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It reorders the Received headers, which makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not forwarding other headers including X-headers, which is of less importance but which may loose some valuable information needed by ISPs/hosting companies. The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as an attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop forwarding as an attachment. I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help in tracking this down. Ellen SpamCop From connyank at cox.net Mon Apr 6 09:20:52 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Mon Apr 6 09:25:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 04/06/2009 05:06 AM Ellen scribbled: > As a result of a fairly lengthy and intense investigation of Outlook > 2003 and 2007: Outlook does *not* include full and accurate headers when > you forward spams as attachments. It reorders the Received headers, > which makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not forwarding other > headers including X-headers, which is of less importance but which may > loose some valuable information needed by ISPs/hosting companies. > > The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that > SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. > > Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. > > Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as > an attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running > mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop > forwarding as an attachment. > > I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help > in tracking this down. > > > > Ellen > SpamCop I'd call that timely, no offense to you Ellen... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Apr 6 11:52:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Mon Apr 6 11:55:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net... > As a result of a fairly lengthy and intense investigation of Outlook 2003 > and 2007: Outlook does *not* include full and accurate headers when you > forward spams as attachments. It reorders the Received headers, which > makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not forwarding other headers > including X-headers, which is of less importance but which may loose some > valuable information needed by ISPs/hosting companies. > > The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that > SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. > > Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. > > Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as an > attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running > mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop > forwarding as an attachment. > > I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help in > tracking this down. How strange, I've never seen any received headers in a forwarded WetlLook attachment, whether I forwarded as attachment or pasted the spamitem into a new mail from the folders list., So I'm surprised that received lines are reordered, since they've never been served up for me. Outlook Express , on the other hand, seems to work fine. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Apr 6 10:32:31 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Apr 6 13:10:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: jg wrote: > > I'd call that timely, no offense to you Ellen... ???? Ellen From connyank at cox.net Mon Apr 6 21:00:08 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Mon Apr 6 21:05:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On 04/06/2009 07:32 AM Ellen scribbled: > jg wrote: > >> I'd call that timely, no offense to you Ellen... > > > ???? > > > Ellen > What I was referring to was the fact that this is 2009 and you are referring to Outlook 2003 and 2007 - seems a tad late for someone to be discovering this now. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 6 22:15:33 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Mon Apr 6 22:20:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: jg wrote: > On 04/06/2009 07:32 AM Ellen scribbled: > >> jg wrote: >> >>> I'd call that timely, no offense to you Ellen... >> >> ???? >> >> >> Ellen >> > What I was referring to was the fact that this is 2009 and you are > referring to Outlook 2003 and 2007 - seems a tad late for someone to be > discovering this now. I think this is a very rare occurrence; I have been forwarding Outlook 2003 messages as attachments since - well, you guess it - and I have never had any problem with it. From Ag2000CO at NotValid.net Mon Apr 6 22:33:42 2009 From: Ag2000CO at NotValid.net (Lou) Date: Mon Apr 6 22:35:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Bar0 wrote, On 4/6/2009 11:52 AM: > > "Ellen" wrote in message > news:49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net... >> As a result of a fairly lengthy and intense investigation of Outlook >> 2003 and 2007: Outlook does *not* include full and accurate headers >> when you forward spams as attachments. It reorders the Received >> headers, which makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not >> forwarding other headers including X-headers, which is of less >> importance but which may loose some valuable information needed by >> ISPs/hosting companies. >> >> The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that >> SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. >> >> Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. >> >> Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as >> an attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running >> mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop >> forwarding as an attachment. >> >> I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help >> in tracking this down. > > How strange, I've never seen any received headers in a forwarded > WetlLook attachment, whether I forwarded as attachment or pasted the > spamitem into a new mail from the folders list., So I'm surprised that > received lines are reordered, since they've never been served up for me. > > Outlook Express , on the other hand, seems to work fine. Of course without a line-by-line comparison of the original and the parsed header how would you know if there was a problem. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Apr 9 01:21:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Thu Apr 9 01:25:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: jg wrote: >> > What I was referring to was the fact that this is 2009 and you are > referring to Outlook 2003 and 2007 - seems a tad late for someone to be > discovering this now. Knowing MS, it may be something that was introduced through a recent update. AIRC, 2003 didn't forward headers in the attachment, therefore the need for one of the helper programs. Since 2007 came out, 2003 now includes headers, suggesting something was updated in the two most recent versions. 