From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 1 08:31:06 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 1 08:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d51deo$ogr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D.F. Manno" > > | > That's the other argument: suppose the cause of the accident were a > | > drunken driver? What is the difference in dying from the actions > | > of someone who is drunk or from the actions of someone who is > | > sexually promiscuous? > | > | DUI is illegal. > > According to some sex should be both immoral and illegal > IIRC, it is illegal to have sex if you know you have AIDS and also to give blood. But the point is that society /can/ interfere with personal habits if those habits endanger other people without being 'moral' - it is an entirely secular decision. The same goes with smoking since they discovered that second hand smoke is harmful to non-smokers. The point being argued was whether society should do anything about the spread of AIDS. From a libertarian viewpoint, government should stay out of any moral decisions letting people suffer the effects of the consequences of their actions or inactions or ignorance. But sometimes those effects affect others and then those who are interested in the community want to curtail those actions or force action (like seatbelts and fire codes and drunken driving). And those who think that others need 'guidance' in order to live correctly (and they aren't all religious, but secular also) join forces to promote certain laws on what to teach, what warnings to put on products, what practices are required in the workplace, etc. join with them to promote laws governing behavior. And then they are joined by those who have legal minds and want to make the laws in their favor (the special interest groups). When it comes to controlling greed (such as monopolies), religious people have plenty of company from the other groups. But not so much when it means changing certain business practices to prevent problems and none at all when it comes to changing attitudes about sex to prevent problems. The very religious are at either end of the spectrum of how people think government should get involved in people's lives. That's because, at least in the Judeo-Christian tradition (and probably in other major religions though I can't quote references), God doesn't stop people from sinning nor protects them from the results of sinning. God does provide a blueprint of how one can live without sin (laws - in Judeo-Christian tradition the 10 commandments). So there are religious people who only want to help people by converting them from sin so secular laws are irrelevant and there are religious people who want God's laws to be mandatory so that everyone is helped. The real hypocrites are those who want their personal prejudices to be mandatory while talking about freedom. At least the religious think they are working for universal laws that would benefit everyone; they don't try to force their personal prejudices on others (at least in theory - too often people only push those of God's laws that they personally approve of just as those who are not religious do). Miss Betsy From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 1 15:00:10 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun May 1 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-110709.19531930042005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > >> h wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is > > Me! Me! It's that thing on the wall outside my house that the man from > the electric company reads every month. No! No! That's a metER not a metRE From johnl at spamcop.net Sun May 1 15:12:47 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun May 1 10:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in news:d52kl8$agb$1 @news.spamcop.net: > No! No! That's a metER not a metRE ...and who's fault is it that you guys (and them guys up here in Canada) can't spale??? ;-) From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 11:54:36 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 11:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-38104D.09225601052005@frylock.local... > Splenda and Aspertame, I use splenda at home to make iced tea, and I > drink diet soda while away from home. (There are a few made with Splenda > but most made with aspertame.) My exercise regimen didn't change, my > diet didn't change. (except for switching to diet beverages) What else > could have been the reason? Well, the fact that you were no longer ingesting all that sugar probably is the reason. What you're *replacing* the sugar with is not exactly healthy, but not consuming sugar will give you the same results. http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/dangers_of_sugar.htm# 76 Ways Sugar Can Ruin Your Health Contributed by Nancy Appleton, Ph.D Author of the book Lick The Sugar Habit In addition to throwing off the body's homeostasis, excess sugar may result in a number of other significant consequences. The following is a listing of some of sugar's metabolic consequences from a variety of medical journals and other scientific publications. 1.. Sugar can suppress your immune system and impair your defenses against infectious disease.1,2 2.. Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in your body: causes chromium and copper deficiencies and interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium. 3,4,5,6 3.. Sugar can cause can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline, hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in children.7,8 4.. Sugar can produce a significant rise in total cholesterol, triglycerides and bad cholesterol and a decrease in good cholesterol.9,10,11,12 From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 1 17:10:32 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun May 1 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d52qqs$d6s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/dangers_of_sugar.htm# > > 76 Ways Sugar Can Ruin Your Health > > Contributed by Nancy Appleton, Ph.D > Author of the book Lick The Sugar Habit > > In addition to throwing off the body's homeostasis, excess sugar may > result in a number of other significant consequences. The following is a > listing of some of sugar's metabolic consequences from a variety of > medical > journals and other scientific publications. > > 1.. Sugar can suppress your immune system and impair your defenses > against infectious disease.1,2 > > 2.. Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in your body: causes > chromium and copper deficiencies and interferes with absorption of calcium > and magnesium. 3,4,5,6 > > 3.. Sugar can cause can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline, > hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in > children.7,8 > > 4.. Sugar can produce a significant rise in total cholesterol, > triglycerides and bad cholesterol and a decrease in good > cholesterol.9,10,11,12 > It's one of the unfortunate side-effects of allowing big business to gain control of things........ In this case the food-chain. From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 1 12:57:53 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 1 13:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Nebraska Debates Concealed Handgun Legislation Message-ID: (Copied from another news group. Read down) >> NEBRASKA >> LB 454, also known as the "Concealed Handgun Permit Act," should be >> voted on >> next week. Please continue to contact your Senator and urge him or >> her to >> support a cloture vote on this important legislation. Your phone >> call can >> help make Right-to-Carry a reality in the Cornhusker State! To >> contact your >> Senator, please call (402) 271-2271. >> > Check out the amendment to LB454 - here's the link: > http://www.unicam.state.ne.us/Amendment/AM_1238.pdf > > > AM1238 AM1238 > > LB454 LB 454 > > NPN-04-19 NPN-04-19 > > AMENDMENTS TO LB 454 > > (Amendments to Standing Committee amendments, AM0810) > > 1 1. Insert the following new sections: > > 2 "Sec. 23. To determine the number of pistols a licensee may lawfully > carry concealed under the Concealed Handgun Permit Act or section 28-1202 > on any given occasion (except if the United States or the State of > Nebraska shall be at war), the body weight of the licensee shall be > multiplied by ten-times the licensee's (admitted) age, then divided into > the year of the licensee's birth plus one hundred thirty-seven and > one-half, then add the number of inches of the licensee's height rounded > up to the next full inch which shall be subtracted from the number of the > current century (2100), if the number of the current century exceeds the > other number, otherwise subtract the number of the current century from > the other number, then, after multiplying the size of the licensee's right > shoe by three-times the girth of the licensee's waist after a full meal, > measured and certified by a professional tailor, subtract the sum obtained > by adding together the digits in the licensee's social security number > (which number shall be made known only to the licensing authority and any > employee thereof who shall be guilty of a Class IB felony for any > unauthorized disclosure of the number to any other person), then divide > the grand total by three-fifths of the number on line 17 of the licensee's > personal income tax return (federal) for the imediately preceding year, > but if the licensee is not required by law to file a federal income tax > return or if the licensee failed to file a tax return for the immediately > preceding year and has not been indicted for failure to file a return, > this step should be disregarded and in its stead, the licensee's home > address (no post office box number is acceptable) multiplied by ten if the > address contains four or fewer digits but by six and five-tenths if such > address contains five or more digits, but in no case shall the number of > pistols carried concealed exceed the total number of the licensee's > pockets at the time of being approached, stopped, accosted, interrogated, > or otherwise contacted by any sworn law enforcement officer and any other > suitable hiding places including, but not limited to: (1) Purses, (2) tote > bags, (3) shopping bags of whatever material or variety just so the pistol > is not visible, (4) umbrellas, (5) picnic baskets, (6) beverage coolers, > (7) boots, (8) bras, (9) bloomers, (10) shorts (jockey or boxer), (11) > briefcases, (12) backpacks, (13) hidden holsters or reasonable facsimiles > thereof, (14) baggy britches, (15) billowy shirts, (16) bulky sweaters, > (17) flouncy skirts, et al., (18) coats of any and every kind and variety, > (19) wide sleeves, (20) big hair, (21) hats, (22) helmets, (23) > prostheses, (24) canes and walking sticks of any and every variety > suitable for the purpose of concealing a firearm, (25) lunch buckets or > boxes, and (26) hollowed-out books and the like. Sec. 24. Section 23 of this act shall be liberally construed to accomplish the purpose of ensuring that licensees may carry concealed the maximum number of pistols for personal protection due to paranoia and stark terror of the licensee toward the licensee's family, friends, neighbors, strangers, and possible enemy invaders. Sec. 25. Any person who violates section 23 of this act is guilty of an infraction. In addition to any other punishment imposed by the court, the defendant shall be required to go about unarmed for a number of days equal to six times the sentencing judge's age divided by the number of the courtroom where the sentence is pronounced, subtracted from two hundred fifty, and multiplied by two, but in no case fewer than one hundred eighty days. Sec. 26. If the defendant fails to comply fully and completely with the going-about-unarmed requirement of section 25 of this act, the defendant shall be taken into custody and after a hearing shall be transported by the sheriff of the county where the proceedings were had to the facility or location where the Nebraska State Patrol conducts firearms training and there the defendant's trigger finger shall be shot off by Nebraska State Senator Jeanne M. Combs using a pistol of her choice but which must be approved by the Superintendent of Law Enforcement and Public Safety. Execution of the punishment shall be without the benefit of any type of anesthesia other than flavored malt liquor. Sec. 27. In case of the death, sickness, absence, cold feet, or inability to act, then State Senator Combs shall, in writing, with the approval of the Superintendent of Law Enforcement and Public Safety, designate and appoint a suitable and competent person to act for her as shooter in any particular case. Sec. 28. Any offense punishable by the shooting off of the trigger finger must be punished according to the provisions herein made and no other. The trigger finger or any parts, portions, shreds, fragments, bits, pieces, other remnants, or leftovers shall be offered to the defendant for disposal in the manner the defendant deems appropriate, otherwise cremation shall be employed. Sec. 29. When any person shall be sentenced to have his or her trigger finger shot off, such punishment shall be inflicted in such a manner as to exclude the view of all persons save any clergyperson in attendance upon request of the defendant, the Superintendent of Law Enforcement and Public Safety or his or her designee, no more than three additional officers of the Nebraska State Patrol selected and assigned by the superintendent, any medical and other personnel deemed necessary or expedient by the superintendent or his or her designee, and no more than three representatives of the news media except that no television cameras or other photographic devices or recording devices of any kind shall be permitted at the scene of the shoot-off. In addition, the defendant may choose to allow as many as ten tickets to be auctioned to grant witnessing privileges to the ten highest bidders if the proceeds are donated to a nonprofit charity. Sec. 30. The filing of a notice of appeal shall act as a supersedeas and shall stay execution of the sentence until after all appellate proceedings have been completed and the sentence affirmed. Sec. 31. The cost of all proceedings, transportation, use of the Nebraska State Patrol facility, and any ammunition shall be borne by the defendant unless the sentence is overturned by the court." ---------- Note: There are only two states that do not permit any form of concealed handgun carry: Nebraska is one of them. We now know why - the Nebraska legislature is really a clown-college. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:47:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96483B97E1254TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > eh wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is > > Oh, right, of course, you have to multiply by .914 (or was it divide by > .914?). Yes, ok. I see now. I know you know what a metre is... I doubt most of your compatriots could tell you! > I didn't say it was unhealthy - it's surely the opposite! And you're not a > string bean? What are you then? An acorn squash? Ooo. I like it! What > kind of vegetable are you??? > GWB: yes. Had a good ride today along the coastal bike path, lots of mildly challenging hills. Do I really have to equate myself to a vegetable? LOL. Now Bush... I'd say he's a cabbage. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:47:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:50:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96483BC8EF9B8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > > How is it that you have two houses? Is the housing market in your neck of > > the woods actually slow? > > We bought when our house was under contract... Should have maybe ought to > have waited until it sold, eh? oooh... do I take it then that you also have two mortgages?! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:48:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns964851BB32823johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > news:d4v4mg$li6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > hehehehehehe... what i need then is to have his face put onto a rug > > and my goddamn cat can scoot all over it > > > > Can't..... Resist..... Sorry...... > > Hmmm, a pussy creating skid marks. :P JohnL... the new Heidi LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:48:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: we're in business! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964882E458F44TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Um, I mean I installed my keg in the fridge. Not surprisingly, it works. > Thankfully the beer is worth drinking. I hope it's a spare fridge! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:53:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d50f56$9pn$3@news.spamcop.net... > As I recall during/after the civil war in this country Lincoln's face was > placed in the bottom of many chamber pots. Really?! Was that because some folk didn't like the changes he'd brought about? > > Not if you used photo's in the public domain or did the graphic artist bit > where the work product was original. I could ask my wife to do the deed > (www.imagine-that.ws) > > Serious question How to best market the device? "want to take a piss on a Bush... then we've got the thing for you!" I'm sure they'd sell pretty well in certain circles. > Second question it's 30 + years later but what would the market be for Jane > Fonda unary appliances? Only among Vietnam vets and their families... maybe. Half the people alive now likely would have no idea what you were referring to. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:54:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 14:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d50k05$c5e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns964851BB32823johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > > news:d4v4mg$li6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > hehehehehehe... what i need then is to have his face put onto a rug > > > and my goddamn cat can scoot all over it > > > > > > > Can't..... Resist..... Sorry...... > > > > Hmmm, a pussy creating skid marks. :P > > I think that's what they used to call "chickenhawks"....LOL And she regains her crown! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:55:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d50k6a$cas$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d4u80f$7c0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > did you see the pic of the poor baby one whose complete hide you can > > apparently purchase.. poor wee thing > > > I thought I understood it to say that they only die infrequently, so they're > not always available - I'm hoping that means they don't kill them for the > hide but only take them when the babies die. I didn't notice that bit. Not so bad then. But I wonder who'd buy it? And for what? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:55:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:00:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d50k7k$cau$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sweetbreads are thymus glands, or something aren't they? Some other kind of > offal I don't eat..... yeah, so it turns out From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 12:56:03 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d50k8l$cb2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "My lips are sealed"..... > > > > now you're making my eyes water LOL > > 'specially after long bike ride to the beach, eh? *snurk* Oh you're on a roll eh? LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 13:00:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d50kf9$cdh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns964851BB32823johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > > news:d4v4mg$li6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > hehehehehehe... what i need then is to have his face put onto a rug > > > and my goddamn cat can scoot all over it > > > > > > > Can't..... Resist..... Sorry...... > > > > Hmmm, a pussy creating skid marks. :P > > BWAHAHH.... > http://www.nhgazette.com/news/chickenhawks/chickenhawk_headquarters/ I wonder do we want to know why Lewis Libby is nicknamed 'scooter'... ? The image just fills me with horror LOL... imagine him 'scooting' around the oval office From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 13:04:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-110709.19531930042005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > > h wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is > > Me! Me! It's that thing on the wall outside my house that the man from > the electric company reads every month. no no.. surely that's a meter?! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 1 13:05:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 1 15:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9648CBC7144F7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > > In article , > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > >> h wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is > > > > Me! Me! It's that thing on the wall outside my house that the man from > > the electric company reads every month. > > h wot? So, you live, like, in the stone age, or something? They don't > read your meters directly from their secret bunkers??? LOL@secret bunkers From johnl at spamcop.net Sun May 1 20:11:13 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun May 1 15:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:d5390p$jm0$1 @news.spamcop.net: > imagine him 'scooting' around the > oval office Now _that's_ disgusting!!! :P From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 1 17:04:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 1 16:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | > | >> h wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is | > | > Me! Me! It's that thing on the wall outside my house that the man from | > the electric company reads every month. | | No! No! That's a metER not a metRE Mine's a bit higher on the wall but if you're that short I'll leave a box by the back gate. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun May 1 18:41:07 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 1 17:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: In article , "Miss Betsy" wrote: > IIRC, it is illegal to have sex if you know you have AIDS and also > to give blood. Cite? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun May 1 19:48:43 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 1 18:50:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Declassifying U.S. military documents by cutting-and-pasting Message-ID: If the wars of the future will be fought in cyberspace, the U.S. military is in trouble. It doesn't even know how to properly use Adobe Acrobat. From the Washington Monthly: > SGRENA REPORT GOODIES....The U.S. military released a report last week > clearing American troops in the March gunfire incident that injured Italian > journalist Giuliana Sgrena and killed Nicola Calipari, an Italian > intelligence agent, as they were driving to the Baghdad airport. Italian > reaction has been outraged, and the Italian government is expected to issue a > report on Monday contradicting many of the U.S. findings. > > But here's a question: do you think the Italian computer whizzes will be any > more competent than their American counterparts when they release their > report? The U.S. report is full of redactions, as you can see in the picture > above, but once again an American agency has used the searchable PDF format > to distribute a report, and all you have to do is save the report as a text > file in order to recover all the redacted parts. > > For example, the name of the third person in the car is Andrea Carpani. Was > there any reason to keep this a secret? Beats me. But they didn't do a very > good job of it. > > Another section describes the methods used by insurgents to place bombs along > "Route Irish," the road to the Baghdad airport, including: positioning > explosives alongside guard rails, staging equipment in vehicles or near > overpasses, wrapping explosives in brown paper bags, using timers, etc. I > can't imagine that this stuff is even remotely worth classifying, since these > techniques are obvious to anyone who thinks about how to place explosives for > more than a minute or two, but for some reason they were redacted. ... You can declassify the document yourself by downloading it at: Or you can download it with the work already done at: -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 1 19:43:44 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 1 19:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Bush Social Security Plan Sucks Message-ID: Bush has proposed a progressive-based benefits plan for Social Security. An analysis of the numbers Bush proposes shows that, for the upper brackets, retirees would get only 60% of what they would get under the current system. Well, screw that! If nothing is done about SS, the system will be able to pay out only 75% of current benefits in 2018 (2042?) and beyond. I'd rather have 75% of current benefits than 60%! From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:07:09 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d538il$jd9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Second question it's 30 + years later but what would the market be for > Jane > > Fonda unary appliances? > > Only among Vietnam vets and their families... maybe. Half the people alive > now likely would have no idea what you were referring to. Of all the people to be mad at for the Vietnam war (like the ones that got us into it in the first place), I can't understand why she is still a focal point. She's admitted her lapse of judgement and apologized for it, have any of the politicians done that? From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:07:59 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d538kb$jde$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I think that's what they used to call "chickenhawks"....LOL > > And she regains her crown! Well, you know what a whore I am for jewels... ;D From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:08:32 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9649862518D53johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:d5390p$jm0$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > imagine him 'scooting' around the > > oval office > > Now _that's_ disgusting!!! :P LOL.....he must go through a lot of underwear.... From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:11:41 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-156B85.15360501052005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > > > Well, the fact that you were no longer ingesting all that sugar probably is > > the reason. What you're *replacing* the sugar with is not exactly healthy, > > but not consuming sugar will give you the same results. > > Stevia is the only one listed as safe on the page you referenced that > would actually reduce my sugar intake. All the other ones are just > different forms of unrefined sugars. No, what I meant was NOT DRINKING sugared sodas is what had the impact on your triglycerides, you are ingesting less sugar. The fact that you are replacing with garbage like Splenda and aspartame is another problem in itself, but the fact remains when you stop consuming sugar, your health will improve. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:14:08 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 1 20:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bush Social Security Plan Sucks References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d53pj7$s4r$1@news.spamcop.net... | Bush has proposed a progressive-based benefits plan for Social Security. | | An analysis of the numbers Bush proposes shows that, for the upper brackets, | retirees would get only 60% of what they would get under the current system. | | Well, screw that! | | If nothing is done about SS, the system will be able to pay out only 75% of | current benefits in 2018 (2042?) and beyond. | | I'd rather have 75% of current benefits than 60%! | If we were not engaged in Iraq you could have 100% and a decent medical program and likely cheaper fuel From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:12:45 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d538mj$jel$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I didn't notice that bit. Not so bad then. But I wonder who'd buy it? And > for what? > someone who needs a rug for a small room??? From bitbucket at spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:13:25 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 1 20:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d538o2$jer$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d50k8l$cb2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "My lips are sealed"..... > > > > > > now you're making my eyes water LOL > > > > 'specially after long bike ride to the beach, eh? *snurk* > > Oh you're on a roll eh? LOL It's ok, they never last long..... :D From johnl at spamcop.net Mon May 2 01:22:41 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun May 1 20:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:d53rio$t4s$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d538o2$jer$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Oh you're on a roll eh? LOL > > It's ok, they never last long..... :D > > Well, get better batteries. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 1 21:59:14 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 1 21:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-0C83B8.17410701052005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > IIRC, it is illegal to have sex if you know you have AIDS and also > > to give blood. > > Cite? Canadian A person who does an unlawful act, or fails to discharge a legal duty, thereby endangering the lives, safety, or health of the public, or causing physical injury to any person, commits a "common nuisance." This indictable offence carries a maximum penalty of two years in prison (Criminal Code, section 180). This charge has been laid in several cases involving people with HIV/AIDS who put others at risk of contracting HIV. In the first HIV-related criminal prosecution in Canada, an HIV-positive man was charged for donating blood to the Red Cross (Thornton, 1989). All other prosecutions for common nuisance have involved sexual activity by HIV-positive persons. In the Summer (1989) and Kreider (1993) cases, the accused men pleaded guilty to the charge for having had unprotected sex without disclosing their HIV infection. US Unless they are lucky enough to qualify for special waivers, all of these afflicted people are barred from the United States by law After a cursory search for US laws like the above Canadian laws, perhaps what I am remembering is either talk about enacting such laws or possibly someone suing in civil court. The CDC site mentions counseling for those who tested HIV positive who tried to give blood and it seems that now the possibility of contracting AIDS through donated blood is extremely low. While it may not be illegal exactly, it is not permitted. Or it is illegal for the collector to collect HIV positive blood or, at least, they must test for it. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 1 23:23:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 1 22:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | US | Unless they are lucky enough to qualify for special waivers, all of | these afflicted people are barred from the United States by law | | After a cursory search for US laws like the above Canadian laws, | perhaps what I am remembering is either talk about enacting such | laws or possibly someone suing in civil court. The CDC site | mentions counseling for those who tested HIV positive who tried to | give blood and it seems that now the possibility of contracting | AIDS through donated blood is extremely low. While it may not be | illegal exactly, it is not permitted. Or it is illegal for the | collector to collect HIV positive blood or, at least, they must | test for it. | Sometime back before my health and the drugs I take forced me to stop donating the blood centers would take everyone's blood but gave each donor a card with a blood tracing number and a phone number they could call to ask that the donated blood be discarded no questions asked. I'm told this was to spare anyone who felt compelled to go through the donation process the complicatons of being singled out. This was quite some time back so I don't know the current practice. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon May 2 00:44:19 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 1 23:45:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > Of all the people to be mad at for the Vietnam war (like the ones that got > us into it in the first place), I can't understand why she is still a focal > point. She's admitted her lapse of judgement and apologized for it, have > any of the politicians done that? When nations lose wars, there's always a search for a scapegoat. Hitler rose to power by blaming the loss of WWI on the Jews, for example. So when the U.S. lost the Vietnam war, the seatch began. Those who supported the war, who believed it was the right thing to do, couldn't very well blame the people responsible--the government officials who got the country involved in Vietnam and who insisted beyond all logic that the U.S. had to remain. Helped along by the media, which for the most part supported the war, the anger was focused on the anti-war movement. The people in the movement were so _different_ from the mainstream, with their rock music, drugs, hippie culture, radical politics, etc. There were already a large number of people who hated the counterculture, so it was easy to exploit that hatred by making the movement the scapegoat for the loss of the war. Jane Fonda was active in the anti-war movement, true, but there was more to it than that. Being the daughter of Henry Fonda, a man seen by many as a fine, upstanding American, she was viewed as a traitor to what her father stood for. She was an actress, too. In the '60s, actors and actresses weren't supposed to be political. (The communist witchhunts of the '50s was designed to teach them that lesson.) But worse than that, actresses weren't supposed to have brains. They were just supposed to look good on the screen. She was seen as betraying her gender role. So she not only drew the enmity directed toward the anti-war movement, she was a target of those who opposed the women's liberation movement. And finally, in Fonda's case there are the pictures of her in North Vietnam. Even in the case of the most vocal opponents of the war, there aren't any photos that crystallize their actions. Sure, Hoffman, Rubin, Hayden and the others may have marched in front of the Pentagon or demonstrated at the '68 Democratic National Convention, but what they did they did here in the U.S. Others went to North Vietnam during the war, but they weren't as well known as she, so if there were any photos of their visits they didn't get a lot of play in the media. Fonda's did because she was a celebrity. Fonda became a lightning rod for hatred because she represented several different unpopular movements. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From johnl at spamcop.net Mon May 2 05:00:06 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon May 2 00:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- EBB192.23441901052005@news.cesmail.net: > When nations lose wars, there's always a search for a scapegoat. Sorry, Jane Fonda isn't hated as a scapegoat. She is hated (at least by some who where there) because when she went over to North Vietnam and seen the POW's, the POW's thought she was on their 'side', or at least had compassion for them. When they tried to give her their names and other information to take back home to their families, she turned that info over to their captors, who in turn made them suffer even more. So how can a person like that be seen as a "good" person? Nothing about the war and who was right, but to cause more pain to someone that was a captive and to cause even more pain to a family who might have received the first word that their loved one was still alive, well, that person is amongst the lowest of scum in many people's eyes, even to this day. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 2 07:00:09 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon May 2 07:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d542uu$1kb$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sometime back before my health and the drugs I take forced me to stop > donating the blood centers would take everyone's blood but gave each donor a > card with a blood tracing number and a phone number they could call to ask > that the donated blood be discarded no questions asked. > > I'm told this was to spare anyone who felt compelled to go through the > donation process the complicatons of being singled out. > > This was quite some time back so I don't know the current practice. This is what the Red Cross site says: "When you walk into a blood drive, you'll begin at the registration table where you must present identification. Then you will read some important information, which will help you determine whether you are eligible to donate blood that day and you will complete a form with nearly 50 questions about your health history. Once your eligibility is determined, you will head to our “health history” section, where we will give you a mini-physical examination, which includes taking your temperature, blood pressure, pulse and a drop of your blood to be sure you have enough iron to donate safely. If you are allergic to iodine, tape or natural latex rubber, tell the interviewer, so that the donation staff can substitute other materials. You'll be asked about past and present health and lifestyle, and we will answer any questions you may have. Depending on your answers, you may be restricted from donating, either temporarily or permanently. This interview is private and confidential. " and "Every unit of blood goes through at least nine tests to ensure patient safety." This is from another site about all blood collection agencies: "FDA can order a recall of hazardous blood products, issue warning letters, seize products, suspend or revoke the establishment's license, or take other legal actions that can result in civil or criminal penalties against the establishment and its officials." I can't find the CDC site I had last night but just came across this information: "Assuming that each of the 13.6 million allogeneic units of blood donated annually in the United States is converted on average to 1.45 transfusable components, our data indicate that the implementation of minipool nucleic acid screening likely prevented about 5 cases of transfusion-transmitted HIV-1 infection and 56 cases of HCV infection annually. The documented findings are consistent with the those predicted from mathematical models. Despite the fact that these rates are relatively low and have remained stable for five years, implementation of these tests was consistent with the goal of maximizing blood safety. It has been estimated that nucleic acid screening has reduced the residual risk of transfusion-associated infection for both HIV-1 and HCV to about 1 in 2 million blood units from repeated donors. This is a reduction from rates of 1 in 276,000 for HCV and 1 in 1.5 million for HIV-1 with the use of serologic testing alone......Because blood centers had already implemented nucleic acid--amplification testing for HIV-1 and HCV, it was feasible in 2003, in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FDA and with the rapid development of nucleic acid--amplification tests by manufacturers, to implement screening for West Nile virus in less than nine months. Results indicate that close to 1000 donors with West Nile virus infection were identified by nucleic acid--amplification testing in 2003 and their donations discarded, probably preventing more than 1000 transfusion-related infections. " Miss Betsy From mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com Mon May 2 08:26:50 2005 From: mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com (mikeyhsd) Date: Mon May 2 08:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bush Social Security Plan Sucks References: Message-ID: worse part, he wll never use SS. his kids will never use it. so why does he care so much. gotta be something the public does not know about going on. mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d53pj7$s4r$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bush has proposed a progressive-based benefits plan for Social Security. > > An analysis of the numbers Bush proposes shows that, for the upper > brackets, retirees would get only 60% of what they would get under the > current system. > > Well, screw that! > > If nothing is done about SS, the system will be able to pay out only 75% > of current benefits in 2018 (2042?) and beyond. > > I'd rather have 75% of current benefits than 60%! > > > --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0518-0, 05/02/2005 Tested on: 5/2/2005 7:26:51 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 12:49:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 11:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9649DFD195067johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > Sorry, Jane Fonda isn't hated as a scapegoat. > > She is hated (at least by some who where there) because when she went over > to North Vietnam and seen the POW's, the POW's thought she was on their > 'side', or at least had compassion for them. > When they tried to give her their names and other information to take back > home to their families, she turned that info over to their captors, who in > turn made them suffer even more. Unless you know this personally as fact, it's supposedly not true: http://mediamatters.org/items/200504210006 Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt, revived the baseless claim that actress and anti-Vietnam War activist Jane Fonda passed secret notes given to her by American prisoners of war to their Vietnamese captors, resulting in the POWs' torture and murder. In fact, the only surviving POW named in the rumor reportedly says he never met Fonda and that the accusation is "a figment of somebody's imagination." On the April 20 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Hunt stated: HUNT: This is about forgiving a woman who took notes from guys that were tortured for years, six, seven, eight, nine years, like [Sen. John] McCain [R-AZ], and take the note and give it to -- give it to their prisoner -- their guard. That is unconscionable. I'm not sure she can be forgiven. The accusation against Fonda apparently originates from a chain letter that has been widely circulated via email. According to the letter: [The POWs] had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN [Social Security number] on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. [Larry] Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day. But Carrigan does not corroborate the letter's claims. David Emery of the Urban Legends and Folklore website at about.com has written: "It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, whom I reached by phone at his home in Arizona. Carrigan, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967, says he has no idea why this story was attributed to him. "I never met Jane Fonda," he told me. It goes without saying he never handed her a secret message. The quotes attributed to Carrigan in Emery's account refuting the rumor have been published in several newspapers, including the September 19, 2000, edition of the Oregonian and the May 25, 2001, edition of the New York Daily News. Emery also debunked another baseless attack on Fonda from the chain letter -- that another former POW, Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll, spat on Fonda in Vietnam and was severely beaten for his actions. As Emery noted, Driscoll called the accusation "the product of a very vivid imagination." From johnl at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:52:40 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon May 2 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:d55i6u$4c2$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Unless you know this personally as fact, it's supposedly not true: > http://mediamatters.org/items/200504210006 Uh, guess it's time for me to take a break from this. I really feel like shit after reading what you posted. Usually I _do_ check things out before believing them, but this time I didn't. Don't ask why, maybe _I_ was looking for a scapegoat myself. ......... need time to think............... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 14:25:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > h wot? So, you live, like, in the stone age, or something? They > > don't read your meters directly from their secret bunkers??? > > LOL@secret bunkers You think you're joking.....but Charles is close to being correct. My ex g/f from.....jeez, how long ago *was* that? 1999-2000? Anyway, moot point. She worked in the local power company's main ops center, and it _was_ a bunker in the basement of the main building. Thick concrete walls, steel blast door, no windows, shielded walls, and armed guards out front. And this was _before_ 9/11. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 14:28:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 13:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message nothing is 100% except abstinence. Humph. Like the 6-9 > > months of my marriage! ;-) > > LOL, that bad huh? I've dated a lot of recently divorced wimmin since then, and it seems it's pretty common for the last year or so of the marriage for most folks to be like that, separate bedrooms and all. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 15:11:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 14:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | > Sometime back before my health and the drugs I take forced me to stop > donating the blood centers would take everyone's blood but gave each > donor a card with a blood tracing number and a phone number they > could call to ask that the donated blood be discarded no questions > asked. > > I'm told this was to spare anyone who felt compelled to go through the > donation process the complicatons of being singled out. > > This was quite some time back so I don't know the current practice. You have to fill out a questionnaire that asks if you practice certain risky behaviors. If you answer yes to any of them they refuse to take your blood. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 15:13:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 14:15:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > IIRC, it is illegal to have sex if you know you have AIDS and also > > to give blood. > > Cite? I'm not going to bother looking it up, but I know that I have read news stories about HIV positive men being criminally charged for having unprotected sex with others (assault? attempted murder? I forget). Infecting someone with any other STD is a civil case, like Michael Vick, aka "Ron Mexico", being sued by some Atlanta woman for giving her genital herpes. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 15:30:53 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 14:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d4uj5s$d3b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > LOL. I'm not sure I want to know precisely what that refers to ;o) > > "My lips are sealed"..... You ain't gettin' any either, huh? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 15:32:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 2 14:35:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > Sorry mate, I'll re-phrase that......... > > I take it you haven't seen many pictures of buffalo then...?? > Just in Vietnam war movies. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:16:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:20:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: we're in business! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9649B5AD26BA1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns964882E458F44TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > >> Um, I mean I installed my keg in the fridge. Not surprisingly, it > >> works. Thankfully the beer is worth drinking. > > > > I hope it's a spare fridge! > > What? Are you kidding me? I drilled right through the fridge! was the door stuck? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:17:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:20:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9649B900940D4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns96483BC8EF9B8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > >> We bought when our house was under contract... Should have maybe > >> ought to have waited until it sold, eh? > > > > oooh... do I take it then that you also have two mortgages?! > > Of course not. We have 4 of them! I mean, why not have a secondary on > every property you own, right? Rates are so low and bla bla bla... *stunned look* I do hope you're joking! [like dude... what happens when the rates go up?] From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:21:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:25:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bush Social Security Plan Sucks References: Message-ID: "mikeyhsd" wrote in message news:d556a0$q4c$1@news.spamcop.net... > worse part, he wll never use SS. his kids will never use it. > so why does he care so much. > gotta be something the public does not know about going on. that's a given From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:24:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:25:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bush Social Security Plan Sucks References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d53pj7$s4r$1@news.spamcop.net... > Bush has proposed a progressive-based benefits plan for Social Security. > > An analysis of the numbers Bush proposes shows that, for the upper brackets, > retirees would get only 60% of what they would get under the current system. > > Well, screw that! > > If nothing is done about SS, the system will be able to pay out only 75% of > current benefits in 2018 (2042?) and beyond. > > I'd rather have 75% of current benefits than 60%! Well good lord... can it be that you, of all people, are critical of your Messiah? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:26:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d53r8i$t1d$1@news.spamcop.net... > Of all the people to be mad at for the Vietnam war (like the ones that got > us into it in the first place), I can't understand why she is still a focal > point. She's admitted her lapse of judgement and apologized for it, have > any of the politicians done that? a politician apologize?! that'd be a first From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:27:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d53r9j$t1g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Now _that's_ disgusting!!! :P > > LOL.....he must go through a lot of underwear.... well hell.. I hope he removes the underwear before scooting... no point doing it otherwise! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:29:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:30:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d53rhg$t4p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d538mj$jel$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I didn't notice that bit. Not so bad then. But I wonder who'd buy it? And > > for what? > > > someone who needs a rug for a small room??? with the head still attached? LOL.. if it was a small room I'd probably be constantly tripping over the head LOL. I remember as a kid rugs with say leopard heads on them were popular. I doubt any I saw were real but you never know. Quite horrid really, poor creatures. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:40:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns964A6EA89E865johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:d55i6u$4c2$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > Unless you know this personally as fact, it's supposedly not true: > > http://mediamatters.org/items/200504210006 > > Uh, guess it's time for me to take a break from this. > > I really feel like shit after reading what you posted. > Usually I _do_ check things out before believing them, but this time I > didn't. Don't ask why, maybe _I_ was looking for a scapegoat myself. > > ......... need time to think............... I daresay that being so close to the issue yourself made you jump to conclusions, perhaps because you lost friends. The only one who should feel like a shit is the asshole spreading the lies in the first place. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 13:48:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 15:50:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d55nvm$7bi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > "indigo" wrote in message > nothing is 100% except abstinence. Humph. Like the 6-9 > > > months of my marriage! ;-) > > > > LOL, that bad huh? > > I've dated a lot of recently divorced wimmin since then, and it seems it's > pretty common for the last year or so of the marriage for most folks to be > like that, separate bedrooms and all. yabbut... if your marriage only lasted 9 months as implied above... LOL (or did you miss out a 'last' in there somewhere?) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon May 2 16:55:40 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon May 2 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: In article , JohnL wrote: > When they tried to give her their names and other information to take back > home to their families, she turned that info over to their captors, who in > turn made them suffer even more. John, that's a myth according to snopes.com, which is vehemently anti-Fonda: > ... The most serious accusations in the piece quoted above, that Fonda turned > over slips of paper furtively given her by American POWs to the North > Vietnamese and that several POWs were beaten to death as a result, are > untrue. Those named in the inflammatory e-mail categorically deny the events > they supposedly were part of. > > "It's a figment of somebody's imagination," says Ret. Col. Larry Carrigan, > one of the servicemen mentioned in the 'slips of paper' incident. Carrigan > was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and did spend time in a POW camp. He > has no idea why the story was attributed to him, saying, "I never met Jane > Fonda." > > The tale about a defiant serviceman who spit at Jane Fonda and is severely > beaten as a result is often attributed to Air Force pilot Jerry Driscoll. He > has repeatedly stated on the record that it did not originate with him. > > Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, also stepped forward to disclaim the > story: > > "Please excuse the generic response, but I have been swamped with so many > e-mails on the subject of the Jane Fonda article (Carrigan, Driscoll, strips > of paper, torture and deaths of POWs, etc.) that I have to resort to this > pre-scripted rebuttal. The truth is that most of this never happened. This is > a hoax story placed on the internet by unknown Fonda haters. No one knows who > initiated the story. Please assist by not propagating the story. Fonda did > enough bad things to assure her a correct place in the garbage dumps of > history. We don't want to be party to false stories, which could be used as > an excuse that her real actions didn't really happen either. I have spoken > with all the parties named: Carrigan, Driscoll, et al. They all state that > this particular internet story is a hoax and they wish to disassociate their > names from the false story." ... -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon May 2 16:58:52 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon May 2 16:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: In article , Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > No way it was me! It was "D.F. Manno" ! > > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > >> h wot? I wonder how many americans even know what a metre is > > > > Me! Me! It's that thing on the wall outside my house that the man from > > the electric company reads every month. > > h wot? So, you live, like, in the stone age, or something? They don't > read your meters directly from their secret bunkers??? Honestly, I have no idea. I live in an apartment building. I don't even know where the meters are, let alone how they're read. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam Mon May 2 17:07:32 2005 From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Mon May 2 16:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: somebody wrote: > I've dated a lot of recently divorced wimmin since then, > and it seems it's pretty common for the last year or so > of the marriage for most folks to be like that, separate > bedrooms and all. That could explain the growth of sites like Ashley Madison where married people seek external affairs. Sadly, where on most "singles" dating sites it is like fishing for trout in the Balkans... single guys get literally pounced upon at those sites. Sigh... ---- Read my latest book: Pater Familias http://www.dwacon.com/publications/pater_familias.asp From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:51:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns964A6EA89E865johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > Uh, guess it's time for me to take a break from this. > > I really feel like shit after reading what you posted. > Usually I _do_ check things out before believing them, but this time I > didn't. Don't ask why, maybe _I_ was looking for a scapegoat myself. > > ......... need time to think............... You're not alone in believing it though, so don't feel bad. It was a crappy time in our history, everything was ass backwards. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:52:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 16:55:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d55uu8$b08$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d53r9j$t1g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Now _that's_ disgusting!!! :P > > > > LOL.....he must go through a lot of underwear.... > > well hell.. I hope he removes the underwear before scooting... no point > doing it otherwise! Well yeah there is, it'd keep the carpet cleaner....... ;D From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:53:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 16:55:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d55rku$92u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "My lips are sealed"..... > > You ain't gettin' any either, huh? BWAHAHAHA............ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:53:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 16:55:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: stats for Borg References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d55rnd$94g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: > > > > Sorry mate, I'll re-phrase that......... > > > > I take it you haven't seen many pictures of buffalo then...?? > > > > Just in Vietnam war movies. How long are you going to beat that dead horse, Buffalo Breath? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:55:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 2 17:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d55usk$avu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d53r8i$t1d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Of all the people to be mad at for the Vietnam war (like the ones that > got > > us into it in the first place), I can't understand why she is still a > focal > > point. She's admitted her lapse of judgement and apologized for it, have > > any of the politicians done that? > > a politician apologize?! that'd be a first I did hear someone, high ranking military and it'll kill me till I remember his name, say that he thought Vietnam was a mistake, wished we'd never gone in. Sort of an apology.. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 16:55:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Dwayne Conyers" wrote in message news:d561a5$cco$1@news.spamcop.net... > somebody wrote: > > > I've dated a lot of recently divorced wimmin since then, > > and it seems it's pretty common for the last year or so > > of the marriage for most folks to be like that, separate > > bedrooms and all. > > That could explain the growth of sites like Ashley Madison where married > people seek external affairs. > > Sadly, where on most "singles" dating sites it is like fishing for trout in > the Balkans... single guys get literally pounced upon at those sites. > > Sigh... hehehehehe... I can almost hear the door slamming as Indi runs off to join up From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 16:56:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:00:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d563u7$dp3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns964A6EA89E865johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > > > Uh, guess it's time for me to take a break from this. > > > > I really feel like shit after reading what you posted. > > Usually I _do_ check things out before believing them, but this time I > > didn't. Don't ask why, maybe _I_ was looking for a scapegoat myself. > > > > ......... need time to think............... > > You're not alone in believing it though, so don't feel bad. It was a crappy time in > our history, everything was ass backwards. I wonder if the current period will go down as a 'crappy time'... methinks it will. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 16:57:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:00:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d563u9$dp4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > well hell.. I hope he removes the underwear before scooting... no point > > doing it otherwise! > > Well yeah there is, it'd keep the carpet cleaner....... ;D LOL.. ain't much use in scootin' if you're not gonna... well let's not go there... I don't think my cat has any concern for the cleanliness of the carpet when he's busy draggin' his ass across it From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:04:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] I can't believe they're actually doing this! Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/life_evolution_dc "I feel like I'm in a time warp here," said Topeka attorney Pedro Irigonegaray who has agreed to defend evolution as valid science. "To debate evolution is similar to debating whether the Earth is round. It is an absurd proposition." what's to debate?! a story versus credible science... gee, which one should we teach children? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:05:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964AC0A7F127TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> > > >> > h wot? So, you live, like, in the stone age, or something? They > >> > don't read your meters directly from their secret bunkers??? > >> > >> LOL@secret bunkers > > > > You think you're joking.....but Charles is close to being correct. > > I knew I was - I've worked in R&D for a HUGE electric co... but are they secret? bunker is understandable, secret seems a little unnecessary From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 2 17:10:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon May 2 19:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964AC1D86AAEBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > I already told you, we had a solid offer on the house when we bought the > new one. We used the second on the first as a DP on the third. We got the > fourth on the second b/c that's the way you do it when you buy a new place > and plan to roll large sums of cash from the old place into it. See? I understand what you did but... Not really, no. It looks like a recipe for disaster. Is one of them rented out? I can't quite understand why a lender would give you a second mortgage on a house you were presumably about to sell. Or why the lender on the second house would immediately give you yet another loan against it, especially when you're not exactly raking in the cash! It's fiscally irresponsible of them [greed] and though I understand you were kinda caught out, also irresponsible for you to have done it. I hope it doesn't end up ruining you. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon May 2 20:25:01 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon May 2 19:30:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d56bll$ht2$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/life_evolution_dc > > "I feel like I'm in a time warp here," said Topeka attorney Pedro > Irigonegaray who has agreed to defend evolution as valid science. "To > debate > evolution is similar to debating whether the Earth is round. It is an > absurd > proposition." > > what's to debate?! a story versus credible science... gee, which one > should > we teach children? > Yeah...leaves little doubt as to the value of an American education these days. We're debating questions/science that have been settled for eighty years while the Chinese, Indians, and the rest of the world laugh at the religious retards we're becoming. Small wonder business is moving overseas and fewer foreigners want an education here. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 2 18:13:42 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 2 20:15:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > what's to debate?! a story versus credible science... gee, which one > should we teach children? Simple Darwinian evolution probably shouldn't even be taught as a high school course - as the history of the theories and studies of evolution is a more complicated story than appropriate for that curriculum. Advanced scientific critics of Darwinian evolution, including Stephen J. Gould and others create problems for Darwinists. Those problems will be exaggerated by 'biblicists'.. Perhaps there could be more study of the history of the 'synthesis' and corruption of the bibles and proto-bibles, and also the history of the many creation theories as a part of the history of major religions and prehistory, except that that story is perhaps also too complex for that curriculum, to say nothing of an 'appropriateness' problem.. I don't think it is necessary to teach 'evolution' - whatever that is, exactly - as a part of the sciences of biology or anthropology at the highschool level -- nor do I think it is useful to teach creationism as a part of anything other than the history of religions. Concepts like 'ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny' as they involve what can be learned from embryology and comparative anatomy can be thoroughly examined across various domains, kingdoms, phylums and other taxonomic classifications without even mentioning evolution. There's actually not even any need for evolutionary theories in all of that for high school courses -- and certainly no need for creationism. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bitbucket at spamcop.net Mon May 2 21:26:11 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon May 2 20:35:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Oh...my....GAWD...... Message-ID: http://insider.tv.yahoo.com/celeb/2005/05/02/jocelynwildenstein2/ And yes, SHE has a gorgeous new boyfriend......WTF is wrong with this world? "Sometimes you feel like a change, like a new look for yourself," she tells international interviewer Daphne Barak. From heybub at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:48:07 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon May 2 21:50:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> what's to debate?! a story versus credible science... gee, which one >> should we teach children? > > Simple Darwinian evolution probably shouldn't even be taught as a high > school course - as the history of the theories and studies of > evolution is a more complicated story than appropriate for that > curriculum. Advanced scientific critics of Darwinian evolution, > including Stephen J. Gould and others create problems for Darwinists. > Those problems will be exaggerated by 'biblicists'.. > > Perhaps there could be more study of the history of the 'synthesis' > and corruption of the bibles and proto-bibles, and also the history > of the many creation theories as a part of the history of major > religions and prehistory, except that that story is perhaps also too > complex for that curriculum, to say nothing of an 'appropriateness' > problem.. > > I don't think it is necessary to teach 'evolution' - whatever that is, > exactly - as a part of the sciences of biology or anthropology at the > highschool level -- nor do I think it is useful to teach creationism > as a part of anything other than the history of religions. > > Concepts like 'ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny' as they involve what > can be learned from embryology and comparative anatomy can be > thoroughly examined across various domains, kingdoms, phylums and > other taxonomic classifications without even mentioning evolution. > > There's actually not even any need for evolutionary theories in all of > that for high school courses -- and certainly no need for creationism. Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" or the "Theory of Electricity" or the "Theory of Relativity." Only after a couple of hundred years of not a single person complaining about the underlying notions does a "theory" become a "law," as in the "Law of Universal Gravitation." To a non-scientist, a "theory" is speculation, hypothesis, guess-work. So, when a creationist says to a scientist: "Evolution is only a theory" and the scientist responds "You're right," they are talking about two completely different concepts. From heybub at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:52:23 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon May 2 21:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bush Social Security Plan Sucks References: Message-ID: mikeyhsd wrote: > worse part, he wll never use SS. his kids will never use it. > so why does he care so much. > gotta be something the public does not know about going on. > He who? If you mean Bush, well, because he cares. If you mean me, I'm greedy. Social Security is not means tested - you pay in, you get back. Everybody. Well, everybody who applies for it, I guess. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 2 20:10:04 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 2 22:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify > some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." > > To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, > objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" or > the "Theory of Electricity" or the "Theory of Relativity." Only after > a couple of hundred years of not a single person complaining about > the underlying notions does a "theory" become a "law," as in the "Law > of Universal Gravitation." > > To a non-scientist, a "theory" is speculation, hypothesis, guess-work. > > So, when a creationist says to a scientist: "Evolution is only a > theory" and the scientist responds "You're right," they are talking > about two completely different concepts. There are theories and then there are theories. Some theories carry the imprimatur of law. Other theories are quite theoretical. In the case of evolutionary discussions, there is a history of evolutionary thought. There was evolutionary theory/thinking before Darwin, but his 'natural selection' business in 'Origin..' was seminal, but 'deficient' for a number of reasons -- and those deficiencies were fleshed out and structured better in the 19th & 20th centuries -- remember that Origin was published in 1859. Mendel's work on inheritance was published before that, but needed to be 'rediscovered' in the 20th century. Then 'evolution' started reaching out into the origin of life, and got more complicated by the realizations [by some, not others] that natural selection was a very incomplete explanation, and molecular biology didn't really get going to help with some mechanics until Watson & Crick. Then came Gould and his 'punctuated equilibrium' to try to deal with things like the Cambrian Explosion and such. The theory [theories] of evolution is/are very very dynamic, and the term can't be encompassed by a single or simplistic concept. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Mon May 2 22:50:07 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 2 22:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Idiot's speech References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | | I daresay that being so close to the issue yourself made you jump to | conclusions, perhaps because you lost friends. The only one who should feel | like a shit is the asshole spreading the lies in the first place. How did Carl Row get into this tread? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 2 21:25:48 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 2 23:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: The problem is that creationism is a study in mythology, past and present; whereas evolution is a study in science, also past and present. Only one of them, the scientific one, has the standing to be termed a theory, including that it is an 'evolving' dynamic one; whereas the other, mythological one, has no verifiable or substantial standing whatsoever; given that the various bibles have been shown to be products of ancient myths and the selfish designs and construction of men wanting power and property and invoking deities, singular, multiple, or 'partite', to gain such. Including modern school boards. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bitbucket at spamcop.net Tue May 3 07:39:45 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 3 06:45:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Secure borders.....not Message-ID: http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 3 07:58:21 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue May 3 07:55:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d57klf$fuv$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm > Some one approached me not too long ago and wanted my support for strengthening our borders (the southern one in particular). Her source was Fox News. She was a little bit amazed that I rarely watch TV news. I am not quite sure what it was she thought the US could do because she didn't bother to explain when I was so 'reasonable' (from my viewpoint) or 'out of it' from hers, probably. But it did sound as though it included vigilante patrols. Although this story above is a horrible story, I don't think that having secure borders is a particular deterrent for aberrent behavior. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 09:58:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 09:00:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > yabbut... if your marriage only lasted 9 months as implied above... > LOL (or did you miss out a 'last' in there somewhere?) Uhmm.....oh, oops....there was supposed to be a "last" before the 9 months.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:01:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 09:05:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > hehehehehe... I can almost hear the door slamming as Indi runs off to > join up Sadly, I'm too busy with work and home repair stuff to even think about looking for a g/f right now, and after my last two aborted relationships I need a break. But if you happen to know someone of my type, send her my way anyway ;-) From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Tue May 3 15:05:36 2005 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Tue May 3 09:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! Message-ID: Once upon a time, a blonde became so sick of hearing blonde jokes that she had her hair cut and dyed brown. A few days later, as she was out driving around the countryside, she stopped her car to let a flock of sheep pass. Admiring the cute woolly creatures, she said to the shepherd, "If I can guess how many sheep you have, can I take one?" The shepherd, always the gentleman, said, "Sure!" The blonde thought for a moment and, for no discernible reason, said, "352." This being the correct number, the shepherd was, understandably, totally amazed, and exclaimed, "You're right! O.K., I'll keep to my end of the deal. Take your pick of my flock." The blonde carefully considered the entire flock and finally picked the one that was by far cuter and more playful than any of the others. When she was done, the shepherd turned to her and said, "O.K., now I have a proposition for you. If I can guess your true hair colour, can I have my dog back?" -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 11:27:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 10:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > > Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify > some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." > > To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, > objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" or > the "Theory of Electricity" You really went to college? I'm starting to doubt it. Mr. Ohm and Mr. Newton, and Mr. Joule, among others, want to have a word with you. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 08:52:42 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 10:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > The problem is that creationism is a study in mythology, past and > present; whereas evolution is a study in science, also past and > present. I've been doing some more reading about what the debate before the Kansans is -- and how the debate is 'evolving' - heh. The current thrust is /not/ about creationism or biblicism. It is about 'intelligent design' and its proponents have taken a decidedly 'scientific' tack. There have been 3 days of testimony by the intelligent design dudes who speak very scientifically and rationally and effectively from scientific and legal backgrounds. The 3 days reserved for the evolutionists' side of the debate are apparently going to be 'bailed on' by whoevers would've testified against the others; so the only rebuttal is going to be by the non-scientific attorney who is testifying pro bono against the intelligent design scientists' points of view. It seems likely to me that the intelligent design arguments may carry the day against the 'old fashioned' evolutionists who aren't going to show up.. There are plenty of places to read about it, but the Kansas City Star has a nice collection of articles and documents as .pdf/s. The site requires reg - I used the login credentials from bugmenot lala@mailinator.com pw lalala Don't argue with /me/ about it -- I'm a decidedly secular type dude who is not into 'intelligent design'. I'm just saying that in order to win a debate you have to show up with the best arguments. IMO, in this particular debate so far, unless something changes drastically, the intelligent design side has shown up with the best arguments. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 11:52:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 3 10:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-B9ECAB.09383603052005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > > > WTF is wrong with this world? > > You know if I hadn't been told that she did it to herself > intentionally, I would have assumed that she was in a horrific car > accident or bad fire. Isn't it disgusting? They showed photos of her when she was younger, she was beautiful, now she looks like a monster, or like some caricature of a fish with enormous lips. YUCK. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 11:55:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue May 3 11:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d57snu$jtt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Sadly, I'm too busy with work and home repair stuff to even think about > looking for a g/f right now, and after my last two aborted relationships I > need a break. But if you happen to know someone of my type, send her my way > anyway ;-) > "Your type" being what, commitment-phobes? I've got the perfect girl for you, I think she lives in Georgia..... From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 08:59:35 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 11:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > There are plenty of places to read about it, but the Kansas City Star > has a nice collection of articles and documents as .pdf/s. The site > requires reg - I used the login credentials from bugmenot > lala@mailinator.com pw lalala Oops, I forgot the link http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/10768962.htm Evolution debate enters 'round two' R E L A T E D L I N K S . From Both Sides: Intelligent Design and Evolution (.pdf) . Letter: Recommendations for further revisions to the first draft of Kansas Science Education Standards . Proposed Revisions to Kansas Science Standards Draft 1 With Explanations . Kansas Science Education Standards Introduction . Second Grade Kansas Science Education Standards . Fourth Grade Kansas Science Education Standards . Eighth Grade Kansas Science Education Standards . Twelth Grade Kansas Science Education Standards . Kansas Science Education Standards Appendix -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 12:04:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 11:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > "Your type" being what, commitment-phobes? I'm no commitment phobe, I just can't the right gal to commit to! From devnull at spamcop.net Tue May 3 13:17:25 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 3 12:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" | Don't argue with /me/ about it -- I'm a decidedly secular type dude who | is not into 'intelligent design'. I'm just saying that in order to win | a debate you have to show up with the best arguments. IMO, in this | particular debate so far, unless something changes drastically, the | intelligent design side has shown up with the best arguments. The problem, to my thinking, is a group wants the power to decide how to teach 'other fokes'' children. This in the firm belief that if they can get their point across at an early enough age that 'other folks'' children will be more inclined to their beliefs. It seems to me to be more about control than faith. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:25:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:30:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d56fk1$jua$1@news.spamcop.net... > There's actually not even any need for evolutionary theories in all of > that for high school courses -- and certainly no need for creationism. Well speaking for myself, I learned the basics of evolution at a fairly young age (before high school). Most obviously in relation to how man developed. Was he plonked down on earth in a fit of creation or did he evolve from apes... and how did they evolve... and so on. It's a basic question that every child begins to wonder and I believe it should be answered ACCURATELY! There is much evidence that we evolved from ape-like creatures and going back into prehistoric eras that those mammals evolved from simple sea creatures. Let's face it, you can't create a biologist and put him through a university course if he's never learned anything about evolution. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:32:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d56qs6$qj2$1@news.spamcop.net... > The problem is that creationism is a study in mythology, past and > present; whereas evolution is a study in science, also past and > present. > > Only one of them, the scientific one, has the standing to be termed a > theory, including that it is an 'evolving' dynamic one; whereas the > other, mythological one, has no verifiable or substantial standing > whatsoever; given that the various bibles have been shown to be > products of ancient myths and the selfish designs and construction of > men wanting power and property and invoking deities, singular, multiple, > or 'partite', to gain such. Which is what is so worrying when you consider that children may be taught that creationism is fact. Plainly it is not. It was made up by men who had no scientific explanations for the wonders of the world so they came up with what seemed like a reasonable explanation. How this could possibly be passed off as fact by any self respecting teacher is beyond me. Thinking about it, it was all this creationism mumbo jumbo that made an atheist out of me. I found it be to so utterly preposterous, even at the age of 11 when I recall arguing with a Jehova's Witness friend about the matter, that it made me question the validity of the whole Bible. She had been taught by her family that creationism was the truth and I was utterly disbelieving that an otherwise intelligent girl could have been so misled. > Including modern school boards. precisely From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:35:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d56gmt$kic$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://insider.tv.yahoo.com/celeb/2005/05/02/jocelynwildenstein2/ > > And yes, SHE has a gorgeous new boyfriend......WTF is wrong with this world? > > "Sometimes you feel like a change, like a new look for yourself," she tells > international interviewer Daphne Barak. Do I take it you hadn't seen her before?And there are others out there doing the same thing. Nutters, the lot of them. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:35:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964AC6FC87EB0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Why? If you know how to find them you might come in person to complain > about your bill - that they determined automatically... Well I can do that anyway, at their local offices. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue May 3 10:40:19 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue May 3 12:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm I don't see how this is a "Secure Borders" issue at all. As the article says, "Because he is a naturalized U.S. citizen, the agents had no choice but to let Mr. Despres cross the border, said Janet Rappaport, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement." He's a US citizen who had not, according to US records, violated any laws. He crossed the border a day before the Canadians found the murdered victims, so there's no way anybody would have suspected him of any crime at that point. If he is a "suspect" or "person of interest" in this case, he should be extradited to Canada within the bounds of the laws of both the US and Canada. This does not, as far as I can tell, have anything to do with border security at all... -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:40:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964AC8389D4E8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > At signing you get a first mortgage and a second mortgage (equity loan). > The second mortgage is roughly equal to the amount you intend to net from > the sale of your other property. > And, on paper we're making very good money. On paper (tax returns) is the > only place that anything counts. So if you're making good money, why the rush to find a better job? And why doesn't the lender worry about the now non-existent equity (due to non-sale of the first house which already has a claim on its equity)? > Well, it won't. We do have equity, I do recall having said. And at least > one good job with a full-day interview scheduled this week for another. > Things should be just fine. what if the housing market crashes before you sell one or both of them? then you owe mortgage and equity mortgage on... no asset. better keep your fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:48:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d57klf$fuv$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm Well I don't know what the border agents could have done beyond what they did do. He didn't break any laws at the checkpoint, they seized all the weapons he had and they checked him against a database which came up negative. The question is why he wasn't already in the database if he was wanted for murder elsewhere in the world. I guess he changed his name and they don't check fingerprints. Had he been a foreign national, they likely wouldn't have let him pass. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:48:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:50:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d57si2$jqi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > yabbut... if your marriage only lasted 9 months as implied above... > > LOL (or did you miss out a 'last' in there somewhere?) > > Uhmm.....oh, oops....there was supposed to be a "last" before the 9 > months.... ahh well there you go! I can fully understand that... why would you want to have sex with someone you apparently dislike? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:49:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 12:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d57snu$jtt$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sadly, I'm too busy with work and home repair stuff to even think about > looking for a g/f right now, and after my last two aborted relationships I > need a break. But if you happen to know someone of my type, send her my way > anyway ;-) what ya fixin' at home? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:55:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d58390$nmv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-B9ECAB.09383603052005@frylock.local... > > In article , > > "Heidi" wrote: > > > > > WTF is wrong with this world? > > > > You know if I hadn't been told that she did it to herself > > intentionally, I would have assumed that she was in a horrific car > > accident or bad fire. > > Isn't it disgusting? They showed photos of her when she was younger, she was > beautiful, now she looks like a monster, or like some caricature of a fish with > enormous lips. YUCK. She looks like the Vogons on Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. LOL... well the lips anyway http://filmforce.ign.com/hhgttg/articles/586/586626p1.html From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 10:57:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 13:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d583tg$o9o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > > > "Your type" being what, commitment-phobes? > > I'm no commitment phobe, I just can't the right gal to commit to! Perhaps you need to base your choices more heavily on their personality before their appearance. If you don't match personality-wise, her perfect body ain't gonna be hanging around for long! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 3 18:57:33 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue May 3 13:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d58ahc$rud$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d583tg$o9o$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> > > >> > "Your type" being what, commitment-phobes? >> >> I'm no commitment phobe, I just can't the right gal to commit to! > > Perhaps you need to base your choices more heavily on their personality > before their appearance. If you don't match personality-wise, her perfect > body ain't gonna be hanging around for long! > > Are you just assuming that's what he's basing his choices on, or did he actually say that somewhere? Or do you know him really well and have seen him in action? From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 11:14:46 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 13:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> in this particular debate so far, unless something changes >> drastically, the intelligent design side has shown up with the best >> arguments. > > The problem, to my thinking, is a group wants the power to decide how > to teach 'other fokes'' children. This in the firm belief that if > they can get their point across at an early enough age that 'other > folks'' children will be more inclined to their beliefs. > > It seems to me to be more about control than faith. The intelligent design group has marshalled itself some scientifically oriented arguments and a strong organization which is going to be working at the various state levels to sell their arguments a lot more places than Kansas. This is not about creationism at all. This is going to be a persuasive force to be reckoned with by the scientific community, probably nationwide. There may be a sizable contingent of the 'science community' which is 'into' intelligent design. Certainly Einstein made a lot of statements about God that would indicate that he would've been a part or supporter of this particular group. I've found their website, but I haven't done much reading there yet. http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/ -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 11:28:43 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: >> It seems to me to be more about control than faith. > > The intelligent design group has marshalled itself some scientifically > oriented arguments and a strong organization which is going to be > working at the various state levels to sell their arguments a lot more > places than Kansas. This is not about creationism at all. I'm always amazed at how quickly wiki can develop a rather comprehensive discussion of fairly fresh subjects. There are a lot of good things to said about the wiki amongst some of the criticisms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design Intelligent design From Wikipedia -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 11:45:05 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 13:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: >> The intelligent design group has marshalled itself some >> scientifically oriented arguments and a strong organization I subscribe to the deadtree version of wired, and somehow I missed this big article -- done up in typical wired fashion. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/evolution.html The Crusade Against Evolution -- In the beginning there was Darwin. And then there was intelligent design. How the next generation of "creation science" is invading America's classrooms. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Tue May 3 14:34:09 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 3 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" | > | > The problem, to my thinking, is a group wants the power to decide how | > to teach 'other fokes'' children. This in the firm belief that if | > they can get their point across at an early enough age that 'other | > folks'' children will be more inclined to their beliefs. | > | > It seems to me to be more about control than faith. | | The intelligent design group has marshaled itself some scientifically | oriented arguments and a strong organization which is going to be | working at the various state levels to sell their arguments a lot more | places than Kansas. This is not about creationism at all. This is | going to be a persuasive force to be reckoned with by the scientific | community, probably nationwide. There may be a sizable contingent of | the 'science community' which is 'into' intelligent design. Certainly | Einstein made a lot of statements about God that would indicate that he | would've been a part or supporter of this particular group. | | I've found their website, but I haven't done much reading there yet. | http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/ Make no mistake it's the creationism in another guise. How ever you slice the augment it's putting some group's view/flavor of religious faith into the schools as part of a mandatory program of study. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 12:03:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 14:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d58beh$ses$1@news.spamcop.net... > The intelligent design group has marshalled itself some scientifically > oriented arguments and a strong organization which is going to be > working at the various state levels to sell their arguments a lot more > places than Kansas. This is not about creationism at all. This is > going to be a persuasive force to be reckoned with by the scientific > community, probably nationwide. There may be a sizable contingent of > the 'science community' which is 'into' intelligent design. Certainly > Einstein made a lot of statements about God that would indicate that he > would've been a part or supporter of this particular group. It is creationism, they've just come up with a clever name for it. If 'intelligent design' isn't creationism, what is it? They are implying that some intelligent being (ie God) designed (ie created) everything on earth. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 12:05:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 14:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d58d7c$t8q$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike Easter wrote: > > >> The intelligent design group has marshalled itself some > >> scientifically oriented arguments and a strong organization > > I subscribe to the deadtree version of wired, and somehow I missed this > big article -- done up in typical wired fashion. > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/evolution.html The Crusade > Against Evolution -- In the beginning there was Darwin. And then there > was intelligent design. How the next generation of "creation science" > is invading America's classrooms. I've got that issue lying around here somewhere and recall glancing at it with horror. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 12:06:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 14:10:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d58bed$seo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Are you just assuming that's what he's basing his choices on, or did he > actually say that somewhere? Or do you know him really well and have seen > him in action? He has said as much, yes. (ie that he's not attracted if they're not pretty good looking and they mustn't have cellulite LOL) Never met him, but I probably 'know' him better than you do (and I'm not talking in the biblical sense LOL). From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 12:48:56 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 14:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Make no mistake it's the creationism in another guise. How ever you > slice the augment it's putting some group's view/flavor of religious > faith into the schools as part of a mandatory program of study. I understand the 'bent' of the ID group and their socio-political religious persuasions. What I'm saying and what the wired article and the wiki article are saying is that the current strategy is much more sophisticated. It isn't going to be talking bible and it isn't going to be talking religion and it isn't even going to be talking god. It is going to be talking science and logic and debate and it is going to be making that talk at the level of the politically vulnerable 'forums' of school board policies and such and it is going to be able to win this particular debate in Kansas, I'll bet -- and I'll bet you should be worried about it winning the debate all over the country. This isn't old fashioned creationism. This is modern day scientific intelligent design, and it is liable to make a 'monkey' out of old fashioned Darwinism. The scientific community is going to have its hands full acting effectively against these forces, and if the Kansas misadventure is any sign of how well the scientific community is going to do, it looks pretty gloomy. It would appear that the school board provided a forum for both sides of the debate, and the debate turned out to be a showplace for ID. Bad omen. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 15:51:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 14:55:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > I can fully understand that... why would you want to have sex with > someone you apparently dislike? By that point the feelings are usually well beyone "dislike", trust me..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 15:54:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 14:55:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d57snu$jtt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sadly, I'm too busy with work and home repair stuff to even think > > about looking for a g/f right now, and after my last two aborted > > relationships I need a break. But if you happen to know someone of > > my type, send her my way anyway ;-) > > what ya fixin' at home? Rehabbing my (tiny) master bath. A contractor wanted $15-$20K to do the job! My materials cost was only $600 to replace all the fixtures and for paint, but at the cost of major pain to my body.......I'm so out of shape from my surgery that every muscle in my body hurts (although my neck is fine). From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 15:56:24 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 15:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > I'm no commitment phobe, I just can't the right gal to commit to! > > Perhaps you need to base your choices more heavily on their > personality before their appearance. If you don't match > personality-wise, her perfect body ain't gonna be hanging around for > long! Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* general personality conflicts. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue May 3 16:16:07 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 3 15:20:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d58gv3$vho$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > Make no mistake it's the creationism in another guise. How ever you | > slice the augment it's putting some group's view/flavor of religious | > faith into the schools as part of a mandatory program of study. | | I understand the 'bent' of the ID group and their socio-political | religious persuasions. What I'm saying and what the wired article and | the wiki article are saying is that the current strategy is much more | sophisticated. No augment there. I've sat in on promotional meetings were they have emphatically stated that the use of ID is a ruse to get past the godless 'liberals' | It isn't going to be talking bible and it isn't going to be talking | religion and it isn't even going to be talking god. It is going to be | talking science and logic and debate and it is going to be making that | talk at the level of the politically vulnerable 'forums' of school board | policies and such and it is going to be able to win this particular | debate in Kansas, I'll bet -- and I'll bet you should be worried about | it winning the debate all over the country. This isn't old fashioned | creationism. This is modern day scientific intelligent design, and it | is liable to make a 'monkey' out of old fashioned Darwinism. | | The scientific community is going to have its hands full acting | effectively against these forces, and if the Kansas misadventure is any | sign of how well the scientific community is going to do, it looks | pretty gloomy. It would appear that the school board provided a forum | for both sides of the debate, and the debate turned out to be a | showplace for ID. Bad omen. The ID folk have some deep pockets and we should be afraid, very afraid of what they have in the works. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 16:46:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 15:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: On paper (tax returns) > > is the only place that anything counts. > > So if you're making good money, why the rush to find a better job? ITHMs that he's getting so much of a income deduction from paying interest on 4 mortgages that his real tax burden has gone way, way down. That's a lot of extra money when you adjust your W-4. > > what if the housing market crashes before you sell one or both of > them? then you owe mortgage and equity mortgage on... no asset. > Not likely IMO. The pace of gains in equity due to rising prices may slow down a lot, but like they say they ain't making land no more......I highly doubt he would end up losing money if he had to sell. He just wouldn't get a windfall like you can get now. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 16:53:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 3 15:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d58bed$seo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Are you just assuming that's what he's basing his choices on, or > did he > > actually say that somewhere? Or do you know him really well and > > have seen him in action? > > He has said as much, yes. (ie that he's not attracted if they're not > pretty good looking and they mustn't have cellulite LOL) > But that's only half of the equation...... > Never met him, but I probably 'know' him better than you do (and I'm > not talking in the biblical sense LOL). You wish ;-) From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam Tue May 3 17:28:40 2005 From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Tue May 3 16:30:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:d57sv1$k6a$1@news.spamcop.net... > When she was done, the shepherd turned to her and said, "O.K., now I have > a proposition for you. If I can guess your true hair colour, can I have my > dog back?" Harrr deeee !!!! -- I Shave With Occams Razor http://www.dwacon.com From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam Tue May 3 17:31:49 2005 From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Tue May 3 16:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Homophobia? Message-ID: The correct etymology of that word should be based upon: homo = same (Greek) phobia = fear (Greek "phobos") Therefore, someone who is homophobic is not afraid of homosexuals but, rather, should be terrified of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. -- Should a man answer the tears of his child or the orders of his President? http://www.dwacon.com/publications/pater_familias.asp From heybub at gmail.com Tue May 3 17:02:47 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue May 3 17:06:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm Speaking of "securing the borders," one often hears the toss-off solution: "use the military." During the Battle of the Bulge, the 101st Airborne held 21 miles of the front by itself and the division was stretched mighty thin. We have 2100 miles of border with Mexico. At the same density as the Battle of the Bulge we would require 100 divisions of infantry. We have twelve (10 Army and two Marine). Then there's Canada. Plus the coastline. From heybub at gmail.com Tue May 3 17:08:32 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue May 3 17:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> >> Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify >> some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." >> >> To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, >> objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" or >> the "Theory of Electricity" > > You really went to college? I'm starting to doubt it. Mr. Ohm and Mr. > Newton, and Mr. Joule, among others, want to have a word with you. Yep. Minored in physics. It was much easier back then - there were only the elements of fire, earth, wind, and water (of course there WERE various combinations that one had to account for - it wasn't all that easy). Joule, Newton, and Ohm are dead, and probably Elvis. At least I keep up with my contemporaries. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue May 3 15:16:41 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue May 3 17:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Applied for a mortgage Message-ID: Just filled out a mortgage request at Lendingtree.com to start the process of buying my first home. Suddenly I feel like puking... From borgholio at storymind.com Tue May 3 15:57:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue May 3 18:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Drool.... Message-ID: http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/03/pf/biggest_burger/index.htm From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 16:50:48 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 18:50:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Cinco de Mayo is coming Message-ID: Cinco de Mayo is about the victory of the Mexican general Ignacio Zaragoza over French Count Lorencez - Ferdinand Latrille - in the first Battle of Puebla at Forts Guadalupe and Loreto in 1862. There are websites which describe both battles for Puebla in great detail. Puebla is the major city of the state of Puebla, located between the states of Mexico, Veracruz, and Oaxaca, and other bordering states. Altho' the Mexicans won that battle decisively; under a different general the following year they subsequently lost the 2nd battle of Puebla, after a very heroic 55 day stand against vastly superior invading French forces, and subsequently that war, which Mexico calls the War of Intervention. The French invasion victories led to the installation of the Austrian Maximillian as Emporer of Mexico -- sandwiched between two presidencies of Benito Juarez, before and after Max. Max was born His Imperial Highness Ferdinand Maximilian Joseph, Archduke of Austria, Prince of Hungary and Bohemia. He died at age35 by a Mexican firing squad and his body was mutilated by Mexican republicans. Cinco de Mayo is a very popular festivities day around here. I especially like the celebration at the Crazy Burro. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 3 17:21:53 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 3 19:20:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > and his body was mutilated Completely OT, except that it represents a festive holiday somewhere. I was doing a little reading up on Guy [Guido] Fawkes the other day for some reason and I found out that drawing and quartering, which is typically associated with a form of hanging, is a lot worse than I tho't it was. Here's a par I sent to a couple of friends with whom I discuss such things as Guy Fawkes. You are dragged to the place where you are going to be hanged. You are hung up by your neck, not execution style but more like strangling and turning purple and your eyes and tongue bulging out, but not until death, but taken down while you are still alive. Then, whilst alive, you are disemboweled and your genitalia cut off, which are burned before your eyes. Somewhere about that time you are beheaded and the rest of the body divided into 4 parts. The head and 4 parts were gibbited, which is for the parts to be hung in chains for display by the side of the road, where they rot away and are gnawed at by scavenging animals. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 17:54:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 19:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58krm$1s4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > He has said as much, yes. (ie that he's not attracted if they're not > > pretty good looking and they mustn't have cellulite LOL) > > > > But that's only half of the equation...... What's the other half? > > > Never met him, but I probably 'know' him better than you do (and I'm > > not talking in the biblical sense LOL). > > You wish ;-) LOL... my first crush was an Italian so you'd better watch yourself heheheheh From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 17:55:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drool.... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:d58s4m$5hn$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/03/pf/biggest_burger/index.htm I think I may hurl. Who on earth could get their mouth around it for starters? LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 17:57:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:00:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Homophobia? References: Message-ID: >"Dwayne Conyers" noah.boddie@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message news:d58n3k$306>$1@news.spamcop.net... >The correct etymology of that word should be based upon: > >homo = same (Greek) >phobia = fear (Greek "phobos") > >Therefore, someone who is homophobic is not afraid of homosexuals but, rather, should be >terrified of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. everyone should be afraid of those two... very afraid... they could use their movies as a means of torture [your message came thru kinda odd... better not to post as html] From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:03:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:05:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d58gv3$vho$1@news.spamcop.net... > The scientific community is going to have its hands full acting > effectively against these forces, and if the Kansas misadventure is any > sign of how well the scientific community is going to do, it looks > pretty gloomy. It would appear that the school board provided a forum > for both sides of the debate, and the debate turned out to be a > showplace for ID. Bad omen. Hence my initial concern! these people are insidious and I don't hesitate to say evil. They have their own agendas, though I can't imagine exactly what those agendas are but it smacks of an Orwellian nightmare of manipulation. I wonder at some point if the federal government will have to step in in the interests of truth, science and not becoming the laughing stock of the world (or rather worse of a laughing stock). Then again, the current administration are easily bought and will likely go along with it all. What I wonder is how many teachers will actually be willing to teach this rubbish. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:03:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:05:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58h80$vmo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > I can fully understand that... why would you want to have sex with > > someone you apparently dislike? > > By that point the feelings are usually well beyone "dislike", trust me..... would 'loathe' cover it? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:05:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58hdq$vs1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > what ya fixin' at home? > > Rehabbing my (tiny) master bath. A contractor wanted $15-$20K to do the job! > My materials cost was only $600 to replace all the fixtures and for paint, > but at the cost of major pain to my body.......I'm so out of shape from my > surgery that every muscle in my body hurts (although my neck is fine). ouch on the cash! good at least that your neck isn't hurting, I guess your surgery actually worked! do you know the how of it all?... i wouldn't have a clue about plumbing and all that (as previously recounted re the incident with the toilet) good luck! From borgholio at storymind.com Tue May 3 18:08:35 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue May 3 20:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drool.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:d58s4m$5hn$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/03/pf/biggest_burger/index.htm > > > I think I may hurl. Who on earth could get their mouth around it for > starters? LOL > > I'm sure about half the regulars here could do it. :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:10:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964BBD3459F53TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns964AC6FC87EB0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > >> Why? If you know how to find them you might come in person to complain > >> about your bill - that they determined automatically... > > > > Well I can do that anyway, at their local offices. > > Ah, but CSRs are expendable - they're designed that way (and rarely stay in > their jobs for long, eh? Uh, because they're expendable, see?). LOL, not surprising considering the crap they must have to take from irate customers From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:14:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:15:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58kdu$1pi$1@news.spamcop.net... > Not likely IMO. The pace of gains in equity due to rising prices may slow > down a lot, but like they say they ain't making land no more......I highly > doubt he would end up losing money if he had to sell. He just wouldn't get a > windfall like you can get now. oh i'm not so sure about that. interest rates are gradually creeping up and houses are grossly overvalued in many parts of the country. don't know about his neck of the woods but a localised crash could affect everywhere to some degree. This from today's Daily Reckoning: Residential real estate is in a bubble. Warren Buffett said so. "A lot of the psychological well-being of the American public comes from how well they've done with their house over the years," said the Sage of the Plains this weekend. "Certainly, at the high end of the real estate market in some areas, you've seen extraordinary movement...People go crazy in economics periodically, in all kinds of ways. Residential housing has different behavioral characteristics, simply because people live there. But when you get prices increasing faster than the underlying costs, sometimes there can be pretty serious consequences." "I recently sold a house in Laguna for $3.5 million. It was on about 2,000 square feet of land, maybe a twentieth of an acre, and the house might cost about $500,000 if you wanted to replace it. So the land sold for something like $60 million an acre." "You have a real asset-price bubble in parts of California and the suburbs of Washington, D.C.," added Charlie Munger. "I know someone who lives next door to what you would actually call a fairly modest house that just sold for $17 million. There are some very extreme housing price bubbles going on." Our old friend, Scott Burns, describes California as the "tulip state," where people live in "working stiff houses with fat-cat price tags." He described one modest bungalow that looked like it might be worth $150,000. Nope. Try $900,000, said a neighbor. Few people in the state can afford to buy the houses they live in, says Scott. But if they can't, who could? The answer: no one. One of four houses is bought as an "investment." Of course, it's not an investment at all. It's a pure speculation, a gamble that a greater fool will come along with even more money and an even bigger imagination. And maybe he will. Even the houses bought to live in are often more than the new owners can really afford. They're gambling too...expecting that they can sell whenever they want at a profit. Hardly anyone buys a house expecting to pay for it and pass it on to his heirs. Instead, the house is actively managed - as if it were a stock portfolio...or a sailboat. When interest rates dip, new credit is unfurled...the house is refinanced at a lower rate, often "taking out" a little cash to spend. If rates seem to be going down, even more sailcloth is hoisted...an adjustable rate is selected to catch the favorable wind. What if rates rise? What if the weather turns bad? We don't know what will happen...but we urge readers to watch from dry land. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:15:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] personality or looks... Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58hgo$9n$1@news.spamcop.net... > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* general > personality conflicts. well there you go... you have to base it on personality first, looks second if you're looking for something permanent. if it's just a casual fling you want then have at it From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:16:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drool.... References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:d593po$9ga$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > > news:d58s4m$5hn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >>http://money.cnn.com/2005/05/03/pf/biggest_burger/index.htm > > > > > > I think I may hurl. Who on earth could get their mouth around it for > > starters? LOL > > > > > > I'm sure about half the regulars here could do it. :-P ROFL From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:16:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] mortages (was something else) Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964BBC88B7520TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > So if you're making good money, why the rush to find a better job? > > What? Who said I was making good money? Well, then there's the we. But > we aren't making good money, either. The IRS thinks that we are, but that > doesn't mean crap. Maybe we have a crappy accountant, but, hey, whatever, > or whatever. You really need to find a better accountant! Paying tax on non-existent income has to bite! > What? The lender doesn't care. According to our tax returns we can afford > BOTH places, no problem. Well, yeah. Sort of. Um. Ok, for now we're > managing it, but it sure would be nice to sell a house, you know???? I can imagine. I think the stress may just make me ill. > The market is in a correction phase. We still, presently, have a lot of > equity in one place. Provided that that place sells soonish we will be > fine and then some. Comps are selling (not as quickly as two years ago, > but they are selling) for, well, comparable prices. Don't bring me down, > Bruce... :) I'll keep my fingers crossed on your behalf. Are one or both of them currently up for sale? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 18:52:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue May 3 20:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964BCF85247FDTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > I don't suppose you've owned an s corp, then, have you? Or maybe it's > something specific about schools (I doubt it). Whatever. The state > considers money that comes in as income. Well, like, duh. But what > comes in does not match what we make. In fact, we make, oh, 2/3 of that > income (AFTER you deduct expenses). I'm not sure why there is this huge > difference, but I can imagine very easily. In my overactive imagination, > it would be the fault of large evil corporations who fund politicians in > an effort to see that -they- don't have to pay taxes. Sure, it all makes > sense. Really. No, never have owned a corp of any kind. Seems like with these big companies having almost zero tax burden, you should be able to write off that which doesn't actually make it into your coffers at the end of the year! > > I can imagine. I think the stress may just make me ill. > > Ooo... Our stress may make you ill? Dang. Now that is empathy in > action :) Well i kinda meant if I was in your situation but I can empathise plenty! From bitbucket at spamcop.net Tue May 3 22:14:01 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 3 21:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964BCF85247FDTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Ayup. And as soon as I have a contract in my hands the second one will > be as well... Chawuls, is that contract as in 'employment'? From bitbucket at spamcop.net Tue May 3 22:16:49 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 3 21:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d58hgo$9n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* general > personality conflicts. Color me gobsmacked that it takes you *six months* to figure that out! From bitbucket at spamcop.net Tue May 3 22:26:31 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 3 21:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Dwayne Conyers" wrote in message news:d58mtn$2t7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message > news:d57sv1$k6a$1@news.spamcop.net... > > When she was done, the shepherd turned to her and said, "O.K., now I have > > a proposition for you. If I can guess your true hair colour, can I have my > > dog back?" > > > Harrr deeee !!!! Those Scots are easily amused, no? From bitbucket at spamcop.net Tue May 3 22:37:11 2005 From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue May 3 21:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d58a06$rkj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d57klf$fuv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/04-05/04-28-05/a01lo840.htm > > Well I don't know what the border agents could have done beyond what they > did do. He didn't break any laws at the checkpoint, they seized all the > weapons he had and they checked him against a database which came up > negative. The question is why he wasn't already in the database if he was > wanted for murder elsewhere in the world. I guess he changed his name and > they don't check fingerprints. Had he been a foreign national, they likely > wouldn't have let him pass. Apparently because he hadn't officially been charged as a suspect they couldn't hold him, so they took his "weapons" off him. But, if someone shows up at the border wearing blood stained clothing, carrying a hatchet, chain saw, brass knuckles, knives, swords and pepper spray, I should think they might want to invent a reason to detain him. From heybub at gmail.com Tue May 3 22:09:49 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue May 3 22:10:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > No, never have owned a corp of any kind. Seems like with these big > companies having almost zero tax burden, you should be able to write > off that which doesn't actually make it into your coffers at the end > of the year! > Depends. You may base your accounting method on accrual or cash basis. In the accrual method, revenue occurs the instant it is billed; in the cash method, revenue occurs when you receive payment. In general you may select either method (a company that has significant inventory must use the accrual method). As for big corporations, as long as legislators attempt to promote social goals via the tax system, there will be those - corporations and individuals - who use these techniques to minimize their tax burden. Here's a convoluted example. A father needs $15k/year to pay for child's college. Father is in a high tax bracket (35%) and normally makes $200k/year for 1000 hours of work, but is able to adjust the amount of time he works (say surgeon or lawyer). To net $15k, dad must earn $23k, or, at $200/hr must work 113 hours. Bottom line: Dad works 100+ hours more, kid gets $15k, IRS gets $78k (35% of $223,000). Suppose dad goes to bank and borrows $375k at 6%, loans it to kid on demand note, son redeposits money in bank at 4%. Kid gets $15k ($375k x .04). Dad has to pay bank $22.5k ($375k x .06) But the interest can be finagelled to be tax deductable, therefore the $22.5k interest payment reduces dad's tax load by $7900. So, $22,500 - 7,900 = $14,600 extra income dad has to come up with to pay for kid's college. That's 73 hours of extra work instead of 113. At the end of the year, the contracts/loans just go in the opposite direction to flush everything back to zero. Banks love this sort of thing - the money never leaves the bank and they make 2% for shuffling a few papers. Here's a less exotic example: Suppose you own a brownstone in an historic area of Washington worth, oh, $2 million. You deed the facade of the house to some worthy historical preservation trust. The house, now evaluated minus the front three feet of the building, is valued at only $500,000 (well, what would you pay for a frontless house?). You just earned a $1.5 million charitable contribution. All the more interesting in that local laws prevent you from altering the historic nature of the building anyway! Both of these schemes are thriving in the circles through which I travel. There are others, but we want them to stay below the radar. Point is, corporations or individuals didn't make the rules and can't be rightly criticized for playing by them. The fault, to the degree there is a fault, lies with the legislatures. Whatever massaging these legislatures do, clever people will find a way. Once upon a time, the top tax rate in the U.S. was 90%+. There was ONE person who paid that rate (Muhammed Ali). From heybub at gmail.com Tue May 3 22:11:40 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue May 3 22:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d58hgo$9n$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* >> general personality conflicts. > > well there you go... you have to base it on personality first, looks > second if you're looking for something permanent. if it's just a > casual fling you want then have at it Yes. Go for the intangibles: Personality, intelligence, compatibility, money. With the miracles of modern surgery, looks can be, um, "adjusted." From hee.haw at jack.ass Tue May 3 23:40:13 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Tue May 3 22:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Homophobia? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5935d$8vf$1@news.spamcop.net... > >"Dwayne Conyers" noah.boddie@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message > news:d58n3k$306>$1@news.spamcop.net... >>The correct etymology of that word should be based upon: >> >>homo = same (Greek) >>phobia = fear (Greek "phobos") >> >>Therefore, someone who is homophobic is not afraid of homosexuals but, > rather, should be >terrified of Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. > > everyone should be afraid of those two... very afraid... they could use > their movies as a means of torture > > [your message came thru kinda odd... better not to post as html] > > > Oops... sorry! I was using my other PC and apparently the default on that one must be HTML (I usually use text on my main PC. As my Puerto Rican aunt would say, "Alguien se equivoco!" I screwed up. Will be more diligent in the future. -- Fukuoku... http://tinyurl.com/85pfr From hee.haw at jack.ass Tue May 3 23:41:02 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Tue May 3 22:45:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d598k9$bne$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Dwayne Conyers" wrote in message > news:d58mtn$2t7$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message >> news:d57sv1$k6a$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > When she was done, the shepherd turned to her and said, "O.K., now I > have >> > a proposition for you. If I can guess your true hair colour, can I have > my >> > dog back?" >> >> >> Harrr deeee !!!! > > Those Scots are easily amused, no? > > How did she know what I've been drinking? ;-) -- Fukuoku... http://tinyurl.com/85pfr From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 23:57:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 02:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Secure borders.....not References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d59989$c0g$1@news.spamcop.net... > Apparently because he hadn't officially been charged as a suspect they > couldn't hold him, so they took his "weapons" off him. But, if someone > shows up at the border wearing blood stained clothing, carrying a hatchet, > chain saw, brass knuckles, knives, swords and pepper spray, I should think > they might want to invent a reason to detain him. LOL well yeah, if he was obviously blood stained. However, I think I'd rather they let him cross than have them 'invent' reasons for detaining anyone. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 3 23:58:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 02:00:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d59b0q$cu7$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yes. Go for the intangibles: Personality, intelligence, compatibility, > money. With the miracles of modern surgery, looks can be, um, "adjusted." money?!! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 09:33:36 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed May 4 03:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d59cnt$dt4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d598k9$bne$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Those Scots are easily amused, no? >> >> > > > How did she know what I've been drinking? ;-) > You've been drinking Scots?! Now that *is* interesting........... Was that a male or female Scot???? He means the drink = Scotch ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 11:58:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > indigo wrote: > > HeyBub wrote: > >> > >> Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify > >> some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." > >> > >> To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, > >> objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" > >> or the "Theory of Electricity" > > > > You really went to college? I'm starting to doubt it. Mr. Ohm and > > Mr. Newton, and Mr. Joule, among others, want to have a word with > > you. > > Yep. Minored in physics. But obviously didn't pay attention in class......or get the point of my response to your post. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:03:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Well, darn it all, a windfall would be nice, don't you think :) Uh-huh. If I ever move out of my house I certainly expect one! It's is worth more than twice what I owe on it ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:06:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > LOL. I dunno, search the archives, or something. He likes bimbos! I > don't find it, in the slightest, surprising that bimbos don't make > the best life mates! Where in the hell did you ever get that idea? I'm truly insulted, Charles. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:07:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > >> Perhaps you need to base your choices more heavily on their > >> personality before their appearance. If you don't match > >> personality-wise, her perfect body ain't gonna be hanging around > >> for long! > > > > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* > > general personality conflicts. > > LOL! Surprise, surprise :) What is this, pick on Indi day? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:07:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:10:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d58h80$vmo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > > > I can fully understand that... why would you want to have sex with > > > someone you apparently dislike? > > > > By that point the feelings are usually well beyone "dislike", trust > > me..... > > would 'loathe' cover it? Pretty well ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:12:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > ouch on the cash! good at least that your neck isn't hurting, I guess > your surgery actually worked! > Heh. I originally designed an addition to my bedroom to house a new master bathroom with all the goodies. Fixtures and such were priced out by me at around $3K, contractor wanted $80K to build it! That's insane for a 12' x 8' addition! And yes, it appears the surgery was a complete success, now I just have to finish rehab and get back in shape. > do you know the how of it all?... Can you translate that into english, please? ;-) i wouldn't have a clue about > plumbing and all that (as previously recounted re the incident with > the toilet) good luck! Over various jobs I've held (and learning some stuff from my Dad and older brother) I've managed to pick up all the skills necessary to practically build my own house, except spackling wallboard! No matter how hard I try I suck at it. *sigh* From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:13:17 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:15:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > > > and his body was mutilated > > Completely OT, No such thing in .social, Mike! ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:14:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:15:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d58krm$1s4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > He has said as much, yes. (ie that he's not attracted if they're > not > > > pretty good looking and they mustn't have cellulite LOL) > > > > > > > But that's only half of the equation...... > > What's the other half? Brains and a charming (to me) personality. Oops. That's three things. So sue me ;-) > > > > > Never met him, but I probably 'know' him better than you do (and > > > I'm not talking in the biblical sense LOL). > > > > You wish ;-) > > LOL... my first crush was an Italian so you'd better watch yourself > heheheheh Well, Heidi ain't found me yet, so I guess I'm safe from you ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:18:17 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d58hgo$9n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* > > general personality conflicts. > > well there you go... you have to base it on personality first, looks > second if you're looking for something permanent. Well, looks grab your attention at first, but then personality takes over like real quick. Bimbos get boring fast, no matter how great they are in the sack (and I rarely stay with them long enough to even get to that point). if it's just a > casual fling you want then have at it Done sowing my oats at least a decade ago.....contrary to what some may think around here..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:20:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d58hgo$9n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* > > general personality conflicts. > > Color me gobsmacked that it takes you *six months* to figure that out! Hell, if women would actually say what's on their mind it wouldn't take that long fer chrissakes! My last g/f didn't say a word about a whole bunch of stuff until the night we broke up! It's all YOUR faults, dammit! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 09:34:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 11:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] need a laugh? Message-ID: http://www.amazon.com/gp/seinfeld/poll.html/ref=d_sy_sein/104-8068401-7459939 From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:51:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 11:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5aotc$32r$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, Heidi ain't found me yet, so I guess I'm safe from you ;-) You seem to be under the impression that I'd actually be LOOKING for you, Mr. 'I don't DO cellulite'? ROFL.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:54:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 12:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5ap7d$3co$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hell, if women would actually say what's on their mind it wouldn't take that > long fer chrissakes! My last g/f didn't say a word about a whole bunch of > stuff until the night we broke up! It's all YOUR faults, dammit! Hogwash - you probably knew a lot more than you say you knew, you just didn't want to bring it up and rock the boat.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 12:59:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 12:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5897o$r8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Do I take it you hadn't seen her before?And there are others out there doing > the same thing. Nutters, the lot of them. > I have seen her, as Cat woman, she just seems to have changed spieces, now she's a fish instead of a feline....what a FREAK. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 10:08:53 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 12:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5aodk$2ue$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Charles wrote: > > > > LOL. I dunno, search the archives, or something. He likes bimbos! I > > don't find it, in the slightest, surprising that bimbos don't make > > the best life mates! > > Where in the hell did you ever get that idea? I'm truly insulted, Charles. ROFL... stop it, you're hurtin' my sides From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 10:12:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 12:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi's dating habits (was chosen a new pope) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5aotc$32r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > LOL... my first crush was an Italian so you'd better watch yourself > > heheheheh > > Well, Heidi ain't found me yet, so I guess I'm safe from you ;-) If I was determined enough, I daresay I could track you down. But eh... there's plenty of Italian men out there and besides, I'm happily married! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 10:14:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 12:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5ap7d$3co$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hell, if women would actually say what's on their mind it wouldn't take that > long fer chrissakes! My last g/f didn't say a word about a whole bunch of > stuff until the night we broke up! It's all YOUR faults, dammit! Dare we ask what her issues were? Perhaps you ought to ask the next one if she has the same issues and save yourself 6 months! If it's something you can (and are willing) to change, work on that too. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 10:16:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 12:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] spackle (was another pope thread) Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5aoot$31r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > do you know the how of it all?... > > Can you translate that into english, please? ;-) you already answered it in the affirmative, smart arse > Over various jobs I've held (and learning some stuff from my Dad and older > brother) I've managed to pick up all the skills necessary to practically > build my own house, except spackling wallboard! No matter how hard I try I > suck at it. *sigh* LOL, even I can put spackle on a wall... but not build a house! From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 4 10:18:35 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 4 12:20:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: >> Mike Easter wrote: >> >>> and his body was mutilated >> >> Completely OT, > > No such thing in .social, Mike! ;-) Okey dokey; along the same evolving thread, gruesome executions. I'm trying to get straightened out on this drawing and quartering business. Even the death encyclopedia treats the issue between being pulled apart in 4 directions by horses attached to your extremities vs the hanging, disemboweling [drawing], and quartering for the gibbet which I described earlier -- loosely. By loosely, I mean there's simply a tendency to give 2 different definitions to the term. No good. Lotsa difference in the 'style' and meaning of things like 'draw'. I need to know more about this horse business. First of all, I don't think it would work very well, as some extremity parts are going to pull off/out improperly without rendering one asunder as expected. Second, it doesn't lend itself well to an execution 'arena' -- like, you would need something like a rodeo place for the public who came to watch. Third, I read somewhere that the 'Franks' might've used that style somewhere in the past, but I can't find very much about it. Inquiring minds want to know. Or, at least /this/ inquiring one. We/I might want to hookup a rat to 4 different cats or something. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 10:17:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 12:20:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5arik$4i7$1@news.spamcop.net... > I have seen her, as Cat woman, she just seems to have changed spieces, now she's a > fish instead of a feline....what a FREAK. yeah, kinda like a grouper really hehehehe From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 13:23:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 12:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > You've been drinking Scots?! Now that *is* interesting........... > > > Was that a male or female Scot???? > > Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 13:28:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 12:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > LOL, even I can put spackle on a wall... but not build a house! "putting spackle on a wall" is easy, getting it to seamlessly blend into the surrounding wall is hard as hell. Especially with holes from old anchor bolts, the spackle always ends up shrinking into the hole several days after you've repainted the patch. I HATE when that happens. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 13:29:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 12:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Inquiring minds want to know. Or, at least /this/ inquiring one. > We/I might want to hookup a rat to 4 different cats or something. Oh no! We've got a future psycho serial killer in our midst! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 13:36:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Dare we ask what her issues were? No, enough of my personal life is discussed in here as it is! Perhaps you ought to ask the next > one if she has the same issues and save yourself 6 months! I thought I had that covered this time....I *did* ask her about a couple of the things that lead me to break up with my previous g/f (the fed agent) and I was happy with her answers. This time it was other things, some of them quite stupid -- for instance, she was one of those "I don't take pills" people, and I take several mineral supplements for my health, it really, really bugged her out (and needing medicine for high cholesterol? Oh my lord that's terrible!). Is that dumb or what? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 19:07:27 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed May 4 13:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5aoev$2ul$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! >> > >> > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* >> > general personality conflicts. >> >> LOL! Surprise, surprise :) > > What is this, pick on Indi day? Yup! Me too! Me too! ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 19:12:19 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed May 4 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5at9v$5gj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Mike Easter wrote: >> Inquiring minds want to know. Or, at least /this/ inquiring one. >> We/I might want to hookup a rat to 4 different cats or something. > > Oh no! We've got a future psycho serial killer in our midst! Actually, I've always wanted to know.......... How *do* you kill a serial?? They're turning into real pests 'round 'ere. ;-))> From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 19:19:09 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed May 4 13:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5asu0$59b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> >> You've been drinking Scots?! Now that *is* interesting........... >> >> >> Was that a male or female Scot???? >> >> > > Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... > Better stick with Scotch (the drink) then.......... he he From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 4 12:22:46 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 4 14:25:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I need to know more about this horse business. OK. I've traced back to the Song of Roland, a really old French poem from the 11th century in which Ganelon was executed by being dragged apart by horses. I'm thinking that style might've preceded the hang/ draw/ behead/ quarter/ gibbet-the-parts style, but I'm still researching this. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Wed May 4 15:24:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 4 14:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > >> Perhaps you need to base your choices more heavily on their | > >> personality before their appearance. If you don't match | > >> personality-wise, her perfect body ain't gonna be hanging around | > >> for long! | > > | > > Last two semi-long termers (more than 6 months with each) *were* | > > general personality conflicts. | > | > LOL! Surprise, surprise :) | | What is this, pick on Indi day? Why not it's always somebody's turn in the barrel. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:37:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 15:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | > | What is this, pick on Indi day? > > Why not it's always somebody's turn in the barrel. I'm not in the mood. The main program I had at work was just canceled and I was replaced on the other job I had while I was out for surgery --it was supposed to be temporary, turned out to be permanent. Frigging office politics and upper management lying bastards. I suddenly have nothing to do. Not good. I have six years of work invested in this Hubble instrument and now that it looks like we're actually going to get a shuttle mission for it I'm not involved anymore. Feels like somebody just stuck a knife in my belly. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:37:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 15:40:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > > > Actually, I've always wanted to know.......... How *do* you kill a > > serial?? They're turning into real pests 'round 'ere. > > I can tell you how to kill a serial /port/, perhaps the serial is > what you pug into it. I've found that bulldogs fit much better than pugs..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:38:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 15:40:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > > > Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... > > > > > Better stick with Scotch (the drink) then.......... he he Almost as gross in my opinion........ From devnull at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:31:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 4 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5at7g$5g2$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > | > LOL, even I can put spackle on a wall... but not build a house! | | "putting spackle on a wall" is easy, getting it to seamlessly blend into the | surrounding wall is hard as hell. Especially with holes from old anchor | bolts, the spackle always ends up shrinking into the hole several days after | you've repainted the patch. I HATE when that happens. Take a course at Home Depot/Lowes. BTW if you use sheetrock tape (the process is called 'tape and float' it will cover the nail holes very well) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:55:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 16:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5b8ak$aua$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I've found that bulldogs fit much better than pugs..... Ok, that just SO screams "I'm lonely and desperate......." From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:56:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 16:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5b88s$au0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm not in the mood. The main program I had at work was just canceled and I > was replaced on the other job I had while I was out for surgery --it was > supposed to be temporary, turned out to be permanent. Frigging office > politics and upper management lying bastards. I suddenly have nothing to do. > Not good. I have six years of work invested in this Hubble instrument and > now that it looks like we're actually going to get a shuttle mission for it > I'm not involved anymore. Feels like somebody just stuck a knife in my > belly. > You have nothing to do, but do you still have a job? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 17:18:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If I have to get a new 'puter Message-ID: because my hard drive is making those scraping noises again, what's a good desktop to buy? Any recommendations? Dell has P4, 512, 80gh, dual CD drives for $532 (just the box), but Dell has India, and Gateway has the Phillipines. I have HP at work, it seems ok, but I have no idea what's out there. Anyone? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 4 14:24:02 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 4 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > OK. I've traced back to the Song of Roland, a really old French poem > from the 11th century in which Ganelon was executed by being dragged > apart by horses. I'm thinking that style might've preceded the hang/ > draw/ behead/ quarter/ gibbet-the-parts style, but I'm still > researching this. This guy claims to know when the first and last drawing and quartering/s were done From: (James Harvey) Subject: Re: Hung drawn and quartered. Date: 1997/04/01 Message-ID: <1997Apr1.210927.28141@indyvax.iupui.edu>#1/1 Newsgroups: soc.history.medieval ... but my Song of Roland reference is older than his David ap Gruffudd, the last Welsh Prince of Wales, d&q/d in October 1283 at Shrewsbury. So perhaps he is only referring to d&q in mainland Britain, the question he responded to. I'm also finding out that there was a 'blend' of the role of horses into the drawing and quartering business -- the initial dragging may be done by horses, the hanging up and mutilating and disemboweling and then beheading by men, the quartering could be by the horses, perhaps the same horses you were dragged in by, and then your parts delivery to the roadside gibbeting place could also be done by the delivery/quartering horses. [Quarter horse?] So "Quarter you by the horse you were dragged in by and gibbet you in the roadside" -- would be a pretty harsh epithet. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 4 22:24:48 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed May 4 16:45:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5bane$c6f$1@news.spamcop.net... > because my hard drive is making those scraping noises again, what's a good > desktop to > buy? Any recommendations? Dell has P4, 512, 80gh, dual CD drives for > $532 (just the > box), but Dell has India, and Gateway has the Phillipines. I have HP at > work, it > seems ok, but I have no idea what's out there. Anyone? > > New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the major bottleneck in any system these days From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 17:44:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 4 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5bbvm$crk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the major > bottleneck in any system these days Once you start replacing things though, you start running into compatibility problems with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't want mess with that, i'm not sure I can even install a hard drive myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for about $75 but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to have them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 17:53:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Take a course at Home Depot/Lowes. What, you mean like RTFM? Fuggedaboudit! > > BTW if you use sheetrock tape (the process is called 'tape and float' > it will cover the nail holes very well) Used that once on a cracked joint, most folks can't see any flaws when they look at it but _I_ can. I'm a perfectionist! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 17:53:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 16:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5b8ak$aua$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I've found that bulldogs fit much better than pugs..... > > Ok, that just SO screams "I'm lonely and desperate......." Gutter-girl. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 18:01:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 17:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > > You have nothing to do, but do you still have a job? They'll find me scut work to do until a real, new program comes along, but I'm hoping that when the project manager finds out that I'm off the job she'll scream bloody murder and demand they put me back on the job. I've been working on it longer than nearly anyone on the team and have provided a lot of general system engineering support besides the hardware I built for it. I already had a secret little chat with one of the lead govvie engineers and her jaw hit the floor when I told her what was going to happen. I just need to tread _really_ carefully here for a bit else they _will_throw me out on the street for bypassing the chain of command like that. It's a really touchy subject, lots of reputations and egos involved (yes, including mine). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 18:03:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed May 4 17:05:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d5bbvm$crk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the > > major bottleneck in any system these days > > Once you start replacing things though, you start running into > compatibility problems with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't > want mess with that, i'm not sure I can even install a hard drive > myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for about $75 > but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to > have them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ Installing a new HD is a piece of cake. Hell, I completely rebuilt my PC while recovering from my first surgery and I'd never done anything but install a slave HD before that. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Wed May 4 18:09:17 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Wed May 4 17:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5bc8u$ctq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d5bbvm$crk$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the major >> bottleneck in any system these days > > Once you start replacing things though, you start running into > compatibility problems > with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't want mess with that, i'm not > sure I can > even install a hard drive myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell > me one for > about $75 but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing > it to have > them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ > LOL...haven't you figured out how to log onto web sites without a working PC yet? Dell's always seem to have problems....there is a reason they're cheap...cheap design, cheap components. One of my customers had 5 of them and all had the hard drive go bad within a few months of each other. I like HP...I have 5. Well built and I've rarely had problems on mine or customers. Gateway would be my second choice. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed May 4 18:50:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 4 18:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5bcnu$d6b$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Take a course at Home Depot/Lowes. | | What, you mean like RTFM? Fuggedaboudit! No, get the feel of how you're suppose to do it then improve on the process. | > BTW if you use sheetrock tape (the process is called 'tape and float' | > it will cover the nail holes very well) | | Used that once on a cracked joint, most folks can't see any flaws when they | look at it but _I_ can. I'm a perfectionist! Stuff is cheap use it everywhere. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed May 4 18:54:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 4 18:00:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | >> Inquiring minds want to know. Or, at least /this/ inquiring one. | >> We/I might want to hookup a rat to 4 different cats or something. | > | > Oh no! We've got a future psycho serial killer in our midst! | | Actually, I've always wanted to know.......... How *do* you kill a serial?? | They're turning into real pests 'round 'ere. Switch it to the parallel mode? From devnull at spamcop.net Wed May 4 18:58:39 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 4 18:00:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" | > New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the major | > bottleneck in any system these days | | Once you start replacing things though, you start running into compatibility problems | with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't want mess with that, i'm not sure I can | even install a hard drive myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for | about $75 but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to have | them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ Careful with Dell's OEM drives. Neighbor purchased on ended up with a full warrant for 90 days and a limited warrant for 1 year. This on a drive if purchase through other channels had a three year OTC exchange. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:12:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5bc8u$ctq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Once you start replacing things though, you start running into compatibility problems > with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't want mess with that, i'm not sure I can > even install a hard drive myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for > about $75 but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to have > them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ I'll ask my tech buddy if Gateway drives are any different from regular ones. Assuming they are not, try this. Go buy one that is approximately the same size as the one you currently have. Unwrap it, check that the connections look the same. Unplug the other drive making sure you note where the plugs connected (it's very easy). Plug it in. Switch the computer on and follow any directions that came with the drive. Install Windows. If that doesn't work, remove the new drive and return it to the store (check first that they'll accept returns without penalty). THEN think about a new computer. It seems daft to buy a whole new computer just because of a dicky drive and they're so dirt cheap these days I'd for sure try that first. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:14:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:15:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5bdai$dib$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Installing a new HD is a piece of cake. Hell, I completely rebuilt my PC > while recovering from my first surgery and I'd never done anything but > install a slave HD before that. Don't talk about slaves, you'll get her all excited LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:16:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5bgks$fg3$3@news.spamcop.net... > Careful with Dell's OEM drives. Neighbor purchased on ended up with a full > warrant for 90 days and a limited warrant for 1 year. This on a drive if > purchase through other channels had a three year OTC exchange. Well she's got a Gateway right now. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:17:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5asu0$59b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: > > > > You've been drinking Scots?! Now that *is* interesting........... > > > > > > Was that a male or female Scot???? > > > > > > Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... *wonders how Indi's mind works* WATERSPORTS?! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:19:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:20:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5at7g$5g2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > LOL, even I can put spackle on a wall... but not build a house! > > "putting spackle on a wall" is easy, getting it to seamlessly blend into the > surrounding wall is hard as hell. Especially with holes from old anchor > bolts, the spackle always ends up shrinking into the hole several days after > you've repainted the patch. I HATE when that happens. It is a bit tedious yes. We'd put mirror tiles up on a wall in an apartment back in 1998 and when we removed them to move out of there, half the plaster came off with them LOL. So I had to do a pretty damn good job of spackling that lot up to disguise what had happened. Nobody ever commented so I guess I did a good enough job. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:21:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5atmr$5od$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > Dare we ask what her issues were? > > No, enough of my personal life is discussed in here as it is! hehehehehehehe.. musta been bad eh? LOL > > Perhaps you ought to ask the next > > one if she has the same issues and save yourself 6 months! > > I thought I had that covered this time....I *did* ask her about a couple of > the things that lead me to break up with my previous g/f (the fed agent) and > I was happy with her answers. This time it was other things, some of them > quite stupid -- for instance, she was one of those "I don't take pills" > people, and I take several mineral supplements for my health, it really, > really bugged her out (and needing medicine for high cholesterol? Oh my lord > that's terrible!). Is that dumb or what? Yeah, that is a bit stupid. She needs to grow up. The best sort of person for anyone to find is someone who is very patient and tolerant. Might try a nurse or maybe a kindergarten teacher. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:23:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5b88s$au0$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm not in the mood. The main program I had at work was just canceled and I > was replaced on the other job I had while I was out for surgery --it was > supposed to be temporary, turned out to be permanent. Frigging office > politics and upper management lying bastards. I suddenly have nothing to do. > Not good. I have six years of work invested in this Hubble instrument and > now that it looks like we're actually going to get a shuttle mission for it > I'm not involved anymore. Feels like somebody just stuck a knife in my > belly. Does this have implications for your employment?! Sounds pretty worrying. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:24:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:25:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5bcol$d6g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:d5b8ak$aua$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > I've found that bulldogs fit much better than pugs..... > > > > Ok, that just SO screams "I'm lonely and desperate......." > > Gutter-girl. LOL, I had no idea what she meant until you retorted. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:27:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964CB67C48079TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > But, see, houses aren't necessarily overvalued here due to the incredible > population influx. More and more people keep moving here. Post 9/11 that > made sense, but now? Who the heck knows what's up - but they just keep > coming... I'm willing to be a lot of them are speculators. Bastards. Such homes should be taxed up the yin yang IMO to help prevent this disgusting opportunism that's edging out genuine buyers. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 16:29:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:30:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964CB726B8823TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's only an interview. Interviews aren't jobs. Besides, as my FIL said, > "Would you uproot your family and move to a depressed area for nn$? If > you're willing to uproot your family you should at least look around for a > real job!" Is it any more depressed than your current location? What is a 'real' job anyway? Is that one that involves moving to a big city and living with commuting and all the attendant bs? From devnull at privacy1834818401939109hi.co.uk Wed May 4 16:33:56 2005 From: devnull at privacy1834818401939109hi.co.uk (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 18:35:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Ahem. Sor', there, dude, if I've hurt yer feelers, but, hey, I calls 'em > as I sees 'em. Relates back to, for one example, a conversation about > salma hayek and something about your liking of girls with large breasts > (and not caring about anything else). I thought Indi was a leg man? Or am I just confusing his revulsion for cellulite on the legs for him being a leg man? Who knows?! LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 17:30:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed May 4 19:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea only if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was doing was illegal. " talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu May 5 00:37:12 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed May 4 19:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer on 04/05/2005 wrote: > Once you start replacing things though, you start running into > compatibility problems with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't > want mess with that, i'm not sure I can even install a hard drive > myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for about $75 > but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to > have them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ There should be no compatibility problems with a new hard drive, any reasonable computer shop can advise you, then tell them that you'll think about it, walk away and look up the same drive on the net to see if you can pick it up at a better price. As far as installing it, once you open your PC it will become very evident. Once you put your OS on it you could even put your old HD back in as a slave so as to transfer all your data to the new one before the old one packs up completely. Rob From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 21:42:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed May 4 20:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5bhjs$g7t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:d5bgks$fg3$3@news.spamcop.net... > > Careful with Dell's OEM drives. Neighbor purchased on ended up with a > full > > warrant for 90 days and a limited warrant for 1 year. This on a drive if > > purchase through other channels had a three year OTC exchange. > > Well she's got a Gateway right now. Gateway on my second hard drive, I might add... Yes, I"m back, after reinstalling my operating system and reinventing the wheel, AGAIN...... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 21:43:59 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed May 4 20:50:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:d5bmb8$j1j$1@news.spamcop.net... > There should be no compatibility problems with a new hard drive, any > reasonable computer shop can advise you, then tell them that you'll > think about it, walk away and look up the same drive on the net to see > if you can pick it up at a better price. As far as installing it, once > you open your PC it will become very evident. Once you put your OS on > it you could even put your old HD back in as a slave so as to transfer > all your data to the new one before the old one packs up completely. > Don't you have to have enough slots on the motherboard for two drives? And is there always an extra one? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 21:54:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed May 4 21:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5bi39$gc9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > > Gutter-girl. > > LOL, I had no idea what she meant until you retorted. I think you need a "smut tune up", yer runnin' kinda slow there, girl.... ;D From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 4 21:56:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed May 4 21:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Oh...my....GAWD...... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5asi4$56i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > yeah, kinda like a grouper really hehehehe > ROFL.....good one From heybub at gmail.com Wed May 4 21:13:50 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Wed May 4 21:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england > > " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea > only if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was > doing was illegal. " > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! It's the same everywhere else - no judge is required to accept a plea of guilty for anything. In fact, there is one group of offenses (at least in Texas) to which the accused can not plead guilty - a plea of "not guilty" is automatically entered on his behalf. These crimes are those in which the death penalty is a possible punishment. From heybub at gmail.com Wed May 4 21:21:49 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Wed May 4 21:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d5bbvm$crk$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> New HDD?? A decent Harddrive would make a difference - it's the major >> bottleneck in any system these days > > Once you start replacing things though, you start running into > compatibility problems with the motherboard and stuff, and I don't > want mess with that, i'm not sure I can even install a hard drive > myself, or want to.... Gateway said they'd sell me one for about $75 > but I'd have to log on to their website while I was installing it to > have them walk me through it.......hellllooooo........ If you hand will fit a screwdriver, you're golden. Our experience is that an IDE drive lasts about three years when running 24/7. In your case, buy a new hard drive from Fry's or somewhere* and install it as a "slave." Then, use the software that came with the new drive (or downloadable from the manufacturer's website) to "clone" your existing drive to the new one. Be sure to get a drive (Western Digital, Seagate, etc.) that has such software available. Next, remove the old drive and switch the new drive to "master." ---------- *There are sometimes incompatibility problems regarding recording methodologies (IDE vs SATA) and drive capacities (motherboard or OS may not support a larger drive). You can completely overcome any potential problem by removing your existing hard drive and (carefully) carrying it to the computer store. Tell the clerk: "I want another just like this." From heybub at gmail.com Wed May 4 21:27:59 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Wed May 4 21:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Cinco de Mayo is about the victory of the Mexican general Ignacio > Zaragoza over French Count Lorencez - Ferdinand Latrille - in the > first Battle of Puebla at Forts Guadalupe and Loreto in 1862. [...] Around here, the Houston cops call the holiday "Sinka de Bayou" after an incident years ago when some handcuffed Mexicans were tossed into the water. I think one drowned. I believe the cops were fired. Could be wrong, though. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed May 4 23:14:42 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed May 4 22:15:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > because my hard drive is making those scraping noises again, what's a > good desktop to buy? Any recommendations? Dell has P4, 512, 80gh, > dual CD drives for $532 (just the box), but Dell has India, and > Gateway has the Phillipines. I have HP at work, it seems ok, but I > have no idea what's out there. Anyone? The Mac Mini. You already have a keyboard, mouse and monitor. For $499 you get: 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 256MB DDR333 SDRAM ATI Radeon 9200 with 32MB DDR video memory 40GB Ultra ATA hard drive Combo drive DVI or VGA video output You can't get a similarly equipped PC for less and it comes in a 6.5--inch-square, 2-inch-tall sleek anodized aluminum case. or -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From agent01413 at my-deja.com Thu May 5 03:20:12 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Wed May 4 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in news:d58v4i$71r$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Cinco de Mayo is about the victory of the Mexican general Ignacio > Zaragoza over French Count Lorencez - Ferdinand Latrille - in the first > Battle of Puebla at Forts Guadalupe and Loreto in 1862. No it's not. That's the cover story. When the Titanic left Southampton, it was bound first for NY then Vera Cruz, Mexico. The Vera Cruz restaurant industry was looking at dropping sour cream as a condiment, and was trying out alternatives. The hold of the Titanic was filled with many cases of Heilmann's Mayonais. The Titanic sank. It turns out that in their infinite wisdom they neglected to get insurance on their cargo, which they had already paid for. They nearly went broke. To remind themselves never to ship without insurance, they declared a holiday. That's the origin of Sinko de Mayo. I'll get my coat. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 4 20:22:59 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 4 22:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Cinco de Mayo is about the victory of the Mexican general Ignacio >> Zaragoza over French Count Lorencez - Ferdinand Latrille - in the >> first Battle of Puebla at Forts Guadalupe and Loreto in 1862. > Around here, the Houston cops call the holiday "Sinka de Bayou" after > an incident years ago when some handcuffed Mexicans were tossed into > the water. > > I think one drowned. I believe the cops were fired. Could be wrong, > though. That situation was a really really really bad, ugly deal which turned out to have huge political implications for Texas and ultimately a net gain for Chicano political power. The deal was that on Cinco in 1977, Jose Campo Torres was arrested at a nightspot for drunken disturbance and beaten and thrown into Buffalo Bayou and drowned, ie murdered. There was a huge Mexican community uprising for the cops' scalps and the political upswelling lasted way beyond that summer in Houston. The cops had to have their trial's venue changed to Huntsville Oct 77 where there were a lot more demonstrations, and where the cops got off with a dollar fine. More and more and more demonstrations -- Latinos wearing dollar bills "A Chicano's life is only worth one dollar" Next came a federal case against the cops for civil rights violations and a federal jail sentence of nine months. Not good enough; even the federal verdict left the Mexican American community rabid. And that federal verdict deemed inadequate came down in April '78 -- just in time for the Cinco 'celebration' in '78 in Moody Park. You guessed it -- riots in the streeets, stores looted, cop cars and shops set on fire, SWAT team out in force. Texas burning. After that outburst, things kinda settled down. There's a lot more to the story than that. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From agent01413 at my-deja.com Thu May 5 03:31:36 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Wed May 4 22:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:d5blut$iq7$1@news.spamcop.net: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england > > " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea > only if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was > doing was illegal. " > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! That's true everywhere. After pleading guilty you're required to say what you did, not what they say that you did. If you didn't do anything, and tell the truth, the judge can't accept the verdict. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From heybub at gmail.com Wed May 4 22:42:49 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Wed May 4 22:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> indigo wrote: >>> HeyBub wrote: >>>> >>>> Most of what you say makes good sense but I feel we need to clarify >>>> some definitions, most importantly the word "theory." >>>> >>>> To a scientist, a "theory" is an indisputable, reproducible, >>>> objective, demonstrable fact, as in "The Theory of Thermodynamics" >>>> or the "Theory of Electricity" >>> >>> You really went to college? I'm starting to doubt it. Mr. Ohm and >>> Mr. Newton, and Mr. Joule, among others, want to have a word with >>> you. >> >> Yep. Minored in physics. > > But obviously didn't pay attention in class......or get the point of > my response to your post. For sure, one of them. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu May 5 01:19:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 5 00:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] PING IT types Duke University - MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY References: Message-ID: *Position: MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY* Requisition Number: CAM38382-033105 *Job Description:* Occupational Summary: The Manager of Technology and Electronic Communications is responsible for providing creative and innovative solutions to support Duke Alumni Affairs. Additionally, this individual is also responsible for management of the electronic services and resources used by the alumni body and associated communities. A job is a terrible thing to waste. FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com (I'll send details back channel) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 09:41:48 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 03:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-E32623.22144204052005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> because my hard drive is making those scraping noises again, what's a >> good desktop to buy? Any recommendations? Dell has P4, 512, 80gh, >> dual CD drives for $532 (just the box), but Dell has India, and >> Gateway has the Phillipines. I have HP at work, it seems ok, but I >> have no idea what's out there. Anyone? > > The Mac Mini. You already have a keyboard, mouse and monitor. For $499 > you get: > > 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 > 256MB DDR333 SDRAM > ATI Radeon 9200 with 32MB DDR video memory > 40GB Ultra ATA hard drive > Combo drive > DVI or VGA video output > > You can't get a similarly equipped PC for less and it comes in a > 6.5--inch-square, 2-inch-tall sleek anodized aluminum case. > But be aware, because it isn't a PC, it won't run any of your currently owned software. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 09:43:01 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 03:45:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5bhlm$g91$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5asu0$59b$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> Porpoise wrote: >> > >> > You've been drinking Scots?! Now that *is* interesting........... >> > >> > >> > Was that a male or female Scot???? >> > >> > >> >> Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... > > *wonders how Indi's mind works* > > WATERSPORTS?! Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, anyway........... LOL From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu May 5 13:31:48 2005 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz) Date: Thu May 5 05:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: On 2005-05-03 02:04:23 +0300, "Sylvesterthekat" said: > http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/life_evolution_dc > > "I feel like I'm in a time warp here," said Topeka attorney Pedro > Irigonegaray who has agreed to defend evolution as valid science. "To debate > evolution is similar to debating whether the Earth is round. It is an absurd > proposition." > > what's to debate?! a story versus credible science... gee, which one should > we teach children? The entire world is going into some sort of fundamentalism. We have "light" islamic party here for instance, a country which is secular as France. What bothers me is, I kinda figure before ww2 there started some wide spread, fanatical belief as "nationalism". Of course, nationalism as xenophobia, racism etc, not "normal" nationalism. Anything spreads globally gives very evil questions to mind. Ilgaz Ocal From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 07:50:01 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 5 06:50:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message news:Xns964CCED3F6B88agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > holiday. That's the origin of Sinko de Mayo. > > I'll get my coat. I'll get the door for you.......ROFL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 07:52:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu May 5 06:55:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-E32623.22144204052005@news.cesmail.net... > > The Mac Mini. You already have a keyboard, mouse and monitor. For $499 > you get: But it's a MAC......nothing I have is Mac compatible, so replacing software wouldn't exactly be a bargain. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 5 07:44:44 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu May 5 07:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz" wrote in message news:d5cp63$4ge$2@news.spamcop.net... > > The entire world is going into some sort of fundamentalism. We have > "light" islamic party here for instance, a country which is secular as > France. > > What bothers me is, I kinda figure before ww2 there started some wide > spread, fanatical belief as "nationalism". Of course, nationalism as > xenophobia, racism etc, not "normal" nationalism. > > Anything spreads globally gives very evil questions to mind. It is scary, isn't it? However, the pendulum swings back and forth. Unfortunately, it often takes a bloody war or reign of terror to start swinging the other way. In the era of internet and international business everyone is aware of (and perhaps influenced by?) what happens in other parts of the world. In the past, places were not even aware of - and certainly not as influenced by - other places where the pendulum was swinging towards fundamentalism or towards anarchism. And not everything that spreads globally is evil. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 5 07:57:31 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu May 5 07:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d588m7$quu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:d56fk1$jua$1@news.spamcop.net... > > There's actually not even any need for evolutionary theories in all of > > that for high school courses -- and certainly no need for creationism. > > Well speaking for myself, I learned the basics of evolution at a fairly > young age (before high school). Most obviously in relation to how man > developed. Was he plonked down on earth in a fit of creation or did he > evolve from apes... and how did they evolve... and so on. It's a basic > question that every child begins to wonder and I believe it should be > answered ACCURATELY! There is much evidence that we evolved from ape-like > creatures and going back into prehistoric eras that those mammals evolved > from simple sea creatures. Let's face it, you can't create a biologist and > put him through a university course if he's never learned anything about > evolution. And that's just the point of the 'creationists' - children wonder and parents want them to be taught what the parents believe. But the problem is that even adults cannot be sure exactly how life and thinking beings were created or why. It is a mystery. I once read a theory (proposed by scientists in seriousness) that human beings evolved primarily as a host for viruses, that what drives human development is how well we transmit and house them. Miss Betsy From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 5 07:11:31 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 5 09:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > I once read a theory (proposed by scientists in seriousness) that > human beings evolved primarily as a host for viruses, that what > drives human development is how well we transmit and house them. Along those same lines, a chicken is just an egg's way of making another egg. But then we would have to get into how the egg did come first. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:32:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 5 09:35:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5blut$iq7$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england > > " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea only > if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was doing was > illegal. " > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! Well, she doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and if she was coerced by her superiors into thinking this was standard operating procedure with prisoners, she's not as responsible as most of them, just unfortunately more visible. Wonder what would have happened to her if she'd refused to participate. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:34:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 5 09:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964CB726B8823TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's only an interview. Interviews aren't jobs. Besides, as my FIL said, > "Would you uproot your family and move to a depressed area for nn$? If > you're willing to uproot your family you should at least look around for a > real job!" Define "real job"? Are you looking for fake ones that pay fake money? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:35:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 5 09:40:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5bcnu$d6b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Used that once on a cracked joint, I bet it tastes funny when you smoke it though....... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 12:04:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 11:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > > Don't you have to have enough slots on the motherboard for two > drives? And is there always an extra one? Has nothing to do with slots on the MoBo. The cable that connects the master drive to the MoBo should have a second connector on it for mounting a second drive. All you need to worry about is making sure the DIP switches are in the correct position to make the new drive the master (and you plug it into to correct cable connector) and the old drive the slave. This assumes that you have an extra physical slot in your case for mounting another drive, of course. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 12:07:01 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5bcnu$d6b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Used that once on a cracked joint, > > I bet it tastes funny when you smoke it though....... Not if you don't inhale.... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 12:10:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 11:15:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Indi insult thread Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Ahem. Sor', there, dude, if I've hurt yer feelers, but, hey, I calls > 'em as I sees 'em. Relates back to, for one example, a conversation > about salma hayek and something about your liking of girls with large > breasts (and not caring about anything else). You're thinking of ol' Redstone --he's the one with the breast fetish. I'm a leg man. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 12:11:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 11:15:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Yeah, that is a bit stupid. She needs to grow up. The best sort of > person for anyone to find is someone who is very patient and > tolerant. Might try a nurse or maybe a kindergarten teacher. Nurse or teacher would be great, I agree. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 12:12:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 11:15:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Does this have implications for your employment?! Sounds pretty > worrying. I won't lose my job, we're desperately looking for 100 engineers to hire. I just won't be doing the work I love anymore if this falls out the way it looks like it might. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:14:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964CC7BFD3B79TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, upstate NY? More depressed than around here? Ayup. And how. Any > chance for recovery, there? Nope. (Any chance for recovery here? Who > knows!) And, no, a real job involves a real salary. I guess if you > consider the local economy in the issue then the salary that they are > offering (would be offering!) in uNY is very reasonable. But then, if you > lose your job you are completely screwed 'cause there ain't nuthin' else up > thatta way... Yeah, that's something to consider very seriously if there's no other prospects in that area of NY. Then you'd know you would have to move to find another job. What's wrong with that neck of the woods anyway, did existing industries around there die out or was there never anything going on? Might be worth doing some digging and see if anything is planning to move there, like a big corp looking to cut their costs in a place like SoCal etc (city councils may know that kind of thing). That would push up property values and make employment more likely in future. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:15:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:20:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: check whatever isn't all bad References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns964CC807C89DBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > I'm willing to be a lot of them are speculators. Bastards. Such homes > > should be taxed up the yin yang IMO to help prevent this disgusting > > opportunism that's edging out genuine buyers. > > I really don't think that they're speculators. Honest. There are just a > lot of people moving here. My SO just interviewed a woman who wants to > move here from Arizona. Why? Well, why not? I mean, we all have to live > some place, right? That's a big change... desert to deciduous in one swoop LOL. Maybe she likes cool and moist over hot and dry. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:17:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:20:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d5bqi5$l6g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:d5bmb8$j1j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > There should be no compatibility problems with a new hard drive, any > > reasonable computer shop can advise you, then tell them that you'll > > think about it, walk away and look up the same drive on the net to see > > if you can pick it up at a better price. As far as installing it, once > > you open your PC it will become very evident. Once you put your OS on > > it you could even put your old HD back in as a slave so as to transfer > > all your data to the new one before the old one packs up completely. > > > Don't you have to have enough slots on the motherboard for two drives? And > is there always an extra one? It doesn't connect to the motherboard, instead you daisy chain them off each other as I recall (hence one is slaved off the other). Your only limitation is power wires and slots to actually house the drive (they usually live above or below where your CD drive is) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:17:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:20:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: C&C - Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d5br2d$lec$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5bi39$gc9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "indigo" wrote in message > > > Gutter-girl. > > > > LOL, I had no idea what she meant until you retorted. > > I think you need a "smut tune up", yer runnin' kinda slow there, girl.... ;D hehehe yeah, i reckon you're right From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:20:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:20:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d5bs0b$lse$1@news.spamcop.net... > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! > > It's the same everywhere else - no judge is required to accept a plea of > guilty for anything. But you can't claim ignorance of the law. > > In fact, there is one group of offenses (at least in Texas) to which the > accused can not plead guilty - a plea of "not guilty" is automatically > entered on his behalf. These crimes are those in which the death penalty is > a possible punishment. Why am I not surprised? They wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to execute someone would they? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:21:24 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d5bsqt$mbk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Around here, the Houston cops call the holiday "Sinka de Bayou" after an > incident years ago when some handcuffed Mexicans were tossed into the water. > > I think one drowned. I believe the cops were fired. Could be wrong, though. They were only fired?! For murdering someone?!!! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:23:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:25:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5bvuc$npe$1@news.spamcop.net... > Next came a federal case against the cops for civil rights violations > and a federal jail sentence of nine months. Not good enough; even the > federal verdict left the Mexican American community rabid. And that > federal verdict deemed inadequate came down in April '78 -- just in time > for the Cinco 'celebration' in '78 in Moody Park. You guessed it -- > riots in the streeets, stores looted, cop cars and shops set on fire, > SWAT team out in force. Texas burning. After that outburst, things > kinda settled down. What a bloody disgrace. Yet still not surprising. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:26:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:30:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message news:Xns964CD0C27ABE2agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > news:d5blut$iq7$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england > > > > " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea > > only if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was > > doing was illegal. " > > > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! > > That's true everywhere. After pleading guilty you're required to say what > you did, not what they say that you did. If you didn't do anything, and > tell the truth, the judge can't accept the verdict. But what they seem to be saying here is that she didn't know that what she was doing was illegal and therefore she can't plead guilty to it. Either way, at least it means she now has to go to trial for it instead of copping a plea. Maybe it will help uncover more truth about the whole affair so that's a good thing, especially if it filters its way up to the real criminals in the WhiteHouse. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:28:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:30:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > WATERSPORTS?! > > > Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, > anyway........... LOL Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:34:03 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz" wrote in message news:d5cp63$4ge$2@news.spamcop.net... > The entire world is going into some sort of fundamentalism. We have > "light" islamic party here for instance, a country which is secular as > France. You may be right and it can't turn out well for anybody. > > What bothers me is, I kinda figure before ww2 there started some wide > spread, fanatical belief as "nationalism". Of course, nationalism as > xenophobia, racism etc, not "normal" nationalism. > > Anything spreads globally gives very evil questions to mind. It makes me wonder if something like this accounts for the rise and fall of civilisations that you would previously have thought would go on for ever (like the Roman Empire, Egyptians, Greeks etc). What reason for such power houses to implode? I guess we're due for an implosion. the kind of nationalism espoused by some in the US is indeed xenophobic, rasict... whatever else bad characteristic you can think of for it. We can only hope that they don't somehow become the majority because it can't do anyone any good. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:38:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d5d1dk$92e$1@news.spamcop.net... > And that's just the point of the 'creationists' - children wonder > and parents want them to be taught what the parents believe. > > But the problem is that even adults cannot be sure exactly how life > and thinking beings were created or why. It is a mystery. Well of course we can't be sure why we are here, if there is a 'why' to even know. We can know the how of it from fossil records and DNA evidence. So to me the how of it kind of nullifies the why. We are an accident of evolution, not a design or creation. If someone did design us, they hid the evidence of it very well by creating all this other evidence to explain to us where we came from. > I once read a theory (proposed by scientists in seriousness) that > human beings evolved primarily as a host for viruses, that what > drives human development is how well we transmit and house them. Obviously you're simplifying so I don't know why he picked on humans particularly but it seems to me that humans don't propagate viruses any better than other mammals would. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:39:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:40:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5d7ba$bs5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Well, she doesn't appear to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, and if she was > coerced by her superiors into thinking this was standard operating procedure with > prisoners, she's not as responsible as most of them, just unfortunately more visible. > Wonder what would have happened to her if she'd refused to participate. The good thing about this is that now a trial will have to happen which may uncover the wrong doings of the higher-ups. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:39:59 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:40:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: mortages (was something else) References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5d7ea$bss$1@news.spamcop.net... > Define "real job"? Are you looking for fake ones that pay fake money? I suspect he means one with a salary and benefits that doesn't involved humping boxes around. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:40:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: spackle (was another pope thread) References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5d7h3$bth$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message news:d5bcnu$d6b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Used that once on a cracked joint, > > I bet it tastes funny when you smoke it though....... LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:41:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5dd0e$ek2$2@news.spamcop.net... > Charles wrote: > > > > Ahem. Sor', there, dude, if I've hurt yer feelers, but, hey, I calls > > 'em as I sees 'em. Relates back to, for one example, a conversation > > about salma hayek and something about your liking of girls with large > > breasts (and not caring about anything else). > > You're thinking of ol' Redstone --he's the one with the breast fetish. I'm a > leg man. ROFL@indi insult thread Aha! So I was right about the legs. Where is Red anyway, busy with married life I guess. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 10:43:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 12:45:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5dd59$ekt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Does this have implications for your employment?! Sounds pretty > > worrying. > > I won't lose my job, we're desperately looking for 100 engineers to hire. I > just won't be doing the work I love anymore if this falls out the way it > looks like it might. I'm sure something else will come along before too much time passes. They won't want to risk losing you if they're desperate for engineers. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu May 5 10:54:23 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu May 5 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > because my hard drive is making those scraping noises again, what's a > good desktop to buy? Any recommendations? Dell has P4, 512, 80gh, > dual CD drives for $532 (just the box), but Dell has India, and > Gateway has the Phillipines. I have HP at work, it seems ok, but I > have no idea what's out there. Anyone? If you're interestested in buying a new computer, I'd suggest either hand-making it (which may be a problem if you're not handy with the inner guts of it) or pay someone a small fee to build such a computer. For the price of a low-end computer made by Compaq or eMachines, I was able to build a very respectable computer with good components (I never buy top-of-the-line, as the cost:benefit ratio is far too poor). If you can't find anyone nearby who'd be willing or able to help build a computer for a reasonable price, I would be glad to assist for a small fee (I'm a college student and need to pay for pizza...). If you're interested, let me know. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu May 5 10:56:25 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu May 5 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: In article , "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! Military forces are bound under a different code of conduct and rules (laws?) -- the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Many of the laws that apply in the civilian world simply do not apply, or are modified by the UCMJ. Penalties for the same crime differ significantly from the civilian and military courts. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu May 5 10:57:37 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu May 5 13:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: In article , "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > Why am I not surprised? They wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to execute > someone would they? Er...they're not making the defendant plead "guilty", they're making them plead "not guilty". I can't see how this would increase their odds of executing anyone. If anything, it would increase the odds of /not/ executing them as there's a possibility of not finding them guilty of the crime rather than simply accepting their "guilty" plea and moving right to the penalty phase. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 19:49:51 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 13:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5dgv1$gsg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" wrote in message > news:d5bqi5$l6g$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Don't you have to have enough slots on the motherboard for two drives? >> And >> is there always an extra one? > > It doesn't connect to the motherboard, instead you daisy chain them off > each > other as I recall (hence one is slaved off the other). Your only > limitation > is power wires and slots to actually house the drive (they usually live > above or below where your CD drive is) And make sure you don't connect it to the same IDE channel as the CD/DVD drive........ It'll slow things down From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 19:50:44 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 13:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > WATERSPORTS?! >> >> >> Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, >> anyway........... LOL > > Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:57:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 14:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > WATERSPORTS?! > >> > >> > >> Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, > >> anyway........... LOL > > > > Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL > > > Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! Especially if you *do* participate in the *other* kind of watersports! From devnull at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:53:36 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 5 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: well they've chosen the new Pope References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5dd59$ekt$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > Does this have implications for your employment?! Sounds pretty | > worrying. | | I won't lose my job, we're desperately looking for 100 engineers to hire. I | just won't be doing the work I love anymore if this falls out the way it | looks like it might. What flavor of engineer and where's the work based? Do they get to blow anything up? From devnull at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:55:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 5 14:05:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: personality or looks... References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > Yeah, that is a bit stupid. She needs to grow up. The best sort of | > person for anyone to find is someone who is very patient and | > tolerant. Might try a nurse or maybe a kindergarten teacher. | | Nurse or teacher would be great, I agree. Punch lines from old jokes. Nurse: lay still this won't hurt a bit Teacher: you're going to have to keep doing it until you get it right. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:57:23 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 5 14:05:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > | > > There should be no compatibility problems with a new hard drive, any | > > reasonable computer shop can advise you, then tell them that you'll | > > think about it, walk away and look up the same drive on the net to see | > > if you can pick it up at a better price. As far as installing it, once | > > you open your PC it will become very evident. Once you put your OS on | > > it you could even put your old HD back in as a slave so as to transfer | > > all your data to the new one before the old one packs up completely. | > > | > Don't you have to have enough slots on the motherboard for two drives? And | > is there always an extra one? | | It doesn't connect to the motherboard, instead you daisy chain them off each | other as I recall (hence one is slaved off the other). Your only limitation | is power wires and slots to actually house the drive (they usually live | above or below where your CD drive is) And a heavy enough power supply with sufficient capacity to carry the load (most do BTW) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 20:20:33 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 14:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5dmqt$kd4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message >> news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > >> > "Porpoise" wrote in message >> > news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > > > WATERSPORTS?! >> >> >> >> >> >> Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, >> >> anyway........... LOL >> > >> > Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL >> >> >> Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! > > Especially if you *do* participate in the *other* kind of watersports! > Oh! Moe is we.............. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 16:02:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu May 5 15:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5dic3$i7v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Aha! So I was right about the legs. Where is Red anyway, busy with married > life I guess. > I heard from him at Christmas, he said to say 'hi' to everyone - he's busy, prolly shagging himself silly :D From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:14:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:15:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-E61806.09573705052005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > > Why am I not surprised? They wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to execute > > someone would they? > > Er...they're not making the defendant plead "guilty", they're making > them plead "not guilty". I can't see how this would increase their odds > of executing anyone. If anything, it would increase the odds of /not/ > executing them as there's a possibility of not finding them guilty of > the crime rather than simply accepting their "guilty" plea and moving > right to the penalty phase. You rarely get sentenced to death by pleading guilty (otherwise why make such a plea if not to bargain it down to life imprisonment or whatever). It's by making them face the charges that they have the best chances of getting a death sentence. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:15:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5dmb9$k5j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > WATERSPORTS?! > >> > >> > >> Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, > >> anyway........... LOL > > > > Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL > > > Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! Don't play the innocent mister. Have you voted? (completely unrelated, I hope LOL) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:17:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5dn7u$kif$3@news.spamcop.net... > | It doesn't connect to the motherboard, instead you daisy chain them off > each > | other as I recall (hence one is slaved off the other). Your only > limitation > | is power wires and slots to actually house the drive (they usually live > | above or below where your CD drive is) > > And a heavy enough power supply with sufficient capacity to carry the load > (most do BTW) Yeah. Well in her case I think the best bet would be to start over from scratch and not worry about slaving the old drive at all, that way all she really has to do is plug a new drive in where the old drive vacated. It'll be a PITA to reinstall everything but as I understand it, she's already got anything vital backed up elsewhere. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:18:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:20:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5do39$l22$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > >> Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! > > > > Especially if you *do* participate in the *other* kind of watersports! > > > > Oh! Moe is we.............. ;-) that'd be wee(ing on me) LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:18:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:20:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d5dqla$m8o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5dic3$i7v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Aha! So I was right about the legs. Where is Red anyway, busy with married > > life I guess. > > > I heard from him at Christmas, he said to say 'hi' to everyone - he's busy, prolly > shagging himself silly :D ROFL, making up for lost time huh? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu May 5 22:36:33 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 16:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5dv1v$p6d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d5do39$l22$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >> >> >> Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! >> > >> > Especially if you *do* participate in the *other* kind of watersports! >> > >> >> Oh! Moe is we.............. ;-) > > that'd be wee(ing on me) LOL Well.......... I don't know about "on you".........? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 14:40:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5e027$plo$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Oh! Moe is we.............. ;-) > > > > that'd be wee(ing on me) LOL > > Well.......... I don't know about "on you".........? certainly not on me thankyouverymuch... but that's what watersports is all about after all! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 18:14:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 17:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5dv1v$p6d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > news:d5do39$l22$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >> > >> >> Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! > >> > > >> > Especially if you *do* participate in the *other* kind of > >> > watersports! > >> > > >> > >> Oh! Moe is we.............. ;-) > > > > that'd be wee(ing on me) LOL If you were a *real* sicko watersport fan it would be "into me", not "on me".......which orifice is left to the reader's imagination...... > > Well.......... I don't know about "on you".........? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 18:15:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 5 17:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:d5dqla$m8o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > news:d5dic3$i7v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Aha! So I was right about the legs. Where is Red anyway, busy > > > with married life I guess. > > > > > I heard from him at Christmas, he said to say 'hi' to everyone - > > he's busy, prolly shagging himself silly :D > > ROFL, making up for lost time huh? Learning on the run? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 15:40:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 17:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5e2ca$qq8$1@news.spamcop.net... > If you were a *real* sicko watersport fan it would be "into me", not "on > me".......which orifice is left to the reader's imagination...... are we talking mouth or other orifice? i think i feel sick LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 15:41:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 17:45:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5e2dj$qr1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > ROFL, making up for lost time huh? > > Learning on the run? Well I hope at least he has the good sense to lie down! .... i wonder if Red's ears are burning hehehe From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 5 17:24:34 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 5 19:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Since we already have a thread running for beheadings and such.... Doesn't it seem like it would be difficult to decapitate an almost 4 year old girl with a pair of hedge clippers? re Erica Michelle Marie Green dob May 15, 1997 AKA Precious Doe. I don't know if any of you folks have ever field dressed a deer or other game, but... -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 5 17:32:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Thu May 5 19:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5e9rq$upn$1@news.spamcop.net... > Since we already have a thread running for beheadings and such.... > > > Doesn't it seem like it would be difficult to decapitate an almost 4 > year old girl with a pair of hedge clippers? > > re Erica Michelle Marie Green dob May 15, 1997 AKA Precious Doe. > > I don't know if any of you folks have ever field dressed a deer or other > game, but... It does seem to be a rather difficult task using such a tool. For those of you who'd like to read the story: http://www.modbee.com/24hour/nation/story/2370131p-10618485c.html From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 6 01:43:34 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 5 19:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5e3tb$riv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5e2ca$qq8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If you were a *real* sicko watersport fan it would be "into me", not "on >> me".......which orifice is left to the reader's imagination...... > > are we talking mouth or other orifice? i think i feel sick LOL > I can see this is degenerating into................?? So I'm baling out now... ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 5 20:32:00 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu May 5 20:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5di5n$i58$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:d5d1dk$92e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And that's just the point of the 'creationists' - children wonder > > and parents want them to be taught what the parents believe. > > > > But the problem is that even adults cannot be sure exactly how life > > and thinking beings were created or why. It is a mystery. > > Well of course we can't be sure why we are here, if there is a 'why' to even > know. We can know the how of it from fossil records and DNA evidence. So to > me the how of it kind of nullifies the why. We are an accident of evolution, > not a design or creation. If someone did design us, they hid the evidence of > it very well by creating all this other evidence to explain to us where we > came from. I don't believe that 'how' has been completely defined yet. There is still the 'missing link' between apes and humans. Genetics is getting into some areas that haven't been explored before. One of the Catholic sisters who taught my daughter said that a God that created evolution was a lot more awesome than a God who made humans out of mud. That was how she reconciled it. People do want to know 'why' - an accident of evolution (or a naturally evolving host for viruses) makes what we do in life without purpose and, therefore, without guidelines. Why should one recycle, for instance? The world won't change that much within our lifetime if we don't. And if natural forces are the end all and be all, it doesn't really matter what we do to interfere with them, they will survive in spite of us. There is no hypocrisy, there is only survival. > > I once read a theory (proposed by scientists in seriousness) that > > human beings evolved primarily as a host for viruses, that what > > drives human development is how well we transmit and house them. > > Obviously you're simplifying so I don't know why he picked on humans > particularly but it seems to me that humans don't propagate viruses any > better than other mammals would. > Well, obviously other mammals do, but humans are just a particular form of viral hosts - perhaps, a better vector for some. Kind of like the different kind of turtles. Miss Betsy From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 5 19:08:47 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 5 21:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > why should one > recycle, for instance? The world won't change that much within our > lifetime if we don't. Yabbut... in the great scheme of things, the passing thru' this corner of the universe by earth and humanity is just a transient thing. So, first there was the universe's evolution leading to the solar system's evolution, then there was earth's life and man's own philosophical evolution, which includes this god stuff fairly recently and still evolving, then pretty soon earth and earth's man will be gone, and then there will be whatever the condition of the universe is after that. Future gods or such remain to be seen by the future men who create them. I guess you could consider that a form of longterm recycling. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu May 5 22:38:21 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 5 21:40:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: If I have to get a new 'puter References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > > > The Mac Mini. You already have a keyboard, mouse and monitor. For $499 > > you get: > > But it's a MAC......nothing I have is Mac compatible, so replacing software > wouldn't exactly be a bargain. Most users will find all the software they'll ever need in the box. The Mac can read most PC file formats. And if there's a program you must run that isn't available for the Mac, there's Virtual PC from Microsoft. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu May 5 22:52:56 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 5 21:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: In article , "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > But what they seem to be saying here is that she didn't know that what she > was doing was illegal and therefore she can't plead guilty to it. In making her plea, England told the judge that she knew that the photographs of naked prisoners were intended solely for the amusement of American military guards, including herself, and that she understood her actions were wrong. But in the sentencing phase, the defense put on a witness who testified that photographs of naked prisoners taken at Abu Ghraib Prison near Baghdad had a legitimate training use for guards. The witness also said he had ordered Private England to hold a leash around the neck of a detainee and said that the leash had become attached to the prisoner's neck by accident. That's contradictory. You can't say one thing in your allocution (statement to the court pleading guilty) and then say the opposite in the sentencing phase. It's as if a defendant pleaded guilty to murder, and then during the sentencing phase offered witnesses who said he couldn't have committed the crime. The plea would be rejected and the case set for trial in either system, military or civilian. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu May 5 22:54:51 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu May 5 21:55:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: In article , Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > > Why am I not surprised? They wouldn't want to miss an opportunity to execute > > someone would they? > > Er...they're not making the defendant plead "guilty", they're making > them plead "not guilty". I can't see how this would increase their odds > of executing anyone. If anything, it would increase the odds of /not/ > executing them as there's a possibility of not finding them guilty of > the crime rather than simply accepting their "guilty" plea and moving > right to the penalty phase. Guilty verdicts at trial usually result in harsher sentences than guilty pleas. The system penalizes you for insisting on a trial to prove your guilt. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From hee.haw at jack.ass Fri May 6 00:32:25 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Thu May 5 23:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5b8bj$auf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> > >> > Ewww.....not into "watersports" myself...... >> > >> >> >> Better stick with Scotch (the drink) then.......... he he > > Almost as gross in my opinion........ > > Beer gives you more ammunition for the sports... -- The Runaway Bride... She'll stage a kidnapping to avoid a wedding! http://www.cafepress.com/dwacon/601709 From hee.haw at jack.ass Fri May 6 00:33:15 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Thu May 5 23:35:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5blut$iq7$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050504/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_england > > " Under military law, the judge could formally accept her guilty plea only > if he was convinced that she knew at the time that what she was doing was > illegal. " > > talk about one rule for them and another for everyone else! Warm up the hot seat... -- The Runaway Bride... She'll stage a kidnapping to avoid a wedding! http://www.cafepress.com/dwacon/601709 From edb2000 at spamcop.net Thu May 5 22:44:23 2005 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Fri May 6 00:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>"Porpoise" wrote in message >>news:d5cinr$1v3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>>WATERSPORTS?! >>> >>> >>>Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, >>>anyway........... LOL >> >>Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL > > > > Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! > > Experienced scuba divers know fully well that the two are not completely unrelated :-) (unless you dive in a dry suit, of course) From skiwi at spamcop.net Thu May 5 23:23:49 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri May 6 01:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] if you believe his story, I have a couple of bridges for ya, cheap... Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4510127.stm From skiwi at spamcop.net Thu May 5 23:26:37 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri May 6 01:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... Message-ID: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/national/main692814.shtml From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 6 12:03:41 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri May 6 06:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:d5esn8$87u$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message >> news:d5dhj2$hli$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL >> >> >> >> Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! > > Experienced scuba divers know fully well that the two are > not completely unrelated :-) > > (unless you dive in a dry suit, of course) Even then.............. Sometimes, accidents do happen..... ;-) I have on one occasion seen an unfortunate incident involving something other than "water" ....... eeow!!!! From devnull at spamcop.net Fri May 6 08:17:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 6 07:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" < | >> | >>>>WATERSPORTS?! | >>> | >>>Well I'm really into watersports. Well........ scubadiving, | >>>anyway........... LOL | >> | >>Somehow I don't think he meant those kinds of water sports LOL | > | > Really???!!?? Oh! Woe is me!! | | Experienced scuba divers know fully well that the two are | not completely unrelated :-) | | (unless you dive in a dry suit, of course) Or warm water areas From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri May 6 08:35:16 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri May 6 08:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5efv7$232$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yabbut... in the great scheme of things, the passing thru' this corner > of the universe by earth and humanity is just a transient thing. > > So, first there was the universe's evolution leading to the solar > system's evolution, then there was earth's life and man's own > philosophical evolution, which includes this god stuff fairly recently > and still evolving, then pretty soon earth and earth's man will be gone, > and then there will be whatever the condition of the universe is after > that. Future gods or such remain to be seen by the future men who > create them. IIRC, Steven Hawkings (and I don't know if this is still a current theory) had started to think that the universe was an endless loop - that there was no 'start' or 'end' - which doesn't fit with the concept of a god-creator, but does fit with man being one with a Higher Being and continuing in spirit after death. And I don't think that this 'god' stuff is fairly recent for humans (at least, in the evolutionary scale, there is evidence that shortly after we became a distinct species, we have sought the 'why' and created explanations). And one doesn't know what animals believe. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 09:49:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 6 08:50:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5e2ca$qq8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If you were a *real* sicko watersport fan it would be "into me", > not "on > > me".......which orifice is left to the reader's imagination...... > > are we talking mouth or other orifice? i think i feel sick LOL Ergo my usage of the word "sicko"! Right up there with bug stomping and stilleto heels to the 'nads fetishes. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 09:51:24 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 6 08:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5e2dj$qr1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > ROFL, making up for lost time huh? > > > > Learning on the run? > > Well I hope at least he has the good sense to lie down! > Why limit his lessons to basic positions? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 09:54:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 6 08:55:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cinco de Mayo is coming References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Since we already have a thread running for beheadings and such.... > > > Doesn't it seem like it would be difficult to decapitate an almost 4 > year old girl with a pair of hedge clippers? > Dunno.....my newest hedge clippers are nearly razor sharp and very well built, a couple good strong whacks would easily get right to the spinal cord........and we're talking about a pretty thin neck here, on a 4 year old girl. From heybub at gmail.com Fri May 6 09:18:11 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri May 6 09:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-E61806.09573705052005@news.cesmail.net... >> In article , >> "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: >> >>> Why am I not surprised? They wouldn't want to miss an opportunity >>> to execute someone would they? >> >> Er...they're not making the defendant plead "guilty", they're making >> them plead "not guilty". I can't see how this would increase their >> odds of executing anyone. If anything, it would increase the odds of >> /not/ executing them as there's a possibility of not finding them >> guilty of the crime rather than simply accepting their "guilty" plea >> and moving right to the penalty phase. > > You rarely get sentenced to death by pleading guilty (otherwise why > make such a plea if not to bargain it down to life imprisonment or > whatever). It's by making them face the charges that they have the > best chances of getting a death sentence. Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way. But it's irrelevant since you can't plead guilty to a capital offense in Texas. Still, if everyone so charged has an automatic "not guilty" plea, there's no incentive one way or the other for the prosecution... From agent01413 at my-deja.com Fri May 6 15:41:22 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Fri May 6 10:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <83vgwcn02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:d5f6oa$deh$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Some of these party names really crack me up. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4512411.stm > Too bad there wasn't anybody from the Church of the Militant Elvis Party > running in my district. Although, I can't figure out what the hell they > stand for, http://www.theplace4.co.uk/elvisseeninbaghdad/campaign.htm > > if you wanted them to run in your riding, I daresay you could have asked for the nomination. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 6 10:19:07 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 6 12:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> then there was earth's life and man's own >> philosophical evolution, which includes this god stuff fairly >> recently and still evolving, > And I don't think that this 'god' stuff is fairly recent for humans > (at least, in the evolutionary scale, there is evidence that > shortly after we became a distinct species, we have sought the > 'why' and created explanations). And one doesn't know what animals > believe. Yes. My current 'god' studies suggest that as soon as pre-history man started thinking enough to be philosophical that s/he started 'getting religion' -- and that probably monotheistic thinking actually preceded pan- and other theisms. Good point about the animals. I'm pretty sure they go to heaven ;-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 13:46:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri May 6 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Good point about the animals. I'm pretty sure they go to heaven ;-) At least all dogs do..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:00:14 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d5eb0t$vbu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d5e3tb$riv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:d5e2ca$qq8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > If you were a *real* sicko watersport fan it would be "into me", not "on > >> me".......which orifice is left to the reader's imagination...... > > > > are we talking mouth or other orifice? i think i feel sick LOL > > > > > I can see this is degenerating into................?? So I'm baling out > now... ;-) It was pretty degenerate a long time ago LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:06:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d5edk8$vn$1@news.spamcop.net... > I don't believe that 'how' has been completely defined yet. There > is still the 'missing link' between apes and humans. Genetics is > getting into some areas that haven't been explored before. there's enough evidence for me to accept that we evolved rather than were plonked down on the planet ready made > People do want to know 'why' - an accident of evolution (or a > naturally evolving host for viruses) makes what we do in life > without purpose and, therefore, without guidelines. Why should one > recycle, for instance? The world won't change that much within our > lifetime if we don't. And if natural forces are the end all and be > all, it doesn't really matter what we do to interfere with them, > they will survive in spite of us. There is no hypocrisy, there is > only survival. This person doesn't need to know a 'why'. I don't believe that there is one. My purpose in life is to survive relatively painlessly until the end. I personally have no desire to procreate but that is the other purpose that people commonly express. I recycle because my conscience tells me that it is better to do so than not for future generations on this earth. I care about the planet, it's my home and I don't shit in my own bed. The natural forces as you put it are certainly enough to wipe us out but we can also adversely affect the balances by being careless and wasteful. It certainly does no harm to recycle so my attitude is that I might as well do it. But even if you do think there is a 'why', has any religion satisfactorily provided an answer? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:09:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:10:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:d5esn8$87u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Experienced scuba divers know fully well that the two are > not completely unrelated :-) > > (unless you dive in a dry suit, of course) ROFL.. now that's nasty From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:11:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: if you believe his story, I have a couple of bridges for ya, cheap... References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:d5ev1a$994$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4510127.stm What a nutcase. I doubt the woman's life has been destroyed over it though, it's not like he attacked her or anything. Still, it's probably gonna be tough for her to go to interviews from now on! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:12:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:15:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:d5ev6i$994$2@news.spamcop.net... > Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/national/main692814.shtml Fairly close vote though I notice, I guess there's plenty of dirty old men in the legislature LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:15:37 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <83vgwcn02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:d5f6oa$deh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well, ok, new boss is the same as the old boss, but at least it is all > over finally. But having lived through two elections in 12 months, I > would have to say that I much prefer the British ones. They are way > less annoying and intrusive. No commercials and basically just a few > five minute party broadcasts for a few weeks, with proper programming of > the Tivo, you wouldn't even have to know there was an election going on. I believe I mentioned this fact last year when we were enduring the US election. It's a far more sensible way to run an election and doesn't involve obscene (and corrupting) amounts of money. > Some of these party names really crack me up. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4512411.stm > Too bad there wasn't anybody from the Church of the Militant Elvis Party > running in my district. Although, I can't figure out what the hell they > stand for, http://www.theplace4.co.uk/elvisseeninbaghdad/campaign.htm I see the Monster Raving Loony Party is still going strong, they've been around for a looooooong time. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:19:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:20:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d5fo0b$lgl$1@news.spamcop.net... > And I don't think that this 'god' stuff is fairly recent for humans > (at least, in the evolutionary scale, there is evidence that > shortly after we became a distinct species, we have sought the > 'why' and created explanations). And one doesn't know what animals > believe. Animals show no evidence of having higher levels of consciousness, so they don't think that way at all. And you hit the nail right on the head there... man created explanations, (and religions), in an effort to understand life the universe and everything. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 14:20:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 16:20:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A blonde joke ... that I got in a spam! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5fp5e$m2n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ergo my usage of the word "sicko"! Right up there with bug stomping and > stilleto heels to the 'nads fetishes. now you're making my eyes water ... and no doubt a few of the male observers cross their legs in anguish LOL From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 6 14:52:29 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 6 16:55:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Miss Betsy" >> And one doesn't know what animals >> believe. > Animals show no evidence of having higher levels of consciousness, so > they don't think that way at all. Animals laugh and cry and mourn and know when and how to lie down and die. They are loyal and self sacrificing and typically morally strong. Man is more of an animal than the credit s/he takes for being something /specially/ sentient; and a bad man is morally inferior to a good animal. If anything is one of 'god's creatures', it must be the animals and not man. A lot of religion is all about making man something special, depending upon the religion. And, before we get too much into species-ism or phylum-ism -- we should keep those other kingdoms in mind. What about god's creatures the plants and microbes? Earth's man is currently technologically far superior to the other organisms here and seems to own the world at the present -- but not only does that not mean that's the way it has always been, it also doesn't mean that's the way it will always be. Microbes to plants to dinos to man to beetles or cyberbeings or something else. We aren't as special as we would like to think we are -- except that there probably are a whole lot less unusual water planets like this than Sagan tho't. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Fri May 6 18:34:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 6 17:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896&cachetime=5 May 6, 2005 Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush The Associated Press The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find another place of worship or support President Bush. Already, the Reverend Chan Chandler has ex-communicated nine members of East Waynesville Baptist Church. Another 40 members have left in protest. During last Sunday's sermon, he acknowledged that church members were upset because he named people, and he says he'll do it again because he has to according to the word of God. Chandler could not be reached for comment today, but says his actions weren't politically motivated. One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and agree to vote for Bush. A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not the preacher. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 16:20:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 18:25:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5glam$5nl$1@news.spamcop.net... > Animals laugh and cry and mourn and know when and how to lie down and > die. They are loyal and self sacrificing and typically morally strong. But they are not generally self aware and they demonstrate no signs of higher thinking. Ergo I do not believe that they have any notions of 'where did I come from' or 'who made me' and so on. You are personifying them by saying that they are morally strong. They do not have morals as such, not the way we interpret morals, because they do not have a notion of 'right' and 'wrong'. A dog (or wolf) will know when he does something likely to get him punished, not because he makes a value judgement but because he's been punished for it several times before and thus his behaviour is modified, though I'll grant that some animals are born with retained knowledge from past generations which guides some behaviours. Regardng self-sacrificing; can you truthfully say that they know the likely outcome of a certain action is going to be death? Do you have examples of such behaviour that prove beyond a doubt that it is real self sacrifice behaviour being demonstrated? A dog may jump into a frozen lake to help his master, but that does not show that he knows he may perish and is willing to do it anyway. It merely shows that he is loyal and regards his master as someone in his pack who should be protected from harm. I'm not arguing that dogs and other animals have feelings, they obviously do. But they aren't lying there in front of the fire pondering questions of religion or deity. > Man is more of an animal than the credit s/he takes for being something > /specially/ sentient; and a bad man is morally inferior to a good > animal. Of course man is an animal, that goes without saying. I would hesitate to say that a bad man necessarily should be killed in preference to killing an animal. Perhaps so, in some extremely bad cases (I do not believe in the death penalty except in the most extreme and well proven cases). > If anything is one of 'god's creatures', it must be the animals and not > man. A lot of religion is all about making man something special, > depending upon the religion. Quite so. After all, the animals don't go about destroying their environment; they're not that foolish. Religions talk about God making man in his own image, thus elevating man to the status of a near-god. This is ancient man's means of explaining how he came to look the way he does. > Earth's man is currently technologically far superior to the other > organisms here and seems to own the world at the present -- but not only > does that not mean that's the way it has always been, it also doesn't > mean that's the way it will always be. Well of course, most likely we'll see to that ourselves by destroying ourselves and a lot of the other species on this world, leaving a gap for something else to step in from this planet, or from somewhere else. An intelligent being may or may not develop again, in our absence. I'd say the chances are slim but not impossible. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 16:22:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 18:25:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5gnt0$734$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896&cachetime=5 > A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not > the preacher. nor, presumably, Bush if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher From borgholio at storymind.com Fri May 6 17:14:37 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri May 6 19:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Time Travel Convention tomorrow. Message-ID: No, really. CAMBRIDGE, Mass., May 5 - Suppose it is the future -- maybe a thousand years from now. There is no static cling, diapers change themselves, and everyone who is anyone summers on Mars. What's more, it is possible to travel back in time, to any place, any era. Where would people go? Would they zoom to a 2005 Saturday night for chips and burgers in a college courtyard, eager to schmooze with computer science majors possessing way too many brain cells? Why not, say some students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who have organized what they call the first convention for time travelers. Actually, they contend that theirs is the only time traveler convention the world needs, because people from the future can travel to it anytime they want. "I would hope they would come with the idea of showing us that time travel is possible," said Amal Dorai, 22, the graduate student who thought up the convention, which is to be this Saturday on the M.I.T. campus. "Maybe they could leave something with us. It is possible they might look slightly different, the shape of the head, the body proportions." The event is potluck and alcohol-free - present-day humans are bringing things like brownies. But Mr. Dorai's Web site asks that future-folk bring something to prove they are really ahead of our time: "Things like a cure for AIDS or cancer, a solution for global poverty or a cold fusion reactor would be particularly convincing as well as greatly appreciated." He would also welcome people from only a few days in the future, far enough to, say, give him a few stock market tips. Mr. Dorai and fellow organizers are the kind of people who transplant a snowblower engine into a sleeper sofa and drive the couch around Cambridge. (If the upholstery were bright red, it could be a midlife crisis convertible for couch potatoes.) They built a human-size hamster wheel - eight feet in diameter. And they concocted the "pizza button," a plexiglass pizza slice mounted in their hallway; when pressed, it calls up a Web site and arranges for pizza delivery 30 minutes later. (For anyone wanting to try this at home, the contraption uses a Huffman binary code. It takes fewer keystrokes to order the most popular toppings, like pepperoni, more keystrokes for less popular extras, like onions.) At the convention, they plan to introduce a robot with an "infrared pyro-electric detector," designed to follow anything that emits heat, including humans. "It's supposed to be our pet," said Adam Kraft, 22, a senior. "It needs fur," added David Nelson, 23, a graduate student. While Mr. Dorai has precisely calculated that "the odds of a time traveler showing up are between one in a million and one in a trillion," organizers have tried to make things inviting. In case their august university does not exist forever, they have posted the latitude and longitude of the East Campus Courtyard (42:21:36.025 degrees north, 71:05:16.332 degrees west). A roped-off area, including part of an improvised volleyball court, will create a landing pad so materializing time-travel machines will not crash into trees or dormitories. To set the mood, organizers plan to display a DeLorean - the sleek but short-lived 1980's car that was the time-traveling vehicle in the "Back to the Future" movies. At first, Mr. Dorai urged people to publicize the event with methods likely to last. "Write the details down on a piece of acid-free paper," he directed, "and slip them into obscure books in academic libraries!" But Mr. Dorai said the response was so overwhelming that the police, concerned about security, had asked that anyone who had not replied by Wednesday not be allowed to attend. No future-guests are confirmed as of yet, although one responder purports to be from 2026. But among the 100 likely attendees, there are those from another time zone - Chicago - and from New York, which at least likes to think of itself as light-years ahead. "I'm keeping my fingers crossed," said Erik D. Demaine, an M.I.T. mathematician who will be one of the professors speaking. There will also be two bands, the Hong Kong Regulars and Off-White Noise, performing new, time-travel-apropos tunes. "If you subscribe to alternative-world theory, then time travel makes sense at some level," said Professor Demaine, who would like future-guests to bring answers to mathematical mysteries. "The universe is inherently uncertain, and at various times it's essentially flipping coins to make a decision. At any point, there's the heads version of the world and the tails version of the world. We think that we actually live in one of them, and you could imagine that there's actually many versions of the universe, including one where suddenly you appear from 10 years in the future." If you can not imagine that, consider Erin Rhode's view of time travel. "I kind of think if it's going to happen, it'll be the wormhole theory," said Ms. Rhode, 23, a recent graduate, adding, "If you create a stable wormhole," a hole in space, "people can go back to visit it." William McGehee, 19, a freshman who helped build a "Saturday Night Fever"-like dance floor in his dorm, said, "It's pretty obvious if time travel does occur, then it doesn't cause the universe to explode." And Sam McVeety, 18, a freshman, wondered if wearing a tinfoil hat would be comforting or insulting to future-people. Mr. Dorai has had quirky brainstorms before: proposing the imprisonment of Bill Watterson, the retired cartoonist, to force him to continue his "Calvin and Hobbes" comic strip; and donning the costume of M.I.T.'s mascot, the beaver, while climbing the statue of John Harvard, namesake of that other Cambridge college. That incident went awry when some Harvard men swiped a paw. But Mr. Dorai's time travel idea seems to have legs. "If you can just give up a Saturday night, there's a very small chance at it being the biggest event in human history," he said. And if it is a flop, futuristically speaking? Well, Mr. Dorai reasoned, "Certainly, if no one from the future shows up, that won't prove that it's impossible." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri May 6 17:42:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri May 6 19:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:d5gtoi$9pd$1@news.spamcop.net... > No, really. Hey, it's worth a shot! > But Mr. Dorai's Web site asks that future-folk bring > something to prove they are really ahead of our time: "Things like a cure > for AIDS or cancer, a solution for global poverty or a cold fusion reactor > would be particularly convincing as well as greatly appreciated." Oh nothing small then LOL. Supposing we could travel back to say 1950, what amazing gadget from today would you take? I'd suggest a cell phone but it wouldn't work 'then'. An ipod I guess would be a good one, and a laptop computer (though again of course, no internet) or two with a wireless router would be sure to shock and amaze. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri May 6 17:49:29 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri May 6 19:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:d5gtoi$9pd$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>No, really. > > > Hey, it's worth a shot! > > >>But Mr. Dorai's Web site asks that future-folk bring >>something to prove they are really ahead of our time: "Things like a cure >>for AIDS or cancer, a solution for global poverty or a cold fusion reactor >>would be particularly convincing as well as greatly appreciated." > > > Oh nothing small then LOL. > > Supposing we could travel back to say 1950, what amazing gadget from today > would you take? I'd suggest a cell phone but it wouldn't work 'then'. An > ipod I guess would be a good one, and a laptop computer (though again of > course, no internet) or two with a wireless router would be sure to shock > and amaze. > > > 1950? Hmm...well it depends on a few variables. First, is it just for display or am I actually giving it to them? Second, am I going back at this very moment or later in the future? If it's just for display, then I'd bring back a tablet PC with a virtual encyclopedia. If it's a gift, then I'd wait a few years and bring back a cure for AIDS. :) From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 6 17:52:48 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 6 19:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" > > Animals laugh and cry and mourn and know > But they are not generally self aware and they demonstrate no signs of > higher thinking. Ergo I do not believe that they have any notions of > 'where did I come from' or 'who made me' and so on. Koko the gorilla who speaks in ASL American Sign Language and goes on the internet and tells about how she wants a baby and dreams of freedom can also answer questions about where gorillas go when they die and such as that. Here's a little about Koko and Michael http://www.abslogic.com/CaseForPersonhood.htm THE CASE FOR THE PERSONHOOD OF GORILLAS There's a lot written about animal cognition. Most of the time it is pretty hard to figure out, but a lot of animals do some very smart things which requires quite a lot of 'synthesis' - not reflex. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri May 6 18:51:23 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri May 6 20:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:d5gnt0$734$1@news.spamcop.net... > > http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896&cachetime=5 > > A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not > >>the preacher. > > > nor, presumably, Bush > > if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? From devnull at spamcop.net Fri May 6 22:17:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 6 21:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" | > > A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not the preacher. | > nor, presumably, Bush | > | > if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher | | | do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? Actually the protocols were not followed and the 'expelled' member have considerable recourse including legal action and firing the preacher. From heybub at gmail.com Fri May 6 22:04:07 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri May 6 22:05:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896&cachetime=5 > > May 6, 2005 > Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush > The Associated Press > > The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of > his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find > another place of worship or support President Bush. > > Already, the Reverend Chan Chandler has ex-communicated nine members > of East Waynesville Baptist Church. Another 40 members have left in > protest. > > During last Sunday's sermon, he acknowledged that church members were > upset because he named people, and he says he'll do it again because > he has to according to the word of God. > > Chandler could not be reached for comment today, but says his actions > weren't politically motivated. > > One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that > if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their > positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and > agree to vote for Bush. > > A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not > the preacher. 'Bout damned time. From heybub at gmail.com Fri May 6 22:08:25 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri May 6 22:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important > stuff'... > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/national/main692814.shtml Notice there are no pending restrictions on girls in the National Honor Society. Seriously, though, we've got to chill-out these little tarts. It's the first step on the road tosex with football players, unwanted babies, living in a single-wide, and, before you know it, dancing. From agent01413 at my-deja.com Sat May 7 03:24:44 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Fri May 6 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:d5gvdc$amk$1@news.spamcop.net: > Supposing we could travel back to say 1950, what amazing gadget from > today would you take? I'd suggest a cell phone but it wouldn't work > 'then'. An ipod I guess would be a good one, and a laptop computer > (though again of course, no internet) or two with a wireless router > would be sure to shock and amaze. The NY Times financial section for the week following the convention, along with the Daily Racing Form for a week. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From agent01413 at my-deja.com Sat May 7 03:26:24 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Fri May 6 22:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote in news:d5gvpu$aui$1@news.spamcop.net: > If it's a gift, then I'd wait a few years and bring back a cure for > AIDS. :) > polio first. remember that Salk wasn't around until 1956 at least IMS -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From devnull at spamcop.net Sat May 7 00:14:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 6 23:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Here goes the rest of the old growth forest. References: Message-ID: Wood burning truck was featured on CNN a couple of weeks ago. http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/11145072538530.xml From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri May 6 21:38:58 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri May 6 23:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Skiwi" > > | > > A former church treasurer says she's at church to worship God and not > the preacher. > > | > nor, presumably, Bush > | > > | > if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher > | > | > | do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? > > Actually the protocols were not followed and the 'expelled' member have > considerable recourse including legal action and firing the preacher. That was what I guessed... My Mum is a baptist, and as much as they like the F&B stuff they also like to be very structured in their chain of command - sort of like the conservatives I guess! :-) Along similar lines, re-ignoring the preacher (sic!) here, MS went back to its original support of the gay relationships stuff in the legisture here in WA - too late of course, as the bill has alreday been voted upon (and lost by one vote!) - can anyone say "having cake and eating it too..." From devnull at spamcop.net Sat May 7 00:29:23 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 6 23:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d5h7uj$ese$1@news.spamcop.net... | Skiwi wrote: | > Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important | > stuff'... | > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/national/main692814.shtml | | Notice there are no pending restrictions on girls in the National Honor | Society. | | Seriously, though, we've got to chill-out these little tarts. It's the first | step on the road tosex with football players, unwanted babies, living in a | single-wide, and, before you know it, dancing. Yea they might learn the Texas Side Step and wind up running for president. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat May 7 00:06:45 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat May 7 00:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5gqk2$8c3$1@news.spamcop.net... > You are personifying them by > saying that they are morally strong. They do not have morals as such, not > the way we interpret morals, because they do not have a notion of 'right' > and 'wrong'. A dog (or wolf) will know when he does something likely to get > him punished, not because he makes a value judgement but because he's been > punished for it several times before and thus his behaviour is modified, Some behavioral psychologists think that humans learn the same way. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat May 7 00:21:12 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat May 7 00:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5gioi$4bl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:d5edk8$vn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I don't believe that 'how' has been completely defined yet. There > > is still the 'missing link' between apes and humans. Genetics is > > getting into some areas that haven't been explored before. > > there's enough evidence for me to accept that we evolved rather than were > plonked down on the planet ready made For some religious persons it is the 'soul' that makes us different than other animals and when it was added is when 'humans' were 'created.' > I recycle because my conscience tells me that it is > better to do so than not for future generations on this earth. I care about > the planet, it's my home and I don't shit in my own bed. I snipped the part about painlessly - recycling (and other conservation methods) is a big pain to me! I wouldn't do it for future generations if it weren't for my religious convictions. >The natural forces > as you put it are certainly enough to wipe us out but we can also adversely > affect the balances by being careless and wasteful. Sure, we can affect the balances, but it doesn't bother nature - it evolves and keeps on going. > But even if > you do think there is a 'why', has any religion satisfactorily provided an > answer? Yes. In fact, most of the current major religions (and some of the smaller ones) seem to provide the same basic answers. There is a "Higher Power" that connects us all and connects us with nature. And the 'rules' of the Higher Power show that respect for that 'power' and concern for others guide us to a peaceful, fruitful life. It is expressed differently for different cultures and different times, but like the Jewish Mensch, there are always some who understand even though most get bogged down in the differences. Miss Betsy From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 6 22:28:58 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 7 00:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > I snipped the part about painlessly - recycling (and other > conservation methods) is a big pain to me! I wouldn't do it for > future generations if it weren't for my religious convictions. I'm a 'strong' recycler -- and I'm about as secular as you can get. I don't think I 'grok' religious recycling; but of course that's a secularist's point of view. "I would steal and murder and covet all over the place if it weren't for God's commandments." Not. > Yes. In fact, most of the current major religions (and some of the > smaller ones) seem to provide the same basic answers. Correct. Also a lot of antagonism toward the other religions. Downright hostility. Murderous intolerance. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 7 12:05:03 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat May 7 06:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5hg2j$j9s$1@news.spamcop.net... > Miss Betsy wrote: > > >> Yes. In fact, most of the current major religions (and some of the >> smaller ones) seem to provide the same basic answers. > > Correct. Also a lot of antagonism toward the other religions. > Downright hostility. Murderous intolerance. > That's the biggest problem I have - with religious organisations (not with the religions themselves). From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 7 12:06:41 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat May 7 06:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:d5h3eg$cq3$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> "Frog Prince" wrote in message >> news:d5gnt0$734$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher > > > do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat May 7 07:23:10 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat May 7 07:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5hg2j$j9s$1@news.spamcop.net... > "I would steal and murder and covet all over the place if it weren't for > God's commandments." > The 'South Pacific' song about 'you have to be taught to hate' is true to some extent, but not entirely. I suppose it is in a way 'teaching' to learn from experience, but I discovered in raising children that they learn prejudice, on their own, without adult example. There are also some people who are virtuous by nature and others who are not. For instance, I am rarely jealous. It is not a big deal to obey that commandment. (however, when I do experience jealousy, it is hard to deal with because I don't have experience with it). And IMHO, there would be a lot more stealing and lying and coveting if there were no religious rules that have been made into secular laws. Secular people learn what is right and wrong from the society and its laws (and mores) which are, in a large part, created by those who do follow religious guidelines like the commandments. They may, as adults, internalize them (aka conscience). When religious teaching was banned from the schools, teachers discovered that 'values' needed to be taught. I don't fault adults for not wanting to belong to a church because in every church, there is hypocrisy and many things that have nothing to do with the basics, and many times even contradictory to them. And IMHO it doesn't matter much whether a child is brought up within the church or not since, as adults, s/he has a choice. In fact, must make a choice in order to have a 'good' conscience. Miss Betsy > > Yes. In fact, most of the current major religions (and some of the > > smaller ones) seem to provide the same basic answers. > > Correct. Also a lot of antagonism toward the other religions. > Downright hostility. Murderous intolerance. Not in what the religion has as its basic teaching. It is the 'believers' who twist the teaching to create hostility. However, l ike the Mensch, there are always a few who get down to the basics. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Sat May 7 09:07:22 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 7 08:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | >> | >> if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher | > | > | > do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? | | Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? ROFL In this neck of the woods he would be one of the choirboys (singing soprano and unable to reproduce) if young boys (or girls for that matter) were his preference From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat May 7 15:09:42 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat May 7 10:10:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: Borgholio on 07/05/2005 wrote: > If it's a gift, then I'd wait a few years and bring back a cure for > AIDS. :) Sorry, but, it is illegal to take anything back that could change future history. Rob (Time cop from 2110) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat May 7 15:15:39 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat May 7 10:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat on 06/05/2005 wrote: > I see the Monster Raving Loony Party is still going strong, they've > been around for a looooooong time. Do you know how they got their name? They once suggested in their policy to ban cars from city centres and have pedestrian precincts, they were attacked over it and called a Monster Raving Loony Party so they adopted the name. There are now pedestrian precincts where cars are banned in most cities. Screaming Lord Such for World President :-) Rob From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat May 7 16:28:17 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 7 15:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896& > cachetime=5 > > May 6, 2005 > Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush > The Associated Press > > The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of > his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find > another place of worship or support President Bush. > One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that > if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their > positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and > agree to vote for Bush. Vote for him how? When? Doesn't the "minister" know that the Shrub can't run again? It's obvious his grasp of the U.S. government is as weak as that of the bible. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat May 7 16:29:47 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 7 15:30:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: In article , "Porpoise" wrote: > "Skiwi" wrote in message > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > >> "Frog Prince" wrote in message > >> > >> if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher > > > > do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? > > Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? Wrong church. You're thinking of the Catholics. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat May 7 16:34:05 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 7 15:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > CAMBRIDGE, Mass., May 5 - Suppose it is the future -- maybe a thousand years > from now. There is no static cling, diapers change themselves, and everyone > who is anyone summers on Mars. > > What's more, it is possible to travel back in time, to any place, any era. > Where would people go? Would they zoom to a 2005 Saturday night for chips > and burgers in a college courtyard, eager to schmooze with computer science > majors possessing way too many brain cells? > > Why not, say some students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who > have organized what they call the first convention for time travelers. > > Actually, they contend that theirs is the only time traveler convention the > world needs, because people from the future can travel to it anytime they > want. I think I'll attend last year. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From skiwi at spamcop.net Sat May 7 14:00:35 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sat May 7 16:05:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob W. wrote: [snip] > What ever happened to moderation? As the mayor of Spokane, WA shows your about conservatives, those who complain the loudest are offering trying to disguise their own interest... :-) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat May 7 18:08:31 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 7 17:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: National Weather Service References: <7021-426ECBE1-251@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: In article , "Bob W." wrote: > Sounds dumb to me... Hey, it's Rick Santorum's idea. It's _guaranteed_ to be dumb. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 8 00:27:53 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat May 7 18:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-16A476.15294707052005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > >> "Skiwi" wrote in message >> >> Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? > > Wrong church. You're thinking of the Catholics. Don't they have choirs too??? AFAIK it's non-denominational............ From heybub at gmail.com Sat May 7 18:41:09 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sat May 7 18:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here goes the rest of the old growth forest. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Wood burning truck was featured on CNN a couple of weeks ago. > > http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/11145072538530.xml No biggie. He only uses the truck to get more wood. From heybub at gmail.com Sat May 7 18:49:18 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sat May 7 18:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896& >> cachetime=5 >> >> May 6, 2005 >> Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush >> The Associated Press >> >> The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of >> his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find >> another place of worship or support President Bush. > > > >> One former church member says Chandler told some of the members that >> if they didn't support George Bush, they needed to resign their >> positions and get out of the church, or go to the altar, repent and >> agree to vote for Bush. > > Vote for him how? When? Doesn't the "minister" know that the Shrub > can't > run again? It's obvious his grasp of the U.S. government is as weak as > that of the bible. He meant, no doubt, JEB Bush. For eight years. Then there's that good-looking Hispanic nephew. Everybody gets used to the dynasty. It's then only a small step to a monarchy. Next we can concentrate on annexing the good parts of Canada. Or maybe trade our north-east for Canada's western provinces. Yeah, that sounds better. Quebec can be North America's Luxemborg. Or Somalia. Yep, the path is clear, the goal is in sight. Kinda like the new road rules for our national forests. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:43:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] LOL Message-ID: http://www.wnbc.com/news/4458231/detail.html From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:46:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: i admit, i'm obsessed with this site References: Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote in message news:responseguard-4E6F01.11544407052005@news.cesmail.net... > Don't hate me, but... I, uh, used to live straight down the street from > it, so it took me about 5 seconds. > > Enter "2400 N. Beachwood Dr., Los Angeles", then click the North/Up > arrow twice... then drag the zoom handle all the way up. Et voila! Yeah, but you knew the address! All I had to go on was its approximate position relative to Griffith Observatory which is where I've most usually seen it from. It kind of blends into the background so it's hard to spot. > Hey, their satellite pix are better than Expedia's... > > I'd heard the new feature was were good, but it's great! > > Kewl! I think I've exhausted it for the time being LOL, I can't think of anywhere else to 'visit' at present. I've done most of the big cities and most places of interest that I could come up with. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:48:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: i admit, i'm obsessed with this site References: Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote in message news:responseguard-436439.12104007052005@news.cesmail.net... > Most definitely... > > I looked for my childhood home in the hills of Pennsylvania, and the > Google sat pic is not only closer/more detailed, it's also much more > recent... Google shows a lot of new development -- entire shopping > centers and such -- that aren't there in the TS pics. And then there's > the color... It's very hit and miss though, large areas of the country haven't been done in detail yet. I daresay they'll get around to it eventually. Neverland was cool, like a mini Disneyland in the middle of nowhere. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:50:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:d5gvpu$aui$1@news.spamcop.net... > 1950? Hmm...well it depends on a few variables. First, is it just for > display or am I actually giving it to them? Second, am I going back at this > very moment or later in the future? If it's just for display, then I'd > bring back a tablet PC with a virtual encyclopedia. If it's a gift, then > I'd wait a few years and bring back a cure for AIDS. :) Better yet, warn them about HIV and how to prevent its spread. Of course they probably wouldn't listen. Maybe if you had the tablet PC with its encyclopedia on it they may be more inclined to believe you. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:52:24 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:55:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message news:Xns964ECF955E20Cagent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > news:d5gvdc$amk$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Supposing we could travel back to say 1950, what amazing gadget from > > today would you take? I'd suggest a cell phone but it wouldn't work > > 'then'. An ipod I guess would be a good one, and a laptop computer > > (though again of course, no internet) or two with a wireless router > > would be sure to shock and amaze. > > The NY Times financial section for the week following the convention, along > with the Daily Racing Form for a week. We haven't yet reached the week following the convention. I was thinking more along the lines of what to take to amaze someone in 1950, not how to get rich. If I went back to 1950, I could go prepared with some info on horse races for the intended time of visitation. I guess I'd also have to dig up some old money from somewhere cos if I tried to put bets on using today's money they wouldn't accept it! From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:52:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:d5ii76$3rg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Borgholio on 07/05/2005 wrote: > > > If it's a gift, then I'd wait a few years and bring back a cure for > > AIDS. :) > > Sorry, but, it is illegal to take anything back that could change > future history. > > Rob (Time cop from 2110) LOL. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:54:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 19:55:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:d5iiib$3rg$2@news.spamcop.net... > Do you know how they got their name? They once suggested in their > policy to ban cars from city centres and have pedestrian precincts, > they were attacked over it and called a Monster Raving Loony Party so > they adopted the name. There are now pedestrian precincts where cars > are banned in most cities. Is that right? Well I guess they're not so Loony as they make out! > > Screaming Lord Such for World President :-) Don't know about that... we've already got a lunatic as President. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 17:59:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat May 7 20:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... References: Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote in message news:responseguard-69BDAF.12455607052005@news.cesmail.net... > I tell you what... When I'm channel-surfing and come across some high > school dance team competition on ESPN, I don't know whether to keep > flipping channels or call my cable company and complain that they > unlocked a soft-core pr0n PPV channel. ya right Bob heheheheh > > Have you SEEN the moves these girls do now? Hell no LOL, I think I removed ESPN from my channel line up. > Nowadays, I have to keep the sound turned down low so my neighbors don't > know I'm watching it. hahahahhahahahaha > > > > Seriously, the legislature may be dumb to try to put through a bill on > this, but -- or maybe because -- the schools don't care and the > communities don't care... It's all just a "normal" part of the general > cultural sleaze escalation. > > On the other hand, with the stinkin' wingnuts trying to ban everything, > there should be no surprise that there's a legislative backlash. > > What ever happened to moderation? It got squeezed out from both sides. From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sat May 7 19:04:38 2005 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sat May 7 21:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > I think I'll attend last year. According to the conference organizers, there is only need for the one conference, since time-travelers can attend it from whenever. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat May 7 22:11:01 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat May 7 21:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Time Travel Convention tomorrow. References: Message-ID: In article , Socks the Whitehouse Cat wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in > > > Supposing we could travel back to say 1950, what amazing gadget from > > today would you take? I'd suggest a cell phone but it wouldn't work > > 'then'. An ipod I guess would be a good one, and a laptop computer > > (though again of course, no internet) or two with a wireless router > > would be sure to shock and amaze. > > The NY Times financial section for the week following the convention, along > with the Daily Racing Form for a week. The time-travelling protagonist in "Replay" by Ken Grimwood did something like that on one of his loops into the past. It turned out very badly for him. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From edb2000 at spamcop.net Sat May 7 19:47:29 2005 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sat May 7 21:50:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://www.wnbc.com/news/4458231/detail.html I gotta ask: all the pictures being shown on the news feature this wild-eyed look, making her appear to be more than slightly crazed. Is she really like that, or is it more like the Nat'l Enquirer type of tactic of only choosing to publish unflattering photos? From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 23:22:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat May 7 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:d5jr3h$o68$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I gotta ask: all the pictures being shown on the news feature > this wild-eyed look, making her appear to be more than slightly > crazed. Is she really like that, or is it more like the Nat'l > Enquirer type of tactic of only choosing to publish unflattering > photos? I thought the same thing- I've seen several pictures of her and they're all the same - I think she's kinda scary.... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat May 7 23:23:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat May 7 22:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-91D46E.19403507052005@frylock.local... > > Animals kill and maim with no regard to whether it is right or wrong. > Watch Animal Planet sometime. Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat May 7 23:41:11 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 7 23:10:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | > >> | > >> if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher | > > | > > do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? | > | > Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? | | Wrong church. You're thinking of the Catholics. Baptist are big on youth choirs ... From devnull at spamcop.net Sat May 7 23:46:01 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 7 23:10:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" | > | > Animals kill and maim with no regard to whether it is right or wrong. | > Watch Animal Planet sometime. | | Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, | revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. Never watched a house cat play with a mouse? From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 00:26:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 00:20:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Mothers salute References: Message-ID: 1. My mother taught me to APPRECIATE A JOB WELL DONE. "If you're going to kill each other, do it outside. I just cleaned." 2. My mother taught me about RELIGION. "You better pray that will come out of the carpet." 3. My mother taught me about TIME TRAVEL. "If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" 4. My mother taught me about LOGIC. "Because I said so, that's why." 5. My mother taught me about FORESIGHT. "Make sure you wear clean underwear, in case you're in an accident." 6. My mother taught me about IRONY. "Keep crying, and I'll give you something to cry about." 7. My mother taught me about STAMINA. "You'll sit there until all that spinach is gone." 8. My mother taught me about WEATHER. "This room of yours looks like a tornado went through it." 9. My mother taught me about HYPOCRISY. "If I told you once, I've told you a million times. Don't exaggerate!" 10. My mother taught me about the CIRCLE OF LIFE. "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out." 11. My mother taught me about BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION. "Stop acting like your father!" 12. My mother taught me about ENVY. "There are millions of children in this world who don't have wonderful parents like you do." 13. My mother taught me about ANTICIPATION. "Just wait until we get home." 14. My mother taught me about RECEIVING. "You are going to get it when you get home!" 15. My mother taught me about MEDICAL SCIENCE. "If you don't stop crossing your eyes, they'll freeze that way." 16. My mother taught me about ESP. "Put your sweater on. I know you'll be cold." 17. My mother taught me about HUMOR. "When that lawnmower cuts off your toes, don't come running to me." 18. My mother taught me HOW TO BECOME AN ADULT. "If you don't eat your vegetables, you'll never grow up." 19. My mother taught me about GENETICS. "You're just like your father." 20. My mother taught me about WISDOM. "When you get to be my age, you'll understand." Stolen from someone unknown. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 01:50:18 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 00:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! Message-ID: http://www.morganton.com/scripts/isapi_srun.dll/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MNH%2FMGArticle%2FMNH_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782592432&path=%21news &DPL=JvsIDSP7Dg0m5hcQJfsKFhc%3d&tacodalogin=yes From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 02:11:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 01:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! (pass word) References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5k5qi$tdl$1@news.spamcop.net... | http://www.morganton.com/scripts/isapi_srun.dll/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MNH%2FMGArticle%2FMNH_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782592432&path=%21news | &DPL=JvsIDSP7Dg0m5hcQJfsKFhc%3d&tacodalogin=yes | user me@privacy.net pass 123456 From agent01413 at my-deja.com Sun May 8 11:06:18 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Sun May 8 06:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote in news:d5jr3h$o68$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> http://www.wnbc.com/news/4458231/detail.html > > I gotta ask: all the pictures being shown on the news feature > this wild-eyed look, making her appear to be more than slightly > crazed. Is she really like that, or is it more like the Nat'l > Enquirer type of tactic of only choosing to publish unflattering > photos? I've noticed a tendency in candid shots for the photo subject to get kind of bug-eyed. I've seen it in myself too. I dont have an explanation, but that's why I have a couple of pictures taken each time. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 8 06:48:28 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 8 06:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5jvr2$qfb$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "Heidi" > | > > | > Animals kill and maim with no regard to whether it is right or wrong. > | > Watch Animal Planet sometime. > | > | Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, > | revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. > > > Never watched a house cat play with a mouse? Yes! Our cat was totally useless to keep the indoor mouse population down because he would play with them and lose them behind bookcases or under furniture. Miss Betsy From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Sun May 8 15:58:19 2005 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Sun May 8 07:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d5kqg4$726$1@news.spamcop.net... SNIP > Yes! Our cat was totally useless to keep the indoor mouse > population down because he would play with them and lose them > behind bookcases or under furniture. > > Miss Betsy So, why didn't you get another cat? Lucky for us, ours were always good for Varmint control. From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 09:15:58 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 09:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] And Episcopal Bishop Evicts References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.the-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050506/APN/505060896&cachetime=5 > > May 6, 2005 > Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush > The Associated Press [...] http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050508-120546-7180r.htm "Many parishioners in a small but active Episcopal congregation in Midland [Texas] are reeling after an order from their bishop to leave church property if they can't adhere to the tenets of the national Episcopal church [regarding homosexuals]." Thirty-one of the congregants remain in the church - the rest [~280] have to leave. From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 12:59:39 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 13:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mothers salute References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: Mine taught me to speak up: "I can't hear you dear; you'll have to whine louder." From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 13:01:16 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 13:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> http://www.wnbc.com/news/4458231/detail.html > > I gotta ask: all the pictures being shown on the news feature > this wild-eyed look, making her appear to be more than slightly > crazed. Is she really like that, or is it more like the Nat'l > Enquirer type of tactic of only choosing to publish unflattering > photos? As it turns out, she jilted another finace eight years ago and has done hard time for shoplifting. Regular space cadet. From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 13:03:44 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 13:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important stuff'... References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:d5h7uj$ese$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Skiwi wrote: >>> Glad to see the Texas legislators are working on the 'important >>> stuff'... >>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/04/national/main692814.shtml >> >> Notice there are no pending restrictions on girls in the National >> Honor Society. >> >> Seriously, though, we've got to chill-out these little tarts. It's >> the first step on the road tosex with football players, unwanted >> babies, living in a single-wide, and, before you know it, dancing. > > Yea they might learn the Texas Side Step and wind up running for > president. Not to worry: I don't think a female will be elected president during their lifetimes. From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun May 8 12:02:44 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun May 8 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.morganton.com/scripts/isapi_srun.dll/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MNH%2FMGArticle%2FMNH_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782592432&path=%21news > &DPL=JvsIDSP7Dg0m5hcQJfsKFhc%3d&tacodalogin=yes very cool! glad to be reminded that there are such people in the world! :-) unwrapped link is From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun May 8 12:20:32 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun May 8 14:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Female president... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: [snip] > Not to worry: I don't think a female will be elected president during their > lifetimes. Imagine Hillary in the Whitehouse It's easy if you try No unlitateral executive Above us only not-a-WASP-guy Imagine those in Congress Voting without being influenced, ah-ha Imagine the US invading no countries It isn't hard to NOT! do No directives from PNAC to kill or die for And no 'men of god' (sic) directing you Imagine all the military Just defending the peace You, may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the country will be sane again... From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun May 8 15:59:15 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 8 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > | > >> if anyone should be 'ex-communicated' it's this nutcase of a preacher > | > > > | > > do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? > | > > | > Hold back his supply of choirboys for a month.............?? > | > | Wrong church. You're thinking of the Catholics. > > Baptist are big on youth choirs ... I was thinking in terms of what the preacher might be doing to the choirboys. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From turan.fe at web.de Sun May 8 22:13:58 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun May 8 15:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: > The minister of a Haywood County Baptist church is telling members of > his congregation that if they're Democrats, they either need to find > another place of worship or support President Bush. Anybody can vow to vote for Bush next time, because Bush may not run for a third term. Otherwise, to be excommunicated from this church would be an honour. Turan From turan.fe at web.de Sun May 8 22:15:44 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun May 8 15:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: > I was thinking in terms of what the preacher might be doing to the > choirboys. In a Baptist church, the preacher's wife will not be amused in such a case! Turan From turan.fe at web.de Sun May 8 22:19:42 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun May 8 15:20:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: > But having lived through two elections in 12 months, I would have to say > that I much prefer the British ones. They are way less annoying and > intrusive. I like the British snap elections with a three-week campaign. Here in Germany an election campaign may well last for six months. The trouble is: with the British "first past the post" system one party may have the majority of the votes and the other has the majority of seats. Turan From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 16:40:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mothers salute References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | Mine taught me to speak up: | "I can't hear you dear; you'll have to whine louder." *That* explains a lot more than you realize. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 16:42:18 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 15:55:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: PING IT types Duke University - MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY References: Message-ID: "Charles" | > *Position: MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY* | > Requisition Number: CAM38382-033105 | | But you'd have to move to Duke (wherever that may be!)! | | Think Tri-angle Park, East end of NC and vicinity. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 16:49:53 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 15:55:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! (pass word) References: Message-ID: "Charles" | Don't need a user/pass if you don't have cookies enabled (and you use the | broken link from the first post). So, maybe something like: | -> http://tinyurl.com/86dps | | Oh my. And oh my and oh my. Today is the big day... I have a friend who | just found out that she was raised her whole life in a foster family (and | never knew it). Today she finds out who her parents were (her father | passed away about a year ago - which is what set this whole deal in | motion). | | That said, it looks like your kids did just fine while growing up with you | :) Recall offtimes kids do well DESPITE what they have for parents. Still this is my DIL, the real credit goes to the young lady's Grandmother. Hope all goes well for your friend. The experience can be wonderful or a nightmare. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:06:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:10:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mothers salute References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d5lqhh$mnl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "HeyBub" > > | Mine taught me to speak up: > | "I can't hear you dear; you'll have to whine louder." > > *That* explains a lot more than you realize. ROFL From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:07:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:10:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:d5jr3h$o68$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > http://www.wnbc.com/news/4458231/detail.html > > I gotta ask: all the pictures being shown on the news feature > this wild-eyed look, making her appear to be more than slightly > crazed. Is she really like that, or is it more like the Nat'l > Enquirer type of tactic of only choosing to publish unflattering > photos? I have no clue. I guess this is the photo the family chose to release to the cops (and press) when they were trying to find her. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:08:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:10:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d5lgkj$hhb$1@news.spamcop.net... > As it turns out, she jilted another finace eight years ago and has done hard > time for shoplifting. Is it possible to do 'hard time' for shoplifting?! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:09:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:10:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d5jgl7$j7u$1@news.spamcop.net... > Everybody gets used to the dynasty. > > It's then only a small step to a monarchy. That is an unbelievably scary thought. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:10:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:15:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:d5jt7n$p9o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-91D46E.19403507052005@frylock.local... > > > > Animals kill and maim with no regard to whether it is right or wrong. > > Watch Animal Planet sometime. > > Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, > revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. Tell that to my cat sometime LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:13:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:15:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d5kqg4$726$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yes! Our cat was totally useless to keep the indoor mouse > population down because he would play with them and lose them > behind bookcases or under furniture. My current cat is of the useless variety (he only gets to play with the occasional bug though). The cat I had in England however was an expert killer... after he'd had his fun first. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 20:13:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 8 19:15:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5m69i$sfk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Tell that to my cat sometime LOL > Maybe I was just "lucky", my cats never killed anything they didn't attempt to eat, and that includes a big gray squirrel (he ate the front half, left the rear end with the bushy tail on the doormat as a prezzy). I've had enough critters yakked up on my bed to know.... ;) From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 20:16:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 8 19:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5m6ea$skj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > My current cat is of the useless variety (he only gets to play with the > occasional bug though). The cat I had in England however was an expert > killer... after he'd had his fun first. > My last cat was handraised by me from two weeks old or so, for those who argue that it isn't instictive but they learn hunting from their mothers, *I* never taught him that. If I did I would have taught him only to kill those crappy sparrows and not bluebirds, and not to throw up in the house! From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:17:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:20:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4A8DA9.13560308052005@frylock.local... > > Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, > > revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. > > That doesn't appear to be the case for domesticated cats. They kill > birds for pleasure. > > but to be fair, that's probably their instinct to kill overriding their need for the food... while we may categorise it as 'fun' it's just the cat doing what it's programmed to do From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 17:20:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 19:20:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Well, they have chosen the new prime minister References: Message-ID: "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote in message news:d5lood$lpe$1@news.spamcop.net... > > But having lived through two elections in 12 months, I would have to say > > that I much prefer the British ones. They are way less annoying and > > intrusive. > > I like the British snap elections with a three-week campaign. Here in > Germany an election campaign may well last for six months. > > The trouble is: with the British "first past the post" system one party may > have the majority of the votes and the other has the majority of seats. Nothing new there then! I thought it was interesting to see the map of the country which shows it being more blue than red yet in fact Labour won. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/default.stm From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 20:22:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sun May 8 19:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4A8DA9.13560308052005@frylock.local... >> That doesn't appear to be the case for domesticated cats. They kill > birds for pleasure. > > It's not for pleasure, it's out of instinct - cats are predators with an intense prey drive, when the drive is stimulated by something like a bird or a rat, they hunt and kill it. Whether they eat it or not depends on a lot of things, if it's got a dish of cat food in front it, it's not likely to turn to the bird instead. No food available, he probably would eat it. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 8 19:33:38 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 8 19:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4A8DA9.13560308052005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Heidi" wrote: > > > Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for sport, > > revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. > > That doesn't appear to be the case for domesticated cats. They kill > birds for pleasure. The instinct is to hunt, I believe. [long story] we had a hamster visit us. The younger cat somehow got it out of its cage and 'played' with it during the night. She also used to catch birds also and leave them on the porch intact. In the morning I discovered the hampster. I am not a morning person so I stepped over it and decided that I needed a cup of coffee before I took care of it. The old cat heard me moving about and also woke up. When I came back into the room, he was busily eating the hamster while the younger cat looked on. After that, the only evidence that the younger cat had caught a bird was a few feathers. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 8 19:37:17 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 8 19:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Berny" wrote in message news:d5krcf$7hu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > So, why didn't you get another cat? Lucky for us, ours were always good for > Varmint control. > Well, you see his name was "Tigger"....that should explain why we didn't replace him. He was an excellent hunter in the wild and possibly would have been in the house if I could have controlled three kids and two dogs from hunting down the mouse he lost by tossing it too hard. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 20:46:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 19:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9650C5245A408TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... | No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! | | > while we may categorise it as 'fun' it's just the cat doing | > what it's programmed to do | | I knew it! Yet another creationist (sorry, believer in the architecture of | life or whatever BS name they've given it this week) in our midst! Come | clean! Confess and we'll go easy on you! Give us the names of the others | in your coven! George, Dick, Carl, Connie. ... From devnull at spamcop.net Sun May 8 20:52:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 8 19:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! (pass word) References: Message-ID: "Charles" < | > Hope all goes well for your friend. The experience can be wonderful | > or a nightmare. | _They_ know now and we'll know soonish, probably. It, uh, doesn't sound | like there's going to be closure just yet (since the one thing that I know | so far is that the foster mother is vehemently denying everything - not a | good sign). | Personal insight here. Foster parents (mothers especially) can be more protective of their kids than one might expect even of a natural mother. I hope someone is available to counsel both the daughter and the foster mother. From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun May 8 18:21:16 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun May 8 20:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush [King George] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:d5jgl7$j7u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Everybody gets used to the dynasty. > >>It's then only a small step to a monarchy. > > > That is an unbelievably scary thought. But not a new one, especially with the "Madness of..." tacked on in front... e.g., ------------- http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/kinggeorge.html http://elandslide.org/elandslide/images/KingGeorge.jpg http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:yenjCUC81W0J:www.finktank3000.com/kinggeorge.jpg http://www.dunckleystreet.com/images/King-George3.jpg http://www.madgeorge.us/ ------------- Asking as a non-US-born person - has there been a *previous* president that has engendered such a bivariate (sic) range of opinion??? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun May 8 19:20:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sun May 8 21:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d5gvso$avg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Koko the gorilla who speaks in ASL American Sign Language and goes on > the internet and tells about how she wants a baby and dreams of freedom > can also answer questions about where gorillas go when they die and such > as that. > > Here's a little about Koko and Michael > http://www.abslogic.com/CaseForPersonhood.htm THE CASE FOR THE > PERSONHOOD OF GORILLAS > > There's a lot written about animal cognition. Most of the time it is > pretty hard to figure out, but a lot of animals do some very smart > things which requires quite a lot of 'synthesis' - not reflex. OK, even if you accept that Koko is self aware, she is undoubtedly exceptional even among gorillas. So you can't say that animals think about big questions like 'what is god' just because one, very close to humans on the evolutionary ladder, shows higher thinking. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun May 8 22:33:10 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun May 8 21:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush [King George] References: Message-ID: In article , Skiwi wrote: > Asking as a non-US-born person - has there been a *previous* president > that has engendered such a bivariate (sic) range of opinion??? I would say at least four: 1) Lincoln, though a lot of the animosity directed at him would have been aimed at whoever was president when the Civil War finally erupted. 2) FDR. Conservatives said his New Deal was socialism, the upper class felt he was a traitor to his kind, and the isolationists called him a warmonger. Yet he revived a nearly dead national Democratic party, the lower classes who suffered the most during the depression loved him, and he had strong support among blacks. (He's why a lot of blacks have been named "Franklin" or "Roosevelt.") 3) Nixon. He ran dirty campaigns for Congress and the Senate, liberals and the left hated him for his eager participation in the commie witchhunts of the '50s, and he was a main target of the anti-war movement. The then-dominant eastern wing of the GOP despised him as well. Yet he managed to connect well enough with middle-class voters to win two elections (though part of that was due to weak opponents). 4) Reagan. An amiable dunce. A stooge who read his lines just like he was told. A president who approved of his administration running roughshod over the laws and the Constitution. Someone who was losing his faculties and going senile while he was still in office. A fool who swallowed the Laffer curve lock stock and barrel, who believed that deficits didn't matter and as a result ran up the largest national debt in history (up until now). An idiot who brought this country closer to nuclear war than it had been since the '50s. And much much more. Yet the radical right was ready to canonize him while he was still in office -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 8 22:17:09 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 8 22:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5mdt2$fe$1@news.spamcop.net... > OK, even if you accept that Koko is self aware, she is undoubtedly > exceptional even among gorillas. So you can't say that animals think about > big questions like 'what is god' just because one, very close to humans on > the evolutionary ladder, shows higher thinking. If original sin for humans is correct, then animals don't have to think, they know about God. It is only humans who want to be in charge of the universe and so have problems with knowing what is really going on. Miss Betsy From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 22:13:37 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 22:15:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:d5lgkj$hhb$1@news.spamcop.net... >> As it turns out, she jilted another finace eight years ago and has >> done hard time for shoplifting. > > Is it possible to do 'hard time' for shoplifting?! $1200 worth. Felony. 90 days in the Greybar Hotel. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 8 20:20:58 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 8 22:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> There's a lot written about animal cognition. Most of the time it is >> pretty hard to figure out, but a lot of animals do some very smart >> things which requires quite a lot of 'synthesis' - not reflex. > > OK, even if you accept that Koko is self aware, she is undoubtedly > exceptional even among gorillas. So you can't say that animals think > about big questions like 'what is god' just because one, very close > to humans on the evolutionary ladder, shows higher thinking. My point is actually trying to go the other way. That is, 'high thinking' creatures, let's say man for example -- are quite innovative, imaginative, creative, artistic, philosophical -- those creatures are full of questions and seeking answers to their questions. Ergo..... god and such. Myths and the like. Creation. Messiah/s. Eternity. Everafter. Heaven. Hell. Man created god. and God. and gods. and goddesses. And all that jazz. Koko can create god too, probably. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 22:21:36 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 22:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush [King George] References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > 4) Reagan. An amiable dunce. A stooge who read his lines just like he > was told. Actually, most of the speeches delivered by Reagan were written entirely by him. > A president who approved of his administration running > roughshod over the laws and the Constitution. Never heard that claim. Do you have an example? > Someone who was losing > his faculties and going senile while he was still in office. Never heard that claim either, except ancedotal rumors. Do you have a reputable diagnosis somewhere? > A fool > who swallowed the Laffer curve lock stock and barrel, who believed > that deficits didn't matter and as a result ran up the largest > national debt in history (up until now). The facts are that revenues increased dramatically under Reagan's benign tax cuts - it was the Democratic Congress that raised spending even more than the increase in revenues. > An idiot who brought this > country closer to nuclear war than it had been since the '50s. Well, no. Everybody agrees that JFK's Cuban missle crisis was a much greater threat than anything Reagan did. > And > much much more. Yet the radical right was ready to canonize him while > he was still in office But nay-sayers, four-flushers, and pettifogs kept getting in the way. After brushing aside the communists and their fellow-travellers, we now have a airport name. So there. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun May 8 22:32:11 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun May 8 22:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush [King George] References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-DA219C.21331008052005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , Skiwi > wrote: > > > Asking as a non-US-born person - has there been a *previous* president > > that has engendered such a bivariate (sic) range of opinion??? > > I would say at least four: > > 1) Lincoln, though a lot of the animosity directed at him would have > been aimed at whoever was president when the Civil War finally erupted. > > 2) FDR. Conservatives said his New Deal was socialism, the upper class > felt he was a traitor to his kind, and the isolationists called him a > warmonger. Yet he revived a nearly dead national Democratic party, the > lower classes who suffered the most during the depression loved him, and > he had strong support among blacks. (He's why a lot of blacks have been > named "Franklin" or "Roosevelt.") > > 3) Nixon. He ran dirty campaigns for Congress and the Senate, liberals > and the left hated him for his eager participation in the commie > witchhunts of the '50s, and he was a main target of the anti-war > movement. The then-dominant eastern wing of the GOP despised him as > well. Yet he managed to connect well enough with middle-class voters to > win two elections (though part of that was due to weak opponents). > > 4) Reagan. An amiable dunce. A stooge who read his lines just like he > was told. A president who approved of his administration running > roughshod over the laws and the Constitution. Someone who was losing his > faculties and going senile while he was still in office. A fool who > swallowed the Laffer curve lock stock and barrel, who believed that > deficits didn't matter and as a result ran up the largest national debt > in history (up until now). An idiot who brought this country closer to > nuclear war than it had been since the '50s. And much much more. Yet the > radical right was ready to canonize him while he was still in office If you are going to include Nixon, you might as well include Clinton. I am not a student of history, but Woodrow Wilson couldn't get the US to endorse the League of Nations so probably was pretty controversial. IIRC, Skiwi is British. The president is not like the Queen, but more like the Prime Minister. The other party is always critical. Eisenhower had just as many critics as Reagan. And many people thought Truman & Johnson were political hacks. Even Washington had his critics. But FDR and Lincoln, IMHO, were really controversial. Bush, in perspective, probably ranks with Kennedy & Johnson & Theodore Roosevelt. Miss Betsy From heybub at gmail.com Sun May 8 22:29:40 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun May 8 22:30:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Female president... References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > HeyBub wrote: > > [snip] > >> Not to worry: I don't think a female will be elected president >> during their lifetimes. > > > > > Imagine Hillary in the Whitehouse > It's easy if you try I do. I then imagine Lani Guinier as a Supreme Court justice. Webster Hubble as Attorney General, Joyclen Elders as head of Health & Human Services, Jimmy Carter as Secretary of State. I have to go have a lie down. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 8 20:40:31 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 8 22:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Ergo..... god and such. Myths and the like. Creation. Messiah/s. > Eternity. Everafter. Heaven. Hell. Oops. I left out intelligent design. I'm gonna hafta' go after those dudes. The ID Menace. 21st century inquisitional science suppression fandango of hypocritical misrepresentations. It reminds me of the church's use of 'science' to suppress and punish Galilean astronomy in the 17th century. And yet/ but then/ eventually the church came W A A A A Y Y Y around to really get into a 'new' modern astrology so they could get themselves all situated about how to handle the calendar and the Easter situation. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 8 20:49:03 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 8 22:50:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > to really get into a 'new' modern astrology s/astrology/astronomy/ The church needed modernized and scientific astronomy and astronomically derived calculations for a 'proper' calendar, even an eclesiastical one. Like what're ya' gonna do about the moon vs the sun. Very very tricky, that Easter business. We don't even want to go down that astrology road. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Mon May 9 07:41:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 9 07:05:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush [King George] References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | Bush, in perspective, probably ranks with Kennedy & Johnson & | Theodore Roosevelt. | More like Bozo the Clown From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 10:47:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 09:50:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Quite so. After all, the animals don't go about destroying their > environment; they're not that foolish. Not true. Areas overpopulated with deer suffer from complete deforestation -- the deer eat anything and everything available to them, thus destroying their own habitat. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 10:50:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 09:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-91D46E.19403507052005@frylock.local... > > > > Animals kill and maim with no regard to whether it is right or > > wrong. Watch Animal Planet sometime. > > Animals kill and maim primarily to survive, they don't do it for > sport, revenge, or because they're just mad serial killers. What about those packs of human-owned dogs that go around killing baby sheep and other small animals just for the sheer fun of it? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 10:58:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 10:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Minister ex-communicates members for not backing Bush References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | > | do the Baptists indeed have a means of "telling him off"? > > Actually the protocols were not followed and the 'expelled' member > have considerable recourse including legal action and firing the > preacher. And the IRS took notice of this event too -- that preacher is risking his church's non-profit status by pushing political views on its members. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 11:11:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 10:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: i admit, i'm obsessed with this site References: Message-ID: Bob W. wrote: > In article , > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > > > http://maps.google.com/ > > Don't hate me, but... I, uh, used to live straight down the street > from it, so it took me about 5 seconds. > > Enter "2400 N. Beachwood Dr., Los Angeles", then click the North/Up > arrow twice... then drag the zoom handle all the way up. Et voila! > I'm quite pissed at google maps -- two weeks ago I was going up to Baltimore with a bunch of friends to see a favorite band play in a nightclub I hadn't been to before. I used google instead of Mapquest to get directions. Google had the location totally wrong, I ended up parking 8 blocks away from the real location, which had a parking garage right next to it! Bastages..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 11:18:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 10:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My kids made the local news (such as it is) !! References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.morganton.com/scripts/isapi_srun.dll/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MNH%2FMGArticle%2FMNH_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782592432&path=%21news > &DPL=JvsIDSP7Dg0m5hcQJfsKFhc%3d&tacodalogin=yes Cool! But I have to question this line: "Shambley took infertility drugs for six months, hoping something, anything, would help her get pregnant." Aren't "infertility drugs" aka "the pill" ? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 11:21:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 10:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Indi insult thread References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > You're thinking of ol' Redstone --he's the one with the breast > > fetish. I'm a leg man. > > Well, come to think of it, the salma thing might have been Bob. But, > still, man, I'm going to stick to my guns and what I said (even if it > was Bob and not you) and you can't do anything about. Oh, if'n you're strictly referring to Salma, then yeah, I have given her high praise on these here boards. But not because of her chest. I rarely take my eyes off of her gorgeous face and hair when I watch her in movies. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 11:23:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 10:25:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: PING IT types Duke University - MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Charles" > > | > *Position: MANAGER, INFO TECHNOLOGY* > | > Requisition Number: CAM38382-033105 > | > | But you'd have to move to Duke (wherever that may be!)! > | > | > > Think Tri-angle Park, East end of NC and vicinity. That's in or near Raliegh, NC. NC State U. area. Duke, Wake Forest, and NC are in the other side of the state near Charlotte. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 12:01:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 9 11:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: LOL References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d5m65d$scr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:d5lgkj$hhb$1@news.spamcop.net... > > As it turns out, she jilted another finace eight years ago and has done > hard > > time for shoplifting. > > Is it possible to do 'hard time' for shoplifting?! She did a weekend or two in jail and a bunch of community service, the last time she was caught at Walmart she had to complete a special rehab course for shoplifters - wonder if her fiance knew about all that? Did you hear the supposed 'real' reason that she took off? She was upset that her fiance had 'recommitted' himself to Jesus and had decided to abstain from sex before marriage.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 12:44:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 9 11:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5nplu$l1m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Not true. Areas overpopulated with deer suffer from complete > deforestation -- the deer eat anything and everything available to them, > thus destroying their own habitat. Are you joking? Areas overpopulated with deer are deforested because there's nothing else to eat! The deer have been displaced and croweded into a small space, what are they supposed to do, starve themsleves or try to survive by eating everything edible? It's hardly their fault or their intention to "destroy their own habitat", MAN is responsible for that, not the deer. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 12:50:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 9 11:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-410C81.10595909052005@frylock.local... > Whether or not they get pleasure from the hunt, and it would appear > that they do, they kill without need for survival. If you attribute this > to instinct, morality cannot be part of the discussion. If instinct is > more powerful than choice, then there is no choice. Animals can only be > moral/immoral if they choose their behavior. So either they choose (and > are thus immoral for killing without need), or they have no morality. > (and cannot be said to be more moral than man.) Do you understand "prey drive"? They are hardwired to chase and kill things that are considered prey, they will eat them if they need to or want to, but the chase and kill is instinctive. I see it in my own dogs, who are very well fed by the way, but highly prey driven and if turned loose on a rabbit would kill it in a second, because that's what they do. Your argument is that they kill for "pleasure", they do not kill for pleasure, they are driven to chase and kill by thousands of years of doing so for survival. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 12:53:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon May 9 11:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d5nprb$l58$1@news.spamcop.net... > > What about those packs of human-owned dogs that go around killing baby sheep > and other small animals just for the sheer fun of it? For god's sake, it's not 'for the fun of it'! It's called PREY DRIVE.........all dogs have it, some more than others, and especially when they are in a pack - good argument for leash laws, loose dogs will form packs and do what packs do - HUNT, anything that moves. As domesticated as dogs are, they are not really that far removed from the wolves they came from and when left to their own devices, they'll act like wolves. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 13:41:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 12:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5nplu$l1m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Not true. Areas overpopulated with deer suffer from complete > > deforestation -- the deer eat anything and everything available to > > them, thus destroying their own habitat. > > Are you joking? Areas overpopulated with deer are deforested because > there's nothing else to eat! The deer have been displaced and > croweded into a small space, what are they supposed to do, starve > themsleves or try to survive by eating everything edible? It's hardly > their fault or their intention to "destroy their own habitat", MAN > is responsible for that, not the deer. I disagree. Lots of other animals seem to have instinctual behaviors that limits the number of offspring they produce when overcrowding or lack of food is an issue. Stupid deer just keep multiplying like rabbits. And there are several very large animal refuge forests near me, and they are *all* overpopulated 200-300% by deer. They DO overbreed and destroy their own habitat whether you like it or not. Hunters kill around 20,000 deer a year in MD, another couple thousand are killed by collisions with cars and trucks, and it doesn't even make a dent in their population. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 9 13:46:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 9 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: I can't believe they're actually doing this! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d5nprb$l58$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > What about those packs of human-owned dogs that go around killing > > baby sheep and other small animals just for the sheer fun of it? > > For god's sake, it's not 'for the fun of it'! It's called PREY > DRIVE.........all dogs have it, some more than others, and especially > when they are in a pack - good argument for leash laws, loose dogs > will form packs and do what packs do - HUNT, anything that moves. As > domesticated as dogs are, they are not really that far removed from > the wolves they came from and when left to their own devices, they'll > act like wolves. But you'll never see a wolf pack hunt down and kill something without eating it. Domesticated dog pack rarely do anything but simply kill the animal they're chasing. You don't see the diffe