From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 4 11:34:08 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:35:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:gvp606$ee1$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > TweakUI or regedit but... > > For Windows XP Home Edition - While you can configure Windows XP Home > Edition to show Administrator account in the Welcome Screen, you cannot > login as Administrator in Normal mode. Visit the following link for more > information: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=290109 Error Message: > Unable to Log You on Because of an Account Restriction I got a good one for you Mike -- almost a month ago my PC was so messed up I had to re-format the drive and reinstall Vista and all my dozens of apps from scratch. Still not done with it, but some strange things have been going on lately, like some control panel setting being changed, and not by me. I've been using TweakVI and another pay-for app called DTweak to make the system look and run the way I want to, but one aggravating issue is particularly vexing me. I CANNOT restore the "take ownership" context menu command by any method, using tweakers or directly editing the registry. For some reason almost all the folder icons decided to turn into "blank page" icons instead of the default folder icon last week, and since I can't take ownership of the main folder I have to manually find and change every frigging fold icon. Plus, two days ago two other strange things happened: all the sudden my main user account was changed from admin to "normal user", and a new adminstrator account showed up with full privileges. How in god's green earth can a new user account be created without me doing it? I have UAC turned off, BTW, because it's such a royal PITA to deal with. I downloaded a couple software apps from "questionable" sources, but scanned every file with AVG8.5 before using them and I have Spybot running in the background for further protection, plus Windows Firewall and Defender, all up to date, so I doubt I'm infected -- I ran a Spybot scan yesterday and came up clean. On top of all of that, some weird keyboard shortcuts have apparently been activated --- for instance, just as second ago I fumble fingered the keyboard, have no idea what I hit, but it wiped out everything I had just wrote in this reply. Thankfully "undo" recovered the text. Any help on any of the above issues is more than welcome, although I know you're still a 98 guy, not a Vista guy. P.S. I've been googling my brains out on the "take ownership" and "runas admin" issues with no luck. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 4 15:36:15 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h08phh$p2$1@news.spamcop.net... > ...more or less that his computer is pwned.... And the source of your Vista install disk? and did you get on the net while the administrator accounts had no, or default passwords? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 4 21:46:07 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 4 21:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h097nh$fio$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h08phh$p2$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > ...more or less that his computer is pwned.... Who wrote that? It showed up as a quote with no attribution. > > And the source of your Vista install disk? Of course I don't have one, you never get WinBloze disks when you buy a puter retail. I used the two System Recovery disks I created when I first bought the PC to re-install Vista. > > and did you get on the net while the administrator accounts had no, or > default passwords? Erm, yes......I got irritated with having bootup being a two step process (having to boot halfway then enter a PW to continue). I like to turn on the PC, walk away for a few minutes and do something productive and come back to a fully ready to use PC. Plus, if I go to "create a password" I get a warning message that I'll lose "all EFS-encrypted files, personal certificates, and stored passwords for web sites and network resources". I surely DON'T want that to happen! The weird thing about the two different admin accounts is that the old default one (my PC name/myname) has two additional options to it: "Delete this Account" and "Change the Account Type". The new mystery account named admininstrator/adminstrator does NOT have either option! How do I delete an apparently protected and unwanted user account? I can't delete the stupid guest account I created either. I *could* delete the profile stored in C:\Users, but that might lead to disaster for all I know. I _have_ solved a few issues today: I discovered that my normal admin account didn't "own" C:\ or any subdirectories/files! So via a rather long process I was eventually able to retake the ownership of everything on C:\ except for a few system protected files using the advanced permission/ownership method. I also just took away all rights to that mystery account from C: drive, deleted it thru the "properties" tab. I still have a few vexing problems: 1) For some weird reason a lot (most) of my user created folders have had their icon changed from the default folder icon to the "blank page" icon. These folders were restored from a backup, maybe the folder .ini file wasn't copied too? Or the backup app doesn't save folder icon settings, I dunno....and I cannot find any way to mass change folder icons, like in a batch mode. So I have to change them 1 by 1, and even stranger, if I don't hit the "apply" button, just hit the "ok" button, the change doesn't "stick" like it used to do. 2) I've installed the latest Vista debugger software, but it require some huge "symbols" file to run. I've downloaded two different files, "WindowsVista.6000.061101-2205.ia64fre.Symbols.exe" and "WindowsVista.6000.061101-2205.x86fre.Symbols.exe", run them as admin, but both crap out (crash) about 20 seconds into the install process. 3) It *appears* that I have two users running on the machine according to http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_there_is_another_user_logged_onto_your_computer_when_i_shut_down.html because I currently have two explorer.exe instances running, but from looking at various process explorers I think this guy is off his rocker. However, this data gives me pause: C:\Windows\System32>net share Share name Resource Remark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C$ C:\ Default share D$ D:\ Default share I$ I:\ Default share IPC$ Remote IPC J$ J:\ Default share ADMIN$ C:\Windows Remote Admin I have ALL remote services turned off --- what the hell is ADMIN$ C:\Windows Remote Admin? Same for IPC$. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jun 5 08:05:46 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (bar0) Date: Fri Jun 5 08:10:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h09td0$52k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "bar0" wrote in message > news:h097nh$fio$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:h08phh$p2$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >> ...more or less that his computer is pwned.... > > Who wrote that? It showed up as a quote with no attribution. Sorry it was not meant to be a quote, more of a summarry of what I understood from your post. > >> >> And the source of your Vista install disk? > > Of course I don't have one, you never get WinBloze disks when you buy a > puter retail. I used the two System Recovery disks I created when I first > bought the PC to re-install Vista. That's OK > >> >> and did you get on the net while the administrator accounts had no, or >> default passwords? > > Erm, yes......I got irritated with having bootup being a two step process > (having to boot halfway then enter a PW to continue). I like to turn on > the PC, walk away for a few minutes and do something productive and come > back to a fully ready to use PC. Plus, if I go to "create a password" I > get a warning message that I'll lose "all EFS-encrypted files, personal > certificates, and stored passwords for web sites and network resources". I > surely DON'T want that to happen! > > The weird thing about the two different admin accounts is that the old > default one (my PC name/myname) has two additional options to it: "Delete > this Account" and "Change the Account Type". The new mystery account named > admininstrator/adminstrator does NOT have either option! How do I delete > an apparently protected and unwanted user account? I can't delete the > stupid guest account I created either. I *could* delete the profile stored > in C:\Users, but that might lead to disaster for all I know. > > I _have_ solved a few issues today: I discovered that my normal admin > account didn't "own" C:\ or any subdirectories/files! So via a rather long > process I was eventually able to retake the ownership of everything on C:\ > except for a few system protected files using the advanced > permission/ownership method. I also just took away all rights to that > mystery account from C: drive, deleted it thru the "properties" tab. > > I still have a few vexing problems: > > 1) For some weird reason a lot (most) of my user created folders have had > their icon changed from the default folder icon to the "blank page" icon. > These folders were restored from a backup, maybe the folder .ini file > wasn't copied too? Or the backup app doesn't save folder icon settings, I > dunno....and I cannot find any way to mass change folder icons, like in a > batch mode. So I have to change them 1 by 1, and even stranger, if I don't > hit the "apply" button, just hit the "ok" button, the change doesn't > "stick" like it used to do. > > 2) I've installed the latest Vista debugger software, but it require some > huge "symbols" file to run. I've downloaded two different files, > "WindowsVista.6000.061101-2205.ia64fre.Symbols.exe" and > "WindowsVista.6000.061101-2205.x86fre.Symbols.exe", run them as admin, but > both crap out (crash) about 20 seconds into the install process. > > 3) It *appears* that I have two users running on the machine according to > http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_there_is_another_user_logged_onto_your_computer_when_i_shut_down.html > because I currently