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It's a bit > of a PITA, but it works since you can't receive email before its sent you > know when the last send happened and you can trace back from there. > > As to the missing headers, there's no solution for that. > > This problem occurred for us in late 2004, so its not a new issue. > > ...Ken Problem with that is there are forged headers at play which may end up between the valid headers when doing any sort of resorting on the data after the fact. Headers need to be placed there by the servers that touch the message and then accurately transfer all that data to the next step. If you know all headers are valid and have valid timestamps (nobody's clock is off) your method will work, but should be unnecessary if all programs play by the rules (RFC's). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Apr 15 22:30:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Wed Apr 15 22:35:09 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Planned Maintenance Window - Thursday, April 16, 2009 Message-ID: Scheduled server maintenance and software upgrades will be taking place starting at 2:00 p.m. PDT (-0700) Thursday, April 16, 2009. During this time the SpamCop Reporting Service website may not be available for a period of up to two hours in duration. Emailed spam submissions will be accepted, but processing will be delayed during the maintenance process. This will not affect the SpamCop/CESmail email service, newsgroups or forums. The purpose of this upgrade is to fix a few more operational bugs that have come up from the last release. New release will be 4.5.0-102 Richard From mrmaxx at spamcop.net Thu Apr 23 11:23:35 2009 From: mrmaxx at spamcop.net (John Aldrich) Date: Thu Apr 23 11:25:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:06:51 -0400, Ellen wrote: > As a result of a fairly lengthy and intense investigation of Outlook > 2003 and 2007: Outlook does *not* include full and accurate headers when > you forward spams as attachments. It reorders the Received headers, > which makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not forwarding other > headers including X-headers, which is of less importance but which may > loose some valuable information needed by ISPs/hosting companies. > > The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that > SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. > > Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. > > Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as > an attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running > mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop > forwarding as an attachment. > > I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help > in tracking this down. > > Ellen, might I *respectfully* suggest something on the front page of the SpamCop reporting sites (especially mailsc.spamcop.net) to that effect? I just stumbled into the newsgroups to ask a question. Here it is 2 weeks plus after you posted this and I've been forwarding email from Outlook for the past two weeks, not realizing it was verboten. I won't forward out of Outlook any longer, but you might want to think about making sure that people are notified of this change on the front pages of the reporting sites.... Just a suggestion. From bert at iphouse.com Thu Apr 23 13:04:47 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Thu Apr 23 13:05:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Emailed reports not being processed? Message-ID: I've forwarded 7 junk mails so far today, starting at about 7:15AM CDT using my regular submit.xxxxx@spam.spamcop.net address, but none have been processed. What's up? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Apr 23 14:02:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Thu Apr 23 14:05:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Emailed reports not being processed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message news:Xns9BF67AE1B95ABVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... > I've forwarded 7 junk mails so far today, starting at about 7:15AM CDT > using my regular submit.xxxxx@spam.spamcop.net address, but none have > been processed. > > What's up? > > -- > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com Are you saying you you went to the reporting page and there is no "Report Now" link (outgoing spam probably blocked by your ISP) or that you have not received the reply saying they are ready to process but the "Report Now" link is available on your reporting page (replies from spamcop probably being blocked by your ISP)? From bert at iphouse.com Thu Apr 23 14:10:54 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Thu Apr 23 14:15:09 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Emailed reports not being processed? References: Message-ID: In news:gsqaes$j1d$1@news.spamcop.net "Steven Underwood" wrote: > > "Bert Hyman" wrote in message > news:Xns9BF67AE1B95ABVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >> I've forwarded 7 junk mails so far today, starting at about 7:15AM >> CDT using my regular submit.xxxxx@spam.spamcop.net address, but none >> have been processed. >> >> What's up? > > Are you saying you you went to the reporting page and there is no > "Report Now" link Yes. > (outgoing spam probably blocked by your ISP) I asked; they say they didn't, and that they don't. Up 'til today, everything always went through. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Apr 23 18:53:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Thu Apr 23 18:55:09 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Emailed reports not being processed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Bert Hyman" wrote in message news:Xns9BF68617B29CAVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... > In news:gsqaes$j1d$1@news.spamcop.net "Steven Underwood" > wrote: > >> >> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message >> news:Xns9BF67AE1B95ABVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >>> I've forwarded 7 junk mails so far today, starting at about 7:15AM >>> CDT using my regular submit.xxxxx@spam.spamcop.net address, but none >>> have been processed. >>> >>> What's up? > >> >> Are you saying you you went to the reporting page and there is no >> "Report Now" link > > Yes. > >> (outgoing spam probably blocked by your ISP) > > I asked; they say they didn't, and that they don't. > In the forums, we have had many instances where the first (sometimes 2 or 3) contacts do not know that the back end made a change and when they got deep enough into support, they found that blocking of outgoing messages was going on. Some of the blocking seen in those threads may have been based on the spamcop.net domain (we son;'t want spamcop reports against our server so we will block all messages going there) being sent to while other blocking has been based on the attached spam messages, Try forwarding to spamcop and another service (yahoo, for instance) and see if the messages reach the alternative. Forwarding to the same address you are sending from may no prove anything because it may be sent back to your inbox before the processing that is blocking it. It has been confirmed many times on the spamcop side that there is no blocking of incoming messages to the reporting service. There are 2 FAQ entries dealing with this issue: http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2782 E-Mail spam submittals blocked by your ISP? http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1848 Emailed spam Submissions Disappearing? No Confirmation e-mails? > Up 'til today, everything always went through. > > -- > Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From bert at iphouse.com Thu Apr 23 19:13:48 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Thu Apr 23 19:15:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Emailed reports not being processed? References: Message-ID: In news:gsqrgc$8k3$1@news.spamcop.net "Steven Underwood" wrote: > > "Bert Hyman" wrote in message > news:Xns9BF68617B29CAVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >> In news:gsqaes$j1d$1@news.spamcop.net "Steven Underwood" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> "Bert Hyman" wrote in message >>> news:Xns9BF67AE1B95ABVeebleFetzer@216.154.195.61... >>>> I've forwarded 7 junk mails so far today, starting at about 7:15AM >>>> CDT using my regular submit.xxxxx@spam.spamcop.net address, but >>>> none have been processed. >>>> >>>> What's up? >> >>> >>> Are you saying you you went to the reporting page and there is no >>> "Report Now" link >> >> Yes. >> >>> (outgoing spam probably blocked by your ISP) >> >> I asked; they say they didn't, and that they don't. >> > > In the forums, we have had many instances where the first (sometimes 2 > or 3) contacts do not know that the back end made a change and when > they got deep enough into support, they found that blocking of > outgoing messages was going on. The place isn't that big; there's pretty much just one level. One of the nice things about using a "boutiqe ISP." > Some of the blocking seen in those threads may have been based on the > spamcop.net domain (we son;'t want spamcop reports against our server > so we will block all messages going there) being sent to while other > blocking has been based on the attached spam messages, Try forwarding > to spamcop and another service (yahoo, for instance) and see if the > messages reach the alternative. What I found was that forwarding the messages individually worked, while sending them all at once (as attachments, from Thunderbird) didn't. As I said, this has always worked before. Well, I'll keep trying the old way first, and if it continues to fail, at least I know a workaround. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From mrmaxx at spamcop.net Fri Apr 24 08:47:18 2009 From: mrmaxx at spamcop.net (John Aldrich) Date: Fri Apr 24 08:50:07 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 08:06:51 -0400, Ellen wrote: > As a result of a fairly lengthy and intense investigation of Outlook > 2003 and 2007: Outlook does *not* include full and accurate headers when > you forward spams as attachments. It reorders the Received headers, > which makes them untrustworthy, as well as deleting/not forwarding other > headers including X-headers, which is of less importance but which may > loose some valuable information needed by ISPs/hosting companies. > > The result of the 'scrambled" or reordered Received headers means that > SpamCop does not reliably know where the injection point of the spam is. > > Outlook is reordering the headers, not SpamCop. > > Thusly, if you are running Outlook you *may not* forward your spams as > an attachment for processing. You can copy/paste or look into running > mailwasher or some other 3rd party add-in/add-on but you must stop > forwarding as an attachment. > > I want to thank the SC users who cheerfully gave of their time to help > in tracking this down. > > Ellen, I am NOT trying to pick nits, however, I have a question and an observation followed by a question: First the question -- If we install one of the apps that are linked to on the SpamCop reporting website, can we forward as attachment? Second, the observation -- the website says FOUR add-on products, but only lists three. Is there a fourth product or was someone referring to SpamDeputy, which is defunct??? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 24 10:13:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Fri Apr 24 10:35:09 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: ******* Outlook users please read ******** In-Reply-To: References: <49D9F05B.3060502@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <49F1C924.1060102@spamcop.net> John Aldrich wrote: > Ellen, I am NOT trying to pick nits, however, I have a question and an > observation followed by a question: > First the question -- If we install one of the apps that are linked to on > the SpamCop reporting website, can we forward as attachment? As far as we know those products produce unscrambled headers. I would ask that if you install one of the products that you forward a spam to SC, do not report the spam, but look at the headers and compare them to the Outlook displayed headers and make sure they look OK. If you do that a couple of times and it looks OK then go ahead and report. If it does not look OK write to us at deputies at admin.spamcop.net and provide your SC email address, what product you installed, your Outlook release # and any other salient details. > Second, the observation -- the website says FOUR add-on products, but only > lists three. Is there a fourth product or was someone referring to > SpamDeputy, which is defunct??? OH -- oops, guess we can't count :-) Ellen From lglasser at spamcop.net Sat Apr 25 10:22:43 2009 From: lglasser at spamcop.net (Lawrence Glasser) Date: Sat Apr 25 10:25:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Cannot log into IMAP mailserver... Message-ID: on http://mailsc.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog/. Down, again? From lglasser at spamcop.net Sat Apr 25 10:35:22 2009 From: lglasser at spamcop.net (Lawrence Glasser) Date: Sat Apr 25 10:40:08 2009 Subject: [Schelp] Re: Cannot log into IMAP mailserver... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lawrence Glasser wrote: > on http://mailsc.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog/. > > Down, again? Just found the answer... "[10:31 EDT] Our datacenter suffered another major power failure this morning. We're bringing everything back online as quickly as we can."