From mikeyhsd at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 14:04:14 2009 From: mikeyhsd at hotmail.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:05:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] reporting problem ) maybe Message-ID: have 2 email accounts. both use the same email address and reply address. use the same reporting address when reporting spam from each. only the primary account spam gets reported back for filing. what happens to the second accounts reporting emails. they do not even appear at spam cop for manually filing. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeta.cesmail.net/pipermail/schelp/attachments/20090701/f1836a0f= /attachment.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 1 14:29:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Jul 1 14:30:04 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: reporting problem ) maybe References: Message-ID: I doubt the problem has anything to do with not being the "official" = reporting account at all, I report from numerous accounts, only one of whic= h = is my "reporting address" account. Most likely the second email account is on an ISP that is stopping outbound = spam. "mikeyhsd" wrote in message = news:h2g8f8$gpp$1@news.spamcop.net... have 2 email accounts. both use the same email address and reply address. use the same reporting address when reporting spam from each. only the primary account spam gets reported back for filing. what happens to the second accounts reporting emails. they do not even appear at spam cop for manually filing. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeta.cesmail.net/pipermail/schelp/attachments/20090701/a0f33894= /attachment.htm From mikeyhsd at hotmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:27:22 2009 From: mikeyhsd at hotmail.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Wed Jul 1 19:30:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: reporting problem ) maybe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: possibly will inquire. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net "Bar0" wrote in message news:h2g9tl$n02$1@news.spamc= op.net... I doubt the problem has anything to do with not being the "official" repo= rting account at all, I report from numerous accounts, only one of which is= my "reporting address" account. = Most likely the second email account is on an ISP that is stopping outbou= nd spam. "mikeyhsd" wrote in message news:h2g8f8$gpp$1@ne= ws.spamcop.net... have 2 email accounts. both use the same email address and reply address. use the same reporting address when reporting spam from each. only the primary account spam gets reported back for filing. what happens to the second accounts reporting emails. they do not even appear at spam cop for manually filing. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeta.cesmail.net/pipermail/schelp/attachments/20090701/e90d2a11= /attachment.htm From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 2 14:36:21 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 2 14:40:11 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: reporting problem ) maybe References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > Most likely the second email account is on an ISP that is stopping > outbound spam. You must've understood the question either differently or better than I did. I assumed the 2 mailboxes were at the same provider, but I can now see that that same provider assumption might've been unwarranted. I wish I could get/see all of the people who like to news communicate using incomplete sentences to change that style. It commonly works just fine in casual realtime face-to-face conversation, but it adds just another layer of murkiness and ambiguity to news communication which needs more words, not less. Which incomplete sentences problem gets compounded by no-context top posting. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From mikeyhsd at hotmail.com Thu Jul 2 20:03:20 2009 From: mikeyhsd at hotmail.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Thu Jul 2 20:05:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: reporting problem ) maybe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: yes they are with different providers. -- = mikeyhsd@lamparty.net "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2iun4$d30$1@new= s.spamcop.net... Bar0 wrote: > Most likely the second email account is on an ISP that is stopping > outbound spam. You must've understood the question either differently or better than I did. I assumed the 2 mailboxes were at the same provider, but I can now see that that same provider assumption might've been unwarranted. I wish I could get/see all of the people who like to news communicate using incomplete sentences to change that style. It commonly works just fine in casual realtime face-to-face conversation, but it adds just another layer of murkiness and ambiguity to news communication which needs more words, not less. Which incomplete sentences problem gets compounded by no-context top posting. -- = Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://zeta.cesmail.net/pipermail/schelp/attachments/20090702/5853724b= /attachment.htm From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 2 23:49:50 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 2 23:50:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: reporting problem ) maybe References: Message-ID: mikeyhsd could have written: I have mail with 2 different providers, but they both use the same email address. I spamcop report the spam to both those accounts mailboxes via one spamcop reporting account. Spamcop responds to one of those account submissions but not the other. Don't (That means 'in my opinion one shouldn't) call accounts with two different providers 'primary' and 'secondary' -- typically those terms are used in reference to a master account and secondary accounts with the same provider. If you suspect spam containing mail which you are trying to send to your spamcop submit address is being blocked and dropped on the floor - silently deleted - by that provider, you can copy the spamcop submission mail to another outside account and see if you receive it. If your provider is losing it, then you won't get the copy to your outside account. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From this-is-fake-address at o2.plx Fri Jul 3 17:45:01 2009 From: this-is-fake-address at o2.plx (Zbyszek) Date: Fri Jul 3 17:50:04 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Can you help me by telling what to do with Microsoft? Message-ID: Can you help me by telling what to do? I do not know if I should laugh at Microsoft (live.com, hotmail.com owner) or cry on their stupidy: : host mx2.hotmail.com[65.55.37.72] said: 550 SC-001 Mail rejected by Windows Live Hotmail for policy reasons. Reasons for rejection may be related to content with spam-like characteristics or IP/domain reputation problems. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your E-mail/Internet Service Provider for help. Email/network admins, please visit http://postmaster.live.com for email delivery information and support (in reply to MAIL FROM command) Only Microsoft could be so stupid to protect abuse mailbox with antispam protection and require full scam source to have valid scam report. This is not joke. I receive some scam from live.com and have to report it but can't do it because of antispam filter. have a nice day, Zbigniew From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 3 20:24:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 3 20:25:04 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Can you help me by telling what to do with Microsoft? References: Message-ID: Zbyszek wrote: > Can you help me by telling what to do? MS thinks you should apply to see if you will be approved to be able to report spam to them. http://postmaster.live.com/Services.aspx Junk E-Mail Reporting Program - A free service to report junk e-mail issues coming from Windows Live Hotmail accounts - Windows Live Hotmail take action on the reports - Helps keep internet clean from abusers -- If you are interested in participating, please complete the questionnaire and send your responses to: http://support.msn.com/ . While we do try to accommodate requests, we cannot guarantee enrollment into the program. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 3 20:34:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Fri Jul 3 20:35:11 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Can you help me by telling what to do with Microsoft? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h2m7f5$c3$1@news.spamcop.net... > Zbyszek wrote: >> Can you help me by telling what to do? > > MS thinks you should apply to see if you will be approved to be able to > report spam to them. > > http://postmaster.live.com/Services.aspx Junk E-Mail Reporting Program - > A free service to report junk e-mail issues coming from Windows Live > Hotmail accounts - Windows Live Hotmail take action on the reports - > Helps keep internet clean from abusers -- If you are interested in > participating, please complete the questionnaire and send your responses > to: http://support.msn.com/ . While we do try to accommodate requests, we > cannot guarantee enrollment into the program. funny, I was invited at one point, however, the price would have been having my account un-spam blocked. Since I didn't want to see a daily 50 to 100 items in my junk folder ever again, I never replied. From dritz at mindspring.com Sun Jul 5 01:10:23 2009 From: dritz at mindspring.com (David Ritz) Date: Sun Jul 5 01:15:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Can you help me by telling what to do with Microsoft? 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References: Message-ID: David Ritz wrote: > dritz:~> whois -h whois.abuse.net live.com > abuse@hotmail.com (for live.com) > report_spam@live.com (for live.com) > report_spam@hotmail.com (for live.com) > > I suspect that skipping the one address and using the two > addresses will help relieve your frustration. Thanks for response. I report to Microsoft only phishing attempts (Nigerian scam) when scammers have incoming mailbox on their server. That is why I have to use abuse account instead of report_spam. Zbyszek From dritz at mindspring.com Mon Jul 6 23:46:54 2009 From: dritz at mindspring.com (David Ritz) Date: Mon Jul 6 23:50:03 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Can you help me by telling what to do with Microsoft? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 06 July 2009 00:08 +0200, in article , Zbyszek wrote: > David Ritz wrote: >> I suspect that skipping the one address and using the two >> addresses will help relieve your frustration. > Thanks for response. I report to Microsoft only phishing attempts > (Nigerian scam) when scammers have incoming mailbox on their server. > That is why I have to use abuse account instead of report_spam. Zbyszek, There are substantial differences between phishing attempts and Nigerian 419 (advance fee) scams. In either case the correct reporting addresses for Microsoft's free services will be . Using John Levine's whois.abuse.net database to find these contacts is very worthwhile. One thing I forgot to mention in my original reply to your question is, unless the spam in question was actually originated via MS servers, you will be best served by providing some kind of orienteering kit for their first tier abuse handling. Think of these as a map, flashlight (torch) and compass. If you are dealing with a spammer drop-box, such as an email address or mailto: link in the body of a message, or a Reply-To address in the message headers, you'll need to make this clear to the recipient. spammer drop-box: foo@bar.baz I'll usually add this tip in the Subject line of my complaint, as well. Subject: [foo@bar.baz] (original subject line) Generally, if you are tempted to send a report because of a From line address, don't. It's almost undoubtedly fake. The exception is when the spam in question is actually originated via the MS mail farm. - -- David Ritz Be kind to animals; kiss a shark. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (Darwin) Comment: Public Keys: iEYEARECAAYFAkpSxTgACgkQUrwpmRoS3usjtgCfUBdHRCNLIDdicjofEPYfBBHL fvUAnAoM32BCiAxe/c4ndqrcBEIF/9cW =SI9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----