From loyal at spamcop.user Tue Sep 1 02:18:12 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Tue Sep 1 02:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> This is another thing I would like to point out... I would not mix >>> backup solutions, just like I would not mix AntiVirus solutions.. >>> >> >> Now there we have an honest disagreement. Some backup apps can't copy >> some really, really crucial files, like your user profile (you get a >> "file is in use, cannot copy" error, and some can. I'm considering >> making an ISO image of my entire C drive, but I'm not familiar enough >> with ISO files to know how I would use it to recover a couple >> missing/corrupted files instead of restoring the entire image, if >> that's even possible with an ISO file (I get the feeling it's not). >> > > The product I use, ACRONIS Tue Image, snaps an entire image. > You can restore image or individual files! I agree with both of you! And disagree on one point. Mixing backup solutions shouldn't be a problem. I also use Acronis' True Image, to get my whole drive. I also use 2BrightSparks SyncBack to get my most active, crucial files/directories on a much more frequent basis. Acronis is nice, because the CD boots into a Linux distro and it nabs everything, as there are no OS conflicts. I'm not a fan of making OS backups from within the OS, because those open file conflicts can occur. There is also a potential restore issue - as you might need the original OS or the equivalent of a boot disk to get your system back, and it may have to write on itself in some ways if it's not done well. I wouldn't worry about ISO files. They aren't compressed, as far as I know. So you'd need 1:1 original to backup size ratio. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 1 10:42:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Sep 1 10:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] mac help needed Message-ID: so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I think it's connected but I can't get online :-( I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access point before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am back home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... but I am such a mac ignoramous who knows. Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? Ellen From joegill at removethis Tue Sep 1 11:16:15 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h7ieb0$416$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>>> This is another thing I would like to point out... I would not mix >>>> backup solutions, just like I would not mix AntiVirus solutions.. >>>> >>> >>> Now there we have an honest disagreement. Some backup apps can't copy >>> some really, really crucial files, like your user profile (you get a >>> "file is in use, cannot copy" error, and some can. I'm considering >>> making an ISO image of my entire C drive, but I'm not familiar enough >>> with ISO files to know how I would use it to recover a couple >>> missing/corrupted files instead of restoring the entire image, if that's >>> even possible with an ISO file (I get the feeling it's not). >>> >> >> The product I use, ACRONIS Tue Image, snaps an entire image. >> You can restore image or individual files! > > I agree with both of you! And disagree on one point. > > Mixing backup solutions shouldn't be a problem. My concern is that one product will interfer with the operation / functionality of the other, because each is looking at data at a fairly low level. > I also use Acronis' True Image, to get my whole drive. I also use > 2BrightSparks SyncBack to get my most active, crucial files/directories on > a much more frequent basis. Acronis is nice, because the CD boots into a > Linux distro and it nabs everything, as there are no OS conflicts. Curious... I thoguth that (at least on VISTA) TrueImage Home 10, did a 'snapshot' and go everything! I take a full backup at start of month, and incrementals for the rest of the month! No errors are reported by Acronis, and in addtion, I do the 'verify' task and it is always clean! Am I 'flying blind' assuming that I can restore an exact image at point in time? > > I'm not a fan of making OS backups from within the OS, because those open > file conflicts can occur. There is also a potential restore issue - as > you might need the original OS or the equivalent of a boot disk to get > your system back, and it may have to write on itself in some ways if it's > not done well. Please clarify! I was under the assumption that the recent editions of disk image products (Norton, Acronis, Casper, etc) were capable of capturing a complete 'image' so that you can re-image when needed and be EXACTLY back to a particular point in time! > > I wouldn't worry about ISO files. They aren't compressed, as far as I > know. So you'd need 1:1 original to backup size ratio. > > > > AndrewB From joegill at removethis Tue Sep 1 11:20:19 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:h7jbt4$lmk$1@news.spamcop.net... > so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I > think it's connected but I can't get online :-( > > I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access point > before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am back > home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... but I am > such a mac ignoramous who knows. > > Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to > figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? > > > Ellen Not being a 'mac' specialist, but one who has helped people with connectivity issues, be it MAC or PC, I would offer the following: A) My first step is to shutdown the device (PC or MAC) B) Reboot router. C) Wait until router is up and available D) Power up device and try to connect! If that fails then I would step through the definition on the MAC. Signed, A PC bigot, but occaisional MAC tech From joegill at removethis Tue Sep 1 11:53:55 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Sep 1 11:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Rules manager for Outlook 2007? Message-ID: Does anyone know of a GOOD 'rules manager' for Outlook 2007. I am a big user of rules for filing, notifying, forwarding, etc. The supplied 'rules manager' is WEAK! Anyone know of a better rules manager? Some of the key functions I am looking for are: - Rules consolidation - Identification of DEAD rules - Identification of overlapping rules! TIA From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 1 12:02:27 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Sep 1 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > This is the kind of crazy email message store(s) that Vista has created > on my PC......I've referred to it before, the "application data > directory x 10" issue, prior to attempting to restore my recovered email > files I searched my entire HD for the filename > "WindowsMail.MSMessageStore" and this is what the search spit > out.....I'd love for someone else with Vista to do the same search and > see if they find similar results! (and an older WIN OS check would be > valuable to see also, hint hint) [...] > C:\Documents and Settings\my username\AppData\Local\Application > Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application > Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application > Data\Microsoft\Windows Mail [...snip...] On my Vista system: "c:\Documents and Settings" is a "junction" (Microsoft's term for what the *nix world calls a "symlink") to "c:\Users". "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local\Application Data" is a symlink to "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local". In other words, it's a recursive reference. (A directory is a symlink to its parent.) So, within "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local", the "Application Data" can recurse indefinitely. "Bug"? "Feature"? Your call. ===== C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local>dir /al Volume in drive C has no label. Volume Serial Number is xxxx-xxxx Directory of C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local 01/13/2008 10:40 PM Application Data [C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local] 01/13/2008 10:40 PM History [C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History] 01/13/2008 10:40 PM Temporary Internet Files [C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files] 0 File(s) 0 bytes 3 Dir(s) 83,396,403,200 bytes free C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local>cd "Application Data" C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Application Data>cd "Application Data" C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Application Data\Application Data>cd "Application Data" C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data>cd "Application Data" C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data>cd "Application Data" C:\Users\Kenneth\AppData\Local\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data\Application Data> ===== -- Kenneth Brody From DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net Tue Sep 1 12:30:14 2009 From: DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net (David H. Lipman) Date: Tue Sep 1 12:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: TANYA LOUISE BATES IS A CHILD ABUSERNBP Unregistered. References: <1390284.nPR58v67Zj@dev.null.davjam.org> <8enl95d7n36794b9uaihr4rudohl0acnm6@4ax.com> Message-ID: From: "Just zis Guy, you know?" | On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:17:31 -0400, "David H. Lipman" | wrote: >>btinternet.com ==> bt-abuse@cc.yahoo-inc.com >>Mesages sent! | Don't hold your breath, though. They seem very reluctant to act | against those who pay them money. | Guy No new messages. I'd say it was taken care of :-) -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp From me at privacy.net Tue Sep 1 13:56:57 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Sep 1 14:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:h7jbt4$lmk$1@news.spamcop.net... : so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I : think it's connected but I can't get online :-( : : I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access : point before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am : back home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... : but I am such a mac ignoramous who knows. : : Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to : figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? : Have you recently preformed an update on the OS and other Apple supplied software? If the up date was ~ a month or so back that may be part of your problem. If in the last week then there are other problems. From joegill at removethis Tue Sep 1 14:19:57 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Sep 1 14:25:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also, as an 'aside' on WinMail.... the product is buggy and has been 'functionally stabilized".. that is no more features / fuctions to be added and look for it to go off support in years to come! The replacement product is OUTLOOK (if you have have Ofice) or Windows Live Mail From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 2 05:53:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 2 05:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Rules manager for Outlook 2007? References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > Does anyone know of a GOOD 'rules manager' for Outlook 2007. > I am a big user of rules for filing, notifying, forwarding, etc. > > The supplied 'rules manager' is WEAK! > > Anyone know of a better rules manager? > > Some of the key functions I am looking for are: > - Rules consolidation > - Identification of DEAD rules > - Identification of overlapping rules! An excellent resource for all things OL (and Exchange) is slipstick, previously by Sue Mosher, now handled by Diane Poremsky and her company. http://www.slipstick.com/rules/index.htm Rules Wizard and Assistants -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Sep 2 17:55:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Sep 2 17:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h7jd7s$mi5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Don't "put it to sleep", but rather let the system itself do power > management! Monitor goes blank in 30 minutes, HD stops at 1 hr (of continuous idle for each). Not much more to sleep than that, is there? >> > > Disk imaging is safe and complete.. No thinking involved.. No tweaking etc > Everything comes back E X A C T L Y the way it was.... > Including the error you made a day or two before that suddenly rears it's ugly head? Unless you make multiple images, you'd be restoring the same impaired system! > > I would keep the USB drive om the safe! But I do a sync backup of vital files every night.... From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 2 19:59:15 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 2 20:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I > think it's connected but I can't get online :-( Sometimes there's a problem with how you are getting your nameservice. You should find out somehow if you have a wifi network IP, usually NAT, and if you are getting nameservice. But I don't know how to mac that. > I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access > point before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am > back home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... > but I am such a mac ignoramous who knows. > > Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to > figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? I know nothing about network maciness but I need to learn somehow and all that reminds me of a story.... Over here in southern CA socal as some call it, I have my little network and subnetwork and subsubnetwork wired and wireless populated by a number of cheap newer and old computers running mostly linux but some XP and one Vista. No macs. I use an old W98 one most of the time. There are 2 computers on the network driving W98 and 4 other computers which are running linux &/or XP, 2 of which were bought for less than $200 and running Linspire when purchased. I'm always shopping for good deals at Fry's. When I go to TX particularly CC Corpus Christi and visit friends, I borrow their W98 box which is even older than my oldest. Weatherwise, today it is hotter in San Diego than it is in CC, BTW, whine whine. Recently Fry's had a sale on a computer that was sorta like a 'net top' a desktop rigged kinda like a netbook running XP and selling for $200, Atom cpu, 1G ram, real hdd, DVD/burner, really cute tiny tiny little case. What a deal -- but I couldn't justify buying it for myself because I would have to retire something from the network, as there would be no good place to put it otherwise. So I decided to buy it to give my friends/family in CC to replace their old winbox - as a thank you for putting me up when I visit and loaning me their computer while I'm there. I bought it and was wise enough to call before making the visit trip and ask the lady of the house who is actually the main computer person there if I should bring it on the airplane to see if she like it and wanted it and to help her transfer stuff to it while I was visiting, or if they had already replaced the old box. She said that she hadn't replaced it (yet) but she was on the verge/ very edge/ of buying an iMac, considering ordering it any day now. Between the two of us, we decided that I should return the Atom net top so as not to confuse her about the expensive Mac purchase which was out of character for her and conflicting her so much. While I was there I used the old W98 and we further discussed the conflicts she was having about the ordering the beautiful sleek but costly iMac. After I returned, I sent her a review article comparing the new Mac OS X and Win7, splitting the points between the two new OSes, but having a lot of nice things to say about Snow Leopard. She emailed me today that she had ordered the Mac. If I don't learn some maciness before the next time I visit, I'm going to be behind the curve about helping anyone there with anything. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Wed Sep 2 20:26:12 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Sep 2 20:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h7mpjq$r0p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:h7jd7s$mi5$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> Don't "put it to sleep", but rather let the system itself do power >> management! > > Monitor goes blank in 30 minutes, HD stops at 1 hr (of continuous idle for > each). Not much more to sleep than that, is there? > Some motherboards have a 'low power mode' where the PC will go into that mode, but can quickly come out of it. In my laptop's situration, the PC appears to be dead'... but then comes back to life >>> >> >> Disk imaging is safe and complete.. No thinking involved.. No tweaking >> etc >> Everything comes back E X A C T L Y the way it was.... >> > > Including the error you made a day or two before that suddenly rears it's > ugly head? Unless you make multiple images, you'd be restoring the same > impaired system! > Image at beginning of month... Incrementals weekly Incrementals before any software upgrade/change >> >> I would keep the USB drive om the safe! > > But I do a sync backup of vital files every night.... From no at spam.invalid Thu Sep 3 16:39:38 2009 From: no at spam.invalid (Michael Wise) Date: Thu Sep 3 16:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed References: Message-ID: In article , "Joe Gill" wrote: > "Ellen" wrote in message > news:h7jbt4$lmk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I > > think it's connected but I can't get online :-( > > > > I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access point > > before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am back > > home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... but I am > > such a mac ignoramous who knows. > > > > Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to > > figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? > > > > > > Ellen > > Not being a 'mac' specialist, but one who has helped people with > connectivity issues, be it MAC or PC, I would offer the following: > > A) My first step is to shutdown the device (PC or MAC) > B) Reboot router. > C) Wait until router is up and available > D) Power up device and try to connect! > > If that fails then I would step through the definition on the MAC. > > Signed, > A PC bigot, but occaisional MAC tech Mac: It's an abbreviation...not an acronym. MAC is a Media Access Controller. Mac is a Maintosh. --Mike From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 22:39:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h7jgj3$onv$1@news.spamcop.net... > On my Vista system: > > "c:\Documents and Settings" is a "junction" (Microsoft's term for what the > *nix world calls a "symlink") to "c:\Users". > > "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local\Application Data" is a symlink to > "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local". In other words, it's a recursive > reference. (A directory is a symlink to its parent.) So, within > "c:\Users\[myname]\AppData\Local", the "Application Data" can recurse > indefinitely. > > "Bug"? "Feature"? Your call. > Well, it's certainly a "bug" for some apps that can't copy directory/filenames that long! I've run into that in the past with more than one app. It doesn't make any sense to me at all why M$ organized the file system that way, it's insane..