From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 12:32:51 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue Jan 31 22:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SETI@home BOINC Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Patto wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> ... >> >> Say, is that you: >> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=17155 > > Indeed it is. :) You are still on display on the http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/ front page. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 12:51:20 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue Jan 31 22:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02- >> On what charge? > > > So far they're saying she 'created a disturbance by unfurling an antiwar > banner'. I'd take that with a grain of salt.... CNN now says that she was arrested for wearing an anti-war T-shirt. "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address. "She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman, adding that Sheehan was arrested for unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor. The charge carries a maximum penalty of one year in jail, Schneider said." http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/01/31/sheehan.arrest/index.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 08:55:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In any event, if Iran gets nukes, we'll have the Shrub to thank. Iraq > was in the Axis of Evil, had no bomb, was invaded. North Korea was in > the Axis of Evil, has the bomb, has not been invaded. What other > conclusion could Iran, the third member of the Axis of Evil, draw > from that? If you have the bomb, you don't get invaded, so we gotta > get a bomb. Not going to argue that at all because you're right. But Israel would never stand for it. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 08:57:34 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:00:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote: \> On the other hand, I'm still furious and fuming at nearly every > statement he made during that speech. This is not a leader. > He's an embarassment. I watched the episode of 24 I taped on Monday. Saved it just for last night so I could avoid the heartburn you're going thru. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 09:09:45 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 1 09:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:drpfa9$llk$1@news.spamcop.net... > She didn't do or say anything, just wore a shirt (would it have > been better if she stripped it off over her head when the goons > accosted her because of the shirt?) She wore a t-shirt with the number of dead in Iraq printed on it. I'm not sure what she thought was going to happen when she wore something like that to the state of the union address. > > On the other hand, I'm still furious and fuming at nearly every > statement he made during that speech. This is not a leader. > He's an embarassment. He's a liar and an asshole. How can you strenghten our position in the world by educating people better when you've just cut student loans? How can you fix the budget and the economy when you want to make the tax cuts for your rich buddies permanent and cut the social programs for those who don't have any money? He started off completely on the wrong foot - "the state of the union is strong". NO IT'S NOT, you MORON! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 10:15:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > She wore a t-shirt with the number of dead in Iraq printed on it. > > I'm not sure what > > she thought was going to happen when she wore something like that > > to the state of the > > union address. > > It should have been ignored. That's what I do when someone wears a > shirt I disagree with. You can't wear tee shirts like that in public schools, you think the WH is going to give her *more* leeway?! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 10:29:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Patto wrote: > > > "She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly > > Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman, adding that Sheehan was > > arrested for unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor. > > Wearing a T-shirt is not unlawful conduct. Refusing to cover up a > shirt which is legal to wear is not unlawful conduct. Sgt. Schneider > and the arresting officer both need fired. Sounds to me like the cops were just doing their jobs........of course the cynic in me sez that someone behaving similarly in support of Bush would probably of gotten away from that if not for the verbal stuff..... Activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested last night after demonstrating in the spectators gallery of the House of Representatives as part of a larger war protest that was held outside the Capitol. Sheehan, who was apparently given a gallery ticket by a member of Congress, began to attract notice about 30 minutes to an hour before President Bush's State of the Union speech. Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, opened her jacket to reveal a T-shirt that, according to a supporter, gave the number of U.S. war dead and asked, "How many more?" She was also vocal, said U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer, and ***** after she ignored instructions to close her jacket and quiet down, she was led out and arrested. Demonstrating in the House gallery is prohibited.***** From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 09:52:50 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Oh, boo hoo! Message-ID: <43E0CB42.3DFEA88A@spamcop.net> http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060131/od_afp/uspeoplegatestax_060131213459 Bill Gates, the world's richest man, said the tax office in the US has to store his financial data on a special computer because his fortune is so vast. "My tax return in the United States has to be kept on a special computer because their normal computers can't deal with the numbers," he said at a Microsoft conference held in Lisbon. [...] Cry me a river. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 10:45:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The plot thickens... Message-ID: Updated: 11:44 p.m. ET Jan. 31, 2006 SAN JOSE, Calif. - A civil liberties group sued AT&T Inc. on Tuesday for its alleged role in helping the National Security Agency spy on the phone calls and other communications of U.S. citizens without warrants. The class-action lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, seeks to stop the surveillance program that started shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks. It also seeks billions of dollars in damages. The EFF claims the San Antonio-based telecommunications company not only provided direct access to its network that carries voice and data but also to its massive databases of stored telephone and Internet records that are updated constantly. ***but given that it is apparently legal to sell phone records, doubtful this lawsuite is going anywhere?****** From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 11:19:10 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:drql2a$b9a$1@news.spamcop.net... > > ***but given that it is apparently legal to sell phone records, doubtful > this lawsuite is going anywhere?****** > I think there is question as to whether or not this was done legally. The companies that were selling the records obtained them through subterfuge, pretending to be the consumer. Still, I hope the EFF wins this case. What really p!sses me off is Bush causing the FBI wasting thousands of manhours tracking down "leads" from NSA that are usually little more than Aunt Janna calling back home to the Middle East. And now that the story is out, he is stupid enough to continue doing it...like Al Qaeda will never figure out that they can tie up intelligence assets even more by merely calling random persons in the US. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 12:38:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > Still, I hope the EFF wins this case. What really p!sses me off is > Bush causing the FBI wasting thousands of manhours tracking down > "leads" from NSA that are usually little more than Aunt Janna calling > back home to the Middle East. And now that the story is out, he is > stupid enough to continue doing it...like Al Qaeda will never figure > out that they can tie up intelligence assets even more by merely > calling random persons in the US. Have you heard about NSA's "Trailblazer" fiasco? They've spent over $1.2 billion over the last 4 years to come up with an upgraded computer system for sorting all the data they've been collecting. How far along are they? Still at the starting point! They file away or discard up to 95% of the data they collect for lack of processing power and resources (analysts). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 12:40:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > OK, ignoring Iran for the moment, what's being done about this bloody > 'nuclear black market'?! Seems to me that they're as much of if not > more of a problem than Iran. >From what I've heard/read you can obtain crude plans for a bomb on the internet. This document ain't no big threat except for that it may confirm that Iran really does want the bomb. > > Back to Iran, I wonder where they'd use their first (and last) nuclear > bomb? They'd have to know that if they did use it, it would be > curtains. I they had it, they wouldn't need to use it (see North Korea). It's threat no country would ever risk acting against. But Mossad would never let them get that far anyway, IMO. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 13:14:11 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 1 13:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:drqrmi$gb5$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Still, I hope the EFF wins this case. What really p!sses me off is >> Bush causing the FBI wasting thousands of manhours tracking down >> "leads" from NSA that are usually little more than Aunt Janna calling >> back home to the Middle East. And now that the story is out, he is >> stupid enough to continue doing it...like Al Qaeda will never figure >> out that they can tie up intelligence assets even more by merely >> calling random persons in the US. > > Have you heard about NSA's "Trailblazer" fiasco? They've spent over $1.2 > billion over the last 4 years to come up with an upgraded computer system > for sorting all the data they've been collecting. How far along are they? > Still at the starting point! They file away or discard up to 95% of the > data > they collect for lack of processing power and resources (analysts). > Yeah, heard about that. My congress critter (Hoekstra) chairs the Intelligence Committee. He has been defending the programs and saying that people are politicizing intel. Well, duh...it was politicized the day they started spying on peace organizations, ignoring intel contrary to their agenda (Iraq), and devoting resources to pursuing stupidity. Not that it will do much good, but I slammed him and Bush about all this crap in a letter to the editor that got published in my local newspaper the other day. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 13:33:56 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 1 13:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:drqrqh$gh1$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> >> Back to Iran, I wonder where they'd use their first (and last) nuclear >> bomb? They'd have to know that if they did use it, it would be >> curtains. > > I they had it, they wouldn't need to use it (see North Korea). It's threat > no country would ever risk acting against. But Mossad would never let them > get that far anyway, IMO. > I'm not so sure about that. North Korea's proximity to China, South Korea, and Japan make it risky to do anything militarily. As long as there isn't a major escalation in rhetoric or an actual attack, North Korea's neighbors seem to favor the status quo. We're more concerned that weapons might be sold...otherwise, they wouldn't really be much of a threat. Iran is another story. It is very likely they'll be attacked if is proven they have the bomb or are pursuing it...and Iran's neighbors probably wouldn't bitch about it much. Iran would have to have a lot of nukes, and longer range missles before they could be considered a deterrent to an attack. Bush was pretty stupid to call them out though, considering our military is already very stretched. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 1 11:00:39 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SETI@home BOINC Conversion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patto wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Patto wrote: >> >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>>> ... >>> >>> >>> Say, is that you: >>> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=17155 >> >> >> Indeed it is. :) > > > You are still on display on the http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/ front > page. Nah, they took me down. I got a screenshot of it first, however. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 14:19:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: Iran would have to have a lot > of nukes, and longer range missles before they could be considered a > deterrent to an attack. I believe they've test fired a missile capable of reaching Israel....that's far enough.....given that their leader has publically stated more than once that they should be wiped off the map.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 14:21:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: Not that it will do much good, but > I slammed him and Bush about all this crap in a letter to the editor > that got published in my local newspaper the other day. Well, seeing as the NSA is a mere 5 minute drive from my house.....and only 15 minutes from Baltimore.....let's just say these stories and editorials get a lot more play around here ;-) I've written several letters to the ed but they never got published (too much competition?) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 14:27:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 14:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:drqrqh$gh1$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > From what I've heard/read you can obtain crude plans for a bomb on > > the internet. This document ain't no big threat except for that it > > may confirm that Iran really does want the bomb. > > The document may not be a threat but a 'black market' in nuclear > trade is worrying. The nuke black market has been around since before the collapse of the Soviet Union, dearie.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 15:10:51 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK pet law.. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975D5A27343ECspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > Well stupid inasmuch as the detail they go into (like providing a > playmate?!) as well as being unenforceable except for the worst offences > which will be obvious to anyone who sees the animal. Well, the whole point of that is I guess to remind [cluless] people who don't understand the responsibilites of pet ownership that dogs don't like to be alone, and when they are alone and distressed they become nuisances, which then end up in a shelter because they bark incessantly or destroy a house. They're trying to prevent animals from being dumped just because they're left alone 10 hours a day and bark the whole time. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Feb 1 21:37:18 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:07:25 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Wearing a T-shirt is not unlawful conduct. Refusing to cover up a > shirt which is legal to wear is not unlawful conduct. Sgt. Schneider and > the arresting officer both need fired. So does Dubya, but that's not going to happen... -- Steve Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 1 12:35:54 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Eponym wrote: > Iran would have to have a lot > >>of nukes, and longer range missles before they could be considered a >>deterrent to an attack. > > > I believe they've test fired a missile capable of reaching Israel....that's > far enough.....given that their leader has publically stated more than once > that they should be wiped off the map.... > > If Iran even comes close to getting a deliverable nuke...Israel will launch a pare-emptive strike. They've done it before. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 15:47:31 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this cracked me up References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975D5ABBDB315spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > I think the answer is that nobody (except maybe her and her accomplice) > knows. I haven't read details on the case to know if they found evidence of > the guy's DNA at her place. Supposedly the body was cut up and dumped by > her and a friend. Presumably there wasn't enough evidence to convict her. > Either that or the jury enjoyed the whole spectacle so much they didn't > have the heart to put her in the slammer! Not enough evidence to convict her, but the guy disappeared after she admits he died there......so? Where is he? No evidence that it was cut up in her bathtub either. It just doesn't make sense to me that she was the last one to see him alive and dead and they're not holding her responsible for his whereabouts. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 1 21:06:43 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > >>From what I've heard/read you can obtain crude plans for a bomb on the > internet. This document ain't no big threat except for that it may confirm > that Iran really does want the bomb. The basic design of a nuclear bomb isn't terribly complicated. You explode a cone of nuclear material into a sphere of nuclear material that is just under critical mass to push it over the edge. The real challenge lies in getting the nuclear materials, mining it, processing it, enriching it, and the rest of that. The other tricky part of it is delivering it, missiles and all that. The Scud missiles might be capable of launching a device with some sort of vague accuracy to somewhere in Israel. But you know, as we saw with fuel air explosives and some of the other stuff that was dropped in both of the Gulf Wars, there are easier ways to make explosives that can be as destructive. > I they had it, they wouldn't need to use it (see North Korea). It's threat > no country would ever risk acting against. But Mossad would never let them > get that far anyway, IMO. North Korea also has about 10,000 pieces of artillery within range of Seoul and seems more than willing to level the city if provoked. Iraq was in the unfortunate position of not being strong enough to defend itself in any sort of meaningful way so that's why they were such a prime target. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 16:45:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > > > > If Iran even comes close to getting a deliverable nuke...Israel will > launch a pare-emptive strike. They've done it before. I know. I'd bet if Iran insists on producing it's own uranium instead of letting the Ruskies do it they'll get the crap bombed out of that plant. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 1 13:57:57 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 1 17:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Wrong group for this post, but it's the only one that seems alive today. Message-ID: My SC mail service is having trouble connecting to every single one of my external POP servers. Anybody else having problems? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 17:21:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 1 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > > Since when did we give up our First Amendment rights? When you're an invited guest at an event that says "no demonstrations allowed". You can't yell fire in a theater either, you know. From cfw at prodigy.net Wed Feb 1 15:10:20 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh, boo hoo! References: <43E0CB42.3DFEA88A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: lol "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43E0CB42.3DFEA88A@spamcop.net... > Cry me a river. > > -- > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | > | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > Don't e-mail me at: > > From cfw at prodigy.net Wed Feb 1 15:12:04 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:10:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wrong group for this post, but it's the only one that seems alive today. References: Message-ID: Mine are working fine. Chris "Borgholio" wrote in message news:drravu$lqe$4@news.spamcop.net... > My SC mail service is having trouble connecting to every single one of my > external POP servers. Anybody else having problems? From cfw at prodigy.net Wed Feb 1 15:14:02 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Feb 1 18:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:drqfis$86o$1@news.spamcop.net... > He's a liar and an asshole. How can you strenghten our position in the world > by > educating people better when you've just cut student loans? How can you fix > the > budget and the economy when you want to make the tax cuts for your rich > buddies > permanent and cut the social programs for those who don't have any money? He > started > off completely on the wrong foot - "the state of the union is strong". NO > IT'S NOT, > you MORON! > Well, you have a right to you own opinion. However, throwing money at education isn't going to fix it. Or social programs for that matter.. Chris From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Feb 1 20:16:24 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Feb 1 20:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in > > > In any event, if Iran gets nukes, we'll have the Shrub to thank. Iraq > > was in the Axis of Evil, had no bomb, was invaded. North Korea was in > > the Axis of Evil, has the bomb, has not been invaded. What other > > conclusion could Iran, the third member of the Axis of Evil, draw from > > that? If you have the bomb, you don't get invaded, so we gotta get a > > bomb. > > good point... but it's one thing to have it and another to use it and i > honestly don't think they'd dare North Korea hasn't had to use theirs. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Feb 1 20:22:44 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Feb 1 20:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > I they had it, they wouldn't need to use it (see North Korea). It's threat > no country would ever risk acting against. But Mossad would never let them > get that far anyway, IMO. How are they going to stop them? It's not going to be a repeat of the '81 strike. Iran hasn't made the same mistake that Iraq did. The Iranian facilities are decentralized. Israel and/or the U.S. could never be sure they got the key sites. It's not like either country has the resources to invade. And the U.S. has no network of intelligence assets on the ground in Iran. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 20:51:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Feb 1 21:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-D89196.18444601022006 There was absolutely no good reason to arrest this woman. Bush never "needs" a good reason to do anything he's done. From ftabor at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 21:17:01 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Wed Feb 1 21:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:51:46 -0500, you wrote: > >"David Dean" wrote in message >news:ozchzhq02-D89196.18444601022006 > >There was absolutely no good reason to arrest this woman. > >Bush never "needs" a good reason to do anything he's done. > I didn't know Bush was a Police Officer. Seems to me the Washington police arrested her for refusing to leave. -- Frank Tabor From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Feb 2 02:23:57 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Feb 1 21:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] THIS KIND OF STUFF HAS GOT TO STOP IN OUR COUNTRY! Message-ID: We Must Stop This Immediately! Have you noticed that stairs are getting steeper. Groceries are heavier. And, everything is farther away. Yesterday I walked to the corner and I was dumbfounded to discover how long our street had become! And, you know, people are less considerate now, especially the young ones. They speak in whispers all the time! If you ask them to speak up they just keep repeating themselves, endlessly mouthing the same silent message until they're red in the face! What do they think I am, a lip reader? I also think they are much younger than I was at the same age. On the other hand, people my own age are so much older than I am. I ran into an old friend the other day and she has aged so much that she didn't even recognize me. I got to thinking about the poor dear while I was combing my hair this morning, and in doing so, I glanced at my own refection.........Well, REALLY NOW- even mirrors are not made the way they used to be! Another thing, everyone drives so fast these days! You're risking life and limb if you happen to pull onto the freeway in front of them.. All I can say is, their brakes must wear out awfully fast, the way I see them screech and swerve in my rear view mirror. Clothing manufacturers are less civilized these days. Why else would they suddenly start labeling a size 10 or 12 dress as 18 or 20? Do they think no one notices that these things no longer fit around the waist, hips, thighs, and bosom? The people who make bathroom scales are pulling the same prank, but in reverse. Do they think I actually "believe" the number I see on that dial? HA! I would never let myself weigh that much! Just who do these people think they're fooling? I'd like to call up someone in authority to report what's going on --but the telephone company is in on the conspiracy too: they've printed the phone books in such small type that no one could ever find a number in here! All I can do is pass along this warning: We are under attack! Unless something drastic happens, pretty soon everyone will have to suffer these awful indignities. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN GET THIS CONSPIRACY STOPPED! From ftabor at gmail.com Wed Feb 1 21:26:34 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Wed Feb 1 21:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:17:01 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:51:46 -0500, you wrote: > >> >>"David Dean" wrote in message >>news:ozchzhq02-D89196.18444601022006 >> >>There was absolutely no good reason to arrest this woman. >> >>Bush never "needs" a good reason to do anything he's done. >> > >I didn't know Bush was a Police Officer. Seems to me the Washington >police arrested her for refusing to leave. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FG23S8G.html -- Frank Tabor From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 22:18:48 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 1 22:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4671566.stm > Plans for new anti-terrorism controls on websites have led to a government defeat in the Lords - by just one vote. The original plans would have allowed a police constable to decide that information on the internet could be related to terrorism. But peers changed the Terrorism Bill to ensure police have to ask judges before telling internet providers that web pages should be removed. The bill received a third reading and will now return to the Commons. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 12:51:46 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Wed Feb 1 22:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: >> In article , >> Patto wrote: >> >>> "She was asked to cover it up. She did not," said Sgt. Kimberly >>> Schneider, U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman, adding that Sheehan was >>> arrested for unlawful conduct, a misdemeanor. >> Wearing a T-shirt is not unlawful conduct. Refusing to cover up a >> shirt which is legal to wear is not unlawful conduct. Sgt. Schneider >> and the arresting officer both need fired. > > Sounds to me like the cops were just doing their jobs........ It appears not. CNN now says "On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. ?We made a mistake?, he told CNN." http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/index.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 22:55:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Feb 1 23:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Patto" wrote in message news:drrvie$5on$1@news.spamcop.net... It appears not. CNN now says "On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Terrance Gainer said neither woman should have been removed from the chamber. “We made a mistake”, he told CNN." http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/01/sheehan.arrest/index.html Yuh huh, made a mistake on whose orders? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 1 23:01:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Feb 1 23:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Formerly fat, etc References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > Yes, but, at some point there is prolonging which is just making the > suffering last longer... I don't want to get into how much the PRUNES (not > mine, hers) spent prolonging the life of a dog that they loved by maybe 6 > months... And was the dog happy at any time during that time? No chance, > man... Quality of life should come before all else, I can't understand why people do that to an animal they supposedly love. I took one of my dogs to a homeopathic vet tonight, he uses dousing rods to help diagnose illness and allergies, and also whether a sick animal wants to live or die. Pretty interesting stuff, my dog is happy, wants to live, is allergic to beef and lamb, and surprisingly likes my other dog enough to keep her around. Funny, I always thought she'd like Portia a whole lot better if she lived down the street so she could have me all to herself... ;) From nospambillnot at comcast.net Wed Feb 1 23:10:16 2006 From: nospambillnot at comcast.net (JustPlainBill) Date: Thu Feb 2 02:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Formerly fat, etc References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns975DCF5A25E9FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > A 20 y/o cat? Yeah, I know, it happens, but, wow. Wow. I mean... Yeah. > Well, the $1k isn't in the budget. And the pills aren't costing us $30 a > month at this point. Maybe half that. And they appear to be working. We > don't expect him to hit 20. Ah. He also has a heart murmur and the vet > snip< Sorry, wrong impression. He's 16 now and was 12 at the time of the treatment. Over the years we've had two live to 20 and a couple to 17/18 . The norm for us seems to fall between 13/16. Since we started to keep everybody in about 8 years ago they've started to last a bit longer. I usually have two or three sprawled all over me when I'm watching tv. Wife calls it my cat blanket. I've always been a cat person. Had my first cat when I was 12. Called him Mouse. Like their independence and personalities. -- JustPlainBill From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 2 00:51:39 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Feb 2 03:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... Message-ID: In early- to mid-January, I went on a road trip. This was intended as a source of much recovery. I drove from San Francisco to Phoenix, Arizona to visit with an old high-school friend of mine, her fiance, and several of her friends. Much lazing about their townhouse and jacuzzi ensued. Her fiance is a police officer, and I did a "ride along" with him, and we busted several Stupid People Committing Dangerous Acts (DUI, criminal speed, reckless driving, and one involving all of the above...guy drove through a fence on a frontage road to the highway and, with fence still firmly attached to his car, nearly squished an ADOT worker on the side of the road before coming to rest. He blew a .265 on the breathalyzer. Booked on four misdemeanors and two felonies). Additionally, we went out into the desert and had some Shooty Goodness (M1 Garand, Remington 870, Glock 19, Glock 17, a Beretta of Unknown Type but of 9mm, a Smith & Wesson Revolver of Unknown Type in .38 Special, and a Sig P229 were enjoyed). Before leaving Phoenix, I stopped by the Fpbggfqnyr Tha Pyho (rot'ed for their privacy), the largest Class III dealer in Arizona. For those not familiar with US gun laws, they're the biggest dealer of legal machineguns, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and silencers in Arizona. After much ogling (machineguns are /expensive/!), I left Phoenix, visited Meteor Crater, camped out at the Grand Canyon (and realized I don't do terribly well when it's 5°F outside in a rather lacking tent and sleeping bag), took some dramatic pictures, and then journeyed to Las Vegas. There, I met up with a friend of mine from Montana, and we had Expensive Shooty Goodness (went to Front Sight Firearms Training Academy outside Pahrump, NV, about an hour west of Vegas -- we had a certificate, so the training was free, but ammo gets to be expensive. I brought my M1 Garand, she brought her AK-47 -- the guns we both are least comfortable with under stress, brought so we could each become better with them, rather than training with one we were very comfortable with). Much recovery was had in Las Vegas itself, though no gambling nor drinking occured. After a few days of this, I returned my friend to the airport, then commenced my journey home. As I was driving over the hills somewhat near Los Angeles (not sure exactly where), I commented "Ah, it's really great to be alive." Those of you who watch any sort of war movies with sentimental scenes (usually with some soldier reminiscing about his girl back home, about how he's going to marry her when he gets back, etc.) know that whoever just said such a thing is probably going to get shot in the next scene. Well, I didn't get shot...but I did get t-boned by a 1994 Cadillac Fleetwood in a rural town outside of Bakersfield. I was seeking a) food, b) a place to relieve myself, and c) a Pvathyne Jveryrff store to get a car charger for my leash. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5L turbodiesel (i.e. a vehicle made almost entirely from old Panzer tank armor plating), was struck on the passenger side square in the center pillar. My car pivoted around the left-front wheel. The left-rear tire was torn from the wheel, and the right-rear wheel remained attached, but the mounting/axle was bent (I didn't look too closely, but it couldn't turn and was bent at a funny angle). Both myself and the other driver escaped without injury, thankfully enough. Of course, the driver of the offending vehicle lacked any sort of insurance (he had just let his expire). Fortunately, I have Uninsured Motorist Coverage on my car insurance plan, so I'm not left high and dry. My dad, being ever the gentleman, drove about five hours down to pick me and my stuff up from the tow yard parking lot (I refused to let them take the car into the "secured" tow lot, because a. there were firearms in the car and I didn't want to leave them unsupervised, and b. I had nowhere to go or stay until he got there, so I remained in the car, and c. they couldn't leave me unattended in the secured lot...as it was "secure" -- after I emptied the car, the tow truck guy came back and dragged the car into the secure area). I'm now driving a little rental Chevy Aveo while search for "new" used cars, wait for my check from the insurance company (they promised me by the end of next week) because the car was deemed a total loss. Argh. Double argh. While I did have a fun time, meet new people, and enjoy several episodes of Shooty Goodness, I had a car I was quite fond of destroyed, and must now search - a tedious process in and of itself - for a less-optimal vehicle. Still, I /am/ alive. That's something to be said. I'm fearful about what Suckitude Fate has in store for me...it obviously failed to kill me this last time, so I'm quite worried about the next attempt. ..... Photos/more details below: * Car crash and pictures: uggc://urlcrgr.yvirwbheany.pbz/231975.ugzy * Arizona (police stuff, lazing about, and Shooty Goodness -- I'm the guy in blue jeans and t-shirt): uggc://urlcrgr.yvirwbheany.pbz/232283.ugzy * Las Vegas: uggc://urlcrgr.yvirwbheany.pbz/232843.ugzy and uggc://jjj.sberireinva.pbz/tnyyrel/i/jvyyneq/ynfirtnf2006/ * Front Sight Shooty Goodness: uggc://urlcrgr.yvirwbheany.pbz/233045.ugzy and uggc://jjj.sberireinva.pbz/tnyyrel/i/thacvpf/sebagfvtug2006/ -- Pete "Why can't it ever go smooth?!" Stephenson HeyPete.com From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Feb 2 10:48:38 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Feb 2 05:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Birthday Calculator. References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:drikn1$jsj$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Oh sure I do, LOL I think it was mostly referring to the unfinished > group of polar fleece things I've started sewing and never > finished...allllll over my kitchen table... > Hey, you could sew it all together and make a patchwork blanket. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Feb 2 11:06:10 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote in news:pete+usenet-B53418.00513802022006@news.cesmail.net: > > Of course, the driver of the offending vehicle lacked any sort of > insurance (he had just let his expire). Fortunately, I have Uninsured > Motorist Coverage on my car insurance plan, so I'm not left high and > dry. > There are just WAY too many of these people out on the roads in this state. Hmmm... a 94 Caddy and this guy has no insurance? I sense something more wrong with this picture. > > Argh. Double argh. While I did have a fun time, meet new people, and > enjoy several episodes of Shooty Goodness, I had a car I was quite > fond of destroyed, and must now search - a tedious process in and of > itself - for a less-optimal vehicle. Which is very annoying to say the least. Maybe you should get a truck? > > Still, I /am/ alive. That's something to be said. I'm fearful about > what Suckitude Fate has in store for me...it obviously failed to kill > me this last time, so I'm quite worried about the next attempt. > Do what I do.. stay away from the urban areas. Drive along Niles-Canyon Road, Rte 92, or Rte 17... those without insurance tend end up in the ravine rather than broadsiding you. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Feb 2 11:14:40 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- AFF548.20162401022006@news.cesmail.net: >> >> good point... but it's one thing to have it and another to use it and i >> honestly don't think they'd dare > > North Korea hasn't had to use theirs. How do you know North Korea has a nuclear bomb? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 11:18:08 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4671566.stm > > Plans for new anti-terrorism controls on websites have led to a government > defeat in the Lords - by just one vote. > > The original plans would have allowed a police constable to decide that > information on the internet could be related to terrorism. > > But peers changed the Terrorism Bill to ensure police have to ask judges > before telling internet providers that web pages should be removed. > > The bill received a third reading and will now return to the Commons. There has been a mild amount of resistance to the more radical terrorist measures here. I would say that shooting that innocent guy in the subway really made a lot of this stuff unpalatable. Blair suffered his first big defeat in the commons a month or two ago when he tried to extend the time the police can detain without charges from 90 days, I think, to something much longer. From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 03:39:15 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Bullshit. If it became neccessary.. We'd invade. Nuke or not. Chris "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-EED8A5.21032131012006@news.cesmail.net... > In any event, if Iran gets nukes, we'll have the Shrub to thank. Iraq was in > the > Axis of Evil, had no bomb, was invaded. North Korea was in the Axis of Evil, > has > the bomb, has not been invaded. What other conclusion could Iran, the third > member of the Axis of Evil, draw from that? If you have the bomb, you don't > get > invaded, so we gotta get a bomb. > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't > change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 03:44:00 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: Neither did Clinton.. "Heidi" wrote in message news:drros0$2di$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Bush never "needs" a good reason to do anything he's done. > > From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 03:48:58 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: No. However, lack of funding is not generally the real problem AND considering we're *already* spending wayyy more than we take in.. I can't really find any fault here. A good start for education would be abolishing the DoEdu and handing all control back to the states and local jurisdictions. Chris "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975D9E96DCD67spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > Cutting budgets will though? From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 03:50:34 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: 90 days seems excessive to me. "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:jc69b3-m3s.