From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 7 00:16:39 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sun Dec 7 00:20:02 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... Message-ID: As I've written here before, I installed a splitter to my 3.5 mm audio output jack from my PC so I could run cables to my upstairs and downstairs stereos so I could listen to PC audio wherever I was in the house. I even bought a new, more expensive, splitter, to no avail. Still had that "humming" noise on the upstairs stereo, and if I used the "A-B" junction box I bought for the basement to feed my primary downstairs stereo either the TV audio output or the PC audio output from the secondary downstairs stereo instead of directly plugging in either the TV or stereo output I got humming noise in the basement too. I thought this was all due to my home-made single channel cable that I made to run from my PC to the downstairs stereo, but that wasn't it. I finally got a second "real" 3.5 mm male plug to stereo RCA jack cable to replace the homemade one, still no joy. Recall, I originally started this whole effort so I could use my secondary PC in the basement to record LPs from the secondary stereo (still following me?). I had disconnected EVERYTHING from the PC to anything else, and still had the humming noise tonight. I've always suspected a ground loop problem, but with the PC completely unattached how could that have been an issue? Anyways, I'm changing connnections and testing for interference, still have noise on the upstairs stereo and the downstairs stereo if I used the switch box. I even checked the polarity of the home-made extension cord, still no joy. On a whim, I plugged in the downstairs PC to the main surge protector that all the basement equipment is plugged into (I kept it disconnected for extra protection since I've never even booted it since I moved it downstairs), and VOILA! All the noise instantly disappeared, upstairs and downstairs. This is WAY beyond my understanding....shouldn't have been a ground loop issue with all the downstairs PC stuff disconnected....but apparently that was the problem....color me perplexed! From me at privacy.net Sun Dec 7 00:25:33 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Dec 7 00:45:02 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:ghfm7n$p3m$1@news.spamcop.net... : As I've written here before, I installed a splitter to my 3.5 mm audio : output jack from my PC so I could run cables to my upstairs and downstairs : stereos so I could listen to PC audio wherever I was in the house. I even : bought a new, more expensive, splitter, to no avail. Still had that : "humming" noise on the upstairs stereo, and if I used the "A-B" junction box : I bought for the basement to feed my primary downstairs stereo either the TV : audio output or the PC audio output from the secondary downstairs stereo : instead of directly plugging in either the TV or stereo output I got humming : noise in the basement too. : : I thought this was all due to my home-made single channel cable that I made : to run from my PC to the downstairs stereo, but that wasn't it. I finally : got a second "real" 3.5 mm male plug to stereo RCA jack cable to replace the : homemade one, still no joy. Recall, I originally started this whole effort : so I could use my secondary PC in the basement to record LPs from the : secondary stereo (still following me?). I had disconnected EVERYTHING from : the PC to anything else, and still had the humming noise tonight. I've : always suspected a ground loop problem, but with the PC completely : unattached how could that have been an issue? : : Anyways, I'm changing connections and testing for interference, still have : noise on the upstairs stereo and the downstairs stereo if I used the switch : box. I even checked the polarity of the home-made extension cord, still no : joy. On a whim, I plugged in the downstairs PC to the main surge protector : that all the basement equipment is plugged into (I kept it disconnected for : extra protection since I've never even booted it since I moved it : downstairs), and VOILA! All the noise instantly disappeared, upstairs and : downstairs. : : This is WAY beyond my understanding....shouldn't have been a ground loop : issue with all the downstairs PC stuff disconnected....but apparently that : was the problem....color me perplexed! It's called 'common mode' hum. Having one, and only, one ground point is the norm. In fact if the neutral and ground are reversed in a duplex plug it can have the same effect. I think I mentioned this way back when but it must have been lost in the discussion noise. : From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Dec 8 15:39:48 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Dec 8 15:40:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ghfnmu$rbv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It's called 'common mode' hum. Having one, and only, one ground point is > the norm. In fact if the neutral and ground are reversed in a duplex > plug > it can have the same effect. Common mode to "what"? With the downstairs PC totally disconnected, how could it have been involved in any grounding issues? And the power switch on the power strip for the PC was in the off position too. I called my Dad last night to wish him a happy birthday and told him about the problem and his first response was "sounds like you have a ground loop problem". Gee, thanks Mr. Electrical Engineer, tell me something I didn't know! He did mention that he experienced similar "phantom" ground loops when he was designing and building power tubes for TVs and such back in the old days though. His only thought was that since the computer case is grounded and was in close proximity to both the power strip and stereo (within inches of the stereo, which also has a ground wire connected to the LP player) there was probably some kind of "uncommon" ground mode going on. Guess what you said. But I still don't get it, it's not really an EMF/EMI problem, now that I could understand. I remember in college I was running my senior research project in a vacuum bell jar with various very sensitive electrical monitoring equipment recording the data -- whenever I walked close to the system all the sensor data would jump up or down, depending if I were approaching the system or walking away from it. Somehow *my* electric field ground was messing things up in the power lines! And yes, things were plugged into various electrical outlets, so some devices may have been on different breakers, even different breaker boxes for all I know. From user at domain.invalid Thu Dec 11 19:51:56 2008 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Dec 11 19:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 08.12.2008 14:39, Indigo wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:ghfnmu$rbv$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> It's called 'common mode' hum. Having one, and only, one ground point is >> the norm. In fact if the neutral and ground are reversed in a duplex >> plug >> it can have the same effect. > > Common mode to "what"? With the downstairs PC totally disconnected, how > could it have been involved in any grounding issues? And the power switch on > the power strip for the PC was in the off position too. > > I called my Dad last night to wish him a happy birthday and told him about > the problem and his first response was "sounds like you have a ground loop > problem". Gee, thanks Mr. Electrical Engineer, tell me something I didn't > know! He did mention that he experienced similar "phantom" ground loops when > he was designing and building power tubes for TVs and such back in the old > days though. His only thought was that since the computer case is grounded > and was in close proximity to both the power strip and stereo (within inches > of the stereo, which also has a ground wire connected to the LP player) > there was probably some kind of "uncommon" ground mode going on. Guess what > you said. But I still don't get it, it's not really an EMF/EMI problem, now > that I could understand. > > I remember in college I was running my senior research project in a vacuum > bell jar with various very sensitive