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 22:47:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h7jokt$u93$1@news.spamcop.net... > Also, as an 'aside' on WinMail.... the product is buggy and has been > 'functionally stabilized".. that is no more features / fuctions to be > added and look for it to go off support in years to come! > The replacement product is OUTLOOK (if you have have Ofice) > or Windows Live Mail I installed Live Mail, imported all my recovered email backups, which removed all of those "contents not found" messages, then copied the Live Mail storage folders back into the individual folders in WinMail (had to do a complete wipe of WinMail and recreate folders/accounts). I'm in the process of eliminating the dupes in each folder, kinda repetitive grunt work, but none of my "find duplicate files" apps can read the WinMail email files properly to give a good and proper delete list, so I have to do it by hand. Why not stick with Live Mail, you may ask? For one, I still had the dupe email problem. For two, I couldn't stand the GUI, it was very similar to the default Vista display colors and themes, which I can't stand, and it couldn't/didn't have the ability to add the same commands/menus to the toolbar that WinMail does very easily. I will AVOID EVER using Outlook again if at all possible -- once you run into the "hidden" 2 GB PST file limit size and lose everything you'd feel the same way (thankfully I backed up my PST file to my company's server every night so after figuring out what had happened restoring my email was pretty easy). But putting every single email into one gigantic file is downright stupid. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 3 22:48:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 3 22:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Rules manager for Outlook 2007? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h7jg33$obs$1@news.spamcop.net... > Does anyone know of a GOOD 'rules manager' for Outlook 2007. > I am a big user of rules for filing, notifying, forwarding, etc. > > The supplied 'rules manager' is WEAK! Another reason to despise Outlook....... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 4 10:43:52 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Fri Sep 4 10:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Ellen" wrote in message > news:h7jbt4$lmk$1@news.spamcop.net... > : so I have this mac which has decided to not connect to my wifi -- well I > : think it's connected but I can't get online :-( > : > : I used to be able to get online with it connected to my wifi access > : point before I spent a month in FL where it connected via cat5. Now I am > : back home and it appears that the network app says it is connected ... > : but I am such a mac ignoramous who knows. > : > : Anyone want to hold my hand and walk me down the path of mac-iness to > : figure out what's wrong and how to beat it into submission? > : > > Have you recently preformed an update on the OS and other Apple supplied > software? > > If the up date was ~ a month or so back that may be part of your problem. > If in the last week then there are other problems. > > no - no updates to the system in at least a year I did the shutdown/reboot/reboot router routine half a dozen times and finally just threw up my hands and went and bought a real long cat5 cable and plugged it in. That's working OK. It's annoying that the machine "forgot" how to use wifi but as this machine is out of my life at the end of Sept I will just try not to trip over the cat5 that is now strung thru the middle of half the rooms in the house :-) From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 4 12:36:03 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 4 12:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > I did the shutdown/reboot/reboot router routine half a dozen times I can't find the saying that corresponds to something like "What do you call it when you do the same thing that didn't work before over and over again." When I find myself doing that, I start talking to myself and saying, "How many times are you planning on doing this before you figure out some other strategy?" > and > finally just threw up my hands and went and bought a real long cat5 > cable and plugged it in. That's what *I* like, a solution finder, even if it is a little funky. > this machine is out of my life > at the end of Sept I will just try not to trip over the cat5 that is now > strung thru the middle of half the rooms in the house -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 4 16:23:40 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 4 16:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Rules manager for Outlook 2007? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h7pv6a$9e2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:h7jg33$obs$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Does anyone know of a GOOD 'rules manager' for Outlook 2007. >> I am a big user of rules for filing, notifying, forwarding, etc. >> >> The supplied 'rules manager' is WEAK! > > Another reason to despise Outlook....... No product can be perfect in all areas..... From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 4 16:36:37 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 4 16:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:h7pv4k$9dd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:h7jokt$u93$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Also, as an 'aside' on WinMail.... the product is buggy and has been >> 'functionally stabilized".. that is no more features / fuctions to be >> added and look for it to go off support in years to come! >> The replacement product is OUTLOOK (if you have have Ofice) >> or Windows Live Mail > > I installed Live Mail, imported all my recovered email backups, which > removed all of those "contents not found" messages, GOOD! > then copied the Live Mail storage folders back into the individual folders > in WinMail (had to do a complete wipe of WinMail and recreate > folders/accounts). I'm in the process of eliminating the dupes in each > folder, kinda repetitive grunt work, but none of my "find duplicate files" > apps can read the WinMail email files properly to give a good and proper > delete list, so I have to do it by hand. WHY?? WHY?? WHY?? As I had said in an earlier post in thread.... "..has been 'functionally stablilized'.... In other words... MOVE ON..... If you need more clarification, go to the Microsoft OUTLOOK and/or WinMail usenet groups! If you 'had to do it by hand'... why not just clean up Live Mail? > > Why not stick with Live Mail, you may ask? For one, I still had the dupe > email problem. For two, I couldn't stand the GUI, it was very similar to > the default Vista display colors and themes, which I can't stand, and it > couldn't/didn't have the ability to add the same commands/menus to the > toolbar that WinMail does very easily. 1) Colors / GUI - probably customizable! 2) My attitude anymore is ADAPT to the tool! > > I will AVOID EVER using Outlook again if at all possible -- once you run > into the "hidden" 2 GB PST file limit size and lose everything you'd feel > the same way (thankfully I backed up my PST file to my company's server > every night so after figuring out what had happened restoring my email was > pretty easy). But putting every single email into one gigantic file is > downright stupid. It depends on your attitude...... The PST concept in my book is GREAT... Only 1 file to backup / 1 file to compress As for the 2G limit... it is possible GONE "In Outlook 2003 .pst files are in the UNICODE format by default, and the folder size has a limit that is more than 20 GB." UNICODE format is when you tell Outlook the format when you creat the PST. If you create it to be Outlook 97-2002 compatible, then you have the 2G limit, otherwise you have a much higher limit! > From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 4 17:01:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Sep 4 17:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Rules manager for Outlook 2007? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h7rt5v$jji$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message >> >> Another reason to despise Outlook....... > > No product can be perfect in all areas..... True. I'm just on an anti-MS rampage these days ;-) Finally managed to get my WinMail settings and folders back to where they were before my "spam filter update" problem. After trying multiple options and failing at each one, I finally installed Windows Live Mail, imported my combined gigantic email backup folders (actually I didn't import, I copy/pasted the files directly after creating the proper folders in LiveMail). That got rid of most of the "message content cannot be found" problem emails. Then wiped out my existing WinMail settings and store folder directory, recreated my individual folders, closed WinMail, copy/pasted the files from the folders in the LiveMail directories into the new WinMail directories, then restarted WinMail. Had to root thru some 1000 or so dupe files and delete them, but it only took me a total of about 4 hours. In fact I just finished doing it -- time to backup my new bright shiny clean WinMail message store directory! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 4 17:08:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Sep 4 17:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The craziness of Vista WinMail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h7rtpk$k4f$1@news.spamcop.net... I'm in the process of eliminating the dupes in each >> folder, kinda repetitive grunt work, but none of my "find duplicate >> files" apps can read the WinMail email files properly to give a good and >> proper delete list, so I have to do it by hand. > > WHY?? WHY?? WHY?? Because I'm anal about having junk cluttering up my PC, haven't you figured that out by now? ;-) >> Why not stick with Live Mail, you may ask? For one, I still had the dupe >> email problem. For two, I couldn't stand the GUI, it was very similar to >> the default Vista display colors and themes, which I can't stand, and it >> couldn't/didn't have the ability to add the same commands/menus to the >> toolbar that WinMail does very easily. > > 1) Colors / GUI - probably customizable! I tried, trust me. Couldn't be done to my satisfaction. > > 2) My attitude anymore is ADAPT to the tool! Learning how to use it is one thing, being able to customize it to make your life easier and work faster is another. I shouldn't have to change what I've been doing ever since Windows came out just because M$ decided to take away so many options to it's users. > As for the 2G limit... it is possible GONE > "In Outlook 2003 .pst files are in the UNICODE format by default, and the > folder size has a limit that is more than 20 GB." When my disaster happened we were still using Office 2000......the 2 GB limit was fixed, no changing it. From loyal at spamcop.user Fri Sep 4 23:57:29 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Sep 5 00:00:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > no - no updates to the system in at least a year Wow. My Macbook Pro gets updates at least once a month (or so) from Apple. And many of them require reboots. > I did the shutdown/reboot/reboot router routine half a dozen times and > finally just threw up my hands and went and bought a real long cat5 > cable and plugged it in. That's working OK. It's annoying that the > machine "forgot" how to use wifi but as this machine is out of my life > at the end of Sept I will just try not to trip over the cat5 that is now > strung thru the middle of half the rooms in the house :-) A couple of things come to mind... Does the router have a SSID that is unique? If not, rename it. There might be a collision with a nearby router with the same SSID. With the new name, find it on your Mac, and try reconnecting. Check to ensure the router has wifi enabled in it's admin menu. I assume the lights are lit. Does one light ever pulse quickly? Check your router to ensure that if it only accepts connections from a list of MAC ethernet addresses, that your Mac's MAC is on such a list. WPA keys? Reset them on both the router and your machine. Use a long long long phrase, and something not in the dictionary. A good generator can be found at https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm I'm assuming you have a good admin password for the router too. Good luck! AndrewB From loyal at spamcop.user Sat Sep 5 00:18:37 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Sep 5 00:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > >> Mixing backup solutions shouldn't be a problem. > > My concern is that one product will interfer with the operation / > functionality of the other, because each is looking at data at a fairly > low level. Mmm, probably not. They shouldn't leave anything on the hard drive in an ideal situation. When doing an incremental or backup, they will build an index with a hash to compare to later incrementals to see if the file has changed. Ideally. As long as they don't run at the same time as well. What type of interference did you imagine? >> I also use Acronis' True Image, to get my whole drive. I also use >> 2BrightSparks SyncBack to get my most active, crucial >> files/directories on a much more frequent basis. Acronis is nice, >> because the CD boots into a Linux distro and it nabs everything, as >> there are no OS conflicts. > > Curious... I thoguth that (at least on VISTA) TrueImage Home 10, did a > 'snapshot' and go everything! > I take a full backup at start of month, and incrementals for the rest of > the month! No errors are reported by Acronis, and in addtion, I do the > 'verify' task and it is always clean! Am I 'flying blind' assuming that > I can restore an exact image at point in time? Maybe. Might be worth a try if you have a spare hard drive and a weekend to experiment. I take my backups outside the operating system to ensure there is no operating system interference if the application is running in the host operating system. With the boot disk, the hard disk is effectively in a nice suspension state as it gets backed up. I don't have to worry about late changes or anything else in a long backup. The backups are probably faster without the operating system overhead. >> I'm not a fan of making OS backups from within the OS, because those >> open file conflicts can occur. There is also a potential restore >> issue - as you might need the original OS or the equivalent of a boot >> disk to get your system back, and it may have to write on itself in >> some ways if it's not done well. > > Please clarify! I was under the assumption that the recent editions of > disk image products (Norton, Acronis, Casper, etc) were capable of > capturing a complete 'image' so that you can re-image when needed and be > EXACTLY back to a particular point in time! I'm not an expert, just a weekend athlete. I can't speak for all the products. But it's not something I'm willing to risk. