From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Jan 1 01:39:28 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Dec 31 20:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: Message-ID: Heidi on 31/12/2005 wrote: >So why do you think with this player, the video and the audio don't match >up? I can hear the audio fine, but the picture doesn't keep up, it's very >choppy. GRR. Oh gawd, that happened to me, but, everyone else on their forum seemed to have no problem. Are we the two unluckiest people in the world? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 00:42:38 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 00:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-F57EBD.16400729122005@news.cesmail.net... | For those of you who don't know, I'm disabled, use a wheelchair, and need help with daily activities. An agency provides me with an aide for four hours a day. | One aide works weekdays, two others alternate on the weekends. | | I recently discovered that the weekday aide has been stealing some of my | prescription medications, specifically the generic form of Vicodin. As you may know, that's a narcotic and a controlled substance. | | So I'm in a bind. I like this woman. She does her job well, going above and beyond the call of duty for me many times. If we're not friends, we're as close as can be considering that technically she works for me. She's a single mother with three kids, working two jobs to support them. | | The complicating factor is my lease. I live in federally subsidized housing. | Federal law makes me responsible for drug crimes committed in my home. Since the drug she's stealing is a controlled substance, she's committing a federal drug crime. As a result, if I turn her in to the cops, or if I turn her in to her employer and they turn her in to the cops, _I_ could be evicted. (The Supreme Court upheld an eviction in a similar case in 2002.) | | At the same time, I don't want to ignore it. If she's got a drug problem, I'm at risk, not to mention her family. And as I said, I like her, and I would want her to get help. | | I've got a call into legal aid to find out where I stand with respect to the lease, but with the holidays I don't expect a call back till after the 2nd. | | So what should I do? | -- | D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com | Just this moment (12:31 PM ET) got in from a long road trip to/from hell. Details later. I've a good friend I'll ask about this tomorrow (1, Jan) she deals with issue like this almost on a daily basis. My first concern is for D.F. because as soon as the source is blocked (regardless of how it is blocked -- locked box or the Law) he will become the bad guy. I've watched it happen all too many times in my volunteer work with hospice as such he is at physical risk from either the care giver or her down stream. And don't get too hung up on her being a single mom. I've seem single moms pimp out their 11-13 y.o. kids. (male and female) for beer money. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 00:47:19 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 00:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in message news:dp5ims$54n$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message | news:dp3tsv$8gp$2@news.spamcop.net... | > JohnL wrote: | > | >> | >> Now THAT is something I've always gone along with. ;-) | >> (see we CAN agree sometimes ) | > | > Damn, I hate when that happens...oh wait, you're John, not Bill....s'okay | > then! ;-) | > | > | > | hey we've agreed on stuff before sex and beer was there something else ... actually is there anything else? From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 00:50:54 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 00:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dp3q3j$6at$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | JohnL wrote: | > Also, one time we were going on a camping trip and I wanted to refill | > her meds. They had to get special permission from her doctor because | > we were refilling three days early. They really keep track of the | > pills around here. :) | | Same thing here. I once lost the bottle of valium I take for my lower back | pain while skiing (why the hell I took the whole bottle instead of one pill | with me I'll never understand), I couldn't get it refilled until the scrip | was up. Very lousy way to learn a painful lesson! Now, whenever I get any | quantity of anything, I put maybe 10 pills in a second bottle and carry that | around with me instead. Get a copy of the original scrip or have the drug store give you a smaller bottle with their ID and the drug name etc on the bottle. Without that if you are stopped for any reason you can be in a world of trouble. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Sun Jan 1 05:59:37 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sun Jan 1 01:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dp7qlv$aik$3@news.spamcop.net: > Get a copy of the original scrip or have the drug store give you a > smaller bottle with their ID and the drug name etc on the bottle. > Without that if you are stopped for any reason you can be in a world > of trouble. I always carry some of her pills with us when we go out and I keep them in a bottle that has all the info on it. This way if L.E. wants to check, all the info is there for them, tele nummber for the pharmacy, script number, Dr's name. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sun Jan 1 10:22:44 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun Jan 1 05:25:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: :) References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp3275$o3k$1@news.spamcop.net: > yeah there's defiantly a niche there if someone has the > time/resources to > do it, however no matter what type of cool case I could end up > creating, it would never hit it big in the gaming community, if > nothing else other than the fact that I absolutely, positively, > unequivocally refuse to sell a system with an AMD processor in it... > > > Bill > > Yowch.. I take it you had bad experiences with AMD processors? From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sun Jan 1 10:24:19 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun Jan 1 05:25:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dp3i66$1n1$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Erm, no thanks....I used to love Jack on the rocks, but it sure as hell > didn't love me....just one of those would give me a ripping headache the > next day....and I don't get hangovers from anything....else, I mean.... > > I hear ya on that.. Southern Comfort did me in good. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sun Jan 1 10:31:48 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun Jan 1 05:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "kram" wrote in news:dp412v$a8s$1@news.spamcop.net: > > I have not seen the movie at all ... somehow taking Adams' wordplay > and making it physically visible (as opposed to what *I* see when I > read the words) just doesn't appeal to me. How do you explain 'not > tea' on film? I am a lover of language and in every one of his books, > I have a few favorite passages that make me laugh out loud whenever I > read them. And I SEE what he is writing. > The movie was pretty good. To me the book enhanced the experience. It was interesting to see John Malkovich as Humma Kavula. Plus there are several "easter eggs" in the movie. If I remember correctly, one was on the Vogon homeworld. There was a room full of alien beings and one of the aliens was a robot which was the "Marvin" android from the old BBC tv series. :-) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 11:38:04 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 06:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Heidi on 31/12/2005 wrote: > >> So why do you think with this player, the video and the audio don't match >> up? I can hear the audio fine, but the picture doesn't keep up, it's >> very >> choppy. GRR. > > Oh gawd, that happened to me, but, everyone else on their forum seemed > to have no problem. Are we the two unluckiest people in the world? I get the same problem with other video players too. Generally I use mplayer and that happens there too. There are a number of things that could cause it. Video processing is more CPU intensive than audio, so if your computer is slow or bogged down, the video will generally lag behind the audio. Or the video might have been originally processed and compressed incorrectly, with the original camera sampling clock at a running slightly different rate than the PC processing one. Or if the video was processed using a low quality hardware/software combination, it could have gone out of sync there. Or it could have happened in all three places. My guess is it is probably the first one since if you rewind while you are watching it, it seems to resync and then slowly fall out of sync again as you watch it. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 11:58:33 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 07:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> Well, that's my point. Once you can take away rights based on some >> definition of who doesn't qualify for them, it just becomes a matter >> of how and who gets to define those who don't qualify anymore. > > So, w.r.t. the matter at hand, it is difficult to understand > how the current US administration can claim that some of its > actions do not apply if they take place at some remote > location. If we accept that some are above the law (i.e. the president) then I suppose it would follow that some will be below the law. I think that's the intent. As I keep seeing more, I'm becoming more convinced that the reasons behind so many of these different things like Gitmo, or the Arctic refuge drilling, or invading Iraq, or spying outside of the FISA, isn't so much that they are necessary but more that it is unacceptable to say they can't be done. Paul Street captured this sentiment pretty well recently: http://blog.zmag.org/index.php/weblog/entry/bush_to_america_i_dare_you_to_do_something_about_it/ From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sun Jan 1 12:34:52 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sun Jan 1 07:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote in news:slrndra5dh.vnu.nobody@127.0.0.1: > > On the contrary, I think you'll find they *did*. The DVD decoder can > be *sold* as an extra. > How far would it go? Look what happened to Intel Indeo. Some company purchased the rights and source code and it went from a free codec to one you have pay for. Now most of the movies (including stuff for the games) no longer use Indeo. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 08:54:08 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 08:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dp7qlv$aik$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "Bcs1" wrote in message > news:dp5ims$54n$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > | "indigo" wrote in message > | news:dp3tsv$8gp$2@news.spamcop.net... > | > JohnL wrote: > | > > | >> > | >> Now THAT is something I've always gone along with. ;-) > | >> (see we CAN agree sometimes ) > | > > | > Damn, I hate when that happens...oh wait, you're John, not > Bill....s'okay > | > then! ;-) > | > > | > > | > > | hey we've agreed on stuff before > > sex and beer was there something else ... actually is there anything else? > > LOL not really.... };O)~ Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 08:54:43 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 08:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Happy New year ALL Message-ID: };O)~ Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:03:04 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 08:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns973D602155348innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp5kj0$668$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> it's cool though, cause hell between trying to work, trying to live a >> normal life, and trying to do the other 9,999 things on the to-do list >> for today, I'd hafta make the same statement...... >> >>:) >> Bill > > Oh, so you're showing your age also???? > Yeah pretty much I guess... either showing my age, or showing how tired I am... either/or it's about the same wouldn't you think? LOL Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:07:11 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-6D6EA3.14443131122005@frylock.local... > In article , "Bcs1" > wrote: > >> that was the dude, who after so many years of being on the govmnt* dole >> came out and said he was faking the info to get the money right? >> >> wonder whatever happened to him? > > I think your talking about this guy: > > > It seems that he is in a bit of trouble now... > (didn't read the link yet) but if that's the one I'm thinking of he SHOULD be in heaps-o-trouble Bill From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 01:21:37 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | > Get a copy of the original scrip or have the drug store give you a | > smaller bottle with their ID and the drug name etc on the bottle. | > Without that if you are stopped for any reason you can be in a world | > of trouble. | | I always carry some of her pills with us when we go out and I keep them in | a bottle that has all the info on it. | This way if L.E. wants to check, all the info is there for them, tele | nummber for the pharmacy, script number, Dr's name. With out that data (in the states at least) it is clear probable cause to do most anything including tearing up your car. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:11:13 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-6D6EA3.14443131122005@frylock.local... > In article , "Bcs1" > wrote: > >> that was the dude, who after so many years of being on the govmnt* dole >> came out and said he was faking the info to get the money right? >> >> wonder whatever happened to him? > > I think your talking about this guy: > > > It seems that he is in a bit of trouble now... > Update: yeah that's one guy, and wasn't there another one too in the same situation?, or is my memory off a bit on that? /me shrugs Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:31:19 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns973D589ABB66ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Bcs1" ! > >> I'm not beating my head against the wall about it... and to be >> honest, I don't see the "goopers" getting hyper defensive about much of >> anything... but that's a different discussion..... > > Really? And El Shrubbo launching an investigation of the leak of his > illegal activities isn't being hyper defensive? Anyway, I think it's > carrying over into all of life including this ng. But, hey, that's me, > right? naw you're not alone ( least not as much as one might think) however the way the investigation is touted is again another of the mischaracterizations that I dislike............. it's, spurred by the leakage of certain information, but it's still a matter of top secret info ( regardless of the "item") being leaked, I mean, what if it's the next move that we are going to make against AQ that's leaked?, or the code to the door at the arms bunker in Iraq. Hell how bout next time the leaker just calls up the AQ headquarters and says "we've found your base, and will be there by 11:00 am tomorrow, when you're having your meeting"... That's the reason it should be investigated... it matters not what the information leaked was... It's like everyone wants to focus on the fact that GB's doing something they don't like, or is wrong, while completely overlooking the fact that a "top secret" issue was leaked to the press..... ( which by the way is also wrong)... anyway JMO...But, like I said, you're not alone bro.... Bill From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Jan 1 15:23:45 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:34:52 +0000 (UTC), Redstone coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> On the contrary, I think you'll find they *did*. The DVD decoder can >> be *sold* as an extra. > > How far would it go? Look what happened to Intel Indeo. Some company > purchased the rights and source code and it went from a free codec to one > you have pay for. Now most of the movies (including stuff for the games) no > longer use Indeo. As long as there are people sufficiently uninformed to go and *buy* software DVD players, there will be similarly uninformed people who will go out and purchase a codec for what is, after all, an open standard (MPEG2). Microsoft could be one supplier of such a codec. Others would be suppliers of Open Source versions. The problem with indeo was that it was purchased outright leaving no possibility for an Open Source equivalent. *THAT* is what killed it. -- Steve Recorded message on an answerphone: "This is not an answering machine, this is a telepathic thought-recording device. After the tone, think about your name, your number, and your reason for calling.... and I'll think about returning your call." From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:52:35 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 09:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: :) References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns973E1834D1200tinlc@216.154.195.61... > "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp3275$o3k$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> yeah there's defiantly a niche there if someone has the >> time/resources to >> do it, however no matter what type of cool case I could end up >> creating, it would never hit it big in the gaming community, if >> nothing else other than the fact that I absolutely, positively, >> unequivocally refuse to sell a system with an AMD processor in it... >> >> >> Bill >> >> > > > Yowch.. I take it you had bad experiences with AMD processors? > > > to the tune of several hundred dollars worth of CPU's and that's not counting the extra time/labor/replacement Intel CPUs for the customer's machines..... or the loss of a huge account.. :( which in and of it's self wouldn't have been so bad except for the "Oh well I'm sorry to hear that Sir, however I don't see how we can help you" answer from the AMD rep... (as recounted from one of my former partner's conversation with the AMD rep about 4 years ago) so haven't sold a new one since, and when I have had occasion to have a system that was upgraded here, and the left-over parts were AMD they got sold "as-is" to whoever wanted them, with no warranty at all. With that said, I wouldn't sell anything used that I hadn't hooked up to make sure it posted/worked, but I don't even build refurbs out of amd parts because I also offer a warranty on refurbished systems as well. So while it's been a few years, and AMD's products have improved (I think), I still don't sell them and probably won't, unless they wanna make an effort to show me that a. their product has improved and b.the guy who said they could help us at the time was wrong and they are willing to make up for it now. and with business being what it is today, I doubt they'll go the extra mile on "b." Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:03:21 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-E957E3.16223030122005@frylock.local... > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > >> Oh....my memory is failing me, I guess.....still, it's one of the seven >> letters, right? > > It was one of George Carlin's Seven words you can't say on TV. > eheh and yeah the one word shouldn't have even been on the list....it's such a friendly sounding word... it could be a nickname, like hey **** what's happening, or a snack food, or...... jeeez that brings back some memories.... anyway to the subject at hand..... isn't comedy central on a service that is a paid service?, I mean yeah, folks might find that ( or any other show on there) offensive, but didn't they willingly pay for it?, and don't those folks know that SP is going to do similar stuff in EVERY show?... I mean look at the previous episodes? I think the bitching and whining about it sucks... It's like watching "ghost stories" for 4 years, then calling to complain about the last issue cause it really scared you... it's a show about ghost FFS, you been watching it for years... didn't you know something in there might scare you? oh well JMO Bill From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:45:14 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | > | > The point is that we don't know what it is many of the "detainees" are | > supposed | > to have done. The administration won't tell them, their lawyers (if | > they're even | > allowed lawyers), the courts or the people. | > | > Secret charges in secret tribunals is Soviet-style totalitarianism, not | > U.S. | > justice. | > -- | | Fair enough Dom, and I do agree with that statement, I just don't agree that | terrorist / suspected terrorist, or the like have any rights to OUR laws and | OUR justice, since they seem pretty intent on destroying it..... The moment we abrogate the use of our law and the protection of our rights THEY have accomplished what they set out to do. Out form of government is based on openness and fairness. Recall the nightmare "I'm from the government, I have your best interest at heart"? Want a recent example of how that can get out of control? Think Katrina. Then compare that response to the pre election response in Florida. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 09:53:30 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | > | >> I'm not beating my head against the wall about it... and to be | >> honest, I don't see the "goopers" getting hyper defensive about much of | >> anything... but that's a different discussion..... | > | > Really? And El Shrubbo launching an investigation of the leak of his | > illegal activities isn't being hyper defensive? Anyway, I think it's | > carrying over into all of life including this ng. But, hey, that's me, | > right? | | | naw you're not alone ( least not as much as one might think) | | however the way the investigation is touted is again another of the | mischaracterizations that I dislike............. | | it's, spurred by the leakage of certain information, but it's still a matter | of top secret info ( regardless of the "item") being leaked, I mean, what if | it's the next move that we are going to make against AQ that's leaked?, or | the code to the door at the arms bunker in Iraq. Hell how bout next time the | leaker just calls up the AQ headquarters and says "we've found your base, | and will be there by 11:00 am tomorrow, when you're having your meeting"... | That's the reason it should be investigated... it matters not what the | information leaked was... | | It's like everyone wants to focus on the fact that GB's doing something | they don't like, or is wrong, while completely overlooking the fact that a | "top secret" issue was leaked to the press..... ( which by the way is also | wrong)... | | anyway JMO...But, like I said, you're not alone bro.... If you look at a parallel in business a NDA is considered unenforceable when the NDA constrains the disclosure of illegal activities or information that is a danger to the public. That's why there are whistle blower laws ( not enough nor effective enough). From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:05:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | >> | >> Fair enough Dom, and I do agree with that statement, I just don't | >> agree that terrorist / suspected terrorist, or the like have any | >> rights to OUR laws and OUR justice, since they seem pretty intent on | >> destroying it..... | >> | >> Bill | > | > You just don't get what so many of us are trying to convey to you, Bill. | > The | > moment we start violating OUR laws and OUR justice systems we cease being | > US. Bush has slyly created this grey area where suspects are not criminals | > or POWs, therefore he feels free to treat them any way he damn pleases. | > That's not the way I was taught our country was supposed to work, what I | > believe in, and it personally makes me mad and ill. WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACT | > BETTER THAN THIS! | > | > | No actually I get what you guys are saying, and believe it or not I do | agree, the only point that I'm trying to make is that if a person doesn't | abide by those laws/respect those laws/ or tries to destroy the people who | do/ or tries to destroy the institution that made/governs/manages ( or | whatever term makes the thing fit into my statement correctly for you) | doesn't in MY opinion deserve the protection/rights/services afforded by the | aforementioned laws... that's all, nothing more, nothing less. | | and yeah in some situations that could be looked at as a guilty until proven | innocent stance on it, but... if it saves the life of one American citizen, | or even the life of one innocent person... then ... I personally have no | problem with it.... The same logic has been used to justify medical experiments on blacks and the mentally defective. Basically they (and their lives) are of no accord. Ergo their use in medical experiments is justified by the greater good. Carried to the next level: the poor have limited valued to our economy so no point is spending big money on providing health care, a few die so what there will be more to replace them soon. (especially if we make sex education illegal) Change the laws allowing usery (29.9% APR is usery) to benifit the Banks and Credit card industry. Allow preditary lending and user fees, them change the personal bankrupcy laws to benfit the big boys. but but but allow big busienss to use the bankrupcy laws to rob folk of their pensions then transfer that 'low' bill to the tax payers. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:09:49 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > let them run their mouths for all I care, that's not the ones I'm | > talking about...... | > and to answer the question none to my knowledge, but surely you | > wouldn't have me believe that all AQ and their ilk has done is "talk" | > would you? | > | > Bill | | Muslim cleric != AQ | | Although everyone appears to assume as such. POTUS = religious fundamentalist with an attitude... which scares me a hell of a lot more. Wait isn't that also the definition of AQ? From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:13:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | | They support so-called "tort reform" at the state level. Should qualify they support tort reform on private actions they are OPPOSED B2B tort reform. Private action has been on a 10 year linear decline, B2B is increasing at a non linear function. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 15:48:37 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message >> I think your talking about this guy: >> >> >> It seems that he is in a bit of trouble now... >> > (didn't read the link yet) > but if that's the one I'm thinking of he SHOULD be in heaps-o-trouble The point being that the case for war was built on a single source. And a single source who had everything to gain in having this particular story believed. It either indicates really crappy intelligence work (slam dunk) on our part or that a single source of dubious validity was fine since it was all about justifications since the intelligence was cherry picked to justify what had already been decided was going to happen. If you are going to send 2000 Americans and who knows how many Iraqis to their deaths, well, they should really be ashamed of themselves. But anyways, metals of freedom for everybody. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:28:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | | I doubt it was a politician. It was probably someone in the intelligence | community who didn't like being put in a position to violate federal law. Some | people in government take their oaths seriously. I'm reminded of the Pentagon Papers and Deep Throat both involved the leaking of state secrets who's major reason for being secret in the first place was that they were politically detrimental to the then current administration. Child protective services in more than one state has attempted to use 'client confidentiality to hide gross incompetence. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:38:38 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | | > | > If indeed that was what NSA was doing, then there was no need for the | > executive order. The administration would have had sufficient grounds for a warrant | > under FISA. The FISA court rarely rejects an application for a warrant. | | that may be, but in approx 176 previous request the court modified the | request, and in certain situations that renders the request useless to the | requestor, especially in a "warlike" situation where the "probable cause" | and "stipulations" provided in a criminal law type setting do not apply, | especially when the actions are intended to be preventative, not information | gathering as they would be in the investigation of an already committed | crime. Bill, that's why it's called OVERSIGHT aka checks and balances. This admin has clearly show it has little regard for due process to the point where a sitting judge has resigned over the abuse he has observed. Recall the abuses by the FBI under Hover? Hover got away with it because he had the dirt on far too many powerful people basically he subverted the checks and balances. | I'm sure it will come out eventually who leaked the info, but unfortunately | I'm not at all inclined to think it would be for as noble a reason as your | guess as to ( a possible) why. Regardless of the real reason the information was leaked it was information that needed to see the light of day. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:42:44 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > right, however doesn't that apply to American citizens? because these | > people are surely NOT... IMO | | The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that the Constitution applies to all | persons in US Territory. IMO, it should apply to all persons in US | custody. Our government /should/ be bound by our Constitution regardless | of where it is acting. If you have faith in our system of government and the constitution it must be allowed, no compelled to treat all equally otherwise it's just a 'god damned peace paper'. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:47:19 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | >> Lawyers?, they're freaking war criminals, they don't deserve lawyers.... | >> | >> JMO | >> they deserve a 29 cent bullet between the eyes, and that's really too | >> good for them....... maybe, we could like put them in an old dilapidated | >> building, and set the demolition charges off in there, and just tell | >> them, "hey, if you live, you're free to go" | > | > If we ever go down that road, we'll have abandoned everything that | > the Constitution stands for. | > | | I agree that there are circumstances where abandoning those things would be | very bad, however it's my FIRM belief that our constitutional rights DO NOT | apply to the terrorist, in fact I also believe that any American who does | the kinds of things that T McV did also does not deserve any of those rights | either... The Constitution MUST apply to all otherwise it applies to none at the whim of someone with more power than you or I. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:49:52 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | > So you think we should bring freedom and democracy to Iraq (which is what | > the Shrub claims to be doing) by throwing them away in the U.S.? | | nope that's not what I said at all.. | | unless of course you're saying that "ALL IRAQIS" are terrorist, and if | that's the case then yes... beside the bullets are cheaper when you buy in | bulk.... | > | > Like Jay Leno said, maybe we should just give our Constitution to Iraq. | > We're not using it anymore. | | ehe well it's jay leno... nuff said | Recall that in Days of Old the Jester had special dispensation privileges to bring the King back to reality. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:11:43 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > isn't comedy central on a service that is a paid service?, I mean yeah, > folks might find that ( or any other show on there) offensive, but didn't > they willingly pay for it?, and don't those folks know that SP is going to > do similar stuff in EVERY show?... I mean look at the previous episodes? It isn't a paid/unpaid issue. You can't say those things on public airwaves on the broadcast channels because the FCC has jurisdiction over them and there are various laws and regulations which sort of spell out what is allowed and isn't allowed. (Ok, we will pretend for now that this part of it is all well defined and settled and all that.) Cable however, it doesn't use public airwaves and is kind of using the private property of cable companies to distribute the programming (ok, ignoring the whole issue of communities granting franchises and allowing the use of telephone poles and stuff like that.) The FCC doesn't regulate the content there (yet, they are trying to get it though) except maybe in terms of must carry rules. I guess for myself, I'm a bit surprised that Time Warner/Viacom, or whoever owns it now, let South Park air so much of what they have already aired. But I suppose it shows that money generally trumps morality objections. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:15:46 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Carried to the next level: the poor have limited valued to our economy so no > point is spending big money on providing health care, a few die so what > there will be more to replace them soon. (especially if we make sex > education illegal) Of course, all that wealth and the entire economy is built on those useless poor people. Without all those poor people working in the factories building the goods, for almost no money, there is no wealth. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 10:55:38 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: <7mai83-70p.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:7mai83-70p.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... | Miss Betsy wrote: | > | > You are absolutely correct that before conviction, everyone has the | > same rights. But after conviction, felons do lose some rights. | > Perhaps that's what Bill means when he says that they don't deserve | > any rights. | > | > And was it the Star Courts that, in part, created the American | > Revolution? My history is so bad. But whatever, those kinds of | > courts where rights are taken away before due process, is the most | > basic kind of unconstituationalism. | | So far, they don't even have rights before they are convicted. It has | been enough for the military (or other bodies) to capture somebody and | detain them as neither a prisoner of war or as a criminal charged with a | crime. Many of them have not been informed what crimes they have | committed, or have not been allowed to speak with an attorney, or have | had any sort of court appearance in which they were able to defend | themselves much less be convicted of some crime. It was enough that | somebody labeled them terrorist suspects to make them disappear into | detention for I guess about four years now. You know, Stalin did stuff | like that. | | Bill seems happy enough that if somebody (whoever that happens to be) | said they were terrorists (without actually proving it), that whatever | happens to them is fine with him and they don't deserve to have rights. | I'm a little more wary considering how we have seen the cover story | for Iraq change so many times as each of the old stories turns out to be | proven wrong. Recall the Army Chaplin who was a West Point Graduate. Held for how long, in solitary? Military claimed he had secret information on his lap top but HAD NOT EVEN CHECKED OUT WHAT WAS ON THE HDD. Opps, turned him lose then gave him a honorable discharge with full benefits. This happend under a set of rules that gave him due process just how much justice do you think would have happened under the rules this admin wants to follow as SOP? From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:00:35 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | > | > > I agree that there are circumstances where abandoning those things | > > would be very bad, however it's my FIRM belief that our constitutional | > > rights DO NOT apply to the terrorist | > | > Maybe so, but how about waiting to *prove* that suspect 'X' is indeed a | > terrorist before revoking his/her rights? | | | | Proof? We ain't got no proof. We don't need no proof. I don't have to show you | any stinking proof! | | /McCarthy hat/ Just by asking that question you show you are a 'fellow traveler with the X' select x= communist, AQ, terrorist, ... democrats, etc. if fact any who opposes the current rightious administration. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:03:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | >>> | >>> > If we ever go down that road, we'll have abandoned everything | >>that | >>> > the Constitution stands for. | >>> | >>> I think that horse has already bolted from the barn. (Gitmo?) | >>> | >> | >>The problem is that nobody has decided whether these are prisoners | >>of war (in which they are prisoners until peace has been declared), | >>war criminals (precedent is for them to be tried after they have | >>lost the war, not during the war), or regular criminals (with all | >>the rights of any accused murderer or gang member). | > | > How can there be a war? Only Congress can declare war, and even they | > can't declare war against an ideology or religion. | > | > This is a conflict, a police action, or some other euphemism, but not a | > war, therefore there can be no prisoners of war. | > | > ...Ken | | Ken | actually you are incorrect... we are at war against the terrorist groups | namely AQ, that group is neither an ideology or a religion, that group is | made up of living beings, who are intent on destroying our way of life, and | our freedoms..... how could ANYONE with half a brain say we are not at war? | ( nothing personal intended) | Lacking a Congressional declaration .... but then there's the mission accomplished speech. I remember the miss use of 'we're at war in the '60s to stifle dissent. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:22:27 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > I'm reminded of the Pentagon Papers and Deep Throat both involved the > leaking of state secrets who's major reason for being secret in the first > place was that they were politically detrimental to the then current > administration. > > Child protective services in more than one state has attempted to use > 'client confidentiality to hide gross incompetence. Aren't all of the papers from GW's time as governor, and his time at his various failed business ventures now all basically top secret and classified? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:40:02 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Bcs1" > | > Like Jay Leno said, maybe we should just give our Constitution to Iraq. > | > We're not using it anymore. > | > | ehe well it's jay leno... nuff said > > Recall that in Days of Old the Jester had special dispensation privileges to > bring the King back to reality. I've always heard it said that Johnny Carson was at least somewhat responsible for turning public opinion on Vietnam. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:46:11 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> | custody. Our government /should/ be bound by our Constitution regardless >> | of where it is acting. >> >> If you have faith in our system of government and the constitution it must >> be allowed, no compelled to treat all equally otherwise it's just a 'god >> damned peace paper'. > > By should, I meant that it wasn't true at this moment in time. I have > faith that this will be corrected. It won't be corrected without fighting back though. As long as we give, they will continue to take. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:20:48 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | | > How can there be a war? Only Congress can declare war, and even | they can't declare war against an ideology or religion. | > | > This is a conflict, a police action, or some other euphemism, but | not a war, therefore there can be no prisoners of war. | | The 'enemy' calls it a war even if we don't. The only reason we | can't declare war is because war is traditionally against a | government with territory, not against a group of people who are | waging war against us. | | Miss Betsy To be factual: Iraq did not declare war on the USA. Counter to GWB assertions: Iraq did not: Have anything to do with 911 Have WMD Have Yellow Cake (or corn bread for that matter) Have a working relationship with AQ or the Taliban As to AQ, Bush gave them the platform and the location and in many minds the impetus to go on the offensive. I've seem political cartoons with GWB dressed as Uncle Sam pointing his finger imploring Arabs to join AQ. We've spent fortunes on Airport security. Using information is common knowledge though out this county (and likely the world) the chemical refineries and ports are less secure now than they were before 911. Airports are allowing larger knives than the one held by a black man who was shot and killed by the cops in New Orleans. So just who do we believe? Homeland security who has made a judgment call based on a cost analysis that a knife is not a treat or cops who determine that a single man with a smaller knife is a treat to 10-20 police with guns. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:40:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > usery (29.9% APR is usery) | | usury | | | When did I become the grammar/spelling police, and why didn't | somebody point out when I used "your" instead of "you're" yesterday? | When I saw people quoting me, I was /very/ embarrassed. | | -- | -David David, The difference is I DON'T CARE what people think of my spelling/grammar so long as they understand my point. An aside some of my spelling /grammar errors (but not all) are the result of the cognitive effects of open heart surgery the rest is just being lazy. (I think I'll go catch a nap before lunch) From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:47:41 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:55:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > Should qualify they support tort reform on private actions they are OPPOSED | > B2B tort reform. Private action has been on a 10 year linear decline, B2B is | > increasing at a non linear function. | | and IMO, B2B torts are the whole reason there is a problem in the | first place. The 'problem' is that business wants to avoid the actual cost of responsibility for their actions. The poster child for Tort reform was the McD coffee suite. Lady wanted only her medical expenses, McD offered a token settlement the case went to court again seeking only medical expense. the Jury found Mc D actions so egregious (multiple previous instances) that they awarded the large judgment. McDs settled but with a gag agreement limiting the plaintiffs ability to speak. The solution is tort reform not fixing the real problem. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:49:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > | custody. Our government /should/ be bound by our Constitution regardless | > | of where it is acting. | > | > If you have faith in our system of government and the constitution it must | > be allowed, no compelled to treat all equally otherwise it's just a 'god | > damned peace paper'. | | By should, I meant that it wasn't true at this moment in time. I have | faith that this will be corrected. At one time I held that same faith ... not at all sure of that outcome at this juncture. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:54:13 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 11:55:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > >> I guess for myself, I'm a bit surprised that Time Warner/Viacom, or >> whoever owns it now, let South Park air so much of what they have >> already aired. But I suppose it shows that money generally trumps >> morality objections. > > Is there a reason other than taste? I think it is moral to challenge > people's assumptions using satire. I meant morality in a general sense. I'm making the assumption that the board of Viacom is generally pretty conservative and thinks of themselves as religious and moral and all that. But they generally are ok with whatever happens to get aired as long as it makes them money. I would probably say too that satire is invisible when your views are being satired, especially with religious views being the least tolerant of hearing anything that diverges from them. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 16:57:33 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > >> It isn't a paid/unpaid issue. You can't say those things on public >> airwaves on the broadcast channels because the FCC has jurisdiction over >> them and there are various laws and regulations which sort of spell out >> what is allowed and isn't allowed. (Ok, we will pretend for now that >> this part of it is all well defined and settled and all that.) > > I can't pretend that this is Constitutional. I'm still angry that > Carlin lost his case with the Supreme Court. Yeah, I was ignoring that part. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Jan 1 17:01:31 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:05:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Have Yellow Cake (or corn bread for that matter) Mmm, corn bread. Where's San-dee when we need her? From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:56:18 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Are they just trying to mess with me? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" < | >> Aha......!! You obviously haven't seen the one-legged Thai makraw | >> player........ | > | > Wha the? | | You have to see it....... Really! I couldn't do it justice by trying to | describe it here. There was a trailer online, but it seems to have been | removed now. The film is "Born to Fight". The story is pretty lame but some | of the stunts/set-pieces are pretty awesome. You're just pulling our leg ... From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 12:48:53 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Ping DF Message-ID: You have mail. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 11:44:01 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sun Jan 1 14:45:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Don Wannit ! > > >>Yes, that's EXACTLY the point. Go back and read the real words in >>the Declaration of Independence. [...] > > > Hmm. Well... Well thought-out and pretty well written as well. Did you > just pop that out for us just now??? Sorry, that question just flew over my head. What are you asking? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 16:05:48 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dp7qlu$aik$1@news.spamcop.net... > My first concern is for D.F. because as soon as the source is blocked > (regardless of how it is blocked -- locked box or the Law) he will become > the bad guy. I've watched it happen all too many times in my volunteer > work with hospice as such he is at physical risk from either the care giver > or her down stream. That was my concern also. Wasn't sure if I was just being paranoid. Miss Betsy From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun Jan 1 17:19:54 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Jan 1 17:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: In article , "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > Aren't all of the papers from GW's time as governor, and his time at his > various failed business ventures now all basically top secret and > classified? Not so much "classified" in the legal sense of the term, but his successor has engineered things so that any request for the documents has to be approved by him. There's a fig leaf in which he can ask the state attorney general for a ruling, but that official was key in locking down the papers and has approved very few releases. As a result, Texas' open records law--often praised as one of the best in the country--has been gutted as far as the governor's office is concerned. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun Jan 1 17:22:45 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Jan 1 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: In article , "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > > "Bcs1" > > | > Like Jay Leno said, maybe we should just give our Constitution to Iraq. > > | > We're not using it anymore. > > | > > | ehe well it's jay leno... nuff said > > > > Recall that in Days of Old the Jester had special dispensation privileges to > > bring the King back to reality. > > I've always heard it said that Johnny Carson was at least somewhat > responsible for turning public opinion on Vietnam. Not so much Vietnam, but it was said that if a president was the butt of the jokes in a Carson monologue he was in serious trouble. IIRC, Carson had a role in turning public opinion against Nixon during Watergate. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun Jan 1 17:27:51 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Jan 1 17:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > I'm making the assumption that the > board of Viacom is generally pretty conservative and thinks of > themselves as religious and moral and all that. No assumption necessary. Viacom CEO Sumner Redstone publicly endorsed the Shrub in the '04 election. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 16:43:59 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sun Jan 1 19:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Don Wannit ! > >>Charles wrote: > > >>>Did you just pop that out for us just now??? >> >>Sorry, that question just flew over my head. What are you asking? > > > Rephrasing... Was your post spontaneous? Did you write it on the spot and > for this NG? With its depth, this did not seem to be the case, but, hey, > cool, man, if that's the way you think, well, whoa, maybe we should go out > for a drink sometime. Yes, I did compose that on the spot. Of course, I did not come up with the beliefs and ideas behind it suddenly, but I've had more than 50 years to accumulate and refine my own politics. And to observe what I consider to be a complete lack of ethics on the part of many politicians. Discussing such things over a drink sometime sounds great. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sun Jan 1 17:52:13 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Don Wannit wrote: > > >>Go back and read the real words in >>the Declaration of Independence. > > > While I agree with what you say, the Declaration of Independence > isn't binding in any legal sense. It does however, as you correctly > point out, provide some insight into the motivations of the founding > fathers. > Of course it's not legally binding, but then it was not meant to be any such thing. It is as you say, a document to provide insight into the motivations of those who felt it necessary to declare independence, and why it was necessary. The concepts expressed in it transcend nationalism and the political whim of a moment. But if those concepts do not apply to everyone, whether citizens of any given country or not, whether within the geographical boundary of a given country or not, then the philosophy expressed is meaningless, the document is worthless, and this country as founded was a fraud. I would hate to find out that this is the case. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Jan 2 11:04:16 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Jan 2 06:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > >> No assumption necessary. Viacom CEO Sumner Redstone publicly endorsed the >> Shrub >> in the '04 election. > > Also noted in the article is that a Viacom board member was pressured > personally by the Catholic League to condemn/pull the show. If you want to stick it to the man, you can always get it on Bittorrent. http://www.mrtwig.net/ I just watched it. Yeah, it was a bit offensive. I haven't seen South Park for a few years now, it seems to have gone downhill a lot. It was actually a lot more harsh towards AA, "I didn't know this was a religious institution, god damn it." From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon Jan 2 12:08:44 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Mon Jan 2 07:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote in news:slrndrfpfh.59i.nobody@127.0.0.1: > > As long as there are people sufficiently uninformed to go and *buy* > software DVD players, there will be similarly uninformed people who > will go out and purchase a codec for what is, after all, an open > standard (MPEG2). Microsoft could be one supplier of such a codec. > Others would be suppliers of Open Source versions. > Wonder if a "convenience" factor was involved in this at all. (ex. "Why waste time looking for the codec online when I can buy it right here and now and save 5 minutes.") > > The problem with indeo was that it was purchased outright leaving no > possibility for an Open Source equivalent. *THAT* is what killed it. > Wonder if that company ever thought of it that way... nah, they're still trying to sell it without any freebies at all. Still sucks though. I liked that codec too. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon Jan 2 12:09:40 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Mon Jan 2 07:10:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Happy New year ALL References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp8mfl$nas$1@news.spamcop.net: > };O)~ > > Bill > > > I worked yesterday. Union City was like a ghost town. Made driving easier. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Mon Jan 2 12:10:23 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Mon Jan 2 07:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping DF References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dp94ro$vd4$1 @news.spamcop.net: > You have mail. > > > You forgot your complementary "you've got mail" soundclip... From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 07:22:30 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jan 2 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping DF References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | | > You have mail. | | You forgot your complementary "you've got mail" soundclip... It's all in his head. (it's an insider, but with the exception of the H-gal and DF most here will miss the 'humor') From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 08:11:02 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Jan 2 08:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:dp7od5$9l4$1@news.spamcop.net... > The rules we claim to follow MUST be applicable to everyone, > unless they themselves freely disclaim them. It's twisted > to interpret them otherwise. The snipped portion is a very good explanation of what the ideal of the US is and why there is no exception for the US government even in the case of war or terrorism. But does the quoted portion that mean that the people under governments that don't follow the principle that everyone has rights don't have rights? ISTM, the argument of some people (including the expressed argument of the present administration) is that since everyone has rights, that the US government is obligated to help those in countries where those rights are not 'legal' In the spirit of tolerance (or expediency) the US government has supported governments who don't ascribe to the principle of everyone having rights, but in general the US government has been criticized for it by the left who also are criticizing interference in Iraq. Where do you draw the line? Miss Betsy From bcs1 at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 08:47:55 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Mon Jan 2 08:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dp8v01$s65$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bcs1 wrote: >> >> isn't comedy central on a service that is a paid service?, I mean yeah, >> folks might find that ( or any other show on there) offensive, but didn't >> they willingly pay for it?, and don't those folks know that SP is going >> to do similar stuff in EVERY show?... I mean look at the previous >> episodes? > > It isn't a paid/unpaid issue. You can't say those things on public > airwaves on the broadcast channels because the FCC has jurisdiction over > them and there are various laws and regulations which sort of spell out > what is allowed and isn't allowed. (Ok, we will pretend for now that this > part of it is all well defined and settled and all that.) ok > > Cable however, it doesn't use public airwaves and is kind of using the > private property of cable companies to distribute the programming (ok, > ignoring the whole issue of communities granting franchises and allowing > the use of telephone poles and stuff like that.) The FCC doesn't regulate > the content there (yet, they are trying to get it though) except maybe in > terms of must carry rules. kinda what i was getting at, for example you can't have FFN on the normal everyday channels, but you CAN have it on cable/sattelite (because it's a service that you opted to get, and IMO it's done so you can get stuff that you normally wouldn't get on one of the BIG 4 networks) and it's not like someone came home and turned on one of those networks and saw it, it would have to have been seen on a non-standard channel (IE not 9, 12, 25, 44 i think those are the four here...LOL) > > I guess for myself, I'm a bit surprised that Time Warner/Viacom, or > whoever owns it now, let South Park air so much of what they have already > aired. But I suppose it shows that money generally trumps morality > objections. yeah, true From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Jan 2 14:05:51 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Jan 2 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > >> Cable however, it doesn't use public airwaves and is kind of using the >> private property of cable companies to distribute the programming (ok, >> ignoring the whole issue of communities granting franchises and allowing >> the use of telephone poles and stuff like that.) The FCC doesn't regulate >> the content there (yet, they are trying to get it though) except maybe in >> terms of must carry rules. > > kinda what i was getting at, for example you can't have FFN on the normal > everyday channels, but you CAN have it on cable/sattelite (because it's a > service that you opted to get, and IMO it's done so you can get stuff that > you normally wouldn't get on one of the BIG 4 networks) > and it's not like someone came home and turned on one of those networks and > saw it, it would have to have been seen on a non-standard channel (IE not > 9, 12, 25, 44 i think those are the four here...LOL) Why can't you? If somebody has a transmitter license, they can broadcast whatever they want, well within some limits (FCC rules, license obligations, etc). But there is no reason that FFN couldn't be broadcast over the airwaves in some local market. (I don't know what FFN is though, I assume you are talking about some network that is normally on cable systems.) It is a matter of having a license and the money and the equipment to broadcast it and access to the programming. I assume it wouldn't be economically practical to broadcast though which is why it is normally on cable instead and there are only limited licenses available for broadcast while cable can air as many channels as it can cram down their wires. I don't exactly know what you mean by the 9,12,etc bit though. Usually, what frequencies that are available in a local market are determined by what is already there and by what frequencies won't overlap with close by markets and the strengths of those other frequencies since that's sort of at the core of the FCC's responsibilities, to maintain technical order within the country in terms of frequency allocation. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Jan 2 13:39:33 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Jan 2 13:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > > > actually a lot more harsh towards AA, "I didn't know this was a > > religious institution, god damn it." > > You wouldn't believe how many people don't know that... Perhaps because it isn't one. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Jan 2 13:40:56 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Jan 2 13:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: In article , "Bcs1" wrote: > t's, spurred by the leakage of certain information, but it's still a matter > of top secret info ( regardless of the "item") being leaked, I mean, what if > it's the next move that we are going to make against AQ that's leaked?, or > the code to the door at the arms bunker in Iraq. Hell how bout next time the > leaker just calls up the AQ headquarters and says "we've found your base, > and will be there by 11:00 am tomorrow, when you're having your meeting"... Get real. No newsman is going to do that. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 12:25:13 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Mon Jan 2 15:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Don Wannit" wrote in message > news:dp7od5$9l4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>The rules we claim to follow MUST be applicable to everyone, >>unless they themselves freely disclaim them. It's twisted >>to interpret them otherwise. > > > The snipped portion is a very good explanation of what the ideal of > the US is and why there is no exception for the US government even > in the case of war or terrorism. > > But does the quoted portion that mean that the people under > governments that don't follow the principle that everyone has > rights don't have rights? No, that's quite the opposite of what I meant. We claim that everyone inherently has certain rights. My point is that if we then turn around and say that those rights we claim for ourselves do not apply to someone outside our boundary, or to non-citizens within our boundary, then they're not really rights, they are legal privileges. And since we claim that everyone inherently possesses those rights, then it follows that we believe citizens of other countries inherently possess those rights. Being allowed to practice them is another matter. One of the rights we claim is "liberty". This term includes the concept of the ability to travel freely. If someone with a gun is preventing me from leaving, they are infringing on my right. I still have that right, but am being prevented from practicing it. If some government (even ours) is restricting the rights of its citizens, then from our point of view those citizens still inherently possess those rights, but are being prevented from enjoying them. Such restrictions would be illegal for our government to do, because we do have a legal document which prohibits our government from doing that (the Constitution). No matter how much Dubya (and his father before him) would like to believe that the US Constitution imposes legal requirements and restrictions on other governments and peoples, it can not. However, the philosophy behind the founding of this country, as expounded in the Declaration of Independence, says that all people everywhere have those rights, no matter which government of the moment might be violating those rights. Further, the Declaration says that in such circumstances it not only is the right of those people to change or even overthrow the government, it is their responsibility to do so. (Note to US presidents, present and past: it does *not* say that the US has the right to go around overthrowing governments.) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Jan 2 17:46:59 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Jan 2 17:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > > You wouldn't believe how many people don't know that... > > > > Perhaps because it isn't one. > > An atheist cannot complete all twelve steps... Sure she can. My higher power is not a supernatural being. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 18:36:10 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Mon Jan 2 18:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Happy New year ALL References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns973F2A57264C4tinlc@216.154.195.61... > "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp8mfl$nas$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> };O)~ >> >> Bill >> >> >> > > > I worked yesterday. Union City was like a ghost town. Made driving easier. > :-) > I worked both days, "eve" was a bit busy till about 10:00, but last night was slow, I mean slow to the point of being BORING till 9:00 pm when I closed the store.... Bill From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 20:53:54 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Jan 2 20:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-0347F6.17465902012006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > David Dean wrote: > > > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > > > > You wouldn't believe how many people don't know that... > > > > > > Perhaps because it isn't one. > > > > An atheist cannot complete all twelve steps... > > Sure she can. My higher power is not a supernatural being. I don't know. Although, IMHO, the 12 steps are more or less what anyone with any moral sense does to cope with life, the 'higher power' is based on God and AA steps do reflect that. Also, AA does become a religion to some members (or at least fulfills the same functions). Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 21:02:13 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:dpc279$k8k$1@news.spamcop.net... > Miss Betsy wrote: > > "Don Wannit" wrote in message > > news:dp7od5$9l4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > However, the philosophy behind the founding of this country, > as expounded in the Declaration of Independence, says that > all people everywhere have those rights, no matter which > government of the moment might be violating those rights. > Further, the Declaration says that in such circumstances it > not only is the right of those people to change or even > overthrow the government, it is their responsibility to do so. > > (Note to US presidents, present and past: it does *not* > say that the US has the right to go around overthrowing > governments.) However, don't we, the free, have an obligation to support those who are trying to change their government? I know that, in the past and present, administrations have stretched that to mean actively participating in overthrowing a government (or at least giving that as the excuse when the real reason is something else like oil). But where is the line? Miss Betsy From edb2000 at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 18:27:08 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Don Wannit" wrote in message > news:dpc279$k8k$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Miss Betsy wrote: >> >>>"Don Wannit" wrote in message >>>news:dp7od5$9l4$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>(Note to US presidents, present and past: it does *not* >>say that the US has the right to go around overthrowing >>governments.) > > > However, don't we, the free, have an obligation to support those > who are trying to change their government? I know that, in the > past and present, administrations have stretched that to mean > actively participating in overthrowing a government (or at least > giving that as the excuse when the real reason is something else > like oil). > > But where is the line? > > Miss Betsy Support them, yes, absolutely. Where would we have been without the support of a few European governments and some notable individuals around the time of the American Revolution? But supporting them is a far cry from imposing change on them. And as you say, doing it in the name of "freedom" when the real reason is pure greed is quite another. Unfortunately, the US has a long history of interfering in other governments, or outright instigation of overthrow, especially where large corporations become involved. Not just oil -- look at United Fruit and central America. Or shipping companies essentially causing Panama to split off from Columbia so the US could build a canal in a location where Columbia did not want it, but which was owned by Columbia. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Jan 2 21:36:28 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Jan 2 21:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > > An atheist cannot complete all twelve steps... > > > > Sure she can. My higher power is not a supernatural being. > > Most atheists I know are not fond of reciting the Lord's Prayer. Neither am I. Use of that prayer has never been officially sanctioned by AA. If someone at a meeting objects to the prayer, it's up to her to say something. > Conform or die is an official AA position in the pamphlet The 12 > Concepts for World Service ((c) 1986). "We know we have to choose > conformity to AA's Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions or else face > dissolution and death." By which he means that if alcoholics do not follow the program of recovery they will not recover, and will eventually succumb to the affliction. > In the 1969 official AA pamphlet AA's Legacy of > Service, AXs co-founder Bill Wilson wrote that proselytizing is the main > reason for AA's existence: "Our Twelfth Step--carrying the message--is > the basic service that the A.A. Fellowship gives; this is our principle > aim and the main reason for our existence." And the message he's referring to is that recovery from alcoholism is possible through the program. He's not talking about converting people to a specific faith. > Chapter Four of Alcoholics > Anonymous, "We Agnostics," is often touted as evidence Atheists and > Agnostics are welcome in AA. However, Chapter Four's very obvious > arguing for belief in a god belies this. The chapter insults Atheism and > Agnosticism with arguments unacceptable in debate clubs--ad hominem > arguments that imply the person is dishonest for not believing. Some people are fundamentalists with respect to the Big Book. I'm not one of them. I don't much care for Chapter Four myself, nor for most of Wilson's writings on religion and spirituality. Wilson writing about agnosticism/atheism is like a fish writing about breathing air--the concept is utterly alien to him, he doesn't understand why anybody would want to do that, and he doesn't even perceive his bias. But one can recover in the program without having to replicate Wilson's journey step for step, and without being struck by lightning. > Steppism perceives proselytizing as necessary for sobriety. Wilson, Bob Smith and thousands of others following in their footsteps have found that working with other alcoholics helped keep _themselves_ sober. That's why a lot of people say carrying the message is necessary for their recovery. Again, though, they're not proselytizing for a faith but for the program. > The argument "Your higher power can be anything" is incomplete and > false, because although 'higher powers' may conflict with one of the > steps, it is then only with respect to religion. If more steps are > objected to, we then have the kind of thing like a Jew in an evangelical > Christian church. I'm having trouble parsing that. Care to try to explain it? > So also with a client's invented higher power. A > higher power is intended to be a spiritual higher power. The argument > further tends to be religious because fetishism--object worship--is > religion. So what are you saying? I'm lying about my higher power? Or I'm not a member in good standing? -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 08:39:47 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 03:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > > However, don't we, the free, have an obligation to support those > who are trying to change their government? I know that, in the > past and present, administrations have stretched that to mean > actively participating in overthrowing a government (or at least > giving that as the excuse when the real reason is something else > like oil). > > But where is the line? We have never really supported anything like that, so why would we start now? Generally who we will or won't support has all been about it being in our own best interests (although sorting out who exactly benefits within the US is somewhat problematic, you know We the People or maybe just a few). The Marshall Plan after WWII was both to make sure that western Europe didn't fall to the Soviets but also to make sure that their economies would recover sufficiently so that they could continue to buy our goods. It looks very charitable but was rather selfish in intent. If you follow the money, US foreign policy makes a lot more sense. We will tolerate most any type of government so long as the market is open to us. It is when they start to do things like price controls and labor unions and nationalizing industries that we start to get the itch to bring democracy and freedom to them. We only reluctantly brought democracy to Iraq and still continue to struggle with the question of how to bring the illusion of democracy but still remain in control. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 07:09:27 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Jan 3 07:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dpdd8k$beo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Miss Betsy wrote: > > > > However, don't we, the free, have an obligation to support those > > who are trying to change their government? I know that, in the > > past and present, administrations have stretched that to mean > > actively participating in overthrowing a government (or at least > > giving that as the excuse when the real reason is something else > > like oil). > > > > But where is the line? > > We have never really supported anything like that, so why would we start > now? Generally who we will or won't support has all been about it being > in our own best interests (although sorting out who exactly benefits > within the US is somewhat problematic, you know We the People or maybe > just a few). So many of 'we, the people' do support 'intervention' because, being US citizens, they do support 'anyone' without rights. > > If you follow the money, US foreign policy makes a lot more sense. We > will tolerate most any type of government so long as the market is open > to us. It is when they start to do things like price controls and labor > unions and nationalizing industries that we start to get the itch to > bring democracy and freedom to them. Unfortunately, that is probably a true statement. >We only reluctantly brought > democracy to Iraq and still continue to struggle with the question of > how to bring the illusion of democracy but still remain in control. The principle of 'freeing' people under oppression is what keeps support for Bush in Iraq, IMHO. Not all US citizens agree that it is worth it to 'free' other people, however. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 07:29:27 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Jan 3 07:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:dpcndt$vvr$1@news.spamcop.net... > Miss Betsy wrote: > > "Don Wannit" wrote in message > > news:dpc279$k8k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >>Miss Betsy wrote: > >> > >>>"Don Wannit" wrote in message > >>>news:dp7od5$9l4$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > >>(Note to US presidents, present and past: it does *not* > >>say that the US has the right to go around overthrowing > >>governments.) > > > > > > However, don't we, the free, have an obligation to support those > > who are trying to change their government? I know that, in the > > past and present, administrations have stretched that to mean > > actively participating in overthrowing a government (or at least > > giving that as the excuse when the real reason is something else > > like oil). > > > > But where is the line? > > > > Miss Betsy > > Support them, yes, absolutely. Where would we have been without > the support of a few European governments and some notable > individuals around the time of the American Revolution? > > But supporting them is a far cry from imposing change on them. > And as you say, doing it in the name of "freedom" when the real > reason is pure greed is quite another. > > Unfortunately, the US has a long history of interfering in > other governments, or outright instigation of overthrow, > especially where large corporations become involved. Not > just oil -- look at United Fruit and central America. Or > shipping companies essentially causing Panama to split > off from Columbia so the US could build a canal in a > location where Columbia did not want it, but which was > owned by Columbia. Yes, I was thinking of South America as another example. But how can one 'impose' freedom and free exercise of rights on individuals? I think what I am saying is that 'freedom' also implies that if there are not individuals interested in 'rights' (as opposed to freedom from a particular regime - look at Castro and Cuba), then they are 'free' to choose oppression. Particularly in the Middle East, where our view of secular 'individual rights' conflicts with the Islamic view of 'individual worth' which also has different viewpoints depending on what branch of Islam. What I mean is that, IIUC, Islamic principle values the individual in exactly the same way that the Judeo-Christian principle values individual worth. While the Declaration of Independence expresses those values, the US Constitution applies them very differently than the way they do in Islamic governments (who, like all governments, often are influenced by special interest groups that use, but don't adhere to the underlying principle). IOW, the 'individual' needs to be claiming 'his' rights in 'his' way in order to get support from the US. Since it is almost impossible for the average citizen (either here or in the oppressed country) to sift through all the special interest groups wanting control, there is no 'pure' way for the US, as a government, to 'help' people under other governments. And to get back to your original point, the best 'help' is for the US government to refuse to cooperate whatsoever in any denial of rights - whether here or aboard. Miss Betsy From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 12:51:50 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 08:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >> We have never really supported anything like that, so why would > we start >> now? Generally who we will or won't support has all been about > it being >> in our own best interests (although sorting out who exactly > benefits >> within the US is somewhat problematic, you know We the People or > maybe >> just a few). > > So many of 'we, the people' do support 'intervention' because, > being US citizens, they do support 'anyone' without rights. I'm saying that We the People would support intervention because it appears that we are spreading freedom and democracy and we like to think that wonderful nice things are being done in our name. Just a few would probably support it because they know that it is the illusion of freedom and democracy but it is actually just regime change to give them a better economic advantage. I would personally support a democratic intervention, a whole democratic makeover for the whole world if I thought that was actually the real goal behind these policies. >> If you follow the money, US foreign policy makes a lot more > sense. We >> will tolerate most any type of government so long as the market > is open >> to us. It is when they start to do things like price controls > and labor >> unions and nationalizing industries that we start to get the itch > to >> bring democracy and freedom to them. > > Unfortunately, that is probably a true statement. Realizing that bit was where it finally made sense for me, how and why we would support horrible dictators (Shah, Pinochet, Saddam, etc) but would try to overthrow pretty decently run governments (such as what we finally succeeded a couple of years ago in Haiti and what we continue to do in Venezuela). >> We only reluctantly brought >> democracy to Iraq and still continue to struggle with the > question of >> how to bring the illusion of democracy but still remain in > control. > > The principle of 'freeing' people under oppression is what keeps > support for Bush in Iraq, IMHO. Not all US citizens agree that it > is worth it to 'free' other people, however. I see that reconstruction is going to be shut down at the end of the year now. So mission accomplished there then. Well done. I guess the budget realities are finally hitting. Not that I think we should have destroyed it all in the first place. But I think your it is worth it or not worth it to free them choice misses a third choice, that of freeing them was just a cynical ploy to justify invading and occupying a country. Sure I would like to free the Iraqis but I don't believe that has anything at all to do with why 100,000 American soldiers are in Iraq right now. To me, that is what is not worth it. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Tue Jan 3 06:21:18 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Tue Jan 3 09:25:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Bill.. you will find this amusing.. Message-ID: And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a fascist.. or something. *shrug* http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/ -- Unhandled exceptions are the bane of my existance. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 14:53:17 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ofq83-jem.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: > >> And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a fascist.. >> or something. *shrug* > > I won't call you a fascist. But something is wrong when someone calls > "family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity" more > important than health. I'm utterly confused about what the point was being made was. As far as could tell, he was saying the west is going to fall because the "Islamic jihadists" are going to out breed us. And then lots of stuff about the decline of natural resources and environmental destruction being a myth. "We?re pretty much awash in resources, but we?re running out of people." I mean it is probably somewhat true that the west is going to be a growing minority, but what that really seems to mean to me is that we need to be trying harder to bring the population growth all over the world under control (i.e., don't let fundamentalist Christian agendas block sustainable population growth). His argument reminds me of the missile gap in nuclear weapons. There is no thought about trying to reduce the danger by eliminating arms but the only answer is to just build more so that we can destroy the world 10 times over instead of just 8 times. So, you better get out there and breed, the west is counting on you. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:26:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dp40r4$a57$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Well, John *is* getting up there in the years, but gentle on him ;-) > > Hey! Maybe I don't want kram to "but" gentle on me. :P Oh, you like it fast and hard, eh? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:30:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm talking about talking to > your group insurance company and saying that you'd like to pay extra > for extra coverage. Not sure what yer talkin' bout either, Willis...... I -am- doing that for LTD (since I don't think > that we could live on 60% of my pay - at least not in the lifestyle > to which we have become accustomed). I *do* have disablility coverage, it paid me 66% of my salary (tax free) while I was out from my surgery. Actual take home pay was probably a little bit more than normal, I think..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:32:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: But at least her liver didn't get messed up, > she was EXTREMELY lucky. No kidding! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:33:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Get a copy of the original scrip or have the drug store give you a > smaller bottle with their ID and the drug name etc on the bottle. > Without that if you are stopped for any reason you can be in a world > of trouble. I put the "short fill" new pills into an older bottle with the same prescription. No problemo. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:35:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I know, it's already being discussed, but I really did laugh out loud > at the President speaking today, launching an investigation into the > 'illegal leak' of the wiretapping program. The wiretapping itself is > illegal, idiot, but the leak that exposed it, oh yeah, let's focus on > the whistleblower. Moron....pay no attention to all those mirrors and > smoke... And meanwhile, the investigation in the Plamegate affair doddles on aimlessly....for what, 3 years now? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:45:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I know, it's already being discussed, but I really did laugh out loud > at the President speaking today, launching an investigation into the > 'illegal leak' of the wiretapping program. The wiretapping itself is > illegal, idiot, but the leak that exposed it, oh yeah, let's focus on > the whistleblower. Moron....pay no attention to all those mirrors and > smoke... Speaking of which, found this great letter on the editorial page yesterday.....love the quote in the last sentence... War on foreign foes now threat to liberty The central purpose of the Bill of Rights in our Constitution is to protect our liberties from abuse of power by the federal government. For the president to authorize the National Security Agency to spy on people in this country without court-approved warrants is clearly unconstitutional ("Lawyers target wiretap by NSA," Dec. 28). And after admitting to what amounts to an impeachable offense, the president demonstrates incredible arrogance by vowing to continue this illegal practice. But that illegal practice is only the ugly tip of an iceberg. Simultaneously, we are learning that the FBI has been investigating and infiltrating advocacy groups with causes as diverse as the environment, animal cruelty and poverty relief, not to mention opposition to the war. Ultimately, it is the unlimited war against terrorism that is supposed to justify all of this. But the Founding Father most responsible for the drafting of our Constitution, James Madison, had this to say: "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. ... If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:53:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dp3gea$pk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Bcs1 wrote: > >> > >> Nope Certainly don't, but if the evidence is there.. > > > > Evidence produced thru torture? Yeah, good luck there, we've > > already seen how valid that is (recall "Curveball" testimony on > > mobile chemical warfare in Iraq). > > > > > that was the dude, who after so many years of being on the govmnt* > dole came out and said he was faking the info to get the money right? > > No, he was the "dude" who recanted his testimony and claimed he told his torturers what they wanted to hear so they'd stop abusing him. I believe you may be thinking of the leader of the exiled Iraqi government (Allawi?) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:55:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > But anyways, metals of freedom for everybody. Are those metals made out of medal? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 16:03:22 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> But anyways, metals of freedom for everybody. > > Are those metals made out of medal? No, out of hot air. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:12:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dp3tsv$8gp$2@news.spamcop.net... > > JohnL wrote: > > > >> > >> Now THAT is something I've always gone along with. ;-) > >> (see we CAN agree sometimes ) > > > > Damn, I hate when that happens...oh wait, you're John, not > > Bill....s'okay then! ;-) > > > > > > > hey we've agreed on stuff before > > > > > :( > > Bill Chill, Bill, just yanking yer chain ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:14:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Indi References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > BTW, I'm not gonna wade through tons of post in .geeks to see if you > need either of those files bro, just reply to this here, and I'll > upload them, and give ya the link > > Bill > > Night- Night I'm cool now, had a really, really wonderful weekend, first destroying my OS (again) and then finally fixing it.....gory details in .geeks.... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:54:54 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a fascist.. or something. *shrug* http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/ I can see the point or even if there is a point in these ramblings. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:05:04 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So much for the "Culture of life" References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | No special session of Congress to save this woman on life support: | | | | or: | | Nothing new here. Same applies to private health insurance. Insurance companies employ physicians called Hosptiltists (spl?) who are not treating physicians but can and do deny procedures under 'evidenced based medicine. The same process used by Kaiser that was the direct result of the two postal workers deaths from the Anthrax attack. An aside: The US AG John Ashcroft was hell bent on preventing physicians from providing pain meds on the basis that they would be used in assisted suicide but would not prosecute insurance company physicals for using morphine in excess to 'ease passing' (Hint the level of morphine was known to suppress breathing) Woman's death highlights health insurance crisis Tirhas Habtegiris was 27 when she died. A family has gathered to mourn a woman gone too soon. Tirhas Habtegiris was an East African immigrant and only 27 when she died Monday afternoon. She'd been on a respirator at Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano for 25 days. "They handed me this letter on December 1st. and they said, we're going to give you 10 days so on the 11th day, we're going to pull it out," said her brother Daniel Salvi. Salvi was stunned to get this hand-delivered notice invoking a complicated and rarely used Texas law where a doctor is "not obligated to continue" medical treatment "medically inappropriate" when care is not beneficial. Even though her body was being ravaged by cancer, this family says Tirhas still responded and was conscious. She was waiting one person. "She wanted to get her mom over here or to get to her mom so she could die in her mom's arms," says her cousin Meri Tesfay. Ten days was not enough time, they say, to get a mother from Africa to America. The family and hospital desperately tried to get Tirhas moved to a nursing home but they say no one would take her. "A fund issue is what I understand. Because she is not insured and that was the major reason the way I understood it," Salvi said. A statement from Baylor Plano disputes that and says the hospital did its best to comply with the family's wishes in every way. Still, on the 11th day, Tirhas Habtegiris was taken off the respirator and died. Her family feels caught in America's health insurance crisis. "And it's kind of a shock to me too to experience this in this country. It's the richest country in the world. Very sad," Salvi said. Experts say there are very few charity beds for ventilator dependent patients in this state. President George W. Bush has said he wants to expand healthcare for legal immigrants in this country. FP: Ok fine to expand healthcare for legal immigrants, just when will he get around to expanding health care for citizens? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:11:24 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "indigo" | | | Charles wrote: | > I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm talking about talking to | > your group insurance company and saying that you'd like to pay extra | > for extra coverage. | | Not sure what yer talkin' bout either, Willis...... | | I -am- doing that for LTD (since I don't think | > that we could live on 60% of my pay - at least not in the lifestyle | > to which we have become accustomed). | I missed this post but would offer caution that LTD though your employer is iffy at best. Do a goodle search on ERISA, LTD, DISABILITY. think UNUM-PROVIDENT and to a lesser extent CIGNA. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:20:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: > > > And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a > > fascist.. or something. *shrug* > > I won't call you a fascist. But something is wrong when someone > calls "family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity" > more important than health. Sounds like something I read over the weekend.....abortion legislation in Central/South America.....multiple countries ban it outright, the shrub holds the purse strings on the aid and of course applies pressure with that, but the clincher was several neocon USA congressmen personally contacting 7 members of the Uraguyan Congress to pressure them into denying a bill allowing abortions (any kind, even for health reasons). The bill failed by 3 votes......our fascists in action.... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:26:07 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] More cops and courts and the wrong guy behind bars References: <43BA7ACA.7FFF1247@mindspring.com> Message-ID: >From the NY Times "Steven A. Drizin, legal director of the Center on Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern University, who studied the Tankleff case, said: 'Unfortunately, in almost every wrongful conviction case, even when DNA excludes the suspect, law enforcement officers - whether blinded by tunnel vision, whether they don't want to admit a mistake, whether from fear of civil liability - they remain fixated on preserving a conviction, even in the face of compelling contrary evidence. That's the saddest thing in these cases.'" Full story at: http://tinyurl.com/9gphx -- If he was to preach today like he preached in Galilee, they would lay Jesus Christ in his grave all over again. -- Woody Guthrie, speaking of the "moderates" and "con- servatives" of his day From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Jan 3 16:41:36 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 11:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpe5dq$nb7$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: > But at least her liver didn't get messed up, >> she was EXTREMELY lucky. > > No kidding! > > That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other than the addiction, there's no effects on her body. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 11:46:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | That's why, even though it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain | medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other than the | addiction, there's no effects on her body. Watch the administration of the drug as it is known to suppress breathing and the line between enough and too much is very thin. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Jan 3 12:29:41 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: In article , JohnL wrote: > That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain > medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other than the > addiction, there's no effects on her body. "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Jan 3 17:31:14 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dpebhp$r49$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Watch the administration of the drug as it is known to suppress breathing > and the line between enough and too much is very thin. Yeah, we've been warned about that. But seeing as she used to take over 1000MG a day and now takes around 400, she seems to be handling that part okay. ;-) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Jan 3 17:32:13 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2-C405F6.12294103012006@news.cesmail.net: > In article , > JohnL wrote: > >> That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain >> medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other >> than the addiction, there's no effects on her body. > > "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" Well, if it's between addiction, failed organs or EXTREME pain, there's only one way to go. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 12:41:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > news:dfm2a3l0t2-C405F6.12294103012006@news.cesmail.net: > > > In article , > > JohnL wrote: > > > >> That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain > >> medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other > >> than the addiction, there's no effects on her body. > > > > "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" > > Well, if it's between addiction, failed organs or EXTREME pain, > there's only one way to go. Same thing I had to deal with when I discovered the miracle that a mere 5 mg of valium completely relieved my lower back pain (I'd taken every drug imaginable for it for 20 years, nothing worked but massive amounts of ibuprofen, and several of them half destroyed my stomach lining). My physician didn't want to give it to me, saying that it could be addictive. I told him SO WHAT! Do you think my L5 herniation is going to someday miraculously heal itself? (it's not severe enough to require surgery, but the pain can be stupifying at times). I'll be taking the stuff the rest of my life anyway, who gives a damn if I get addicted to it?!? And in any case, I seem to not have the addiction gene anyway, never have any problems coming off of scrip painkillers, even after months of use. So he agreed to provide it to me, thank $diety. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 12:45:04 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | > | >> That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain | >> medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other | >> than the addiction, there's no effects on her body. | > | > "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" | | Well, if it's between addiction, failed organs or EXTREME pain, there's | only one way to go. For most suffering from chronic pain addition is not a problem. A point lost on John Ashcroft and co. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Jan 3 17:49:52 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 12:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpecvr$rok$1@news.spamcop.net: > Same thing I had to deal with when I discovered the miracle that a > mere 5 mg of valium completely relieved my lower back pain (I'd taken > every drug imaginable for it for 20 years, nothing worked but massive > amounts of ibuprofen, and several of them half destroyed my stomach > lining). My physician didn't want to give it to me, saying that it > could be addictive. I told him SO WHAT! Do you think my L5 herniation > is going to someday miraculously heal itself? (it's not severe enough > to require surgery, but the pain can be stupifying at times). I'll be > taking the stuff the rest of my life anyway, who gives a damn if I get > addicted to it?!? Agree totally! Even with the Morphine, a lot of days her pain is a 7 out of 10. I know I couldn't put up with what she does. She's scheduled for further surgery in Feb, but we're seriously thinking about holding off on it. The other two surgeries were "supposed" to take care of the pain, but it's gotten worse each time. This time they want to fuse three more discs, which in addition requires them to take out the old hardware and re-do everything, and going by how the past surgeries have been means she would be under for over 8 hours. (the first two were 7 and 8.5 hours each). A body can take only so much! Also, her surgeon told us that if she did not have the surgery, the discs could fuse on their own over a period os 3 to 5 years. No guarantees, but to me, it seems better than what has been happening from the surgeries. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 14:38:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 14:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > She's scheduled for further surgery in Feb, but we're seriously > thinking about holding off on it. The other two surgeries were > "supposed" to take care of the pain, but it's gotten worse each time. > This time they want to fuse three more discs, which in addition > requires them to take out the old hardware and re-do everything, and > going by how the past surgeries have been means she would be under > for over 8 hours. (the first two were 7 and 8.5 hours each). A body > can take only so much! Also, her surgeon told us that if she did not > have the surgery, the discs could fuse on their own over a period os > 3 to 5 years. No guarantees, but to me, it seems better than what has > been happening from the surgeries. Ay ya ay! Ouch....sorry to hear that. My step-mother just had two joints fused in her lower back and additional surgery to cure stenonis in that area. Knowing what I know now (thru my own research and thru hearing about your S.O's problems) I was a bit upset that they didn't even consider disk replacements instead of standard fusion. I hope she doesn't end up in the same boat.....I don't even want to think about the trauma of pulling out all that old hardware and fusing more vertabrae...... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 17:28:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 3 17:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > He weathered boarding ok but I'm not going to put him thru it again, > I'll get a pet sitter instead if he's still around next Christmas. Welcome back! How was the trip? Mom (mom-in-law!) doing ok? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 22:55:33 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: how many musical acts can you spot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in news:dnvfvf$dt9$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> And what is August 2006? The 21st to be exact. > > Was that Live8? Live8 was the week before the bombings, so in July then. And August 2006, at this point, is still in the future. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 23:21:45 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Technomage Hawke wrote: > Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > >> And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a >> fascist.. or something. *shrug* >> >> http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/ >> > vDeck > > account suspended > > Your account has been suspended. We have sent you an email explaining why. > This email should also contain information on how you can unsuspend your > account. > *********** > > gee, I guess your site is down..... Don't worry, you are not missing much. Most of it was pretty incoherent rambling. Maybe a few sentences made interesting points but overall I couldn't follow much of it at all. I read a few pages worth of it until I got frustrated and just started scanning it to see if there was any of it that made sense. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out how the paragraphs related to each other or an overall point. I guess it was meant mostly as a religious every sperm is sacred rant with an anti-Islamic edge to it. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Jan 3 23:25:55 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns97409BE07D95spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > I think I'd be inclined to wait for them to fuse by themselves than risk > another major surgery like that. That's the plan now. We've got a call in to set an appointment with the surgeon to talk this over. Need to get in there by next week so we can tell Worker's Comp one way ot the other. If she waits I know WCB will be sending her to another doctor to see if she can work at all. Can't see her doing anything at this time, but anything can happen. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 23:38:41 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Have you tried Covent Garden market? If it's still there of course. Should > be able to get all sorts of veggies there. http://www.cgma.gov.uk/ > > Alternatively, Harrods food hall may have pumpkin. I'm actually surprised > that you can't just buy it in a supermarket, they tend to have everything > under the sun in English supermarkets these days. Maybe you're not going to > big enough stores. Well, the key part of all of this is that I'm lazy. And that shopping is at the very bottom of my list of things that I want to exert myself on. I used to have a Safeway a few blocks away, but they closed it in November. But even they only had pumpkin for the week or two before Halloween. But I have actually found a source, some guy has stall on the street market they do a few times a week on the street out front and he sometimes sells the green ones. He was there again this week but I already had some left over pumpkin. But Covent Garden, that's all the way on the other side of town. I might go over there to have drinks with people but going grocery shopping, probably not. I would have to be one of those annoying people with big bags of crap on the subway. There are a few supermarkets around, but they are too far away. There are a few of those Tesco Metro ones. And I ran across a mega 24 hour Tesco about a mile and a half away, but it was in Hackney and Hackney is scary and I always get hopelessly lost there. But I ran across it on the way to my new obsession. I'm working my way through all the cemeteries in the city. There are all these decaying overgrown ones, especially the Victorian ones, that are just amazing. So, I was on my way through Hackney at the time going to see one. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 23:41:09 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > JohnL wrote in > news:Xns9740629E58970innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61: > >> That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain >> medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other than >> the addiction, there's no effects on her body. > > Interestingly, I just today bought a calendar with various frogs on it. One > of these frogs exudes a toxin in its skin which when used as a painkiller > is 200 times more powerful than morphine. I wonder if it'll ever be put > into use. It's called the phantasmal poison frog and the substance is > epibatidine. I had heard of people researching different venoms too, like from different venomous snakes to see if a small dose of that could be used as a pain killer. It sounded interesting but I never saw if they had found anything practical from it. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 3 23:45:04 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:50:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Have you tried Covent Garden market? If it's still there of course. Should > be able to get all sorts of veggies there. http://www.cgma.gov.uk/ Wait, that's the New Covent Garden market. I would not only have to go to the west side of town, but I would have to go, gasp, south of the river. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 19:09:43 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9740931E635D5spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Mike Easter" wrote in news:dp1sbf$3l7$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > > So, securing the drug only solves the crux of one immediacy of the > > issue -- the underlying issues are still operative -- so then how does > > she solve the 'demands' of the need for the money or 'feeding' the > > Svengali demand once the drug is secured? > > > > True enough, but from what I understand of DF's situation, he probably has > nothing else that she would be likely to steal so the problem would be > shifted out of his sphere of influence. If she is that desperate for money > she'd have to obtain it elsewhere and it would be no concern of his. > Both FP and I suggested that if she was taking the drug to supply someone else or to sell, that just making it inaccessible (particularly for the person who was being supplied) might make it dangerous for DF. Because the person would then try to take it by force. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 19:11:05 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | | > Nope, but I had some really awful dreams about plane crashes.....in | > Belgium....where I went to adopt a child.... | > | > Talk about nightmares..... | > | > | > | | LOL.. the part about adopting a child being the worst bit I imagine! For Heidi or the child (D&R) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 19:19:06 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ak8q83-ndi.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > But I think your it is worth it or not worth it to free them choice > misses a third choice, that of freeing them was just a cynical ploy to > justify invading and occupying a country. Sure I would like to free the > Iraqis but I don't believe that has anything at all to do with why > 100,000 American soldiers are in Iraq right now. To me, that is what is > not worth it. And that is why it is not 'worth it' to many people on this forum. However, ISTM, that the people on this forum miss the reason that 'we, the people' do support Bush and his policies in Iraq, which, IMHO, is because they think they are 'freeing' people under oppression. And, no matter what the reason for 'freeing' them was, they are no longer under Saddam's oppressive regime (which did not have even religious fervor for an excuse). The fact that they are still killing each other is what is making those US citizens feel that the people don't really want 'freedom' But, IMHO, you cannot 'free' people except by example. Miss Betsy From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 20:07:33 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jan 3 20:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpe7pt$or1$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> :( >> >> Bill > > Chill, Bill, just yanking yer chain ;-) > > as was I..... };O)~ LOL Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 20:12:00 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jan 3 20:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:dpe18r$lb9$1@news.spamcop.net... And most everyone else here will probably deride me and call me a fascist.. or something. *shrug* http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/ this is all I saw when I went there account suspended Your account has been suspended. We have sent you an email explaining why. This email should also contain information on how you can unsuspend your account. oh well thanks for the thought.... Bill From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Jan 4 01:05:54 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Jan 3 20:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in news:dpf6l4$b8e$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dpe7pt$or1$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Chill, Bill, just yanking yer chain ;-) >> >> > > as was I..... };O)~ > Hmmmmmmm, 2 guys yanking each other's, er, chains? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 21:08:29 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 21:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | | > You have the other option of confronting her with the evidence. That | > might be enough to let her know that you HAVE noticed, and will | > continue to notice if things go missing, might be enough of a | > deterrent. Meanwhile, maybe decant them to somewhere else and just | > leave empty bottles for her to play with. | | Or put aspirin in that bottle and see what happens. People who are street wise about drugs would see the exchange in a second. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 21:15:49 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 21:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9740D3FE6606TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! | > Charles wrote: | >> I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm talking about talking to | >> your group insurance company and saying that you'd like to pay extra | >> for extra coverage. | > | > Not sure what yer talkin' bout either, Willis...... | | You have insurance through your employer. They are paying some company, | say Orange Shoe, to provide this insurance. You call Orange Shoe and say, | "I'm on plan a with company yyy and I'd like to talk with someone about | adding coverage to my plan." And they let you do so, for a price, or they | don't. And, actually, you can probably do the whole thing directly through | your employer - with automatic deductions and all. | *VERY* bad plan. Anything through or with your employer subjects the policy to ERISA. (note some employers are not protected by ERISA) From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 21:16:29 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 21:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | >> Chill, Bill, just yanking yer chain ;-) | >> | >> | > | > as was I..... };O)~ | > | Hmmmmmmm, 2 guys yanking each other's, er, chains? | Kinky S&M? From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Jan 3 22:37:12 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jan 3 22:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > By which he means that if alcoholics do not follow the > > program of recovery they will not recover, and will > > eventually succumb to the affliction. > > That seems rather arrogant. Surely there are people who have > recovered using other means. It's a "no true Scottsman" fallacy > to say that there are only two types of alcoholics: those that > succeed with our program, and those who fail to recover. I probably worded that badly. Nowhere in the Big Book does Wilson say that AA is the _only_ way to recover from alcoholism, just that AA is _a_ solution. > > And the message he's referring to is that recovery from > > alcoholism is possible through the program. He's not talking > > about converting people to a specific faith. > > The specific faith of AA. Alcoholics Anonymous grew out of and > was a part of (at least in Ohio), a fundamentalist evangelical > Christian sect called the Oxford Group, which was discredited > by more mainstream Christianity. The Oxford Group changed its > name to Moral Re-Armament (MRA), which exists today and has the > hidden agenda of replacement of democracy with theocracy. I know the history of AA, thank you very much. What I don't know is why you think this is relevant. AA is not the Oxford Group, and it is not Moral Re-Armament. It's not a religion, either. If 12-Step programs were religions, I wouldn't have anything to do with them. > > But one can recover in the program without having to > > replicate Wilson's journey step for step, and without being > > struck by lightning. > > While that is true, I can't see it being comfortable if one of > the religious makes an issue out of it. And what if she does? It's her problem, not mine. I'm not going to change the way I work the program because someone thinks I don't conform to her religiosity. > > > The argument "Your higher power can be anything" is > > > incomplete and false, because although 'higher powers' may > > > conflict with one of the steps, it is then only with > > > respect to religion. If more steps are objected to, we then > > > have the kind of thing like a Jew in an evangelical > > > Christian church. > > > > I'm having trouble parsing that. Care to try to explain it? > > Imagine someone claiming that Satan is their higher power. Do > you see it now? There can come a point when one's higher power > is either powerless in a particular step (another example being > a doorknob) or your belief is in conflict with the goals of the > step. If someone says Satan is her higher power, and it works for her, than more power to her. She may have some problem with the bible beaters, but those types will have problems with _anybody_ who doesn't believe exactly as they do. What she can do is ignore the fundies and find people who will support her program. I know somebody whose higher power is The Force (as in "Star Wars"). She's been in recovery for years. The best thing about AA is that it's a pragmatic program--you do what works, you don't do what doesn't. > > > So also with a client's invented higher power. A higher > > > power is intended to be a spiritual higher power. The > > > argument further tends to be religious because > > > fetishism--object worship--is religion. > > > > So what are you saying? I'm lying about my higher power? Or > > I'm not a member in good standing? > > I certainly don't claim that you are lying. I expect that you > wouldn't find acceptance of your higher power in some groups. And the answer to that is not to go to those meetings. > You may be fortunate to have caring and tolerant people there. > I find very little tolerance for those who are not Christian in > the places that I have lived. Yes, I probably don't run into that sort of thing because I live in a big Northeastern city. If I lived in some one-horse town in Kansas it might well be different. But even then there are ways around it, such as online meetings (which I attend because my disability keeps me pretty much homebound). -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 23:30:57 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Wed Jan 4 02:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So much for the "Culture of life" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > No special session of Congress to save this woman on life support: > > _lj_african.bb0e76d.html> > > or: > > Maybe there was too much interest in that web page/article. Here's what that URL shows me: Page not found Thanks to your terrific ideas and valuable input, we developed an enhanced, enriched experience on WFAA.com. Some items have moved to different locations in the site since our change. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 08:41:16 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 03:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: how many musical acts can you spot? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Never heard of Mountain or Pineapple Thief LOL. Is Great White a band then? > Hole seems likely. Great White was the band where people got killed by the pyrotechnics at a show in Rhode Island, I think it was. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 04:57:59 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Jan 4 05:00:33 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dpf0ua$7hl$1@news.spamcop.net... > I guess it was > meant mostly as a religious every sperm is sacred rant with an > anti-Islamic edge to it. The thought has been around for years - the idea that some groups who do not use birth control will gain control by outbreeding the rest of us(tinu). It used to be directed against Catholics. I heard fundamentalist Christians who were concerned about Islamic population growth in the 1980's - and the consequent argument that Christians should have big families to counteract that trend. I was surprised that FP didn't also recognize it. I don't know whether it is true or not, but the pro life people claim that the purpose of planned parenthood was to curtail the growth of the welfare class. I have never researched it, but it seems feasible to me because I know people who do promote birth control for that very reason on an individual basis - I mean someone to prevent another generation of welfare recipients by trying to convince someone on welfare to use birth control. In fact, one of the very first 'dirty' jokes I ever heard centered around a group of church women trying to get a poor woman to use birth control and that's been years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the idea goes back centuries - just changing methods and groups to fit the era. Miss Betsy From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jan 4 12:05:32 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 06:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 05:16:24 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> Casper got killed on the road, which pretty much devastated us humans. >> But it also devastated Muffin. 3 days after Casper was killed, she >> pined and walked outside under a bush to die. > > how sad! and a double hit for you humans > > Did you keep subsequent cats indoors after that? Nope. Cats are meant to go out and hunt, get excercise, get the fresh air. Keeping a cat penned in a house is extremely selfish on the part of the human. -- Steve A computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 11:55:18 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:dpf2a1$8bg$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Wait, that's the New Covent Garden market. I would not only have to >> go to the west side of town, but I would have to go, gasp, south of >> the river. > > ROFL... can't have that! Ok, I'm glad you see the gravity of the problem. Actually, I've been south quite a bit lately. Christmas day, for example, was along the south bank from Greenwich to Putney before crossing over the river into civilization again. A pretty friendly pub in Putney, nice fire and everything. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 07:18:49 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dpbc00$73q$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bcs1 wrote: >> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>> Cable however, it doesn't use public airwaves and is kind of using the >>> private property of cable companies to distribute the programming (ok, >>> ignoring the whole issue of communities granting franchises and allowing >>> the use of telephone poles and stuff like that.) The FCC doesn't >>> regulate the content there (yet, they are trying to get it though) >>> except maybe in terms of must carry rules. >> >> kinda what i was getting at, for example you can't have FFN on the >> normal everyday channels, but you CAN have it on cable/sattelite (because >> it's a service that you opted to get, and IMO it's done so you can get >> stuff that you normally wouldn't get on one of the BIG 4 networks) >> and it's not like someone came home and turned on one of those networks >> and saw it, it would have to have been seen on a non-standard channel >> (IE not 9, 12, 25, 44 i think those are the four here...LOL) > > Why can't you? If somebody has a transmitter license, they can broadcast > whatever they want, well within some limits (FCC rules, license > obligations, etc). But there is no reason that FFN couldn't be broadcast > over the airwaves in some local market. (I don't know what FFN is though, > I assume you are talking about some network that is normally on cable > systems.) It is a matter of having a license and the money and the > equipment to broadcast it and access to the programming. I assume it > wouldn't be economically practical to broadcast though which is why it is > normally on cable instead and there are only limited licenses available > for broadcast while cable can air as many channels as it can cram down > their wires. FFN = Full Frontal Nudity and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels > > I don't exactly know what you mean by the 9,12,etc bit though. Usually, > what frequencies that are available in a local market are determined by > what is already there and by what frequencies won't overlap with close by > markets and the strengths of those other frequencies since that's sort of > at the core of the FCC's responsibilities, to maintain technical order > within the country in terms of frequency allocation. those are just channel numbers.. };O)~ From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 07:35:18 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-50149D.22190802012006@frylock.local... > In article , > I find very little > tolerance for those who are not Christian in the places that I have > lived. > which in and of it's self is contrary to the touted /Christian/ belief of "hate the sin, not the sinner", or "love thy neighbor" ect, ect... never says "love they neighbor, unless he/she's not saved"... :( just a thought Bill From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 12:24:54 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > There are some pics for anyone who's interested, of our journey to/from > the UK. It snowed on the day we left, it was chucking it down for a > while but then fortunately the sun broke through and the snow > disappeared and we were able to leave on time. > > http://www.kookybycaron.com/journey > > the names of the pictures are pretty self explanatory and before anyone > asks, i dont know the person in harrowchurch2.jpg, he just happened to > be standing in the way (bastard!). A friend of mine is the head nurse of > Harrow School so she was showing us around. The one with harry potter in > the name is a building they used for filming the first movie I think. > http://www.harrowschool.org.uk/html/ Funny, you are way more obsessive about pictures from airplanes than I am. Yes, I have one of the Pyrenees, the plains of Colorado, a fuzzy one of Ireland, really thick clouds over New York, etc. Hey, there's my flat, in the two pictures of the Thames, except it is too foggy to see it clearly. It does seem like I can make out Victoria Park in the one. So, should it scare me that the same people behind the Dome are also working on the 2012 Olympics? Oh, my other new obsession, finding movie locations. Hey, that street where I was stumbling home late one evening, across from the Royal Exchange, that's where Bridget Jones was running around in the snow. Or her flat in Southwark, rode past that a few weeks ago. But there are a million different places that I've seen in films. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 12:12:16 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:dpf1u2$86v$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> But I have actually found a source, some guy has stall on the street >> market they do a few times a week on the street out front and he >> sometimes sells the green ones. He was there again this week but I >> already had some left over pumpkin. > > Get friendly with him and ask him to get you a pumpkin every now and > then. Who knows, maybe he can get different varieties. He wasn't terribly communicative when I asked him stuff. It was a tad bit expensive too, like 4 pounds for a medium sized one. I probably won't get one all that often. >> There are a few supermarkets around, but they are too far away. There >> are a few of those Tesco Metro ones. And I ran across a mega 24 hour >> Tesco about a mile and a half away, but it was in Hackney and Hackney >> is scary and I always get hopelessly lost there. > > Only a mile and a half away! good god man, go check it out. They're > amazing shops, you could save yourself a lot of time by shopping there > and never going shopping again the rest of the month. LOL@Hackney being > scary. Can't be worse than Brooklyn surely? Ok, Hackney isn't that bad. I know a few people who live there. And no, it isn't really as bad as Brooklyn. But a mile and a half? For food? I'll think about it. I don't think I could get a month's worth. I've always only been able to go about a week or slightly more when I was able to go to big supermarkets in the US in my car. But since I really never eat out (never have fast food), everything I bring home from the store is what I eat for the week, so I probably get more at the supermarket than most people. That would be a pain to get home. Of course, I could always get somebody to deliver. But again, lazy and it is easier to just complain about it. >> But I ran across it on the way to my new obsession. I'm working my >> way through all the cemeteries in the city. There are all these >> decaying overgrown ones, especially the Victorian ones, that are just >> amazing. So, I was on my way through Hackney at the time going to see >> one. > > Ah cool. Isn't there someone really famous (maybe karl marx?) buried in > your neck of the woods? The most famous person in Stoke Newington is the founder of the Salvation Army. The most famous one in Tower Hamlets is some old MP and mayor of Poplar and I think the guy who built the Cutty Sark. Most of the really famous people (like Karl Marx) are in the one in Islington or the one on the west side of town, Kensal Green. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven%2C_London http://www.derelictlondon.com/cemetery.htm http://www.londoncemeteries.co.uk/ From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 07:43:42 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Indi References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97409A2A7928Dspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpe7t2$ori$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> I'm cool now, had a really, really wonderful weekend, first destroying >> my OS (again) and then finally fixing it.....gory details in >> .geeks.... >> >> >> > > LOL@destroying your OS. Hell it can't be any worse than just having to do > a > clean install right? unless he's like me, the clean install it's self is only about 30 mins, it's the other 10 hours of setting up and installing crap that really sucks.. LOL Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 07:59:40 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 07:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-3E2998.20573830122005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , "Bcs1" > wrote: > >> "D.F. Manno" wrote in message >> >> > "Bcs1" wrote: >> > >> >> I agree that there are circumstances where abandoning those >> >> things would be very bad, however it's my FIRM belief that >> >> our constitutional rights DO NOT apply to the terrorist, in >> >> fact I also believe that any American who does the kinds of >> >> things that T McV did also does not deserve any of those >> >> rights either... >> > >> > So you think we should bring freedom and democracy to Iraq >> > (which is what the Shrub claims to be doing) by throwing them >> > away in the U.S.? >> >> nope that's not what i said at all.. > > No, Bill, that's exactly what you said. actually, no, that's not what i said..... >You said an American who commits a > Oklahoma City does not deserve rights. yes i did say that, and for the most part i meant that as litteraly as you stated it, however not quite as litteraly.... >If we're going to start saying that some > Americans deserve rights and some don't, then the Constitution is just a > goddamned piece of paper, and we're living under a dictatorship. that's very true, however it's not as blanketed as in your statement, I'm NOT referring to the normal law abiding citizens of the US, I'm referring to those who aren't.. and to those who would seek to ( by other than legal means) destroy our country...... Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:14:43 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dp8tkn$r85$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bcs1 wrote: >> "David Dean" wrote in message > >>> I think your talking about this guy: >>> >>> >>> It seems that he is in a bit of trouble now... >>> >> (didn't read the link yet) >> but if that's the one I'm thinking of he SHOULD be in heaps-o-trouble > > The point being that the case for war was built on a single source. IIRC, the case was not built on a single source, however, that source (at the time) validated several other sources, so in part I guess you could say it was a single source. The information from the Brits also was not based heavily on information brought forth/corroborated by that source, but in the overall scope of things also lended some credence to what he was "selling" us/U.S.. in hindsight, there was quite allot that wasn't "exactly" correct that came from him, however there was still some valid information in his stories, just not as much as originally thought... in a semi-related thing: The local Bush Bashing guy here in Cincinnati was talking about this a while back, and said that if Bush wanted to pull his "cohonees" out of the fire on that issue that he should also have included in the speech regarding the "intelligence being somewhat false", the information gathered since the liberation of Iraq that showed where/that many of Saddam's real weapons had been moved to Syria, but that he (paraphrased) "Doubted that Bush had the balls to do it" LOL I don't always agree with him on things, but I like him and his show anyway, and if in fact Bush does/did have info like that, I think he should have said that... it would certainly explain some of the sat photos of the huge convoys leaving places the inspectors were going to.... Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:15:02 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpe6q5$o5c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> But anyways, metals of freedom for everybody. > > Are those metals made out of medal? > > LOL From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:21:30 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:15:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dp8tnk$rb9$5@news.spamcop.net... > > | > > Recall that in Days of Old the Jester had special dispensation privileges > to > bring the King back to reality. > > nope, didn't know that... I always thought he got a bit of a pass for being funny though, but wondered what happened to him on the day that the king didn't "like" his jokes......? Bill From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:25:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | | > I guess it was | > meant mostly as a religious every sperm is sacred rant with an | > anti-Islamic edge to it. | | The thought has been around for years - the idea that some groups | who do not use birth control will gain control by outbreeding the | rest of us(tinu). It used to be directed against Catholics. | | I heard fundamentalist Christians who were concerned about Islamic | population growth in the 1980's - and the consequent argument that | Christians should have big families to counteract that trend. I | was surprised that FP didn't also recognize it. It's long been a topic of discussion but not one limited to any religion. In fact in the 60's it was part of the Black Power mantra to out breed Whitney. In fact the joke was that mantra was just another form of 'freedom rider' i.e. no condom as 'one a day love beads' were typically only available to the well off whites and upwardly mobile blacks. | I don't know whether it is true or not, but the pro life people | claim that the purpose of planned parenthood was to curtail the | growth of the welfare class. I have never researched it, but it | seems feasible to me because I know people who do promote birth | control for that very reason on an individual basis - I mean | someone to prevent another generation of welfare recipients by | trying to convince someone on welfare to use birth control. In | fact, one of the very first 'dirty' jokes I ever heard centered | around a group of church women trying to get a poor woman to use | birth control and that's been years ago. I wouldn't be surprised | if the idea goes back centuries - just changing methods and groups | to fit the era. There is mathematical support that limiting family size does reduce the level of poverty in a given family on the presumption that INCOME/2+n is an inverse function. Interestingly enough adding education into that equation greatly reduces the effects of 'n' increases. As near back as 1950's there was social and political opposition to birth control, condoms could not be sold for birth control but were sold for the express and singular purpose of 'prevention of desiese'. (Those issued by the military during the war were so marked) In some areas condom sales were more tightly controlled than the sale of beer. There were more than a few jokes about how someone 'got here with the aid of NAME (of some brewery or other).' From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:28:14 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 08:40:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | > | > Did you keep subsequent cats indoors after that? | | Nope. | | Cats are meant to go out and hunt, get excercise, get the fresh air. | Keeping a cat penned in a house is extremely selfish on the part of the | human. Cats have two main functions in daily life, sleep for 23 out of 24 hours and lick their butts. (the owners then come home and kiss the cat on the lips) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 08:59:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Indi References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpe7t2$ori$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > I'm cool now, had a really, really wonderful weekend, first > > destroying my OS (again) and then finally fixing it.....gory > > details in .geeks.... > > > > > > > > LOL@destroying your OS. Hell it can't be any worse than just having > to do a clean install right? Yeah, it IS worse when you can't backup all your stuff to the malfunctioning external drive..... From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:25:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 09:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Charles" | >| you can probably do the whole thing directly through | >| your employer - with automatic deductions and all. | | > *VERY* bad plan. Anything through or with your employer subjects the | > policy to ERISA. (note some employers are not protected by ERISA) | | I suppose that, in general, it may be a very bad plan. In my case it isn't | so very bad - I work for a highly ethical company. Sure, we're out to make | money - but employees are treated very fairly. It is the INSURANCE company that you have to deal with in the event of disability. Your company, by the contract with the insurance provider, has ZERO say in the matter. As example (this in the 5th federal court) an insurance company required a claimant to under go interferon treatments (not to do so would have disqualified benefits under the terms of the contract as 'failure to undertake recommended medical treatment'). Interferon has a known and well document side effect of depression. Insurance company canceled benefits as depression is not a covered condition. the court ruled 'depression is depression is depression'. The claimant's company was behind him 100% ... made no difference. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:35:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 09:40:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How "Commander-in-Chief" becomes "Fuhrer" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" | > Recall that in Days of Old the Jester had special dispensation privileges | > to bring the King back to reality. | > | > | nope, didn't know that... I always thought he got a bit of a pass for being | funny though, but wondered what happened to him on the day that the king | didn't "like" his jokes......? Just look at present day Washington. Then there are stories like Gulliver's travels and a lot of the stuff from the Brother's Grim. Had a professor in high school that required his students to read political cartoons and political satire, research the period then discuss/explain the work in context of the time. It might come as a surprise that there is some significant evidence that suggest Lincoln was AC/DC From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:52:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > The most famous person in Stoke Newington is the founder of the > Salvation Army. The most famous one in Tower Hamlets is some old MP and > mayor of Poplar and I think the guy who built the Cutty Sark. Most of > the really famous people (like Karl Marx) are in the one in Islington or > the one on the west side of town, Kensal Green. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven%2C_London > http://www.derelictlondon.com/cemetery.htm > http://www.londoncemeteries.co.uk/ Oooh, how cool, I'd be right there with you-what amazing monuments, and a shame that no one's looking after them. Can't believe they're digging up graves to put in houses, I guess the spirits must be mad if there's poltergeist activity.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 10:24:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Charles wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm talking about talking > >> to your group insurance company and saying that you'd like to pay > >> extra for extra coverage. > > > > Not sure what yer talkin' bout either, Willis...... > > You have insurance through your employer. They are paying some > company, say Orange Shoe, to provide this insurance. Nope. We're self insured, we just use a health management company to manage the system. I'd probably have to buy separate co-insurance and pay out the nose for it since it wouldn't be subsidized by my company. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 10:26:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Bcs1" wrote in news:dpf6l4$b8e$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:dpe7pt$or1$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Chill, Bill, just yanking yer chain ;-) > >> > >> > > > > as was I..... };O)~ > > > Hmmmmmmm, 2 guys yanking each other's, er, chains? > John, I think you're trying to take the testosterone king of the NG title from me....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 10:28:38 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:30:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > Ok, Hackney isn't that bad. I know a few people who live there. And > no, it isn't really as bad as Brooklyn. But a mile and a half? For > food? I'll think about it. I don't think I could get a month's worth. > I've always only been able to go about a week or slightly more when I > was able to go to big supermarkets in the US in my car. Don't they have cabs in London? A mile and a half? You could get one of those wheelie carts and walk, couldn't you? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Jan 4 15:42:27 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpgpep$6jt$1@news.spamcop.net: > John, I think you're trying to take the testosterone king of the NG title > from me....... Nah, you can keep that title, I'll just take the Lover title. ;-) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:37:12 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: So much for the "Culture of life" References: Message-ID: <43BBDD98.D54F3A54@spamcop.net> Frog Prince wrote: [...] > Experts say there are very few charity beds for ventilator dependent > patients in this state. President George W. Bush has said he wants to expand > healthcare for legal immigrants in this country. > > FP: Ok fine to expand healthcare for legal immigrants, just when will he get > around to expanding health care for citizens? As soon as Haliburton HMO Inc. gets its license. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:51:28 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:45:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: Message-ID: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> (Coming in late on this thread...) "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > In article , > David Dean wrote: [...] > > > And the message he's referring to is that recovery from > > > alcoholism is possible through the program. He's not talking > > > about converting people to a specific faith. > > > > The specific faith of AA. Alcoholics Anonymous grew out of and > > was a part of (at least in Ohio), a fundamentalist evangelical > > Christian sect called the Oxford Group, which was discredited > > by more mainstream Christianity. The Oxford Group changed its > > name to Moral Re-Armament (MRA), which exists today and has the > > hidden agenda of replacement of democracy with theocracy. > > I know the history of AA, thank you very much. What I don't know is why you > think this is relevant. AA is not the Oxford Group, and it is not Moral > Re-Armament. > > It's not a religion, either. If 12-Step programs were religions, I wouldn't have > anything to do with them. [...] > > > > So also with a client's invented higher power. A higher > > > > power is intended to be a spiritual higher power. The > > > > argument further tends to be religious because > > > > fetishism--object worship--is religion. > > > > > > So what are you saying? I'm lying about my higher power? Or > > > I'm not a member in good standing? > > > > I certainly don't claim that you are lying. I expect that you > > wouldn't find acceptance of your higher power in some groups. > > And the answer to that is not to go to those meetings. [...] (Note: this is all from an outsider's perspective, as I have never been to, nor needed, an AA meeting.) Personally, I don't have a problem with AA's "higher power" aspect. And, even though it sounds like they've toned down the religion side to say that you get to decide on your own who/what this "higher power" is, it still requires a faith in "G-d" and that you need G-d's help. http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/steps.html As you say, if you don't want to follow AA's "higher power" and "G-d" positions, then don't go to AA, and find something else instead. However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) To me, that would be the same as making "going to Church" a requirement of a probation sentence. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 09:58:47 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:45:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Bcs1 wrote: [...] > FFN = Full Frontal Nudity > > and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels [...] I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 10:59:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Bcs1 wrote: > [...] > > FFN = Full Frontal Nudity > > > > and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels > [...] > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) > Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, even ;-) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 15:58:25 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) In-Reply-To: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <6u7t83-2mi.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Kenneth Brody wrote: > > However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form > of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring > some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point > that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked > out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing > to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) To me, that would > be the same as making "going to Church" a requirement of a probation > sentence. That in particular is what started this whole discussion. In the South Park episode, Stan's dad, as part of his drunk driving sentence, was required to go to AA, and thus his remark "God damn it, I didn't know this was a religious group" or something to that effect. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:01:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:05:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpgpep$6jt$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > John, I think you're trying to take the testosterone king of the NG > > title from me....... > > Nah, you can keep that title, I'll just take the Lover title. ;-) *That's* up for debate, buster...... From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 16:10:03 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Kenneth Brody wrote: > Bcs1 wrote: > [...] >> FFN = Full Frontal Nudity >> >> and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels > [...] > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) You can't broadcast (or at least you can be punished afterwards for breaking the rule) things that are considered indecent. And as we know, what is considered indecent is highly subjective and changes over time. So far, it only applies to broadcast channels, channels that use public airwaves (tv and radio), and do not apply to cable or satellite. But the FCC is working on getting jurisdiction over those too. The FCC derives its authority in large part from the Constitutional clause giving the Federal government jurisdiction over interstate commerce. Cable systems at least would rarely fall under this since local systems would rarely extend over state lines. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:13:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9740D9F26197Bspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > I found that the very worst of it passed after about a week, maybe two. In > fact it was worse when he disappeared because I didn't know what had > happened to him. The relief when he suddenly came back was amazing. My dear departed Winston disappeared for a month once, no idea how he disappeared or where he went. I had some friends over one day, I wondered if he managed to get in someone's car or something and ended up being taken far away from home. I was just giving up on him when I looked out the patio door and there he was, a bit skinny, feet covered with mud and ice like he'd been walking through a swamp, which would have been somewhat far away from us, there really isn't much wetland around. So I let him in and he ran immediately to my bed (of course), muddy feet and all. I went over to pet him, and he growled at me, then stopped and looked at me, you could see him thinking "wait, that's not right", then he started purring and rubbing on me. He never said where he was..... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:17:14 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpe5j7$nck$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And meanwhile, the investigation in the Plamegate affair doddles on > aimlessly....for what, 3 years now? > No idea what Fitgerald is doing now, hopefully he'll bring a few new indictments, if Rove gets indicted my life will be made. Abramoff cutting a deal isn't looking to good for a lot of people either. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:17:38 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpe66p$ns1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > But the Founding Father most responsible for the drafting of our > Constitution, James Madison, had this to say: "The means of defense against > foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. > ... If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of > fighting a foreign enemy." Sadly prophetic..... From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 16:12:56 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:20:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, >> even ;-) > > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > posterior doesn't count. But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone front, in the current political environment. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 16:18:10 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> Ok, Hackney isn't that bad. I know a few people who live there. And >> no, it isn't really as bad as Brooklyn. But a mile and a half? For >> food? I'll think about it. I don't think I could get a month's worth. >> I've always only been able to go about a week or slightly more when I >> was able to go to big supermarkets in the US in my car. > > Don't they have cabs in London? A mile and a half? You could get one of those > wheelie carts and walk, couldn't you? Geez, stop making me go shopping. Would I walk three miles to go shopping? Probably not. It isn't worth that much to me. And cabs, dang, they are expensive, I mean really. It would probably be cheaper to have things delivered and I wouldn't have to deal with the hassle of actually picking things out. But if it was really that important to me, I could fit lots of stuff in my panniers and big backpack and ride there. I think I have a somewhat pathological inability to pay for various transport things like toll roads and parking spaces and cabs. It just seems so terribly wrong to me. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:20:21 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns974093C333C00spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Heidi" wrote in news:dp0rtg$hfq$1@news.spamcop.net: > > LOL.. the part about adopting a child being the worst bit I imagine! Oh yeah....gives me hives.....At my niece's baby shower, she got a blanket from my aunt that was satin on one side and really soft fleece on the other, and we were all saying how we loved it and wanted one for ourselves. At Christmas, she gives me a present with at tag that said "be careful what you wish for", inside was a pink baby blanket and I actually panicked for a second and said "I'M NOT HAVING A BABY!!!". She's like " Nooooo, you liked the BLANKET, remember?" Must be where that nightmare came from! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:20:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dpf42p$9il$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > For Heidi or the child (D&R) I'd say its about even steven there..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:23:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue > > (twice, even ;-) > > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > posterior doesn't count. Not as FFN, but still....ick.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:23:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:25:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > David Dean wrote: > > In article , > > "indigo" wrote: > > > >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue > >> (twice, even ;-) > > > > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > > posterior doesn't count. > > But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let > alone front, in the current political environment. That's one of the reasons the show went off the air, Bochco said so himself. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:24:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:25:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > But the FCC is working on getting jurisdiction over those too. The > FCC derives its authority in large part from the Constitutional clause > giving the Federal government jurisdiction over interstate commerce. > Cable systems at least would rarely fall under this since local > systems would rarely extend over state lines. But since they allowed all the media mergers the are only a few big cable players left, and they all span multiple states..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:25:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: . I went over to pet him, and he > growled at me, then stopped and looked at me, you could see him > thinking "wait, that's not right", then he started purring and > rubbing on me. He never said where he was..... Prolly just out cattin' around.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:26:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:30:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dpe5j7$nck$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > And meanwhile, the investigation in the Plamegate affair doddles on > > aimlessly....for what, 3 years now? > > > No idea what Fitgerald is doing now, hopefully he'll bring a few new > indictments, if Rove gets indicted my life will be made. Abramoff > cutting a deal isn't looking to good for a lot of people either. No kidding, some repugnicans are shaking in their boots right now... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:30:14 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:bp8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone > front, in the current political environment. Well then, thank goodness for HBO - anyone seen Rome? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Jan 4 16:39:21 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpgrh4$7pv$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: >> Nah, you can keep that title, I'll just take the Lover title. ;-) > > *That's* up for debate, buster...... > > > Not to me. ;-) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 11:45:21 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 11:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > You can't broadcast (or at least you can be punished afterwards for > breaking the rule) things that are considered indecent. And as we know, > what is considered indecent is highly subjective and changes over time. > So far, it only applies to broadcast channels, channels that use > public airwaves (tv and radio), and do not apply to cable or satellite. Yes, nipples and peepees are considered indecent. Bloody, shot, cut, decomposed bodies are not. BTW, have you seen the quit smoking ads they've been running in NY? Well, you probably haven't, I'll try to find them online somwhere. They show an autopsy and the guy who's in his 30's is having stuff squeezed out of his arteries like cheese, they also cut into a brain to show a blood clot. That to me is far more disturbing than seeing a nipple. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 16:59:12 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <5gbt83-pok.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Yes, nipples and peepees are considered indecent. Bloody, shot, cut, decomposed > bodies are not. BTW, have you seen the quit smoking ads they've been running in NY? > Well, you probably haven't, I'll try to find them online somwhere. They show an > autopsy and the guy who's in his 30's is having stuff squeezed out of his arteries > like cheese, they also cut into a brain to show a blood clot. That to me is far more > disturbing than seeing a nipple. Hmm, blood clots seem to be where they are going with all that. They have a anti-smoking campaign here too on that. Except they just show this little tiny bulge like on somebody's neck, smaller than a pea, and say smoking/blood clot/blah blah. But I can't see how it is very effective at all. When you are trying to scare somebody into not smoking, your first reaction can't be, wow, that's really tiny, hardly even visible at all. But you know, I'm all for changing indecency. I would be plenty happy with much less bloody decomposed and far more nipples (except for Janet Jackson's pierced one, that just kind of nasty.) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 16:40:40 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: > >> But the FCC is working on getting jurisdiction over those too. The >> FCC derives its authority in large part from the Constitutional clause >> giving the Federal government jurisdiction over interstate commerce. >> Cable systems at least would rarely fall under this since local >> systems would rarely extend over state lines. > > But since they allowed all the media mergers the are only a few big cable > players left, and they all span multiple states..... It is now five companies that control the majority of the media, it used to be six last year. But I know one of the arguments against the FCC having jurisdiction over low power broadcasting is that the signals are not likely to cross state lines, therefore it isn't interstate commerce. Cable could kind of make the same argument, in that a local system will likely just cover a community and will rarely cross a state line in that way. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 17:33:12 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> The most famous person in Stoke Newington is the founder of the >> Salvation Army. The most famous one in Tower Hamlets is some old MP and >> mayor of Poplar and I think the guy who built the Cutty Sark. Most of >> the really famous people (like Karl Marx) are in the one in Islington or >> the one on the west side of town, Kensal Green. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven%2C_London >> http://www.derelictlondon.com/cemetery.htm >> http://www.londoncemeteries.co.uk/ > > Oooh, how cool, I'd be right there with you-what amazing monuments, and a shame that > no one's looking after them. Can't believe they're digging up graves to put in > houses, I guess the spirits must be mad if there's poltergeist activity.... I kind of like the whole decayed part of it. The few places I've been to are pretty amazing. They are all like 30 acres or so of totally overgrown decaying splendor. They have almost become forests again. A few of them are still used for burials but most of them are not really used anymore. I guess everybody is buried in Woking now. And some of the places, the acts of Parliament that created them also specifies that once they are full they have to be turned into parks. But most of the cemeteries have some sort of friends of such and such cemetery group/charity and they work on maintaining them. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 17:04:50 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:bp8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone >> front, in the current political environment. > > Well then, thank goodness for HBO - anyone seen Rome? I think they just aired the last two episodes here a few days ago. (I never know, I'm generally about a week or two behind on watching the things I tape.) So far, I think it has been ok but I don't think it was all that great. I saw reviews that were saying it was the second greatest thing that HBO ever did (behind the Sopranos), but I just haven't been all that impressed by it. But apparently too, the BBC hacked up the first three episodes (combined them into two and cut out a lot of stuff) and I guess has edited some of the others. So, I guess I can't say that I've seen the HBO version. I could always look for them on bittorent, but it doesn't seem worth the effort for me. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:41:51 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > > John, I think you're trying to take the testosterone king of the NG | > > title from me....... | > | > Nah, you can keep that title, I'll just take the Lover title. ;-) | | *That's* up for debate, buster...... My take it's not up for discussion much less debate. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:43:49 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" | > | >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, | >> even ;-) | > | > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. | > posterior doesn't count. | | But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone | front, in the current political environment. No? policians are always showing their a**es ... From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:47:25 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43BC0A2D.354ADA8A@spamcop.net> David Dean wrote: > > In article <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net>, > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) > > What episode of _All in the Family_ featured full frontal nudity? The one where Archie changes his grandson's diaper. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:49:46 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > > And meanwhile, the investigation in the Plamegate affair doddles on | > > aimlessly....for what, 3 years now? | > > | > No idea what Fitgerald is doing now, hopefully he'll bring a few new | > indictments, if Rove gets indicted my life will be made. Abramoff | > cutting a deal isn't looking to good for a lot of people either. | | No kidding, some repugnicans are shaking in their boots right now... I think that's sloshing v. shaking and the brown stains are quite in evidence. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:26:38 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net... > Bcs1 wrote: > [...] >> FFN = Full Frontal Nudity >> >> and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels > [...] > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) > of course I did, but never saw that in there.... hell even the sci-fi channel pixilated the shots of Zev in that show about the flying bug and Stanley tweedle "The Lexx" From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:27:36 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-77ECFE.11093604012006@frylock.local... > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, >> even ;-) > > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > posterior doesn't count. > agreed and isn't it "sch"? D&R Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:35:06 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:bp8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > David Dean wrote: >> In article , >> "indigo" wrote: >> >>> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue >>> (twice, >>> even ;-) >> >> If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. >> posterior doesn't count. > > But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone > front, in the current political environment. that may be, but no matter what administration is in power, all have viewed scenes like that (FFN) as a "NO-NO" on normal TV, hence the popularity (in part) of cable, and that leads back to the point I was making that it's pay TV, they paid for it KNOWING that there aren't as many restrictions as broadcast TV, and knowing the type show it is, they shouldn't whine like it's all unexpected... if they don't like it, then don't continue to buy it FFS... and after all it's South Park....they thrive on satire and stuff, that's one of the reason's the show's so popular...... and funny too IMO remember the episode where Santa got in a fight with Jesus?... (over who was the most important to the Christmas season) didn't hear anyone whining about that one did we? Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:35:55 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dph1nr$bkt$3@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mr K. Mean" > | > > | >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue > (twice, > | >> even ;-) > | > > | > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > | > posterior doesn't count. > | > | But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone > | front, in the current political environment. > > No? policians are always showing their a**es ... > > LOL agreed... Bill From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 18:28:20 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" > | > > | >> Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue > (twice, > | >> even ;-) > | > > | > If you saw his shlong, that would qualify as full frontal nudity. > | > posterior doesn't count. > | > | But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let alone > | front, in the current political environment. > > No? policians are always showing their a**es ... Generally they are not showing you anything below the waist though. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:42:34 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dpgu5f$9g0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> >> You can't broadcast (or at least you can be punished afterwards for >> breaking the rule) things that are considered indecent. And as we know, >> what is considered indecent is highly subjective and changes over time. >> So far, it only applies to broadcast channels, channels that use >> public airwaves (tv and radio), and do not apply to cable or satellite. > > Yes, nipples and peepees are considered indecent. Bloody, shot, cut, > decomposed > bodies are not. BTW, have you seen the quit smoking ads they've been > running in NY? > Well, you probably haven't, I'll try to find them online somwhere. They > show an > autopsy and the guy who's in his 30's is having stuff squeezed out of his > arteries > like cheese, they also cut into a brain to show a blood clot. That to me > is far more > disturbing than seeing a nipple. > > I agree with that, but unfortunately the purveyors of "anti-p0rn" don't From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:46:25 2006 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: :) References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in message news:dp8ps4$p52$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Redstone" wrote in message > news:Xns973E1834D1200tinlc@216.154.195.61... >> "Bcs1" wrote in news:dp3275$o3k$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >> >>> yeah there's defiantly a niche there if someone has the >>> time/resources to >>> do it, however no matter what type of cool case I could end up >>> creating, it would never hit it big in the gaming community, if >>> nothing else other than the fact that I absolutely, positively, >>> unequivocally refuse to sell a system with an AMD processor in it... >>> >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> >> Yowch.. I take it you had bad experiences with AMD processors? >> >> >> > to the tune of several hundred dollars worth of CPU's and that's not > counting the extra time/labor/replacement Intel CPUs for the customer's > machines..... or the loss of a huge account.. :( > which in and of it's self wouldn't have been so bad except for the "Oh > well I'm sorry to hear that Sir, however I don't see how we can help you" > answer from the AMD rep... (as recounted from one of my former partner's > conversation with the AMD rep about 4 years ago) so haven't sold a new one > since, and when I have had occasion to have a system that was upgraded > here, and the left-over parts were AMD they got sold > "as-is" to whoever wanted them, with no warranty at all. With that said, I > wouldn't sell anything used that I hadn't hooked up to make sure it > posted/worked, but I don't even build refurbs out of amd parts because I > also offer a warranty on refurbished systems as well. > > So while it's been a few years, and AMD's products have improved (I > think), I still don't sell them and probably won't, unless they wanna make > an effort to show me that a. their product has improved and b.the guy who > said they could help us at the time was wrong and they are willing to make > up for it now. > > and with business being what it is today, I doubt they'll go the extra > mile on "b." > > Bill > > hmm that should have been "couldn't", not could.... sowwy.... Bill From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:13:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "indigo" ! > > Charles wrote: > > >> You have insurance through your employer. They are paying some > >> company, say Orange Shoe, to provide this insurance. > > > > Nope. We're self insured > > Well, that's silly. Sheesh. How am I supposed to help you??? I don't even remember WTF we're talking about anymore....... > > > > we just use a health management company to > > manage the system. I'd probably have to buy separate co-insurance > > and pay out the nose for it since it wouldn't be subsidized by my > > company. > > You might want to talk to the company about offering better coverage. > Of course, during difficult times this may not be a really high > priority for them... And I need it why, again? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:18:56 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <5gbt83-pok.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:5gbt83-pok.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > Hmm, blood clots seem to be where they are going with all that. They > have a anti-smoking campaign here too on that. Except they just show > this little tiny bulge like on somebody's neck, smaller than a pea, and > say smoking/blood clot/blah blah. But I can't see how it is very > effective at all. When you are trying to scare somebody into not > smoking, your first reaction can't be, wow, that's really tiny, hardly > even visible at all. These ads were much more graphic - they showed autopsy photos, first the guy's artery, which was FULL of plaque and gunk, it was disgusting, then the blood clot, and something else I can't recall at the moment. If I smoked and saw what they were squeezing out of this guy's artery, I wouldn't touch them again. The interesting thing is that all of the people that had died and were being used as examples were all under *40*. I wish I could find a link on line, I can't even find any reference to them, saw the story on the Today show. > > But you know, I'm all for changing indecency. I would be plenty happy > with much less bloody decomposed and far more nipples (except for Janet > Jackson's pierced one, that just kind of nasty.) I can't figure out why they're so bad....we can see boys nipples, but not girls, which is kinda stupid. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:26:04 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:mqbt83-evk.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > > I think they just aired the last two episodes here a few days ago. (I > never know, I'm generally about a week or two behind on watching the > things I tape.) So far, I think it has been ok but I don't think it was > all that great. I saw reviews that were saying it was the second > greatest thing that HBO ever did (behind the Sopranos), but I just > haven't been all that impressed by it. But apparently too, the BBC > hacked up the first three episodes (combined them into two and cut out a > lot of stuff) and I guess has edited some of the others. So, I guess I > can't say that I've seen the HBO version. I could always look for them > on bittorent, but it doesn't seem worth the effort for me. Usually it's the US that takes British tv and hacks it up to fit in commercials. What's most interesting to me is what a production it must have been to make, pretty extraordinary set they had there. There are or were some 'making of Rome' shows on On Demand, I should watch them if they're still there. The stories were interesting, and the machinations of old Rome, might be worth seeing on DVD if you can get it. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:30:08 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: Cable > could kind of make the same argument, in that a local system will > likely just cover a community and will rarely cross a state line in > that way. But that's not really true, except for the "local" big outlets (CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, and, and, and......hell, UPN don't count ;-) All the other cable channels are regional/ national, i.e. FX, CNN, TBS, etc. carry the exact same shows/content regardless of where they are being watched. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:31:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:bp8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let > > alone front, in the current political environment. > > Well then, thank goodness for HBO - anyone seen Rome? Never got into it. Any good? Speaking of which, "Alexander" is on HBO now, don't anyone bother wasting their time....what a POS movie....and frigging gay to top it off.....(not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:33:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Yes, (female) nipples and peepees are considered indecent. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:35:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <43BC0A2D.354ADA8A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > David Dean wrote: > > > > In article <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net>, > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) > > > > What episode of _All in the Family_ featured full frontal nudity? > > The one where Archie changes his grandson's diaper. EGADS! Child porn! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:37:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > that may be, but no matter what administration is in power, all have > viewed scenes like that (FFN) as a "NO-NO" on normal TV, Except for Schindler's List. But with this administration they wouldn't even allow Saving Private Ryan to be shown unedited (for language), so I'm guessing SL will never be seen on public TV again. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:40:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:45:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > > > But it is extremely unlikely that you will see any male rear, let > > alone front, in the current political environment. > > You don't see much /male/ FFN even in R rated movies... And the ones you DO get are like Harvey Keitel.......oik.....and Heidi thinks *I'm* a hairy ape! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:46:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Was C and C something References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpgrh4$7pv$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > > > JohnL wrote: > >> Nah, you can keep that title, I'll just take the Lover title. ;-) > > > > *That's* up for debate, buster...... > > > > > > > > Not to me. ;-) Shall remain unresolved unless we can find a willing, uh......evaluator? ;-) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:53:04 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 14:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dph7r2$fvh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Never got into it. Any good? Speaking of which, "Alexander" is on HBO now, > don't anyone bother wasting their time....what a POS movie....and frigging > gay to top it off.....(not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) > I missed the first few episodes in order, but it was On Demand so I watched them in order and I quite liked it, the stories are interesting, but the scenery, set dressing, whatever you call it, that was amazing. Lots of blood and violence, though. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:58:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dph7r2$fvh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Never got into it. Any good? Speaking of which, "Alexander" is on > > HBO now, don't anyone bother wasting their time....what a POS > > movie....and frigging gay to top it off.....(not that there's > > anything wrong with that ;-) > > > I missed the first few episodes in order, but it was On Demand so I > watched them in order and I quite liked it, the stories are > interesting, but the scenery, set dressing, whatever you call it, > that was amazing. Lots of blood and violence, though. Blood and violence? On HBO? Surely you jest! And to think, still two long months until the Sopranos returns.....although 24 starts next week, IIRC. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:57:20 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:00:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dph8at$gb5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > And the ones you DO get are like Harvey Keitel.......oik.....and Heidi > thinks *I'm* a hairy ape! > Well, then there's Bruce Willis in the Color of Night, I think, and Kevin Bacon in Wild Things, Mark Wahlberg's [fake] peepee in that porn movie, and even in Rome, giving servants as gifts because they're hung like donkeys. LOL... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 14:58:38 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:00:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > I think I have a somewhat pathological inability to pay for various > transport things like toll roads and parking spaces and cabs. It just > seems so terribly wrong to me. Well cabbies are at least providing a service. How about all the pay restrooms in England? No such thing as a free wee over there, I hear, cost you a pound just to use the loo, even more in Harrods, I think. What's up with that? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:02:38 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpgsub$8ns$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > . I went over to pet him, and he > > growled at me, then stopped and looked at me, you could see him > > thinking "wait, that's not right", then he started purring and > > rubbing on me. He never said where he was..... > > Prolly just out cattin' around.... I don't think so, he liked his 'sleeping on my bed' too much, he liked to hunt but he was a lazyass most of the time. I think he was either inadvertently taken somewhere or got locked in someplace, a garage or something, and had to make his way home. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:03:50 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ufdt83-k9m.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > I kind of like the whole decayed part of it. The few places I've been > to are pretty amazing. They are all like 30 acres or so of totally > overgrown decaying splendor. They have almost become forests again. > > A few of them are still used for burials but most of them are not really > used anymore. I guess everybody is buried in Woking now. And some of > the places, the acts of Parliament that created them also specifies that > once they are full they have to be turned into parks. But most of the > cemeteries have some sort of friends of such and such cemetery > group/charity and they work on maintaining them. I hate to see gravestones trashed and vandalized, some of the really old ones are beautiful. There's a certain mystique though, to where they are overgrown with vines, and tree roots bumping around the headstones. The idea of pulling up bones and caskets to put in a housing development is appalling to me, though. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:06:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dph9d8$gup$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Blood and violence? On HBO? Surely you jest! And to think, still two long > months until the Sopranos returns.....although 24 starts next week, IIRC. There's a pretty spectacular fight scene toward the end where one man was thrown to the gladiators after being convicted of killing a slave, I think. Legs came off, stabbings, beating over the head with metal weapons, unbelievably gory. I missed the end of the Sopranos last year, or I forgot. Didn't Tony and Carmella get back together with no explanation? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:08:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:10:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dph8at$gb5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > And the ones you DO get are like Harvey Keitel.......oik.....and > > Heidi thinks *I'm* a hairy ape! > > > Well, then there's Bruce Willis in the Color of Night, I think, and > Kevin Bacon in Wild Things, Mark Wahlberg's [fake] peepee in that > porn movie, and even in Rome, giving servants as gifts because > they're hung like donkeys. LOL... Well, of course it would take a woman to remember all the others..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:09:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dph9d8$gup$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Blood and violence? On HBO? Surely you jest! And to think, still > > two long months until the Sopranos returns.....although 24 starts > > next week, IIRC. > > There's a pretty spectacular fight scene toward the end where one man > was thrown to the gladiators after being convicted of killing a > slave, I think. Legs came off, stabbings, beating over the head with > metal weapons, unbelievably gory. No thanks..... > > I missed the end of the Sopranos last year, or I forgot. Didn't Tony > and Carmella get back together with no explanation? I *think* he was talking about moving back in.....don't recall if he actually did though. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:11:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > > > I think I have a somewhat pathological inability to pay for various > > transport things like toll roads and parking spaces and cabs. It > > just seems so terribly wrong to me. > > Well cabbies are at least providing a service. How about all the pay > restrooms in England? No such thing as a free wee over there, I > hear, cost you a pound just to use the loo, even more in Harrods, I > think. What's up with that? You have to pay to use the loo inside of a store that you're patronizing? What kind of lunacy is that?! Guess it's to keep all the riff-raff froming coming in off the street to avoid paying to use the public ones..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:12:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > . The idea of pulling up bones and caskets to put in a > housing development is appalling to me, though. I'd NEVER buy a house that was built on a moved graveyard.....would give me the creeps. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jan 4 21:13:49 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:15:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:59:46 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, > even ;-) Ever seen "City Of Angels"? Dennis Franz (who plays Sipowicz in NYPD Blue) goes skinny dipping there too... -- Steve Money isn't everything, but at least it keeps the kids in touch. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:14:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:15:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Prolly just out cattin' around.... > > I don't think so, he liked his 'sleeping on my bed' too much, he > liked to hunt but he was a lazyass most of the time. I think he was > either inadvertently taken somewhere or got locked in someplace, a > garage or something, and had to make his way home. Thought only dogs could find there way home from long distances.... From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jan 4 21:14:40 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:15:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:30:14 -0500, Spamvireslayer coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Well then, thank goodness for HBO - anyone seen Rome? I'll bet they had fun auditioning for that part :o) -- Steve Money isn't everything, but at least it keeps the kids in touch. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jan 4 21:22:03 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:20:39 -0500, Spamvireslayer coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> For Heidi or the child (D&R) > > I'd say its about even steven there..... Everyone else says I'm rather odd for some reason or other... -- Steve Notice spotted in a field: THE FARMER ALLOWS WALKERS TO CROSS THE FIELD FOR FREE, BUT THE BULL CHARGES From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:33:07 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Oh, this is SOOO juicy Message-ID: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1970350,00.html President George Bush will pay back donations made to his 2004 re-election campaign by Jack Abramoff, the disgraced Republican lobbyist at the heart of a Capitol Hill bribery investigation, the White House said today. The President will donate the money he received from Abramoff, his wife and and one of Abramoff's clients to the American Heart Association, his press secretary, Scott McClennan, said this morning. Abramoff, his wife and the Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe of Michigan all gave a maximum personal donation of $2,000 to the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign, according to a Republican National Committee spokeswoman. "As it stands, this is what we are returning," she said. The $6,000 total is however believed to be a fraction of the total contributions that Abramoff directed towards Mr Bush's campaign. Mr Abramoff was recognised by the Republican party as a "Pioneer" donor to Mr Bush's campaign for persuading fellow supporters to give more than $100,000 towards the effort. The highest level of donors, known as "Rangers", contributed $200,000. [and this "YEAH RIGHT" quote:] Mr McClellan added that Mr Bush does not know Abramoff, a devout Jew who attended three Hanukkah receptions at the White House. "The president doesn't know him, he does not recall meeting him," he said. But he added: "It is possible that he could have met him at a holiday reception or some other widely attended event." From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:39:35 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dphaa8$hm5$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Thought only dogs could find there way home from long distances.... Dunno, he certainly seemed like he had been on a very long road trip, the way he looked when he came home. I think I've heard of cats doing that though, so maybe he was just one of those smart ones.