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > There has been a mild amount of resistance to the more radical terrorist > measures here. I would say that shooting that innocent guy in the subway > really made a lot of this stuff unpalatable. Blair suffered his first big > defeat in the commons a month or two ago when he tried to extend the time the > police can detain without charges from 90 days, I think, to something much > longer. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Feb 2 11:47:17 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Feb 2 06:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:drr1kt$kk6$1@news.spamcop.net: > I believe they've test fired a missile capable of reaching > Israel....that's far enough.....given that their leader has publically > stated more than once that they should be wiped off the map.... > The Third Reich appears to have risen again.. only now it isn't just an ideology that needs to be thwarted. It is disguised in a religion. An even more difficult task. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Feb 2 11:55:14 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Feb 2 07:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in news:drr7t4$oa8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > The other tricky part of it is delivering it, missiles and all that. > The Scud missiles might be capable of launching a device with some > sort of vague accuracy to somewhere in Israel. > There is an easier way. Hide it in a cargo container filled with goods. Once the container is in enemy territory and stashed somewhere at a warehouse, then detonate. No need for a missile delivery system. > > North Korea also has about 10,000 pieces of artillery within range of > Seoul and seems more than willing to level the city if provoked. Iraq > was in the unfortunate position of not being strong enough to defend > itself in any sort of meaningful way so that's why they were such a > prime target. > Only if provoked, but North Korea would also be hard pressed trying to maintain their position if they do ever stage any military action. They don't have the resources to conduct any long term sieges. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 11:32:21 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 07:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9779b3-djs.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Redstone wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- > AFF548.20162401022006@news.cesmail.net: > >>> good point... but it's one thing to have it and another to use it and i >>> honestly don't think they'd dare >> North Korea hasn't had to use theirs. > > How do you know North Korea has a nuclear bomb? There seems to be a great deal of declassified documents that show the tracking of the beginnings of their nuclear program in the early 80s to their public admission in 2002 (in violation of their agreement in 1994 to not pursue a nuclear weapon) that they do possess them now. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB87/ From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Feb 2 13:28:49 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Feb 2 07:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:18:08 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > first big defeat in the commons a month or two ago when he tried to > extend the time the police can detain without charges from 90 days, I > think, to something much longer. Actually it was *to* 90 days from something much shorter, like 72 hours IIRCBICBW. -- Steve "Thank you for calling the Incontinence hotline. Please hold." From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 12:10:28 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 07:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns975D9E96DCD67spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... >> Cutting budgets will though? > Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > No. > > However, lack of funding is not generally the real problem AND > considering we're *already* spending wayyy more than we take in.. I > can't really find any fault here. A good start for education would be > abolishing the DoEdu and handing all control back to the states and > local jurisdictions. So, how exactly is the No Child Left Behind mess a step in that direction. It is a maze of unfunded mandates from the Federal level pulling even more control away from the local level. Not to mention that the mess that an unnecessary war and tax cuts have left with budgets, forcing local communities to find ways to fund that with shrinking levels of Federal funding. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 12:50:24 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 08:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:drr7t4$oa8$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> The other tricky part of it is delivering it, missiles and all that. >> The Scud missiles might be capable of launching a device with some >> sort of vague accuracy to somewhere in Israel. > > There is an easier way. Hide it in a cargo container filled with goods. > Once the container is in enemy territory and stashed somewhere at a > warehouse, then detonate. No need for a missile delivery system. Is that really easier or possible? Hauling in a huge package that probably sets off gieger counters from a hostile country. As often as the post office loses packages, you really want to trust delivery of something that valuable to some sort of shipping company? >> North Korea also has about 10,000 pieces of artillery within range of >> Seoul and seems more than willing to level the city if provoked. Iraq >> was in the unfortunate position of not being strong enough to defend >> itself in any sort of meaningful way so that's why they were such a >> prime target. > > Only if provoked, but North Korea would also be hard pressed trying to > maintain their position if they do ever stage any military action. They > don't have the resources to conduct any long term sieges. But it is a deterrent in the same way that mutually assured destruction in nuclear war is a deterrent. It would be completely mad and stupid but look at how close we came during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and probably in plenty of other instances since then. I don't see the goal in surviving a long term siege, but in making the threat of retribution too costly to consider attacking them. Remember, military doctrine currently favors going in with overwhelming force and minimizing our losses. We would rather not have them fight back. Going in with an air war at the beginning would probably allow them plenty of time to destroy parts of South Korea. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 12:37:07 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 08:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:18:08 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > >> first big defeat in the commons a month or two ago when he tried to >> extend the time the police can detain without charges from 90 days, I >> think, to something much longer. > > Actually it was *to* 90 days from something much shorter, like 72 hours > IIRCBICBW. Yeah, you are right. I looked it up later. They wanted to make it 90 days. It was at 14 days at the time and they compromised on 28 days. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 12:34:26 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 08:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:drr1kt$kk6$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I believe they've test fired a missile capable of reaching >> Israel....that's far enough.....given that their leader has publically >> stated more than once that they should be wiped off the map.... > > The Third Reich appears to have risen again.. only now it isn't just an > ideology that needs to be thwarted. It is disguised in a religion. An even > more difficult task. There was a rather interesting show on here a few weeks ago, Richard Dawkins, the scientist guy who wrote the Selfish Gene, did a rather interesting show on religion, The Root Of All Evil. I think it was a bit extreme, especially considering there has been plenty of evil that has happened outside of a religious context, but he did make a lot of interesting points and showed a bunch of scary people. And the pastor at the church in Colorado Springs (who totally didn't get it when Dawkins said the service was rather impressive in the way the Nuremberg rallies were, or maybe he did later when he came out and yelled at them in the parking lot and told them to get off his property) was just as scary as the Muslim (who scolded Dawkins for not keeping his women in check). I lived in Colorado Springs before, I know how scary it can be there. But his basic thesis was that science and religion cannot coexist because they are too opposed to each other, one requires a blind acceptance of something and will resist any attempts to adapt to a changing world and new facts while the other doesn't. And fervor and blind belief causes all the problems in the world. And he was rather concerned about the indoctrination of children in one or another of these belief systems when they are young and impressionable and unable to handle things like that. I do wish the show could have been a bit better but overall it was rather interesting. And even more interesting because it would never ever ever ever ever be shown on a broadcast channel in the US. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu Feb 2 13:14:57 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu Feb 2 08:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby on 02/02/2006 wrote: >90 days seems excessive to me. You're dead right. A quarter of a year incarceration without proof of wrong doing or trial is what you'd expect from some nasty little dictatorship not a democracy. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 09:08:11 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 2 09:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns975E1F95A7E37tinlc@216.154.195.61... > > Hmmm... a 94 Caddy and this guy has no insurance? I sense something more > wrong with this picture. He won't be getting away scot free, the insurance company will be going after him for the damages they have to pay out, and he will discover the true cost of being uninsured. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 09:10:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 2 09:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Formerly fat, etc References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns975E485A72DA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Heidi" ! > > > Guess you've never seen the Sex and the City episode about the > > vibrating chair? > > Guess I don't have TV and wouldn't pay for cable if I did. Well it was about a vibrating chair for babies, it was the only thing that would shut him up when he cried, so that must be somewhat soothing to have a vibrating cat on your baby's head. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Feb 2 16:29:33 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:14:57 +0000 (UTC), Canopus coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > You're dead right. A quarter of a year incarceration without proof of > wrong doing or trial is what you'd expect from some nasty little > dictatorship not a democracy. Gitmo, anyone? I guess that was your point... And I tend to agree with it. -- Steve The three "R"s of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Feb 2 16:31:00 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:15:04 -0600, Kenneth Loafman coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > True, and he'll end up staying uninsured and still driving with the > excuse that he's too broke to buy insurance. Until we start taking > away their cars, uninsured motorists will continue to be a problem. Is car insurance not mandatory in your neck of the woods? -- Steve A computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 10:49:14 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 2 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndu49dk.99i.nobody@127.0.0.1... > > > True, and he'll end up staying uninsured and still driving with the > > excuse that he's too broke to buy insurance. Until we start taking > > away their cars, uninsured motorists will continue to be a problem. > > Is car insurance not mandatory in your neck of the woods? In most places it's only mandatory if you don't own the car outright, the bank insists that you must insure their property. You can choose to carry liability, but not collision if your car is old and isn't worth fixing when there's an accident, but some people drive junks and don't pay for insurance, and take the risk of having their asses sued off and losing everything they own and/or jail if they hit someone and/or hurt someone. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 11:18:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 11:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" | > Hmmm... a 94 Caddy and this guy has no insurance? I sense something more | > wrong with this picture. | | He won't be getting away scot free, the insurance company will be going after him for | the damages they have to pay out, and he will discover the true cost of being | uninsured. Sue a begger get a louse. BTDT From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 11:24:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 11:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4671566.stm > | > Plans for new anti-terrorism controls on websites have led to a | > government defeat in the Lords - by just one vote. | > | > The original plans would have allowed a police constable to decide | > that information on the internet could be related to terrorism. | > | > But peers changed the Terrorism Bill to ensure police have to ask | > judges before telling internet providers that web pages should be | > removed. | > | > The bill received a third reading and will now return to the Commons. | | Except on that side of the pond, the bill DID NOT pass! Came close and a clear indication that the mind set is there. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 16:18:01 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 11:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message > news:slrndu49dk.99i.nobody@127.0.0.1... >>> True, and he'll end up staying uninsured and still driving with the >>> excuse that he's too broke to buy insurance. Until we start taking >>> away their cars, uninsured motorists will continue to be a problem. >> Is car insurance not mandatory in your neck of the woods? > > In most places it's only mandatory if you don't own the car outright, the bank > insists that you must insure their property. You can choose to carry liability, but > not collision if your car is old and isn't worth fixing when there's an accident, but > some people drive junks and don't pay for insurance, and take the risk of having > their asses sued off and losing everything they own and/or jail if they hit someone > and/or hurt someone. Besides, also having a valid drivers license or not driving drunk or lots of other things are mandatory but lots of people still do it. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 12:14:39 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , Redstone wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- > > > North Korea hasn't had to use theirs. > > How do you know North Korea has a nuclear bomb? The IAEA thinks they do, and the CIA concurs. That's good enough for me. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 12:16:41 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Kenneth Loafman wrote: > > > > Since when did we give up our First Amendment rights? > > When you're an invited guest at an event that says "no demonstrations > allowed". You can't yell fire in a theater either, you know. There's a federal court decision that says the "no demonstrations" rule is unconstitutional. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 12:22:55 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > Also, a Congressman's wife was asked to leave for wearing a T shirt > that supported the troops. She left peaceably on her own. Not before calling the cops "idiots." They didn't ask Sheehan to leave, they just busted her. And the cops roughed her up, unlike the congressional wife. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 17:07:15 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6rq9b3-qa7.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > >> I do wish the show could have been a bit better but overall it was >> rather interesting. And even more interesting because it would never >> ever ever ever ever be shown on a broadcast channel in the US. > > Ain't that the truth. Maybe PBS will show it. Was it co-funded with a PBS > station? Failing them, perhaps HBO. > > I was just reading about it here, sounds fascinating. > > http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/can_you_believe_it/debates/roo > tofevil.html You could try bittorrent like they suggest http://www.panopticist.com/archives/183.html I've been happily been watching Arrested Development that way. From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 12:39:01 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 12:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:22:55 -0500, you wrote: >In article , > Frank Tabor wrote: > >> Also, a Congressman's wife was asked to leave for wearing a T shirt >> that supported the troops. She left peaceably on her own. > >Not before calling the cops "idiots." > >They didn't ask Sheehan to leave, they just busted her. And the cops roughed her >up, unlike the congressional wife. Where did you read that? I read that she refused to acknowledge them telling her to cover up. After refusing to comply, they carried her out. I'm sure that they began pummeling her with their nightsticks on the floor of the House of Representatives, in front of all those cameras. Sure she got hurt a little. They had to drag her, since she refused to comply. Every person ever arrested is not guilty and got roughed up. Ask them, they'll be glad to tell you. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Feb 2 19:25:41 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Feb 2 13:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:18:01 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> In most places it's only mandatory if you don't own the car outright, the bank >> insists that you must insure their property. You can choose to carry liability, but >> not collision if your car is old and isn't worth fixing when there's an accident, but >> some people drive junks and don't pay for insurance, and take the risk of having >> their asses sued off and losing everything they own and/or jail if they hit someone >> and/or hurt someone. > > Besides, also having a valid drivers license or not driving drunk or > lots of other things are mandatory but lots of people still do it. True, but over here, driving without vehicle insurance - whether you own the vehicle outright or not - is an offence. -- Steve "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." --- Ernst Jan Plugge From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Feb 2 11:30:11 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: <6rq9b3-qa7.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > news:6rq9b3-qa7.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org: > > > >>You could try bittorrent like they suggest >>http://www.panopticist.com/archives/183.html >> >>I've been happily been watching Arrested Development that way. >> > > > don't you have to install software for bittorrent and isn't it sorta > illegal? Yes and no. :) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 14:44:15 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Thu Feb 2 14:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: get a load of this References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975E7509BE095spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4673404.stm > > click where it says 'enlarge image' YUCK...way too gaudy for me. I imagine it must be a pain to dust in all those nooks and crannies too. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 15:18:46 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 15:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" < | > > | > > Since when did we give up our First Amendment rights? | > | > When you're an invited guest at an event that says "no demonstrations | > allowed". You can't yell fire in a theater either, you know. | | There's a federal court decision that says the "no demonstrations" rule is | unconstitutional. Just read in one of the local papers (no I don't have a cite or a site) that someone as quietly (no debate) inserted a clause in the Patriot Act that makes it illegal to protest a presidential speech (there's more but that the jest) From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 15:20:54 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 15:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | > | >> Also, a Congressman's wife was asked to leave for wearing a T shirt | >> that supported the troops. She left peaceably on her own. | > | >Not before calling the cops "idiots." | > | >They didn't ask Sheehan to leave, they just busted her. And the cops roughed her | >up, unlike the congressional wife. | | Where did you read that? I read that she refused to acknowledge them | telling her to cover up. After refusing to comply, they carried her | out. | | I'm sure that they began pummeling her with their nightsticks on the | floor of the House of Representatives, in front of all those cameras. | | Sure she got hurt a little. They had to drag her, since she refused | to comply. Every person ever arrested is not guilty and got roughed | up. Ask them, they'll be glad to tell you. Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the Patriot Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot Act. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 21:03:56 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "D.F. Manno" < > | > > > | > > Since when did we give up our First Amendment rights? > | > > | > When you're an invited guest at an event that says "no demonstrations > | > allowed". You can't yell fire in a theater either, you know. > | > | There's a federal court decision that says the "no demonstrations" rule is > | unconstitutional. > > Just read in one of the local papers (no I don't have a cite or a site) that > someone as quietly (no debate) inserted a clause in the Patriot Act that > makes it illegal to protest a presidential speech (there's more but that the > jest) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/12/AR2005121201448.html I don't know anything about Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse, so I can't vouch for them: http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/5579182.html From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:02:35 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" | > She left peaceably on her own. | | She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away | with more than normal people. I wonder if Congressional immunity extends to family members? While we're on that subject, what could they do to a Congresscriter if they showed up with a controversial T-shit (sic) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 21:17:53 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: <6rq9b3-qa7.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> don't you have to install software for bittorrent and isn't it sorta >> illegal? > > Yes and no. :) How could you run much of anything without installing it? Azureus is a Java program and I suppose you could run it directly from the jar file without using their installer, but I haven't found anything wrong with it. And you could violate somebody's copyright, which is a civil matter not criminal, but the software itself isn't illegal. I suppose I'm not playing by the rules by watching a few tv shows, but if somebody here wants to pick up Arrested Development, I'll gladly watch it that way too. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Feb 2 21:21:49 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > She left peaceably on her own. > | > | She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away > | with more than normal people. > > I wonder if Congressional immunity extends to family members? > > While we're on that subject, what could they do to a Congresscriter if they > showed up with a controversial T-shit (sic) I would guess the whip for the person's party would make their life miserable until they toed the line. Or they would find some sort of ethics rule or something else to pursue. From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:33:15 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:20:54 -0500, you wrote: >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the Patriot >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot Act. No, not saying that at all. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:39:19 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" wrote in message news:7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com... > > Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers > and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest > and forcibly remove her. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1567217 On ABC's "Good Morning America," Sheehan described what happened: "This man was yelling at me, 'Protester, you have to get out of here,'" she said. "They grabbed me out of my seat and put my arms behind me and rushed me out and handcuffed me. I thought that was a little excessive for wearing a T-shirt." From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:47:53 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: <9fv4u1t6d1ugrch2pbnslab3nc5e4f08dd@4ax.com> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:39:19 -0500, you wrote: > >"Frank Tabor" wrote in message >news:7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com... >> >> Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers >> and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest >> and forcibly remove her. > >http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1567217 >On ABC's "Good Morning America," Sheehan described what happened: "This man was >yelling at me, 'Protester, you have to get out of here,'" she said. "They grabbed me >out of my seat and put my arms behind me and rushed me out and handcuffed me. I >thought that was a little excessive for wearing a T-shirt." > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FG23S8G.html Gives a little bit different account. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:50:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: When I am in a /public place/ (And I can't think of > anywhere that should be more public than the legislature) I can wear > whatever I want. It ain't a "public" place, whether you want it to be or not. A person cannot simply wander in off the streets and walk into the chambers of Congress. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:45:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:55:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | | >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the Patriot | >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot Act. | | No, not saying that at all. Comes across that way. FWIW I have a lot of respect for law enforcement but have enough experience to know, personally of the abuses. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:49:46 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 2 16:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >> She left peaceably on her own. | > | > She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away | >with more than normal people. | | Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers | and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest | and forcibly remove her. Based on the reports of other similar events I have a very jaundice view of that being a real option for Sheehan. Recall the physician in Mississippi that repeated the VPs admonition toward auto-intercourse. Not only was he roughed up (off camera) but was later visited and detained for 30-45 min by unidentified federal officers dressed in black. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:55:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Redstone wrote: > > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- > > > > > North Korea hasn't had to use theirs. > > > > How do you know North Korea has a nuclear bomb? > > The IAEA thinks they do, and the CIA concurs. That's good enough for > me. I think they have 8 of them, IIRC....or at least had enough enriched uranium to build 8..... From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:57:04 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:00:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:45:57 -0500, you wrote: > >"Frank Tabor" >| >| >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the >Patriot >| >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot Act. >| >| No, not saying that at all. > >Comes across that way. FWIW I have a lot of respect for law enforcement but >have enough experience to know, personally of the abuses. > One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. It's a trend I've noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 16:55:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <9fv4u1t6d1ugrch2pbnslab3nc5e4f08dd@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" wrote in message news:9fv4u1t6d1ugrch2pbnslab3nc5e4f08dd@4ax.com... >> >http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1567217 > >On ABC's "Good Morning America," Sheehan described what happened: "This man was > >yelling at me, 'Protester, you have to get out of here,'" she said. "They grabbed me > >out of my seat and put my arms behind me and rushed me out and handcuffed me. I > >thought that was a little excessive for wearing a T-shirt." > > > > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FG23S8G.html > Gives a little bit different account. "Police warned her that such displays were not allowed,", how's that, by yelling "Protester, you have to get out of here". And oh, by the way, they were wrong. From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 16:58:57 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: <8205u11dccu7k0eo1ddjisuq32j294sjal@4ax.com> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0500, you wrote: >"Frank Tabor" > >| >> She left peaceably on her own. >| > >| > She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away >| >with more than normal people. >| >| Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers >| and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest >| and forcibly remove her. > >Based on the reports of other similar events I have a very jaundice view of >that being a real option for Sheehan. > >Recall the physician in Mississippi that repeated the VPs admonition toward >auto-intercourse. Not only was he roughed up (off camera) but was later >visited and detained for 30-45 min by unidentified federal officers dressed >in black. > Folks here may not believe it, but I'd be willing to bet that the two low level officers that arrested her didn't even know who she was until after she was arrested. I wouldn't know her if I saw her on the street. -- Frank Tabor From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 17:00:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > Well, seeing as the NSA is a mere 5 minute drive from my > > house.....and only 15 minutes from Baltimore... > > Ah, not for much longer, or so they say. They're hiring 7,500 people > to work in San Antonio... Wages are lower, rents are lower... They > may just do away with the beltway other than for the political bits... Nope. They're moving 6,000 new jobs to Ft. Meade in this latest round of base closings. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 2 17:21:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? Message-ID: I'm back on that frigging antibiotic flagyl again, had a monster attack of symptoms in the last few days (muscle and joint pain, knees hurt so badly I could barely climb the stairs at work). Could barely get out of bed this morning, in fact didn't, until noon. I thought I had this thing licked, I had been having mild symptoms lately and installed a filter on my icemaker (the water in my county has always made me sick to my stomach, I only drink bottled water at home). So after the filter was installed almost all of my mild symptoms disappeared. But I ate breakfast at a local place over the weekend, drank tap water. So now I'm back to square one fighting this problem (which we never figured out in the first place). Obviously there is something in the local water that my body can't handle, and seeing that flagyl relieves the symptoms I'm guessing it has to be some kind of parasite as opposed to a chemical such as flouride or chlorine. How do I take samples of my water and have it tested? Who does this sort of thing? Should I complain to the country water/sewer folks and ask them to test it for me? This sucks, man......I'm going to have to pay ridiculous prices for bottled water everywhere I eat from now on, it looks like...... From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 17:34:17 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 17:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > > > IKEA thinks they do, and the CIA concurs. That's good enough for me. > > Yeah, well, and el shrubbo and the CIA, you know, they just make stuff up > as they go along. As for IKEA, they don't know nuthin' 'bout none of that! Don't fuck with my quotes. In my line of work that's a firing offense. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Thu Feb 2 17:20:54 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Thu Feb 2 18:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: get a load of this References: Message-ID: Eponym did pass the time by typing: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote ... >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4673404.stm >> >> click where it says 'enlarge image' > > YUCK...way too gaudy for me. I imagine it must be a pain to dust in all > those nooks and crannies too. Items of that type belong in LARGE areas. That looks like a well arranged antique store to me. -- DougW From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 19:38:39 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 19:40:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > > > Don't fuck with my quotes. In my line of work that's a firing offense. > > Luckily we're on the 'net and in a group that is designed for thinking > outside of the box, eh? And we're all good pals, even the fascists pigs, > and get along so well. And we're all on the same page. Mostly. Only it's > been edited by different authors and all. Or whatever. Don't get cute. It's wrong and it's sleazy. It's putting words in someone's mouth. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 19:40:56 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 19:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Republicans just can't help stealing... Message-ID: Elections, that is. From Roll Call: > Election Update: Do-Over on First Ballot > > By Ben Pershing > Roll Call Staff > > Thursday, Feb. 2 > > House Republicans are taking a mulligan on the first ballot for Majority > Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present at > the Conference meeting. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 17:29:43 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975E54E33995Fspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > What does 4 years sound like then? Worse? I don't know.. What's your point? From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 17:31:36 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's not only on this side of the pond References: Message-ID: Well, *I* certainly wouldn't want to be held even 14 days.. But considering the nature of what they're dealing with I can understand why they'd want to lengthen it. Chris "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:k0b9b3-eiu.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > Yeah, you are right. I looked it up later. They wanted to make it 90 days. > It was at 14 days at the time and they compromised on 28 days. From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 17:34:46 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ne99b3-eqt.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > So, how exactly is the No Child Left Behind mess a step in that direction. It > is a maze of unfunded mandates from the Federal level pulling even more > control away from the local level. Not to mention that the mess that an > unnecessary war and tax cuts have left with budgets, forcing local communities > to find ways to fund that with shrinking levels of Federal funding. It isn't. I'd dump that in a heart beat. NCLB means no child gets ahead. Also, Unfunded mandates are a really bad idea regardless. Chris From cfw at prodigy.net Thu Feb 2 17:35:59 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975E54D47CDCFspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > Yes indeed, spending far too much but not on things like education. I don't know what the percentage of the federal budget is education. However, I DO know that over 50% of the CA state budget goes to education. And the unions are crying that's not enough. Heh. Chris From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 01:38:00 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Feb 2 20:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frank Tabor wrote in news:klb5u15ml8pnlu4c16g4vaqn5h2i03rmra@4ax.com: > You and her You need to trim better... >From your post, it appears you're responding to yourself. Not good, specially when you're going off on someone. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 21:59:17 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 22:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > > > Don't get cute. It's wrong and it's sleazy. It's putting words in > > someone's mouth. > > Sorry, not going to agree with you, there. This isn't pro journalism - > it's a random newsgroup. You were among those objecting when the trolls said things that were not true. Now you're doing it, and you're saying it's OK. With the trolls, we called that hypocrisy. What shall we call it when you do it? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 22:52:21 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 22:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:22:55 -0500, you wrote: > > >They didn't ask Sheehan to leave, they just busted her. And the cops roughed > >her up, unlike the congressional wife. > > Where did you read that? Sheehan's statement is on DailyKos: And before you ask, yes, I believe Sheehan instead of the cops. Cops lie. > I read that she refused to acknowledge them > telling her to cover up. After refusing to comply, they carried her > out. Where did you read that, the Moonie Times? The cops never asked her to do anything. As soon as they saw her shirt, they dragged her out of the chamber. > I'm sure that they began pummeling her with their nightsticks on the > floor of the House of Representatives, in front of all those cameras. > > Sure she got hurt a little. They had to drag her, since she refused > to comply. Every person ever arrested is not guilty and got roughed > up. Ask them, they'll be glad to tell you. You've forgotten about the presumption of innocence. How convenient. Regardless of guilt or innocence, cops don't have the right to rough up anybody who hasn't used force against them. And I'm sure that Sheehan began pummeling the cops on the floor of the House of Representatives, in front of all those cameras. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 22:55:25 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 23:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more > likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. You mean "the more guily I think the party is," right? > It's a trend I've > noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. 1) Cops lie. 2) Cops in major cities tend to be badge-heavy. 3) Local news sucks. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Feb 2 22:59:34 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Feb 2 23:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <9fv4u1t6d1ugrch2pbnslab3nc5e4f08dd@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article <9fv4u1t6d1ugrch2pbnslab3nc5e4f08dd@4ax.com>, Frank Tabor wrote: > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FG23S8G.html > Gives a little bit different account. Of course it does. It's a wingnut blog brought to you by Drudge's silent partner. Try again. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 23:47:57 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 23:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:55:25 -0500, you wrote: >In article , > Frank Tabor wrote: > >> One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more >> likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. > >You mean "the more guily I think the party is," right? I said what I meant. You're bitching up thread about someone changing your words, don't change mine. > >> It's a trend I've >> noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. > >1) Cops lie. >2) Cops in major cities tend to be badge-heavy. >3) Local news sucks. -- Frank Tabor From ftabor at gmail.com Thu Feb 2 23:52:33 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Thu Feb 2 23:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:38:00 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: >Frank Tabor wrote in >news:klb5u15ml8pnlu4c16g4vaqn5h2i03rmra@4ax.com: > >> You and her > >You need to trim better... > >From your post, it appears you're responding to yourself. >Not good, specially when you're going off on someone. I'm responding to David Dean, and his message id is ggv4u196eatjusvfdkdgtcpcbva1h4ki42@4ax.com -- Frank Tabor From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 04:58:30 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frank Tabor wrote in news:mbo5u19f3745o5qk14fvsie48o8oodqtgf@4ax.com: > On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:38:00 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: > >>Frank Tabor wrote in >>news:klb5u15ml8pnlu4c16g4vaqn5h2i03rmra@4ax.com: >> >>> You and her >> >>You need to trim better... >> >>From your post, it appears you're responding to yourself. >>Not good, specially when you're going off on someone. > > I'm responding to David Dean, and his message id is > ggv4u196eatjusvfdkdgtcpcbva1h4ki42@4ax.com Then trim properly. As you can see with this post, YOUR name is the first. When you post, you delete the name of who you are responding to, which makes it extremely difficult for others. Unless that's what you're trying to do. From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:22:06 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 04:58:30 +0000 (UTC) JohnL wrote in article : >Frank Tabor wrote in >news:mbo5u19f3745o5qk14fvsie48o8oodqtgf@4ax.com: > >> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:38:00 +0000 (UTC), you wrote: >> >>>Frank Tabor wrote in >>>news:klb5u15ml8pnlu4c16g4vaqn5h2i03rmra@4ax.com: >>> >>>> You and her >>> >>>You need to trim better... >>> >>>From your post, it appears you're responding to yourself. >>>Not good, specially when you're going off on someone. >> >> I'm responding to David Dean, and his message id is >> ggv4u196eatjusvfdkdgtcpcbva1h4ki42@4ax.com > >Then trim properly. >As you can see with this post, YOUR name is the first. >When you post, you delete the name of who you are responding to, which >makes it extremely difficult for others. Unless that's what you're trying >to do. Yes, I know how to make attributes. It appears that someone else may have trimmed an attribute. Mine were saying "You wrote.." before this message. I have changed the intro as you ca see above. I'm getting confused about the order of the messages, because there is at least one attribute missing. No, I never trim attributes. I'll have to follow the reference ids to see who did, but it wasn't I. -- Frank Tabor From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 05:25:27 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frank Tabor wrote in news:gop5u15t5d0h6lk1q4qt2rktvkm8kpkd0o@4ax.com: > Yes, I know how to make attributes. It appears that someone else may > have trimmed an attribute. Mine were saying "You wrote.." before this > message. I have changed the intro as you ca see above. > > I'm getting confused about the order of the messages, because there is > at least one attribute missing. > > No, I never trim attributes. I'll have to follow the reference ids to > see who did, but it wasn't I. Something strange is there. Up until this post, not one that I can remember today has shown who you were responding to. Your's were saying "You wrote" , but didn't say who "You" was. ;-) From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:29:23 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:30:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:25:27 +0000 (UTC) JohnL wrote in article : >Frank Tabor wrote in >news:gop5u15t5d0h6lk1q4qt2rktvkm8kpkd0o@4ax.com: > >> Yes, I know how to make attributes. It appears that someone else may >> have trimmed an attribute. Mine were saying "You wrote.." before this >> message. I have changed the intro as you ca see above. >> >> I'm getting confused about the order of the messages, because there is >> at least one attribute missing. >> >> No, I never trim attributes. I'll have to follow the reference ids to >> see who did, but it wasn't I. > >Something strange is there. >Up until this post, not one that I can remember today has shown who you >were responding to. > >Your's were saying "You wrote" , but didn't say who "You" was. ;-) That's correct. First paragraph, >>Mine were saying "You wrote.." before this >> message. I have changed the intro as you can see above. I changed it because I can see how confusing it is, and how someone may trim it as part of the post. -- Frank Tabor From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:18:36 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Republicans just can't help stealing... References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | Elections, that is. From Roll Call: | | > Election Update: Do-Over on First Ballot | > | > By Ben Pershing | > Roll Call Staff | > | > Thursday, Feb. 2 | > | > House Republicans are taking a mulligan on the first ballot for Majority | > Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present at | > the Conference meeting. | | The re-vote will be in Florida? From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:28:29 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >> If you're calling me a liar then fuck you. I haven't omitted anything | >> and have posted references to exactly what I've said. | > | >Feel the love. You have conveniently omitted links and information to suit | >your own purposes. It is true that the links that you've posted do not | >indicate impropriety on the part of the law. This is surely by design. | >You don't like the sites that other people quote because they don't support | >your POV. That does not make them any less valid. And you know what? | >This might come as a surprise to you, but the law does not appear to be | >telling the whole story. In fact, the law's story just sounds like a | >report written by a cop to give to his boss - neglecting all of the | >details. Little details, surely. | > | >Mwa! (That's a big kiss for you, bra! Feel the love!) | | I post the links that I find. I read the links you post. Your links | are not convincing to me. I have seen too many links, some from some | pretty neutral sources that say that when she was asked to leave, she | refused. I recall that several students at Kent State were 'asked' to leave as well. That 'request' was illegal but they died for the exercise. I had several friends who wore long hair and got their heads cracked by the Chicago Cops. They were right in what they were doing both by the Constitution and by virtue of earning that right the hard way. Still got their head cracked by cops who were complacent in their 'enforcement' of a politicians prohibition of Free Speech. I wonder if the Capital Cops also wore black tape over their badge numbers. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 05:37:19 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frank Tabor wrote in news:teq5u1502harc44b96uitq18io19283j2k@4ax.com: > I changed it because I can see how confusing it is, and how someone > may trim it as part of the post. Thanks, makes my life a little easier. ;-) From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:32:07 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8205u11dccu7k0eo1ddjisuq32j294sjal@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >| >> She left peaceably on her own. | >| > | >| > She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away | >| >with more than normal people. | >| | >| Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers | >| and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest | >| and forcibly remove her. | > | >Based on the reports of other similar events I have a very jaundice view of | >that being a real option for Sheehan. | > | >Recall the physician in Mississippi that repeated the VPs admonition toward | >auto-intercourse. Not only was he roughed up (off camera) but was later | >visited and detained for 30-45 min by unidentified federal officers dressed | >in black. | > | | Folks here may not believe it, but I'd be willing to bet that the two | low level officers that arrested her didn't even know who she was | until after she was arrested. | | I wouldn't know her if I saw her on the street. Let's see, she had a ticket, which was registered (you don't get in the door or passed security without ID) and an assigned seat. No there was not way they could know who she was. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:33:36 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:40:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >| >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the | >Patriot | >| >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot Act. | >| | >| No, not saying that at all. | > | >Comes across that way. FWIW I have a lot of respect for law enforcement but | >have enough experience to know, personally of the abuses. | | One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more | likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. It's a trend I've | noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. And you're able to discurn this from what's on Channle 4? From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:40:22 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:28:29 -0500 "Frog Prince" wrote in article : >"Frank Tabor" > >| >> If you're calling me a liar then fuck you. I haven't omitted anything >| >> and have posted references to exactly what I've said. >| > >| >Feel the love. You have conveniently omitted links and information to >suit >| >your own purposes. It is true that the links that you've posted do not >| >indicate impropriety on the part of the law. This is surely by design. >| >You don't like the sites that other people quote because they don't >support >| >your POV. That does not make them any less valid. And you know what? >| >This might come as a surprise to you, but the law does not appear to be >| >telling the whole story. In fact, the law's story just sounds like a >| >report written by a cop to give to his boss - neglecting all of the >| >details. Little details, surely. >| > >| >Mwa! (That's a big kiss for you, bra! Feel the love!) >| >| I post the links that I find. I read the links you post. Your links >| are not convincing to me. I have seen too many links, some from some >| pretty neutral sources that say that when she was asked to leave, she >| refused. > >I recall that several students at Kent State were 'asked' to leave as well. >That 'request' was illegal but they died for the exercise. > >I had several friends who wore long hair and got their heads cracked by the >Chicago Cops. They were right in what they were doing both by the >Constitution and by virtue of earning that right the hard way. Still got >their head cracked by cops who were complacent in their 'enforcement' of a >politicians prohibition of Free Speech. > >I wonder if the Capital Cops also wore black tape over their badge numbers. > You are doing a real disservice by deleting the attributes. I never posted all of that. There was another poster in there that I responded to. No one seems to admit that the Capitol Police also removed the wife of a staunch Republican for wearing a T shirt with a Pro Troop logo. Does that smack of partisanism? The Chief of Police admitted that the officers were wrong and were working under the assumption that an old regulation was still in affect. -- Frank Tabor From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:47:24 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: <6ir5u1d2qmem0fr51vra87l72lgb0a9rfe@4ax.com> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:33:36 -0500 "Frog Prince" wrote in article : >"Frank Tabor" > >| >| >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the >| >Patriot >| >| >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot >Act. >| >| >| >| No, not saying that at all. >| > >| >Comes across that way. FWIW I have a lot of respect for law enforcement >but >| >have enough experience to know, personally of the abuses. >| >| One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more >| likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. It's a trend I've >| noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. > >And you're able to discurn this from what's on Channle 4? > Four TV stations in three of the four cities. -- Frank Tabor From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 00:52:38 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 00:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8205u11dccu7k0eo1ddjisuq32j294sjal@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:32:07 -0500 "Frog Prince" wrote in article : > >"Frank Tabor" > >| >| >> She left peaceably on her own. >| >| > >| >| > She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away >| >| >with more than normal people. >| >| >| >| Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers >| >| and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest >| >| and forcibly remove her. >| > >| >Based on the reports of other similar events I have a very jaundice view >of >| >that being a real option for Sheehan. >| > >| >Recall the physician in Mississippi that repeated the VPs admonition >toward >| >auto-intercourse. Not only was he roughed up (off camera) but was later >| >visited and detained for 30-45 min by unidentified federal officers >dressed >| >in black. >| > >| >| Folks here may not believe it, but I'd be willing to bet that the two >| low level officers that arrested her didn't even know who she was >| until after she was arrested. >| >| I wouldn't know her if I saw her on the street. > >Let's see, she had a ticket, which was registered (you don't get in the door >or passed security without ID) and an assigned seat. No there was not way >they could know who she was. > The ticket was in the name of the Congressman/woman who gave it to here. Why should a ticket taker know the name of every single person that had a ticket. His job was to verify the ticket was legit, not to identify the holder. Even if she showed ID, would the name really ring a bell to a mindless drone checking tickets. So what if the ticket taker did catch the name. The Capitol Police didn't make any move until she took off her jacket. They told her that she couldn't display the T Shirt, and she failed to respond. I cannot see how there was any conspiracy to harass and arrest her. After all, they made a Republican congressman's wife leave for the same thing, and her shirt supported bush and the troops. -- Frank Tabor From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:55:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | | No one seems to admit that the Capitol Police also removed the wife of | a staunch Republican for wearing a T shirt with a Pro Troop logo. Does | that smack of partisanism? | | The Chief of Police admitted that the officers were wrong and were | working under the assumption that an old regulation was still in | affect. And the slapped her in cuffs and hauled her to the 'station' as well. Smacks strongly of unequal treatment. Especially since Congressmen's wives have the benefit of staff who's job it is to address (read coach/cover up) congress wives in what to be avoided less there be an unfortunate incident. Very convient that we have such incompetent police and more so a Chief of Police that failed to see that his troops were not better informed on such a critical issue. Or to take action to stop the abusive process when it became apparent that the bust was illegal. I've seen sharper troops and better management from the Mississippi Legislature's Sergeant at Arms in the '60s at least when they cracked heads they knew exactly what they were doing. FWIW they had their stories straight from the get go. From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 01:04:12 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:55:21 -0500 "Frog Prince" wrote in article : >"Frank Tabor" >| >| No one seems to admit that the Capitol Police also removed the wife of >| a staunch Republican for wearing a T shirt with a Pro Troop logo. Does >| that smack of partisanism? >| >| The Chief of Police admitted that the officers were wrong and were >| working under the assumption that an old regulation was still in >| affect. > >And the slapped her in cuffs and hauled her to the 'station' as well. >Smacks strongly of unequal treatment. Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police instructions and the Congressman's wife willingly got up and left, do you? There is a hell of a big difference there. The congressman's wife did her arguing outside. > >Especially since Congressmen's wives have the benefit of staff who's job it >is to address (read coach/cover up) congress wives in what to be avoided >less there be an unfortunate incident. > >Very convient that we have such incompetent police and more so a Chief of >Police that failed to see that his troops were not better informed on such a >critical issue. Or to take action to stop the abusive process when it became >apparent that the bust was illegal. > >I've seen sharper troops and better management from the Mississippi >Legislature's Sergeant at Arms in the '60s at least when they cracked heads >they knew exactly what they were doing. FWIW they had their stories >straight from the get go. > > I'd trust the Capitol Police a hell of a lot further than I would some your police. Especially the one's in Greensboro who were conveniently absent when the KKK attacked a peaceful race protest and killed several folks. -- Frank Tabor From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 00:59:10 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <6ir5u1d2qmem0fr51vra87l72lgb0a9rfe@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | > | >| >| >Are you saying that everyone arrested IS guilty? Is that part of the | >| >Patriot | >| >| >Act ... presumption of guilt? what am i saying this is the Patriot | >Act. | >| >| | >| >| No, not saying that at all. | >| > | >| >Comes across that way. FWIW I have a lot of respect for law enforcement | >but | >| >have enough experience to know, personally of the abuses. | >| | >| One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more | >| likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. It's a trend I've | >| noticed from watching the local news which covers 4 major cities. | > | >And you're able to discern this from what's on Channel 4? | > | | Four TV stations in three of the four cities. Same point, quantity of information is not a substitute for valid information. How many times do you think we say Nixon make the statement "I am not a crook". As for me I had my doubts from the first time, multiple reiterations did not change the facts. But back them perhaps WeThePeople were not so gullible. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 01:07:18 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8205u11dccu7k0eo1ddjisuq32j294sjal@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | > | >| >| >> She left peaceably on her own. | >| >| > | >| >| > She was /allowed/ to leave. Congressman's wives appear to get away | >| >| >with more than normal people. | >| >| | >| >| Sheehan had the same chance to leave. She ignored the police officers | >| >| and their instructions, until they had no other choice but to arrest | >| >| and forcibly remove her. | >| > | >| >Based on the reports of other similar events I have a very jaundice view | >of | >| >that being a real option for Sheehan. | >| > | >| >Recall the physician in Mississippi that repeated the VPs admonition | >toward | >| >auto-intercourse. Not only was he roughed up (off camera) but was later | >| >visited and detained for 30-45 min by unidentified federal officers | >dressed | >| >in black. | >| > | >| | >| Folks here may not believe it, but I'd be willing to bet that the two | >| low level officers that arrested her didn't even know who she was | >| until after she was arrested. | >| | >| I wouldn't know her if I saw her on the street. | > | >Let's see, she had a ticket, which was registered (you don't get in the door | >or passed security without ID) and an assigned seat. No there was not way | >they could know who she was. | > | | The ticket was in the name of the Congressman/woman who gave it to | here. Why should a ticket taker know the name of every single person | that had a ticket. His job was to verify the ticket was legit, not to | identify the holder. This is HomeLand Security and the SS, man, they keep an eye on John Hinkly don't you think (rather should EXPECT) they would keep an eye on someone so prominent as Sheehan. | | Even if she showed ID, would the name really ring a bell to a mindless | drone checking tickets. | | So what if the ticket taker did catch the name. The Capitol Police | didn't make any move until she took off her jacket. They told her | that she couldn't display the T Shirt, and she failed to respond. | | I cannot see how there was any conspiracy to harass and arrest her. | After all, they made a Republican congressman's wife leave for the | same thing, and her shirt supported bush and the troops. See previous post on that but regardless the Republican Congresscriter's wife was treated in a demonstratively different manner. Think Louisiana and Mississippi and perhaps Florida with regard to Katrina, Both Florida and Mississippi have received much much more favorable treatment from the Republican Administration than Louisiana. Do you think there might just possibly be some connection to the fact that both Florida and Mississippi have Republican Governors and Louisiana has a Democrat governor. Perhaps I should mention that Texas is likewise doing better then Louisiana in that regard. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 01:16:35 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" | >| No one seems to admit that the Capitol Police also removed the wife of | >| a staunch Republican for wearing a T shirt with a Pro Troop logo. Does | >| that smack of partisanism? | >| | >| The Chief of Police admitted that the officers were wrong and were | >| working under the assumption that an old regulation was still in | >| affect. | > | >And the slapped her in cuffs and hauled her to the 'station' as well. | >Smacks strongly of unequal treatment. | | Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police | instructions and the Congressman's wife willingly got up and left, do | you? There is a hell of a big difference there. The congressman's | wife did her arguing outside. | > | >Especially since Congressmen's wives have the benefit of staff who's job it | >is to address (read coach/cover up) congress wives in what to be avoided | >less there be an unfortunate incident. | > | >Very convenient that we have such incompetent police and more so a Chief of | >Police that failed to see that his troops were not better informed on such a | >critical issue. Or to take action to stop the abusive process when it became | >apparent that the bust was illegal. | > | >I've seen sharper troops and better management from the Mississippi | >Legislature's Sergeant at Arms in the '60s at least when they cracked heads | >they knew exactly what they were doing. FWIW they had their stories | >straight from the get go. | I'd trust the Capitol Police a hell of a lot further than I would some | your police. Especially the one's in Greensboro who were conveniently | absent when the KKK attacked a peaceful race protest and killed | several folks. They are not MY police. I only pointed out that they were apparently a bit better trained and informed (i.e. coached) than what we have in DC. (We should be afraid, very afraid of that eventuality) I no longer trust any Federal Police be they FBI/CIA/DEA/Federal Marshals or whatever alphabet soup they may have stenciled on the caps for the very reason that they are no longer accountable to the courts much less WeThePeople. I'm leery of local cops for the extent of the abuse I've, personally, observed especially when they get their direction and roll models from the FEDs. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 06:54:13 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 01:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast In-Reply-To: References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Frank Tabor wrote in > news:klb5u15ml8pnlu4c16g4vaqn5h2i03rmra@4ax.com: > >> You and her > > You need to trim better... > >>From your post, it appears you're responding to yourself. > Not good, specially when you're going off on someone. Well, I find it annoying that I've had him killfiled for a long time. Maybe I need to add a body text search for his name in replies so that I don't have to see this crap until everybody gets tired of feeding him again. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 2 22:58:38 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 3 02:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > Cool pictures. Sorry to hear about your car. I'm going to make sure > you take me out for some of that shooty goodness next time we meet up. Sounds good to me. Let me know when you'll be in town next, and I'll see if I can schedule something better. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 2 23:01:57 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 3 02:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: In article , Redstone wrote: > There are just WAY too many of these people out on the roads in this > state. > > Hmmm... a 94 Caddy and this guy has no insurance? I sense something more > wrong with this picture. Ain't that the truth? This looked like a "bling" car that one would have to show off to one's peers. Lowered, nice rims, lots of shiny chrome bits, etc. Probably didn't have any money for insurance. It wasn't your grandma's Caddy, that's for sure. > Which is very annoying to say the least. Maybe you should get a truck? Eh, tempting, but I'm really much more of a sedan type of guy. Four seats allow for good interior storage, can carry friends around, etc. That, and the secured trunk is a mandatory thing for my Go-Boom hardware. > Do what I do.. stay away from the urban areas. Drive along Niles-Canyon > Road, Rte 92, or Rte 17... those without insurance tend end up in the > ravine rather than broadsiding you. This happened to be in a very rural area, I just pulled off to pee, get food, and get a car charger because the GPS said there was a Cingular store right nearby. The rural areas are the worst, in my view, as you get a lot of migrant workers, illegal immigrants, and low-income people who can't pay for even really cheap car insurance. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 2 23:08:42 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 3 02:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: In article , Steven Maesslein wrote: > Is car insurance not mandatory in your neck of the woods? It is, but as Syl said, it's trivially easy to get el-cheapo car insurance for a month, register your car, and drop the insurance...or just steal registration stickers so you don't need to bother with that hassle. I pay a fair amount (about $650 every six months) for insurance from 21st Century -- full coverage, rental car coverage, 23 year old white male, etc. They've been really helpful, and things have gone far smoother than expected with them. Basic paperwork and some DMV forms, and that's it. After all that time in the army, I'm surprised it went this smoothly. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Feb 3 10:53:03 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Feb 3 05:55:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in news:ipb9b3-q1v.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org: > > Is that really easier or possible? Hauling in a huge package that > probably sets off gieger counters from a hostile country. As often as > the post office loses packages, you really want to trust delivery of > something that valuable to some sort of shipping company? > Indeed it is possible and it is a major concern for the Department of Homeland Security. These bombs can be made quite compact. (The now-retired W-71 warhead weighes a little more than a volkswagen bug and has the explosive yield of 5 megatons.) Normal geigercounters may not work since the bomb is likely to be heavily shielded. However there is work on a special detector that can detect the minute neutron emissions of the nuclear material that do penetrate the shielding. As for the delivery, all you need to do is to get it into the port. > > But it is a deterrent in the same way that mutually assured > destruction in nuclear war is a deterrent. It would be completely mad > and stupid but look at how close we came during the Cuban Missile > Crisis, and probably in plenty of other instances since then. I don't > see the goal in surviving a long term siege, but in making the threat > of retribution too costly to consider attacking them. Remember, > military doctrine currently favors going in with overwhelming force > and minimizing our losses. We would rather not have them fight back. > Going in with an air war at the beginning would probably allow them > plenty of time to destroy parts of South Korea. Thats the thing. Seoul is so close to the boundary that it would be easy for North Korea to pound it with artillery shells. The US would rather wait and have North Korea's government tank under its own ills rather than go through a military confrontation. Kim Jung Il understands very well that communism as a form of government is a failed experiment. It simply does not support an economy. Yet he still takes a firm hand in maintaining it. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:19:46 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Feb 3 06:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2-BC9859.12143902022006@news.cesmail.net: > > The IAEA thinks they do, and the CIA concurs. That's good enough for > me. > But there is something critical missing. Every country that has developed nuclear weapons has conducted a test of its new weapon system. (i.e. a nuclear explosion either on the surface on some test range, or underground, or submerged underwater.) Without some kind of a test conducted, there is no guarantee that their weapon system is going to work. So far the countries that have conducted tests is the US, Russia, China, France, the UK, India, Pakistan, and South Africa. (However, Israel appears to have colaborated with South Africa.) It is hard to see what kind of a workable weapon North Korea could have if they haven't tested one out. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:28:53 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Feb 3 06:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dru0lh$ek6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > This sucks, man......I'm going to have to pay ridiculous prices for > bottled water everywhere I eat from now on, it looks like...... > > Wonder if mold could be at issue here too. (I've read that some mold spores is a delayed reaction.) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 11:27:07 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 06:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in > > Indeed it is possible and it is a major concern for the Department of > Homeland Security. These bombs can be made quite compact. (The > now-retired W-71 warhead weighes a little more than a volkswagen bug and > has the explosive yield of 5 megatons.) > > Normal geigercounters may not work since the bomb is likely to be > heavily shielded. However there is work on a special detector that can > detect the minute neutron emissions of the nuclear material that do > penetrate the shielding. > > As for the delivery, all you need to do is to get it into the port. Oh, I know that US port security is an utter joke. I was specifically referring to sneaking a nuclear device into Israel. I suspect that would be a bit more difficult. I think your definition of compact is slightly different than mine. I consider compact to mean something that fits in a suitcase or a case or something, not something that weighs as much as a car. Not to say it couldn't be done, but smuggling in something that size would be complicated, not to mention you are risking losing something rather valuable if you get caught. I know there was a lot of hype about dirty bombs and stealing material and equipment from research labs, but considering the size and amount of lead shielding you need, you can protect such installations with fairly simple security measures. Nobody is going to be able to slip it into their briefcase when nobody is looking. To me, this would put a lot of this out of reach for your average joe six pack terrorist group and would require much more organization and finances, or would need to be government sponsored. > Kim Jung Il understands very well that communism as a form of government > is a failed experiment. It simply does not support an economy. Yet he > still takes a firm hand in maintaining it. You going to let the Chinese know about that? They seem to own ever increasing pieces of the US economy every year. (Not that I'm saying that I would want to live under such a system.) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 11:39:10 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 07:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00sbb3-7id.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Redstone wrote: > > But there is something critical missing. Every country that has > developed nuclear weapons has conducted a test of its new weapon system. > (i.e. a nuclear explosion either on the surface on some test range, or > underground, or submerged underwater.) Without some kind of a test > conducted, there is no guarantee that their weapon system is going to > work. > > So far the countries that have conducted tests is the US, Russia, China, > France, the UK, India, Pakistan, and South Africa. (However, Israel > appears to have colaborated with South Africa.) > > It is hard to see what kind of a workable weapon North Korea could have > if they haven't tested one out. I think North Korea is a different case. They promised they were not building weapons and have signed international agreements to not do so. By openly testing one, it would become clear rather quickly that they have broken those. I think they would seek to hide every bit of evidence that they are working on a nuclear program. Once they are reasonably confident, tested or not, they could go more public considering it is a weapon that nobody wants to use anyways. It doesn't actually need to work, just everybody has to believe that it will work. I believe that the US doesn't actually conduct many tests anymore because virtually everything now can be computer modeled and tested that way. And probably a lot of that is to study effects and plan strategy based on that. If you just want something that goes boom, you explode together a bunch of nuclear material of more than critical mass. The physics and mathematics for all of that are pretty well known by now. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Feb 3 13:45:20 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Feb 3 07:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: get a load of this References: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:20:54 -0600, DougW coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> YUCK...way too gaudy for me. I imagine it must be a pain to dust in all >> those nooks and crannies too. > > Items of that type belong in LARGE areas. That looks like a well > arranged antique store to me. And the flat panel LCD widescreen TV fits right in with the Louis XIV decor. Yep, just the ticket :) -- Steve "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Feb 3 13:47:04 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Feb 3 07:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Republicans just can't help stealing... References: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:18:36 -0500, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >| > > The re-vote will be in Florida? Who cares where it is as long as they don't actually have to count the ballots... -- Steve Some marriages are made in heaven, but they all have to be maintained on earth... From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 12:49:45 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > I took a serious discussion and made it more accessible to the group. By > changing the subject entirely and in a fashion that is readily > identifiable. This is topic drift and this group is all about topic drift. > No? Go on, tell me I'm wrong. Do it again. You are wrong. You are wrong. Hmm, if I say it a third time, does something bad happen? Next thing you know, people are going to start talking about beer or chocolate. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 08:38:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Worth a shot to ask locally. Did you ask the health dept? What did > they say??? I haven't asked anyone anything yet, I've been fighting this problem for 6 months and the doctors can't come up with a diagnosis (tests come back negative, but they're only 60-70% accurate at best). I'm just trying to put two and two together to try and tie flareups with what I've eaten/drank prior to them happening. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 08:53:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 08:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > It ain't a "public" place > > It is by definition public. "of or provided by the government" > It's FEDERAL property, not public. > > A person cannot > > simply wander in off the streets and walk into the chambers of > > Congress. > > As a matter of fact, you can. It is a guided tour, but no > reservations are required. Guided tour != wandering around on your own From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 09:38:24 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Tribute to a fallen Marine corporal and his Lakota people Message-ID: http://multimedia.rockymountainnews.com/slideshow/slideshow.cfm?type=DEFAULT&ID=012006lundstrom&NUM=1 From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 14:47:40 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Topis Drift to Beer References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns975F631A035DATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > My small beer came out, well, small. Mind you, it's only four days > old at this point but it isn't very good... Hey, got my beer kit finally. Now need to find the time to start a batch. ;-) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 09:51:53 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tribute to a fallen Marine corporal and his Lakota people References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns975F63B2E38DATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > > http://multimedia.rockymountainnews.com/slideshow/slideshow.cfm?type=DE > > FAULT&ID=012006lundstrom&NUM=1 > > Wow. That was pretty cool. ...and maddening and deeply sad. And for what? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 09:52:51 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 09:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-BA00FD.23084202022006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > > > Is car insurance not mandatory in your neck of the woods? > > It is, but as Syl said, it's trivially easy to get el-cheapo car > insurance for a month, register your car, and drop the insurance...or > just steal registration stickers so you don't need to bother with that > hassle. So not only is he liable for the damage he's caused, but is he also being prosecuted for having no insurance? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 14:55:48 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Topis Drift to Beer References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns975F63CCB7C88TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > It wasn't me! It was JohnL ! > >> Hey, got my beer kit finally. >> Now need to find the time to start a batch. ;-) > > It only takes about 2 hours to brew an extract batch (if you have a good > stove)... > Well, doing much remodeling in the home, hard to find a place to work on it. Heck, hard enough to find a place to cook at times, but things are getting better now. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Feb 3 14:57:31 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tribute to a fallen Marine corporal and his Lakota people References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:drvqq0$jci$1 @news.spamcop.net: > ...and maddening and deeply sad. And for what? I used to ask that question over thirty years ago. (unreal, it's been that long ago now) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:20:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Charles wrote: > > > > I took a serious discussion and made it more accessible to the > > group. By changing the subject entirely and in a fashion that is > > readily identifiable. This is topic drift and this group is all > > about topic drift. No? Go on, tell me I'm wrong. Do it again. > > You are wrong. You are wrong. > > Hmm, if I say it a third time, does something bad happen? Next thing > you know, people are going to start talking about beer or chocolate. And bananas! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:19:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:25:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: get a load of this References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns975EA8F0CD84Cspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > It looks like a nightmare come to life to me LOL Gag...talk about noveau riche tacky! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:22:19 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:25:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Topis Drift to Beer References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns975F4F4ACF4Ainnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > > Hey, got my beer kit finally. > Now need to find the time to start a batch. ;-) My latest batch of limoncello is ready for bottling in a week or so, which means it's time to start another one (80 days from start to finish!) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:23:06 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:drvsbb$kcr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > And bananas! You just made Kerry throw up in his mouth a little, I think..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:26:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The plot thickens... References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > > > Nope. They're moving 6,000 new jobs to Ft. Meade in this latest > > round of base closings. > > Hmm. Those sound like base jobs. The NSA is moving to SA, no? No, they're DOD intelligence jobs they're moving from Ft. Belvoir, VA. The NSA is just expanding it's presence in SA because it's cheaper there, but they'll never move the main center of ops that far away from DC (and Ft. David). From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:25:41 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:30:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:drvmd9$gj0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I haven't asked anyone anything yet, I've been fighting this problem for 6 > months and the doctors can't come up with a diagnosis (tests come back > negative, but they're only 60-70% accurate at best). I'm just trying to put > two and two together to try and tie flareups with what I've eaten/drank > prior to them happening. > You need to get on the horn and find out what they've been testing for and when, it's possible they're not being very thorough or forthcoming with the test results. Did your tests come up with anything but 'beaver feaver'? Have you been tested for parasites? Have you thought about going to an infectious disease specialist for a second opinion? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 10:27:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 10:30:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: . There are few > publicly owned buildings that don't restrict your movement in some > manner. (I can't think of any off the top of my head) But the Capitol building ain't one of them! From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Feb 3 11:17:24 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:55:25 -0500, you wrote: > > >Frank Tabor wrote: > > > >> One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more > >> likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. > > > >You mean "the more guily I think the party is," right? > > I said what I meant. You're bitching up thread about someone changing > your words, don't change mine. I didn't change your words and then claim that my version was what you actually wrote, which is what Charles did. The point is that neither you nor the cops know for a fact that they are guilty at the time of the arrest, yet you and they blithely approve of roughing them up regardless. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Feb 3 11:20:52 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Feb 3 11:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com>, Frank Tabor wrote: > Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police > instructions and the Congressman's wife willingly got up and left, do > you? I don't understand that because I don't know it to be a fact. Your cites are not convincing. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 16:42:25 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 12:05:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: It's official, Iran wants a bomb, not a reactor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> >> Hmm, if I say it a third time, does something bad happen? Next thing >> you know, people are going to start talking about beer or chocolate. > > And bananas! Ok, yeah. Moving on... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 13:02:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:drvmd9$gj0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I haven't asked anyone anything yet, I've been fighting this > > problem for 6 months and the doctors can't come up with a diagnosis > > (tests come back negative, but they're only 60-70% accurate at > > best). I'm just trying to put two and two together to try and tie > > flareups with what I've eaten/drank prior to them happening. > > > You need to get on the horn and find out what they've been testing > for and when, it's possible they're not being very thorough or > forthcoming with the test results. Did your tests come up with > anything but 'beaver feaver'? Have you been tested for parasites? > Have you thought about going to an infectious disease specialist for > a second opinion? No test ever came up positive. All I know is Flagyl cures me for a period of time. I never came up positive for yeast, been parasite tested but that's unreliable. I'll ask my doctor about infectious disease specialist this afternoon when I see him. Called the county health dept, they won't test because it's not well water, so I have to take it up with the water dept (which probably won't do the expensive tests unless I get medical proof that's what's ailing me). This SUCKS. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 13:24:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Army reservist sues over inability to resign Message-ID: http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/02032006/south_of/85998.htm O'Reilly enlisted in the Army Reserve at age 18 for an eight-year commitment in exchange for an ROTC scholarship that paid for most of his tuition at the University of Notre Dame. "I feel I have done everything I agreed to do for the Army, and I wish they would live up to their agreement with me and let me continue with my life," said O'Reilly, who is currently a captain assigned to a unit based in Providence, R.I. O'Reilly, a supply officer for the 2nd Battalion, 385th Regiment, 1st Brigade, 98th Division, said he submitted his first resignation letter in June 2004. It was rejected. Four subsequent resignation letters have also been rejected. He said he was told at first that he didn't have a compelling enough reason to resign. He was later told that the Army was short of personnel with his skills. "I'm not sure how critical Jonathan O'Reilly is to the U.S. war effort," said O'Reilly's lawyer, Daniel M. Rich. O'Reilly hasn't been activated and his unit is in the process of being disbanded, Rich said. O'Reilly's commander, Col. Steve Ruscito, said he has no problem with O' Reilly's resignation. **But he said that commissioned officers serve at the pleasure of the president**, and the rules change during wartime. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 13:30:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds05r4$299$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No test ever came up positive. All I know is Flagyl cures me for a period of > time. I never came up positive for yeast, been parasite tested but that's > unreliable. I'll ask my doctor about infectious disease specialist this > afternoon when I see him. Called the county health dept, they won't test > because it's not well water, so I have to take it up with the water dept > (which probably won't do the expensive tests unless I get medical proof > that's what's ailing me). This SUCKS. Well, I don't know for sure but I would think being a public utility their quality records must be open to the public if you ask for them. Call them and ask. From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 13:47:52 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 13:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:17:24 -0500 "D.F. Manno" wrote in article : >In article , > Frank Tabor wrote: > >> On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:55:25 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Frank Tabor wrote: >> > >> >> One of the things I've noticed the more guilty the party is, the more >> >> likely to be making claims of being "roughed" up. >> > >> >You mean "the more guily I think the party is," right? >> >> I said what I meant. You're bitching up thread about someone changing >> your words, don't change mine. > >I didn't change your words and then claim that my version was what you actually >wrote, which is what Charles did. > >The point is that neither you nor the cops know for a fact that they are guilty >at the time of the arrest, yet you and they blithely approve of roughing them up >regardless. I don't approve of roughing arrestees up. I'm merely stating that what I see is the quick claim after making bond that "I'm not guilty and the police roughed me up". It's almost a standard disclaimer that I've seen a lot of people use when the police have made sweeping drug round ups and other busts. -- Frank Tabor From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Feb 3 10:55:03 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > So not only is he liable for the damage he's caused, but is he also > being prosecuted for having no insurance? I have no idea -- right now I'm simply concerned with getting reimbursed for the damage (the insurance company's being really smooth about it, which is nice). If the insurance company or state decides to prosecute him, that's up to them. I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with that right now; I've got enough on my plate. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Feb 3 10:57:05 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > O'Reilly's commander, Col. Steve Ruscito, said he has no problem with O' > Reilly's resignation. **But he said that commissioned officers serve at the > pleasure of the president**, and the rules change during wartime. Yup, if I remember correctly, that's pretty much true. I haven't read over the officer contract (having only signed one for enlisting), but I would imagine it's all there in black and white. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 13:59:09 2006 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:20:52 -0500 "D.F. Manno" wrote in article : >In article <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com>, > Frank Tabor wrote: > >> Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police >> instructions and the Congressman's wife willingly got up and left, do >> you? > >I don't understand that because I don't know it to be a fact. Your cites are not >convincing. All of the cites that I have seen several others give all start out "Ms Sheehan said". She isn't a creditable source. She has and agenda. And it wouldn't be above her to lie about the circumstances in order to further her agenda. Do you really think Ms Sheehan is going to come out and admit that ignored the police because she thought she was right and didn't have to follow the instructions of LEO? No, she would be foolish to admit that her actions may have caused the officers to react the way they did. -- Frank Tabor From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 3 11:13:10 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 3 14:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. Message-ID: In a nutshell, a Danish newspaper posted a few cartoons showing caricatures of the profit Mohammed. According to Islam, it's forbidden to draw him in ANY way...let alone in satire. So what did the Muslim world do? They went nuts...EXACTLY as the cartoons portrayed. Here's the main news article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/03/cartoon.wrap.reut/index.html And here is some commentary, as well as two of the cartoons that were published (you'd be surprised how long it took to find those). http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2005/12/denmark_art_and.html From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 15:07:02 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Feb 3 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-010E2B.10550303022006@news.cesmail.net... > > If the insurance company or state decides to prosecute him, that's up to > them. I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with that right > now; I've got enough on my plate. You don't have any part in that anyway, that's what they have lawyers for - except to show up in court to confirm what happened when he does actually have to stand in front of a judge. From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Feb 3 14:53:38 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Feb 3 15:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: get a load of this References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer did pass the time by typing: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns975EA8F0CD84Cspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... >> It looks like a nightmare come to life to me LOL > > Gag...talk about noveau riche tacky! noveau retch? -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 3 13:13:21 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 3 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Well, buying a house now. Message-ID: Got my credit score up (735, woo hoo!) and I'm speaking to realtors in the Oak Harbor, WA area. What's the next step? How do I obtain enough info about a property / area to determine if it's worth flying up to take a look around? From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 17:02:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Republicans just can't help stealing... References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | | >| | > | > The re-vote will be in Florida? | | Who cares where it is as long as they don't actually have to count the | ballots... | My point exaclty. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 17:04:12 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: "indigo" | > > It ain't a "public" place | > | > It is by definition public. "of or provided by the government" | > | | It's FEDERAL property, not public. But it is clearly open to the public. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 17:06:40 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > It is true that the links that you've posted do not | > indicate impropriety on the part of the law. | | I beg to differ. Arresting someone for wearing a T-shirt is | impropriety on the part of the law, and the police chief has apologized | for it. I think the term is Official Oppression and may be actionable From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 17:09:42 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 17:20:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" wrote in message news:cc97u1t4r9lkmaj1onsa5dj7n9mlvoili2@4ax.com... | On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:27:33 -0500 David Dean | wrote in article | : | | >In article <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com>, | > Frank Tabor wrote: | > | >> Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police | >> instructions | > | > Do you follow illegal instructions? If a cop asked to search your | >house without a warrant, should you be arrested for saying "no"? | | Two entirely different scenarios. When the police are making arrests, | it's not exactly the time to be starting to fight them. | | Most all arrests are made by officers using good faith on the reason | for the arrest. Illegal or not, once an officer has made the decision | to arrest you, you are going to lose. He is allowed to use as much | force as necessary to subdue you and complete the arrest. Whether | it's illegal or not is not going to be decided on the spot when the | arrest is made. | | If you are stupid enough to stand and argue the legality of an arrest | at the time the arrest is made and start resisting arrest, you deserve | any NECESSARY force required to subdue you. | | Remember, the police officer isn't the judge or a lawyer, although | some are. His arrest isn't open to debate. | | I cannot understand why people don't understand, that right or wrong, | the officer is going to put you in handcuffs and take you away. He | may have to pay the consequences later if he's wrong, but you are | going to answer the consequences on the spot of resisting. | | If you don't believe me, go ask any LEO you want to and see if you | don't get the same answer as what I've stated above. Might be better served to ask a LAWYER. LEO's often act on incorrect instructions or even make up 'rules' to fit the need of the circumstance. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Feb 3 18:18:47 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> <7bs5u193c4f2to2rlk2rfqlc4b17hufq1s@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in article > > >Frank Tabor wrote: > > > >> Still don't understand that Sheehan failed to follow police > >> instructions and the Congressman's wife willingly got up and left, do > >> you? > > > >I don't understand that because I don't know it to be a fact. Your cites are > >not convincing. > > All of the cites that I have seen several others give all start out > "Ms Sheehan said". She isn't a creditable source. She has and > agenda. And it wouldn't be above her to lie about the circumstances > in order to further her agenda. > > Do you really think Ms Sheehan is going to come out and admit that > ignored the police because she thought she was right and didn't have > to follow the instructions of LEO? No, she would be foolish to admit > that her actions may have caused the officers to react the way they > did. Replace "Ms. Sheehan" with "the police" and what you wrote would be accurate: "The police aren't creditable sources. They have an agenda. And it wouldn't be above them to lie about the circumstances in order to further an agenda." And I don't believe a single word _any_ cop ever says. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Feb 3 18:20:36 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7lu4u11uppd1ftkjs7hbsldk84eneg7180@4ax.com> <8gb5u19ui9rptdbhbi4ogr3oh07k1t1167@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , Frank Tabor wrote: > No the issue here is that G. Bush ordered Ms Sheehan's arrest because > of who she is, and that has to be the most utter nonsense I've ever > heard. Well, you should stop listening to the voices in your head then. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Feb 3 18:28:49 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: <7ib2u1568jkfej9nfhh0eoslndc04j5j6i@4ax.com> Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > There's a federal court decision that says the "no demonstrations" rule is > > unconstitutional. > > Can you help me find this decision? Bynum v. U.S. Capitol Police Bd. (Dist. D.C. 1997). A PDF of the ruling can be found at: -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Feb 3 23:52:18 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Feb 3 18:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > And here is some commentary, as well as two of the cartoons that were > published (you'd be surprised how long it took to find those). No, I wouldn't be surprised. I looked and I couldn't find any of them. But a few places have had protests just because they reposted the cartoons, so not many are. Of all the daily newspapers here, only the Sun reprinted them today, but even they morphed out parts of them. From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Feb 3 17:59:27 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean did pass the time by typing: > Borgholio wrote: >> >> And here is some commentary, as well as two of the cartoons that were >> published (you'd be surprised how long it took to find those). > > No, I wouldn't be surprised. I looked and I couldn't find any of them. > But a few places have had protests just because they reposted the > cartoons, so not many are. Of all the daily newspapers here, only the > Sun reprinted them today, but even they morphed out parts of them. They were all posted over on alt.binaries.slack and can still be found here. http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/02/prophet_on_the.shtml#comments I've seen better "insult" cartoons than those. But then again it's a culture thing, and I don't understand it. -- DougW From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 19:27:12 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tribute to a fallen Marine corporal and his Lakota people References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | > ...and maddening and deeply sad. And for what? | | I used to ask that question over thirty years ago. | (unreal, it's been that long ago now) What bothers me is we are still asking that question and will likely be doing so for another too many years From cfw at prodigy.net Fri Feb 3 16:47:54 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ooops, not so fast References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-E699DC.10191803022006@frylock.local... > In article , > It might be earmarked for education, but how much is spent of things > unrelated to education? (Sports for example) I know at my PA high > school, more than 40% of the budget went to football. > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Yeah. I didn't mean to imply that ALL of it goes to actually educating kids. The point was that we spend a TON of money on education and simply giving more to that category isn't going to help matters. Chris From cfw at prodigy.net Fri Feb 3 16:52:49 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Feb 3 19:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, buying a house now. References: Message-ID: Borg can give you a stipend and YOU can fly out there Charles. ;-) Chris "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns975FC6AEF1C11TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > What, are you nuts? I don't think it possible. But, hey, that's me. If > you can find a real estate agent that you really trust or you know someone > who lives right there, well, you can send them. Greg (skiwi) is close to > there - as the bird flies! But even seeing houses from the outside and > seeing neighborhoods doesn't give you a feel for a house - you've got to > visit! At a distance, the best you can hope to do is to arrange a bunch of > visits for a short period of time. And, anyway, why fly? You're young! > The world is your oyster! And it's only a ~24 hour drive from LA to > Seattle! Yeah, yeah, you're not in LA and it's not in Seattle. Your > point? From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri Feb 3 19:31:39 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri Feb 3 22:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, buying a house now. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Got my credit score up (735, woo hoo!) and I'm speaking to realtors in > the Oak Harbor, WA area. What's the next step? How do I obtain enough > info about a property / area to determine if it's worth flying up to > take a look around? Hey, we would be neighbours of a sort - vacation place, investment, potential job or just like the area? It is pretty up there, nice motorcycle rides once you get out of the centre of town (such as it is, nothing like S. Ca.!) Good luck! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Sat Feb 4 06:20:55 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Sat Feb 4 01:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns975FE1308BECEspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > I bet he didn't know when he signed up that he could be an indentured > servant for as long as it pleases the president! FWIK, it has always been the case that a Commissioned Officer can be called back to active service at any time, even after retiring. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Feb 4 11:40:28 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Feb 4 05:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:13:10 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > In a nutshell, a Danish newspaper posted a few cartoons showing > caricatures of the profit Mohammed. A freudian slip of the mind there, maybe? Profit != prophet :o) What's far more alarming is El Shrubbo's minions trying to change a document issued by NASA by adding the word "theory" after "Big Bang" wherever the latter appears. The reason given is that the Big Bang has not been proven to be fact and it is not NASA's job to portray it as such - it upsets creationists. And this is the most powerful nation in the world? They're giving credence to people who firmly believe that the world was created 6000 years ago in 6 days? And the government is promoting such beliefs? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but it isn't the place of any government in a country where the constitution mandates separation of church and state to push such beliefs that are scientifically proven to be just flat out wrong. You'll forgive me if I don't hold out much hope for this planet and if I'm glad to be at least halfway through my stay on it. -- Steve Shin, n. : a device for finding furniture in the dark. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Feb 4 11:42:52 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Feb 4 05:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 06:08:10 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > I bet he didn't know when he signed up that he could be an indentured > servant for as long as it pleases the president! Did the president want his teeth or what? -- Steve Computers are like air conditioners They stop working properly when you open Windows From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Feb 4 22:02:31 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Feb 4 22:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | | > I bet he didn't know when he signed up that he could be an indentured | > servant for as long as it pleases the president! | | FWIK, it has always been the case that a Commissioned Officer can be called | back to active service at any time, even after retiring. One retired physician, somewhere near his 90th birth day was recalled for this war. From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Sun Feb 5 10:41:10 2006 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Sun Feb 5 10:45:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > And here is some commentary, as well as two of the cartoons that were > published (you'd be surprised how long it took to find those). Search Wikipedia for "Muhammad drawings". -JW From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Feb 5 18:05:31 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Feb 5 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:02:52 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > article describes political employee's overriding statements > by NASA scientists. Latest is directive that "Big Bang" always > be preceeded by "theory": Yep. It did already come up here and received zero commentary. http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-social/2006-February/083851.html -- Steve Support bacteria! It's the only culture some people have. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Feb 5 19:00:48 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Feb 5 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:32:42 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> Yep. It did already come up here and received zero commentary. > > Ah, that must be why I wasn't sure. I expected more discussion. IIRC, > someone here was a NASA contractor. Hopefully your posting will drum up a small amount of interest for the debate. I have to admit that I find this whole thing of Bushy Boy being so "supportive" of creationists extremely disturbing. -- Steve The three "R"s of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Sun Feb 5 22:56:53 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:32:42 -0500, David Dean coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in > : > >>> Yep. It did already come up here and received zero commentary. >> Ah, that must be why I wasn't sure. I expected more discussion. IIRC, >> someone here was a NASA contractor. > > Hopefully your posting will drum up a small amount of interest for the > debate. I have to admit that I find this whole thing of Bushy Boy being > so "supportive" of creationists extremely disturbing. But what is there really to debate? Or at least discuss? That stuff has been happening for six years whether it is global warming or evolution or medical science or whatever. It is rather pathetic but I don't find it terribly surprising. The budget adviser who said the Iraq war was going to cost 200 billion got fired. Scientists who take government money who say that global warming is happening find themselves under pressure to say they don't know if it is happening or not. I mean it is all the same thing, get what you want by muddying the water and pushing away anybody who says things that differ. Creationism is only one of the many issues that is getting the same treatment. God told him to do it all, you know. Sadly enough, it does seem like fundamentalism is spreading quickly. Surprisingly, a recent survey said that 40% of Britons want creationism taught in the schools too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Feb 6 00:15:29 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Feb 5 18:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:56:53 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Sadly enough, it does seem like fundamentalism is spreading quickly. > Surprisingly, a recent survey said that 40% of Britons want creationism > taught in the schools too. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm I watched that program. It horrified me. The key word in your text above is "too". That people could want creationism *included* in the curriculum doesn't bother me in the least. What really disturbed me was the example of the school that wanted to teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe that evolution isn't fact. Quoting from the article linked to above: ---- In the US, a recent high profile court case ruled that the intelligent design movement is motivated by a desire to introduce God into the classroom. This came after parents in Pennsylvania took a school board to court for demanding that biology classes should not teach evolution as fact. ---- What is wrong with these people? -- Steve Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 00:28:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:30:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > > The key word in your text above is "too". That people could want > creationism *included* in the curriculum doesn't bother me in the least. > What really disturbed me was the example of the school that wanted to > teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe that evolution > isn't fact. I said "too" to mean the UK in addition to the US, but what you say is true also. What's wrong with them? How long was Galileo locked up in his house for daring to suggest that the Earth revolved around the Sun? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Feb 5 19:53:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Sun Feb 5 19:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndud1oh.h0c.nobody@127.0.0.1... > > The key word in your text above is "too". That people could want > creationism *included* in the curriculum doesn't bother me in the least. > What really disturbed me was the example of the school that wanted to > teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe that evolution > isn't fact. > With all that we've learned from genetics and archeology, common sense suggests to me that the matter is pretty much settled. But in so far that evolution is NOT proven fact, and some people lack any intelligence, let alone common sense, this is what allows the wackos to promote supernatural explanations instead of something that has a resemblence to science. It is very said that such a large number of Americans hold on to such superstitutions, but I hope this motivates scientists to prove the theory conclusively and settle the question for all the nutjobs once and for all. Of course, the nutjobs would probably like me to be burned at the stake as a witch or heretic too. :o/ From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sun Feb 5 20:41:51 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sun Feb 5 21:45:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: Charles did pass the time by typing: > No, don't be silly, I'm not watching the SB. But I'm watching the ads. > http://sports.aol.com/nfl/superbowlads > Q1: The ameriquest ad was good enough. The Sierra Mist ad could have been > better with better production. The Bud Light Man Kitchen was funny enough. > The Budweiser streaker was a good enough idea but the execution was lame as > all get out. > > Q2: underwhelming to say the least. Oh. Right. The ESPN Mobile ad was > well done but WAY too long and I y'ain't dumb - ESPN on a phone would suck > booty. The GoDaddy adds got mostly rejected but they are online. https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/superbowl06/timeline.asp?isc=gdh0119 -- DougW From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Feb 5 21:37:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Feb 5 21:45:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndud1oh.h0c.nobody@127.0.0.1... | On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:56:53 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into | spamcop.social and left this in : | | > Sadly enough, it does seem like fundamentalism is spreading quickly. | > Surprisingly, a recent survey said that 40% of Britons want creationism | > taught in the schools too. | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm | | I watched that program. It horrified me. | | The key word in your text above is "too". That people could want | creationism *included* in the curriculum doesn't bother me in the least. | What really disturbed me was the example of the school that wanted to | teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe that evolution | isn't fact. I have a serious problem with the 'also' group as there are only so many hours in a school day and only so many dollars of funding. Fairy tails might be an appropriate subject for a small section of a literature program but have no place in either math or science. Most fundamentalist profess to having bible study twice a day on Sunday, every evening at home and once more at church on Wednesday night. Since they are the avowed experts on the subject why would they want an untutored mere science teacher who obvious treats the subject with distain teaching the course. Wait isn't that much the same as a football couch teaching interpretive dancing? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 06:59:02 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Feb 6 07:00:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndud1oh.h0c.nobody@127.0.0.1... > What really disturbed me was the example of the school that wanted to teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe that evolution isn't fact. > It disturbs me also that any school would only teach *one* creation story. Although there seems to be evidence that 'evolution' did happen, it is still just a theory. It may have happened in ways that are different than now proposed. Also the 'Big Bang' theory. I should google, but years ago, I heard an interview with Stephen Hawking who was working on (or proposing - it's been a long time) who said that possibly time has no beginning and no end - sort of like a moebius strip, I guess. I don't know what happened to that theory and you don't hear about it now. IMHO, scientists are as prone to trends and fads as the uneducated. There may be little research done on a particular aspect because it is not popular, but when the fashion changes (or you get someone stubborn), when the research is done, it does change theories. And particularly scientists who are working on practical problems are not the ones to be authorities on other theories - they are likely to be 'believing' them as much as the church goer believes the pastor. The bottom line is that we still do not know where we came from or where we are going. We can observe (like NASA) how things are working now (and even in the past) and that gives us a clue to how it might work in the future. But there are still so many different factors involved that one can't be certain about a great many 'scientific truths'. What really scared me was that I heard an ice core scientist say that from the latest ice cores, global climate shifts seemed to happen within decades, not the longer periods of time assumed by climate scientists. Not heeding the possibility of global warming is a little like not cleaning your furnace or replacing ancient wiring in your house. (there may be a better analogy, I just can't think of it at the moment) - nothing may happen, but there is a possibility that something could happen. It is better to be safe than sorry. And if it happens within a decade, then it will be difficult to find ways to compensate. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 08:45:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 08:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Kewl beans Message-ID: Don't know how many folks read the ruckus a week or so ago about a NASA climatologist that the shrub was attempting to shut up about talking about global warming (even got veiled threats via NASA PR folks to shut his mouth "or else"), here's what our new administrator has to say about it.......I love this guy! Statement on Scientific Openness I want to make sure that NASA employees hear directly from me on how I view the issue of scientific openness and the role of public affairs within the agency. First, NASA has always been, is, and will continue to be committed to open scientific and technical inquiry and dialogue with the public. The basis for this principle is codified in the Space Act of 1958, which requires NASA to "provide for the widest practicable and appropriate dissemination of information concerning its activities and the results thereof." Second, the job of the Office of Public Affairs, at every level in NASA, is to convey the work done at NASA to our stakeholders in an intelligible way. It is not the job of public affairs officers to alter, filter or adjust engineering or scientific material produced by NASA's technical staff. To ensure timely release of information, there must be cooperation and coordination between our scientific and engineering community and our public affairs officers. Third, we have identified a number of areas in which clarification and improvements to the standard operating procedures of the Office of Public Affairs can and will be made. The revised policy, when complete, will be disseminated throughout the agency. I want to encourage employees to discuss this issue and bring their concerns to management so we can work together to ensure that NASA's policies and procedures appropriately support our commitment to openness. Mike Griffin NASA Administrator From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 08:47:56 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 08:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9761D367B2777TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No, don't be silly, I'm not watching the SB. But I'm watching the ads. > The Fedex caveman one I saw on tv this morning and it made me laugh out loud, and the Budweiser streaker was hilarious, and the little Clydesdale was soppy but cute - the rest of them I haven't seen yet. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 08:49:12 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 08:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The horth whithperer Message-ID: A guy calls his buddy the horse rancher and says he's sending a friend over to look at a horse. His buddy asks, "How will I recognize him?" "That's easy, he's a midget with a speech impediment." So, the midget shows up, and the guy asks him if he's looking for a male or female horse. "A female horth." So he shows him a prized filly. "Nith lookin horth. Can I thee her eyeth?" So the guy picks up the Midget and he gives the horse's eyes the once over. "Nith eyeth, can I thee her earzth?" So he picks the little fella up again, and shows him the horse's ears. "Nith earzth, can I see her mouf?" The rancher is gettin' pretty ticked off by this point, but he picks him up again and shows him the horse's mouth. "Nice mouf, can I see her twat?" Totally mad as fire at this point, the rancher grabs him under his arms and rams the midget's head as far as he can up the horse's twat, pulls him out and slams him on the ground. The midget gets up, sputtering and coughing. "Perhapth I should Rephrase that; can I thee her wun awound a widdlebit"? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Feb 6 14:51:20 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Feb 6 08:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:59:02 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > IMHO, scientists are as prone to trends and fads as the uneducated. > There may be little research done on a particular aspect because it > is not popular, but when the fashion changes (or you get someone > stubborn), when the research is done, it does change theories. You get people devising new theories to explain our world when the current theories break down. Chemical reactions couldn't be explained with early physics and chemistry, so someone had to put forward a theory that would explain it, namely that matter was made up of smaller particles than thought at the time: atoms. This ended up to be proven true later on by experiment and by direct observation. Then the theory of subatomic particles had to be put forward to explain radioactivity. The point is, that new theories are put forward in order to explain things that have no explanation in our current science. Evolution *does* have an explanation, *is* an explanation of natural diversity, and also has a huge corpus of supporting evidence. Intelligent Design is not an attempt to explain hitherto unexplained phenomena, it is an attempt to replace an otherwise satisfactory explanation with a literal interpretation of scripture that we know to be scientifically incorrect. There's another word for that: brainwashing. You'll forgive me if I find it reminiscent of how the Mullahs were teaching the Q'uran in Afghan madrassas. Not in the details (creationists aren't going around telling people to stone their wives for wearing cloth made from two fabrics, for example), but the bigger picture of how modern teaching is wrong while the Scriptures hold the gospel truth. > The bottom line is that we still do not know where we came from or > where we are going. We can observe (like NASA) how things are > working now (and even in the past) and that gives us a clue to how > it might work in the future. It's true that we don't know precisely how we got to where we are now, but we have a darn good idea. Through experimentation and observation we have been able to determine that our planet is about 4.5 billion years old, that life appeared only comparatively recently (only in the last few hundred million years), that we are primates just like chimps, bonobos, gorillas and lemurs, and that hominids walked the earth in Africa about 3 million years ago. > What really scared me was that I heard an ice core scientist say > that from the latest ice cores, global climate shifts seemed to > happen within decades, not the longer periods of time assumed by > climate scientists. True, that too is worrying. If the past 2 or 3 Summers are anything to go by in this neck of the woods, then global warming is something real. And if it's that real then it *is* going to have an effect on the polar ice caps. It's going to melt them. I wouldn't be surprised if something bad were to happen in our lifetimes. -- Steve "POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN...Cops have nothing to go on." From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 08:59:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: **But he said that commissioned officers > serve at the pleasure of the president**, and the rules change during > wartime. Another power the shrub just decided to give himself? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:05:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > Well, I don't know for sure but I would think being a public utility > their quality records must be open to the public if you ask for them. > Call them and ask. Need to find out what we're looking for first, I think.....all my symptoms are gone now except for the pain in my knees (or the muscles just above the knees, can't really tell). I'm starting to wonder whether some of *that* pain is being caused by a slightly altered gait I'm subconciously using to keep the pressure off of my big toes (the arthritus in my big toe joints flared up big time during this episode). Going to see my podiatrist next week for new x-rays and possibly new orthotics, I haven't been casted for them since 2000. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:08:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Heidi" wrote in > news:ds07p8$3nu$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Well, I don't know for sure but I would think being a public utility > > their quality records must be open to the public if you ask for > > them. Call them and ask. > > > > I bet they don't test on every street though. There could be > something in his local water (very local) that's doing it. I've been thinking about that...I don't know if you folks remember, but when I came back to work from my first neck surgery I kept having intestinal problems, and it turned out that the water coolers were full of bacteria? But no one else was complaining about it.....perhaps somehow my body can't handle these "normal" bacteria anymore? I think I'm going back on probiotics again, just to be safe..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:31:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Road trip recovery and car unrecovery... References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > So not only is he liable for the damage he's caused, but is he also > > being prosecuted for having no insurance? > > I have no idea -- right now I'm simply concerned with getting > reimbursed for the damage (the insurance company's being really > smooth about it, which is nice). > > If the insurance company or state decides to prosecute him, that's up > to them. I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with that > right now; I've got enough on my plate. They need to prosecute him to get back your deductible. I never got mine back after I was rear-ended by that illegal ($500). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:35:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > In a nutshell, a Danish newspaper posted a few cartoons showing > caricatures of the profit Mohammed. According to Islam, it's > forbidden to draw him in ANY way...let alone in satire. So what did > the Muslim world do? They went nuts...EXACTLY as the cartoons > portrayed. Here's the main news article: This whole thing has been bothering me....on the one side, the EU is pushing the Muslim's buttons on purpose in the name of democracy and free speech (not very nice), but on the other hand Muslims seem to think that no one has the right to parody anything about their religion. And they get extremely violent when someone does (evidence riots and torching of embassies). Does any other religion respond with such fanatical violence to an insult to their god? No, from what I can see.....and they wonder why folks lump them all together into one group.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:40:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Woo hoo! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > > > > Everybody's doing that these days...it's so 20th century. :) > > Ok, ok, so how about Night Watch? Izzzat a movie? I went to see Underworld: Revolution over the weekend (ok, mostly to see that luscious Kate Beckinsale again ;-), not bad, but didn't come close to the first movie as far as quality of story. Wait for cable is my recommendation. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:41:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/science/04climate.html?r=3&oref=slogin& > pagewanted=print > > or http://shorl.com/bifobrofregrite > > article describes political employee's overriding statements > by NASA scientists. Latest is directive that "Big Bang" always > be preceeded by "theory": See my post "Kewl Beans". From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:41:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:45:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > > > Yep. It did already come up here and received zero commentary. > > Ah, that must be why I wasn't sure. I expected more discussion. > IIRC, someone here was a NASA contractor. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:45:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > With all that we've learned from genetics and archeology, common sense > suggests to me that the matter is pretty much settled. But in so far > that evolution is NOT proven fact, and some people lack any > intelligence, let alone common sense, this is what allows the wackos > to promote supernatural explanations instead of something that has a > resemblence to science. It is very said that such a large number of > Americans hold on to such superstitutions, but I hope this motivates > scientists to prove the theory conclusively and settle the question > for all the nutjobs once and for all. Of course, the nutjobs would > probably like me to be burned at the stake as a witch or heretic too. > :o/ Early on in my relationship with my ex-wife we got into a fight over evolution, believe it or not....she ended up screaming in tears "I did not come from a monkey!" or something to that affect........Red Flag #1 (or 2, 3, or 4, I eventually lost count) ignored......damn, I was so stupid back then.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 09:49:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 09:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9761D367B2777TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > No, don't be silly, I'm not watching the SB. But I'm watching the > > ads. > > > > The Fedex caveman one I saw on tv this morning and it made me laugh > out loud, and the Budweiser streaker was hilarious, and the little > Clydesdale was soppy but cute - the rest of them I haven't seen yet. I thought the Fed Ex one was the best, the Burger King and singing Pepsi can tied for worst. No one in the room (of mostly males) got the streaking lamb bit until one woman blurted it out after the commercial was over (and even she had to think about it!). From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 10:13:51 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7jtk$18d$1@news.spamcop.net... > Don't know how many folks read the ruckus a week or so ago about a NASA > climatologist that the shrub was attempting to shut up about talking about > global warming (even got veiled threats via NASA PR folks to shut his mouth > "or else"), here's what our new administrator has to say about it.......I > love this guy! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29502 Across the pond, even! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 10:17:29 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7l8h$21p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I've been thinking about that...I don't know if you folks remember, but when > I came back to work from my first neck surgery I kept having intestinal > problems, and it turned out that the water coolers were full of bacteria? What water coolers? At home or at work? There is this wonderful stuff that I've just discovered called grapefruit seed extract - it has documented antimicrobial properties, you can put it in water to kill bacteria (must be diluted, it's very acidic and very bitter) or drink it in juice - I've been taking 15 drops three times a day in grapefruit juice to keep a lid on the candida problem, which isn't helped by taking three weeks worth of advil for the swelling on my knee, it really does a bad number on the gut. http://www.health911.com/ailments/more/mo-ph110.htm http://okok.essortment.com/grapefruitsee_rbcp.htm (Hasn't changed the swelling either, I'm insisting today that he aspirate my knee, the pressure of the fluid is brutal, I can't kneel or squat, and it's not resolving on its own. GRRR...) > But no one else was complaining about it.....perhaps somehow my body can't > handle these "normal" bacteria anymore? I think I'm going back on probiotics > again, just to be safe..... You should be taking them like vitamins every day anyway, and get some GSE! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 10:22:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > "provide for the widest practicable and appropriate > > dissemination of information concerning its activities and the > > results thereof." > > To bad so much of their work is classified. ;) Used to be that there was no such thing as "classified" at NASA....now with this ITAR crap we can't publish hardly anything anymore, conferences are being closed to foreign nationals, the whole thing sucks. The area I work in used to be one big happy world-wide family (relatively small group of folks working on specialized heat transfer devices), but now we can't open our mouths for fear of "giving away trade secrets to ferriners". From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 10:25:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 10:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:ds7l8h$21p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I've been thinking about that...I don't know if you folks remember, > > but when I came back to work from my first neck surgery I kept > > having intestinal problems, and it turned out that the water > > coolers were full of bacteria? > > What water coolers? At home or at work? At work. > > (Hasn't changed the swelling either, I'm insisting today that he > aspirate my knee, the pressure of the fluid is brutal, I can't kneel > or squat, and it's not resolving on its own. GRRR...) Hurts like hell for me to squat too....but the pain is above the kneecap. P.S. I quit taking the probiotics around Xmas when I saw my second GI, he wanted me off every single drug/herb I was taking so we could start from scratch. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:02:07 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7pq3$4sm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > P.S. I quit taking the probiotics around Xmas when I saw my second GI, he > wanted me off every single drug/herb I was taking so we could start from > scratch. Drugs and herbs are not the same as probiotics, all those do is replace the good flora in your gut, but if he wanted to see if there was a bacterial imbalance to start with then that makes sense. So what was his dx then? Do you still use the water coolers or bring your own bottled water? And get some GSE......it really does work. I have been putting it in the dog's water dishes which seem to get slimy after they've had even one drink. So far not a trace of anything but crystal clear water, even when the water is half gone. I refill them at least once a day but I've left them alone for a while to see how long it would take for the water to get cloudy, they drink all the water before that happens. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:05:05 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7mrh$2sr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > This whole thing has been bothering me....on the one side, the EU is pushing > the Muslim's buttons on purpose in the name of democracy and free speech > (not very nice), but on the other hand Muslims seem to think that no one has > the right to parody anything about their religion. And they get extremely > violent when someone does (evidence riots and torching of embassies). Does > any other religion respond with such fanatical violence to an insult to > their god? No, from what I can see.....and they wonder why folks lump them > all together into one group.... As was pointed out on TV this morning, the muslims have a rather obvious double standard - there was no protesting or rioting when extremists flew planes into buildings or bombed buildings or ships in the name of Muhammed, that supposedly doesn't wash with their theology either, but no such protests happened. However if someone ELSE points that out....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:05:52 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:10:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7nks$3bf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I thought the Fed Ex one was the best, the Burger King and singing Pepsi can > tied for worst. No one in the room (of mostly males) got the streaking lamb > bit until one woman blurted it out after the commercial was over (and even > she had to think about it!). He was nekkid, who couldn't see that? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:17:09 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] SO TYPICAL! Message-ID: How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? Tax cuts for the rich left in place and he wants them permanent, while he cuts programs for the one who need them most. WHAT THE F*CK? http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B139F9F07-3017-4A4D-83E5-DA57E57ACBFE%7D&siteid=google WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- President Bush on Monday sent Congress a $2.77 trillion budget request that would boost defense-related spending while trimming Medicare and other government programs even as first-term tax cuts are extended. "As this budget shows, we have set clear priorities that meet the most pressing needs of the American people while addressing the long-term challenges that lie ahead," Bush wrote to lawmakers, in a letter accompanying the four-volume, 2,400-page document. "The 2007 budget will ensure that future generations of Americans have the opportunity to live in a nation that is more prosperous and more secure." From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 16:07:39 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > > It is apparent from this sentence that you do not understand what the > theory of natural selection is. (what people call evolution) It talks > about how species change over time. It has been empirically shown in a > variety of species. It isn't meant to explain how the world started. It > is meant to explain how the evolution that we see and have seen works. > It is also apparent that you do not understand how scientific > theories work, and how they are supplanted. Newton's theory of > gravitation, for example, is wrong under certain circumstances. That > doesn't mean his theory was bunk, but a better theory was found that > describes more of reality, than his theory. Hawking may come up with a > theory that better explains the origins of the universe than the Big > Bang, but it will probably look a lot like the Big Bang except it will > better explain what was actually happening during the Big Bang. If evolution and natural selection wasn't an issue, then we wouldn't have to worry about bird flu. If current vaccines and anti-biotics can kill all the existing strains now, then we are set since they can't mutate or leave the most resistant ones to go on and adapt to survive. There are plenty of scientists too who have spent their lifetime working on a single theory but once it is discovered that there is evidence that doesn't fit, I'm sure they are not terribly happy about it, but they will either discard the theory or modify it to fit. Religion specifically resists that sort of modification since everything there is to be known was written down long ago and any evidence that contradicts that must be discarded as a lack of faith. In the case of gravity, it is mostly what happens in terms of relativity out at the edges that doesn't fit Newton's theory. But space craft still navigate across the Solar System every day with extreme accuracy using the old "discredited" theories. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:26:01 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:40:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: Message-ID: <43E77899.8EFA11F5@spamcop.net> Frog Prince wrote: > > "JohnL" > | > | > I bet he didn't know when he signed up that he could be an indentured > | > servant for as long as it pleases the president! > | > | FWIK, it has always been the case that a Commissioned Officer can be > | called back to active service at any time, even after retiring. > > One retired physician, somewhere near his 90th birth day was recalled for > this war. I thought that one was for Bush senior? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 11:31:44 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Feb 6 11:40:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: <43E779F0.C297AFDA@spamcop.net> Spamvireslayer wrote: > > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? Tax cuts > for the rich left in place and he wants them permanent, while he cuts programs for > the one who need them most. WHAT THE F*CK? > > http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B139F9F07-3017-4A4D-83E5-DA57E57ACBFE%7D&siteid=google > > WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- President Bush on Monday sent Congress a $2.77 trillion > budget request that would boost defense-related spending while trimming Medicare and > other government programs even as first-term tax cuts are extended. > > "As this budget shows, we have set clear priorities that meet the most pressing needs > of the American people while addressing the long-term challenges that lie ahead," > Bush wrote to lawmakers, in a letter accompanying the four-volume, 2,400-page > document. "The 2007 budget will ensure that future generations of Americans have the > opportunity to live in a nation that is more prosperous and more secure." Of course it'll be "more prosperous", because all the non-rich people will die off. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Feb 6 18:17:53 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:17:09 -0500, Spamvireslayer coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? Haven't you learned yet? There's no such thing as a pollytick with a conscience. -- Steve The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 17:21:52 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > As was pointed out on TV this morning, the muslims have a rather obvious double > standard - there was no protesting or rioting when extremists flew planes into > buildings or bombed buildings or ships in the name of Muhammed, that supposedly > doesn't wash with their theology either, but no such protests happened. However if > someone ELSE points that out....... There are always extreme elements on the edges of all different sides who do not seem to follow the principals they claim to profess whether that is burning Danish embassies, or signing off on prisoner abuse, or killing abortion doctors, or blowing up things for animal rights or environmental issues. Some people get so caught up in their narrow world view that they are completely unable to see beyond that. Speaking of narrow world views, did the Rolling Stones really get censored during the Super Bowl? From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:30:32 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | | > What really disturbed me was the example of the school that | wanted to teach *only* creationism, trying to make people believe | that evolution isn't fact. | > | | It disturbs me also that any school would only teach *one* creation | story. | | Although there seems to be evidence that 'evolution' did happen, it | is still just a theory. It may have happened in ways that are | different than now proposed. The use of theory as exhibited in the above is NOT the way the word theory applies in science/engineering/technology. Scientific theory is typically supported by projections based on sound logic if not hard observations. As example there was once a theory of gravitation (not a scientific law) that was well supported (nor not supported) by observations of the effects. Philosophy, which is the area where ID/creationism belongs, does not require any more substantiation than that someone proposed the concept/idea. For example the question of how many angles can dance on the head of a pin presupposes that angles exists with out any evandance that they do. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:45:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: So > what was his dx then? Do you still use the water coolers or bring > your own bottled water? I quit using the water coolers 1 1/2 years ago, I have a PUR filtered water jug I keep in my office fridge. I never got a diagnosis, no tests found anything and the first dose of Flagyl made my symptoms disappear. But they slowly started coming back before the big whammo last week, I think.....I just installed a water filter on my icemaker, that was another source of possible contamination. > > And get some GSE......it really does work. I have been putting it in > the dog's water dishes which seem to get slimy after they've had even > one drink. So far not a trace of anything but crystal clear water, > even when the water is half gone. I refill them at least once a day > but I've left them alone for a while to see how long it would take > for the water to get cloudy, they drink all the water before that > happens. GSE is what again? I really don't like the idea of putting more chemicals into my body.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:47:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > As was pointed out on TV this morning, the muslims have a rather > obvious double standard - there was no protesting or rioting when > extremists flew planes into buildings or bombed buildings or ships in > the name of Muhammed, Sure they did -- didn't you see the pictures of them dancing in the streets with glee? that supposedly doesn't wash with their > theology either, but no such protests happened. Yeah, supposedly 99.995% of the billion of them are "good" muslims, but where are the riots and anger over the atrocities committed by their brethren? (like all the protests we have here over the war in Iraq) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:48:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > Speaking of narrow world views, did the Rolling Stones really get > censored during the Super Bowl? Yeah, just read that two words got censored. I thought they sucked anyway. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:49:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:ds7nks$3bf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I thought the Fed Ex one was the best, the Burger King and singing > > Pepsi can tied for worst. No one in the room (of mostly males) got > > the streaking lamb bit until one woman blurted it out after the > > commercial was over (and even she had to think about it!). > > He was nekkid, who couldn't see that? Mebbe he had just gotten sheared for his wool? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 17:45:52 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> "As this budget shows, we have set clear priorities that meet the most >> pressing needs >> of the American people while addressing the long-term challenges that lie >> ahead," > > This is because he doesn't see those who are on the margins of > society, such as the poor, the atheist, or the disabled as being members > of "the American people" But the margins are part of the plan too. Make lots of people desperate enough to clean your house for almost nothing. And somebody has to be desperate enough to enlist in the army. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 17:41:47 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:50:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Frog Prince wrote: > > Philosophy, which is the area where ID/creationism belongs, does not require > any more substantiation than that someone proposed the concept/idea. For > example the question of how many angles can dance on the head of a pin > presupposes that angles exists with out any evandance that they do. Ahh, but can you actually prove that the pin exists too? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 12:53:08 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 12:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:17:09 -0500, Spamvireslayer coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > > > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight > > face? > > Haven't you learned yet? There's no such thing as a pollytick with a > conscience. I was about to say, "was that a rhetorical question?" Read two good things on Sunday: 1) Alberto Gonzalez lied to the Judicial Committee while he was being interviewed for the USSC -- they asked him something about NSA illegal wiretapping, he said it wasn't happening. 2) John McCain/Rudy Guiliani possible ticket in 2008 (hell, I'd even vote for those two repugnicans) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 13:06:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds81v4$9q3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I quit using the water coolers 1 1/2 years ago, I have a PUR filtered water > jug I keep in my office fridge. I never got a diagnosis, no tests found > anything and the first dose of Flagyl made my symptoms disappear. But they > slowly started coming back before the big whammo last week, I think.....I > just installed a water filter on my icemaker, that was another source of > possible contamination. Have you been to the dentist lately? There was a big story on one of the magazine shows about the water in their tools being contaminated, you might want to Google that and/or ask them if their water is filtered > GSE is what again? I really don't like the idea of putting more chemicals > into my body.... Pay attention! it's grapefruit seed extract ...not a chemical http://www.health911.com/ailments/more/mo-ph110.htm http://okok.essortment.com/grapefruitsee_rbcp.htm From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 13:18:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > Have you been to the dentist lately? There was a big story on one of > the magazine shows about the water in their tools being contaminated, > you might want to Google that and/or ask them if their water is > filtered Well, duh, I saw the root canal chick, what, 3-4 times? Plus the dentist after that. But the autoclave their instruments, not wash them. And I don't swallow any water there, if I can get infected just by having the water in my mouth I'm in big trouble! (and I don't believe it's possible anyway, not enough volume of the little nasties) > > > GSE is what again? I really don't like the idea of putting more > > chemicals into my body.... > > Pay attention! it's grapefruit seed extract ...not a chemical > > http://www.health911.com/ailments/more/mo-ph110.htm > http://okok.essortment.com/grapefruitsee_rbcp.htm I'm filtering my water now, so this helps how? Am I supposed to carry a bottle of this stuff around to every restaurant to put in the water glasses? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 13:28:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 13:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Damn godaddy website is jammed Message-ID: See what "bad" publicity does for ya? ;-) Ol' Candice is causing a traffic jam on GoDaddy from all us horndogs trying to view the "banned" commercials, I guess... https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/superbowl06/timeline.asp?se=%2B&ci=5478 From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Feb 6 18:59:53 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org>, > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > >> Ahh, but can you actually prove that the pin exists too? > > I sure can, if I prick you with it. ;) Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:05:43 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:ds7stu$6o3$1@news.spamcop.net... > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? > Tax cuts > for the rich left in place and he wants them permanent, while he cuts > programs for > the one who need them most. WHAT THE F*CK? > The tax cuts are for TAXPAYERS. In general, the poor do not pay taxes. Personally, I want MORE tax cuts...AND I'd like to see the budget balanced. That means cutting spending. If you ask me, they haven't gone far enough in cutting spending. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:05:41 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds83tj$b2b$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Well, duh, I saw the root canal chick, what, 3-4 times? Plus the dentist > after that. But the autoclave their instruments, not wash them. And I don't > swallow any water there, if I can get infected just by having the water in > my mouth I'm in big trouble! (and I don't believe it's possible anyway, not > enough volume of the little nasties) Oh? http://www.hcinfo.com/dental_water.htm http://www.websation.com/websites/multipure/dentalwater.html > I'm filtering my water now, so this helps how? Am I supposed to carry a > bottle of this stuff around to every restaurant to put in the water glasses? Um, yes? If you're that delicate that you keep having recurring problems you probably should be if you're not drinking bottled water. It certainly can't hurt you and it might help prevent reinfection if you come across something nasty: GSE has been shown to be effective in treating hundreds of different organisms including: Shigella, Staphylococcus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Giardia lamblia, Diplococcus pneumoniae, Haemophilus influenzae, Mycobacterium species, Campylobacter, Candida albicans, Escherichia coli, Streptococcus, Salmonella, Klebsiella, Proteus, Cholera, Chlamydia trachomatis, Trichomonas vaginalis, Legionella pneumoniae, Helicobacter pylori, Herpes simplex 1, Influenza A2, and measles virus. GSE has been shown to kill both gram-negative and gram-positive strains of bacteria. CAUTION In much the same way that synthetic antibiotics can kill off the naturally occurring flora which exists in one's body, so might GSE. Consequently, if this herb is to be used long-term in the treatment of a chronic infection, supplemental acidophilus may need to be taken. However, while one study found that GSE significantly inhibited E. coli, another normal inhabitant of the GI tract, it left the important and beneficial Bifidobacteria unchanged, and only slightly reduced the Lactobacilli species. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:06:31 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:10:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds826g$9u9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Mebbe he had just gotten sheared for his wool? > He had, which was why he looked nekkid compared to all the other sheep. "Didn't need to see that...."....LOL From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:07:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:10:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds83tj$b2b$1@news.spamcop.net... > this source was supposed to be in the previous message...lots of good information there. http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T223917.html From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:08:53 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds823q$9sh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Yeah, supposedly 99.995% of the billion of them are "good" muslims, but > where are the riots and anger over the atrocities committed by their > brethren? (like all the protests we have here over the war in Iraq) Like I said...bigass double standard..... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:14:29 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds82e4$a36$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Read two good things on Sunday: > 1) Alberto Gonzalez lied to the Judicial Committee while he was being > interviewed for the USSC -- they asked him something about NSA illegal > wiretapping, he said it wasn't happening. Oh dear, and THEN it was outed that it was? Isn't that an "impeachable offense", or at least a firing one? > 2) John McCain/Rudy Guiliani possible ticket in 2008 (hell, I'd even vote > for those two repugnicans) McCain has no spine, and Guiliani is a smarmy asskisser of the worst magnitude. Don't you recall the speech at the RNC? http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/30/giuliani.transcript/ "We did the best we could to communicate a message of calm and hope, as we stood on the pavement watching a cloud come through the cavernous streets of lower Manhattan. Our people were so brave in their response. At the time, we believed that we would be attacked many more times that day and in the days that followed. Without really thinking, based on just emotion, spontaneous, I grabbed the arm of then-Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, [Kerik, the guy who couldn't take Homeland Security appointment because of all the scandal in his department] and I said to him, "Bernie, thank God George Bush is our president." What a load of bullshit....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:15:55 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrnduf161.arr.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 11:17:09 -0500, Spamvireslayer coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > > > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? > > Haven't you learned yet? There's no such thing as a pollytick with a > conscience. I think I'll write to David Gregory and say "this is what I want you to ask the President in the next news conference... " From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 14:22:54 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Feb 6 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Cartoon Protests Message-ID: http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1703495,00.html The Bush administration today condemned the violent protests against the cartoons that have taken place around the world and urged governments to take steps to lower tensions. "We understand fully why people, why Muslims, find the cartoons offensive, and we've also spoken out about the importance of the right for people to express their views and freedom of speech in society," the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, said." .....EXCEPT if you intend on doing it here and criticizing the Bush administration........then we frown on free speech and will do everything in our power to squelch it. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Feb 6 16:07:57 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: In article , "Miss Betsy" wrote: > Although there seems to be evidence that 'evolution' did happen, it > is still just a theory. People who say things like that have no idea what science means when it uses the word "theory." Here's one definition: "systematically organized knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances." Do you say that the idea that germs cause diseases is "only a theory" because it's known as the "germ theory of disease"? Is relativity "only a theory"? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Feb 6 16:17:02 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Don't know how many folks read the ruckus a week or so ago about a NASA > climatologist that the shrub was attempting to shut up about talking about > global warming (even got veiled threats via NASA PR folks to shut his mouth > "or else"), here's what our new administrator has to say about it.......I > love this guy! Is there any reason to believe that this statement isn't meant solely for public consumption, that the muzzling of the scientists by the Bushies won't continue? Didn't the Shrub appoint this guy? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:35:39 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" wrote in message news:4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com... > > I pay taxes. I probably pay more taxes than Bill Gates (most of us do). > Bottom line is that GWB's tax cuts only help the few in the top 2% of the > income spread, not those of us in 98% that remain. > > "Trickle Down", "Voodoo Economics", whatever you call it, it does not > work. Its been tried many times and it does not work, will never work, > and should be forgotten. Better yet, outlawed. Its just a mechanism for > the politicos to pay back their rich supporters. It does nothing to help > the economy. Funny, I haven't seen your name in Forbes or Fortune as one of the world's wealthiest. ;o) I am far from the top 2% income wise and my income taxes have been reduced...so, it would appear the tax cuts are beneficial to more than just the top 2%. While you MIGHT pay more in INCOME tax than Bill Gates (although, I very seriously doubt that), I am quite sure that Bill Gates pays far more than you do in taxes (i.e., state sales tax, property, etc, etc, etc, etc). As it is, if a person has enough deductions to justify zero income tax, they're hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax anyway...so, I fail to see how you could be paying more than Bill Gates. I could care less about Trickle Down, Vodoo, or whatever you want to call it. In my mind, the issue is tax fairness...and redistributing income through the tax code or gov't spending could never be considered fair. Personally, I favor a flat tax (if a tax is necessary at all)...as in a fixed amount per person...not fixed rate rate. That is the only fair way to tax and the only way gov't could ever be trusted to ensure that no special interest receives favor. As it is, politicians will always be pandering to special interests and the wealthier taxpayers because they're the only ones actually supporting our gov't. Your contribution to gov't in the form of taxes (and mine) doesn't mean squat when compared to what others are paying. If everyone is equal under the law, why is there a progressive rate, deductions, credits, and all the other nonsense? From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 13:45:16 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: The only point I'm going to mention is that individual states have the right to support a religion I believe.. The rest of what you said I'd agree with. Chris "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndu914s.4hp.nobody@127.0.0.1... > A freudian slip of the mind there, maybe? Profit != prophet :o) > > What's far more alarming is El Shrubbo's minions trying to change a > document issued by NASA by adding the word "theory" after "Big Bang" > wherever the latter appears. The reason given is that the Big Bang has > not been proven to be fact and it is not NASA's job to portray it as > such - it upsets creationists. > > And this is the most powerful nation in the world? They're giving > credence to people who firmly believe that the world was created 6000 > years ago in 6 days? And the government is promoting such beliefs? > Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but it isn't the place of any > government in a country where the constitution mandates separation of > church and state to push such beliefs that are scientifically proven to > be just flat out wrong. > > You'll forgive me if I don't hold out much hope for this planet and if > I'm glad to be at least halfway through my stay on it. > > -- > Steve > > Shin, n. : a device for finding furniture in the dark. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:42:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:ds86mp$cs8$1@news.spamcop.net... | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message | news:ds7stu$6o3$1@news.spamcop.net... | > How can any politicial with a conscience pass this with a straight face? | > Tax cuts | > for the rich left in place and he wants them permanent, while he cuts | > programs for | > the one who need them most. WHAT THE F*CK? | > | | The tax cuts are for TAXPAYERS. In general, the poor do not pay taxes. | Personally, I want MORE tax cuts...AND I'd like to see the budget balanced. | That means cutting spending. If you ask me, they haven't gone far enough in | cutting spending. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:48:04 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" | > How can any political with a conscience pass this with a straight face? | > Tax cuts | > for the rich left in place and he wants them permanent, while he cuts | > programs for | > the one who need them most. WHAT THE IF*CK? | > | | The tax cuts are for TAXPAYERS. In general, the poor do not pay taxes. | Personally, I want MORE tax cuts...AND I'd like to see the budget balanced. | That means cutting spending. If you ask me, they haven't gone far enough in | cutting spending. Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their income, a much larger % of taxes than the rich. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 13:54:22 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 16:55:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Speaking of bird flu.. The one that everyone has been making a stink about lately has been known since 1953. Chris "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:lr8kb3-ktb.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > If evolution and natural selection wasn't an issue, then we wouldn't have to > worry about bird flu. If current vaccines and anti-biotics can kill all the > existing strains now, then we are set since they can't mutate or leave the > most resistant ones to go on and adapt to survive. > From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:56:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > 2) John McCain/Rudy Guiliani possible ticket in 2008 (hell, I'd > > even vote for those two repugnicans) > > I /might/ vote for McCain, but Guiliani has no redeeming > qualities. McCain is one of the few politicians I can think of that I have *any* respect for....and what's wrong with Rudy? From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:00:10 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7pjd$4mj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Used to be that there was no such thing as "classified" at NASA....now with > this ITAR crap we can't publish hardly anything anymore, conferences are > being closed to foreign nationals, the whole thing sucks. The area I work in > used to be one big happy world-wide family (relatively small group of folks > working on specialized heat transfer devices), but now we can't open our > mouths for fear of "giving away trade secrets to ferriners". > > Erm, what's ITAR? From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:00:33 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:00:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Exactly what *I* was thinking.. hehe. "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-9E10EB.10004006022006@frylock.local... > To bad so much of their work is classified. ;) > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:01:32 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:00:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Yes, but just because he appoints someone doesn't make them inheriently incompetent. Chris "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-F10068.16170206022006@news.cesmail.net... > Is there any reason to believe that this statement isn't meant solely for > public > consumption, that the muzzling of the scientists by the Bushies won't > continue? > Didn't the Shrub appoint this guy? > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > The problem with being sure that God is on your side is that you can't > change your mind, because God sure isn't going to change His. (Roger Ebert) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:00:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > McCain has no spine, and Guiliani is a smarmy asskisser of the worst > magnitude. Don't you recall the speech at the RNC? > Say what you will about McCain, I like the guy. And compare the way Rudy handled 9/11 with the way everyone else handle Katrina. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:04:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > > > Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. > > You will of course need to provide me with a plane ticket, > directions, and a convenient time to prick you. 8-) Uhm....uh.....nevermind.... From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:06:33 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: That's the best two candidate combo I've heard so far! :) Chris "indigo" wrote in message news:ds82e4$a36$1@news.spamcop.net... > I was about to say, "was that a rhetorical question?" > > Read two good things on Sunday: > 1) Alberto Gonzalez lied to the Judicial Committee while he was being > interviewed for the USSC -- they asked him something about NSA illegal > wiretapping, he said it wasn't happening. > 2) John McCain/Rudy Guiliani possible ticket in 2008 (hell, I'd even vote > for those two repugnicans) > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:04:51 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8gdg$itm$2@news.spamcop.net... > > Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still > paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. > So, does nearly everyone else old enough to earn or spend. > If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their income, > a > much larger % of taxes than the rich. > Care to provide a cite for that stat? Income tax...or just any old taxes. The vast majority of the poor in the US pay no income tax. As for other taxes, that is another animal. But for FICA, Medicaid, etc...it stands to reason that the people most likely to use/need it should pay for it. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:09:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:ds83tj$b2b$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Well, duh, I saw the root canal chick, what, 3-4 times? Plus the > >> dentist > > after that. But the autoclave their instruments, not wash them. And > > I don't swallow any water there, if I can get infected just by > > having the water in my mouth I'm in big trouble! (and I don't > > believe it's possible anyway, not enough volume of the little > > nasties) > > Oh? > http://www.hcinfo.com/dental_water.htm > http://www.websation.com/websites/multipure/dentalwater.html Oh...ick.....I'll mention it to them next time I get my teeth cleaned. Thanks for the links. > > Um, yes? If you're that delicate that you keep having recurring > problems you probably should be if you're not drinking bottled water. > It certainly can't hurt you and it might help prevent reinfection if > you come across something nasty: Yeah, I can imagine the look on a gal's face on a first date when I pull grapefruit extract out of my pocket (after already heard about all my various other health ailments, probably). How fast would *you* run away from this sickly old man? ;-) From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:11:36 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: While I don't agree with them.. technically, I think it's accurate to say that about atheists, at least as far as citizenship is concerned. Considering our country was founded upon a belief in god. Chris "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4C2DB8.12354606022006@frylock.local... > This is because he doesn't see those who are on the margins of > society, such as the poor, the atheist, or the disabled as being members > of "the American people" > Ok, so it was his father who said that Atheists couldn't be citizens > or patriots, but I wouldn't be surprised if GWB thinks the same. > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:12:48 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Here here! Katrina was a major CF. "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8gu4$jas$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Say what you will about McCain, I like the guy. And compare the way Rudy > handled 9/11 with the way everyone else handle Katrina. > > From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Feb 6 22:13:40 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:15:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:ds8hdv$jq4$1@news.spamcop.net: How fast would *you* run away from this sickly old man? ;-) .... and he calls other people old???? LOL From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:16:24 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:15:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:ds8ffs$i9e$1@news.spamcop.net... > I could care less about Trickle Down, Vodoo, or whatever you want to call it. > In my mind, the issue is tax fairness...and redistributing income through the > tax code or gov't spending could never be considered fair. > > Personally, I favor a flat tax (if a tax is necessary at all)...as in a fixed > amount per person...not fixed rate rate. That is the only fair way to tax and > the only way gov't could ever be trusted to ensure that no special interest > receives favor. As it is, politicians will always be pandering to special > interests and the wealthier taxpayers because they're the only ones actually > supporting our gov't. Your contribution to gov't in the form of taxes (and > mine) doesn't mean squat when compared to what others are paying. If everyone > is equal under the law, why is there a progressive rate, deductions, credits, > and all the other nonsense? Too bad no one in congress sees it your way. A flat tax is the way to go. However, I've always thought of it in percentages rather than a static sum. Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:15:16 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > Is there any reason to believe that this statement isn't meant solely > for public consumption, that the muzzling of the scientists by the > Bushies won't continue? Didn't the Shrub appoint this guy? This guy is no shrub crony, trust me. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:17:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > > > > Erm, what's ITAR? They just started really clamping down on it in the last few years. http://www.aau.edu/sheets/ITAR.html In the 1999 Department of Defense Authorization bill, Congress transferred responsibility for satellite technology to the State Department from the Commerce Department. Research activity that once was subject to the fundamental research exclusion under National Security Directive 189 was, for the first time, formally regulated and made subject to the State Department's International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR). Adverse impacts on research at universities have been substantial, as described below. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:53:54 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Eponym" | > I pay taxes. I probably pay more taxes than Bill Gates (most of us do). | > Bottom line is that GWB's tax cuts only help the few in the top 2% of the | > income spread, not those of us in 98% that remain. | > | > "Trickle Down", "Voodoo Economics", whatever you call it, it does not | > work. Its been tried many times and it does not work, will never work, | > and should be forgotten. Better yet, outlawed. Its just a mechanism for | > the politicos to pay back their rich supporters. It does nothing to help | > the economy. | | Funny, I haven't seen your name in Forbes or Fortune as one of the world's | wealthiest. ;o) And both Forbes and Fortune represent the views/interest of the average citizen? | I am far from the top 2% income wise and my income taxes have been | reduced...so, it would appear the tax cuts are beneficial to more than just | the top 2%. Your income tax may be down but check out the state and local taxes and USER fees which have gone up exponentially and are not higher than what my income taxes was when I was working full time. | While you MIGHT pay more in INCOME tax than Bill Gates (although, I very | seriously doubt that), I am quite sure that Bill Gates pays far more than | you do in taxes (i.e., state sales tax, property, etc, etc, etc, etc). As | it is, if a person has enough deductions to justify zero income tax, they're | hit with the Alternative Minimum Tax anyway...so, I fail to see how you | could be paying more than Bill Gates. | | I could care less about Trickle Down, Vodoo, or whatever you want to call | it. In my mind, the issue is tax fairness...and redistributing income | through the tax code or gov't spending could never be considered fair. | | Personally, I favor a flat tax (if a tax is necessary at all)...as in a | fixed amount per person...not fixed rate rate. That is the only fair way to | tax and the only way gov't could ever be trusted to ensure that no special | interest receives favor. As it is, politicians will always be pandering to | special interests and the wealthier taxpayers because they're the only ones | actually supporting our gov't. Your contribution to gov't in the form of | taxes (and mine) doesn't mean squat when compared to what others are paying. | If everyone is equal under the law, why is there a progressive rate, | deductions, credits, and all the other nonsense? Works that way in Japan but if you did that a lot of accounts and tax lawyers would be out of business. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 16:56:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:23 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Army reservist sues over inability to resign References: <43E77899.8EFA11F5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43E77899.8EFA11F5@spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > | > "JohnL" | > | | > | > I bet he didn't know when he signed up that he could be an indentured | > | > servant for as long as it pleases the president! | > | | > | FWIK, it has always been the case that a Commissioned Officer can be | > | called back to active service at any time, even after retiring. | > | > One retired physician, somewhere near his 90th birth day was recalled for | > this war. | | I thought that one was for Bush senior? Perhaps it did back them as well, but this one was during this war. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:07:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:26 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | > A freudian slip of the mind there, maybe? Profit != prophet :o) | > | > What's far more alarming is El Shrubbo's minions trying to change a | > document issued by NASA by adding the word "theory" after "Big Bang" | > wherever the latter appears. The reason given is that the Big Bang has | > not been proven to be fact and it is not NASA's job to portray it as | > such - it upsets creationists. | > | > And this is the most powerful nation in the world? They're giving | > credence to people who firmly believe that the world was created 6000 | > years ago in 6 days? And the government is promoting such beliefs? | > Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but it isn't the place of any | > government in a country where the constitution mandates separation of | > church and state to push such beliefs that are scientifically proven to | > be just flat out wrong. | > | > You'll forgive me if I don't hold out much hope for this planet and if | > I'm glad to be at least halfway through my stay on it. | The only point I'm going to mention is that individual states have the right to | support a religion I believe.. The rest of what you said I'd agree with. I don't think that is the case because freedom of (from) religion is an individual right under the constitution and there is no exception I can see for states or cities. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:09:20 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:29 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | That's the best two candidate combo I've heard so far! :) | | Chris Nobody pushing Hillary and Connie? From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:10:39 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:32 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... | Frog Prince wrote: | > | > Philosophy, which is the area where ID/creationism belongs, does not require | > any more substantiation than that someone proposed the concept/idea. For | > example the question of how many angles can dance on the head of a pin | > presupposes that angles exists with out any evidence that they do. | | Ahh, but can you actually prove that the pin exists too? Yes, I say it in a TV commercial. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:11:54 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:36 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "David Dean" < | | > Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. | | You will of course need to provide me with a plane ticket, | directions, and a convenient time to prick you. 8-) Now if you were a REAL man (or had an excess of V*agra) From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:13:52 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:20:39 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-60B1B4.16075706022006@news.cesmail.net... | In article , | "Miss Betsy" wrote: | | > Although there seems to be evidence that 'evolution' did happen, it | > is still just a theory. | | People who say things like that have no idea what science means when it uses the | word "theory." Here's one definition: "systematically organized knowledge | applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances." | | Do you say that the idea that germs cause diseases is "only a theory" because | it's known as the "germ theory of disease"? | | Is relativity "only a theory"? In some fundy communities it's a linear function. ... no that procreation From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:20:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:ds8hdv$jq4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > How fast would *you* run away from this sickly old man? ;-) > > .... and he calls other people old???? LOL PPPLLLLBTTTT, ol'greybeard. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Feb 6 22:37:06 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:ds8i3n$kej$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: >>> "indigo" wrote in >>> news:ds8hdv$jq4$1@news.spamcop.net: >>> >>> How fast would *you* run away from this sickly old man? ;-) >> >> .... and he calls other people old???? LOL > > PPPLLLLBTTTT, ol'greybeard. > Hey, _YOU_ said it, not me. I know I'm getting old, but I'm soo glad to see you are finally admitting that you're getting there also. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:37:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:40:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > As Mayor of NYC: > He pushed small business out of times square and replaced them with > Disney and MTV. Tittie bars and porn shops? And that's a *bad* thing? > Then there were the aggressive police tactics that even caused the > Deputy Mayor to be Harassed. (he had to be given a special police > identification card in an effort to alleviate the random traffic stops > that plagued him) Deputy Mayor Washington was the only member of > Rudy's staff that wasn't white NYC is so much safer than Baltimore because of his actions it's not even funny. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:40:36 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:40:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: Most of them are pretty damn funny IMHO. Chris "DougW" wrote in message news:ds6d18$cit$1@news.spamcop.net... > The GoDaddy adds got mostly rejected but they are online. > https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/superbowl06/timeline.asp?isc=gdh0119 > > > -- > DougW > From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:39:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:40:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > > I know I'm getting old, but I'm soo glad to see you are finally > admitting that you're getting there also. ;-) It's not ME, it's my BODY, dammit! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Feb 6 22:43:15 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:ds8j6h$l1p$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > JohnL wrote: >> >> I know I'm getting old, but I'm soo glad to see you are finally >> admitting that you're getting there also. ;-) > > It's not ME, it's my BODY, dammit! > > Yep, you're getting there for sure. "Not me, my body" is the first sign of acceptance. Welcome Indi. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:49:09 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:50:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: Ah, well. Then I stand corrected :) As I understood it.. the only part that was prevented from supporting/making a religion was congress or the federal government itself. Chris "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-E467B6.17243006022006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: > >> The only point I'm going to mention is that individual states have the right >> to support a religion I believe.. The rest of what you said I'd agree with. > > No they don't. The supreme court has ruled that the 14th Amendment > prohibits states from violating the First with respect to establishment > of religion. > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:43:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:50:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8hdv$jq4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Oh...ick.....I'll mention it to them next time I get my teeth cleaned. > Thanks for the links. Might want to ask before that appointment..... > Yeah, I can imagine the look on a gal's face on a first date when I pull > grapefruit extract out of my pocket (after already heard about all my > various other health ailments, probably). How fast would *you* run away from > this sickly old man? ;-) Like my arse was on fire! LOL So order swanky bottled mineral water when you go out then, big vain pussy... ;> She might think you have some class..... From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:50:27 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:50:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8i1k$k74$3@news.spamcop.net... > I don't think that is the case because freedom of (from) religion is an > individual right under the constitution and there is no exception I can see > for states or cities. > See my reply to David. I couldn't find what I was looking for but perhaps you can: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/ Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:44:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:50:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8j6h$l1p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It's not ME, it's my BODY, dammit! Oh yeah, me too, I don't have "knee problems", I have a "sports injury".... ;D From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:49:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:50:26 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > > > > Yep, you're getting there for sure. > "Not me, my body" is the first sign of acceptance. > Welcome Indi. It's just this frigging knee/quad muscle pain that's bugging me right now.....and come to think of it, it started shortly after I went back on Niaspan for my cholesterol. Goddammit, I quit taken those meds last year because of leg muscle pain and weakness! That's it, I'm going off that crap to see if this goes away. I played basketball for almost a whole month now with no problems until last week, something ain't kosher. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:51:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: She might think you have > some class..... Oh, I can pull that off without the Perrier ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:51:12 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:ds8hop$ju6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Too bad no one in congress sees it your way. A flat tax is the way to go. > However, I've always thought of it in percentages rather than a static > sum. > Congress will never go for flat tax...it would make them accountable for taxes AND spending at the same time. Now, they trade off being accountable for one or the other...and rarely both....which is why we haven't had a balanced budget since Andrew Jackson was President. Also, any increase in a fixed tax regime would be met with a lot of resistance from everyone, whereas, with percentages the effect of an increase is less apparent and may not be perceived to be as big a deal to some people. A fix tax would put half the accountants in the US out of a job too. The bigger problem is the special interests that would demand to be excluded from tax or demand more benefits from gov't spending. If the fix tax necessary to pay for the amount of gov't we currently have were $10K, you can bet that a lot of people would be bitching. No, I suspect our gov't will fail entirely before a fixed tax is implemented. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:47:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:55:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8gu4$jas$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Say what you will about McCain, I like the guy. And compare the way Rudy > handled 9/11 with the way everyone else handle Katrina. Oh I like him too, I just hate the way he went belly up and campaigned for Bush after the dirty shit Rove pulled on him to derail his campaign, he as much as condoned it by rolling over. That alone should have been enough for him to switch parties, and had he done that in this last election, he would have won. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:54:18 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:55:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8huk$k6k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Chris F. Willoughby wrote: >> > >> >> Erm, what's ITAR? > > They just started really clamping down on it in the last few years. > > http://www.aau.edu/sheets/ITAR.html > > In the 1999 Department of Defense Authorization bill, Congress transferred > responsibility for satellite technology to the State Department from the > Commerce Department. Research activity that once was subject to the > fundamental research exclusion under National Security Directive 189 was, > for the first time, formally regulated and made subject to the State > Department's International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR). Adverse > impacts on research at universities have been substantial, as described > below. > > Bleh. Yet another reason to tell the govt. to piss off and then do things privately. I still don't understand what 'arms' could be being exported. Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:53:49 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 17:55:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > Bleh. Yet another reason to tell the govt. to piss off and then do > things privately. I still don't understand what 'arms' could be > being exported. > > Chris It's not arms they're worried about in my business, it's intellectual property used for economic gain. From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 14:58:11 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8i1k$k74$4@news.spamcop.net... > > "Chris F. Willoughby" > > | That's the best two candidate combo I've heard so far! :) > | > | Chris > > Nobody pushing Hillary and Connie? > > Well, it IS my opinion. *shrug* I can't stand Hillary and would trust her about as far as I can throw her. Which wouldn't be very far... Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 17:52:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:00:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] I love Schumer Message-ID: Good zingers: During the often testy daylong hearing, Gonzales fielded scores of questions but repeatedly declined to answer, citing the secrecy of the program and saying operational details could not be made public without ruining the ability to monitor contacts between militants abroad and their U.S. affiliates. Visibly frustrated, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, abruptly broke in at one point: "Of course, I'm sorry, Mr. Attorney General, I forgot you can't answer any questions that might be relevant to this." Leahy accused the administration of acting "illegally without safeguards." New York Democrat Charles Schumer told Gonzales, "I know it's been a long day for you. Especially with all that bobbing and weaving, it's not so easy." From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 15:06:17 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: It might not have been mentioned in name. However, the concept was there. Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/cgk7g I was going to mention that we add In God We Trust to our money.. but I think congress added that fairly recently if I'm not mistaken. Don't get me wrong... I'm not advocating supporting the original position. (not allowing atheists to be citizens) Mostly, I'm just trying to point out that we cannot entirely separate religion/god from America. Chris "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4AE238.17260106022006@frylock.local... > Then why was God never mentioned in the Constitution? > > -- > -David > > Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 18:02:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8jqj$lei$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It's just this frigging knee/quad muscle pain that's bugging me right > now.....and come to think of it, it started shortly after I went back on > Niaspan for my cholesterol. Goddammit, I quit taken those meds last year > because of leg muscle pain and weakness! That's it, I'm going off that crap > to see if this goes away. I played basketball for almost a whole month now > with no problems until last week, something ain't kosher. You went back on them? Didn't you say that you got your cholesterol too low from taking too much fish oil? if you're going off them, (and why wouldn't you) just try for a couple of months eating oat bran (buy it in bulk at the health food store) as a hot cereal for two months, and taking fish oil capsules according to the directions (you can overdose), see if that has any effect on your next blood test. http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fiber.html In the United States, coronary heart disease is a leading cause of death for both men and women. This disease is characterized by a buildup of cholesterol-filled plaque in the coronary arteries - the arteries that feed the heart. This causes them to become hard and narrow, a process referred to as atherosclerosis. Total blockage of a coronary artery produces a heart attack. High intake of dietary fiber has been linked to a lower risk of heart disease in a number of large studies that followed people for many years.(2, 3) In a Harvard study of over 40,000 male health professionals, researchers found that a high total dietary fiber intake was linked to a 40 percent lower risk of coronary heart disease, compared to a low fiber intake.(4) Cereal fiber, the fiber found in grains, seemed particularly beneficial. A related Harvard study of female nurses produced quite similar findings.(5) Fiber intake has also been linked with the metabolic syndrome, a constellation of factors that increases the chances of developing heart disease and diabetes. These factors include high blood pressure, high insulin levels, excess weight (especially around the abdomen), high levels of triglycerides, the body's main fat-carrying particle, and low levels of HDL (good) cholesterol. Several studies suggest that higher intake of fiber may somehow ward off this increasingly common syndrome.(6, 7) From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 18:15:17 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" | > | > Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still | > paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. | > | | So, does nearly everyone else old enough to earn or spend. | | > If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their income, | > a much larger % of taxes than the rich. | > | | Care to provide a cite for that stat? Income tax...or just any old taxes. | | The vast majority of the poor in the US pay no income tax. As for other | taxes, that is another animal. But for FICA, Medicaid, etc...it stands to | reason that the people most likely to use/need it should pay for it. The data came from the office of a Texas Congressman (26th district) his first name was Richard/Dick who was a loud proponent of flat tax. (he was also a quite proponent of nailing lobbyist for political contributions) I can't for the life of me remember his last name which I should because my oldest son nailed him good and in public for some of his missteps. Regardless what you say is true for the nonworking poor such as the elderly and disabled but the working poor are another matter entirely. Since the tax situation is so convolute you can't make a valid assessment on one tax. As example bush's last tax cut plan also include unfunded mandates to state and local governments who in turn had to raise local taxes and fees. NC has for years collected local sales and other taxes and rebates them to the community. This past year the state had a budget short fall and correct the imbalance by holding on to the local tax money. We ended up with user fees for this and for that, local library cut hours when they were most needed. The implemented a technology fee of $3 bucks a month to use the computers which hit those that could not afford computes the hardest. Copy and print fees became a big profit center. Water company added user fees that raised water bills by 50 to 100% the funds went into the town general fund. My kids federal taxes when down $300 but their local fees and taxes went up over $1000 for the same TY. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 18:22:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:ds8jqj$lei$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > It's just this frigging knee/quad muscle pain that's bugging me > > right now.....and come to think of it, it started shortly after I > > went back on Niaspan for my cholesterol. Goddammit, I quit taken > > those meds last year because of leg muscle pain and weakness! > > That's it, I'm going off that crap to see if this goes away. I > > played basketball for almost a whole month now with no problems > > until last week, something ain't kosher. > > You went back on them? Didn't you say that you got your cholesterol > too low from taking too much fish oil? I had to go back on something, my LDL was back up to 143. Triglycerides were a little bit lower than my last test, which was good. Niaspan (niacin), we thought, was the least of the evils of the 3 scrip drugs I used to take. When my LDL levels got too low last year (and I felt like crap) I was taking fish oil and garlic. I don't want to take the garlic until this stomach problem is resolved, it can irritate the digestive system (pretty powerful stuff). From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Feb 6 23:24:29 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:25:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:ds8jt3$lkc$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Heidi wrote: > She might think you have >> some class..... > > Oh, I can pull that off without the Perrier ;-) > > > Uh she said CLass, did you miss the cl? From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 15:29:10 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8k1u$llg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Chris F. Willoughby wrote: >> Bleh. Yet another reason to tell the govt. to piss off and then do >> things privately. I still don't understand what 'arms' could be >> being exported. >> >> Chris > > It's not arms they're worried about in my business, it's intellectual > property used for economic gain. > > Which people and companies have been doing ever since NASA and govt. funded programs were formed. How is this any different? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 18:39:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Feb 6 18:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8lh5$n6m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Eponym" > | > > | > Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still > | > paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. > | > > | | So, does nearly everyone else old enough to earn or spend. > | > | > If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their > income, > | > a much larger % of taxes than the rich. > | > > | > | Care to provide a cite for that stat? Income tax...or just any old > taxes. > | > | The vast majority of the poor in the US pay no income tax. As for other > | taxes, that is another animal. But for FICA, Medicaid, etc...it stands > to > | reason that the people most likely to use/need it should pay for it. > > The data came from the office of a Texas Congressman (26th district) his > first name was Richard/Dick who was a loud proponent of flat tax. (he was > also a quite proponent of nailing lobbyist for political contributions) Dick Armey (sp?)...he was pushing for a flat tax RATE. I'd rather see a flat/fixed tax and do away with rates altogether. > From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 19:39:41 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 19:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8lnd$n8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I had to go back on something, my LDL was back up to 143. Triglycerides were > a little bit lower than my last test, which was good. Niaspan (niacin), we > thought, was the least of the evils of the 3 scrip drugs I used to take. > When my LDL levels got too low last year (and I felt like crap) I was taking > fish oil and garlic. I don't want to take the garlic until this stomach > problem is resolved, it can irritate the digestive system (pretty powerful > stuff). Too much garlic does really bad things to me....I won't elaborate, but if you were taking more than the recommended dosage of each of them, it's no wonder you were sick - fish oil is good but not in huge doses. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 20:36:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 20:45:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > Um. Ok, so I guess we don't have the same tastes, then, do we. Good thing > I moved away otherwise we might have, somehow, ended up together and it > would have been a terrible mistake. We wouldn't have ended up together....you're married. And very VERY stroppy.... jeez louise, that would last like five seconds in the same room, are you kidding me? So come on, you didn't think Fedex was funny? Kicking the little dinosaur and getting stomped on by a mammoth? Hoot hoot! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 20:37:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 20:45:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message > > Oh, I can pull that off without the Perrier ;-) > > > Uh she said CLass, did you miss the cl? > Likely all he'd get from the Perrier would be GAS..