have two explorer.exe instances running, but from > looking at various process explorers I think this guy is off his rocker. > However, this data gives me pause: > > C:\Windows\System32>net share > > Share name Resource Remark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > C$ C:\ Default share > D$ D:\ Default share > I$ I:\ Default share > IPC$ Remote IPC > J$ J:\ Default share > ADMIN$ C:\Windows Remote Admin > > I have ALL remote services turned off --- what the hell is ADMIN$ > C:\Windows Remote Admin? Same for IPC$. Hmmm... I think something bad happened along the way of restoring the system. From me at privacy.net Fri Jun 5 14:30:46 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Fri Jun 5 14:35:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h0b1mt$2lp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h09td0$52k$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "bar0" wrote in message >> news:h097nh$fio$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> "indigo" wrote in message >>> news:h08phh$p2$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> >>> ...more or less that his computer is pwned.... >> >> Who wrote that? It showed up as a quote with no attribution. > > Sorry it was not meant to be a quote, more of a summarry of what I > understood from your post. > >> >>> clip >> I have ALL remote services turned off --- what the hell is ADMIN$ >> C:\Windows Remote Admin? Same for IPC$. > > Hmmm... I think something bad happened along the way of restoring the > system. > I have had excellence results from ghosting my HDD to some other partition (or drive.) Successfully restored from the image to the HDD. Seems that might be a way to replace the installation disks. Make the ghost as soon as the computer is out of the box - and as backups forever. BTW my ghost also produces a set of images (sized to copy to DVDs) so I can copy those images onto DVDs. That way if your partition that has the install image on it craps out, you still have the DVDs. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 6 01:29:22 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 6 01:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "bar0" wrote in message news:h0b1mt$2lp$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I still have a few vexing problems: >> >> 1) For some weird reason a lot (most) of my user created folders have had >> their icon changed from the default folder icon to the "blank page" icon. >> These folders were restored from a backup, maybe the folder .ini file >> wasn't copied too? Or the backup app doesn't save folder icon settings, I >> dunno....and I cannot find any way to mass change folder icons, like in a >> batch mode. So I have to change them 1 by 1, and even stranger, if I >> don't hit the "apply" button, just hit the "ok" button, the change >> doesn't "stick" like it used to do. Still having this issue, I chalk it down to a one time 'reset all folders to default' cmd I executed once. Damn thing also enabled 'grouping files by type', something I haven't been able to change in batch mode, just like changine folder icons back to folder icons instead of a "blank page" icon. >> >> 3) It *appears* that I have two users running on the machine according to >> http://ask-leo.com/why_do_i_get_there_is_another_user_logged_onto_your_computer_when_i_shut_down.html >> because I currently have two explorer.exe instances running, but from >> looking at various process explorers I think this guy is off his rocker. >> However, this data gives me pause: >> >> C:\Windows\System32>net share >> >> Share name Resource Remark >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> C$ C:\ Default share >> D$ D:\ Default share >> I$ I:\ Default share >> IPC$ Remote IPC >> J$ J:\ Default share >> ADMIN$ C:\Windows Remote Admin Well, I deleted the Remote Admin account in net share (it still appears in UAC), and I disabled IPC$ today, it's a remote admin account. Still wondering how both automagically showed up after a complete reinstall, BTW , I also gave the mystery admin account a PW in case it's a real breakin (all scans show nothing amiss). Alot of strange things going on, but I've neve done a complete system restore before..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 6 18:53:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: crate adm account. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:v8ltfuv02-436D0C.12222906062009@killface.local... > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > >> and I disabled IPC$ today, > > That's your printer sharing and is enabled by default. > -- > -David Strange that it was there since I have/had all "sharing" of _everything_ turned off via various control panel apps.....what do you think about deleting that mystery admin account? It's basically just a user profile, I looked at it today. From joegill at removethis Sat Jun 6 19:49:00 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Specialize mapping tool Message-ID: I work with a social service agency. That agency has defined 'territories' or boundaries that do not fall 'neatly' in any sort of zip code or census tract boundaries. I am looking for software that could perform the following function: 1) Allow me to define a territory 2) Then allow me to supply street address and get back 'inside' or 'outside'. Of course being for a social service agency, the available funds for it is 0. Any assistance in direction would be appreciatesd! TIA From connyank at cox.net Sat Jun 6 21:51:09 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jrg) Date: Sat Jun 6 21:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialize mapping tool In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/06/2009 04:49 PM Joe Gill scribbled: > I work with a social service agency. That agency has defined 'territories' > or boundaries that do not fall 'neatly' in any sort of zip code or census > tract boundaries. > I am looking for software that could perform the following function: > 1) Allow me to define a territory > 2) Then allow me to supply street address and get back 'inside' or > 'outside'. > > Of course being for a social service agency, the available funds for it is > 0. > > Any assistance in direction would be appreciatesd! > > TIA > Haven't a clue, but you make take a look at Google Earth - that package has some cool bells and whistles... From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 8 12:55:27 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 8 13:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialized algorithm References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > I'm looking for a good algorithm for distance from a point to a polygon. > All in 3d (the polygon is not in one plane), completely irregular and > the point can be anywhere inside or outside. The polygon is defined by > its vertices. There can be any number of vertices but let's just say > that I'll never have more than 200 of them or fewer than 4. According to the wikipedia, there are a lot of different formats and software for defining a 3d polygon. You didn't mention the ware. > We're currently using the naive algorithm - an iterative loop and > distance to each segment. This is not the only reason that it's slow > for a large number of vertices (100+) but it sure doesn't help matters! -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Jun 8 15:28:52 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Jun 8 15:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialized algorithm References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > I'm looking for a good algorithm for distance from a point to a polygon. > All in 3d (the polygon is not in one plane), completely irregular and > the point can be anywhere inside or outside. The polygon is defined by > its vertices. There can be any number of vertices but let's just say > that I'll never have more than 200 of them or fewer than 4. I would get myself a 3d modeling program to make a polygonal mesh. There are free ones for your favorite platform. That way you don't have to reinvent the wheel to handle the algorithms. > We're currently using the naive algorithm - an iterative loop and > distance to each segment. This is not the only reason that it's slow > for a large number of vertices (100+) but it sure doesn't help matters! It seems to me that something as simple as Terragen which is used for landscapes (surfaces) would be about the same as an irregular 3d polygon which would have a tool for figuring out how far a point or object was from the 'ground' - the landscape surface of Terragen - or from its perimeter if that's what you are going for. If Terragen doesn't do it, there must be plenty of others. Here's a wiki article on generative modeling language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_Modelling_Language a very simple programming language for the concise description of complex 3D shapes. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Mon Jun 8 21:39:00 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Mon Jun 8 21:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialized algorithm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > ... he's putting all > of his energy into looking at things that are not causing problems. > In Oz we have an entire government doing that all the time - no, eight of them if you include the moonbeams of the greater lunacy which are the State and Territorial governments. He would have a real future down here. But yeah, ray tracing (seems to me) is another field which does the sort of massive mapping you are after, as a minor part of its magic. Your difficulty being that what you are after is a low-level part of the processing of a number of mature technologies so it has become a sort of a 'black-box' to those. 