From avoozl at spamcop.net Sun Nov 1 04:38:46 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sun Nov 1 04:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hcgbfp$6ga$2@news.spamcop.net... > I have defrag scheduled for every night, and I double-checked to make sure > it was working. Shouldn't need to defrag more than once a week at best. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Nov 1 10:35:59 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Nov 1 10:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hcgbfp$6ga$2@news.spamcop.net... >> I have defrag scheduled for every night, and I double-checked to make sure >> it was working. > > Shouldn't need to defrag more than once a week at best. :) > > Well it's automatic...keeps tabs on how fragmented the drive is and defrags as needed. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Nov 1 16:48:05 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sun Nov 1 16:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Chris F. Willoughby wrote: >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:hcgbfp$6ga$2@news.spamcop.net... >>> I have defrag scheduled for every night, and I double-checked to >>> make sure it was working. >> >> Shouldn't need to defrag more than once a week at best. :) >> >> > > Well it's automatic...keeps tabs on how fragmented the drive is and > defrags as needed. I do that too. 5 drive letters, 2 physical internal drives: At 15% or above it defrags; else it does nothing. External 1.0Terabyte drives, 2 of them, I degrag at 8%; it's a lot more data to move on those. My rationalization is to defrag while it still takes a short length of time. The more fragmentation, the longer it takes to defrag. That way it can be done overnights right along with the AV scans, spyware scans, updates, etc.. Then you only have to check now and then to be certain they're all running as scheduled. I'm not one to wait & watch things once I know they work OK as planned. Regards, Twayne` From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Nov 1 16:59:50 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sun Nov 1 17:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Farelf wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> >>> Yeah pretty sure it's a drive performance issue and not any specific >>> program. It is an overall slowdown of hard drive data transfer >>> speed, which seemed to happen out of the blue. There aren't any >>> programs specifically that are causing problems, everything seems >>> slower. >> >> That's lousy. Sounds like you should test your drives to confirm or >> eliminate those performance factors. Doesn't seem all that likely >> but it should be easy enough to look at in any event. Looks like >> there's plenty of freeware around - maybe look at the list offered >> up at: >> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/f/testharddrive.htm > > Ran SiSoft Sandra and did benchmarking of the drives and the > filesystems. Long story short, the numbers appear good. I'm now > disabling various on-access spyware and virus scanners, although they > had previously been running fine without slowing down the system. > > Perhaps I'm simply imagining it and the computer is running like it > always has. Hmm... > > > Anyways, here's what I got for raw drive read performance: > > Drive 1: > > SiSoftware Sandra > > Benchmark Results > Drive Index : 62.3MB/s > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > Random Access Time : 19.41ms > Results Interpretation : Lower index values are better. > > > Drive 2: > > SiSoftware Sandra > > Benchmark Results > Drive Index : 65.27MB/s > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > Random Access Time : 20.5ms > Results Interpretation : Lower index values are better. > > > > And now the filesystems: > > Drive 1: > > SiSoftware Sandra > > Benchmark Results > Drive Index : 52.88MB/s > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > Random Access Time : 8ms > Results Interpretation : Lower index values are better. > > Performance vs. Speed > Drive Index : 7.52kB/s/rpm > Random Access Time : 0.001ms/rpm > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > > Detailed Benchmark Results > Buffered Read : 187.65MB/s > Sequential Read : 60.88MB/s > Random Read : 41MB/s > Buffered Write : 142.88MB/s > Sequential Write : 60.9MB/s > Random Write : 40.16MB/s > Random Access Time : 8ms > > > Drive 2: > > SiSoftware Sandra > > Benchmark Results > Drive Index : 62.36MB/s > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > Random Access Time : 7.7ms > Results Interpretation : Lower index values are better. > > Performance vs. Speed > Drive Index : 8.87kB/s/rpm > Random Access Time : 0.001ms/rpm > Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better. > > Detailed Benchmark Results > Buffered Read : 183.23MB/s > Sequential Read : 72.3MB/s > Random Read : 46.45MB/s > Buffered Write : 180.38MB/s > Sequential Write : 71.4MB/s > Random Write : 52.86MB/s > Random Access Time : 7.7ms Off the top of my head, are you sure you don't have background tasks like Indexing, AV scans, spy scans, etc. running? IMO, unless/until you pin down some actual recorded diffs, you're pushing on a brick wall when instead you only n eed to pull on one brick. I'd start by getting a handle on the actual measured processor speed during the good and the bad states, noting the time something goes slow and checking that same time and prior to it in Event Viewer looking for hints, and maybe think about the possibility that you've either been zombied or turned into an occasional-use zombie, the newest thing. The only way to see those will be with port audits; they won't show up in firewalls and modem records but sometimes are noticeable in NAT router tables if you're sure WHEN you weren't at the machine. Check carefully into any events that occur when you're not at the machine, or things that queue when you're not online, things like that. Learn how to do audits; then any that show a lot of online activity by "system" or any other part than YOU, you'll have a list of suspects too. However, from your many caveats, I'm not convinced that you're even convinced you have any kind of a problem. You can't fix a problem you can't define. HTH, Twayne` From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Nov 1 22:31:37 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Nov 1 22:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: > > Off the top of my head, are you sure you don't have background tasks > like Indexing, AV scans, spy scans, etc. running? Turned off indexing...my scheduled scans are done at night, all I have running are the on-access scanners which I neutered. > > IMO, unless/until you pin down some actual recorded diffs, you're > pushing on a brick wall when instead you only n eed to pull on one > brick. Or as the case may be with any Microsoft product, bring in the wrecking ball. > I'd start by getting a handle on the actual measured processor speed > during the good and the bad states, noting the time something goes slow > and checking that same time and prior to it in Event Viewer looking > for hints, and maybe think about the possibility that you've either > been zombied or turned into an occasional-use zombie, the newest thing. > The only way to see those will be with port audits; they won't show up > in firewalls and modem records but sometimes are noticeable in NAT > router tables if you're sure WHEN you weren't at the machine. Check > carefully into any events that occur when you're not at the machine, or > things that queue when you're not online, things like that. Only things showing up in the logs are WAN reconnection attempts, DHCP leases, and the occasional TWINGE attack. Scans with AVG, Adaware, Spybot, Windows Defender, and Windows Live all show negative for any Malware. > > However, from your many caveats, I'm not convinced that you're even > convinced you have any kind of a problem. You can't fix a problem you > can't define. > Very true. Since I started shutting down Firefox when I run other programs such as games, the problem seems to have been reduced. As we speak, it's hogging 491mb of memory. So maybe that's it. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 15:10:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:15:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hcidmp$r2m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well one possibility...I noticed Firefox was hogging over 500mb of memory. > That might do it... That's low for me! When I have Ameritrade's Streamer app running (which is every business day) FF will take as much as 800-900 MB of total memory (internal + private), depending on how many streaming windows I have open at the time. Makes my swap file usage pretty high since I only have 2 GB of RAM installed. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 2 15:52:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 2 15:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Page file weirdness... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hcipg9$3gh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, it wouldn't be helping and maybe it is a matter of one step at a > time to lick this thing. My sessions (version 3.5.4) start at about > 70,000k and build fairly quickly to over 100,000k - 115,000k with just a > single tab in use. I have just seven extensions and fifteen plugins. The > FFx support page may help you reduce: > > http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/High+memory+usage?style_mode=inproduct&s=memory%20usage Thanks for the link! I've been adding plug-ins and extensions for a while without ever giving thought as to how much memory they might consume. I just went thru my add-on and plugin lists and discovered duplicate apps, ones I've never used, and such. I probably had at least 30 in total, I just disabled about 1/2 of them. It'll be interesting to see what my memory usage is after I close down FF and restart...I also installed a new add-on described in that article, RAMBack, which can recover RAM held in memory as "reserve" but otherwise unused. Ok, right now I have 6 tabs and XM streaming audio going, plus Ameritrade streamer with 5 associated windows (real time stock charts), and FF is taking 672 MB of memory (why hell is AVG Resident Shield consuming 22% of my CPU usage?). Quit FF, clear out the RAM with TaskInfo....got 200 MB back.....restart FF....WOW....FF is now only using 540 MB, a reduction of 20% in memory usage, just from disabling all the unused add-ons! BTW, the RAMBack add-on doesn't seem to work, at least in FF 3.5.2......lots of complaints in the "reviews" section that RAMBack doesn't work on some systems, but it should work on mine? From DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net Mon Nov 2 17:16:33 2009 From: DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net (DevilsPGD) Date: Mon Nov 2 17:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Exp using ram disks with win7 64, anyone? References: <432me51ml385irgtjf43s5nhf6dfn25h0t@4ax.com> Message-ID: <3hhue51q5iaaufvir2oteu03dj8a3q5ub0@4ax.com> In message AndrewB was claimed to have wrote: >DevilsPGD wrote: >> In message AndrewB >> was claimed to have wrote: >> >>> Smartdrv was useful for creating small RAM disks back in the day. On >>> machines I admin'd as an intern, I'd move command.com, autoexec.bat and >>> config.sys to the RAM drive to prevent any errant virus from doing >>> serious damage to the system's ability to boot. >> >> Smartdrv was a disk caching system and had nothing to do with RAM disks. > >Ah yes, you are correct. I had a memory failure. I do recall a >smartdrv issue in that early versions had lazy writing - which was an >issue if the machine hung before the cache was flushed. > >But even so, things like RAM disks and smartdrv might only make a >difference when one's machine has more memory than the OS can handle, >such as beyond 4GB in a 32-bit OS. huh? If you more RAM, then your system can handle, by definition your system can't use it. RAM disks and caching don't use >4GB either (or rather, don't use >3.2GB, on most x86 systems) Things were a little different in the DOS days when you had smaller pools of memory (conventional, high, EMS and XMS), you could max out your convention or EMS (usually with emm386 emulating EMS with XMS) and be "out of memory" while having plenty of XMS memory available. In Windows (and all modern OSes) it's a different ballpark entirely. Caching makes a *huge* performance difference and are about as opposite from "might only make a difference..." statements as possible. Most modern OSes do a very good job at caching effectively with unused memory, releasing it to applications as needed, but free memory is wasted memory, you may as well use it for something, even better if you can use it to boost performance without a substantial downside. From joegill at removethis Sun Nov 1 21:31:34 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Nov 2 18:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Exp using ram disks with win7 64, anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <432me51ml385irgtjf43s5nhf6dfn25h0t@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CB632A7752FBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was AndrewB ! > >> But even so, things like RAM disks and smartdrv might only make a >> difference when one's machine has more memory than the OS can handle, >> such as beyond 4GB in a 32-bit OS. > > So I should just return the RAM? I mean... I run a monster workstation > with 3 huge monitors and tons of programs and whatnot but I don't even use > the 3.5GB of RAM that the OS presently has access to... What % of the physical memory does task manager say is in use? Also, look at it this way, when you start new programs, the programs can stay resident in memory. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 4 19:53:33 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Nov 4 19:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] ghost/clone a hard drive Message-ID: Any recommendations for s/w to clone a hard drive on a windows system? I used ghost a lot of years ago but I wondered if there was anything not norton around that does this -- free would be good but not mandatory :-) TIA Ellen From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Nov 4 21:51:35 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Nov 4 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > Any recommendations for s/w to clone a hard drive on a windows system? I > used ghost a lot of years ago but I wondered if there was anything not > norton around that does this -- free would be good but not mandatory :-) Two recent useful messages from the group alt.comp.freeware. Most of those folks know a lot about freeware. Altho' the first one was a response to someone wanting to image or clone Win7, it was a thorough response, and one of the links is to a nice article discussing terms like clone vs image. It is useful to visit/scan the links he provided. The second one was a reply which appeared in a thread about solving a driveimage problem (I've used old DriveImage in the past and the Acronis off a Hiren's Boot Disk more recently), but he ended up saying what he is using now instead of TrueImage and why he likes Macrium Reflect and Cobian Backup. Hiren's has a lot of nice utilities on it; my philosophy is that if you like it and use it, then you should buy the real thing :-) If you are aiming to get Hiren's to look at some utilities such as that or others such as partition ware, be careful where you get it. That torrent world is in a mess lately with the changes affected by Pirate Bay. The a.c.f people are strongly against any kind of piracy or even any kind of freeware which is contaminated by non-free factors. snurled GG link http://snipr.com/t2ajn Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware Subject: Re: Windows 7 disk cloning freeware Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:23:33 +0900 Message-ID: http://snipr.com/t2al8 Subject: Re: Help with DriveImage XML please. Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:08:41 +0100 Message-ID: <552.1255921727.20091019@spam-free.org.uk> -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Nov 4 22:08:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Nov 4 22:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > what he is using now instead of > TrueImage and why he likes Macrium Reflect and Cobian Backup. Acronis True Image is not (normally) freeware, but it periodically releases a free 'edition' and has payware free trial. Macrium has a free and pay version with free trial. Cobian Backup is a useful backup utility but not clone/imager. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 5 00:03:50 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Nov 5 00:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] XP / XP master slave set up. Message-ID: I have a Dell lap Inspiron 710m lap top that has been used by a student who is to say the least not real up on security. Long story short it's been hammered by some serious malware and I can't do much in the way of recovery. I can't get to safe mode, can't do a reformat etc. Is there any practical way I can slave the laptop to another computer so I can use the second machine (XP home) as a master to run various av/malware, etc. scans with an eye to recovering data and stored files then do a reformat and reinstall of the OS? Kid is donating the use of lap top to one of my hospice patients who is in hospital. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 00:19:09 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Wazoo) Date: Thu Nov 5 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:hct7ig$tps$1@news.spamcop.net... > Any recommendations for s/w to clone a hard drive on a windows > system? I These days, specifying just what version of Windows is a must. Lots of tools exist for older versions, but Vista changed loads of things, to say the least. > used ghost a lot of years ago but I wondered if there was anything > not norton around that does this -- free would be good but not > mandatory :-) Most Linux distro (live) CD's these days include tools that cam accomplish this. Some command-line based, others have a GUI. Use of these tools also works around fighting with Windows over issues with permissions, open/locked files, etc. http://distrowatch.com/ for some descriptions, reviews, links, etc. http://partedmagic.com/ includes many tools http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page many tools and of course, the best for last ... http://www.clonezilla.org/ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 01:04:24 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Wazoo) Date: Thu Nov 5 01:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: XP / XP master slave set up. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hctmcj$3kd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I can't get to safe mode, can't do a reformat etc. Is there any > practical > way I can slave the laptop to another computer so I can use the > second > machine (XP home) as a master to run various av/malware, etc. > scans with an > eye to recovering data and stored files then do a reformat and > reinstall of > the OS? The 'easiest' way to 'slave' the drive is to snag a 2.5" to 3.5" drive adaptor and physically mount the laptop drive into the desktop. For example; http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HD-108&cat=HDD although the brackets seem like ocerkill for such a short-term project. The next 'easiest' way is to once again remove the laptop drive and toss it into an external 2.5" drive case and connect it to the other computer, be it via USB or firewire. A bit more expensive than the above. See my last reply to Ellen's post about cloning a drive. Many Linux (live) CD's these days include the ClamAV tool. Updating the database to the lastest version can be an issue when running off the CD, but it should at least get you started. http://www.clamav.net/download/packages/packages-linux From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 07:20:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Thu Nov 5 08:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Two recent useful messages from the group alt.comp.freeware. Most of > those folks know a lot about freeware. > > Altho' the first one was a response to someone wanting to image or clone > Win7, it was a thorough response, and one of the links is to a nice > article discussing terms like clone vs image. It is useful to > visit/scan the links he provided. The second one was a reply which > appeared in a thread about solving a driveimage problem (I've used old > DriveImage in the past and the Acronis off a Hiren's Boot Disk more > recently), but he ended up saying what he is using now instead of > TrueImage and why he likes Macrium Reflect and Cobian Backup. > > Hiren's has a lot of nice utilities on it; my philosophy is that if you > like it and use it, then you should buy the real thing :-) If you are > aiming to get Hiren's to look at some utilities such as that or others > such as partition ware, be careful where you get it. That torrent world > is in a mess lately with the changes affected by Pirate Bay. > > The a.c.f people are strongly against any kind of piracy or even any > kind of freeware which is contaminated by non-free factors. > > > snurled GG link http://snipr.com/t2ajn > Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware > Subject: Re: Windows 7 disk cloning freeware > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:23:33 +0900 > Message-ID: > > http://snipr.com/t2al8 > Subject: Re: Help with DriveImage XML please. > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:08:41 +0100 > Message-ID: <552.1255921727.20091019@spam-free.org.uk> > > > > Thanks! and yes I am strongly against piracy also :-) Ellen From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 07:22:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Thu Nov 5 08:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wazoo wrote: > > These days, specifying just what version of Windows is a must. Lots > of tools exist for older versions, but Vista changed loads of > things, to say the least. XP professional svc pk 2 > > > Most Linux distro (live) CD's these days include tools that cam > accomplish this. Some command-line based, others have a GUI. Use > of these tools also works around fighting with Windows over issues > with permissions, open/locked files, etc. > > http://distrowatch.com/ for some descriptions, reviews, links, etc. > http://partedmagic.com/ includes many tools > http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page many tools > and of course, the best for last ... > http://www.clonezilla.org/ > > thanks! Ellen From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 08:54:39 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Nov 5 08:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > Any recommendations for s/w to clone a hard drive on a windows system? I > used ghost a lot of years ago but I wondered if there was anything not > norton around that does this -- free would be good but not mandatory :-) Check out Clonezilla: http://clonezilla.org/ You need to be comfortable with a text-based slightly-geek-oriented interface, but it works like a charm. (And it's free.) ===== What is Clonezilla? You're probably familiar with the popular proprietary commercial package Norton Ghost?, and its OpenSource counterpart, Partition Image. The problem with these software packages is that it takes a lot of time to massively clone systems to many computers. You've probably also heard of Symantec's solution to this problem, Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition? with multicasting. Well, now there is an OpenSource clone system (OCS) solution called Clonezilla with unicasting and multicasting! Clonezilla, based on DRBL, Partition Image, ntfsclone, partclone, and udpcast, allows you to do bare metal backup and recovery. Two types of Clonezilla are available, Clonezilla live and Clonezilla SE (server edition). Clonezilla live is suitable for single machine backup and restore. While Clonezilla SE is for massive deployment, it can clone many (40 plus!) computers simultaneously. Clonezilla saves and restores only used blocks in the harddisk. This increases the clone efficiency. At the NCHC's Classroom C, Clonezilla SE was used to clone 41 computers simultaneously. It took only about 10 minutes to clone a 5.6 GBytes system image to all 41 computers via multicasting! -- Kenneth Brody From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 09:00:03 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Nov 5 09:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: XP / XP master slave set up. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I have a Dell lap Inspiron 710m lap top that has been used by a student who > is to say the least not real up on security. > > Long story short it's been hammered by some serious malware and I can't do > much in the way of recovery. > > I can't get to safe mode, can't do a reformat etc. Is there any practical > way I can slave the laptop to another computer so I can use the second > machine (XP home) as a master to run various av/malware, etc. scans with an > eye to recovering data and stored files then do a reformat and reinstall of > the OS? > > Kid is donating the use of lap top to one of my hospice patients who is in > hospital. From a "clean" XP system, get a copy of Ultimate Boot CD for Windows: http://www.ubcd4win.com/ Make the CD, making sure to include MalwareBytes AntiMalware and Super-AntiSpyware. Then, boot the CD on the laptop, and load the network drivers when prompted. Run MalwareBytes and Super-AntiSpyware, and have them update themselves. While not perfect, this should get the system "working" again, to the point where you can boot it and run more cleaning utilities. -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 10:08:52 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Thu Nov 5 10:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ghost/clone a hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > > Check out Clonezilla: > > http://clonezilla.org/ > > You need to be comfortable with a text-based slightly-geek-oriented > interface, but it works like a charm. (And it's free.) > TY! Ellen From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 13:48:29 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 5 13:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Surprise windows update? Message-ID: Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a suprise Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or noise about an emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated computers) From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Thu Nov 5 16:36:25 2009 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Thu Nov 5 16:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a suprise > Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or noise about an > emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated computers) Got "Update for Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP (KB976749)" on a couple machines here. -JW From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 5 18:27:35 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 5 18:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: "J. Weaver Jr." wrote in message news:hcvggo$omo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bar0 wrote: >> Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a >> suprise >> Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or noise about >> an >> emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated computers) > > Got "Update for Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP (KB976749)" on a couple > machines here. -JW Wierd since I have IE8 From bert at iphouse.com Thu Nov 5 19:03:15 2009 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Thu Nov 5 19:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: In news:hcvn18$s6s$1@news.spamcop.net "Bar0" wrote: > > "J. Weaver Jr." wrote in message > news:hcvggo$omo$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Bar0 wrote: >>> Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a >>> suprise >>> Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or noise >>> about an >>> emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated >>> computers) >> >> Got "Update for Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP (KB976749)" on a >> couple machines here. -JW > > Wierd since I have IE8 Then you probably got an update for IE8. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From user at domain.invalid Thu Nov 5 21:55:01 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Thu Nov 5 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > Bar0 wrote: >> Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated computers) > > Got "Update for Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP (KB976749)" on a > couple machines here. -JW I got Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP (KB976749) on Tuesday, 3 November 2009 but also Security Update for Microsoft XML Core Services 4.0 Service Pack 2 (KB954430) on Monday, 2 November 2009. I will be glad when 20 November is out of the way - I got a whole bunch date-stamped so ages ago (Feb or March, I guess) and they annoyingly sit at the top of my update history. From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 5 22:26:16 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Nov 5 22:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hd0363$mb$1@news.spamcop.net... : J. Weaver Jr. wrote: : > Bar0 wrote: : : >> Am I the only one? (actually on 3 unrelated computers) : > : > Got "Update for Internet Explorer 6 for Windows XP (KB976749)" on a : > couple machines here. -JW : : I got Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP (KB976749) on : Tuesday, 3 November 2009 but also Security Update for Microsoft XML Core : Services 4.0 Service Pack 2 (KB954430) on Monday, 2 November 2009. : : I will be glad when 20 November is out of the way - I got a whole bunch : date-stamped so ages ago (Feb or March, I guess) and they annoyingly sit : at the top of my update history. What happens on 20, Nov? From user at domain.invalid Fri Nov 6 06:31:40 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Nov 6 06:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Farelf" wrote in message > news:hd0363$mb$1@news.spamcop.net... > : > : I will be glad when 20 November is out of the way - I got a whole bunch > : date-stamped so ages ago (Feb or March, I guess) and they annoyingly sit > : at the top of my update history. > > What happens on 20, Nov? > > Nothing - it is just that then the calendar will have caught up and those updates will no longer be squatting at the top of the update list thereafter. The puzzle is why were they date-stamped 20 November in the first place. I have 915 files and 540 folders dated 8 September 2030 which I guess is something done by whoever installed Windows on my machine since that includes all the essential directory structure. I have 168 files and 296 folders date-stamped 20 November 2009 and I have no idea how or when that all happened. These are mostly to do with applications. It is only when I pull up my update history at the WU page that I see any of this in the normal course of events. Just as well, I wouldn't want to be hanging around until 8 September 2030 for those others to get out of the way. At my present rate of decrepitude that would be an unlikely confluence of timelines :) But I might (just) make 20 November, inshallah. From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Fri Nov 6 19:50:44 2009 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Fri Nov 6 19:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] ZIP 100 Message-ID: Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some 3½ floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy drive just to retreive it. Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash for a finite project? -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4580 (20091106) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 20:02:25 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 6 20:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "dwacon" wrote in message news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... > Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some 3? > floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. > > The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my > machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy > drive just to retreive it. > > Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash for a > finite project? Find a pack rat friend that still has operating devices to read your disks? I could read your 3.5 floppies on my ancient basement PC, but not the ZIP disks. Betcha dollars to donuts that the hubby of S-kat from .social has a functioning ZIP drive in their house ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Nov 6 21:14:09 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Wazoo) Date: Fri Nov 6 21:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: "dwacon" wrote in message news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... > Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and > some 3½ floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG > gone. > > The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my > machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or > floppy drive just to retreive it. > > Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big > cash for a finite project? Advertise somewhere, asking for help perhaps? You posted here, I saw, and can state that I do have an ancient HP tower with the devices required. A brother dropped it off a couple of years back, assured me that everything worked, it was just slow as heck (virii/malware/etc. removal cleared most of that up) However, I can't actually verify that the ZIP drive really does currently work, never having bothered with trying to score disks. An offer to help is made, but ????? From loyal at spamcop.user Sat Nov 7 00:47:21 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Nov 7 00:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bar0 wrote: > Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a > suprise Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or > noise about an emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 > unrelated computers) A problem in Internet Explorer. My XP got a patch for IE8, and my 2000 box got a patch for IE6. I had to reboot for XP, but not for 2000. The problem was urgent enough for Microsoft to push the patch out of their routine monthly schedule. 6 patches come out on Tuesday the 10th, according to a recent Computerworld article. AndrewB From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 01:30:27 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 01:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > "dwacon" wrote in message > news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some >> 3? floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. >> >> The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my >> machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy >> drive just to retreive it. >> >> Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash >> for a finite project? > > Find a pack rat friend that still has operating devices to read your > disks? I could read your 3.5 floppies on my ancient basement PC, but not > the ZIP disks. Betcha dollars to donuts that the hubby of S-kat from > .social has a functioning ZIP drive in their house ;-) I have a zip drive working as we speak. :) From user at domain.invalid Sat Nov 7 01:58:47 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sat Nov 7 02:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Indigo wrote: >> >> "dwacon" wrote in message >> news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and >>> some 3? floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. >>> >>> The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my >>> machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or >>> floppy drive just to retreive it. >>> >>> Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash >>> for a finite project? >> >> Find a pack rat friend that still has operating devices to read your >> disks? I could read your 3.5 floppies on my ancient basement PC, but >> not the ZIP disks. Betcha dollars to donuts that the hubby of S-kat >> from .social has a functioning ZIP drive in their house ;-) > > I have a zip drive working as we speak. :) Remembering that the 250 drive will handle the 100 disks just fine. But beware the 'click of death'. Steve Gibson used to have a handy utility to tackle that, if addressed before it got too extreme. I only lost 1 disk in some 5 years of using those things. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 7 10:06:01 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 7 10:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: "dwacon" wrote in message news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... : Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some 3½ : floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. : : The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my : machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy drive : just to retreive it. : : Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash for a : finite project? I likely have a few 3.5 drives floating around. Push come to shove I can pull one out of a working but out of service legacy computer. Might even have a zip drive or two but I'll have to dig for those. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 7 11:07:49 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 7 11:10:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Indigo wrote: >> "dwacon" >>> The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my >>> machines... >> Find a pack rat friend that still has operating devices to read your >> disks? > I have a zip drive working as we speak. :) me too :-) It is in that Win98 & Puppy linux rig right behind me that has some kind of strange hardware problem which surfaces very intermittently in an attempt to make me crazy. But it is old and over-the-hill and just about the time - every time - I say out loud, "I'm going to disassemble that thing and junk most of that hardware." .... it says in its own silent language, "Disassemble?! Disassemble!? No disassemble Number (Two)!!" and starts working properly again for a month. Paraphrased from the little robot in the '86 Ally Sheedy movie "Short Circuit" The robot was number Five, but that computer is the 2nd one I built long ago. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 12:45:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Nov 7 12:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: I'm glad you posted because I have one sitting and waiting to be installed, too. 3 Updates for XP Pro: 1. .NET framework 2.0 KB 974417 2. Update to .NET framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Assistant KB 963707 and 3. Update to win XP KB 961118 I'm holding on installing them because the timing is odd and there's been no talka bout it. It's easy enough to check at MS to see if they're "real" and whether I already have them. The KBs will usually explain what's up. Twayne In news:hd31l7$2e4$1@news.spamcop.net, AndrewB typed: > Bar0 wrote: >> Folks, It's not patch Tuesday, but yesterday afternoon I received a >> suprise Windows update (I have XP). I don;t see any announcements or >> noise about an emergency patch. Am I the only one? (actually on 3 >> unrelated computers) > > A problem in Internet Explorer. My XP got a patch for IE8, and my > 2000 box got a patch for IE6. I had to reboot for XP, but not for > 2000. > The problem was urgent enough for Microsoft to push the patch out of > their routine monthly schedule. > > 6 patches come out on Tuesday the 10th, according to a recent > Computerworld article. > > > AndrewB From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 13:12:58 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 13:15:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > Paraphrased from the little robot in the '86 Ally Sheedy movie "Short > Circuit" The robot was number Five, but that computer is the 2nd one I > built long ago. > "Hey Laser-lips, your momma was a snowblower! *pthhhhhhhh*" I love that movie. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 15:33:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 15:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:hd4bnj$l96$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm glad you posted because I have one sitting and waiting to be > installed, too. 3 Updates for XP Pro: > 1. .NET framework 2.0 KB 974417 > 2. Update to .NET framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Assistant KB 963707 Question about the .NET framework 3.5 package -- I also have the update sitting in queue to install, but first I checked to see what that app actually does, and do I need it on my PC? From what I found, it's only used by software developers and for "normal" users there's no purpose in having it installed.....so I wiped it out about an hour ago. I didn't do something stupid, did I? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 17:44:58 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Nov 7 17:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: In news:hd4lj7$otc$1@news.spamcop.net, Indigo typed: > "Twayne" wrote in message > news:hd4bnj$l96$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm glad you posted because I have one sitting and waiting to be >> installed, too. 3 Updates for XP Pro: >> 1. .NET framework 2.0 KB 974417 >> 2. Update to .NET framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Assistant KB 963707 > > Question about the .NET framework 3.5 package -- I also have the > update sitting in queue to install, but first I checked to see what > that app actually does, and do I need it on my PC? From what I found, > it's only used by software developers and for "normal" users there's > no purpose in having it installed.....so I wiped it out about an hour > ago. I didn't do something stupid, did I? I don't think so ... you'll probably find out eventually. Even if you set it to not offer it to you again, you can always tell it to "unhide" the downloads you said not to offer again and update will reoffer it. I looked thru it too, and I'm not sure whether it's needed or not but I allowed it. I'm rebuilding the software on a new machine so I'm checking every one that comes in. You should get a message about corruption or a file missing if it turns out it's needed later on. BTW: Anyone wishing to get XP pre-installed on machines, most major companies seem to still be offering it. I got XP Pro pre-installed along with a "free" (my ass!) set of upgrade discs to win7. December is the cutoff date for offering the pre-installed XP but they don't say whehter it's the first or 31st, meaning it's probably the first. XP can really scream on a machine built for win7!! Cheers, Twayne` From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 19:19:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:hd4t9g$sfm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Question about the .NET framework 3.5 package -- I also have the >> update sitting in queue to install, but first I checked to see what >> that app actually does, and do I need it on my PC? From what I found, >> it's only used by software developers and for "normal" users there's >> no purpose in having it installed.....so I wiped it out about an hour >> ago. I didn't do something stupid, did I? > > I don't think so ... you'll probably find out eventually. Well, it appears that I do need it, everyone on a winbloze machine needs it. It's MS's version of Java, so some apps won't run without the .NET framework. From wiki: Some concerns and criticism relating to .NET include: * Applications running in a managed environment tend to require more system resources than similar applications that access machine resources more directly. * Since CIL is easier to reverse-engineer than native code, there is concern over possible loss of trade secrets and the bypassing of license control mechanisms. Many obfuscation techniques already developed can help to prevent this; Microsoft's Visual Studio 2005 (and newer) includes such a tool. All "managed" (i.e. interpreted) languages have this limitation, including Java. * Newer versions of the framework (3.5 and up) are not pre-installed in versions of Windows below Windows 7. For this reason, applications must lead users without the framework through a procedure to install it. Some developers have expressed concerns about the large size and reliability of .NET framework runtime installers for end-users. The size is around 54 MB for .NET 3.0, 197 MB for .NET 3.5, and 250 MB for .NET 3.5 SP1 (while using web installer the typical download for Windows XP is around 50 MB, for Windows Vista - 20 MB). The size issue is partially solved with .NET 4.0 installer (x86 + x64) being 54 MB. o The first service pack for version 3.5 mitigates this concern by offering a lighter-weight client-only subset of the full .NET Framework. Two significant limitations should be noted, though.[50] Firstly, the client-only subset is only an option on an existing Windows XP SP2 system that currently has no other version of the .NET framework installed. In all other scenarios, the client-only installer will install the full version of the .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. Secondly, the client-only framework does not have a 64-bit option. However, the 4.0 release of the .NET Framework Client Profile will be available on all operating systems and all architectures (excluding ia64) supported by the full .NET Framework.[51] From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 19:26:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Nov 7 19:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd52pt$uma$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, it appears that I do need it, everyone on a winbloze machine needs > it. It's MS's version of Java, so some apps won't run without the .NET > framework. Good grief! The client side 3.5 SP1 .NET framework alone is a whopping 255 MB! I'm going to download the beta V4, which is somewhere between a more reasonable 34 MB - 106 MB, depending on what options you select. Available at: http://tinyurl.com/ycjhcj4 From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 7 20:15:48 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 7 20:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd4lj7$otc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Twayne" wrote in message > news:hd4bnj$l96$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm glad you posted because I have one sitting and waiting to be >> installed, too. 3 Updates for XP Pro: >> 1. .NET framework 2.0 KB 974417 >> 2. Update to .NET framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Assistant KB 963707 > > Question about the .NET framework 3.5 package -- I also have the update > sitting in queue to install, but first I checked to see what that app > actually does, and do I need it on my PC? From what I found, it's only > used by software developers and for "normal" users there's no purpose in > having it installed.....so I wiped it out about an hour ago. I didn't do > something stupid, did I? Most of the applications we sell (BIG $$) require .NET on the PC. Most of the updates make .NET using applications more secure. So.... From aunt.jemima at pancake.box Sat Nov 7 21:52:11 2009 From: aunt.jemima at pancake.box (dwacon) Date: Sat Nov 7 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: "Wazoo" wrote in message news:hd2l5i$tsa$1@news.spamcop.net... > "dwacon" wrote in message > news:hd2g9e$s5p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some 3½ >> floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. >> >> The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my >> machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy >> drive just to retreive it. >> >> Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash for a >> finite project? > > Advertise somewhere, asking for help perhaps? You posted here, I saw, and > can state that I do have an ancient HP tower with the devices required. A > brother dropped it off a couple of years back, assured me that everything > worked, it was just slow as heck (virii/malware/etc. removal cleared most > of that up) However, I can't actually verify that the ZIP drive really > does currently work, never having bothered with trying to score disks. An > offer to help is made, but ????? Hmm... so would it be worth theoretically packing the discs and a couple blank DVDs and some form of remuneration... The more I think about it... the less feasible it seems. -- If your outgo is more than your income, your upkeep will be your downfall http://blog.dwacon.com http://www.twitter.com/dwacon __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4582 (20091107) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Nov 7 22:55:25 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Nov 7 23:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: dwacon wrote: > Hmm... so would it be worth theoretically packing the discs and a couple > blank DVDs and some form of remuneration... If someone is still actually using zip/s for something, you could send them the zips and let them upload the data to a filesharing site and keep the disks for their trouble, since you don't have any use for them any more. I don't know how many zips you have, but file sharing sites will let one upload gigs. Zips were a big improvement over floppies, but that was a long time ago. > The more I think about it... the less feasible it seems. I guess it depends on whether the data is worth the trouble of handling the logistics. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Nov 7 23:06:59 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Nov 7 23:10:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > dwacon wrote: > >> Hmm... so would it be worth theoretically packing the discs and a > couple >> blank DVDs and some form of remuneration... > > If someone is still actually using zip/s for something, you could send > them the zips and let them upload the data to a filesharing site and > keep the disks for their trouble, since you don't have any use for them > any more. I don't know how many zips you have, but file sharing sites > will let one upload gigs. > > Zips were a big improvement over floppies, but that was a long time ago. > >> The more I think about it... the less feasible it seems. > > I guess it depends on whether the data is worth the trouble of handling > the logistics. > > > Yeah I'd do it for free, I can just burn the ZIP disc contents onto a DVD. From DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net Sun Nov 8 00:18:22 2009 From: DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net (DevilsPGD) Date: Sun Nov 8 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: ZIP 100 References: Message-ID: <0fkcf5hcjpe9nqesk5irbuf4tv64hgst60@4ax.com> In message "dwacon" was claimed to have wrote: >Was cleaning out a closet and found a bunch of ZIP 100 disks (and some 3? >floppies) -- and some of them have data I thought was LONG gone. > >The problem... I don't have any ZIP or floppy drives on any of my >machines... and I don't want to spend big bucks on a USB ZIP or floppy drive >just to retreive it. A USB floppy can be had on eBay for under $20 shipped, a ZIP 100 drive will run you $25-$35 shipped. You could probably try your local freecycle or Craiglist to get something cheaper, if you're in a moderate urban environment you can probably find someone that will let you have an old computer including the floppy drive free without much pain. The ZIP will be more difficult and will require luck or patience, but I've seen a couple a year float by in a city of a million people, so there is hope. >Any ideas on what I can do -- other than shelling out some big cash for a >finite project? I'm not sure if the above falls into "big cash", I guess it depends on the usefulness and potential sensitivity / need for privacy of the data. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 13:33:26 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sun Nov 8 13:35:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? References: Message-ID: In news:hd5649$vqo$1@news.spamcop.net, bar0 typed: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:hd4lj7$otc$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Twayne" wrote in message >> news:hd4bnj$l96$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> I'm glad you posted because I have one sitting and waiting to be >>> installed, too. 3 Updates for XP Pro: >>> 1. .NET framework 2.0 KB 974417 >>> 2. Update to .NET framework 3.5 SP1 for .NET Assistant KB 963707 >> >> Question about the .NET framework 3.5 package -- I also have the >> update sitting in queue to install, but first I checked to see what >> that app actually does, and do I need it on my PC? From what I >> found, it's only used by software developers and for "normal" users >> there's no purpose in having it installed.....so I wiped it out >> about an hour ago. I didn't do something stupid, did I? > > Most of the applications we sell (BIG $$) require .NET on the PC. > Most of the updates make .NET using applications more secure. > > So.... I do have to admit that the dot net stuff has one extremely valuable feature I can't understand others not useing too. If you don't have the right version, or need someting else like an SP, most of the time you'll get an understandable popup explanation of what you need and usually where to download it from. I hope those have been carried forward in 3.5 and 4.x. I've no idea whether I need everything I have, but I'm not too concerned about it; drive space is cheap these days. 3.5 is an excellent jump forward for the whole morass, IMO. Cheers, Twayne` From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 16:40:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 16:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:hd72ts$lie$1@news.spamcop.net... If you don't have the right > version, or need someting else like an SP, most of the time you'll get an > understandable popup explanation of what you need and usually where to > download it from. I hope those have been carried forward in 3.5 and 4.x. I installed 4.2 Beta last night, no problems so far.....strangely, I unistalled .NET 2.x and 3.5 SP1prior to installing 4.2, and some bits and parts of 2.x are back on my PC *shrug*.....wonder why whatever they needed in 4.2 from 2.x wasn't just incorporated into the package? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 16:43:12 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 16:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Vista SP2 question Message-ID: Has anyone taken the dive and installed SP2 now that it's been out a while? I'm thinking of installing it, but don't really know what improvements it offers over SP1 and whether it degrades anything, like making some specific hardware or peripherals lose functionality. All opinions and comments are welcome. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 16:57:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 17:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] HP Pocket Drive disappeared! Message-ID: I bought a 320 GB USB pocket drive that slides into a slot on the side of my HP Pavilion I775 to create larger daily backups of my files and settings. It worked fine for several months, then I noticed last week that it didn't show up in the "My Computer" view as it normally did, as "H:" drive. I popped it out and put it back in, and it was recognized. But for the last 3 days, it's disappeared again, and I cannot figure out WTF is going on! The drive is NTFS and doesn't require any special drivers, it just showed up as an external hard drive using USBSTOR, just like my other (smaller) external drive. Thinking that the port it was connected to was bad, I pulled it out and hooked it up to a front USB port using a special combo of cables that I luckily found stored in my spare cable box (you need a cable with a female USB fitting, pretty rare to have one of those laying around). When I plugged it in, it powered up and the LED light blinked several times, then stayed on, but no joy, the PC couldn't find it, no matter how many tricks I tried in Device Manager. Any ideas as to what might be wrong with it? Is it possible the drive failed in less than 6 months, and would a failed drive cause it to not show up as a device? TIA for any help. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 8 20:09:39 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 8 20:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBDBE32A726BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Has anyone taken the dive and installed SP2 now that it's been out a >> while? > > Installed it on a couple of machines. Haven't noticed a bit of > difference. So is it worth the possible destruction it might cause if I install it? Sounds like no from your answer, especially if SP2 is mainly made up of security patches. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 18:28:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 9 18:30:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBDD40B76325TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! >> "Charles" wrote in message > >>> Installed it on a couple of machines. Haven't noticed a bit of >>> difference. >> >> So is it worth the possible destruction it might cause if I install it? > > There's not supposed to be any destruction when you install updates. Haha...HAha.....HAHa......HAHAHAHAHAHA! Goddamn that's a good one! Hmm. > Right. Of course. You know, funny thing... I can't let Windows 7 choose > the driver for my video card 'cause it turns 2 of my monitors off. Very > annoying! So, yeah. Tough call, I guess. > You alone have made it a "non-tough" call, I'm not installing it. Now if you could figger out why my HP Pocket Drive (USB) isn't recognized by my PC anymore, that would be quite dear to me.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 9 22:36:28 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 9 22:40:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CBEBF5ED281ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Indigo" ! > >> Now if you >> could figger out why my HP Pocket Drive (USB) isn't recognized by my PC >> anymore, that would be quite dear to me.... > > Oh, there's probably a stupid driver that got installed by something > that's > taken over! Like some update that totally destroyed my Logitech Mouse settings just a day or two ago....I had to uninstall the mouse and let Plug'n'Play rediscover it to restore it's functionalilty. For some reason the cursor movement slowed to a crawl, and I had to double click instead of single click to do stuff, plus you had to hit the "exact" spot of a link to get it to open. The uninstall/reinstall of the mouse drivers fixed all of it....although I'm pissed that it happened in the first place....thank god I have a Touchscreen PC so I was able to wade around using the stylus until the mouse drivers were reset. I hope I'm fixing my Pocket Drive problems, I just paid $30 to install something called "Driver Robot" recommended by HP, it found 13 out of date drivers, including several that appear related to USB ports and external hard drives. Hopefully the money was well spent....I probably could have found and downloaded the updates for free with a lot of effort and time, but decided a year's worth of auto-updates from HP was worth the money. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 10 12:46:36 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Nov 10 12:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] HP Pocket Drive (was Re: Vista SP2 question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Now if you could figger out why my HP Pocket Drive (USB) isn't recognized by my > PC anymore, that would be quite dear to me.... Does it have a standard USB connector on it? If you plug it into a different computer, does it work there? If you plug it into one of the "normal" USB ports on the first computer, does it work there? In the control panel's device manager, you can "view devices by connection". With the drive not plugged in, expand the entire USB tree. On my system, they are under: ACPI x86-based PC Microsoft ACPI-compliant system PCI bus Under "PCI bus", there are numerous USB "host controller" entries, each of which contains a "USB root hub". Some of those root hubs (the ones with devices attached) contain other entries, such as: ... PCI bus Intel(R) ICHB Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller USB root hub USB composite device HP Webcam Expand all USB trees, so you can see what's attached before hooking up the Pocket Drive. Then, plug in the Pocket Drive. If the system sees the drive at all, it will appear under one of the root hubs. Expand the new tabs until you get to the drive itself. Right-click it and select "properties". On the properties dialog should be a "volumes" tab. Then click the "populate" button. If things are working, you should get a list of volumes/partitions on the drive. Since things apparently aren't working properly, how far in the above do you get? -- Kenneth Brody From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 10 12:52:03 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Nov 10 12:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: [...] > I hope I'm fixing my Pocket Drive problems, I just paid $30 to install > something called "Driver Robot" recommended by HP, it found 13 out of > date drivers, including several that appear related to USB ports and > external hard drives. Hopefully the money was well spent....I probably [...] We use something called "Driver Detective". Probably a similar program from someone else. The only thing I wish it could do that it doesn't, is find drivers for devices that have no driver installed. But, it is amazing how many times Windows will tell you "no newer driver available", when these programs find them. (And, without the hassle of going through the device manager and clicking "update driver" one at a time.) -- Kenneth Brody From joegill at removethis Tue Nov 10 17:15:17 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Nov 10 17:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: HP Pocket Drive disappeared! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hd7erp$q0t$1@news.spamcop.net... >I bought a 320 GB USB pocket drive that slides into a slot on the side of >my HP Pavilion I775 to create larger daily backups of my files and >settings. It worked fine for several months, then I noticed last week that >it didn't show up in the "My Computer" view as it normally did, as "H:" >drive. I popped it out and put it back in, and it was recognized. But for >the last 3 days, it's disappeared again, and I cannot figure out WTF is >going on! > > The drive is NTFS and doesn't require any special drivers, it just showed > up as an external hard drive using USBSTOR, just like my other (smaller) > external drive. Thinking that the port it was connected to was bad, I > pulled it out and hooked it up to a front USB port using a special combo > of cables that I luckily found stored in my spare cable box (you need a > cable with a female USB fitting, pretty rare to have one of those laying > around). When I plugged it in, it powered up and the LED light blinked > several times, then stayed on, but no joy, the PC couldn't find it, no > matter how many tricks I tried in Device Manager. > > Any ideas as to what might be wrong with it? Is it possible the drive > failed in less than 6 months, and would a failed drive cause it to not > show up as a device? TIA for any help. Have you looked @ http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00220412&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3245303 From loyal at spamcop.user Wed Nov 11 00:48:36 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Wed Nov 11 00:50:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Surprise windows update? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "bar0" ! > >> Most of the applications we sell (BIG $$) require .NET on the PC. Most >> of the updates make .NET using applications more secure. > > On a transactional level, why not. But for continuing revenue streams... > .Net is pretty hard. It's so easy to reverse engineer it isn't even funny > - the tools are published by Microsoft, among others. And then... And > then you could Dotfuscate but there are tools widely available now that can > reverse engineer things that were Dotfuscated only a couple of years ago. > So, hey, wow. What if you use hardware authentication? You surely don't > want to change that entire system every few years! Sure, that's because .NET is a different style of compilation and runtime than native compilers that most are used to. Interpreted languages like Java, .NET, PERL and do things that natively compiled languages can't, and vice-versa. The big win for interpreted languages is some concept of application portability between hardware platforms. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 21:44:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:45:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:hdc985$goo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: > [...] >> I hope I'm fixing my Pocket Drive problems, I just paid $30 to install >> something called "Driver Robot" recommended by HP, it found 13 out of >> date drivers, including several that appear related to USB ports and >> external hard drives. Hopefully the money was well spent....I probably > [...] > > We use something called "Driver Detective". Probably a similar program > from someone else. > Yes, it's very similar to Drive Detective but a little easier to use, although it recommended 2 drivers updates that my PC declined to install saying "they are not suitable for your system". Driver Detective always had some kind of creepy feel to it, like it was actually spyware in disguise (at least to me). > The only thing I wish it could do that it doesn't, is find drivers for > devices that have no driver installed. > > But, it is amazing how many times Windows will tell you "no newer driver > available", when these programs find them. (And, without the hassle of > going through the device manager and clicking "update driver" one at a > time.) No kidding, Vista's built in "search online for new drivers" is a bad joke.....I had 7 devices that had old drivers (some as old as 2006), Driver Robot found the, but two were rejected, and I installed a few of the other ones (HP laserjet update, a USB printer driver update, ethernet card update, and Bluetooth driver updates). The new NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 driver was rejected, and so was the was the NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA driver. It turns out that NONE of these drivers were causing the problem with my HP Pocket Drive! I had just done a Windbloze auto update a few days ago, and that's when the Pocket Drive really went wonky (along with my IR mouse). I hooked the HP drive up to my ancient home-built Win2k PC in the basement, and voila! The drive was detected and worked. I copied the driver file "disk.sys", vintage 2005, to a thumb drive, thinking that somehow I could get Vista to use that driver for the Pocket drive, but it never came to that. Last night I did a system restore to 3 days ago before some of the updates were installled, still no joy. Then I _completely_ powered down the PC overnight, meaning I pulled the power plug, and this morning after fetching the new (old) Disk.sys file I thought "what the hell, I"ll try one more time...." and this time the Pocket Drive was recognized! Another example of FUCKING WINDOWS UPDATES DESTROYING FUNCTIONING HARDWARE!!!!!! That's it, I'm done with Vista updates except for maybe WinMail spamfilters, and I could do without them if I had to (and might do so). This is just getting ridiculous, the last two update batches I allowed Vista to install both botched up some app function or driver/hardware function. So no, Charles, I will NOT be installing SP2!!!! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 21:47:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:50:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: HP Pocket Drive (was Re: Vista SP2 question) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:hdc8tv$gjq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Since things apparently aren't working properly, how far in the above do > you get? > See my previous post for the answer. As far as your direct question, I unplugged the drive from the built-in USB socket and hooked it up to a USB hub, but Vista complained that there was an "unknown" piece of hardware connected to the hub, with no solution recommended except to unplug/replug, or to replace the unit, which is only 3 months old! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 11 21:51:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 11 21:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: HP Pocket Drive disappeared! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:hdcom2$lu5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Have you looked @ > http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00220412&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&product=3245303 > Thanks for the link, but I basically went thru all those steps on my own over the last few days without regaining functionality. See previous post for the solution., and thanks for trying to help -- I hadn't found that link during my google searches (now bookmarked for future problems ;-) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 11:00:07 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Nov 12 11:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: [... snip tale of joy and woe ...] > Another example of FUCKING WINDOWS UPDATES DESTROYING FUNCTIONING > HARDWARE!!!!!! That's it, I'm done with Vista updates except for maybe > WinMail spamfilters, and I could do without them if I had to (and might > do so). This is just getting ridiculous, the last two update batches I > allowed Vista to install both botched up some app function or > driver/hardware function. > > So no, Charles, I will NOT be installing SP2!!!! "Hi. I'm a PC, and my new Windows 7 operating system won't have any of the problems that Vista had." -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 16:59:41 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 12 17:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:hdhbeb$aei$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Hi. I'm a PC, and my new Windows 7 operating system won't have any of > the problems that Vista had." > I literally laughed when I first saw that ad run ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 17:00:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 12 17:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Why, you're mad! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC15BEDC46A2TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I upgraded to win7 64. Unfortunately not all of the tools I need run in > this configuration. As in, tools I need on a daily basis. Tools I need > to > do my job. Arg. So... What I'm going to do... What I'm doing... Is > simply mad! "Hi. I'm a PC, and my new Windows 7 operating system won't have any of the problems that Vista had." From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 19:02:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Thu Nov 12 19:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hdi0gb$i9m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:hdhbeb$aei$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Hi. I'm a PC, and my new Windows 7 operating system won't have any of >> the problems that Vista had." >> > > I literally laughed when I first saw that ad run ;-) I keep asking what problems? The only problem I have had with any Microsoft OS since WFW3.11 was WinME which had a major memory leak and would Blue Screen with just the OS loaded. I found that because where I was working at the time we were trying it on 5 machines. I setup those machines one afternoon with just the OS and before I had a chance to install network and other applications, went home. I came back the next morning to find all 5 at the blue screen. I have used WFW3.11, Win95, Win98, Win98SE, WinXP, Win2K (Pro and Server), Win2003, Vista, Win2008 (my current domain controller at home), and Windows 7 on this current laptop since (28-SEP-2009). I have had crashes on many of those OSes, but all of them were tracked down to 3rd party drivers or applications (including Microsoft applications). This laptop currently has only Windows7, Microsoft Security Essentials (virus/malware), Open Office, Windows Live (for mail), and Acrobat reader. Indigo, I realize you have had problems, but you also seem to insist on "playing" with the underlying files and registry entries. You are doing things in ways that are not supported. My machines are tools used to get certain jobs done and I do not use anything but the MS supplied tools to clean up the system. Steve From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 21:15:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Nov 12 21:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Steven Underwood" wrote in message news:hdi7nc$kul$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo, I realize you have had problems, but you also seem to insist on > "playing" with the underlying files and registry entries. You are doing > things in ways that are not supported. My machines are tools used to get > certain jobs done and I do not use anything but the MS supplied tools to > clean up the system. I realize that I "tinker" a bit more than is probably good for me, but when I update my OS and my external hard drive disappears without me doing _any_ kind of disk cleaning or reg file tinkering during that period of time something is seriously wrong with the OS! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 12 22:50:10 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Thu Nov 12 22:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hdifgl$nqi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Steven Underwood" wrote in message > news:hdi7nc$kul$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Indigo, I realize you have had problems, but you also seem to insist on >> "playing" with the underlying files and registry entries. You are doing >> things in ways that are not supported. My machines are tools used to get >> certain jobs done and I do not use anything but the MS supplied tools to >> clean up the system. > > I realize that I "tinker" a bit more than is probably good for me, but > when I update my OS and my external hard drive disappears without me doing > _any_ kind of disk cleaning or reg file tinkering during that period of > time something is seriously wrong with the OS! Did you run the Windows7 upgrade advisor to see if everything would upgrade OK? The built in network adapter on my Dell WinXP desktop will not work as there are no drivers available. I will be installing a PCI card and testing again before upgrading. Since it is a fairly standard desktop http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Nov 13 01:48:41 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Nov 13 01:50:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Thunderbird search not working properly Message-ID: For some reason, whenever I try to search for message content within Thunderbird, the search doesn't bring up the last couple months of messages. It finds stuff before September or October but nothing after that...and I know for a fact there are emails that should be showing up much more recently. Any thoughts? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Nov 13 10:18:48 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Nov 13 10:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Thunderbird search not working properly References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > For some reason, whenever I try to search for message content within > Thunderbird, the search doesn't bring up the last couple months of > messages. It finds stuff before September or October but nothing after > that...and I know for a fact there are emails that should be showing up > much more recently. Any thoughts? I don't know the answer to your question, but I learned something while I was looking around. Tbird has a 'Save as search folder' function. When you create a search strategy and get your hits, the save search folder button activates. http://kb.mozillazine.org/Saved_Search Creating a Saved Search folder -- Searching across multiple accounts If the mail is in different accounts, you will have to deal with that. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 13 20:40:01 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 13 20:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Vista SP2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Steven Underwood" wrote in message news:hdil1s$pmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Did you run the Windows7 upgrade advisor to see if everything would > upgrade OK? The built in network adapter on my Dell WinXP desktop will > not work as there are no drivers available. I will be installing a PCI > card and testing again before upgrading. Since it is a fairly standard > desktop Erm, no.....I'm still on Vista SP1......with no plans to pay for Win7, let alone install Vista SP2.......Win Update shouldn't be installing any Win7 stuff on my PC anyway, right? From loyal at spamcop.user Sat Nov 14 00:26:58 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Nov 14 00:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Thunderbird search not working properly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > For some reason, whenever I try to search for message content within > Thunderbird, the search doesn't bring up the last couple months of > messages. It finds stuff before September or October but nothing after > that...and I know for a fact there are emails that should be showing up > much more recently. Any thoughts? Hrm. Nothing obvious comes to mind, but perhaps some points to think about. I'm assuming you are doing the search from the top right of the window. Can you find these previously unfound messages if you search on their subject or sender? Have you compacted your folder recently? Right click on the folder, and select Compact. This removes the deadspace from deleted messages from the mailbox. Such as these x's which each refer to a single message in a mailbox: xxxxxxxxxx You delete, 2, 4, and 7. Now the file looks like: xoxoxxoxxx (o's are deleted space) When compacting that mailbox, the result will look like: xxxxxxx (note it's smaller in length/size) If you can determine which message causes the search to end, it may have some control characters or something that causes the search to stop. If you can locate it, copy it to another mailbox to see if it causes searches to stop there. If it's reproducible, submit a Thunderbird bug. That might take some time depending on the size of the mailbox though. AndrewB From me at privacy.net Sun Nov 15 22:28:24 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Sun Nov 15 22:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] task manager problem Message-ID: when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task doesn't close. I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still doesn't close. Why? From user at domain.invalid Sun Nov 15 23:14:16 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Sun Nov 15 23:15:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task > doesn't close. > > I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still > doesn't close. > > Why? > > Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Nov 16 00:26:44 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Nov 16 00:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Farelf wrote: > anon wrote: >> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task >> doesn't close. >> >> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >> doesn't close. >> >> Why? >> >> > > Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the > effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never > silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're > worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? What is the task name? From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 16 13:15:44 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Mon Nov 16 13:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... > Farelf wrote: >> anon wrote: >>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task >>> doesn't close. >>> >>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >>> doesn't close. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> >> >> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? > > What is the task name? OS win xp home varies all over the place, may even be trying to close an explorer window, always something that task manager indicates as "unresponsive". I click close, window displays with buttons "do you really want to close this"? Then window do you want to send report? responding just cycles through: end task, want to close, want to send report. From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 16 13:17:43 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Mon Nov 16 13:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... > Farelf wrote: >> anon wrote: >>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task >>> doesn't close. >>> >>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >>> doesn't close. >>> >>> Why? >>> >>> >> >> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? > > What is the task name? see ans to farelf post From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 16 18:31:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Richard W) Date: Mon Nov 16 18:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Planned Maintenance Window - Tuesday, November 17, 1:00pm to 4:00pm -0800 Message-ID: Scheduled server maintenance and software upgrades will be taking place starting at 1:00 p.m. PST (-0800) Tuesday, November 17, 2009. During this time the SpamCop Reporting Service will not be available for a period of up to three hours in duration. Visitors will find the site in maintenance mode. Emailed spam submissions will be accepted, but processing will be delayed until after the maintenance process. There will also most likely be a processing delay for several hours after the service is brought back online to clear the backlog. The purpose of this maintenance will be to deploy a hot patch, bringing SpamCop to version 4.6.0.030 and fixing some minor bugs in the last deployment. This will not affect the SpamCop/CESmail email service, newsgroups or forums. Richard From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 16 19:19:04 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Mon Nov 16 19:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:hds4sl$8ft$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Farelf wrote: >>> anon wrote: >>>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - task >>>> doesn't close. >>>> >>>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >>>> doesn't close. >>>> >>>> Why? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >>> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >>> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >>> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? >> >> What is the task name? > > OS win xp home > > varies all over the place, may even be trying to close an explorer window, > always something that task manager indicates as "unresponsive". > > I click close, window displays with buttons "do you really want to close > this"? Then window do you want to send report? responding just cycles > through: end task, want to close, want to send report. > I just made a massive up date on the PC (XPhome) that had been out of servie since last April and getting the same problem From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 16 23:34:16 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Mon Nov 16 23:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] PING Mike Easter Message-ID: I lost a HDD drive (no problem everything is backed up) I'm trying to import the address book, mail account and news account setting as well as the file with the signature etc. and can't seem to identify either the files or where they might be hidden. Any help would be appreciated. TIA FP From user at domain.invalid Mon Nov 16 23:53:25 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Nov 16 23:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FrogPrince wrote: > I lost a HDD drive (no problem everything is backed up) > > I'm trying to import the address book, mail account and news account setting > as well as the file with the signature etc. and can't seem to identify > either the files or where they might be hidden. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > TIA > > FP > > Anything of use on http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx ? From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 09:56:41 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 10:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter References: Message-ID: "Farelf" wrote in message news:hdta86$lu3$1@news.spamcop.net... > FrogPrince wrote: >> I lost a HDD drive (no problem everything is backed up) >> >> I'm trying to import the address book, mail account and news account >> setting >> as well as the file with the signature etc. and can't seem to identify >> either the files or where they might be hidden. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> TIA >> >> FP >> >> > > Anything of use on http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx ? Thanks been there and can't seem to find where the data was stored on the old drive or how to import it into the new install. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 10:12:53 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 10:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC6590A5D1C1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > So... Maybe I'll join the modern era and get a real cell phone. I mean, > we have them, now. And they work fine. And maybe that's good enough. I > mean... We only use 20-50 minutes a month each. But I would love to get > and receive email and to have the phone as my gps and to have new toys. > > Anyway, there's sprint and there's verzion. Looks like sprint is, what, > twice the cost of verizon. And is there any point in getting the "droid" > vs a random android? > > Or, there is a dizzying aray of choices... > > HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, HTC Droid Eris, Motorolla Droid, MyTouch, > Motorolla Cliq... > > And then... Yeah. It's cheaper, in the long run, to buy the phones > outright then get a plan for them (save $10 a month a line) but... Oh. > Sigh. Sigh and sigh. I guess I'm probably fine the way I am. It's sure > a > lot cheaper the way I am! There is another service that has most of the services that VZN provides (it uses VZN system) but much cheaper. I have the data but right now I'm trying to recover from a HDD failure (I have the data but have not recovered it to that level) Off hand avoid TrackFone or NET10 as the don't seem to have native English speakers available and the CS troops they have are a) clueless and b) can't communicate. I've been looking at the Droid and preliminary reports (most from folk looking, one or two from folk that have purchased) reflect VZN is back to crippling functions and playing gotch on billing via creative games. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 17 12:33:54 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 17 12:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter References: Message-ID: FrogPrince wrote: > I lost a HDD drive (no problem everything is backed up) > > I'm trying to import the address book, mail account and news account > setting as well as the file with the signature etc. and can't seem to > identify either the files or where they might be hidden. > > Any help would be appreciated. I'm assuming XP The .wab (addressbook) is in application data/ MS/ Addressbook for the identity; that is, C:\Documents and Settings\Username\Application Data\Microsoft\Address Book\username.wab The mail and news account settings are in a registry key - Internet Account Manager. hkey_current_user/software/MS/internet account manager if the account is Main. Otherwise, the path is hkey_current_user/identities/{GUID}/software/MS/internet account manager Tom Koch's insideoe is my favorite place for OE stuff http://www.insideoe.com/ -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 16:55:01 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 17:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC669C6FB132TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "FrogPrince" ! > >> Off hand avoid TrackFone or NET10 as the don't seem to have native >> English speakers available and the CS troops they have are a) clueless >> and b) can't communicate. > > TF may be clueless and non native but for the minimal use I make of my > phone it works fine. I go through maybe 1000 minutes a year, total. > Costs > me under $200. And, as far as that goes, I'm perfectly happy with it! > But > it would be nice to have the additional features of an anything else... > Hmm... An anything else with a pay as you go business model, you know? Just the one I mentioned: 300 min for $25 less if you by more. I think thats with a refill ever 2 to 4 months. (working from a poor memory) From user at domain.invalid Tue Nov 17 20:21:45 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Nov 17 20:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > So... Maybe I'll join the modern era and get a real cell phone. I mean, > we have them, now. And they work fine. And maybe that's good enough. I > mean... We only use 20-50 minutes a month each. But I would love to get > and receive email and to have the phone as my gps and to have new toys. > Not that it helps - http://xkcd.com/662/ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 17 22:55:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "FrogPrince" wrote in message news:hdue0o$v8b$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Anything of use on http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx ? > > Thanks been there and can't seem to find where the data was stored on the > old drive or how to import it into the new install. > Try to find a file named something like "messagestore", that's where all your old emails are likely stored. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 22:58:54 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "FrogPrince" wrote in message news:hdsqjv$gdd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "anon" wrote in message > news:hds4sl$8ft$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Farelf wrote: >>>> anon wrote: >>>>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - >>>>> task >>>>> doesn't close. >>>>> >>>>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >>>>> doesn't close. >>>>> >>>>> Why? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >>>> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >>>> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >>>> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? >>> >>> What is the task name? >> >> OS win xp home >> >> varies all over the place, may even be trying to close an explorer >> window, always something that task manager indicates as "unresponsive". >> >> I click close, window displays with buttons "do you really want to close >> this"? Then window do you want to send report? responding just cycles >> through: end task, want to close, want to send report. >> > > I just made a massive up date on the PC (XPhome) that had been out of > servie since last April and getting the same problem > I am glad to know that I am not alone. My OS is XP home also. Now there are two of us wanting to know WHY? From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 23:23:01 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:30:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:hdvre0$lrn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "FrogPrince" wrote in message > news:hdsqjv$gdd$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "anon" wrote in message >> news:hds4sl$8ft$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> >>> "Borgholio" wrote in message >>> news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> Farelf wrote: >>>>> anon wrote: >>>>>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - >>>>>> task >>>>>> doesn't close. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task still >>>>>> doesn't close. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >>>>> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >>>>> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >>>>> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? >>>> >>>> What is the task name? >>> >>> OS win xp home >>> >>> varies all over the place, may even be trying to close an explorer >>> window, always something that task manager indicates as "unresponsive". >>> >>> I click close, window displays with buttons "do you really want to >>> close this"? Then window do you want to send report? responding just >>> cycles through: end task, want to close, want to send report. >>> >> >> I just made a massive up date on the PC (XPhome) that had been out of >> servie since last April and getting the same problem >> > I am glad to know that I am not alone. My OS is XP home also. > > Now there are two of us wanting to know WHY? > BINGO!!!! To enable or disable error reporting Open System in Control Panel. On the Advanced tab, click Error Reporting. Click Disable error reporting or Enable error reporting. Notes To open System, click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click System. If you disable error reporting, you can still have Windows notify you when an error occurs.*** Kill this unselect Notify me when critical errors occur check box. To report operating system errors, select the Windows operating system check box. To report program errors for programs, such as Microsoft Word, select the Programs check box. From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 17 23:24:51 2009 From: me at privacy.net (FrogPrince) Date: Tue Nov 17 23:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hdvr75$lmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "FrogPrince" wrote in message > news:hdue0o$v8b$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> Anything of use on http://www.oehelp.com/backup.aspx ? >> >> Thanks been there and can't seem to find where the data was stored on >> the old drive or how to import it into the new install. >> > Try to find a file named something like "messagestore", that's where all > your old emails are likely stored. I have the old messages. What I need is the wab and mail/news set up data to import. From loyal at spamcop.user Wed Nov 18 01:16:34 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Wed Nov 18 01:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > So... Maybe I'll join the modern era and get a real cell phone. I mean, > we have them, now. And they work fine. And maybe that's good enough. I > mean... We only use 20-50 minutes a month each. But I would love to get > and receive email and to have the phone as my gps and to have new toys. > > Anyway, there's sprint and there's verizon. Looks like sprint is, what, > twice the cost of verizon. And is there any point in getting the "droid" > vs a random android? > > Or, there is a dizzying aray of choices... > > HTC Hero, Samsung Moment, HTC Droid Eris, Motorolla Droid, MyTouch, > Motorolla Cliq... > > And then... Yeah. It's cheaper, in the long run, to buy the phones > outright then get a plan for them (save $10 a month a line) but... Oh. > Sigh. Sigh and sigh. I guess I'm probably fine the way I am. It's sure a > lot cheaper the way I am! A couple of quick points: Motorola's Droid has the lastest drop of Android from what I understand. What you see in the Droid/Verizon commercials may not be achievable on other older Droid phones. The data functionalities, including GPS, usually require a data plan as well as a voice plan. I expect there to be wireless devices (without voice) soon. I have heard that Nokia is developing netbooks that work on wireless networks. I expect data plans to become cheaper in the next couple of years. Don't sign a long plan. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 18 11:21:04 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 18 11:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "FrogPrince" wrote in message news:hdvt9k$mha$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I have the old messages. What I need is the wab and mail/news set up data > to import. > > the WAB should be a piece of cake to find with a simple search, trying looking in the c:\users directory first. I don't bother to even backup my news/email settings, I have them memorized from having to reinstall my accounts so many times over the years ;-) For SC groups, just go to the SC website and click on the NNTP link. From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 18 14:55:48 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Nov 18 15:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:he16tn$614$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "FrogPrince" wrote in message > news:hdvt9k$mha$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> I have the old messages. What I need is the wab and mail/news set up >> data to import. >> >> > > the WAB should be a piece of cake to find with a simple search, trying > looking in the c:\users directory first. I don't bother to even backup my > news/email settings, I have them memorized from having to reinstall my > accounts so many times over the years ;-) For SC groups, just go to the SC > website and click on the NNTP link. Duh .. I'm posting to SC groups now. As to the rest my memory is not that good and even if it was I'd not be spending it on configuration settings. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 18 22:32:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 18 22:35:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: PING Mike Easter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:he1m6v$bjl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Duh .. I'm posting to SC groups now. As to the rest my memory is not that > good and even if it was I'd not be spending it on configuration settings. > When you figure out how to reset your mail account settings (a quick call to your ISP should do the trick), use either Vista's "Snipping Too" or a freeware/shareware app like Snagit to screen capture each page of your email account setups. Print them out or save them as jpgs, then you always have the data to refer back to in case of disaster. From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Nov 19 02:36:25 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Nov 19 02:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was AndrewB ! > >> I expect there to be wireless devices (without voice) soon > > In most places (not the US, of course) you can buy dongles that do the > 'net. You can buy those dongles in the US. I had a buddy who had one 5+ years ago for AT&T's network. They used to be PCMCIA to plug into laptops, but I've seen a lot more USB type dongles recently. Having an internal radio in a device would be better than having to lug around another card/USB device, in my view. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 19 10:16:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Thu Nov 19 10:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Droid? References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CC8563E5F3A7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was AndrewB ! >> Charles wrote: >>> It wasn't me! It was AndrewB ! >>> >>>> I expect there to be wireless devices (without voice) soon >>> >>> In most places (not the US, of course) you can buy dongles that do the >>> 'net. >> >> You can buy those dongles in the US. I had a buddy who had one 5+ years >> ago for AT&T's network. They used to be PCMCIA to plug into laptops, >> but I've seen a lot more USB type dongles recently. > > I know the dongles have been around. I'm talking more of the > pay-as-you-go > type. The kind you buy on arriving in any random country. Check this... > The first thing we do on arriving anywhere is to go and get a SIM card for > our GSM phone. A prepaid SIM card. And right next to those there are > usually prepaid G3 dongles for the 'net. Now, on arriving at any random > airport in the US... I see neither option. I know, I wouldn't need a SIM > card anyway. But I haven't seen, in stores, the prepaid dongles. > Otherwise I'd have purchased them. I don't go in the field a lot but when > I do being connected is very important to me. > > >> Having an internal radio in a device would be better than having to lug >> around another card/USB device, in my view. > > And internal devices are tied to contracts. Unless you can find me one > that isn't. I mean, I'd love to connect this way - with a prepaid card. > Really. In the USA weak anti competition law and poor regulation allows vendors to tie everything to contracts. Try and buy an unlocked phone in the US, or get a cheaper rate with the major wireless providers when you've provided your own phone, instead of accepting whatever crap ophone you get with your new 2/3 year contract. Try and buy out of a contract. Yeah yeah there are some bit players like cricket, but it's not the same. I like it in the rest of the world where I can go to a mobile store and buy any phone I like, If I need service I can go to any provider, and if I'm not happy I can change provider, and keep my damn phone. Imagine if we had to buy milk from a dispenser with a special bottle, to get a bottle we have to sign a 2 year contract with Kroger, which is the only place where that bottle can be filled. I bet something like that would get stopped pretty fast. What's so special about telecoms here? From me at privacy.net Thu Nov 19 11:00:11 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Thu Nov 19 11:05:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: task manager problem References: Message-ID: "FrogPrince" wrote in message news:hdvt69$mgt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "anon" wrote in message > news:hdvre0$lrn$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> "FrogPrince" wrote in message >> news:hdsqjv$gdd$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> "anon" wrote in message >>> news:hds4sl$8ft$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Borgholio" wrote in message >>>> news:hdqnqk$nus$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>>> Farelf wrote: >>>>>> anon wrote: >>>>>>> when I highlight a task and click on 'end task', nothing happens - >>>>>>> task >>>>>>> doesn't close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can repeat this for more than a half-dozen times and the task >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> doesn't close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I've had them a bit slow, sometimes ending up with words to the >>>>>> effect of "No can do, in use by another/running process." but never >>>>>> silence and blank refusal that I can recall. What task(s)? You're >>>>>> worried your machine is "owned"? Any other evidence? >>>>> >>>>> What is the task name? >>>> >>>> OS win xp home >>>> >>>> varies all over the place, may even be trying to close an explorer >>>> window, always something that task manager indicates as "unresponsive". >>>> >>>> I click close, window displays with buttons "do you really want to >>>> close this"? Then window do you want to send report? responding just >>>> cycles through: end task, want to close, want to send report. >>>> >>> >>> I just made a massive up date on the PC (XPhome) that had been out of >>> servie since last April and getting the same problem >>> >> I am glad to know that I am not alone. My OS is XP home also. >> >> Now there are two of us wanting to know WHY? >> > > BINGO!!!! > > To enable or disable error reporting > > Open System in Control Panel. > On the Advanced tab, click Error Reporting. > Click Disable error reporting or Enable error reporting. > > Notes > To open System, click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and > then double-click System. > > If you disable error reporting, you can still have Windows notify you when > an error occurs.*** > > Kill this unselect Notify me when critical errors occur check box. > > To report operating system errors, select the Windows operating system > check box. > To report program errors for programs, such as Microsoft Word, select the > Programs check box. > My problem is that the 'task' dos not close - does the 'fix' suggested make the task close or just kill the error message? From bjarke.andersen at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 02:15:45 2009 From: bjarke.andersen at gmail.com (Bjarke Andersen) Date: Fri Nov 20 02:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Windows computer SID Message-ID: Here I am, "just as" an networkadministrator, and I seem to have pi**ed off the "server administrators". Why? Because I challenged them in how to do imaging of machines needed for deployment. The guy who usually do this, well he seems not to know the command sysprep. So whenever he needs to roll out a new machine, he puts on an image of a full working machine with a dummy name, disjoin it from the domain and rejoin the computer with the correct name. So here comes my question, does the computer actually get a new SID when joining a domain? My fear is that in all these years he have done so, many computers have the same SID. -- Bjarke Andersen From DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net Fri Nov 20 15:33:10 2009 From: DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net (DevilsPGD) Date: Fri Nov 20 15:35:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Windows computer SID References: Message-ID: In message Bjarke Andersen was claimed to have wrote: >Here I am, "just as" an networkadministrator, and I seem to have pi**ed off >the "server administrators". > >Why? Because I challenged them in how to do imaging of machines needed for >deployment. > >The guy who usually do this, well he seems not to know the command sysprep. >So whenever he needs to roll out a new machine, he puts on an image of a >full working machine with a dummy name, disjoin it from the domain and >rejoin the computer with the correct name. > >So here comes my question, does the computer actually get a new SID when >joining a domain? No. >My fear is that in all these years he have done so, many computers have the >same SID. According to Mark Russinovich, duplicate SIDs aren't really a problem anyway, so the point is moot: http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2009/11/03/3291024.aspx From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 21 17:58:06 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sat Nov 21 18:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Install for all or not and stuff like preferred Email client Message-ID: Folks, I havce 4 users on this computer, and probably sometime way back I installed Eudora for all users or somtheing like that. Anyway, My wive uses Eudora, I use OE, we're both administrators, (well in reality I am),but that's another matter. I use OE becaus I also read newsgroups. Eudora is a better Mail client, but OE is good enough for me, and I also report spam, she doesn't so, If either one of us sets up either program as the preferred mailer, it becomes THE preferred mail app, which is really annoying when I want to send photos, since my picture edittor will happily downsize pictures to a size suitable for mailing etc. We run with Eudora as the default mail app because if SO is not happy no one is. How can I separate that setting, so I can have OE as the mail app, and she Eudora? Man I still dislike Windoze. From me at privacy.net Sat Nov 21 19:47:06 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Nov 21 19:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Need sugestions recommendations Message-ID: I'm still having problems with my ISPs (Charter and Verizon) blocking, bit bucketing or refusing emails without accountability. I'm in need of an independent, ethical provider to supply mail server services that will deliver my mail i.e. let me deal with the spam. TIA FP From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 22 00:24:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Sun Nov 22 00:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Need sugestions recommendations References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hea20s$gj2$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm still having problems with my ISPs (Charter and Verizon) blocking, bit > bucketing or refusing emails without accountability. > > I'm in need of an independent, ethical provider to supply mail server > services that will deliver my mail i.e. let me deal with the spam. > > TIA > > FP > Spamcop mail? It was claimed that it is unfiltered, at least if you also view the spambox. From me at privacy.net Sun Nov 22 16:00:31 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Nov 22 16:05:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Need sugestions recommendations References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:heahve$m4r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:hea20s$gj2$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm still having problems with my ISPs (Charter and Verizon) blocking, >> bit bucketing or refusing emails without accountability. >> >> I'm in need of an independent, ethical provider to supply mail server >> services that will deliver my mail i.e. let me deal with the spam. >> >> TIA >> >> FP >> > Spamcop mail? It was claimed that it is unfiltered, at least if you also > view the spambox. Can't use spamcop name effectively for what I'm about. From loyal at spamcop.user Sun Nov 22 17:16:44 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sun Nov 22 17:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Need sugestions recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> Spamcop mail? It was claimed that it is unfiltered, at least if you also >> view the spambox. > > Can't use spamcop name effectively for what I'm about. Do you mean the domain name of your email address? Spamcop lets you register one of three domains on their signup page at http://www.spamcop.net/ces/account_new.shtml - spamcop.net - cesmail.net - cqmail.net You may also want to look at FastMail: http://www.fastmail.fm I don't use fastmal. I'm happy with spamcop. ;) AndrewB From loyal at spamcop.user Sun Nov 22 17:29:23 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sun Nov 22 17:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Install for all or not and stuff like preferred Email client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > Folks, > > I havce 4 users on this computer, and probably sometime way back I installed > Eudora for all users or somtheing like that. > > Anyway, My wive uses Eudora, I use OE, we're both administrators, (well in > reality I am),but that's another matter. I use OE becaus I also read > newsgroups. Eudora is a better Mail client, but OE is good enough for me, > and I also report spam, she doesn't so, If either one of us sets up either > program as the preferred mailer, it becomes THE preferred mail app, which is > really annoying when I want to send photos, since my picture edittor will > happily downsize pictures to a size suitable for mailing etc. We run with > Eudora as the default mail app because if SO is not happy no one is. How can > I separate that setting, so I can have OE as the mail app, and she Eudora? > > Man I still dislike Windoze. Your problem is probably not a Windows problem. It's a Eudora issue, since it has a big legacy in single user operating systems (Win3.1, etc) and not as much so in a home computer that would have multiple users. I am not sure how current versions of Eudora work, but I do know older versions were as you described. I see a beta is going on the Eudora site. Maybe submit a feature request to have the default mail app per user rather than a global setting. There are probably some registry entries that the environment relies upon to set the default mail application. Maybe write some code to flip them between their settings as you need it, and run the app when you need to? AndrewB From me at privacy.net Sun Nov 22 19:25:14 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Nov 22 19:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Need sugestions recommendations References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:hecd8a$c79$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: > >>> Spamcop mail? It was claimed that it is unfiltered, at least if you also >>> view the spambox. >> >> Can't use spamcop name effectively for what I'm about. > > > Do you mean the domain name of your email address? Spamcop lets you > register one of three domains on their signup page at > http://www.spamcop.net/ces/account_new.shtml > > - spamcop.net > - cesmail.net > - cqmail.net > > You may also want to look at FastMail: http://www.fastmail.fm > > I don't use fastmal. I'm happy with spamcop. ;) > > AndrewB I need to use the company/project specific domain as part of the outgoing email address. i.e. memine@invalid.com, memine@invalid2.com etc. Most are pro bono projects with one or two (for now) income producing efforts. see www.santa-america.org for one of the projects I'm trying to work with. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 11:24:35 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 11:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: How to add BlueTooth to a USB device References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Google is not my friend! I have a USB device. Any device, frankly. > Like a printer, say. I wan to plug the USB cable on this printer into > something and have that something talk to my computer via BlueTooth. > Think it can be done simply and inexpensively? Not inexpensively. Belkin (apparently) used to make one of these: // The Adapter adds Bluetooth technology to your existing USB printer, allowing it to connect to any device enabled with Bluetooth v1.1 technology. Now you can print from your desktop or laptop computer, or from your PDA, with unparalleled convenience. Simply connect the Bluetooth Wireless USB Printer Adapter to the USB port of your printer and enjoy the freedom and flexibility of Bluetooth wireless technology. // Then of course you could put a usb bluetooth on the computer, which tooths are also advertised at amazon where I found that above. http://snipr.com/tdydu Belkin F8T031 Bluetooth Wireless USB Printer Adapter ($200) I couldn't find that device at Belkin. Also realize that some USB devices take advantage of all of the stuff in USB, namely 5V juice in addition to data. Naturally you aren't going to transmit that juice over the air via bluetooth. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Nov 23 14:18:20 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Nov 23 14:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: How to add BlueTooth to a USB device References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >"Mike Easter" >> http://snipr.com/tdydu Belkin F8T031 Bluetooth Wireless USB Printer >> Adapter ($200) > > Yabbut... What search criteria did you use to find this or did you just > look at hundreds of links??? Or, really, how can I find things I'm > looking for without having to ask all of the time??? I don't think I could write a 'prescription' for how I adopt my search terms. Sometimes it is 'imaginative' and sometimes it is 'crude'. The crude examples mean that the chosen terms don't really do a good job of targetting, I just want to see what happens so that I can refine my search into something more imaginative that will focus. I seem to recall that in this case I started with crude and got a good hit on the first page. I used/ started with/ 'bluetooth printer' no quotes. If I were going to refine it, after I saw the hit which was #2 on the unsponsored, I would use bluetooth printer adapter. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 23 16:51:10 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Mon Nov 23 16:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] JavaScript Message-ID: YouTube gives me an err of JavaScript turned off. I did the following:" Find the "Internet Options" option in the menubar of your browser (it's probably located in the Tools menu). Click on the "Security" tab. Make sure the "Internet" globe icon is highlighted. Click on the "Custom Level..." button to bring up the security options for your browser. Search through the menu for the "Active scripting" option. Make sure "Enable" is selected. Click the "OK" button. Close this window and click the "Refresh" button of the page requiring Javascript. Still get same error (have latest flash player.) What now? From not at home.today Mon Nov 23 19:05:28 2009 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Mon Nov 23 19:10:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: JavaScript References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > YouTube gives me an err of JavaScript turned off What's the exact URL? It could be malware, so munge it (e.g. hxxp://...) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 23 21:25:09 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 23 21:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Install for all or not and stuff like preferred Email client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:hece02$cd8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Your problem is probably not a Windows problem. It's a Eudora issue, > since it has a big legacy in single user operating systems (Win3.1, etc) > and not as much so in a home computer that would have multiple users. Why do you think it's not a windows problem? If they both have their own user accounts and profiles, logging off to let the other one log on to use the PC should load their own preferences, OE in one case and Eudora in the other. Am I missing something here? It seems like a simple solution to me.... From joegill at removethis Mon Nov 23 14:58:26 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Nov 23 21:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: How to add BlueTooth to a USB device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCC64CE4EA8BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Google is not my friend! I have a USB device. Any device, frankly. Like > a printer, say. I wan to plug the USB cable on this printer into > something > and have that something talk to my computer via BlueTooth. Think it can > be > done simply and inexpensively? If it's HP, they sell an adapter... Plugs in USB port and offers Bluetooth connectivity to printer... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Nov 24 14:16:24 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Tue Nov 24 14:20:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Install for all or not and stuff like preferred Email client References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hefg65$g2j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "AndrewB" wrote in message > news:hece02$cd8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Your problem is probably not a Windows problem. It's a Eudora issue, >> since it has a big legacy in single user operating systems (Win3.1, etc) >> and not as much so in a home computer that would have multiple users. > > Why do you think it's not a windows problem? If they both have their own > user accounts and profiles, logging off to let the other one log on to use > the PC should load their own preferences, OE in one case and Eudora in the > other. Am I missing something here? It seems like a simple solution to > me.... I agree with you, except about the simple part. Apparently "install for all" has ramifications of what goes into: "Documents and Settings/All Users" besides entries in the StartMenu/Programs. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Nov 24 16:51:15 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Nov 24 16:55:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: How to add BlueTooth to a USB device References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > But you have to know what that device is called! And I don't actually > want to use it on a printer - I want to use it with a security dongle. That doesn't make any sense to me yet. I think you are going to have to tell specifically which dongle and what you are trying to do. It would seem to me that something like a security dongle is going to want the 5V juice. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Tue Nov 24 21:58:11 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Tue Nov 24 22:00:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: JavaScript References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote in message news:hef814$d7r$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote: > >> YouTube gives me an err of JavaScript turned off > > What's the exact URL? It could be malware, so munge it (e.g. hxxp://...) > > >From SC social: hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkNEBFWWcE0 That particular pix gives error - some others on same page don't give error. Has happened intermittently for some time. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 00:00:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Wed Nov 25 00:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: JavaScript In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:hei6ga$mc3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Ant" wrote in message > news:hef814$d7r$1@news.spamcop.net... >> "anon" wrote: >> >>> YouTube gives me an err of JavaScript turned off >> >> What's the exact URL? It could be malware, so munge it (e.g. hxxp://...) >> >> > > From SC social: hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkNEBFWWcE0 > > That particular pix gives error - some others on same page don't give > error. > > Has happened intermittently for some time. > > Interestingly, I've been having a javascript issue of my own for the last few days........especially on youtube.....I keep getting this dialog popups like: [JavaScript Application] Content [video/x-flv] found Do you want to download it to C:\Users\myusername\ ? And this message repeats for every single FF window I have open at the time, means about 8-10 "yes" clicks for every new video I want to view, which of course is miserable.....I messed around with my Java settings today, seems to have settled the problem, but I changed so many things I couldn't tell you what exactly was the magic trick. From not at home.today Wed Nov 25 11:35:48 2009 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Wed Nov 25 11:40:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: JavaScript References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > From SC social: hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkNEBFWWcE0 > That particular pix gives error - some others on same page don't give error. > Has happened intermittently for some time. If you are seeing this: "Hello, either you have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player" ...then it's not the malware related message I've seen elsewhere. I don't know the answer. Perhaps it doesn't like your browser or the version of Javascript it supports. Note that you will need ActiveX/ plugins enabled (if using IE) to view embedded Flash. On the other hand, it could be a broken Youtube page - that wouldn't surprise me, since the page is dynamically generated and has a load of crappy script associated with it. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Nov 25 12:35:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Bar0) Date: Wed Nov 25 12:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I like windows 7 References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCE5BD7A4972TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I just need to learn how to use it. > > And I bought a classic menu bar for the wife for office 'cause even after > 2 > years she's still not used to the ribbon. > > And MS bugs me. My printer doesn't work on any of my computers and yet MS > claims that it's natively supported. Well, if it's natively supported > then > why does the device manager say that the device is unavailable? Power is off? From me at privacy.net Wed Nov 25 20:55:23 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Wed Nov 25 21:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: JavaScript References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote in message news:hejmet$7rt$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote: > >> From SC social: hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkNEBFWWcE0 >> That particular pix gives error - some others on same page don't give >> error. >> Has happened intermittently for some time. > > If you are seeing this: > > "Hello, either you have JavaScript turned off or an old version of > Adobe's Flash Player" > > ...then it's not the malware related message I've seen elsewhere. > > I don't know the answer. Perhaps it doesn't like your browser or the > version of Javascript it supports. Note that you will need ActiveX/ > plugins enabled (if using IE) to view embedded Flash. On the other > hand, it could be a broken Youtube page - that wouldn't surprise me, > since the page is dynamically generated and has a load of crappy > script associated with it. > > ActiveX enabled still no show. From joegill at removethis Thu Nov 26 15:03:48 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Thu Nov 26 15:05:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I like windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9CCE5BD7A4972TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >I just need to learn how to use it. > > And I bought a classic menu bar for the wife for office 'cause even after > 2 > years she's still not used to the ribbon. > > And MS bugs me. My printer doesn't work on any of my computers and yet MS > claims that it's natively supported. Well, if it's natively supported > then > why does the device manager say that the device is unavailable? Tell me more about the printer Make/Model Also, have you tried this... A) Uninstall printer from device manager B) Reboot C) See what it detects... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 26 21:15:51 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Nov 26 21:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Cable modem/wireless router combo Message-ID: OK...since effing Comcast has decided to jack the lease price on my modem from $3 to$5 a month (they swapped out my old surfboard saying it was a problem, I didn't ask for it), and this crappy $25 modem has been paid for over and over again, I need to get my own, and also need a wireless router for a mini netbook that I have. Slykat has said I should get a combo - anyone have suggestions? Comcast has a list of models they approve, the only one I can find is $150 on Amazon. Ouch..... I'm limited to Staples and Best Buy otherwise, we have no electronics stores around here.... From joegill at removethis Thu Nov 26 22:14:37 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Thu Nov 26 22:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hencoq$ijk$1@news.spamcop.net... > OK...since effing Comcast has decided to jack the lease price on my modem > from $3 to$5 a month (they swapped out my old surfboard saying it was a > problem, I didn't ask for it), and this crappy $25 modem has been paid for > over and over again, I need to get my own, and also need a wireless router > for a mini netbook that I have. Slykat has said I should get a combo - > anyone have suggestions? Comcast has a list of models they approve, the > only one I can find is $150 on Amazon. Ouch..... I'm limited to Staples > and Best Buy otherwise, we have no electronics stores around here.... > 1 dont' know cable modems.. so I am no help there! I myself, prefer separate components for separate functions, so I believe in separting the modem from the router. I am very partial to the Linksys WRT54G modem, CircuitCity has for $65, I know you say "I am limited to Stapes and Best Buy otherwise....", but you have the whole internet for ordering! For example Best Buy has a Motorola modem for $80 Last but not least, just a little warning about Comcrap and routers. Sometimes placing a wireless router on a Comcrap network is a PIA. You have to connect via the modem FIRST, then hookup the router and connect again, and hope their system recognizes it correctly. There are instructions elsewhere on the next. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Nov 26 23:25:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Nov 26 23:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:hengc8$kib$1@news.spamcop.net... > > 1 dont' know cable modems.. so I am no help there! > > I myself, prefer separate components for separate functions, so I believe > in separting the modem from the router. > I am very partial to the Linksys WRT54G modem, CircuitCity has for $65, > I know you say "I am limited to Stapes and Best Buy otherwise....", but > you have the whole internet for ordering! > For example Best Buy has a Motorola modem for $80 > > Last but not least, just a little warning about Comcrap and routers. > Sometimes placing a wireless router on a Comcrap network is a PIA. > You have to connect via the modem FIRST, then hookup the router and > connect again, and hope their system recognizes it correctly. > There are instructions elsewhere on the next. I think I'll be separating them out of financial necessity, it seems to be cheaper! Circuit City? Circut City died here in March....I thought they were completely out of business? I guess not! That linksys router isn't on their approved list, http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Which-cable-modems-are-approved-for-use-with-the-Comcast-High-Speed-Internet-service This one has a 'u' at the end so apparently isn't compatible either - any idea what the 'u' is for? http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3205275&CatId=160 I expect I'll be spending time on the phone with their craptastic tech support. The ones who insist I must start IE and clear the cache to solve my (their) speed problem, when I never USE IE.... "I'm not going to open IE when I use Firefox". "But IE is the only browser we're trained on". Well, as long as there's a good reason...... From me at privacy.net Fri Nov 27 00:17:14 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Nov 27 00:20:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:henkbv$lqp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:hengc8$kib$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> 1 dont' know cable modems.. so I am no help there! >> >> I myself, prefer separate components for separate functions, so I believe >> in separting the modem from the router. >> I am very partial to the Linksys WRT54G modem, CircuitCity has for $65, >> I know you say "I am limited to Stapes and Best Buy otherwise....", but >> you have the whole internet for ordering! >> For example Best Buy has a Motorola modem for $80 >> >> Last but not least, just a little warning about Comcrap and routers. >> Sometimes placing a wireless router on a Comcrap network is a PIA. >> You have to connect via the modem FIRST, then hookup the router and >> connect again, and hope their system recognizes it correctly. >> There are instructions elsewhere on the next. > > I think I'll be separating them out of financial necessity, it seems to be > cheaper! Circuit City? Circut City died here in March....I thought they > were completely out of business? I guess not! That linksys router isn't > on their approved list, > http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Which-cable-modems-are-approved-for-use-with-the-Comcast-High-Speed-Internet-service > This one has a 'u' at the end so apparently isn't compatible either - any > idea what the 'u' is for? > http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3205275&CatId=160 > > I expect I'll be spending time on the phone with their craptastic tech > support. The ones who insist I must start IE and clear the cache to solve > my (their) speed problem, when I never USE IE.... "I'm not going to open > IE when I use Firefox". "But IE is the only browser we're trained on". > Well, as long as there's a good reason...... I may have a stand alone cable modem in a box somewhere here if you want me to look for it. How fast do you need one? From joegill at removethis Fri Nov 27 00:57:16 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Nov 27 01:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:henkbv$lqp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:hengc8$kib$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> 1 dont' know cable modems.. so I am no help there! >> >> I myself, prefer separate components for separate functions, so I believe >> in separting the modem from the router. >> I am very partial to the Linksys WRT54G modem, CircuitCity has for $65, >> I know you say "I am limited to Stapes and Best Buy otherwise....", but >> you have the whole internet for ordering! >> For example Best Buy has a Motorola modem for $80 >> >> Last but not least, just a little warning about Comcrap and routers. >> Sometimes placing a wireless router on a Comcrap network is a PIA. >> You have to connect via the modem FIRST, then hookup the router and >> connect again, and hope their system recognizes it correctly. >> There are instructions elsewhere on the next. > > I think I'll be separating them out of financial necessity, it seems to be > cheaper! Circuit City? Circut City died here in March....I thought they > were completely out of business? I guess not! That linksys router isn't > on their approved list, > http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=Which-cable-modems-are-approved-for-use-with-the-Comcast-High-Speed-Internet-service The list I am seeing at their site is for 'MODEMS'... ... They shoudn't give a crap about what router you use.. HOWEVER, as I mentioned before, their setup is a little crazy...I think I remember it now... FIRST, connect your modem and set it up as a direct connection, forget about the router. SECOND, power down PC and modem, restart modem.. wait a couple minutes, restart PC. NOW, setup router, as a direct connection..... THEN, power down all, power up modem, wait a couple minutes, power up router, wait a couple minutes, power up PC.(This is the important step. Anytime the device connected to the modem changes, you need to recycle all.) THEN, setup for wireless (remembering to turn on encryption with a STRONG WPA2 key All should be well..... The NORMAL way I setup router/modems, is NOT above... COMCRAP does things differently. I had to drive 80 miles (each way) to set someone up, due to COMCRAP's paranoia. > This one has a 'u' at the end so apparently isn't compatible either - any > idea what the 'u' is for? > http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3205275&CatId=160 The company that owns 'TigerDirect', 'COMPUSA' and other brands brought the site name! Don't know...but one issue to be aware of. Most modems today are DOCSIS 2.0 compatible. Some cable systems are rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 systemFYUs, for which you will need a DOCSIS 3.0 modem IF your want to access the higher speeds (22M and 50M) > I expect I'll be spending time on the phone with their craptastic tech > support. The ones who insist I must start IE and clear the cache to solve > my (their) speed problem, when I never USE IE.... "I'm not going to open > IE when I use Firefox". "But IE is the only browser we're trained on". > Well, as long as there's a good reason...... COMCRAP phone / chat support is usually clueless (as are most 'help' desks. They are not 'help' desks, but merely 'process executors'/ They are not allowed to think!)\ FYI there are older and newer versions of the WRT54G.... If you want to 'roll the dice'... BestBuy online is selling 'refurb' version for $29.95, but reviews are mixed, I prefer the older style WRT54G.... I have have had BAD LUCK with Belkin routers, mixed results with NETGEAR routers. But rememember if you get what you pay for.. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 27 11:51:52 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 27 11:55:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:hennd6$msd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I may have a stand alone cable modem in a box somewhere here if you want > me to look for it. How fast do you need one? Not fast, but thank you for offering - actually, not having much luck finding a combo unit that was affordable, I went to Staples this morning and bought their special $35 netgear router - that will at least let me use the netbook. The Comcast modem will be turfed back to them as soon as I can find a compatible one (it has to be on their list) at a decent price. Damn, I hate being gouged.... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 27 11:56:49 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Nov 27 12:00:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:henpoh$npa$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > The list I am seeing at their site is for 'MODEMS'... ... They shoudn't > give a crap about what router you use.. HOWEVER, as I mentioned before, > their setup is a little crazy...I think I remember it now... > > FIRST, connect your modem and set it up as a direct connection, forget > about the router. > SECOND, power down PC and modem, restart modem.. wait a couple minutes, > restart PC. > NOW, setup router, as a direct connection..... > THEN, power down all, power up modem, wait a couple minutes, power up > router, wait a couple minutes, power up PC.(This is the important step. > Anytime the device connected to the modem changes, you need to recycle > all.) > THEN, setup for wireless (remembering to turn on encryption with a STRONG > WPA2 key > All should be well..... > > The NORMAL way I setup router/modems, is NOT above... COMCRAP does things > differently. I had to drive 80 miles (each way) to set someone up, due to > COMCRAP's paranoia. Thanks for that setup info - I will tackle this install after set up the new tv that's arriving today. More Comcrap gouging - $7 for an HD box, and $15 for an hd/dvr. No specials for existing customers either. GRR. > > > > >> This one has a 'u' at the end so apparently isn't compatible either - >> any idea what the 'u' is for? >> http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3205275&CatId=160 > > The company that owns 'TigerDirect', 'COMPUSA' and other brands brought > the site name! > Don't know...but one issue to be aware of. Most modems today are DOCSIS > 2.0 compatible. Some cable systems are rolling out DOCSIS 3.0 systemFYUs, > for which you will need a DOCSIS 3.0 modem IF your want to access the > higher speeds (22M and 50M) Those are big $$$, and from what I'm hearing you might not be able to use it yet, although they do list a couple. I won't be needing it, don't need to pay for more speed. They charge quite enough already. > > FYI there are older and newer versions of the WRT54G.... If you want to > 'roll the dice'... BestBuy online is selling 'refurb' version for $29.95, > but reviews are mixed, > I prefer the older style WRT54G.... > > I have have had BAD LUCK with Belkin routers, mixed results with NETGEAR > routers. But rememember if you get what you pay for.. I don't want to be bothered with refurbs, I want a warranty and someone to hold responsible if it craps out, LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Nov 27 23:37:55 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Nov 27 23:40:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hep0ck$62c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Thanks for that setup info - I will tackle this install after set up the > new tv that's arriving today. More Comcrap gouging - $7 for an HD box, and > $15 for an hd/dvr. No specials for existing customers either. GRR. Hmmm.....new TV, HD, HD-DVR......sounds like you're doing rather well in your new(ish) job? Congrats! From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Nov 28 01:20:18 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Nov 28 01:25:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:heq9f4$m9a$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hmmm.....new TV, HD, HD-DVR......sounds like you're doing rather well in > your new(ish) job? Congrats! My tv is a 22 year old 19" screen. It was time.......and I found a good tv on Amazon at a Black Friday price. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 29 19:48:36 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Nov 29 20:25:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:heqff5$of8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:heq9f4$m9a$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Hmmm.....new TV, HD, HD-DVR......sounds like you're doing rather well in >> your new(ish) job? Congrats! > > My tv is a 22 year old 19" screen. It was time.......and I found a good > tv on Amazon at a Black Friday price. > LCD or Plasma? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Nov 29 20:44:50 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Nov 29 20:45:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:hev6sl$e5m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:heqff5$of8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:heq9f4$m9a$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> Hmmm.....new TV, HD, HD-DVR......sounds like you're doing rather well in >>> your new(ish) job? Congrats! >> >> My tv is a 22 year old 19" screen. It was time.......and I found a good >> tv on Amazon at a Black Friday price. >> > LCD or Plasma? Plasma? Are you kidding? LCD... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 00:25:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Richard W) Date: Mon Nov 30 00:30:08 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Need sugestions recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> Spamcop mail? It was claimed that it is unfiltered, at least if you also >> view the spambox. > > Can't use spamcop name effectively for what I'm about. My understanding is Jeff does do mx hosting for outside domains. Or as I do, when I set up my domains I just have the mail forwarded to my SpamCop account. T-Bird lets you reply using the address the mail was sent to. Richard From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 00:29:52 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Richard W) Date: Mon Nov 30 00:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: How to add BlueTooth to a USB device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! >> Charles wrote: >> >>> But you have to know what that device is called! And I don't actually >>> want to use it on a printer - I want to use it with a security dongle. >> That doesn't make any sense to me yet. I think you are going to have to >> tell specifically which dongle and what you are trying to do. >> >> It would seem to me that something like a security dongle is going to >> want the 5V juice. > > It could be an Aladdin HASP key, for example. And yes, it will want 5v. > That doesn't bother me. I don't even mind plugging it in. But I'd like to > have it be connected to the computer via BlueTooth. > > I'd like a USB hub. A powered USB hub. That connects to the computer via > BlueTooth. So, yes, it will have a power cord. Hmm. It could be > rechargeable and on a powered base. Whatever. But with at least 4 USB > ports. And communication via BlueTooth. It would be like a docking > station for the computer only you wouldn't have to actually physically > connect anything. Does it have to be bluetooth? Haven't heard of anything your looking for. I have a USB print server and can plug anything into it and access it via secured wifi. Richard From me at privacy.net Mon Nov 30 12:15:58 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Nov 30 12:20:07 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Need Ideas and informaton on back up and off site back up. Message-ID: I've tried several off site data storage programs/services and no joy. I'm interested in setting up duplicate hardware, one here on site and one off site and likely out of state. Can I use old towers/cpu's with large HDD or do I need to go all new and sophisticated equipment? (cost) BTW while the data is mission critical it is not a security concern as the data is all under copyright and on the web so anyone accessing is unlikely to be able to use it. What I do need is to prevent malicious hacking where the back ups are damaged or deleted. TIA From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Nov 30 21:25:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Nov 30 21:30:09 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Cable modem/wireless router combo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:hev82j$eq2$1@news.spamcop.net... >> LCD or Plasma? > > Plasma? Are you kidding? LCD... What's wrong with plasma TVs? I think they're brighter than LCDs and have a wider viewer angle, and last time I looked the price difference wasn't very much, if at all. They're also less prone to damage than LCDs -- you can permanently kill LCD pixels by simply putting too much grip pressure on the screen while installing them -- and I should know, because I killed a bunch installing a 15" LCD monitor in my cramped bedroom armoire. Luckily they're all near the top edge of the screen , so it's not really noticeable while watching TV in bed, although it's painfully obvious up close.