electrical monitoring equipment > recording the data -- whenever I walked close to the system all the sensor > data would jump up or down, depending if I were approaching the system or > walking away from it. Somehow *my* electric field ground was messing things > up in the power lines! And yes, things were plugged into various electrical > outlets, so some devices may have been on different breakers, even different > breaker boxes for all I know. > Interesting read on the subject: http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts012002 From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 11 21:13:21 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:15:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:ghscjb$q8m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Interesting read on the subject: > > http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts012002 Thanks for the link, saved for reading tomorrow. From connyank at cox.net Fri Dec 12 00:45:41 2008 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Fri Dec 12 00:50:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] news server aioe Message-ID: Anyone having a problem with connecting to nntp.aioe.org? I am - switching off them anyway, but was curious. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 12 05:45:30 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 12 05:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:ghscjb$q8m$1@news.spamcop.net... : On 08.12.2008 14:39, Indigo wrote: : : --- Original Message --- : : > "Frog Prince" wrote in message : > news:ghfnmu$rbv$1@news.spamcop.net... : >> : >> It's called 'common mode' hum. Having one, and only, one ground point is : >> the norm. In fact if the neutral and ground are reversed in a duplex plug : >> it can have the same effect. : > : > Common mode to "what"? With the downstairs PC totally disconnected, how : > could it have been involved in any grounding issues? And the power switch on : > the power strip for the PC was in the off position too. : > : > I called my Dad last night to wish him a happy birthday and told him about : > the problem and his first response was "sounds like you have a ground loop : > problem". Gee, thanks Mr. Electrical Engineer, tell me something I didn't : > know! He did mention that he experienced similar "phantom" ground loops when : > he was designing and building power tubes for TVs and such back in the old : > days though. His only thought was that since the computer case is grounded : > and was in close proximity to both the power strip and stereo (within inches : > of the stereo, which also has a ground wire connected to the LP player) : > there was probably some kind of "uncommon" ground mode going on. Guess what : > you said. But I still don't get it, it's not really an EMF/EMI problem, now : > that I could understand. : > : > I remember in college I was running my senior research project in a vacuum : > bell jar with various very sensitive electrical monitoring equipment : > recording the data -- whenever I walked close to the system all the sensor : > data would jump up or down, depending if I were approaching the system or : > walking away from it. Somehow *my* electric field ground was messing things : > up in the power lines! And yes, things were plugged into various electrical : > outlets, so some devices may have been on different breakers, even different : > breaker boxes for all I know. : > : : Interesting read on the subject: : : http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts012002 Good read on the basics but I don't agree with all that is there. Example: figure 6 does not account for capacitive coupling in the transformer. Figure A.B.B is headed for a wild ride with regard to RF interference and standing wave reflections. Figure 4 fails to include common mode balancing, From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 12 09:33:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 12 09:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ghtfci$610$1@news.spamcop.net... > : Interesting read on the subject: > : > : http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=ts012002 > > Good read on the basics but I don't agree with all that is there. > Example: > figure 6 does not account for capacitive coupling in the transformer. > Figure A.B.B is headed for a wild ride with regard to RF interference and > standing wave reflections. > > Figure 4 fails to include common mode balancing, > Hmm....after reading that and doing a little more twiddling around (a very minor hum returned yesterday), I think I have several (unsolvable) issues. For one, the two cables that run from the PC upstairs to the stereos upstairs and downstairs are 50 ft long. There is a significant loss in signal power, as I have to crank up the respective stereos to near max volumes to get anything approaching "loud" from the respective speakers (all connections are line in/line out). Secondly, there is some element of EMF/EMI going on too -- for instance, if I unplug any cable, as I move it closer and closer to the source I'm going to connect it to the interference noise becomes unbearably loud until I make a solid connection and the cable ground is established. Lastly, there may be an impedance issue -- while the stereo cables only carry the signal, the cable that connects to my powered PC speakers *should* also only be carrying signal, but it's by far the noisiest line as far as the plug-in/un-plug noise problem. The primary PC speaker gets the line out feed from the PC and is plugged into the same power strip. Two lines run from that speaker to the second PC speaker, power and signal. In essence, I think I might have a mix of 120 VAC and signal emanating from those primary PC speaker wires which is feeding back into the splitter that feeds the other two stereos? An important point -- the signal strength going to the stereos is dependent on the volume setting of the PC. If I crank the PC volume to max, the noise at the stereos is reduced because I don't have to pump up the stereo volume so high (any signal coming in with stereo volume near max is going to be a bit noisy), but then I can't shuttle between the 3 areas because the sound in my office where the PC is located is way too loud, leading to constant PC volume changes. What's the real life limit to how long a signal line can run without needing a booster? From work, I know that there is a limit to RS232 type line lengths (or something similar). When we hook up the HST computer system simulator (a huge rack of equipment, there are actually several computers in the chain) to our equipment in a thermal vacuum chamber for testing that rack must be placed within xx feet of the chamber or the signal strength will drop below allowable levels. I think I'm just going to have to live with adjusting the PC volume to deal with the line noise issue.....it's barely noticeable since I plugged in the downstairs PC to that stereo's power strip and fixed whatever serious grounding issue I had, but I can still hear it....just a bit of a nuisance. From connyank at cox.net Fri Dec 12 10:52:56 2008 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Fri Dec 12 10:55:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: news server aioe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/11/2008 11:39 PM Chris Schram scribbled: > In article , jg > wrote: > >> Anyone having a problem with connecting to nntp.aioe.org? >> I am - switching off them anyway, but was curious. > > FWIW, it's been down for me all day too, but it's also been down > intermittently for the last week or so. > thanks, Chris, sounds about right. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 12 11:44:29 2008 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] home theater Message-ID: I know this is not computer/spam but I cannot find the answer on the net. How do I connect both a DVD player and a VCR to my TV? I have cable but the receiver WILL NOT operate the VCR (oem says so in addition to it not working.) The VCR IS connected to the cable box and works. The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a built in recorder) WILL NOT. From qcorrell at pacNObell.net Fri Dec 12 13:40:41 2008 From: qcorrell at pacNObell.net (Q Correll) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:45:05 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... References: Message-ID: Indigo, | What's the real life limit to how long a signal line can run without | needing a booster? PMJI,... I used to do a lot of high-line audio work. Twenty-five feet was the max length most components could handle. And that was "iffy." (For high-quality audio.) I don't think PC audio stuff is anywhere near as good as the high-line components. -- Q 12/12/2008 10:38:43 XanaNews Version 1.18.1.52 [Everyone's & Q's Mods] From qcorrell at pacNObell.net Fri Dec 12 13:47:32 2008 From: qcorrell at pacNObell.net (Q Correll) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:50:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater References: Message-ID: anon, | The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a | built in recorder) WILL NOT. I have the same problem. And have not as yet found a solution that involves using the set-top (receiver) box and the VCR. What I have done is use the VCR as input to the DVD recorder-player and connect the DVD output to the TV receiver (NOT the set-top box). I can play tapes to watch or record to DVD. But I cannot record to tape or DVD from the set-top box. -- Q 12/12/2008 10:43:13 XanaNews Version 1.18.1.52 [Everyone's & Q's Mods] From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 12 15:40:43 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 12 15:45:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Q Correll" wrote in message news:ghub79$pc2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo, > > | What's the real life limit to how long a signal line can run without > | needing a booster? > > PMJI,... I used to do a lot of high-line audio work. Twenty-five feet > was the max length most components could handle. And that was "iffy." > (For high-quality audio.) I don't think PC audio stuff is anywhere > near as good as the high-line components. Thanks. That explains the weak signal at the two stereo inputs. From news0807REMOVECAPS at orrery.e4ward.com Fri Dec 12 16:31:05 2008 From: news0807REMOVECAPS at orrery.e4ward.com (Ian Smith) Date: Fri Dec 12 16:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Streaming audio interference issue finally resolved..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > > I think I'm just going to have to live with adjusting the PC volume to > deal with the line noise issue.....it's barely noticeable since I > plugged in the downstairs PC to that stereo's power strip and fixed > whatever serious grounding issue I had, but I can still hear it....just > a bit of a nuisance. You don't think that the conclusion here is that a piece of wire is simply the wrong way to distribute audio over such distances? regards, Ian From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 12 16:46:02 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 12 16:50:02 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Q Correll" wrote in message news:ghubk4$qkk$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon, > > | The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a > | built in recorder) WILL NOT. > > I have the same problem. And have not as yet found a solution that > involves using the set-top (receiver) box and the VCR. What I have > done is use the VCR as input to the DVD recorder-player and connect the > DVD output to the TV receiver (NOT the set-top box). I can play tapes > to watch or record to DVD. But I cannot record to tape or DVD from the > set-top box I'm not exactly sure what problem you guys are talking about....is there a surround sound stereo receiver in the mix, or are you just using the TV A/V inputs? If so, how many and what type do you have? Component in? 3-line RCA in? Co-ax? I used to have a separate DVD player and a separate VCR with a cable box and didn't have any problems, but that might have been because the stereo was the "centerpoint" of the entire system....let me thing about how I had that wired, it was a long time ago.....I have a combo DVD player/burner with VHS tape unit now.....hmmmm......I know co-ax splitters were involved......howzzabout this setup? (I'll assume you have two A/V inputs to your TV and that a stereo system is not involved) 1) Put a 2-way splitter on the co-ax output from the cable box. 2) Run one co-ax line to the VCR and one to the DVD unit 3) Run outputs from the tape and DVD units to input 1 and input 2 on the back of the TV using whatever type of cable that suits you and your TV inputs. 4) Use the TV remote to switch back and forth between the DVD and VCR system outputs (the TV inputs). You might need to put both units set to channel 3, and maybe the TV too. You only use the cable box remote to change channels. 5) Alternatively, if your TV only has one input (must be an old TV!) buy a cable A/B switch box and run the DVD/VCR outputs to the switch box (you can buy either co-ax or RCA switch boxen) and use the switch to decide what output goes to the TV input. I have a much more complicated system than what's described above, took me a while to figure it all out, but having optical, S-video, and digital inputs/outputs on the cable box, DVD/VCR combo player, and my stereo receiver allows me to get high quality A/V regardless of what my source is.....the only time I use analog signals is when I'm using the PIP function of my TV -- Comcast switched to all-digital in my area a while ago, but continued (and will continue) to broadcast channels 2-72 in analog mode so any cable ready TV can still be used without a converter box, but you lose a whole lot of good channels in the process. I installed a co-ax splitter *prior* to the cable box input and ran one line to the cable box and one to input #2 on my TV, then ran the RCA audio ouputs from the TV to the stereo. Since I bypass the cable box, I can only watch channels 2-72 using PIP, but football games are all broadcast within that range so it works fine. I also use that connection method to record whatever on the DVD burner while watching some other show at the same time. For instance, every evening I watch "Mad Money" at 11:00 while recording the John Stewart and Colbert Report shows, then I switch to the DVD mode on the stereo and watch the recordings at 12:00. It helps that my stereo has a "monitor" S-video output that connects to my TV. All I need to do is select the source I want to watch using the stereo remote and the stereo feeds the video to the TV -- the stereo "collects" all video inputs from all devices and routes them to the TV input #1. One other neat thing my DVD player can do -- it has a DVD/RAM mode that requires special DVD disks that cost about $2 each (vs. 50 cents or less for a standard DVD-RW, for instance). But these special disks allow you to watch a pre-recorded show on the DVD disk AND record a new one simultaneously. In essence, it can function like a (dual turner?) DVR. I have no clue how it can read and write to a single disk at the same time, but somehow it automagically does it, because the unit doesn't contain a hard drive like a DVR. I just recently got around to buying the DVD-RAM disks but haven't found the time to play around with them yet. The other cool thing about these disks is that they prevent you from creating "coasters" or losing recorded programs by accident -- you don't have to finalize the disk to remove it from the player, so if you get behind in watching recorded stuff you can put a fresh disk in without having to permanently write the data to the one you're replacing. Oh, I *do* need to toggle the TV back and forth between input #1 and input #2 using the TV remote control to do all of this, but it's a piece of cake once you get used to it. Except for visitors who look at the 4 remotes and get all glassy eyed ;-) There's also a remote for the 5-disk CD player and a PS-2 that's plugged into input #2 on the DVD combo player. I have the same problem when I go to my Dad's house since I don't know how to juggle the stereo, TV, DVD, and Direct TV remotes. My sister visited me last weekend, and even though I turned everything on for her and handed her the cable box remote and said "don't touch any other remote, just use this one to