'Solid analytic geometry' is the the core I guess, and that is 'too simple' - sqrt((x2-x1)^2+(y2-y1)^2+(z2-z1)^2) sort of stuff. Must be people who know this field inside out - good luck, wish I could actually do something for you. From user at domain.invalid Tue Jun 9 02:48:03 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Tue Jun 9 02:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialized algorithm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > There must be published algorithms. And your formula only takes point to > point distance into account - it's much worse than merely point to point! > But, right, that sort of thing. Kind of. There are some dot products in > there, for fun. But, yeah. I don't think it very efficient. Agreed/understood. Cadastral survey might be another discipline with some appropriate algorithms. Despite the methodology, the survey math is much more than simple point to point. I'll bet the old libraries of contributors' solutions for programmable calculators would have efficient algos for most 'practical' things. Some of that effort might be available online - TI-59 in particular had a great (paper) library, as I recall. From joegill at removethis Wed Jun 10 00:41:44 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Jun 10 00:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Great tool for analyzing your network Message-ID: http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/ From DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net Wed Jun 10 01:01:42 2009 From: DeathToSpam at crazyhat.net (DevilsPGD) Date: Wed Jun 10 01:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Specialize mapping tool References: Message-ID: <5srt251jnkk6u1jfvf2n93kf5u0m11g9a1@4ax.com> In message "Joe Gill" was claimed to have wrote: >I work with a social service agency. That agency has defined 'territories' >or boundaries that do not fall 'neatly' in any sort of zip code or census >tract boundaries. >I am looking for software that could perform the following function: >1) Allow me to define a territory >2) Then allow me to supply street address and get back 'inside' or >'outside'. > >Of course being for a social service agency, the available funds for it is >0. > >Any assistance in direction would be appreciatesd! Microsoft MapPoint does something like this, although it's far from a free product. From apartamento at jardim-camburi-vitoria.com Wed Jun 10 18:40:48 2009 From: apartamento at jardim-camburi-vitoria.com (apartamento jardim camburi) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:45:05 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Ligue agora mesmo 0xx27 3084-5709 vendo apartamento em jardim camburi , oportunidade de negocio apto 4823846542 Message-ID: Apartamento de 2 quartos com suite a partir de 110.000. Otimo local. Perto de escolas , padarias e comercio em geral. Contato: Tel 0xx27 3084-5709 corretorimoveisjc@gmail.com corretorimoveisjc(arroba)gmail.com Apartamentos de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Apartamentos de 3 quartos com suíte em Jardim Camburí Imóveis de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Apartamento de 3 quartos em Jardim Camburí Casa de 3 quartos em Jardim camburi Cobertura de frente ao Mar em Jardim camburi. Imoveis na Planta em Jardim Camburi $AHjqfIdJ! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jun 13 10:40:50 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Jun 13 10:45:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] win tax Message-ID: Here's something disgusting I saw in an article at ZDNet today: Hardware vendors don't much care about the "Windows Tax," Microsoft's plan to push upgrades of the Windows 7 it will ship with netbooks (at a reported $3 each) to Home Premium, which costs much more. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4339 Not too sure what to make of it all; guess I'm getting old. Twayne` From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 13 10:55:19 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 13 11:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: Subject: win tax > Here's something disgusting I saw in an article at ZDNet today: > > Hardware vendors don't much care about the "Windows Tax," Microsoft's > plan to push upgrades of the Windows 7 it will ship with netbooks (at a > reported $3 each) to Home Premium, which costs much more. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4339 That article is not about 'win tax' or the sentence you quoted. June 11th, 2009 IBM expects Linux to make money Posted by Dana Blankenhorn -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jun 13 12:20:49 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Jun 13 12:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Twayne wrote: > Subject: win tax >> Here's something disgusting I saw in an article at ZDNet today: >> >> Hardware vendors don't much care about the "Windows Tax," Microsoft's >> plan to push upgrades of the Windows 7 it will ship with netbooks >> (at a reported $3 each) to Home Premium, which costs much more. >> >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4339 > > That article is not about 'win tax' or the sentence you quoted. > > June 11th, 2009 > IBM expects Linux to make money > Posted by Dana Blankenhorn ?? Sorry; I'll look into it. I think I posted a URL that doesn't change with the page you view. I forgot ZDNet does that. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 13 13:29:53 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 13 13:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Twayne wrote: > Subject: win tax > That article is not about 'win tax' There's another problem with the term 'win tax' and that is that it actually doesn't mean anything in real life except a concept that the linux fanbois made up. The fanboi (theoretical/hypothetical) concept is that computer mfr/s have to pay a significant licensing fee to MS and then that licensing fee is passed on to the purchaser of the hardware -- so that the purchaser pays more for having windows preinstalled than they would if they bought the same hardware with no OS or with a linux OS installed. But that isn't true. Nowadays several things happen. -1- the licensing cost to the mfr is really really cheap and they don't pay it anyway because -2- the mfr bundles all kinds of ware with the OS for which the mfr gets rebated because it is a demo or introduction to a payware version; those kickbacks are much more than MS's licensing fee -3- subsequently and because of 1&2, the mfr *MAKES MONEY* installing the MS OS and the bloatware and cannot sell the same hardware without an OS or with a linux OS for the same price. If you follow Dell's regular prices for hardware and their sale prices and specials, month in and month out all of the good deals are with MS OS, not the occasional deals with linux. If you shop diligently for hardware, you will always get a better deal with a MS OS installed (plus the bloatware) than if you try to find the same ware without. You don't get a real MS license. You get an image of an installed OS. You don't get any software for the pre-installed bloatware - just the preinstalled image. Now and in the case of these articles, the term 'win tax' is being redesigned/redefined to mean something else entirely, since the old win tax term didn't mean anything, the anti-MS whiners are making up a new one. BTW, I too think MS is guilty of unfair business practices in its relations with hardware makers. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10252407-56.html Although Microsoft is lifting the three-application limit, it notes that there are still a number of other differences between Starter and Home Premium, including the former's lack of support for Windows 7's cool graphics, multiple monitors, Windows Media Center or XP Mode, among other features. http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4336 June 11th, 2009 - Fight Windows tax with a penguin stick - Microsoft's plan to push upgrades of the Windows 7 it will ship with netbooks (at a reported $3 each) to Home Premium, which costs much more. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 13 14:19:03 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 13 14:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! > >> -2- the mfr >> bundles all kinds of ware with the OS for which the mfr gets rebated >> because it is a demo or introduction to a payware version; those >> kickbacks are much more than MS's licensing fee > > References, Mike, where are the references??? In the past, I've bought a Compaq desktop with XP Media Center + a lot of bloatware installed. I've more recently bought an eMachine laptop w/ Vista + a little bloatware installed. So, I've seen the results first hand. Neither of them even supplied any disk of any kind, just a restore image on the hdd. Both machines had the capability of burning the restore image to a few DVDs or a lot of CDs. The Compaq had the xpinstall+ image stashed on a visible partition; the eMachine had the vistainstall+ image stashed on an invisible 'special' Acer partition. It is not possible to achieve a 'clean' OS install with either machine unless you bring your pirated or MS licensed disks. The mfr/s & MS generally keep it a secret about how little each mfr is paying for the MS license because the prices are all over the map, ergo it is a 'trade secret'. The mfr/s and the bloatware developers also keep it a secret about the kickback deal they've made. It is all a secret conspiracy - oops business plan - designed to make the sale of the hardware more competitive which takes money out of the consumer's hands and into the hardware guys' pockets, and also subsequently out of the consumer's hands and into the kickback software developers hands. This business about the $3 Win7 starter is one of the few times the cost of the MS license to the mfr has been exposed. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jun 13 18:59:28 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Jun 13 19:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Twayne wrote: >> Subject: win tax > >> That article is not about 'win tax' ... > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10252407-56.html Although > Microsoft is lifting the three-application limit, it notes that there > are still a number of other differences between Starter and Home > Premium, including the former's lack of support for Windows 7's cool > graphics, multiple monitors, Windows Media Center or XP Mode, among > other features. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4336 June 11th, 2009 - Fight > Windows tax with a penguin stick - Microsoft's plan to push upgrades > of the Windows 7 it will ship with netbooks (at a reported $3 each) > to Home Premium, which costs much more. No arguement from this camp, Mike. BTW, thanks for posting the windows tax/penguin stick for me; saved me the time since some unexpected things came up today. The $3 upgrades kinda POs me, especially since MS has a tendancy to ship SW that's more Alpha than BETA or even RC anymore, and so far as I've seen, that's what they are talking about doing. I feel sure the scope of the $3 is much wider than the one stated item above. They have some big plans stashed away once they get people to swallow the first one. There are already vendors out there that make you pay for their "upgrades" which are really bug fixes. Netobject's Fusion being one in particular I've had the unfortunate experience to be bitten by. IT'd be hell to have this catch on with the mainstream! If they want me to pay $3 for a prettier font or whatever, that's semi-understandable, but damned if I'd pay them any amount to fix their own Eff-ups. Yeah, I know, there's lots of ways to debate that in both direction when you try to define what's a Effup and what's an act of the devil. MS only has two barbed hooks left in my skin and one of these days soon I'll be able to remove those too, and wave a finger to them as I depart, carefully watching the door so as to not let it hit me in the ass. Everything but the OS and VB are now GPL, or otherwise open sourced or freeware. I do have a couple expensive apps, but they are not MS's apps. But still single-sourced, dang it! I'm making good headway on PHP and Python, and as soon as one more driver issue settles out for some rather expensive equipment I can't just repurchase, I'm gone from their icy grips! I'd much rather pay, say, OO.o for a new feature than MS's rape/obsolesented prices for it in Office. And if they manage to finally pull XP out from under me, I'll go anyway; for not much more than the cost of their "new" OS I'll spring for the hardware first! XP is my last microsoft windows operating system/application/ whatever. Well, unless they can dig up a much better business model, that is. I think the next decade might be an interesting one. Cheers, Twayne From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 13 19:59:25 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Sat Jun 13 20:00:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h10qij$goi$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was "Mike Easter" ! >> >>> -2- the mfr >>> bundles all kinds of ware with the OS for which the mfr gets rebated >>> because it is a demo or introduction to a payware version; those >>> kickbacks are much more than MS's licensing fee >> >> References, Mike, where are the references??? > > In the past, I've bought a Compaq desktop with XP Media Center + a lot of > bloatware installed. I've more recently bought an eMachine laptop w/ > Vista + a little bloatware installed. So, I've seen the results first > hand. Neither of them even supplied any disk of any kind, just a restore > image on the hdd. Both machines had the capability of burning the > restore image to a few DVDs or a lot of CDs. The Compaq had the > xpinstall+ image stashed on a visible partition; the eMachine had the > vistainstall+ image stashed on an invisible 'special' Acer partition. It > is not possible to achieve a 'clean' OS install with either machine > unless you bring your pirated or MS licensed disks. > > The mfr/s & MS generally keep it a secret about how little each mfr is > paying for the MS license because the prices are all over the map, ergo > it is a 'trade secret'. The mfr/s and the bloatware developers also keep > it a secret about the kickback deal they've made. It is all a secret > conspiracy - oops business plan - designed to make the sale of the > hardware more competitive which takes money out of the consumer's hands > and into the hardware guys' pockets, and also subsequently out of the > consumer's hands and into the kickback software developers hands. > > This business about the $3 Win7 starter is one of the few times the cost > of the MS license to the mfr has been exposed. > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > As an example, I just configured a Dell Inspiron 530n with Ubuntu for $673 and the matching Dell Inspiron 530 with 64bit Vista for $664. Of course, to match the hardware, I had to upgrade several of the options on the Linux box and they will not configure a Linux box without a monitor. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 13 21:04:04 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 13 21:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Steven Underwood wrote: > "Mike Easter" >>>> -2- the mfr >>>> bundles all kinds of ware with the OS for which the mfr gets rebated >>>> because it is a demo or introduction to a payware version; those >>>> kickbacks are much more than MS's licensing fee >> It is not possible to achieve a 'clean' OS install with >> either machine unless you bring your pirated or MS licensed disks. > As an example, I just configured a Dell Inspiron 530n with Ubuntu for > $673 and the matching Dell Inspiron 530 with 64bit Vista for $664. Of > course, to match the hardware, I had to upgrade several of the options > on the Linux box and they will not configure a Linux box without a > monitor. You were lucky to be able to configure an Ub for only a few dollars more. It actually makes more sense to buy the MS OS model. Then you can have more OSes on the machine; the MS one which came from the mfr and whichever linux distros you like on other partitions. The advantage of buying a machine with a MS OS that is also sold with a linux distro is that you know you won't have any hardware driver issues for the linuxes. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jun 13 23:11:55 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jun 13 23:15:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> In the past, I've bought a Compaq desktop with XP Media Center + a lot >> of bloatware installed. > > That shows that there's bloatware - not that the mfg made more money > from said bloatware than they paid ms. It computes/ is logical/ that if you can sell a computer with a cheap MS license and some bloatware which profits the software developers - for less money than you can sell a computer without any MS license or the bloatware, that the value of the bloatware stocking kickback to the mfr is greater than the cost of the MS license. You can derive your own equations if you like, you /could/ say that BOTH MS and the bloatware developers are paying the mfr to stock the computer, but according to MS's balance sheet, I don't believe that it works that way. MS is making a profit on the cheap installed image license and the mfr is getting more than enough money from the bloatwaremakers to cover that license overhead. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Sun Jun 14 22:29:49 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Jun 14 22:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: In article , "Mike Easter" wrote: > There's another problem with the term 'win tax' and that is that it > actually doesn't mean anything in real life except a concept that the > linux fanbois made up. > > The fanboi (theoretical/hypothetical) concept is that computer mfr/s have > to pay a significant licensing fee to MS and then that licensing fee is > passed on to the purchaser of the hardware -- so that the purchaser pays > more for having windows preinstalled than they would if they bought the > same hardware with no OS or with a linux OS installed. But that isn't > true. This article: http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/06/03/microsoft.relabels.netbook/ notes that M$ is relabeling netbooks as "low cost small notebook PCs," the speculation being that the new label will better let it force system makers into using more expensive versions of Windows 7 on certain computers. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com "When the fate of so many rests in the hands of so few, can the failure to be accountable ever be forgiven?" - Stephen Hawking From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jun 16 21:02:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jun 16 21:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Fscking Vista Manager! Message-ID: I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking to see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which still remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp installation directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the Recycle bin, and I can see the directory, but if you look there with Explorer it can't find or see it. In an attempt to recover from the mistake, today I downloaded a trial version of a program called "Vista Manager". DO NOT EVER INSTALL THIS APP!!!! I ran their system repair mini-app after sfc/scannow still showed a couple of corrupt files, but it didn't work, and worst of all, by hitting "save" within the main app it applied ALL of it's built in default settings! Now when I hit the "start" button almost nothing shows up in my "programs" directory. I've backed up in time twice using System Restore, up to two days ago, and I'm still SOL -- somehow Vista Manager permanently changed things in the reg file that System Restore can't fix. Now I have to go find the last reg file backup I made and see if I can recover that way.....what a fscking POS software! I'm still researching on how to let Vista "discover" those super hidden files in the recycle bin so I can fix Excel -- without them, I can't even uninstall Office 2003 and reinstall to fix the problem! From connyank at cox.net Tue Jun 16 22:21:41 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jrg) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/16/2009 06:02 PM indigo scribbled: > I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few > weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of > random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking to > see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which still > remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp installation > directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the