From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 1 03:15:15 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sun Apr 30 22:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "NotMe" wrote in news:e33poa$9jq$3@news.spamcop.net: > One thing she does have and it DOES make a big difference is a SO that > cares, understands and has not bailed. Thanks for that. ;-) She get's mean/snippy at times, but there a very good reason. On top of all the pain, is the worry about what is next, and when she settles down, she says pretty much what you just did. I honestly can say that I could not handle all she has gone thru over the past 9 years. From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Mon May 1 12:58:02 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Mon May 1 06:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Berny wrote on Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:44:24 -0500: > I (my family) uses Skype, www.skype.com excellent and free computer to > computer, even if the parties to the call are on dialup. Ah yes, Skype. Brought to you by the samne people who wrote Kazaa. Tell me, how far do you trust Skype? From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 09:25:44 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 09:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | > One thing she does have and it DOES make a big difference is a SO that | > cares, understands and has not bailed. | | Thanks for that. ;-) | | She get's mean/snippy at times, but there a very good reason. On top of all | the pain, is the worry about what is next, and when she settles down, she | says pretty much what you just did. | | I honestly can say that I could not handle all she has gone thru over the | past 9 years. Just reread my post and failed/forgot to mention that I've been on the pain side and try as I might to control it my wife has had to put up with the mean/snippy stuff as well. Still and all having someone who cares who is willing to suffer through the emotional fallout makes a great difference, perhaps all the difference. From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 09:28:52 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 09:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Maggie's Mom" | Last week we received a letter from Qwest, with yet another price hike on | caller ID. This made me think, that possibly there are other providers, with | more reasonable prices. | Vonage advertises a lot. I started looking up reviews on Vonage, and that | was how I discovered SurRocket, Waybeyondvoip, and about 1700 others just in | the USA alone. | I read some reviews already, but it seems that not all of them were | unbiased, especially those that were written by one Anonymous. | Has anyone from the group have a first hand experience with VOiP, and if | yes - what are the opinions? Is it worth switching from Qwest? | Peace, - Maggie's Mom. We're looking into VOiP but if we do we're getting a metered standard land line phone as a back up. In bound calls are free out bound are at some low per min rate. Bigest potential down side is if the power fails (even if you have UPS at the house) you're likely going to be out of a phone. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:16:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > news:Xns97B3793A8B324sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > >> > >> Ray Bans. They don't change the colours of things, get the ones > >> with grey lenses. > > > > Oooh, and not cheap either - are they glass lenses, or plastic? > > Glass. Nice enough. I've been happy with glass Vuarnets as well. > And while I used to spend ~$120 a pair for sunglasses, Holy cow! I'd never spend that much money on sunglasses, I tend to lose them or smash them up accidentally in my car. Never pay more than $10 for a pair. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:18:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > go to a standard optical shop (sears, kmart cosco etc) by a good set > of frame with optical glass without correction. I still have the frames from the last pair of glasses I owned before I had LASIK surgery, great unbreakable (flexible) titanium frames with double hinges. Have been planning to have them made into good sunglasses for, oh.....6 years now? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:20:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > I always buy grey lens polarized glasses, I think that the > polycarbonate lens is what's causing the problem, maybe optical glass > will be easier to see through. Grey or bluish green is my fav too (how folks can stand wearing those orangish yellow lenses is beyond my comprehension, they drive me nuts). All my real glasses were made with polycarbonate, don't think that's what's causing your problem. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:21:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e2tsk0$dv2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Same thing as getting far sighted as you get older. I actually > > experienced that right after I had the laser surgery on my eyes, > > all the sudden I had to read pill bottle labels at a certain > > distance away from my face. It's slowly getting worse over time, > > nothing anyone can do about it as the eye muscles age. > > Don't they correct one eye for close vision and one eye for far > vision when they do lasix? No. There is no surgery to correct far-sightedness due to aging of the ocular muscles. You need reading glasses, no other option. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:22:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is very surprising References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > And we already subsidize those ASSHOLES as it is. Shit. Pay sales > tax? An oil company? Sorry! Never! Don't need to! Any other > company? Of course. Yeah, yeah, we just got out of paying 8% sales > tax because of these BULLSHIT rules. Am I happy about it? Not one > bit, trust me! Don't forget they've also been relieved of having to pay about $6 billion in royalty fees for drilling on public land! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:27:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fly season References: <52l1i3-jsp.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , "indigo" > wrote: > > > Mr K. Mean wrote: > > > indigo wrote: > > > > > > > > Depends...do you have an Andy Sipowitz butt or a Jimmy Smits > > > > butt? > > > > > > No. I suspect that they would make me return them if I did. I > > > also don't know who that first guy is either. > > > > Character Dennis Franz use to play on NYPD Blue (fat slob). I > > forgot JS's character's name. > > Bobby Simone DingDingDing! We have a winna! Loved Diane, his girlfriend (wife?) on the show. Nice butt ;-) From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Mon May 1 09:35:53 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Mon May 1 09:40:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "D-W-S" wrote in message news:slrne5bmta.2e5k.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... > Berny wrote on Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:44:24 -0500: > > > I (my family) uses Skype, www.skype.com excellent and free computer to > > computer, even if the parties to the call are on dialup. > > Ah yes, Skype. Brought to you by the samne people who wrote Kazaa. > > Tell me, how far do you trust Skype? So, whom would you trust?, besides the usual IM's I don't find the NetZeros and Vonages any less likely to do what bothers you about Kazaa. Also, as I understand it Kazaa light, never did more than it claimed,. (spyware etc.). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:37:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Just reread my post and failed/forgot to mention that I've been on > the pain side and try as I might to control it my wife has had to put > up with the mean/snippy stuff as well. > > Still and all having someone who cares who is willing to suffer > through the emotional fallout makes a great difference, perhaps all > the difference. Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:39:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > Have you seen the new ads for Celebrex? They begin with a warning: > "Important Information: Celebrex may increase the chance of a heart > attack or stroke that can lead to death." > > I'll take my chances with the arthritis pain, thank you very much. Yeah, I googled Celebrex over the weekend (pain levels were thru the roof, my right big toe hurt so badly I couldn't put any weight on it), I did NOT like what I read. All Cox-2 inhibitors seem to be very dangerous as far as stroke/heart attacks go. No way am I taking that stuff. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:41:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:45:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e2tqh8$ct6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Heh. Yeah, nearly due west, I think. I found a satellite photo of my > > neighborhood on Google, IIRC, could see my house pretty well. Her > > "grid" ain't quite fine enough to me though, LOL. > > Well it may take her a week instead of a month of searching and now > she knows she has to find a white rancher with blue shutters and > doors! LOL She's not interested anymore *sniffle*....I have COOTIES........ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:42:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e2tqn8$cv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Dunno about that....I mean I LIKE a nice cocktail or 2, you know? > > Makes my golf game better for one thing! > > > > > > > > Or it makes your golf game SEEM better ;o) Why does everyone think I'm joking about this? It's a quantifiable fact! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:43:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote in > news:Xns97B45BEC28343sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > > > http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx > > > > ... check out California > > > > Parts of Alberta - $109.9/liter Holy gas pump, Batman! That's what, about $440 per gallon? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:45:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Porpoise" ! > > > Never mind the price of oil.... people can live without oil. It's > > the price of water we all ought to be getting concerned about..... > > no-one can live without water..... Just wait til *that* becomes the > > major commodity...... > > People have been repeating this for over 20 years. I don't see it as > becoming an issue. Not true in certain parts of Asia and Africa, Charles......it's a serious problem. And de-salination plants don't help landlocked countries....... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:49:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Only thing high gas prices do is hurt small business and low wage > > earners. > > Hardly. And the gas prices are hardly high. Go on - check out the > price of gas compared to inflation. Hardly? This rise in gas prices has eaten up the entire raise I got last September! Add in my soon to skyrocket electric bill and I'm going backwards in a huge way, cash flow wise. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:54:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 09:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: For another, I didn't get a $600 bike (it > was quite a bit more). For another, I am "constantly" replacing > parts on it - I've had to purchase a new shifter (twice, actually, at > ~$120 each) Two replaced shifters in two years? Sounds like a pretty crappy bike to me.....hell, my old Schwinn 10-speed still works fine, and I bought that thing in 1977! Course it's stuck in the basement right now with two flat tires, and it's too much of a PITA to carry it up and down the stairs to use it on any kind of regular basis. If I had a garage things would be different. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 1 08:54:13 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Mon May 1 09:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e350hc$v9a$2@news.spamcop.net... > We're looking into VOiP but if we do we're getting a metered standard land > line phone as a back up. In bound calls are free out bound are at some > low > per min rate. > > Bigest potential down side is if the power fails (even if you have UPS at > the house) you're likely going to be out of a phone. > Yes, I thought about it. I do have a pre-paid cell phone, that actually does pretty good most of the time. We do have power outages and "brownouts" where I live. So far the cell phone worked quite well as a backup. I am not going to switch to VOiP without a thorough research, because the technology is still relatively new, and it just promises the moon, and I don't like it. But considering the prices on the landline going up every time I turn around, it sure is tempting to find a replacement for overpriced services... thus the research. So I am well prepared when I decide. I hope to find several people with first hand experience with VOiP, willing to share the loves and hates - it is always useful to hear from someone who actually used the service. Peace, - Maggie's Mom. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:57:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > What is crazy is I am one of a fairly large number of folks around > here > that have to run 93 octane (supercharged engine) What do you have? I'm not aware of too many vehicles that still use superchargers (I still miss my Thunderbird SC ;-) and that has to be > trucked in from Texas to a local gas station. One of three in this > area. > It's still lower than 93 in Texas. But then again the station owner > only charges three cents a gallon above his price. 87/89/91 is > common in this area. Every station around here sells 87/89/93. Lots of high end vehicles on the road, I guess. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 10:58:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So here's a way to reverse the flow of illegal immigration References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > There are lot of empty homes down there, we can fill 'em all up! > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR2006042900421.html > > MEXICO CITY -- Mexicans would be allowed to possess small amounts of > cocaine, heroin, even ecstasy for their personal use under a bill > approved by lawmakers that some worry could prove to be a lure to > young Americans. I read about that the other day. Insane. I can understand de-criminalizing mary jane, but those other drugs? That's crazy, they KILL people! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:02:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Berny wrote: > I (my family) uses Skype, www.skype.com excellent and free computer > to computer, even if the parties to the call are on dialup. > > It's eu0.02 (2 eurocents about 2.5 cents) per minute for > international calls to a land line, we use that all the time between > the UAE , and Canada or the US. > > Quality is as good as using the fixed lines end to end. > > for equipment we bought $5.00 microphone, we use the computers > speakers but we also bought headphones at the same price for private > calls. (we had expected a feedback or echo problem but it never > happened). I have used Yahoo Messenger's voice function to talk to people before, it was god-awful (time delay, noisy, VOX type system). What's the difference with VOiP? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 1 15:11:09 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 10:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e353ap$1sa$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: >> Parts of Alberta - $109.9/liter > > Holy gas pump, Batman! That's what, about $440 per gallon? ;-) > > Even tho it feels like that at times, my fingers "missed" a key. :) (SMART @$$!!) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 1 15:12:29 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 10:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e352vh$1kd$1@news.spamcop.net: > Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) I'm real glad you asked for his support system insteand of my S.O.'s. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:12:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 10:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e35370$1rg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > She's not interested anymore *sniffle*....I have COOTIES........ And those are even worse than the 'boy cooties' you already had! ;> From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:15:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 10:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e351mi$k3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Holy cow! I'd never spend that much money on sunglasses, I tend to lose them > or smash them up accidentally in my car. Never pay more than $10 for a pair. I've paid $20 a pair for polarized blublockers, but the way I beat them up and lose them, well I'm wondering how I"m going to cope without having three or four pairs of Ray Bans hanging around. Might have to be careful for a change...... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:19:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:20:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > > (SMART @$$!!) You're welcome ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:17:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 10:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e351uq$s1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Grey or bluish green is my fav too (how folks can stand wearing those > orangish yellow lenses is beyond my comprehension, they drive me nuts). All > my real glasses were made with polycarbonate, don't think that's what's > causing your problem. > I think that's exactly what's causing the problem, either they're finely scratched, but they don't look it, or my eyes are getting worse and can't focus through the plastic lenses. Without them my vision is very sharp, so it has to be the quality of what I"m looking through. We'll see, the Raybans should be here in a couple of days, although we won't be seeing sun till Friday!!! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:21:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e352vh$1kd$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) > > I'm real glad you asked for his support system insteand of my S.O.'s. > ;-) You'd have too far to drive anyway :-P From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 1 15:24:50 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 10:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e355gl$3r2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: >> "indigo" wrote in >> news:e352vh$1kd$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >> > Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) >> >> I'm real glad you asked for his support system insteand of my S.O.'s. >> ;-) > > You'd have too far to drive anyway :-P > > > Yeah, and at $440 a gallon, that would be REAL expensive. LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:32:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 10:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3520q$sc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > No. There is no surgery to correct far-sightedness due to aging of the > ocular muscles. You need reading glasses, no other option. Hm. I could have sworn my sister said they corrected one of her eyes one way and they other another way, maybe it's middle distance vision or something. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:56:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 11:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > I think that's exactly what's causing the problem, either they're > finely scratched, but they don't look it, or my eyes are getting > worse and can't focus through the plastic lenses. Without them my > vision is very sharp, so it has to be the quality of what I"m looking > through. Could be that they have lots of miniscule scratches on them. Do you use napkins to clean them? Some napkins can cause micro-scratches in the plastic. We'll see, the Raybans should be here in a couple of days, > although we won't be seeing sun till Friday!!! Huh? It's supposed to be gorgeous down here all week, where are your clouds coming from? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 12:06:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 11:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3520q$sc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > No. There is no surgery to correct far-sightedness due to aging of > > the ocular muscles. You need reading glasses, no other option. > > Hm. I could have sworn my sister said they corrected one of her eyes > one way and they other another way, maybe it's middle distance vision > or something. It depends on *why* she couldn't see. Farsightedness from a young age *can* be corrected via LASIK if it's due to a mis-shaped cornea. But if you get it from growing old (muscle degeneration) there's nothing to fix, surgically speaking. And I think making one eye farsighted and one nearsighted on purpose would drive one insane! (most people have a dominant eye) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 13:44:03 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon May 1 12:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Telemarketers.... References: Message-ID: <44563AD3.23F65A6A@spamcop.net> Borgholio wrote: > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Borgholio wrote in > > news:e2rovq$9jf$3@news.spamcop.net: > > > >>That must be it, as they all address me by my name. My paranoid > >>spidey sense tells me that it's a fraudulent company just going by > >>several names. > > > > Well that wouldn't surprise me in the least. What the hell are they trying > > to sell you? Have you in any way showed any interest in having any > > construction done and given your number out somewhere? > > They're trying to offer remodeling and home improvment jobs. And to my > knowledge, I haven't shown any interest. I haven't had to use these lately, as the DNC has cut down on the telemarketers tremendously. Some answers I've come up with to avoid the "wait until they say 'no' 5 times before giving up" syndrome. Home improvement / chimney cleaners / etc. "I rent." Charities / etc. "I never give to any charity that calls me at home." I've thankfully forgotten the others, as I haven't needed them. But, make it clear that there's no way they'll get a "yes" from you, without using the standard "sorry, not interested" line. And even if you were interested, you're not authorized to buy their product. (If you rent, you're not in a position to buy vinyl siding, are you?) If it's a recorded message, I simply put the phone down and let it play the entire pitch on their dime. When you get the "please hang up and try again" beeps from the phone company, hang up. If I'm not busy at the moment, I may listen enough to figure out which button to press to talk to a live person (to spend another of their dimes), and then ask why they're calling a number on the DNC. There's usually an immediate "click" as they hang up. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 13:50:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 12:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-F57A3A.12091901052006@frylock.local... > I went to a gas station this morning to fill up, and all the pumps > had signs saying "No gas" Is it the 70s over again? All those illegal alien truckdrivers must not have shown up for work today. Such a nice thought, going back to no gas, what's next, rationing? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 13:52:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 13:00:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e357ie$4t4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Could be that they have lots of miniscule scratches on them. Do you use > napkins to clean them? Some napkins can cause micro-scratches in the > plastic. No, I usually use my clothes....something soft like my sweater. > Huh? It's supposed to be gorgeous down here all week, where are your clouds > coming from? We're sandwiched inbetween two storms, the one over the ocean is supposed to back up and give us some rain, all week. Fine by me, we're five inches below normal already, I've had to water my garden to get things to come up, it's bone dry out there. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 13:56:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e35862$5c1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It depends on *why* she couldn't see. Farsightedness from a young age *can* > be corrected via LASIK if it's due to a mis-shaped cornea. But if you get it > from growing old (muscle degeneration) there's nothing to fix, surgically > speaking. And I think making one eye farsighted and one nearsighted on > purpose would drive one insane! (most people have a dominant eye) > She's needed glasses since she was very young, so it's probably something they could correct. Me, on the other hand..... I'm just old and going blind..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 14:10:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 13:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > I went to a gas station this morning to fill up, and all the pumps > had signs saying "No gas" Is it the 70s over again? Probably cleaning out the tanks to switch from MTBE to ethanol gas. Every station in the country had to shut down for at least one day to do this. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 16:36:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Odd that this was never mentioned on the news Message-ID: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/29.html And Colbert's show tonight might be worth staying up for...... "Colbert complained that he was "surrounded by the liberal media who are destroying this country, except for Fox News. Fox believes in presenting both sides-the president's side and the vice president's side." From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 16:41:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Internet freedom? Message-ID: Is this for real? Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet as we know it. Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment and the key to Internet freedom. Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you based on which site pays AT&T more. So Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to work more properly on your computer. Many members of Congress take campaign contributions from these companies, and they don't think the public are paying attention to this issue. Let's show them we care - please sign this petition today. http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2 From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 1 21:09:17 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 16:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns97B6852408C9Bsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > That's not actually what I was referring to (the pain management). I > meant the getting better part, the healing. If you go in with a > negative attitude, it has been proven that you're less likely to get a > good outcome. She wasn't negative before the surgery, and is not "much" negative now. More disappointed because of the surgeon had told her, that there would a a major relief of the pain right after the surgery. Besides, after three surgeries and over 9 years dealing with this, it's not that easy to stay positive. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 17:18:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 16:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68492E6437sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > hopefully he's in the habit of using condoms anyway... errr...don't think so, from past discussions, that's why I brought it up.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 17:56:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 1 17:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B6897281EC1sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > I dunno, if a pain is bad enough. They don't say what the percentage risk > is of getting those side effects. If it was really bad, the drug would not > have been approved/would be withdrawn. I daresay there are all sorts of > side effects from any of the more serious painkillers. You just have to > make a decision based on what you're willing to endure. When you read about the Vioxx cases and all the stuff that was hidden before it was approved, you would have to wonder if Celebrex, in the same family of drugs, isn't much the same. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/12/08/merck-vioxx-study-1208markets14.html "In the wake of a court deposition of one of its top editors, The New England Journal of Medicine says that data that might have linked the drug to an increase in heart attacks years earlier was deleted from the biggest study of Merck's (nyse: MRK - news - people ) Vioxx, published in 2000. The Journal has asked the authors for a correction. According to a posting on the Journal's Web site, editors at the world's top medical journal found by examining a computer diskette that relevant data about Vioxx's risk to the heart compared with an older pain drug, naproxen, were deleted two days before the paper was initially submitted to the Journal" From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:27:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: bloody nerve! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4960308.stm > > "US diplomatic staff in London have run up unpaid congestion charge > fees of £271,000 in the past six months, new figures have revealed. > > Transport for London (TfL) said embassy staff, the subject of a bitter > tirade from London mayor Ken Livingstone, have jumped high up the debt > table. > > The US embassy has said it does not intend to pay the fees, instead > claiming diplomatic privilege. " > > > > In that case, why should British (and other) diplomats pay any tolls > for roads in the US? Old news....do you know how many parking fines are owed to NYC from illegal parking by diplomats stationed at the UN? It's outrageous, and no one can do a damn thing about it. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:31:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Odd that this was never mentioned on the news References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/29.html > > And Colbert's show tonight might be worth staying up for...... > > "Colbert complained that he was "surrounded by the liberal media who > are destroying this country, except for Fox News. Fox believes in > presenting both sides-the president's side and the vice president's > side." Great video! Did you catch the nervously quiet tittering laughter in the background every time he made a cutting remark? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:37:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Odd that this was never mentioned on the news References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/29.html > > And Colbert's show tonight might be worth staying up for...... > > "Colbert complained that he was "surrounded by the liberal media who > are destroying this country, except for Fox News. Fox believes in > presenting both sides-the president's side and the vice president's > side." BTW, what loon invited him to speak at that event?!? Did they know what kind of biting satire he does? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:44:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:45:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > When you read about the Vioxx cases and all the stuff that was hidden > before it was approved, you would have to wonder if Celebrex, in the > same family of drugs, isn't much the same. I wouldn't touch it with > a barge pole. > Me either. Gotta be something out there that will give me pain relief without the risk of killing me! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:37:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68A1B2E5A6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > > What did you get? That's a good price and I'm sure you'll be very happy > with them. Do they have grey lenses? Nononono, the $39.95 pair I didn't get, they were ugly, and I don't think I wanna look like Will Smith http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39205999&memberId=12500226 I ordered the Predators and the Baloramas, with the idea that I'd probably send one of them back if I didn't like the fit, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised - which will be expensive! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:38:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68AB4FA104sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Bro in law on Long Island has VOIP via Comcast or Time Warner, I forget > which. It's alright but not great and I believe if there's a power outage > you may be SOL. .......or a cable outage..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:46:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e3533b$1p4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Yeah, I googled Celebrex over the weekend (pain levels were thru the > > roof, my right big toe hurt so badly I couldn't put any weight on > > it), > > you don't have gout do you? (as if you need any other ailments LOL) Nope. Urea levels are normal, and they didn't find any cysts in my knee fluid or whatever crud they normally find in gout patients joints. I actually have real arthritis in both of my big toes, I've seen the x-rays of the calcium deposits. This pain over the weekend was more in the tendon than in the joint itself anyway (fibromyalgia symptom, not arthritis). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:39:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68C28FFCF6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > you don't have gout do you? (as if you need any other ailments LOL) "Oh, gout, the favorite ailment of the upper classes! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:47:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e35370$1rg$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > She's not interested anymore *sniffle*....I have COOTIES........ > > > > > > > > I guess she doesn't like old, broken down geezers ;o) At least I can still SEE....... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:48:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is very surprising References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > 2) will only really come into play if oil is traded in something > other than dollars. That's the real reason Saddam was attacked. Iran was supposed to open it's own oil futures market by April 28th, trading in Euros. Wonder what happened to cancel that? It would have been an economic disaster for the US dollar. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:49:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns97B68A1B2E5A6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > > > > > What did you get? That's a good price and I'm sure you'll be very > > happy with them. Do they have grey lenses? > > Nononono, the $39.95 pair I didn't get, they were ugly, and I don't > think I wanna look like Will Smith > http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39205999&memberId=12500226 > Looks more like Blues Brothers sunglasses to me.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:42:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 18:50:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68AE6357C1sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > Eventually though the sea water may dry up. But like I said, not in our > lifetimes. Especially with all these glaciers and ice caps melting! But it's going to be so damn polluted from all the waste and garbage we're dumping into it, it won't be worth using! Why the hell would you dump barges and barges of garbage into the ocean and expect that it's not going to come back? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:51:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e357ie$4t4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Could be that they have lots of miniscule scratches on them. Do you > > use napkins to clean them? Some napkins can cause micro-scratches in > > the plastic. > > You can buy boxes of lens wiping tissues (kinda like Snotties boxes) > in Lenscrafters stores, they can be reused multiple times so they're > pretty cheap. I keep a stash of napkins from restaurants in my center console for when I get nasal congestion in the car, sometimes when I get fingerprints on my sunglasses it drives me crazy and I forget to NOT use the napkins to clean them. Ruined more than one pair of glasses that way. Some kitchen paper towels do the same thing, they can have a reinforcing fiber in them to help them stay in one piece when they get wet. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:52:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Eventually though the sea water may dry up. But like I said, not in > our lifetimes. Especially with all these glaciers and ice caps > melting! What are you smoking?!? Sea water drying up? LOL! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:54:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 18:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e354d7$2v8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > I have used Yahoo Messenger's voice function to talk to people > > before, it was god-awful (time delay, noisy, VOX type system). > > What's the difference with VOiP? > > Skype is much better than YM or MSN. You can use it to call land > lines for a small fee too. Me, I wouldn't get VOIP based on bro in > law's phone. But can both parties talk at the same time like on regular phones? That's the thing you can't do with YM. From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Tue May 2 01:54:35 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Mon May 1 18:55:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Berny wrote on Mon, 1 May 2006 08:35:53 -0500: >> Ah yes, Skype. Brought to you by the samne people who wrote Kazaa. >> >> Tell me, how far do you trust Skype? > > So, whom would you trust?, besides the usual IM's I don't find the NetZeros > and Vonages any less likely to do what bothers you about Kazaa. I'd run Asterisk, use a SIP phone and use one of the numerous IAX services who provide communications at a ridiculously low rate. The only reason I don't is because my ISP provides a VoIP service that includes free calls to land lines in 14 countries. > Also, as I understand it Kazaa light, never did more than it claimed,. > (spyware etc.). Call me a cynic, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kazaa light was produced only because the truth about Kazaa escaped. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 19:55:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 19:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns97B68C28FFCF6sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > > > > you don't have gout do you? (as if you need any other ailments LOL) > > "Oh, gout, the favorite ailment of the upper > classes! I'm not consuming anything to cause a gout attack anyway. I eat pretty much low fat as well as I can for my cholesterol, and I haven't had a drink of alcohol for over 3 weeks now. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:09:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Odd that this was never mentioned on the news References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3628g$nci$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Great video! Did you catch the nervously quiet tittering laughter in the > background every time he made a cutting remark? ;-) > It was *very* uncomfortable, sounded like he took everyone by surprise. I loved the Helen Thomas thing, it was long but funny, she cracks me up. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:12:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e362vh$nn4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Me either. Gotta be something out there that will give me pain relief > without the risk of killing me! Well, I like vicodin and percocet.......anything else either destroys your stomach or your liver. I'd rather lose a few brain cells.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:13:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e36358$nrm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > At least I can still SEE....... > I can still see.....as long as you stand over there.....a little further back........ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:14:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:25:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > You should be able to get them for less than that in a sale or something. > There's bound to be somewhere online that'll be cheaper. I've had my > Wayfarers for about 15 years and they're still fine with minimal scratches > on the lenses and they get a lot of abuse (thrown into the centre console > of the car). I've got another pair, kinda like the Predators and they're > also in perfect condition about 9 years later. So as long as you don't go > and lose them, they're gonna last you for years. What happens if they get scratched, can an optician buff them? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:15:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:25:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > If you mostly use them in the car, leave them in there. I have two pairs of > RB, one in the car, one in my bag and another pair of some other sunglasses > in the other car. That's easier said than done, they usually end up on my head most of the time because they're off and on, I'm very bad about leaving things where they should be. I hope they come with a nice hard case, otherwise they're toast! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:17:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:30:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68E21C4C25sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... > Bad idea. Don't do that if you can avoid it. But it's less of an issue with > glass lenses, unless they're coated for anti-reflectivity. I mean soft sweater like cashmere, not scratchy cotton....only the best for my cheap sunglasses! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:23:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e363a3$o6j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Looks more like Blues Brothers sunglasses to me.... Kinda like......certainly don't suit me... http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2002/MenInBlackII.html From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue May 2 01:36:45 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 1 19:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in > news:e2tslc$dvg$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Now all I have to do is get rid of the 'lymes' symptoms, get my back >> rewired, have both my hips replaced and I'll be ok... Dang..wheres my >> gun >> > > bloody hell... you'll be the bionic man by the time you're done The Royal Navy did think I was trying to leave bit by bit at one time... (I don't 'usually' catch things, I just keep breaking things)... From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue May 2 00:42:12 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 19:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns97B68E8503C88sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61: > The surgeon shouldn't have given her hopes based on maybes I guess. > That's my feelings also. Specially since the first two surgeries went not so good. > I fully understand that it must be very hard to be positive about > anything at this stage. She is really a strong person and at times, really amazes me. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:37:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97B6B41702500innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > > She is really a strong person and at times, really amazes me. That's why men don't give birth, honey......it's called extinction...... ;) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 20:48:59 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 19:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e362vh$nn4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Me either. Gotta be something out there that will give me pain > > relief without the risk of killing me! > > Well, I like vicodin and percocet.......anything else either destroys > your stomach or your liver. I'd rather lose a few brain cells.... Picked up some more Percs this morning, thank god my Dr. is still feeling guilty ;-) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon May 1 19:53:59 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon May 1 19:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: indigo did pass the time by typing: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >> Eventually though the sea water may dry up. But like I said, not in >> our lifetimes. Especially with all these glaciers and ice caps >> melting! > > What are you smoking?!? Sea water drying up? LOL! The ocean is a toilet for fish. And if the oceans did dry up it would be very very humid. 1,370,000,000 km3 of water in 100,000,000,000 km3 of air :) I'm not going to even bother with the math. -- DougW From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue May 2 00:58:02 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 20:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:e366ih$q9q$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns97B6B41702500innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> >> She is really a strong person and at times, really amazes me. > > That's why men don't give birth, honey......it's called > extinction...... ;) > > > I'll agree with that! ;-) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon May 1 20:08:58 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon May 1 20:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Heidi did pass the time by typing: > "JohnL" wrote... >> >> She is really a strong person and at times, really amazes me. > > That's why men don't give birth, honey......it's called extinction...... ;) NSFW. (and put down the coffee) http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0000796.html -- DougW From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue May 2 01:21:59 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 1 20:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "DougW" wrote in news:e367um$r79$1@news.spamcop.net: > http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0000796.html ow, ow, OW!!!! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue May 2 02:35:22 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 1 20:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "DougW" wrote in > news:e367um$r79$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0000796.html > > ow, ow, OW!!!! piece of cake, so long as its under 7lbs From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:06:36 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" | Frog Prince wrote: | > Just reread my post and failed/forgot to mention that I've been on | > the pain side and try as I might to control it my wife has had to put | > up with the mean/snippy stuff as well. | > | > Still and all having someone who cares who is willing to suffer | > through the emotional fallout makes a great difference, perhaps all | > the difference. | | Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) Err, NO! Her sisters happily married as well. Best part is she's teaching my grand daughters the same world view. From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:08:52 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:25:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3634o$nri$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > "indigo" wrote in | > news:e3533b$1p4$1@news.spamcop.net: | > | > | > > Yeah, I googled Celebrex over the weekend (pain levels were thru the | > > roof, my right big toe hurt so badly I couldn't put any weight on | > > it), | > | > you don't have gout do you? (as if you need any other ailments LOL) | | Nope. Urea levels are normal, and they didn't find any cysts in my knee | fluid or whatever crud they normally find in gout patients joints. I | actually have real arthritis in both of my big toes, I've seen the x-rays of | the calcium deposits. This pain over the weekend was more in the tendon than | in the joint itself anyway (fibromyalgia symptom, not arthritis). | Might look into a 'trigger point' massage. Make SURE the person giving you the massage KNOWS what they are doing else you're going to be grabbing some ceiling tiles. From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:10:41 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:25:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97B6537FD5FE1innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "indigo" wrote in news:e352vh$1kd$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > Can I borrow your wife for a while? ;-) | | I'm real glad you asked for his support system instead of my S.O.'s. ;-) ROFL From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:13:49 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:25:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:e366ih$q9q$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "JohnL" wrote in message | news:Xns97B6B41702500innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | > | > She is really a strong person and at times, really amazes me. | | That's why men don't give birth, honey......it's called extinction...... ;) You didn't see my last kidney stone. From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:36:24 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: bloody nerve! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B675AC2DDE0sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4960308.stm | | "US diplomatic staff in London have run up unpaid congestion charge fees of | £271,000 in the past six months, new figures have revealed. | | Transport for London (TfL) said embassy staff, the subject of a bitter | tirade from London mayor Ken Livingstone, have jumped high up the debt | table. | | The US embassy has said it does not intend to pay the fees, instead | claiming diplomatic privilege. " | | | | In that case, why should British (and other) diplomats pay any tolls for | roads in the US? Bascially they don't espically in NYC From me at privacy.net Mon May 1 23:37:57 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 1 22:45:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is very surprising References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B686FF5F07Dsylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... | "Frog Prince" wrote in | news:e2vm0h$8uf$2@news.spamcop.net: | | | > Slight correction: Oil companies kept on drilling but bascially | > capped the wells and only started producing AFTER the price controls | > and FW taxes were removed. | > | | I have a solution then. The government should get into the drilling | business. The goverment works for big oil. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 00:00:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 1 23:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e36fs3$vb7$4@news.spamcop.net... > > You didn't see my last kidney stone. Unless it was 9 lbs and 22 inches long, I won't be impressed...... From edb2000 at spamcop.net Mon May 1 22:06:59 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Tue May 2 00:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Telemarketers.... In-Reply-To: <44563AD3.23F65A6A@spamcop.net> References: <44563AD3.23F65A6A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Some answers I've come up with to avoid the "wait until they say 'no' > 5 times before giving up" syndrome. > > Home improvement / chimney cleaners / etc. > > "I rent." > > Charities / etc. > > "I never give to any charity that calls me at home." [snip some other good ones] Here's one I use for sales slimes: Sure, just a moment while I get your credit card number. Will that be Visa, MasterCard, or AmericanExpress? [sputtering or stunned silence] I need some way to bill for my consulting time, if I'm going to analyze and critique your sales approach. It's only $150 per hour, one hour minimum. Now, how will you be paying for my time? -- Don Wannit A paid SpamCop user since 1999 From me at privacy.net Tue May 2 01:32:54 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 2 00:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" | > You didn't see my last kidney stone. | | Unless it was 9 lbs and 22 inches long, I won't be impressed...... The exit path was a LOT smaller. From me at privacy.net Tue May 2 01:33:32 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 2 00:40:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So here's a way to reverse the flow of illegal immigration References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B6899A23026sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... | "Heidi" wrote in | news:e313o1$up4$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > There are lot of empty homes down there, we can fill 'em all up! | > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR20060 | > 42900421.html | | | LOL yeah, it may get rid of some undesirables. Didn't work on our esteamed president. From me at privacy.net Tue May 2 01:35:22 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 2 01:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97B68C9609925sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... | "indigo" wrote in | news:e353u4$2j7$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > Two replaced shifters in two years? Sounds like a pretty crappy bike | > to me.....hell, my old Schwinn 10-speed still works fine, and I bought | > that thing in 1977! Course it's stuck in the basement right now with | > two flat tires, and it's too much of a PITA to carry it up and down | > the stairs to use it on any kind of regular basis. If I had a garage | > things would be different. | > | > | > | | I daresay if you rode 2000+ miles a year on it things would have worn out | long ago the one I had in school got 40-50 miles per day for ~ 8 years. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 2 15:16:30 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue May 2 01:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Is this for real? > > Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet as we know > it. Internet providers like AT&T and Verizon are lobbying Congress hard to gut > Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment and the key to Internet freedom. > Net Neutrality prevents AT&T from choosing which websites open most easily for you > based on which site pays AT&T more. So Amazon doesn't have to outbid Barnes & Noble > for the right to work more properly on your computer. > Many members of Congress take campaign contributions from these companies, and they > don't think the public are paying attention to this issue. Let's show them we care - > please sign this petition today. > > > > http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2 This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'. Use this link to go to a neutral page http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/index.html From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 08:51:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 07:55:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > JohnL wrote: > > "DougW" wrote in > > news:e367um$r79$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > >> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0000796.html > > > > ow, ow, OW!!!! > > piece of cake, so long as its under 7lbs One wonders if you actually LOOKED at that comic...... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 08:54:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 07:55:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | > Might look into a 'trigger point' massage. Make SURE the person > giving you the massage KNOWS what they are doing else you're going to > be grabbing some ceiling tiles. I did see someone for a treatment like that while recovering from my neck surgery, forget what the name of it is, but it's based on trigger points to get specific muscles to relax and stop spasming. Worked great temporarily. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 08:56:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 08:00:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Patto wrote: > > > > > > http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2 > > This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'. Huh. Wonder who that is? ;-) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue May 2 13:29:11 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue May 2 08:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: bloody nerve! References: Message-ID: indigo on 01/05/2006 wrote: >Old news....do you know how many parking fines are owed to NYC from illegal >parking by diplomats stationed at the UN? It's outrageous, and no one can >do >a damn thing about it. You'd think a parking warden (or whatever they're called in the US) would know better than to waste time trying to put a ticket on a car with diplomatic plates. Same over here in the UK. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue May 2 13:31:09 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue May 2 08:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 01/05/2006 wrote: >All those illegal alien truckdrivers must not have shown up for work >today. Such a >nice thought, going back to no gas, what's next, rationing? No, filthy hotels with no services due to clamp-down on illegal aliens. :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue May 2 13:33:51 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue May 2 08:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Technomage Hawke on 01/05/2006 wrote: >well, there is one form of rationing that will work. its called "market >price". if the price goes up (say $5.00/gallon), the folks will bitch more, >but buy less..... It's over ?5 per gallon in many parts of the UK now and it doesn't work. Still the same amount of school-run-mums driving their kids a few hundred yards to school. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue May 2 13:35:23 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue May 2 08:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 01/05/2006 wrote: >Hm. I could have sworn my sister said they corrected one of her eyes one >way and >they other another way, maybe it's middle distance vision or something. Sounds like they've given her cross-eyes. Did they do it in the UK? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue May 2 13:37:59 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue May 2 08:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 01/05/2006 wrote: >No, I usually use my clothes....something soft like my sweater. Toast crumbs on the sweater don't help. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 09:56:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 2 09:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Texas Ranch House Message-ID: Anyone watching? Shaping up to be a pretty good series, although after listening to the people who made Colonial House, the show is edited in a very skewed way to "make" a story, can't always believe what you see. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 09:57:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 2 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-92E3AD.08560702052006@frylock.local... > > Well, still no gas (at that station) today. Any more theories? > Maybe they just can't afford it, are they a small station? There are some smaller station owners who are just shutting off their pumps until the price goes down. Ours went down 2 cents overnight. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 10:14:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 2 09:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:e37jma$noq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Sounds like they've given her cross-eyes. Did they do it in the UK? No, and she's not cross-eyed either. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 10:48:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 2 09:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-8EAA71.09421502052006@frylock.local... > It's a 7-11, I suppose I should drive by the others in town to see if > they're also out of gas. Or you could go in and just ask them? From me at privacy.net Tue May 2 11:18:30 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 2 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-92E3AD.08560702052006@frylock.local... | In article , | "indigo" wrote: | | > Probably cleaning out the tanks to switch from MTBE to ethanol gas. Every | > station in the country had to shut down for at least one day to do this. | | Well, still no gas (at that station) today. Any more theories? Perhaps they could not afford to pay for the gas delivery (COD for independants) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 11:24:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 10:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > Probably cleaning out the tanks to switch from MTBE to ethanol gas. > > Every station in the country had to shut down for at least one day > > to do this. > > Well, still no gas (at that station) today. Any more theories? Eh, uh, erm.....the distributor ran out of ethanol? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 11:28:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 10:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > > > Not true in certain parts of Asia and Africa, Charles......it's a > > serious problem. And de-salination plants don't help landlocked > > countries....... > > The comment appears more general than that, frankly. I've read that besides terrorist reasons (or ethnic cleansing stuff) the next war will likely be fought over water resources. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:44:09 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Tue May 2 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Chris Wright wrote: >> JohnL wrote: >>> "DougW" wrote in >>> news:e367um$r79$1@news.spamcop.net: >>> >>>> http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/0000796.html >>> ow, ow, OW!!!! >> piece of cake, so long as its under 7lbs > > One wonders if you actually LOOKED at that comic...... > > Yeah I did... i was kidding.... If I could really pee a 7lb kid, I'd be in a freak show. (Correction, I'd be in a 'different' freak show to the one I'm in now) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:49:40 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Tue May 2 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sunglasses help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:e37jma$noq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Sounds like they've given her cross-eyes. Did they do it in the UK? > > No, and she's not cross-eyed either. > > And I bet she's not called Clarence either From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 2 10:01:34 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Tue May 2 11:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:e3632l$nq6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns97B68AB4FA104sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... >> >> Bro in law on Long Island has VOIP via Comcast or Time Warner, I forget >> which. It's alright but not great and I believe if there's a power outage >> you may be SOL. > > .......or a cable outage..... Hmm, maybe it is not so great after all. I believe I will keep digging for more pros and cons, and in the meantime I will keep the qwest, although I may just cut the caller ID. After all, if I am not happy with what the caller has to offer, I can always hang up, right? Rude, but effective, and may even discourage some callers more than ignoring them via caller ID. Peace, - Maggie's Mom. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 12:10:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 2 11:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Maggie's Mom" wrote in message news:e37s8o$t8b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hmm, maybe it is not so great after all. I believe I will keep digging for > more pros and cons, and in the meantime I will keep the qwest, although I > may just cut the caller ID. After all, if I am not happy with what the > caller has to offer, I can always hang up, right? Rude, but effective, and > may even discourage some callers more than ignoring them via caller ID. > On the odd times when the cable goes out but you still have power, you'd still have no phone, which would make me nervous. I refuse to pay for Caller ID, I have an answering machine and I screen all my calls, usually if it's a marketer (and I'm on the DNC list) as soon as they get the machine they hang up, otherwise if I want to talk to the person I pick up, if I don't, I don't. You are on the Do Not Call list, aren't you? From me at privacy.net Tue May 2 12:13:59 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 2 11:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Maggie's Mom" wrote in message news:e37s8o$t8b$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Heidi" wrote in message | news:e3632l$nq6$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message | > news:Xns97B68AB4FA104sylvesterthekat@216.154.195.61... | >> | >> Bro in law on Long Island has VOIP via Comcast or Time Warner, I forget | >> which. It's alright but not great and I believe if there's a power outage | >> you may be SOL. | > | > .......or a cable outage..... | | | Hmm, maybe it is not so great after all. I believe I will keep digging for | more pros and cons, and in the meantime I will keep the qwest, although I | may just cut the caller ID. After all, if I am not happy with what the | caller has to offer, I can always hang up, right? Rude, but effective, and | may even discourage some callers more than ignoring them via caller ID. | | I've not found caller ID to be useful as more often then not it's inaccurate. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 2 12:33:19 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Tue May 2 14:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Telemarketers... Message-ID: http://www.junkbusters.com/self.html#telemarketing (Alas, the advice about spam on the same site is dimwitted...) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 16:50:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Well, I've read that here, now, twice. Both times recently. That > doesn't mean anything. And what "next war"? What does that mean? > On what level? World war? The next war. Sheesh. Bah! Look at it this way -- MD and VA already went all the way to the USSC to argue how much water each state was allowed to take from the Potomac River. What do you think would happen between two Sub-Saharan countries run by warlord dictators (like most of them are) that share a river as a border if it starts to go dry because one country is taking too much water from it? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 16:52:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 15:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > On the odd times when the cable goes out but you still have power, > you'd still have no phone, which would make me nervous. I refuse to > pay for Caller ID, I have an answering machine and I screen all my > calls, usually if it's a marketer (and I'm on the DNC list) as soon > as they get the machine they hang up, otherwise if I want to talk to > the person I pick up, if I don't, I don't. Doesn't work for someone with a bigger living space than you have. I'm not about to run upstairs or down the hallway so I can hear who's on the answering machine. Call me lazy if you want, but I have caller ID phones every place I have a phone in my house. They're so cheap now anyway (and what's CID cost, $5 a month?) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 2 14:55:42 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Tue May 2 16:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e37t0g$tm6$1@news.spamcop.net... You are on the Do Not Call list, > aren't you? I sure am. I was on it about 6 months before it went into effect. Same with state list. It doesn't work on politicians, though :o( Peace, - Maggie's Mom. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 20:33:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 2 19:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Wow... Message-ID: The plagiarism just doesn't stop - now she's accused of ripping off a third book - canceled her book deal too, hope she hasn't spent the money yet..... she certainly worked very hard doing all that copying. http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/feeds/ap/2006/05/02/ap2715372.html The Harvard Crimson, alerted by reader e-mails, reported Tuesday on its Web site that "Opal Mehta" contained passages similar to Meg Cabot's 2000 novel, "The Princess Diaries." The New York Times also reported comparable material in Viswanathan's novel and Sophie Kinsella's "Can You Keep a Secret?" In Cabot's "The Princess Diaries," published by HarperCollins, the following passage appears on page 12: "There isn't a single inch of me that hasn't been pinched, cut, filed, painted, sloughed, blown dry, or moisturized. ... Because I don't look a thing like Mia Thermopolis. Mia Thermopolis never had fingernails. Mia Thermopolis never had blond highlights." In Viswanathan's book, page 59 reads: "Every inch of me had been cut, filed, steamed, exfoliated, polished, painted, or moisturized. I didn't look a thing like Opal Mehta. Opal Mehta didn't own five pairs of shoes so expensive they could have been traded in for a small sailboat." From dfmanno at mail.com Tue May 2 22:03:02 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue May 2 21:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: American Flag flown upside down under Mexican flag in Montebello References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > > I had a stretch recently where I would get severely out of breath > > following even the slightest exertion, wheezing and gasping for air, > > with some dizziness or lightheadedness. They ruled out cardiac > > causes, and decided that it was either second-hand smoke (I had been > > allowing my aide to smoke), a drug side effect, or both. > > Interesting.....I was on percocet for several weeks recently, I got severely > out of breath from climbing just one set of stairs slowly, got a little > dizzy with more exertion. Stopped taking them last week. On Tuesday I played > softball and hit a triple. When I pulled up at 3rd base I wasn't even > breathing hard, and I was motoring around the bases. Guess the opiate was > depressing my lung function? Could the same thing be happening to you? Probably not. The breathing problem started when I was put on a beta blocker (anti-hypertensive). When I was switched to a different beta blocker known to have a lesser impact on the lungs, the problem subsided. I've been on the Vikes for a while with no ill effect, so I don't think it's the painkiller. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst. (Alfred Lubrano) From dfmanno at mail.com Tue May 2 22:05:20 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue May 2 21:05:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: American Flag flown upside down under Mexican flag in Montebello References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > Could be a temporary need and once the heart gets the rest it needs you can > go back to room air. BTDT Yeah, that's what my nurse-practitioner told me. So I agreed to the O2, but I reserve the right not to like it. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst. (Alfred Lubrano) From dfmanno at mail.com Tue May 2 22:09:17 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue May 2 21:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Where is everyone? References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > > > Have you seen the new ads for Celebrex? They begin with a warning: > > "Important Information: Celebrex may increase the chance of a heart > > attack or stroke that can lead to death." > > No, I rarely see TV ads these days. I thought you didn't have a TV? I was quoting the N.Y. Times. But I now have a TV. A newsgroup friend (not in this NG) went out and bought me a brand new TV a few months ago. > > I'll take my chances with the arthritis pain, thank you very much. > > I dunno, if a pain is bad enough. They don't say what the percentage risk > is of getting those side effects. If it was really bad, the drug would not > have been approved/would be withdrawn. I daresay there are all sorts of > side effects from any of the more serious painkillers. You just have to > make a decision based on what you're willing to endure. Given the cardiac risk factors I have, any risk from the COX-2 inhibitors is too high. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst. (Alfred Lubrano) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed May 3 02:11:44 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue May 2 21:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-12C466.21030202052006@news.cesmail.net: > I've been on the Vikes for a while with no ill effect, so I don't > think it's the painkiller. Ok, maybe a dumb question here but.... Why do people like all kinds of pain killers that affect other parts of the body. My S.O. was on Darvon, codeine and other assorted pain meds over the past decade, which in turn messed up her stomach, gave her severe heartburn, etc. Now she's on Morphine, which while it's addicting, it (FWIH) diesn't 'hurt' the other organs of the body. Why is Morphine seen as such a "bad" drug? I just don't see it that way at all. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 23:14:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 2 22:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97B7C345B37EEinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > Ok, maybe a dumb question here but.... > > Why do people like all kinds of pain killers that affect other parts of the > body. > > My S.O. was on Darvon, codeine and other assorted pain meds over the past > decade, which in turn messed up her stomach, gave her severe heartburn, > etc. > Now she's on Morphine, which while it's addicting, it (FWIH) diesn't > 'hurt' the other organs of the body. > Why is Morphine seen as such a "bad" drug? I just don't see it that way at > all. I don't understand the big deal over vicodin or perocet, I've never felt any kind of addiction when I take them, and the vicodin was pretty much for two weeks straight with my knee, its the only thing that takes away my pain, quite lovely, I think. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed May 3 03:31:35 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue May 2 22:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:e3945e$muq$1@news.spamcop.net: > I don't understand the big deal over vicodin or perocet, I've never > felt any kind of addiction when I take them, and the vicodin was > pretty much for two weeks straight with my knee, its the only thing > that takes away my pain, quite lovely, I think. > Well my S.O. has been on Morphine for over 2 1/2 years now. When she went thru the reduction last year from over 1200 Mg/day to around 400 Mg/day, she didn't have any severe withdrawal symptoms. Oh a little at first, not sleeping well and such, but nothing "bad". Since her surgery last week, she's back up to around 600, but as soon as the pain lessens (hopefully someday soon), she'll be dropping the doseage, and trying to get way down. But with all the pain she's having now, it doesn't look good for a big reduction real soon. Saying all that, if she was on most other drugs, I shudder to think what could be happenning to the rest of her organs right now. From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Wed May 3 14:48:30 2006 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Wed May 3 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! Message-ID: So Nintendo has decided to call its next console Wii. Apparently the point is: "Wii sounds like 'we,' which emphasizes that the console is for everyone. Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii Personally, the first I heard of the new name was in the toilet humour on the letters page of GameCentral (part of UK Teletext for those who are wondering) over the last few days. What do you people out there think to the new name? Stewart. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/M d- s:-@ C++@ a->--- UB@ P+ L E@ W++@ N+++ o K-@ w++@ O? M V? PS- PE- Y? PGP- t- 5? X? R b DI? D G e++++ h-- r-- !y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 09:53:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 08:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] CRAP! Message-ID: Just got my new blood tests, and I think they ran the wrong frigging test again! They ran the Lyme Ab/Western Blot IgG/IgM Ab test and it came back negative. This is the same test that the last infectious disease guy ran that came back negative! There are no "bands" of antibodies like there were on my synovial fluid test results. *sigh*.....I see the new infectious disease guy tomorrow morning, I hope HE knows what the hell he's doing! I am DEFINITELY NOT CURED, I still am having symptoms. For christs sake, I missed a day and a half of work last week from this goddamn disease! Negative MY ASS!! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:07:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 3 09:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3a94p$b08$1@news.spamcop.net... > Just got my new blood tests, and I think they ran the wrong frigging test > again! They ran the Lyme Ab/Western Blot IgG/IgM Ab test and it came back > negative. This is the same test that the last infectious disease guy ran > that came back negative! There are no "bands" of antibodies like there were > on my synovial fluid test results. *sigh*.....I see the new infectious > disease guy tomorrow morning, I hope HE knows what the hell he's doing! I am > DEFINITELY NOT CURED, I still am having symptoms. For christs sake, I missed > a day and a half of work last week from this goddamn disease! Negative MY > ASS!! They are negative because they test for antibodies in the blood - those are of absolutely no use if you're currently being treated for the infection, and it doesn't mean that it's "gone". What they need to do for followup is another Western Blot test like they did on the synovial fluid and insist that they do a CD-57 panel. That's why I fought to get a Western Blot, my antibody tests would NEVER be positive unless I was bitten again. You need to do your homework and present all this stuff to him. http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/#test Best tests: Western Blot; PCR (blood, urine, cerebral spinal fluid); urine antigen; DOT assay. Worthless Tests: ELISA and EIA. Many county health and other labs will only do an ELISA and refuse to do any other testing if the ELISA is negative. Since the ELISA is practically always negative, even when the WB, PCR, etc., tests are positive, patients whose doctors only use the ELISA who don't fight for the WB and other testing are not getting diagnosed properly. Patients not diagnosed properly are most likely to end up with chronic Lyme which is much more difficult to treat, taking much longer and far more drugs to treat, and may never be fully resolved. In other words, by not testing properly and jumping on immediate treatment of the length of time and doses needed to stop Borrelia in its tracks, the public health departments, AMA, CDC, and the doctors and insurance companies that follow their recommendations, have doomed these patients to a life of permanently impaired health, most of whom will be permanently disabled as a result. Related Articles Reasons For Seronegative [=False Negative] Lyme Test Results 1. Antibodies against Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) are present, but the laboratory is unable to detect them. 2. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is currently on, or has recently taken, antibiotics. The antibacterial effect of antibiotics can reduce the body's production of antibodies. 3. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is currently on or has previously taken anti-inflammatory steroidal drugs These can suppress a person's immune system, thus reducing or preventing an antibody response. 4. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient's antibodies may be bound with the bacteria with not enough free antibodies available for testing. For this reason, some of the worst cases of Lyme disease test negative -- too much bacteria for the immune system to handle. 5. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient could be immunosuppressed for a number of other reasons, and the immune system is not reacting to the bacteria. 6. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the bacteria has changed its makeup (antigenic shift) limiting recognition by the patient's immune system. 7. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient's immune response has not been stimulated to produce antibodies, i.e., the blood test is taken too soon after the tick-bite (8-6 weeks). Please do not interpret this statement as implying that you should wait for a positive test to begin treatment. 8. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the laboratory has raised its cutoff too high. 9. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is reacting to the Lyme bacteria, but is not producing the "right" bands to be considered positive. http://www.ilads.org/files/burrascano_0905.pdf It has been observed that symptoms will flare in cycles every four weeks. It is thought that this reflects the organism’s cell cycle, with the growth phase occurring once per month (intermittent growth is common in Borrelia species). As antibiotics will only kill bacteria during their growth phase, therapy is designed to bracket at least one whole generation cycle. This is why the minimum treatment duration should be at least four weeks. If the antibiotics are working, over time these flares will lessen in severity and duration. The very occurrence of ongoing monthly cycles indicates that living organisms are still present and that antibiotics should be continued. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:14:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 09:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: American Flag flown upside down under Mexican flag in Montebello References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > Probably not. The breathing problem started when I was put on a beta > blocker (anti-hypertensive). When I was switched to a different beta > blocker known to have a lesser impact on the lungs, the problem > subsided. > If the problem subsided, then, well....what's the problem? Did it come back? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:18:59 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 09:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > My S.O. was on Darvon, codeine and other assorted pain meds over the > past decade, which in turn messed up her stomach, gave her severe > heartburn, etc. > Now she's on Morphine, which while it's addicting, it (FWIH) diesn't > 'hurt' the other organs of the body. > Why is Morphine seen as such a "bad" drug? I just don't see it that > way at all. I had the same problem with convincing my doctor to give me a maintainance dose of valium, he initially resisted because "it's addictive". Hey Einstein, my lower back disk problem isn't ever going to fix itself, I'll have those pain issues for the rest of my life, so WHO CARES if it's addictive!? As far as the morpine, the feds have doctors here scared sh*tless about being prosecuted for improper prescriptions of opiates. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:23:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3a94p$b08$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Just got my new blood tests, and I think they ran the wrong > > frigging test again! They ran the Lyme Ab/Western Blot IgG/IgM Ab > > test and it came back negative. This is the same test that the last > > They are negative because they test for antibodies in the blood - > those are of absolutely no use if you're currently being treated for > the infection, and it doesn't mean that it's "gone". What they need > to do for followup is another Western Blot test like they did on the > synovial fluid and insist that they do a CD-57 panel. That's why I > fought to get a Western Blot, my antibody tests would NEVER be > positive unless I was bitten again. But the paperwork says the DID do a western blot. I'm confused....why is the western blot test results for synovial fluid presented differently than the blood test? Are there more than one kind of western blot tests? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed May 3 14:27:29 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed May 3 09:30:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e3aak3$bpt$1@news.spamcop.net: > As far as the morpine, the feds have doctors here scared > sh*tless about being prosecuted for improper prescriptions of opiates. ...and that's exactly the problem up here! At my S.O.'s clinic there are 7 doctors and 3 of them have been restricted in prescribing Morphine due to lack of proper controls in the past. My S.O.'s doctor really monitors her use of the drug and won't prescribe any more than the exact doseage over a month's period. If she takes too make he really grills her. Which is a good thing all in all. I give her the meds, so they are accurate, but for people who take them on their own, there is a real good possibility that they would take too much at times because of the pain. When she goes over the doseage, we mark it down with the reason for doing it and that works fine. I wish there was something else she could take, but it seems everything else that would work for her has more physical side effects. The worst Morphine does (to ehr at least) is extreme constipation, which she has to take the highest doseage of Senokot S. But it could be worse. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:25:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 3 09:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3aash$c2c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > But the paperwork says the DID do a western blot. I'm confused....why is the > western blot test results for synovial fluid presented differently than the > blood test? Are there more than one kind of western blot tests? Did you get a copy of the test they just did, which shows what bands were tested for? You should get one, and read this: http://tinyurl.com/qmp7q The first Lyme test looks for antibodies in the blood, the test on synovial fluid is different, I got reports of actual bands that I tested postive for, the blood test was for IgG/IgM antibodies and was just a range, and was negative. You're on antibiotics so it would make sense that there would be nothing in your blood tests, that doesn't mean it's not disseminated to your tissues and hiding from the immune system and not creating antibody response. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:48:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3aash$c2c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > But the paperwork says the DID do a western blot. I'm > > confused....why is the western blot test results for synovial fluid > > presented differently than the blood test? Are there more than one > > kind of western blot tests? > > Did you get a copy of the test they just did, which shows what bands > were tested for? You should get one, and read this: > http://tinyurl.com/qmp7q Nope, no bands are shown on the lab report, unlike my synovial fluid test results. > > , the test on > synovial fluid is different, I got reports of actual bands that I > tested postive for, Same here the blood test was for IgG/IgM antibodies and was > just a range, and was negative. Same here. And so was the first test. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:54:34 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > I wish there was something else she could take, but it seems > everything else that would work for her has more physical side > effects. > The worst Morphine does (to ehr at least) is extreme constipation, > which she has to take the highest doseage of Senokot S. But it could > be worse. Same here.Opiates relieve my knee and joint pain but give me constipation. I tried taking Advil again last week, got severe IBS. Tried taking Aleve a few days later, got nauseaus. So I'm screwed, those over the counter drugs DO relieve my pain somewhat but my digestive system won't tolerate them anymore, at least right now :-( And the Tramadol doesn't work anywhere near as well as Percs, or even Advil for that matter. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 10:53:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 3 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3acbo$d0k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Nope, no bands are shown on the lab report, unlike my synovial fluid test > results. Did it just give a range, <.91 is negative? If so they've just done the blood antibody test again, and it's useless if you've been on antibiotics. If your first blood antibody test was negative, what the fuck did they do that again for? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 12:39:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 3 11:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3acbo$d0k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Nope, no bands are shown on the lab report, unlike my synovial > > fluid test results. > > Did it just give a range, <.91 is negative? Yes. If so they've just done > the blood antibody test again, and it's useless if you've been on > antibiotics. If your first blood antibody test was negative, what > the fuck did they do that again for? You got me! I will be addressing this with the new doctor tomorrow (along with other stuff). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 14:44:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 3 13:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3aiql$g7f$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You got me! I will be addressing this with the new doctor tomorrow (along > with other stuff). See, this just illustrates the point I've been trying to make that you've been balking about, that you have to know what you're talking about and be proactive, get copies of your test and do the homework so you can ask questions and more important, PRESENT THEM WITH THE FACTS IN WRITING. Ask why they bothered to do a test that's NOT effective for late stage Lyme. If you just sit there and take everything they dish out as gospel, you're going to end up very sick and very disappointed. It's shocking how many of them don't know shit from shinola, especially about Lyme, if it doesn't say positive or negative on a lab test, that's as far as they go. You were dx'd totally by accident, you'd still be suffering if that chance lab test hadn't shown Lyme, not one person who should have caught it did. Shameful...... You should bring him the CD57 info and insist that he do that test, and do it again after a course of treatment, that's how progress is measured. I'm seeing my GP tomorrow, and I'm taking him a packet of info, my lab tests, all the info explaining the signficance of the CD57 panel (my below normal numbers equal those of their case study patient, while she was relapsing, and the only thing known to depress those killer cells is borreliosis), all the Journal of Microbiolgy articles talking about the two most specific bands for Lyme, both of which I tested postive for, why the CDC criteria is flawed, and I printed out Burrascano's 2005 Treatment Guidelines. He's usually receptive to stuff I bring, we'll see if he will treat outside the box. Lyme is supposed to be a differential diagnosis, NOT dependent on a lab test, most of which are flawed and inaccurate, but few doctors will DX without a positive antibody test. Total bullshit. From me at privacy.net Wed May 3 16:23:46 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Wed May 3 15:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e38d5h$9v9$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Charles wrote: | > | > Well, I've read that here, now, twice. Both times recently. That | > doesn't mean anything. And what "next war"? What does that mean? | > On what level? World war? The next war. Sheesh. Bah! | | Look at it this way -- MD and VA already went all the way to the USSC to | argue how much water each state was allowed to take from the Potomac River. | What do you think would happen between two Sub-Saharan countries run by | warlord dictators (like most of them are) that share a river as a border if | it starts to go dry because one country is taking too much water from it? Like what happend between Mexico and texas on the same issue? 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Enterprise executives quietly fret about net neutrality's future and its impact on their budgets. http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-3613-31-89-144765-424569-0-0-0-1 ========================================================= From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 00:06:00 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 3 23:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3aak3$bpt$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | JohnL wrote: | > My S.O. was on Darvon, codeine and other assorted pain meds over the | > past decade, which in turn messed up her stomach, gave her severe | > heartburn, etc. | > Now she's on Morphine, which while it's addicting, it (FWIH) diesn't | > 'hurt' the other organs of the body. | > Why is Morphine seen as such a "bad" drug? I just don't see it that | > way at all. | | I had the same problem with convincing my doctor to give me a maintainance | dose of valium, he initially resisted because "it's addictive". Hey | Einstein, my lower back disk problem isn't ever going to fix itself, I'll | have those pain issues for the rest of my life, so WHO CARES if it's | addictive!? As far as the morpine, the feds have doctors here scared | sh*tless about being prosecuted for improper prescriptions of opiates. Yea been that way for along time. When I went to the UT med school pain clinic they told (not warned but told) me that even if they could find the right mix of drugs I'd play hell getting scripts. Even with the warning and the UT med school the DEA were poking around asking questions about me and mine. From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 00:08:19 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 3 23:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97B84BDF91197innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "indigo" wrote in news:e3aak3$bpt$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > As far as the morpine, the feds have doctors here scared | > sh*tless about being prosecuted for improper prescriptions of opiates. | | ...and that's exactly the problem up here! | | At my S.O.'s clinic there are 7 doctors and 3 of them have been restricted | in prescribing Morphine due to lack of proper controls in the past. | My S.O.'s doctor really monitors her use of the drug and won't prescribe | any more than the exact doseage over a month's period. If she takes too | make he really grills her. Which is a good thing all in all. I give her the | meds, so they are accurate, but for people who take them on their own, | there is a real good possibility that they would take too much at times | because of the pain. When she goes over the doseage, we mark it down with | the reason for doing it and that works fine. | | I wish there was something else she could take, but it seems everything | else that would work for her has more physical side effects. | The worst Morphine does (to ehr at least) is extreme constipation, which | she has to take the highest dosage of Senokot S. But it could be worse. Enough RX to stop my pain makes me into a zombie. I refuse to live like that so I've learned to deal with the pain and my family has learned to deal with my being a (very) grumpy old man. From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 00:10:10 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 3 23:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3acmq$d6r$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | JohnL wrote: | > I wish there was something else she could take, but it seems | > everything else that would work for her has more physical side | > effects. | > The worst Morphine does (to ehr at least) is extreme constipation, | > which she has to take the highest doseage of Senokot S. But it could | > be worse. | | Same here.Opiates relieve my knee and joint pain but give me constipation. I | tried taking Advil again last week, got severe IBS. Tried taking Aleve a few | days later, got nauseaus. So I'm screwed, those over the counter drugs DO | relieve my pain somewhat but my digestive system won't tolerate them | anymore, at least right now :-( And the Tramadol doesn't work anywhere near | as well as Percs, or even Advil for that matter. Try Senecotte (spl?) for the constipation. It's not a drug as such but an effective stool softener. Like they say in the commercal 'this too will pass' From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 4 04:55:53 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 4 00:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3bsju$9dd$3@news.spamcop.net: > Try Senecotte (spl?) for the constipation. It's not a drug as such > but an effective stool softener. Senokot S is what you mean. ;-) My S.O. has been taking 8 of them every day for the past two years. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 4 04:57:56 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 4 00:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3bsju$9dd$2@news.spamcop.net: > Enough RX to stop my pain makes me into a zombie. I refuse to live > like that so I've learned to deal with the pain and my family has > learned to deal with my being a (very) grumpy old man. She hasn't found a level that would take her pain away, even when last year she was well over 1,000 MG/day. Now, even just after having surgery, she's staying below 600 MG/day and trying to go lower, even tho her pain levels are staying way about a 7 most of the time. From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 09:52:22 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 4 08:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | > Enough RX to stop my pain makes me into a zombie. I refuse to live | > like that so I've learned to deal with the pain and my family has | > learned to deal with my being a (very) grumpy old man. | | She hasn't found a level that would take her pain away, even when last year | she was well over 1,000 MG/day. | Now, even just after having surgery, she's staying below 600 MG/day and | trying to go lower, even tho her pain levels are staying way about a 7 most | of the time. Won't make the pain better but you might consider small nonsense gifts ($1-2 from the dollar store) at odd intervals. My grand kids do this for me when they sense I've an off few days. Like I said does nothing for the pain but the warm fuzzes make it a bit more tolerable. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 4 15:09:15 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 4 10:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3ctik$rp0$1@news.spamcop.net: > Won't make the pain better but you might consider small nonsense gifts > ($1-2 from the dollar store) at odd intervals. My grand kids do this > for me when they sense I've an off few days. Like I said does nothing > for the pain but the warm fuzzes make it a bit more tolerable. Oh, I've been all over that. ;-) Flowers a few times a week, jewelry once a week or more, little funny things at different times, etc. It does help at times. Been doing this for years now. She's got so many earrings that she can wear different sets (two pair at a time) every day for well over 2 months or so. Seems women can never get enough jewelry. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 12:38:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 4 11:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in > news:e3bsju$9dd$3@news.spamcop.net: > > > Try Senecotte (spl?) for the constipation. It's not a drug as such > > but an effective stool softener. > > Senokot S is what you mean. ;-) > > My S.O. has been taking 8 of them every day for the past two years. I take some kind of laxative made by Phillips, two pills/day when I'm on the Percs works fine. Whatever is in Ex-Lax gives my horrible stomach cramps, but the Phillip's stuff (docusate sodium) is painless. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 4 17:34:00 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 4 12:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e3d75d$1tf$1@news.spamcop.net: > I take some kind of laxative made by Phillips, two pills/day when I'm > on the Percs works fine. Whatever is in Ex-Lax gives my horrible > stomach cramps, but the Phillip's stuff (docusate sodium) is painless. Well, it appears that Senokot has some of the same ingredients. I know if _I_ took 8 pills a day, I cound never leave the house! ;-) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 13:21:03 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu May 4 13:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> Canopus wrote: > > Technomage Hawke on 01/05/2006 wrote: > > >well, there is one form of rationing that will work. its called "market > >price". if the price goes up (say $5.00/gallon), the folks will bitch more, > >but buy less..... > > It's over ?5 per gallon in many parts of the UK now and it doesn't work. > Still the same amount of school-run-mums driving their kids a few hundred > yards to school. ObMovieReference: "The Gods Must Be Crazy" One of the opening scenes is a woman driving her car to the end of the driveway to pick up the mail from the mailbox there, and then back up the driveway into the garage. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 13:27:32 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu May 4 13:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Is this for real? > > Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open Internet [...] Yes. See . -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu May 4 19:31:24 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu May 4 13:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e3d75d$1tf$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I take some kind of laxative made by Phillips, two pills/day when I'm >> on the Percs works fine. Whatever is in Ex-Lax gives my horrible >> stomach cramps, but the Phillip's stuff (docusate sodium) is painless. > > Well, it appears that Senokot has some of the same ingredients. > I know if _I_ took 8 pills a day, I cound never leave the house! ;-) At least not without your trusty cork... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 4 15:06:54 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Thu May 4 14:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this subject. So, uhh, what's up? Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody? Pop "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >> Is this for real? >> >> Congress is now pushing a law that would end the free and open >> Internet > [...] > > Yes. See > . > > -- > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | > | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > Don't e-mail me at: > From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 15:12:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 4 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "POP" wrote in message news:e3dfrj$9c6$1@news.spamcop.net... > No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT > seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this > subject. So, uhh, what's up? > > Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If > there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not > going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for > the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody? > > Pop I REALLY like the part about IPTV going national, instead of franchised per town - makes much more sense. http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3601406 As one committee prepares to vote on a telecom reform bill that Democrats contend lacks effective network neutrality protections, another panel opens hearings on the antitrust implications of just such a scenario. After opening statements late this afternoon, the House Commerce Committee plans a Wednesday vote on the Communications Opportunity, Promotion and Efficiency Act of 2006 (COPE). The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide support on both sides of the aisle. More controversial is network neutrality. Republicans and Democrats are sharply divided over the best course of action to ensure that broadband providers -- telephone and cable companies -- do not discriminate against delivering content. Verizon and AT&T have publicly stated they intend to charge content providers different fees based on bandwidth consumption to access consumers. Republicans see little problem with this tiered access approach and leave enforcement of network neutrality to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Democrats want the FCC's network neutrality principles, which have no force of law, turned into statutory law. Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) is expected to propose an amendment to COPE to do just that. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 4 19:23:37 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 4 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote in news:e3ddp7$5fr$1 @news.spamcop.net: > JohnL wrote: >> Well, it appears that Senokot has some of the same ingredients. >> I know if _I_ took 8 pills a day, I cound never leave the house! ;-) > > At least not without your trusty cork... > Depends. ;-) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu May 4 19:28:09 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu May 4 14:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody on 04/05/2006 wrote: >>It's over ?5 per gallon in many parts of the UK now and it doesn't work. >>Still the same amount of school-run-mums driving their kids a few hundred >>yards to school. > >ObMovieReference: > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > One of the opening scenes is a woman driving her car to the end of > the driveway to pick up the mail from the mailbox there, and then > back up the driveway into the garage. LOL...I haven't seen it that bad, but, I drive a school bus and the chaos outside schools with people picking up their kids, many of them not seeming able to drive or park, is amazing. On quite a few occasions I've driven behind someone from the school pick-up only to see them turn into a cul de sac 100 yards from the school. Most don't even seem to drive far enough to even warm up their engine giving rise to even more pollution from cold catalytic converters and a far greater wastage of fuel. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 17:08:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 4 16:10:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > ObMovieReference: > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > One of the opening scenes is a woman driving her car to the end of > the driveway to pick up the mail from the mailbox there, and then > back up the driveway into the garage. > Great movie! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 17:14:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 4 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV > providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing > competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide > support on both sides of the aisle. Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing millions of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a bug. Even states and individual counties will be against this since they negotiate free channels to carry local programming as part of their contracts with the cable companies. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu May 4 22:15:48 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu May 4 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in news:e3ddp7$5fr$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> JohnL wrote: >>> Well, it appears that Senokot has some of the same ingredients. >>> I know if _I_ took 8 pills a day, I cound never leave the house! ;-) >> At least not without your trusty cork... >> > > Depends. ;-) lol From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:25:06 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! References: Message-ID: Stewart Gordon wrote in news:e3a8qu$apc$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > What do you people out there think to the new name? > > Stewart. > I don't know what this new name really means.. at least with the old one "Revolution" one can get a picture. The name "Wii" sounds like the name of a bunny or a hamster. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:27:22 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:30:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e37hd8$mfb$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Patto wrote: >> > >> > >> > > http://civic.moveon.org/save_the_internet/?id=7450-6266401-Ia4AThVW9XH2 > Xev4UuzIbQ&t=2 >> >> This link signs-in to a user with the name 'Heidi Hutchinson'. > > Huh. Wonder who that is? ;-) > > > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:32:17 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e3dnat$ev0$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV >> providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing >> competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide >> support on both sides of the aisle. > > Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing > millions of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a > bug. Even states and individual counties will be against this since > they negotiate free channels to carry local programming as part of > their contracts with the cable companies. > > > So basicly, it'll be like a fee on top of a fee. You pay big $$$ for broadband, but you still end up with throughput like a dialup connection unless you pay ANOTHER fee to use the broadband speeds that you already pay for. But then again, this does sort of sound like that old proposal to meter the Internet. (Charge per the KB downloaded or uploaded.) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 17:29:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 4 16:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns97B988E59EE9tinlc@216.154.195.61... > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:37:32 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote in news:ozchzhq02- F8EE05.10033702052006@frylock.local: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> Or you could go in and just ask them? > > Get out of the car? are you mad?!? ;) > Seems that they may be waiting for the tanker truck. The tankers fill the big name brand stations first, then whatever is left goes to the Independents. Either case, I'm sure that the 7-11 guys are not happy about this either. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu May 4 17:39:47 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu May 4 16:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:e3a8qu$apc$1@news.spamcop.net... > So Nintendo has decided to call its next console Wii. Apparently the > point is: > > "Wii sounds like 'we,' which emphasizes that the console is for everyone. > Wii can easily be remembered by people around the world, no matter what > language they speak. No confusion. No need to abbreviate. Just Wii." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii > > Personally, the first I heard of the new name was in the toilet humour on > the letters page of GameCentral (part of UK Teletext for those who are > wondering) over the last few days. > > What do you people out there think to the new name? > > Stewart. > Whee! Miss Betsy From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:42:55 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Technomage Hawke wrote in news:e35f21$9du$3@news.spamcop.net: > well, there is one form of rationing that will work. its called > "market price". if the price goes up (say $5.00/gallon), the folks > will bitch more, but buy less..... > > eventually it'll happen anyway... and then stores will quit carrying > "luxury items" and the like and soon, it'll be like WWII all over > again. > I wonder if this is the kind of the kick-in-the-ass we [tinw] needed to finally become aware that it is simply not practical to drive cars with crappy gas mileage anymore. The price ppb of oil is likely to stay high and there will be no new refining capacity in the foreseable future. I'm looking forward to either fuelcell cars or something that can run on more than one type of fuel. (Heck, my wife tends to use up quite a bit of cooking oil during her "Chinese fusion food" experiments. :-)) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:49:05 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So here's a way to reverse the flow of illegal immigration References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e35471$2qo$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Heidi wrote: >> There are lot of empty homes down there, we can fill 'em all up! >> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR20060 > 42900421.html >> >> MEXICO CITY -- Mexicans would be allowed to possess small amounts of >> cocaine, heroin, even ecstasy for their personal use under a bill >> approved by lawmakers that some worry could prove to be a lure to >> young Americans. > > I read about that the other day. Insane. I can understand > de-criminalizing mary jane, but those other drugs? That's crazy, they > KILL people! > > Seems that Fox is backing away for now and sending the bill for some rework. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002970860 _mexdrugs04.html http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2DB12F0D It appears that Fox's plan was to go after those who distribute and deal the crap rather than those who use it. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu May 4 21:50:25 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 16:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:e3dof1$fjg$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "Redstone" wrote in message > news:Xns97B988E59EE9tinlc@216.154.195.61... >> Is she a bleach blonde? :-) > > It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) > > > I see.. kind of like a "goldilocks" kindathing, eh? LOL! :-D From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 17:45:49 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 16:55:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: (Change Subject) Pain Killers References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Chris Wright > >> JohnL wrote: >>> Well, it appears that Senokot has some of the same ingredients. >>> I know if _I_ took 8 pills a day, I cound never leave the house! ;-) >> At least not without your trusty cork... >> > > Depends. ;-) That's just another load of sh|t From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 17:47:22 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 16:55:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3dof1$fjg$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Redstone" wrote in message | news:Xns97B988E59EE9tinlc@216.154.195.61... | > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) | | It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) | /Charles Mode/ Clorine by any other name is ... whatever. /end Charles Mode/ From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 17:48:32 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 16:55:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns97B989BAB3A9Ctinlc@216.154.195.61... | "indigo" wrote in | news:e3dnat$ev0$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > | > | > Spamvireslayer wrote: | >> The centerpiece of COPE is national video franchising for IPTV | >> providers such as Verizon and AT&T. With the goal of increasing | >> competition in the pay television market, the proposal enjoys wide | >> support on both sides of the aisle. | > | > Wait until Comcast and Cox and Time-Warner lobbyists start throwing | > millions of dollars at Congress, this thing will get squashed like a | > bug. Even states and individual counties will be against this since | > they negotiate free channels to carry local programming as part of | > their contracts with the cable companies. | > | > | > | | | So basically, it'll be like a fee on top of a fee. You pay big $$$ for | broadband, but you still end up with throughput like a dialup connection | unless you pay ANOTHER fee to use the broadband speeds that you already pay | for. | | But then again, this does sort of sound like that old proposal to meter the | Internet. (Charge per the KB downloaded or uploaded.) As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential positioning/access. From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 17:52:17 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 16:55:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Redstone" <| | | > well, there is one form of rationing that will work. its called | > "market price". if the price goes up (say $5.00/gallon), the folks | > will bitch more, but buy less..... | > | > eventually it'll happen anyway... and then stores will quit carrying | > "luxury items" and the like and soon, it'll be like WWII all over | > again. | > | | I wonder if this is the kind of the kick-in-the-ass we [tinw] needed to | finally become aware that it is simply not practical to drive cars with | crappy gas mileage anymore. | | The price ppb of oil is likely to stay high and there will be no new | refining capacity in the foreseable future. | | I'm looking forward to either fuelcell cars or something that can run on | more than one type of fuel. (Heck, my wife tends to use up quite a bit of | cooking oil during her "Chinese fusion food" experiments. :-)) My kids are trying to buy another mini-van (the old one lost the xmission @ ~ 200K and it's not worth the effort to fix). Try as they might they cannot find one that will accept E85 fuel. Price to the user and cost to the company is the same but the auto manufactures are just not making them in any quantity. The big three made a big PR about E85 2-3 years back .... what happened? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 17:57:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 4 17:05:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns97B98B88143CEtinlc@216.154.195.61... > I wonder if this is the kind of the kick-in-the-ass we [tinw] needed to > finally become aware that it is simply not practical to drive cars with > crappy gas mileage anymore. > > The price ppb of oil is likely to stay high and there will be no new > refining capacity in the foreseable future. > > I'm looking forward to either fuelcell cars or something that can run on > more than one type of fuel. (Heck, my wife tends to use up quite a bit of > cooking oil during her "Chinese fusion food" experiments. :-)) Tell you what, I'd love to find a useable diesel vehicle and have Willie's Biodiesel nearby- I'd switch in a heartbeat! http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 18:15:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 4 17:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: NotMe wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:e3dof1$fjg$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > | "Redstone" wrote in message > | news:Xns97B988E59EE9tinlc@216.154.195.61... > | > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) > | > | It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) > | > /Charles Mode/ > > Clorine by any other name is ... whatever. > > /end Charles Mode/ /Charles Mode/ Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide. /end Charles Mode/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 19:55:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 4 19:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-> Pete had a Diesel Mercedes that was quite nice when I was in San Fran > Last November. It got totaled since then though. I used to process warranty claims for Mercedes (and GM), noooooo thank you.....Any of that stuff goes wrong when it's out of warranty, it's too damned expensive. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 20:10:23 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 4 19:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So here's a way to reverse the flow of illegal immigration References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message > > > It appears that Fox's plan was to go after those who distribute and deal > the crap rather than those who use it. Yeah, I call bullshit on that - he's trying to increase tourism......imagine all the spring breaks that are going to be held in Cancun now! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 4 21:17:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 4 20:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of fuel, > to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense in that? > Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. Where does it say that? It ain't foreign oil........isn't that what everyone's all cranky about? From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 20:22:48 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 20:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3dquc$ha8$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | NotMe wrote: | > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message | > news:e3dof1$fjg$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | | > | "Redstone" wrote in message | > | news:Xns97B988E59EE9tinlc@216.154.195.61... | > | > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) | > | | > | It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) | > | | > /Charles Mode/ | > | > Clorine by any other name is ... whatever. | > | > /end Charles Mode/ | | /Charles Mode/ | | Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide. | | /end Charles Mode/ | H2O3 = Cl? since when? From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 22:10:56 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 21:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97B9C83C45487TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! | | > Tell you what, I'd love to find a useable diesel vehicle and have | > Willie's Biodiesel nearby- I'd switch in a heartbeat! | > | > http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ | | Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of fuel, | to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense in that? | Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. Where did you get that idea? I can produce small quantifies (~200 gal.) in my back yard for $0.40 to $0.80 per gal. depending on how pure I want to get. Even paying the cost of vegetable oil (not food grade) and an industrial process the cost out the door is estimated at less than a dollar for a pilot plant. Some folk in Georgia are playing with Kudzu (spl?) planning on using the oil for the bio-diesel and the vine bagass(spl?) for fuel to run the steam boilers. Might add they plan on selling the excess go-gen electricity to the power companies. From me at privacy.net Thu May 4 22:13:13 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Thu May 4 21:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" | >> Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of | >> fuel, to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense | >> in that? Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. | > | > Where does it say that? It ain't foreign oil........isn't that what | > everyone's all cranky about? | | Uh. It doesn't matter that it is or isn't foreign oil if it takes more | fuel to make it than you get out of it. | | As for costing more to produce (in fuel terms) than you get in the end... | Well, wake up and smell the coffee, dude! Ethanol is great? Uh. Ethanol | is only economically viable because it is subsidized to a ridiculous | extent. And ethanol is one of the prime ingredients in, you guessed it, | biodiesel. | | But, here is an example: | http://www.springerlink.com/ | (ajf2qk55b3f0dk553azmpj55)/app/home/contribution.asp? | referrer=parent&backto=issue,6,6;journal,4,47;linkingpublicationresults,1:1 | 05547,1 | | "Ethanol production using corn grain required 29% more fossil energy than | the ethanol fuel produced. . Ethanol production using switchgrass required | 50% more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel produced. . Ethanol production | using wood biomass required 57% more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel | produced. . Biodiesel production using soybean required 27% more fossil | energy than the biodiesel fuel produced" | | Did you get that? 27% more energy to make it than you get out of it. It's | assinine that we continue to push for this kind of BS. Obviously ethanol | is doing great right now - ethanol plants are subsidized by the government. | Hmm. So, I can support my region by using taxpayer money to build huge | factories in my region. Not a bad plan except that it's just plain dumb. Might be true of corn ethanol (I have my doubts) but ethanol made from sugar cane is another matter. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri May 5 04:36:05 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 23:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So here's a way to reverse the flow of illegal immigration References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:e3e23o$leh$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Yeah, I call bullshit on that - he's trying to increase > tourism......imagine all the spring breaks that are going to be held > in Cancun now! > It would increase tourism.. but tourism of the wrong kind. You can imagine what the drug gangs would evolve into after a short period of time. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri May 5 04:39:03 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 23:40:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "NotMe" wrote in news:e3dpif$gb5$4@news.spamcop.net: > > > My kids are trying to buy another mini-van (the old one lost the > xmission @ ~ 200K and it's not worth the effort to fix). Try as they > might they cannot find one that will accept E85 fuel. Price to the > user and cost to the company is the same but the auto manufactures are > just not making them in any quantity. The big three made a big PR > about E85 2-3 years back .... what happened? > > No infrastructure. Car companies are leary of developing an alternative fuel vehicle when there are so few fuel stations to support them. Maybe they can get a mini-van and just drop a diesel engine under the hood? :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri May 5 04:40:11 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 23:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:e3e175$kv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > I used to process warranty claims for Mercedes (and GM), noooooo thank > you.....Any of that stuff goes wrong when it's out of warranty, it's too > damned expensive. > > > I think you need a Honda Civic. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri May 5 04:50:27 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 23:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns97B9D5DCEFF0ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > Non sequitur? Whatever? Pink elephant pants? > Are you sure you don't write for the Opus (i.e. Bloom County) comics? :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri May 5 04:52:17 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu May 4 23:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "NotMe" wrote in news:e3dpif$gb5$3@news.spamcop.net: > > As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential > positioning/access. > > As a whole sure.. but that in turn is pulled from the pocket of the consumer. So that is likely to mean higher prices for broadband. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Thu May 4 23:47:56 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Fri May 5 01:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... And the little piggie said "Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" all the way home! From abuse at whathostingshould.be Fri May 5 05:15:34 2006 From: abuse at whathostingshould.be (Galen) Date: Fri May 5 04:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Chinese SPAM Message-ID: I don't know but I've been responding with "I can't help you become the next Dali Lama nor can I help you escape the oppressive regimes in China so stop asking me. The People's Republic is strong and powerful and I'm a wee person so do not send me links to warez forums in exchange because I can't help you escape China." I felt bad up until the third or fourth one in an hour, not one was really a plea for help. I can't really report them because they came in via Microsoft Office's Outlook and the headers are all sorts of retarded. I wonder if that will teach them? KGIII From abuse at whathostingshould.be Fri May 5 05:20:53 2006 From: abuse at whathostingshould.be (Galen) Date: Fri May 5 04:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on toll road internet and other subjects (see item #6) References: Message-ID: In news:e3bmsn$5u5$1@news.spamcop.net, NotMe had this to say: Good magazine this week - if you can get it in print then do so. There's a few other articles that have to do with networking. KGIII From abuse at whathostingshould.be Fri May 5 05:37:05 2006 From: abuse at whathostingshould.be (Galen) Date: Fri May 5 04:40:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: In news:e3aqdo$l1k$1@news.spamcop.net, Spamvireslayer had this to say: > See, this just illustrates the point I've been trying to make that > you've been balking about, that you have to know what you're talking > about and be proactive, get copies of your test and do the homework > so you can ask questions and more important, PRESENT THEM WITH THE > FACTS IN WRITING. Ask why they bothered to do a test that's NOT > effective for late stage Lyme. If you just sit there and take > everything they dish out as gospel, you're going to end up very sick > and very disappointed. It's shocking how many of them don't know shit > from shinola, especially about Lyme, if it doesn't say positive or > negative on a lab test, that's as far as they go. You were dx'd > totally by accident, you'd still be suffering if that chance lab test > hadn't shown Lyme, not one person who should have caught it did. > Shameful...... You should bring him the CD57 info and insist that he > do that test, and do it again after a course of treatment, that's how > progress is measured. I'll feel bad until the day I die. I had a lady friend whom followed me into the woods on a trip we hadn't any business taking. She has - even this many year later, a number of symptoms such as fatigue and stiffness of joints. She has them bad enough to ensure that they have her in a wheelchair. She went with me while we stomped through the woods for a couple of days. She was, and is, a friend but a big girl who felt she couldn't tell us about the feeling like something was biting her. We were kids, she went home - this was maybe 1995 and Lyme was barely heard of in Maine - and today she's still screwed. We folks who, not for Lyme but for simplicity, swum and saw them and pulled them off. We asked and she said no and she was one of the few females there. She's been my friend since, still, and etc but, well, I'll ask - if there's a place - for her to share besides here. Since then there are two things I strongly support... Breast cancer research (I'm a guy - duh! Support that!) and awareness of Ticks. Err... My only other socially conscious thing to do is give blood. (Err... And report SPAM.) You seem impassioned. Got a URL where I can send her? It won't help me. I'm comfortable being guilty. I did tell her no - not to come with us on this trip. But no. I didn't, she didn't, no one expected her to say no. We really did NOT know and you'd be amazed (well, maybe not you) how many people still don't understand. The rest of us are fine. I'm not a doctor but she tested positive and is treated even still all these years later. She's 31 now and she's still having troubles walking all the time. It is serious enough to warrant all the attention it can get. If there's a URL where she can share her story or something I'll tell her and she probably will. KGIII From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 10:39:52 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 05:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Chinese SPAM References: Message-ID: Galen on 05/05/2006 wrote: >I don't know but I've been responding with "I can't help you become the >next Dali Lama nor can I help you escape the oppressive regimes in China >so stop asking me. The People's Republic is strong and powerful and I'm a >wee person so do not send me links to warez forums in exchange because I >can't help you escape China." > >I felt bad up until the third or fourth one in an hour, not one was really >a plea for help. I can't really report them because they came in via >Microsoft Office's Outlook and the headers are all sorts of retarded. > >I wonder if that will teach them? > >KGIII Wrong group, the "S" word is banned from being mentioned here, this is "social". Try spamcop or spamcop.help -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 10:44:49 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 05:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 04/05/2006 wrote: >Tell you what, I'd love to find a useable diesel vehicle and have Willie's >Biodiesel >nearby- I'd switch in a heartbeat! As fuel prices rose in the UK in the days when diesel was cheaper than petrol more people started converting to diesel cars. The government then increased tax on diesel and now it's more expensive than petrol. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 12:22:53 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 06:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Spamvireslayer on 04/05/2006 wrote: > >> Tell you what, I'd love to find a useable diesel vehicle and have >> Willie's Biodiesel >> nearby- I'd switch in a heartbeat! > > As fuel prices rose in the UK in the days when diesel was cheaper than > petrol more people started converting to diesel cars. The government > then increased tax on diesel and now it's more expensive than petrol. > But you get a greater MPG with diesel than you do with petrol (unless you have the 5liter turbo charged diesel tractor engine ;) ) There was a time when diesel was seen as a greener alternative to petrol so more and more people switched. And because of cheaper prices at the pumps, that made people think about changing over too. So the vehicle companies started adding turbos and 'superchargers' to get the power up to make them more attractive to the buyers, to the effect that most of those use just as much diesel as a standard petrol engine. Then it was noted that the 'old' diesel wasn't as 'green' as first thought. So now you have the new "bio diesel" on sale. A slight improvement in its 'green' factor, a slight dip in its 'mpg', but still much more cost effective that regular gas/petrol, (unless you have some souped up hulk of an engine). Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 07:51:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri May 5 07:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Galen" wrote in message news:e3f2rb$a99$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You seem impassioned. Got a URL where I can send her? It won't help me. I'm > comfortable being guilty. I did tell her no - not to come with us on this > trip. But no. I didn't, she didn't, no one expected her to say no. We really > did NOT know and you'd be amazed (well, maybe not you) how many people still > don't understand. This is the best link I've got for support and info, it's a good group to share and read other people's stories: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=029917 As for me, I'm impassioned because I've been suffering my whole adult life with "rigor mortis", blown off as fibromyalgia, depression (love that one), lack of exercise, dietary problems, blah blah, but I knew it was Lyme. My test results were always negative, because they only tested blood antibodies, no one would do the second step western blot because doctors and the CDC think if there are no blood antibodies, you don't have Lyme. Dead wrong. The bug only stays in your bloodstream a very short time, after it gets into the cells it hides from the immune system and doesn't provoke an immune response, trying to diagnose late stage lyme with an antibody test is pointless. It was only because of Indi's story, finding the borreliosis in his synovial fluid, that made me get sneaky and have my knee drained and tested, because they do a western blot on that. THAT was where it showed up, still not positive by CDC standards, which are total crap, but it was positive for the two most specific bands for borrelia. Fortunately my doctor (who I continue to eductate, LOL) thought that and my persistent symptoms was enough to warrant treatment, so I started a 60 day course of doxycycline last night. Hoping for some improvement, but we'll see. Good luck to your friend, I hope she's being treated appropriately, maybe this group can give her some inspiration and hope. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 12:28:46 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 07:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: >So now you have the new "bio diesel" on sale. A slight improvement in its >'green' factor, a slight dip in its 'mpg', but still much more cost >effective that regular gas/petrol, (unless you have some souped up hulk of >an engine). I like the vehicles converted to run on recycled fish and chip shop oil, the smell makes me hungry :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 13:30:39 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 07:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: > >> So now you have the new "bio diesel" on sale. A slight improvement in >> its 'green' factor, a slight dip in its 'mpg', but still much more >> cost effective that regular gas/petrol, (unless you have some souped >> up hulk of an engine). > > I like the vehicles converted to run on recycled fish and chip shop oil, > the smell makes me hungry :) > yeah, that made me laugh... I watched the report of the guy that converted his Land Rover to run on that stuff. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 08:14:13 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Fri May 5 07:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on toll road internet and other subjects (see item #6) References: Message-ID: "Galen" wrote in message news:e3f1sv$9n0$1@news.spamcop.net... | In news:e3bmsn$5u5$1@news.spamcop.net, | NotMe had this to say: | | Good magazine this week - if you can get it in print then do so. There's a | few other articles that have to do with networking. | | KGIII Not my words. Still and all what are you trying to say? From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 12:56:47 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 08:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: >Canopus wrote: >>Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: >> >>>So now you have the new "bio diesel" on sale. A slight improvement in >>>its 'green' factor, a slight dip in its 'mpg', but still much more cost >>>effective that regular gas/petrol, (unless you have some souped up hulk >>>of an engine). >> >>I like the vehicles converted to run on recycled fish and chip shop oil, >>the smell makes me hungry :) >> > >yeah, that made me laugh... >I watched the report of the guy that converted his Land Rover to run on >that stuff. This is the hammer, trust it to come from the Netherlands: http://www.channels.nl/knowledge/15607.html Fact: you get higher octain fuel from hemp. -Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's energy needs. -Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. -Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for the environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2 -Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.... -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 09:42:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] South Park - Dog Whisperer Message-ID: Did anyone see this? It might only be funny to people who watch the Dog Whisperer on the Nat Geo channel, which I do - I was laughing so hard I was crying, has to be the funniest South Park I've ever seen. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 09:43:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 08:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns97B9D246D76E3tinlc@216.154.195.61... > > I think you need a Honda Civic. :-) I need something I can get both big dogs into - I don't think they'd fancy riding on a roof rack! From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 09:31:02 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Fri May 5 08:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns97B9D4542C71Ctinlc@216.154.195.61... | "NotMe" wrote in news:e3dpif$gb5$3@news.spamcop.net: | | | > | > As I understand this the fee is paid by the provider for preferential | > positioning/access. | > | > | | As a whole sure.. but that in turn is pulled from the pocket of the | consumer. So that is likely to mean higher prices for broadband. Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with deep pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but relegated to standing by the walls. | From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 10:01:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97B9D5A11CD49TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > As for costing more to produce (in fuel terms) than you get in the end... > Well, wake up and smell the coffee, dude! Ethanol is great? Uh. Ethanol > is only economically viable because it is subsidized to a ridiculous > extent. And ethanol is one of the prime ingredients in, you guessed it, > biodiesel. Doesn't say anything about ethanol being part of biodiesel here: http://www.oregonnews.com/article/20060502/NEWS/60502007 Biodiesel sold for 20 to 30 cents a gallon more than regular diesel as recently as March. It is made from vegetable oil, including used oil from fast-food restaurants. The blend B99, of 99 percent biodiesel with 1 percent diesel fuel, was $2.77 a gallon, two cents cheaper than regular low-sulfur diesel, Monday at Carson Oil in Portland. http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2247/Special_Report_Fueling_Controversy The two main products the industry is promoting are Biodiesel and Ethanol. Biodiesel is derived when organic plant oils are mixed with alcohol. It is thick and resembles vegetable oil, and combusts at a very low temperature. Ethanol is a clear, highly flammable and volatile fuel made of alcohol primarily derived from the fermentation of sugars and starches, and cellulose, a complex carbohydrate, (C6H10O5)n, that is composed of glucose, or sugar, units. Ethanol is primarily being promoted as a replacement for gasoline in automobiles, whereas Biodiesel has a wider industrial applicability. > But, here is an example: > http://www.springerlink.com/ > (ajf2qk55b3f0dk553azmpj55)/app/home/contribution.asp? > referrer=parent&backto=issue,6,6;journal,4,47;linkingpublicationresults,1:1 > 05547,1 > > "Ethanol production using corn grain required 29% more fossil energy than > the ethanol fuel produced. • Ethanol production using switchgrass required > 50% more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel produced. • Ethanol production > using wood biomass required 57% more fossil energy than the ethanol fuel > produced. • Biodiesel production using soybean required 27% more fossil > energy than the biodiesel fuel produced" > > Did you get that? 27% more energy to make it than you get out of it. It's > assinine that we continue to push for this kind of BS. Obviously ethanol > is doing great right now - ethanol plants are subsidized by the government. > Hmm. So, I can support my region by using taxpayer money to build huge > factories in my region. Not a bad plan except that it's just plain dumb. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 10:00:38 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 09:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:e3fehu$h5f$1@news.spamcop.net... | Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: | | >Canopus wrote: | >>Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: | >> | >>>So now you have the new "bio diesel" on sale. A slight improvement in | >>>its 'green' factor, a slight dip in its 'mpg', but still much more cost | >>>effective that regular gas/petrol, (unless you have some souped up hulk | >>>of an engine). | >> | >>I like the vehicles converted to run on recycled fish and chip shop oil, | >>the smell makes me hungry :) | >> | > | >yeah, that made me laugh... | >I watched the report of the guy that converted his Land Rover to run on | >that stuff. | | This is the hammer, trust it to come from the Netherlands: | | http://www.channels.nl/knowledge/15607.html | | Fact: you get higher octain fuel from hemp. | -Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass | crops | would provide all of America's energy needs. | -Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable | of | producing 10 tons per acre in four months. | -Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline | at | cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for | the | environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting | | are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2 | -Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.... | | -- | Rob | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ There are various strains of hemp only a few produce a 'high' stuff grows like a weed (hey it is a weed) requires little in the way of cultivation. Sad part most jurisdictions in the USA have a blanket ban on growing any version. Local entrepreneurs are playing hell to get permission even for a pilot program to test the viability. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 10:02:35 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 09:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3fhgq$iqv$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Redstone" wrote in message | news:Xns97B9D246D76E3tinlc@216.154.195.61... | > | > I think you need a Honda Civic. :-) | | I need something I can get both big dogs into - I don't think they'd fancy riding on | a roof rack! | Sun roof? From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 10:33:17 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 09:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Galen" wrote in message news:e3f2rb$a99$1@news.spamcop.net... | In news:e3aqdo$l1k$1@news.spamcop.net, | Spamvireslayer had this to say: | | > See, this just illustrates the point I've been trying to make that | > you've been balking about, that you have to know what you're talking | > about and be proactive, get copies of your test and do the homework | > so you can ask questions and more important, PRESENT THEM WITH THE | > FACTS IN WRITING. Ask why they bothered to do a test that's NOT | > effective for late stage Lyme. If you just sit there and take | > everything they dish out as gospel, you're going to end up very sick | > and very disappointed. It's shocking how many of them don't know shit | > from shinola, especially about Lyme, if it doesn't say positive or | > negative on a lab test, that's as far as they go. You were dx'd | > totally by accident, you'd still be suffering if that chance lab test | > hadn't shown Lyme, not one person who should have caught it did. | > Shameful...... You should bring him the CD57 info and insist that he | > do that test, and do it again after a course of treatment, that's how | > progress is measured. | | I'll feel bad until the day I die. I had a lady friend whom followed me into | the woods on a trip we hadn't any business taking. She has - even this many | year later, a number of symptoms such as fatigue and stiffness of joints. | She has them bad enough to ensure that they have her in a wheelchair. She | went with me while we stomped through the woods for a couple of days. She | was, and is, a friend but a big girl who felt she couldn't tell us about the | feeling like something was biting her. We were kids, she went home - this | was maybe 1995 and Lyme was barely heard of in Maine - and today she's still | screwed. | | We folks who, not for Lyme but for simplicity, swum and saw them and pulled | them off. We asked and she said no and she was one of the few females there. | She's been my friend since, still, and etc but, well, I'll ask - if there's | a place - for her to share besides here. Since then there are two things I | strongly support... Breast cancer research (I'm a guy - duh! Support that!) | and awareness of Ticks. Err... My only other socially conscious thing to do | is give blood. (Err... And report SPAM.) | | You seem impassioned. Got a URL where I can send her? It won't help me. I'm | comfortable being guilty. I did tell her no - not to come with us on this | trip. But no. I didn't, she didn't, no one expected her to say no. We really | did NOT know and you'd be amazed (well, maybe not you) how many people still | don't understand. | | The rest of us are fine. I'm not a doctor but she tested positive and is | treated even still all these years later. She's 31 now and she's still | having troubles walking all the time. It is serious enough to warrant all | the attention it can get. If there's a URL where she can share her story or | something I'll tell her and she probably will. | | KGIII If it help any the insrunc industry consider Lyme DX as a mental DX (it's all in your head) to the extent that UNIM-Provident gamed a $12M study by the CDC to their advantage (help them deny coverage to many claiments) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 10:41:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 09:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3fk85$khe$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If it help any the insrunc industry consider Lyme DX as a mental DX (it's > all in your head) to the extent that UNIM-Provident gamed a $12M study by > the CDC to their advantage (help them deny coverage to many claiments) I haven't found that to be true at all, at least recently, but you are right about them paying to have their positions protected. One insurance official was known to be involved in writing the treatment guidelines, which should have been done by medical people, not insurance companies. The CDC's criteria for diagnosis is total crap, they don't include the most specific bands unique to borrelia in their testing, and they don't acknowledge the fact antibodies in the blood are not a good diagnostic criteria because they don't always appear, and disappear in late Lyme. Multiple step testing is needed for a diagnosis, and that diagnosis is SUPPOSED to be made differentially based on symptoms. The CDC criteria was never meant to be used for diagnosis, only for the reporting of the disease. Unfortunately doctors are so scared of being interrogated by the insurance companies and denied payment for treatment that none of them will deviate from what the CDC says is right, even when it's wrong. Sad. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 15:30:08 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Frog Prince on 05/05/2006 wrote: >There are various strains of hemp only a few produce a 'high' stuff grows >like a weed (hey it is a weed) requires little in the way of cultivation. >Sad part most jurisdictions in the USA have a blanket ban on growing any >version. Local entrepreneurs are playing hell to get permission even for a >pilot program to test the viability. It seems to be easier to get permission in the UK these days, I've heard of quite a few places growing it for paper, oil and seed etc. Bet there's a high licence cost and all sorts of regulations though. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:32:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 10:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: NotMe wrote: > | > H2O3 = Cl? since when? The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not chlorine. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:34:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 10:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in > news:Xns97B9D5DCEFF0ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > > > > > Non sequitur? Whatever? Pink elephant pants? > > > > > Are you sure you don't write for the Opus (i.e. Bloom County) comics? > :-) Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:35:59 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 10:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > > Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms > > of fuel, to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the > > sense in that? Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. > > It's dumb. > > Where does it say that? It ain't foreign oil........isn't that what > everyone's all cranky about? Same thing about our new "savior" ethanol. It costs more energy to produce it than you get back from burning it in an engine. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:32:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 10:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:e3fnhg$mf4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince on 05/05/2006 wrote: > > >There are various strains of hemp only a few produce a 'high' stuff grows > >like a weed (hey it is a weed) requires little in the way of cultivation. > >Sad part most jurisdictions in the USA have a blanket ban on growing any > >version. Local entrepreneurs are playing hell to get permission even for a > >pilot program to test the viability. > > It seems to be easier to get permission in the UK these days, I've heard > of quite a few places growing it for paper, oil and seed etc. Bet there's > a high licence cost and all sorts of regulations though. Funny, I was just in Wild Oats and they have all sorts of hemp products, there were food products too, I think, I remember something in the refrigerator case. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:40:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > -Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.... Really? Got a link for that claim? Sounds unbelievably high to me....but even if it's true the government will never allow such an "evil" plant to be used in such a manner, I guarantee it. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 11:39:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 10:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3fnmo$mlh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not chlorine. Chlorine makes me green. That's a bad look......... From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 17:00:31 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 11:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Heidi wrote: >> "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > >>> Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms >>> of fuel, to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the >>> sense in that? Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. >>> It's dumb. >> Where does it say that? It ain't foreign oil........isn't that what >> everyone's all cranky about? > > Same thing about our new "savior" ethanol. It costs more energy to produce > it than you get back from burning it in an engine. > > I am sure I watched a report or read that it is only expensive now because of the relatively low quantities of 'ethanol' that is being produced right now. If the production amounts were the same as regular 'gas' it would be a heck of a lot cheaper. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 12:01:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 11:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3fnmo$mlh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > The Heidster likely uses peroxide to get her "highlights", not > > chlorine. > > Chlorine makes me green. That's a bad look......... Well keep your mouth shut when you're swimming laps, dummy! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 17:02:43 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 11:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Canopus wrote: >> -Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.... > > Really? Got a link for that claim? Sounds unbelievably high to me....but > even if it's true the government will never allow such an "evil" plant to be > used in such a manner, I guarantee it. > > Aren't there several varieties of hemp plant, and not all of them are of 'smokeable' quality... I am sure I have heard of GM Hemp plants as well, but I am convinced I have seen mention of non-weed hemp plants... I shall have to go google some more. From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Fri May 5 12:06:04 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Fri May 5 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Chinese SPAM References: Message-ID: "Galen" wrote in message news:e3f1j1$9ka$1@news.spamcop.net... > I don't know but I've been responding with "I can't help you become the next > Dali Lama nor can I help you escape the oppressive regimes in China so stop > asking me. The People's Republic is strong and powerful and I'm a wee person > so do not send me links to warez forums in exchange because I can't help you > escape China." > > I felt bad up until the third or fourth one in an hour, not one was really a > plea for help. I can't really report them because they came in via Microsoft > Office's Outlook and the headers are all sorts of retarded. > > I wonder if that will teach them? > > KGIII > > I always write a nice letter to the ISP and the source contact thanking them for their kind donation to Falundafa.org. But it doesn't seem to have helped. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 13:19:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 12:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No you can't. You're not taking the whole picture into > consideration. The fuel cost. How much fuel does it take to make > your boiling pot and distillery aparatus? How much fuel does it take > to farm that corn? You're looking at things with the smaller view - > you have to take the larger view. Don't forget the fertilizer used to grow the corn either (made from natural gas). And the pesticides and weed control chemicals too. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 13:16:37 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri May 5 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Canopus wrote: > > Kenneth Brody on 04/05/2006 wrote: > > >>It's over ?5 per gallon in many parts of the UK now and it doesn't work. > >>Still the same amount of school-run-mums driving their kids a few hundred > >>yards to school. > > > >ObMovieReference: > > > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > > > One of the opening scenes is a woman driving her car to the end of > > the driveway to pick up the mail from the mailbox there, and then > > back up the driveway into the garage. > > LOL...I haven't seen it that bad, but, I drive a school bus and the chaos > outside schools with people picking up their kids, many of them not > seeming able to drive or park, is amazing. On quite a few occasions I've > driven behind someone from the school pick-up only to see them turn into a > cul de sac 100 yards from the school. Most don't even seem to drive far > enough to even warm up their engine giving rise to even more pollution > from cold catalytic converters and a far greater wastage of fuel. I drive my kids to school some days. (It's about 3/4 of a mile from our house, and they usually take the bus.) I've noticed that one of the buses actually picks up some kids from the house at the bottom of the school's driveway. When I was in junior high school (called "middle school" in some places -- grades 7 and 8), we didn't qualify for the bus, as we lived about 1-1/2 miles from the school, which was "too close" for bus service. And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both ways. :-) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 13:27:28 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri May 5 12:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <445B7CF0.24F4AF18@spamcop.net> POP wrote: > > No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT > seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this > subject. So, uhh, what's up? > > Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If > there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not > going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source for > the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody? This one has several links: http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb060501-1.shtml Including one bill which will "ensure 'network neutrality'": http://wyden.senate.gov/media/2006/03022006_net_neutrality_bill.html -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 13:32:12 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri May 5 12:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: Message-ID: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Did anyone see this? It might only be funny to people who watch the > Dog Whisperer on the Nat Geo channel, which I do - I was laughing so > hard I was crying, has to be the funniest South Park I've ever seen. We don't usually let our kids (ages 9, 6-1/2, 4, and 2) watch South Park, but when I saw the opening with the spoofs with Nanny 911 and Supernanny (two of their favorite shows), I was considering taping it the next time it's on, to let them watch. We don't get the National Geographics Channel, but I can pretty much guess what the Dog Whisperer is like, if the South Park episode is anywhere near the "real thing". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 13:56:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 13:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > > And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both ways. > :-) > Well I sure as hell did! Only bus I ever took from 1st-12th grade was first grade, and that was because we had to cross a major road. Elementary, middle and high school were all about 1 mile away, we walked every day, snow or rain. Everyone within that distance walked (or we road our bikes in nice weather), not just us. Back then parents didn't baby their kids like they do now. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 14:36:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 13:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net... > We don't usually let our kids (ages 9, 6-1/2, 4, and 2) watch South Park, > but when I saw the opening with the spoofs with Nanny 911 and Supernanny > (two of their favorite shows), I was considering taping it the next time > it's on, to let them watch. > > We don't get the National Geographics Channel, but I can pretty much > guess what the Dog Whisperer is like, if the South Park episode is > anywhere near the "real thing". It's pretty fantastic actually, he's a great behaviorist, the way he was using his techniques on Cartman was absolutely priceless. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 14:44:20 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri May 5 13:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both ways. > > :-) > > > > Well I sure as hell did! Up-hill, both ways? You must have lived on some strange terrain. :-) > Only bus I ever took from 1st-12th grade was first > grade, and that was because we had to cross a major road. Elementary, middle > and high school were all about 1 mile away, we walked every day, snow or > rain. Everyone within that distance walked (or we road our bikes in nice > weather), not just us. Back then parents didn't baby their kids like they do > now. Well, I would get a ride to school in the morning (it coincided with my father leaving for work), but would almost always walk home. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 14:50:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 13:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > indigo wrote: > > > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > > > And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both > > > ways. :-) > > > > > > > Well I sure as hell did! > > Up-hill, both ways? You must have lived on some strange terrain. :-) We lived on a slight hill, the schools were on hills, with a valley w/small stream in between. Tada! Uphill both ways! ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 14:51:22 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 13:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net... > > We don't usually let our kids (ages 9, 6-1/2, 4, and 2) watch South > > Park, but when I saw the opening with the spoofs with Nanny 911 and > > Supernanny (two of their favorite shows), I was considering taping > > it the next time it's on, to let them watch. > > > > We don't get the National Geographics Channel, but I can pretty much > > guess what the Dog Whisperer is like, if the South Park episode is > > anywhere near the "real thing". > > It's pretty fantastic actually, he's a great behaviorist, the way he > was using his techniques on Cartman was absolutely priceless. What did his mom keep zapping him with? From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 19:12:24 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 14:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net> Message-ID: indigo on 05/05/2006 wrote: >>Up-hill, both ways? You must have lived on some strange terrain. :-) > >We lived on a slight hill, the schools were on hills, with a valley w/small >stream in between. Tada! Uphill both ways! ;-) That's being pessimistic, it's equally true to say "down hill both ways". ;?) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 19:13:48 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 14:15:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 05/05/2006 wrote: >>I think you need a Honda Civic. :-) > >I need something I can get both big dogs into - I don't think they'd fancy >riding on >a roof rack! In that case a Lada...it's often described as a kennel on wheels. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri May 5 19:18:56 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri May 5 14:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: >Aren't there several varieties of hemp plant, and not all of them are of >'smokeable' quality... >I am sure I have heard of GM Hemp plants as well, but I am convinced I >have seen mention of non-weed hemp plants... I shall have to go google >some more. >From what I understand the Goggling happens after you've partaken of the GM hemp products. :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:19:35 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g3ar$t94$1@news.spamcop.net... > > What did his mom keep zapping him with? Her fingers - Cesar uses his hand as a mouth, when a dog misbehaves he "bites" it in the neck like the dominant dog would do to a lower ranking member of the pack. Dog Whisperer is on tonight on the Nat Geo channel at 8 - you should watch it, it'll make more sense. I'm still laughing, they got Cesar bang on. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:25:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:e3g4ks$u2q$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > In that case a Lada...it's often described as a kennel on wheels. LOL, with these great ratings, how could I lose? http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/lada-niva-2002722.html From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:36:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 14:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The big DUH of the week... Message-ID: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1927733 CIA Director Porter Goss has resigned, President Bush said Friday. "Last fall, Goss defended his agency's track record and insisted "we know more than we're able to say publicly" about terror chiefs Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The al-Qaida leaders haven't been found "primarily because they don't want us to find them and they're going to great lengths to make sure we don't find them," Goss said in a November interview on ABC's "Good Morning America." Uh, isn't that what "hiding" is? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:40:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 14:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > indigo on 05/05/2006 wrote: > > >>Up-hill, both ways? You must have lived on some strange terrain. > >>:-) > > > >We lived on a slight hill, the schools were on hills, with a valley > >w/small stream in between. Tada! Uphill both ways! ;-) > > That's being pessimistic, it's equally true to say "down hill both > ways". ;¬) When you're walking home in the evening after a long soccer or basketball practice, trust me, it feels uphill the WHOLE way! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:44:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 14:45:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:e3g4ks$u2q$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > > In that case a Lada...it's often described as a kennel on wheels. > > LOL, with these great ratings, how could I lose? > http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/lada-niva-2002722.html "On the inside, believe it or not, the dashboard can work its way loose and come off at an inopportune moment" That's what they make duct tape for ;-) Heck, for $500-700 how can you go wrong? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:46:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 14:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3g3ar$t94$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > What did his mom keep zapping him with? > > Her fingers - Cesar uses his hand as a mouth, when a dog misbehaves > he "bites" it in the neck like the dominant dog would do to a lower > ranking member of the pack. Oh, I see....child abuse! Dog Whisperer is on tonight on the Nat > Geo channel at 8 - you should watch it, it'll make more sense. I'm > still laughing, they got Cesar bang on. No go. Cavs-Wizards 6th playoff game tip off time is 8:07 ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:55:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g6ij$v6e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Oh, I see....child abuse! "I'm not hurting him, I am letting him know I do not agree with his behavior"...... dragging him on the leash was hilarious. > > > No go. Cavs-Wizards 6th playoff game tip off time is 8:07 ;-) > Bleh,sports.... Cesar and I have a standing appointment! And you can catch him again at 11.... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 15:59:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g6f7$v3m$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/lada-niva-2002722.html > > "On the inside, believe it or not, the dashboard can work its way loose and > come off at an inopportune moment" > > That's what they make duct tape for ;-) Heck, for $500-700 how can you go > wrong? Yeah, that's lovely-a dashboard in my lap while I"m driving. Thank heaven they don't sell them here...... BTW are you golfing this weekend? Have you noticed any sun sensitivity from the doxy? From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 15:54:53 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 15:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3fku8$kr4$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3fk85$khe$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > If it help any the insurance industry consider Lyme DX as a mental DX (it's | > all in your head) to the extent that UNUM-Provident gamed a $12M study by | > the CDC to their advantage (help them deny coverage to many claimants) | | I haven't found that to be true at all, at least recently, but you are right about | them paying to have their positions protected. One insurance official was known to | be involved in writing the treatment guidelines, which should have been done by | medical people, not insurance companies. The CDC's criteria for diagnosis is total | crap, they don't include the most specific bands unique to borrelia in their testing, | and they don't acknowledge the fact antibodies in the blood are not a good diagnostic | criteria because they don't always appear, and disappear in late Lyme. Multiple step | testing is needed for a diagnosis, and that diagnosis is SUPPOSED to be made | differentially based on symptoms. The CDC criteria was never meant to be used for | diagnosis, only for the reporting of the disease. Unfortunately doctors are so | scared of being interrogated by the insurance companies and denied payment for | treatment that none of them will deviate from what the CDC says is right, even when | it's wrong. Sad. Might have changed with regards to the CDC (some folks were headed to the gray bar Hilton) but based on info from various disability cases I've followed they're still up to no good. FWIW the SSA has hired UNUM to teach the SSA folk how to process disability claims. (Need I mention that UNUM uses SSA rejections as a basis for rejection of their claims) From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 15:57:05 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 15:10:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3fnsv$mo0$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Canopus" wrote in message | news:e3fnhg$mf4$1@news.spamcop.net... | > Frog Prince on 05/05/2006 wrote: | > | > >There are various strains of hemp only a few produce a 'high' stuff grows | > >like a weed (hey it is a weed) requires little in the way of cultivation. | > >Sad part most jurisdictions in the USA have a blanket ban on growing any | > >version. Local entrepreneurs are playing hell to get permission even for a | > >pilot program to test the viability. | > | > It seems to be easier to get permission in the UK these days, I've heard | > of quite a few places growing it for paper, oil and seed etc. Bet there's | > a high licence cost and all sorts of regulations though. | | Funny, I was just in Wild Oats and they have all sorts of hemp products, there were | food products too, I think, I remember something in the refrigerator case. You can IMPORT hemp product/by products but you can't grow it in the USA. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 16:04:32 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 15:10:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" | | >| Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of | >| fuel, to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense | >| in that? Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. | > | > Where did you get that idea? I can produce small quantifies (~200 | > gal.) in my back yard for $0.40 to $0.80 per gal. depending on how | > pure I want to get. | | No you can't. You're not taking the whole picture into consideration. The | fuel cost. How much fuel does it take to make your boiling pot and | distillery apparatus? How much fuel does it take to farm that corn? You're | looking at things with the smaller view - you have to take the larger view. Actually I've looked into the process in some detail. We've a program/proposal in front of some venture capitalist as we talk. FWIW proposal calls for selling excess electrical power from the go-gen system as well. We're working on other crops (BTW corn works) as corn is not a viable option in the areas where the production is planned. Basically if you look ONLY at the one process corn to fuel then the nay sayers have some (but not much) claim to validity. If you look at the entire process then it's good from the get go. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 16:05:19 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 15:10:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ftui$qf6$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Charles wrote: | > No you can't. You're not taking the whole picture into | > consideration. The fuel cost. How much fuel does it take to make | > your boiling pot and distillery apparatus? How much fuel does it take | > to farm that corn? You're looking at things with the smaller view - | > you have to take the larger view. | | Don't forget the fertilizer used to grow the corn either (made from natural | gas). And the pesticides and weed control chemicals too. Not all fuel crops require either. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 16:06:52 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 15:10:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g04e$rod$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Kenneth Brody wrote: | > | > And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both ways. | > :-) | > | | Well I sure as hell did! Only bus I ever took from 1st-12th grade was first | grade, and that was because we had to cross a major road. Elementary, middle | and high school were all about 1 mile away, we walked every day, snow or | rain. Everyone within that distance walked (or we road our bikes in nice | weather), not just us. Back then parents didn't baby their kids like they do | now. Back then folk did not have to be very much concerned about kidnapping either. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 21:31:59 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 15:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Chris Wright on 05/05/2006 wrote: > >> Aren't there several varieties of hemp plant, and not all of them are >> of 'smokeable' quality... >> I am sure I have heard of GM Hemp plants as well, but I am convinced I >> have seen mention of non-weed hemp plants... I shall have to go >> google some more. > > From what I understand the Goggling happens after you've partaken of > the GM hemp products. :) > Sure takes my mind off my back and hip pain though... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:39:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: South Park - Dog Whisperer References: <445B7E0C.FC23A0E6@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > Bleh,sports.... Cesar and I have a standing appointment! And you > can catch him again at 11.... I expect I'll be asleep by 11:00, or damn near close to it....watched South Park last night with one eye closed........my body had finally adapted to this early to bed early to rise routine, for the most part. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:43:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > BTW are you golfing this weekend? Have you noticed any sun > sensitivity from the doxy? Yup. Played hooky yesterday to golf too, it was gorgeous outside. Haven't noticed any sun sensitivity at all, but can't say I've been exposed to a really brutal sunny day yet either. Doc yesterday warned that I could get severely sunburned while taking doxy. I've already got a good golf tan though, and with my skin type I'm not particularly worried about it. I do carry suntan lotion in my golf bag in case I feel a burn coming on. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:40:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BA9F11E58C9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... So... What's with pulling a Heidi on us, here? Using your wife's > computer, from time to time, to post? No, that's not it - it's also a PC. > Hmm. Forgetting to change your posting name sometimes? OI! I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I did!! I think everyone should have one. "Pulling a Heidi indeed" - it's work and home, not that confusing! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:45:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns97BA9F11E58C9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > So... What's with pulling a Heidi on us, here? Using your wife's > > computer, from time to time, to post? No, that's not it - it's > > also a PC. Hmm. Forgetting to change your posting name sometimes? > > OI! I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I > did!! BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Be careful what ye wish for..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:42:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g9tc$1m8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Yup. Played hooky yesterday to golf too, it was gorgeous outside. Haven't > noticed any sun sensitivity at all, but can't say I've been exposed to a > really brutal sunny day yet either. Doc yesterday warned that I could get > severely sunburned while taking doxy. I've already got a good golf tan > though, and with my skin type I'm not particularly worried about it. I do > carry suntan lotion in my golf bag in case I feel a burn coming on. Um, you GOOBER. The reason they warn you about it is because it heightens the ability to burn beyond what you may think you're used to, the fact that you have a tan already isn't going to help you much. And take it from me, by the time you feel a burn coming on, it's too late. I burned my neck last weekend, didn't realize it was exposed until I felt it, and by then it was lobster red. And that was with NO doxy. I guess I have to slather myself with sunblock now and find my big hat.... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:47:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:50:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Back then folk did not have to be very much concerned about kidnapping > either. I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:44:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:50:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ga1h$1o3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Be careful what ye wish for..... but if you choose right, they can be ever so useful, "i'm going to be late, please let out the dog", "please pick up some milk", "oh, dinner's ready?" yada yada yada.... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:46:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 15:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ga47$1pl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. ITYM "spoil". Kids are so self obsessed these days, not a nice trait. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:52:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:55:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: And take it from me, by the time you feel a burn coming on, > it's too late. I burned my neck last weekend, didn't realize it was > exposed until I felt it, and by then it was lobster red. I can feel within 5-10 minutes whether the sun is bright enough for me to burn, my skin gets real hot real fast. Unless you're telling me that suddenly the nerve endings in my skin are going to become non-functional? And that > was with NO doxy. I guess I have to slather myself with sunblock now > and find my big hat.... Do what you gotta do. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:53:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 15:55:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3ga1h$1o3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Be careful what ye wish for..... > > but if you choose right, they can be ever so useful, "i'm going to be > late, please let out the dog", "please pick up some milk", "oh, > dinner's ready?" yada yada yada.... >From the marriages I've observed you've got the relationship backwards..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 16:56:47 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 16:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3ga47$1pl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. > > ITYM "spoil". Kids are so self obsessed these days, not a nice trait. No, I meant coddle. Meaning no adversity, they don't have to work to do things they want to do. Got soccer practice? Ride your bike or walk, the exercise will be good for you. Too many parents wait on their kids hand and foot and drive themselves insane in the process (and the marriage suffers). Spoiling is buying them everything they want. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:00:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 16:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3galv$26p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No, I meant coddle. Meaning no adversity, they don't have to work to do > things they want to do. Got soccer practice? Ride your bike or walk, the > exercise will be good for you. Too many parents wait on their kids hand and > foot and drive themselves insane in the process (and the marriage suffers). > Spoiling is buying them everything they want. Not really, spoiling is also not making them get off their increasingly fat arses and walk or ride their bikes, or at least go outside and play. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:01:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 16:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3gag4$23v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > From the marriages I've observed you've got the relationship backwards..... Cool, so how do I find me one of them, become a harpy fishwife? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:13:34 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Not really, spoiling is also not making them get off their > increasingly fat arses and walk or ride their bikes, or at least go > outside and play. Since I don't come from that kind of background (we got kicked out of the house during the summer and were left to amuse ourselves) and my nieces and nephews are all very active, I can't relate to the "sit around and play video games" kid situation. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:14:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 16:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3gag4$23v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > From the marriages I've observed you've got the relationship > > backwards..... > > Cool, so how do I find me one of them, become a harpy fishwife? A what? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:14:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3gbn4$2pk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Cool, so how do I find me one of them, become a harpy fishwife? > > A what? > http://www.bartleby.com/62/36/H0723600.html You know, like your ex? ;> From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:21:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 5 16:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e3gbn4$2pk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > Cool, so how do I find me one of them, become a harpy fishwife? > > > > A what? > > > http://www.bartleby.com/62/36/H0723600.html > > You know, like your ex? ;> "Informal : battle-ax" Fits you both well! :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 5 17:40:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 5 16:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3gc3o$2uo$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > "Informal : battle-ax" > > Fits you both well! :-P BWAH! You would know....... From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 18:02:41 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 17:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e3g9tc$1m8$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Spamvireslayer wrote: | > BTW are you golfing this weekend? Have you noticed any sun | > sensitivity from the doxy? | | Yup. Played hooky yesterday to golf too, it was gorgeous outside. Haven't | noticed any sun sensitivity at all, but can't say I've been exposed to a | really brutal sunny day yet either. Doc yesterday warned that I could get | severely sunburned while taking doxy. I've already got a good golf tan | though, and with my skin type I'm not particularly worried about it. I do | carry suntan lotion in my golf bag in case I feel a burn coming on. Sun block would be better and by the time you feel it 'coming on' it's generally too late. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 18:06:59 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 17:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Charles" | | > Not all fuel crops require either. | | So... What's with pulling a Heidi on us, here? Using your wife's | computer, from time to time, to post? No, that's not it - it's also a PC. | Hmm. Forgetting to change your posting name sometimes? No I've a army of computers here at the house (doing a overhaul/reducing 50 not working donated machines to 20-25 working units) all are legacy (read old) and using as much open source software as I can. Trying to keep my ID straight is a bit hard under the circumstances not that it's much easier any other time. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 18:08:19 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 17:15:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3ga6u$1r3$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ga1h$1o3$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Be careful what ye wish for..... | | but if you choose right, they can be ever so useful, "i'm going to be late, please | let out the dog", "please pick up some milk", "oh, dinner's ready?" yada yada | yada.... Those are lagacy wives (read June Cleaver) not the current crop. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 18:10:00 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 17:15:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > Back then folk did not have to be very much concerned about kidnapping | > either. | | I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. Perhaps but from what I've seen of late the job's MUCH MUCH harder. From me at privacy.net Fri May 5 18:11:25 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 5 17:15:24 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3ga9c$1s4$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ga47$1pl$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > | > I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. | | ITYM "spoil". Kids are so self obsessed these days, not a nice trait. Hint: Kids have always been self obsessed. The problem today is that there are much greater dangers for all to contend with. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 23:33:32 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 17:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: >> Back then folk did not have to be very much concerned about kidnapping >> either. > > I still think parents coddle their kids way too much these days. > > This is worthy of a new thread on its own... (I'll let you start it as you mentioned it). As a father to 3 kids (6,10 and 11 - girl,boy,boy), I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am lucky to have 3 great kids (but then all parents say the same about their own kids, so my opinion don't count for toffee). Doh, start that thread... I nearly posted a 2meg reply ;) Chris From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri May 5 18:40:34 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Fri May 5 17:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> <445B7CF0.24F4AF18@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:445B7CF0.24F4AF18@spamcop.net... > POP wrote: >> >> No idea whether this is real or a big hoax: To date I have NOT >> seen any links to any proposed legislation anywhere about this >> subject. So, uhh, what's up? >> >> Anyone have any reliably sourced, real data/references? If >> there's anything to it I'd like to get involved, but I'm not >> going to go off half baked without a valid, verifiable source >> for >> the information. And so far I cannot find one. Anybody? > > This one has several links: > > http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb060501-1.shtml > > Including one bill which will "ensure 'network neutrality'": > > > http://wyden.senate.gov/media/2006/03022006_net_neutrality_bill.html > > -- > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | > | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > Don't e-mail me at: > > Thank you Kenneth; much appreciated. Dunno why, but I was unable to unearth anything verifiable by myself. I just like to be able to line up my ducks, especially when I might use them for target shooting . Now to go see what all the hoopla's about. Pop From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 23:46:23 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 17:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> Not really, spoiling is also not making them get off their >> increasingly fat arses and walk or ride their bikes, or at least go >> outside and play. > > Since I don't come from that kind of background (we got kicked out of the > house during the summer and were left to amuse ourselves) and my nieces and > nephews are all very active, I can't relate to the "sit around and play > video games" kid situation. > > I let my kids play video and computer games, but they have to earn time. They get credits for playing outside, doing work outside, how quick they finish their school work. For every hour they play education games (there are some you know), or they do research type 'stuff', they get 30mins video game time. The only programs they really watch on TV are Dr. Who and The Simpsons.... All other time is spent 'earning' their credit or spending it. My 11 year old is now a whizkid with Macromedia and can create MM Flash presentations in a fraction of the time I can. (So he gets a larger cut of pocket money in compensation). I try not to force them to do it but rather encourage... I spent my 'childhood and my 'yoof'' outside... (Mind you, looking at my hips and back these days) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri May 5 23:48:37 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri May 5 17:50:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message news:e3ga1h$1o3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Be careful what ye wish for..... > > but if you choose right, they can be ever so useful, "i'm going to be late, please > let out the dog", "please pick up some milk", "oh, dinner's ready?" yada yada > yada.... > > Don't be daft, getting a wife is a great way to ruin a great relationship. From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri May 5 18:09:40 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri May 5 18:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] what a day. Message-ID: This has not been a good day.... If you have kids that are learning to drive, or just starting out, you better talk to them about speeding while you can. Long story short. A flatbed truck was turning left into a local hardware store when a small "ricer" apparently going 60-75 in the 35 MPH zone cleared the hill just in front of the store. The semi's cab was just into the driveway with the trailer blocking both westbound lanes. Had the driver been going the speed limit they could have stopped or at least would have had probably hit the semi's rear wheels. As it was, the top of the car was sheared off and mostly left on one side while the remainder of the car continued on and ran into oncoming traffic. I feel sorry for the folks that had to collect the body parts, but call me callous if I don't care one bit about ignorant drivers that think they are in one big Nintendo game. There ain't a friggin reset button in real life. -- DougW From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 5 17:16:04 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 5 19:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > As it was, the top of the car was sheared off and mostly left on > one side while the remainder of the car continued on and ran into > oncoming traffic. I was once an early arrival at a scene in which the passenger car and occupants were sheared off at about the level of the hood of the car by speeding under the rear end of a highway stopped truck whose steel bed was about the level of the hood. Very very gory. Resembled a convertible full of half torsos. I also once watched a speeding motorcycle rider approaching a flat bed truck almost stopped across several lanes of the highway like you described and the bike rider laid it down and he and the bike went screeching under, clipping one handlebar but not his hand which he had gotten out of the way of the spare truck tire and rack slung under the truck's bed. Except for a lot of roadburn, and a seriously damaged bike, the rider was not badly hurt, he and broken bike emerging from the other side of the truck blocking the road after passing underneath. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 5 18:46:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 5 20:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >> I also once watched a speeding motorcycle rider approaching a flat >> bed truck > > That was cool. I'll have to remember that trick. Try to 'sideways' aim your sliding mass toward the part of the truck that has the most clearance under - I'm sure the oncoming spare tire rack looked really ugly. Someone else told me a lay your bike down story they did, but I can't remember the particulars right now. My biggest bike collision was speeding down a beach at night with my headlights off by the light of the moon reflecting off the wet sand at the edge of the water - which seemed like a perfectly good [actually 'necessary'] thing to be doing at the time - and I never saw the log on just on the dry side of the wet sand. The bike stopped at the log, well mostly stopped. Kinda went over slowly behind me in the order of seat, rear wheel, front wheel - where that bike order is naturally upside down. I however continued at approximately the same speed over the handlebars and over the log to land way over yonder. But, the sand was soft and I wasn't hurt. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfmanno at mail.com Fri May 5 23:56:29 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri May 5 23:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > > I'd hate to be working a minimum wage job knowing half of > > what I earned was simply paying to get to and from work. > > Half? Oh, please. Let's see, minimum wage is $5.15/hr, or $206/wk. Half that would be $103. Gas is $3/gal here in Philly, so $103 would buy 34 1/3 gallons of gas. According to the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, average fuel mileage for passenger cars was 22.4 miles per gallon in 2004. 34 1/3 gallons of gas times 22.4 miles per gallon equals approx. 770 miles. Assuming five round trips to work and 20% non-commute driving, that's a 62-mile drive to work each way. Who drives that far for a minimum-wage job? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com I don't trust organized anything: teams, religions, corporations. People in enterprise together consistently do two things: promulgate the enterprise, no matter what, and protect miscreants in their midst. (Alfred Lubrano) From me at privacy.net Sat May 6 07:52:02 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 6 07:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > Assuming five round trips to work and 20% non-commute driving, that's a | > 62-mile | > drive to work each way. Who drives that far for a minimum-wage job? | | It sure would be incentive to carpool. In western NC car pooling is not much of an option for the majority espically those working two jobs. From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 6 11:57:05 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 6 12:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: gas buddy... if you think you've got it bad References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno did pass the time by typing: > Charles wrote: > >>> I'd hate to be working a minimum wage job knowing half of >>> what I earned was simply paying to get to and from work. >> >> Half? Oh, please. > > Let's see, minimum wage is $5.15/hr, or $206/wk. Half that would be $103. Gas > is $3/gal here in Philly, so $103 would buy 34 1/3 gallons of gas. I've never had a job where my take-home pay was equal to the gross pay. Salary - federal tax - state tax - social security - health plan That's in reality about $133 net pay assuming you actually have a full time job. These days in order to avoid paying workers compensation insurance some businesses only hire part-time or half-time employees. Working less than a full 8hr day keeps the mileage the same for even less income. > According to the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, average fuel mileage for > passenger cars was 22.4 miles per gallon in 2004. My old truck got 9mpg, my 93 Jeep gets 15mpg. People who work lower paying jobs do not generally have cars that get good gas mileage, they have the cheapest transportation they can afford. So at 10mpg a 20mile trip each day eats 6$ in 3$ gas a day or 30$ a week > 34 1/3 gallons of gas times 22.4 miles per gallon equals approx. 770 miles. > > Assuming five round trips to work and 20% non-commute driving, that's a > 62-mile drive to work each way. Who drives that far for a minimum-wage job? Nobody that I know. But I do know folks that commute about 30+ miles to work. They however make much more than minimum wage. One of the waitresses I know moved to a closer rental. The savings in fuel offset the slightly higher rent. (and it's a MUCH better neighborhood too) -- DougW From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat May 6 12:10:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 6 14:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >> But, the sand was soft and I wasn't hurt. > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how was the bike??? Bent forks, mostly and of course the cosmetics. As I recall, I was able to force them straight enough by hand to be able to get the bike off the beach without having to haul it, and it was only a few miles home. That was a long time ago. It was a very big log to be lying on a beach. You wouldn't have wnated to encounter that thing in the water with a boat at speed. I expect that would have caused lots more damage than the bike and I had. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Sat May 6 16:30:52 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Sat May 6 16:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3iopr$b53$1@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: > > >> But, the sand was soft and I wasn't hurt. > > > > Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how was the bike??? > > Bent forks, mostly and of course the cosmetics. As I recall, I was > able to force them straight enough by hand to be able to get the bike > off the beach without having to haul it, and it was only a few miles > home. That was a long time ago. > > It was a very big log to be lying on a beach. You wouldn't have wnated > to encounter that thing in the water with a boat at speed. I expect > that would have caused lots more damage than the bike and I had. > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > Reminds me of the time I turned off the headlights and engine on my bike while waiting in a tailback on a long bridge at night. When Traffic finally began to move, Iturned on the engine and proceeded, just after the bridge was an exit ramp to a Very large park, and while exiting I discovered alternately whuile being blinded by my flashers that It was not illuminated and I had forgotten to turn the headlight back on. Drawing upon my vast experience at the controls of a bike I more or less froze. You can guess the rest. (yes there were curbs) Luckily no serious injuries or damage, just a great deal of pain and limping for a while. From dfmanno at mail.com Sat May 6 21:52:07 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 6 20:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > NotMe wrote: > > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > > | "Redstone" wrote in message > > | > > | > Is she a bleach blonde? :-) > > | > > | It's....not.....BLEACH! It's a high-lifting tint...... ;) > > | > > /Charles Mode/ > > > > Clorine by any other name is ... whatever. > > > > /end Charles Mode/ > > /Charles Mode/ > > Clorine by any other name is ... hydrogen peroxide. > > /end Charles Mode/ /Charles Mode/ And a chorine by any other name is ... a dance hall girl. /end Charles Mode/ -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 7 12:24:50 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 7 06:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Berny" ! > >> Reminds me of the time > > Oh my! Should we get into motorcycle stories then? Yours recalls one time > when I hit a speedbump at 30. Yowsa! -That- time I didn't wreck! Of > course, the friend who was watching said that my ass went higher than my > head that time... > > And that recalls the other speed bump that I hit at maybe 20. Now, whereas > the first one (at 30) incurred no damage... That second one (on a very > different bike, I might note) crushed one of my exhaust pipes to about 1/2 > of its former size. No big deal, right? Ha. The bike never ran right > afterwards... Yeah, I should have gotten new pipe or at least tried to > straighten that one out, but, like, live and learn, or whatever, you know? Ok, while we are in to bike stories... After I had written off my previous bike, I had taken delivery of the brand new replacement. I had a lent another of mike bikes to a colleague of mine and we had gone out for a Sunday ride and were heading back to my place. I had just overtaken him on a long straight and after the maneuver I was checking back to see where he was. When I looked forward, the worlds biggest badger had decided to cross the road. It just sat there looking at me not going in any direction. Doing about 60 at the time, I went left, it went left, I went right, it went right, so in the end I just headed straight. The damn thing just sat there. I ended up standing up on the pedals and hit the thing square on, almost 'bunny hopped' over it, landed the other side. Bits of the air defuser form the oil cooler flying past me as I breaked and stopped the bike. Big dent in my oil cooler, but no real damage. The damn badger just growled at me, grunted and trundled off apparently no worse for the ordeal. I just sat there and considered my new up and coming laundry bill. Perks of living in the country... Chris From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Sun May 7 14:41:17 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sun May 7 09:45:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote in news:e3khtd$b93$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Perks of living in the country... Ever been running down a back road around 90 mph , wearing a t-shirt and (thankfully) a full face helmet, and running thru a swarm of bees? Welts all over my chest and stomach, and a face shield that was cracked and stained so bad From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun May 7 14:49:05 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun May 7 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 05/05/2006 wrote: > >"Canopus" wrote in message >news:e3g4ks$u2q$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>In that case a Lada...it's often described as a kennel on wheels. > >LOL, with these great ratings, how could I lose? >http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/car-reviews/car-and-driving/lada-niva-2002722.html These Russian cars are also described as the most polluting car in the world. There was a time when you had to put your name down for one then wait about 20 years to get one. We are finding that in the UK now crews from Russian ships are buying up second hand ones and shipping them back to Russia for parts etc.. They are almost becoming a collectors item over here. There are rumours that you have to kick start them, but, I think that may mean you give them a good kick with your boot when they don't start. On the plus side the body-work doesn't rust, it's made of plastic! -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 7 08:14:35 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 7 10:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Almost lost a cat... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: >Whatever it was, it was perched > in the tree just over the porch and it was yelling at him. The > yelling sounded like the hoarse bark of a REALLY BIG dog. I mean, > we're talking loud. I can't believe that you weren't sufficiently interested in the class/ order/ family/ genus/ species of fauna which was up in a *TREE* loudly _barking_ at a cat. It is a rare rare dog that you will find in a tree. Even desperate 'coon dogs which make every effort to get up a tree after a 'coon rarely get there satisfactorily. And I can't think of a time a dog climbed a tree after a cat -- but conceivably one might get stuck up there if it did. And be barking about it. That barking wouldn't be at the cat, it would be about the plight. OTOH, there are some interesting critters that make some strange noises that one might find in a tree -- and if I were living around there, I would want to know about what they are. That thing sounds like it might be big enough to hurt someone besides a stupid cat. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 7 16:49:59 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 7 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in news:e3khtd$b93$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> Perks of living in the country... > > Ever been running down a back road around 90 mph , wearing a t-shirt and > (thankfully) a full face helmet, and running thru a swarm of bees? > Welts all over my chest and stomach, and a face shield that was cracked and > stained so bad Nothing worse than getting back after a long ride and spending hours getting the wings and other bits from between your teeth. (Despite wearing a full face helmet). I used to wear full leathers even for a 10min trip to the shop, whatever the weather. I got hit my a bumble bee the size of a small bird one day, at least you would think so by the size of the bruise it left. You'd swear sometimes they have homing radars fitted. Not done the swarm of bees before, that sounded a tadge nasty... Chris From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 7 12:11:21 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Sun May 7 11:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BC64081734ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > >> Had enough? Vote Democratic! > > Yeah, well, it doesn't matter how democratically we vote if the > machines > are rigged... There it is ... Vote Democratic ... don't give consideration to what you'll be voting FOR, especially in the overall, because ... Vote Democratic ... and all will be well with the world. ... Vote Democratic ... and vote for the whole she-bang, good and bad alike, without care for WHAT is is you're voting FOR; just ... Vote Democratic ... and all will be right with the world. So, go ahead ... Vote Democratic ... or ... Vote Republican ... or Vote Anything ... and it will save you from having to think, overcome your own ignorance, or have to even have any idea what any of the issues are. Just ... Vote Democratic ... . It's so easy, just one lever to pull; no thought required, not even eyesight if you know where the lever is in the count. So ... Vote Democratic ... . It isn't the rigged machines; they aren't; it's the ... Vote (your favorite party here) ... attitude that gathers in the ignorants and machine fixer wanna-be's and unethicals alike. So ... Vote Democratic ... ; I'll vote with my mind and a knowledge of the issues, thank you. Pop From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 7 12:19:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 7 11:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Almost lost a cat... References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3kvbr$igv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I can't believe that you weren't sufficiently interested in the class/ > order/ family/ genus/ species of fauna which was up in a *TREE* loudly > _barking_ at a cat. It is a rare rare dog that you will find in a tree. > Even desperate 'coon dogs which make every effort to get up a tree after > a 'coon rarely get there satisfactorily. And I can't think of a time a > dog climbed a tree after a cat -- but conceivably one might get stuck up > there if it did. And be barking about it. That barking wouldn't be at > the cat, it would be about the plight. Raccoons can be quite obnoxious and vocal when threatened, I was trying to chase one out of the barn with a lunge whip one night and he was standing on his hind legs hissing and barking at me, not about to move. I'd be worried more about what it was for the sake of knowing whether or not it was rabid. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Sun May 7 18:11:25 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sun May 7 13:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns97BC853EFD90TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > No way it was me! It was JohnL ! > >> Ever been running down a back road around 90 mph , wearing a t-shirt > > Nope. And I don't plan on doing so, either. Full body armour is > worth every penny - and should surely be required (as I believe it is > in Switzerland). Well, back then I was young and dumb. ;-) Now a day _IF_ I would ever get on another bike, I would be a lot better dressed/protected! From dfmanno at mail.com Sun May 7 14:12:43 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 7 13:15:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: In article , "POP" wrote: > There it is ... Vote Democratic ... don't give consideration to > what you'll be voting FOR, especially in the overall, because ... > Vote Democratic ... and all will be well with the world. ... > Vote Democratic ... and vote for the whole she-bang, good and bad > alike, without care for WHAT is is you're voting FOR; just ... > Vote Democratic ... and all will be right with the world. > So, go ahead ... Vote Democratic ... or ... Vote Republican > ... or Vote Anything ... and it will save you from having to > think, overcome your own ignorance, or have to even have any idea > what any of the issues are. Just ... Vote Democratic ... . It's > so easy, just one lever to pull; no thought required, not even > eyesight if you know where the lever is in the count. So ... > Vote Democratic ... . ... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years and _everything_ they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From dfmanno at mail.com Sun May 7 14:50:04 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 7 13:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Netflix thinks I'm a lesbian Message-ID: I recently joined Netflix, and being bored this afternoon, I decided to see what recommendations the site would come up with for me. It asks you to rate film genres, giving them one to five stars. Then it presents a list of films and asks you to rate the ones you've seen with the same one to five stars. Then it lists the recommendations. Netflix must think I'm a lesbian. The recommendations I got included "The L Word," "If These Walls Could Talk 2," Ellen DeGeneres performances, "Lost and Delirious," etc. I think the site also took into account my queue, which includes "Bound" (Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon as lovers) and the musical "Rent." -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From dfmanno at mail.com Sun May 7 15:45:33 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 7 14:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of fuel, > to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense in that? > Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. And how much energy does it take to produce a gallon of gasoline, and is it more or less than the energy you get out of it? Doesn't the Second Law of Thermodynamics mean that you will always get less energy from a fuel than it takes to produce it? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From dfmanno at mail.com Sun May 7 15:48:33 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 7 14:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I did!! If you get one, can we watch? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 7 20:50:04 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 7 14:50:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > >> Well, that's not a really good idea, eh? It costs more, in terms of fuel, >> to produce biodiesel than you get out of it. Where's the sense in that? >> Ah, right, spending money makes the economy run. It's dumb. > > And how much energy does it take to produce a gallon of gasoline, and is it more > or less than the energy you get out of it? > > Doesn't the Second Law of Thermodynamics mean that you will always get less > energy from a fuel than it takes to produce it? No, thats the rule associated with the damn trucks I used to see in Texas. Used to spook me pulling up at the stop lights to see a foot rest level with my head ;) From dfmanno at mail.com Sun May 7 15:55:19 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 7 14:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article <445B8EF4.B3295951@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody wrote: > indigo wrote: > > > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > > > And, no, I didn't have to walk through the snow, up-hill, both ways. > > > :-) > > > > Well I sure as hell did! > > Up-hill, both ways? You must have lived on some strange terrain. :-) The landscaper was some guy named Escher. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sun May 7 13:49:21 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sun May 7 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > And how much energy does it take to produce a gallon of gasoline, and is it more > or less than the energy you get out of it? More accurately: How much energy does it take to convert x amount of petroleum into a gallon of gasoline, and how does that compare to the difference in available energy in the petroleum vs the gasoline? > > Doesn't the Second Law of Thermodynamics mean that you will always get less > energy from a fuel than it takes to produce it? Make sure you are including the entire system in your model. Are you counting only the energy to convert petroleum to gasoline? If you are considering the total energy available in the gasoline end product, don't forget to subtract the energy present in the raw products (petroleum mostly) that went in at the front end. And not all the energy contained in the molecules is easily available to our everyday processes. (Consider the total amount of energy contained in a mass of hydrogen, vs. the amount of that energy that is available to us without extraordinary mechanisms, i.e. burning and not fusion.) The point of most "renewable resources" is not that they violate any Law of Thermodynamics, but that most or all of the energy they deliver comes from the sun, in the short-term (not millions of years). -- Don Wannit A paid SpamCop user since 1999 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 7 19:20:32 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Sun May 7 18:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] OT: no SC references here Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: ... > > ... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years > and _everything_ > they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit. > -- > D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com > Had enough? Vote Democratic! Wow! What a reason for a vote! It must be hard to breathe with your head under all that sand; and I'm not supporting any political party with that statement; I'm referring to your blanket statement - you're definitely ... well, you know so I don't have to spell it out ... or do I? Maybe I do; but I don't feel like it. Not worth it. Sorry. Pop From me at privacy.net Sun May 7 20:23:28 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 7 19:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | > I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I did!! | | If you get one, can we watch? Video at 11? From me at privacy.net Sun May 7 20:24:44 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 7 19:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: what a day. References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97BC4E3501831innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | Chris Wright wrote in news:e3khtd$b93$1 | @news.spamcop.net: | | > Perks of living in the country... | | Ever been running down a back road around 90 mph , wearing a t-shirt and | (thankfully) a full face helmet, and running thru a swarm of bees? | Welts all over my chest and stomach, and a face shield that was cracked and | stained so bad How do you ID a happy motor cyclist? A: By the bugs in his teeth. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon May 8 02:17:32 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun May 7 21:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e3fnpk$mm1$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right! > > My little sister was just like Danae during her younger years. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon May 8 02:19:21 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun May 7 21:20:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns97BAB27D0D4F4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > True story... BB used to frequent a restaurant where I was chef! > Now, that doesn't mean that I have the slightest clue as to who he > is/was... Unless he's the guy who always wanted spicey chili or the > other one who came in for oatmeal for breakfast... > So does that make you Opus, Steve Dallas, or Bill the Cat? :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon May 8 02:23:07 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun May 7 21:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "NotMe" wrote in news:e3fhja$ir6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with > deep pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but > relegated to standing by the walls. > And/or be given the scraps from the table. On the extreme end of things, the Internet ends up becoming a place for elite. (I know.. not likely to happen.) From me at privacy.net Sun May 7 22:41:14 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 7 21:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: <445A2B74.30FB63F1@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Redstone" | > Higher prices yes but what's more chilling is that only those with | > deep pockets get a place at the table the rest may be in the room but | > relegated to standing by the walls. | | And/or be given the scraps from the table. On the extreme end of things, | the Internet ends up becoming a place for elite. (I know.. not likely to | happen.) Or like the other media, access controlled by the elite. From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Sun May 7 22:10:16 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Sun May 7 22:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: On non sequiturs References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BCD18733D99TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... SNIPPED > edition). Whatever. So... When I'm done with it, anyone want to > permanently borrow my copy or should I just burn it? Extract revenge and profit, sell it to a used bookstore.Or donate it to a library and take the small tax deduction. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 7 23:41:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 01:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: On non sequiturs References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > or should I just > burn it? It's been burned /before/, by English customs and I'm sure others. The first publication was as a serialization in a magazine -- which ended with the magazine's editors being convicted in the US in 1921of publishing obscenity. It remained banned in the US for quite a number of years, until 1933, when its US Supreme Court trial decision and Judge J. Woolsey changed the obscenity map breaking the influence of 'Comstock Law' on obscenity prevalent until then. Maybe that's how it got some of its popularity and reputation, by important authors and other personages raving about its literary value to get it past the obscenity problem. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 8 17:53:53 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Mon May 8 03:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Chinese SPAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Galen wrote: > I don't know but I've been responding with "I can't help you become the next > Dali Lama nor can I help you escape the oppressive regimes in China so stop > asking me. The People's Republic is strong and powerful and I'm a wee person > so do not send me links to warez forums in exchange because I can't help you > escape China." > > I felt bad up until the third or fourth one in an hour, not one was really a > plea for help. I can't really report them because they came in via Microsoft > Office's Outlook and the headers are all sorts of retarded. > > I wonder if that will teach them? They are manufacturing fake SPAM now...? Real SPAM should always come from http://www.spam.com/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon May 8 12:51:48 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon May 8 07:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] How To Start Your Day With a Positive Attitude Message-ID: How to start your day with a positive attitude 1. Create a "new folder" on your computer. 2. Name it "George W. Bush". 3. Send it to the trash. 4. Empty the trash. 5. Your computer will ask you: "Do you really want to delete "George W. Bush"? 6. Calmly answer, "Yes", and press the mouse button firmly... >From Robert Anton Wilson's web site http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 08:53:38 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 08:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: "Charles" | >> | >> True story... BB used to frequent a restaurant where I was chef! | > | > So does that make you Opus, Steve Dallas, or Bill the Cat? :-) | | Oh, the choices! I'd rather be Bill, given those choices... Bill the Cat lives at Charles' place but is he 7 or 17? The saga continues. From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 10:03:54 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 09:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: Sorry for the multiple post (posted to geeks as well) but I'm desperate. On April 22, my best friend died of a massive heart attack. We can access part of his MSN account from his computer but not all of the data we need can be reached by that method. Despite legal papers giving us access to his estate and all records MSN is stone walling. As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? Regards FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 8 07:13:57 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 09:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to > access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? Which OS? This one won't do XP. http://www.xcat-industries.nl/softwareinfo.php?software=23 xCAT - MSN Password Recovery 2.00Publisher's Description: -- xCAT - MSN Password Recovery lets you recover your MSN Messenger password that has been saved to auto-login to your MSN Messenger application. This program gets the MSN password (that has been encrypted) from the registry and decrypts the password. -- This program doesn't work with windows XP :( -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 8 10:45:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 8 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Sun block would be better and by the time you feel it 'coming on' it's > generally too late. Sorry folks, no redness, no burning, nada, zip, zilch. Twas sunny during the whole round too. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 8 10:54:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 8 09:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > ... because the Republicans have been in charge for five years and > _everything_ they've touched, without exception, has turned to shit. Even the repugnican voters are starting to realize that. New polls show that something like 40% of Reps are considering voting for democrats in the upcoming midterm election. The Dems may easily take back the House, Senate is a tougher nut to crack but they should get closer to a 50-50 split. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 8 10:54:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 8 09:55:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Internet freedom? References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:e3fnpk$mm1$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > > > Hey, Non Sequitur is a funny comic strip in it's own right! > > > > > > My little sister was just like Danae during her younger years. :-) Evil? From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 11:25:59 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3ng63$ub3$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to | > access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? | | Which OS? This one won't do XP. | | http://www.xcat-industries.nl/softwareinfo.php?software=23 xCAT - MSN | Password Recovery 2.00Publisher's Description: -- xCAT - MSN Password | Recovery lets you recover your MSN Messenger password that has been | saved to auto-login to your MSN Messenger application. This program gets | the MSN password (that has been encrypted) from the registry and | decrypts the password. -- This program doesn't work with windows XP :( Sorry it's XP From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 8 16:32:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 8 15:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-BD1C77.14483307052006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I did!! > > If you get one, can we watch? There'll be none of that funny business, I just want someone to do stuff for me....... From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 8 20:47:41 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 8 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:e3o6jm$b6p$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfmanno-BD1C77.14483307052006@news.cesmail.net... >> In article , >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote: >> >> > I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I >> > did!! >> >> If you get one, can we watch? > > There'll be none of that funny business, I just want someone to do > stuff for me....... > > > What kind of _stuff_ ? ;-) From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 17:01:39 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 16:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97BD8C5487B0Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in | news:e3o6jm$b6p$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > | > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message | > news:dfmanno-BD1C77.14483307052006@news.cesmail.net... | >> In article , | >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote: | >> | >> > I don't have a wife, but my life would be damn sight easier if I | >> > did!! | >> | >> If you get one, can we watch? | > | > There'll be none of that funny business, I just want someone to do | > stuff for me....... | > | > | > | | What kind of _stuff_ ? ;-) I think the word was 'for' not 'to' ... From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 8 21:04:21 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 8 16:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3o83b$bsj$1@news.spamcop.net: >| What kind of _stuff_ ? ;-) > > I think the word was 'for' not 'to' ... Hey, depending on the other words, you could use either "for" or "to", or a variety of other interesting words. From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 17:09:48 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 16:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "JohnL" < | "Frog Prince" < | | >| What kind of _stuff_ ? ;-) | > | > I think the word was 'for' not 'to' ... | | Hey, depending on the other words, you could use either "for" or "to", or a | variety of other interesting words. Are you implying that a half hour of beggin' qualifies? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 8 21:17:37 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 8 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3o8j2$c7q$2@news.spamcop.net: > Are you implying that a half hour of beggin' qualifies? If that's what it takes, then sure! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 8 17:34:59 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 8 16:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97BD8C5487B0Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > > What kind of _stuff_ ? ;-) All the crap I don't want to do - shopping, cleaning, laundry, errands....get your mind out of the gutter, boy...... From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon May 8 22:12:14 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon May 8 17:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:e3oa9a$d3v$1@news.spamcop.net: > All the crap I don't want to do - shopping, cleaning, laundry, > errands....get your mind out of the gutter, boy...... But, the " mind in the gutter" is one of percs of doing all the shopping, cleaning, laundry, errands, etc. ;-) Speaking of errands, you should see the beautiful dozen roses I got her today, along with the gold necklace. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 8 23:29:43 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 8 17:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Sorry for the multiple post (posted to geeks as well) but I'm desperate. > > On April 22, my best friend died of a massive heart attack. We can access > part of his MSN account from his computer but not all of the data we need > can be reached by that method. > > Despite legal papers giving us access to his estate and all records MSN is > stone walling. > > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to access > that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? > > Regards > > FP > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com > > > Does MSN send the new password to a second email address if you request it? Or is it the security question stuff only... Damn shame MSN is causing hassle. Any body got any relations at CNN? I have a few at the BBC ;) But won't carry much weight across the pond. Could start a massive blog campaign, but then we all know MS are deaf. From heybub at gmail.com Mon May 8 20:40:04 2006 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon May 8 20:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: Maggie's Mom wrote: > Last week we received a letter from Qwest, with yet another price > hike on caller ID. This made me think, that possibly there are other > providers, with more reasonable prices. > Vonage advertises a lot. I started looking up reviews on Vonage, and > that was how I discovered SurRocket, Waybeyondvoip, and about 1700 > others just in the USA alone. > I read some reviews already, but it seems that not all of them were > unbiased, especially those that were written by one Anonymous. > Has anyone from the group have a first hand experience with VOiP, and > if yes - what are the opinions? Is it worth switching from Qwest? > Peace, - Maggie's Mom. We got Vonage about 2 years ago. $25.00/month. For that price, we got a real telephone number, all the extras (caller-ID, voice mail, call waiting, etc.) and all the long-distance we could eat. As an added bonus, you can pick your area code! If, for example, your main customers or relatives live on the other side of the country, pick an area code that's a local call for them. Our long-distance bill (at ~ 3 cents/minute) was over $200/month to service our customers scattered all over the US, Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean. All that expense went away. We were so pleased, that we dropped two of our three land-line numbers and added two more Vonage lines. All in all, we traded about $350/month in telephone expense for less than $75. The quality is excellent. We've kept one land-line in case of cable interruptions (there have been two in two years, each less than a day's duration). Your mileage may vary, but it only costs $25 to try it out - you can pick up a "kit" at Wal-Mart, Costco, or electronics retailers. From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 22:31:33 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 9 08:40:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" wrote in message news:e3od81$eps$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > Sorry for the multiple post (posted to geeks as well) but I'm desperate. | > | > On April 22, my best friend died of a massive heart attack. We can access | > part of his MSN account from his computer but not all of the data we need | > can be reached by that method. | > | > Despite legal papers giving us access to his estate and all records MSN is | > stone walling. | > | > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to access | > that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? | > | > Regards | > | > FP | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com | > | > | > | | | Does MSN send the new password to a second email address if you request it? | Or is it the security question stuff only... | | Damn shame MSN is causing hassle. Any body got any relations at CNN? I | have a few at the BBC ;) But won't carry much weight across the pond. | Could start a massive blog campaign, but then we all know MS are deaf. There was no alternative email and they wont' send the pass word to the original account. As to CNN et al I'm not trying to set the world on fire or even burn down the forest I just want to help keep my friends estate warm. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 9 07:21:42 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 9 09:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ping Pop and MikeE References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Just sayin', fellahs, but... You can't cancel posts any longer. My ISP EL's newsservers also don't honor cancels, and most of the time in a propagated environment it doesn't really do any good anyway. This newsserver was one of the few where it was somewhat useful. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 10:17:30 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue May 9 09:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] "Employment status" Message-ID: <4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net> I recently opened an account with an online brokerage who shall remain nameless to protect the guilty. Yesterday, I get a letter in the mail from them asking to confirm the account information, and to send them any corrections. Well, under "employment status" for me was "unemployed", and for my wife was "homemaker". (As opposed to "employed" and "self-employed".) Of course, under "unemployed" is the name of the company I work for. So, I look at the back of the page, where they provide a form to make corrections, and find: Employment status: ( ) Unemployed ( ) Homemaker ( ) Retired ( ) Student That's right... Those are the only choices. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 9 10:28:15 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Tue May 9 09:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ping Pop and MikeE References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BDCEAC43FATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Just sayin', fellahs, but... You can't cancel posts any > longer. I mean, > sure, you can send a cancel request, but nothing tends to > happen afterwards > (except, perhaps, in your own newsreader). > > At the time, there was a very good reason for changing things > to work that > way... Now, well, yeah. Sometimes I wish I could cancel, too. > But I'm > not JT... > > c Thanks, c; I didn't know that. Live 'n' learn I guess. Pop From mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com Tue May 9 09:36:09 2006 From: mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Tue May 9 09:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The RAT Message-ID: Subject: Rat ( This is bad...but really really funny !!!) A man walked into a curio shop in Galveston Texas. Looking around at the exotica, he noticed a very life-like, life-size bronze statue of a rat. It had no price tag, but it looked so striking that he decided he must have it. He took it to the owner and asked "How much is the bronze rat?" "Twelve dollars for the rat, a hundred dollars if you bring it back," said the owner. The man gave the shop owner twelve dollars. "I'll take the rat; And I won't be bringing it back." As he walked down the street carrying the bronze rat, he noticed that a few real rats had crawled out of alleys and sewers, and began following him down the street. This was a bit disconcerting, so he began to walk a little bit faster. Within a couple of blocks, the group of rats behind him grew to over a hundred, and they began squealing. He started to trot towards the Harbor. He took a nervous look around and saw that the rats numbered in the thousands, maybe in the millions, and they were all squealing and coming towards him faster and faster. Terrified, he ran to the edge of the water and threw the bronze rat as far out into the Harbor as he could. Amazingly, the millions of rats all jumped into the water after it, and were drowned. The man walked back to the curio shop. "Aha," said the owner, "You're bringing it back !" "Actually no," said the man. "I came back to see how much you want for that little bronze Mexican over there mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Tue May 9 10:17:47 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Tue May 9 10:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: "Employment status" References: <4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net... SNIP > > That's right... Those are the only choices. Sure it wasn't a PHISH? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 13:08:28 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue May 9 12:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: "Employment status" References: <4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <4460BE7B.85A2A57F@spamcop.net> Berny wrote: > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net... > SNIP > > > > That's right... Those are the only choices. > > Sure it wasn't a PHISH? Not unless they already know my account number with the brokerage, my date of birth, my wife's date of birth, employer's name, etc. etc. etc., which are on the form. That, and it states that I should mail any corrections to the same address, or fax to the same number, that's posted on the brokerage's website. And the letter is dated "April 28", and not the 1st. And here are some other forms, available directly from their website, with the same options: http://www.tdameritrade.com/forms/ATI189.pdf http://www.tdameritrade.com/forms/ATI2334.pdf -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 13:14:54 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue May 9 12:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] [Media] 'Botmaster' gets 57 months in prison Message-ID: <4460BFFE.8C375628@spamcop.net> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/05/09/botmaster.sentence.reut/index.html LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- A 20-year-old who prosecutors say highjacked computers to damage computer networks and send waves of spam across the Internet was sentenced on Monday to nearly five years in prison. [...] He was sentenced to 57 months in prison and three years of supervised release by U.S. District Judge Gary Klausner, who also ordered him to pay $15,000 in restitution to the U.S. Naval Air Warfare Center in China Lake, California, and forfeit to the government some $60,000 in illicit gains. [...] -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Tue May 9 14:14:36 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Tue May 9 14:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [Media] 'Botmaster' gets 57 months in prison References: <4460BFFE.8C375628@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-833492.12293909052006@frylock.local... > In article <4460BFFE.8C375628@spamcop.net>, > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > spam > > That belongs somewhere other than .social Try down the hall... > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Strange, I thought the charter was for anything off topic in spamcop, spam, mail help or test. to include rants, and interesting news. The OP while about spam was. strictly speaking OT in the spamcop group which is about parsing, being blocklisted etc. Now, I haven't looked at the charter for a while but has that changed? to be anything but spam related? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 15:22:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 9 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: "Employment status" References: <4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > > Employment status: > > ( ) Unemployed > ( ) Homemaker > ( ) Retired > ( ) Student > > That's right... Those are the only choices. None of which are likely to have money to invest in a trading account! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 15:25:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 9 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: "Employment status" References: <4460966A.3E1C06F3@spamcop.net> <4460BE7B.85A2A57F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > And the letter is dated "April 28", and not the 1st. > > And here are some other forms, available directly from their website, > with the same options: I have two Amtrade accounts and did not receive anything of the kind when they switched over to TD Waterhouse/Ameritrade...just go an information snail mail saying that there wouldn't be any changes in anything except that transaction fees were dropping from $10.99 to $9.99/trade. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 15:34:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 9 14:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The RAT References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BE9298B3EECTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "mikeyhsd" ! > > > Subject: Rat ( This is bad...but really really funny !!!) > > Well, that's an interesting way of phrasing things. I don't think that it > reflects very well... Trollboi must be getting loney. Let's not feed him...... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 9 16:35:48 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Tue May 9 17:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: VOiP reviews? References: Message-ID: $25/month plus some taxes and inevitable fees would save me about $7/month if I switched from Qwest to Vonage. There is another one, that is less expensive yet - SunRocket they call it. A $199 buys a year of service with all the same bells and whistles that Vonage has to offer, and the price already includes all the taxes. Anybody had first hand experience with them? As ever, - Maggie's Mom. "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message But, hey, if someone is doing > this to save money, why go with Vonage? They -are- more expensive than > others. From dfmanno at mail.com Tue May 9 20:33:41 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue May 9 19:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal Message-ID: My DME guy delivered the oxygen machine Friday night. Here it is Tuesday evening and it doesn't seem to have done a damn thing except for the tube wrapping itself around my legs when I try to get into bed. I actually feel _worse_ now than I did Friday. I woke up this morning and promptly had a coughing fit and the dry heaves. The weather has turned damp and chilly, so my arthritis is acting up. Every movement hurts. I don't know if I've mentioned it here, but I'm trying to get into a long-term inpatient program to deal with my multiple health problems. I found out Friday that if I go in, I lose my apartment (because it's Section 8 and you have to actually live in the unit to keep it). Homelessness is my number one fear, bar none. I've been homeless. I hated it. Now I have a choice of staying sick and keeping my home, or getting better and living on the streets. The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between wanting to get an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and wanting to get a fifth of Jim Beam and take all the pills in my house. Life's a bitch. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed May 10 00:46:58 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue May 9 19:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-39E027.19334109052006@news.cesmail.net: > The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between > wanting to get an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and wanting > to get a fifth of Jim Beam and take all the pills in my house. Well I'm on the other side of the same problem.... It's easy for me to say, but try to hang in there. Maybe try to find a support group near you that can send someone to visit with you? If you go thru an inpatient program, wouldn't they have to find you a place to live before releasing you? Maybe you would end up in a better neighborhood. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 9 21:08:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 9 20:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The RAT References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > I dunno - you can gargle this address and come up with a lot of things. I > suppose, if we were going to be thorough, we'd check all of the dates and > such, but I CBA, ya know? I came up with someone already in my killfile, since I didn't see the original, so nuff said. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Tue May 9 21:24:55 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Tue May 9 23:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [Media] 'Botmaster' gets 57 months in prison In-Reply-To: References: <4460BFFE.8C375628@spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > It's been tradition as long as I've been around (five years or so) > that we don't talk about the s word in .social. Different S-word. "Slammer". And think of the kind of socializing he'll be able to do in said slammer! Oooo, a hot date tonight! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 10 09:46:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 10 08:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > My DME guy delivered the oxygen machine Friday night. Here it is > Tuesday evening and it doesn't seem to have done a damn thing except > for the tube wrapping itself around my legs when I try to get into > bed. I actually feel _worse_ now than I did Friday. Have you called the doctor/agency and told them? That doesn't sound normal. > > I woke up this morning and promptly had a coughing fit and the dry > heaves. The weather has turned damp and chilly, so my arthritis is > acting up. Every movement hurts. Do you have allergies too? This weekend with the rain and all the pollen I was hacking up a storm. > > I don't know if I've mentioned it here, but I'm trying to get into a > long-term inpatient program to deal with my multiple health problems. > I found out Friday that if I go in, I lose my apartment (because it's > Section 8 and you have to actually live in the unit to keep it). > Homelessness is my number one fear, bar none. I've been homeless. I > hated it. Now I have a choice of staying sick and keeping my home, or > getting better and living on the streets. That's fscking insane. Typical government bullshit. > > The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between > wanting to get an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and > wanting to get a fifth of Jim Beam and take all the pills in my house. I know of which you speak.........unfortunately......and I don't have any magic words for you to make you feel any better. I had another Lyme IBS "event" the last two days, felt the same way, and had another panic attack over it (a mild one, thankfully)......my new doctor kind of killed off what positiveness I had left when he told me my inflammation(s) could go on for many more months. But I feel like a pussy when I whine about what I'm going thru.....it pales in comparison to what you've faced in your life and are facing now....just keep talking to us .social folks, ok? We do care, if you didn't know that already. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 10 10:52:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 10 10:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-39E027.19334109052006@news.cesmail.net... > > The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between wanting to get > an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and wanting to get a fifth of Jim > Beam and take all the pills in my house. Sorry to hear about your troubles, depression is understandable. I did some snooping, assuming this is the program you're under: http://www.pha.phila.gov/housing/Housing_Choice/Housing_Choice_Voucher_Program.html They say you have to start with a one year lease, which presumably you have, so can they kick you out if you need temporary treatment? What does the lease say? Do you know if there's a waiting list for new apartments? The also say: HUD regulations for the voucher programs permit PHA to terminate assistance to participants if any household member or guest does not abide by the following family obligations during assisted tenancy: "Supply any information requested by PHA to verify that the family is living in the unit or information related to family absence from the unit.: "Promptly notify PHA in writing when the family is absent from the unit for an extended period of time in accordance with PHA policy." That would lead me to believe that if you informed them you were going for temporary treatment, they couldn't kick you out, depending on what their "PHA policy" is. It just plain does not make sense that they would kick a disabled person out of their apartment when they need treatment for the whole damn reason they're there in Section 8 housing. Do you have any lawyer friends or available free legal resources to help you get through the lease requirements and not lose your apt? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed May 10 14:57:51 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed May 10 10:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:e3snb1$v2q$1@news.spamcop.net: > ....just keep talking to us .social folks, ok? We do care, if you > didn't know that already. > hear, hear!! From me at privacy.net Wed May 10 19:03:50 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 10 18:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > I don't know if I've mentioned it here, but I'm trying to get into a > long-term inpatient program to deal with my multiple health problems. I > found out Friday that if I go in, I lose my apartment (because it's > Section 8 and you have to actually live in the unit to keep it). > Homelessness is my number one fear, bar none. I've been homeless. I hated > it. Now I have a choice of staying sick and keeping my home, or getting > better and living on the streets. My neighbor has just retired from the 4 county agency that deals with those issues. I'll check with her and let you know what I find out. From skiwi at spamcop.net Wed May 10 22:50:23 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Thu May 11 00:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: [snip] > My neighbor has just retired from the 4 county agency that deals with those > issues. I'll check with her and let you know what I find out. 'We' may chatter about BS, whine about this and that, bemoan the current administration (e.g., W just gave Jeb his 'endorsement'! ), but when it counts people such as FP and many others truly try and help... Thanks to you all for being decent human beings... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 11:45:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 11 10:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97C06B135A67ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > At 6:17 AM today... So, there you have it, then... We could do with a few more details, you......... From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 12:51:13 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 11:55:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" < | | "Charles" < | > At 6:17 AM today... So, there you have it, then... | | We could do with a few more details, you......... If you had them, what would you do with them? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 11 17:30:36 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 11 12:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e3vmlq$m6n$2@news.spamcop.net: > > "Spamvireslayer" < >| >| "Charles" < > >| > At 6:17 AM today... So, there you have it, then... >| >| We could do with a few more details, you......... > > If you had them, what would you do with them? > She'd find a wife? ;-) From bseymour at spamcop.net Thu May 11 11:20:03 2006 From: bseymour at spamcop.net (Barry Seymour) Date: Thu May 11 13:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: I'm probably one of those parents. However, I live in LA. Our school is a block away, but even that is too far to let my eight-year-old walk without us going into a paranoid fit. It's a big, busy street and it's F***ING LA. Sad. Same thing regarding 'go out to play.' I used to do that when was a kid, but I lived in Michigan's Upper Peninsula (forest out the back door) in a small town and it was the Sixties. (Which means the Fifties since it was such a backwater area. Heck the Sixties didn't arrive there until 1972!) I wish I *could* just let 'em ride their bike and/or walk to school, I wish they *could* just 'go out and play.' It's a sad and scary world. "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3gb59$2h9$1@news.spamcop.net... "indigo" wrote in message news:e3galv$26p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No, I meant coddle. Meaning no adversity, they don't have to work to do > things they want to do. Got soccer practice? Ride your bike or walk, the > exercise will be good for you. Too many parents wait on their kids hand and > foot and drive themselves insane in the process (and the marriage suffers). > Spoiling is buying them everything they want. Not really, spoiling is also not making them get off their increasingly fat arses and walk or ride their bikes, or at least go outside and play. From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 15:04:16 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Barry Seymour" wrote in message news:e3vrq6$pjr$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e3gb59$2h9$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message news:e3galv$26p$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > No, I meant coddle. Meaning no adversity, they don't have to work to do | > things they want to do. Got soccer practice? Ride your bike or walk, the | > exercise will be good for you. Too many parents wait on their kids hand and | > foot and drive themselves insane in the process (and the marriage suffers). | > Spoiling is buying them everything they want. | | Not really, spoiling is also not making them get off their increasingly fat arses and | walk or ride their bikes, or at least go outside and play. | I'm probably one of those parents. However, I live in LA. Our school is a block away, but even that is too far to let my | eight-year-old walk without us going into a paranoid fit. It's a big, busy street and it's F***ING LA. Sad. | | Same thing regarding 'go out to play.' I used to do that when was a kid, but I lived in Michigan's Upper Peninsula (forest | out the back door) in a small town and it was the Sixties. (Which means the Fifties since it was such a backwater area. Heck | the Sixties didn't arrive there until 1972!) | | I wish I *could* just let 'em ride their bike and/or walk to school, I wish they *could* just 'go out and play.' It's a sad | and scary world. It's much the same all over. Too many dangers that kids are not and cannot be equipped to handle by themselves. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 15:48:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 11 14:55:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97C0805639AFBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns97C06B135A67ETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >> At 6:17 AM today... So, there you have it, then... > > > > We could do with a few more details, you......... > > Like, whoa, when boys are born they have huge testicles! Ahem. You had me at "when BOYS are born". Thanks for ruining my lunch. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu May 11 19:55:57 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu May 11 15:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Barry Seymour on 11/05/2006 wrote: >I'm probably one of those parents. However, I live in LA. Our school is a >block away, but even that is too far to let my >eight-year-old walk without us going into a paranoid fit. It's a big, busy >street and it's F***ING LA. Sad. So you get your car out, drive one block in rush hour traffic, drop your kid off and drive back in rush hour traffic. Just how many miles does this one block stretch? What about a short morning stroll with your kid meeting and chatting to other kids parents doing the same thing on the way to school. If no one else does it them maybe you can start a trend through example telling people you are doing your bit for the environment and giving your kid and yourself a gentle bit of exercise at the same time. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 16:20:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 11 15:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97C08040EDE20TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was JohnL ! > > "Frog Prince" wrote in > > news:e3vmlq$m6n$2@news.spamcop.net: > >> "Spamvireslayer" < > > >>| We could do with a few more details, you......... > >> > >> If you had them, what would you do with them? > > > > She'd find a wife? > > You know, of course, that what you've said there is quite funny... I didn't get it...... From dfmanno at mail.com Thu May 11 17:01:59 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 11 16:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > (because it's Section 8 and you have to > > actually live in the unit to keep it) > > That crazy? People can't go on vacation, or be admitted to the > hospital without losing their apartment? If I lived in the area, I'd go > turn your lights on and off for you. Can you get automated timers? I called the agency myself today and spoke to my caseworker there. According to her, I can keep the apartment for six months (as long as I pay the rent and provide proof that I have been hospitalized). After six months the Sec. 8 assistance can be terminated. She didn't say it definitely would be terminated, though, only that it could. (And I suppose I could keep the apartment even then by paying the full market rent, although that wouldn't be practical because the full rent is roughly 5/7ths of my monthly income.) I was told that the minimum stay in the program is four months, and could be extended to as much as 12. I suppose if I told the hospital program about the apartment situation they could discharge me after six months if I'm making progress. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From dfmanno at mail.com Thu May 11 17:12:31 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 11 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: In article , JohnL wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > > > The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between > > wanting to get an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and wanting > > to get a fifth of Jim Beam and take all the pills in my house. > > Well I'm on the other side of the same problem.... > It's easy for me to say, but try to hang in there. > > Maybe try to find a support group near you that can send someone to visit > with you? I've been assigned a visiting psych nurse to fill the gap until I'm admitted to the program. But we've been having logistical problems. I can't seem to make him understand why it's unacceptable for him to come to my home at the same time my aide is here. One, it's a confidentality issue, and two, if he comes while my aide is giving me my bath, for example, who's supposed to sit and twiddle their thumbs while the other is doing his/her job? Until the last two weeks or so, he also didn't understand why he couldn't call me in the morning to make an appointment to see me the _same_ day. The visit before last he said he'd be here at 10am. He showed up at 11:20am and stayed for all of 10 minutes, said he was sick. The last time the appintment was for 9:30am. I was awake. No one rang the bell or knocked on the door, and then I get a call accusing me of dodging him and saying he was here and did ring the bell and knock on the door. So now they think I'm lying. I'd like to ditch the guy, but the agency trying to get me into the hospital said that I have to work with this guy in the interim. The "or else" was unspoken. > If you go thru an inpatient program, wouldn't they have to find you a place > to live before releasing you? Maybe you would end up in a better > neighborhood. They said they would, but I was on the priority waiting list for housing for over a year when I got this apartment. If it takes another year after discharge, where do I stay in the meantime? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 11 21:39:55 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 11 16:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Feeling blind Message-ID: Once upon a time, in a nice little forest, there lived an orphaned Bunny and an orphaned snake, by a surprising coincidence, both were blind from birth. One day, the bunny was hopping through the forest, and the snake was slithering through the forest, when the bunny tripped over the snake and fell down. Oh, my," said the bunny, "I'm terribly sorry. I didn't mean to Hurt you. I've been blind since birth, so, I can't see where I'm going. In fact, since I'm also an orphan, I don't even know what I am." It's quite ok," replied the snake. "Actually, my story is as yours. I too have been blind since birth, and also never knew my mother. Tell you what, maybe I could slither all over you, and work out what You are so at least you'll have that going for you." Oh, that would be wonderful" replied the bunny. So the snake slithered all over the bunny, and said, "Well, you're covered with soft fur, you have really long ears, your nose twitches, and you have a soft cottony tail. I'd say that you must be a bunny rabbit." Oh, thank you, thank you," cried the bunny, in obvious excitement. The bunny suggested to the snake, "Maybe I could feel you all over with my paw, and help you the same way that you've helped me." So the Bunny felt the snake all over, and remarked, "Well, you're smooth and slippery, and you've a forked tongue, no backbone and no balls. I'd say you must be a team leader, a supervisor or possibly someone in senior management." From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 14:46:52 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Feeling blind References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > I'd say you must be a team leader, a supervisor or possibly > someone in senior management." Ha! -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu May 11 21:49:36 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 11 16:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-9BE121.16123111052006@news.cesmail.net: > They said they would, but I was on the priority waiting list for > housing for over a year when I got this apartment. If it takes another > year after discharge, where do I stay in the meantime? Maybe an idea here.... (a little sneaky, but so what) If you get into the program and they want to keep you for more than 6 months, maybe they can release you on "Home Leave" for about a week or two at the 6 month mark so you can re-establish residence and then re-admit you for another 6 months if necessary. That worked for my mother in Calif when she had to go in for re-hab. As for the visiting psych nurse, keep good records of what he does wrong. Also maybe write a formal letter to the agency detailing the problems. Even if they don't do anything, you have proof that you are on top of things and are trying to get help. From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu May 11 17:23:59 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu May 11 19:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: Better him than another Clinton.. "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-546651.14422311052006@frylock.local... > > > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 16:46:22 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu May 11 19:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <4463948E.2A56BEC5@spamcop.net> Barry Seymour wrote: > > I'm probably one of those parents. However, I live in LA. Our school > is a block away, but even that is too far to let my eight-year-old walk > without us going into a paranoid fit. It's a big, busy street and it's > F***ING LA. Sad. Any reason you can't walk with your kid to school? [...] > I wish I *could* just let 'em ride their bike and/or walk to school, I > wish they *could* just 'go out and play.' It's a sad and scary world. [...] I don't suppose "move away from LA" is an option? There are still places in this country where you can do such things. The only reason I wouldn't have my kids walk to school is that, even though it's "only" about 3/4 of a mile, it's 1/2 a mile down one of the town's two main streets, and there is no sidewalk on that street. The town (actually a "hamlet") does not have a police department, relying on the state police instead. We do, however, have our own fire department and ambulance corps. (We joke that if you call "911" for help, they'll be there before you dial the second "1".) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From dfmanno at mail.com Thu May 11 21:16:04 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 11 20:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: In article , "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: > Better him than another Clinton.. Giuliani will never get the nomination. He's too liberal on the "moral values" issues (e.g., opposed to a ban on intact dilation and extraction, opposed to a federal ban on gay marriage). That just won't sit well with the Christian right and the other social conservatives who dominate the GOP primaries. Not to mention that to a lot of people a vowel at the end of the name automatically means mob connections. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 01:29:50 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 11 20:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-7B0D68.20160311052006 @news.cesmail.net: > Not to mention that to a lot of people a vowel at the end of the name > automatically means mob connections. You mean that's not true??? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 22:00:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 11 21:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Feeling blind References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C09530FAD87innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > I'd say you must be a team leader, a supervisor or possibly > someone in senior management." LOL.....that snake sounds familiar..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 11 22:11:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 11 21:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C0BC2BCCB98innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-7B0D68.20160311052006 > @news.cesmail.net: > > > Not to mention that to a lot of people a vowel at the end of the name > > automatically means mob connections. > > You mean that's not true??? > SHHH! He's one of THEM...... From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 23:24:30 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 23:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C0BC2BCCB98innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfmanno-7B0D68.20160311052006 | @news.cesmail.net: | | > Not to mention that to a lot of people a vowel at the end of the name | > automatically means mob connections. | | You mean that's not true??? | My God Father is bigger than your God Father. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 04:39:39 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu May 11 23:40:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e40teb$dmf$1@news.spamcop.net: > My God Father is bigger than your God Father. Maybe, but mine is meaner. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 05:32:03 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 00:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] How old am I Message-ID: Three mischievous grandmas were sitting on a bench outside a nursing home. About then a grandpa walked by, and one of the old grandmas yelled out saying, "We bet we can tell exactly how old you are." The old man said, "There ain't no way you can guess it, you old fools." One of the ornery grandmas said, "Sure we can! Just drop your under shorts and we can tell your exact age." Embarrassed just a little, he dropped his drawers. The grandmas stared at him for a while, asked him to turn around a couple of times, asked him to jump up and down for a little while and then they all piped up and said, "You're 84 years old!" "How in the world did you guess?!?" The ornery old grandmas, snickered and laughed. Slapping their knees and grinning from ear to ear, all three happily yelled in unison, "Because we were at your birthday party yesterday. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 05:47:10 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 00:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Newly Married Message-ID: SECRETS TO A HAPPY MARRIAGE A couple had only been married for two weeks. The husband, although very much in love, couldn't wait to go out on the town and party with his old buddies. So, he said to his new wife, "Honey, I'll be right back." Where are you going, Coochy Coo?" asked the wife. "I'm going to the bar, Pretty Face. I'm going to have a beer." The wife said, "You want a beer, my love?" She opened the door to the refrigerator and showed him 25 different kinds of beer, brands from 12 different countries: Germany, Holland, Japan, India, etc. The husband didn't know what to do, and the only thing that he could think of saying was, "Yes, Lollipop.... but at the bar...you know... they have frozen glasses... " He didn't get to finish the sentence, because the wife interrupted him by saying, "You want a frozen glass, Puppy Face?" She took a huge beer mug out of the freezer, so frozen that she was getting chills just holding it. The husband, looking a bit pale, said, "Yes, Tootsie Roll, but at the bar they have those hors d'oeuvres that are really delicious...I won't be long. I'll be right back. I promise...OK?" "You want hors d'oeuvres, Poochie Pooh?" She opened the oven and took out 5 dishes of different hors d'oeuvres: chicken wings, pigs in blankets, mushroom caps and pork strips. "But my sweet honey...at the bar....you know, there's swearing, dirty words and all that..." "You want dirty words, Cutie Pie? "LISTEN UP DICKHEAD! SIT YOUR ASS DOWN, SHUT THE HELL UP, DRINK YOUR DAMN BEER IN YOUR DAMN FROZEN MUG AND EAT YOUR FRICKING HORS D'OEUVRES BECAUSE YOUR MARRIED ASS ISN'T GOING TO A FRICKING BAR!THAT SHIT IS OVER... GOT IT, ASSHOLE?" ...and, they lived happily ever after. Isn't that a sweet story? From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 09:26:58 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 08:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C0DC5AB991Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e40teb$dmf$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > My God Father is bigger than your God Father. | | Maybe, but mine is meaner. Mine keeps alligators in the back yard and their always hungry. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 12 10:34:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 12 09:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] I don't know who's leaking this stuff... Message-ID: .... but their timing is bloody brilliant! http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/12/politics/main1613877.shtml Lawmakers have been demanding information from the Bush administration about the NSA's efforts to collect records on millions of Americans' phone calls. The data includes the phone numbers at both ends, and the time and date of the connections, but the NSA does not listen to the calls or record them, and does not pick up names or addresses, CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports. The disclosure, reported in Thursday editions of USA Today, could complicate President Bush's bid to win Hayden's confirmation, and put the White House on the defensive, Plante reports. Judiciary Committee member Senator Joe Biden, D-Del., told CBS News' The Early Show that he thinks the disclosure will hurt chances for Hayden to be named the new head of the CIA. "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls without court approval," said Mr. Bush, without confirming the NSA program. "We're not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans." From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 15:08:29 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 10:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e41vhn$13b$1@news.spamcop.net: > Mine keeps alligators in the back yard and their always hungry. Mine wears alligator shoes ( LIVE alligator shoes) From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 11:24:03 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C152D409A9Ainnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e41vhn$13b$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > Mine keeps alligators in the back yard and their always hungry. | | Mine wears alligator shoes ( LIVE alligator shoes) It's COLD where you live so perhaps these alligator shoes are the biological equivalent of cement over shoes? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 12 11:22:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 12 10:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Gas prices Message-ID: Went up .14 overnight. This is after them going down to 2.79 and then creeping back up to 2.85 this week - now, just before the weekend, 2.99. What's driving the price change, anyone? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 08:33:30 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 10:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Went up .14 overnight. This is after them going down to 2.79 and > then creeping back up to 2.85 this week - now, just before the > weekend, 2.99. What's driving the price change, anyone? Premium at my corner station is $3.599 - but my geographic area is 'anomalous' even for the state of CA. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 15:33:35 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 10:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: More on Giuliani References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:e425q8$4sp$1@news.spamcop.net: > It's COLD where you live so perhaps these alligator shoes are the > biological equivalent of cement over shoes? Our alligators are so tough, they use icicles for toothpicks. (and if you flip them over and rub their backs on the ice, they make GREAT snow cones) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 15:34:28 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 10:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in news:e426bo$58s$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Premium at my corner station is $3.599 - but my geographic area is > 'anomalous' even for the state of CA. Where are you? Near Baker??? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 11:07:18 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 13:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Premium at my corner station is $3.599 - but my geographic area is >> 'anomalous' even for the state of CA. > > Where are you? Near Baker??? San Diego County, CA. CA gasoline, especially in those counties with emission control 'blends' which change with the seasons, often find themselves with the distributors buying their gasoline from less competitive sources [as if there were any competition these days]. In addition, the distribution networks for narrow channels [the channels for CA gasoline are narrower than the channels for non-CA gasoline] tend to be more limited -- even tho' San Diego is a 'big' metro area, it gets its distro from LA. Each distribution 'excuse' for jacking up the price is taken advantage of by some fractions of a dollar, as exemplified by premium gas typically costing 40? more a gallon than reg, and SD gas costing some 20? more than LA, and CA gas costing some 25? more than some other state etc etc. In reality, each of those boosts should be only worth a cent or five instead of some number of dimes. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri May 12 18:16:38 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri May 12 13:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in news:e42fc3$b8o$1 @news.spamcop.net: > JohnL wrote: >> "Mike Easter" > >>> Premium at my corner station is $3.599 - but my geographic area is >>> 'anomalous' even for the state of CA. >> >> Where are you? Near Baker??? > > San Diego County, CA. > Still got you beat here.... Went down just a bit to $1.049/liter = $3.97/gallon. But British Columbia is higher yet... $1.217/liter = $4.606/gallon !!! Guess it's not long when it will be over $5/gallon up here. :( From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 12 15:01:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 12 14:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] I was hoping this WAS an urban legend Message-ID: circuitous route, but he profits nonetheless. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp Extract taken from the 18th edition of the Magazine, HEALTH, [April 2006] - written by Jose Antonio Campoy. Did you know that the avian flu virus was discovered 9 years ago in Vietnam? Did you know that in all these years the number of people who have died >From it has scarcely reached the 100 mark? Did you know that it was the Americans who signalled the effectiveness of Tamiflu as a prophylactic measure ? Did you know that Tamiflu is scarcely capable of relieving some symptoms of common influenza ? Did you know that its effectiveness has been questioned by the majority of the scientific community ? Did you know that Tamiflu is hardly capable of countering any illness related to an ALLEGED mutant virus like H55NI? Did you know that, as at today's date, avian flu only affects birds ? Do you know who marketed TAMIFLU? The ROCHE Labs. Do you know from whom ROCHE bought the patent for TAMIFLU in 1996 ? GILEAD SCIENCES INC. Do you know who was the Chairman of GILEAD SCIENCES INC and is still its main shareholder today ? DONALD RUMSFELD, the present USA Defence Secretary. Did you know that the basic ingredient of TAMIFLU is Star Anise ? Do you know who is left with 90%of the world production of this ? ROCHE. Did you know that the sales of TAMIFLU exceeded 254 million in 2004 and more than 1000 million in 2005? Do you know how many more millions ROCHE stands to gain if it continues with this fear campaign ? In short, it is fair to say the following : Bush's friends decide that a product like TAMIFLU is the solution for a pandemic which has not yet happened and which has caused to date only 100 deaths worldwide. This drug doesn't even cure common influenza. The virus does not affect man in normal conditions. RUMSFELD sells the TAMIFLU patent to Roche who pay him a fortune. ROCHE acquire 90% of the production of star anise, the basis of the antivirus. The world's governments threaten a pandemic and buy industrial quantities Of the product from ROCHE. We end up paying for the medication and Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush do the business............ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri May 12 13:25:14 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Fri May 12 14:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message : (...) What's driving the price change, anyone? Not "what". "Who". Bush. As ever, - Maggie's Mom. From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 15:16:29 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 14:40:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97C172BA0DA0Ainnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Mike Easter" wrote in news:e42fc3$b8o$1 | @news.spamcop.net: | | > JohnL wrote: | >> "Mike Easter" | > | >>> Premium at my corner station is $3.599 - but my geographic area is | >>> 'anomalous' even for the state of CA. | >> | >> Where are you? Near Baker??? | > | > San Diego County, CA. | > | | | Still got you beat here.... | Went down just a bit to | | $1.049/liter = $3.97/gallon. | | But British Columbia is higher yet... | $1.217/liter = $4.606/gallon !!! | | Guess it's not long when it will be over $5/gallon up here. :( I've figured out how to (partially) run my vehicles (and lawn mower) on a mix of regular gas and propane. Which is neat as my son has a deal to up grade propane tanks (used on BBQ and RVs). Most come at least 1/2 full of propane. (process won't last as at some point all the propane tanks will be converted but in the mean time ...) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 12 15:37:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 12 14:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Sprogness References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97C0A7090898DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > > Ahem. You had me at "when BOYS are born". Thanks for ruining my lunch. > > You are the one who asked for more details. Sheesh. I mean, I didn't even > get into descriptions of meconium... Please don't! Congrats, by the way.....hope everyone's doing fine. Was it a home birth? From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 20:43:48 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri May 12 14:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > > Still got you beat here.... > Went down just a bit to > > $1.049/liter = $3.97/gallon. > > But British Columbia is higher yet... > $1.217/liter = $4.606/gallon !!! > > Guess it's not long when it will be over $5/gallon up here. :( I saw it going for ?1.04/litre when I was up in Skye. That seemed super expensive to me. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 12 21:05:27 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri May 12 15:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Feeling blind References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:e40n5m$ad9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > LOL.....that snake sounds familiar..... > Hmmm...... Really?!? ;-) From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 21:06:26 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri May 12 15:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wow... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > The plagiarism just doesn't stop - now she's accused of ripping off a third > book - canceled her book deal too, hope she hasn't spent the money yet..... > she certainly worked very hard doing all that copying. Cracks me up, plagiarizing chick lit. Most of those seem to be written by a computer program anyways. I mean how could you really tell? So, my chick lit book is going to go, girl and boy are in love, boy meets another girl and leaves, girl is shocked and surprised, girl falls apart, girl goes out drinking a lot with the girls (in trendy places like Camden), girl is a total mess, girl decides to do something rash (moving to the Third World to take care of orphans/mountain climbing/move in with parents) where she doesn't have access to all her normal beauty things (insert brand names here), girl has a hard time but starts to adjust and finds an inner strength, girl doesn't really need a guy. Meanwhile, boy starts to learn that the grass isn't so green on the other side of the fence and starts to have regrets. Girl meets the nice new guy and while still holding out hope for the old guy, starts falling for the new one. Things become nice. Old guy comes crawling back, girl wavers momentarily, almost takes him back, but then goes back to the new nice guy and resists rubbing it into old guy's face. Girl and new boy live happily ever after. The end. Can I have my billion dollar advance now? From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 21:22:54 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri May 12 15:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight In-Reply-To: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Canopus wrote: >> Technomage Hawke on 01/05/2006 wrote: >> >>> well, there is one form of rationing that will work. its called "market >>> price". if the price goes up (say $5.00/gallon), the folks will bitch more, >>> but buy less..... >> It's over ?5 per gallon in many parts of the UK now and it doesn't work. >> Still the same amount of school-run-mums driving their kids a few hundred >> yards to school. > > ObMovieReference: > > "The Gods Must Be Crazy" > > One of the opening scenes is a woman driving her car to the end of > the driveway to pick up the mail from the mailbox there, and then > back up the driveway into the garage. "LA Story" - Steve Martin jumps into his car and drives 10 feet to get to the neighbor's house. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 12 17:21:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri May 12 16:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wow... References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:e42mbi$fu2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Can I have my billion dollar advance now? It's not quite worth a billion dollars, you didn't even work 'brazilian waxing' once into the whole treatment...back to the drawing board for you. From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 20:05:08 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 19:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The O2 isn't helping and I'm suicidal References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | > | > > The depression is just getting worse. I go back and forth between | > > wanting to get an Uzi and start shooting random passersby, and wanting | > > to get a fifth of Jim Beam and take all the pills in my house. | > | > Well I'm on the other side of the same problem.... | > It's easy for me to say, but try to hang in there. | > | > Maybe try to find a support group near you that can send someone to visit | > with you? | | I've been assigned a visiting psych nurse to fill the gap until I'm admitted to | the program. But we've been having logistical problems. I can't seem to make him | understand why it's unacceptable for him to come to my home at the same time my | aide is here. One, it's a confidentality issue, and two, if he comes while my | aide is giving me my bath, for example, who's supposed to sit and twiddle their | thumbs while the other is doing his/her job? | | Until the last two weeks or so, he also didn't understand why he couldn't call | me in the morning to make an appointment to see me the _same_ day. | | The visit before last he said he'd be here at 10am. He showed up at 11:20am and | stayed for all of 10 minutes, said he was sick. The last time the appintment was | for 9:30am. I was awake. No one rang the bell or knocked on the door, and then I | get a call accusing me of dodging him and saying he was here and did ring the | bell and knock on the door. So now they think I'm lying. | | I'd like to ditch the guy, but the agency trying to get me into the hospital | said that I have to work with this guy in the interim. The "or else" was | unspoken. | | > If you go thru an inpatient program, wouldn't they have to find you a place | > to live before releasing you? Maybe you would end up in a better | > neighborhood. | | They said they would, but I was on the priority waiting list for housing for | over a year when I got this apartment. If it takes another year after discharge, | where do I stay in the meantime? Checked with the neighbor lady her recommendations: a) check with your social worker b) there is no reason to require you to have both at the house at the same time. c) there is no reasons that you must accommodate the personal needs of either if it is to your disadvantage. d) check with the second 8 coordinator for you area. My recommendation: If they give you too much sh|t consider calling your congresscritter's local office for assistance in 'how to handle address the matter/problem' From six.million at dollar.man Fri May 12 20:08:47 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Fri May 12 19:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e425ua$4up$1@news.spamcop.net... > Went up .14 overnight. This is after them going down to 2.79 and then > creeping back > up to 2.85 this week - now, just before the weekend, 2.99. What's driving > the price > change, anyone? Greed? From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri May 12 21:23:17 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri May 12 21:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: dwåcôn did pass the time by typing: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote ... >> Went up .14 overnight. This is after them going down to 2.79 and then >> creeping back >> up to 2.85 this week - now, just before the weekend, 2.99. What's driving >> the price >> change, anyone? > > Greed? The market economics of fear. -- DougW From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Sat May 13 14:53:40 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Sat May 13 07:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Canopus wrote on Thu, 11 May 2006 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC): > What about a short morning stroll with your kid meeting and chatting > to other kids parents doing the same thing on the way to school. Unfortunately it's more likely to be a short morning stroll coughing and spluttering in the exhaust fumes of other parents' cars than an excuse to chat with other parents. > If no one else does it them maybe you can start a trend through > example telling people you are doing your bit for the environment and > giving your kid and yourself a gentle bit of exercise at the same > time. Nice idea. I don't know how long it would take to catch on, though. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat May 13 13:56:00 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat May 13 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: An unusual sight References: <445A29EF.EB6C7F3@spamcop.net> <445B7A65.F83F5C67@spamcop.net> Message-ID: D-W-S on 13/05/2006 wrote: >Unfortunately it's more likely to be a short morning stroll coughing and >spluttering in the exhaust fumes of other parents' cars than an excuse >to chat with other parents. Probably. As I said elsewhere many parents use their car on the school run for only a short distance. On many occasions I've asked them why they do it and always have the reply that the traffic is too bad to walk. Being a driver of a school bus I see the difference between school time and when schools are off, during school time the traffic load is easily triple due to the school runs so school-run-mum runs her kids to school due to the traffic being so bad due to school-run-mums running their kids to school...a never ending cycle which will only come to an end when school-run-mum cannot run her kids to school due to roads being totally snarled up. Things cannot go on like this forever. A modern high tech mass transit system is no longer a luxury for towns, it's becoming a necessity and will probably have to be centrally funded no matter what the cost to the tax payer. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From dfmanno at mail.com Sat May 13 17:43:34 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 13 16:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls without > court approval," said Mr. Bush, without confirming the NSA > program. "We're not mining or trolling through the personal > lives of millions of innocent Americans." LIAR! -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From dfmanno at mail.com Sat May 13 17:46:30 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 13 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > Went up .14 overnight. This is after them going down to 2.79 > and then creeping back up to 2.85 this week - now, just before > the weekend, 2.99. What's driving the price change, anyone? In some areas there are restrictions on how often stations can raise prices. For example, rest areas on the N.J. Turnpike can only raise prices once a week. -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 17:24:20 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno did pass the time by typing: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls without >> court approval," said Mr. Bush, without confirming the NSA >> program. "We're not mining or trolling through the personal >> lives of millions of innocent Americans." > > LIAR! GW's statement was not entirely accurate, but not exactly a lie. The U.S. already has high court approval to tap phones under certain circumstances. The focus is on calls going to known terrorist countries or organizations. Even with the DIA/NSA computer power there is no way to listen to all calls that are made. The numbers are used to establish calling patterns, the calling patterns are used to identify people of interest and then, if necessary, court orders are sought. The problem comes in who is defined as a "person of interest." Let's face facts. The U.S. Gov is not going to tell the media what they are doing with regards to national security for the same reason the police don't tell news papers information on undercover police officers. Simply, the public can not be informed because it endangers the security of the operation and the personnel involved. -- DougW From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat May 13 19:36:51 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat May 13 21:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: That may be true what you've said in the last paragraph.. but to me it's bullshit. For that matter, I think MOST national security excuses are bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.. *sigh* That's not likely to change anytime soon though. :( Chris "DougW" wrote in message news:e45iq3$5aa$1@news.spamcop.net... > GW's statement was not entirely accurate, but not exactly a lie. > The U.S. already has high court approval to tap phones under > certain circumstances. > > The focus is on calls going to known terrorist countries or organizations. > Even with the DIA/NSA computer power there is no way to listen to all > calls > that are made. The numbers are used to establish calling patterns, the > calling > patterns are used to identify people of interest and then, if necessary, > court > orders are sought. > > The problem comes in who is defined as a "person of interest." > > Let's face facts. The U.S. Gov is not going to tell the media what they > are doing with regards to national security for the same reason the police > don't tell news papers information on undercover police officers. Simply, > the public can not be informed because it endangers the security of the > operation and the personnel involved. > > > -- > DougW > From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 21:41:45 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 21:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby did pass the time by typing: > That may be true what you've said in the last paragraph.. but to me it's > bullshit. For that matter, I think MOST national security excuses are > bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.. *sigh* That's not likely to change > anytime soon though. :( It's an unfortunate truism that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. -- DougW From dfmanno at mail.com Sat May 13 23:06:17 2006 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 13 22:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: In article , "DougW" wrote: > D.F. Manno did pass the time by typing: > > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > >> "The government does not listen to domestic phone calls > >> without court approval," said Mr. Bush, without confirming > >> the NSA program. "We're not mining or trolling through the > >> personal lives of millions of innocent Americans." > > > > LIAR! > > GW's statement was not entirely accurate, but not exactly a > lie. The U.S. already has high court approval to tap phones > under certain circumstances. > > The focus is on calls going to known terrorist countries or > organizations. Even with the DIA/NSA computer power there is no > way to listen to all calls that are made. The numbers are used > to establish calling patterns, the calling patterns are used to > identify people of interest and then, if necessary, court > orders are sought. The NSA is collecting records on hundreds of millions of phone calls _within_ the U.S. Are you seriously contending that each and every one of them involves a terrorist organization? Bush has lied about getting court approval for wiretaps already (the wiretaps without FISA warrants). There's every reason to believe he's lying again. And as for "not mining or trolling," does he or you seriously expect us to believe that he's collecting all that information and doing nothing with it? -- D.F. Manno | dfmanno@mail.com Had enough? Vote Democratic! From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 22:39:15 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 22:40:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno did pass the time by typing: > "DougW" wrote: >> GW's statement was not entirely accurate, but not exactly a >> lie. The U.S. already has high court approval to tap phones >> under certain circumstances. >> >> The focus is on calls going to known terrorist countries or >> organizations. Even with the DIA/NSA computer power there is no >> way to listen to all calls that are made. The numbers are used >> to establish calling patterns, the calling patterns are used to >> identify people of interest and then, if necessary, court >> orders are sought. > > The NSA is collecting records on hundreds of millions of phone calls _within_ > the U.S. Are you seriously contending that each and every one of them > involves a terrorist organization? No, I never said such a thing. I said they are used to establish calling patterns that can be tied to terrorist countries OR organizations. Terrorist organizations (cells) and terrorist support structures exist within the U.S. > And as for "not mining or trolling," does he or you seriously expect us to > believe that he's collecting all that information and doing nothing with it? Of course not. They are doing data analysis on the numbers and noting those that come from or go to numbers previously associated with terrorist organizations, or "persons of interest." I also believe they are keeping the records for years and using other sources of information like the credit companies and major private intel warehouses like ChoicePoint. Quite frankly I am more worried about these private companies that the Government since the private companies operate without guidance and tend to have whoppingly huge leaks of private information. Software tools such as ADAM http://www.saic.com/datamining/data-analysis.html are in common use to find fraud and criminal activity. Banks and transactions are monitored. Point of fact, any transaction $10,000 or greater is reported to the DEA/IRS by your bank as a part of the war on drugs. There is a great perception of privacy where none actually exists. All sorts of personal information is bought and sold on a daily basis by major corporations. Actually if you have a credit card there is an amazing amount of information you can buy about anyone. The only way to remain truly private is to use cash only, make your calls from Pay-As-You-Go mobile phones where you can buy refills for cash, ride a horse, and live in a tent somewhere in southwestern Montana. -- DougW From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sun May 14 00:03:48 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sun May 14 00:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: David Dean did pass the time by typing: > In article , > "DougW" wrote: > >> No, I never said such a thing. I said they are used to establish calling >> patterns that can be tied to terrorist countries OR organizations. > > And that doesn't sound like a fishing expedition to you? I never said it wasn't. And just how do you propose they catch the terrorists before they strike again? -- DougW From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 14 11:14:00 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 05:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > David Dean did pass the time by typing: >> In article , >> "DougW" wrote: >> >>> No, I never said such a thing. I said they are used to establish calling >>> patterns that can be tied to terrorist countries OR organizations. >> And that doesn't sound like a fishing expedition to you? > > I never said it wasn't. > > And just how do you propose they catch the terrorists before they strike again? > I wouldn't have a problem with anyone recording ALL phone calls no matter what. I would have a problem if those recordings were used in the wrong way. Just because I phone my parents up and say that Tony Blair is a complete wassock, doesn't entitle them to use that against me. But if I phone up my parents and explain my plan to blow up parliament including Tony Blair, then one would hope something would be done about it. It is up to us, Joe Public to make sure that no misuse of that data happens, but you can't blame them for doing everything in their power to stop crimes. We don't really know if the data from phone calls is being collected so it can be analysed 'offline'. We don't know what happens to the data after it has been 'used'. We also don't know if that data has been misused. Don't get me wrong, I am under no illusion that some misuse will occur, but then that makes those doing it no better than the criminals they are claiming to be after. But I would rather go after them for breaking the law, than stop them from collecting the information in the first place. I can bet that if another 9/11 'type inciddent' occurred and it transpired that they used the national telephone network (fixed or wireless) to organize and plan it because they knew it cannot be recorded, there would be outcry. Gone are the days when 'we' know who the terrorists are/were and concentrate our efforts on tracking known targets in an effort to stop attacks. Now it could be anyone in our community that becomes involved? How the heck are we supposed to find and stop them. I have nothing to hide, but my family to protect, so when I look at my rights to have a personal conversation with someone, I would waive that right if it increased the chance of preventing an attack that could ultimately harm them.. So I don't give a damn who is listening or watching me, I only give a damn if they start misusing that info. So far, I have no evidence of misuse. Just look at the number of attacks in the UK that have been thwarted due to 'covert' operations that we would have considered a breach of our privacy. Ultimately, the choice is yours, I personally waive my rights to privacy in order to protect those around me. From me at privacy.net Sun May 14 10:42:20 2006 From: me at privacy.net (NotMe) Date: Sun May 14 10:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The president's favorite sandwich! References: <1147570993.689284.177830@d71g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <16Wdnagv872NgvrZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@insightbb.com> Message-ID: http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=20771 this guy is great! http://www.thismodernworld.com/ From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sun May 14 11:34:55 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sun May 14 11:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: David Dean did pass the time by typing: > In article , > "DougW" wrote: > >> And just how do you propose they catch the terrorists before they strike >> again? > > I'm not the best person to ask, but there is no excuse for ignoring > the Constitution to do it. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent them from doing what they are doing now. Only certain court decisions have established the right to privacy as a basic human right and thus protected under the 9th amendment. But the case law is not all encompassing. The 3rd and 4th for search and seizure apply primarily to private property. It's still up to the court to determine if the search was proper. If it wasn't, no information gathered from or due to that search would be admissible in court. Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." "unreasonable" is the grey area. The argument of Constitutionality is moot. Phone records are property of the phone company, they are not private records. Food for thought, email is the same. Unlike snail-mail there are no privacy protections afforded to email that ISPs are not willing to fight for. -- DougW From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 14 16:31:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 14 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Happy Spring..... Message-ID: not...... we've had nothing but heavy, steady rain since Friday night and it's still pouring buckets. Worst I've seen in ten years, since the last time they closed all the roads around me. Nice living on a hill, but unfortunately you can't go anywhere! http://www.wmur.com/news/9211677/detail.html# From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 14 22:04:49 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 16:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> but you can't blame them for doing everything in their power to >> stop crimes. > > I *can* blame them for going above and beyond their Constitutional > powers no matter what the reason. > One of the things I most admired the US about during my time over there and the reason why I will be moving back as soon as possible was it's willingness to change for what it felt for the good. (It got it wrong a few times). I really don't mean this as a troll, but can't it be the case that times have moved on so much that maybe the constitution needs to be changed. As far as I am concerned, criminals don't have a right to nothing, and for them to be able to hind behind the likes of you and me because we refuse to give up some of our rights, just doesn't sound right. I do admit that the chance of them using the recorded information for things other than intended is great, and hope that it would be policed in such a way to reduce that problem (it will never go away though as this is real life and I accept that). But its a trade off between the fight against criminal activity and giving up some of my rights. I have a right to say what I like about who I like, but I don't have a right to commit crime. If my 'crimes' are recorded, detected, traced and I am caught as a result, then thats a win for the rest of society. If I am allowed to carry on with my illegal activity then that can't be good for society. It is I am afraid down to who we trust more, the authorities to do the right thing, or the criminals not to do anything. (Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who can't distinguish between the two groups there). I don't ever want to see another WTC or London Underground, or Madrid and anything that helps prevent that is worth some loss of my rights. There has to be some give and take. Again, if the abuse of that power ever gets too great, I'd be the first to say 'shut it down' and cease. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 14 17:51:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 14 17:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Happy Spring..... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > Well, poop! I'd love some rain! Like, now! Like, lots! Please! I, uh, > started 3 bonfires and, um, it is not quite as wet out as would be ideal... > But only 3 of them got out of control... I have, since, safely > extinguished one of them, one is soon to go away on its own and the third, > well, it looks like it will burn for a few more days at least... That sounds kinda nuts to be starting bonfires when it's so dry where you are. Look at our "storm total" rainfall. http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/radar.php?product=NTP&rid=BOX&loop=yes JAYSUS! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Sun May 14 23:12:45 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 17:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> As far as I am concerned, criminals don't have a right to nothing, and >> for them to be able to hind behind the likes of you and me because we >> refuse to give up some of our rights, just doesn't sound right. > > That might be true once they are convicted of a crime, but until then > they should be treated just like innocent citizens. It is wrong to > assume people are criminals. > They are not assuming they are criminals. Do you recommend that all policemen wear blinkers and ear defenders to stop them looking at innocent people? Only when a crime is committed may they then walk up and accuse them of doing something wrong? How would the policeman know? Just because they are recording your phone conversation does not make you a criminal, nor does it imply that you are one. It's not as if they are going to listen to each and every call, it will go through the system until 'keywords' are picked up automatically then be given a look at. It's not going to care if I am talking to my mistress, talking dirty to my wife, phoning a chat line, slagging off the Prime Minister/President Shrub. But the instant I start phoning someone asking if they can get hold of a 6 year old virgin girl that I can 'photo' at the weekend, or 'please can I order 3 of your very best AA Missiles and have them delivered to the parking lot at Dulles International', then I would hope the authorities would be knocking at my door before I put the damn phone down. I'd hardly call protecting my way of life a threat (i.e the freedom to actually 'slag off' the prime minister, the freedom to have a mistress and the freedom slag off my wife).. I fully understand your concerns, but don't agree it is an infringement of anybodies rights, and even if it were, then in this age, those rights need amending... From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 00:11:24 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 18:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> They are not assuming they are criminals. > > Yes they are. Police should not investigate lawful activity. So the cops at the Yankees game must watch the game and the game only until someone phones them to tell them there is a crime in progress. Next time I'm at a game and policeman looks at me, I can sue his arse off for 'investigating me'. Or was he simply using his powers of observation to look for crimes in progress. Unfortunately, while he is looking for the pick-pocket, or the drug purchase, or the attempted mugging, or whatever, he is going to look at an awful lot of innocent people in his view. Who cares if the policeman looks at me? Hell, no one does. So what difference is it if someone or more importantly some 'thing' happens to scan a chance conversation I have? > >> Do you recommend that all policemen wear blinkers and ear defenders to >> stop them looking at innocent people? > > If people are dumb enough to commit crimes in public, they have no > reasonable expectation of privacy. When I call my wife, any reasonable > person would expect that conversation to be private. Your call is in private, its between you and your wife. Unless that is you are planning to stick a few lbs of TNT under Buckingham Palace in which case an automated piece of kit might detect it and flag it for further scrutiny. Its got nothing to do with privacy. Heck if I can trust my wifes Gynecologist not to go down the golf club afterwards and tell everyone she has acute angina(*), you would think I could trust an agency to be discreet with my phone logs. I must admit that my faith in 'the' agency not to screw up isn't exactly at a high level of confidence. Only those with something to hide have something to fear. > >> Just because they are recording your phone conversation does not make >> you a criminal, nor does it imply that you are one. > > It is an unlawful search unless they have probable cause. > How about the probability that they are going to catch someone and prevent them from blowing you up. The chances of you getting caught up by a few planes crashing down again is pretty remote, but the chances of a nuke or dirty bomb wiping out 100's of 1000's is a damn site higher all the time we don't do everything we can to try and halt them. The next time it won't be a few 1000', it'll be worse than the boxing day Tsunami except it'll be in the US and/or Europe. The threat wasn't so real back then 'the law' was written. If it is that much of a sticking point, then the law sucks and needs to change. (*) old joke From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Sun May 14 23:21:20 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sun May 14 18:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote in news:e489u4$mea$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Heck if I can trust my wifes Gynecologist not to go down the golf club > afterwards and tell everyone she has acute angina(*) > > (*) old joke > _Very_ old joke. ;-) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 01:11:07 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 19:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> So the cops at the Yankees game must watch the game and the game only >> until someone phones them to tell them there is a crime in progress. > > That is a public place, no one has an expectation of privacy at > Yankee Stadium. Depends on your personal description of the word. > >> Its got nothing to do with privacy. > > Not according to the Supreme Court. A bunch of old farts not in touch with the real world of 'today' > >> Only those with something to hide have something to fear. > > What if the thing you have to hide isn't illegal? How about the > homosexual who is afraid of being fired for being gay? If their private > calls were made public record, they could very well be harmed. That would be a failing of the system in order for that to happen. No more so than the police breaking into your house, dragging you off to the police station only to be a case of mistaken identity. Shit happens. Hopefully there are rules in place to stop it happening, (and more likely, to stop it happening when it does). But that shouldn't happen and would be IMHO collateral damage in the the greater cause. Collateral damage was invented by the US, can't be nothing wrong in employing in it this case. > >> How about the probability that they are going to catch someone and >> prevent them from blowing you up. > > You don't understand what probable cause means. If the police raid > everyone's house, there is a high probability that they'll catch some > criminals. I hope you aren't suggesting that they do that. Each > individual search must meet that criteria, not the sum total of them. You're talking chalk and cheese. Two different actions. If you wanted to use the same analogy, it would be like knocking on everyone door and asking if there was a crime in progress and is everything ok? Only entering if the person answering stated there was something wrong, or they saw something in progress. There is nothing wrong with knocking. Or like the police patrolling your neighborhood looking for crime in progress. Have you not noticed that where they no longer patrol, crime rates have gone through the roof. All they are doing is patrolling your 'phone conversations', they don't stop and listen to each and everyone. An algorithm searches for hits and only flags it for extra scrutiny when required. Got to admit, it could all go pear shaped if ABC ever bring out a show called "People Say the Funniest Things" as sponsored by the NSA/CIA/FBI etc, but really, is that going to happen. You might get the odd one or two disgruntled employee sneaking out a conversation, but his arse is toast when he gets caught. Hell, you haven't banned all Postmen just because a few lost it. Collateral... > >> The threat wasn't so real back then 'the law' was written. >> If it is that much of a sticking point, then the law sucks and needs to >> change. > > Yes it was. You're forgetting why there was a revolution in the first > place. The British government was forcing itself upon the people in ways > that were viewed as unreasonable. We're not talking about just a law, > but the Constitution. > hmmm. I don't seem to remember the US getting on the phone to the UK during our little dispute back then when the constitution was being read. Wait, maybe they did it via email, or IM, or direct video link. Bugger me, I forgot, there wasn't any of that stuff around back then when they wrote it. Of course, having the great foresight that they did, they wrote it with the future in mind. Its change that people fear most. People fear change more than a threat on their very lives. I understand where you are coming from and sympathise with you, but we have to move with the times, as sad as they are. When the majority of the US and the UK wake up to the fact that there is a world out there and 90% of it hates our guts, they might sit up and take notice of the threat that is very real and ever present. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 02:03:51 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 20:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >>> That is a public place, no one has an expectation of privacy at >>> Yankee Stadium. >> Depends on your personal description of the word. > > No, it is settled law. The Supreme Court has ruled on it. Its a legal argument, nothing is decided. All based on prior fact, i.e. history, ancient history. Laws change, as do the time we live in. Not at the same rate. The argument you offer is what 'if' the data is misused. Lawyers could argue probably cause as grounds for the argument. > >> A bunch of old farts not in touch with the real world of 'today' > > They are 1/3 of our government. They are an essential check and > balance to the power of the President and Congress. The need to be in > touch with the law and the Constitution, not the whims of the people. > You really don't understand our system of government if you dismiss them > out of hand like that. > Not dismissing them at all, just their unwillingness to keep up with the 'changes over time'. Far too much is made out of politics than common sense. It will take another disaster to wake up all those in both our counties who have their heads firmly inserted in the past. By then it will be too late. If you have nothing to hide, then what do you stand to lose? You gain security? You lose what? Weird how people can accept breaking the 10 commandments which have been around for a few years more, but can't agree to changes in a document which has been around for a fraction of the time. Ok, so a majority might not be religious, but is there no where in your mind that says that the constitution might be wrong/outdated or open to change? Does the 'Right to bear arms' include Nukes? Or does that little section refer to the caliber and type of gun around at the time. Can I make it known that I have a couple of megatons worth of Nuke sat in my house in Texas to defend myself? ( I have a red phone connected directly to my tenants) Or is it that we chose how 'we' want to apply each section as it suits us. I'm sure when they wrote that part about 'arms' they didn't envisage half the weapons and firepower that would be available today. But rules were made in parallel to the 'constitution' to prevent that sort of action. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 02:14:55 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Sun May 14 20:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Chris Wright ! > >> Only those with something to hide have something to fear. > > Welcome to 1984. Like, whoa. So, a bit on the conservative side, then, > are you? 1984 was fiction. I am neither conservative nor anything else. I look after my own interests (which these days my family are included in those). Anything I can do to increase the safety of my family I will consider. (Note I say consider) I don't vote Labour because my dad voted Labour and his dad voted Labour etc etc. I don't vote LibDems because of the same reasons as above, nor do I vote Conservative. I vote for which ever party has the best policy that yields the benefit to myself (and now my family). I have nothing to hide, I commit no wrong, but if I did, what argument do I have to oppose any action taken against me. I oppose the action of Guantanamo Bay, because that was just like throwing a net over a group of people and saying "Gotcha". Not all of them are guilty, and in my mind, if I were one of them being held, I'd be screaming blue murder. Because I am open to change, if a phone call I made that would prove embarrassing was released to the public and I suffered as a consequence, no doubt I would become anti-'it'. But then common sense would say that I would argue for the tightening of controls over the information, not the complete banning of the process. And if they couldn't be trusted or seen to be competent in handling the process, then yes, stop it until such time it can be controlled. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 15 14:58:14 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Mon May 15 01:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I was hoping this WAS an urban legend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > circuitous route, but he profits nonetheless. > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp > ... I think it is important that you read the rest of the page as well. From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon May 15 03:00:45 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon May 15 05:05:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Happy Spring..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > not...... we've had nothing but heavy, steady rain since Friday night and > it's still pouring buckets. Worst I've seen in ten years, since the last > time they closed all the roads around me. Nice living on a hill, but > unfortunately you can't go anywhere! > http://www.wmur.com/news/9211677/detail.html# so mentioning our Seattle 83 degree day tomorrow (hottest since 1958) and the 2nd driest May on record *so far* is maybe not appropriate? From turan.fe at t-online.de Mon May 15 12:09:46 2006 From: turan.fe at t-online.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Mon May 15 05:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: > now, just before the weekend, 2.99. Don't you ever complain about high petrol prices. In Germany you pay some 1.35 Euro per litre of regular unleaded. This amounts to 6.69 $ per US gallon. It seems the party is over and we should get used to bicycles and horses again - before the last gallon of oil has been burned. Turan From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 11:31:39 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 15 05:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> The argument you offer is what 'if' the data is misused. > > No, the argument I offer is that the government has already been > shown to misuse it's power. It is already illegal. The law is there for > a reason. The government does not need to have its power extended. > So vote the government out of office and elect someone you can trust. (ok, that in itself is a problem, since who trusts any government). From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 11:45:01 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 15 05:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Chris Wright wrote: > >> I oppose the action of Guantanamo Bay, because that was just like >> throwing a net over a group of people and saying "Gotcha". >> Not all of them are guilty, and in my mind, if I were one of them being >> held, I'd be screaming blue murder. > > But that is exactly what they're doing with the phone records, > casting a big net. > >> And if they couldn't be trusted or >> seen to be competent in handling the process, then yes, stop it until >> such time it can be controlled. > > You see, we can't trust our government to be competent in handling > the process, there has been abuse in the past. That is why we are > against it. Perhaps you should google: "COINTELPRO" > To both Charles and yourself... I don't have any objection to your reasons for not letting them have access and I share your concerns with the possible misuse of the list. Charles is saying that its becoming too big brother which again relates to the potential misuse of it. You are saying that it 'may' and in all probability 'is' against the constitution (unless some cleave government wig is capable of proving its not by the use of massive amounts of mumbo jumbo). Neither of those two points can I dispute. And nor should I wipe them from my concerns and dismiss them (and nor do I). All I am saying is that here and now, there is a threat. A major threat. Since I have nothing to hide, I don't care who is monitoring my calls if there is a chance that they will catch some criminal in the act. I consider the chance of them misusing the information less than the chance of them catching criminals in the act. But, if there was every such a time that the system was abused and misuse became apparent. I'd be standing next to the both of you calling for the whole damn thing to be shut down or whatever. Its sad that we even have to consider such actions in this age. I have 3 kids of 6,10 and 11 who I want to be able to grow up and I would consider anything that helps protect them even at the loss of some of my privacy/rights. Anyway, at the risk of going round in circles, time to exit this thread. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 11:46:13 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 15 05:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Chris Wright ! > >> Only those with something to hide have something to fear. > > Welcome to 1984. Like, whoa. So, a bit on the conservative side, then, > are you? You'll be telling me next that the Church is one big fraud. Doesn't the Da Vinci Code reach the cinema this weekend ? From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon May 15 12:07:10 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon May 15 06:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Chris Wright ! >> Charles wrote: >>> No way it was me! It was Chris Wright ! >>> >>>> Only those with something to hide have something to fear. >>> Welcome to 1984. Like, whoa. So, a bit on the conservative side, >>> then, are you? >> 1984 was fiction. >> >> I am neither conservative nor anything else. >> I look after my own interests (which these days my family are included >> in those). > > Right. Sounds pretty conservative to me. I maybe conservative in my views (according to your book), but I've voted Labour 5 times in the last 6 general elections. > > >> Anything I can do to increase the safety of my family I will consider. >> (Note I say consider) > ... >> I vote for which ever party has the best policy that yields the >> benefit to myself (and now my family). > > Sounds pretty short-sighted to me. In fact, it sounds awfully, um, what's > the word again? Ah, yes, conservative. Short sited? You must be one of the sheep then. Taking an extreme. Lets say your black. The Labour party come up with the plan to expel all non-whites from the UK. Now because your family has always voted Labour, and you have always voted Labour, your neighborhood has always voted Labour, you are still going to vote Labour even though you are going to get your ass kicked out of the country? Do you ever bother to stop and look at the policies that 'they' 'claim' to be bringing to government? Do you not weigh up which one benefits you, your business or just simply which has the better effect on your life and those closest around you? Or do you bitch an moan when you find out that you voted for a massive increase in your taxes, a lowering of your pension rights, the loss of jobs to overseas? Or do you just vote one party because its easier to just stick with one rather than find out what is actually going to benefit you. That is short-sighted. That is the power of choice. The ability to choose for oneself. i.e. not to align yourself to one party for the duration of your life. No government has ever got it 100% right no matter which side of the party line they tow. If they had done, we'd all be a happy bunch of campers and wouldn't be in half the crap the world is in now. So there is nothing wrong with looking at the options which is far from short-sightedness. > > >> I have nothing to hide, I commit no wrong, but if I did, what argument >> do I have to oppose any action taken against me. > > Whatever. And what wrong did the lawyer in Oregon commit? You know - the > one taken by the secret police for having bombed Madrid. So, hey, no > problem. Cool with me that they have your fingerprints - that won't affect > me at all. Or, whatever. But I'm done with this shit and I've barely > started. That was just the FBI making a huge fundamental cock up. Some one should get the ass whooped for it, safeguards put in place to make sure it doesn't happen again. A mistake against how many successes. When a mistake is made it is made public and the whole world knows. Thats the beauty of the Freeworld (think UK/US et all). In other countries, he and those around him making noise would disappear. Thats the part that helps protect us against such cockups. We only get to hear about the cockups because of that 'protection'. They can't release details of each and every success because that would jeopardize the effectiveness of future use of such methods. (Surely?). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 15 08:23:47 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 15 07:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gas prices References: Message-ID: "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote in message news:e49gh9$bif$1@news.spamcop.net... > > now, just before the weekend, 2.99. > > Don't you ever complain about high petrol prices. In Germany you pay some > 1.35 Euro per litre of regular unleaded. This amounts to 6.69 $ per US > gallon. > > It seems the party is over and we should get used to bicycles and horses > again - before the last gallon of oil has been burned. Again, that's an unfair comparison. How much of that 1.35 euros per liter is goverment taxes? NH's is .39, or was in 2002 http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html Seems to be, UK is the worst: http://www.opec.org/library/Special%20publications/pdf/2001.pdf From me at privacy.net Mon May 15 09:40:20 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 15 08:45:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Pay back is a MOTHER!! Message-ID: THE PERFECT DRESS Jennifer's wedding day was fast approaching. Nothing could dampen her excitement -- not even her parents' nasty divorce. Her mother had found the PERFECT dress to wear and would be the best dressed mother-of-the-bride ever! A week later, Jennifer was horrified to learn that her father's new young wife had bought the exact same dress! Jennifer asked her step-mother to exchange it, but she refused. "Absolutely not. I look like a million bucks in this dress, and I'm wearing it,"she insisted. Jennifer told her mother who graciously said, "Never mind, sweetheart. I'll get another dress. After all, it's your special day." A few days later, they went shopping and did find another gorgeous dress. When they stopped for lunch, Jennifer asked her mother, "Aren't you going to return the other dress? You really don't have another occasion where you could wear it." Her mother just smiled and replied, "Of course I do, dear. I'm wearing it to the rehearsal dinner the night before the wedding." NOW I ASK YOU - IS THERE A WOMAN OUT THERE, ANYWHERE, WHO WOULDN'T ENJOY THIS STORY? (unless she is THE step mother) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 15 10:13:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 15 09:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Ah, I needed that! Message-ID: Nice 4 day vacation at Ocean City. Shot my lowest 9-hole score ever on Friday (a 40), had a blast hanging out with my buds in the beautiful weather on some great golf courses, and got to spend Saturday night with