change channels" she managed to screw things up within 30 seconds by hitting a "bad" button on the remote - she accidentally hit the Comcast "On Demand" button, a service which is slow as molasses. The TV screen turns blank except for displaying a "Please wait" Comast logo for almost a minute while the on-demand data is being downloaded. I'd love to switch to Verizon's FIOS service, it's much more reliable and could save me almost $100 in monthly bills, but you need a converter box for every single TV and their set-top box and/or DVR doesn't support PIP TV's (Comcast's DVRs do). Plus I'd lose access to several Comcast-only channels that broadcast local sports, and I'm not willing to lose access to those channels. P.S. I'm sure that novella I just wrote was a lot more than you needed to hear, but I get pretty ramped up when you get me talking about my surround sound system ;-) From qcorrell at pacNObell.net Fri Dec 12 18:38:58 2008 From: qcorrell at pacNObell.net (Q Correll) Date: Fri Dec 12 18:40:02 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater References: Message-ID: Indigo, | I'm not exactly sure what problem you guys are talking about....is | there a surround sound stereo receiver in the mix, or are you just | using the TV A/V inputs? If so, how many and what type do you have? | Component in? 3-line RCA in? Co-ax? SetTop[converter]Box ==> VCR/DVD ==> TV Receiver STB ==> cable: Take your pick, any available, none work. VCR/DVD==> cable: Take your pick, all work. | Oh, I do need to toggle the TV back and forth between input #1 and | input #2 using the TV remote control to do all of this, ... That's a given. No problem. | P.S. I'm sure that novella I just wrote was a lot more than you | needed to hear, but I get pretty ramped up when you get me talking | about my surround sound system ;-) LOL! -- Q 12/12/2008 15:35:12 XanaNews Version 1.18.1.52 [Everyone's & Q's Mods] From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 13 00:17:10 2008 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 13 00:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: news server aioe References: Message-ID: "jg" wrote in message news:ghstq6$h70$1@news.spamcop.net... : Anyone having a problem with connecting to nntp.aioe.org? : I am - switching off them anyway, but was curious. I've had them set up for a few months. System is really doggy. Work, then works partally then does not work. news.motzarella.org works much better. From loyal at spamcop.user Sat Dec 13 00:19:59 2008 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Dec 13 00:20:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > I know this is not computer/spam but I cannot find the answer on the net. > > How do I connect both a DVD player and a VCR to my TV? > > I have cable but the receiver WILL NOT operate the VCR (oem says so in > addition to it not working.) > > The VCR IS connected to the cable box and works. > > The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a built > in recorder) WILL NOT. I think you need a physical switch type of box to move between the DVD and VCR/Cable, if I understand you correctly. Maybe something like: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3070527 So you have two inputs right now: cable box -> VCR -> TV DVD -> TV So with a little box like that URL, you'll have: cable -> VCR -> \ switch box -> TV DVD -> / Do you have digital cable that goes to a HD TV for a digital picture? Do you intend to record cable on the VCR? If you don't intend to record with the VCR, you can have the cable box go to a switch box, along with the VCR and DVD going into the switch box and using that as the center point of your theater. AndrewB From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Dec 13 12:33:26 2008 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Dec 13 12:35:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: news server aioe References: Message-ID: > "jg" wrote in message > news:ghstq6$h70$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Anyone having a problem with connecting to nntp.aioe.org? >> I am - switching off them anyway, but was curious. > > I've had them set up for a few months. System is really doggy. > Work, then works partally then does not work. > > news.motzarella.org works much better. I was just reading over in .VZ...-general that aioe i's a one man operation and a labor of love so it's not too unusual for it to go down more often than others. Apparently it all comes back eventually unless he's out of town or someting. Forget the Subject line, but it had today's date. Twayne From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Dec 13 13:21:06 2008 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Dec 13 13:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: news server aioe References: Message-ID: Twayne wrote: >> "jg" >> news.motzarella.org works much better. > > I was just reading over in .VZ...-general that aioe i's a one man > operation and a labor of love so it's not too unusual for it to go down > more often than others. Apparently it all comes back eventually unless > he's out of town or someting. Forget the Subject line, but it had > today's date. some advantages of aioe: - it doesn't require any signup, login - it has significantly more ports to access and such as SSH to do it than some others - the admin attempts to deter trolls & spam with some strategies some disadvantages: - lack of account invites trolls and spam - limited # of messages/d - little filtering - frequent outages - many people filter aioe/ers because of trolls & such some relative advantages of motzarella - fairly good filtering, but not as good as individual.net - better admin/ed than aioe, fewer outages - lacks the aioe disad/s above 'Everyone' should have multiple news accounts to solve various problems. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 13 21:10:11 2008 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Sat Dec 13 21:15:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater References: Message-ID: The switch box sound like it might work, I'll check. Current setup: sat. receiver ==>TV VCR (recorder) ==> sat. receiver DVD (non recorder) ==> TV Situation: old (non recording) sat receiver -- able to record anything on TV screen (both from sat. receiver and DVD.) Situation new (built in recorder) sat recover -- cannot record anything. (sat receiver OEM states that this sat receiver is wired so it WILL NOT ALLOW signal to go from the receiver to the VCR.) Proof = using an old tape that I had recorded previously -- when I record I get a blank tape that means that the previously recorded info has been overwritten with 'nothing'. Is this any help? "AndrewB" wrote in message news:ghvglu$69e$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon wrote: >> I know this is not computer/spam but I cannot find the answer on the >> net. >> >> How do I connect both a DVD player and a VCR to my TV? >> >> I have cable but the receiver WILL NOT operate the VCR (oem says so in >> addition to it not working.) >> >> The VCR IS connected to the cable box and works. >> >> The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a built >> in recorder) WILL NOT. > > I think you need a physical switch type of box to move between the DVD and > VCR/Cable, if I understand you correctly. > > Maybe something like: > http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3070527 > > So you have two inputs right now: > > > cable box -> VCR -> TV > DVD -> TV > > So with a little box like that URL, you'll have: > > cable -> VCR -> \ > switch box -> TV > DVD -> / > > > Do you have digital cable that goes to a HD TV for a digital picture? Do > you intend to record cable on the VCR? If you don't intend to record with > the VCR, you can have the cable box go to a switch box, along with the VCR > and DVD going into the switch box and using that as the center point of > your theater. > > > AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Dec 15 10:03:17 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:10:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Maintenance Friday Dec 19, 2008 Message-ID: Planned Maintenance Window - Friday, Dec. 19, 2008 6PM PST Scheduled server maintenance and upgrades will be taking place Dec 19, 2008 18:00 (-0800) for a period of approximately 4 hours During this time the SpamCop Reporting Service website will be in maintenance mode. Emailed spam submissions will be accepted, but processing will be delayed during the maintenance process. This will not affect the SpamCop/CESmail email service, newsgroups or forums. Ellen SpamCop f/u spamcop From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 17 19:25:42 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Wed Dec 17 19:30:05 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Server Maintenance - Thursday, Dec. 20, 2008 Message-ID: I might as well post the latest that came up today, since I just updated the news page. Planned Maintenance Window - Thursday, Dec. 20, 2008 3:00PM PST Scheduled server maintenance and upgrades will be taking place Thursday, December 18, 2008, starting at 3:00pm Pacific Standard Time. During this time the SpamCop Reporting Service website may not be available for short periods of time. All work is expected to be completed within one hour. Emailed spam submissions will be accepted, but processing will be delayed during the maintenance process. This will not affect the SpamCop/CESmail email service, newsgroups or forums. Richard From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 17 19:29:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Wed Dec 17 19:30:05 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Server Maintenance - Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Let's correct that to Dec. 18, 2008... RW wrote: > I might as well post the latest that came up today, since I just updated > the news page. > > Planned Maintenance Window - Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 3:00PM PST > > Scheduled server maintenance and upgrades will be taking place Thursday, > December 18, 2008, starting at 3:00pm Pacific Standard Time. During this > time the SpamCop Reporting Service website may not be available for > short periods of time. All work is expected to be completed within one > hour. Emailed spam submissions will be accepted, but processing will be > delayed during the maintenance process. > > This will not affect the SpamCop/CESmail email service, newsgroups or > forums. > > Richard From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 18 22:23:09 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Dec 18 22:25:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Yay! Message-ID: X-setup Pro is now available for Vista, probably has been for sometime, but Windows Mail started stealing focus again while I was writing a reply to a message in the last week or two, so I gargled the issue. I think I fixed it with a registry hack, but also found the new X-Setup app, which I thought had the "no stealing focus" option in it (turns out that it's actually Tweak UI for XP that had that option, Tweak VI for Vista doesn't). Anyways, I downloaded X-setup and now I can finally have the "open file" directories I want to see in Office 2003 without having to jump thru multiple hoops/directories, amongst other tweaks and improvements. Count me a happy customer today! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 18 22:32:28 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Dec 18 22:35:03 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Yay! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Indigo" wrote in message news:gif42t$1l1$1@news.spamcop.net... > X-setup Pro is now available for Vista, probably has been for sometime, > but Windows Mail started stealing focus again while I was writing a reply > to a message in the last week or two, so I gargled the issue. I think I > fixed it with a registry hack, Shit. While replying to an email in .social Windows Mail (spamcop ng) just stole focus again!!! From loyal at spamcop.user Fri Dec 19 00:22:32 2008 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Fri Dec 19 00:25:04 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: home theater In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have the satellite receiver's output connected to the input of the VCR, and the VCR's output going to the TV's input, right? AndrewB > The switch box sound like it might work, I'll check. > > Current setup: > > sat. receiver ==>TV > > VCR (recorder) ==> sat. receiver > > DVD (non recorder) ==> TV > > Situation: old (non recording) sat receiver -- able to record anything > on TV screen (both from sat. receiver and DVD.) > > Situation new (built in recorder) sat recover -- cannot record anything. > (sat receiver OEM states that this sat receiver is wired so it WILL NOT > ALLOW signal to go from the receiver to the VCR.) Proof = using an old > tape that I had recorded previously -- when I record I get a blank tape > that means that the previously recorded info has been overwritten with > 'nothing'. > > Is this any help? > > "AndrewB" wrote in message > news:ghvglu$69e$1@news.spamcop.net... >> anon wrote: >>> I know this is not computer/spam but I cannot find the answer on the >>> net. >>> >>> How do I connect both a DVD player and a VCR to my TV? >>> >>> I have cable but the receiver WILL NOT operate the VCR (oem says so >>> in addition to it not working.) >>> >>> The VCR IS connected to the cable box and works. >>> >>> The original cable box DID operate the VCR but the new one (with a >>> built in recorder) WILL NOT. >> >> I think you need a physical switch type of box to move between the DVD >> and VCR/Cable, if I understand you correctly. >> >> Maybe something like: >> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3070527 >> >> So you have two inputs right now: >> >> >> cable box -> VCR -> TV >> DVD -> TV >> >> So with a little box like that URL, you'll have: >> >> cable -> VCR -> \ >> switch box -> TV >> DVD -> / >> >> >> Do you have digital cable that goes to a HD TV for a digital picture? >> Do you intend to record cable on the VCR? 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This System Will Get You Paid Online From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 25 21:50:06 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Thu Dec 25 21:55:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] I-drive online backup? Message-ID: I use Syncback to automatically backup my important files to my external hard drive, but an article in PC World magazine has me thinking about creating on online backup file system. My biggest question is how safe is the data? I googled it, but came up blank. The data I'd be storing there is very sensitive, including various account passwords and financial account data. Anyone know anything about the safety/security of the data stored on I-drive? From loyal at spamcop.user Thu Dec 25 22:35:01 2008 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Thu Dec 25 22:35:09 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > I use Syncback to automatically backup my important files to my external > hard drive, but an article in PC World magazine has me thinking about > creating on online backup file system. My biggest question is how safe > is the data? I googled it, but came up blank. The data I'd be storing > there is very sensitive, including various account passwords and > financial account data. > > Anyone know anything about the safety/security of the data stored on > I-drive? These sort of online places spook me. If you are concerned about safety, download TrueCrypt, and create a virtual drive with a very good encryption key (no dictionary words, letters and numbers, punctuation characters, etc). Use SyncBack to move your files to the virtual drive. You can then close down the virtual drive and move the file anywhere. Since it's encrypted, it's probably safe to move to an online file site due to the very low chance of someone cracking a very good encryption key. AndrewB From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 26 13:49:20 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Fri Dec 26 13:50:09 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:gj1jd3$t8i$1@news.spamcop.net... > Indigo wrote: >> >> Anyone know anything about the safety/security of the data stored on >> I-drive? > > These sort of online places spook me. That's why I asked the question here..... > > If you are concerned about safety, download TrueCrypt, and create a > virtual drive with a very good encryption key (no dictionary words, > letters and numbers, punctuation characters, etc). Use SyncBack to move > your files to the virtual drive. > > You can then close down the virtual drive and move the file anywhere. > Since it's encrypted, it's probably safe to move to an online file site > due to the very low chance of someone cracking a very good encryption key. The whole point of this was to get copies of critical files "off site", meaning out of my house, in case of a disaster. Sure, I could encrypt the files and put them on a thumb drive or DVD, but then what do I do with it? I used to store that backup disk at work, but since I no longer have a job...... Turns out, as I got further into it, IDrive encrypts your files with a key that you choose. I guess someone who works at IDrive could get into my files somehow, but the chances of a hacker grabbing the data and decrypting it is kinda low, I'd think. And why bother with my little file set? As it turns out, I *thought* I paused the registration and uploading process last night, I got tired so I put the PC to sleep without pushing any kind of "start upload" button.....to my surprise, when I re-woke the PC this morning, I saw a dialogue box saying "IDrive Backup completed 8 hours ago"......so now the deed is done. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Dec 27 20:57:06 2008 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Dec 27 21:00:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? References: Message-ID: > I use Syncback to automatically backup my important files to my > external hard drive, but an article in PC World magazine has me > thinking about creating on online backup file system. My biggest > question is how safe is the data? I googled it, but came up blank. > The data I'd be storing there is very sensitive, including various > account passwords and financial account data. > > Anyone know anything about the safety/security of the data stored on > I-drive? Don't know that name, but in general (opinion only) I don't want my data in the hands of anyone I don't know, encrypted even by them; who knows where that data will end up tomorrow? It's not quite "off site" but I have a fireproof safe I put my sensitive backups in quarterly. For offsite storage I jsut trade sets of DVDs with my sister down the road but I realize everyone doesn't have that convenience. I do make sure I do my own encryption though, and that the encryption keys do not go along with the backups; they're on the external drive and in my wallet. And, they are tested to be sure they will work. That probably sounds like a lot of work but it isn't and it's only done every three months. Personally though I don't see the security of people I don't know being in charge of my sensitive data. Once "they" get hold of it, they have all the time in the world to try to crack the encryption at their own leisure and with whatever apps they want to throw at it. I guess it mostly depends on just how paranoid one wants to be about security. Or not. My 2 ˘ anyway. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 27 23:07:14 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Sat Dec 27 23:10:09 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:gj6mdg$m7v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Don't know that name, but in general (opinion only) I don't want my data > in the hands of anyone I don't know, encrypted even by them; who knows > where that data will end up tomorrow? It's not quite "off site" but I > have a fireproof safe I put my sensitive backups in quarterly. I have a fireproof safe a with backup DVD in it, but it's only rated for XX degrees for YY time. Not exactly dependable. For > offsite storage I jsut trade sets of DVDs with my sister down the road but > I realize everyone doesn't have that convenience. I do make sure I do my > own encryption though, and that the encryption keys do not go along with > the backups; they're on the external drive and in my wallet. And, they are > tested to be sure they will work. No family local to me, and nobody local I trust with the raw data. I know next to nothing about encryption. > That probably sounds like a lot of work but it isn't and it's only done > every three months. Personally though I don't see the security of people > I don't know being in charge of my sensitive data. Once "they" get hold > of it, they have all the time in the world to try to crack the encryption > at their own leisure and with whatever apps they want to throw at it. > > The *big* mistake I made in the first backup process, and the only troublesome ones, is that I backed up 1 file that contained all my financial account info (it's an informal will in case I die before creating a real will), and 2 files that contains my passwords to every online account I have (40 or so). They were deleted last night from IDrive and removed from the backup file list. I think I'm relatively safe now.....hopefully..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Dec 28 10:46:31 2008 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sun Dec 28 10:50:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? References: Message-ID: > "Twayne" wrote in message > news:gj6mdg$m7v$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >... but I have a fireproof safe I put my sensitive backups in >> quarterly. > > I have a fireproof safe a with backup DVD in it, but it's only rated > for XX degrees for YY time. Not exactly dependable. Yup; a lot of people don't realize that. Mine's good for an hour at ?? don't recall, but I think they're all pretty "iffy" specs since not many house fires duplicate test lab fires. In fact, this place we live in now has burned twice; once all the way to the ground. You can tell where the old house was by the old, smaller cellar walls and the new ones. The second fire was stopped and only went from cellar to attic via the walls before it was put out(single story at that point). When they rebuilt they didn't use fire-stops in the walls. Burned timbers in the basement, walls and attic all attest to that fire. I pulled the walls off in a couple places during redecorating & all the timbers/ 2x4s, etc. are still there. And brand new firestops. It was built originally in 1903 and rebuilt in 1969. I've rewired, replumbed & redecorated the entire house: So, I have a lot of evidence of where fires can go! I think you'd like this house; if you want to string a low voltage wire anywhere, there are 25 pair phone cables laying in the ceilings/walls in every room and even the attached garage, plus cellar ceiling. No CAT-5 or video cables in those days though. Dang it: All that wire and I couldn't use it for a LAN! > > For >> offsite storage I jsut trade sets of DVDs with my sister down the ... > No family local to me, and nobody local I trust with the raw data. I > know next to nothing about encryption. I've often thought about a Safe Deposit Box for off-site but as sort of a last resort. With those you can only get to them at their hours on their work days. > >> That probably sounds like a lot of work but it isn't and it's only >> done every three months. Personally though I don't see the security >> of people I don't know being in charge of my sensitive data. Once >> "they" get hold of it, they have all the time in the world to try to >> crack the encryption at their own leisure and with whatever apps >> they want to throw at it. >>> > > The *big* mistake I made in the first backup process, and the only > troublesome ones, is that I backed up 1 file that contained all my > financial account info (it's an informal will in case I die before > creating a real will), and 2 files that contains my passwords to > every online account I have (40 or so). They were deleted last night > from IDrive and removed from the backup file list. > > I think I'm relatively safe now.....hopefully..... Yeah, I recall it sort of went off automagically on you; now that's user friendly! Actually I've been considering online myself for photographs, etc., so others can get to them, too. I have two kids would like to get together and put their families on there too