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:02:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > Hey, you never know. Life is full of surprises, or whatever. Well, with a genius baby and another on the way, I think I'll be giving up hope and putting my torch away, like, forever.... *sniffle* > Not at all. Like totally not at all. Senseless violence? Funny? I don't > think so. And a football game is not senseless violence? By the way, it wasn't a real dinosaur. Which is why it was funny, if it was a real animal, so NOT funny. Now, the ringtones commercial that devolves into a scene from > Benny Hill? Yes, I laughed. Was it a good commercial? Prolly not! Seeing as I despise Benny Hill, I doubt I would have liked it. Dirty Old Man does not equal funny, IMO. Sigh. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:04:56 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds8j3r$l16$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | David Dean wrote: | > As Mayor of NYC: | > He pushed small business out of times square and replaced them with | > Disney and MTV. | | Tittie bars and porn shops? And that's a *bad* thing? | | | > Then there were the aggressive police tactics that even caused the | > Deputy Mayor to be Harassed. (he had to be given a special police | > identification card in an effort to alleviate the random traffic stops | > that plagued him) Deputy Mayor Washington was the only member of | > Rudy's staff that wasn't white | | NYC is so much safer than Baltimore because of his actions it's not even | funny. So is Tiananmen Square. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:06:37 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-BFE8F9.17323406022006@frylock.local... | In article , | "Frog Prince" quoted a troll: | | > | If everyone is equal under the law, why is there a progressive rate, | > | deductions, credits, and all the other nonsense? | | The law against murder applies equally to anyone, but it only | punishes those who actually commit murder. The law applies equally as | written. As long as the law does not discriminate based on race, etc, it | can be written to apply only to people who meet the requirements. Quote was not mine but that said. The law does not apply equally was written but recall that the legal process is not about justice. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:08:53 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 21:15:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | > Is there any reason to believe that this statement isn't meant solely for | > public | > consumption, that the muzzling of the scientists by the Bushies won't | > continue? | > Didn't the Shrub appoint this guy? | Yes, but just because he appoints someone doesn't make them inherently | incompetent. | The corollary is a more accurate statement that has proven to be empirically true. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:51:51 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | > I don't think that is the case because freedom of (from) religion is an | > individual right under the constitution and there is no exception I can see | > for states or cities. | > | | See my reply to David. I couldn't find what I was looking for but perhaps you | can: http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/ I did and understand I don't have time to run down the cites but understand your confusion as the fundys have been running around with that song for a few years in the hope that someone will eventually believe that it is true. Most don't know that while the founding fathers did believe in God many were Deist with more than a few believing that God was an indifferent God unconcerned with the activities of man. What's more, despite hard evidence in their own church records, that the principal of separation of church and state was clarified by Jefferson in response to the Baptist's concerns that the government would interfere with their faith and in fact effectively outlaw their religion. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:55:22 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:ds8k6q$ltj$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:ds8i1k$k74$4@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Chris F. Willoughby" | > | > | That's the best two candidate combo I've heard so far! :) | > | | > | Chris | > | > Nobody pushing Hillary and Connie? | > | > | | Well, it IS my opinion. *shrug* I can't stand Hillary and would trust her about | as far as I can throw her. Which wouldn't be very far... | Chris the question was tong in cheek and more to enliven discussion. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 21:59:22 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:10:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:ds8mp0$nv0$1@news.spamcop.net... | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:ds8lh5$n6m$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Eponym" | > | > | > | > Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still | > | > paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. | > | > | > | | So, does nearly everyone else old enough to earn or spend. | > | | > | > If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their | > income, | > | > a much larger % of taxes than the rich. | > | > | > | | > | Care to provide a cite for that stat? Income tax...or just any old | > taxes. | > | | > | The vast majority of the poor in the US pay no income tax. As for other | > | taxes, that is another animal. But for FICA, Medicaid, etc...it stands | > to | > | reason that the people most likely to use/need it should pay for it. | > | > The data came from the office of a Texas Congressman (26th district) his | > first name was Richard/Dick who was a loud proponent of flat tax. (he was | > also a quite proponent of nailing lobbyist for political contributions) | | Dick Armey (sp?)...he was pushing for a flat tax RATE. I'd rather see a | flat/fixed tax and do away with rates altogether. That's the man. He was quite adapt at being unavailable to meet with his constituants but always avaible to meed with industy representives so long as they were willing to get off their check books. (I have a copy of a memo out of his offcie to that effect.) From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 22:00:30 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:10:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > Nobody pushing Hillary and Connie? | | Well, Hillary is a political weasel. She isn't very popular with a | lot of people. Who is Connie? Condolisa Rice. Connie is a tag she has in Texas (along with a few others) From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Feb 6 22:02:10 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Feb 6 22:10:23 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <4ubfu15otea12fg81eqomhikr3iadj8jg4@4ax.com> Message-ID: "David Dean" | > Quote was not mine but that said. The law does not apply equally was | > written but recall that the legal process is not about justice. | | If you'll note the attribution line, I did say that you were quoting | a troll. 8P | The law does apply evenly, it just isn't applied evenly. Do you get | the distinction? Theory vs. real world gets to 20 to life where the next guy gets probation From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 23:15:36 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Tue Feb 7 02:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8vlk$ts5$3@news.spamcop.net... > | > The corollary is a more accurate statement that has proven to be empirically > true. > > Which is what? From cfw at prodigy.net Mon Feb 6 23:16:32 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Tue Feb 7 02:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds92p2$vbh$2@news.spamcop.net... > Chris the question was tong in cheek and more to enliven discussion. > Oh, sorry! I thought you were being serious *lol* Next time I'll try a bit harder ;) From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 08:54:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 03:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> And here is some commentary, as well as two of the cartoons that were >> published (you'd be surprised how long it took to find those). > > Search Wikipedia for "Muhammad drawings". -JW Wow, that's an amazing article. So, basically any current event from 2005 onward is going to be fantastically documented. It seems to be the same phenomenon as being able to find a million copies of any current song lyrics but just try to look for something slightly more obscure from the 80s. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 09:45:46 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 04:50:50 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Poor pay sales tax, user fees, FICA, Medicaid tax, hell they are still > paying the excise tax to fund the Spanish American War. I wonder how many generations will be paying for Iraq, now that it has gone well over 200 billion (the point where people got fired for suggesting it might cost that much) and the long term costs, which include things like long term veterans medical care, are probably going to reach 1 to 2 trillion. You know, the S&L mess of the 80s seemed to be the tipping point, but I'm guessing that Iraq is what is going to push the US into 2nd nationhood in the long run. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 06:15:30 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 06:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ds9q8b$dpv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm guessing that Iraq is what is going to push the US into 2nd nationhood > in the long run. Going to? We were headed towards that status even before Iraq! We're nearly $10 trillion in debt...and that is just what is on the books. Add in another $30 ~ $50 trillion to cover unfunded liabilities for SS and Medicare, and it is obvious that those obligations will not be paid for several generations, if at all...especially when tax revenue is only $2 ~ $3 trillion a year. We're living way beyond our means. And yet the majority of people posting in this newsgroup think that this can continue indefinitely. It is beyond absurd that a large percentage of our country's bonds are held by a pseudo-communist country like China. We could be in for a very rude awakening if lenders realize we are as risky an investment as Argentina was in the 90's. Seriously, how can anyone in a developing country continue to view an investment to finance our wars and social programs as worth their while when their own standard of living might be less than that of our poorest people? Wars and uncontrolled social spending will be the end of this country. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 06:30:02 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 7 06:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrnduel2o.6kf.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 06:59:02 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > The point is, that new theories are put forward in order to explain > things that have no explanation in our current science. That says it better than the way I did. However, part of my point is that sometimes certain areas don't really have explanations, but are accepted because they fit with the 'understanding of the moment' and it is not until the 'understanding' is challenged, that those areas are explored. Evolution *does* > have an explanation, *is* an explanation of natural diversity, and also > has a huge corpus of supporting evidence. There are gaps. And if those gaps were 'explained', there might be a significantly different 'understanding of the moment' - though it would encompass those things that we are relatively sure about that you mention. >Intelligent Design is not an > attempt to explain hitherto unexplained phenomena, it is an attempt to > replace an otherwise satisfactory explanation with a literal > interpretation of scripture that we know to be scientifically incorrect. I wasn't defending ID as an alternate explanation. My point was that evolution and the Big Bang depend on believing the 'experts' for many people in much the same way that church goers depend on their pastors to interpret scripture for them. A Catholic sister who taught science at the HS school level said that to think of the complexity of evolution is to be in awe of an 'intelligent designer' who could create through evolution and much more respectful of His powers than accepting the creation story in Scripture as the literal truth. And to me that is a much better argument against teaching ID in the schools than to say that 'evolution' is a fact - which can be argued because there are enough aspects that need new theories to explain. There was a Woody Allen movie a few years ago about a man going into the future. One of the gags was that everyone was eating chocolate as a 'health food' and now it has come to pass! One cannot overcome gravity, but I distinctly remember 'floating' up the stairs (to my surprise) when I was a child and telling my mother because it was something new I had learned. She said that it wasn't possible. I went back and tried to do it again so I could show her it happened, but I couldn't figure out how to do it again. It was one of those learning moments that I have never forgotten. I know as an adult that 'experience' does not always prove anything (since there can be other explanations for a phenomenon). However, I have never been able to convince myself that it is impossible to 'float' up stairs because I did it. Someday, perhaps, someone else will figure out how it worked. We still don't know enough about many things to be 'certain' of any particular explanation - including scientific ones. Miss Betsy From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 11:09:46 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 06:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > | > | Ahh, but can you actually prove that the pin exists too? > > Yes, I say it in a TV commercial. Then in that case I would have to automatically disbelieve it since we all know that everything in commercials is fantasy. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 11:04:24 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 06:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: >> In article , >> "Mr K. Mean" wrote: >> >>> Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. >> You will of course need to provide me with a plane ticket, >> directions, and a convenient time to prick you. 8-) > > Uhm....uh.....nevermind.... Why do I need to make it easy? I don't believe in your pin and if you can't be bothered to figure out how to prove it yourself then who needs it? Besides I caught the innuendo too and I figured it was just better to leave that one there untouched. Oh sure I'm cute and all but that isn't really my thing. And a plane ticket, that's a bit pricey. Are you saying you are really that good? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 07:17:48 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ds8gdg$itm$2@news.spamcop.net... > > If fact according to the IRS the poor pay, in proportion to their income, > a > much larger % of taxes than the rich. > Debunking your fact...this site shows the average tax rate paid by various income levels. http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html On average, the bottom 50% pay 2.95% as income tax whereas the top 50% pay 13.35%. In other words, $100K income = $13.35K income tax $10K income = $295 income tax Unless something got changed using new math, 13.35% IS still greater than 2.95%. ;o) Even if you wanted to look at the poor as a group (the bottom 50%) vs the top 50%, the poor only account for 13.99% of all income tax collected vs 86.01% for all others. If you want to add in FICA and Medicare, the average rate for the bottom 50% is going to be something less than 12% vs something more than 13.35% for the top 50%. I say something less than because some of the bottom 50% do not pay FICA (they're retired)...and for the top 50% something more than because there is a cutoff on FICA at about $89K. 13.35% is still greater than 12%. That is only on average. In many cases, someone making $10K or less would not pay any income tax, nor would they be subject to FICA. I do my grandma's taxes...she had $18K income last year and didn't pay income tax or FICA (she is retired). I suspect her return is pretty typical of a lot of retirees. As a group, based on AGI, the bottom 50% probably pay about $83.5B into FICA and Medicare vs more than $500B paid in by the top 50%....despite the fact that the top 50% are less likely to need or use those programs. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Feb 7 13:27:42 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500, Eponym coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > On average...... Stop there. There are lies, damn lies and statistics. -- Steve "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 07:14:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:30:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | > The corollary is a more accurate statement that has proven to be empirically | > true. | > | > | | Which is what? | Yes, but just because he appoints someone doesn't make them inherently competent. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 07:27:41 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:30:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" | | Wars and uncontrolled social spending will be the end of this country. Overall fiscal irresponsibility is the key element, i.e. creative accounting. Been a while but Bush's war is going the camel that broke the straws back. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 07:31:59 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 07:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrnduh4hu.4q9.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:17:48 -0500, Eponym coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > >> On average...... > > Stop there. > > There are lies, damn lies and statistics. > So, given the statistic that FP cited as fact, you're suggesting what? ;o) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 09:56:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > Too much garlic does really bad things to me....I won't elaborate, > but if you were taking more than the recommended dosage of each of > them, it's no wonder you were sick - fish oil is good but not in huge > doses. Well, I decided I'm stopping everything right now....my knees were so swollen last night it was driving me so crazy I took 2 advil to try to reduce the swelling, woke up in the middle of the night sick as a dog (all the intestinal stuff I was blaiming on some parasite). Same thing happened last Thursday....I think I have multiple problems here......anyway, I'll stop the cholesterol stuff (fish oil too) and see if my legs get better. And I'm throwing out my bottle of advil! (why in god's name am I so allergic or sensitive to that stuff now?) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 09:58:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:00:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > > It's not arms they're worried about in my business, it's > > intellectual property used for economic gain. > > > > > > Which people and companies have been doing ever since NASA and govt. > funded programs were formed. How is this any different? Now they're highly sensitive to ferriners hearing about it, is all. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:01:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > > Why not? We seem to have excised Deism, Quakers, and many other > religious sects popular at the time of the ratification of the > Constitution. IIRC, most of the members of the Constitutional > Convention were Deists. Not so, there is still a sizeable population of Quakers around -- a big congregation in PA where I grew up, and one here where I live now that's relatively active in local politics. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:05:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Woo hoo! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > I went to see Underworld: Revolution over the weekend > > (ok, mostly to see that luscious Kate Beckinsale again ;-), not bad, > > but didn't come close to the first movie as far as quality of story. > > Wait for cable is my recommendation. > > How long should I wait? Cable may take a while to make it to this > neighborhood! Try the DVD then......or just wait for the nude love scene with Kate to pop on the net ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:08:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > > David Dean wrote: > >> In article , > >> "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. > >> You will of course need to provide me with a plane ticket, > >> directions, and a convenient time to prick you. 8-) > > > > Uhm....uh.....nevermind.... > > Why do I need to make it easy? I don't believe in your pin and if you > can't be bothered to figure out how to prove it yourself then who > needs it? > > Besides I caught the innuendo too and I figured it was just better to > leave that one there untouched. Oh sure I'm cute and all but that > isn't really my thing. And a plane ticket, that's a bit pricey. Are > you saying you are really that good? Uh, you were flirting with David, not me....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:12:06 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsacnq$pne$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Not so, there is still a sizeable population of Quakers around -- a big > congregation in PA where I grew up, and one here where I live now that's > relatively active in local politics. How is that possible, didn't they all die out because they believed in celibacy? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 15:16:21 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> indigo wrote: >>> David Dean wrote: >>>> In article , >>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, go ahead. Prove it to me. I'm waiting. >>>> You will of course need to provide me with a plane ticket, >>>> directions, and a convenient time to prick you. 8-) >>> Uhm....uh.....nevermind.... >> Why do I need to make it easy? I don't believe in your pin and if you >> can't be bothered to figure out how to prove it yourself then who >> needs it? >> >> Besides I caught the innuendo too and I figured it was just better to >> leave that one there untouched. Oh sure I'm cute and all but that >> isn't really my thing. And a plane ticket, that's a bit pricey. Are >> you saying you are really that good? > > Uh, you were flirting with David, not me....... I was replying to you about what he said. See, it is all still in the message with the original quote attributions. Neither of you are my type, so just calm down already. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 15:18:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message news:dsacnq$pne$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Not so, there is still a sizeable population of Quakers around -- a big >> congregation in PA where I grew up, and one here where I live now that's >> relatively active in local politics. > > How is that possible, didn't they all die out because they believed in celibacy? Quakers not Shakers. And the Shakers survived through adoption. Well, I think there are only less than like five left at this point. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:27:14 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > I was replying to you about what he said. See, it is all still in the > message with the original quote attributions. Neither of you are my > type, so just calm down already. So who was this " Are you saying you are really that good?" question directed to? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:30:32 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsacg0$pjo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well, I decided I'm stopping everything right now....my knees were so > swollen last night it was driving me so crazy I took 2 advil to try to > reduce the swelling, woke up in the middle of the night sick as a dog (all > the intestinal stuff I was blaiming on some parasite). Same thing happened > last Thursday....I think I have multiple problems here......anyway, I'll > stop the cholesterol stuff (fish oil too) and see if my legs get better. And > I'm throwing out my bottle of advil! (why in god's name am I so allergic or > sensitive to that stuff now?) I was just talking with the doctor about that last night, I've been reading how damaging NSAIDS are to the gut, they destroy the lining, and that I just plain wasn't going to take them on a regular basis for a knee that isn't supposed to hurt anymore. He tried to tell me it was only antibiotics that did that, and I said NO, that's not true, and he said "oh, I didn't know that". Doctor's DON'T know everything, you really have to do your homework and be your own advocate. He was happy enough to tell me I had to take 9 advil a day for three weeks, AGAIN! I wangled another scrip for Vicodin out of him to use when I have to, he took fluid off my knee and injected cortisone and long acting novocaine and I'm hoping this will be the end of the pain. It doesn't feel so great this morning, hurts getting up out chairs, but I'm hoping it will pass - just started chondroiton/glucosamine/MSM this morning which should help too. Pisses me off that this was supposed to make me better and I seem to be left with nothing but chronic pain. It's back to that leaky gut stuff - NSAIDS do a number on your gut, allowing undigested proteins into your blood that set up an inflammatory response - probably what's going on with your knees. Fish oil/borage oil/evening primrose oil recommended as anti inflammatories, (go to the arthritis foundation website and look it up) if you give up anything it shouldn't be them, but they give a warning when taken in combination with NSAIDS. "Fish oil and the GLA oils thin the blood, which means they could increase your risk of bleeding if you are also taking NSAIDs, blood thinning medication, or herbs such as ginger or turmeric that also slow clotting. Although no one has had a bleeding incident in any of the studies, it’s best to be cautious. Check with your doctor. " And I'll say it again, you need to detox, get on that elimination diet (just fish, chicken, pork, veggies, no soy, no dairy, no wheat, no red meat etc) so that your gut can heal, and you'll see a HUGE difference in about three weeks. There's also that supplement Inflamx that I mentioned before, that helps with fixing your gut wall. The inflammation I had in my joints before starting that diet has never come back, even with the two courses of antibiotics that screwed things up, I had other symptoms but the joint swelling stayed gone. http://www.wehelpwhathurts.homestead.com/leakygut.html Outside of trauma, the body maintained a wonderfully effective selective barrier in the small intestine, one that allowed nutrients to enter, but kept out metabolic wastes and microbial toxins rampant in the intestines. What modern event allowed such a breakdown? Primarily it has been antibiotics, secondarily non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). NSAIDs are commonly taken for various pains, and include ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil). They are quite damaging to the small intestine mucosa lining. Since their entry into mainstream medicine in 1939 antibiotic use accelerated. Among other conditions, they have been heavily prescribed for pediatric ear infection, bronchitis, and sore throat. It is sadly ironic that many of these infections are viral in nature. In this instance, not only are the antibiotics damaging, they are also unnecessary. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:34:40 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds7nev$38q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Early on in my relationship with my ex-wife we got into a fight over > evolution, believe it or not....she ended up screaming in tears "I did not > come from a monkey!" or something to that affect........Red Flag #1 (or 2, > 3, or 4, I eventually lost count) ignored......damn, I was so stupid back > then.... > Jeez...if evolution and her ancestry was something to fight about, your marriage must have been hell. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 10:47:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > Jeez...if evolution and her ancestry was something to fight about, > your marriage must have been hell. The definition of.... From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 15:47:51 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:05:01 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: > >> I was replying to you about what he said. See, it is all still in the >> message with the original quote attributions. Neither of you are my >> type, so just calm down already. > > So who was this " Are you saying you are really that good?" question > directed to? To whomever was demanding a plane ticket, which wasn't you. Heck, I don't want people just randomly showing up in my city. Not like I would then send anybody a ticket to make it easier. I at least want some warning so that I can run and hide. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 11:02:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:05:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > It's back to that leaky gut stuff - NSAIDS do a number on your gut, > allowing undigested proteins into your blood that set up an > inflammatory response - probably what's going on with your knees. Only one problem with that -- I've only taken advil twice in more than 3 months, both times within the last week. My knees/quad muscles didn't start hurting until a week or so after I went back on the fish oil and niaspan, one of them has to be the culprit. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 11:20:35 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > To whomever was demanding a plane ticket, which wasn't you. Heck, I > don't want people just randomly showing up in my city. Not like I > would then send anybody a ticket to make it easier. I at least want > some warning so that I can run and hide. "Your" city? You're just a temporary transplant, and now you're taking ownership? Sheesh, the nerve of those Americans.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 11:28:47 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:35:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsaga2$sa9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Only one problem with that -- I've only taken advil twice in more than 3 > months, both times within the last week. My knees/quad muscles didn't start > hurting until a week or so after I went back on the fish oil and niaspan, > one of them has to be the culprit. Yeah, but did you ever really fix the problem from before or just temporarily stop it? Did you change your eating and drinking habits and stop ingesting things that destroy the lining of your gut? Or did the drugs maybe do something to your gut? http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/nia1587.htm "Before undergoing surgery, make sure the doctor is aware that you are taking Niaspan. This medication tends to slow the clotting process, and could prolong bleeding. " Fish oil also thins the blood which is why it's so effective for heart health. In combination, maybe not so good? How much were you taking, the recommended dosage or more?Were any of the other precautions, like testing for levels, followed? http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/niacin_ad.htm The following adverse events have also been reported with NIASPANŇ or other niacin products, either during clinical trials or in routine patient management. Body as a Whole: generalized edema; face edema; peripheral edema; asthenia; chills Cardiovascular: atrial fibrillation and other cardiac arrhythmias; tachycardia; palpitations; orthostasis; syncope; hypotension Eye: toxic amblyopia; cystoid macular edema Gastrointestinal: activation of peptic ulcers and peptic ulceration; jaundice; eructation; flatulence Metabolic: decreased glucose tolerance; gout Musculoskeletal: myalgia; myasthenia Nervous: dizziness; insomnia; leg cramps; nervousness; paresthesia IMO, the two things you should not stop taking are fish oil (recommended dosage) and probiotics, those are the only two things that will help you heal, reduce inflammation in your gut and elsewhere and help your body heal itself. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 11:30:59 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:35:24 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:rbqmb3-8qd.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > Quakers not Shakers. And the Shakers survived through adoption. Well, > I think there are only less than like five left at this point. Oh, so not such a good plan, then......at least they left us some nice architecture. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 16:39:43 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:rbqmb3-8qd.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> Quakers not Shakers. And the Shakers survived through adoption. Well, >> I think there are only less than like five left at this point. > > Oh, so not such a good plan, then......at least they left us some nice architecture. And some pretty cool furniture. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 16:51:15 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:05:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> indigo wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: > >> To whomever was demanding a plane ticket, which wasn't you. Heck, I >> don't want people just randomly showing up in my city. Not like I >> would then send anybody a ticket to make it easier. I at least want >> some warning so that I can run and hide. > > "Your" city? You're just a temporary transplant, and now you're taking > ownership? Sheesh, the nerve of those Americans.... Yeah, my city. I'm willing to concede maybe the north and west since I never really go there though. And possibly south, but you should still call ahead first since I might be there. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 12:03:35 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > Yeah, my city. I'm willing to concede maybe the north and west since I > never really go there though. And possibly south, but you should still > call ahead first since I might be there. Oh no...Kerry has become.... AN EAST ENDER!!!! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 12:08:55 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:j3vmb3-g8f.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > And some pretty cool furniture. True, some of it's a little plain for my taste but it's simple and calming in design, they must have been the first of the minimalists. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 17:19:19 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... >> Yeah, my city. I'm willing to concede maybe the north and west since I >> never really go there though. And possibly south, but you should still >> call ahead first since I might be there. > > Oh no...Kerry has become.... AN EAST ENDER!!!! For now. If I move somewhere else, then my zone of city-ness will end up moving with me. But are you saying I should have a cheezy synth drum theme song that accompanies me? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 12:34:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > Yeah, my city. I'm willing to concede maybe the north and west since > I never really go there though. And possibly south, but you should > still call ahead first since I might be there. M'kay, I'll keep that in mind next time I jet to England. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 12:35:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 12:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > > news:8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > >> Yeah, my city. I'm willing to concede maybe the north and west > >> since I never really go there though. And possibly south, but you > >> should still call ahead first since I might be there. > > > > Oh no...Kerry has become.... AN EAST ENDER!!!! > > For now. If I move somewhere else, then my zone of city-ness will end > up moving with me. > > But are you saying I should have a cheezy synth drum theme song that > accompanies me? Wouldn't cheetah print stretch pants be more appropriate? And maybe some gaudy baubly jewelry? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 13:29:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Frog Prince" ! > > > Been a while but Bush's war is going the camel that broke the straws > > back. > > I just don't think so - it's a drop in the bucket. Maybe 80B a year > in cost. What's that to the total budget? Peanuts, man, peanuts. It's costing us a boatload more than just the special appropriations, Charles..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 13:49:51 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsaotq$20e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Charles wrote: >> It wasn't me! It was "Frog Prince" ! >> >> > Been a while but Bush's war is going the camel that broke the straws >> > back. >> >> I just don't think so - it's a drop in the bucket. Maybe 80B a year >> in cost. What's that to the total budget? Peanuts, man, peanuts. > > It's costing us a boatload more than just the special appropriations, > Charles..... > I read last week or so that nearly $500B has been spent just on Iraq. By the time we're out of there, it will be well over a trillion. That isn't even counting the normal annual defense appropriations and Afghanistan. $500B and the idiots haven't even captured OBL yet? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 13:50:57 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 13:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns976387608430BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It wasn't me! It was "Frog Prince" ! > >> Been a while but Bush's war is going the camel that broke the straws >> back. > > I just don't think so - it's a drop in the bucket. Maybe 80B a year in > cost. What's that to the total budget? Peanuts, man, peanuts. Can you loan me a billion? I promise to pay it back...really! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 14:05:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 14:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > I read last week or so that nearly $500B has been spent just on Iraq. > By the time we're out of there, it will be well over a trillion. > That isn't even counting the normal annual defense appropriations and > Afghanistan. $500B and the idiots haven't even captured OBL yet? Did you hear about the arrest of the manager of the refinery that got mortared last week? Not only did he not hire the men he was supposed to for guarding the refinery and pipeline (he put millions in his pocket instead), he actually funded the insurgents to blow up the refinery! Who in god's name is keeping track of stuff like this over there? No one noticed that hey, where's that 1000 armed men that are supposed to by guarding this facility? Oh yeah, I forgot...the answer is NO ONE. We should get the eff out, now, and let them destroy their own country if that's what they want to do. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 14:13:13 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Tue Feb 7 14:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsar20$381$1@news.spamcop.net... > Eponym wrote: > >> >> I read last week or so that nearly $500B has been spent just on Iraq. >> By the time we're out of there, it will be well over a trillion. >> That isn't even counting the normal annual defense appropriations and >> Afghanistan. $500B and the idiots haven't even captured OBL yet? > > Did you hear about the arrest of the manager of the refinery that got > mortared last week? Not only did he not hire the men he was supposed to > for > guarding the refinery and pipeline (he put millions in his pocket > instead), > he actually funded the insurgents to blow up the refinery! Who in god's > name > is keeping track of stuff like this over there? No one noticed that hey, > where's that 1000 armed men that are supposed to by guarding this > facility? > Oh yeah, I forgot...the answer is NO ONE. We should get the eff out, now, > and let them destroy their own country if that's what they want to do. > You want to get out now? I've been saying that almost from the start! We should have left once the reason for invading became known as complete BS...and the Shrub should've been called on the carpet for it. In any case, sounds about par for the course. How about some of the people that were sent as part of the Provisional Authority that were sending foot lockers full of money back home...or making gambling trips to the Philippines to blow $60K. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 15:06:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "Eponym" ! > > > Can you loan me a billion? I promise to pay it back...really! > > Well... Not sure what I could give you a billion of... I'll think > about it. Hmm. How about bits? I've got plenty of those! Turkish Lira? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 15:19:31 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:sd1nb3-b9g.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... . > > But are you saying I should have a cheezy synth drum theme song that > accompanies me? Umm...do you? You at least need to adopt some tackier clothes and that accent, or sumfink lie dat. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Feb 7 20:47:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:sd1nb3-b9g.