Recycle bin, and I > can see the directory, but if you look there with Explorer it can't find or > see it. > > In an attempt to recover from the mistake, today I downloaded a trial > version of a program called "Vista Manager". DO NOT EVER INSTALL THIS > APP!!!! I ran their system repair mini-app after sfc/scannow still showed a > couple of corrupt files, but it didn't work, and worst of all, by hitting > "save" within the main app it applied ALL of it's built in default settings! > Now when I hit the "start" button almost nothing shows up in my "programs" > directory. I've backed up in time twice using System Restore, up to two days > ago, and I'm still SOL -- somehow Vista Manager permanently changed things > in the reg file that System Restore can't fix. > > Now I have to go find the last reg file backup I made and see if I can > recover that way.....what a fscking POS software! > > I'm still researching on how to let Vista "discover" those super hidden > files in the recycle bin so I can fix Excel -- without them, I can't even > uninstall Office 2003 and reinstall to fix the problem! > you should seriously consider linux/bsd to protect you from yourself From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jun 17 09:19:48 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jun 17 09:20:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: win tax References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> It is not possible to achieve a 'clean' OS install with either machine >> unless you bring your pirated or MS licensed disks. > > There are, perhaps, ways. With lenovo it doesn't look like you can do a > clean install either but if you press the proper magic key sequence > during the installation you can actually select what gets installed and > more importantly what does not. Obtaining the secret knowledge will > cost you 10 gold coins and a few experience points, of course, but it > is worth it. I have never done a restore, but I have examined the files on the restoration partition, and it is my estimation that there isn't an _installation_ process of OS or installed apps, there is a restoration of a disk image. In that scenario there would be no options, there would be a GO button. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 17 11:49:47 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 17 11:50:12 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "jrg" wrote in message news:h19jvl$2ph$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > you should seriously consider linux/bsd to protect you from yourself Like I'm the first person to ever get in trouble on a M$ system by mistakenly deleting a file or mystery directory......thanks for all you help bub. From connyank at cox.net Wed Jun 17 12:12:13 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jrg) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:15:10 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/17/2009 08:49 AM indigo scribbled: > "jrg" wrote in message > news:h19jvl$2ph$1@news.spamcop.net... >> you should seriously consider linux/bsd to protect you from yourself > > Like I'm the first person to ever get in trouble on a M$ system by > mistakenly deleting a file or mystery directory no one said you were. ......thanks for all you help > bub. > I gave you the help I could - I've dumped windoze long ago so have forgotten more than you'll ever know, given your current state. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 17 12:25:57 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:30:05 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "jrg" wrote in message news:h1b4ku$ikp$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 06/17/2009 08:49 AM indigo scribbled: > >> "jrg" wrote in message >> news:h19jvl$2ph$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> you should seriously consider linux/bsd to protect you from yourself >> >> Like I'm the first person to ever get in trouble on a M$ system by >> mistakenly deleting a file or mystery directory > > no one said you were. > > ......thanks for all you help >> bub. >> > I gave you the help I could - I've dumped windoze long ago so have > forgotten more than you'll ever know, given your current state. Why the fscking continuing digs at me, jagoff? Quit responding if you're not going to offer help, I don't need any more aggravation than I'm dealing with now. I thought most people were above the OS war shit these days, guess not. Grow up already. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/17/2009 09:25 AM indigo scribbled: I thought most people were above the OS war shit these days, guess not. > Grow up already. > What I wrote had nothing to do with any s/w wars, it was based upon the belief that you'd be better off without windows. And I failed to see any request for help anyway - just an admission of shooting yourself in the foot and a reminder to all not to download software they don't know, this to a geek group, thank you very much. And then you whine for getting tweaked, on usenet no less. yeh, I'll grow up... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 17 22:21:05 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 17 22:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "jrg" wrote in message news:h1c5pt$lkh$1@news.spamcop.net... > And I failed to see > any request for help anyway - just an admission of shooting yourself in > the foot and a reminder to all not to download software they don't know, > this to a geek group, thank you very much. > What does: "I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking to see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which still remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp installation directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the Recycle bin, and I can see the directory, but if you look there with Explorer it can't find or see it." Mean to you except an ask for help in recovering those super hidden installation files? From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Jun 18 00:26:40 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Jun 18 00:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > I'm still researching on how to let Vista "discover" those super hidden > files in the recycle bin so I can fix Excel -- without them, I can't > even uninstall Office 2003 and reinstall to fix the problem! Rather than do this from the UI, does Vista have a command prompt, and can you move/copy the files that way rather than the UI? AndrewB From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jun 18 00:51:10 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jun 18 00:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! References: Message-ID: AndrewB wrote: > indigo wrote: > >> I'm still researching on how to let Vista "discover" those super hidden >> files in the recycle bin so I can fix Excel -- without them, I can't >> even uninstall Office 2003 and reinstall to fix the problem! > > Rather than do this from the UI, does Vista have a command prompt, and > can you move/copy the files that way rather than the UI? I think I'm understanding that he can see what is in recycle, but he doesn't know how to recognize it -- he forgot what he deleted looked like (because what it looked like was reportedly weird). I've never looked at a Vista recycle bin, or XP's for that matter -- presumably it works approximately like the old Win9x which I looked at once upon a time. Personally I would just as soon have all of my deletions go into the negasphere without any such thing as recycle -- but clearly that isn't the best configuration for all. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 04:58:28 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Jun 18 05:00:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h1c8ah$src$1@news.spamcop.net... > What does: > > "I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few > weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of > random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking to > see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which still > remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp installation > directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the Recycle bin, and I > can see the directory, but if you look there with Explorer it can't find > or > see it." > > Mean to you except an ask for help in recovering those super hidden > installation files? > Forget trying to recover temp files. Just get out the actual CD and do a repair install. :) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 11:00:18 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:05:11 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few > weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of > random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking > to see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which > still remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp > installation directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the > Recycle bin, and I can see the directory, but if you look there with > Explorer it can't find or see it. [...] It may be too late at this point, but why didn't you simply click on the "recycle bin" icon on the desktop and undelete/restore/whatever-they-call-it the directory? -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 11:20:33 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:h1ch3t$l3r$1@news.spamcop.net... > AndrewB wrote: >> indigo wrote: >> >>> I'm still researching on how to let Vista "discover" those super > hidden >>> files in the recycle bin so I can fix Excel -- without them, I can't >>> even uninstall Office 2003 and reinstall to fix the problem! >> >> Rather than do this from the UI, does Vista have a command prompt, and >> can you move/copy the files that way rather than the UI? > > I think I'm understanding that he can see what is in recycle, but he > doesn't know how to recognize it -- he forgot what he deleted looked like > (because what it looked like was reportedly weird). EXACTADACTLY! I discovered a way to at least copy and save a list of the contents of all the "superhidden" files in the Recyle Bin using a cmd prompt, you can clearly see the Office setup files I believe I need to retrieve somehow. BTW, the filenames weren't nice and neatly spelled out in that directory I accidentally deleted. Here's a similar directory filename that STILL exists on my root drive after multiple "regular" and "irregular" uninstall attempts for an unwanted Silverlight installation forced on me during a WinBloze autoupdate: "b7e088512a5e8a43fd4aac6cf7e63c32", it contains 4.6 MB of wasted disk space. So that's kinda what the Office temp setup directory name looked like. Anywho, below is most of the contents of the recycle bin, I removed personally identifying info and normal 0 byte *.TMP files to save space. I wonder whether that enormous 161 MB file called "flaBB58.tmp" has info in it I need.......and I didn't root my my way into any of the subdirectories yet to see what they contain.....still looking for some recovery tools so I can see what's really in there easier than using the cmd prompt.....all those subdirectories remain after an "empty recycle bin" run, BTW, even after running several superscrubber aftermarket disk cleaners. That subdirectory "Low" also looks very suspicious, meaning I may want to see it's contents, that name is part of the most critical section of Vista -- the User's profiles, like C:\Users\my username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu. Under \AppData\ are two more directories besides Roaming, called Low and Local, all 3 contain different data for each user's profile and installed apps. Partial contents of my of C:\Temp directory: 06/12/2009 08:32 PM . 06/12/2009 08:32 PM .. 06/11/2009 05:53 AM 9861380 06/06/2009 05:01 PM BTN%Copy%1 06/12/2009 03:02 PM 143,194 fla83E3.tmp 06/12/2009 03:02 PM 161,273,629 flaBB58.tmp 06/11/2009 08:08 PM 0 h2rAD0F.tmp 06/12/2009 10:38 AM hsperfdata_[my username] 06/11/2009 06:31 PM iolowupd 06/08/2009 10:11 PM is-FU1GK.tmp 06/12/2009 10:38 AM 790 java_install_reg.log 06/12/2009 05:11 PM 158 jusched.log 06/12/2009 12:29 AM jZip 06/11/2009 05:53 AM LISTool 06/07/2009 11:59 PM Low _____________________________________________________________________________________ 06/11/2009 10:50 PM 1,482 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0001).txt 06/11/2009 10:52 PM 9,433 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0002).txt 06/11/2009 10:51 PM 1,242 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0002)_Task(0001).txt 06/12/2009 12:31 AM 1,408 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0003).txt 06/12/2009 01:20 AM 9,425 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0004).txt 06/12/2009 01:16 AM 1,242 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0004)_Task(0001).txt 06/12/2009 01:21 AM 9,527 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0005).txt 06/12/2009 01:21 AM 10,920 Microsoft Office 2003 Setup(0005)_Task(0001).txt 06/11/2009 11:52 PM 5,496 Microsoft Office 2003 Web Components Setup(0001).txt 06/11/2009 11:52 PM 1,029,782 Microsoft Office 2003 Web Components Setup(0001)_Task(0001).txt 06/11/2009 11:58 PM 5,462 Microsoft Office 2003 Web Components Setup(0002).txt 06/11/2009 11:58 PM 50,264 Microsoft Office 2003 Web Components Setup(0002)_Task(0001).txt _______________________________________________________________________________________ 06/08/2009 02:54 PM msohtml 06/08/2009 02:54 PM msohtml1 06/11/2009 05:53 AM OHotfix 06/11/2009 05:53 AM pft5289~tmp 06/07/2009 06:02 PM plugtmp 06/08/2009 10:11 PM plugtmp-1 06/08/2009 07:33 PM plugtmp-2 06/11/2009 05:53 AM plugtmp-3 06/11/2009 05:53 AM plugtmp-4 06/10/2009 11:06 PM plugtmp-5 06/12/2009 08:49 PM plugtmp-6 11/02/2006 08:34 AM 254,216 ppcrlui_1004_2 06/12/2009 02:38 AM ppcrlui_1004_2.ui 06/10/2009 02:26 AM ppcrlui_1796_2.ui 06/09/2009 02:22 PM ppcrlui_2508_2.ui 06/10/2009 03:23 AM ppcrlui_2552_2.ui 06/07/2009 05:59 PM ppcrlui_3144_2.ui 06/08/2009 01:36 AM ppcrlui_3312_2.ui 06/09/2009 10:49 PM ppcrlui_4372_2.ui 06/06/2009 11:43 PM ppcrlui_5256_2.ui 06/11/2009 08:08 PM 162 r2hAD0E.tmp 06/09/2009 11:39 PM Temp1_$R7AXRM5.ZIP 06/11/2009 05:53 AM Temp1_updates-20001226-20001229.zip 06/10/2009 12:24 AM Temp2_$R7AXRM5.ZIP 06/11/2009 08:17 PM VBE 06/12/2009 02:36 AM WPDNSE 06/10/2009 11:13 PM 16,384 ~DF1009.tmp 06/12/2009 02:38 AM 16,384 ~DF300A.tmp 06/11/2009 01:00 AM 32,768 ~DF7D76.tmp 06/12/2009 02:37 AM 16,384 ~DFA605.tmp 75 File(s) 163,152,972 bytes 34 Dir(s) 378,226,573,312 bytes free From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 11:23:44 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:h1cvk2$49b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Forget trying to recover temp files. Just get out the actual CD and do a > repair install. :) > Can't do it, that's why I posted, DOH! You can't do any kind of repair, install, or uninstall unless Vista can find the temp setup files used for the original installation, I suppose so it knows what it needs to delete from the HD and reg file. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 11:29:43 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 18 11:30:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h1dkqo$kii$2@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: >> I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup directory a few >> weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a directory named with a bunch of >> random characters so anal retentive me just deleted it without looking to >> see what it really was first). That caused issues with Excel, which still >> remain, but since Winbloze (Vista) can't find the temp installation >> directory I can't fix the problem. I ran dir *.* in the Recycle bin, and >> I can see the directory, but if you look there with Explorer it can't >> find or see it. > [...] > > It may be too late at this point, but why didn't you simply click on the > "recycle bin" icon on the desktop and > undelete/restore/whatever-they-call-it the directory? > Because you can only see them by using an elevated cmd prompt. I don't think "restore" is a valid DOS command, and I'd sure be hesitant to run it without knowing what's in those files/directories -- I could get into even more trouble than I am now, which is really kinda trivial anyway, at least at the moment (right now I cannot update to Office 2007 if I wanted to, which I don't, not yet anyway). I use several add-ins in Excel (*.xla files), like importing stock quotes and using higher level calculation apps like "solver". I've managed to get MSN stock quotes add-in working in a quasi-normal method, but every time I open Excel it has to "re-install" the two addins I have remaining (I used to have 5, and Excel/Vista won't let me install the 3 lost ones). From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Jun 18 22:41:11 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Jun 18 22:45:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > So that's kinda what the Office temp setup directory name looked like. > Anywho, below is most of the contents of the recycle bin, I removed > personally identifying info and normal 0 byte *.TMP files to save space. > I wonder whether that enormous 161 MB file called "flaBB58.tmp" has info > in it I need.......and I didn't root my my way into any of the > subdirectories yet to see what they contain.....still looking for some > recovery tools so I can see what's really in there easier than using the > cmd prompt.....all those subdirectories remain after an "empty recycle > bin" run, BTW, even after running several superscrubber aftermarket disk > cleaners. In the command prompt, if you type: set TEMP and set TMP You'll see where the TEMP and TMP environment variables point to. This is mostly likely c:\temp, and what you see there is detritus from installed that didn't clean up after themselves and other grit. However, c:\temp is more than likely NOT your recycle bin! On my XP Pro system, it's C:\recycler, and can't be seen via explorer, but can from a command prompt if you change into that directory. From there, I have a long hidden directory with a unique name. In that directory, I see files that are in my UI recycle bin. The names don't match, but you should be able to check the byte sizes and find the matches. It might be best to copy the files via the command prompt to a safe location (maybe c:\temp) and then to where they should go. Good luck! AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 18 23:43:29 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 18 23:45:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea, I do have such a directory named "recycler". I'll try what you suggest when I can. "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h1ets5$32n$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: >> >> So that's kinda what the Office temp setup directory name looked like. >> Anywho, below is most of the contents of the recycle bin, I removed >> personally identifying info and normal 0 byte *.TMP files to save space. >> I wonder whether that enormous 161 MB file called "flaBB58.tmp" has info >> in it I need.......and I didn't root my my way into any of the >> subdirectories yet to see what they contain.....still looking for some >> recovery tools so I can see what's really in there easier than using the >> cmd prompt.....all those subdirectories remain after an "empty recycle >> bin" run, BTW, even after running several superscrubber aftermarket disk >> cleaners. > > > In the command prompt, if you type: > > set TEMP > and > set TMP > > You'll see where the TEMP and TMP environment variables point to. This is > mostly likely c:\temp, and what you see there is detritus from installed > that didn't clean up after themselves and other grit. > > However, c:\temp is more than likely NOT your recycle bin! > > On my XP Pro system, it's C:\recycler, and can't be seen via explorer, but > can from a command prompt if you change into that directory. From there, > I have a long hidden directory with a unique name. In that directory, I > see files that are in my UI recycle bin. > > The names don't match, but you should be able to check the byte sizes and > find the matches. > > It might be best to copy the files via the command prompt to a safe > location (maybe c:\temp) and then to where they should go. > > Good luck! > > AndrewB From user at domain.invalid Fri Jun 19 00:17:41 2009 From: user at domain.invalid (Farelf) Date: Fri Jun 19 00:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Good idea, I do have such a directory named "recycler". I'll try what > you suggest when I can. > > "AndrewB" wrote in message > news:h1ets5$32n$1@news.spamcop.net... ... >> >> On my XP Pro system, it's C:\recycler, and can't be seen via explorer, >> but can from a command prompt if you change into that directory. From >> there, I have a long hidden directory with a unique name. In that >> directory, I see files that are in my UI recycle bin. >> ... On my XP Home [Version 5.1.2600], I *can* see that directory with Windows Explorer and clicking on the hidden directories (I have 2) in the right pane in succession reveals the contents for the session. Configuration differences I guess. I cannot see the (sub)directories from C:\RECYCLER>dir -> 'File Not Found', but I can CD to them (once I have their names) and list their contents like C:\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-309795525-928321647-4002766244-1005>dir -> list. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 20 20:51:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 20 20:55:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] here's part of my problem Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/kl8cxt "Windows Installer runs everytime I open an Office program or file This started after I installed and then uninstalled a Beta 3 version of Office 2007. Installer tries to install and configure Office Professional 2003 whenever I open an office file or program" The same thing happened to me (except they weren't Office 7 Beta's), somehow I discovered Office 2007 updates on my PC and uninstalled them, but I still have the problem of the "installing/configuring" dialog box showing up whenever I open an Excel or Word doc. To top it off, I just discovered that if I double click an Office doc from explorer or Windows Mail it won't open either the doc or the app -- I get an error message. Some googling sez the file association table has become corrupted, but damned if I know why. This just became noticeable in the last two days, not to say that the error hasn't been around for a while. And Event logging has stopped working all the sudden, so I can't view anything in Event Viewer! I am positive I have a windows installer problem, but am unsure how to go about fixing it. Whenever I download a M$ update, I usually save it to a directory called "software to install" on C:\, run it as admin, then when done move the file to my external HD into a directory called "downloaded software". Unfortunately, a lot of times I run the M$ updates "in place", meaning I don't save them first then run them. That may be part of the problem, wherever the temp install files get extracted to becomes "lost" to the Vista install table. I'm about to do a system repair with my recovery disks, then install Vista SP1 in hopes that this issue will go away....wish me luck, cuz I don't think it's going to work.....unless the recovery disks repair whatever corrupted files sfc /scannow keeps finding but won't tell me what they are.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 20 20:54:32 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 20 20:55:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: here's part of my problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h1k06v$h32$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://tinyurl.com/kl8cxt BTW, the Vista "Cleanup Manager", meant to fix these install/uninstall issues, absolutely refuses to run on my PC, it crashes every time, apparently not an unusual problem from what I've read online. POS! From connyank at cox.net Sat Jun 20 21:03:17 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jrg) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: here's part of my problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06/20/2009 05:54 PM indigo scribbled: > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h1k06v$h32$1@news.spamcop.net... >> http://tinyurl.com/kl8cxt > > BTW, the Vista "Cleanup Manager", meant to fix these install/uninstall > issues, absolutely refuses to run on my PC, it crashes every time, > apparently not an unusual problem from what I've read online. POS! > gotta admire your persistence - if that box was a horse, it would have been shot by now... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 20 21:24:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 20 21:25:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: here's part of my problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "jrg" wrote in message news:h1k0sn$hth$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 06/20/2009 05:54 PM indigo scribbled: > >> >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:h1k06v$h32$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> http://tinyurl.com/kl8cxt >> >> BTW, the Vista "Cleanup Manager", meant to fix these install/uninstall >> issues, absolutely refuses to run on my PC, it crashes every time, >> apparently not an unusual problem from what I've read online. POS! >> > gotta admire your persistence - if that box was a horse, it would have > been shot by now... You have no idea how strong my "I will not give up until I fix this problem" drive is, be it a computer issue of anything else in life. I rarely, if ever, "punt" and take the easy way out (ignore the problem or start from scratch). Besides, I like problem solving, it keeps my mind sharp while I'm on LTD, and it is (was) a major part of my ex-job. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jun 22 22:02:42 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jun 22 22:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: here's part of my problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C31520819F0DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> Besides, I like problem solving > > And yet... I dunno... Reading through these things it seems like you've > created the problems. And the best solution, at this point, is obviously > to reinstall the whole system. No? Doesn't sound like punting to me - it > sounds like starting anew. Of course it's a bit of a PITA but it's only > an > 8 hour PITA including reinstalling everything. And you've already wasted > much more time than that and it just seems that it's spiraling ever > downward - getting gradually worse. Possibly....meaning possibly caused by me....but it took me almost a month to recover from my recent "start from scratch" problem, I'll do damn near anything to avoid going thru that again! From donkey at fred.pp.fi Wed Jun 24 09:54:46 2009 From: donkey at fred.pp.fi (Donkey Hottie) Date: Wed Jun 24 10:05:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! References: Message-ID: <95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi> "indigo" wrote in message news:h19faf$gh9$1@news.spamcop.net > I accidentally deleted my Office 2003 installation/setup > directory a few weeks ago (it showed up in C: drive as a > directory named with a bunch of random characters so anal > retentive me just deleted it without looking to see what > it really was first). Same think is XP. Those randomly named folders in system root must not be removed. Actually it is the same with many (if not most) .msi installation packages. They are later needed when doing an update or remove! So it seems it is advisable to create a special folder c:\msi-files or something, and download any .msi Windows Installer package there before installing it. And keeping the folder. Dumb from Microsoft, but what can you do.. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 13:38:12 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:40:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: <95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi> References: <95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi> Message-ID: "Donkey Hottie" wrote in message news:95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi... > > Actually it is the same with many (if not most) .msi installation > packages. They are later needed when doing an update or remove! > They REALLY should have some dialog box warning telling users not to delete those files, dontcha think? Nah, that would make our lives too easy... > So it seems it is advisable to create a special folder c:\msi-files or > something, and download any .msi Windows Installer package there before > installing it. And keeping the folder. Now *that's* a dandy idea! Thanks, don't know why I didn't think of that -- it would keep Vista happy and remove the visual clutter from the C:\ explorer window, making _me_ happy. > > Dumb from Microsoft, but what can you do.. I just installed Vista SP1 hoping it would solve some of my issues (it didn't, it actually screwed up some of my file associations and other stuff, like double clicking on a directory would open a command window instead of opening explorer!?). Had to do some more registry tinkering to fix what SP1 messed up. Fscking MickeySoft.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 13:48:00 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Hibernation State in Vista Message-ID: While perusing the web for solutions to some of my glitches, I ran across a Vista Tweaks page that recommended disabling the "hibernation" function if you don't use it, since it gobbles up lots of HD space. The file is located in C:\ and called hiberfil.sys, and in my case it's a whopping 3 GBs! Now that I've disabled hibernation (I don't even know what that state IS), is it safe to delete that gigantic file? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 22:58:53 2009 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jun 24 23:00:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > While perusing the web for solutions to some of my glitches, I ran > across a Vista Tweaks page that recommended disabling the "hibernation" > function if you don't use it, since it gobbles up lots of HD space. The > file is located in C:\ and called hiberfil.sys, and in my case it's a > whopping 3 GBs! Now that I've disabled hibernation (I don't even know > what that state IS), is it safe to delete that gigantic file? The hiberfil.sys file will be the same size as the amount of RAM in your computer. My system has 3GB of RAM, therefore the file is 3GB in size. Hibernation is a state between "sleep", where most of the system is powered off, but the memory and some other critical components are on, and "off". Basically, it saves the contents of RAM to the hiberfil.sys file, and powers off. Then, when the system is turned back on, RAM is loaded from hiberfil.sys, and the system resumes from where it left off. (That's a bit of oversimplification, but you get the idea.) -- Kenneth Brody From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 23:00:59 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 24 23:05:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C34C6E462370TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> Now that I've disabled hibernation >> (I don't even know what that state IS), is it safe to delete that >> gigantic file? > > You muck around with your computer too much :) And the first google link > says, "Restart your computer and hiberfil.sys will be automatically > deleted." If it's not then make extra sure that hibernation is turned off > and go ahead and delete it. Erm, no, I turned hibernation off with a Vista Tweaker app and that monster file is still there after a reboot, and it's been updated for today. Guess it's not safe to delete yet..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jun 24 23:02:56 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jun 24 23:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:h1up69$6iu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hibernation is a state between "sleep", where most of the system is > powered off, but the memory and some other critical components are on, and > "off". Basically, it saves the contents of RAM to the hiberfil.sys file, > and powers off. Then, when the system is turned back on, RAM is loaded > from hiberfil.sys, and the system resumes from where it left off. (That's > a bit of oversimplification, but you get the idea.) Wonder if that has anything to do with my recent system crashes and auto-reboots in the middle of the night when I put the machine to sleep in the evening? From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu Jun 25 20:18:28 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:20:02 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! References: <95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h1toa4$44g$1@news.spamcop.net... > I just installed Vista SP1 hoping it would solve some of my issues (it > didn't, it actually screwed up some of my file associations and other > stuff, like double clicking on a directory would open a command window > instead of opening explorer!?). Had to do some more registry tinkering to > fix what SP1 messed up. Fscking MickeySoft.... Now try SP 2! ;) From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu Jun 25 20:19:49 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h1upd1$7d0$1@news.spamcop.net... > Wonder if that has anything to do with my recent system crashes and > auto-reboots in the middle of the night when I put the machine to sleep in > the evening? You should either leave it on all night or power it down completely.. sleeping a system is prone to failure. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 25 23:18:14 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 25 23:20:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Fscking Vista Manager! In-Reply-To: References: <95o9h6-23o.ln1@wellington.fredriksson.dy.fi> Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:h21455$fmi$1@news.spamcop.net... > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h1toa4$44g$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I just installed Vista SP1 hoping it would solve some of my issues (it >> didn't, it actually screwed up some of my file associations and other >> stuff, like double clicking on a directory would open a command window >> instead of opening explorer!?). Had to do some more registry tinkering to >> fix what SP1 messed up. Fscking MickeySoft.... > > Now try SP 2! ;) > Yeah, right....I also discovered that I can't see Event Viewer either now...and can't set permissions on it either! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 25 23:20:13 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 25 23:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:h2147m$gdc$1@news.spamcop.net... > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h1upd1$7d0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Wonder if that has anything to do with my recent system crashes and >> auto-reboots in the middle of the night when I put the machine to sleep >> in the evening? > > You should either leave it on all night or power it down completely.. > sleeping a system is prone to failure. > Hadn't had a problem with sleep mode until I had to rebuild the system from scratch....but I'm narrowing in on what app is causing the crash, although without current access to event viewer it's a bit problematic... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jun 25 23:20:37 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jun 25 23:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C35DB905DA9ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Chris F. Willoughby" ! > >> You should either leave it on all night or power it down completely.. >> sleeping a system is prone to failure. > > But hibernating works great! But WHAT DOES IT DO? From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Jun 26 01:41:24 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jun 26 01:45:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:h21eq3$iqp$1@news.spamcop.net... > But WHAT DOES IT DO? Sleep mode or hibernation? Sleep mode is just a lower power state for the PC. It still draws juice but nowhere near as much as if it was running full steam. Hibernation is basically the closest thing to turning off the machine without pushing the power button. It saves whatever you were working on that was in RAM to your HD and then turns it off. Supposed to be a faster recovery time than reboots and related.. doesn't seem to be in my experience. From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Jun 26 08:29:44 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jun 26 08:30:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C364D34B32C7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > With each of the three machines I run daily it is much much faster than > rebooting. My home desktop never gets shut off - only hibernated. I can > be up and running in 30 seconds or so as opposed to several minutes. Hmm, maybe vista is better than XP. Dunno *shrug* From joegill at removethis Fri Jun 26 16:49:25 2009 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Jun 26 16:50:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Charles" wrote in message news:Xns9C369D2EFE0FATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Chris F. Willoughby" ! > >> Hmm, maybe vista is better than XP. > > Vista64 seems to go OK but that's prolly 'cause there's less bloatware > running. Anyway, just rebooted my dev machine. Took about 3 minutes for > it to come back up of which ~26 seconds getting through the BIOS. It also > took several minutes for it to shutdown. I don't like rebooting! Anyway, > yes, compared to that doing a recovery from hibernation is faster. I > can't > quote a speed on that, sadly, 'cause I've turned hibernation off - the > machine is always on. I too, am running a Vista 64-bit edition(Ultimate) in my case. I periodically do a 'theraputic' reboot, to clean up probable memory fragmentation, and also the probability of stranded memory due to 'leaky' apps. However, when my PC goes into 'hibernation', I once in a while 'blue screen' in a USB driver. but have not been able to track down. One quesiton: I am using a laptop. It there 'value' or 'reason' in shutdown, (ie: heat) From loyal at spamcop.user Fri Jun 26 23:24:32 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Fri Jun 26 23:25:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:h1upd1$7d0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Wonder if that has anything to do with my recent system crashes and >> auto-reboots in the middle of the night when I put the machine to sleep in >> the evening? > > You should either leave it on all night or power it down completely.. > sleeping a system is prone to failure. I've been sleeping my laptop (XP Pro) for the last 6 years without issues. Why do you say sleeping is prone to failure? My experience with my personal laptop, a Dell laptop and a MacBook Pro never showed any issues with sleeping. AndrewB From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 01:13:32 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Jun 27 01:15:04 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h243de$1qv$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've been sleeping my laptop (XP Pro) for the last 6 years without issues. > Why do you say sleeping is prone to failure? My experience with my > personal laptop, a Dell laptop and a MacBook Pro never showed any issues > with sleeping. > > > AndrewB I was thinking more towards hibernation than sleeping specifically.. but Windows had always had issues with lower power modes of one sort or another over the years. Not saying that everyone experiences it. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jun 27 02:01:45 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Jun 27 02:05:03 2009 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Hibernation State in Vista In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:h243de$1qv$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've been sleeping my laptop (XP Pro) for the last 6 years without issues. > Why do you say sleeping is prone to failure? My experience with my > personal laptop, a Dell laptop and a MacBook Pro never showed any issues > with sleeping. > I frequently experience some corruption issues while "sleeping" that causes a system reboot. And Windows mail almost *always* locks up, maybe because I don't have it set to awaken the PC to download new messages.....and sometimes the system just doesn't want to "wake up". 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