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:41:04 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:45:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpha56$hlc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > You have to pay to use the loo inside of a store that you're patronizing? > What kind of lunacy is that?! Guess it's to keep all the riff-raff froming > coming in off the street to avoid paying to use the public ones..... > I remember pay toilets here, I think they did away with them because of civil rights violations, poor people couldn't afford to pee and couldn't be excluded. How they get away with it in Britain is beyond me. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:46:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > I remember pay toilets here, I think they did away with them because > of civil rights violations, poor people couldn't afford to pee and > couldn't be excluded. How they get away with it in Britain is beyond > me. How's "no Bill of Rights" sound? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 15:47:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 4 15:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:59:46 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > > > Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue > > (twice, even ;-) > > Ever seen "City Of Angels"? Nope. > > Dennis Franz (who plays Sipowicz in NYPD Blue) goes skinny dipping > there too... And now I'll make sure I never do ;-) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Jan 4 17:00:45 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:05:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody wrote: > However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form > of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring > some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point > that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked > out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing > to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) More likely the latter. Nobody gets "kicked out of AA" for being an atheist. > To me, that would > be the same as making "going to Church" a requirement of a probation > sentence. AA does not cooperate with the courts on this. It's an unwilling participant. If the program is going to work at all, the person has to want to join. If she's not there of her own volition, she's just marking time to make the judge happy. Judges get away with this because most AA meetings are open to the public. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 17:07:49 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-FC0B6F.10134904012006@frylock.local... > In article , > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > It's not a religion, either. If 12-Step programs were religions, I wouldn't > > have > > anything to do with them. > > This is where I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I find AA > practices (probably because of the groups I have come into contact with) > to be very religious and intolerant of those who are not religious. You > may be right that it doesn't have to be that way, but IMO it is. Shouldn't that be IME (In My Experience) rather than IMO (In My Opinion)? Of course, opinion is generally based on experience, but you seem to be the kind of person who would not base one's opinion solely on one's experience. Miss Betsy From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Jan 4 17:10:30 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > > > And meanwhile, the investigation in the Plamegate affair > > doddles on aimlessly....for what, 3 years now? > > > No idea what Fitgerald is doing now, hopefully he'll bring a > few new indictments, if Rove gets indicted my life will be > made. Abramoff cutting a deal isn't looking to good for a lot > of people either. Fitzgerald convened a new grand jury last month. Since he will have to go over with the new GJ much of the ground the previous GJ covered, a laborious process, calling the new jury means Fitz still has fish to fry. If Rove et al. thought they could breathe easy when the old jury indicted only Libby, they were wrong. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Jan 4 17:13:48 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh, this is SOOO juicy References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1970350,00.html > > President George Bush will pay back donations made to his 2004 > re-election campaign by Jack Abramoff, the disgraced Republican > lobbyist at the heart of a Capitol Hill bribery investigation, > the White House said today. > > The President will donate the money he received from Abramoff, > his wife and and one of Abramoff's clients to the American > Heart Association, his press secretary, Scott McClennan, said > this morning. And this is supposed to make it all right? Make it like it never happened? That wouldn't work for, say, a bank robber: "I've giving the money to the United Way. Now you can't put me in jail. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah!" -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 17:15:47 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> <6u7t83-2mi.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:6u7t83-2mi.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form > > of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring > > some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point > > that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked > > out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing > > to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) To me, that would > > be the same as making "going to Church" a requirement of a probation > > sentence. > > That in particular is what started this whole discussion. In the South > Park episode, Stan's dad, as part of his drunk driving sentence, was > required to go to AA, and thus his remark "God damn it, I didn't know > this was a religious group" or something to that effect. Obviously the script writer went to the same meetings as David, but not the ones DF attended. Miss Betsy From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Jan 4 17:14:46 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:15:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: In article , JohnL wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > > > JohnL wrote: > > > >> That's why, even tho it is addicting, Morphine is the safest pain > >> medication she can take. From every doctor we've talked to, other > >> than the addiction, there's no effects on her body. > > > > "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" > > Well, if it's between addiction, failed organs or EXTREME pain, there's > only one way to go. True, but addiction is nothing to sneeze at. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 17:22:43 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > Bcs1 wrote: > > [...] > >> FFN = Full Frontal Nudity > >> > >> and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels > > [...] > > > > I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) > > You can't broadcast (or at least you can be punished afterwards for > breaking the rule) things that are considered indecent. And as we know, > what is considered indecent is highly subjective and changes over time. > So far, it only applies to broadcast channels, channels that use > public airwaves (tv and radio), and do not apply to cable or satellite. > > But the FCC is working on getting jurisdiction over those too. The FCC > derives its authority in large part from the Constitutional clause > giving the Federal government jurisdiction over interstate commerce. It's just like the s word. I don't get HBO any more since I discovered what goes on late at night. If enough consumers did so, there would be no problem. However, those who get their connectivity via comcast don't really care that comcast allows porn to be broadcast to little old ladies. Miss Betsy From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Jan 4 22:24:13 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:25:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I could use some advice References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- 3754A3.17144604012006@news.cesmail.net: > In article , > JohnL wrote: >> Well, if it's between addiction, failed organs or EXTREME pain, there's >> only one way to go. > > True, but addiction is nothing to sneeze at. I agree with that, but what real choice is there at this time? She was able last year to drop the dosage over half and didn't have much problems. A few withdrawal symptoms, sweats, the shakes at times, but not too major. It took a few weeks to do it, but she made it thru that. >From what has been happening, she may be on some kind of dosage for a real long time, if not forever. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Jan 4 22:27:58 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <5gbt83-pok.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dph75e$fh6$1@news.spamcop.net: > These ads were much more graphic - they showed autopsy photos, first > the guy's artery, which was FULL of plaque and gunk, it was > disgusting, then the blood clot, and something else I can't recall at > the moment. If I smoked and saw what they were squeezing out of this > guy's artery, I wouldn't touch them again. The interesting thing is > that all of the people that had died and were being used as examples > were all under *40*. I wish I could find a link on line, I can't > even find any reference to them, saw the story on the Today show. One of the ads they were showing up here, haven't seen it lately was pictures of a lung, cut open. It was totally black and really made you feel sick. My S.O. (we stopped smoking over 5 years ago now) said up until she seen those pictures, she still had urges to smoke, but no longer. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 17:27:46 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | | Notice spotted in a field: | THE FARMER ALLOWS WALKERS TO CROSS THE FIELD | FOR FREE, BUT THE BULL CHARGES a service fee? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jan 4 23:54:18 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:22:43 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > However, those who get their connectivity via comcast don't really > care that comcast allows porn to be broadcast to little old ladies. Pr0n on TV, unlike spam, can be eliminated with a 100% success rate by switching to another channel or turning the TV off. -- Steve If you don't pay your exorcist, do you get repossessed? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Jan 5 00:01:25 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:36:14 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > But if you live on a busy road, I'd say your cats would be better off > kept indoors. Or don't have cats. Agreed. The road where we were at the time wasn't particularly busy to start with, but then traffic grew exponentially. Where my parents are now they may see 2 or 3 cars over the course of the day so their ageing husky and the 4 cats aren't in any particular danger. Where I am the road is quiet but there are plenty of easily accessible (for a cat) rooftops to roam around and pigeons to chase. Unfortunately there are no cats in residence here any more and, quite frankly, I couldn't afford to look after one properly nowadays. -- Steve Sign spotted on a repair shop door: WE CAN REPAIR ANYTHING. (PLEASE KNOCK HARD ON THE DOOR - THE BELL DOESN'T WORK) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Jan 5 00:02:51 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:05:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Indi References: Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:40:11 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Yeah, hubby's done so many this past year or so that he's now a total > skeptic and won't install things for ages until the computer in > question has proved it's not going to muck about. If he's using Windows he's in for a long wait before installing anything :o) -- Steve Reason #173 to fear technology: o o o o o o ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \| | /\ >\ /< >\ /< >\ /< >\ o> o o o o o o o \ x <\> <)> |\ /< >\ /< >\ /< >\ >> L Mr. email does the Macarena. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 23:11:36 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > LOL@civilisation. I see you've rapidly assimilated into your environment > even to the point of developing the snobbery of the 'north of the thames' > crowd. You should have seen it when they split the area code from 01 into > 071 and 081 back in the early 90s. If you had an 081 number you were an > outcast LOL. I think they've changed it yet again - what's your area code? > It would have been 01 back in the day but not any more! The main source of my snobbery just might be the stupid steps, 85 I think I counted, going up and down carrying my bike so that I can go through the Greenwich foot tunnel when the elevators are not running (basically any time I want to go through it). But I like to fit in, I can adapt to my surroundings. Hmm, what is my phone number, I think it is 0208. I don't think I've actually given out my home phone number to anybody. I'm not home much so it wouldn't do much good. Not that I could actually remember my number to give it to anybody. I just give them my cell phone number. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 23:14:30 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org: > >> I think I have a somewhat pathological inability to pay for various >> transport things like toll roads and parking spaces and cabs. It just >> seems so terribly wrong to me. > > Good thing you don't try running a car in Manhattan then! I'm amazed at that, some of my co-workers there must spend at least $20 a day on just tolls. The whole concept is just so foreign to me. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 4 23:27:14 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in news:3mqs83-ega.ln1 > Now how lazy does one have to be to not even bother with ordering stuff > online?! LOL Sainsbury's and Tesco will both deliver. Umm, pretty lazy. I guess I could just say I don't want to support the evil big stores that are driving the corner stores out of business. Does that sound better? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnificent_Seven%2C_London >> http://www.derelictlondon.com/cemetery.htm >> http://www.londoncemeteries.co.uk/ > > How cool! Have you ever been to any of them after dark? I bet it's pretty > creepy. I like the gravestone with the horse's head on it, wonder what > that's about. They are not supposed to be open after dark. I would have to crawl over the gates. But I did see the Tower Hamlets one had a gap in the fence, it might be interesting to sneak through one night. One that was kind of cool at night, probably the last one I've been in way after dark was the one in Princeton, NJ. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 18:17:01 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <5gbt83-pok.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97419D5948618innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in | news:dph75e$fh6$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > These ads were much more graphic - they showed autopsy photos, first | > the guy's artery, which was FULL of plaque and gunk, it was | > disgusting, then the blood clot, and something else I can't recall at | > the moment. If I smoked and saw what they were squeezing out of this | > guy's artery, I wouldn't touch them again. The interesting thing is | > that all of the people that had died and were being used as examples | > were all under *40*. I wish I could find a link on line, I can't | > even find any reference to them, saw the story on the Today show. | | One of the ads they were showing up here, haven't seen it lately was | pictures of a lung, cut open. It was totally black and really made you feel | sick. | My S.O. (we stopped smoking over 5 years ago now) said up until she seen | those pictures, she still had urges to smoke, but no longer. More telling is the longer between smoking session and the lung biopsy the less ugly they look. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 18:22:06 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 4 18:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | > However, those who get their connectivity via comcast don't really | > care that comcast allows porn to be broadcast to little old ladies. | | Pr0n on TV, unlike spam, can be eliminated with a 100% success rate by | switching to another channel or turning the TV off. I, and more precisely my grand kids, should have to make that determination for the general broadcast TV system. Cable to a lesser extent is another matter. Cable company had an unannounced promo sneak preview some time back. We did not catch the movie until it was too far into the program. Had a lot of explaining to do to both the kids and to DSS. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 19:01:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 19:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Coal mine disaster Message-ID: Is it my imagination, or does the coal company CEO bear a striking resemblance to "Brownie"? And not in a good way. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 20:15:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh, this is SOOO juicy References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-> > And this is supposed to make it all right? Make it like it never happened? > > That wouldn't work for, say, a bank robber: "I've giving the money to the United > Way. Now you can't put me in jail. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah!" Hilarious, isn't it? They're not even TRYING to be transparent. What I love is his denial of even knowing him - what bullshit. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 20:22:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > hehehehehe, did you think she was gonna foist a baby on you? LOL "Oh here > by the way, I adopted a kid for you" LOL I know! I was kind of amazed at my own borderline hysterical reaction, must have been the vicodin or something, making me crazy.... :D From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 20:26:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:30:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dphksn$nv5$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm amazed at that, some of my co-workers there must spend at least $20 > a day on just tolls. The whole concept is just so foreign to me. $20 A DAY? Not a week? How the hell does anyone live on $400 less a month for tolls? That's nuts... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 20:28:08 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > I think it's about 20p to pee LOL in the stations in England. I guess they pay > for their upkeep that way. It's better than in the old days when the public > toilets were really not anywhere you'd want to go into. I wouldn't have > thought Harrods would charge you to use their loos, seems a bit off! I just saw a special on Harrods, (that Al Fayed is a creep....) I think they do charge, maybe if you're a customer of have a receipt that you'd bought something they'd let you in, but I think you still have to pay. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 20:29:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 20:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > Oh man, I need a girdle to stop my sides splitting here. Just imagining him > with a granny cart. heheheheheh How is that bad? He could save himself the embarrassement and take a cab for a whole mile, but nooooo, let him be embarrassed then.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 21:37:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Jan 4 21:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9741CBEB5426CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Yes, but... That was the start of the thread - the poor guy has gone deaf. > Outside he'd be dinner in a heartbeat and yet inside, well, he'd be sad > (that he's not making someone else his dinner). So... Keep him around > almost happy or let him go out to meet his almsost certain demise??? If you think his quality of life is that poor just from being deaf and kept inside, you could just put him to sleep. I doubt he's that unhappy though, especially if he's got some other health problem going on that's making him lose weight From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 09:59:16 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-99671C.09341503012006@frylock.local... > In article , > I won't call you a fascist. But something is wrong when someone calls > "family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity" more > important than health. > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. In the context of his article it makes sense... but otherwise I'd agree with you. :) Chris From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 10:01:27 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: <2ofq83-jem.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Basically, it was supposed to be a longer explanation for this: Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western Civilization as it commits suicide. It wasn't my words originally but it seems to fit. Chris "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:2ofq83-jem.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > I'm utterly confused about what the point was being made was. As far as > could tell, he was saying the west is going to fall because the > "Islamic jihadists" are going to out breed us. And then lots of stuff > about the decline of natural resources and environmental destruction > being a myth. "We?re pretty much awash in resources, but we?re running > out of people." > > I mean it is probably somewhat true that the west is going to be a > growing minority, but what that really seems to mean to me is that we > need to be trying harder to bring the population growth all over the > world under control (i.e., don't let fundamentalist Christian agendas > block sustainable population growth). His argument reminds me of the > missile gap in nuclear weapons. There is no thought about trying to > reduce the danger by eliminating arms but the only answer is to just > build more so that we can destroy the world 10 times over instead of > just 8 times. So, you better get out there and breed, the west is > counting on you. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 10:13:53 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:25 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpe882$p5q$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sounds like something I read over the weekend.....abortion legislation in > Central/South America.....multiple countries ban it outright, the shrub > holds the purse strings on the aid and of course applies pressure with that, > but the clincher was several neocon USA congressmen personally contacting 7 > members of the Uraguyan Congress to pressure them into denying a bill > allowing abortions (any kind, even for health reasons). The bill failed by 3 > votes......our fascists in action.... Yeah, that's BS. We shouldn't be meddling with their congress. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 10:18:06 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:29 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Technomage Hawke" wrote in message news:dpevo0$6ks$1@news.spamcop.net... > account suspended > > Your account has been suspended. We have sent you an email explaining why. > This email should also contain information on how you can unsuspend your > account. > *********** > > gee, I guess your site is down..... > Not my site :) Chris From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 10:20:10 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:33 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: It mainly had to due with how the west does business lately and how if we don't change soon we won't be able to go back to where we were... Chris "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dpf0ua$7hl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Don't worry, you are not missing much. Most of it was pretty incoherent > rambling. Maybe a few sentences made interesting points but overall I > couldn't follow much of it at all. I read a few pages worth of it until > I got frustrated and just started scanning it to see if there was any of > it that made sense. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out how the > paragraphs related to each other or an overall point. I guess it was > meant mostly as a religious every sperm is sacred rant with an > anti-Islamic edge to it. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Wed Jan 4 10:26:18 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Jan 4 23:25:36 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: My guess is it had too much traffic. Not from YOU guys but from the other site that I pulled it from. Chris "Bcs1" wrote in message news:dpf6tf$beb$1@news.spamcop.net... > this is all I saw when I went there > > account suspended > Your account has been suspended. We have sent you an email explaining why. > This email should also contain information on how you can unsuspend your > account. > > > > oh well thanks for the thought.... > > Bill > > > > From edb2000 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 22:21:51 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Thu Jan 5 01:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Kenneth Brody wrote: > >>Bcs1 wrote: >>[...] >> >>>FFN = Full Frontal Nudity >>> >>>and that's not allowed on the "normal" channels >> >>[...] >> >>I guess you never watched "All in the Family"? :-) >> > > > Or had the misfortune to see Andy Sipowitz's fat ass on NYPD Blue (twice, > even ;-) His fat ass is in front, is it? From edb2000 at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 22:34:49 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Thu Jan 5 01:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > >>>Prolly just out cattin' around.... >> >>I don't think so, he liked his 'sleeping on my bed' too much, he >>liked to hunt but he was a lazyass most of the time. I think he was >>either inadvertently taken somewhere or got locked in someplace, a >>garage or something, and had to make his way home. > > > Thought only dogs could find there way home from long distances.... Not a chance. Our family cat disappeared when we moved to temporary quarters about 10 miles from our home, in preparation to moving cross-country. We thought we'd never see him again. One week later, he was found at our old house, sitting among the iris plants in his usual hang-out. He found his way 10 miles from a place he'd never been, and got back to his home. *I* would have been hard-pressed to navigate that 10 miles back on the first try, let alone on foot. Four small feet. Rest of story: he moved with us cross-country, and had a long and happy life, to 18. A remarkable cat. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:13:32 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:15:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dpgj1k$2tb$1@news.spamcop.net... > There is mathematical support that limiting family size does reduce the > level of poverty in a given family on the presumption that INCOME/2+n is an > inverse function. Interestingly enough adding education into that equation > greatly reduces the effects of 'n' increases. > The problem is that some people want to increase education and limit size of families for the 'family's' sake while others promote birth control, but not education, simply to reduce 'their' taxes. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:17:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > There is mathematical support that limiting family size does | reduce the level of poverty in a given family on the presumption that | INCOME/2+n is an inverse function. Interestingly enough adding education into | that equation greatly reduces the effects of 'n' increases. | | The problem is that some people want to increase education and | limit size of families for the 'family's' sake while others promote | birth control, but not education, simply to reduce 'their' taxes. | There are glaring flaws in both positions. Basically the practice of 'my idea/ideal' your task has never worked and likely never will. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:29:31 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndrokgq.hod.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:22:43 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > > > However, those who get their connectivity via comcast don't really > > care that comcast allows porn to be broadcast to little old ladies. > > Pr0n on TV, unlike spam, can be eliminated with a 100% success rate by > switching to another channel or turning the TV off. However, unlike some people who have to use comcast as their ISP, I don't have to 'pay' someone who broadcasts things I don't watch. There is a bell curve on how much one sacrifices in order to support one's principles. For me, canceling HBO is not a sacrifice. I don't go so far to turn off the TV entirely because of AS's butt, but some people would. (Actually, NYPD was an excellent show - and most of the controversial scenes, IMHO, could have been eliminated without hurting the quality, but there were some that probably 'needed' to be there). Nonetheless, every penny that is paid to a supplier that pollutes or otherwise harms society contributes to the problem. I bet there are little old ladies who would find another ISP if they understood. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:49:20 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quote to enjoy Message-ID: Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. I found this quote from Yeats in 'The Peter Plan' I thought it was apropos to many issues discussed in this forum Miss Betsy -- From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:55:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:22:43 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > > > However, those who get their connectivity via comcast don't really > > care that comcast allows porn to be broadcast to little old ladies. > > Pr0n on TV, unlike spam, can be eliminated with a 100% success rate by > switching to another channel or turning the TV off. And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or Cinemax "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with naked men (no FFN for them though), but it's not hardly real porn... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:57:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Uh, hello! I'm not talking about LTD - I'm talking about insurance in > general - you were the one complaining about your coverage on meds, in > particular... Oh, THAT.....a potential hit of $1000 per year ain't enough for me to get my panties in a wad enough to actually *do* anything about it (except whine ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 09:01:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Steven Maesslein wrote in > news:slrndrnavs.4ne.nobody@127.0.0.1: > > > > Cats are meant to go out and hunt, get excercise, get the fresh air. > > Keeping a cat penned in a house is extremely selfish on the part of > > the human. > > > > But if you live on a busy road, I'd say your cats would be better off > kept indoors. Or don't have cats. I agree, and would add that it's extremely selfish of the owners who let their cats roam free -- if I had a nickel for every cat nest sleeping hole dug in my flowerbeds, every dead baby rabbit or bird left in said gardens, etc, etc,....I'd be a rich man. Let alone the cat shit I find in my flower beds. No different than letting your dog run free thru the neighborhood, cats are just a destructive to other people's property unless you live on acres of land (not likely). From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 09:19:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org: > > > > I think I have a somewhat pathological inability to pay for various > > transport things like toll roads and parking spaces and cabs. It > > just seems so terribly wrong to me. > > > > Good thing you don't try running a car in Manhattan then! Or drive from south of Baltimore to Philadelphia on I-95......it'll cost ya nearly $20 in tolls....frigging Delaware pays for most of their state budget by screwing folks passing thru the state on one short 11 mile stretch of I-95. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 09:22:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:03 -0500, "Heidi" wrote: > > >Is it my imagination, or does the coal company CEO bear a striking > >resemblance to "Brownie"? And not in a good way. > > Yes, but he seems to know more about Mining than Brownie knew about > Emergency Management... Yeah, except the poor bastard told everyone that the 12 missing miners were alive only to find out 3 hours later that they were all dead.......goddamn, what those families must have gone thru.....emotionally speaking.....feel terrible for them. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Jan 5 09:35:14 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > Shouldn't that be IME (In My Experience) rather than IMO (In My > > Opinion)? Of course, opinion is generally based on experience, but > > you seem to be the kind of person who would not base one's opinion > > solely on one's experience. > > You are correct that IME is probably the better choice. Since I > respect Dom, I think I should give his opinion more weight than I have > so far. > Dom, I apologize if I caused you any distress by hashing this out. Since there was no distress, no apology is needed. AA is a big program, and different people have different experiences with it. The experience you described does occur, unfortunately. It's not supposed to be that way, but given the nature of the program there's no way to police what every meeting and every member does. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Jan 5 14:41:17 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns974262245BCCATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > It's Greg's 20th this month. It looks like it's my affair. So, uh, > what should we get him and do? I didn't find any list of typical 20th > things. Hmm and hmm. Have another party? We just had xmas... > STRIPPERS!!!! From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Jan 5 09:44:40 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Jan 5 09:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: In article , Kenneth Loafman wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:03 -0500, "Heidi" wrote: > > >Is it my imagination, or does the coal company CEO bear a striking > >resemblance to "Brownie"? And not in a good way. > > Yes, but he seems to know more about Mining than Brownie knew about > Emergency Management... Hell, _I_ know more about mining than Brownie knows about emergency management. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jan 5 06:58:08 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Yeah, except the poor bastard told everyone that the 12 missing > miners were alive only to find out 3 hours later that they were all > dead.......goddamn, what those families must have gone > thru.....emotionally speaking.....feel terrible for them. Timeline snippages from http://usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-04-mine-timeline_x.htm A chronology of key events in the Sago Mine disaster The mine's command center is told by rescue workers at 11:45 p.m. that 12 miners have been found alive, according to Hatfield. Rescue workers tell the command center at 12:50 a.m. that only one miner is alive, according to a later account by Hatfield. Hatfield says the command center asked state police to go to the church and tell the clergy the bad news. He says it isn't clear whether they were told. The rescue team reaches the surface with the lone survivor at 1:20 a.m Hatfield announces publicly at 3:11 a.m. that there is only one survivor. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:02:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in > news:Xns974262245BCCATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > > It's Greg's 20th this month. It looks like it's my affair. So, uh, > > what should we get him and do? I didn't find any list of typical > > 20th things. Hmm and hmm. Have another party? We just had xmas... > > > > STRIPPERS!!!! > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first few months on the job...... From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Jan 5 15:03:44 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpjce6$lv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first few > months on the job...... Invite the bosses! ;-) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Jan 5 15:04:33 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpjce6$lv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first few > months on the job...... Also, be an E.O.E. and have strippers of both sexes. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:21:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpjce6$lv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first > > few months on the job...... > > Invite the bosses! ;-) The female ones too? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:23:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpjce6$lv2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first > > few months on the job...... > > Also, be an E.O.E. and have strippers of both sexes. Still won't save his buns if someone complains....I suggest that singing mailgram guy from "The Fisher King" ;-) From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jan 5 07:38:50 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > 11:45 p.m. that > 12 miners have been found alive, > 12:50 a.m. that only one > miner is alive, > Hatfield announces publicly at 3:11 a.m. And, why is that? That big delay? To ascertain down there for sure for sure how many are dead or alive. The press/media is who was doing a really bad job [not] confirming and (in)accurately describing their sources for unconfirmed 'stories'. There are a lot of stores about how bad they were almost all doing. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/04/national/04text-hatfield.html?pagewanted=1 News Conference With C.E.O. of International Coal Group -------------- snippages -------------- HATFIELD: There was no such word from the company itself. We have taken great precautions to be sure that our numbers were right, that our times were right, that the information was correct when we make a statement. What happened is that, through stray cell phone conversations, it appears that this miscommunication from the rescue team underground to the command center was picked up by various people that simply overheard the conversation, was relayed through cell phone communications without our ever having made a release. International Coal Group never made any release about all 12 of the miners being alive and well. We simply couldn't confirm that at that point. But that information spread like wildfire because it had come from the command center. But it was bad information. -------------- HATFIELD: Yes, there was a miscommunication. And I don't know really on who's end it was, but there was a miscommunication that resulted in the command center believing they were told there were 12 survivors. And apparently the intention on the part of the rescue teams was to confirm that they had 12 individuals and they were at that point checking vital signs trying to determine who was a survivor and who wasn't. And that was essentially the communication. It was an incomplete evaluation at the point that it went to the command center. -------------- QUESTION: Who was the person who made the announcement to the families in the church? Who was the specific person? Was there one person who went in and said, There are 12 survivors ? And who was that? HATFIELD: I have no idea who made that announcement, but it was not an announcement that International Coal Group had authorized, so I do not know. -------------- HATFIELD: Again, to put it in perspective, even myself and the people that were with me in the building, at the command center, for a period of time believed that there were 12 survivors, because that was the initial communication that came to the command center. But it was wrong. And I won't try to get into who misspoke, but it was wrong. And that certainly let us get excited and hopeful beyond the level, certainly, that we should have. -------------- QUESTION: Mr. Hatfield, how long was that period of time between when you all thought you had 12 survivors and you did come to the realization that it was not the case? HATFIELD: I would estimate it at somewhere in the 20-minute range -- 15 to 20 minutes, perhaps longer. -------------- QUESTION: Did you speak to the governor's office to confirm any of this information? Did the governor's office call you and say, We have heard that there may be survivors ? When did that conversation occur, if in fact it did occur? HATFIELD: The governor's office has staff on-site. And so they essentially get the communications about the same time we do. Their people are -- again, because there are state regulatory agencies involved in the command center, he hears the information about as quickly as we do. So we didn't have to tell him that it was right or wrong. He heard what we had heard. And we all had the same unfortunate bad information for a short period of time. -------------- QUESTION: Just in the name of clarity, because it's been a night of so much confusion, it sounds as if you're saying that the initial transmission or telephone call or whatever it was from a rescue team to you, that the messenger, the person in the rescue team, miscommunicated. Is that accurate? HATFIELD: I have no interest in finger-pointing, again, because these are people that risked their lives to save lives. And we are not going to try to single anyone out for having misspoke or jumped to an optimistic conclusion. And I don't want to go down that road at all. But I will just tell you, very honestly, that what happened was a miscommunication from the rescue team that's underground, 13,000 feet, working on these miners, trying to confirm that they're alive. There was a miscommunication between that point and the command center. And then the command center shared that information with me. The command center includes federal authorities, state authorities and company managers as well; a committee that's managing this process to try to get our people out of this terrible situation as safely and as quickly as we can. So that's where the source of the information was. But we're not going to point fingers. QUESTION: I understand, sir. But did everybody hear the same thing? I guess that is what -- in other words, this is an open speaker and everybody thought they heard the same thing? HATFIELD: Yes, it's an open speaker. It's essentially a mine phone, which is a loud communication and the common means of communicating with a deep underground mine situation. So it's audible to most people that are anywhere in the proximity of the command center. -------------- We had immediately secured medical personnel, medical supplies, anticipating that they needed water and various medical attentions. And we were putting those people and those supplies onto transportation to get them underground, to get medical attention to these folks that we believed to be alive at that point. And I was personally sitting in the command center when the corrected communication came across. And it simply said something to the effect that, There was an error in the previous communication. We have 12 individuals, but they are not all alive. It appears that one is alive, living or deceased. That was the nature of the corrected communication. -------------- HATFIELD: Let's put this in perspective: Who do I tell not to celebrate? I didn't know whether the number of dead people was 12 or one. All I knew is that there weren't 12 people that were alive and it's something between 12 and zero. And so until we had people that could measure the vital signs, communicate specifics about the condition of the employees, we did not want to put the families through yet another roller coaster of, Well, some of them are dead, some of them aren't. We couldn't go there. There's been too much emotional punishment already. -------------- -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:54:00 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns974262245BCCATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | It's Greg's 20th this month. It looks like it's my affair. So, uh, what | should we get him and do? I didn't find any list of typical 20th things. | Hmm and hmm. Have another party? We just had xmas... Gift him an in office/home professional masseuse. If you think you can get away with it play one of those sexy sound effects audio tracks... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:59:31 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 11:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpja29$kkp$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Kenneth Loafman wrote: | > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:03 -0500, "Heidi" wrote: | > | > >Is it my imagination, or does the coal company CEO bear a striking | > >resemblance to "Brownie"? And not in a good way. | > | > Yes, but he seems to know more about Mining than Brownie knew about | > Emergency Management... | | Yeah, except the poor bastard told everyone that the 12 missing miners were | alive only to find out 3 hours later that they were all dead.......goddamn, | what those families must have gone thru.....emotionally speaking.....feel | terrible for them. According to one report the information was transmitted in code from inside the mind 12 'alive' one dead when in fact it was 12 dead one alive and the information was send without verification and outside official notice. (it's hard to keep that kind of report under wraps). Almost 25 years ago there was a similar disaster in the Bel Isle Salt mines in south Louisiana, the deaths were due to CO poisoning. The mine installed a safe 'hut' with CO scrubbers and a separate communication/vent system to the surface. I can only wonder why that safety option was not provided in this mine? From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 11:01:37 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 11:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-560AF4.09444005012006@news.cesmail.net... | In article , | Kenneth Loafman wrote: | | > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 19:01:03 -0500, "Heidi" wrote: | > | > >Is it my imagination, or does the coal company CEO bear a striking | > >resemblance to "Brownie"? And not in a good way. | > | > Yes, but he seems to know more about Mining than Brownie knew about | > Emergency Management... | | Hell, _I_ know more about mining than Brownie knows about emergency management. But then Brownie knows more about being a horse's ass ... (says so on his resume') From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 11:57:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Coal mine disaster References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Almost 25 years ago there was a similar disaster in the Bel Isle Salt > mines in south Louisiana, the deaths were due to CO poisoning. The > mine installed a safe 'hut' with CO scrubbers and a separate > communication/vent system to the surface. I can only wonder why that > safety option was not provided in this mine? Seeing as how that mine has been cited numerous times over the last year for severe safety violations I'm not surprised that they didn't provide for that. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 12:01:30 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43BD50EA.578FC25@spamcop.net> "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > In article <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net>, > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form > > of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring > > some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point > > that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked > > out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing > > to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) > > More likely the latter. Nobody gets "kicked out of AA" for being an atheist. What would happen if one were to refuse to accept the existence of a "higher power"? (And, as I understand it, AA used to be a Christian based group, requiring a faith in G-d and Jesus. Though it looks as if the group's official position is now based on an unspecified "higher power", I wouldn't be surprised if there were local groups that were still strongly Christian-based.) > > To me, that would > > be the same as making "going to Church" a requirement of a probation > > sentence. > > AA does not cooperate with the courts on this. It's an unwilling > participant. If the program is going to work at all, the person has to > want to join. If she's not there of her own volition, she's just marking > time to make the judge happy. My qualm isn't with AA in this case. As you said, it's the courts that I take issue with here. It's one thing to require some sort of "alcohol treatment program". It's quite another to make the required program one that requires the participant to go against their religious beliefs when there are non-faith-based programs out there as well. I'm sure there are many people forced to attend AA meetings who are simply going there for show. I'm sure there are also people who are actually looking for help, but for whom AA isn't the right way to go, but still have to show up to make the judge happy, and look elsewhere for "real" help. > Judges get away with this because most AA meetings are open to the public. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 12:11:10 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Battle Hymn of the Republic(ans) References: Message-ID: Taken from a news group local to New Orleans: Mine Eyes have seen the bungling of that stumbling moron Bush; He has blathered all the drivel that the neo-cons can push; He has lost sight of all reason 'cause his head is up his tush; The Doofus marches on I have heard him butcher syntax like a kindergarten fool; There is warranted suspicion that he never went to school; Should we fault him for the policies - or is he just their tool? The lies keep piling on. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! His wreckage will live on. I have seen him cut the taxes of the billionaires' lone heir; As he spends another zillion on an aircraft carrier; Let the smokestacks keep polluting - Do we really need clean air? The surplus is now gone. Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Your safety net is gone! Now he's got a mighty hankerin' to bomb a prostrate state; Though the whole world knows its crazy - and the U.N. says to wait; When he doesn't have the evidence, "We must prevaricate." Diplomacy is done! Oh, a trumped-up war is excellent; We have no moral bounds; Should the reasons be disputed, we'll just make up other grounds; Enraging several billions - to his brainlessness redounds; The Doofus marches on! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! Glory! Glory! How he'll Screw Ya'! THIS .... DOOOO .... FUSS .... MAR...CHES....ON! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:01:49 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97424F65C6DF9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > That sounds pretty harsh. The quality of life is fine. Not harsh at all, it's the kindest thing to do if they're suffering - if he's not suffering, then there's no need to do it, obviously, and if you did do it it's much kinder than allowing him outside to meet his 'almost certain demise' by whatever animal catches him. It's just that > he's not an inside cat - he spends a lot of time chasing the bunnies in the > yard (from inside the screen porch - SMACK! into the glass wall again!) or > trying to get out to the yard so that he can eat those bunnies... Well, if it's not safe for him to be outside, then he shouldn't be outside. Not nice being snuck up on and killed. Ask the bunnies! > > You doubt that he's unhappy if he's losing weight? The weight thing is > very gradual - over a few years - and the vet doesn't think it really > important... I doubt he's focused on how unhappy he is being an 'inside' cat now, especially if there is some other physical problem going on that might cause him some discomfort, and/or cause him to lose weight, like if his organs are failing or something. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:02:52 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:05:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpj8r1$jn2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I agree, and would add that it's extremely selfish of the owners who let > their cats roam free -- if I had a nickel for every cat nest sleeping hole > dug in my flowerbeds, every dead baby rabbit or bird left in said gardens, > etc, etc,....I'd be a rich man. Let alone the cat shit I find in my flower > beds. That's NASTY, and toxic......hope you wear gloves when you garden. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:05:25 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:dd9qr19d5afte95lgsf7713olu1b8t22n6@4ax.com... > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:22:38 -0500, "Heidi" wrote: > > I can't take Vicodin for that reason, makes me want to climb the walls. > Besides, it does not work as well as Lortab for me. Vicodin is the only > pain med where I've had that reaction. All the others tend to mellow. It makes me nice and sleepy, actually, I can't take it during the day unless I'm at home, I certainly would never drive on it, but I guess whatever was left in my system after the previous night must have been making me paranoid....LOL From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:06:35 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:10:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpj8gv$jc0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or Cinemax > "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with naked men (no FFN > for them though), Ahem. So have you seen Rome, then? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:08:48 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:10:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL at Bush References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-ED5E49.17103004012006@news.cesmail.net... > Fitzgerald convened a new grand jury last month. Since he will have to go over > with the new GJ much of the ground the previous GJ covered, a laborious process, > calling the new jury means Fitz still has fish to fry. If Rove et al. thought > they could breathe easy when the old jury indicted only Libby, they were wrong. I'm sure they're still shitting their pants, and well they should be. I'm hoping he gets Rove and Cheney both. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 14:11:15 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 14:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps Message-ID: You have to be amazed at Cheney's balls... http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13550516.htm President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday waged a double-barreled assault on critics of the administration's domestic surveillance and opponents of the Patriot Act as part of an effort to address public skepticism and congressional opposition to tactics in the war on terrorism. The president appealed for support for the war in Iraq and suggested more troops could be coming home "later this year" while Cheney aggressively defended domestic surveillance in the name of fighting terrorism. Cheney suggested that if there had been secret wiretapping of suspected terrorists prior to Sept. 11, 2001, it "might have been able to pick up on two of the hijackers who flew a jet into the Pentagon." Bush asserted that terrorists from al-Qaida and its affiliates are fighting to claim Iraq as a permanent "safe haven from which to launch attacks." "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a credibility challenge that the White House faces. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Jan 5 15:09:06 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> <43BD50EA.578FC25@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article <43BD50EA.578FC25@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > > In article <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net>, > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > > > However, where I do have a problem is when the government, in the form > > > of the courts, gets involved. Specifically, I'm talking about requiring > > > some DUI offenders attend and participate in AA meetings, to the point > > > that, several years ago, an atheist was sent to jail for getting kicked > > > out of AA for refusing to acknowledge G-d. (Or maybe it was for refusing > > > to go to the meetings because of the G-d requirement.) > > > > More likely the latter. Nobody gets "kicked out of AA" for being an atheist. > > What would happen if one were to refuse to accept the existence of a > "higher power"? AA members might say that one can't recover without accepting a higher power, but they wouldn't turn them away at the door. The program is open to all who have the desire to stop drinking. The higher power does not have to be god or any supernatural being, however. My higher power is not; neither is that of a number of people I know. None of us have been kicked out of the program. We just follow a different path than others. The goal is still the same. > (And, as I understand it, AA used to be a Christian > based group, requiring a faith in G-d and Jesus. Though it looks as > if the group's official position is now based on an unspecified "higher > power", I wouldn't be surprised if there were local groups that were > still strongly Christian-based.) I wouldn't be surprised either. There will probably always be local groups that don't follow one or more Traditions (the priniciples the program is run on). There's not a lot AA can do about it, since the groups are autonomous in most matters, and there's no enforcement mechanism. Experience has shown that such groups either come around to seeing the wisdom of following the Traditions and change their ways, or fall apart and cease to exist. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com Lying, spying, and troops dying. Impeach Bush. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:18:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dpj8r1$jn2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I agree, and would add that it's extremely selfish of the owners > > who let their cats roam free -- if I had a nickel for every cat > > nest sleeping hole dug in my flowerbeds, every dead baby rabbit or > > bird left in said gardens, etc, etc,....I'd be a rich man. Let > > alone the cat shit I find in my flower beds. > > That's NASTY, and toxic......hope you wear gloves when you garden. I do. Good ones too. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:34:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message > news:dd9qr19d5afte95lgsf7713olu1b8t22n6@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:22:38 -0500, "Heidi" > > wrote: > > > I can't take Vicodin for that reason, makes me want to climb the > > > walls. > > Besides, it does not work as well as Lortab for me. Vicodin is the > > only pain med where I've had that reaction. All the others tend to > > mellow. > > It makes me nice and sleepy, actually, I can't take it during the day > unless I'm at home, I certainly would never drive on it, but I guess > whatever was left in my system after the previous night must have > been making me paranoid....LOL Erm.....Lortab and Vicodin are the same thing.....acetaminophen and hydrocodone....... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:35:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dpj8gv$jc0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or Cinemax > > "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with naked men > > (no FFN for them though), > > Ahem. So have you seen Rome, then? FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:37:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Cheney suggested that if there had been secret wiretapping of > suspected terrorists prior to Sept. 11, 2001, it "might have been > able to pick up on two of the hijackers who flew a jet into the > Pentagon." > What a CYA statement....didn't the FBI *KNOW* that a bunch of them were already in the country taking flying lessons? So what if they were the ones that flew a jet into NYC and not the Pentagon. Disengenous at best. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:37:18 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:40:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpjvu4$39i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... But it is FFN...... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:39:00 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:40:23 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpk01v$3ah$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > What a CYA statement....didn't the FBI *KNOW* that a bunch of them were > already in the country taking flying lessons? So what if they were the ones > that flew a jet into NYC and not the Pentagon. Disengenous at best. Disingenuous? How about complete bullshit? If Bush had paid attention to the warnings like he should have, he could have picked up something before 9/11 happened too. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:41:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dpjvu4$39i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... > > But it is FFN...... but tain't porn, which is what this thread morphed into... From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Jan 5 23:24:31 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Jan 5 17:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Work anniversary ideas... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:21:40 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> > Yeah, great...get Charles fired for sexual harassment in his first >> > few months on the job...... >> >> Invite the bosses! ;-) > > The female ones too? Got to find the strippers somewhere... -- Steve Some marriages are made in heaven, but they all have to be maintained on earth... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 17:49:30 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" | > > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or Cinemax | > > "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with naked men | > > (no FFN for them though), | > | > Ahem. So have you seen Rome, then? | | FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... No it's an induction physical. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:14:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:15:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" > > | > > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or > | > > Cinemax "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with > | > > naked men (no FFN for them though), > | > > | > Ahem. So have you seen Rome, then? > | > | FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... > > No it's an induction physical. Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:13:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Jon Stewart hosting the Oscars References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97428A6336F33spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > This could be good! > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4585530.stm I can't WAIT....! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:15:47 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > Uh, it's a secrecy problem (if you believe today's Fresh Air). All kinds > of people knew what all kinds of things - none of them shared with any of > the others... That's true, agencies don't share information, and you know what? They STILL don't. No progress in that area, last I heard. But Bush was given all kinds of information that he chose to blow off, so for him to say he needs illegal wiretapping to do his job, well, I'm thinking he could do his damn JOB first, according to the law, and if he needs more latitude then apply for it. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:18:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpk98a$8ev$1@news.spamcop.net... > her...... > > > > No it's an induction physical. > > Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... Shocking, in fact...... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:20:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:25:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <3mqs83-ega.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dphlkj$oek$1@news.spamcop.net... > They are not supposed to be open after dark. I would have to crawl over > the gates. But I did see the Tower Hamlets one had a gap in the fence, > it might be interesting to sneak through one night. One that was kind > of cool at night, probably the last one I've been in way after dark was > the one in Princeton, NJ. I wonder if you'd get any good ghost photos if you had your camera on a tripod and just shot into the dark. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 18:22:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 18:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > This is true, they can be total bastards as far as killing things and > making messes in others' gardens. My previous cat was an outdoor cat, he'd > always been that way and when he moved in with us it was because he was out > exploring and liked our setup LOL. I think his owners had moved away and he > either escaped or they left him behind. No way I could have kept him inside > and there was plenty of land other than the neighbours where he could do > his business though I don't know where he did it (certainly not in our > garden of course!). This cat on the other hand is a strictly indoor cat, no > way I'd let him out around here even if it was possible. At least he's not > exposed to diseases or the dangers of fighting with other cats. Winston started out as an outside cat because 20 years ago, there wasn't any such thing as "inside only cats" around here. When I moved here he got a whole barn to roam about in, and he was in absolute heaven, he loved the barn, catching mice and squirrels, watching the birds swoop over head (sometimes the pecked him if he was too close, that was funny), hanging out with the horses, and just laying up in the hayloft watching the world go by. Good life for a cat, actually, but I don't know if I'd do it again. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 6 00:59:45 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Jan 5 20:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:dphkn9$nrt$1@news.spamcop.net: >> The main source of my snobbery just might be the stupid steps, 85 I >> think I counted, going up and down carrying my bike so that I can go >> through the Greenwich foot tunnel when the elevators are not running >> (basically any time I want to go through it). But I like to fit in, I >> can adapt to my surroundings. > > That's rather inconvenient! Have you gone over that bridge they were having > problems with? I think it's only a foot bridge but I guess you could ride a > bike on it if nobody was around. I'm not sure what bridge you mean. I've gone over a lot of the major ones, Tower, London, Waterloo, and probably a few more in the central area that I'm forgetting now. And some of the ferries too. I accidentally took the Limehouse tunnel once and didn't realize it was going under until I ended up most of the way on the other side and I couldn't really turn around then. I think that's the one they recently had a fire in and it was closed for a while. From RobertW at danjonengineering.com Thu Jan 5 17:47:21 2006 From: RobertW at danjonengineering.com (Robert Williams) Date: Thu Jan 5 20:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] SAVE, they say...HA Message-ID: AT&T merger could save $180 per user SAN ANTONIO, Dec. 14 (UPI) -- AT&T said Wednesday its merger with SBC will allow users to cut down on their telecommunications cost by as much as $180 each year. The combination of the two companies will allow users to bundle their long-distance service with DSL, wireless and video services, AT&T said. "We're extending the benefits of bundling to millions more consumers, giving them our best available pricing for popular services and providing them with a compelling alternative to cable companies, which have just announced another round of price increases," Scott Helbing, chief marketing officer of consumer marketing, said in a news release. My boss paid me this much today just looking for reasons as to why our e-mail was being blocked from a client. Seems our client switched IT Companies and their new IT Company Blocks Prodigy.net, which is associated with AT&T somehow, which is associated with PacBell, which is associated with SBC (Our ISP). From RobertW at danjonengineering.com Thu Jan 5 17:53:09 2006 From: RobertW at danjonengineering.com (Robert Williams) Date: Thu Jan 5 20:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: Come on, this is old news....not only did we ALREADY have intelligence on (what was it, 15 of the 21) terrorists prior to 9/11, we failed to act on that intel. Probably because of some beaver loving, tree hugging, human rights activist that fought for those terrorists rights, because after all, "They're people too". Are YOU for or against wiretapping??? I'm ALL FOR IT. I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take it from them. "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dpjr2d$if$1@news.spamcop.net... : You have to be amazed at Cheney's balls... : http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/13550516.htm : : President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday waged a double-barreled : assault on critics of the administration's domestic surveillance and opponents of the : Patriot Act as part of an effort to address public skepticism and congressional : opposition to tactics in the war on terrorism. : The president appealed for support for the war in Iraq and suggested more troops : could be coming home "later this year" while Cheney aggressively defended domestic : surveillance in the name of fighting terrorism. : : Cheney suggested that if there had been secret wiretapping of suspected terrorists : prior to Sept. 11, 2001, it "might have been able to pick up on two of the hijackers : who flew a jet into the Pentagon." : : : : Bush asserted that terrorists from al-Qaida and its affiliates are fighting to claim : Iraq as a permanent "safe haven from which to launch attacks." : : "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a credibility : challenge that the White House faces. : : From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 20:40:46 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 21:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpk98a$8ev$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Frog Prince wrote: | > "indigo" | > | > | > > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or | > | > > Cinemax "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with | > | > > naked men (no FFN for them though), | > | > | > | > Ahem. So have you seen Rome, then? | > | | > | FFN of men standing around nekkid ain't porn either...... | > | > No it's an induction physical. | | Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... Back when it was called THE DRAFT From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 20:41:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 21:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:dpk9lj$90l$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message | news:dpk98a$8ev$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | her...... | > > | > > No it's an induction physical. | > | > Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... | | Shocking, in fact...... Been known to polarize things a bit. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 21:07:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 21:10:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Robert Williams" | | I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take it from | them. The same words were used by McCarthy and by Nixion. Perhaps nothing to hide but a lot to protect --in case you've no acquaintance her name is Liberty. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Jan 6 02:20:10 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 21:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns9742D74972A03TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Idiot. Amazing how some people can "try" to pop back in under different names. (BTW, you voiced what many are thinking) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 21:53:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > Well Robert, thanks for sharing your idiotic views with us again. No, > really. So, go on, tell us - how did you find this group in the first > place and why are you trolling it now? Did you think he was "new"? C'mon Charles..... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 21:54:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:00:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dpkj8h$eb8$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> | > No it's an induction physical. > | > | Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... > > Back when it was called THE DRAFT Back draft? Isn't that what you get from hospital johnnies? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Jan 6 03:05:11 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:dpkmbl$fvc$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:dpkj8h$eb8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> | > No it's an induction physical. >> | >> | Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... >> >> Back when it was called THE DRAFT > > Back draft? Isn't that what you get from hospital johnnies? > > > "Hospital johnnies" when you're taking a "draft physical" will result in a "finger wave". From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 22:40:26 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | > Idiot. | | Amazing how some people can "try" to pop back in under different names. | (BTW, you voiced what many are thinking) Not an idiot as idiot implies at least some IQ From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Jan 5 22:47:50 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: In article , "Robert Williams" wrote: > Are YOU for or against wiretapping??? > > I'm ALL FOR IT. > > I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take it from > them. Please answer the following questions: What's your annual salary? What's your net worth? How much is your house worth? How often do you have sex with your wife/significant other? What position(s)? Do you use birth control? If so, what type? Ever been arrested? What for? What was the dispostion of the charge(s)? Ever do something illegal but weren't caught? What was it? Ever drive after drinking too much? Ever use illegal drugs? Ever cheat on your income tax returns? How did you vote in the last election? What's your IQ? Now remember, you have nothing to hide, so you should have no problem answering. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 22:53:28 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 22:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "JohnL" | >> | >>> | > No it's an induction physical. | >> | | >> | Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... | >> | >> Back when it was called THE DRAFT | > | > Back draft? Isn't that what you get from hospital johnnies? | | "Hospital johnnies" when you're taking a "draft physical" will result in a | "finger wave". The ultimate HIGH FIVE. Drop 'um and spread 'um From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 23:00:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Jan 5 23:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Pat Robertson doesn't know when to shut up Message-ID: ass..... http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/ Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed. "He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club." "God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Jan 6 04:10:09 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Jan 5 23:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pat Robertson doesn't know when to shut up References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:dpkq7t$i3h$1@news.spamcop.net: > Robertson told viewers Him AND alot/most of his "viewers" are total idiots! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 05:35:35 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jan 6 05:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dpj6h9$i4f$1@news.spamcop.net... > Basically the practice of >'my idea/ideal' your task' > I never heard it put that way. I like it! Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 06:05:20 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jan 6 06:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: AA/faith/religion (was Re: Catholics take out South Park) References: <43BBE0F0.19F9BF7C@spamcop.net> <43BD50EA.578FC25@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-89208F.15090605012006@news.cesmail.net... > In article <43BD50EA.578FC25@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody > wrote: Kenneth > > (And, as I understand it, AA used to be a Christian > > based group, requiring a faith in G-d and Jesus. Though it looks as > > if the group's official position is now based on an unspecified "higher > > power", I wouldn't be surprised if there were local groups that were > > still strongly Christian-based.) > DF > I wouldn't be surprised either. IIRC, the founder was greatly influenced by a Jesuit priest in his recovery. (someone mentioned the Oxford Group also, but I don't think that it was a formal group, but one priest helping some alcoholics). However, the founding principles have always been non-sectarian (and as DF points out, actually can be interpreted as non-religious - though like the Constitution, I doubt that the founder was really considering atheists, but only different religions and beliefs). If you are Catholic, though, you can see the Catholic influence in the way some things are expressed - for instance, 'Traditions'. I don't know very much about AA, but from the people I have known, it seems to me that meetings used to be more individualistic in regards to the 'higher power' than it is now. IOW, there was testimony, but no group connections to 'higher powers' As churches have been more open in their work with those who are addicted, there have been church sponsored (in the giving of space, etc.) AA meetings just as there are church sponsored Boy Scout Troops. That may have led to some meetings (since most members would be of the same church) becoming more group oriented in regards to higher power. And there are some people who substitute AA for religion and expect the same fellowship, etc. as church which could affect a particular meeting - for a while (see DF's remarks below) >There will probably always be local groups that > don't follow one or more Traditions (the priniciples the program is run on). > There's not a lot AA can do about it, since the groups are autonomous in most > matters, and there's no enforcement mechanism. Experience has shown that such > groups either come around to seeing the wisdom of following the Traditions and > change their ways, or fall apart and cease to exist. That 'let go and let God' attitude is one of basic strengths of AA (how do you say that when your higher power is not supernatural? 'let nature run its course'?) It is the opposite of what FP says: 'my idea/ideal, your task' and which he says rarely works. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 06:39:28 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jan 6 06:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpj8gv$jc0$1@news.spamcop.net... > And I'd be hard pressed to call what you can find on HBO or Cinemax > "porn".....yes, there's naked women simulating sex with naked men (no FFN > for them though), but it's not hardly real porn... No, it is not hard core porn. And it doesn't come on in prime time (and possibly doesn't happen at all anymore - this was years ago). The movie that I saw that got me hopped up (particularly since I had teen agers at the time) was about 1 am. It was about a young girl who wandered around the world on some sort of business, but always managed to have sexual encounters everywhere she went. That wasn't so bad - no worse than the MTA reality shows of 'spring break' I don't approve of that kind of behavior and don't like the idea that it is so socially acceptable that it can be portrayed on TV, but I know it is 'real' to some people. I can just switch channels for that. The scene that I objected to most was that she wanders into a bad neighborhood (not really physically bad according to the set), but a gang of men wearing leather jackets attacks her. She struggles, but they gang rape her. I forget how they portrayed that (it wasn't on screen). She lies impassive. And then after the last one, she masturbates and gets enjoyment. What I really felt was 'sick' and what I wouldn't have anything to do with was that the men are astounded by her act and that gains their respect and they all walk off together arm in arm. While I know that I have led a very protected life and many of the sexual scenes in movies seem 'unreal' to me (some of the NYPD ones were appropriate maybe for teens and their raging hormones, but didn't seem 'real' for adults just as I thought Flagg in MASH was a cartoon character, but my husband who was in Vietnam thought he was just like a CIA operative), I don't think from hearing women talk about rape that scenario is anything like real life - and very anti-social. It also makes me think that possibly some of the 'sexual' encounters in R movies are fantasy also; that I am not so 'protected' and that the MTA reality shows are about people who have been influenced by false expectations of what sex should be. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:19:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Jon Stewart hosting the Oscars References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Heidi" wrote in > news:dpk9cp$8ms$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > I can't WAIT....! > > > > > > > > Hopefully he'll take a few pot shots hehehe. Likely more a political lean to his wisecracks instead of pissing off the celebs like Chris Rock did last year. We can only hope! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:20:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:dpk9lj$90l$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > | "indigo" wrote in message > | news:dpk98a$8ev$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > > | her...... > | > > > | > > No it's an induction physical. > | > > | > Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... > | > | Shocking, in fact...... > > Been known to polarize things a bit. Hopefully everyone was single phase...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:22:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:25:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpjuuo$2p4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > >> That's NASTY, and toxic......hope you wear gloves when you garden. > > > > I do. Good ones too. > > > > > > > > Have you tried any of the repellent methods? For deer...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:25:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:25:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: <839t83-sbj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dpj9ti$kj3$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Or drive from south of Baltimore to Philadelphia on I-95......it'll > > cost ya nearly $20 in tolls....frigging Delaware pays for most of > > their state budget by screwing folks passing thru the state on one > > short 11 mile stretch of I-95. > > Isn't there a non-toll option? Probably is but way less convenient. A couple of backroutes, but they cost you an extra 31 miles of driving time, mostly two lane roads too.....it's pretty much an unavoidable bottleneck. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:27:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: free dvd player? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in news:dphksn$nv5$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > > I'm amazed at that, some of my co-workers there must spend at least > > $20 a day on just tolls. The whole concept is just so foreign to > > me. > > > > Then it's around $1000+ for parking unless you want to do the street > shuffle (nightmare). Hell, it's more than that in Baltimore! Costs anywhere from $150-$200 per month per worker for a partially company subsidized slot in most downtown city parking garages. Unless you're high on the food chain, of course. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:03:00 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Get well/home soon Heidi References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" | >Erm.....Lortab and Vicodin are the same thing.....acetaminophen and | >hydrocodone....... | | Must be some difference, the carrier or buffering agent maybe. All I know | is that the last surgeon gave me Vicodin for pain. This is espically ture if the script is for generic. In my experiance even script from the same company but different plants can have similar results. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:06:26 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > Basically the practice of 'my idea/ideal' your task' | > | | I never heard it put that way. I like it! It's a take off of the adage: I will make MY mistakes, We will make 0UR mistakes but I will not make YOUR mistakes. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:21:50 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9742C7D0EB654TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Not to butt in, but I've tried some pretty repellent methods and all they > seem to do is to scare the girls away. My son, however, thinks they're > great and every time he squeals, "Papa!" I have visions of you peeing all over your garden to keep the critters away.... From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:13:07 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "indigo" | > | her...... | > | > > | > | > > No it's an induction physical. | > | > | > | > Must be quite the electric atmosphere..... | > | | > | Shocking, in fact...... | > | > Been known to polarize things a bit. | | Hopefully everyone was single phase...... | Some would prefer a three phase ... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:42:19 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:45:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Jon Stewart hosting the Oscars References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dplqp8$3af$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Likely more a political lean to his wisecracks instead of pissing off the > celebs like Chris Rock did last year. We can only hope! Chris Rock was and is totally obnoxious, that was one of the worst choices ever. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Jan 6 14:47:50 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Jan 6 09:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dplvii$633$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "indigo" >| Hopefully everyone was single phase...... >| > > Some would prefer a three phase ... > > Kinky. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 09:52:10 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 10:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: <43BBE2A7.3B9EA6C0@spamcop.net> <0k8t83-o2j.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97434F50EAA76innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dplvii$633$1 | @news.spamcop.net: | | > | > "indigo" | >| Hopefully everyone was single phase...... | >| | > | > Some would prefer a three phase ... | > | > | | Kinky. No, not distorted ... sinusoidal From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Fri Jan 6 08:06:50 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill.. you will find this amusing.. References: <2ofq83-jem.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9742B8D101E22TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Chris F. Willoughby" > ! > >> Basically, it was supposed to be a longer explanation for this: >> Liberalism is a philosophy of consolation for Western Civilization as >> it commits suicide. > > Well, that's cute and all, but it doesn't seem to represent what is > actually happening in this country. It sure looks like the conservatives > are driving it into the ground, eh? Personal freedoms? Protection from > corporate greed? Protection from the government? You have to look outside of government to see it. Or at least be willing to admit you might be wrong about things. Corporate greed is nothing new, personal freedoms have come and gone.. and will continue to. As long as people continue to elect the same people to their state legislatures and congress things aren't likely to change. People have to be able to do something that changes the status quo.. and that isn't based upon emotional reaction. Anyway, the quote isn't mine originally either. I could give examples or point you to where I got it if you want. CHris From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Fri Jan 6 08:12:04 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SAVE, they say...HA References: Message-ID: SBC bought Prodigy years ago.. That's why. "Robert Williams" wrote in message news:dpki75$dnd$1@news.spamcop.net... > My boss paid me this much today just looking for reasons as to why our > e-mail was being blocked from a client. Seems our client switched IT > Companies and their new IT Company Blocks Prodigy.net, which is associated > with AT&T somehow, which is associated with PacBell, which is associated > with SBC (Our ISP). > > From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Fri Jan 6 08:18:44 2006 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: <5jtsr1tqti6q0lhrhclvqa44eh4dcm4k95@4ax.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, our Bill of Rights doesn't spell out anything about what you have mentioned. Case law might.. That being said.. none of those are truely NEW issues. It's happened before and will probably happen again. I don't necessarily agree with blaming Bush for everything either. Personally, I suspect ANY recent President would have done the same thing in similar circumstances. Having said THAT... If it was up to me there'd be no FISA court.. Or classified information for that matter. Taxpayers should be able to know about whatever in regards to anything the govt. knows; especially because they're paying for it. Chris "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:5jtsr1tqti6q0lhrhclvqa44eh4dcm4k95@4ax.com... > > Tell you what... when the powers that be want to get rid of you they will > do so. You can thank Bush for that. > > Want to be "disappeared" like a third-world citizen. Bush can do that. > > Want to get convicted on secret charges/evidence. Bush can do that. > > Bush and his cronies are turning us into a third-world nation as fast as > they can move. Wiretapping is just one of the issues we need to address. > The sacred Bill of Rights is being shredded by idiots that don't > understand democracy or freedom. > > ...Ken From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 11:47:47 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jan 6 11:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9743736B84F4ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > This one has been posting under this name since some idiocy posted in > December (merry xmas, tookie). If you'd like to show me some headers or > something that show otherwise, well, hey, I'm all for it. But it sure > looks like it's the same posting host for each of his posts. Are you > saying that this DSL line is highjacked? I'm saying the posting host looks all too familar, as does the obnoxious, combatative tone, and no, I can't be arsed unkillfiling someone just to compare headers. The fact that he was already in my killfile when he showed up recently says he's a repeat offender. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:20:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: <5jtsr1tqti6q0lhrhclvqa44eh4dcm4k95@4ax.com> Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: Personally, I suspect ANY recent President would > have done the same thing in similar circumstances. No frigging way do I believe that. > > Having said THAT... If it was up to me there'd be no FISA court.. Or > classified information for that matter. Taxpayers should be able to > know about whatever in regards to anything the govt. knows; > especially because they're paying for it. > Should we allow open examination of all the NSA and CIA case files too? Hmmm? Think we'll catch many bad guys that way? There needs to be checks and balances, but neither total secrecy nor total transparency. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:24:08 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Jon Stewart hosting the Oscars References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dplqp8$3af$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Likely more a political lean to his wisecracks instead of pissing > > off the celebs like Chris Rock did last year. We can only hope! > > Chris Rock was and is totally obnoxious, that was one of the worst > choices ever. Oh, I love Chris Rock (didn't watch the Oscars though, rarely do, it's boring as hell). I'm just hoping John Stewart skewers the shrub like on his running "Messopotamia" sketch from his show. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:40:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > > Well, if it's not safe for him to be outside, then he shouldn't be > > outside. Not nice being snuck up on and killed. Ask the bunnies! > > Bunnies live to be eaten by kitties! Why, most bunnies I've met have > been eaten by kitties... ("The head is the best part." RCrumb) Yeah, one such kitty left me a present of a torn to pieces medium sized bunny in my front flower bed 2 weeks ago (head missing), right next to the steps to my front door. Since it's relatively cool out, I just left it there, and something ate the rest of it within a day or two. From Paul.Sawyer.does.not.want.spam at unh.BAD.EXAMPLE.edu Fri Jan 6 18:39:00 2006 From: Paul.Sawyer.does.not.want.spam at unh.BAD.EXAMPLE.edu (Paul) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dpjr2d$if$1@news.spamcop.net: > "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a > credibility challenge that the White House faces. Oh, so he's hired Dave Barry as a speechwriter? -- From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 13:44:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:45:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > The head is only the best part - there's still a lot of meat on the > rest! Do kitties bite off the bunnies ears first? ;-) From Paul.Sawyer.does.not.want.spam at unh.BAD.EXAMPLE.edu Fri Jan 6 18:48:42 2006 From: Paul.Sawyer.does.not.want.spam at unh.BAD.EXAMPLE.edu (Paul) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2-05F2E4.22475005012006@news.cesmail.net: > In article , > "Robert Williams" wrote: > >> Are YOU for or against wiretapping??? >> >> I'm ALL FOR IT. >> >> I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take >> it from them. > > Please answer the following questions: > > What's your annual salary? Not enough. > What's your net worth? Damn little. > How much is your house worth? How much would you give me for it? > How often do you have sex with your wife/significant other? Me: Not often enough. SWMBO: Too damned often. > What position(s)? Mostly horizontal. That comes in handy if one or both fall asleep.... > Do you use birth control? If so, what type? At our age? > Ever been arrested? What for? What was the dispostion of the > charge(s)? Not that I can remember.... > Ever do something illegal but weren't caught? What was it? I don't remember. > Ever drive after drinking too much? Yes. Many years ago, never again. > Ever use illegal drugs? Not that I can remember.... > Ever cheat on your income tax returns? Not that I know of. > How did you vote in the last election? I went into a little booth and filled in circles on a ballot... but that's not important right now.... > What's your IQ? I don't know. > Now remember, you have nothing to hide, so you should have no problem > answering. Ever been in a Turkish prison? -- From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 11:04:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 14:05:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In news:ozchzhq02-68E9D7.10465002012006@frylock.local, David Dean opined: || In article , || "Mr K. Mean" wrote: || ||| actually a lot more harsh towards AA, "I didn't know this was a ||| religious institution, god damn it." || || You wouldn't believe how many people don't know that... || Believing in something greater than oneself does not make one 'religious'. -- kk == First things first -- but not necessarily in that order From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 11:05:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 14:05:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In news:ozchzhq02-4C4094.13524502012006@frylock.local, David Dean opined: || In article , || "D.F. Manno" wrote: || |||| You wouldn't believe how many people don't know that... ||| ||| Perhaps because it isn't one. || || An atheist cannot complete all twelve steps... http://www.positiveatheism.org/rw/naway99.htm -- kk == USER ERROR: Replace user and press any key to continue From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 11:40:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 14:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In news:ozchzhq02-50149D.22190802012006@frylock.local, David Dean opined: || In article , || "D.F. Manno" wrote: || ||| By which he means that if alcoholics do not follow the program of ||| recovery they ||| will not recover, and will eventually succumb to the affliction. || || That seems rather arrogant. Surely there are people who have || recovered using other means. It's a "no true Scottsman" fallacy to || say that there are only two types of alcoholics: those that succeed || with our program, and those who fail to recover. Actually, there are 5 types of alcoholic, but I won't get into that here. If someone can stay sober without the program, then that is a wonderful thing, and I am sure that there are plenty of them out there. But getting dry and becoming sober are two different things. ||| And the message he's referring to is that recovery from alcoholism ||| is possible ||| through the program. He's not talking about converting people to a ||| specific faith. || || The specific faith of AA. Alcoholics Anonymous grew out of and was || a part of (at least in Ohio), a fundamentalist evangelical Christian || sect called the Oxford Group, which was discredited by more || mainstream Christianity. The Oxford Group changed its name to Moral || Re-Armament (MRA), which exists today and has the hidden agenda of || replacement of democracy with theocracy. AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, etc. AA does not endorse nor oppose any causes. AA has no opinions on outside issues. The Oxford group and the Washingtonians (the other group at the time) did not stick to the purpose of recovery, they thought that they could influence government policy and religious mores. AA decided not to go that route. The only purpose of AA and it's members is to stay sober and help others achieve sobriety. ||| But one can recover in the program without having to replicate ||| Wilson's journey ||| step for step, and without being struck by lightning. || || While that is true, I can't see it being comfortable if one of the || religious makes an issue out of it. I, for one, don't know _any_ holy-roller AA's. It doesn't seem to be compatible. A respect for each others' HPs is the norm. There is an appendix in the BB that describes 'spiritual awakenings'. An awareness and appreciation of others seems to be the point of the whole excersise ;) || I find || very little tolerance for those who are not Christian in the places || that I have lived. Come to LV,NV - tolerance is "KEY" here. This town (nevermind it's alcoholics) wouldn't be able to function without it :) -- kk - working on her 'spiritual progress' == First things first -- but not necessarily in that order From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 15:37:27 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 15:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Paul" | > "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a | > credibility challenge that the White House faces. | | Oh, so he's hired Dave Barry as a speechwriter? tried to hire Bob Bodett (motel 6 fame) but Bodett quit ... there was no hope for a light being left on... From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:09:46 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: <0lqtr1d94etgl94vpl0iued22c5ecaoslk@4ax.com> I see where, Frog Prince managed to write: > >"Paul" > >| > "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a >| > credibility challenge that the White House faces. >| >| Oh, so he's hired Dave Barry as a speechwriter? > >tried to hire Bob Bodett (motel 6 fame) but Bodett quit ... there was no >hope for a light being left on... > TOM Bode. -- Frank Tabor From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 6 22:14:44 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Gorgeous George Message-ID: Holy crap, it is my MP (well, if I was British and I could vote for MPs), on Big Brother. I'm speechless. http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/latest-pics/housemates/d01_housemates-page8.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1973440,00.html From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:18:57 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: <0lqtr1d94etgl94vpl0iued22c5ecaoslk@4ax.com> Message-ID: I see where, Frank Tabor managed to write: >I see where, Frog Prince managed to write: > >> >>"Paul" >> >>| > "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a >>| > credibility challenge that the White House faces. >>| >>| Oh, so he's hired Dave Barry as a speechwriter? >> >>tried to hire Bob Bodett (motel 6 fame) but Bodett quit ... there was no >>hope for a light being left on... >> > >TOM Bode. Dammit, Tom Bodett. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 17:39:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: kram wrote: But getting dry and becoming sober are two different things. Huh? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 6 22:42:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:45:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > kram wrote: > But getting dry and becoming sober are two different things. > > Huh? I think it is along the same lines of you can still be an alcoholic without drinking or if you don't really drink all that much, as long as the addiction still rules you. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 14:52:35 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: In news:Xns9740A019B7E28spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61, Sylvesterthekat opined: || There are some pics for anyone who's interested, of our journey || to/from the UK. It snowed on the day we left, it was chucking it || down for a while but then fortunately the sun broke through and the || snow disappeared and we were able to leave on time. || || http://www.kookybycaron.com/journey || || the names of the pictures are pretty self explanatory and before || anyone asks, i dont know the person in harrowchurch2.jpg, he just || happened to be standing in the way (bastard!). A friend of mine is || the head nurse of Harrow School so she was showing us around. The || one with harry potter in the name is a building they used for || filming the first movie I think. http://www.harrowschool.org.uk/html/ If you look extremely closely at overvegas.jpg - you can see me waving to the airplane from the ground ;) Thanks S-Kat! It's a good pic :) Looks like you had a lot of fun. I always wish that my photos would come out that well. Even with a digital camera, my attempts at capturing any moment always look like a drunken monkey took the picture. I just don't seem to have the knack. -- kk == Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as Gods. Cats have never forgotten this. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 6 23:02:22 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: kram wrote: > > Looks like you had a lot of fun. I always wish that my photos would come out > that well. Even with a digital camera, my attempts at capturing any moment > always look like a drunken monkey took the picture. I just don't seem to > have the knack. So, if you give cameras to an infinite number of drunken monkeys... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 15:10:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Poor, old, formerly fat kitty... References: Message-ID: In news:dpmstv$n50$1@news.spamcop.net, Mr K. Mean opined: || kram wrote: ||| ||| Looks like you had a lot of fun. I always wish that my photos would ||| come out that well. Even with a digital camera, my attempts at ||| capturing any moment always look like a drunken monkey took the ||| picture. I just don't seem to have the knack. || || So, if you give cameras to an infinite number of drunken monkeys... you get the sistene chapel or this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/samsmith/ -- kk == Kill -9 them all. Let init sort them out. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 18:20:09 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dpmrp9$m61$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: > > kram wrote: > > But getting dry and becoming sober are two different things. > > > > Huh? > > I think it is along the same lines of you can still be an alcoholic > without drinking or if you don't really drink all that much, as long as > the addiction still rules you. It's your outlook on life. I have heard them called 'dry drunks' - it's basically that everything negative is someone else's fault and trying to be in control, I believe. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 15:37:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (kram) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Catholics take out South Park References: Message-ID: In news:dpmrp9$m61$1@news.spamcop.net, Mr K. Mean opined: || indigo wrote: ||| kram wrote: ||| But getting dry and becoming sober are two different things. ||| ||| Huh? || || I think it is along the same lines of you can still be an alcoholic || without drinking or if you don't really drink all that much, as long || as the addiction still rules you. Correct. You can be 'dry' ... not drink at all without any kind of help whatsoever. Most alcoholics that stop drinking this way don't make it. Some do, but are the most miserable bastards you would ever want to meet. Being 'sober' is a different thing. Mind you, I am talking about folks with the 'ism'. Normal folk need not apply here ;) y'all can go and have your 1 glass of wine with dinner, or your 12 pack on the weekend. But for us with the disease (yes I am outing myself) - being an alcoholic is much more than the addiction itself. IME - The physical act of stopping drinking/drugging (and detox is soooo much fun) is actually the easy part. Learning how to _live without_ is the bitch. The addiction will be with me for the rest of my life, but learning a better way of dealing with life is the purpose of all recovery programs, whether it's AA/NA/CA etc, or any other treatment plan. AA is a 'life' program. It teaches me how to live life. Not just stop drinking. -- kk == First things first -- but not necessarily in that order From RobertW at danjonengineering.com Fri Jan 6 15:44:57 2006 From: RobertW at danjonengineering.com (Robert Williams) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9742D70DD29A3TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... : No way it was me! It was "Robert Williams" : ! : : > Are YOU for or against wiretapping??? : > : > I'm ALL FOR IT. : > : > I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take : > it from them. : : Well Robert, thanks for sharing your idiotic views with us again. No, : really. So, go on, tell us - how did you find this group in the first : place and why are you trolling it now? Nice. I'm trolling it looking for pole smokers chuck, not that I've found you I can leave. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 18:52:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: <0lqtr1d94etgl94vpl0iued22c5ecaoslk@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >tried to hire Bob Bodett (motel 6 fame) but Bodett quit ... there was no | >hope for a light being left on... | > | | TOM Bode. They couldn't get that part right either ... From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 18:52:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 18:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: <0lqtr1d94etgl94vpl0iued22c5ecaoslk@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" wrote in message news:v5rtr1hot0tenj81kta8adu5h90gjgpuq9@4ax.com... | I see where, Frank Tabor managed to write: | | >I see where, Frog Prince managed to write: | > | >> | >>"Paul" | >> | >>| > "I'm not making this up," added Bush, underscoring the urgency of a | >>| > credibility challenge that the White House faces. | >>| | >>| Oh, so he's hired Dave Barry as a speechwriter? | >> | >>tried to hire Bob Bodett (motel 6 fame) but Bodett quit ... there was no | >>hope for a light being left on... | >> | > | >TOM Bode. | | Dammit, Tom Bodett. Are you part of the program as well? From RobertW at danjonengineering.com Fri Jan 6 15:55:38 2006 From: RobertW at danjonengineering.com (Robert Williams) Date: Fri Jan 6 19:00:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 9/11 could have been prevented, if only there were wiretaps References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-05F2E4.22475005012006@news.cesmail.net... : In article , : "Robert Williams" wrote: : : > Are YOU for or against wiretapping??? : > : > I'm ALL FOR IT. : > : > I'd say the people that are against it have something to hide. Take it from : > them. : : Please answer the following questions: : : What's your annual salary? Government doesn't care, but $65K : What's your net worth? $5K : How much is your house worth? Less than my watch. Now the LAND, that is a different answer. : How often do you have sex with your wife/significant other? What position(s)? Do : you use birth control? If so, what type? Does that include phone sex? : Ever been arrested? What for? What was the dispostion of the charge(s)? Records were sealed, so NO. : Ever do something illegal but weren't caught? What was it? If I wasn't caught, then NO, it never happened. : Ever drive after drinking too much? Again, haven't been caught, so NO : Ever use illegal drugs? AGAIN, no record of it, so NO : Ever cheat on your income tax returns? Haven't been caught, so NO : How did you vote in the last election? Punched a FKing Chad....I think that was his name. : What's your IQ? This is something that one would be worrying about getting out to the Government via wiretap? Well, I gu