so I might do that. Then I'd ahve easy access to the grand kids pics & movies at least. Good luck! Twayne From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Dec 29 14:09:02 2008 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Indigo) Date: Mon Dec 29 14:10:09 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: I-drive online backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:gj870k$79b$1@news.spamcop.net... It was built > originally in 1903 and rebuilt in 1969. I've rewired, replumbed & > redecorated the entire house: So, I have a lot of evidence of where fires > can go! The best thing about my house (bought new in 1993) is that I never finished the basement and I have reasonable access to the attic space. Makes running new wires and fixing plumbing problems a piece of cake. > > I've often thought about a Safe Deposit Box for off-site but as sort of a > last resort. With those you can only get to them at their hours on their > work days. I really *should* get one, but I have no idea how much they cost and I need to keep my costs down these days. Besides the data backup, my original birth certificate and a few other irreplaceble items are contained in my safe. > > Yeah, I recall it sort of went off automagically on you; now that's user > friendly! Actually I've been considering online myself for > photographs, etc., so others can get to them, too. I have two kids would > like to get together and put their families on there too so I might do > that. Then I'd ahve easy access to the grand kids pics & movies at least. Oh, for photos and such I'd highly recommend IDrive, especially if you have them stored in one directory structure. I tried making a simple backup of my "work files" directory, but quickly blasted over the 2 GB free storage limit. I had taken quite a few large (100 MB +) files from work when I got layed off so I had things I had worked on to show a future employer (plus some really important data files of various thermal property databases that I helped build). So I had to root thru the Office directories/subs one by one to find the monster culprits and remove them from the backup list. The IDrive user interface is a nice simple Explorer type GUI, but it takes a bit getting used to, mostly because of Vista's stupid file system. If you search for doc or directories to backup you'll find them in two places -- in "Docs and Settings" and (usually) in Users/your username. But the docs and settings files are just some kinda link to to the real file, except maybe for the cookie file, IIRC. When I made my first (accidental) backup, I discovered that issue, confused the hell out of me. Another nice thing about it is that you can manage your files from the stand-alone PC software or by using the online interface, so you can actually grab files from the online storage and download them to a different PC (assuming you also have the software installed on that PC, of course). If you enable auto-backups like I have done, you need to have the IDrive software running in the background fulltime, so it *does* consume some memory, but it's not very much from what I can see. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 30 13:36:46 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 30 13:40:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Odd computer crash Message-ID: Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three different driver versions...no dice. The last time the computer rebooted, I had to cycle the power completely in order to get it to boot. Hitting the reset button didn't work. When it rebooted, I entered the BIOS setup to see if there was something I could change. I tried disabling the ACPI and when I did that, the system entered an infinite-reboot loop. Turning ACPI back on I was able to successfully boot into XP where I am currently trying one last version for the video driver, but given what's been happening I'm beginning to suspect a hardware failure. Should I simply bite the bullet and replace the video card, or does the ACPI issue I mentioned indicate something bigger like a motherboard fault? From ganhedinheironainternet at dinheiro.com Tue Dec 30 14:44:18 2008 From: ganhedinheironainternet at dinheiro.com (Ganhe dinheiro na internet) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:45:10 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] ganhe dinheiro na net , dinheiro rapido, dinheiro navegando, ganha dinheiro na internet, megainvestimento.com Message-ID: Essa semana, eu conheci um site muito interessante. Nele ha varios e-books de diversos temas interessantes, alem disso, eh um site de investimento, onde o valor pago retorna para nos com lucro de 300%. Voce efetua um pagamento unico de R$ 30,00, tem o direito a baixar mais de 30 apostilas onlines de diversos temas: - Memorizacao; - Leitura dinamica; - Fotografia digital; - Tecnicas em vendas; - Curso basico de VOIP; - Curso de Autocad 3D; - Muitos outros Alem das apostilas, voce participara de um Fantastico Negocio de Geracao de Renda. Sem grupos... Sem mensalidades... Uma unica coluna... Por se tratar de uma fila śnica, todo usu‡rio que ingressa no site tem um lugar na fila, a cada 10 cotas adquiridas em nosso sistema, todos os indicados descem para o numero anterior ao seu. EX: Se voce ingressar no projeto e seu numero for 51, assim que entrarem os proximos 10 voce subira para a posicao 50. Assim que voce chegar na posicao 1 da fila voce recebera R$ 130,00. Alem desse lucrode mais de 300%, voce podera ganhar R$ 10,00 por amigo que voce indicar e entrar no sistema. Pense nos lucros que podera obter alem dos grandes conhecimentos adquiridos com nossas apostilas virtuais. Voce pode adquirir agora mesmo a sua posicao. Lembre-se: eh por ordem de chegada ! Se voce deixar para amanha, podera ter dezenas de pessoas antes decvoce. Se aderir hoje, podera ter dezenas de pessoas apos voce amanha. Cadastre-se agora mesmo!!! http://my.opera.com/megainvestimento/blog/como-ganahr-dinheiro-na-internet-gastando-apenas-30-00-ganhei-130-em-1-semana http://my.opera.com/megainvestimento/ Comentario: Nao sou parte da equipe dos idealizadores do projeto, sou apenas um usuario que aprovou o sistema e viu nele um excelente oportunidade de conseguir uma renda de forma garantida, e passou pelo filtro que faco antes de me afiliar em qualquer negocio na rede. aJlO7(a]Wr-/^`*e'pi+ From joegill at removethis Tue Dec 30 19:34:54 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:35:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gjdpns$a34$1@news.spamcop.net... > Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. > Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a > video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around > with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three > different driver versions...no dice. > > The last time the computer rebooted, I had to cycle the power completely > in order to get it to boot. Hitting the reset button didn't work. When > it rebooted, I entered the BIOS setup to see if there was something I > could change. I tried disabling the ACPI and when I did that, the system > entered an infinite-reboot loop. > > Turning ACPI back on I was able to successfully boot into XP where I am > currently trying one last version for the video driver, but given what's > been happening I'm beginning to suspect a hardware failure. Should I > simply bite the bullet and replace the video card, or does the ACPI issue > I mentioned indicate something bigger like a motherboard fault? From joegill at removethis Tue Dec 30 19:37:12 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:40:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gjdpns$a34$1@news.spamcop.net... > Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. > Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a > video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around > with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three > different driver versions...no dice. > > The last time the computer rebooted, I had to cycle the power completely > in order to get it to boot. Hitting the reset button didn't work. When > it rebooted, I entered the BIOS setup to see if there was something I > could change. I tried disabling the ACPI and when I did that, the system > entered an infinite-reboot loop. > > Turning ACPI back on I was able to successfully boot into XP where I am > currently trying one last version for the video driver, but given what's > been happening I'm beginning to suspect a hardware failure. Should I > simply bite the bullet and replace the video card, or does the ACPI issue > I mentioned indicate something bigger like a motherboard fault? Some random thought.... 