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > . >> But are you saying I should have a cheezy synth drum theme song that >> accompanies me? > > Umm...do you? You at least need to adopt some tackier clothes and that accent, or > sumfink lie dat. Well, I was referring to the cheezy EastEnders theme song. Ok, wow, there were a few different versions. Aack, the jazzy version is really awful. And that original version is incredibly low rent. So, I guess I'm familiar with the updated original theme 1994 then and the totally cheezy opening drums. I tried listening to the full version, I only made it through about a minute before I had to stop it. Number 4 on the charts, will wonders never cease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnders_theme_tune From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 16:22:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <0cekb3-81e.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dsb11k$6n9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well, I was referring to the cheezy EastEnders theme song. Ok, wow, > there were a few different versions. Aack, the jazzy version is really > awful. And that original version is incredibly low rent. So, I guess > I'm familiar with the updated original theme 1994 then and the totally > cheezy opening drums. > > I tried listening to the full version, I only made it through about a > minute before I had to stop it. Number 4 on the charts, will wonders > never cease. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EastEnders_theme_tune It's been so long since I've seen East Enders I can't even remember it, I'll have to listen at home. BBCA took it off Saturdays a couple of years ago and now you can only get it if you have Dish network- instead they rerun shit like Benny Hill - worthwhile swap, NOT. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 16:53:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 16:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > The bin Laden's are family friends of the Bush clan. OBL is the son > of one of our 'most favored' families in Saudi. Do you really think > the Shrub's intent is to find OBL? I'm willing to bet he never will > be brought to justice. You forget that they disowned him years ago. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 17:34:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Charles wrote: > > >> Well... Not sure what I could give you a billion of... I'll think > >> about it. Hmm. How about bits? I've got plenty of those! > > > > Turkish Lira? > > So sorry - don't have any of those. But aren't they about to be > European, anyway? That would mean Euros... I thought they were getting rejected by the EU? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Feb 7 23:50:26 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:29:10 +0000 (UTC), Charles coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> Turkish Lira? > > So sorry - don't have any of those. But aren't they about to be European, > anyway? There is plenty of opposition to Turkey becoming a member state. Turkey not actually being in Europe is a good enough reason AFAIAC. Then there's the human rights situation. -- Steve The most difficult years of marriage are those following the wedding. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Feb 7 23:51:33 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:39:43 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >>> Quakers not Shakers. And the Shakers survived through adoption. Well, >>> I think there are only less than like five left at this point. >> >> Oh, so not such a good plan, then......at least they left us some >> nice architecture. > > And some pretty cool furniture. And oats... -- Steve Why is it that people say they slept like a baby when babies wake up every two hours? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:29:27 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 22:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Eponym" | Debunking your fact...this site shows the average tax rate paid by various | income levels. | | http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html | | On average, the bottom 50% pay 2.95% as income tax whereas the top 50% pay | 13.35%. In other words, | | $100K income = $13.35K income tax | $10K income = $295 income tax You are focused on income tax and ignoring the entire tax bite. | Unless something got changed using new math, 13.35% IS still greater than | 2.95%. ;o) | | That is only on average. In many cases, someone making $10K or less would | not pay any income tax, nor would they be subject to FICA. I do my | grandma's taxes...she had $18K income last year and didn't pay income tax or | FICA (she is retired). I suspect her return is pretty typical of a lot of | retirees. If she is working she is still subject to payroll taxes and sales tax and user fees, and specal assestments, etc. | As a group, based on AGI, the bottom 50% probably pay about $83.5B into FICA | and Medicare vs more than $500B paid in by the top 50%....despite the fact | that the top 50% are less likely to need or use those programs. Since about the only purchase made by the low income that is not subject to sales tax is housing and all the rest is subject to sales tax, user fees, special assessments, etc. no matter how you slice it, in toto the poor pay a disproportional higher % of their income in taxes. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:37:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 22:45:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dsadg1$q4f$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message news:dsacnq$pne$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Not so, there is still a sizeable population of Quakers around -- a big | > congregation in PA where I grew up, and one here where I live now that's | > relatively active in local politics. | | How is that possible, didn't they all die out because they believed in celibacy? That the SHAKERS not the Quakers. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:38:31 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 22:45:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:rbqmb3-8qd.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... | Spamvireslayer wrote: | > "indigo" wrote in message news:dsacnq$pne$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> Not so, there is still a sizeable population of Quakers around -- a big | >> congregation in PA where I grew up, and one here where I live now that's | >> relatively active in local politics. | > | > How is that possible, didn't they all die out because they believed in celibacy? | | Quakers not Shakers. And the Shakers survived through adoption. Well, | I think there are only less than like five left at this point. According to a bit on NPR they are up to 10-12 now. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:53:19 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 23:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:ds83tj$b2b$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Heidi wrote: | | > | > Have you been to the dentist lately? There was a big story on one of | > the magazine shows about the water in their tools being contaminated, | > you might want to Google that and/or ask them if their water is | > filtered | | Well, duh, I saw the root canal chick, what, 3-4 times? Plus the dentist | after that. But the autoclave their instruments, not wash them. And I don't | swallow any water there, if I can get infected just by having the water in | my mouth I'm in big trouble! (and I don't believe it's possible anyway, not | enough volume of the little nasties) Never been to Mexico? | > > GSE is what again? I really don't like the idea of putting more | > > chemicals into my body.... | > | > Pay attention! it's grapefruit seed extract ...not a chemical | > | > http://www.health911.com/ailments/more/mo-ph110.htm | > http://okok.essortment.com/grapefruitsee_rbcp.htm | | I'm filtering my water now, so this helps how? Am I supposed to carry a | bottle of this stuff around to every restaurant to put in the water glasses? Don't use the local ice ... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:54:15 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 23:00:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:ds86pu$csu$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message news:ds83tj$b2b$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> Well, duh, I saw the root canal chick, what, 3-4 times? Plus the dentist | > after that. But the autoclave their instruments, not wash them. And I don't | > swallow any water there, if I can get infected just by having the water in | > my mouth I'm in big trouble! (and I don't believe it's possible anyway, not | > enough volume of the little nasties) | | Oh? | http://www.hcinfo.com/dental_water.htm | http://www.websation.com/websites/multipure/dentalwater.html | | > I'm filtering my water now, so this helps how? Am I supposed to carry a | > bottle of this stuff around to every restaurant to put in the water glasses? | | Um, yes? If you're that delicate that you keep having recurring problems you | probably should be if you're not drinking bottled water. It certainly can't hurt | you and it might help prevent reinfection if you come across something nasty: Not all bottled water is as pure as city water. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:57:22 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 7 23:00:26 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" | > It's not ME, it's my BODY, dammit! | | Oh yeah, me too, I don't have "knee problems", I have a "sports injury".... | ;D Are you a sporting lady? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 05:39:27 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Feb 8 05:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9763AE87C1B16spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Miss Betsy" wrote in news:ds7dhq$t8c$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > > > > Although there seems to be evidence that 'evolution' did happen, it > > is still just a theory. It may have happened in ways that are > > different than now proposed. > > Maybe so. But I'm 100% certain 'creation' or intelligent design played no > part in how the world we live in today came to be. Your belief that 'intelligent design' or a 'creator' played no part is just that - a belief. There is no scientific evidence either for or against a 'creator' at this time. To argue against 'intelligent design' being taught in schools, a better argument has to be made. I am not sure exactly how a better argument could be made - except by admitting that science has only identified certain 'facts' concerning our past history - for instance, fossils and climate. And that natural selection can be demonstrated in bacteria. And leaving the question of 'intelligent design' vs the completely random chance that certain conditions were present at the right times to permit natural selection to produce human beings as a question requiring more research by science. In fact, that would be a better learning experience for children - to be able to distinguish 'belief' based on different factors of personal experience and the experience of others from demonstrated, reproducible scientific facts. And to whet their interest in both scientific fact and spiritual experiences. The spiritual is a particularly 'human' experience (as far as we know - though it could be that other animals and maybe even plants may be part of the spiritual world). Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 05:47:48 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 8 05:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dsbp6t$ln9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Since about the only purchase made by the low income that is not subject > to > sales tax is housing and all the rest is subject to sales tax, user fees, > special assessments, etc. no matter how you slice it, in toto the poor pay > a > disproportional higher % of their income in taxes. > Given that I've already shown that on average everyone, rich or poor, is paying nearly the same percentage in federal taxes (income tax, FICA, Medicare), that puts any remaining disparity at the state level. So, why is anyone bitching about tax cuts at the federal level? I won't dispute that some states structure their taxes more towards penalizing the poor, but that is an issue to take up with your state. Here, food and most basic necessities are tax exempt which limits the effect of sales tax on the poor. If your property taxes or rent are above a given percentage of income, you get all or part of it back. So, it seems to me that if a person doesn't like the taxes they're paying, they might want to bitch to their state legislature, or think about moving somewhere else...like Wyoming. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 05:54:13 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Feb 8 05:55:01 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-6CC8B5.11495507022006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > There are gaps. And if those gaps were 'explained', there might be > > a significantly different 'understanding of the moment' - though it > > would encompass those things that we are relatively sure about that > > you mention. > > Like we said, there are gaps in Newton's Theory of gravitation, but > it is still taught it in college physics because it accurately describes > most cases. > Teaching about fossils and dinosaurs and plate tetonics and cave men and how natural selection occurs (and the use that humans have made of it in creating disease resistant plants), etc. can still be taught. IMHO, it is the insistence that 'science' has proved 'intelligent design' wrong that creates the controversy. And, in fact, it has done no such thing. It is a battle of 'beliefs' If the schools only taught 'facts' and pointed out that there are many areas to research and ways to explain the 'gaps', there would be no problem. Students would be encouraged to choose 'beliefs' that were supported by 'facts' - if not completely proved. Much of what we know is after all, in lawyerese, only 'to the best of my knowledge and belief.' Miss Betsy From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Feb 8 13:15:29 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Feb 8 07:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:39:27 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Your belief that 'intelligent design' or a 'creator' played no part > is just that - a belief. There is no scientific evidence either > for or against a 'creator' at this time. There *is*, however, plenty of evidence that the process took more than 6000 years... > To argue against 'intelligent design' being taught in schools, a > better argument has to be made. I don't know about others here, but I'd have no objection to ID being taught in schools. What I *do* object to, most strongly, is schools teaching *only* ID and claiming that the theory of evulotion is a load of hogwash. On both sides you have nothing but theories - I'll grant you that - but OTOH, on one side you have decades, if not centuries, of evidence supporting the theories, and on the other side you have someone saying "It says so in the book of Genesis so it must be right". I know which side I'd consider the more "factual" of the two, which leads to: > In fact, that would be a better learning experience for children - to > be able to distinguish 'belief' based on different factors of personal > experience and the experience of others from demonstrated, > reproducible scientific facts. My point precisely. However, children who have parents at home brainwashing them with ID theories aren't going to be helped by this kind of situation. Theyre going to leave school not knowing whom or what to believe. -- Steve "I can remember when a good politician had to be 75 percent ability and 25 percent actor, but I can well see the day when the reverse could be true." -- Harry Truman From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 12:49:32 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 08:00:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:39:27 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > >> Your belief that 'intelligent design' or a 'creator' played no part >> is just that - a belief. There is no scientific evidence either >> for or against a 'creator' at this time. > > There *is*, however, plenty of evidence that the process took more than > 6000 years... To me, this is the insidious part of ID. All evidence that contradicts it has to be discarded in order for it to work. Fossil evidence of the Earth having existed for more then 6000 years is a test of faith planted by the creator. Scientific method has no place in this system because any laws of nature can be bent on a whim by the creator and are inherently unreliable and the world is nothing more than an elaborate maze of religious tests. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 12:55:48 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 08:00:45 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 05:39:27 -0500, Miss Betsy coughed into > >> To argue against 'intelligent design' being taught in schools, a >> better argument has to be made. > > I don't know about others here, but I'd have no objection to ID being > taught in schools. What I *do* object to, most strongly, is schools > teaching *only* ID and claiming that the theory of evulotion is a load > of hogwash. > > On both sides you have nothing but theories - I'll grant you that - but > OTOH, on one side you have decades, if not centuries, of evidence > supporting the theories, and on the other side you have someone saying > "It says so in the book of Genesis so it must be right". I mostly object to it being taught in science classes. If you want to teach it in a literature class or mythology or religious studies, then ok, but don't try to pretend it is a science and uses the same methods of proof and inquiry. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 08:58:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:ds7nev$38q$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Early on in my relationship with my ex-wife we got into a fight over > > evolution, believe it or not....she ended up screaming in tears "I > > did not come from a monkey!" or something to that affect........Red > > Flag #1 (or 2, 3, or 4, I eventually lost count) ignored......damn, > > I was so stupid back then.... > > > > > > > > LOL. Oh boy. you shoulda walked out that very day. Did you marry her > AFTER she said that?! Sadly, yes.....like I said, I was a moron back then.....live and learn, eh? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:01:23 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > I remember you were horribly sick at one point. It's absurd that the > water coolers were infested with bacteria. Isn't there some legal > requirement that they be kept clean? No legal requirement that I know of, but the company says disinfect them every 6 weeks. They had never been cleaned after they had been installed here. You're probably more sensitive > than others for whatever reason, kinda like the canary in the > coalmine ;o) . Hope that's not true! In any case, I iced my knees last night (and stopped taking niaspan) and the swelling and pain is down about 50% in just one day! Might even be able to play b-ball tomorrow night. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:02:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:05:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Not all bottled water is as pure as city water. I'm aware of that. And you know to never drink Dasani in a foreign country, right? That stuff is just local water put in bottles! From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 14:27:49 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9obpb3-opd.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> Since about the only purchase made by the low income that is not subject to >> sales tax is housing and all the rest is subject to sales tax, user fees, >> special assessments, etc. no matter how you slice it, in toto the poor pay a >> disproportional higher % of their income in taxes. > > And housing incurs property taxes, even those who don't own the house > are essentially paying it in the form of increased rent. Not to mention a loss of a deduction for mortgage interest. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 14:25:57 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> LOL. Oh boy. you shoulda walked out that very day. Did you marry her >> AFTER she said that?! > > Sadly, yes.....like I said, I was a moron back then.....live and learn, eh? We can at least hope the sex was good then. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:28:03 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:35:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9763AF38645D5spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > news:ds7jtk$18d$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Don't know how many folks read the ruckus a week or so ago about a > > NASA climatologist that the shrub was attempting to shut up about > > talking about global warming (even got veiled threats via NASA PR > > folks to shut his mouth "or else"), here's what our new administrator > > has to say about it.......I love this guy! > > > > Yay! Good for him. Let's hope he doesn't mysteriously 'retire for family > reasons'! That was my thought - "Oh, he won't last......" From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:51:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: Kenneth Loafman wrote: > >You forget that they disowned him years ago. > > No, I discounted it since it was likely for publicity / diplomacy / > show. IMO that's not true. You are entitled to yours. > > If OBL actually got caught and was going to be tried here in the US, > I'll bet there would be all sorts of effort to stop it coming from > Saudi. He'll be killed if we ever find him is my guess. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:52:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> LOL. Oh boy. you shoulda walked out that very day. Did you marry > >> her AFTER she said that?! > > > > Sadly, yes.....like I said, I was a moron back then.....live and > > learn, eh? > > We can at least hope the sex was good then. Before the wedding bells rang? Yeah..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:53:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 09:55:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > > Yay! Good for him. Let's hope he doesn't mysteriously 'retire for > > family reasons'! > > That was my thought - "Oh, he won't last......" I'm not worried....he's dutifully following the shrubs desire to plan for a manned mission to Mars, even though most folks in the industry think it's a ludicrous waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:56:56 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsd0lo$msp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm not worried....he's dutifully following the shrubs desire to plan for a > manned mission to Mars, even though most folks in the industry think it's a > ludicrous waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere. Perhaps he can efficiently stall until Shithead is out of office and deep six the whole idea......pity he doesn't have the nuts to stand up to him and tell him that it's a waste of money and he should stick to things he knows about, like running the country into the ground.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:57:27 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dsbq8q$mc0$4@news.spamcop.net... > >> Are you a sporting lady? > Well I was before knee surgery, now, not so much. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 14:34:10 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! In-Reply-To: <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: <64cpb3-5ud.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Kenneth Loafman wrote: > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:53:06 -0500, "indigo" wrote: >> >> Kenneth Loafman wrote: >>> The bin Laden's are family friends of the Bush clan. OBL is the son >>> of one of our 'most favored' families in Saudi. Do you really think >>> the Shrub's intent is to find OBL? I'm willing to bet he never will >>> be brought to justice. >> You forget that they disowned him years ago. > > No, I discounted it since it was likely for publicity / diplomacy / show. > > If OBL actually got caught and was going to be tried here in the US, I'll > bet there would be all sorts of effort to stop it coming from Saudi. I think that OBL will continue to run loose for a long time mostly because there is more to be gained by leaving him free than capturing him. It is the same reason that we have always been at war with Eastasia/Oceania, a boogy man to demonize is rather useful. The end of the Cold War left quite a gap there. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 09:58:11 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsctjj$kmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hope that's not true! In any case, I iced my knees last night (and stopped > taking niaspan) and the swelling and pain is down about 50% in just one day! > Might even be able to play b-ball tomorrow night. ....and you're going to keep taking the probiotics and the fish oil to keep the inflammation down, right? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 10:14:47 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsd0h1$mpm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > He'll be killed if we ever find him is my guess. > Finding him doesn't seem to be much of a priority. Otherwise, we'd have our military in Afghanistan/Pakistan instead of Iraq. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 10:19:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:20:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dsd0h1$mpm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > He'll be killed if we ever find him is my guess. > > > > Finding him doesn't seem to be much of a priority. Otherwise, we'd > have our military in Afghanistan/Pakistan instead of Iraq. We pulled out of Afghanistan? News to me.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 10:21:39 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kewl beans References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dsd0lo$msp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I'm not worried....he's dutifully following the shrubs desire to > > plan for a manned mission to Mars, even though most folks in the > > industry think it's a ludicrous waste of money that could be put to > > better use elsewhere. > > Perhaps he can efficiently stall until Shithead is out of office and > deep six the whole idea...... No problem there, any mission (even to the moon) is at least 10-20 years away, realistically. pity he doesn't have the nuts to stand > up to him and tell him that it's a waste of money and he should stick > to things he knows about, like running the country into the ground.... Don't confuse giving lip service to your boss with not "having guts". From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 10:23:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dsctjj$kmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Hope that's not true! In any case, I iced my knees last night (and > > stopped taking niaspan) and the swelling and pain is down about 50% > > in just one day! Might even be able to play b-ball tomorrow night. > > ....and you're going to keep taking the probiotics and the fish oil > to keep the inflammation down, right? Went back on the probiotics on Monday, will start taking fish oil again after my knees are back to normal. Just being cautious, one thing at a time. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 10:32:40 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 8 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsd25f$oag$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Eponym wrote: >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:dsd0h1$mpm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > >> > He'll be killed if we ever find him is my guess. >> > >> >> Finding him doesn't seem to be much of a priority. Otherwise, we'd >> have our military in Afghanistan/Pakistan instead of Iraq. > > We pulled out of Afghanistan? News to me.... > No, not altogether, but there isn't enough there to really do much in finding OBL. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 11:02:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 11:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > No, not altogether, but there isn't enough there to really do much in > finding OBL. They've got plenty of special ops forces looking for him, regular troops would be useless anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if we had guys operating in Pakistan, even though that's "illegal". That's where he's hiding out. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 11:01:56 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 11:05:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsd2d6$odt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Went back on the probiotics on Monday, will start taking fish oil again > after my knees are back to normal. Just being cautious, one thing at a time. But that will help your knees get back to normal, it's an anti-inflammatory, just take it according to directions and start slowly. You weren't perhaps drinking this weekend while on flagyl, were you? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 11:13:17 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 8 11:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dsd4mk$q59$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Eponym wrote: >> >> No, not altogether, but there isn't enough there to really do much in >> finding OBL. > > They've got plenty of special ops forces looking for him, regular troops > would be useless anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if we had guys operating > in > Pakistan, even though that's "illegal". That's where he's hiding out. > IMO, it is good to have our special ops guys there, but having more presence would help. I don't consider the regular troops useless...they'd draw Taliban and Al-Qiada fighters out into the open, plus they might be able to pick up some intel associating with the locals. As it is, the Taliban and Al-Qiada fighters just lay low until our special ops guys are out of the area, if they know they're around. Some of the more tribal areas there have devolved back to Taliban control. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 11:41:18 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | | Your belief that 'intelligent design' or a 'creator' played no part | is just that - a belief. There is no scientific evidence either | for or against a 'creator' at this time. | | To argue against 'intelligent design' being taught in schools, a | better argument has to be made. I am not sure exactly how a better | argument could be made - except by admitting that science has only | identified certain 'facts' concerning our past history - for | instance, fossils and climate. And that natural selection can be | demonstrated in bacteria. And leaving the question of 'intelligent | design' vs the completely random chance that certain conditions | were present at the right times to permit natural selection to | produce human beings as a question requiring more research by | science. In fact, that would be a better learning experience for | children - to be able to distinguish 'belief' based on different | factors of personal experience and the experience of others from | demonstrated, reproducible scientific facts. And to whet their | interest in both scientific fact and spiritual experiences. The | spiritual is a particularly 'human' experience (as far as we know - | though it could be that other animals and maybe even plants may be | part of the spiritual world). ID is, at a minimum, a philosophical augment and as such does NOT belong in a science curriculum. Want to expose kids to the concept then teach philosophy or a course in comparative religions. The problem with the process in the minds of those that want ID taught with evolution is that both philosophy and comparative religions expose their kids to alternative ideas where as ID as an alternative to evolution is intended to expose (read indoctrinate/convert) everyone's kids to their belief system. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 12:24:47 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > | > > There are gaps. And if those gaps were 'explained', there | might be a significantly different 'understanding of the moment' - | though it would encompass those things that we are relatively sure about | that you mention. | > | > Like we said, there are gaps in Newton's Theory of | gravitation, but it is still taught it in college physics because it accurately | describes most cases. | > | | Teaching about fossils and dinosaurs and plate tectonics and cave | men and how natural selection occurs (and the use that humans have | made of it in creating disease resistant plants), etc. can still | be taught. | | IMHO, it is the insistence that 'science' has proved 'intelligent | design' wrong that creates the controversy. And, in fact, it has | done no such thing. It is a battle of 'beliefs' If the schools | only taught 'facts' and pointed out that there are many areas to | research and ways to explain the 'gaps', there would be no problem. | Students would be encouraged to choose 'beliefs' that were | supported by 'facts' - if not completely proved. Much of what we | know is after all, in lawyerese, only 'to the best of my knowledge | and belief.' You have the shoe on the wrong foot. It's not that science has to prove ID wrong but that ID has to prove that ID is right based on accepted scientific method. I would offer that any good scientist would gladly accept the inclusion if ID *IF* the proponents could offer adequate proof. (Other than augments that the correctly accepted ideas are simply theories.) 'I have faith' is not an acceptable proof and in science it is not a matter of 'to the best of my knowledge' but hard data and replicatable evidence. If you trip and fall from a porch step you may or may not be hurt. If you fall from the roof the probability that you will be hurt increases, if you fall from 10 story building the probability of your being killed is so near 100% as to be irrefutable. Those events are such that the assumptions are safe based on observations even if you don't understand either the physics or the physical causes. Philosophical/faith based assumption do not lend themselves to that analysis and as such have no place in hard science curriculum From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 12:37:06 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97645E077C07Bspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:ds7stu$6o3$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > >> "As this budget shows, we have set clear priorities that meet the most >> pressing needs of the American people while addressing the long-term >> challenges that lie ahead," > > Which pressing needs are these exactly? The richest 1% being able to buy a > couple of extra mansions at exclusive resorts? > Envious? It isn't as if the gov't is taxing everyone else and then cutting a check to the people with the highest income. No, the opposite is being done using EIC and other tax credits...not to mention all the entitlement programs that are provided to people that have done nothing to earn the benefit. If people with higher income want to spend the money they EARN on whatever, that is their right. Or do you prefer someone telling you how to spend your money...or worst confiscating it outright and giving it to someone else? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 12:38:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: superbowl ads References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97645F25545ADspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in news:ds826g$9u9$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Mebbe he had just gotten sheared for his wool? > > Well why did the farm guys use the word 'streaker' then? Sigh.....because he was NAKED! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 12:39:34 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Feb 8 12:45:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I don't know whether to laugh, or shake my head in disgust. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > Yes... apparently a few people still don't know the line 'you make a dead > man come' so they bleeped out 'come'. Pathetic. Ewww......necrophilia? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Feb 8 17:34:11 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > If you trip and fall from a porch step you may or may not be hurt. If you > fall from the roof the probability that you will be hurt increases, if you > fall from 10 story building the probability of your being killed is so near > 100% as to be irrefutable. Those events are such that the assumptions are > safe based on observations even if you don't understand either the physics > or the physical causes. But there have been a few people who have survived parachutes not opening when skydiving. Sure they broke a whole lot of bones but they survived. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:05:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > But that will help your knees get back to normal, it's an > anti-inflammatory, just take it according to directions and start > slowly. Ok....but if my knees get worse I'm coming after you with a coat hanger! You weren't perhaps drinking this weekend while on flagyl, > were you? Hell no, do you think I'm crazy? I was sick enough already! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:08:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > So drink bottled water on your dates! Oh yeah, at the rate I'm dating I'll go broke from drinking bottled water in, say....2050? ;-) Just learned they're removing the kitchen from our first floor here to make more office space. That's just dandy, now I have no sink to fill up my filtered water jug at work! Shit! Shit! Shit! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:11:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: anyone know how to get water tested for parasites and chemicals? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > ever been diagnosed with ulcers? nope, but years ago I had a problem with acid reflux, haven't suffered from that in a long time, although both my twin sister and my Dad take scrip medicine for it. or h-pylori? Not been tested for that, IIRC. It's something my chiropractor has mentioned, but both the GIs I saw pooh-poohed the notion of that causing the problem (not that they're right). I think you need a biopsy for that, don't you? (endoscopy) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:13:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: <645iu1pt3vqse42j8tgg7ko284is2kseha@4ax.com> <97vju1lb2kaq62h2em40or8iik7ukcuk86@4ax.com> Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > IMO, it is good to have our special ops guys there, but having more > presence would help. I don't consider the regular troops > useless... They make very tempting targets......just like in Iraq. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:16:22 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:20:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: SO TYPICAL! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:ds82e4$a36$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > 2) John McCain/Rudy Guiliani possible ticket in 2008 (hell, I'd > > even vote for those two repugnicans) > > Even if it looked likely to be more of the same? It wouldn't BE the same, that's my point. McCain is the anti-shrub. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:19:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:20:25 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: If we're > so well designed then why are our backs designed for being horizontal > and not vertical? Preservation of the species via increased procreation activity? ;-) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:17:31 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:20:33 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:olmpb3-j3h.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > > But there have been a few people who have survived parachutes not > opening when skydiving. Sure they broke a whole lot of bones but they > survived. There was a woman who survived it not too long ago, broke every bone in her face, her pelvis and leg, and was pregnant as well. And she wants to do it again after the baby's born. Bizarre. And stupid. http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_346193211.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:22:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Philosophical/faith based assumption do not lend themselves to that > analysis and as such have no place in hard science curriculum I'd like to hear how these ID yahoos explain the reason we share 99% of our DNA with certain primates. Did they DEvolve from us, LOL? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:24:07 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Did this already come up here? References: <8pvmb3-eef.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo"