than that. You may have noticed the influences on our earth as this solar alignment gets nearer. The earth has experienced more volcanic activity, more tsunamis, more hurricanes, more tornados than ever before. All this, is of course how the earth responds to increased magnetic and gravitational forces as this alignment moves closer and closer. Well now I seem like another doomsday liberator and I do not want to do that. I do not believe the end of the world is coming. I do however believe that the physical events of our natural rhythms of nature is going to cause great disruption to our earth and our way of life. We will have to adapt quickly, and preparation before hand seems practical to me given the scientific evidence of what is unfolding. The Mayans were ahead of their times in many respects, especially with astronomy. We do not know how they gained this information as the catholic church destroyed much of their tablets and records. I do find it very ironic though that the Calendar ends in 2012 when we will face this solar activity. Also ironic is that the Mayan calendar was found on a stone tablet called the Sun Wheel, and has a measurement called the solar cycle. The consensus among the metaphysic community is that this time will bring in the Aquarian age by destruction of world governments and establishments that have been founded on money and control. Then a new and self empowerment era will begin. If that is the case, I think I could welcome that. But one will have to be prepared to survive on their own without power and communications pretty much indefinitely. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 19 21:35:26 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > I do not believe the end of the world is coming. But the movie is! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/ > The Mayans were ahead of their times in many respects ...especially human sacrifice. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 19 21:41:02 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Aug 19 21:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g8fscv$tvj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: >> I do not believe the end of the world is coming. I did not! > > But the movie is! > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/ Never heard about it before, but that's a helluva cast there! Betcha dollars to donuts it produces a lot of panic when it comes out. From dfmanno at mail.com Tue Aug 19 22:57:13 2008 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Aug 19 23:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: In article , "Indigo" wrote: > Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last night. > Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. Jeez, they couldn't have scheduled it until after the holidays? I'll be very busy that day. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com The modern conservative is engaged in one of manšs oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. (John Kenneth Galbraith) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 00:30:22 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 20 00:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last night. >> Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. > > Jeez, they couldn't have scheduled it until after the holidays? I'll be > very busy that day. Only 2,315 shopping days before Armageddon. From no.spam.4.me at xs4all.nl Wed Aug 20 04:11:24 2008 From: no.spam.4.me at xs4all.nl (Nico Bartels) Date: Wed Aug 20 04:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:01:16 -0400, in spamcop.social "Indigo" wrote: >Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last night. >Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. Why? Because a predicted confluence of >solar and gravitational alignments between the earth, the sun, and the Milky >Way may put such stress on the core of the earth that the poles may switch >ends (this has been documented to have happened before in the life of the >earth, it's catastrophic). Well, as you say the Earth survived pole-switches before. Why do you think the world will end this time? OK, it will not be very healthy for a lot of people, but I do not think a pole-switch will destroy the Earth. Nico -- Disclaimer: the above is the author's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of his employer or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 11:52:33 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 11:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last night. > http://ezinearticles.com/?Mayan-Calendar-World-Ending&id=1407618 The history of the Mesoamerican calendars and timekeeping runs from about 1200 BCE with the Olmecs thru' the heighth of the Mayan civilization culture - which only lasted about 650 years from 250-900 CE - all the way to the present, with some modern highland Guatemalans continuing to embrace Mayan mythology and its calendars. People have been writing books and articles about the significance of the year 2012 and specifically the winter solstice of that year for decades -- many of those books with little or no understanding of the scholarship of the Mayan calendar or the 'meaning' of the Long Count calendar or other Mayan almanacs. The Mayans had a number of different calendars and time cycles besides the Long Count; Mayan scholars say that the Mayans themselves did not predict any kind of 2012 cataclysm -- just another long count cycle, compare to their Tzolkin, Haab, & Venus Mayan calendar cycles. The ezine article took his material from this blog http://trimmerassist.net/mayancalender.html Mayan Calendar -- which also has some other year 2012 articles elsewhere on that site. He should have read some other articles which debunk the numerous books on 2012 catacylsms such as this article http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse? His mention of the sun flipping its magnetic dipole is correct; which is a regular and frequent event occurring much more frequently that the earth flipping its own poles. Earth's geomagnetic reversal is a process by which the polar orientation begins to get unstable and wanders around a lot and then achieves a new reversed orientation which is stable again -- but which mechanism is poorly understood. Most scientists think the current instability might lead to another reversal in about 3000-4000 CE, and that research on past thousands of reversals has shown a great deal of variability in the interval - two reversals in one 50,000 year interval and/but the last reversal about 780,000 years ago. No doubt that the disturbance of earth's magnetosphere during some distant future polar transition will result in some interesting effects here from the solar wind - which our magnetosphere protects us, but I don't think any real scientists who aren't subscribers to the zany New Age mentality of Jose Arguelles and other doomsayers believe there will be any cataclysm or other 'harmonic convergence' effects http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Convergence "According to Arguelles and others, the Harmonic Convergence also began the final 26-year countdown to the end of the Mayan Long Count in 2012" Arguelles started writing that newage crap to his followers way back in 1987. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 12:25:52 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 12:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Indigo wrote: >> Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last >> night. > >> http://ezinearticles.com/?Mayan-Calendar-World-Ending&id=1407618 > Arguelles started writing that newage crap to his followers way back in > 1987. See if you enjoy this Rolling Stone article about Pinchbeck instead of Arguelles. Daniel Pinchbeck is the author of the popular 2006 book _2012; The Return of Quetzalcoatl_ which is a New Age type contribution to 'current' or contemporary Mayanism. Rolling Stone magazine decided to do a long piece on Pinchbeck back in 2006 Sep. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11217201/daniel_pinchbeck_and_t he_new_psychedelic_elite or http://snipr.com/3i37m Daniel Pinchbeck and the New Psychedelic Elite -- How a cynical son of beatnik parents combined drugs, the devil and the apocalypse into a modern movement -- Page 1 of 6 -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net Wed Aug 20 14:01:01 2008 From: pssawyer at comcast.BAD.EXAMPLE.net (Paul) Date: Wed Aug 20 14:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in news:g8fjbr$v2e$1@news.spamcop.net: > Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last > night. Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. [...] Don't be concerned. A Mayan representative will be in touch with you before that date to explain the benefits of the All New and Improved Mayan Calendar update, and how you can order one for your very own. :) -- Paul From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 14:16:55 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 20 14:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last >> night. Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. [...] > > Don't be concerned. A Mayan representative will be in touch with you > before that date to explain the benefits of the All New and Improved > Mayan Calendar update, and how you can order one for your very own. Will this be a service pack, or will I have to move to a whole new platform? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 14:53:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 14:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Nico Bartels" wrote in message news:c9kna49vref4a8t6ap00gamcl88g5hp0cc@4ax.com... > > Well, as you say the Earth survived pole-switches before. Why do you > think the world will end this time? > The world as we know it, I meant, but not many (if any?) of us will be around to see what happen is my guess..... > OK, it will not be very healthy for a lot of people, but I do not > think a pole-switch will destroy the Earth. Won't "destroy" the earth, but it'll kill off most upper life forms, especially mammals. It will certainly "reshape" the continents as they now exist. Think massive volcanic eruptions and unimaginably huge earthquakes. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 14:55:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B0049628D5A2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > It won't be very healthy for me - my job is geo-magnetics and relies on > north being in a reasonably constant direction (to within 5% is usually > best). Just rewrite your code and put a negative sign in front of all north pointing variables. Or subtract 180 degrees.....you're smart, figger it out. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 15:04:08 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Won't "destroy" the earth, but it'll kill off most upper life forms, > especially mammals. It will certainly "reshape" the continents as they > now exist. Think massive volcanic eruptions and unimaginably huge > earthquakes. >From whence/ How come/ did you derive such an idea as that? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 15:12:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:15:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8hejs$638$1@news.spamcop.net... Most scientists think the > current instability might lead to another reversal in about 3000-4000 CE, > and that research on past thousands of reversals has shown a great deal of > variability in the interval - two reversals in one 50,000 year interval > and/but the last reversal about 780,000 years ago. CE? What time based acronym is that? While googling, did you notice when the last reversal occured, and if we're "overdue" for one? Kinda like we're way overdue for an asteroid hit like the one in Siberia in 1908 (around that year). > > No doubt that the disturbance of earth's magnetosphere during some distant > future polar transition will result in some interesting effects here from > the solar wind - which our magnetosphere protects us (from) Some energetic solar particles zip right thru the magnetosphere (gamma rays?). I'd assume that any recently built and launched satellite was designed with 2012 in mind and would have a heavily shielded "rear end" they can point at the sun to protect the instruments from damage. But older, but still functioning, satellites will likely be decimated. My dear old Hubble may not survive..... And then there's the massive disruptions of the power grids, I wonder if we even have time to fix all the infrastructure in time to avoid total disaster. Part of the answer is an emphatic "NO", meaning that there isn't sufficient time to build new transmission lines to take the load from ones that go down. Heck, we don't have a sufficient power grid in the Northeast right now, and the NIMBYs and eco-terrorists are doing everything in their power to block a new line the power companies currently want (and desperately need)to build to run from Ohio/WV to the DC area. When MD deregulated electricity (worst political decision ever made in the entire history of MD), it was supposed to lead to a free market, new power plants, and lower prices. Well, nothing of the sort happened. The power producers saw that by NOT building new production facilities they could fetch prices that are now about triple what they were under regulation, when they were guaranteed a (much smaller) profit based on production costs. Now there aren't enough power plants to support the growing need for electricity, and there aren't any new transmission lines in place to import extra juice from elsewhere. In short, we're screwed. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 15:31:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8hgib$j90$1@news.spamcop.net... > > See if you enjoy this Rolling Stone article about Pinchbeck instead of > Arguelles. > > Daniel Pinchbeck is the author of the popular 2006 book _2012; The Return > of Quetzalcoatl_ which is a New Age type contribution to 'current' or > contemporary Mayanism. Rolling Stone magazine decided to do a long piece > on Pinchbeck back in 2006 Sep. > > http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11217201/daniel_pinchbeck_and_t > he_new_psychedelic_elite Feh, too long to read ;-) But where have I heard the name Quetzalcoatl before? It sounds _real_ familiar, and even though I've maintained an interest in the ancient Indian civilizations for as long as I can remember, it feels to my feeble brain that "Quetzalcoatl" was used as the name for something in a science fiction or horrow movie or something like that. When one of my friends got married in Cancun in 1999 we visited the Mayan ruins at Chichen Itza, probably the coolest "touristy" thing I've ever done. That's the place where we believe the game similar to lacrosse was invented, IIRC, except the losers were executed ;-). I saw that arena, which has those famous stone "hoop" on the walls, among other things in the rather well maintained ruins. http://z.about.com/d/archaeology/1/0/H/G/ballcourt2.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/cbracken/travel/mexico/chichen_itza/images/ball_court.jpg Unfortunately, I was still recovering from my Achilles tendon injury at the time so I couldn't climb the stairs of the tallest main temple and see the entire site in all it's glory. Here's some good pix of that temple http://www.locogringo.com/past_spotlights/apr2002/chichen.html As you can see, it's about a 45 degree climb, and the steps are quite high, about three times the height of your average househole stairs. Not sure if I would have had the nerve to climb it even if I was healthy! You can't tell from the photos, but there is/was moss and a greenish slime of some sort on the steps, even with the ropeline it looked dangerous as hell. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 15:31:56 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g8hn2n$qai$1@news.spamcop.net... > Paul wrote: >> Indigo wrote: >>> Saw a really interesting TV documentary on the Mayan Indians last >>> night. Their calendar ends on Dec 23, 2012. [...] >> >> Don't be concerned. A Mayan representative will be in touch with you >> before that date to explain the benefits of the All New and Improved >> Mayan Calendar update, and how you can order one for your very own. > > Will this be a service pack, or will I have to move to a whole new > platform? When does the Beta version come out? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 15:34:03 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 15:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8hpr5$936$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: > >> Won't "destroy" the earth, but it'll kill off most upper life forms, >> especially mammals. It will certainly "reshape" the continents as they >> now exist. Think massive volcanic eruptions and unimaginably huge >> earthquakes. > > From whence/ How come/ did you derive such an idea as that? Somewhere in a dark place of my memory. Are you saying that such sorts of things don't occur? Why the archeological data of catastrophic results after a pole switch then? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 16:05:19 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:10:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Won't "destroy" the earth, but it'll kill off most upper life forms, >>> especially mammals. It will certainly "reshape" the continents as they >>> now exist. Think massive volcanic eruptions and unimaginably huge >>> earthquakes. >> >> From whence/ How come/ did you derive such an idea as that? > > Somewhere in a dark place of my memory. Are you saying that such sorts > of things don't occur? Why the archeological data of catastrophic > results after a pole switch then? Most articles/citations say things like: "It is unlikely that there will be any dire or drastic side effects." http://geophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/geomagnetic_reversal A few say things like: "It is thought by some geologists that a rapid switch in the magnetic field could lead to stresses in rock strata and lead to major earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, with the possible scenario of the "Ring of Fire" all going off at once and sending the world into nuclear winter." -- but if the 'author' of such opinions is cited, then it is often some misinformated 2012 writer such as Patrick Geryl, who is full of zany unsupported and unscientific opinions, then I just disregard it. Here is Geryl's website. If you investigate some of his opinions, I think you will reject them. http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/home.htm Welcome to this site where you can find all information about the writings and research of Patrick Geryl concerning the coming polar reversal in the year 2012. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 16:07:08 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:10:06 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-3BADEB.12342120082008@c-68-52-143-10.hsd1.tn.comcast.net... > In article , > "Indigo" wrote: > >> CE? What time based acronym is that? > > Common Era. It is roughly analogous to AD. > -- > -David Thnx. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 16:08:12 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:10:07 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > some misinformated 2012 writer such as Patrick > Geryl, who is full of zany unsupported and unscientific opinions, then :-/ 'misinformated' must be some kind of cross between misinformed and misinformation -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 16:32:02 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8htdt$s26$1@news.spamcop.net... > Most articles/citations say things like: "It is unlikely that there will > be any dire or drastic side effects." > http://geophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/geomagnetic_reversal > Ok, so there is apparently no convincing evidence that a catastrophy will occur like I thought, dunno where I got that idea. But wiki sez "Although the inspection of past reversals does not indicate biological extinctions, present society with its reliance on electricity and electromagnetic effects (e.g. radio, satellite communications) may be vulnerable to technological disruptions in the event of a full field reversal." And the magnetosphere will be in disarray while the magnetic field changes inside the earth. Ok, so I'll change my opinion to "if we have a pole switch from here on into the future it will be catastrophic to our current way of life". You ok with that? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 16:47:59 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 16:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Most articles/citations say things like: "It is unlikely that there >> will be any dire or drastic side effects." >> http://geophysics.suite101.com/article.cfm/geomagnetic_reversal >> > > Ok, so there is apparently no convincing evidence that a catastrophy > will occur like I thought, dunno where I got that idea. But wiki sez > > "Although the inspection of past reversals does not indicate biological > extinctions, present society with its reliance on electricity and > electromagnetic effects (e.g. radio, satellite communications) may be > vulnerable to technological disruptions in the event of a full field > reversal." > > And the magnetosphere will be in disarray while the magnetic field > changes inside the earth. Ok, so I'll change my opinion to "if we have > a pole switch from here on into the future it will be catastrophic to > our current way of life". You ok with that? No I think I prefer the concept expressed above that there will not be any dire or drastic side effects. My reading on the benefits of the magnetosphere vary. My understanding is that our principle protection from the solar wind is our /atmosphere/ not our magnetosphere - which magnetosphere /does/ provide the eerie auroras - and my further understanding is that part of the reason that Mars doesn't have much of an atmosphere is because it doesn't have much of a magnetosphere. I don't think that earth will lose much atmosphere to the solar wind effect during the 'transistion' from one dipole to the other whenever that gets around to happening again. I think that the doomsayers like Patrick Geryl have so little understanding of geomagnetic reversal that he is confused and thinks that the earth is going to both turn upside down and start spinning the other way -- even tho' he has no explanation whatsoever about what is supposed to make that happen. But in the meantime in his confusion he sells a lot of books and gets a lot of website hits. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 17:42:12 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 17:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8hvtu$9l6$1@news.spamcop.net... > My reading on the benefits of the magnetosphere vary. My understanding is > that our principle protection from the solar wind is our /atmosphere/ not > our magnetosphere - I suggest you read again. The magnetosphere is responsible for blocking various dangerous forms of radiation from entering our atmosphere. If it wasn't there we'd all be dead from cancer or radiation sickness. This link (very first one on my google search list) is an excellent read on how everything works, it's pretty complicated but fascinating: http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9725&page=9 From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 18:57:46 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 19:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> My reading on the benefits of the magnetosphere vary. My >> understanding is that our principle protection from the solar wind is >> our /atmosphere/ not our magnetosphere - The solar wind of charged particles (electrons and protons) is responsible for such as aurora and solar 'windstorms' are responsible for geomagnetic storms which affect communication, navigation, & such. Solar and other galactic radiation is another and different subject which I would refer to as 'cosmic radiation' - of which some is from the sun and most is from non-sun sources. The issue of (what is) solar wind vs (what is) the sun's contribution to cosmic radiation would involve an analysis of the variable energy states of the protons in question. > I suggest you read again. The magnetosphere is responsible for blocking > various dangerous forms of radiation from entering our atmosphere. The 'contribution' of the magnetosphere to protecting those of us on the surface of the earth from solar radiation is significantly less than the protection we gain from our atmosphere. The problem with being in space or a space station is because of getting out of the atmosphere, not from getting out of the magnetosphere. For example, traveling in an airplane across country subjects each human in the airplane to the cosmic radiation effect of a routine chest X-ray. That increased radiation is because of a diminution of the atmosphere at the commercial air traffic altitude above some atmosphere, not because of a diminution of the magnetosphere at altitude -- so the point of my example is how important the atmosphere is, and how relative to the atmosphere the magnetosphere is. > If it > wasn't there we'd all be dead from cancer or radiation sickness. If the atmosphere weren't there we would be getting a lot of radiation. > This link (very first one on my google search list) is an excellent > read on how everything works, it's pretty complicated but fascinating: > http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9725&page=9 That is an article about the problem of being in space or on the space station and being subjected to radiation outside of the atmosphere which is 'aggravated' by increases in solar radiation such as flares or whatever. The title of the article is "Radiation and the International Space Station: Recommendations to Reduce Risk (2000)" -- it is not an article about the hazards of solar flares, cosmic mass ejections or the protection afforded by the atmosphere vs the magnetosphere. It is an article regarding radiation risks outside of the atmosphere. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 20 19:02:23 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 20 19:05:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: < I meant to say...> Mike Easter wrote: > That increased radiation is because of a diminution of the atmosphere at > the commercial air traffic altitude above some atmosphere, not because > of a diminution of the magnetosphere at altitude -- so the point of my > example is how important the atmosphere is, and how relative to the > atmosphere the magnetosphere is. ... and how relative to the atmosphere, the magnetosphere is [much less important]. > it is not an article > about the hazards of solar flares, cosmic mass ejections or the > protection afforded by the atmosphere vs the magnetosphere. It is an > article regarding radiation risks outside of the atmosphere. s/cosmic/coronal/ -- coronal mass ejections -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 19:35:02 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 20 19:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] You want wacko theories? Message-ID: The world is ruled by shape-shifting reptiles living partially in the fourth dimension. It's true! I read it on the Internet! http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/27/83/ From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 21:05:28 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 20 21:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> But wiki sez > > Wiki sez whatever some random nutjob wants it to say. Hello. Personally, I find wikipedia more reliable than anything in the MSM. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 20 21:52:48 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 20 21:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Tim McGraw ! > >> It's true! I read it on the Internet! > > What are they going to do... On December 24, 2012???? Set out Egg Nog and cookies of course. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 20 23:48:19 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 20 23:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8i7pu$dea$1@news.spamcop.net... >> That increased radiation is because of a diminution of the atmosphere at >> the commercial air traffic altitude above some atmosphere, not because >> of a diminution of the magnetosphere at altitude -- so the point of my >> example is how important the atmosphere is, and how relative to the >> atmosphere the magnetosphere is. > > ... and how relative to the atmosphere, the magnetosphere is [much less > important]. Yes, I was thinking about the high altitude plane flights and mountain climbers being exposed to more radiation than the groundlings, but at the moment the reason for the difference in protection escapes me....unless it's an R squared relationship......I just can't get my arms around a simple atmosphere being capable of blocking radiation. By what manner? From gezgin at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 03:44:54 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net (Opinicus) Date: Thu Aug 21 03:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message > Feh, too long to read ;-) But where have I heard the name Quetzalcoatl > before? It sounds _real_ familiar, and even though I've maintained an > interest in the ancient Indian civilizations for as long as I can > remember, it feels to my feeble brain that "Quetzalcoatl" was used as the > name for something in a science fiction or horrow movie or something like > that. It wouldn't be Evan Hunter's "Find the Feathered Serpent" would it by any chance? http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/evan-hunter/find-feathered-serpent.htm It was one of my favorite books as a kid. -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Aug 21 12:19:36 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Aug 21 12:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> ... and how relative to the atmosphere, the magnetosphere is [much less >> important]. > > Yes, I was thinking about the high altitude plane flights and mountain > climbers being exposed to more radiation than the groundlings, but at > the moment the reason for the difference in protection escapes > me....unless it's an R squared relationship......I just can't get my > arms around a simple atmosphere being capable of blocking radiation. By > what manner? The problem with flying at commercial travel altitudes is the result of the cosmic particles on the aircraft fuselage leading to 'secondary' radiation. The kind of 'radiation' that is bad for your body's parts is ionizing radiation, which can consist of radiation 'rays' in the electromagnetic spectrum, such as X-rays or from radiation from subatomic particles such as protons (and many others). The wiki article on cosmic radiation leaves out a significant body of information because it seems to 'equate' cosmic radiation with particles only. A better and brief article about cosmic radiation can be found at a WHO article http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/env/cosmic/en/ Cosmic Radiation ... but the wiki has a pretty good/ excellent/ article on earth's background radiation sources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_radiation Background radiation ... and that wiki article does a very good job of addressing the issues about air travel contrasted with radiation exposure on the low orbiting ISS international spacestation contrasted with exposure for travelers further into space. Most of the radiation we experience in our lives is due to 'natural' earth sources, only about 13% is from cosmic sources. If you start getting away from earth, naturally the proportions and the degree of exposure changes greatly. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Aug 21 12:36:21 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Aug 21 12:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Borgholio >> Set out Egg Nog and cookies of course. > > "I like egg nog." I'm a bigtime drinker of all manner of beer, wine, and booze and especially my faves in all of those classes -- and/but I prefer my eggnog sans alcohol. (To my palate) Besides 'plain' virgin eggnog, the next best eggnog has the teensiest tiniest bit of something like rum in it. But definitely not very much. If you want to give me more rum, just pour it in a glass and hand it to me as a separate quaff. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 13:54:54 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 13:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Indigo wrote: >>>> But wiki sez >>> Wiki sez whatever some random nutjob wants it to say. Hello. >> Personally, I find wikipedia more reliable than anything in the MSM. > Because you research, independently, things that you look up, there? Or > because you like the answers that you find, there? I get the feeling that > it's more of the latter. And why would you say that? > Not saying that I don't use it as a reference 'cause I do, but definitely saying that it's not any more reliable than any other source. The MSM is driven by profit: they want readers and eyeballs. I can provide hundreds of examples <*cough* Ron Fournier *cough*> where the principles of objectivity I was taught as a journalism student in college have been thrown out the window. Wikipedia is a non-profit, and a damn good one at that. My experience is that the nutjob edits get corrected rapidly in the name of accuracy. Entries on George Washington, Oregon, and elephants notwithstanding. From asterix at no_where.net Thu Aug 21 14:05:18 2008 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Thu Aug 21 14:10:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: <1im1gw5.1nl2r6e435y1oN%asterix@no_where.net> Indigo wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:g8fscv$tvj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Indigo wrote: > >> I do not believe the end of the world is coming. > > I did not! > > > > > But the movie is! > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1190080/ > > Never heard about it before, but that's a helluva cast there! Betcha dollars > to donuts it produces a lot of panic when it comes out. They have used the same date - more or less - in X-files, and IIRC also in Terminator 3. If you say it ends in a little more than 4 years - have you just been sent back by the Seeker? (just saw the pilot of Odyssey 5...) -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 14:17:54 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 14:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> Personally, I find wikipedia more reliable than anything in the MSM. >>> Because you research, independently, things that you look up, there? >>> Or because you like the answers that you find, there? I get the >>> feeling that it's more of the latter. >> And why would you say that? > Because I wasn't familiar with your TLA. JFC, but do you consider NPR to > be MSM? How about Deomcracy Now/Pacifica? FSRN? NPR depends upon ratings to attract corporate sponsors. Never heard of FSRN before now. Follow the money: who started it and who funds it? JFC? >>> Not saying that I don't use it as a reference 'cause I do, but >>> definitely saying that it's not any more reliable than any other >>> source. >> The MSM is driven by profit: they want readers and eyeballs. > No profit motive for the 3 outlets listed above. Balderdash. Living in the PRB, I know that the world's first listener-supported radio network has pledge drives just like any other listener-supported media. The mothership station just happens to be in a very progressive community. That said, I only listen on Sunday, 1:00 - 3:00 p.m. PST. "America's Back 40: the Hicks from Coast to Coast." Best damn Americana DJ in the country: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?show=51 > They do want readers and eyeballs. But so do wiki authors. Wikipedia authors are hardly in it for the glory, wouldn't you say? Where's the byline? >> Wikipedia is a non-profit, and a damn good one at that. My experience >> is that the nutjob edits get corrected rapidly in the name of >> accuracy. > > But... Erudite but incorrect or imprecise pages... May never even be > noticed. "Erudite but incorrect or imprecise" does not compute. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 15:00:12 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 15:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Because I wasn't familiar with your TLA. JFC, but do you consider >>> NPR to be MSM? How about Deomcracy Now/Pacifica? FSRN? >> NPR depends upon ratings to attract corporate sponsors. Never heard of >> FSRN before now. Follow the money: who started it and who funds it? > So, OK, who started NPR Congress? > Pacifica That one I can answer: pacifists who opposed WWII. > FSRN? Don't know and I'm not inclined to look it up. > And who funds them? Ditto, above. Perhaps you could look it up in wikipedia? >>>> The MSM is driven by profit: they want readers and eyeballs. >>> No profit motive for the 3 outlets listed above. >> Balderdash. Living in the PRB, I know that the world's first >> listener-supported radio network has pledge drives just like any other >> listener-supported media. The mothership station just happens to be in >> a very progressive community. > That doesn't sound like a profit motive. That's a keeping a job motive. What's the dif? If they weren't broadcasting the stuff their listeners wanted to hear, then they wouldn't raise any money and would have to cease operations. >>> They do want readers and eyeballs. But so do wiki authors. >> Wikipedia authors are hardly in it for the glory, wouldn't you say? >> Where's the byline? > Get out of here. If they're not in it for the glory then what is the > motive? The byline is all over every edit you make. I daresay those pages have a fraction - and a minute fraction at that - compared to the article pages. > And other wiki geeks will know you did it and revere you. Uh, okay. A mutual admiration society? Or flamewar? Kinda like usenet? What am I doing here again? >>> But... Erudite but incorrect or imprecise pages... May never even >>> be noticed. >> "Erudite but incorrect or imprecise" does not compute. > Pages written by someone who knows enough about the subject to pull the > wool over your eyes without your knowing it. Erudite as in written by > some learned person. Incorrect as in wrong. Then ITYM "erudite-sounding yet incorrect or imprecise." > Regardless of who writes them, I find most wiki pages to be poorly > edited. Yeah, yeah, I could edit them myself but then... where's the > glory in that? There's no byline. Hardly gives you a right to complain then, eh? From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 15:11:18 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 15:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Did I mention that I love irony? Message-ID: In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar? According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was therefore not tortured. More: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 21 15:19:44 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 21 15:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Did I mention that I love irony? References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g8kekn$oeu$1@news.spamcop.net... | In all the discussion of John McCain's recently recovered memory of a | religious epiphany in Vietnam, one thing has been missing. The torture | that was deployed against McCain emerges in all the various accounts. It | involved sleep deprivation, the withholding of medical treatment, stress | positions, long-time standing, and beating. Sound familiar? | | According to the Bush administration's definition of torture, McCain was | therefore not tortured. | | More: | | http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/was-mccain-tort.html According to the Bush Admin and Bush himself (while governer of Texas) people aren't poor or hungry. There is plenty to eat and a lot of good paying jobs to be had, From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 21 15:21:49 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 21 15:25:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B018F4839F88TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | It wasn't me! It was "Mike Easter" ! | | > If you want to give me more rum, just pour it in a glass and | > hand it to me as a separate quaff. | | Ah. If you want to give me more rum just pour it on my baba (no raisins in | mine, please). I go for bread pudding with rum sauce and a good cup of dark roast coffee with full cream. From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 21 16:51:16 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 21 16:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Asian cal center. Message-ID: Been going round and round with problems with TXU residential power company (N. TexasZ) out sourced customer service department. Got one that was obviously not a Texas accent. Lady insisted she was in Texas, down town Dallas, to be exact. I expressed amassment and let on I was impressed. I asked "So how far is your office in Dallas from the Alamo" A: Just down the block. The way she talked one would think she goes there for lunch. From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 21 17:25:01 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 21 17:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Asian cal center. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-83F482.14202821082008@killface.local... | In article , | "Frog Prince" wrote: | | > A: Just down the block. | | Give or take 275 miles... That close? When things cool down a bit (likely some time in late Oct) I'm planning on dragging the grand kids down there for a 4 day weekend. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Aug 21 20:00:40 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> MSM. >> TLA. JFC, NPR >> FSRN? > JFC? > PRB, -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 20:04:43 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:05:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Charles wrote: >> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> MSM. >>> TLA. JFC, NPR >>> FSRN? >> JFC? >> PRB, LSMFT! From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Aug 21 20:39:45 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Charles wrote: >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>> MSM. >>>> TLA. JFC, NPR >>>> FSRN? >>> JFC? >>> PRB, > > LSMFT! AYBABTU From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 20:42:48 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> Charles wrote: >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>>> MSM. >>>>> TLA. JFC, NPR >>>>> FSRN? >>>> JFC? >>>> PRB, >> LSMFT! > AYBABTU ADCOMSUBORDCOMPHIBSPAC From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Thu Aug 21 20:44:43 2008 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Thu Aug 21 20:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g8l228$ebl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Borgholio wrote: >> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> Mike Easter wrote: >>>> Charles wrote: >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>>>> MSM. >>>>>> TLA. JFC, NPR >>>>>> FSRN? >>>>> JFC? >>>>> PRB, >>> LSMFT! >> AYBABTU > > ADCOMSUBORDCOMPHIBSPAC Supercalifragilisticexpialadotious... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 22:33:49 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 21 22:35:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g8k5i8$oi$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm a bigtime drinker of all manner of beer, wine, and booze and > especially my faves in all of those classes -- and/but I prefer my eggnog > sans alcohol. Me too, although I like to cut it with a little bit of milk, it's so damn rich in butter fat that my lactose intolerance usually shows up. Back in the days of my youth (high school senior year?) I remember drinking brandy fortified egg nog at a holiday part, and I got sick as a dog.....remember being on my knees in the backyard of the party house (a fellow soccer player) puking my guts out while witnessing several sets of parents show up to pick up their kids, apparently word got out what was going on that night ;-) That's about as bad as it gets, overdose of milk fat plus overdose of alcohol.....yuck. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 21 22:35:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Aug 21 22:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Opinicus" wrote in message news:g8j6dp$lbr$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Indigo" wrote in message > >> Feh, too long to read ;-) But where have I heard the name Quetzalcoatl >> before? It sounds _real_ familiar, and even though I've maintained an >> interest in the ancient Indian civilizations for as long as I can >> remember, it feels to my feeble brain that "Quetzalcoatl" was used as the >> name for something in a science fiction or horrow movie or something like >> that. > > It wouldn't be Evan Hunter's "Find the Feathered Serpent" would it by any > chance? > > http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/h/evan-hunter/find-feathered-serpent.htm > Doesn't ring a bell.... From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 22 06:25:05 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 22 06:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g8l8ic$9rg$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Mike Easter" wrote in message | news:g8k5i8$oi$1@news.spamcop.net... | > I'm a bigtime drinker of all manner of beer, wine, and booze and | > especially my faves in all of those classes -- and/but I prefer my eggnog | > sans alcohol. | | Me too, although I like to cut it with a little bit of milk, it's so damn | rich in butter fat that my lactose intolerance usually shows up. Back in the | days of my youth (high school senior year?) I remember drinking brandy | fortified egg nog at a holiday part, and I got sick as a dog.....remember | being on my knees in the backyard of the party house (a fellow soccer | player) puking my guts out while witnessing several sets of parents show up | to pick up their kids, apparently word got out what was going on that night | ;-) That's about as bad as it gets, overdose of milk fat plus overdose of | alcohol.....yuck. Those were the days ... worshiping at the porcelain alter. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 22 17:06:39 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 22 17:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: You want wacko theories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g8m4i2$lku$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Those were the days ... worshiping at the porcelain alter. > > Those days ended for me when I was 21 or 22, I hated "worshipping" so much that I made it a goal in life to never get that drunk again. I haven't puked from alcohol overuse since then (a "no shots" rule helped greatly ;-). In fact I never puked again until more than 20 years later, in April 2005, whan I got some kind of strange (food? Fentynal?) poisoning, then I heaved for 5-6 straight days despite two visits to the ER. I despise that gross act so much I will do damn near anything to avoid it. Besides, it's really no fun being drunk even if you _don't_ get sick. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Aug 23 20:00:29 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Aug 23 20:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Can we talk about music? Message-ID: Heathers are identical twins from Ireland. They were just in San Francisco, I have a pal who saw them twice. They are playing really, really small venues and without amplification. My pal says they play while facing each other, and when you hear how complex their harmonies are you'll know why. They have been touring the U.S. with another "folk punk" duo, Ghost Mice, and Heathers supports them when they tour Europe. You can sample Heathers at their MySpace page and buy the release for a measly $5.75, well, well worth the price. MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/heatherswhatsyourdamage Buy the CD: http://www.noidearecords.com/labels/planitx/ (scroll down to find Heathers) From me at privacy.net Sun Aug 24 00:42:38 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Aug 24 00:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g8kvqr$7u8$1@news.spamcop.net... | Mike Easter wrote: | > Charles wrote: | >> Tim McGraw wrote: | >>>>> MSM. | >>> TLA. JFC, NPR | >>> FSRN? | >> JFC? | >> PRB, | | LSMFT! Those two old gals still around? From me at privacy.net Sun Aug 24 09:43:42 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Texas court denies DeLay case appeal References: Message-ID: http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read/167612 Texas court denies DeLay case appeal AUSTIN, Texas, Aug. 24 (UPI) -- A Texas state appellate court says indictments against two associates of former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, are valid and should stand. James Ellis and John Colyando, who formerly worked for a political action committee known as Texans for a Republican Majority, were indicted for money laundering resulting from DeLay's efforts to raise corporate contributions for Republican candidates for the 2002 election, the Houston Chronicle reported. They had challenged the constitutionality of the state's money laundering statutes, but the appeals court ruled the law was not vague or overbroad, the newspaper said. "The challenged statutes give constitutionally adequate notice of the conduct prohibited and sufficiently determine guidelines for law enforcement," Third Court of Appeals Justice Alan Waldrop wrote in a 46-page opinion issued late Friday. Ellis, Colyando and DeLay are accused of conspiring to funnel $190,000 in corporate cash illegally to seven Texas House of Representatives candidates in the 2002 elections. The three contend the transactions done by Texans for a Republican Majority were completely legal. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Mon Aug 25 21:16:18 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Mon Aug 25 21:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > my job is geo-magnetics and relies on north being in a reasonably constant direction (to within 5% is usually best). Cattle shown to align north-south By Elizabeth Mitchell Science reporter, BBC News Monday, 25 August 2008 Have you ever noticed that herds of grazing animals all face the same way? Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their bodies in a north-south direction. Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7575459.stm From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 25 21:56:35 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Aug 25 22:00:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Where's John, eh? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9B05D034552C1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Looks like I'm heading off to the great white north (tm). Like, maybe > even > in the right province, this time. Of course, I'll be in at least 3 so > it's > not like that's a big surprise. Anyway... What the heck is up with John > these days anyway, ya think? Same thing that happened with Heidi and S-kat and others, I guess....it's summer, better things to do than sit in front of the computer at home...... From gezgin at spamcop.net Tue Aug 26 02:54:14 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net (Opinicus) Date: Tue Aug 26 02:55:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote > Cattle shown to align north-south > Have you ever noticed that herds of grazing animals all face the same way? > Images from Google Earth have confirmed that cattle tend to align their > bodies in a north-south direction. > Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has apparently > gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of years. Maybe they only started doing it recently? -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From gezgin at spamcop.net Tue Aug 26 12:29:35 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net (Opinicus) Date: Tue Aug 26 12:30:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote >>> Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has >>> apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of >>> years. >> Maybe they only started doing it recently? > Aha! Since man started throwing so much trash out in the wilds. Cows > it's > understandable - they have those magnet thingies You mean "So Long and Thanks for All the Garbage"? Actually I was thinking more along the lines of the dolphins in "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"... -- Bob, Tying It Back In With The End Of The World http://www.kanyak.com From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 26 14:19:33 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 26 14:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Opinicus wrote: >> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> Wild deer also display this behaviour - a phenomenon that has >>> apparently gone unnoticed by herdsmen and hunters for thousands of >>> years. >> Maybe they only started doing it recently? > Aha! Since man started throwing so much trash out in the wilds. Cows it's > understandable - they have those magnet thingies > () in their > bellies... Whoa, that explains a lot. Is it the weight of the magnets that prevent them from being eliminated? Do I really want to know? Now if we can just explain why sperm counts are down worldwide, whether you're in Hong Kong or the Outback, but especially if you're in Mid-Missouri: http://fooddemocracy.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/mystery-in-missouri-and-beyond-low-sperm-counts-and-hellhole-of-toxins/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Aug 26 15:12:13 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Aug 26 15:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Now if we can just explain why sperm counts are down worldwide, Male animals of all types are suffering most from their exposure to endocrine disrupting chemicals which is expressed in the article, but article doesn't seem to get its focus exactly correct. It is not practical to remove all or even many of those chemicals from the soil and water and foods which the animals including man intake. Sperm counts declining worldwide. Quality of sperm declining, testicular cancer rising worldwide. Male fertility dropping worldwide. Endocrine disrupting chemicals cause reproductive and health problems. Impact on children. Broader envionmental impact - disrupted endocrine systems in animals, fish and wildlife. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 26 16:12:31 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 26 16:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> Now if we can just explain why sperm counts are down worldwide, > > Male animals of all types are suffering most from their exposure to > endocrine disrupting chemicals which is expressed in the article, but > article doesn't seem to get its focus exactly correct. What's not correct? It's a reporting of facts, followed by a list of very sound action items individuals may (or may not) take up. > It is not practical to remove all or even many of those chemicals from the > soil and water and foods which the animals including man intake. Balderdash. Thousands of compounds found to be harmful have been banned and removed from the food chain. > > Sperm counts declining worldwide. > Quality of sperm declining, testicular cancer rising worldwide. > Male fertility dropping worldwide. > Endocrine disrupting chemicals cause reproductive and health problems. > Impact on children. > Broader envionmental impact - disrupted endocrine systems in animals, > fish and wildlife. > Those are all facts, what's wrong with them? Also, repeatedly, "no definitive link is known." From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Aug 26 17:15:41 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Aug 26 17:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> article doesn't seem to get its focus exactly correct. > > What's not correct? The focus is what I'm talking about, not the reporting of 'facts' or numerous issues. The thrust of the article is about "men in mid-Missouri have much lower sperm counts." and is most concerned about pesticides because it is an organic foods blog with an anti-pesticide agenda. The problem is that lots and lots of non-pesticides are very problematic in this 'endocrine disrupting chemicals' regard. Much more so than pesticides when properly studied. The 'mystery' of midMO spermcounts has been of quite some interest since 1999. At that time a study of semen quality in several urban areas was devised, and Columbia MO was thrown into the mix so as to 'balance' the urban results against a more rural one. Surprise surprise, Columbia turned out to bafflingly be the worst of the mix. Naturally that resulted in not only a lot more studies since then, but also some critical appraisals of what was wrong with the study design in the first place. http://www.columbiatribune.com/2008/Jun/20080615News002.asp Mystery affects Missouri males. - Published Sunday, June 15, 2008 - In 1999, a group of researchers including Drobnis were working on a study comparing semen quality across major metropolitan areas, suspecting that sperm counts were dropping worldwide. They selected New York, Minneapolis and Los Angeles for their study. But reviewers of the grant application recommended adding add another, more rural town. They selected Columbia. >> It is not practical to remove all or even many of those chemicals from >> the soil and water and foods which the animals including man intake. > > Balderdash. Thousands of compounds found to be harmful have been banned > and removed from the food chain. The problem is in the proper identification of the compounds found to be harmful. The 'rules' are woefully inadequate. >> >> Sperm counts declining worldwide. >> Quality of sperm declining, testicular cancer rising worldwide. >> Male fertility dropping worldwide. >> Endocrine disrupting chemicals cause reproductive and health >> problems. Impact on children. >> Broader envionmental impact - disrupted endocrine systems in animals, >> fish and wildlife. >> > > Those are all facts, what's wrong with them? I snipped that list of article headers to emphasize that the problem is much much much broader than the MO counts; to use the article's own headers to refocus the problem. The problem isn't really/just pesticides and it isn't just MO human sperm#s. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Aug 26 20:38:33 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Aug 26 20:40:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Live it up, the world ends in 4 years! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> What's not correct? > > The focus is what I'm talking about, not the reporting of 'facts' or > numerous issues. > > The thrust of the article is about "men in mid-Missouri have much lower > sperm counts." and is most concerned about pesticides because it is an > organic foods blog with an anti-pesticide agenda. The problem is that > lots and lots of non-pesticides are very problematic in this 'endocrine > disrupting chemicals' regard. Much more so than pesticides when properly > studied. If you're talking about something like pollutants from low-temperature waste burning, sure. Some studies have discovered that isomers found in the fat tissues of Americans are highly chlorinated dioxins and furans, which are closely associated with combustion. Others believe, but cannot prove, that sometime before (and possibly after) the exposure to dioxin-tainted oil to areas near Aurora and Verona, Missouri, and at Times Beach, Missouri, that Monsanto (a St. Louis company) purposefully exposed the entire region in order to eliminate controls in epidemiological studies. If everyone is exposed then workers and acute exposure is much more difficult to prove. > The problem is in the proper identification of the compounds found to be > harmful. The 'rules' are woefully inadequate. The MO seems to be, "if we don't know it's harmful, it's not." From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 27 13:09:35 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Aug 27 13:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] More Oil company shenanigans helped by a governmental "mistake" Message-ID: http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/08/mistake-by-interior-department-may-cost-taxpayers-billions-in-lost-royalty-payments/ Mistake by Interior Department may cost taxpayers billions in lost royalty payments Written by Rod Adams Published on June 8th, 2008 Bashing oil companies is a popular water cooler sport these days. At the risk of piling on, I just had to share my anger about some information that I learned on Thursday while listening to NPR's Marketplace program. The General Accountability Office released a report on June 5, 2008 that computed that the US Treasury may have to forgo oil royalty payments in excess of $53 Billion over the next 25 years because of an error made by the Interior Department. This forgone money is not uncollected taxes, it is the government's (taxpayers's) share of the revenue produced by selling oil that originated from reservoirs under publicly owned sea beds. Here is what happened. Congress, recognizing that drilling in deep water is difficult and costly, passed a law in 1995 giving the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service authority to provide "royalty relief" for off shore leases. For those who do not keep long term oil prices readily at hand, the price of a barrel of oil in 1995 was between $12 and $18. For the leases issued under this authority in 1996, 1997, and 2000, the MMS included a trigger price where royalty payments would begin if market prices reached certain levels. For some reason that is not well explained, the MMS failed to include any trigger price limit for the leases issued in 1998 and 1999. The production from areas leased during those two years may be royalty free for the entire length of the lease, no matter how high oil prices get. (In 1998, oil prices dipped below $10 per barrel in the late fall.) The GAO report provides a number of scenarios that show how the lost revenues to the government will vary depending on actual production and prices and there is quite a range in the estimates from a low of a few billion to a high (assuming oil prices of $100 per barrel) of about $53 Billion. Of course, we all know that $100 per barrel might be a low ball estimate for future prices since we have already seen prices in excess of $130 per barrel. Of course the oil companies are fighting any ex post facto imposition of royalty payments for 1998 and 1999 probably with good justification. However, what really gets me fired up is that Kerr-McGee has challenged the Interior Department's authority to impose the trigger price for any of the years in question. I also felt like yelling at the radio when I heard that an oil industry spokesman defended the royalty free production as important for encouraging companies to drill domestic wells for improved energy security. According to ExxonMobil's summary annual report for 2007 (available in the investor information section of the company's web site) it has spent $118 Billion during the years 2003-2007 simply purchasing its own stock. Its capital investment program for new drilling, tankers, pipelines, etc. was less than $90 billion during the same period. The company leadership has a right and a responsibility for making prudent capital allocation decisions, but please do not try to tell me that even a majority of the money saved by not paying royalties is plowed back into providing more energy resources for consumers. ExxonMobil is not alone in its use of capital for stock buybacks instead of new drilling programs - see, for example Chevron Announces Stock Buyback Program Though I am generally not a huge fan of government investment programs, it seems to me that even the Department of Energy could figure out ways to invest several billion dollars in new energy supply technology instead of using it to buy financial instruments like company stock. Oops - I just realized that I might be confusing some people by advocating that the government could do a better job when I started the article with a description of a "mistake" (or was it - see Interior Staff Had Inappropriate Relationships with Oil Industry) by government employees that led to the loss of revenue in the first place. I guess I a just a hopeless romantic that believes that there could be such a thing as "good government" if we return to the concept of "public servants" who really do focus on developing career expertise and a service mindset. For you young people - such a thing used to be possible! From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Aug 27 19:02:14 2008 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Aug 27 19:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Black hole to swallow earth Message-ID: Mark Wednesday September 10th on your calendar, the official start-up of the Large Hadron Collider. From a March story in the International Herald-Tribune: > Walter Wagner and Luis Sancho contend that scientists at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, have played down the chances that the collider could produce, among other horrors, a tiny black hole, which, they say, could eat the Earth. Or it could spit out something called a "strangelet" that would convert our planet to a shrunken dense dead lump of something called "strange matter." Their suit also says CERN has failed to provide an environmental impact statement as required under the U.S. National Environmental Policy Act. http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/29/europe/physics.php The Official Site for Citizens against the Large Hardon Collider: http://www.lhcdefense.org From gezgin at spamcop.net Thu Aug 28 01:44:05 2008 From: gezgin at spamcop.net (Opinicus) Date: Thu Aug 28 01:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Black hole to swallow earth References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:g94mdn$3qd$1@news.spamcop.net... > The Official Site for Citizens against the Large Hardon Collider: Quite so... -- Bob http://www.kanyak.com From me at privacy.net Thu Aug 28 09:28:39 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 28 09:30:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Democratic Convention Agenda References: <73b55120-ada8-4931-b684-faec5581e804@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Politics is alive and well: Bill Clinton has asked Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home From me at privacy.net Fri Aug 29 17:22:35 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 29 17:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More Oil company shenanigans helped by a governmental "mistake" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-FB864A.14122429082008@c-68-52-143-10.hsd1.tn.comcast.net... | In article , | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | | > And if Bush/Cheney weren't in some way involved in this I'll eat my hat. | | I think you'll be eating your hat. From the article: | | > the MMS failed to include any | > trigger price limit for the leases issued in 1998 and 1999. | | Need some Worcestershire sauce to go with that? Given what I know bout bush, Cheney & co. I would be careful passing any kinda sauce. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 18:30:10 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 18:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: More Oil company shenanigans helped by a governmental "mistake" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:g99qh2$jp6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:v8ltfuv02-FB864A.14122429082008@c-68-52-143-10.hsd1.tn.comcast.net... > | > | Need some Worcestershire sauce to go with that? > > Given what I know bout bush, Cheney & co. I would be careful passing any > kinda sauce. > > Deep in the article it *is* mentioned that this particular bill (and the mistake) was passed under Clinton's watch.....not that that proves that he's at fault, the Repugnicans were in charge of Congress at the time, they're well know for slipping minor changes and addendums into huge bills at the last second that no one (admittedly) notices because the bills are so huge no human can possibly read every single word and still get any work done. They depend on their staffers for that, and if they don't have accountants on their staff......I mean, look at how long it took for the media investigators to find the loophole! If not for windfall profits by the oil companies, it may never have come to light. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 18:36:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 18:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Where's John, eh? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B098E26B54CBsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... The Olympics in HD was quite excellent, other than the > piss poor coverage of course. Bloody NBC. I'm pissed at them catering to the female audience all the time. Gymnastics, swimming, more gymnastics....boooorrrrinng! Except when Phelps was swimming, and the only reason I watched his races is because he's from Baltimore. I can't believe there wasn't one single second of soccer or basketball coverage on at a decent time! They're the two most popular sports in the world! And of course there was the "sex sells" angle, I don't think a single minute of beach volleyball was missed. Blah. And the local paper didn't help, most nights they just listed "various sports" as the evening programming. Gee, thanks for nothing. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 18:41:01 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 18:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Building 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B098A9B468AFsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:g7q4ga$6fp$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Thanks for the link, I saved this message just in case some whacko >> tries to bring up the conspiracy theory again in the future. >> >> > > *narrows eyes at indi* > > are you implying that i'm a whacko for mentioning the possibility that 93 > was shot down? No, that would have been yer hubby ;-) Besides, IIRC, that article was about the collapse of buildings at the World Trade Center, not the crash of Flight 93. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 18:42:56 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Damn! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B09897B348C1sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > "Indigo" wrote in > news:g7iksi$4vk$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> A gal I went to high school with has been given a share of yesterday's >> Powerball winnings! > > damn, you shoulda married her lol I sure as hell wanted to date her! Maybe you missed the "she plays for the other team" comment? Besides, these days a million bucks only means you'll have a decent retirement, sure wouldn't be able to quit your job. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 18:44:47 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 18:45:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: good grief, i had no idea In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9B098620AAA1sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> > > uh, i doubt Stroh (the rum) was ever brewed in PA and I sure hope you > didn't grow up on it lol Never heard of Stroh, the rum. Stroh'(s) is a beer, if you want to call it that. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 19:07:44 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 29 19:10:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Where's John, eh? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g99tm5$tn1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm pissed at them catering to the female audience all the time. > Gymnastics, swimming, more gymnastics....boooorrrrinng! Except when Phelps > was swimming, and the only reason I watched his races is because he's from > Baltimore. I can't believe there wasn't one single second of soccer or > basketball coverage on at a decent time! They're the two most popular > sports in the world! And of course there was the "sex sells" angle, I > don't think a single minute of beach volleyball was missed. Blah. And the > local paper didn't help, most nights they just listed "various sports" as > the evening programming. Gee, thanks for nothing. The streaming video/rewinds were the BEST. I got to see ALL the horses, without any stupid commentators, not just the half-rides of the US riders and nothing else. If they broadcast live and I was at work, I caught it on the rewind that night. I"m hoping the show jumping is still up, I haven't managed to watch that yet. TV coverage sucked wind, who has all day to hang around and wait for a few glimpses of what you want in amongst a lot of other shit? The beach volleyball was such an obvious T& A flaunt it wasn't even funny. Yuck..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 19:13:54 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Aug 29 19:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Inexplicable...Sara WHO? Message-ID: McCain is definitely off his meds.......she's got zero experience, makes Obama look like an old sage, she's possibly being indicted in an ethics scandal for trying to get her BIL fired,( so she fits right in), and she even tries to wipe out Alaska's own polar bears in favor of drilling, threatening to sue the government if they list the polar bear as endangered because it will mean a protected habitat - i.e. no drilling. What a peach. Biden is going to chew her up and spit her out....... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Aug 29 19:33:12 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Aug 29 19:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > she's possibly being indicted in an ethics > scandal for trying to get her BIL fired,( so she fits right in), Allegations by a disgruntled fired former Department of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan is no where near the same as 'possibly being indicted'. Wooten (the BIL trooper) sounds whacky to me^1; apparently he was threatening to kill Sarah's father -- and the private investigation of him sed he was drunken driving, illegal hunting and child abuse. ADN AnchorageDailyNews story below. > What a peach. Biden is going to chew her up and spit her out....... I suspect Palin will derive some disgruntled Hillary supporters, some disgruntled Christian rightwingers, and bolster the McCain ticket as one of reform the new Republican mantra (as opposed to 'change'). No dispute the dems have some great speakers. How confusing it must be for those who are otherwise confused about abortion issues to see a pro-choicer who at age 44 decided to continue her Down's Syndrome pregnancy. ^1 http://www.adn.com/politics/story/469135.html Former commissioner says governor's husband, others asked him to investigate trooper Wooten. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 20:16:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Aug 29 20:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:g99vro$3gi$1@news.spamcop.net... > McCain is definitely off his meds.......she's got zero experience, makes > Obama look like an old sage, she's possibly being indicted in an ethics > scandal for trying to get her BIL fired,( so she fits right in), and she > even tries to wipe out Alaska's own polar bears in favor of drilling, > threatening to sue the government if they list the polar bear as > endangered because it will mean a protected habitat - i.e. no drilling. > What a peach. Biden is going to chew her up and spit her out....... > I just heard the news myself and said "who?!?!" I think McCain just lost the campaign. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Aug 29 23:59:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Aug 30 00:00:05 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g9a100$6bk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Allegations by a disgruntled fired former Department of Public Safety > Commissioner Walt Monegan is no where near the same as 'possibly being > indicted'. This doesn't sound like he was 'disgruntled' at all, it sounds like he was pressured to do something he didn't want to do, and got fired for not doing it. http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/ "Enter Walt Monegan, Palin's appointed new chief of the Department of Public Safety and head of the troopers. Monegan was beloved by the troopers, did a bang-up job with minimal funding and suddenly got axed. Palin was out of town and Monegan got "offered another job" (aka fired) with no explanation to Alaskans. Pressure was put on the governor to give details, because rumors started to swirl around the fact that the highly respected Monegan was fired because he refused to fire the aforementioned Mike Wooten. Palin vehemently denied ever talking to Monegan or pressuring Monegan in any way to fire Wooten, or that anyone on her staff did. Over the weeks it has come out that not only was pressure applied, there were literally dozens of conversations in which pressure was applied to fire him. Monegan has testified to this fact, spurring an ongoing investigation by the Alaska state legislature. But, before this investigation got underway, Palin sent the Alaska State Attorney General out to do some investigative work of his own so she could find out in advance what the real investigation was going to find. (No, I'm not making this up). The AG interviewed several people, unbeknownst to the actual appointed investigator or the Legislature! Palin's investigation of herself uncovered a recorded phone call retained by the Alaska State Troopers from Frank Bailey, a Palin underling, putting pressure on a trooper about the Wooten non-firing. Todd Palin (governor's husband) even talked to Monegan himself in Palin's office while she was away. Bailey is now on paid administrative leave." From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Aug 30 07:41:57 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Aug 30 07:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Allegations by a disgruntled fired former Department of Public Safety >> Commissioner Walt Monegan is no where near the same as 'possibly being >> indicted'. > > This doesn't sound like he was 'disgruntled' at all, it sounds like he > was pressured to do something he didn't want to do, and got fired for > not doing it. Monegan was a Palin appointee, subject to being fired 'at will' - without cause - whatever you want to call it, any time Palin wanted to. Palin sez she fired Monegan for issues related to filling trooper vacancies, not doing enough about alcohol abuse, and not being a team player about his department's budget. Palin sez her staff, particularly Mike Tribbles, made several recorded calls not at her behest which were about Wooten being a bad trooper. Others who were down on Wooten were the AG Talis Colberg and Todd Palin, Sarah's husband. This is an struggle partly involving union support conflicts. Sarah Palin is a union member, Todd Palin is a union member, Mike Wooten is a union member, and lots of people are very sensitive to union issue 'crises'. When Wooten was suspended for 10 days in 2006 Mar by Col. Julia Grimes the head of the state troopers, her letter sed "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession," and was based on a very extensive investigation and a lot of Wooten misdeeds by a 25 year old who misuses his hunting rifle (illegally on a moose), his taser (on his stepson), his alcohol (in the trooper car and drunken driving) and his mouth (death threats toward Palin's father). Wooten's union wasn't so happy about that suspension and made the suspension be reduced to 5 days. Grimes letter at the time also indicated that if Wooten messed up again, he would be fired. Apparently there is some difference of opinion how bad he has been messing up since 2006 and whether or not he should be fired. At the present time, Monegan is fired and Wooten isn't. http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html Is Wooten a good trooper? (7/27/08) Union says yes, but investigation found serious concerns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Public_Safety_Commissioner_dismissal On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Monegan and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[4][5] Her power to fire him is not in dispute. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Aug 30 20:31:30 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Aug 30 20:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:g9a3gj$dji$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:g99vro$3gi$1@news.spamcop.net... >> McCain is definitely off his meds.......she's got zero experience, makes >> Obama look like an old sage, she's possibly being indicted in an ethics >> scandal for trying to get her BIL fired,( so she fits right in), and she >> even tries to wipe out Alaska's own polar bears in favor of drilling, >> threatening to sue the government if they list the polar bear as >> endangered because it will mean a protected habitat - i.e. no drilling. >> What a peach. Biden is going to chew her up and spit her out....... >> > I just heard the news myself and said "who?!?!" I think McCain just lost > the campaign. As my friend Pam says, McCain likes to surround himself with beautiful women, and he just picked the first VPILF......LOL From me at privacy.net Sun Aug 31 02:16:30 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Aug 31 02:20:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Gustav Prep? More Guns And Ammo! References: <9v4kb49ncd70bf5ato4fadle477ccs9uaq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Won't know until sometime Sunday if it's a mandatory evac for all. Right now they are moving the ill, disabled and those without transport. >From another group: http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1220073771119040.xml&coll=1 Yep, they're lining up at the gun stores to buy weapons and ammo. Some quotes from the article.... "I'm not one of those crazy kind of people that think we're going to be at war with ourselves, but you just never know," Well, based on the past, he's probably right. And they can't depend on law enforcement and know it. "It's just like any other hurricane supply," Depends on where you live, I guess. From loafman at spamcop.net Sun Aug 31 08:01:56 2008 From: loafman at spamcop.net (Kenneth Loafman) Date: Sun Aug 31 08:05:03 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:31:30 -0400, Heidi wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:g9a3gj$dji$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Heidi" wrote in message >> news:g99vro$3gi$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> McCain is definitely off his meds.......she's got zero experience, >>> makes Obama look like an old sage, she's possibly being indicted in an >>> ethics scandal for trying to get her BIL fired,( so she fits right >>> in), and she even tries to wipe out Alaska's own polar bears in favor >>> of drilling, threatening to sue the government if they list the polar >>> bear as endangered because it will mean a protected habitat - i.e. no >>> drilling. What a peach. Biden is going to chew her up and spit her >>> out....... >>> >> I just heard the news myself and said "who?!?!" I think McCain just >> lost the campaign. > > As my friend Pam says, McCain likes to surround himself with beautiful > women, and he just picked the first VPILF......LOL Considering the deep vetting he did, one visit and two phone calls, he got exactly what the puppet-masters wanted. She was clearly not his first choice by a mile. Considering his age, the quote "one heartbeat away from the presidency", takes on real meaning. ...Ken From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 31 16:22:13 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:g9e17k$e2p$1@news.spamcop.net... > Considering the deep vetting he did, one visit and two phone calls, he > got exactly what the puppet-masters wanted. She was clearly not his > first choice by a mile. > > Considering his age, the quote "one heartbeat away from the presidency", > takes on real meaning. I guess we needn't worry, as her husband seems to be ready to step in when needed.... http://www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 31 16:42:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 31 16:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:g9bbm1$q88$1@news.spamcop.net... > Monegan was a Palin appointee, subject to being fired 'at will' - without > cause - whatever you want to call it, any time Palin wanted to. Palin sez > she fired Monegan for issues related to filling trooper vacancies, not > doing enough about alcohol abuse, and not being a team player about his > department's budget. Sure, that's what she says, but is it true? Evidence would appear to make it not true, as the investigation revealed, and then she had to change her story and feign ignorance about all the calls made to pressure for the firing, saying they weren't her idea. Well, who the hell ELSE would care about her brother in law? Her staffers? Doubtful. Worried about keeping their jobs if they didn't comply with her agenda? Oh, ya think? > > Palin sez her staff, particularly Mike Tribbles, made several recorded > calls not at her behest which were about Wooten being a bad trooper. > Others who were down on Wooten were the AG Talis Colberg and Todd Palin, > Sarah's husband. The 'not at her behest' is the joke. No one else had a dog in that fight, and if he was in violation of police policies, he could and should have been removed without her pressure, with legal backup. Whether he should have been fired or not isn't really the issue, the issue is she abused her power to make it happen for personal reasons, and that's inappropriate. > > This is an struggle partly involving union support conflicts. Sarah Palin > is a union member, Todd Palin is a union member Todd Palin is a "nobody" - he has no official capacity in the government, but is present at many official meetings whether it's appropriate or not. Sounds to me like if you raise a stink about propriety, you lose your job. From Ag2000CO at Starband.net Sun Aug 31 16:59:37 2008 From: Ag2000CO at Starband.net (LKing) Date: Sun Aug 31 17:00:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote, On 8/31/2008 4:42 PM: > Todd Palin is a "nobody" - he has no official capacity in the government, > but is present at many official meetings whether it's appropriate or not. > Did you object to that "nobody" in the Clinton administration that went to "many official meetings"? I can't remember, what was her name? Oh yea, Hillery. But, this obviously isn't an evenhanded discussion. From Ag2000CO at Starband.net Sun Aug 31 17:03:11 2008 From: Ag2000CO at Starband.net (LKing) Date: Sun Aug 31 17:05:02 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] Re: Inexplicable...Sara WHO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote, On 8/31/2008 4:22 PM: > > I guess we needn't worry, as her husband seems to be ready to step in when > needed.... > And did you wonder why Hillary didn't make the VP call? My guess would be because "her husband seems to be ready to step in when needed" would be my guess. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 31 21:35:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Aug 31 21:40:04 2008 Subject: [Scsocial] My, my, what a juicy scandal.... Message-ID: So the latest is that Sara Palin didn't give birth to her fifth child this year, the child is actually her daughter's child and she covered up her pregnancy by claming the child was hers and keeping her daughter out of school for five months with "mono". The whole story kind of smells bad, like there may actually be something to it....photos and all... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223 There were some pictures of her in previous months on the Alaska government site, but oddly, they were taken down yesterday. Sad thing is that her teenage daughter is going to get dragged through the mud, whether it's true or not, because the press isn't about to let it go.