1)Run the 'overnight' version of the Microsoft Memory Checker tool. -or- memtest86+ is another program.. Let it run for a while.... 2) Another alternative is to swap memory sticks if you have more than 1. If the problem disappears, it is definitely a memory problem... Or if you have a spare stick..try that... 1) Before replacing the card, look at manufactures site for diagnostic tools 3) Consider 'rolling' back to a checkpoint before the system problems occurred. Also 'google' the error message (0x000000ea) and look at the various 'hits' both in WEB and GROUPS. Narrow your search with additional info. Also, what is in SYSTEM and APPLICATION in EVENT VIEWER around the time of each occurance??? From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 30 19:50:04 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 30 19:50:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:gjdpns$a34$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. >> Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a >> video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around >> with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three >> different driver versions...no dice. >> >> The last time the computer rebooted, I had to cycle the power >> completely in order to get it to boot. Hitting the reset button >> didn't work. When it rebooted, I entered the BIOS setup to see if >> there was something I could change. I tried disabling the ACPI and >> when I did that, the system entered an infinite-reboot loop. >> >> Turning ACPI back on I was able to successfully boot into XP where I >> am currently trying one last version for the video driver, but given >> what's been happening I'm beginning to suspect a hardware failure. >> Should I simply bite the bullet and replace the video card, or does >> the ACPI issue I mentioned indicate something bigger like a >> motherboard fault? > > Some random thought.... > > 1)Run the 'overnight' version of the Microsoft Memory Checker tool. > -or- memtest86+ is another program.. Let it run for a while.... > > 2) Another alternative is to swap memory sticks if you have more than 1. > If the problem disappears, it is definitely a memory problem... > Or if you have a spare stick..try that... > > 1) Before replacing the card, look at manufactures site for diagnostic > tools > 3) Consider 'rolling' back to a checkpoint before the system problems > occurred. > > Also 'google' the error message (0x000000ea) and look at the various > 'hits' both in WEB and GROUPS. Narrow your search with additional info. > > Also, what is in SYSTEM and APPLICATION in EVENT VIEWER around the time > of each occurance??? > I will run Memtest if the problem occurs again, before I swap video cards. As to the rest, most results on Google show that the error message is related to the video card drivers / hardware. Unfortunately nothing shows up in the System and Application logs. Whatever causes the problem...it just happens. From loyal at spamcop.user Tue Dec 30 23:33:00 2008 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Tue Dec 30 23:35:09 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. > Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a > video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around > with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three > different driver versions...no dice. When it gets the Stop message referencing 0x000000ea, what other text is displayed on the screen? Usually this text appears in the Event Viewer too. Does your video card have a fan on it? With the case open, and the computer on, with a flashlight ensure the fan is still turning. AndrewB From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 30 23:36:49 2008 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 30 23:40:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AndrewB wrote: > Borgholio wrote: >> Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. >> Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a >> video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around >> with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three >> different driver versions...no dice. > > When it gets the Stop message referencing 0x000000ea, what other text is > displayed on the screen? Usually this text appears in the Event Viewer > too. > > Does your video card have a fan on it? With the case open, and the > computer on, with a flashlight ensure the fan is still turning. > > > AndrewB Nothing shows on screen. The computer simply locks up and eventually either reboots on it's own or requires a power-cycle. The video card has no fan, it's an older Nvidia Vanta AGP card with 16mb ram. From joegill at removethis Wed Dec 31 00:57:09 2008 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Wed Dec 31 01:00:08 2008 Subject: [Scgeeks] Re: Odd computer crash References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:gjefjp$8jd$2@news.spamcop.net... > Joe Gill wrote: >> >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:gjdpns$a34$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Last few days one of my computers has been locking up in the mornings. >>> Sometimes it references a 0x000000ea error message, which indicates a >>> video driver or hardware issue. So my first step was to monkey around >>> with replacing the video driver for my card. Did that with three >>> different driver versions...no dice. >>> >>> The last time the computer rebooted, I had to cycle the power completely >>> in order to get it to boot. Hitting the reset button didn't work. When >>> it rebooted, I entered the BIOS setup to see if there was something I >>> could change. I tried disabling the ACPI and when I did that, the >>> system entered an infinite-reboot loop. >>> >>> Turning ACPI back on I was able to successfully boot into XP where I am >>> currently trying one last version for the video driver, but given what's >>> been happening I'm beginning to suspect a hardware failure. Should I >>> simply bite the bullet and replace the video card, or does the ACPI >>> issue I mentioned indicate something bigger like a motherboard fault? >> >> Some random thought.... >> >> 1)Run the 'overnight' version of the Microsoft Memory Checker tool. >> -or- memtest86+ is another program.. Let it run for a while.... >> >> 2) Another alternative is to swap memory sticks if you have more than 1. >> If the problem disappears, it is definitely a memory problem... >> Or if you have a spare stick..try that... >> >> 1) Before replacing the card, look at manufactures site for diagnostic >> tools >> 3) Consider 'rolling' back to a checkpoint before the system problems >> occurred. >> >> Also 'google' the error message (0x000000ea) and look at the various >> 'hits' both in WEB and GROUPS. Narrow your search with additional info. >> >> Also, what is in SYSTEM and APPLICATION in EVENT VIEWER around the time >> of each occurance??? >> > > I will run Memtest if the problem occurs again, before I swap video cards. > As to the rest, most results on Google show that the error message is > related to the video card drivers / hardware. Unfortunately nothing shows > up in the System and Application logs. Whatever causes the problem...it > just happens. I would run the LONG version of memtest overnight... It may force the issue.. Also see this link http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/468208-solved-blue-error-screen-0x000000ea.html which ends with.. "thank you guys, you were right, it was a memory stick problem. I ran memtest86+ on either stick at a time and i got errors for one and no errors for the other, using the same slot. Had i tried this earlier i could have saved myself the money for the new hard disk but well, i didn't know. Hope this helps other people with my same problem"