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 07:35:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Sep 5 08:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Ellen wrote: > I can't find the saying that corresponds to something like "What do you > call it when you do the same thing that didn't work before over and over > again." yahbut sometimes windows needs several reboots to get it's act together so I figured oh well why not :-) > > That's what *I* like, a solution finder, even if it is a little funky. > Well I had major reasons why I *had* to get the stupid thing working ASAP regardless of how annoying the solution -- I mean it really doesn't add to the decorating such as it is to have 50' of cat cable blobbed in the middle of the family room floor. But it is weird -- the setup before I took the machine to FL was the same as all my other machines -- wifi with manually assigned IP addresses (and DNS server addresses) no DHCP. In FL the setup is no wifi /cat5 connected (no router down there, one machine online at a time) and that worked fine with no changes needed to be made by me. Came home to wifi and even poked thru the setup/property pages to set up the manual IP address again etc and the mac did see the wifi and appeared to be connected but wasn't ... and they say windows is obscure :-) OTOH exciting news, my daughter got a mac so now finally I am no longer tech support! Ellen From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 07:48:16 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Sep 5 08:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AndrewB wrote: > Ellen wrote: > >> no - no updates to the system in at least a year > > Wow. My Macbook Pro gets updates at least once a month (or so) from > Apple. And many of them require reboots. > > yeah well it asks to update but since it is a company provided machine and the last time I let it update the whole machine foosed itself into a hunk of useless iron (plastic?) and had to be sent back to IT to be reimaged I stopped updating it. I do appreciate your suggestions however -- if this was a machine that had a life expectancy of being on my lan for more than another 3 weeks I would continue to screw around with this -- I was just hoping to get some quick and dirty "fix" but the cat5 cable got it online so I will live with the annoyance of that for another 3 wks :-) Ellen From me at privacy.net Sat Sep 5 19:42:16 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:h7tjqk$oj9$2@news.spamcop.net... : AndrewB wrote: : > Ellen wrote: : > : >> no - no updates to the system in at least a year : > : > Wow. My Macbook Pro gets updates at least once a month (or so) from : > Apple. And many of them require reboots. : > : > : : yeah well it asks to update but since it is a company provided machine : and the last time I let it update the whole machine foosed itself into a : hunk of useless iron (plastic?) and had to be sent back to IT to be : reimaged I stopped updating it. : : I do appreciate your suggestions however -- if this was a machine that : had a life expectancy of being on my lan for more than another 3 weeks I : would continue to screw around with this -- I was just hoping to get : some quick and dirty "fix" but the cat5 cable got it online so I will : live with the annoyance of that for another 3 wks :-) : : : Ellen As to up dates: my wife's Mac has a wake up message to the effect DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS ... want to guess who the main "others" might be? Curious were do Macs go when the die in your organization? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 5 22:51:23 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Sep 5 22:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: It's NOT alive no more..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h7soqs$7j9$1@news.spamcop.net... > Joe Gill wrote: >> >>> Mixing backup solutions shouldn't be a problem. >> >> My concern is that one product will interfer with the operation / >> functionality of the other, because each is looking at data at a fairly >> low level. > > > Mmm, probably not. They shouldn't leave anything on the hard drive in an > ideal situation. When doing an incremental or backup, they will build an > index with a hash to compare to later incrementals to see if the file has > changed. Ideally. Well, I ended up ditching the two different backup apps (Replicator and SyncBack) and using GFI 2009 Home Addition -- it can do (almost) full disk backups and also sync folders/files. And you are correct, once the database is established the backups are pretty damn fast since not much changes from day to day. > >>> I'm not a fan of making OS backups from within the OS, because those >>> open file conflicts can occur. There is also a potential restore >>> issue - as you might need the original OS or the equivalent of a boot >>> disk to get your system back, and it may have to write on itself in some >>> ways if it's not done well. If I weren't so lazy I'd to occasional backups like that -- currently, I haven't found any app that can copy _everything_ while Windows is running -- some system files related to my user account are always open and can't be copied (like NT.dat). I've looked at the list of "failure to copy" report several times, and I don't think what's missing is anything that would cause my backup restore function to fail (completely), but of course I'll (hopefully) never know..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Sep 6 10:21:27 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Sep 6 10:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Acrobat 5.0, Distiller missing from printers after XPSP3 upgrade References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C5D43CC4DA52TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > > There are free pdf writers out there. I tried two of them and got the same error, can't install printer. I found an article online that basically said the copying of one file into the Windows/System32 directory will fix things, and it did. Now all three of my pdf printers work, including my Ancient Acrobat 5.0. I heart Microsoft and their screw-everything-up updates..... http://www.tech-archive.net/Archive/WinXP/microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax/2007-08/msg00126.html 1. Path environmental variable must point to the sytem32 and wbem directories: PATH=c:\windows;c:\windows\system32;c:\windows\system32\wbem [I did not have "PATH" in my environmental variables] 2. The file framedyn.dll must reside in the system32 directory [It was in the wbem directory]. If it doesn't, copy it there. [I did.] It should be somewhere in the Windows directory. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 7 22:16:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Sep 7 22:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: mac help needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Curious were do Macs go when the die in your organization? > > Oh they just go back to IT who reimages them and foists them off on others :-) Ellen From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 11:50:43 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Sep 11 11:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Vista and XP on the same network Message-ID: We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except for my laptop, which came with Vista. From my Vista laptop, I can access the network shares of all the other computers, except for one. That one, regardless of the username/password I give when trying to share, always gives an error 86 -- "the specified network password is not correct". I have tried with and without specifying the computer name in the username (ie: "username" and "system\username"). Other XP boxes can use those shares without problem, and that XP box can access the Vista shares without problem as well. All computers belong to the same workgroup. Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails to be able to access the network shares? -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 12:01:16 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Fri Sep 11 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... > We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except for > my laptop, which came with Vista. > > From my Vista laptop, I can access the network shares of all the other > computers, except for one. That one, regardless of the username/password > I give when trying to share, always gives an error 86 -- "the specified > network password is not correct". I have tried with and without > specifying the computer name in the username (ie: "username" and > "system\username"). Other XP boxes can use those shares without problem, > and that XP box can access the Vista shares without problem as well. > > All computers belong to the same workgroup. > > Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails > to be able to access the network shares? > > -- > Kenneth Brody I've had mystery failures of that nature since vista came out. What usually happens is you frig around a long time, and one day it works, for no particularly good reason. Then you learn to tiptoe and not breath hard in the same room with that computer. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 14:53:51 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Fri Sep 11 14:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h8ds8f$nh9$1@news.spamcop.net > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... >> We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except >> for my laptop, which came with Vista. >> >> From my Vista laptop, I can access the network shares of all the >> other computers, except for one. That one, regardless of the >> username/password I give when trying to share, always gives an error >> 86 -- "the specified network password is not correct". I have tried >> with and without specifying the computer name in the username (ie: >> "username" and "system\username"). Other XP boxes can use those >> shares without problem, and that XP box can access the Vista shares >> without problem as well. All computers belong to the same workgroup. >> >> Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP >> fails to be able to access the network shares? >> >> -- >> Kenneth Brody > > I've had mystery failures of that nature since vista came out. > > What usually happens is you frig around a long time, and one day it > works, for no particularly good reason. > > Then you learn to tiptoe and not breath hard in the same room with > that computer. LOL! That sounds like it just might work! Twayne` From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 16:22:41 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Sep 11 16:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... >> We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except for >> my laptop, which came with Vista. [... snip details ...] >> Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails >> to be able to access the network shares? > > I've had mystery failures of that nature since vista came out. > > What usually happens is you frig around a long time, and one day it works, > for no particularly good reason. In this case, it's never worked in the nearly 2 years I've had this laptop. I've just dealt with it by going to the XP box and copying things to the Vista system from there on the occasional instance I needed a file. But, I now have need to access things from the Vista box directly more often, and the old method won't suffice anymore. > Then you learn to tiptoe and not breath hard in the same room with that > computer. But, I'm the type of person who walks into a room, and things mysteriously start working. (Ask my wife or my co-workers. It's happened countless times over the years. For example, a system wasn't booting, and my co-worker tried numerous things. She called me over, and as I walked through the door, the computer booted on its own. Or, someone has been typing in a command, which should work, but was failing. They call me over to show me, and the command them "magically" worked. I could go on [even more than I already have], but you get the idea.) Maybe Vista's UAC prevents my "aura" from working around it? :-) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 16:57:31 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Sep 11 17:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails > to be able to access the network shares? > Because Ol' Bill and his wunnerful Vista coders decided that you didn't need to have access to that particular portion of your network? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 11 17:10:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Sep 11 17:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h8ebil$12b$1@news.spamcop.net... > But, I'm the type of person who walks into a room, and things mysteriously > start working. (Ask my wife or my co-workers. It's happened countless > times over the years. For example, a system wasn't booting, and my > co-worker tried numerous things. She called me over, and as I walked > through the door, the computer booted on its own. Or, someone has been > typing in a command, which should work, but was failing. They call me > over to show me, and the command them "magically" worked. I could go on > [even more than I already have], but you get the idea.) I, for one, find that completely plausible. I know most everyone reading this will probably laugh, but I am a human "street light killer"....this has happened to me a couple hundreds of times over the years, so it can't be just a coincidence....when driving (this mostly occurs on highways), when I approach one of those big overhead lights like the ones that light up intersections, ramps, overhead road signs, etc, they perplexingly turn off! Normally happens when I get within 500 yds or so of them. I also have extremely good luck getting parking spots right near the front door to stores and restaraunts -- it pissed off one gal I dated years ago so much she ended up cursing me in frustration every time it happened, because she apparently never had much luck with finding great parking spots ;-) >Maybe Vista's UAC prevents my "aura" from working around it? :-) Your natural electrical aura is certainly capable of making small changes in the electro-magnetic field when you enter a room -- back in college I was running an experiment that had very sensitive electro-mag field sensors operating in a bell jar, and just by entering the room I caused the values to change -- I could see the phenoma in black and white on the strip chart output. Other people, nothing...... *shrug*.....the human body is a strange force in nature...... From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 11 20:33:05 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 11 20:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... > We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except for > my laptop, which came with Vista. > > From my Vista laptop, I can access the network shares of all the other > computers, except for one. That one, regardless of the username/password > I give when trying to share, always gives an error 86 -- "the specified > network password is not correct". I have tried with and without > specifying the computer name in the username (ie: "username" and > "system\username"). Other XP boxes can use those shares without problem, > and that XP box can access the Vista shares without problem as well. > > All computers belong to the same workgroup. > > Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails > to be able to access the network shares? > > -- > Kenneth Brody Just an idea, while a cogitate some more.... Have you tried looking in the event logs of both machine for any clues? From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 11 20:47:58 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 11 20:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista and XP on the same network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h8eq8s$aau$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:h8drkm$n5h$1@news.spamcop.net... >> We have a network at home, consisting of almost all XP boxes, except for >> my laptop, which came with Vista. >> >> From my Vista laptop, I can access the network shares of all the other >> computers, except for one. That one, regardless of the username/password >> I give when trying to share, always gives an error 86 -- "the specified >> network password is not correct". I have tried with and without >> specifying the computer name in the username (ie: "username" and >> "system\username"). Other XP boxes can use those shares without problem, >> and that XP box can access the Vista shares without problem as well. >> >> All computers belong to the same workgroup. >> >> Does anyone here know why one particular combination of Vista-to-XP fails >> to be able to access the network shares? >> >> -- >> Kenneth Brody > > Just an idea, while a cogitate some more.... > Have you tried looking in the event logs of both machine for any clues? > Some other ideas http://forums.techguy.org/networking/794270-vista-cannot-access-xp-share.html From loyal at spamcop.user Sat Sep 12 11:42:18 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Sep 12 11:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: cnet reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > They often show up at the top of the search. And almost always say, "We > have not reviewed this product but here is CNET's buying advice on > Laptops." Grr. Which search engine are you using? AndrewB From joegill at removethis Sat Sep 12 14:37:39 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Sep 12 14:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C8455A2CE17FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > What's the deal with the crappy screen resolution on inexpensive laptops? > And why on earth buy something with a 1 GB video card and a 17" screen > that > will only show 1366 x 768? A commodore64 could handle the graphics for > you > - you don't need a monster. > > Oh, whatever. Those 'deals' are for people who are shopping by price only.... The reason for the wierd mismatch, is that these cheap laptops have ONE design criteria... keep it cheap. So what ever components are cheap and sufficient enought to last the lenght of the warranty are put in! Come up to the premium level! I am running a HP HDX 18, full loaded..1920x1080 resolution, great for HD.. etc et From joegill at removethis Sat Sep 12 18:42:41 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Sep 12 18:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C84996EE43CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> Come up to the premium level! > > I'm used to the premium level - we buy laptops at work. When engineers > get > to select them they buy $4k+ laptops. When IT buys them they get $1k to > $2k laptops. I prefer the $4k+ laptops. When I was talking 'premium'... I was talking in the $2K range.... From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 13 01:29:28 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Sep 13 01:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > When browsing and the word genuine shows up it's underlined and a link to > microsoft. This can't be normal. Seems, even, like viral behavior. I don't see that behaviour Charles (IE8, Firefox, SeaMonkey) - I bet the folk at genuine.com would have a thing or two to say about it if it were general. Why are you cussing with a British accent? From joegill at removethis Sun Sep 13 08:37:36 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Sep 13 08:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C84DC373D37TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message >> news:Xns9C84996EE43CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >>> No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! >>> >>>> Come up to the premium level! >>> >>> I'm used to the premium level - we buy laptops at work. When engineers >>> get >>> to select them they buy $4k+ laptops. When IT buys them they get $1k to >>> $2k laptops. I prefer the $4k+ laptops. >> >> When I was talking 'premium'... I was talking in the $2K range.... > > Looks like I'm going to buy a Vostro. A $2100 computer at $1293. Maybe. > If they give me what I want. Still, best price I've seen on the specs I'm > looking for... Don't know how 'desperate' you are...but.... I would consider waiting 60 days, until the Christmas buying season.... If customers don't open their wallets big time, before the end of the year.... it could be a gold mine for those with cash and buying! Also, 'Black Friday' is predicted to be the BEST ONE EVER!! Also, what do the benchmark / reviews say? Another thought... Have you looked at REPUTIBLE dealers on eBay for their price? From joegill at removethis Sun Sep 13 08:45:11 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Sep 13 08:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Still running with your wireless OPEN? Message-ID: A word to the wise, if you are leaving your wireless access on your router 'OPEN' A scary wireless-networking story (From KimKomando.com) 9/11/2009 Q. Someone has hacked into our unprotected wireless home network. The police came with a search warrant and took our laptops and cameras. They said I need to protect my network. Whatever someone did, we are responsible. We are beside ourselves thinking we will be arrested. We may have to get a lawyer, which we can't afford. Tell your listeners to please protect themselves. We are going to use Ethernet cables from now on. No more wireless. -Charles in Charleston, WV, listening on WCHS 580 AM A. This is a scary story. And it's not the first that I have heard like this. Hopefully, it will turn out well. The Internet has lit the fires of child pornography. Charles didn't say, but I'd bet that is what the police are after. Kiddie porn has been around for many years. But the Internet has facilitated its growth. Police have broken numerous kiddie porn rings. In some cases, these were people who traded images. In others, they included stores that took credit cards. Charles' situation is serious. Intentional possession of kiddie porn is usually a crime, although state laws vary. You don't have to be selling it to be arrested. Because of the risks involved, pedophiles look for ways to hide. One way certainly is to use someone else's computer. And the easiest way to do that is accessing an unprotected network. Household Wi-Fi systems are common. Many-perhaps most-people do not protect their systems. So, it is relatively easy to invade them. It is not uncommon for homeowners to detect several Wi-Fi signals. Apartment or condo residents could pick up even more. Others may attempt to protect their systems with obsolete encryption. The original Wi-Fi encryption-Wired Equivalent Privacy-is worthless. A knowledgeable person can break it in minutes. Only the latest system, WAP2, is truly dependable. Most likely, the person using Charles' system is a neighbor. Wi-Fi signals can easily stray off your property. Using another's signal is often illegal, but common. Most consumers wouldn't know their systems were being used. People have also been arrested in their cars. They go out looking for unprotected systems-a process called wardriving. Charles could also be a victim of that. In either case, the pedophile could be uploading or downloading kiddie porn. He is using Charles' Internet Protocol number-his Web address. It is possible to check for unauthorized visitors. Most routers maintain logs of connections. These usually contain IP numbers assigned by the router, and the computers' names. Router instructions will hopefully make that clear. Look for a period in which your network was not being used. You can also check for periods in which too many computers were logged on. Or, watch for unfamiliar computer names. But why bother? Just lock down your system. That is relatively easy. Be sure to use WPA2 encryption, which is the most advanced. An earlier version, WPA (Wi-Fi Protected Access) has been broken by researchers. WPA2 uses AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) encryption. AES is used by the federal government. I have a tip that explains this setup. If your router doesn't offer WPA2, check with the manufacturer. You may be able to update it with a download. If not, buy a new router. Obsolete wireless equipment is dangerous. Of course, once it's locked down, guests will show up. They'll want to add their laptops. My tip explains how to do that. Do those wireless numbers and letters confuse you? I can explain them all. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Sep 13 11:01:01 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Lou) Date: Sun Sep 13 11:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Still running with your wireless OPEN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote, On 9/13/2009 6:45 AM: > > ... My tip explains how to do that. > > Do those wireless numbers and letters confuse you? I can explain them all. > I thought I say a hook. It took a while to get to the payoff. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Sep 13 15:56:06 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sun Sep 13 16:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C8499FC84EE6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61 > When browsing and the word genuine shows up it's underlined and a > link to microsoft. This can't be normal. Seems, even, like viral > behavior. Arseholes. At microsoft, that is. And windows has a popup > that talks about what a great os it is. WHAT COMPLETE WANKERS. lol, do you guys think you're actually fooling anyone? From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Sep 13 18:35:46 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Sep 13 18:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: > "Charles" >> This can't be normal. Seems, even, like viral >> behavior. Arseholes. At microsoft, that is. > lol, do you guys think you're actually fooling anyone? Most of the time I have no real idea/comprehension about what Chuck isn't talking about. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Sun Sep 13 22:02:21 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Sun Sep 13 22:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > perhaps (perhaps???) it's not appropriate as an icebreaker. Well, shucks. > You never do know - perhaps I'll get sent out your way on a job and we'll > have a chance to have brews (of our own choosing) in company. And to chat > about this (and that). Or... Hey. I'll try to send you another email We had a 30 degree day on Saturday. I started a new batch of brew, an English bitter this time. For the next day, it was bubbling like a mad scientist experiment. Of course it was 6 degrees last night, so the brew has dropped down below 20 and it is time to switch its heating pad back on. Just a few bubbles now, so it should brew a little slower. I have call out for empties, so I might have enough bottles in a week or two. From mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com Sun Sep 13 22:05:00 2009 From: mny98rv02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K Mean) Date: Sun Sep 13 22:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > I still don't know what to get. Looking at maybe a desktop, now. The > price/performance is a lot better. But. But for $1400 I can get a laptop > that benchmarks at 6+ times as fast as my desktop. Seems like 6 times as > fast is something I'd notice. Does it really matter? My desktop at work has like 4 processor thingys, lots of memory, all that good stuff. But I start up Netbeans and it all crawls to a halt. Seems like it doesn't matter, you always have some choke points that kill everything no matter how much you upgrade. From loyal at spamcop.user Mon Sep 14 01:02:41 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Mon Sep 14 01:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > > I would consider waiting 60 days, until the Christmas buying season.... > If customers don't open their wallets big time, before the end of the > year.... it could be a gold mine for those with cash and buying! > Also, 'Black Friday' is predicted to be the BEST ONE EVER!! That's my plan! Hey! Don't let it out of the bag. :) I'm looking at a replacement Fujitsu S series laptop or a Lenovo. AndrewB From joegill at removethis Mon Sep 14 03:33:05 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Sep 14 03:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mr K Mean" wrote in message news:h8k8cd$ru6$2@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> >> I still don't know what to get. Looking at maybe a desktop, now. The >> price/performance is a lot better. But. But for $1400 I can get a >> laptop that benchmarks at 6+ times as fast as my desktop. Seems like 6 >> times as fast is something I'd notice. > > Does it really matter? My desktop at work has like 4 processor thingys, > lots of memory, all that good stuff. But I start up Netbeans and it all > crawls to a halt. Seems like it doesn't matter, you always have some choke > points that kill everything no matter how much you upgrade. The trick is to find out the 'why'... of the performance bottlneck.... Some examples: A) Some programs cannot exploit multi-processors B) Some products obtain exclusive 'locks' and must wait for other processes to finish. C) Even though tou say you have 'lots of memory', Netbeans may require and extrordinart amount of memory. D) Define 'lots of memory' and state which O/S From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Sep 14 09:34:22 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Mon Sep 14 09:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C8641E4375FATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61 > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> The trick is to find out the 'why'... of the performance >> bottlneck.... > > Windows networking is stupid and poorly implemented. With that attitude, nothing will ever satisfy you; you have a pointless quest. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Sep 14 11:32:56 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Sep 14 11:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Most of the time I have no real idea/comprehension about what Chuck >> isn't talking about. > > An interesting thought in and of itself. Of course... I have never > prided myself on my communication skills per se. Still... I _have_ > prided myself on my writings. Now, you might confuse, if you didn't > know me or what I was talking about, writing with communication. And > yet... Yeah. Well, it's a complicated subject, I suppose. It's like > I'm able to communicate certain thoughts and certain feelings but only > to a certain subset of society. ... and two twins who have developed a language common to only themselves can communicate with each other by otherwise unintelligible/incoherent mutual babbling, but that doesn't mean that they should 'try' to communicate with others in that way. When you sit down at your keyboard and type some stuff aimed in 'our' direction - where our/us/we are the readers of the newsgroups where you are posting your typings, if you simply choose to babble incoherently, then not very many people are going to get much meaning out of your communication 'efforts' - or lack of effort. I think it is better if you want other people to understand and to type something back at you to make some kind of effort to help them understand what you are trying to talk about, not just throw some words around in a sloppy manner and expect everyone else to work out its deciphering for themselves. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Mon Sep 14 12:26:06 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Sep 14 12:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: You're looking at the wrong things In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C8641E4375FATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! > >> The trick is to find out the 'why'... of the performance bottlneck.... > > Windows networking is stupid and poorly implemented. But I thought the issue was CPU/BOX performance, not network performance From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Sep 14 14:30:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Sep 14 14:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: New install issue References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> make some kind of effort to help them understand what you are trying to >> talk about > > It would surely surprise you to learn that this is the case. Oh. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Sep 14 18:21:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Sep 14 18:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Help with MP3 player, PLEASE!! Message-ID: I have an Insignia Bluetooth MP3 player, 2 GB, model NS-DV2G. I use(d) to use it with my Insignia bluetooth headphones, model NS-BTHDP. Over the last month or two of listening to my music while doing chores outside I grew tired of my then current music list and decided to change it. First, since all the storage space was already filled to capacity, I converted all of the then current music on the player from 128 kbps stereo to 112 kbps mono (I'm deaf in one ear, certain songs were unlistenable in stereo mode) on my PC. Then I gathered near 100 new songs and got ready to upload them to the player, something I hadn't done since 12-19-08. For some reason, WMP11 now refuses to recognize the player, sez it's not compatible/driver is out of date. This is the same damn WMP11 installation that uploaded all the songs in the first place! After much mucking around for the last couple weeks, I still can't get WMP11 to work with the player, and cannot find any way to make them compatible. I used to use Rhapsody Best Buy to sync playlists, but quickly discovered how stupid Rhapsody is -- instead of simply creating a playlist, it would actually copy duplicate files into new directories for the playlist! And somehow in all of this confusion/frustration I forgot to copy the original playlists from the MP3 player, which are in a "unique" .PLS format, so Rhapsody has no playlists to refer to on the player. I've tried all kinds of media apps, including MediaMonkey (came highly recommended), but everything I can find wants to write playlists to the player as M3U files, which my player can't read. And they're useless anyway -- after looking at them they refer to the original location of the files, meaning the list is composed of "C:\Converted MP3s\filename.mp3". No wonder the damn player can't grok them. I can't upload the music from the player into a media app to create a playlist that way either, nothing will work in reverse like that. I _do_ have some snippets of what a PLS file should look like, so in theory I could hand-type my playlists and upload them to the player that way....but goddamn, that would take me weeks.....I have over 500 songs now! So can anyone help me out here, in any way? From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Sep 17 02:10:29 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Sep 17 02:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Help with MP3 player, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: ... > So can anyone help me out here, in any way? Hrm. Very interesting. Are your tunes tied to Windows DRM, or can they be played on any player? It may be that the unique DRM key on the device that is used to decrypt music has expired or was recalled, such that the device isn't recognized. Nothing can be done about that, as those keys are the equivalent of gold and usually stored in a place on the device that won't let the key be read, but can be accessed and used by the device. My ancient WM-DRM enabled MP3 player shows up as a USB drive in Linux, and as a music device in XP. I can copy songs to it, but can't copy off of it. I can't create directories on the device, but can move directories on the device from my PC. Copying songs puts them in order of they were copied, FIFO. If you can do similar, can you organize tracks by directory in a play-list sort of way? AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Sep 17 14:20:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Sep 17 14:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Help with MP3 player, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h8sjsl$o37$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: > ... >> So can anyone help me out here, in any way? > > Hrm. Very interesting. Are your tunes tied to Windows DRM, or can they > be played on any player? Uh...erm......let's just say the DRM protection is not present in any of the files (anymore ;-) > My ancient WM-DRM enabled MP3 player shows up as a USB drive in Linux, and > as a music device in XP. I can copy songs to it, but can't copy off of > it. I can't create directories on the device, but can move directories on > the device from my PC. Copying songs puts them in order of they were > copied, FIFO. If you can do similar, can you organize tracks by directory > in a play-list sort of way? My device works in two modes: MPT and "file and folder" -- the latter allows me to move files back and forth between my PC and the player without needing any kind of media player. I figured out the other day that I can create playlists by hand directly on the player, but the saved .PLA file has 0 bytes and cannot be uploaded to my PC for editing. Basically, I made a playlist that included all the songs on the player, then right clicked on the "All Music.PLA" file, which brings up some strange kind of list editor, one I've never seen before - dunno if it's part of the player firmware or what - from that main list, I can remove files, change the order if I want, then "save as" a new PLA file (again with 0 bytes!). In any case, the point is now kind of moot.....I dropped the player on my driveway last week (fell out of my shirt pocket when I leaned over) and the bluetooth transmitter apparently got damaged. I went to Best Buy yesterday and bought a new set of bluetooth headphones to see which device was broken, and the new headphones didn't work either, unless I held them within a foot of the player, just like the old headphones. Best Buy tech said no problem returning the headphones my old ones weren't broken, so the new ones are going back today. Unfortunately, Best Buy stopped selling Insignia MP3 players, and indeed, they do not carry a single player that is Bluetooth compatible anymore, something I find incredibly stupid on their part. The "freeness" of not being tethered to your player with an always in the way cord while doing yardwork etc. is so nice! I'm currently looking on Ebay for a new (slightly used) player, in original box with all accessories/cables etc., and I'm upgrading to the 8 GB Insignia model, which has a lot more built in features, like an adjustable equalizer. Can't find a brand new one for any reasonable price, used ones are around $55. Why not buy a different brand, you ask? Well, I have all kinds of accessories for the Insignia series players, like an FM converter you plug into your car's 12 V outlet and the MP3 player's USB port -- then you find a "clear" FM channel down in the high 80's and play your music on your car's radio. And I highly doubt the USB connector type is identical for most players, seeing as I have 5 frigging different USB cables cluttering up a desk drawer for 5 different digital devices: 2 digicams, 1 vidcam, MP3 player, and my cell phone -- all have unique interfaces :-( From me at privacy.net Thu Sep 17 21:28:00 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Thu Sep 17 21:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Can't find ONE specific server, can find everyone else Message-ID: Can not find ONE specific server, can find everyone else - email works ok. Running Vista, turned off firewalls and all filters, no parental controls. Tried accessing server via IP address - no luck Tried ftping - no luck. Tried another computer from same CAT5 cable - this worked. Checked for virus - none What do I look for in this computer? BTW accessing that specific server worked yesterday but not today. This happened some time ago on another computer, installed new computer, never found out why other failed. From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 18 00:53:50 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 18 00:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Can't find ONE specific server, can find everyone else In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:h8unn6$i7t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Can not find ONE specific server, can find everyone else - email works ok. > > Running Vista, turned off firewalls and all filters, no parental controls. > > Tried accessing server via IP address - no luck > Tried ftping - no luck. > Tried another computer from same CAT5 cable - this worked. > Checked for virus - none > > What do I look for in this computer? > > BTW accessing that specific server worked yesterday but not today. > This happened some time ago on another computer, installed new computer, > never found out why other failed. In a 'privledge' command window run IPCONFIG /FLUSHDNS And then retry From loyal at spamcop.user Fri Sep 18 23:39:59 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Fri Sep 18 23:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Help with MP3 player, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > In any case, the point is now kind of moot.....I dropped the player on > my driveway last week (fell out of my shirt pocket when I leaned over) > and the bluetooth transmitter apparently got damaged. I went to Best Buy > yesterday and bought a new set of bluetooth headphones to see which > device was broken, and the new headphones didn't work either, unless I > held them within a foot of the player, just like the old headphones. > Best Buy tech said no problem returning the headphones my old ones > weren't broken, so the new ones are going back today. Unfortunately, > Best Buy stopped selling Insignia MP3 players, and indeed, they do not > carry a single player that is Bluetooth compatible anymore, something I > find incredibly stupid on their part. The "freeness" of not being > tethered to your player with an always in the way cord while doing > yardwork etc. is so nice! Ooo, sorry to hear about the drop! I did something similar, dropping my mp3 player at the gym. The little nubs on the battery door broke off. I know use a piece of tape to keep it closed. The accident caused me to hunt on ebay for a couple more - I've got 3 spare. I have two pair of Motorola's S9 headphones. The first pair only lasted about 7 months before it stopped holding a charge (the battery is tiny anyway). The second didn't last long, as I started a harder workout, and the unit can short out late in the workout. I was playing music off of my phone, but that also sapped the phone battery. > I'm currently looking on Ebay for a new (slightly used) player, in > original box with all accessories/cables etc., and I'm upgrading to the > 8 GB Insignia model, which has a lot more built in features, like an > adjustable equalizer. Can't find a brand new one for any reasonable > price, used ones are around $55. Why not buy a different brand, you ask? > Well, I have all kinds of accessories for the Insignia series players, > like an FM converter you plug into your car's 12 V outlet and the MP3 > player's USB port -- then you find a "clear" FM channel down in the high > 80's and play your music on your car's radio. And I highly doubt the USB > connector type is identical for most players, seeing as I have 5 > frigging different USB cables cluttering up a desk drawer for 5 > different digital devices: 2 digicams, 1 vidcam, MP3 player, and my cell > phone -- all have unique interfaces :-( Yeah, I understand the accessories bit. Keep searching on ebay and craigslist. Maybe post a wanted ad on Craigslist. If your player sends an audio signal out the player's USB port, that's probably non-standard. :) I think there are only 4 standard USB interfaces: the flat common kind for USB drives and the like; a square one (not popular); the mini, seen on some phones, cameras, and devices; and the micro, seen on slim phones. There's a picture on the USB wikipedia page showing them. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Sep 19 00:15:53 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Sep 19 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Help with MP3 player, PLEASE!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h91jqe$u2m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If your player sends an audio signal out the player's USB port, that's > probably non-standard. :) Hah....no, just bitching about the mess of cords I need to keep around to use various devices. > > I think there are only 4 standard USB interfaces: the flat common kind for > USB drives and the like; a square one (not popular); the mini, seen on > some phones, cameras, and devices; and the micro, seen on slim phones. > There's a picture on the USB wikipedia page showing them. > The 5th one is the DVI ouput cable from my vidcam. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Sep 22 19:25:54 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Tue Sep 22 19:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Can't find ONE specific server, can find everyone else References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:h8v3ph$t1h$1@news.spamcop.net > "anon" wrote in message > news:h8unn6$i7t$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Can not find ONE specific server, can find everyone else - email >> works ok. Running Vista, turned off firewalls and all filters, no >> parental >> controls. Tried accessing server via IP address - no luck >> Tried ftping - no luck. >> Tried another computer from same CAT5 cable - this worked. >> Checked for virus - none >> >> What do I look for in this computer? >> >> BTW accessing that specific server worked yesterday but not today. >> This happened some time ago on another computer, installed new >> computer, never found out why other failed. > > In a 'privledge' command window run IPCONFIG /FLUSHDNS > And then retry And make certain there are no firewall or NAT blocks stopping it. "Stuff" happens. HOSTS file is another place to check. THEN go after the more detailed ts'ing. And the flush is a good idea. IMO anyway, Twayne` From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Sep 22 19:45:29 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Tue Sep 22 19:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: lol, well, here's a followup to my last followup: Last week sometime, port 587 magically began to work again. On Friday, port 25 quit! I put it to 587, and would you believe it worked? Today I get a message from my sister that port 25 WILL BE blocked, in favor of port 587, on 27 October of this year according to an e-mail notice she got from Verizon yesterday! But I still haven't seen my own notice of same. So, I'm slowly changing over all the e-mail accounts to 587. Again. And surprise surprise, a quick check just showed me that EITHER 25 or 587 works now! So, I quit; I'll fix it more the next time one quits working. GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! I'm waiting for the day when neither one works! Am I still the only one with all these really strange goings on? Verizon support of course, is going through all the same malarky they did last time instead of just looking at the records they already have and going from there. I can tell right now all that will end up with is a "use either one", assuming they keep it set at that. A boar-hog's teats occurs to me here. Sorry - had to vent & tell someone Cheers, Twayne` "Twayne" wrote in message news:h5vei8$jn5$1@news.spamcop.net > FYI, I switched my e-mails pop accounts over to port 587 some months > ago and all has been fine. Then all of a sudden today, I could > receive but not send any e-mails! I ran around Hogan's Barn a few > times and finally just for grins set the port back to the default 25. > And the mail started working (Sending) again. Except that I have to > monitor 15 e-mail accounts, it's no biggie I guess, but it was > annoying. So much for jumping the gun. > > Just goes to show, I guess; I never did receive an e-mail telling me I > had to switch to port 587 but I figured I just got missed in the > onslaught. But apparently they don't want people using it unless > they've actually told you to do so. > > So, thought I'd post it here just in case it affected anyone besides > me. > HTH, > > Twayne` From me at privacy.net Tue Sep 22 20:32:31 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Sep 22 20:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C8ECB739FAD5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : No way it was me! It was "Twayne" ! : : > GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! : : As long as they're cool 12 y/o's I'm cool with it. It's the ones that are : shmucks that get on my nerves... Based on my personal experience 99.99% are shmucks. Long story short: Ss = smuck support Me: At your request I sent you a copy of the email that is being blocked Ss: We did not receive it Me: because your system blocks the email. Ss: Sorry sir if we can't received the email we can't tell you why it's being blocked. Me: I can send a fax ... Ss: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive faxes. Ss: you need to send us a copy ... Me: I'll send a hard copy by mail. Ss: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive mail. Perhaps if I send it in a big box with an 8 day wind up mechanical (ticking) clock ...? From DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net Tue Sep 22 21:31:41 2009 From: DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net (David H. Lipman) Date: Tue Sep 22 21:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: From: "Frog Prince" | "Charles" wrote in message | news:Xns9C8ECB739FAD5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... :: No way it was me! It was "Twayne" ! :: > GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! :: As long as they're cool 12 y/o's I'm cool with it. It's the ones that are :: shmucks that get on my nerves... | Based on my personal experience 99.99% are shmucks. | Long story short: | Ss = smuck support Me:: At your request I sent you a copy of the email that is being blocked Ss:: We did not receive it Me:: because your system blocks the email. Ss:: Sorry sir if we can't received the email we can't tell you why it's | being blocked. Me:: I can send a fax ... Ss:: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive faxes. Ss:: you need to send us a copy ... Me:: I'll send a hard copy by mail. Ss:: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive mail. Reminds me of the time I dealt with Randy T. of Microsoft concerning their malware submission email address rejecting malware submissions as spam. The difference is I got Microsoft to move their malware submission email addresses to be in front of their content filters. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp From me at privacy.net Tue Sep 22 22:34:04 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Sep 22 22:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: "David H. Lipman" wrote in message news:h9btq0$1qg$1@news.spamcop.net... : From: "Frog Prince" : : : : | "Charles" wrote in message : | news:Xns9C8ECB739FAD5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... ::: No way it was me! It was "Twayne" ! : ::: > GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! : ::: As long as they're cool 12 y/o's I'm cool with it. It's the ones that are ::: shmucks that get on my nerves... : : | Based on my personal experience 99.99% are shmucks. : : | Long story short: : : | Ss = smuck support : : Me:: At your request I sent you a copy of the email that is being blocked : Ss:: We did not receive it : Me:: because your system blocks the email. : Ss:: Sorry sir if we can't received the email we can't tell you why it's : | being blocked. : : Me:: I can send a fax ... : Ss:: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive faxes. : : Ss:: you need to send us a copy ... : Me:: I'll send a hard copy by mail. : : Ss:: Sorry sir we're not equipped to receive mail. : : Reminds me of the time I dealt with Randy T. of Microsoft concerning their malware : submission email address rejecting malware submissions as spam. : : The difference is I got Microsoft to move their malware submission email addresses to be : in front of their content filters. Doubt that will happen (I've asked). Did get a troop out here that clamed to be the regional technician manage for this area. First word out of his mouth "there is nothing I don't know about computers" I did not say a word but handed him a stack of punch cards. "What's that?" ... it has been all down hill from there. From loyal at spamcop.user Wed Sep 23 02:13:41 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Wed Sep 23 02:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: > > GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! Maybe. But more likely they have a few thousand computers, one of which you may randomly connecting to at each connection request. And they are running some machines with config A, some with config B, some with config C, etc. Oh, and these machines may be scattered throughout the nation, and some may be in facilities that aren't staffed, and even some may be maintained by third parties. Just for thought.... AndrewB From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 23 07:30:43 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 23 07:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > The > ComputerWorld article gives a nice but shorter summary. > In an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, SCO Group CEO Darl McBride was > likely to renew its lawsuit for $1 billion against IBM and Novell, as > well as seek licensing fees from companies that run Linux. Computerworld link and snippage: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137082/Judge_overturns_2007_Unix _copyright_decision In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. The firm's commitment requires SCO to "aggressively continue" its ongoing litigation against Novell and IBM, as well as another case against AutoZone Inc. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 23 07:46:31 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 23 07:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: >> In an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, SCO Group CEO Darl McBride was >> likely to renew its lawsuit for $1 billion against IBM and Novell, as >> well as seek licensing fees from companies that run Linux. > In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital > Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings > against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. More snippage about Stephen Norris Capital money... http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug022108-story02.html SCO Brought Back from the Dead by Middle East Money -- In his small-print bio at the end of the SCO announcement, it says that Norris invested over $1 billion on behalf of a "prominent Middle Eastern investor" into Citigroup, Euro Disney, and the Four Seasons Hotel, which have returned over $10 billion to that investor. The unnamed investor that Carlyle invested for (with Norris doing the job) was Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Sep 23 07:57:33 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Sep 23 08:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Leaving SpamCop Message-ID: Hi folks -- tomorrow is my last day at SpamCop. After 7 or 8 years it's going to be strange to wake up in the morning, stumble over to the computer (I telecommute) and not tell people that yes, yes they are sending spam. Thanks for the support over the years! Richard, Don and Kelly are still deps so I know I leave you in good hands! Ellen From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Wed Sep 23 09:04:26 2009 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Wed Sep 23 09:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:30:43 -0700, "Mike Easter" wrote: >Frog Prince wrote: > >> The >> ComputerWorld article gives a nice but shorter summary. > >> In an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, SCO Group CEO Darl McBride was >> likely to renew its lawsuit for $1 billion against IBM and Novell, as >> well as seek licensing fees from companies that run Linux. > >Computerworld link and snippage: > >http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137082/Judge_overturns_2007_Unix >_copyright_decision In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital >Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings >against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. The >firm's commitment requires SCO to "aggressively continue" its ongoing >litigation against Novell and IBM, as well as another case against >AutoZone Inc. SCO's management is no longer in control of the company; the bankruptcy court has appointed a Chapter 11 trustee to manage the company. See http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090825175606636. -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Sep 23 12:42:08 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Sep 23 12:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: E?nw? wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital >> Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings >> against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. > SCO's management is no longer in control of the company; the bankruptcy > court has appointed a Chapter 11 trustee to manage the company. See > http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090825175606636. Pamela of Groklaw hasn't written an article addressing this newest legal turn of events yet. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at nowhere.not Wed Sep 23 13:34:01 2009 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Wed Sep 23 13:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:45:29 UTC, "Twayne" wrote: > Am I still the only one with all these really strange goings on? > Verizon support of course, is going through all the same malarky they > did last time instead of just looking at the records they already have > and going from there. I can tell right now all that will end up with is > a "use either one", assuming they keep it set at that. Which is why I only use Verizon for my connection to the internet. As a customer I have an email address but do not use it for anything. There are too many good hosting companies so I will not waste my time trying to make Verizon's crappy system work for me. -- Robert Blair From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Sep 23 21:57:40 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Wed Sep 23 22:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon References: Message-ID: It got even cuter today; I haven't heard this mentioned yet: This morning around 11, I got one of those no-human recorded phone calls advising me of the same thing that was in the e-mail. Same words, exact same script. Then later my sister mentioned she had received the same exact phone call. Only, she hasn't gotten her e-mail yet. I told her maybe next week. Actually I may have gotten that call last week; it was the same distorted, squeaky voice as the one i got today, but I hung up as soon as I realized it was a recorded call. Today I happened to hear "Verizon" so I listened to it all the way thru so it'd tag me as called and not call again. I wonder if VZ knows that unmanned, outgoing phone calls without a human available are against the FCC Title 47 Part 68 regulations? Oh well, who cares? I checked for grins, and both port numbers are working now (again). I hear the next change will be to port 23587, just to confuse things further. It'd be funny if it weren't just so darned stupid. But then, I guess they want to be sure the word gets out, eh? "Twayne" wrote in message news:h9bnig$t1o$1@news.spamcop.net > lol, well, here's a followup to my last followup: > > Last week sometime, port 587 magically began to work again. On > Friday, port 25 quit! I put it to 587, and would you believe it > worked? Today I get a message from my sister that port 25 WILL BE > blocked, in favor of port 587, on 27 October of this year according > to an e-mail notice she got from Verizon yesterday! But I still > haven't seen my own notice of same. So, I'm slowly changing over all > the e-mail accounts to 587. Again. And surprise surprise, a quick > check just showed me that EITHER 25 or 587 works now! So, I quit; > I'll fix it more the next time one quits working. > > GADS!! They must have a bunch of 12 year olds running the place! > > I'm waiting for the day when neither one works! > > Am I still the only one with all these really strange goings on? > Verizon support of course, is going through all the same malarky they > did last time instead of just looking at the records they already have > and going from there. I can tell right now all that will end up with > is a "use either one", assuming they keep it set at that. A > boar-hog's teats occurs to me here. > > Sorry - had to vent & tell someone > > Cheers, > > Twayne` > > > > "Twayne" wrote in message > news:h5vei8$jn5$1@news.spamcop.net >> FYI, I switched my e-mails pop accounts over to port 587 some months >> ago and all has been fine. Then all of a sudden today, I could >> receive but not send any e-mails! I ran around Hogan's Barn a few >> times and finally just for grins set the port back to the default 25. >> And the mail started working (Sending) again. Except that I have to >> monitor 15 e-mail accounts, it's no biggie I guess, but it was >> annoying. So much for jumping the gun. >> >> Just goes to show, I guess; I never did receive an e-mail telling me >> I had to switch to port 587 but I figured I just got missed in the >> onslaught. But apparently they don't want people using it unless >> they've actually told you to do so. >> >> So, thought I'd post it here just in case it affected anyone besides >> me. >> HTH, >> >> Twayne` From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Sep 23 21:59:20 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Wed Sep 23 22:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h9d1qk$4ck$1@news.spamcop.net > Mike Easter wrote: > >>> In an article in the Salt Lake Tribune, SCO Group CEO Darl McBride >>> was likely to renew its lawsuit for $1 billion against IBM and >>> Novell, as well as seek licensing fees from companies that run >>> Linux. > >> In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital >> Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings >> against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. > > More snippage about Stephen Norris Capital money... > > http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug022108-story02.html SCO Brought Back > from the Dead by Middle East Money -- In his small-print bio at the > end of the SCO announcement, it says that Norris invested over $1 > billion on behalf of a "prominent Middle Eastern investor" into > Citigroup, Euro Disney, and the Four Seasons Hotel, which have > returned over $10 billion to that investor. The unnamed investor that > Carlyle invested for (with Norris doing the job) was Prince Alwaleed > bin Talal of Saudi Arabia. Is he sure it wasn't Nigeria? lol! Twayne` From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Sep 24 01:22:49 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Sep 24 01:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: FYI if you suddenly cannot send emails & have Verizon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: ... > Actually I may have gotten that call last week; it was the same > distorted, squeaky voice as the one i got today, but I hung up as soon > as I realized it was a recorded call. Today I happened to hear > "Verizon" so I listened to it all the way thru so it'd tag me as called > and not call again. I wonder if VZ knows that unmanned, outgoing phone > calls without a human available are against the FCC Title 47 Part 68 > regulations? Oh well, who cares? ... Verizon is a phone company, so they aren't under the jurisdiction of the FTC, who's ban on robocalls went into affect on Sept 1 2009. There are other allowances for robocalls in the FTC regulation though. > I checked for grins, and both port numbers are working now (again). > I hear the next change will be to port 23587, just to confuse things > further. Like I said in my other message, you may just be hitting a properly configured server. So, your mileage might vary depending on what server your SMTP connections get hooked up with. AndrewB From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Thu Sep 24 08:24:45 2009 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Thu Sep 24 08:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:42:08 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: > Pamela of Groklaw hasn't written an article addressing this newest legal > turn of events yet. However, see: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14597/the_sco_zombie_wins_one -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 020 7900 4444 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 888 3507 http://www.easynet.com * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Thu Sep 24 09:55:35 2009 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Thu Sep 24 10:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:42:08 -0700, "Mike Easter" wrote: >E?nw? wrote: >> "Mike Easter" > >>> In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital >>> Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings >>> against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. > >> SCO's management is no longer in control of the company; the >bankruptcy >> court has appointed a Chapter 11 trustee to manage the company. See >> http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090825175606636. > >Pamela of Groklaw hasn't written an article addressing this newest legal >turn of events yet. I strongly suggest that you review the entire Groklaw SCO/Novell/IBM litigation and SCO bankruptcy timelines. There is no actual evidence that Stephen Norris Capital Partners actually exists, and they have not been a white knight in SCO's bankruptcy actions for some months. It was at least in part because SNCP does not seem to be "real" that SCO management was removed from control of the company, and a Chapter 11 trustee - named in the link I gave you above - apponted in August. Furthermore, Novell has applied for an en banc rehearing of the appeals court decision that overturned Judge Kimball's finding (in Novell's favor) that the APA was sufficiently unambiguous that a trial was not needed. There has been no statement from the Chapter 11 trustee as to whether SCO will be pursuing further appeals, or even prosecuting the existing litigation. -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Sep 24 14:51:06 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Sep 24 14:55:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: E?nw? wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> E?nw? wrote: >>> "Mike Easter" >> >>>> In February of last year, Stephen Norris Capital >>>> Partners pumped up to $100 million into SCO believing the rulings >>>> against the company could be reversed on appeal to a higher court. >> >>> SCO's management is no longer in control of the company; the >>> bankruptcy court has appointed a Chapter 11 trustee to manage the >>> company. See http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090825175606636. >> >> Pamela of Groklaw hasn't written an article addressing this newest >> legal turn of events yet. > > I strongly suggest that you review the entire Groklaw SCO/Novell/IBM > litigation and SCO bankruptcy timelines. There is no actual evidence > that Stephen Norris Capital Partners actually exists, and they have not > been a white knight in SCO's bankruptcy actions for some months. It was > at least in part because SNCP does not seem to be "real" that SCO > management was removed from control of the company, and a Chapter 11 > trustee - named in the link I gave you above - apponted in August. > > Furthermore, Novell has applied for an en banc rehearing of the appeals > court decision that overturned Judge Kimball's finding (in Novell's > favor) that the APA was sufficiently unambiguous that a trial was not > needed. > > There has been no statement from the Chapter 11 trustee as to whether > SCO will be pursuing further appeals, or even prosecuting the existing > litigation. Re the relationship between SNCP and SCO... This is a 3 page article from networkworld site from 2008 Feb giving some kind of description of the 'relationship' http://snipr.com/s3lpp SCO suitor vows to keep up Unix copyright war ... In SNCP's filing with the U.S Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, which must approve SNCP's offer to SCO, the private equity firm said it will require SCO to "aggressively continue" its ongoing litigation against Novell, IBM and AutoZone Inc. ... The filing shows SNCP is investing just $5 million cash upfront and making another $95 million available to SCO via a high-interest line-of-credit. The credit line comes with an interest rate higher than most consumer credit cards - 17% plus the rate that banks charge each other for loans. ... "It's not like $100 million has been forwarded to a law firm to continue this lawsuit [against Novell]," says Jim Zemlin, executive director of the Linux Foundation. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Thu Sep 24 18:26:13 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Thu Sep 24 18:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The need for speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C906FEAF7E4FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Got a new laptop. A pretty quick one. I hope, anyway. But it made me > think about my other computers... So I did what I could, in quick fixes, > to speed them up as well. I'll report back - let you know that it was all > worth it. Because, of course, it will all be worth it, don't you know? > > I added a disk to the RAID on my desktop and replaced the HD on my laptop > with an SSD. While the former action will likely only have a small effect > (and one that I'm unlikely to see) the latter actiion should have a huge > effect. > > The next step, if this doesn't help with the desktop, is to go SSD there, > too. Still... Well, it will be nice when SSD prices come down, you know? > > Oh. Anyway, the new computer seems pretty cool. It is a bit bigger than > I'm used to hauling around but I think I can deal. 1) have you MAXED out the memory? 2) If you have a second physical drive installed, try to isolate tempfiles, etc on a second drive 3) Using READYBOOST? 4) Use a third-party defrag product on the non-SSD drive... 5) Look at the hard drive specs for the non SSD drives, and swap for high performance drives. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Sep 24 20:29:42 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Sep 24 20:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The need for speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > >> 4) Use a third-party defrag product on the non-SSD drive... > > Gasp! You mean that MS isn't perfect? Actually... I miss whatever tool > it was that used on my mac (circa os 6.5.2). It would not only get rid of > the hole but also group things by task - putting the OS files in an easy- > to-get-to place. At least... That was the theory! Raxco Perfectdisk does that. From DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net Thu Sep 24 20:41:14 2009 From: DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net (David H. Lipman) Date: Thu Sep 24 20:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The need for speed References: Message-ID: From: "Charles" | No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" ! >> 1) have you MAXED out the memory? | More than. Desktop is on xp pro and there are 4 GB installed. The BIOS | will take 32GB... I'll move to Win7 64 soon enough (already have another | laptop running that). >> 2) If you have a second physical drive installed, try to isolate >> tempfiles, etc on a second drive | Ahem. I'm on RAID 0, dude. I've installed another drive to hopefully | increase throughput a bit. We'll have to see, won't we? Or... When SSD | drives come down a bit more in price I'll RAID 0 3 or 4 of those. The idea is this. The OS can read and write two processes to two different disks at the same time. Something I have been doing with SCSI for a number of years. Thus you can be loading/executing software on one hard disk and read/writing to the %temp% folder on another at the same time. If you are striping on a pair of disks the perfomance is just slighly better but you are still performing one process at a time. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp From DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net Thu Sep 24 22:36:06 2009 From: DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net (David H. Lipman) Date: Thu Sep 24 22:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The need for speed References: Message-ID: From: "Charles" | No way it was me! It was "David H. Lipman" | ! >> The idea is this. The OS can read and write two processes to two >> different disks at the same time. Something I have been doing with >> SCSI for a number of years. | I hear that you've been doing it but... Performance, in your case, depends | on the SCSI card. Well, that and the OS and the specific computer and | whatever. Of course... There aren't any specific tests to measure | performance of a system configured the way you say you have it done so you | can claim whatever you want and we can't contradict you. Bearing in mind, | of course, that the burden of truth lies on you, eh? The only thing that | matters, in the end, is the numbers. So? Show us some numbers. >> Thus you can be loading/executing software on one hard disk and >> read/writing to the %temp% folder on another at the same time. | Oh, sure, the theory is great. The practice is quite other. Seriously. | What OS? What files? What benchmark? >> If you are striping on a pair of disks the perfomance is just slighly >> better but you are still performing one process at a time. | At last something that I can respond to! You're full of shit. Hello. | With 2 drives I was getting 125 MB/s throughput. Find me a system, that's | not SSD, that can do that. I haven't tested throughput yet with 3 drives | but it should be marginally better. Say... 150 MB/s. Not as good as a | single SSD but still pretty rockin' for the investment to speed ratio. You are joking - Right ? Ultra160 160MB/s Ultra320 320MB/s Ultra640 640MB/s You don't get it. It doesn't have to be even SCSI. Take IDE as long as HD1 is on channel 1 and HD2 is on is on Channel 2 the disks are not in a master/slave relationshiop and thus the OS can read/write to BOTH disks at the same time. This is under NT Based OS, Unix/Linux, etc. (not Win9x/ME, it couldn't perform concurrent read/writes). What you do not understand is that you can have two processes writing two data streams at the same time across striped drives. You have to perform process 1 and then process two in succession. The idea is multiple independent drives allowing multiple reads and writes to be concurrent and and successive. Increase performace more with two pairs of RAID 0. One array with one objective like the OS and the other array with data, swap files, caches and TEMP files. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Fri Sep 25 07:11:12 2009 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Fri Sep 25 07:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:24:45 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Edwards wrote: >On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:42:08 -0700, Mike Easter wrote: > >> Pamela of Groklaw hasn't written an article addressing this newest legal >> turn of events yet. > >However, see: > >http://blogs.computerworld.com/14597/the_sco_zombie_wins_one This is over a month old. Novell has applied for rehearing en banc, asserting that the panel's judgement was in error. The attempted sale of SCO to Steven Norris Capital Partners was denied by the bankruptcy court, essentially finding that there was no "there" there, and that SNCP was NOT a legitimate buyer. Please check Groklaw for more recent news on SCO's litigation and bankruptcy. -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Fri Sep 25 07:14:16 2009 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Fri Sep 25 07:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:51:06 -0700, "Mike Easter" wrote: >Re the relationship between SNCP and SCO... This is old news; the agreement has been denied by the bankruptcy court. Please check the chronology and related stories at Groklaw, which has been keeping close watch on the SCO saga. -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From user at domain.invalid Fri Sep 25 12:07:40 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Sep 25 12:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: bad security software... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > The new laptop came with face recognition software. Advanced security, no > need to use your finger, etc, etc. I couldn't log on this morning - "face > not recognized". My 5 y/o sat down in front of it and it opened right up. > What's wrong with this picture? And, no, he didn't change the settings. > He did, however, play Mahjong for 30 minutes on it yesterday. The > recognition software must be running all of the time - figuring that if > you're using the computer then you must be the owner. Silly software! At least it doesn't call you "Moles". From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 25 12:42:38 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 25 12:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: E?nw? wrote: > "Mike Easter" < >> Re the relationship between SNCP and SCO... > > This is old news; Yes, 2008 Feb as stated. > the agreement has been denied by the bankruptcy court. It seems to me the agreement/relationship is still being considered pertinent - of some value/strategy to SCO - by various current writers. > Please check the chronology and related stories at Groklaw, which has > been keeping close watch on the SCO saga. The initial article which triggered this thread was 'old' 2009 Aug 25. Groklaw has had a lot to say about numerous SCO issues since Aug 25. I haven't yet found the article/place where she/ the web forum/ addresses/discusses the "In an unexpected ruling, the U.S.10th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the 2007 summary judgment" -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net Fri Sep 25 13:43:16 2009 From: DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net (DevilsPGD) Date: Fri Sep 25 13:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: bad security software... References: Message-ID: In message Charles was claimed to have wrote: >The new laptop came with face recognition software. Advanced security, no >need to use your finger, etc, etc. I couldn't log on this morning - "face >not recognized". My 5 y/o sat down in front of it and it opened right up. >What's wrong with this picture? And, no, he didn't change the settings. >He did, however, play Mahjong for 30 minutes on it yesterday. The >recognition software must be running all of the time - figuring that if >you're using the computer then you must be the owner. Silly software! Either that, or you just confirmed he's yours. Congrats! From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Sep 25 17:07:16 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Sep 25 17:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > E?nw? wrote: >> "Mike Easter" < > >>> Re the relationship between SNCP and SCO... >> >> This is old news; > > Yes, 2008 Feb as stated. > >> the agreement has been denied by the bankruptcy court. > > It seems to me the agreement/relationship is still being considered > pertinent - of some value/strategy to SCO - by various current writers. This article sez that the 2008 Feb agreement fell to pieces in 2008 Apr http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695266913,00.html Insolvent SCO scraps its reorganization plan - April 3, 2008 - SCO Group Inc ... has scrapped a $100 million reorganization plan after its financial sponsor asked for a new deal. > "In an unexpected ruling, the U.S.10th Circuit > Court of Appeals reversed the 2007 summary judgment" -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sat Sep 26 01:57:55 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Sep 26 02:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: bad security software... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was Farelf ! > >> At least it doesn't call you "Moles". > > At least... Not yet, it doesn't. Perhaps I'll modify it... > > Still... Of course I don't get the reference. But I did google for it. > So... Without further ado... > http://tinyurl.com/yanw8d9 > Ha ha, that is ingenious (as ever) but seriously you never feel just a little like Miles in "Electric Dreams", with his new computer? I mean computers were never like that back then. But they're a little like it now. Straight out of the box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fD0qbJgZ7Y Unfortunately they don't seem to have it (the movie) in either: http://www.archive.org/details/feature_films http://www.classiccinemaonline.com/1/index.php ... or maybe I didn't look carefully enough. But you can watch it in slices through YouTube. If that's legal in your State. And if you still wanted to after the first 10 minutes. From jzeitlin at spamcop.net Sat Sep 26 12:03:00 2009 From: jzeitlin at spamcop.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?E=F6nw=EB?=) Date: Sat Sep 26 12:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:42:38 -0700, "Mike Easter" wrote: >E?nw? wrote: >> "Mike Easter" < > >>> Re the relationship between SNCP and SCO... >> >> This is old news; > >Yes, 2008 Feb as stated. > >> the agreement has been denied by the bankruptcy court. > >It seems to me the agreement/relationship is still being considered >pertinent - of some value/strategy to SCO - by various current writers. Then those writers are misinformed. SNCP is out of the picture. I stand corrected; the deal was not denied because it "never materialized" See the US Trustee's petition to convert to Chapter 7, 5 May 2009: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009050519075131 There is also the transcript of the 30 March 2009 hearing (posted to GL 10 July 2009), where Adam Lewis, appearing for Novell, says as part of his remarks to the court (p20) "...back in April when the debtor withdrew the SNCP plan, ...". Since this was 30 March 2009, the withdrawal had to have been in April 2008: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090709123944807 Furthermore, 15 June 2009, SCO blindsided the court, the US Trustee, and Novell and IBM with a literally last-minute purchase agreement: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090615195402823 Note that the purchaser in this case is an "Eric LeBlan". If SNCP was still in the picture, why would SCO have signed this agreement? >> Please check the chronology and related stories at Groklaw, which has >> been keeping close watch on the SCO saga. > >The initial article which triggered this thread was 'old' 2009 Aug 25. >Groklaw has had a lot to say about numerous SCO issues since Aug 25. I >haven't yet found the article/place where she/ the web forum/ >addresses/discusses the "In an unexpected ruling, the U.S.10th Circuit >Court of Appeals reversed the 2007 summary judgment" http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090824142203182 PJ is NOT given to sensationalist headlines, and reading ALL of the articles is necessary. Nor was it a full reversal; the court held that Novell was owed the money, but that the APA as amended was sufficiently ambiguous as to require a trial. With respect to that holding, Novell has filed for an en banc rehearing as of 7 Sep 2009: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908210250678 and the court is taking this petition seriously, and on 17 Sep ordered SCO to respond by 1 Oct 2009 (14 days from the order): http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090917155952949 Do you need my assistance with your calculus homework, too? -- E?nw? (SpamCop subscriber, not staff/admin) From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Sep 26 12:34:17 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Sep 26 12:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Who owns UNIX? References: Message-ID: E?nw? wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> The initial article which triggered this thread was 'old' 2009 Aug 25. >> Groklaw has had a lot to say about numerous SCO issues since Aug 25. I >> haven't yet found the article/place where she/ the web forum/ >> addresses/discusses the "In an unexpected ruling, the U.S.10th Circuit >> Court of Appeals reversed the 2007 summary judgment" > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090824142203182 Ah, so. Very good. At last you cite an actual pertinent page addressing FP's article. On that page PJ sez: Basically, we go back to Go, and it's like the judge had denied the summary judgment motions, and it starts back again from there, but with a jury trial instead of just a judge. > Do you need my assistance with your calculus homework, too? Ha. Back when I was doing calculus homework, differential equations was easier than parsing the SCO happenings. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net Sat Sep 26 13:57:05 2009 From: DLipman~nospam~ at Verizon.Net (David H. Lipman) Date: Sat Sep 26 14:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: The need for speed References: Message-ID: From: "Charles" | No way it was me! It was "David H. Lipman" | ! >> You are joking - Right ? | Uh. No. I'm using a real world machine. >> Ultra160 160MB/s >> Ultra320 320MB/s >> Ultra640 640MB/s | That's theory, for one. And my machine is 1 1/2 years old for two. | Regardless, you don't see that kind of performance in the real world | without paying a very high price. >> You don't get it. It doesn't have to be even SCSI. | I'm so not talking SCSI it isn't even funny. I'm talking Windows. | Windows doesn't multi-task. How on earth could an OS that doesn't | multi-task write to different drives at the same time? I'm not falling | for it. Not at all. I'm sorry - I'm done with you right there ! NT Based OS' are indeed multi-tasking operating systems that can deal with symmetrical and asymmetrical multi-processing of data streams. -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 27 08:59:23 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Sep 27 09:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: bad security software... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25.09.2009 06:47, Charles wrote: --- Original Message --- > The new laptop came with face recognition software. Advanced security, no > need to use your finger, etc, etc. I couldn't log on this morning - "face > not recognized". My 5 y/o sat down in front of it and it opened right up. > What's wrong with this picture? And, no, he didn't change the settings. > He did, however, play Mahjong for 30 minutes on it yesterday. The > recognition software must be running all of the time - figuring that if > you're using the computer then you must be the owner. Silly software! Shoulda mooned it and it would have come right up .. :-D From me at privacy.net Mon Sep 28 20:54:25 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Sep 28 20:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Heed help with one of my grand kids. Message-ID: As most here know my kids are foster to adopt. They have two kids the natural way and two adopted with more in the plan. In any case the 15 y.o. is getting a bit creative and doing things no one will approve or tolerate. With her parents permission I've set up a monitor on the house phone and cell phones. I need to set up some sort of key logger or better yet a system where her parents can go back and follow her trail on the computer. I know we cannot follow her on line activities while she is at a friends house so rather than keeping her off the computer at the house I want to put something on the machine that she cannot ID much less remove that will allow her family to keep tabs on the kid. Best if it can be have remote access by to her father and mother's computers. Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. BTW the os are XPhome and Vista. FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Sep 29 04:39:35 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Sep 29 04:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. Perhaps if I knew the details, I would be on the 15 y/o's side. Likely if I were taking bets, I would definitely be betting on that side's ability to defeat the other restrictive spying side. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Sep 29 04:51:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Sep 29 04:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. > > Perhaps if I knew the details, I would be on the 15 y/o's side. > > Likely if I were taking bets, I would definitely be betting on that > side's ability to defeat the other restrictive spying side. That is, instead of skulduggery and sureptitious spying, I recommend an open and honest negotiated settlement/agreement/restrictions with a mutually accepted verification plan for oversight. Parental dishonesty is not a good training environment for 'fostering' healthy character. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Tue Sep 29 07:39:17 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Sep 29 07:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28.09.2009 19:54, Frog Prince wrote: > As most here know my kids are foster to adopt. They have two kids the > natural way and two adopted with more in the plan. > > In any case the 15 y.o. is getting a bit creative and doing things no one > will approve or tolerate. > > With her parents permission I've set up a monitor on the house phone and > cell phones. > > I need to set up some sort of key logger or better yet a system where her > parents can go back and follow her trail on the computer. I know we cannot > follow her on line activities while she is at a friends house so rather than > keeping her off the computer at the house I want to put something on the > machine that she cannot ID much less remove that will allow her family to > keep tabs on the kid. > > Best if it can be have remote access by to her father and mother's > computers. > > Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. > > BTW the os are XPhome and Vista. > > > FP > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com Rather than pushing a morals agenda on you, sure .. http://www.spiesonline.net/monitor.shtml Good stuff From me at privacy.net Tue Sep 29 10:46:39 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Sep 29 10:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h9shq6$fh6$1@news.spamcop.net... : Mike Easter wrote: : > Frog Prince wrote: : > : >> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. : > : > Perhaps if I knew the details, I would be on the 15 y/o's side. : > : Likely if I were taking bets, I would definitely be betting on that : side's ability to defeat the other restrictive spying side. : That is, instead of skullduggery and surreptitious spying, I recommend an : open and honest negotiated settlement/agreement/restrictions with a : mutually accepted verification plan for oversight. : : Parental dishonesty is not a good training environment for 'fostering' : healthy character. Mike, with all due respect, these kids come from an environment where the (current) parent HAS to be proactive in keeping them on the straight and narrow. As to your bet: It is an arms race to be sure but based on my years at this game ... you would lose. The kids that are born into the family or come in as infants are not a problem. It's the older ones, including those just above toddlers, that come in with heavy baggage and without going into details it is seriously heavy baggage. One of my 'grand kids' came to family at the age of 15 with a second grade education but knew how to run a meth lab. CPS had given up on her and wanted to train her to be a maid in a motel. She's in collage now, struggling but making the grade. As Carol O'Connor said "Get between your kid and drugs, any way you can, if you want to save the kid's life". On his son who was supposed to put him under house arrest: "I should have spied on him. I should've taken away all his civil rights, spied on him, opened his mail, listened to telephone calls, everything." We expand than to mean do whatever we can to get between these kids and harms way. Lack of adult supervision, not to mention love, is what got these kids in harms way from the get go. If an apology is needed I'll gladly apologize when the kid is an adult. More than a few are now adults and still part of the extended family. So far no apologies have been necessary. From me at privacy.net Wed Sep 30 14:33:21 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Wed Sep 30 14:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:h9srle$m5p$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 28.09.2009 19:54, Frog Prince wrote: > >> As most here know my kids are foster to adopt. They have two kids the >> natural way and two adopted with more in the plan. >> >> In any case the 15 y.o. is getting a bit creative and doing things no one >> will approve or tolerate. >> >> With her parents permission I've set up a monitor on the house phone and >> cell phones. >> >> I need to set up some sort of key logger or better yet a system where her >> parents can go back and follow her trail on the computer. I know we >> cannot >> follow her on line activities while she is at a friends house so rather >> than >> keeping her off the computer at the house I want to put something on the >> machine that she cannot ID much less remove that will allow her family to >> keep tabs on the kid. >> >> Best if it can be have remote access by to her father and mother's >> computers. >> >> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. >> >> BTW the os are XPhome and Vista. >> >> >> FP >> brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com > > Rather than pushing a morals agenda on you, sure .. > > http://www.spiesonline.net/monitor.shtml > > Good stuff Anon chiming in: Yes you have a problem. I think one of the early posts about 'conversation' and trust is on the point. You will NOT be able to beat him at the computer game - he will outsmart you every time. The modern kids now have their own networking groups that work a lot like the spammers do or let us say how the international arms race works. If one kid knows how to bat your spying, every kid will know how to beat it. All you can hope for is a lot of face to face intervention - just like treating the drunk that will not admit he has a problem. Lots of luck!! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Sep 30 14:41:28 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Wed Sep 30 14:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:h9t6kf$to3$1@news.spamcop.net > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:h9shq6$fh6$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Mike Easter wrote: >>> Frog Prince wrote: >>> >>>> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. >>> >>> Perhaps if I knew the details, I would be on the 15 y/o's side. >>> >> Likely if I were taking bets, I would definitely be betting on that >> side's ability to defeat the other restrictive spying side. > >> That is, instead of skullduggery and surreptitious spying, I >> recommend an open and honest negotiated >> settlement/agreement/restrictions with a mutually accepted >> verification plan for oversight. >> >> Parental dishonesty is not a good training environment for >> 'fostering' healthy character. > > Mike, with all due respect, these kids come from an environment where > the (current) parent HAS to be proactive in keeping them on the > straight and narrow. > > As to your bet: It is an arms race to be sure but based on my years > at this game ... you would lose. > > The kids that are born into the family or come in as infants are not a > problem. It's the older ones, including those just above toddlers, > that come in with heavy baggage and without going into details it is > seriously heavy baggage. > > One of my 'grand kids' came to family at the age of 15 with a second > grade education but knew how to run a meth lab. CPS had given up on > her and wanted to train her to be a maid in a motel. She's in > collage now, struggling but making the grade. > > As Carol O'Connor said "Get between your kid and drugs, any way you > can, if you want to save the kid's life". On his son who was > supposed to put him under house arrest: "I should have spied on him. > I should've taken away all his civil rights, spied on him, opened his > mail, listened to telephone calls, everything." > > We expand than to mean do whatever we > can to get between these kids and harms way. > > Lack of adult supervision, not to mention love, is what got these > kids in harms way from the get go. > > If an apology is needed I'll gladly apologize when the kid is an > adult. More than a few are now adults and still part of the extended > family. So far no apologies have been necessary. I can empathize with you; we did teen fostering too and it really is a tremendous challenge. In the beginning especially all you know about them are the labels the system has put on them. You don't really know whether they have a working conscience or any feeling for right and wrong, let alone where to start in getting in touch with them. As long as you have unconditional love to give, you CAN manage it though, I know! Sometimes it just takes more patience and perseverence than at others. Congrats on a wonderful endeavor. You sound like the kind who, even if you fail, you still succeeded in some good for the kids. Twayne` From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Sep 30 14:52:41 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Wed Sep 30 14:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:ha089k$rmo$1@news.spamcop.net > "User" wrote in message > news:h9srle$m5p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> On 28.09.2009 19:54, Frog Prince wrote: >> >>> As most here know my kids are foster to adopt. They have two kids >>> the natural way and two adopted with more in the plan. >>> >>> In any case the 15 y.o. is getting a bit creative and doing things >>> no one will approve or tolerate. >>> >>> With her parents permission I've set up a monitor on the house >>> phone and cell phones. >>> >>> I need to set up some sort of key logger or better yet a system >>> where her parents can go back and follow her trail on the computer. >>> I know we cannot >>> follow her on line activities while she is at a friends house so >>> rather than >>> keeping her off the computer at the house I want to put something >>> on the machine that she cannot ID much less remove that will allow >>> her family to keep tabs on the kid. >>> >>> Best if it can be have remote access by to her father and mother's >>> computers. >>> >>> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. >>> >>> BTW the os are XPhome and Vista. >>> >>> >>> FP >>> brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com >> >> Rather than pushing a morals agenda on you, sure .. >> >> http://www.spiesonline.net/monitor.shtml >> >> Good stuff > > Anon chiming in: > > Yes you have a problem. > > I think one of the early posts about 'conversation' and trust is on > the point. > > You will NOT be able to beat him at the computer game - he will > outsmart you every time. > > The modern kids now have their own networking groups that work a lot > like the spammers do or let us say how the international arms race > works. > If one kid knows how to bat your spying, every kid will know how to > beat it. > All you can hope for is a lot of face to face intervention - just like > treating the drunk that will not admit he has a problem. > > Lots of luck!! We had a lot of luck with "honest" spying. In other words, we told them we were going to do it, showed them how it worked, and what happened if/when they circumvented it. I disagree that if one kinds knows, they all know. Hell, half of them we fostered had only heard about computers, let alone have any expertise until the schools taught the subjects. They sure do catch on quick, though, and getting caught spying was worse than doing nothing I figured, so ... we went honest with them. One of our proudest moments was when one came to us crying and told us he couldn't do without the computer porn, could we take him to a doctor or something? He knew we'd be putting the consequences on him when we checked the records. Smart as they are, very few know how to forge records and when the consequences for forgery were worse than all the rest ... . Anyway: We did, and it helped him overcome it, but I still froth at the mouth at the hassles Social Services gave us getting permission to see a psychologist or psychiatrist or even an experienced social worker with experience in the field. It's very easy to "lose" these kids. But mainstream wise, they are far from the all are gurus & communicators you've just made them out to be. The kids are great: It's Social Services sucks. Here at least. From me at privacy.net Wed Sep 30 18:37:20 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Sep 30 18:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:ha09df$tcc$1@news.spamcop.net... : "anon" wrote in message : news:ha089k$rmo$1@news.spamcop.net : > "User" wrote in message : > news:h9srle$m5p$1@news.spamcop.net... : >> On 28.09.2009 19:54, Frog Prince wrote: : >> : >>> As most here know my kids are foster to adopt. They have two kids : >>> the natural way and two adopted with more in the plan. : >>> : >>> In any case the 15 y.o. is getting a bit creative and doing things : >>> no one will approve or tolerate. : >>> : >>> With her parents permission I've set up a monitor on the house : >>> phone and cell phones. : >>> : >>> I need to set up some sort of key logger or better yet a system : >>> where her parents can go back and follow her trail on the computer. : >>> I know we cannot : >>> follow her on line activities while she is at a friends house so : >>> rather than : >>> keeping her off the computer at the house I want to put something : >>> on the machine that she cannot ID much less remove that will allow : >>> her family to keep tabs on the kid. : >>> : >>> Best if it can be have remote access by to her father and mother's : >>> computers. : >>> : >>> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. : >>> : >>> BTW the os are XPhome and Vista. : >>> : >>> : >>> FP : >>> brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com : >> : >> Rather than pushing a morals agenda on you, sure .. : >> : >> http://www.spiesonline.net/monitor.shtml : >> : >> Good stuff : > : > Anon chiming in: : > : > Yes you have a problem. : > : > I think one of the early posts about 'conversation' and trust is on : > the point. : > : > You will NOT be able to beat him at the computer game - he will : > outsmart you every time. : > : > The modern kids now have their own networking groups that work a lot : > like the spammers do or let us say how the international arms race : > works. : > If one kid knows how to bat your spying, every kid will know how to : > beat it. : > All you can hope for is a lot of face to face intervention - just like : > treating the drunk that will not admit he has a problem. : > : > Lots of luck!! : : We had a lot of luck with "honest" spying. In other words, we told them : we were going to do it, showed them how it worked, and what happened : if/when they circumvented it. : I disagree that if one kinds knows, they all know. Hell, half of : them we fostered had only heard about computers, let alone have any : expertise until the schools taught the subjects. : They sure do catch on quick, though, and getting caught spying was : worse than doing nothing I figured, so ... we went honest with them. : One of our proudest moments was when one came to us crying and told us : he couldn't do without the computer porn, could we take him to a doctor : or something? He knew we'd be putting the consequences on him when we : checked the records. Smart as they are, very few know how to forge : records and when the consequences for forgery were worse than all the : rest ... . Anyway: We did, and it helped him overcome it, but I still : froth at the mouth at the hassles Social Services gave us getting : permission to see a psychologist or psychiatrist or even an experienced : social worker with experience in the field. It's very easy to "lose" : these kids. But mainstream wise, they are far from the all are gurus & : communicators you've just made them out to be. The kids are great: It's : Social Services sucks. Here at least. That approach works, up to a point and we've use that to good advantage. Beyond that I repost comments: As Carol O'Connor said "Get between your kid and drugs, any way you can, if you want to save the kid's life". On his son who was supposed to put him under house arrest: "I should have spied on him. I should've taken away all his civil rights, spied on him, opened his mail, listened to telephone calls, everything." If we try and fail so be it, but if we don't try we fail by default and I'm not prepared for that eventuality. FWIW this process is intended to collect intel that can be used in conjunction with other sources to address the problems. In the end it's the custodial parents that must make the call. From me at privacy.net Wed Sep 30 18:48:59 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Sep 30 18:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Heed help with one of my grand kids. References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:ha08of$snl$2@news.spamcop.net... : "Frog Prince" wrote in message : news:h9t6kf$to3$1@news.spamcop.net : > "Mike Easter" wrote in message : > news:h9shq6$fh6$1@news.spamcop.net... : >> Mike Easter wrote: : >>> Frog Prince wrote: : >>> : >>>> Any suggestions recommendations etc are most welcome. : >>> : >>> Perhaps if I knew the details, I would be on the 15 y/o's side. : >>> : >> Likely if I were taking bets, I would definitely be betting on that : >> side's ability to defeat the other restrictive spying side. : > : >> That is, instead of skullduggery and surreptitious spying, I : >> recommend an open and honest negotiated : >> settlement/agreement/restrictions with a mutually accepted : >> verification plan for oversight. : >> : >> Parental dishonesty is not a good training environment for : >> 'fostering' healthy character. : > : > Mike, with all due respect, these kids come from an environment where : > the (current) parent HAS to be proactive in keeping them on the : > straight and narrow. : > : > As to your bet: It is an arms race to be sure but based on my years : > at this game ... you would lose. : > : > The kids that are born into the family or come in as infants are not a : > problem. It's the older ones, including those just above toddlers, : > that come in with heavy baggage and without going into details it is : > seriously heavy baggage. : > : > One of my 'grand kids' came to family at the age of 15 with a second : > grade education but knew how to run a meth lab. CPS had given up on : > her and wanted to train her to be a maid in a motel. She's in : > collage now, struggling but making the grade. : > : > As Carol O'Connor said "Get between your kid and drugs, any way you : > can, if you want to save the kid's life". On his son who was : > supposed to put him under house arrest: "I should have spied on him. : > I should've taken away all his civil rights, spied on him, opened his : > mail, listened to telephone calls, everything." : > : > We expand than to mean do whatever we : > can to get between these kids and harms way. : > : > Lack of adult supervision, not to mention love, is what got these : > kids in harms way from the get go. : > : > If an apology is needed I'll gladly apologize when the kid is an : > adult. More than a few are now adults and still part of the extended : > family. So far no apologies have been necessary. : : I can empathize with you; we did teen fostering too and it really is a : tremendous challenge. In the beginning especially all you know about : them are the labels the system has put on them. You don't really know : whether they have a working conscience or any feeling for right and : wrong, let alone where to start in getting in touch with them. As long : as you have unconditional love to give, you CAN manage it though, I : know! Sometimes it just takes more patience and perseverance than at : others. : Congrats on a wonderful endeavor. You sound like the kind who, even if : you fail, you still succeeded in some good for the kids. : : Twayne` You can't trust the system either, something we learned from the very first day. One child had very serious problems that cps knew about. They removed the data for the records we were offered in order to place the child. Home placement was 1/10 of what it cost their budget for proper placement. On the plus side we had one child that should have been a medical placement. Circumstance were such that we had previous personal experience with one of our own kids. (CPS did not know that) End result the kid thrived and was retuned to his birth family. I should note the mother realized she did not have the resources to take care of the child and the only way the family could keep the kid alive was by surrendering the kid to CPS. A classic case of why we need universal health care in the USA. There is more on both but I can't go into that on line.