From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 00:33:13 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Nov 30 19:35:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns95B166FB21820johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Porpoise" wrote in news:coi8vf$4vp$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> I guess it must have been pulled.........?? > > Still there from here. > (And the ad would have to be "sucked off" the site, not pulled, that's a > different product) Perhaps I'm missing something then, because I can't "see" what you're talking about. However, there is a frame in the middle of the window which has a non-existant page. Ahhh....... just tried a different link and I've found the "offending" item he, he....... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 00:44:32 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Nov 30 19:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:coj1t8$mav$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > You need a casket even if you are going to be cremated for the >> > viewing. >> > >> >> Cremated for what viewing? ;-) > > Yeah, I saw that later! It's a good thing Kilpatrick doesn't read > ngs. > > Miss Betsy > > He, he........ I thought they might want to do the viewing *before* the cremation....!?! ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 00:45:25 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Nov 30 19:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:coj0nb$li8$2@news.spamcop.net... > "indigo" > > | > | > - depending on the model, maybe have 911 programmed as a two > | > | > button call > | > | > > | > | > | > | Wow! What a timesaver that must be! > | > | > | > | What *is* the correct number to dial for 911 anyway? ;-) > | > > | > 9 - 1 - 1 SEND > | > | > | Hmmm....I don't have a 'dash' button on my cell phone....darnit....... > > But but but you don't have a '911' button either. > > 911 wouldn't do me much good either........ 112 might though....... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 01:06:17 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Nov 30 20:10:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:coj4h6$o9j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Rob" wrote in message > news:cog3mo$mml$1@news.spamcop.net... >> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,1362275,00.html? >> >> "From 2008, all passport applicants will be issued with cards, and a >> decision will be made in 2011 or 2012 as to whether holding identity >> cards >> will be compulsory." > >> "The price of a passport is expected to rise from £42 to £85 when >> identity >> cards are introduced." >> >> [Thank God mine is up for renewal in 2006. Rob] > > Yeah, mine too actually. I doubt though that overseas applicants will have > to get the ID card. I don't see why they need an ID card as well as the > new > picture driving licenses. They should just extend those to everyone as > they > do here in the US (if you're not a driver, it's just an ID card). > > I still can't see why we need *both* a passport *and* an ID card????? Why not just make the document that does it all?? LOL From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 07:52:48 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 02:55:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Beer it's not just for breakfast anymore References: Message-ID: "What Now" wrote in message news:coj9st$rfq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:coj67u$pd9$3@news.spamcop.net... >> http://wimp.com/drunkmom/ > > ActiveX components. > > :) > > It was OK but you didn't miss much, really...... :) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 07:56:10 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 03:00:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" wrote in message news:coj7v3$qdc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:coj6sd$pim$3@news.spamcop.net... >> Joe Blow wrote: >>> >>> You probably think it is right that airline screeners feel up passengers >>> and invade their privacy just because some terrorists used box cutters >>> is a good thing. Me, I'd rather they allowed people to carry weapons on >>> board....and if anyone tried anything funny, they'd be dealt with. >>> Neither way is any safer than the other... >> >> I believe the pilots would heartily disagree. >> > > Well...we'd have to ask some wouldn't we. But its a funny thing that a > lot of them want to carry arms. > I think it's slightly different the captain of the ship carrying a weapon and all/most/some of the passengers - that's just asking for trouble......... couple a hundred passengers having a shoot-out at the OK coral at 30,000 ft.?? God help us! (If there is one). From skiwi at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 00:05:55 2004 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Wed Dec 1 03:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] In a pint glass or a grande mug? Coffee beer! Message-ID: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/19/nbeer19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/11/19/ixportal.html "Two of the more traditional hangover cures have been combined into a single drink ? a beer made with coffee. The brew, which contains the same amount of caffeine as a cappuccino, has been launched as a lunchtime pick-me-up as well as a more sophisticated evening accompaniment to chocolate and desserts. Its makers, the micro-brewery Meantime, based in Greenwich, London, warn that it is not a beer to get drunk on, not least because its high caffeine content could leave drinkers feeling hyperactive. Peter Haydon, of Meantime, described the drink, which goes on sale in Sainsbury's from today, as a "dark mellow beer" with hints of vanilla and malt. It has around four per cent alcohol and is ideally served chilled." I assume you still get brewer's droop, buy now get annoyed about it rather than just dozing off... Caffeniated dope next? BC Bud with a triple shot? From whatnow at whome.csi Wed Dec 1 02:34:43 2004 From: whatnow at whome.csi (What Now) Date: Wed Dec 1 05:35:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cojg1u$vbb$1@news.spamcop.net... > What Now wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > >>In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the > >>vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio > >>still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 > >>overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots > >>are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days prior > >>to the election haven't been counted. > >> > >>http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm > > > > > > Geez. You're just not satisfied with four years of crying and snivelling. > > You're going to make it eight years, aren't you? Of course... if you spend > > all your time crying about the last election instead of making changes for > > the next one, that will be twelve years. Tell your therapist you have to get > > off the phone... go hang around the move-on website and make some difference > > instead of embarrassing everyone in your party. > > Why do you hate America? I don't. :) From whatnow at whome.csi Wed Dec 1 02:36:52 2004 From: whatnow at whome.csi (What Now) Date: Wed Dec 1 05:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "Cat" wrote in message news:cojj9l$1o5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yes, but that should be your decision to stop replying to trolls. Don't > just do it because someone else ordered you to do it. That *poke* crap > every time someone replies to a troll is almost as obnoxious as the > actual troll posts. Did you get permission to reply to that? :) From whatnow at whome.csi Wed Dec 1 02:41:07 2004 From: whatnow at whome.csi (What Now) Date: Wed Dec 1 05:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cojjgt$1pu$1@news.spamcop.net... > "The study... is the first to show that cooperation in the context of > the public good can be sustained when freeloaders are punished through > social exclusion..." > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041129111632.htm Even you couldn't be so stoned that you think any of that relates to a spamcop newsgroup. :) From whatnow at whome.csi Wed Dec 1 02:49:38 2004 From: whatnow at whome.csi (What Now) Date: Wed Dec 1 05:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah = Operation Distract From Fixed Election. References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cojlhc$2tg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Good analysis that answers Dom's question of a few weeks ago, why did > Nader demand a recount in New Hampshire? > > http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm Okay, I really have to ask - not just out of curiosity... why did you and a few other activists choose the spamcop newsgroups as your political platform and anti-whatever broadcasting network? Were you so extremely leftist that even the liberal sites wont accept your rhetoric? I mean how is it that you came to rest in the spamcop .social group instead of some web forum which hosts alien conspiracy theory and anti-government propaganda (where you could find all the other people with pierced facial and genital extremities)? :) From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 12:01:19 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:05:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: >> Yeah, mine too actually. I doubt though that overseas applicants >> will have to get the ID card. I don't see why they need an ID card >> as well as the new picture driving licenses. They should just >> extend those to everyone as they do here in the US (if you're not a >> driver, it's just an ID card). You mean you have a general ID card that just happens to be called a driving licence? And someone was wrong in telling me you have to be at least 16 to get one? > I still can't see why we need *both* a passport *and* an ID card????? Why > not just make the document that does it all?? LOL Because a card small enough to fit in an average wallet wouldn't have much room for visas. Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 06:53:54 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:20:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "What Now" wrote in message news:cojeki$udt$1@news.spamcop.net... | > In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the | > vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio | > still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 | > overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots | > are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days prior | > to the election haven't been counted. | > | > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm | | Geez. You're just not satisfied with four years of crying and snivelling. | You're going to make it eight years, aren't you? Of course... if you spend | all your time crying about the last election instead of making changes for | the next one, that will be twelve years. Tell your therapist you have to get | off the phone... go hang around the move-on website and make some difference | instead of embarrassing everyone in your party. Vote count may not make a difference in the national election but they do in the local elections. One in the Charlotte NC made major changes in the local power base. You may recall the dust up the registrar of votes 'lost' several thousand votes that resulted in a recount. Recount change the results. I'm curious just what about what is stated in the OP marks the poster as being of one political party vs. another or for that matter espousing any political position. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 06:55:26 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:20:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "What Now" | > | > Why do you hate America? | | I don't. Could'd fool me. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 07:07:42 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:20:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | > I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this year, for | > the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years ago, NOT allowing | > the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. | > | > On the other hand, not only does Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow Salvation | > Army access, Wal-Mart assigns its own employees to ring the bells and | > collect the donations. | > | > Fie on Target. | | As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. Wal-Mart | strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per year. | | Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, Borders, | Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohlıs, and Loweıs Home Improvement, among | others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. Also, one national chain | of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere on any of its properties. It's a shame that this has come about. When I was a kid my grand father *ALWAYS* had a stash of change so my brother and I could make a small donation at each and every 'pot'. Always had a good experience in dealing with the street Santa and would bring them coffee and donuts on Christmas eve. (I suspect they were 'friends' that my grandfather had helped through the year as they seemed to know more about my brother and I than one would normally expect.) We've been doing this with my grand daughter for the past few years @ a cost to us of ~ $25 per year. This year (in September) she started saving (in a plastic coffee can) wayward change for the Santa Pots. Guess I'll have to call the Salvation Army for the locations of their Santas. From whatnow at whome.csi Wed Dec 1 04:23:27 2004 From: whatnow at whome.csi (What Now) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:cokcnn$g2o$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "What Now" > > | > > | > Why do you hate America? > | > | I don't. > > Could'd fool me. Come back when you are the spoking gooder englishes. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 07:33:41 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" wrote in message news:coj8pr$qqf$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:coj2fv$mo1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I know better about what kinds of procedures were done than the > > health insurance companies, but that doesn't mean I understand how > > they arrived at a payment of $43.21 for what the doctor charged $90 > > for. > > > > I can't really speak to that...but I'd suggest reading the contract with > your insurance company and dispute it if they are in the wrong. If they're > in the right...well, you get what you pay for. Some insurance is primarily > for catastrophic illness...not routine procedures. Maybe you need different > insurance. Have you ever tried to deal with an insurance company? It's my contention that they hire rude, impatient people to be the first answerer, knowing that sick people are calling and won't keep pushing to get an answer. Actually, the example I was thinking of was a denial of the same procedure because it had already been paid, but actually had been done multiple times. I notified both the provider what I thought he should do (find the proper code for mulitiple times) and the insurance company that they had denied the claim improperly. I do know from providers that the insurance company will refuse payment if the proper code is not used, but that the insurance company will not tell the provider what code to use. I don't think most people get to choose what health insurance one gets - the employer chooses. > > It makes sense because most of the people receiving benefits do > > benefit. A very few never benefit and a very few benefit even > > though they use the benefit for luxuries. > > > > I cited an example of someone collecting disability that isn't disabled. No > doubt there are several thousand more. In fact, I've read several > government reports citing rapant abuse in this area. When someone is handed > money they didn't earn...they're going to benefit. Duh. That doesn't make > it right. And it certainly doesn't make sense. There is always a certain amount of fraud in whatever plan is implemented. No matter what you do, the crooks will find a way around it. However, you are vindicated by the study Tim posted in the thread 'trolls, pokes, .social' that 'shunning' works better than 'giving indiscriminately' which is what mandatory SS does since it does not discriminate between hard workers and irresponsible bums. The problem, though, in real life, is that life isn't fair. There are plenty of irresponsible bums who have inherited money and hard workers who are disabled and then their families suffer as well. I doubt if there have been any studies, but ISTM that there are no ethical persons who 'earn' millions. An ethical person would not apply for SS disability benefits to fund their yacht, but then that's probably how they got their millions by exploiting various people and legal practices. IMHO, in the mathematical model, the part that couldn't be measured, and is difficult to do in real life also, is to shun those who choose 'defection' but not those who 'defect' from reasons beyond their control or from one aberrant bad decision. For example, those who did not help drain the swamp because they were sick or had had an accident which prevented them from helping would not be shunned when it came time. Or a hard worker who had married a bum would not be shunned even though s/he couldn't help drain the swamp because s/he was holding two jobs to overcome the bad decision s/he made. It also doesn't take into account the weak - for instance, the children and the elderly, who are more likely not to be able to help through no choice of their own. A lot of people think that not 'shunning' is what is wrong with society today. That if destructive behavior such as sexual freedom that leads to teen pregnancies were 'shunned' rather than tolerated by letting teen mothers keep their babies and offering them ways to avoid the babies, that it would not be necessary to have welfare. Miss Betsy From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 07:20:13 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:50:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" < | > | > Perhaps you could explain why, even with oversight, so many are? | > | | Because the problems are obviously a lot less prevalent than you perceive. | Given that fact, yes, companies should be allowed to make profits....that is | why most companies are created. Could you please leave enough of the previous post so that the slower among us (me) can keep some semblance of which sub tread we're talking about? After a bit of research I think I'm on topic. No one is preventing profit. Taking another view: having all companies on the same page, as far as safty expenses go, will allow those that are responsible to make a profit. If company A pays the expense of fire safety, etc. where company B does not, company B has an economic advantage. How would you like to do high work for a company that buys used safety lines (rope) to save money. (Hint every company I worked for that did high work supplied each new hire with out of the box new safety equipment. The equipment was assigend to the worker for the entire period of employment (replaced as needed) and the employee kept the equipment when they left.) (As one safety instructor crudely put it: Think used condoms) From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 07:27:11 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:50:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" | I cited an example of someone collecting disability that isn't disabled. No | doubt there are several thousand more. In fact, I've read several | government reports citing rampant abuse in this area. When someone is handed | money they didn't earn...they're going to benefit. Duh. That doesn't make | it right. And it certainly doesn't make sense. I'd be interested in seeing those data as the GAO reports I've seen on SSA show that there is less than 3% fraud with the conclusion is that the cost of stopping that 3% is higher than the cost of paying the fraudulent benefits. OTOH in my experience the fraud AGAINST legitimate claims is higher, much much higher. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 07:41:37 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:50:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "What Now" | > "The study... is the first to show that cooperation in the context of | > the public good can be sustained when freeloaders are punished through | > social exclusion..." | > | > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041129111632.htm | | Even you couldn't be so stoned that you think any of that relates to a | spamcop newsgroup. You ain't been around long enough to make that determination. When I was initially disabled my life was the inside of my home without much effective communication even with my family due to cognitive damage as a side effect of open heart surgery. My limitations were somewhat negated by being able to take my time in responding to post. Regardless the one place that I found the support I needed was here. I also found the mental stimulation that was a great help to me in restoring my though process. (The best example I can give is the rehab a stroke victim might receive but was denied as 'medically unnecessary by my insurance carrier) OTOH the primary rule of .socal: any topic EXCEPT the s-word. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 07:45:54 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 07:50:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: "sk1w1" | > | > | > | > - depending on the model, maybe have 911 programmed as a two | > | > | > button call | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | Wow! What a timesaver that must be! | > | > | | > | > | What *is* the correct number to dial for 911 anyway? ;-) | > | > | > | > 9 - 1 - 1 SEND | > | | > | | > | Hmmm....I don't have a 'dash' button on my cell phone....darnit....... | > | > But but but you don't have a '911' button either. | | | http://www.home-security-system.cc/dbpix/mobile911-l.jpg That may seem to be a joke but the company I worked for had developed a model for battered women. But cost and a little out of the box thinking produced a modified version that with the exception of the on/off button all keys called a present emergency number. 911 or a number selected by the local authorities. Nice part of that development existing phones could be programmed without a significant investment in production. From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 13:13:29 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Wed Dec 1 08:15:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My thought on the whole issue is that we definitely need a universal ID scheme. So far, the nearest to being universally _accepted_ are driving licences and passports. But not everyone drives or is in a position to start driving, be it for physical, chronological, financial or personal reasons. And passports are rather bulky to carry around while out on the town. I'm not sure how long ago it was in the Crawley News, that some blind students had come to Crawley and tried to get into the nightclubs. They were just asked "Have you got a driver's licence?" They claimed it's the policy to reject student ID cards as forgeries are too common. (OTOH, here in Loughborough, student ID cards are the normal form of ID in that respect.) No statement was given on what they considered valid forms of ID, but if there really are 'drivers only' clubs (is that legal?) then people should have some way of knowing this before they try to enter. In fact, there already is a universally available ID scheme. It's called CitizenCard. The only problem with it is that not enough people know about it. I've seen plenty of places that claim the only forms of ID they accept are two or three of the following: driving licence, passport, Portman Group proof of age card. No mention of CitizenCard at all. (The Portman card used to be fundamentally flawed in that you had to be 18 _before_ you can apply for it. Now it isn't clear: "Applicants for this card must be aged 18 years or over (or within one month of their 18th birthday in which case the card will not be received until the applicant is 18)." Does this mean that they'll put the card in the post just in time to arrive on your 18th birthday, or what?) CitizenCard is run by a non-statutory organisation. Fortunately, this means that they can't turn it into a compulsory ID card (and possibly take away our civil liberties). Unfortunately, it also means that they can't force all establishments to accept them. http://www.citizencard.net But good to see the government has decided we're not going to be forced to carry ID cards around everywhere.... Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 07:24:18 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 08:25:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the > vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio > still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 > overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots > are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days > prior to the election haven't been counted. > > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm I don't know, but I suspect it's the sheer volume. As you recall, federal law mandates this "provisional ballot" silliness - any warm body can blunder into a polling place, announce his name as Napolean Bonaparte, and get to vote. Say it takes a worker three minutes to decide about a provisional ballot. That's 465,000 minutes, 7750 man-hours, 190 man-weeks of labor. If they finished today, that means they'd have to have had 65 people working on this project. That's a lot of people. With no potty breaks. Back in the old days, even with paper ballots, we had the results almost immediately. In my state, you had to register to vote by Feb 1st to vote in November, pay a poll tax, and own property (to vote on bond issues). None of this blundering into the polling place and getting to vote business. I also understand that some re-count workers were "enhancing" the voters' optical ballots to reflect the voters' intent. Things like coloring-in the oval (so the ballot could be optically read) where the voter had merely placed an "X." The workers doing so are clearly guilty of ballot tampering. Ohio law is not interested in "voter intent" (as was the case in Florida in 2000 - since changed). Ohio law clearly provides for only the counting of the manifestation of voter intent. In other words, it is up to the voter to follow the instructions for expressing his choice, not some factotum channeling the voters' desires. From joe at I.hate.spam.com Wed Dec 1 08:38:19 2004 From: joe at I.hate.spam.com (Joe Blow) Date: Wed Dec 1 08:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:cokef6$h31$2@news.spamcop.net... > > I'd be interested in seeing those data as the GAO reports I've seen on SSA > show that there is less than 3% fraud with the conclusion is that the cost > of stopping that 3% is higher than the cost of paying the fraudulent > benefits. OTOH in my experience the fraud AGAINST legitimate claims is > higher, much much higher. > I'm not surprised that GAO would underreport fraud...since they wouldn't people to know how much money gov't REALLY wastes. A few reports I found... http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa377.pdf http://www.aarp.org/Articles/a2003-08-12-commissionar.html I've seen other reports with stats, and wish I could find them now. Nevertheless, 3% is a ridiculously low number. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 07:40:24 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 08:45:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "JerryMouse" wrote: > >> I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this >> year, for the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years >> ago, NOT allowing the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. >> >> On the other hand, not only does Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow >> Salvation Army access, Wal-Mart assigns its own employees to ring >> the bells and collect the donations. >> >> Fie on Target. > > As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. Wal-Mart > strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per year. Interesting. I didn't know that. I personally asked the bell-ringers in front of my local Sam's Club and Wal-Mart (next door) on November 26th. I guess, according to your calculations, they'll have to quit their acceptance of donations (I wouldn't call it soliciting) on December 11th. I'll check for the Salvation Army's presence on December 12th, report back, and we'll see how good your information is. Others may want to verify your "part of the story" by noting their local conditions. > > Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, > Borders, Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohlıs, and Loweıs Home > Improvement, among others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. > Also, one national chain of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere > on any of its properties. Also interesting. I've seen Girl Scout cookie sales at my local Home Depot and gift wrapping services on behalf of our local museum society at my neighborhood Borders. Evidently, somebody isn't getting the word. Or, also possible, choosing to ignore an anti-social and downright repugnant directive from slugs headquartered in a blue state. Too, we may be quibbling over the word "soliciting." I suggest that a Salvation Army bell-ringer (or a Girl Scout cookie-sale-table) is not "soliciting" in the sense that they're not asking for participation as much as they're simply providing an opportunity to do the right thing. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 08:59:57 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Dec 1 09:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:cojrvi$6fh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Interesting. I just tried it. It looks like it pops up the exact same > window over and over. That's not only irritating, but it is really bad > design. It's crap design, I wrote to them before about it and they seemed to lay off for while, but I guess retail sales are bad so they want to make sure you make a $99 purchase so you can get that Philosophy strawberry bath gel....... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 10:40:13 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > I've left instructions for my family that I am to be cremated, that I > am not to be embalmed, and that if needed for the viewing a casket is > to be rented, not bought. I'm not being a tightwad. I read "The > American Way of Death" by Jessica Mitford many years ago, and it left > me with a lasting impression of funeral directors and the funeral > industry, one that was not dispelled when we had to bury my mom and > dad. > I was referring more to those kind of folks who "only want the best" for their dearly departed -- you know, fancy casket, sealed burial chamber, all that nonsense to "preserve" the body of someone who doesn't give a damn (they're dead, after all). The whole idea is ludicrous to me, and a total waste of money that could be put to better use among the living. They could dump me in a landfill for all I care. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 10:43:03 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:45:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Motorcycle Accident References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Borgholio wrote: > >> indigo wrote: > >> > Borgholio wrote: > >> > > >> >>Just bought a pair of armored gloves. They're nice and warm. > >> > > >> > Made of gen-u-wine Texas armadillo skin? > > >> Heh, no. > > > > Oh, so they're like metallic articulated gloves from a medieval > > suit of armor? > > Surely not. Probably multiple layers of leather and perhaps a metal > plate or studs on the palm. Hey Charles, I think I see your sense of humor laying over there in the corner, no, the other one, yeah, there, just to the right a little bit....... From pete at heypete.com Wed Dec 1 07:43:15 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:45:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: In article , "Porpoise" wrote: > I think it's slightly different the captain of the ship carrying a > weapon and all/most/some of the passengers - that's just asking for > trouble......... couple a hundred passengers having a shoot-out at > the OK coral at 30,000 ft.?? God help us! (If there is one). That's a similar argument to one that several people and groups have expressed about the issuing of Concealed Carry Licenses[1]; specifically, that there would be escalating levels of violence due to trivial matters (a commonly-claimed reason is people shooting each other over traffic accidents). Indeed, levels of crime in states where citizens can carry effective means of self defense have dropped quite a bit. While there's several possible causes for such drops in crime, according to interviews with incarcerated criminals a major fear is that of encountering an armed citizen. Assuming an incident with a hijacker/terrorist at the front of the plane, is's likely that those people at the rear of the plane are not going to start shooting indiscriminately toward the front. Even the most boneheaded of people realizes "Hey, there's lots of other people in the way...", though there might well be a few incredibly stupid people who don't notice that. Regardless, even in states with a large amount of CCW permit's issued the numbers rarely work out to be more than one in fifty people having a permit, and usually somewhat less than that carrying at any given time. Assuming that one out of every fifty people is actually carrying (a bit high) and that a 747 holds 400 people (depending on seating configuration) that's eight armed citizens. Hardly "several hundred passengers having a shoot-out at the OK corral". Perhaps some additional "Airplane CCW" is needed, where applicants must undergo more rigorous training specific to ? I completely support the arming of pilots, but realize a weakness in the system: imagine two or more armed bad guys. One holds a hostage at gunpoint (i.e. "Open the cockpit door or we shoot the flight attendant. After five minutes, we shoot another and so on.") while the remainder pacifiy the rest of the passenger compartment. A pilot, even if armed, has little choice but to comply. Obviously, since the airlines are privately-owned the individual company has (and would/should continue to have) the right to allow or deny the carriage of weapons by their passengers. That said, the American airport security system (even with/because of/despite of the TSA) is horribly ineffective and insecure. Rather than doing half-assed measures like more metal-detecting, mandatory shoe removal, and feeling-up of passengers we (tinw) should start looking at the example of Israel's El Al airlines and their security procedures. Sure, the way they do security requires highly-trained people (as opposed to the goobers working at security now) and costs a bit more, but isn't paying a little bit more now for better security more cost efficient than waiting for the next aircraft to get hijacked and crash or, heaven forbid, used as some sort of gigantic missile? Aircraft (and the buildings they hit) are expensive. Cleanup of the wreckage is expensive. The loss of life is both expensive and incredibly tragic. The government is already collecting an increased "September 11th Airport Security Fee"[2] -- surely that could cover the costs necessary for such an improved system. [1] Although I hold CCW's in two states, I find the concept rather silly and unnecessary. "Right to keep and *bear* arms", etc., etc. [2] Maybe not the exact name, but close enough. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 10:44:37 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:45:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > No matter how much you choose to dismiss the idea, the medical > > > profession recognizes that there are physiological, genetic and > > > psychological components to obesity. > > > > I'm *not* dismissing the idea, I'm dismissing what I think you are > > trying to claim -- that the majority of obese people in this > > country are not responsible for their being overweight. That's > > being an enabler IMO. > > Define "responsible" in this context. Responsible meaning that they do *not* consume _normal_ amounts of calories from healthy foods. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 10:53:00 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:55:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" > | > | > | > | What *is* the correct number to dial for 911 anyway? ;-) > | > > | > 9 - 1 - 1 SEND > | > | > | Hmmm....I don't have a 'dash' button on my cell > | phone....darnit....... > > But but but you don't have a '911' button either. But I could, if I owned one of those silly "emergency use only" cell phones they pitch on late night infomercials........IIRC, they only have one button, and that one dials 911. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 10:56:48 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:00:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > > > > But but but you don't have a '911' button either. > > > http://www.home-security-system.cc/dbpix/mobile911-l.jpg > Heh. Reminds me of my ADT home security system, except the "911 emergency send help right now" button is actually a combination of 2 or 3 buttons (which I can never remember the proper sequence of). I think the rationale is they don't want someone accidentally leaning against the main wall mounted unit and sending out a call for all arms. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:11:15 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: One gulp, and Bush was gone References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | > | LOL... do you think he's inadvertently revealing his plans? Could a > | submarine successfully navigate up the Mississippi to Little Rock, I > | wonder.. > > No. Even when the river is high there is not that much depth in the > channel above the north bridge @ Baton Rouge. I'm sure the Special Ops guys have a mini-sub perfectly suited for the job ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:13:55 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:15:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > I just got a normal popup (after I disabled popup killer). The site > that's worst for things that obscure what you're trying to look at is > the TVGuide.com site. Often their 'popups' can't be closed, thus > making the site absolutely useless. I think the UK Telegraph online > also uses that style of ad but usually you can close theirs Hmmm.....I mentioned one site that did something like that, but I just went to TVGuide and got nothing. Maybe it's About.com that does it the worst? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:15:50 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the > vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio > still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 > overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots > are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days > prior to the election haven't been counted. > > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm Don't they also have some deadline for doing a recount that they can't possibly make because of the snail's pace of the current count? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:17:21 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Heidi wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > >>Why do you hate America? > > > > Uhh.....because he's a hoser? > > That reminds me, anyone see the Daily Show segment last night about > Canadian conservatives who wanted to come to America? HILARIOUS! Yeah, that was a good one! "You might want to remove your beret first, it's kind of French.....and gay" ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 16:37:13 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:cokbq0$fkg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: > <> > > Because a card small enough to fit in an average wallet wouldn't have much > room for visas. > Ummmm.... But, doesn't a smart card have a data holding capability? Electronic Visas????? Where there's a will there's a way... But, of course, there more documents you have to have, the more departments and civil-servants you have to have in order to service them. - - More money for the gvnmt....!! ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 16:39:58 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 11:45:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:cokcnn$g2o$3@news.spamcop.net... > "D.F. Manno" > > | > | Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Do they bar barristers too? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:05:36 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:00:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This textbook may be hazardous to your brain References: <41AC8D78.CE44A668@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <41ADEBD0.5EE27BEA@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: [...] > P.S. Hey Ken, do you mind fixing your sig with the proper delimiter? It looks correct to me. Newline, dash, dash, space, newline. What's wrong with it at your end? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:19:27 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:00:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: <41ADEF0F.B51E4AE@spamcop.net> JerryMouse wrote: [...] > I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this year, for > the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years ago, NOT allowing > the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. That's only half the story. They ban _all_ solicitors. They used to make an exception for the Salvation Army, but have decided that it must be an all-or-nothing policy. They cannot allow one charity, while prohibiting others. For more info, see . > On the other hand, not only does Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow Salvation > Army access, Wal-Mart assigns its own employees to ring the bells and > collect the donations. Do Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow other charities to solicit on store grounds? Will their employees do the soliting for these charities? Somehow, I doubt it. (Though I have seen the occasional Girl Scout troop outside one of the Sam's Clubs in the area.) > Fie on Target. Why? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:22:10 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:00:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: <41ADEFB2.B66E2ED7@spamcop.net> "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > In article , > "JerryMouse" wrote: > > > I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this year, for > > the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years ago, NOT allowing > > the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. [...] > As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. Wal-Mart > strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per year. > > Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, Borders, > Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohl?s, and Lowe?s Home Improvement, among > others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. Also, one national chain > of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere on any of its properties. The difference here is that Target used to make an exception to their "no soliciting" rule for the Salvation Army. So, when you say "we will no longer make any exceptions", it's spread around that somehow you are now "banning the Salvation Army", rather than "no longer giving them special treatment". The others never allowed it in the first place, so it's not "news". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:47:32 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:00:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: <41ADF5A4.DE1A2F70@spamcop.net> JerryMouse wrote: [...] > Evidently, somebody isn't getting the word. Or, also possible, choosing to > ignore an anti-social and downright repugnant directive from slugs > headquartered in a blue state. > > Too, we may be quibbling over the word "soliciting." I suggest that a > Salvation Army bell-ringer (or a Girl Scout cookie-sale-table) is not > "soliciting" in the sense that they're not asking for participation as much > as they're simply providing an opportunity to do the right thing. Just curious... Which charities and organizations should be allowed to "provide an opportunity to do the right thing", and which ones should still be prohibited from doing so? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 11:51:59 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:00:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: <41ADF6AF.3DA5A65C@spamcop.net> Stewart Gordon wrote: > > Porpoise wrote: > > >> Yeah, mine too actually. I doubt though that overseas applicants > >> will have to get the ID card. I don't see why they need an ID card > >> as well as the new picture driving licenses. They should just > >> extend those to everyone as they do here in the US (if you're not a > >> driver, it's just an ID card). > > You mean you have a general ID card that just happens to be called a > driving licence? And someone was wrong in telling me you have to be at > least 16 to get one? [...] In the U.S., there is an ID card which is basically the same thing as a driver's license except it doesn't give you the right to drive. (So that those people, who for some reason or another can't get or don't want/need a driver's license, can use it the same way many places use a driver's license for ID.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 09:22:04 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >>I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this year, for >>the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years ago, NOT allowing >>the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. >> >>On the other hand, not only does Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow Salvation >>Army access, Wal-Mart assigns its own employees to ring the bells and >>collect the donations. >> >>Fie on Target. > > As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. Wal-Mart > strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per year. > > Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, Borders, > Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohl?s, and Lowe?s Home Improvement, among > others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. Also, one national chain > of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere on any of its properties. What interests me here is that the same people who espouse that with de-regulation corporations will always "do the right thing" seem to be the same ones who are "upset" about the "downright repugnant directive from slugs headquartered in a blue state." Flip, flop. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 09:32:12 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] this does concern the S word but... Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm What fun! Let's all log on LOL From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 09:35:51 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:cokef7$h31$3@news.spamcop.net... > You ain't been around long enough to make that determination. > > When I was initially disabled my life was the inside of my home without much > effective communication even with my family due to cognitive damage as a > side effect of open heart surgery. My limitations were somewhat negated by > being able to take my time in responding to post. Why bother even conversing with this asshole? He couldn't give a sh1t about your illness or disability. Instead he mocks the errors you make and everything else in the known universe, apparently. I hope I never become such a cynical, narrow minded asshole. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 09:37:34 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:40:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:cokqk4$p5t$1@news.spamcop.net... > Hmmm.....I mentioned one site that did something like that, but I just went > to TVGuide and got nothing. Maybe it's About.com that does it the worst? TV Guide doesn't always have those ads, it's true (I'd say about 50% of the time I encounter a fake popup on there and about 10% of those times I can't close it). The one I got most recently that I couldn't close down was for Malcolm in the Middle. I never go to about.com. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 09:39:15 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed Dec 1 12:40:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: <41ADF6AF.3DA5A65C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:41ADF6AF.3DA5A65C@spamcop.net... > In the U.S., there is an ID card which is basically the same thing as > a driver's license except it doesn't give you the right to drive. (So > that those people, who for some reason or another can't get or don't > want/need a driver's license, can use it the same way many places use > a driver's license for ID.) Right, what he said. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 13:27:26 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 13:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Motorcycle Accident References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Nah. Really, the armor sounds like a good start of an idea - it's > just that it needs some work. I mean, you need to be able to move > your fingers to do finger things like hit turn signals and you, of > course, want your hands protected when you fall. Oh, and comfort for > long trips. Probably insulated or heated... I'm sure we could design something......think titanium...... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 13:27:07 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Dec 1 13:30:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:coks6g$qb8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > | Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. > > Do they bar barristers too? > Hey, since they started airing This Life again over here, I'll ask you this - what's the difference between a barrister and a solicitor? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 13:30:24 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 13:35:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This textbook may be hazardous to your brain References: <41AC8D78.CE44A668@spamcop.net> <41ADEBD0.5EE27BEA@spamcop.net> Message-ID: This is what it looks like when go to I reply -- your sig doesn't disappear like it's supposed to. I think the correct method is newline, dash, dash, space (no second newline), but someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm quite sure ;-) Kenneth Brody wrote: > indigo wrote: > [...] > > P.S. Hey Ken, do you mind fixing your sig with the proper delimiter? > > It looks correct to me. Newline, dash, dash, space, newline. What's > wrong with it at your end? > > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | | > +-------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------- -+ > Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 13:31:19 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 13:35:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:cokqk4$p5t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hmmm.....I mentioned one site that did something like that, but I > just went > > to TVGuide and got nothing. Maybe it's About.com that does it the > > worst? > > TV Guide doesn't always have those ads, it's true (I'd say about 50% > of the time I encounter a fake popup on there and about 10% of those > times I can't close it). The one I got most recently that I couldn't > close down was for Malcolm in the Middle. I never go to about.com. I never go there *on purpose* but sometimes gargle will send me there if I don't pay attention to the URL before clicking..... From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Wed Dec 1 19:44:48 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Wed Dec 1 14:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:cokvgv$sdk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:cokqk4$p5t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hmmm.....I mentioned one site that did something like that, but I just > went > > to TVGuide and got nothing. Maybe it's About.com that does it the worst? > > TV Guide doesn't always have those ads, it's true (I'd say about 50% of the > time I encounter a fake popup on there and about 10% of those times I can't > close it). The one I got most recently that I couldn't close down was for > Malcolm in the Middle. I never go to about.com. > > I think I've managed to stop some of the more irritating ones by right clicking on the add pop-up, getting its properties, copying it's URL and adding its web site to my restricted zone and also adding its web site to my blocked cookies list. Trouble is if I haven't seen it for a while and hence it's stopped irritating me I'm not sure if I stopped it or it stopped by itself or I just forgot about it :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 15:49:09 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 15:50:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked References: Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > > > I think I've managed to stop some of the more irritating ones by right > clicking on the add pop-up, getting its properties, copying it's URL > and adding its web site to my restricted zone and also adding its web > site to my blocked cookies list. Trouble is if I haven't seen it for > a while and hence it's stopped irritating me I'm not sure if I > stopped it or it stopped by itself or I just forgot about it :-) The problem is that some of those things aren't true popups, their scripts, so you can't block the URL without blocking the entire web site. From whatever at goaway.pls Wed Dec 1 13:05:20 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Wed Dec 1 16:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:cokvdo$scq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Why bother even conversing with this asshole? There are a few (very few) on the liberal side who are actually intelligent enough to know why I decided to stick around. Froggy might just be one of them. > He couldn't give a sh1t about > your illness or disability. Correct. Just as you wouldn't be shedding any tears if a war-mongering, rhetoric spewing Bush supporter bought the farm (although that's not the reason I don't give a sh*t). > Instead he mocks the errors you make and > everything else in the known universe, apparently. Now that sounds familiar. > I hope I never become > such a cynical, narrow minded asshole. You're allot better at it than I am. While my posts are abrasive by design, your spews are actually your opinion. Froggy's tolerance is the only thing that makes you (the few) look good to outsiders - and frankly I should resent it, as it defeats the reason I'm loitering around here. If it were not for his (and a few others) occasional disregard for the village rules, as defined by yourself and a few others, anyone who visits this group for the first time would leave with the opinion that you are ALL activist idiots, when in fact there are just a few who have commandeered this group for the purpose of throwing eggs and rallying support. Every time you 'order' one of the villagers not to reply to my (or anyone else's) posts, you do me great favors by displaying a communist mentality which makes most people sick. Every time you mock Betsy or Mouse for their opinions - while expressing your outrage that someone like me mocks yours - you show any newcomers what hypocrites you are... which leads back to the reason I'm hanging around. I guess what I'm saying is... keep up the good work. :) From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 16:10:12 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 1 16:10:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: Message-ID: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm > > What fun! Let's all log on LOL "The list of sites that the screensaver will target is taken from real-time blacklists generated by organisations such as Spamcop." Gee, I wasn't aware that SpamCop had a list of spamvertised sites. ;-) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 13:29:46 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 16:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... In-Reply-To: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> References: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm >> >>What fun! Let's all log on LOL > > "The list of sites that the screensaver will target is taken from real-time > blacklists generated by organisations such as Spamcop." > > Gee, I wasn't aware that SpamCop had a list of spamvertised sites. ;-) http://mailsc.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress;type=www Since this is .social and this has been discussed in .spamcop, f-ups set. From hee.haw at jack.ass Wed Dec 1 16:36:58 2004 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Wed Dec 1 16:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Condoleeza's 2nd Term Persona... Message-ID: Uncle George's Converted Rice... -- I Shave With Occams Razor http://www.dwacon.com From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 14:04:02 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:05:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Condoleeza's 2nd Term Persona... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dwayne Conyers wrote: > Uncle George's Converted Rice... http://www.funnypicsusa.com/Misc-PoliticalHumorpics2/condoleeza_rice.jpg From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 14:35:07 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Pesky use taxes... again Message-ID: I read this over the holiday weekend and thought it, um, enlightening. http://tinyurl.com/5ujhf or http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/25/BUGJ1A12091.DTL From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 17:41:40 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:45:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > I read this over the holiday weekend and thought it, um, enlightening. > > http://tinyurl.com/5ujhf > That's exactly how the rich get richer....... From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 17:42:59 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:45:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > "indigo" wrote: > > > > > > I'm *not* dismissing the idea, I'm dismissing what I think you are > > > trying to claim -- that the majority of obese people in this > > > country are not responsible for their being overweight. That's > > > being an enabler IMO. > > > > Define "responsible" in this context. > > Responsible meaning that they do *not* consume _normal_ amounts of calories > from healthy foods. When I referred to the studies showing that the obese do not consume significantly more calories than the non-obese, I wasn't making that up. You're blaming the victim. Do you think that cancer patients are responsible for their disease? Your prejudice against the obese is obvious. You're not willing to entertain any explanation that contradicts your thinking. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 17:46:06 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:50:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > Hey, since they started airing This Life again over here, I'll ask you this - > what's the difference between a barrister and a solicitor? Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely appear in court. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 14:48:56 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:50:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>I read this over the holiday weekend and thought it, um, enlightening. >> >>http://tinyurl.com/5ujhf > > That's exactly how the rich get richer....... ...and why a national sales tax is a bad idea. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 22:54:04 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 17:55:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-40D492.17460601122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> Hey, since they started airing This Life again over here, I'll ask you >> this - >> what's the difference between a barrister and a solicitor? > > Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor > provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely > appear in court. But, apparently, they used to spend a lot of time in department stores at this time of year. ;-) From johnl at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 22:59:33 2004 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:00:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in news:coli40$9an$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfm2a3l0t2-40D492.17460601122004@news.cesmail.net... >> Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor >> provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely >> appear in court. > > But, apparently, they used to spend a lot of time in department stores > at this time of year. ;-) > > What about those "girls" who stand on the street? Are not some of them "Solicitors"? Don't they appear in court?;-) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 18:02:59 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: In article , "JerryMouse" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. Wal-Mart > > strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per year. > > Interesting. I didn't know that. I personally asked the bell-ringers in > front of my local Sam's Club and Wal-Mart (next door) on November 26th. I > guess, according to your calculations, they'll have to quit their acceptance > of donations (I wouldn't call it soliciting) on December 11th. > > I'll check for the Salvation Army's presence on December 12th, report back, > and we'll see how good your information is. Others may want to verify your > "part of the story" by noting their local conditions. Source: > > Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, > > Borders, Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohl?s, and Lowe?s Home > > Improvement, among others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. > > Also, one national chain of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere > > on any of its properties. > > Also interesting. I've seen Girl Scout cookie sales at my local Home Depot > and gift wrapping services on behalf of our local museum society at my > neighborhood Borders. > > Evidently, somebody isn't getting the word. Or, also possible, choosing to > ignore an anti-social and downright repugnant directive from slugs > headquartered in a blue state. Why do you even bother shooting from the hip when your statements are so easily and often proven wrong? Home Depot is headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia--a RED state. > Too, we may be quibbling over the word "soliciting." I suggest that a > Salvation Army bell-ringer (or a Girl Scout cookie-sale-table) is not > "soliciting" in the sense that they're not asking for participation as much > as they're simply providing an opportunity to do the right thing. I suggest following the dictionary definition. Webster's gives as one definition of "solicit" the following: "To ask from with earnestness; to make petition to; to apply to for obtaining something; as, to solicit person for alms." Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick and choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their property. Would you be this solicitous of religious and charitiable fundraising if the charity were Islamic Relief Worldwide? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 1 23:07:15 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns95B2A2AFC7383johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Porpoise" wrote in > news:coli40$9an$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> >> "D.F. Manno" wrote in message >> news:dfm2a3l0t2-40D492.17460601122004@news.cesmail.net... >>> Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor >>> provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely >>> appear in court. >> >> But, apparently, they used to spend a lot of time in department stores >> at this time of year. ;-) >> >> > > What about those "girls" who stand on the street? > Are not some of them "Solicitors"? Don't they appear in court?;-) LOL. But I don't think their legal advice would be up to much.......... ;-) From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 15:09:57 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:10:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cold4a$5r8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Gee, I wasn't aware that SpamCop had a list of spamvertised sites. ;-) > > http://mailsc.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress;type=www > > Since this is .social and this has been discussed in .spamcop, f-ups set. I don't go there... hence posting it here. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 18:13:32 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This textbook may be hazardous to your brain References: <41AC8EC6.6400799E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article <41AC8EC6.6400799E@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody wrote: > On the other hand, if you remove the Earthcentric "day == 24 hours" > assumption, and read the timeline of Genesis versus the timeline of > the Big Bang, they actually fit pretty well in places. Really? According to Genesis 1:14-18, God created the earth _before_ he created the sun and the stars, which is a pretty big mistake to me and to most cosmologists.. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 17:19:45 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Michael Moore Explains Dems Loss Message-ID: "They got more votes." (Thus spake the clean-shaven, hatless, business-suit-attired, proto-Republican Michael Moore on the Tonight Show) http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/30/93015.shtml From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 18:31:47 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:35:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Whatever" | | > Why bother even conversing with this asshole? There are a few (very few) on the liberal side who are actually intelligent enough to know why I decided to stick around. Froggy might just be one of them. I have no clue and care less. BTW don't stick around on my account ... unless you plan to change your ways that is. | > He couldn't give a sh1t about | > your illness or disability. | | Correct. Just as you wouldn't be shedding any tears if a war-mongering, | rhetoric spewing Bush supporter bought the farm (although that's not the | reason I don't give a sh*t). Perhaps you would be better off if you did give even a micro-give-a-sh|t. | > I hope I never become | > such a cynical, narrow minded asshole. | | You're allot better at it than I am. While my posts are abrasive by design, | your spews are actually your opinion. Froggy's tolerance is the only thing | that makes you (the few) look good to outsiders - and frankly I should | resent it, as it defeats the reason I'm loitering around here. If it were | not for his (and a few others) occasional disregard for the village rules, | as defined by yourself and a few others, anyone who visits this group for | the first time would leave with the opinion that you are ALL activist | idiots, when in fact there are just a few who have commandeered this group | for the purpose of throwing eggs and rallying support. Reminds me of the story about two people who move to a new area. the first asked a local what where the people like around here. the local asked what were the people like where you come from. A: Mean, hateful, opinionated and generally hard to deal with. The local responded 'you'll find the folk here are the same'. The second man asked the same and receive the same question from the local only the second man's response 'Nicest people you could ever want to meet, friendly, helpful full of good cheer. The local responded 'you'll find the folk here are the same'. So Whatever, keep this story in mind when you come into our parlor for a visit. | Every time you 'order' one of the villagers not to reply to my (or anyone | else's) posts, you do me great favors by displaying a communist mentality | which makes most people sick. Every time you mock Betsy or Mouse for their | opinions - while expressing your outrage that someone like me mocks yours - | you show any newcomers what hypocrites you are... which leads back to the | reason I'm hanging around. Like I said you ain't been here long enough to know much less judge the what and why of .social. As to S-kat you are way off the mark in what her input and admonishments mean to me or to anyone else here. FWIW the courtesy I extend to you is a direct result of the courtesy she and others extended to me when I first popped in here. Best not to wear it out. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 17:32:24 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:35:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> I read this over the holiday weekend and thought it, um, >> enlightening. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/5ujhf >> > > That's exactly how the rich get richer....... No, that's how the rich avoid losing the money they already have. When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on high-ticket items (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American yacht-construction industry just about disappeared. Yacht buyers, instead of paying the confiscatory tax, simply bought their yachts in the Bahamas or elsewhere. American shipyards became ghost towns. The law was eventually repealed, but not until the damage was done. Changes in tax policy DO result in changes in taxpayer actions. This simple fact is somehow beyond the understanding of most politicians. I recall a cruise promotion that was "free." A couple would sail to the Caymen Islands (or somewhere) and get divorced on December 31st. The next day, the captain (or somebody) would marry them again. For some couples, the fact that they were single at the end of the year resulted in sufficient tax savings to pay for the cruise! From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 18:35:09 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:35:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Don't they also have some deadline for doing a recount that they can't > possibly make because of the snail's pace of the current count? In Bush v. Gore, SCOTUS seized on the December 12 deadline as an excuse to halt the recount, saying that it would be impossible for Florida to complete the recount by that date. However, that deadline has nothing to do with counting the vote. If a state certifies its results by December 12, then Congress cannot challenge those results when it comes time to count the Electoral College vote. That's all. In elections prior to 2000, states did sometimes certify the results after that date. For instance, Hawaii didn't certify the 1960 results until January 4. All the deadline meant was that some member of Congress could have raised a challenge to the Hawaii electors if s/he were so inclined. There's no telling what will happen if a state flips the election and is certified after December 12. The GOP no doubt will rush into court arguing the deadline, but SCOTUS said that Bush v. Gore applied _only_ to the 2000 election and could not be used as precedent. Then again, by any reasonable interpretation of the law, the court could never have reached the decision it did in Bush v. Gore. So if the 2004 election reaches them, they may just do what they did in 2000--put the guy they want in office without regard for the law. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 15:35:46 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:40:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... In-Reply-To: References: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>> Gee, I wasn't aware that SpamCop had a list of spamvertised sites. ;-) > >>http://mailsc.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress;type=www >> >>Since this is .social and this has been discussed in .spamcop, f-ups set. > > I don't go there... hence posting it here. Hey, ain't no thang to me... but expect to "go there" with others! From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 17:36:22 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:40:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm > > What fun! Let's all log on LOL It's been hacked and DDoSed. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39168558,00.htm From David1 at suescornerweb.com Wed Dec 1 18:36:30 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:40:17 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Michael Moore Explains Dems Loss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > "They got more votes." > > (Thus spake the clean-shaven, hatless, business-suit-attired, > proto-Republican Michael Moore on the Tonight Show) > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/30/93015.shtml > > Hey, thanks for that link, I needed that for a follow up. David 1 From cnwykab02 at sneakemail.com Thu Dec 2 00:36:52 2004 From: cnwykab02 at sneakemail.com (Warre) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:40:18 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons Message-ID: Look! It's a post that isn't about politics! http://media.hugi.is/hahradi/fyndnar/dungeons_n_dragons.wmv Sorry about the WMV-format by the way, couldn't find anything better... From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 17:52:59 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 18:55:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >> In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the >> vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and >> Ohio still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some >> 93,000 overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional >> ballots are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two >> days prior to the election haven't been counted. >> >> http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm > > Don't they also have some deadline for doing a recount that they can't > possibly make because of the snail's pace of the current count? Federal rules: December 7th is the deadline for settling all controversies within a state over the selection of electors. December 13th is the date Electoral College voting and for transmission to the President of the Senate. December 22nd: Deadline for receiving these votes by the Archivist and President of the Senate January 3rd: Deadline for transmitting the votes to the Congress. January 6th: Electoral votes are counted. Each state may have options that latch in. For example, if the votes cannot be certified by the state's election official in a timely fashion, the legislature may meet in special session to resolve the difficulties. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 15:56:38 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 19:00:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > indigo wrote: >>Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>>I read this over the holiday weekend and thought it, um, >>>enlightening. >>> >>>http://tinyurl.com/5ujhf >> >>That's exactly how the rich get richer....... > > No, that's how the rich avoid losing the money they already have. > > When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on high-ticket items > (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American yacht-construction industry just > about disappeared. Yacht buyers, instead of paying the confiscatory tax, > simply bought their yachts in the Bahamas or elsewhere. > > American shipyards became ghost towns. > > The law was eventually repealed, but not until the damage was done. You are terribly misinformed. The tax you refer to applied *only* to *automobiles* costing more than $30k. I do not believe there has been a federal tax on yachts in decades. Perhaps you should read something other than NewsMax. > Changes in tax policy DO result in changes in taxpayer actions. This simple > fact is somehow beyond the understanding of most politicians. There are legitimate reasons to impose a luxury tax, particularly during wartime to raise revenue as well as discourage the use of essential resources for production of items not related to the national effort. Last I checked, we're in the middle of a war. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 17:57:40 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 19:00:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: <41ADF5A4.DE1A2F70@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > [...] >> Evidently, somebody isn't getting the word. Or, also possible, >> choosing to ignore an anti-social and downright repugnant directive >> from slugs headquartered in a blue state. >> >> Too, we may be quibbling over the word "soliciting." I suggest that a >> Salvation Army bell-ringer (or a Girl Scout cookie-sale-table) is not >> "soliciting" in the sense that they're not asking for participation >> as much as they're simply providing an opportunity to do the right >> thing. > > Just curious... > > Which charities and organizations should be allowed to "provide an > opportunity to do the right thing", and which ones should still be > prohibited from doing so? Good question - I don't know. First, I'd handle it on a case-by-case basis. Second, I, personally, would try to check whether the funds obtained were being used for charitable purposes (not admistration, prosletyzing, etc.). Even then, it would still not be a black-and-white call. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 18:19:51 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 19:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "JerryMouse" wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>> As is usual for you, you're providing only part of the story. >>> Wal-Mart strictly limits soliciting at its stores to 14 days per >>> year. >> >> Interesting. I didn't know that. I personally asked the bell-ringers >> in front of my local Sam's Club and Wal-Mart (next door) on November >> 26th. I guess, according to your calculations, they'll have to quit >> their acceptance of donations (I wouldn't call it soliciting) on >> December 11th. >> >> I'll check for the Salvation Army's presence on December 12th, >> report back, and we'll see how good your information is. Others may >> want to verify your "part of the story" by noting their local >> conditions. > > Source: > > >>> Target is not the only chain to bar solicitors. Barnes & Noble, >>> Borders, Circuit City, Home Depot, Kohlıs, and Loweıs Home >>> Improvement, among others, do not allow any charitable soliciting. >>> Also, one national chain of shopping malls bans soliciting anywhere >>> on any of its properties. >> >> Also interesting. I've seen Girl Scout cookie sales at my local Home >> Depot and gift wrapping services on behalf of our local museum >> society at my neighborhood Borders. >> >> Evidently, somebody isn't getting the word. Or, also possible, >> choosing to ignore an anti-social and downright repugnant directive >> from slugs headquartered in a blue state. > > Why do you even bother shooting from the hip when your statements are > so easily and often proven wrong? Home Depot is headquartered in > Atlanta, Georgia--a RED state. My mistake. I apologize. I should have said "a blue state or blue city." > >> Too, we may be quibbling over the word "soliciting." I suggest that a >> Salvation Army bell-ringer (or a Girl Scout cookie-sale-table) is not >> "soliciting" in the sense that they're not asking for participation >> as much as they're simply providing an opportunity to do the right >> thing. > > I suggest following the dictionary definition. Webster's gives as one > definition of "solicit" the following: "To ask from with earnestness; > to make petition to; to apply to for obtaining something; as, to > solicit > person for alms." Okay, that's a good definition. It illustrates my point by emphasising "earnestness." Probably passive availability (such as the bell-ringers) might not be considered "solicitation." > > Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning > solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick > and choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their > property. I am aware the Army is a religion. Target (and their parent, Dayton-Hudson) is also aware the Army is a religion. They've been aware of this for 102 years. And, whatever the motivation, Target certainly has the unfettered right to decide who or what outside organizations they allow on their property. But I don't have to like it. Let me be clear: I do not subscribe to the Salvation Army's religion (or anything close) but I do admire and promote the charitable work they do. They run soup-kitchens, alcoholic rehabilitation services, battered-women and homless shelters, and other needful services for the communities in which they're located. They do these things effectively, cheaply, and with no preaching. They are, in my estimation, the epitome of righteous folk. Those who encourage and support the Army are righteous-folk one-time removed. Those who oppose the Salvation Army, are wicked, wicked people. > > Would you be this solicitous of religious and charitiable fundraising > if > the charity were Islamic Relief Worldwide? Sure - the charitable function. Although bell-ringers for IRW at Christmastime would indicate a lack of concentration on somebody's part. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Dec 1 18:28:32 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Dec 1 19:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: <41ADEF0F.B51E4AE@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: >> On the other hand, not only does Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow >> Salvation Army access, Wal-Mart assigns its own employees to ring >> the bells and collect the donations. > > Do Wal-Mart and Sam's Club allow other charities to solicit on store > grounds? I don't know. I don't think so - never having noticed any. What do other charities have to do with anything? > Will their employees do the soliting for these charities? I don't know. Why would this be important? > Somehow, I doubt it. (Though I have seen the occasional Girl Scout > troop outside one of the Sam's Clubs in the area.) > >> Fie on Target. > > Why? Because they are evil cowards. Instead of saying to the Society for the Protection of Star-Faced Moles, "Sure, we let the Salvation Army accept donations on our property. And we won't let you. Our property, our rules." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 18:51:04 2004 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Cat) Date: Wed Dec 1 19:55:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > My mistake. I apologize. I should have said "a blue state or blue city." Like I said before, it's not much of an apology if you just say "I apologize." What do you have against saying "I'm sorry"? When you can't bring yourself to say more than a basic "I apologize," your apology just doesn't sound sincere. From pete at heypete.com Wed Dec 1 17:29:08 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Wed Dec 1 20:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons References: Message-ID: In article , Warre wrote: > Look! It's a post that isn't about politics! > > http://media.hugi.is/hahradi/fyndnar/dungeons_n_dragons.wmv > > Sorry about the WMV-format by the way, couldn't find anything better... Is that serious, or is it staged? The cops look real, the gunshot sounded real, and the guy seemed crazy enough. :-P http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html is also funny. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 20:30:19 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:00:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "What Now" | > | > Why do you hate America? | > | | > | I don't. | > | > Could'd fool me. | | Come back when you are the spoking gooder englishes. My cognitive problems are the result of open heart surgery. How are we to explain your cognitive problems? From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 20:36:03 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:00:17 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: "indigo" | | I was referring more to those kind of folks who "only want the best" for | their dearly departed -- you know, fancy casket, sealed burial chamber, all | that nonsense to "preserve" the body of someone who doesn't give a damn | (they're dead, after all). The whole idea is ludicrous to me, and a total | waste of money that could be put to better use among the living. They could | dump me in a landfill for all I care. I want to be cremated then mixed with a batch of Masengil (spl?)... . From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 20:55:59 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:00:18 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning | solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick and | choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their property. Salvation Army is a religious based service organization. They are one of the original 'soup kitchen' religious organization. Their over head is low (compared to other charities) and the do good much without any requirement for reciprocity i.e. joining their group. I recall some hurricane relief work we were doing in Louisiana (mid '60s) we came out of the muck after hours of pulling folk from flooded homes. Went to the Red Cross canteen truck for coffee and were told it was $1 per cup. Went down the road to the S.A. tent and had a sound lunch (no cost) and were provided with a box of sandwiches and a disposable thermos of coffee for later. From whatever at goaway.pls Wed Dec 1 18:01:53 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:colk9c$aom$1@news.spamcop.net... > I have no clue I agree. > and care less. Care less about what? > BTW don't stick around on my account ... I havn't ... and won't. > unless you plan to change your ways that is. Mmmm... nope. > Perhaps you would be better off if you did give even a micro-give-a-sh|t. Hmmm. I'll just have to put you on hold for a sec... (muffled splorf). > Reminds me of the story about two people who move to a new area. the first > asked a local what where the people like around here. the local asked what > were the people like where you come from. A: Mean, hateful, opinionated and > generally hard to deal with. The local responded 'you'll find the folk here > are the same'. > > The second man asked the same and receive the same question from the local > only the second man's response 'Nicest people you could ever want to meet, > friendly, helpful full of good cheer. The local responded 'you'll find the > folk here are the same'. > > So Whatever, keep this story in mind when you come into our parlor for a > visit. It's not your parlor; it will never be your parlor. That's why I'm here. > Like I said you ain't been here long enough to know much less judge the what > and why of .social. As to S-kat you are way off the mark in what her input > and admonishments mean to me or to anyone else here. > > FWIW the courtesy I extend to you is a direct result of the courtesy she and > others extended to me when I first popped in here. Best not to wear it out. See? You almost had me fooled into thinking you were intelligent for a moment there. :) From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 21:03:25 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:05:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: <41ADF6AF.3DA5A65C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" | > >> Yeah, mine too actually. I doubt though that overseas applicants | > >> will have to get the ID card. I don't see why they need an ID card | > >> as well as the new picture driving licenses. They should just | > >> extend those to everyone as they do here in the US (if you're not a | > >> driver, it's just an ID card). | > | > You mean you have a general ID card that just happens to be called a | > driving license? And someone was wrong in telling me you have to be at | > least 16 to get one? | [...] | | In the U.S., there is an ID card which is basically the same thing as | a driver's license except it doesn't give you the right to drive. (So | that those people, who for some reason or another can't get or don't | want/need a driver's license, can use it the same way many places use | a driver's license for ID.) | It's called a Photo ID and is usually issued by the DMV in each state. I have a DL in Texas and a Photo ID in NC as NC merchants what an in state ID. BTW the NC Alcohol & Beverage folk won't accept a US Pass port as legal proof of age. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Dec 1 21:31:56 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:35:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > "D.F. Manno" > > | Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning > | solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick and > | choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their property. > > Salvation Army is a religious based service organization. They are one of > the original 'soup kitchen' religious organization. Their over head is low > (compared to other charities) and the do good much without any requirement > for reciprocity i.e. joining their group. I recall some hurricane relief > work we were doing in Louisiana (mid '60s) we came out of the muck after > hours of pulling folk from flooded homes. Went to the Red Cross canteen > truck for coffee and were told it was $1 per cup. Went down the road to the > S.A. tent and had a sound lunch (no cost) and were provided with a box of > sandwiches and a disposable thermos of coffee for later. I'm not disputing the good work they do. But to call them a "religious based service organization" is an incomplete description. From their Web site: > The Salvation Army was founded as an evangelical organization dedicated to > bringing people into a meaningful relationship with God through Christ. Its > doctrinal basis is that of the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition. It is composed of > persons who are united by the love of God and man, and who share the common > purpose of the organization - to motivate all people to embrace the salvation > provided to them in Christ. > > The word "army" indicates that the organization is a fighting force, > constantly at war with the powers of evil. Battles are effectively waged > through an integrated ministry that gives attention to both body and spirit. > It is a total ministry for the total person. The Army cooperates with > churches of all denominations to meet the needs of the community. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 21:16:50 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:40:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > | What *is* the correct number to dial for 911 anyway? ;-) | > | > | > | > 9 - 1 - 1 SEND | > | | > | | > | Hmmm....I don't have a 'dash' button on my cell | > | phone....darnit....... | > | > But but but you don't have a '911' button either. | | But I could, if I owned one of those silly "emergency use only" cell phones | they pitch on late night infomercials........IIRC, they only have one | button, and that one dials 911. All wireless phones in the USA can dial 911 even ones that are not registered. This is by default. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 21:22:30 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:40:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:colkhd$asv$1@news.spamcop.net... | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm | > | > What fun! Let's all log on LOL | | It's been hacked and DDoSed. | | http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39168558,00.htm Worked for me. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Wed Dec 1 18:47:07 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Wed Dec 1 21:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: >>D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>| Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning >>| solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick and >>| choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their property. >> >>Salvation Army is a religious based service organization. They are one of >>the original 'soup kitchen' religious organization. Their over head is low >>(compared to other charities) and the do good much without any requirement >>for reciprocity i.e. joining their group. I recall some hurricane relief >>work we were doing in Louisiana (mid '60s) we came out of the muck after >>hours of pulling folk from flooded homes. Went to the Red Cross canteen >>truck for coffee and were told it was $1 per cup. Went down the road to the >>S.A. tent and had a sound lunch (no cost) and were provided with a box of >>sandwiches and a disposable thermos of coffee for later. > > I'm not disputing the good work they do. But to call them a "religious > based service organization" is an incomplete description. From their Web > site: > >>The Salvation Army was founded as an evangelical organization dedicated to >>bringing people into a meaningful relationship with God through Christ. Its >>doctrinal basis is that of the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition. It is composed of >>persons who are united by the love of God and man, and who share the common >>purpose of the organization - to motivate all people to embrace the salvation >>provided to them in Christ. For shits and grins I looked up their SIC code: it's 8399, Social. The NAICS Code is 813319, Other Social Advocacy Organizations. For comparison, the Knights of Columbus has two: SIC codes 6311, Life insurance, and 8661, Religious organizations; and NAICS Codes 524113, Direct Life Insurance Carriers, and 813110, Religious Organizations. Churches have a SIC code of 8661, Religious organizations. These come from Hoover's. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 21:58:04 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:05:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" | I'm not disputing the good work they do. But to call them a "religious | based service organization" is an incomplete description. From their Web | site: | | > The Salvation Army was founded as an evangelical organization dedicated to | > bringing people into a meaningful relationship with God through Christ. Its | > doctrinal basis is that of the Wesleyan-Arminian tradition. It is composed of | > persons who are united by the love of God and man, and who share the common | > purpose of the organization - to motivate all people to embrace the salvation | > provided to them in Christ. | > | > The word "army" indicates that the organization is a fighting force, | > constantly at war with the powers of evil. Battles are effectively waged | > through an integrated ministry that gives attention to both body and spirit. | > It is a total ministry for the total person. The Army cooperates with | > churches of all denominations to meet the needs of the community. | They should be judged by the good works they do and given a better grade in that they are not 'pushy' about how they deal with the public. I've watched these folk in action and they offer help as they offer salvation but none of it is pushed. It is offered and encouraged but I've never seem them push themselves or their beliefs on any one. One member of the S-Army once explained it to me as being analogous to moving a pile of chain. Pushing does not work. Basically you can lead a horse to water, most times he will drink. My grandfather lost his home to a hurricane (he lived in south Mississippi just a few blocks off the gulf). Red Cross showed up and were such a PIA that he almost had to have the sheriff escort them off the property. S-Army showed up with a basket of necessities. (Pop offered them a beer - German-Irish will do that with a grin). They declined respectfully but sat there and shred their food with him while the younger 'troops' clear up enough so that he could navigate the property safely. They came back over the next several weeks to check on him and invite him to services but never ever pushed (as if that would have worked). Regardless they have a good reputation and a lot of support from S Mississipping and Louisiana as a direct result of their efforts to help. From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 22:00:05 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:05:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "indigo" < | > > > No matter how much you choose to dismiss the idea, the medical | > > > profession recognizes that there are physiological, genetic and | > > > psychological components to obesity. | > > | > > I'm *not* dismissing the idea, I'm dismissing what I think you are | > > trying to claim -- that the majority of obese people in this | > > country are not responsible for their being overweight. That's | > > being an enabler IMO. | > | > Define "responsible" in this context. | | Responsible meaning that they do *not* consume _normal_ amounts of calories | from healthy foods. Many obese folk actually consume fewer calories than you might expect. From whatever at goaway.pls Wed Dec 1 19:02:09 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:05:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:colsq2$gme$1@news.spamcop.net... > My cognitive problems are the result of open heart surgery. How are we to > explain your cognitive problems? Yah... my distaste for liberals is a result of a broken nail. :) From whatever at goaway.pls Wed Dec 1 19:13:40 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-531C3E.17290801122004@news.cesmail.net... > Is that serious, or is it staged? The cops look real, the gunshot > sounded real, and the guy seemed crazy enough. :-P That looked real to you? That explains the elections. :) From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 22:17:51 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:20:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" | For shits and grins I looked up their SIC code: it's 8399, Social. The | NAICS Code is 813319, Other Social Advocacy Organizations. | | For comparison, the Knights of Columbus has two: SIC codes 6311, Life | insurance, and 8661, Religious organizations; and NAICS Codes 524113, | Direct Life Insurance Carriers, and 813110, Religious Organizations. | | Churches have a SIC code of 8661, Religious organizations. | | These come from Hoover's. Why should that be a surprise. Many social organization had their prognosis as burial societies which evenly included life insurance. The Irish in New Orleans had the Hibernia Society then eventually became a very solid bank. From pete at heypete.com Wed Dec 1 19:18:07 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Wed Dec 1 22:20:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons References: Message-ID: In article , "Whatever" wrote: > That looked real to you? That explains the elections. *shrugs* Some people are weird enough to actually do that. My friend Kim says it's "Reno 911", a parody of COPS. Very funny indeed. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From me at privacy.net Wed Dec 1 22:59:38 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 1 23:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] RE: Pesky use taxes... again References: <3172jbF385dogU1@individual.net> Message-ID: >From another group > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/25/BUGJ1A12091.DTL >Wonder how that rules might apply to RVs. Yes, it applies to RVs. Cars also. Always did. the rules were moderately complicated, but any RV dealer worth their salt in or around California knew the rules and how to apply them. There are countless RV owners who have used the 90-day rule to have the purchase free of California sales tax, and a smaller number now are doing it with the 12-month rule. It (the 12-month rule) only lasts until July 1, 2006, so they can evaluate the effect on California vehicle/vessel/aircraft dealers. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 01:43:26 2004 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Cat) Date: Thu Dec 2 02:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > I would say that funerals are for the living and not the dead. Although > the results are pretty much the same, I would think that most people > would get pretty upset about just tossing their loved one into a > landfill. I think that some sort of ceremony and respect for the dead > is usually important for those dealing with a death, but getting "only > the best" seems a bit excessive to me. This is why pre-arrangements are a good thing. You get to pick out everything and pay for it while you're alive and know that you'll get what you want when you die instead of leaving it to your family to let things go too over the top or not be good enough. From David1 at suescornerweb.com Thu Dec 2 05:26:19 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Thu Dec 2 05:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: found a 'pop up' that I actually liked In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> I just got a normal popup (after I disabled popup killer). The site >>> that's worst for things that obscure what you're trying to look at is >>> the TVGuide.com site. Often their 'popups' can't be closed, thus >>> making the site absolutely useless. I think the UK Telegraph online >>> also uses that style of ad but usually you can close theirs >> >> >> >> Hmmm.....I mentioned one site that did something like that, but I just >> went >> to TVGuide and got nothing. Maybe it's About.com that does it the worst? > > > About.com has that evil banner ad that follows the page as your scroll. > I'm fairly intolerant of ads in general, but one that dogs you every > where you go, I kind of won't ever go to about.com mostly because of > that. I believe that one is part of the CSS in the html, so isn't > really a new window. If I went there enough, I would figure out what to > kill to disable it using Privoxy. That kills ads and popups fairly > well, but what is really good is it can also do a search and replace on > webpages. If for some reason, I'm tired of seeing the word 'the', I > could have it replace all that it finds with something else. I assume I > could disable the about.com thing sort of that way, if I cared enough. I think I just remembered why I have that one hoax article emailed to me instead of going to the site to get it. Thanks for posting this, You just saved me a trip & some time to remember why David 1 From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 11:46:52 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Thu Dec 2 06:50:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message > news:cokbq0$fkg$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Porpoise wrote: > > <> > >> Because a card small enough to fit in an average wallet wouldn't >> have much room for visas. > > Ummmm.... But, doesn't a smart card have a data holding capability? > Electronic Visas????? That's the obvious solution. But how long will it take the whole world to implement such a scheme? (I guess that, for the time being, good old paper passports would be used to travel to countries that haven't.) If we're going to have a national ID card, why pick one random specific-purpose document for it to double as? We could have one card for everything: - all-purpose photo ID/proof of age - National Insurance card - driving licence - passport - student ID/NUS card - work ID card - membership card for all your clubs - cashpoint/credit/debit card for all your accounts with all your providers - shop discount/reward card - office key - house key - car key .... The trouble is that it would make it more essential than ever that the card isn't going to be lost, stolen or damaged beyond usability. Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 07:03:50 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:20:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: "Cat" wrote in message news:comh2p$t6r$1@news.spamcop.net... | Mr K. Mean wrote: | > Frog Prince wrote: | | | | > I would say that funerals are for the living and not the dead. Although | > the results are pretty much the same, I would think that most people | > would get pretty upset about just tossing their loved one into a | > landfill. I think that some sort of ceremony and respect for the dead | > is usually important for those dealing with a death, but getting "only | > the best" seems a bit excessive to me. | | This is why pre-arrangements are a good thing. You get to pick out | everything and pay for it while you're alive and know that you'll get | what you want when you die instead of leaving it to your family to let | things go too over the top or not be good enough. Still have to be careful. My MIL died in another state from where her plan was set up. We dealt with the same company in both locations and found that we were billed for two caskets and two embalming. That and there were lots of miscellaneous extras added to the bill that made no sense. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 07:07:41 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:20:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Bob W." | > > Looking for the perfect Christmas Gift? Target has you covered! | > > | > > http://tinyurl.com/7y8lh | > > | > > or | > > | > > > 303388-5746541?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B000005D70> | > | > I expect this is part of Target's new policy which includes this year, for | > the first time since Dayton-Hudson began over 100 years ago, NOT allowing | > the Salvation Army bell-ringers access. | | | | Too bad... the last two bell-ringers I saw at Target were... real | bell-ringers. | | The Army had hired (or recruited) two of the most beautiful, | upscale-looking teenage -- probably 17 or 18 -- girls I've ever seen. | Like they just stepped off a TV screen, out of some new teen soap or | something. Perfectly coiffed, perfect Elizabeth Arden makeup, completely | poised, dazzling smiles, and a subtle blend of come-hither and | non-profit professionalism. | | It was just about the weirdest thing I've ever seen. | | They looked so completely out of place that I thought there must be | hidden cameras for some reality show nearby... or maybe these girls lost | a bet. | | I don't know... but I didn't drop any money in the kettle. Volunteers perhaps? We have some really sharp looking folk in my Hospice group with at least one (me) that ugly as home made sin. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 07:24:27 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:25:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Whatever" wrote in message news:colbn4$4o1$1@news.spamcop.net... > Every time you 'order' one of the villagers not to reply to my (or anyone > else's) posts, you do me great favors by displaying a communist mentality > which makes most people sick. Every time you mock Betsy or Mouse for their > opinions - while expressing your outrage that someone like me mocks yours - > you show any newcomers what hypocrites you are... which leads back to the > reason I'm hanging around. Don't stick up for me, please. I don't consider that anyone 'mocks' my opinions. I have had some very interesting debates with people here. There are several who do not agree with me about religion's place in one's life, but IMHO, they don't disrespect me because of it. On other subjects, sometimes I debate (which means that I argue one side - not that I am trying to evangelize), sometimes I comment and sometimes others posters agree and sometimes they disagree. Either you contribute to the group's purpose (which is to mostly have fun, but sometimes people have fun discussing serious subjects) or you don't. You either help drain the swamp or you don't. Miss Betsy From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 2 12:23:54 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Dec 2 07:25:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-E113C8.07431501122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > >> I think it's slightly different the captain of the ship carrying a >> weapon and all/most/some of the passengers - that's just asking for >> trouble......... couple a hundred passengers having a shoot-out at >> the OK coral at 30,000 ft.?? God help us! (If there is one). > > That's a similar argument to one that several people and groups have > expressed about the issuing of Concealed Carry Licenses[1]; > specifically, that there would be escalating levels of violence due to > trivial matters (a commonly-claimed reason is people shooting each other > over traffic accidents). Indeed, levels of crime in states where > citizens can carry effective means of self defense have dropped quite a > bit. While there's several possible causes for such drops in crime, > according to interviews with incarcerated criminals a major fear is that > of encountering an armed citizen. > Well, lets put it in a much simpler package........ If "several" people are carrying guns, then, technically, the posssibility exists that those "several" people could shoot several other people if there was any form of drunken altercation (and don't try and tell me it couldn't happen). On the other hand, if no-one is carrying a gun then nobody can shoot anybody..... Nuf sed. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:16:48 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:20:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: Stewart Gordon wrote in news:cokg1a$i41$1@news.spamcop.net: > My thought on the whole issue is that we definitely need a universal > ID scheme. So far, the nearest to being universally _accepted_ are > driving licences and passports. But not everyone drives or is in a > position to start driving, be it for physical, chronological, > financial or personal reasons. And passports are rather bulky to > carry around while out on the town. > >SNIP Here are my thoughts on the concept of I.D.s and the reasons for them: 1. Identify John Q. Public as to age, address, and whatever else the issuing government wants on them. This is a convenience to the owner, merchants, law enforcement, etc.. 2. Primary impetus seems to be to some how 'impair' the freedom of 'terrorists' so they can be tracked/kept out of your country/whatever. Now number one has been around for years...passports, drivers licenses, student I.D.s, various state issued cards. Depending on your location, a different issuing agency's card (as in a different state or country) may not be accepted. Number two. We are dealing with people with an organization that should be able to generate I.D.s that would be adequate for their needs. Makes the concept of any I.D for this purpose as ridiculous. If 'they' really want something that will be permanent and hard/impossible to fake, how about tatoos? A country code followed by a number. Want to change your number then you need a plastic surgeon and time. I'm sure everyone will remember this has been done in the past, when, by whom, and to whom. I find the idea repellant. The entire idea scares me. Road blocks where ever the authorities feel like it plus the expected sites such as trains, air terminals, ferry terminals, border crossings between countries, border crossings between states/provinces/shires/whatever. You have too many parking tickets, you get checked, you get arrested. Perhaps sarcastic but I do not trust anyone who thinks this way. With databases and computers in our cars I can think of all sorts of things that can be/could be done to us all in the names of "security" and "law and order"...m From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 07:53:13 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:20:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Idle Thoughts of a Retired Person whose Mind Wanders... References: <316lrpF37j6gcU1@individual.net> Message-ID: I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it. I had amnesia once -- or twice. I went to San Francisco. I found someone's heart. Now what? Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. If the world was a logical place, men would ride horses sidesaddle. What is a "free" gift? Aren't all gifts free? They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them. Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to merge his car onto a freeway. Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone. What if there were no hypothetical questions? One nice thing about egotists: They don't talk about other people. When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. What was the greatest thing before sliced bread? Hmmmm. My weight is perfect for my height -- which varies. I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. How can there be self-help "groups"? Is there another word for synonym? Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"? The speed of time is one-second per second. Is it possible to be totally partial? What's another word for thesaurus? Is Marx's tomb a communist plot? If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales? Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and I'll show you a man who can't get his pants off. It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one. Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 05:38:40 2004 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Dec 2 08:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: <3172jbF385dogU1@individual.net> Message-ID: My parents used the 90 day rule to get around paying sales tax for their RV. Long story short: They paid the same amount of money in trip expenses as they would have in tax. :) Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:com5jc$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... > From another group > >> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/25/BUGJ1A12091.DTL > >>Wonder how that rules might apply to RVs. > > Yes, it applies to RVs. Cars also. Always did. > > the rules were moderately complicated, but any RV dealer worth their > salt in or around California knew the rules and how to apply them. > There are countless RV owners who have used the 90-day rule to have > the purchase free of California sales tax, and a smaller number now > are doing it with the 12-month rule. > > It (the 12-month rule) only lasts until July 1, 2006, so they can > evaluate the effect on California vehicle/vessel/aircraft dealers. > > From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 08:16:48 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > > Well, lets put it in a much simpler package........ If "several" > people are carrying guns, then, technically, the posssibility exists > that those "several" people could shoot several other people if there > was any form of drunken altercation (and don't try and tell me it > couldn't happen). On the other hand, if no-one is carrying a gun then > nobody can shoot anybody..... Nuf sed. Then ban the booze, not the guns. And no one was carrying a gun on the four 9/11 aircraft. From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 06:20:38 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:con1im$6qs$2@news.spamcop.net... > Well, lets put it in a much simpler package........ If "several" people are > carrying guns, then, technically, the posssibility exists that those > "several" people could shoot several other people if there was any form of > drunken altercation (and don't try and tell me it couldn't happen). On the > other hand, if no-one is carrying a gun then nobody can shoot anybody..... Bombing, stabbing, beating, running-over. I guess you missed the news of the last couple of dozen decades. If somebody wants to kill, a gun is just a convenience. > Nuf sed. Hmmm. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 09:23:19 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:25:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Yeah, we're safer now.... Message-ID: .....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a program designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to track and intercept illegal purchases of guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of priorities and a lean budget". Great. Fscking great. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 09:26:34 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Mercury bites again.... Message-ID: http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/mercury.html Retrograde till Dec 20th, so hold on to your hats...... From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 06:41:31 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? References: Message-ID: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete-E113C8.07431501122004@news.cesmail.net... > > ... > > according to interviews with incarcerated criminals a major fear is that > > of encountering an armed citizen. Not entirely accurate by context (at least with high-risk criminals; robberies, kidnapping, etc.). The fear is that they will have to kill out of necessity , turning the risk of a couple of years (in prison) into a couple of dozen (or the DP depending on where they are). It's not particularly fear for their own safety (of being shot), but rather that they will have to shoot if someone (a clerk) pulls out some kind of weapon. Perhaps the lesser criminals (muggers, etc.) might fear being shot (at) - as they are not involved in such risk-heavy crimes. Not to disagree with the statement. It's still better that a person can defend their own person/property. The point is correct. :) From joe at I.hate.spam.com Thu Dec 2 10:00:27 2004 From: joe at I.hate.spam.com (Joe Blow) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:05:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:con1im$6qs$2@news.spamcop.net... > > > Well, lets put it in a much simpler package........ If "several" people > are > carrying guns, then, technically, the posssibility exists that those > "several" people could shoot several other people if there was any form of > drunken altercation (and don't try and tell me it couldn't happen). On the > other hand, if no-one is carrying a gun then nobody can shoot anybody..... > Nuf sed. > Well, the "possibility" also exists that people would refrain from getting drunk on planes having the knowledge that their participation in any altercation on a plane could be incorrectly interpreted as an attempt to hijack it. I supect the number of drunken altercations has declined anyway since 9/11, since the same possibility exists that an air marshall, if one were present, could make the same mistake. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason terrorists would try to hijack a plane is that they know for certain that the passengers are unarmed and therefore would likely be compliant? The same possibility already exists in a variety of context beyond air travel. Where it is legal to do so, there are already people carrying weapons into various settings where it is just as or more likely that some drunken idiot might started something....and I haven't seen any evidence that shootings have increased. If anything, crime is lower in states where it is legal to carry concealed firearms. It would appear that you are enamored with the idea of gov't neanderthals feeling up your grandmother and monitoring your travel habits and financial transactions. From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 07:07:16 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:10:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:con1di$6pj$1@news.spamcop.net... > Don't stick up for me, please. As you wish :) I will say that I think you are waaaaayyy too tolerant of the activism that goes around in here. For a wander down memory lane, scroll way back through all the posts to the remaining articles which have not reached their TTL (in my reader, that's Sept.8 - before the election). Have a peek at all of the subjects and the names who posted them. I'm not talking about a few posts... but many threads.. all from 'the usual suspects'. Attacking religion and the religious. Insulting those of opposing opinion. Attempting to silence (trollify) anyone who didn't agree. Endlessly blaming the people of opposing opinions for their problems. Attacking everything conservative. Attacking everything 'Bush'. Rallying support for everything that was anti-something. The volume of the activist/anti-whatever posts is staggering when compared to the number of posts which were either - not political - or opposition supported (you remember the opposition... those would be the majority - undetectable in this newsgroup). Did I mention insulting you and attempting to 'trollify'/silence you (re-read previously mentioned posts)? The problems in this group isn't a large majority of people... it's a small minority of egg throwers - the same ones with only a few variants. :) From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 07:16:01 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Idle Thoughts of a Retired Person whose Mind Wanders... References: <316lrpF37j6gcU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:con4n6$8nk$1@news.spamcop.net... *Applause* ... those are great. And they're clean to boot! My dad would have liked those. :) From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 07:18:50 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:20:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:con8gn$au3$1@news.spamcop.net... > .....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress > completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a program > designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related crimes. They also > pulled funding for a program to track and intercept illegal purchases of > guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of priorities and a lean budget". > Great. Fscking great. For a moment it annoys me when you bitch about everything the media is stupid enough to inform you of... Then I realize how much I enjoy hearing you cry like that. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:24:40 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on high-ticket > items (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American yacht-construction > industry just about disappeared. Yacht buyers, instead of paying the > confiscatory tax, simply bought their yachts in the Bahamas or > elsewhere. > > American shipyards became ghost towns. For once you have your facts straight -- that tax nearly ruined almost every industry along the Chesapeake Bay. None of the local boat manufacturers came back after the tax was repealed -- and it wasn't applied just to "yachts" -- plenty of reasonably average powerboats were covered by that law too. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:25:56 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > > You are terribly misinformed. The tax you refer to applied *only* to > *automobiles* costing more than $30k. I do not believe there has been > a federal tax on yachts in decades. > Sorry to break the news to you Timbo, but JM is right in this case (see my response to his post). From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 2 15:29:18 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons References: Message-ID: "Warre" wrote in message news:colkij$aoi$1@news.spamcop.net... > Look! It's a post that isn't about politics! > > http://media.hugi.is/hahradi/fyndnar/dungeons_n_dragons.wmv > > Sorry about the WMV-format by the way, couldn't find anything better... Hmmm.... Bring back the comfy chair.......... ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:35:03 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > > > > > Define "responsible" in this context. > > > > Responsible meaning that they do *not* consume _normal_ amounts of > > calories from healthy foods. > > When I referred to the studies showing that the obese do not > consume significantly more calories than the non-obese, I wasn't > making that up. > > You're blaming the victim. Do you think that cancer patients are > responsible for their disease? > > Your prejudice against the obese is obvious. You're not willing to > entertain any explanation that contradicts your thinking. Baloney. What are the stats, something like 30-40% of Americans are overweight or obese? You're trying to convince me that the majority of 50 million people have a obesity disease? I don't buy it. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 2 15:39:41 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:coln2t$cqe$1@news.spamcop.net... > D.F. Manno wrote: >>>> >> Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning >> solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick >> and choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their >> property. > Umm... I think you'll find the Salvation Army is a "registered charity" - that's not the same as being a "religion". From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 2 15:41:50 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:45:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Motorcycle Accident References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns95B2CA8D3756FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> think titanium...... > > Isn't that some kind of computer slogan, or something? No, it's a special lining on wetsuits. ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 2 15:45:00 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:50:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:comvar$5jg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message >> news:cokbq0$fkg$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> Porpoise wrote: > >> >> <> >> >>> Because a card small enough to fit in an average wallet wouldn't have >>> much room for visas. >> >> Ummmm.... But, doesn't a smart card have a data holding capability? >> Electronic Visas????? > > > That's the obvious solution. But how long will it take the whole world to > implement such a scheme? (I guess that, for the time being, good old > paper passports would be used to travel to countries that haven't.) > > If we're going to have a national ID card, why pick one random > specific-purpose document for it to double as? We could have one card for > everything: > > - all-purpose photo ID/proof of age > - National Insurance card > - driving licence > - passport > - student ID/NUS card > - work ID card > - membership card for all your clubs > - cashpoint/credit/debit card for all your accounts with all your > providers > - shop discount/reward card > - office key > - house key > - car key > .... > > The trouble is that it would make it more essential than ever that the > card isn't going to be lost, stolen or damaged beyond usability. > Ahhh... well..... you seeeee......... that's where the brain implants come in.......... he he ha hahe ha ha he he.......... they're coming to take me away ha ha he he ............. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:47:09 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:50:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > Are you aware that the Salvation Army is a religion? The firms banning > solicitors may not want to be put in the position of having to pick > and choose which churches will be allowed to raise funds on their > property. > I was *almost* about to reply to this with "WTF are you talking about?!?" before I realized who had posted it and decided to gargle first....thank $diety, I would have made a foolish mistake! I never knew this......and the SA just got their last donation from me, that's for sure! Who else can I donate used clothing and goods to? I'm not aware of any other local charity that takes that kind of stuff. http://www.gaypeopleschronicle.com/stories/01dec21.htm Woman kicked out for being lesbian The Salvation Army recently sent out Christmas fundraising letters with a card attached reading, "Equality. We . . . want you, our cherished donor, to know that we are all about equality in the workplace. We employ qualified applicants, regardless of their race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or political views," the Washington Post reported. According to one woman who used to be a member of the "army against sin," however, the card presents a bald-faced lie. "They tried to destroy me, but it didn't work," Gennie Maze told Between the Lines, Detroit's LGBT newspaper. Six years ago, when her superior found out about her sexual orientation and her relationship with another woman at the Salvation Army, he became furious and told her that her partner was the devil. When Maze refused psychiatric counseling, she was given three days to leave the Salvation Army compound where she lived. "It's totally based on their articles of war, which is the war against sin, and we were soldiers fighting in that war," Maze said, clarifying the central purpose of the Salvation Army. "A lot of people don't realize this, but the Salvation Army is a religion and everything, all of their work, stems from the fact that they are a church." Her former superior, Major Ralph Bukiewicz, says that Maze violated the tenets of the group's beliefs, making her unfit to be in the ranks of the organization. However, according to Bukiewicz, outsiders hired by the charitable arm of the church are protected by non-discrimination policies which include sexual orientation but prohibit employees and clients from "recruiting others to any particular lifestyle." From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 15:48:05 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:50:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Another big problem is identity theft. In the US, it is a big problem > and costs millions of dollars a year. A lot of it centers around your > Social Security number, which by law only the Social Security > administration is allowed to use, but in actuality is used all over the > place by all sorts of government agencies and private companies. With > this number and a few other relatively easy to obtain details about > somebody, like their birthday, it is fairly easy to steal their identity > and open accounts in their name and generally create a huge mess for > them which takes years to clear up. And just imagine what havoc the NIDN system (as in the "Ordering a Pizza in the Year 2012" post a while back) could wreak. > I see this problem just getting > worse with a national identity card, especially if that card contains > some sort of chip that holds huge amounts of personal details about the > person. It sort of becomes one stop shopping for a would be thief. If the information is held on the card rather than on a central database, then just knowing the ID number wouldn't get you far. Except that there'd need to be a backup somewhere of the data held on the card - but where? And who'd have access to it? Any huge amounts of personal details held on the card would need to be encrypted. But just what is the limit of encryption keys that are both rememberable and practically impossible to crack? Could a system be developed whereby companies can get access to the information they need and nothing else? And is it possible to convince the public that other people's conception of "information they need" will agree with theirs? Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 11:06:42 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:10:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > I want to be cremated then mixed with a batch of Masengil (spl?)... . You want to be remembered as a douchebag!? ;-) From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 16:08:31 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:10:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm > > What fun! Let's all log on LOL I've downloaded and set it up on my Mac OS X box here, but.... - for some reason it failed to connect - don't know if this is a problem at their end or mine - has anyone found a way to determine how much CPU activity it takes up? I run CPU-intensive number crunching on my machine, and would like it if it didn't slow that down too much - the website has forgotten to provide any means of contacting them - the website seems to slow down or crash Mozilla some of the time Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 11:09:00 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:10:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > I would say that funerals are for the living and not the dead. Of course they are....but personally, I can't stand viewings, they sure as hell have never made *me* feel any better! Funeral services, if they have a bit of lightheartedness to them, are a different story. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 11:10:32 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:15:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Cell phone References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | But I could, if I owned one of those silly "emergency use only" > | cell phones they pitch on late night infomercials........IIRC, they > | only have one button, and that one dials 911. > > > All wireless phones in the USA can dial 911 even ones that are not > registered. This is by default. I know this, I give my old cell phones to my nieces and nephews of driving age for emergency use. From David1 at suescornerweb.com Thu Dec 2 11:21:19 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to BeObese and Healthy, Experts Say" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >>>>Define "responsible" in this context. >>> >>>Responsible meaning that they do *not* consume _normal_ amounts of >>>calories from healthy foods. >> >>When I referred to the studies showing that the obese do not >>consume significantly more calories than the non-obese, I wasn't >>making that up. >> >>You're blaming the victim. Do you think that cancer patients are >>responsible for their disease? >> >>Your prejudice against the obese is obvious. You're not willing to >>entertain any explanation that contradicts your thinking. > > > Baloney. What are the stats, something like 30-40% of Americans are > overweight or obese? You're trying to convince me that the majority of 50 > million people have a obesity disease? I don't buy it. > > I do, It's that darn See Food diet, It started a few hundred years ago, you C food & yyou at eat & it don't matter if you need or even want it if you see it you just have to eat it, yeah I can buy that line David 1 From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 11:29:40 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > .....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress > completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a program > designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related crimes. They also > pulled funding for a program to track and intercept illegal purchases of > guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of priorities and a lean budget". > Great. Fscking great. This can be explained by three letters: N-R-A. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From cnwykab02 at sneakemail.com Thu Dec 2 17:30:25 2004 From: cnwykab02 at sneakemail.com (Warre) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [C&C] Dungeons & Dragons In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > So, probably swiped from somewhere like here then: > http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/browsevideos.jhtml?s=reno911 Yep, that's the original source. See: http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/reno911/212_dungeons.html Just the same movie though, and it's still wmv... From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 11:35:00 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 11:35:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Who else can I > donate used clothing and goods to? I'm not aware of any other local charity > that takes that kind of stuff. Some suggestions: Goodwill, the local homeless shelter, the local battered women's shelter. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:27:13 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Dec 2 12:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: <41ADF5A4.DE1A2F70@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <41AF3451.8CF83972@spamcop.net> JerryMouse wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: [...] > > Just curious... > > > > Which charities and organizations should be allowed to "provide an > > opportunity to do the right thing", and which ones should still be > > prohibited from doing so? > > Good question - I don't know. > > First, I'd handle it on a case-by-case basis. Second, I, personally, would > try to check whether the funds obtained were being used for charitable > purposes (not admistration, prosletyzing, etc.). Even then, it would still > not be a black-and-white call. As long as you realize that, the instant you say "no" to some group, you're going to be sued by them. Or, at least, get a lot of bad press over it. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:36:40 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Dec 2 12:20:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: <41ADEF0F.B51E4AE@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <41AF3688.80E60411@spamcop.net> JerryMouse wrote: [...] > >> Fie on Target. > > > > Why? > > Because they are evil cowards. > > Instead of saying to the Society for the Protection of Star-Faced Moles, > "Sure, we let the Salvation Army accept donations on our property. And we > won't let you. Our property, our rules." "Sure, we let whites shop here, but not blacks. Our property, our rules." How far would that get anyone? You can't say "no soliciting", and then allow solicitors. By what basis can you kick someone off "your property"? How can you call the cops on one person for "soliciting" and not the person standing next to him? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 12:38:27 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 12:40:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > .....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and > > Congress completely removed all funding for "Project Safe > > Neighborhood", a program designed to crack down on gun trafficking > > and gun-related crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to > > track and intercept illegal purchases of guns by youths. All > > because "It's a matter of priorities and a lean budget". Great. > > Fscking great. > > This can be explained by three letters: N-R-A. Nope. The NRA was in FAVOR of the programs --- the article quoted an NRA official saying so (since when has the NRA argued criminals should have equal access to guns?). From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 09:50:09 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 12:55:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >>When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on high-ticket >>items (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American yacht-construction >>industry just about disappeared. Yacht buyers, instead of paying the >>confiscatory tax, simply bought their yachts in the Bahamas or >>elsewhere. >> >>American shipyards became ghost towns. > > For once you have your facts straight -- that tax nearly ruined almost every > industry along the Chesapeake Bay. None of the local boat manufacturers came > back after the tax was repealed -- and it wasn't applied just to "yachts" -- > plenty of reasonably average powerboats were covered by that law too. Mea culpa. I was wrong. The same law applied to yachts costing more than $100,000; aircraft costing more than $250,000; and jewelry and furs costing more than $10,000. How come Cessna is still in business? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:03:06 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Mea culpa. I was wrong. The same law applied to yachts costing more > than $100,000; aircraft costing more than $250,000; and jewelry and > furs costing more than $10,000. > I have a hard time calling a $100K powerboat a "yacht"......a "luxury cruiser" maybe, but to me a "yacht" needs a crew. It's real easy to get a cruiser to cost more than $100K when you start adding anemnities like electronics and whatnot. It's still only a 40' boat though. > How come Cessna is still in business? Dunno -- did new Cessnas cost more than $250K back then? Isn't a Cessna more like the Honda Civic of the aviation world? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:05:57 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:10:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > Who else can I > > donate used clothing and goods to? I'm not aware of any other local > > charity that takes that kind of stuff. > > Some suggestions: Goodwill, the local homeless shelter, the local > battered women's shelter. Hmm....I'll have to see if there's a Goodwill donation center around here.....I'd want a receipt for tax purposes, and one of those drop-box dumpsters wouldn't be too good for dropping off a barely used dress suit anyway...... From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Dec 2 10:09:37 2004 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:10:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > > Dunno -- did new Cessnas cost more than $250K back then? Isn't a Cessna more > like the Honda Civic of the aviation world? > > http://skyhawk.cessna.com/pricelist.chtml This is their most basic (and popular) model. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 13:01:58 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now Message-ID: http://www.jiwire.com/ Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now During the last week, a saga has played out in Philadelphia that is likely to be repeated all over the country, as more cities seek to reap the benefits of inexpensive public Wi-Fi access. Already, many smaller municipalities without good broadband alternatives have installed Wi-Fi clouds over their city centers. Philadelphia's much more ambitious $10 million initiative seeks to envelop the entire city with free or low-cost service by 2006. But that plan looked to be derailed by the passage of a telecommunications bill by the Pennsylvania legislature that essentially nixed public networks as unfair competition for local telcos. A public outcry over that proviso led to a compromise that gives local phone companies first right of refusal on supplying such services. And this week, Verizon came to an agreement with the City of Philadelphia that essentially gives up its right under the new law, leaving the way clear for Philly's plans. While the Philadelphia drama played out under wide public scrutiny, other states are likely to pass similar laws restricting municipal competition with communications suppliers, to the detriment of public users. While it's true that cities have an advantage in supplying such services, such as the ability to use their own light poles and other locations to install equipment, it's also true that phone companies have little incentive to supply low-cost or free access. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 13:11:53 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:coneij$eh9$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Frog Prince wrote: | > | > I want to be cremated then mixed with a batch of Masengil (spl?)... . | | You want to be remembered as a douchebag!? ;-) No just want to get back to where I started. (That and I didn't get enough while I was alive) From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 13:13:05 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" | How come Cessna is still in business? They build good airplanes? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:18:52 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > > > > > > > Dunno -- did new Cessnas cost more than $250K back then? Isn't a > > Cessna more like the Honda Civic of the aviation world? > > > > > > http://skyhawk.cessna.com/pricelist.chtml > > This is their most basic (and popular) model. And those are today's prices. Back then, they would have been even cheaper, so Cessnas definitely would have avoided the tax. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 13:19:19 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > > Who else can I | > > donate used clothing and goods to? I'm not aware of any other local | > > charity that takes that kind of stuff. | > | > Some suggestions: Goodwill, the local homeless shelter, the local | > battered women's shelter. | | Hmm....I'll have to see if there's a Goodwill donation center around | here.....I'd want a receipt for tax purposes, and one of those drop-box | dumpsters wouldn't be too good for dropping off a barely used dress suit | anyway...... Need to be careful about the drop boxes. Seems that there has been a charity in this area that is not licensed that is pulling 90%+ off the top and pretending to be like Goodwill. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 10:20:00 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:20:19 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all Message-ID: "A new national television commercial promoting the United Church of Christ says that 'Jesus didn't turn people away,' but two major networks have turned away the ad itself, saying it violates their policy of airing commercials on hot button topics -- such as tolerance toward gays and lesbians. "CBS and NBC rejected the 30-second ad, which depicts a pair of stern bouncers barring people of various ethnic types as well as a female -- perhaps lesbian -- couple from entering a fictitious church." http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/02/MNG80A523F1.DTL From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:22:04 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:coneij$eh9$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > | > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > > | > I want to be cremated then mixed with a batch of Masengil > | > (spl?)... . > | > | You want to be remembered as a douchebag!? ;-) > > No just want to get back to where I started. (That and I didn't get > enough while I was alive) But you could make a more lasting impression if your ashes were incorporated into some latex item.......but that would also give someone the chance at the last laugh.......you could end up in a buttplug! LOL. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 13:35:21 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:40:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Need to be careful about the drop boxes. Seems that there has been a > charity in this area that is not licensed that is pulling 90%+ off > the top and pretending to be like Goodwill. Well, like I said, almost everything I donate is perfectly good clothing, some of it pretty expensive stuff that I just don't fit into anymore (funny how suitpants and jackets shrink so much just from sitting unused in a closet, isn't it?), so I would not be throwing that kind of stuff into a dropbox. Crap....I just googled it and my "town" of 90,000 has nothing but one single Goodwill dropbox! The town snobs probably wouldn't allow a donation center to be built is my guess. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 13:36:35 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:40:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Finally getting a discount because you can't take it with you References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > I want to be cremated then mixed with a batch of Masengil | > | > (spl?)... . | > | | > | You want to be remembered as a douchebag!? ;-) | > | > No just want to get back to where I started. (That and I didn't get | > enough while I was alive) | | But you could make a more lasting impression if your ashes were incorporated | into some latex item.......but that would also give someone the chance at | the last laugh.......you could end up in a buttplug! LOL. That a threesum (sic) the hard way. Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > "A new national television commercial promoting the United Church of > Christ says that 'Jesus didn't turn people away,' but two major > networks have turned away the ad itself, saying it violates their > policy of airing commercials on hot button topics -- such as > tolerance toward gays and lesbians. > > "CBS and NBC rejected the 30-second ad, which depicts a pair of stern > bouncers barring people of various ethnic types as well as a female -- > perhaps lesbian -- couple from entering a fictitious church." > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/02/MNG80A523F1.DTL How much you wanna bet they aired those Ikea gay men shopping ads though? From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 10:46:20 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Dec 2 13:50:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Guns on planes. - was: any economists here? References: Message-ID: In article , "Whatever" wrote: > Not entirely accurate by context (at least with high-risk criminals; > robberies, kidnapping, etc.). The fear is that they will have to kill out of > necessity , turning the risk of a couple of years (in prison) into a couple > of dozen (or the DP depending on where they are). It's not particularly fear > for their own safety (of being shot), but rather that they will have to > shoot if someone (a clerk) pulls out some kind of weapon. Perhaps the lesser > criminals (muggers, etc.) might fear being shot (at) - as they are not > involved in such risk-heavy crimes. Interesting. I must admit that I've only seen varying statistics, mostly from informal interviews with incarcerated felons and a few "official" statistics from law enforcement officials. I must admit that the information I read did not indicate precisely what crime the interviewee was charged with. > Not to disagree with the statement. It's still better that a person can > defend their own person/property. The point is correct. I appreciate the clarification. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 11:03:03 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 14:05:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>...and why a national sales tax is a bad idea. > > While I am not enamored of the idea, and believe that in no way could > it replace income tax, I do think it would solve one problem. I think > that a small national sales tax would bring in revenue from sources that > do not normally contribute. Illegal aliens, foreign tourists, child > support deadbeats, and several other classes of people would end up > supplementing our federal coffers. If it could replace the other > regressive payroll taxes all the better, especially since the rich can > already avoid them by using off shore accounts and other vehicles. > Could you please elaborate on why this type of tax avoidance makes > the tax itself a bad idea? For the same reason you cite - that only the rich could avoid them. Why should Paris Hilton get special treatment? It would also require yet another government bureacracy to administer an across-the-board national sales tax. There are already ways that child support deadbeats are tracked and punished. This would do nothing to change their lack of involvement. Do you think it's a good idea to charge sales tax on basic food staples that might be paid for with, say, aid to dependent children funds? Many states do not charge sales tax on such items for just that reason - it carves out more of the stipend that has been bestowed by the government. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 14:09:57 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 14:10:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Why should Paris Hilton get special treatment? Because she looks good on a night-vision cam? ;-) From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 13:54:54 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 14:55:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: >> When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on >> high-ticket items (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American >> yacht-construction industry just about disappeared. Yacht buyers, >> instead of paying the confiscatory tax, simply bought their yachts >> in the Bahamas or elsewhere. American shipyards became ghost towns. >> >> The law was eventually repealed, but not until the damage was done. > > You are terribly misinformed. The tax you refer to applied *only* to > *automobiles* costing more than $30k. I do not believe there has been > a federal tax on yachts in decades. > > Perhaps you should read something other than NewsMax. I WAS mistaken. I attributed the tax to Clinton - the tax was before his time (1991). But you are more wrong (understandable) than I was. The "luxury" tax applied to (some): cars, yachts, furs, jewelry, and private airplanes. In the first year of the tax, yacht dealers reported an almost 80% drop in sales (90% in Florida), and yacht building yards reported layoffs of 25,000 workers. Reprise of WSJ editorial: http://www.ncpa.org/iss/tax/2003/pd010603b.html An economic analysis of the "luxury" tax concerning elasticity of demand: http://www.commercialdiplomacy.org/manuals/manual_economic3.htm And what's this "... you should read something other than NewsMax." business? > >> Changes in tax policy DO result in changes in taxpayer actions. This >> simple fact is somehow beyond the understanding of most politicians. > > There are legitimate reasons to impose a luxury tax, particularly > during wartime to raise revenue as well as discourage the use of > essential resources for production of items not related to the > national effort. > Last I checked, we're in the middle of a war. The only plausible reason to impose such a tax is to raise revenue. The tax we're talking about was expected to rise $1.5 billion its first year. It raised 2% of that. The last vestiges of the Democrats "Luxury Tax" finally disappeared Jan 1st, 2003. From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 13:57:57 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:00:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > Either you contribute to the group's purpose (which is to mostly > have fun, but sometimes people have fun discussing serious > subjects) or you don't. You either help drain the swamp or you > don't. When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's sometimes difficult to remember your goal was to drain the swamp. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 12:19:50 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>There are already ways that child support deadbeats are tracked and >>punished. This would do nothing to change their lack of involvement. > > Those that are really committed to not paying, get paid under the > table, and aren't tracked or punished. Those who choose to pay cash to workers also face serious risks - including severe fines for skirting SSA payments. This is a problem for the states to solve, not the feds. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 15:25:37 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:30:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > I WAS mistaken. I attributed the tax to Clinton - the tax was before > his time (1991). > The last vestiges of the Democrats "Luxury Tax" finally disappeared > Jan 1st, 2003. The "Democrats" luxury tax? That's funny, I seem to remember a Republican administration being in place in 1991. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 15:26:58 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:30:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > David Dean wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > >>There are already ways that child support deadbeats are tracked and > >>punished. This would do nothing to change their lack of involvement. > > > > Those that are really committed to not paying, get paid under the > > table, and aren't tracked or punished. > > Those who choose to pay cash to workers also face serious risks - > including severe fines for skirting SSA payments. > Doesn't seem to scare off those that hire millions of seasonal illegal immigrant migrant farm workers....... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 15:28:58 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:30:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > How much you wanna bet they aired those Ikea gay men shopping ads > > though? > > If you're referring to the ad that I think you are, you see them > together for like 3 seconds, and nowhere does it indicate that they > are gay, except that they are shown together. Two men shopping for furniture together (especially in IKEA) = a gay couple. A blind man could see it, really......beside the fact, IKEA even admitted that ad was directed towards gays! From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Thu Dec 2 20:14:35 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:40:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:conrg2$oh8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: > > "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message > >> > >>The trouble is that it would make it more essential than ever that the > >>card isn't going to be lost, stolen or damaged beyond usability. > > > > Ahhh... well..... you seeeee......... that's where the brain implants come > > in.......... he he ha hahe ha ha he he.......... > > they're coming to take me away ha ha he he ............. > > You haven't been chipped yet, getting a chip implanted in your arm? > There are a few companies, related to credit card companies I believe, > running around trying to make that palatable. They are selling it as a > credit card you can't misplace. 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelations From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Thu Dec 2 20:35:33 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:40:18 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "magus kent" wrote in message news:Xns95B3545173490maguskent@216.154.195.61... > Stewart Gordon wrote in > news:cokg1a$i41$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > My thought on the whole issue is that we definitely need a universal > > ID scheme. So far, the nearest to being universally _accepted_ are > > driving licences and passports. But not everyone drives or is in a > > position to start driving, be it for physical, chronological, > > financial or personal reasons. And passports are rather bulky to > > carry around while out on the town. > > > >SNIP > Here are my thoughts on the concept of I.D.s and the reasons for them: > 1. Identify John Q. Public as to age, address, and whatever else the > issuing government wants on them. This is a convenience to the owner, > merchants, law enforcement, etc.. 2. Primary impetus seems to be to > some how 'impair' the freedom of 'terrorists' so they can be > tracked/kept out of your country/whatever. Now number one has been > around for years...passports, drivers licenses, student I.D.s, various > state issued cards. Depending on your location, a different issuing > agency's card (as in a different state or country) may not be accepted. > Number two. We are dealing with people with an organization that should > be able to generate I.D.s that would be adequate for their needs. Makes > the concept of any I.D for this purpose as ridiculous. If 'they' really > want something that will be permanent and hard/impossible to fake, how > about tatoos? A country code followed by a number. Want to change your > number then you need a plastic surgeon and time. I'm sure everyone will > remember this has been done in the past, when, by whom, and to whom. I > find the idea repellant. The entire idea scares me. Road blocks where > ever the authorities feel like it plus the expected sites such as > trains, air terminals, ferry terminals, border crossings between > countries, border crossings between states/provinces/shires/whatever. > You have too many parking tickets, you get checked, you get arrested. > Perhaps sarcastic but I do not trust anyone who thinks this way. With > databases and computers in our cars I can think of all sorts of things > that can be/could be done to us all in the names of "security" and "law > and order"...m > To take one of your points > Number two. We are dealing with people with an organization that should > be able to generate I.D.s that would be adequate for their needs. Makes > the concept of any I.D for this purpose as ridiculous. How would one go about getting a high tech ID card to begin with, how do you start the system off? You have to apply for one and bring proof of who you are to get it. What is the proof of who you are that you bring to get it? A birth certificate? Passport? National Insurance number and card? Driving license? Library card? The security of a high tech card is only as good as the primary proof which by it's nature is low tech. However, once you have obtained this high tech card using low tech proof then as long as you have it everyone is reassured that you are not a terrorist as you calmly plant a bomb in the Tower Of London or release nerve gas in the tube system. The lowly beggar in the street however is looked upon with suspicion. Of course with biometric data encoded into the card it would be more complicated to steel and use, fingerprint ID, Iris ID can help stop fraud especially if the ID card is connected with your Credit Card. However, how long would it be before the first crimes of people being mugged, their finger chopped off or their eye plucked out to go with the stolen ID/credit card? Rob From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 12:39:00 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:40:21 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > indigo wrote: > >>How much you wanna bet they aired those Ikea gay men shopping ads though? > > If you're referring to the ad that I think you are, you see them > together for like 3 seconds, and nowhere does it indicate that they are > gay, except that they are shown together. Let's talk about programming then. A gay couple won CBS's The Amazing Race. NBC spawned "Will & Grace." Then there's daytime soaps. Beginning in 1988, "The Young and the Restless" (CBS) and "Another World" (NBC) began including story lines that included gay people. In 1989, "As the World Turns" (CBS) followed suit. The reason these shows have gay people in them is to appeal to the gay population. Seems they have no problem doing that in order to attract advertisers. I smell hypocrisy. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 12:45:10 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: >>indigo wrote: >> >>>How much you wanna bet they aired those Ikea gay men shopping ads >>>though? >> >> If you're referring to the ad that I think you are, you see them >>together for like 3 seconds, and nowhere does it indicate that they >>are gay, except that they are shown together. > > Two men shopping for furniture together (especially in IKEA) = a gay > couple. A blind man could see it, really......beside the fact, IKEA even > admitted that ad was directed towards gays! There's a T-Mobile cell phone commercial running that features only couples. The shortest snippet shows a guy standing at the bathroom mirror shaving, and another man saying (as all the other couples do, figuring out who they're paying to talk to on their cell phones), "You!" Remember the Volkswagen commercial with the two men driving around San Francisco and picking up a red couch from the curb, driving around with it on the top of their car, then deciding they didn't want it and leaving it on another curb? According to Volkswagen that was a targeted ad towards gays (and IIRC the music was Trio's "Da Da Da"). There are many of these that probably go right over the heads of most of the people in red states ;) From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 12:49:15 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 15:55:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: >>David Dean wrote: >>>Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>>There are already ways that child support deadbeats are tracked and >>>>punished. This would do nothing to change their lack of involvement. >>> >>> Those that are really committed to not paying, get paid under the >>>table, and aren't tracked or punished. >> >>Those who choose to pay cash to workers also face serious risks - >>including severe fines for skirting SSA payments. > > Doesn't seem to scare off those that hire millions of seasonal illegal > immigrant migrant farm workers....... IIRC much of that has been made legal now. Funny what corporate farms can accomplish. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 16:04:47 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: Rob wrote: > > > > You haven't been chipped yet, getting a chip implanted in your arm? > > There are a few companies, related to credit card companies I > > believe, running around trying to make that palatable. They are > > selling it as a credit card you can't misplace. > > 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free > and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their > foreheads: Actually, I think there is a legitimate product like that out there, IIRC for people with severe medical issues (modern version of the medical bracelet), and possibly for alzheimers patients who tend to wander off and get lost. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Dec 2 16:04:09 2004 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (Deborah) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mercury bites again.... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:con8po$b16$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/mercury.html > > Retrograde till Dec 20th, so hold on to your hats...... > > HAH! So that explains why I've been feeling so - well - sort of like I'm spinning backward lately...after all, I _am_ a Gemini, and I work with computers, two ;-) -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Dec 2 16:06:44 2004 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (Deborah) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:10:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:conuh5$qne$1@news.spamcop.net... > David Dean wrote: > > indigo wrote: > > > >>How much you wanna bet they aired those Ikea gay men shopping ads though? > > > > If you're referring to the ad that I think you are, you see them > > together for like 3 seconds, and nowhere does it indicate that they are > > gay, except that they are shown together. > > Let's talk about programming then. A gay couple won CBS's The Amazing > Race. NBC spawned "Will & Grace." > > Then there's daytime soaps. Beginning in 1988, "The Young and the > Restless" (CBS) and "Another World" (NBC) began including story lines > that included gay people. In 1989, "As the World Turns" (CBS) followed suit. > > The reason these shows have gay people in them is to appeal to the gay > population. Seems they have no problem doing that in order to attract > advertisers. I smell hypocrisy. > And...since when is that surprising when it comes to network TV? -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 16:13:15 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:15:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mercury bites again.... References: Message-ID: "Deborah" wrote in message news:coo02p$s5a$1@news.spamcop.net... > HAH! So that explains why I've been feeling so - well - sort of like I'm > spinning backward lately...after all, I _am_ a Gemini, and I work with > computers, two ;-) I ordered a bunch of stuff by mail and all but one thing has been royally messed up with delays, getting lost, getting put on the wrong truck, etc., I finally went and looked at the horroscope and was not surprised to see Mercury at it again. I won't be ordering anything by mail for Christmas, for sure, I'll probably either never see it, or have a stroke waiting for it to show on time. From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 16:28:09 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:50:27 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cons44$ov4$1@news.spamcop.net... | Miss Betsy wrote: | > Either you contribute to the group's purpose (which is to mostly | > have fun, but sometimes people have fun discussing serious | > subjects) or you don't. You either help drain the swamp or you | > don't. | | When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's sometimes difficult to | remember your goal was to drain the swamp. Are you recommending we go an a 'gator (aka Troll) hunt? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 16:50:41 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Dec 2 16:55:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: Deborah wrote: > > And...since when is that surprising when it comes to network TV? Do someone get a glimpse of that driveby poster? Who was it? ;-) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 17:32:33 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 17:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > > > When I referred to the studies showing that the obese do not > > consume significantly more calories than the non-obese, I wasn't > > making that up. > > > > You're blaming the victim. Do you think that cancer patients are > > responsible for their disease? > > > > Your prejudice against the obese is obvious. You're not willing to > > entertain any explanation that contradicts your thinking. > > Baloney. What are the stats, something like 30-40% of Americans are > overweight or obese? You're trying to convince me that the majority of 50 > million people have a obesity disease? That's exactly what I'm saying. > I don't buy it. Of course you don't. You're proving my last point above. You want to believe that the obese are obese because of some moral failing on their part. You don't want to listen to any other explanation. Let me guess--you've never had a weight problem in your life, right? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 14:35:31 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 17:40:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:coo2du$tt2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Are you recommending we go an a 'gator (aka Troll) hunt? By your rules... you'd have nothing to hunt with. :) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 17:53:05 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 17:55:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah = Operation Distract From Fixed Election. References: Message-ID: In article , Tim McGraw wrote: > Good analysis that answers Dom's question of a few weeks ago, why did > Nader demand a recount in New Hampshire? > > http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm I hope this guy is reading the situation right. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 18:00:38 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:05:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > http://www.jiwire.com/ > > Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now > > During the last week, a saga has played out in Philadelphia that is likely > to be repeated all over the country, as more cities seek to reap the > benefits of inexpensive public Wi-Fi access. Already, many smaller > municipalities without good broadband alternatives have installed Wi-Fi > clouds over their city centers. Philadelphia's much more ambitious $10 > million initiative seeks to envelop the entire city with free or low-cost > service by 2006. > > But that plan looked to be derailed by the passage of a telecommunications > bill by the Pennsylvania legislature that essentially nixed public networks > as unfair competition for local telcos. A public outcry over that proviso > led to a compromise that gives local phone companies first right of refusal > on supplying such services. And this week, Verizon came to an agreement with > the City of Philadelphia that essentially gives up its right under the new > law, leaving the way clear for Philly's plans. So I live in Philadelphia. If this Wi-Fi plan goes through, does that mean that by installing the appropriate hardware on my Mac I can stop paying my ISP every month? What would be the appropriate hardware? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 18:03:21 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:05:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Can I use inkjet paper in a laser printer? Message-ID: My old inkjet printer died recently, and someone was kind enough to give me a used laser printer (Apple LaserWriter IIf). I still have half a ream of Staples inkjet paper. Would I be damaging anything if I used that paper in the LaserWriter, or should I wait until I can buy some laser paper? I've Googled the question, but found contradictory information. Thanks for any help. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 18:17:10 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:15:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Of trolls, pokes and .social References: Message-ID: "Whatever" wrote in message news:conb37$cbj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:con1di$6pj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Don't stick up for me, please. > > As you wish :) > > I will say that I think you are waaaaayyy too tolerant of the activism that > goes around in here. That's your opinion. > Did I mention insulting you and attempting to 'trollify'/silence you > (re-read previously mentioned posts)? Sometimes nobody answers my posts, but I don't think that many people have killfied me. And while sometimes posts get 'blunt', I have never felt insulted. The problems in this group isn't a > large majority of people... it's a small minority of egg throwers - the same > ones with only a few variants. As the research in the OP notes those who don't belong (by not accepting the standards of the group) get shunned. Standards can change. The main spamcop group is whole lot less 'blunt' than when I first started reading it because more and more of the participants were not used to expressing themselves that way. I wouldn't say it is less helpful though. People have a right to express opinions; and people also have a right to point out that those opinions are based on emotion, faulty logic, or inadequate facts. But neither one has any obligation to listen to the other. Generally if one doesn't find opinions interesting or entertaining (there are a lot of puns, etc), or doesn't know how to speak the language, then one goes somewhere else. If one has something to say, then there is no point in paying attention to personal attacks. And there is little point to countering invective with invective except as an intellectual exercise. Miss Betsy From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 18:14:58 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:15:15 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > While I am not enamored of the idea, and believe that in no way could > it replace income tax, I do think it would solve one problem. I think > that a small national sales tax would bring in revenue from sources that > do not normally contribute. Illegal aliens, foreign tourists, child > support deadbeats, and several other classes of people would end up > supplementing our federal coffers. If it could replace the other > regressive payroll taxes all the better, especially since the rich can > already avoid them by using off shore accounts and other vehicles. The problem with a national sales tax is that the rate would have to be sky-high if it is it to replace the income tax. The group Citizens for Tax Justice estimates that the rate would have to be 56 percent to raise the same amount of revenue that the current tax system does (and that's without any exempt items). Since the middle and lower classes spend all or almost all of their income, a national sales tax would be an enormous tax increase on them. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From johnl at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 23:27:53 2004 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I use inkjet paper in a laser printer? References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in news:dfm2a3l0t2- 66F249.18032102122004@news.cesmail.net: > My old inkjet printer died recently, and someone was kind enough to give > me a used laser printer (Apple LaserWriter IIf). I still have half a > ream of Staples inkjet paper. Would I be damaging anything if I used > that paper in the LaserWriter, or should I wait until I can buy some > laser paper? > > I've Googled the question, but found contradictory information. > > Thanks for any help. I've got one of each, use the same paper for both and never had a problem in over 3 years. Not to say it's the "right thing", but it hasn't caused me any problems at all. From joe at I.hate.spam.com Thu Dec 2 18:31:50 2004 From: joe at I.hate.spam.com (Joe Blow) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I use inkjet paper in a laser printer? References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-66F249.18032102122004@news.cesmail.net... > My old inkjet printer died recently, and someone was kind enough to give > me a used laser printer (Apple LaserWriter IIf). I still have half a > ream of Staples inkjet paper. Would I be damaging anything if I used > that paper in the LaserWriter, or should I wait until I can buy some > laser paper? > > I've Googled the question, but found contradictory information. > > Thanks for any help. > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream > will never die." The quality of the print job may suffer a little, but no damage to the printer. InkJet paper tends to bleed a little. From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 15:51:39 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:55:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: In article , "D.F. Manno" wrote: > Of course you don't. You're proving my last point above. You want to > believe that the obese are obese because of some moral failing on > their part. You don't want to listen to any other explanation. I've personally known a few people who have been quite overweight, at least according to medical definitions. This may or may not apply to anyone other than the friends I've directly observed. YMMV. While my friends are not gorging themselves on pizza, McDonalds, Cheetos, or other traditionally-defined "bad" foods nor do they consume more food in one sitting, they do eat lots of "empty" calories and in more-but-smaller portions throughout the day: lightly-fried chicken, soda, sugared drinks that claim to be "healthy", and other items not usually associated with being unhealthy. I eat socially at a local diner with some friends a few nights a week. I avoid the french fries, greasy burgers, and whatnot...though I do eat some of the rather delicious pancakes they make. My family has associated food with love, socializing, and bonding with people...and so do I. Most of the dates I've had with Courtney (and other girls in the past) have involved consuming food either homemade or at a restaraunt. > Let me guess--you've never had a weight problem in your life, right? I'm 20-30lbs overweight for my height and build, though that's been coming down recently. During the last six months in the army, I was ordered by the doctor to stop all exercising, stand no more than an hour at any given time, and walk no more than a quarter-mile without resting (due to the funky bone problem in my foot). That, combined with greasy army food, extreme boredom, etc. resulted in my gaining back some weight. I was in damned good shape in the army and I'm still in shape...round is a shape. While there may indeed be a genetic or medical condition causing people to be predisposed to be heavy, it is highly unlikely that such a condition could be as widespread as obesity is in the country. Clearly there's something more than a disease or genetic condition at work here. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 18:51:56 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 18:55:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: In article , Tim McGraw wrote: > "A new national television commercial promoting the United Church of > Christ says that 'Jesus didn't turn people away,' but two major networks > have turned away the ad itself, saying it violates their policy of > airing commercials on hot button topics -- such as tolerance toward gays > and lesbians. > > "CBS and NBC rejected the 30-second ad, which depicts a pair of stern > bouncers barring people of various ethnic types as well as a female -- > perhaps lesbian -- couple from entering a fictitious church." > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/02/MNG80A523F1.DTL The smelliest part of this is CBS' rationale for not airing the ad: > "Because this commercial > touches on the exclusion of gay couples and other minority groups by other > individuals and organizations," it reads, "and the fact that the Executive > Branch has recently proposed a Constitutional amendment to define marriage as > a union between a man and a woman, this spot is unacceptable for broadcast on > the [CBS and UPN] networks." WTF does the anti-gay-marriage amendment have to do with this ad? It's an abject kowtow to the administration. But then the media has been kissing Shrub's ass for years now. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 16:01:21 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Thu Dec 2 19:05:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Good Ol' Boys Message-ID: http://www.mdna.net/kooks.html From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Dec 2 16:18:18 2004 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Dec 2 19:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > > So I live in Philadelphia. If this Wi-Fi plan goes through, does that > mean that by installing the appropriate hardware on my Mac I can stop > paying my ISP every month? One can only dream. :) > > What would be the appropriate hardware? If it's the kind of Wi-Fi that we're thinking of, perhaps all you'd need is an 802.11b or g adapter. From SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# Thu Dec 2 16:52:13 2004 From: SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# (Spam N Scams Reporter) Date: Thu Dec 2 19:55:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Something's Fishy in Ohio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > In Ohio, a court just ruled there can't be a recount yet, because the > vote is not yet counted. It's three weeks after the election, and Ohio > still hasn't counted the votes and certified the election. Some 93,000 > overvotes and undervotes are not counted; 155,000 provisional ballots > are only now being counted. Absentee ballots cast in the two days prior > to the election haven't been counted. > > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1130-21.htm > PGP Announcements for December 2, 2004 Cobb recount effort calls for thousands of volunteers The Ohio recount campaign will be mobilizing thousands of volunteers in December to observe the hand recount in all 88 counties in Ohio. A recount without Cobb-Badnarik volunteer observers providing truly independent oversight of the process will not provide meaningful feedback on the problems or do much to improve public confidence in the integrity of the voting system. Over 1,000 volunteers have already signed up, but many more are still needed. Please join the effort by completing the volunteer form at http://www.votecobb.org. Thanks to the generosity of small donors coast-to-coast, the Green Party's Cobb/LaMarche campaign has already raised $250,000 toward the costs of the recount (as of 11-21). $113,600 has gone out the door already to pay the State of Ohio's recount filing fee. Now that the grassroots operation planning has been completed, they estimate that the recount will cost an additional $88,000 for training and staffing costs (approximately $1000 needed in each of the 88 Ohio counties). The earliest possible start date for the Ohio recount, based on the recent judicial rulings and Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell's timeline for certification of the state vote will be December 11, since by law other presidential candidates receive five days notice. Cobb and Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik have recently announced that they are also filing for recounts in New Mexico and Nevada. If you value democracy, and the attention that this recount will bring to the many ways that voting processes need to be improved in this country, then please make a donation today by going to http://www.votecobb.org. From whatever at goaway.pls Thu Dec 2 17:00:30 2004 From: whatever at goaway.pls (Whatever) Date: Thu Dec 2 20:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Good Ol' Boys References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cooacg$48h$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.mdna.net/kooks.html Java Script + SW-Flash :) From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 20:03:01 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Dec 2 20:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-40D492.17460601122004@news.cesmail.net... > > Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor > provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely > appear in court. Thank you again Dom, he who knows all...I notice none of the Brits ponied up the answer... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 2 20:15:30 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Dec 2 20:15:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:conusr$ra4$1@news.spamcop.net... > There are many of these that probably go right over the heads of most of > the people in red states ;) You are probably correct. They are good at 'shunning' - non-conventional people don't make it obvious in the red states. Miss Betsy From me at privacy.net Thu Dec 2 21:19:25 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Dec 2 21:20:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-B6992F.18003802122004@news.cesmail.net... | | | So I live in Philadelphia. If this Wi-Fi plan goes through, does that | mean that by installing the appropriate hardware on my Mac I can stop | paying my ISP every month? | | What would be the appropriate hardware? You need to make sure of what the current and future plans are first. The verify the coverage and what's required (distance) to make the connection. Only at that point can you start looking at hardware. From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 20:55:13 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:00:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Kerry Supporters Mentally Ill Message-ID: But help is on the way to combat P.E.S.T. (Post Election Stress Trauma). Mental health workers are conducting group therapy in Florida. "It's no joke. People with PEST were traumatized by the election. If you even mention religion, their faces turn blister-red as they shout at Bush." "The media outlets, especially Rush Limbaugh and his ilk on talk radio, scare our patients to death," said Gordon, facilitator for the meetings. "More than anything else, people with PEST tremble physically." Gordon said the Kerry supporters in therapy are predominantly Jewish and older than 50. Most are registered independents and all live in Palm Beach County. Story at: http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10324&category=Local%20News Since all of the afflicted live in Palm Beach County, I suspect it's something in the environment. From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 20:59:55 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:00:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > "A new national television commercial promoting the United Church of > Christ says that 'Jesus didn't turn people away,' but two major > networks have turned away the ad itself, saying it violates their > policy of airing commercials on hot button topics -- such as tolerance > toward > gays and lesbians. > > "CBS and NBC rejected the 30-second ad, which depicts a pair of stern > bouncers barring people of various ethnic types as well as a female -- > perhaps lesbian -- couple from entering a fictitious church." > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/02/MNG80A523F1.DTL UCC is Howard Dean's Church. Maybe that's the controversy? From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 21:02:06 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:05:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > .....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress > completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a > program designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related > crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to track and intercept > illegal purchases of guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of > priorities and a lean budget". Great. Fscking great. More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 21:14:03 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:15:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Idle Thoughts of a Retired Person whose Mind Wanders... References: <316lrpF37j6gcU1@individual.net> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to > feed it. * Is it in your hand or in the bush? > > I had amnesia once -- or twice. *And you're sure about that? > > I went to San Francisco. I found someone's heart. Now what? *Collect them and trade them with your friends. > > Protons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. *Yep. Protons are universal. > > All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. * First you have to buy a ticket. > > If the world was a logical place, men would ride horses sidesaddle. *And women would straddle the beast. > > What is a "free" gift? Aren't all gifts free? *Not if you have to sign up with Verizon to get it. > Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. *Nah, but it does cost twice as much. > > Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone. *And the bastards can't take it away from you. > > What if there were no hypothetical questions? *One shudders. > A flashlight is a case for holding dead batteries. *Where else would you put them? > > What was the greatest thing before sliced bread? Hmmmm. *According to Marie Antoinette: Cake. > Is there another word for synonym? *Yes. It's French. I don't know what it is. > > Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"? *Palm Beach. > > The speed of time is one-second per second. *According to Newton. Since proved wrong. > What's another word for thesaurus? * Book? > > Is Marx's tomb a communist plot? *No. Marx isn't buried in a tomb. > Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and I'll show you > a man who can't get his pants off. * Most are not interested in getting someone elses' pants off. > > Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken? * Many things taste like chicken. Including, amazingly, chicken. From nospam at bisusa.com Thu Dec 2 21:20:06 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: >> I WAS mistaken. I attributed the tax to Clinton - the tax was before >> his time (1991). > >> The last vestiges of the Democrats "Luxury Tax" finally disappeared >> Jan 1st, 2003. > > The "Democrats" luxury tax? That's funny, I seem to remember a > Republican administration being in place in 1991. Your memory is correct. The tax was a product of the Democrat-controlled Congress and part of the budget-deal with GHWB(41). Both Bush and the Democratically-controlled Congress suffered mightily for their rashness. The interesting part, for the Democrats, was their plan to soak the rich backfired. The rich simply bought their luxury yachts off-shore and the blue-collar, union, Democrat, workers who built the yachts got laid off. From David1 at suescornerweb.com Thu Dec 2 22:31:45 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Thu Dec 2 22:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > indigo wrote: > >>.....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress >>completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a >>program designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related >>crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to track and intercept >>illegal purchases of guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of >>priorities and a lean budget". Great. Fscking great. > > > More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. > > Well, I've never promoted or thought of myself as a Republican, But I do agree with those #s/formula David 1 From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Dec 2 23:39:33 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Dec 2 23:40:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] A union only Wal-Mart could love Message-ID: The Communist Party-dominated one in China. From Wednesday's Washington Post: > Wal-Mart Loves Unions (In China) > > By Harold Meyerson > > Wednesday, December 1, 2004; Page A25 > > Wal-Mart has finally found a union it can live with. > > Up to now America's largest employer has opposed every effort of its > employees to form a union. Wal-Mart doesn't recognize unions; it doesn't even > recognize "employees." The proper Wal-Mart name for its workers is > "associates," a term that connotes higher status and collegiality and that > actually means lower pay and workplace autocracy. For the privilege of > associating themselves with Wal-Mart, its employees are paid so little that > many can't afford the health insurance the company generously allows them to > buy. One study of health care in Las Vegas revealed that a plurality of that > city's employed Medicaid recipients worked at Wal-Mart. > > But that was the old Wal-Mart. Last week Wal-Mart announced that if its > associates wanted a union to represent them, that would be hunky-dory -- as > long as the union was affiliated with the All-China Federation of Trade > Unions, a body dominated by the Chinese Communist Party. The official > statement was simple and seemingly unambiguous: "Should associates request > formation of a union, Wal-Mart China would respect their wishes." > > Wal-Mart America has made no such declaration, of course. Why it deems its > 20,000 Chinese associates who work in its 40 Chinese stores worthy of > representation while its million U.S. employees can't be trusted with the > right to represent themselves is a good question. Whence the Sinophilia and > Americaphobia? > > We can, I think, dismiss suspicions of anti-anyone-but-Chinese racism as > such. The answer, then, must lie in Wal-Mart's preference for old-line > communist-dominated unions in authoritarian communist states over any other > kinds of unions anywhere else. America's unions, which Wal-Mart despises, > have a long history of anticommunism, and today's AFL-CIO is the staunchest > defender on the American political scene of democratic rights in communist > nations such as China. For that matter, unions affiliated with reformed or > post-communist parties outside of the few remaining communist states have > gotten nowhere with Wal-Mart either. Only in China, with its inimitable blend > of Dickensian capitalism and authoritarian communism, has Wal-Mart found a > union to its liking. > > And small wonder. Unions affiliated with the All-China Federation seldom push > for wage increases or safer machinery. Indeed, the locals are often headed by > someone from company management. Not that there isn't worker discontent in > China: Every week brings accounts of spontaneous strikes, and now and then an > occasional riot over such lifestyle impediments as unpaid wages. But the role > of the state-sanctioned unions isn't to channel the discontent into > achievable gains; it's to contain it to the employer's benefit. > > The leaders of genuine workers' movements in China don't end up running the > All-China Federation. They're to be found in prison, in exile or in hiding. > > Besides, truly democratic unions in China would run counter to the truly > undemocratic, one-party state. Allowing a democratic union movement to form > would threaten both Dickensian capitalism and authoritarian communism, and > diminish some of China's competitive advantage over other low-wage but not > authoritarian nations in Southeast Asia, Central America and elsewhere. Such > a development would be anathema to both the Politburo and Wal-Mart's board of > directors. It would introduce the concept of free choice and the prospects of > higher living standards not just to Wal-Mart's 20,000 Chinese store employees > but to the far larger number of Chinese workers laboring in poverty-wage > servitude to stitch clothing for the contractors, subcontractors and > sub-subcontractors whose products fill Wal-Mart's shelves. > > When a company such as Wal-Mart is so plainly comfortable with > authoritarianism abroad, it tells you something about that company's values > at home. Bentonville regards the prospect of employee free association and > organization within its stores with the same fear and loathing that Beijing > feels at the prospect of free elections in China. Anti-union American > employers can't imprison pro-union workers, but exile is a real possibility. > Troublemakers are free to go. According to Cornell labor relations professor > Kate Bronfenbrenner, at least 5 percent of workers involved in unionization > campaigns are fired, which is both quite illegal and quite routine: Companies > would rather pay the nominal fines than pay their workers higher wages and > lose the absolute control they hold over the work lives of their employees. > > The noblest of the Bush administration's goals, surely, is that of spreading > democracy. If it's serious about that task, though, there are places closer > to home than the Middle East that could use a little democracy-spreading, and > the American workplace is high on that list. Strengthening labor law would > make it harder for employers such as Wal-Mart to thwart their workers' desire > for an organized voice on the job. When America's largest employer feels more > affinity for the political legacy of Mao Zedong than for that of Franklin D. > Roosevelt, it's time to start democratizing our own back yard. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 20:52:34 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Thu Dec 2 23:55:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry Supporters Mentally Ill References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cookig$avo$1@news.spamcop.net... > Story at: > http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10324&category=Local%20News > > Since all of the afflicted live in Palm Beach County, I suspect it's > something in the environment. ROFL! You havta love how they slipped this item into the list of teary-eyed reasons for therapy... "Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq." WHAT a pathetic, sleazy attempt at reversal. Reminds me of the entire campaign - none of them could come up with solutions for anything. All they did was snivel about the way things were. Much like the uninformed youth they were trying to involve, they had no answers so they changed the subject or spun whatever the republicans said. It's as if they really believed that all of the 'undecideds' were complete morons who would believe anything - and would mindlessly assume the democrats thought of everything first. Now that they see marriage is an issue which cost them votes, they are putting on their priest and nun costumes and using marriage/family as an arguing point (just as I [and I'm sure most] knew they would), as if people will not see right through them in 2008. I can just hear Hilary(ous) now... "We want you, the people, to know how deeply concerned we democrats are - about the degradation of the American family by the Republican party. Republicans have ruined marriage in this country and have taken the institution to new lows." <-- that is exactly the kind of moronic, infant-targeting spew that you can expect from the democratic party in three years. :) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 00:20:26 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 00:25:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Let the (gay) book burning begin! Message-ID: >From Wednesday"s Birmingham News: > Gay book ban goal of state lawmaker > > KIM CHANDLER > News staff writer > > MONTGOMERY - An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to > ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university > libraries. > > A bill by Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Cottondale, would prohibit the use of public > funds for "the purchase of textbooks or library materials that recognize or > promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle." Allen said he filed the > bill to protect children from the "homosexual agenda." > > "Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen > said in a press conference Tuesday. > > Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college > textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from > library shelves and destroyed. > > "I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said. > > A spokesman for the Montgomery-based Southern Poverty Law Center called the > bill censorship. > > "It sounds like Nazi book burning to me," said SPLC spokesman Mark Potok. > > Allen pre-filed his bill in advance of the 2005 legislative session, which > begins Feb. 1. > > If the bill became law, public school textbooks could not present > homosexuality as a genetic trait and public libraries couldn't offer books > with gay or bisexual characters. > > When asked about Tennessee Williams' southern classic "Cat On A Hot Tin > Roof," Allen said the play probably couldn't be performed by university > theater groups. > > Allen said no state funds should be used to pay for materials that foster > homosexuality. He said that would include nonfiction books that suggest > homosexuality is acceptable and fiction novels with gay characters. While > that would ban books like "Heather has Two Mommies," it could also include > classic and popular novels with gay characters such as "The Color Purple," > "The Picture of Dorian Gray" and "Brideshead Revisted." > > The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or > actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen > said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely > would be banned, too. > > His bill also would prohibit a teacher from handing out materials or bringing > in a classroom speaker who suggested homosexuality was OK, he said. > > Allen has sponsored legislation to make a gay marriage ban part of the > Alabama Constitution, but it was not approved by the Legislature. > > Ken Baker, a board member of Equality Alabama, a gay rights organization, > said Allen was "attempting to become the George Wallace of homosexuality." > > Aside from the moral debates, the bill could be problematic for library > collections, said Jaunita Owes, director of the Montgomery City-County > Library, which is a few blocks from the Alabama Capitol. > > "Half the books in the library could end up being banned. It's all based on > how one interprets the material," Owes said. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 21:23:18 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 00:25:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-D130C5.23393302122004@news.cesmail.net... > AR> > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com That's pretty disgusting alright. I imagine that's why I see (on the news) townships in the states thwarting efforts to build Wal-Mart stores in their areas. It's really too bad that people don't take that much more seriously... and take a little responsibility by not buying the stuff in those stores. The world really needs a huge web site that lists the origins of all of the products sold in stores like Wal-Mart. A tough job that would be... but at least the people who walk out with their goods in hand wouldn't have the excuse "I didn't notice that the label said 'Made Proudly by Slaves' on it." Perhaps the next war should be against commercial-extremists, radical-shareholders and terrorist-CEOs. :) PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take out Amex first, please? Personal reasons. From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 21:41:15 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 00:45:19 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-1C8E1D.00202503122004@news.cesmail.net... > 400.xml> > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com I'm struggling to understand your position here. Am I to assume that you believe children should be taught that being homosexual is the 'norm' and that it's okay for the schoolboys to have sexual relations with the other schoolboys? I'm left wondering what kind of mind a guy has to have, in order to promote that - or oppose those who don't subscribe to it. Book burnings are great, when the content is deserving. Example of books which should not be in children's hands; How boys can have sex with the boys sitting next to them. How girls can fall in lust with their female gym teachers. Debby does Linda. 101 things you didn't know about your principals genitalia. Tips for great sex with your brother. Liberal sexuality and how you can marry your sheep (Offshore Edition). Complete Idiots Guide to Incest. ...and of course, the most popular liberal titles... How to place a Hitler moustache on a picture of your president. Facial piercing and you. How to disembowel your grandmother. Arson for dummies. :) From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 21:47:54 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 00:50:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take out Amex > first, please? Personal reasons. Why's that? I'm a fairly new Amex cardholder and am always curious when it comes to other people's discontent with a company. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 22:28:33 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 01:30:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > I'm struggling to understand your position here. Am I to assume that > you believe children should be taught that being homosexual is the > 'norm' and that it's okay for the schoolboys to have sexual relations > with the other schoolboys? I'm left wondering what kind of mind a guy > has to have, in order to promote that - or oppose those who don't > subscribe to it. Homosexuality was quite common in ancient Greek and Roman cultures. Indeed, it was quite socially acceptable and widely practiced. Throughout history homosexuality has come up as a recurring trait in numerous, diverse cultures worldwide. Even animals have been known to have homosexual sex. Indeed, many animals (and human cultures) have promiscuous sex, even when a couple has raised offspring together. Who am I (or indeed anyone) to oppose someone who lives in a manner differently than me? The argument about if homosexuality is a decision, a genetic trait, or a learned behavior is irrelevant to me. I am perfectly comfortable with people (individually, couples, or groups) having whatever kind of sex they want (even if I personally find it unappealing) as long as all parties involved are legal adults and are participating consensually. > Book burnings are great, when the content is deserving. Example of > books which should not be in children's hands; No, book burnings are *always* bad. Period. The only appropriate counter to free speech is *more* free speech. Rather than attempting to squelch the speech of those that one disagrees with, one should instead attempt to present their beliefs in a well-reasoned, well-thought-out, and effective medium as a counter to the disagreeable speech. As for children, I believe that should be up to the parents and the school board (which parents should interact with, but many don't). Community standards and all that. Once the child reaches age 18, they are an adult and no such restrictions should be in place. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 22:35:07 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 01:40:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-DBC4E8.21475402122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Why's that? I'm a fairly new Amex cardholder and am always curious when > it comes to other people's discontent with a company. They pulled an insurance scam by sending me my fathers credit card bills when he died. Knowing that I would rather [insert profanity and threats here] than give them a penny (and told them so on the phone), they sent it to collection - so now they get it back via insurance, and leave me to fight with the creditors on my own time and expense. Just another sick tactic from another tyrannical corporation. Credit companies are more foul than the pharmaceutical industry, in my opinion. Amex just happens to be at the top of the (my) sleaze list - but it's a long list. :) From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 22:39:13 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 01:40:17 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-41B71F.22283302122004@news.cesmail.net... > Who am I (or indeed anyone) to oppose someone who lives in a manner > differently than me? The parent of one (or more) of those kids they force-feed that too? :) From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 22:42:47 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 01:45:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > Credit companies are more foul than the pharmaceutical industry, in my > opinion. Amex just happens to be at the top of the (my) sleaze list - but > it's a long list. Agreed. Sorry about the loss of your father. Some days I think that MasterCard, Discover, and American Express exist only to show Visa that they don't run the world. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 22:50:45 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 01:55:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cop1f5$jcc$1@news.spamcop.net... > Credit companies are more foul than the pharmaceutical industry, in my > opinion. Amex just happens to be at the top of the (my) sleaze list - but > it's a long list. > > :) Ooops! Damn! Did I say that? ... I meant .. err... ARMENIAN EXPRESS... yah. So if any Amex execs are reading this, you can feel free to come on over to my place - as I would just LOVE to pay those bills. Just give me a knock on the door and I PROMISE, I'll give you everything you deserve. :) From pete at heypete.com Thu Dec 2 22:58:57 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 02:00:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > The parent of one (or more) of those kids they force-feed that too? Perhaps. It depends on how you define "force-feeding". Assume for a minute that I am married and have a child[1]. I raise my child in a certain manner that I believe to be appropriate[2]. Would not my raising of my child in a manner that I believe to be appropriate (but someone else might not agree with) be considered "force-feeding"? What differentiates between "raising a child" and "indoctrinating them"? What right does a third party have to tell me how to raise my child, as long as I am not committing acts that are narrowly-defined as abusive (i.e. sexual abuse, prolonged physical abuse, etc.)? Take, for example, something that I know a fair bit about and greatly enjoy -- firearms and shooting sports. I may raise my child to respect firearms, to enjoy their safe and responsible use, and so forth. Someone else may disagree with that, but do they have any sort of authority (either legal, moral, or ethical) to tell me how to raise my child? In short, "Who made them king?"[3] I am heterosexual and have several gay friends[4]. I may personally find their sexual habits somewhat distasteful and would not participate in similar behavior, but I have no authority to decree that their behavior is wrong, let alone ban literature related to that. A quote commonly attributed to Voltaire reads, "I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". A similar, and slightly more amusing version[5] is "ACLU Defends Neo-Nazi Group's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters". [1] I'm single and unmarried. [2] The exact details are irrelevant -- everyone raises their children somewhat differently. For example, some may spank their child when they do something wrong, others may merely scold them. Some may teach their children that certain animals (i.e. snakes) make excellent pets, while others may teach their children that certain animals are unsuitable for pets. So on, ad nauseum. [3] Cue the Monty Python King Arthur-and-Dennis conversation involving the distribution bladed weapons and forms of government. [4] I live in San Francisco. How could I *not* know gay people? [5] http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/onion_acludefends .html -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 23:07:31 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 02:10:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-24CE92.22424702122004@news.cesmail.net... > Some days I think that MasterCard, Discover, and American Express exist > only to show Visa that they don't run the world. That actually wasn't the part that annoys me. In a world where people are contacted by threatening collection agents, I tend to be the guy the agents get a restraining order against. The sick part is probably the part I should have mentioned. I actually offered them a deal (still in a bit of a trance after dad died)... I told them that if they issued me a card with the same limit as his debt and placed his debt on it, I would try to pay back my dads credit - at the time it felt like a good gesture to clean dads credit after he was gone. Given the opportunity to do something honest and with dignity - or do something sleazy and crooked... they chose sleazy and crooked. They demanded that the bills be paid immediately (and if you've seen my posts, you'll realize I'm not the type who responds well to that sort of thing - no matter who's dead), or they would put them to collection. No credit company will ever see another penny from me. :) PS: Damn .. I just thought of a really neato deal... pay your lawyers with your Amex card if you ever get in a fight with Amex. From haha at hyuck.woo Thu Dec 2 23:39:46 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 02:40:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-FF54B0.22585702122004@news.cesmail.net... > Perhaps. It depends on how you define "force-feeding". Force-feeding: as in forcing the children to read it, know it and pass tests on it in order to graduate. > Assume for a minute that I am married and have a child[1]. I raise my > child in a certain manner that I believe to be appropriate[2]. Would not > my raising of my child in a manner that I believe to be appropriate (but > someone else might not agree with) be considered "force-feeding"? What > differentiates between "raising a child" and "indoctrinating them"? That's your home. Not my realm or anyone else's. I have no rights to voice any opinions in your home. > What right does a third party have to tell me how to raise my child, as > long as I am not committing acts that are narrowly-defined as abusive > (i.e. sexual abuse, prolonged physical abuse, etc.)? None that I can think of off-hand. > Take, for example, something that I know a fair bit about and greatly > enjoy -- firearms and shooting sports. I may raise my child to respect > firearms, to enjoy their safe and responsible use, and so forth. Someone > else may disagree with that, but do they have any sort of authority > (either legal, moral, or ethical) to tell me how to raise my child? > > In short, "Who made them king?"[3] Nobody. > I am heterosexual and have several gay friends[4]. My longest friendship is with a gay friend (since I was 17). > I may personally find > their sexual habits somewhat distasteful and would not participate in > similar behavior, Nor would you teach your children to appreciate or participate in such behavior, I imagine. > but I have no authority to decree that their behavior > is wrong, let alone ban literature related to that. Of course you do. Your beliefs are your own. You can proudly state that your home is a gay-free zone for all I care. You can ban all their books from your home and you can argue to have them banned from the schools which are teaching your children what you yourself would not likely want them taught. There's a big difference between public places and private places... but if you pay for those public places and your family is involved in them, you have a right to express your distaste for the material which is being passed around. I'll fabricate an example, since I don't have one handy... If you believe it's okay for a stranger to teach homosexuality to your children, through the use of textbooks and pictures and sex education classes, than you have to accept that it's okay for the gay flasher to open his coat in front of your boys while they are out playing in the park, just as it is okay for the college bimbos to strip their bikinis off in public places for your childrens' entertainment. If THAT's okay.. then it's okay for your kids to... well I was going to go on with a long list of the things that are then socially acceptable, but you get the point by now. > A quote commonly attributed to Voltaire reads, "I may disagree with what > you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". A > similar, and slightly more amusing version[5] is "ACLU Defends Neo-Nazi > Group's Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters". Freedom of speech is an obvious right. The right to plug your ears or not attend gatherings where such speech is present is also obvious. Forcing children to learn activities which repulse their families (typically at the outrage of their families) is not a right and has nothing to do with freedom of speech. > [1] I'm single and unmarried. I'm not really getting the point of [1]. > [2] The exact details are irrelevant -- everyone raises their children > somewhat differently. For example, some may spank their child when they > do something wrong, others may merely scold them. Some may teach their > children that certain animals (i.e. snakes) make excellent pets, while > others may teach their children that certain animals are unsuitable for > pets. So on, ad nauseum. Perfectly acceptable in their own environment. > [3] Cue the Monty Python King Arthur-and-Dennis conversation involving > the distribution bladed weapons and forms of government. Not familiar with it. > [4] I live in San Francisco. How could I *not* know gay people? :) > [5] > http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/onion_acludefends.html I had no reason to disbelieve it when you mentioned it above. :) From pete at heypete.com Fri Dec 3 00:08:14 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 03:10:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete-FF54B0.22585702122004@news.cesmail.net... > > > Perhaps. It depends on how you define "force-feeding". > > Force-feeding: as in forcing the children to read it, know it and pass tests > on it in order to graduate. *shrugs* Students are forced to read, know, and pass tests on all number of subjects both controversial and not. How is this different? One could argue the same thing about schools teaching evolution, or not teaching about evolution. Many find this to be controversial, yet it is still taught. > I'll fabricate an example, since I don't have one handy... If you believe > it's okay for a stranger to teach homosexuality to your children, through > the use of textbooks and pictures and sex education classes, than you have > to accept that it's okay for the gay flasher to open his coat in front of > your boys while they are out playing in the park, just as it is okay for the > college bimbos to strip their bikinis off in public places for your > childrens' entertainment. If THAT's okay.. then it's okay for your kids > to... well I was going to go on with a long list of the things that are then > socially acceptable, but you get the point by now. -- evidently nude yoga in public is perfectly legal in San Francisco. There's a difference between describing sexual organs or acts in a scientific/medical/educational setting and doing so in a lewd or erotic manner. I believe it appropriate for sexual education to be taught to students, I think it's acceptable for an individual who chooses to be nude in publc to do so (as long as they do not do so in a sexual or harassing way, exactly the same as clothed people). Public stripping for entertainment is (IMHO) not appropriate, but stripping in public for personal reasons (i.e. yoga, sunbathing, etc.) is acceptable. I agree that lewd behavior should be outlawed in public, but I see no problem with public nudity as long as it is not done with sexual intent. Then again, maybe I'm just a bit looney...that's possible too. > > [1] I'm single and unmarried. > > I'm not really getting the point of [1]. It was merely for clarification, in case someone were to think "What the...Pete got married?" > > [3] Cue the Monty Python King Arthur-and-Dennis conversation involving > > the distribution bladed weapons and forms of government. > > Not familiar with it. http://www.livejournal.com/users/heypete/115081.html contains a transcript. http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds.html has some WAV files under "The Peasant Scene". > http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/onion_acludefends.html > > I had no reason to disbelieve it when you mentioned it above. Heh. I just find it to be rather entertaining. The Onion has some great stuff. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 01:00:12 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 04:05:15 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete-CAA601.00081403122004@news.cesmail.net... > *shrugs* Students are forced to read, know, and pass tests on all number > of subjects both controversial and not. How is this different? > > One could argue the same thing about schools teaching evolution, or not > teaching about evolution. Many find this to be controversial, yet it is > still taught. Perhaps one day when boys are taught that it's okay to reach over and 'evolve' the boy next to them, that will become a problem too. Premature evolution and all that. :) > DTL> -- evidently nude yoga in public is perfectly legal in San > Francisco. This isn't about nudity. It's about sexual activity. > There's a difference between describing sexual organs or acts in a > scientific/medical/educational setting and doing so in a lewd or erotic > manner. Agreed. > I believe it appropriate for sexual education to be taught to > students. That's where our difference of opinion is found... and across more than one boundary. > , I think it's acceptable for an individual who chooses to be > nude in publc to do so (as long as they do not do so in a sexual or > harassing way, exactly the same as clothed people). Agreed. > Public stripping for > entertainment is (IMHO) not appropriate, Disagree... unless you are estimating that strip joints are private. > but stripping in public for > personal reasons (i.e. yoga, sunbathing, etc.) is acceptable. Hmmm. If you hadn't used the exact term "personal reasons" I would likely have agreed. 'Personal reasons' span a variety that can get pretty lewd and disgusting (not something acceptable for young children to see). > I agree that lewd behavior should be outlawed in public, You're making it tough to respond. You're kind of walking fine lines with the terms you use. I have to disagree with that. If a couple (or whatever) wants to screw in the bushes... I don't care... as long as I'm not paying for them to do it or advertise it - and nobody is forced to view it (even by process - i.e.; can't avoid seeing it). > but I see no > problem with public nudity as long as it is not done with sexual intent. Agreed. > Then again, maybe I'm just a bit looney...that's possible too. Hmmm. :) From pete at heypete.com Fri Dec 3 02:10:02 2004 From: pete at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Dec 3 05:10:46 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: In article , "LaughingBoy" wrote: > Perhaps one day when boys are taught that it's okay to reach over and > 'evolve' the boy next to them, that will become a problem too. Premature > evolution and all that. :) *snerk* > > > DTL> -- evidently nude yoga in public is perfectly legal in San > > Francisco. > > This isn't about nudity. It's about sexual activity. I know...I just found the link somewhat amusing. > > I believe it appropriate for sexual education to be taught to > > students. > > That's where our difference of opinion is found... and across more than one > boundary. Fair enough. I respect that. > > Public stripping for > > entertainment is (IMHO) not appropriate, > > Disagree... unless you are estimating that strip joints are private. Last I checked, strip joints are indeed private establishments. > > but stripping in public for > > personal reasons (i.e. yoga, sunbathing, etc.) is acceptable. > > Hmmm. If you hadn't used the exact term "personal reasons" I would likely > have agreed. 'Personal reasons' span a variety that can get pretty lewd and > disgusting (not something acceptable for young children to see). I must admit that I was rather vague. I apologize -- I zoned out a bit, you know? Perhaps I should have said "non-lewd/erotic reasons". While I have no problem with someone being nude in public simply because that is how they choose to dress/not dress, I do have somewhat of a problem with someone flashing (exposing oneself in a purposely lewd manner) or stripping/sex acts in exchange for drugs/money in public. I have no problem with prostitution, but I'd prefer that it be done behind closed doors, personally. > > I agree that lewd behavior should be outlawed in public, > > You're making it tough to respond. You're kind of walking fine lines with > the terms you use. I have to disagree with that. If a couple (or whatever) > wants to screw in the bushes... I don't care... as long as I'm not paying > for them to do it or advertise it - and nobody is forced to view it (even by > process - i.e.; can't avoid seeing it). Again, apologies for the vagueness. My brain's worn out after much essay writing. I'd personally prefer (but don't really care one way or the other in a legal way) that people engage in sexual activities in private or in public areas designated for such activities (I don't know of any, personally). Nudity in public's fine...but sex in public is a bit much for me. Similarly, flashing, indecent exposure (similar to flashing, though for an extended period of time), etc. shouldn't be done, IMHO. > > Then again, maybe I'm just a bit looney...that's possible too. > > Hmmm. :) In fact, it's highly likely. :-P -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 10:22:30 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Fri Dec 3 05:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > It is a BSD box underneath, right? You should be able to access any > number of Unix utilities from the command line. Like > 'ps aefSl' > or > 'top' If the preview in System Prefs is anything to go by, the CPU usage seems to fluctuate between 5% and 11% during initialisation, and then 55-60% when it's going (again, probably failing to connect and just showing random lines, but that text at the top is too small to see in preview mode). And that's when the other 140% is going to my crunching jobs.... > See 'man ps' or 'man top' for more information. > > You can also limit any process's priority. See 'man nice' and 'man > renice'. I know about this too. But how is it possible to configure the Mac OS X screensaver system to use this? Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 02:58:43 2004 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Dec 3 06:00:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Good Ol' Boys References: Message-ID: LOL.. That was pretty funny. :) Chris "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:cooacg$48h$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.mdna.net/kooks.html > From avoozl at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 03:09:11 2004 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Dec 3 06:10:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: Gee, I wonder exactly what they deserve? ;-> Chris "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cop2cf$jsh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ooops! Damn! Did I say that? ... I meant .. err... ARMENIAN EXPRESS... yah. > So if any Amex execs are reading this, you can feel free to come on over to > my place - as I would just LOVE to pay those bills. Just give me a knock on > the door and I PROMISE, I'll give you everything you deserve. > > :) > > > From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 06:14:25 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 3 06:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cop2cf$jsh$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ooops! Damn! Did I say that? ... I meant .. err... ARMENIAN EXPRESS... yah. > So if any Amex execs are reading this, you can feel free to come on over to > my place - as I would just LOVE to pay those bills. Just give me a knock on > the door and I PROMISE, I'll give you everything you deserve. Gee, I wonder exactly what they deserve? ;-> Is this a contest? Are we limited in how many submissions to the contest? What do we win? Will the application of the winning submissions be publicized? From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 3 13:35:44 2004 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Fri Dec 3 08:40:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Good Ol' Boys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whatever wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:cooacg$48h$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> http://www.mdna.net/kooks.html > > Java Script + SW-Flash Neither of which exist. Java is one language. JavaScript is another. Java Script is meaningless. Shockwave is one thing. Flash is another. The name Shockwave Flash (if that's what you mean) was dropped to avoid confusion ages ago. What's it to do with anything, anyway? Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 08:49:57 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 08:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Census forms Message-ID: Anyone else get one? These people are a huge pain in the ass! They sent one form, which I back burnered because I'm busy and I have other priorities, with careful attention to "your response is required by law". Two weeks later, they sent another form saying "you haven't responded yet. Here's another form. GET BUSY! Your response is required by law". The next day, there was a message on my answering machine for me to call them.....I didn't bother, but jesus, why so aggressive, and what are they going to do with the intrusive information that now includes way more personal information that I ever wanted to give in the first place? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 14:21:59 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent) Date: Fri Dec 3 09:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Rob" wrote in news:conual$qlh$2@news.spamcop.net: > >More snippage > > To take one of your points > >> Number two. We are dealing with people with an organization that >> should be able to generate I.D.s that would be adequate for their >> needs. Makes the concept of any I.D for this purpose as ridiculous. > > How would one go about getting a high tech ID card to begin with, how > do you start the system off? You have to apply for one and bring > proof of who you are to get it. What is the proof of who you are that > you bring to get it? A birth certificate? Passport? National > Insurance number and card? Driving license? Library card? The > security of a high tech card is only as good as the primary proof > which by it's nature is low tech. However, once you have obtained > this high tech card using low tech proof then as long as you have it > everyone is reassured that you are not a terrorist as you calmly plant > a bomb in the Tower Of London or release nerve gas in the tube system. > The lowly beggar in the street however is looked upon with suspicion. > > Of course with biometric data encoded into the card it would be more > complicated to steel and use, fingerprint ID, Iris ID can help stop > fraud especially if the ID card is connected with your Credit Card. > However, how long would it be before the first crimes of people being > mugged, their finger chopped off or their eye plucked out to go with > the stolen ID/credit card? > > Rob > > > And thats the crux of the matter. It could be done, at least in one of the highly technologically capable countries. But it wouldn't be simple or quick to get. The usual documentation, which could be forged of course, but a background check would be needed just to make sure you are really who you saying you are. Much as is done for the U.S. military, various government agencies and police. But that would have to cost some big bucks if done. What about the non-advanced countries? If they can't afford to provide this service for their citizens then they are not allowed to enter your country? They might be able to afford the technology to 'make' the I.D.s but I personally wouldn't trust their background checks. Just like 'buying' a passport. Some middle-level government official can issue passports. A couple of thousand in the local currency and you've got it. Your name is Margaret Thatcher? Well here is your passport Mrs. Thatcher! Cash only of course. Some other country's special I.D.s that you don't trust aren't going to be accepted in your country. Now we're back to where we were..spending great quantities of money, wasting a lot of time, and only have I.D.s that you can trust for your OWN citizens...so it seems (in my jaundiced/paranoid view) that they are only good for monitoring your own citezens in a police state.....m From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 14:30:39 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent) Date: Fri Dec 3 09:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:copiga$t5j$1@news.spamcop.net: > "LaughingBoy" wrote in message > news:cop2cf$jsh$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Ooops! Damn! Did I say that? ... I meant .. err... ARMENIAN >> EXPRESS... > yah. >> So if any Amex execs are reading this, you can feel free to come on >> over > to >> my place - as I would just LOVE to pay those bills. Just give me a >> knock > on >> the door and I PROMISE, I'll give you everything you deserve. > > Gee, I wonder exactly what they deserve? ;-> > > Is this a contest? Are we limited in how many submissions to the > contest? What do we win? > > Will the application of the winning submissions be publicized? > > > I try to think of myself as a gentle man, but I've got some ideas involving thin gauge braided wire, duct tape, genitals and a video camera... (G)...really I'm kidding!!...oh, and a big stone to stand on..m From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 08:00:14 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 11:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Good Ol' Boys References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:copq3e$1gb$1@news.spamcop.net... > Neither of which exist. > > Java is one language. JavaScript is another. Java Script is meaningless. > > Shockwave is one thing. Flash is another. The name Shockwave Flash (if > that's what you mean) was dropped to avoid confusion ages ago. > > What's it to do with anything, anyway? Wow. That's a beautiful story. All that over a space in shock wave, huh? :) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 16:51:35 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 11:55:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Perfect Christmas Gift for the Hubby? Go to Target! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:cooe3t$6lm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfm2a3l0t2-40D492.17460601122004@news.cesmail.net... >> >> Generally speaking, a barrister is a trial lawyer, while a solicitor >> provides legal advice and prepares legal documents. Solicitors rarely >> appear in court. > > Thank you again Dom, he who knows all...I notice none of the Brits ponied > up the answer... > > But, but...... he'd already answered it. No need for 50 people saying the same thing... (assuming there are 50 brits in 'ere). From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 16:56:40 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:00:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: "David 1" wrote in message news:coompp$b0h$1@news.spamcop.net... > JerryMouse wrote: >> indigo wrote: >> >>>.....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress >>>completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a >>>program designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related >>>crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to track and intercept >>>illegal purchases of guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of >>>priorities and a lean budget". Great. Fscking great. >> >> >> More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. > Well, I've never promoted or thought of myself as a Republican, But I do > agree with those #s/formula > David 1 Mmmm...... More cars = less car crime More cars on road = less road traffic accidents More emissions = better environment From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 16:58:33 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:00:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pesky use taxes... again References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:conkkh$iie$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: >> JerryMouse wrote: >> >>>When the Clinton administration imposed a "luxury" tax on high-ticket >>>items (furs, jewlry, yachts, etc.), the American yacht-construction >>>industry just about disappeared. Yacht buyers, instead of paying the >>>confiscatory tax, simply bought their yachts in the Bahamas or >>>elsewhere. >>> >>>American shipyards became ghost towns. >> >> For once you have your facts straight -- that tax nearly ruined almost >> every >> industry along the Chesapeake Bay. None of the local boat manufacturers >> came >> back after the tax was repealed -- and it wasn't applied just to >> "yachts" -- >> plenty of reasonably average powerboats were covered by that law too. > > Mea culpa. I was wrong. The same law applied to yachts costing more than > $100,000; aircraft costing more than $250,000; and jewelry and furs > costing more than $10,000. > > How come Cessna is still in business? > I guess their math would be; If you can't afford to pay the tax on it, you can't afford the $250,000 to buy it.......... From joe at I.hate.spam.com Fri Dec 3 12:16:21 2004 From: joe at I.hate.spam.com (Joe Blow) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:20:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:coq5u3$8fa$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. >> Well, I've never promoted or thought of myself as a Republican, But I do >> agree with those #s/formula >> David 1 > > Mmmm...... More cars = less car crime > > More cars on road = less road traffic accidents > More emissions = better environment Analogies like this are hardly worthwhile, i.e. in the case of more cars...what condition are they in and who would be driving them? More guns in the hands of good citizens = less crime. More guns in the hands of criminals = more crime. But criminals will get guns whether or not they're legally allowed to have them. So, you prefer that only criminals should have guns? In any case, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. You don't like it? Good luck trying to change the Constitution. From David1 at suescornerweb.com Fri Dec 3 12:39:40 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:40:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "David 1" wrote in message > news:coompp$b0h$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>JerryMouse wrote: >> >>>indigo wrote: >>> >>> >>>>.....except for home grown criminals and terrorists. Bush and Congress >>>>completely removed all funding for "Project Safe Neighborhood", a >>>>program designed to crack down on gun trafficking and gun-related >>>>crimes. They also pulled funding for a program to track and intercept >>>>illegal purchases of guns by youths. All because "It's a matter of >>>>priorities and a lean budget". Great. Fscking great. >>> >>> >>>More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. >> >>Well, I've never promoted or thought of myself as a Republican, But I do >>agree with those #s/formula >>David 1 > > > Mmmm...... More cars = less car crime > > More cars on road = less road traffic accidents > More emissions = better environment > > Ok so I shouldn't have said formula, But Human nature dictates one of 2 things is going to happen If J. Q. Public in general starts to carry (whether legal or not) a Weapon & also assuming that J. Q. Public took the time to learn how & when to use the damn thing, Joe Crook going to think twice about just going up to any one. It's human nature, Joe wants to live to spend it, John/Jane Q Public worked damn hard (or legally stole it) & doesn't want to lose it to Joe just cause he got a gun. As someone posted before about the NRA statement. If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns! Well then I guess I'm an outlaw based on that statement cause they ain't taking my old .357 end of story. Again this is just my Uninformed, Uneducated opinion, Maybe a little redneck on top of it but there you have it just the same. David 1 From David1 at suescornerweb.com Fri Dec 3 12:45:53 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:45:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Blow wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:coq5u3$8fa$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>>>More guns = less crime. It's Republican math. >>> >>>Well, I've never promoted or thought of myself as a Republican, But I do >>>agree with those #s/formula >>>David 1 >> >>Mmmm...... More cars = less car crime >> >>More cars on road = less road traffic accidents >>More emissions = better environment > > > Analogies like this are hardly worthwhile, i.e. in the case of more > cars...what condition are they in and who would be driving them? > > More guns in the hands of good citizens = less crime. More guns in the > hands of criminals = more crime. But criminals will get guns whether or not > they're legally allowed to have them. So, you prefer that only criminals > should have guns? > > In any case, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. You don't like > it? Good luck trying to change the Constitution. > > Unfortunately here lately it doesn't seem to matter what the Constitution says, they can pass anything they want & we are stuck with it until it gets overturned which can take years or at lest that's the way I understand it or see in the news the very little I watch the news. David 1 From David1 at suescornerweb.com Fri Dec 3 12:48:29 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Fri Dec 3 12:50:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > >>Anyone else get one? > > > Where do you live? It was my understanding that in the USA, the > census is only taken once every ten years. I could be wrong, and you > could be out of the USA... > Yeah, that's what I was thinking, I just went through that in 2000 so it shouldn't be due again until 2010 for the USA but I could be wrong. David 1 From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 18:08:02 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:conrg2$oh8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message >>> >>>The trouble is that it would make it more essential than ever that the >>>card isn't going to be lost, stolen or damaged beyond usability. >> >> Ahhh... well..... you seeeee......... that's where the brain implants >> come in.......... he he ha hahe ha ha he he.......... >> they're coming to take me away ha ha he he ............. > > You haven't been chipped yet, getting a chip implanted in your arm? There > are a few companies, related to credit card companies I believe, running > around trying to make that palatable. They are selling it as a credit > card you can't misplace. Roll on the Matrix, huh? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 18:17:35 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: UK ID Cards Plan Revealed References: Message-ID: "Rob" wrote in message news:conual$qlh$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "magus kent" wrote in message > news:Xns95B3545173490maguskent@216.154.195.61... >> Stewart Gordon wrote in >> news:cokg1a$i41$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >> > > To take one of your points > >> Number two. We are dealing with people with an organization that should >> be able to generate I.D.s that would be adequate for their needs. Makes >> the concept of any I.D for this purpose as ridiculous. > > How would one go about getting a high tech ID card to begin with, how do > you > start the system off? You have to apply for one and bring proof of who > you > are to get it. What is the proof of who you are that you bring to get it? > A birth certificate? Passport? National Insurance number and card? > Driving license? Library card? The security of a high tech card is only > as > good as the primary proof which by it's nature is low tech. However, once > you have obtained this high tech card using low tech proof then as long as > you have it everyone is reassured that you are not a terrorist as you > calmly > plant a bomb in the Tower Of London or release nerve gas in the tube > system. > The lowly beggar in the street however is looked upon with suspicion. > > Of course with biometric data encoded into the card it would be more > complicated to steel and use, fingerprint ID, Iris ID can help stop fraud > especially if the ID card is connected with your Credit Card. However, > how > long would it be before the first crimes of people being mugged, their > finger chopped off or their eye plucked out to go with the stolen > ID/credit > card? Ah.... but as the primary reason (behind all the smoke and mirrors) that the govmnt wants to introduce these ID cards is to keep tabs on everyone (Big Brother eat your heart out) they won't have even been looking at these issues, or any of the other red heerring/practicality issues. As several people pointed out the flaws in the whole concept in (I think) Question Time on BBC the other night, how do you issue an ID card to illegal immigrants - you have to find them first, so how is the system of ID cards going to stop them from getting here???? (Sorry, when I say "here" I actually mean the UK - I thought I'd better clarify that, as we're not actually in the UK). From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 10:26:46 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: "David 1" wrote in message news:coq89v$acp$1@news.spamcop.net... > Again this is just my Uninformed, Uneducated opinion, Maybe a little > redneck on top of it but there you have it just the same. > David 1 Grammar aside, that doesn't seem uninformed to me. It reflects a simplicity for certain realities that anti-gun groups can't grasp and that I admire. The anti-whatevers tend to generate their policies and opinions based on fantasy (the way they wish things were) in light of present-to-future. Those who try to stay prepared for whatever the future might dish out, see things more from past-to-present and recognize the many flaws which make those fantasies an impossibility in the short term and unlikely in the next couple of hundred years. I'm sure that most of us would like to live in a world where we didn't *have* to defend ourselves or what is ours. We don't have a world like that (with or without guns) - and taking away our most basic right to defend ourselves from those realities is not only foolish but childish in the belief that - if all guns were gone tomorrow there would be no more (or much less) killing - or that stopping citizens from owning guns is going to have any sustained effect on criminal acquisition. I would even predict that any lower numbers in domestic violence (caused by a gun ban) would be immediately overshadowed by the number of bomb associated deaths - caused by those who switch from guns to explosives to commit their crimes and end up killing many people at a time instead of just the one(s) they were after (Ok-bomb queues spotlight). :) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 13:46:36 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:50:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-A6842F.12251903122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > Anyone else get one? > > Where do you live? It was my understanding that in the USA, the > census is only taken once every ten years. I could be wrong, and you > could be out of the USA... I live in NH......maybe they only do some people every few years? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 13:48:31 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:50:17 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mercury bites again.... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-3314B6.12010803122004@news.cesmail.net... > If I bought all that astrology stuff... But it would explain why > September and the last couple of weeks have been crappy. (Virgo BTW) > Heh... http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/monthly/virgo_full.php A sense of humor will help a great deal this month, dear Virgo. Mercury, your guardian planet, will be asleep at the control board until December 20. While you will still be able to get a great deal done in December, the pace of your schedule will slow considerably. At times you may become very impatient--it may feel like you are watching grass grow. Use this period constructively. There will be reasons to redo things, backtrack and rethink projects. Negotiations will stall, and people will take much longer to get back to you with answers. Don't try to force matters, because it will only complicate things. Instead, go with the flow. Besides, the extra time will allow you to enjoy more of the holiday season. For those who are not familiar with this planet, Mercury rules all the things that we need to keep the world spinning on track. It governs all sorts of communication, commerce, shipping and transportation. Mercury will be retrograde until December 20. This is sure to wreak havoc on the holiday season for every sign, but you tend to feel Mercury retrograde's effects more than most because Mercury is your ruler. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 10:50:26 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Dec 3 13:55:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>The reason these shows have gay people in them is to appeal to the gay >>population. Seems they have no problem doing that in order to attract >>advertisers. I smell hypocrisy. > > The point isn't that there are openly gay people in the ads, it is > that the ads are implying something more controversial, "We let gay > people worship with us, why don't you?" This crosses the line between > allowing something, and condemning something. "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 11:03:48 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 14:05:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:coqcur$dea$1@news.spamcop.net... > I wonder if it is some sort of weird > scam, identity theft or something. Now THAT would be a huge offence I would think (hope). I can imagine what a prosecutor would throw at somebody who tried a stunt like that. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 14:39:33 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 14:40:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:coqcur$dea$1@news.spamcop.net... > It sounds weird to me. As far as I know, the next one is due in 2010 > and the results from 2000 have long been published. What's the address > and phone number for these people. I wonder if it is some sort of weird > scam, identity theft or something. > > Does the information on the form and address and all that look anything > like it does here: > http://www.census.gov/main/www/contacts.html Fortunately I kept the first form, and it looked official, gov't address, postage paid return envelope....jesus, now I'm paranoid...maybe they're early? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apwashington_story.asp?category=1155&slug=Census%20Budget From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 15:06:19 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:10:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > > Baloney. What are the stats, something like 30-40% of Americans are > > overweight or obese? You're trying to convince me that the majority > > of 50 million people have a obesity disease? > > That's exactly what I'm saying. > > > I don't buy it. > > Of course you don't. You're proving my last point above. You want to > believe that the obese are obese because of some moral failing on > their part. You don't want to listen to any other explanation. "Morbedly Obese" I might agree with you on -- but 50-60 lbs overweight? No frigging way. How did Oprah go from 300+ lbs to whatever if it's cause by a disease? What about Jared the Subway boy? The list of just celebrities is endless, let alone average humans. > > Let me guess--you've never had a weight problem in your life, right? Define "weight problem". My weight has varied around 200 lbs +15/-15 lbs for at least 15-20 years. And at the upper end, I get a big ol' belly, and it's from a lack of exercise and poor eating habits -- and I'd keep getting fatter if I didn't crack down on myself, which I always do. And according to those stupid height/weight charts even at 190 lbs (where I look and feel my best) I'm still "officially" 10-15 lbs overweight (by their standards). From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 12:07:37 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:10:21 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > > > You look at the Census webpage and a lot of it seems to be aimed at > selling the information, like helping businesses target their marketing > better. I hate all the marketing. Every time I'm confronted with > demands for marketing data, generally I refuse or sometimes I just make > up totally bogus information. I resent being studied and cataloged so > that I will be a better consumer. IIRC, Census can only sell aggregated data - no personal information that can be traced to an individual can be sold. At least, that's the way it used to be. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 12:13:36 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:15:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Bad Reporter Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/4d8g5 or http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle/pictures/2004/12/03/bad-680x750-reporter.gif Quadriped Monkey Bigot timeline! From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 12:15:41 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cop58c$llu$1@news.spamcop.net... > My longest friendship is with a gay friend (since I was 17). Reply to my own reply here, but I hav'ta tell ya the reason we became such good friends. Shortly after being introduced to him by another friend, he advised me (as if some kind of safety advisory) that he was gay - name of John. I happened upon him another day on the street and invited him for a coffee at the corner coffee shop. After we'd just sat down, a small group of gay (and extremely effeminate) fellows walk in and one of them recognizes him... says something like "Ahw girlfriend! Been a long time!". John gets up from the table and walks over to the group, puts his face to the guy who said it and tells him "My name is John; not Girlfriend." ... the guy just kind of shrank and said "Okay". He comes back over to the table, sits down and looks at me in humiliation ... grits his teeth and says "That's why I hate f*ggots."... and there... right there ... was born a long friendship. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 15:29:53 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:30:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:coqgbc$frd$1@news.spamcop.net... > But ok, the official reason: > http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html And it says this, which pretty much says it was legit: "The 2004 President's budget includes funding to implement the American Community Survey at full sample next year, in the final quarter of 2004. This will provide tract level data comparable to the long form two years before long form data could possibly be available from the decennial census in 2010. " > So it is just me, that this, national id cards, the rest of that, it all > seems to be run like corporate databases. The Constitution allows a > head count every 10 years, it doesn't say anything about getting > marketing data about how much you spent a year on, well, whatever things > they ask on the long form. I seem to remember I got a long form in > 1990, but I would guess it has grown since then. The form asked for residence info, how many people in the house, why they lived there, how much you spent on rent, heat, how you heated, how much your salary was, what you had for a car, etc. , way more information than I wanted to give out, but then again 'Your participation is required by law'. Didn't say I couldn't lie though. I griped all the way through it. > > You look at the Census webpage and a lot of it seems to be aimed at > selling the information, like helping businesses target their marketing > better. I hate all the marketing. Every time I'm confronted with > demands for marketing data, generally I refuse or sometimes I just make > up totally bogus information. I resent being studied and cataloged so > that I will be a better consumer. They publish 'aggreggate statistics'...."The special tabulations and statistical extracts that we prepare yield files of anonymous, non-identifiable data that have been scrutinized to ensure that the confidentiality of respondents is not comprised." Right.... We were just talking about this in the office today, being tracked everywhere you go, it's becoming very intrustive. I'm still creeped out when I call somewhere and they answer me by name from their caller ID. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 15:42:00 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: LaughingBoy wrote: > > They pulled an insurance scam by sending me my fathers credit card > bills when he died. Knowing that I would rather [insert profanity and > threats here] than give them a penny (and told them so on the phone), > they sent it to collection - so now they get it back via insurance, > and leave me to fight with the creditors on my own time and expense. > Just another sick tactic from another tyrannical corporation. More likely an example of someone who didn't talk to a lawyer, unless there's a lot more to this story than you're letting on, morpher-boy. Children are *not* legally responsible for paying off the debts of their parents when they die. If the estate has insufficient assets to pay off the creditors, they get nothing. If you're "fighting your Dad's creditors on your own time and expense", you got no one to blame but yourself for the mess. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 15:45:29 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 15:50:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > The point isn't that there are openly gay people in the ads, it is > that the ads are implying something more controversial, "We let gay > people worship with us, why don't you?" This crosses the line between > allowing something, and condemning something. You're reading something into the ad that isn't there. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 15:56:19 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:00:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:coqhvo$h7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > For myself, I'm pretty resistant to the whole thing and I'm sure > marketers hate me. I need very few things and if there is something I > need, I'll seek it out and do the research on my own and mistrust most > advertising. I worry about the coming generation of children who are > growing up with all of this. They spend their day, even in school, > being bombarded with commercial messages. It is scary to see just how > in tune and how much kids have been effected by all of this. We are > creating generations of mindless consumers. I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no more float. EL SUCKO.... From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Dec 3 16:18:39 2004 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (Deborah) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:20:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mercury bites again.... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-3314B6.12010803122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Deborah" wrote: > > > HAH! So that explains why I've been feeling so - well - sort of like I'm > > spinning backward lately...after all, I _am_ a Gemini, and I work with > > computers, two ;-) > > If I bought all that astrology stuff... But it would explain why > September and the last couple of weeks have been crappy. (Virgo BTW) > > -- > -David Personally I tend to attribute all that sort of thing to the universal principle of synchronicity. IOW, I don't believe in astrology at all, but nevertheless, I have been in a weird state for the past week or so...edgy, dissatisfied with everything and generally bitchy, actually. -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 16:28:11 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Let the (gay) book burning begin! References: Message-ID: Bob W. wrote: > In article , > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > From Wednesday"s Birmingham News: > > > > > Gay book ban goal of state lawmaker > > > > > > KIM CHANDLER > > > News staff writer > > > > > > MONTGOMERY - An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages > > > now wants to > > > ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including > > > university libraries. > > > > Makes me wonder just what's gone on in his family to make him so > obsessed... You know what they say about the biggest and loudest homophobes........ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 16:46:43 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mercury bites again.... References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-3314B6.12010803122004@news.cesmail.net... > > If I bought all that astrology stuff... But it would explain why > > September and the last couple of weeks have been crappy. (Virgo BTW) > > > Heh... Heh indeed....looks like I'm going to "get lucky" next Saturday, and come into a small fortune on the 24th.....maybe that's when the FDA will release go/no go decision on this new and highly promising leukemia drug developed by a BioTech company I recently bought a small chunk of.......it'd be a double win (for me _and_ my Dad, for different reasons). http://www.astrologyzone.com/forecasts/monthly/aquarius_full.php From SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# Fri Dec 3 13:51:37 2004 From: SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# (Spam N Scams Reporter) Date: Fri Dec 3 16:55:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:coqhvo$h7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>For myself, I'm pretty resistant to the whole thing and I'm sure >>marketers hate me. I need very few things and if there is something I >>need, I'll seek it out and do the research on my own and mistrust most >>advertising. I worry about the coming generation of children who are >>growing up with all of this. They spend their day, even in school, >>being bombarded with commercial messages. It is scary to see just how >>in tune and how much kids have been effected by all of this. We are >>creating generations of mindless consumers. > > > I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor > them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not > just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty > self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have > to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and > of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top > it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts > the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no > more float. EL SUCKO.... > > What I have found is that you do not need to give even your name when you fill out a store card. I always use something like "Store Name" Shopper. It's often good for a grin when the checker looks at the receipt and sez "Thank you, Mr. Ace Hardware Shopper" There have been times when the information gathered with these cards has been used against people. Especially if someone were to file a legal suit against a store for an injury or what ever. From SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# Fri Dec 3 14:09:25 2004 From: SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# (Spam N Scams Reporter) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:10:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:coqgbc$frd$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>But ok, the official reason: >>http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html > > > And it says this, which pretty much says it was legit: > > "The 2004 President's budget includes funding to implement the American Community > Survey at full sample next year, in the final quarter of 2004. This will provide > tract level data comparable to the long form two years before long form data could > possibly be available from the decennial census in 2010. " > > >>So it is just me, that this, national id cards, the rest of that, it all >>seems to be run like corporate databases. The Constitution allows a >>head count every 10 years, it doesn't say anything about getting >>marketing data about how much you spent a year on, well, whatever things >>they ask on the long form. I seem to remember I got a long form in >>1990, but I would guess it has grown since then. > > > The form asked for residence info, how many people in the house, why they lived > there, how much you spent on rent, heat, how you heated, how much your salary was, > what you had for a car, etc. , way more information than I wanted to give out, but > then again 'Your participation is required by law'. Didn't say I couldn't lie > though. I griped all the way through it. > Gargling From:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/160904thoughtpolice.htm Everywhere we look these days, we are either being watched, taxed or some bureaucrat is placing another bit of information in our government files. And now with the American Community Survey, the latest census form that hits various households on a continuous basis, the federal bureaucracy is thrusting its expansive tentacles toward us in an attempt to invade every aspect of our lives. Unlike the traditional census, which collects data every ten years, the American Community Survey is taken every year at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. And at 24 pages, it contains some of the most detailed and intrusive questions ever put forth in a census questionnaire. These concern matters that the government simply has no business knowing, including a person?s job, income, physical and emotional health, family status, place of residence and intimate personal and private habits. The questions, as Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has said, are ?both ludicrous and insulting.? For example, the survey asks how many persons live in your home, along with their names and detailed information about them such as their relationship to you, marital status, race and their physical, mental and emotional problems, etc. The survey also asks how many bedrooms and bathrooms you have in your house, along with the fuel used to heat your home, the cost of electricity, what type of mortgage you have and monthly mortgage payments, property taxes and so on. This questionnaire also demands to know how many days you were sick last year, how many automobiles you own and the number of miles driven, whether you have trouble getting up the stairs and, amazingly, what time you leave for work every morning. With the power of government agents under the USA Patriot Act to secretly come into your home and rifle through your personal belongings without a search warrant, it is dangerous to let the government know when you will not be at home. While some of the questions may seem to be fairly routine, the real danger is in not knowing why the information is needed or how the government will use it. One obvious concern with all this information, especially that of a financial nature, is when the survey information is matched against the information you have given the Internal Revenue Service on your tax returns. Any discrepancies, intentional or not, will most likely result in an IRS audit of your finances. Unfortunately, the survey is not voluntary. Answering the questions is not a polite request from the Census Bureau. You are legally obligated to answer. If you refuse, the fines are staggering. For every question not answered, there is a $100 fine. And for every intentionally false response to a question, the fine is $500. Therefore, if a person representing a two-person household refused to fill out any questions or simply answered nonsensically, the total fines could range from upwards of $10,000 and $50,000 for noncompliance. I'm awfully glad that I live in a county with less than 20,000 people. From http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html In 2008, we will start providing data for every county, town, and community between the sizes of 20,000 and 65,000 persons. This means there will be summary data for Gila County, Arizona; Port Huron, Michigan; Bethel Park, Pennsylvania; Hudson, New Hampshire; and Redmond, Washington, and they will be updated every year thereafter. From SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# Fri Dec 3 14:21:38 2004 From: SpamNScamsReporter# at gmail#.com# (Spam N Scams Reporter) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spam N Scams Reporter wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message >> news:coqgbc$frd$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> But ok, the official reason: >>> http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html >> >> >> > > >> > > Gargling > > From:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/160904thoughtpolice.htm > > > > > Unfortunately, the survey is not voluntary. Answering the questions is > not a polite request from the Census Bureau. You are legally obligated > to answer. If you refuse, the fines are staggering. For every question > not answered, there is a $100 fine. And for every intentionally false > response to a question, the fine is $500. Therefore, if a person > representing a two-person household refused to fill out any questions or > simply answered nonsensically, the total fines could range from upwards > of $10,000 and $50,000 for noncompliance. > I'm not sure about the correctness of this. From the Census Bureau: Do I have to respond to the American Community Survey? Answer Yes. The American Community Survey (ACS) is part of the decennial census. It is the long form of the census sent to a relatively small sample of addresses every month throughout the decade. As such, under Title 13 of the United States Code, if you receive the American Community Survey questionnaire, you are required by this federal law to respond and to provide accurate information to the best of your ability. The ACS is replacing the census long form for the 2010 Census. It is authorized by Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193. Section 221 provides for a penalty of up to $100 for failure to answer. Providing false answers is subject to a fine of up to $500 - Section 221. It does give the impression that it is $100 or $500 per question. Anybody up for reading the US Code? Question I received a call from someone claiming to be a U.S. Census Bureau survey-taker. How can I be sure this is not a scam? Answer You should contact the Census Bureau's Regional Office for your area. They can verify if the caller in question is indeed official. Note that all Census Bureau field representatives carry official identification. Many of the current survey-takers are conducting the American Community Survey. This survey is replacing the census long form for the 2010 Census. It is authorized by Title 13, United States Code, Sections 141 and 193. Section 221 provides for a penalty of up to $100 for failure to answer. Providing false answers is subject to a fine of up to $500 - Section 221. They sure want to press this point don't they. It had nothing to do with the question. Strong-arm tactics for something that they know is not going to be well received. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 17:47:29 2004 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-BFD330.10421003122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > There are many of these that probably go right over the heads of most of > > the people in red states ;) > > I think that would be better worded as including gay people, rather > than targeting gay people. Not just because: That's what the advertising people would say. And on the surface it is true. Just like the controversy over the ads that never showed black people, the advertising people don't want to be accused of not showing 'all' their potential customers. > > > There are many of these that probably go right over the heads of most of > > the people in red states ;) > > But because many(most) people don't automatically exclude themselves > from a certain purchase because there was a (possibly) gay couple in the > advertising. There are probably a lot of people in the 'red' states who would not buy something that gay people would buy - either in protest or because they don't want to be identified with gay people. Miss Betsy From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Fri Dec 3 22:08:36 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:50:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:coqjtk$ir7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:coqhvo$h7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > For myself, I'm pretty resistant to the whole thing and I'm sure > > marketers hate me. I need very few things and if there is something I > > need, I'll seek it out and do the research on my own and mistrust most > > advertising. I worry about the coming generation of children who are > > growing up with all of this. They spend their day, even in school, > > being bombarded with commercial messages. It is scary to see just how > > in tune and how much kids have been effected by all of this. We are > > creating generations of mindless consumers. > > I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor > them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not > just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty > self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have > to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and > of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top > it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts > the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no > more float. EL SUCKO.... > > Do they still accept cash? From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Fri Dec 3 22:19:06 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:50:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:coqjtk$ir7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:coqhvo$h7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > For myself, I'm pretty resistant to the whole thing and I'm sure > > marketers hate me. I need very few things and if there is something I > > need, I'll seek it out and do the research on my own and mistrust most > > advertising. I worry about the coming generation of children who are > > growing up with all of this. They spend their day, even in school, > > being bombarded with commercial messages. It is scary to see just how > > in tune and how much kids have been effected by all of this. We are > > creating generations of mindless consumers. > > I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor > them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not > just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty > self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have > to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and > of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top > it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts > the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no > more float. EL SUCKO.... > > My mother gets loads of junk mail through the door every day. She wonders how they get her name. My mother uses a Tesco's loyalty store card, you know the ones, use it every time you make a purchase and you get points. After you've spent about £5000 you can get a free packet of biscuits. My friends mother who also has this card signed up for on line shopping with them. When you enter your loyalty card number bingo, they know all your favourite products and suggest what you would like. My mother uses a Tesco's loyalty card and gets loads of junk mail every day! From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Fri Dec 3 22:46:03 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:50:15 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spam N Scams Reporter" wrote in message news:coqo6u$lji$1@news.spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:coqgbc$frd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >>But ok, the official reason: > >>http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html > > > > > > And it says this, which pretty much says it was legit: > > > > "The 2004 President's budget includes funding to implement the American Community > > Survey at full sample next year, in the final quarter of 2004. This will provide > > tract level data comparable to the long form two years before long form data could > > possibly be available from the decennial census in 2010. " > > > > > >>So it is just me, that this, national id cards, the rest of that, it all > >>seems to be run like corporate databases. The Constitution allows a > >>head count every 10 years, it doesn't say anything about getting > >>marketing data about how much you spent a year on, well, whatever things > >>they ask on the long form. I seem to remember I got a long form in > >>1990, but I would guess it has grown since then. > > > > > > The form asked for residence info, how many people in the house, why they lived > > there, how much you spent on rent, heat, how you heated, how much your salary was, > > what you had for a car, etc. , way more information than I wanted to give out, but > > then again 'Your participation is required by law'. Didn't say I couldn't lie > > though. I griped all the way through it. > > > > > > Gargling > > From:http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/160904thoughtpolice. htm > > > Everywhere we look these days, we are either being watched, taxed or > some bureaucrat is placing another bit of information in our government > files. And now with the American Community Survey, the latest census > form that hits various households on a continuous basis, the federal > bureaucracy is thrusting its expansive tentacles toward us in an attempt > to invade every aspect of our lives. > > Unlike the traditional census, which collects data every ten years, the > American Community Survey is taken every year at a cost of hundreds of > millions of dollars. And at 24 pages, it contains some of the most > detailed and intrusive questions ever put forth in a census > questionnaire. These concern matters that the government simply has no > business knowing, including a person’s job, income, physical and > emotional health, family status, place of residence and intimate > personal and private habits. > > The questions, as Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has said, are “both ludicrous > and insulting.” For example, the survey asks how many persons live in > your home, along with their names and detailed information about them > such as their relationship to you, marital status, race and their > physical, mental and emotional problems, etc. The survey also asks how > many bedrooms and bathrooms you have in your house, along with the fuel > used to heat your home, the cost of electricity, what type of mortgage > you have and monthly mortgage payments, property taxes and so on. This > questionnaire also demands to know how many days you were sick last > year, how many automobiles you own and the number of miles driven, > whether you have trouble getting up the stairs and, amazingly, what time > you leave for work every morning. With the power of government agents > under the USA Patriot Act to secretly come into your home and rifle > through your personal belongings without a search warrant, it is > dangerous to let the government know when you will not be at home. > > While some of the questions may seem to be fairly routine, the real > danger is in not knowing why the information is needed or how the > government will use it. One obvious concern with all this information, > especially that of a financial nature, is when the survey information is > matched against the information you have given the Internal Revenue > Service on your tax returns. Any discrepancies, intentional or not, will > most likely result in an IRS audit of your finances. > > Unfortunately, the survey is not voluntary. Answering the questions is > not a polite request from the Census Bureau. You are legally obligated > to answer. If you refuse, the fines are staggering. For every question > not answered, there is a $100 fine. And for every intentionally false > response to a question, the fine is $500. Therefore, if a person > representing a two-person household refused to fill out any questions or > simply answered nonsensically, the total fines could range from upwards > of $10,000 and $50,000 for noncompliance. > > I'm awfully glad that I live in a county with less than 20,000 people. > From http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2003/kincannon5-13-03.html > > In 2008, we will start providing data for every county, town, and > community between the sizes of 20,000 and 65,000 persons. This means > there will be summary data for Gila County, Arizona; Port Huron, > Michigan; Bethel Park, Pennsylvania; Hudson, New Hampshire; and Redmond, > Washington, and they will be updated every year thereafter. The question that always phases me is "What is your Ethnic origin?" (UK census). I never know what to say, British? Welsh? But they are nationalities. White? No that's race. Where did I originate from? Well, there's a question! No one in Briton originated from here, we all are immigrants...from where? Europe? Where before that? How far back do you want to go. Are we all African as that is supposed to be where we originated? I can trace one line back to Ancient Egypt, is that my ethnic origin. I have to answer it, but, I'm in a dilemma. Why not ask an easier question such as "What's the sound of one hand clapping?" From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 18:07:16 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 18:10:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: In article , "Rob" wrote: > My friends mother who also has this card signed up for on line shopping with > them. When you enter your loyalty card number bingo, they know all your > favourite products and suggest what you would like. If you shop online, they're going to know all that stuff with or without the card. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From DONOTSPAMpeterpepper at NOSPAMbizwax.com Fri Dec 3 17:20:02 2004 From: DONOTSPAMpeterpepper at NOSPAMbizwax.com (Peter Pepper) Date: Fri Dec 3 18:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Fallujah was Napalmed... Message-ID: Napalm was globally outlawed in 1980. The USA is the only country that still uses it. So who really owns and uses WMDs? The USA. Why don't any USA news orgs report on this? Not one USA-based news organization has said a word. US ADMIT USING 'SON OF NAPALM' ON IRAQIS http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/page.cfm?objectid=13274923&method=full&siteid=106694 FALLUJAH NAPALMED http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/page.cfm?objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694 ACT NOW! Lobby your MP over Fallujah napalm http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=5064&grp=21&cat=94 U.S. uses napalm gas in Fallujah http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/28/4732018 Napalm - a deadly killer http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=5066&grp=21&cat=94 The Quiet of Destruction and Death http://electroniciraq.net/news/1738.shtml >From Guernica to Fallujah http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html Fallujah, Execution in Mosques and the Rest http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists&alt=&trh=20041201&hn=14364 Just search google for 'FALLUJAH NAPALM' for more news items that are not USA-biased. I am thankful for the internet so I have access to other news sources that do not try to kiss up to the USA government. Not all of us are deceived by the likes of crappy news reporting on USA-based CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. With that kind of reporting and the USA's love of TV, no wonder the all the less educated in the USA support this war, which seems to be the majority of the USA-population these days. PP From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 3 23:59:10 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:05:15 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: "Peter Pepper" wrote in message news:coqs2r$o48$1@news.spamcop.net... > Napalm was globally outlawed in 1980. The USA is the only country that > still > uses it. So who really owns and uses WMDs? The USA. > > Why don't any USA news orgs report on this? Not one USA-based news > organization has said a word. Ah well, probably because it would be against the "sacred" constitution or something. (Or they might be getting their pockets filled by personas with vested interests). > > US ADMIT USING 'SON OF NAPALM' ON IRAQIS > http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/page.cfm?objectid=13274923&method=full&siteid=106694 > > FALLUJAH NAPALMED > http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/page.cfm?objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694 > > ACT NOW! Lobby your MP over Fallujah napalm > http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=5064&grp=21&cat=94 > > U.S. uses napalm gas in Fallujah > http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/11/28/4732018 > > Napalm - a deadly killer > http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription.asp?key=5066&grp=21&cat=94 > > The Quiet of Destruction and Death > http://electroniciraq.net/news/1738.shtml > > From Guernica to Fallujah > http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FL02Ak02.html > > Fallujah, Execution in Mosques and the Rest > http://www.zaman.com/?bl=columnists&alt=&trh=20041201&hn=14364 > > Just search google for 'FALLUJAH NAPALM' for more news items that are not > USA-biased. I am thankful for the internet so I have access to other news > sources that do not try to kiss up to the USA government. Not all of us > are > deceived by the likes of crappy news reporting on USA-based CNN, MSNBC, > FOX, > etc. With that kind of reporting and the USA's love of TV, no wonder the > all > the less educated in the USA support this war, which seems to be the > majority of the USA-population these days. > > PP > > From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 18:50:50 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:20:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:copqu6$22c$1@news.spamcop.net... | Anyone else get one? These people are a huge pain in the ass! They sent one form, | which I back burnered because I'm busy and I have other priorities, with careful | attention to "your response is required by law". Two weeks later, they sent another | form saying "you haven't responded yet. Here's another form. GET BUSY! Your response | is required by law". The next day, there was a message on my answering machine for me | to call them.....I didn't bother, but jesus, why so aggressive, and what are they | going to do with the intrusive information that now includes way more personal | information that I ever wanted to give in the first place? They select a small sample of folk during the off years to build a statistical data base of people/families. Most are a few forms, some are more forms over several weeks, every once in a while they will do a year long study of a family. Happed to me when I was first married but we moved (out of the country for a short time) right as they first contacted us and we managed to avoid telling them when we came back. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 18:56:34 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:20:11 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:copqu6$22c$1@news.spamcop.net... | Anyone else get one? These people are a huge pain in the ass! They sent one form, | which I back burnered because I'm busy and I have other priorities, with careful | attention to "your response is required by law". Two weeks later, they sent another | form saying "you haven't responded yet. Here's another form. GET BUSY! Your response | is required by law". The next day, there was a message on my answering machine for me | to call them.....I didn't bother, but jesus, why so aggressive, and what are they | going to do with the intrusive information that now includes way more personal | information that I ever wanted to give in the first place? Recall the old scientifi process 'GIGO' garbage in garbage out. You are 'required' to tell the truth but how are they to know? From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 19:24:36 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:35:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Appetite (from another group) References: <30nfiiF33tep6U1@uni-berlin.de> <30p7m5F327099U1@uni-berlin.de> <3cb70faf.0411300455.7822c6be@posting.google.com> <8icrd.23985$Mu3.1367732@twister.southeast.rr.com> <3cb70faf.0412010425.213591c9@posting.google.com> <3cb70faf.0412030957.344bfa5e@posting.google.com> Message-ID: My appetite is my shepherd; I always want. It maketh me sit down and stuff myself. It leadeth me to my refrigerator repeatedly. It leadeth me in the path of Burger King for a Whopper. It destroyeth my shape. Yea, though I knoweth I gaineth, I will not stop eating For the food tasteth so good. The ice cream and the cookies, they comfort me. When the table is spread before me, it exciteth me For I knoweth that I sooneth shall dig in. As I filleth my plate continuously, My clothes runneth smaller. Surely bulges and pudgies shall follow me all the days of my life And I shall be "pleasingly plump" forever. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 19:26:08 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:35:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Holiday Advice References: <3cb70faf.0412030843.7a08fe13@posting.google.com> Message-ID: 1. Avoid carrot sticks. Anyone who puts carrots on a holiday buffet table knows nothing of the Christmas spirit. In fact, if you see carrots, leave immediately. Go next door, where they're serving bourbon or rum balls. 2. Drink as much eggnog as you can. And quickly. Like fine single-malt scotch, it's rare. In fact, it's even rarer than single-malt scotch. You can't find it any other time of year but now. So drink up! Who cares that it has 10,000 calories in every sip? It's not as if you're going to turn into an eggnog alcoholic or something. It's a treat. Enjoy it. Have one for me. Have two. It's later than you think. It's Christmas! 3. If something comes with gravy, use it. That's the whole point of gravy. Gravy does not stand alone. Pour it on. Make a volcano out of your mashed potatoes. Fill it with gravy. Eat the volcano. Repeat. 4. As for mashed potatoes, always ask if they're made with skim milk or whole milk. If it's skim, pass. Why bother? It's like buying a sports car with an automatic transmission. 5. Do not have a snack before going to a party in an effort to control your eating. The whole point of going to a Christmas party is to eat other people's food for free. Lots of it. Hello? 6. Under no circumstances should you exercise between now and New Year's. You can do that in January when you have nothing else to do. This is the time for long naps, which you'll need after circling the buffet table while carrying a 10-pound plate of food and that vat of eggnog. 7. If you come across something really good at a buffet table, like frosted Christmas cookies in the shape and size of Santa, position yourself near them and don't budge. Have as many as you can before becoming the center of attention. They're like a beautiful pair of shoes. If you leave them behind, you're never going to see them again. 8. Same for pies. Apple. Pumpkin. Mincemeat. Have a slice of each. Or, if you don't like mincemeat, have two apples and one pumpkin. Always have three. When else do you get to have more than one dessert? Labor Day? 9. Did someone mention fruitcake? Granted, it's loaded with the mandatory celebratory calories, but avoid it at all cost. I mean, have some standards. 10. One final tip: If you don't feel terrible when you leave the party or get up from the table, you haven't been paying attention. Reread tips; start over, but hurry, January is just around the corner. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 19:46:16 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Dec 3 19:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Kerry - tea question Message-ID: Do you like lapsang souchong? I was intriqued by the 'smoky' description, so I bought some Twinings (the only kind I could find). They're not kidding....it smells like a house fire that's been smouldering for two days. I managed to get it past my nose, but I'm not sure I'd go back for more. Yeuchhhh.... Back to my Bigelows Vanilla Caramel... From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 20:48:56 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 20:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Unclear on the whole civil rights thing Message-ID: >From today's South Florida Sun-Sentinel: > Resident sues Bay Harbor to include nativity scene in holiday display > > A Bay Harbor Islands resident has asked a federal court to compel the town in > northeast Miami-Dade County to include a nativity scene in its holiday > decorations. > > Sondra Snowdon, who last year went on a three-month fast to protest the lack > of a Christian holiday display in her community, claimed in a federal lawsuit > that the town violated her civil rights. The suit, filed Wednesday in U.S. > District Court in Miami, names the town, City Manager Greg Tindle and Mayor > Isaac Salver as defendants. > > Town Attorney Craig B. Sherman seemed confident the town would prevail. > > "All the town's holiday decorations are in compliance with applicable law," > he said. > > The decoration debate started in 2001, when town leaders agreed to put up six > Stars of David and a giant menorah next to the toll bridge over the Broad > Causeway, after some Jewish residents requested them. Two years later, > Snowdon complained that the holiday decorations were one-sided, and she > started fasting to persuade town leaders to also put up Christian > decorations. > > Snowdon also sought help from the Thomas More Law Center in Michigan, which > defends Christian beliefs. In October, Snowdon marched into the Town > Council's chambers and once again asked them to put up four nativity scene > banners. Cities are entitled to put up decorations as long as it doesn't > appear they are endorsing one religion, said attorney Richard Thompson, also > with the Michigan law center. But in this case Bay Harbor Islands officials > "were clearly expressing a favoritism for Judaism," he said. or -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 20:53:15 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 20:55:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Ex-CIA chief wants government control of Internet Message-ID: >From the Moonie UPI via the Moonie Times: > Tenet calls for Internet security > > By Shaun Waterman > UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL > > Former CIA Director George J. Tenet yesterday called for new security > measures to guard against attacks on the United States that use the Internet, > which he called "a potential Achilles' heel." > > "I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we > still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or > accountability," he told an information-technology security conference in > Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and > control." > > The former CIA director said telecommunications ? and specifically the > Internet ? are a back door through which terrorists and other enemies of > the United States could attack the country, even though great strides > have been made in securing the physical infrastructure. > > The Internet "represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial > stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not > protected," Mr. Tenet said.... > > Access to networks like the World Wide Web might need to be limited to > those who can show they take security seriously, he said. > > Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by "establishing and > enforcing" security standards. Products need to be delivered to > government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and > risk management already built in." > > The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were > excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Dec 3 22:15:09 2004 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Dec 3 22:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: In article , "Peter Pepper" wrote: > Why don't any USA news orgs report on this? Not one USA-based news > organization has said a word. The San Diego Union-Tribune did a story on it in August of last year: -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 03:56:57 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:cor1iv$rjn$1@news.spamcop.net... > Do you like lapsang souchong? I was intriqued by the 'smoky' description, > so I bought some Twinings (the only kind I could find). They're not > kidding....it smells like a house fire that's been smouldering for two days. > I managed to get it past my nose, but I'm not sure I'd go back for more. > Yeuchhhh.... Back to my Bigelows Vanilla Caramel... > > Ah...a tea conversation, mind if I but in? I used to always buy Twinings, it used to be very good, however, I've noticed over the last couple of years the quality has gone down drastically. You can now hardly taste any bergamot in their Earl Grey tea and they seem to be using a poor tea for it to, very powdery, sort of sweepings up. Their Lapsang Whatapong seems to have gone down hill too. And Wagon Wheels are definitely smaller, it's been confirmed. :-( Rob From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 04:01:38 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:05:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-82CB2D.18071603122004@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Rob" wrote: > > > My friends mother who also has this card signed up for on line shopping with > > them. When you enter your loyalty card number bingo, they know all your > > favourite products and suggest what you would like. > > If you shop online, they're going to know all that stuff with or without > the card. > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream > will never die." Sure, but, this was before they shopped on line, it was already in the data bank. From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 23:12:51 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Rob" wrote in message news:corctp$30i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ah...a tea conversation, mind if I but in? I used to always buy Twinings, > it used to be very good, however, I've noticed over the last couple of years > the quality has gone down drastically. You can now hardly taste any > bergamot in their Earl Grey tea and they seem to be using a poor tea for it > to, very powdery, sort of sweepings up. Their Lapsang Whatapong seems to > have gone down hill too. And Wagon Wheels are definitely smaller, it's been > confirmed. :-( > Huh...I wouldn't know bergamot if I tasted it, probably, but seeing as I just bought a box of Twinings Earl Grey, I'll let you know. That lapsang souchong is going back, I can't even stand to have it in my kitchen, it smells vile! What are wagon wheels? From me at privacy.net Fri Dec 3 23:14:36 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:20:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Rob" wrote in message news:coqqcv$mu0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Do they still accept cash? > As far as I know - the question is do I ever carry it? Noooooo......... From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 20:36:51 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:40:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:coqj2p$i64$1@news.spamcop.net... > More likely an example of someone who didn't talk to a lawyer, unless > there's a lot more to this story than you're letting on, morpher-boy. > Children are *not* legally responsible for paying off the debts of their > parents when they die. If the estate has insufficient assets to pay off the > creditors, they get nothing. If you're "fighting your Dad's creditors on > your own time and expense", you got no one to blame but yourself for the > mess. I am so glad you're here to tell me all about my legal affairs. Did you get permission from Spamdisplayer to post that? :) From haha at hyuck.woo Fri Dec 3 20:40:00 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: "Peter Pepper" wrote in message news:coqs2r$o48$1@news.spamcop.net... > > PP > They should have used mustard gas. :) From David1 at suescornerweb.com Sat Dec 4 01:06:56 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Sat Dec 4 01:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Check 21, a not so new law Message-ID: I first found this as a notice at my Credit Union for the record David 1 Urban Legends and Folklore Check 21 Netlore Archive: Does a new law called 'Check 21' go into effect on October 28, 2004 which will make floating checks a thing of the past? Description: Email flier Circulating since: Sep. 2004 Status: True Analysis: See below Email example contributed by C. Hickey, 15 Sep. 2004: Subject: FW: Checks As of 28 October it will no longer be possible to float a check. I know that we would never do that, but just in case you know someone who might try please read this. A new law goes into effect on 28 Oct and all checks will be cleared electronically within minutes...even at night, even on weekends. If payday is Monday and you write a check on Saturday assuming it won't clear before your paycheck is in you will be wrong-that check will bounce. And you will be charged overdraft fees. Be aware of what you are doing and the affect it could have on your credit rating or career. Make sure funds are available before you write a check. "Check 21" starting in late October You've probably bought something in a store with a check even though you don't have the money in your account at the time. You figure you have a few days for the check to clear, and by then the money will be there. It's called the "float." Well, the float is slowly becoming a thing of the past. Because of a new law going into effect in October, money will be drafted from your account immediately when you write a check. It's called "Check 21," and it allows retailers to scan your check through a machine that deducts the cash within minutes. It's essentially the end of the paper check system, as well, because the check will eventually be destroyed. There will be an image of the check online and that will serve as proof if you need it. But everything is becoming electronic, and a bank will know if a check is good right away. So, be prepared to move to an electronic bill pay system. It's the smart way to go. What about checks that you deposit? Well, the float is no longer available to you, the customer. But the bank still will hold a deposit for a few days to make sure it clears. It's not fair, but it's the way it's happening. What are the main effects of "Check 21" on consumers? You won't be able to get your original paper checks back, because your bank will no longer have them. Checks you write will clear sooner, increasing the risk that a check will bounce if funds are not in the account when you write the check. Don't write a check unless the funds are already in the account to cover it. " You may not get access to the funds from checks you deposit any sooner, because the new law does not shorten check hold times. After 30 months, there must be a study on whether banks are making funds available to consumers earlier than the allowable hold periods. Banks will save money on processing checks, but banks are not required to share these savings with consumers. Different kinds of copies of a check will have different rights attached. Check 21 creates a new kind of paper copy of an electronic image of a check. This special kind of copy is called a "substitute check." Only a substitute check can be the legal equivalent of the original check, and only a substitute check triggers your right to recredit of disputed funds. A regular copy of a check does not carry these same protections. If you ask for a copy of a check, your bank may send you an ordinary copy instead of this special kind of copy which triggers legal rights and protections unless you ask for a substitute check. "A bank other than your bank will have your original check, and will decide whether to destroy it. Neither Check 21 nor other law requires a bank to keep your original check for any period of time. Before Check 21, your own bank decided how long to keep your original checks, if you didn't get them returned with your statement. Under Check 21, the bank of the person you wrote the check to may decide when to destroy your check. Consumers will get new rights for some electronically processed checks, but not for others. When a so-called "substitute check" is provided to a consumer, Check 21 gives the consumer a right to have funds of up to $2,500 recredited to the consumer's account in 10 business days if the check is paid twice, paid for the wrong amount, or otherwise paid in error. The statute is ambiguous about whether this new right applies when a paper substitute check is used in the processing of the check but is not returned to the consumer. The regulations restrict the right of recredit only to checks where the consumer was provided with a substitute check. If a check is processed electronically by all the banks it is routed through without the use of a substitute check and the consumer is not provided with a substitute check, then the check remains under state check law. In that case, the consumer does not receive a 10 day right of recredit even if the electronic image of the check is paid twice, paid for the wrong amount, or if both the electronic image and the paper check are paid. Consumers who want to maximize their consumer rights should ask for return of "substitute checks" with their checking account statements. Watch out for fees associated with a substitute check-returning account. Look for another bank if your bank charges a high fee to get copies of all your checks as substitute checks. Only the special "substitute check" can be legally equivalent to the original check to prove payment. The copies that a bank sends to consumers under a so-called "voluntary truncation" agreement, where the consumer agrees not to get the checks back, do not prove that a payment has been made, and do not trigger your Check 21 recredit right. When do these changes go into effect? Check 21 becomes effective October 28, 2004. Resources: Check 21: New Law Ends Checking Traditions Bankrate.com, 24 September 2004 Check Clearing for the 21st Century Act Federal Reserve Board Frequently Asked Questions About Check 21 Federal Reserve Board How New Electronic Check Law Affects Consumers Consumers Union, 27 July 2004 How Check 21 Will Impact Your Business Entrepreneur.com, 13 September 2004 Email This Article From David1 at suescornerweb.com Sat Dec 4 01:08:48 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Sat Dec 4 01:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:coqhvo$h7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>For myself, I'm pretty resistant to the whole thing and I'm sure >>marketers hate me. I need very few things and if there is something I >>need, I'll seek it out and do the research on my own and mistrust most >>advertising. I worry about the coming generation of children who are >>growing up with all of this. They spend their day, even in school, >>being bombarded with commercial messages. It is scary to see just how >>in tune and how much kids have been effected by all of this. We are >>creating generations of mindless consumers. > > > I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor > them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not > just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty > self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have > to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and > of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top > it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts > the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no > more float. EL SUCKO.... > > Ummm, I wouldn't try floating anymore checks if I were you, My credit Union posted this & I started a new topic the subject is "Check 21, a not so new law" You might want to give it a look see From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri Dec 3 22:16:56 2004 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Sat Dec 4 01:20:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Do you like lapsang souchong? I was intriqued by the 'smoky' description, > so I bought some Twinings (the only kind I could find). They're not > kidding....it smells like a house fire that's been smouldering for two days. > I managed to get it past my nose, but I'm not sure I'd go back for more. > Yeuchhhh.... Back to my Bigelows Vanilla Caramel... I know I am am not Kerry, but try the Twinings Russian Caravan.... From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Sat Dec 4 00:13:42 2004 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Sat Dec 4 03:15:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>"Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." > > Yes, that is the quote, but what is the implication? ;) Parsing this as a statement of condemnation is beyond me. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 4 15:42:30 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Dec 4 10:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:corlet$7ko$1@news.spamcop.net... > sk1w1 wrote: >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Do you like lapsang souchong? I was intriqued by the 'smoky' >>> description, >>> so I bought some Twinings (the only kind I could find). They're not >>> kidding....it smells like a house fire that's been smouldering for two >>> days. >>> I managed to get it past my nose, but I'm not sure I'd go back for more. >>> Yeuchhhh.... Back to my Bigelows Vanilla Caramel... >> >> I know I am am not Kerry, but try the Twinings Russian Caravan.... > > If she hates the Lapsang, I'm assuming that she is going to hate Russian > Caravan too. It is also smoky and pretty strong. > > I have been wondering about Twinings for a while. Like the one that is my > favorite, the Prince of Wales tea, even that one seemed like I was liking > it less each time I bought it. I wondered if my taste was just changing, > but it sounds like the company is cutting costs. That seems to fit with > what I've noticed about its taste changing in the last few years. Urrghhh! Give me PG Tips any day. Can't stand all that scented/perfumed stuff. Just give me my caffeine and tannin fix - that's all I want! From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 4 11:40:58 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Dec 4 11:55:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: <41B1E89A.C9AC136@spamcop.net> "Mr K. Mean" wrote: [...] > >>>Anyone else get one? > >> > >> Where do you live? It was my understanding that in the USA, the > >>census is only taken once every ten years. I could be wrong, and you > >>could be out of the USA... > > > > I live in NH......maybe they only do some people every few years? > > It sounds weird to me. As far as I know, the next one is due in 2010 > and the results from 2000 have long been published. What's the address > and phone number for these people. I wonder if it is some sort of weird > scam, identity theft or something. [...] Some states take (or, at least, used to take) their own census on the half-decades, so a 2005 state census would not be unusual. There may be info on the NH website at . -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 4 11:45:14 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Dec 4 11:55:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: <41B1E99A.1016AB2B@spamcop.net> Tim McGraw wrote: [...] > IIRC, Census can only sell aggregated data - no personal information > that can be traced to an individual can be sold. > > At least, that's the way it used to be. Non-aggregate data is available to the public after 72 years. All of the still-available census data from 1930 and prior is available to the public. Data from more recent census records are available to blood relatives. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 17:01:49 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:cordqf$3fr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Rob" wrote in message > news:coqqcv$mu0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Do they still accept cash? > > > As far as I know - the question is do I ever carry it? Noooooo......... > > LOL. Is it true that there are places in the US that will not accept cash only cards so as to verify your identity etc.? From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 17:08:11 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:15:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:corm56$7ul$1@news.spamcop.net... > Heidi wrote: > > "Rob" wrote in message > > news:corctp$30i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >>Ah...a tea conversation, mind if I but in? I used to always buy Twinings, > >>it used to be very good, however, I've noticed over the last couple of > > years > >>the quality has gone down drastically. You can now hardly taste any > >>bergamot in their Earl Grey tea and they seem to be using a poor tea for > > it > >>to, very powdery, sort of sweepings up. Their Lapsang Whatapong seems to > >>have gone down hill too. And Wagon Wheels are definitely smaller, it's > > been > >>confirmed. :-( > > > > Huh...I wouldn't know bergamot if I tasted it, probably, but seeing as I > > just bought a box of Twinings Earl Grey, I'll let you know. That lapsang > > souchong is going back, I can't even stand to have it in my kitchen, it > > smells vile! > > > > What are wagon wheels? > > Ahh, wagon wheels. What a scandal. > http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=64 > > I seem to have become allergic to bergamot in the past few years, so I > can't drink Earl Grey anymore, so I can't comment on its declining quality. LOL...you shouldn't be allergic to the Twinings brand :-) From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 17:12:03 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:15:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:corlet$7ko$1@news.spamcop.net... > sk1w1 wrote: > > Heidi wrote: > > > >> Do you like lapsang souchong? I was intriqued by the 'smoky' > >> description, > >> so I bought some Twinings (the only kind I could find). They're not > >> kidding....it smells like a house fire that's been smouldering for two > >> days. > >> I managed to get it past my nose, but I'm not sure I'd go back for more. > >> Yeuchhhh.... Back to my Bigelows Vanilla Caramel... > > > > I know I am am not Kerry, but try the Twinings Russian Caravan.... > > If she hates the Lapsang, I'm assuming that she is going to hate Russian > Caravan too. It is also smoky and pretty strong. > > I have been wondering about Twinings for a while. Like the one that is > my favorite, the Prince of Wales tea, even that one seemed like I was > liking it less each time I bought it. I wondered if my taste was just > changing, but it sounds like the company is cutting costs. That seems > to fit with what I've noticed about its taste changing in the last few > years. It wasn't until I tried the Tescos and Sainsbury's own brands that I realised how much Twinings had gone down hill. I thought I was loosing my taste too. Jacksons is also excellent. From hee.haw at jack.ass Sat Dec 4 12:19:19 2004 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Citywide Philly Wi-Fi Net Saved, For Now References: Message-ID: I'd rather just get free cheesesteaks... -- I made magic once. Now the sofa is gone. http://www.dwacon.com From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 09:32:59 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:35:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] oh joy Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4064629.stm I imagine K Meanie is quite happy about this if he's banking any dollars! I, on the other hand, am about to go to the UK for 10 days and it's going to cost a bloody fortune. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 09:49:09 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 12:50:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check 21, a not so new law References: Message-ID: "David 1" wrote in message news:corkhn$741$1@news.spamcop.net... > I first found this as a notice at my Credit Union for the record > > David 1 > > Urban Legends and Folklore > Check 21 > Netlore Archive: Does a new law called 'Check 21' go into effect on > October 28, 2004 which will make floating checks a thing of the past? > > Description: Email flier > Circulating since: Sep. 2004 > Status: True > Analysis: See below Seems to me it's all a big scam on the part of the banks. They get to keep your money when you deposit a check but take it immediately when you write one yourself. Where is there any fairness in that system? but then who said banking should be fair... it's only OUR money after all... why should we get to have it? I don't write checks anyway so it doesn't affect me but I can imagine it's going to really cause a lot of problems for some people, especially at first. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 09:58:11 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 13:00:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:coqic2$hbc$1@news.spamcop.net... > We were just talking about this in the office today, being tracked everywhere you > go, it's becoming very intrustive. I'm still creeped out when I call somewhere and > they answer me by name from their caller ID. Is that only if you call an 800 number? If it's happening at other times, get your number delisted so it won't show up on caller ID info. I find the whole notion of the census you describe to be rather disturbing. They're asking for way too much personal information. I can only imagine what the government will do with all this information. Like a kid in a candy store, they won't know where to start first. Do you have to sign the form and swear as to the truth of your answers? If not, I'd do a liberal amount of lying. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 09:59:51 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 13:00:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:coqjtk$ir7$1@news.spamcop.net... > I got all pissed off at CVS who would advertise sale prices, but would only honor > them if you had an Extra Care Card. I won't get one, I figure a sale is a sale, not > just for people they can gather information from, so I go elsewhere. Feeling pretty > self righteous too until I realized that in order to write a check at Shaw's you have > to have a "Shaw's" card. which gets scanned and then can track your purchases....and > of course you only get their 'Rewards' prices if you have a card....grr. And to top > it all off they installed the equipment in the new store that automatically deducts > the amount from your account and they hand you back your check right there, so no > more float. EL SUCKO.... Depends on what info they want in order to get the card. One store wanted a SSN. Like yeah really... I'm gonna give you my ssn! Some want barely any info at all and I'm quite happy to get those to get the discounts. You can always lie when applying for those store cards, rather like signing up for something online. From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 10:42:35 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 13:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ex-CIA chief wants government control of Internet References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-B84D84.20531503122004@news.cesmail.net... > > ... > > networks like the World Wide Web > > ... (*scratches head*) :) From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID Sat Dec 4 11:33:00 2004 From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR) Date: Sat Dec 4 14:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: oh joy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > The US better be careful or the Asian countries (who already hold about > 40% as it is) just might stop showing up at the Treasury auctions and > put there money in something less sinking. Or at least demand higher > interest rates. Neither seems like it would be very good. Unless you're trying to buy a house in California, and waiting for something (anything...) to serve as a catalyst to pop the real estate bubble. In my neighborhood nothing seems to be moving right now - quite a few houses (including the one next door) have been on the market for several months now with no takers. I interpret that as a good sign. :-) -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George W. Bush 8/5/04 From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:02:33 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:05:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ex-CIA chief wants government control of Internet References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > From the Moonie UPI via the Moonie Times: > >> Tenet calls for Internet security >> >> By Shaun Waterman >> UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL >> >> Former CIA Director George J. Tenet yesterday called for new security >> measures to guard against attacks on the United States that use the >> Internet, which he called "a potential Achilles' heel." That's why he's "Ex-DCI:" You can't believe what he says. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:12:03 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:15:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: Peter Pepper wrote: > Napalm was globally outlawed in 1980. The USA is the only country > that still > uses it. So who really owns and uses WMDs? The USA. "Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets." http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0805-01.htm What the US uses is not classic "Napalm." The current "crispy-critter" munition uses kerosene instead of gasoline and is a little light on the benzene. The new stuff just doesn't smell the same in the morning. > > Why don't any USA news orgs report on this? Not one USA-based news > organization has said a word. Because it's not newsworthy? From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:15:00 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:15:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> Anyone else get one? > > Where do you live? It was my understanding that in the USA, the > census is only taken once every ten years. I could be wrong, and you > could be out of the USA... The Bureau of the Census does mini-censuses(?) all the time. For example, various federal grants, aids, etc. are annually disbursed based on population and the Census Bureau is charged with keeping population totals (by state, county, city) as up-to-date as is statistically possible. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:17:51 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > So it is just me, that this, national id cards, the rest of that, it > all seems to be run like corporate databases. There is no national id card (in the US), nor is one being proposed. HR11 proposes standards for state-issued drivers' licenses, but that's the only sense in which it's national. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:26:36 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:30:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: LaughingBoy wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete-DBC4E8.21475402122004@news.cesmail.net... >> In article , > >> Why's that? I'm a fairly new Amex cardholder and am always curious >> when >> it comes to other people's discontent with a company. > > They pulled an insurance scam by sending me my fathers credit card > bills when he died. Knowing that I would rather [insert profanity and > threats here] than give them a penny (and told them so on the phone), > they sent it to collection - so now they get it back via insurance, > and leave me to fight with the creditors on my own time and expense. > Just another sick tactic from another tyrannical corporation. If your father owed Amex money and you are the administrator or executor of the estate, you are obligated to discharge the estate's debts, assuming sufficient assets exist. If the estate is incapable of discharging the debts, you are obligated to so inform the creditors and have the probate court nullify the debt. Amex should not get stiffed just because the card-holder died. And you could have avoided all the grief by declining the administratorship of your father's estate. > > Credit companies are more foul than the pharmaceutical industry, in my > opinion. Amex just happens to be at the top of the (my) sleaze list - > but it's a long list. Sorry you feel that way. Your dad evidently liked the company. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:29:50 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:30:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry Supporters Mentally Ill References: Message-ID: LaughingBoy wrote: >> Since all of the afflicted live in Palm Beach County, I suspect it's >> something in the environment. > > ROFL! > > You havta love how they slipped this item into the list of teary-eyed > reasons for therapy... > > Now that they see marriage is an issue which cost them votes, they are > putting on their priest and nun costumes and using marriage/family as > an arguing point (just as I [and I'm sure most] knew they would), as > if people will not see right through them in 2008. I can just hear > Hilary(ous) now... > > "We want you, the people, to know how deeply concerned we democrats > are - > about the degradation of the American family by the Republican party. > Republicans have ruined marriage in this country and have taken the > institution to new lows." <-- that is exactly the kind of moronic, > infant-targeting spew that you can expect from the democratic party > in three years. Not only. In comparing the Democrats with the rest of the electorate as a domestic-breakup metaphor, one wag, in commenting on the Democrats new embrace of religion, said the technique is similar to the scorned partner ruminating: "If I get a hairpiece, maybe she'll come back." From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:32:57 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:35:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > David Dean wrote: >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> The reason these shows have gay people in them is to appeal to the >>> gay population. Seems they have no problem doing that in order to >>> attract advertisers. I smell hypocrisy. >> >> The point isn't that there are openly gay people in the ads, it is >> that the ads are implying something more controversial, "We let gay >> people worship with us, why don't you?" This crosses the line between >> allowing something, and condemning something. > > "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." We don't know Jesus did not turn people away - except the money-changers in the Temple, of course. And when he told his followers to leave their families and join him. And just a few other places. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:35:41 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:40:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: David 1 wrote: > Unfortunately here lately it doesn't seem to matter what the > Constitution says, they can pass anything they want & we are stuck > with it until it gets overturned which can take years or at lest that's > the > way I understand it or see in the news the very little I watch the > news. You're right. Many people don't realize that ANY law passed by a legislative body is PRESUMED to be constitutional until overturned by a court. That means that the Congress cannot, by definition, pass an unconstitutional law. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 14:39:34 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:40:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... References: Message-ID: David 1 wrote: >> > Ok so I shouldn't have said formula, But Human nature dictates one > of 2 things is going to happen If J. Q. Public in general starts to > carry (whether legal or not) a Weapon & also assuming that J. Q. > Public took the time to learn how & when to use the damn thing, Joe > Crook going to think twice about just going up to any one. It's human > nature, Joe wants to live to spend it, John/Jane Q Public worked damn > hard (or legally stole it) & doesn't want to lose it to Joe just > cause he got a gun. It's verified. A study of crime in all 3050 counties in the US showed that where concealed carry goes up, crimes against person goes down (interestingly, crimes against property (car theft, burglary) go up). > As someone posted before about the NRA statement. > If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns! Well then I > guess I'm an outlaw based on that statement cause they ain't taking > my old .357 end of story. I hope so. They took the guns away from everyone in New York City without complaint. They took (some types of) guns away from the citizens of California and no one shot back. From David1 at suescornerweb.com Sat Dec 4 15:52:47 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Sat Dec 4 15:55:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yeah, we're safer now.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > David 1 wrote: > >>Ok so I shouldn't have said formula, But Human nature dictates one >>of 2 things is going to happen If J. Q. Public in general starts to >>carry (whether legal or not) a Weapon & also assuming that J. Q. >>Public took the time to learn how & when to use the damn thing, Joe >>Crook going to think twice about just going up to any one. It's human >>nature, Joe wants to live to spend it, John/Jane Q Public worked damn >>hard (or legally stole it) & doesn't want to lose it to Joe just >>cause he got a gun. > > > It's verified. A study of crime in all 3050 counties in the US showed that > where concealed carry goes up, crimes against person goes down > (interestingly, crimes against property (car theft, burglary) go up). > Yup, on car theft (NOT LEGAL TO DO) can be arranged to blow up, Burglary Now that's a fun one to set traps for, Much easier to do if no family though. > >>As someone posted before about the NRA statement. >>If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns! Well then I >>guess I'm an outlaw based on that statement cause they ain't taking >>my old .357 end of story. > > > I hope so. They took the guns away from everyone in New York City without > complaint. They took (some types of) guns away from the citizens of > California and no one shot back. > > > I won't shoot a badge doing his job, I might punch & kick & bite to get away, but I won't shoot a badge. Either way they ain't getting it. At lest not while I'm conscious ! David 1 From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 13:45:03 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 16:45:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:coqgvr$gbu$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Morbedly Obese" I might agree with you on -- but 50-60 lbs overweight? No > frigging way. How did Oprah go from 300+ lbs to whatever if it's cause by a > disease? What about Jared the Subway boy? The list of just celebrities is > endless, let alone average humans. I'd say that a good number of the morbidly obese are also that way due to laziness and overeating. But the thing is that overeating for some people is normal eating for others and of course it's unfair but if that's what your body needs you should adjust it accordingly. It's eating habits like fast food for breakfast, lunch and even dinner that have helped the epidemic we're currently seeing. But not everyone gets way too heavy due to such habits. It's a very complicated issue. > Define "weight problem". My weight has varied around 200 lbs +15/-15 lbs for > at least 15-20 years. And at the upper end, I get a big ol' belly, and it's > from a lack of exercise and poor eating habits -- and I'd keep getting > fatter if I didn't crack down on myself, which I always do. And according to > those stupid height/weight charts even at 190 lbs (where I look and feel my > best) I'm still "officially" 10-15 lbs overweight (by their standards). My husband has just gone from 245lb to 175lb due to hard work and eating right. Supposedly his ideal weight is 166 but I think he's just about right now, in some areas he's a little too thin IMO. It's hard of course because you can't pick and choose where the weight will sit so he's lost too much in some areas and not enough in others. He feels the cold much more now than he used to so he's gonna have a hard time in England this year. He got overweight due to eating chocolate and drinking too much soda and beer and not doing enough of the right kind of exercise (he was never a couch potato). His diet otherwise was fairly good but his metabolism had probably slowed somewhat and that contributed to how he got to where he was. While he was quite overweight I wouldn't say he ever really was obese though because he did have a good muscle base so he was technically probably only 'overweight'. He dropped the weight pretty quickly (6 months) after being taught how to do it. It's much easier to control when you're within just a few pounds of your ideal weight - you can adjust the input and output accordingly on a daily or weekly basis. I haven't yet read the rest of the thread but I'd tend to agree with the subject line. You can be overweight and fit and healthy. Not so sure about the obese part but I suppose that's also true. He was always fit and healthy. I think thin people are more likely to succumb to a lot of illnesses (ie borderline underweight, especially if they don't exercise and eat right). From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:07:21 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:coot8f$gmf$1@news.spamcop.net... > That's pretty disgusting alright. I imagine that's why I see (on the news) > townships in the states thwarting efforts to build Wal-Mart stores in their > areas. If only people would look at the whole picture. They don't realise that the cheap (whatever) that they're buying in Wal Mart is actually costing them more, whether they buy it or not, because of the costs imposed on the economy by those underpaid workers. > > It's really too bad that people don't take that much more seriously... and > take a little responsibility by not buying the stuff in those stores. The > world really needs a huge web site that lists the origins of all of the > products sold in stores like Wal-Mart. A tough job that would be... but at > least the people who walk out with their goods in hand wouldn't have the > excuse "I didn't notice that the label said 'Made Proudly by Slaves' on it." Are you kidding? It's 99% Chinese, there's no mystery about it. It's cheap because the Chinese don't earn very much because their cost of living is still very low. But that will change and there will be upward pressure. > PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take out Amex > first, please? Personal reasons. Why, what happened? I've always had great experiences with Amex. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:12:08 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:15:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cop1f5$jcc$1@news.spamcop.net... > They pulled an insurance scam by sending me my fathers credit card bills > when he died. Knowing that I would rather [insert profanity and threats > here] than give them a penny (and told them so on the phone), they sent it > to collection - so now they get it back via insurance, and leave me to fight > with the creditors on my own time and expense. Just another sick tactic from > another tyrannical corporation. How can you be liable for your father's credit card bills? that's just absurd! If the situation is that his bills should have been settled out of his estate and weren't.... well then I'd say they have a case. But if there was no estate... what does it have to do with you? It's not like it was a spouse. You presumably didn't co-sign on anything? From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:15:15 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:15:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Rob" wrote in message news:corctp$30i$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ah...a tea conversation, mind if I but in? I used to always buy Twinings, > it used to be very good, however, I've noticed over the last couple of years > the quality has gone down drastically. You can now hardly taste any > bergamot in their Earl Grey tea and they seem to be using a poor tea for it > to, very powdery, sort of sweepings up. Their Lapsang Whatapong seems to > have gone down hill too. And Wagon Wheels are definitely smaller, it's been > confirmed. :-( I always hated Wagon Wheels. I don't know if they have real chocolate on them now but they definitely didn't when I was a kid. GROSS From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:17:27 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:20:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Kerry - tea question References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:cordn6$3fa$1@news.spamcop.net... > What are wagon wheels? A 'chocolate' coated marshmallow thingy with a sort of graham cracker layer. They're gross. They used to be about 3" across if memory serves me, no idea how big they are now. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:26:08 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:25:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I use inkjet paper in a laser printer? References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-66F249.18032102122004@news.cesmail.net... > My old inkjet printer died recently, and someone was kind enough to give > me a used laser printer (Apple LaserWriter IIf). I still have half a > ream of Staples inkjet paper. Would I be damaging anything if I used > that paper in the LaserWriter, or should I wait until I can buy some > laser paper? > > I've Googled the question, but found contradictory information. > > Thanks for any help. If it's ordinary paper (ie not for photos or other fancy stuff) you've got nothing to worry about. It's anything that may melt that can cause problems because lasers are very hot. I've got one of each and I use the same paper in both for 'ordinary' things but wouldn't put labels/photo paper for the inkjet into the laser. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 4 22:24:33 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cot5mg$2kt$1@news.spamcop.net... > Peter Pepper wrote: >> Napalm was globally outlawed in 1980. The USA is the only country >> that still >> uses it. So who really owns and uses WMDs? The USA. > > "Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be > inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military > forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible > civilian targets." Well of course not! You have to remember with the US it's "do as we tell you" not "follow our fine example". > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0805-01.htm > > What the US uses is not classic "Napalm." The current "crispy-critter" > munition uses kerosene instead of gasoline and is a little light on the > benzene. > > The new stuff just doesn't smell the same in the morning. I'm sure that will be very comforting to the victims...... > >> >> Why don't any USA news orgs report on this? Not one USA-based news >> organization has said a word. > > Because it's not newsworthy? Because they don't want their public to know what they're *really* doing in their name......?? From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:28:41 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:30:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:colkhd$asv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4051553.stm > > > > What fun! Let's all log on LOL > > It's been hacked and DDoSed. > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/0,2000061744,39168558,00.htm Actually, the screensaver was disabled, is what I heard because so many people were using it to wreak revenge. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:29:16 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:30:17 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this does concern the S word but... References: <41AE3334.70E6DA29@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:colkgh$amr$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Tim McGraw wrote: > > > >>> Gee, I wasn't aware that SpamCop had a list of spamvertised sites. ;-) > > > >>http://mailsc.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress;type=www > >> > >>Since this is .social and this has been discussed in .spamcop, f-ups set. > > > > I don't go there... hence posting it here. > > Hey, ain't no thang to me... but expect to "go there" with others! Ah let em complain LOL. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 4 22:26:53 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:30:22 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Networks refuse to run church ad welcoming all References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cot6tn$3f5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Tim McGraw wrote: >> David Dean wrote: >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> The reason these shows have gay people in them is to appeal to the >>>> gay population. Seems they have no problem doing that in order to >>>> attract advertisers. I smell hypocrisy. >>> >>> The point isn't that there are openly gay people in the ads, it is >>> that the ads are implying something more controversial, "We let gay >>> people worship with us, why don't you?" This crosses the line between >>> allowing something, and condemning something. >> >> "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." > > We don't know Jesus did not turn people away - except the money-changers > in the Temple, of course. And when he told his followers to leave their > families and join him. And just a few other places. Well, of course, as none of us was there, *no-one* actually *knows* what was or wasn't said/done by whom when/where.... All we have is heresay.... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 4 22:31:56 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:cotcav$6v9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "LaughingBoy" wrote in message > news:coot8f$gmf$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take out Amex >> first, please? Personal reasons. > > Why, what happened? I've always had great experiences with Amex. > > Well, a lot of places here won't accept Amex because they're too greedy on the % they skim off. .... Like 3+ times what the CC companies charge. As profit margins decrease, it becomes more and more impossible to carry that sort of rake-off! From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:37:39 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:40:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-F58F13.18180230112004@news.cesmail.net... > > I'm *not* dismissing the idea, I'm dismissing what I think you are trying to > > claim -- that the majority of obese people in this country are not > > responsible for their being overweight. That's being an enabler IMO. > > Define "responsible" in this context. > -- They put the food in their mouths and do insufficient exercise. Nobody is standing over them forcing the food down or stopping them going out and exercising. If you have an underlying reason for being overweight (ie you can't physically exercise or have a thyroid problem) then that is something out of your control. Assuming that you are not physically afflicted then you are responsible for your own health. Many people are simply greedy and lazy. Some are genetically predisposed to gain weight but they need to learn to adjust instead of just ignoring the problem. Parents are often enablers and thus get a child off to a bad start where it becomes extremely difficult to lose weight because a) they've never learned how to eat properly/exercise right for their own body type and b) they've already become very overweight and so have a mountain to climb just to get back to position zero. From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sat Dec 4 22:40:11 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:40:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ex-CIA chief wants government control of Internet References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-B84D84.20531503122004@news.cesmail.net... > From the Moonie UPI via the Moonie Times: > > > Tenet calls for Internet security > > > > By Shaun Waterman > > UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL > > > > Former CIA Director George J. Tenet yesterday called for new security > > measures to guard against attacks on the United States that use the Internet, > > which he called "a potential Achilles' heel." > > > > "I know that these actions will be controversial in this age when we > > still think the Internet is a free and open society with no control or > > accountability," he told an information-technology security conference in > > Washington, "but ultimately the Wild West must give way to governance and > > control." > > > > The former CIA director said telecommunications ‹ and specifically the > > Internet ‹ are a back door through which terrorists and other enemies of > > the United States could attack the country, even though great strides > > have been made in securing the physical infrastructure. > > > > The Internet "represents a potential Achilles' heel for our financial > > stability and physical security if the networks we are creating are not > > protected," Mr. Tenet said.... > > > > Access to networks like the World Wide Web might need to be limited to > > those who can show they take security seriously, he said. > > > > Mr. Tenet called for industry to lead the way by "establishing and > > enforcing" security standards. Products need to be delivered to > > government and private-sector customers "with a new level of security and > > risk management already built in." > > > > The national press, including United Press International (UPI), were > > excluded from yesterday's event, at Mr. Tenet's request, organizers said. > > > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream > will never die." Sounds like it's time to start work on planing an alternative Internet...or back to basics like at the beginning of it. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:43:47 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:45:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-D52EBB.17020130112004@news.cesmail.net... > I have relatives and a number of friends who struggle with weight issues > and eating disorders. I've done a lot of reading on the subject. The > problem is complex, and it's simplistic and insulting to say that the > obese eat too much, or lack self-control. It's not that so much, they're just not doing it right. They're looking for an easy fix and there is no easy fix. You have to work hard and you have to change your habits for the rest of your life, not look at it as some short term thing that you can end when you reach a goal. > Did you know that there are studies showing that the obese do not > consume significantly more calories than the non-obese? That in other > studies subjects on the same limited number of calories experience > widely varying results, some losing less than half the amount of weight > expected? If you cut calories and do nothing else, you WILL NOT lose fat. You will lose muscle mass and retain the fat (eventually you'll lose fat but you'll have less muscle than when you began and if you start eating 'normally' again you're just gonna pile the weight on faster). You will drive down your metabolism and your percentage of lean body mass to fat will worsen, thus making you more likely to gain weight. What to do? Eat as many calories as your body needs daily if you didn't do anything. Then exercise to give you a net deficit of calories. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 14:45:13 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:45:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: One gulp, and Bush was gone References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns95AD9E41ED121johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "JerryMouse" wrote in news:co8apb$85f$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > No doubt Bush was uncomfortable in a presidential library with an > > adults-only section. > > Yeah, glad you finally realize he can only handle the children's section. ROFL and he even has trouble with that... holds them upside down From johnl at spamcop.net Sat Dec 4 22:49:37 2004 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Dec 4 17:50:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: One gulp, and Bush was gone References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:cotei0$859$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns95AD9E41ED121johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... >> "JerryMouse" wrote in news:co8apb$85f$1 >> @news.spamcop.net: >> >> > No doubt Bush was uncomfortable in a presidential library with an >> > adults-only section. >> >> Yeah, glad you finally realize he can only handle the children's >> section. > > ROFL and he even has trouble with that... holds them upside down > > > Well, he would never hold a child of mine. I don't trust him, he has those pedo type of eyes. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:01:22 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:00:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:co38th$94j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:co31fh$4hq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Oh joy... let's be beholden to the Saudis, the Chinese and whoever else > > 'owns' us these days. > > Those two, among others: > http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/charts/2004/packet_debtlimitfloorstmt111704.pdf That is depressing and scary. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:07:45 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:10:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" wrote in message news:co3ce5$b37$1@news.spamcop.net... > Welfare (personal and corporate) are big problems. Why should I support > some loser that refuses to work and I don't even know? And no, I'm not a > cold hearted bastard, if someone needs help, I'll give it. But that should > be my choice, not government's. Likewise, why are my taxes going to support > failing or failed businesses? Enron, WorldCom, airlines, etc, etc., I'm > self employed, and you can be damn sure I'll never get bailed out....and I > wouldn't want to anyway. If they are refusing to work, they shouldn't be getting Welfare. If they can't work they should have a guaranteed support system. It should be all or mostly 'workfare' rather than just a handout. Even the disabled can do work of some type so I don't see why they shouldn't. But it also shouldn't be up to the individual to provide for the unfortunate because the individual in this country has proven himself to be mostly selfish. Indeed there should be no reason why government would pay to support big business. Or if they did do that then that same business should be made to pay back everything and more when they recover or if their assets are sold in a closure. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:08:51 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:10:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Things to Do Before the Inaugural... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:co3f4v$cnu$1@news.spamcop.net... > | In a state like California, coastal and with lots of sunshine, there > should > | be far more use made of wind, solar and wave energy. Anything else just > | doesn't make sense. > > Like in the NE they don;t want to spoil the view or they're concerned that > the windmill will kill some seagulls. I should think more critters are killed by various pollutants than by flying into a windmill! From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:11:22 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:10:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cameras hidden in clocks in a hospital References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:co3gc3$dgt$3@news.spamcop.net... > Available in some parts of the USA for ~ $50 per month. heh, just as I thought From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:12:27 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:15:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Things to Do Before the Inaugural... References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-B22D8B.21351624112004@news.cesmail.net... > Sure it does--there's no money in it for the energy industry, so by > definition they aren't feasible. Of course there's money in it. They can still charge for the electricity we use! From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:14:18 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:15:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cameras hidden in clocks in a hospital References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-A18CA6.22084624112004@news.cesmail.net... > > that's what they're called! what is it, a split highway here or something? I > > forget the terminology > > Divided highway, a highway divided down the middle by a barrier that > separates traffic going in different directions. That's the one. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 17:57:30 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:15:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check 21, a not so new law References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > I first found this as a notice at my Credit Union for the record | > | > David 1 | > | > Urban Legends and Folklore | > Check 21 | > Netlore Archive: Does a new law called 'Check 21' go into effect on | > October 28, 2004 which will make floating checks a thing of the past? | > | > Description: Email flier | > Circulating since: Sep. 2004 | > Status: True | > Analysis: See below | | Seems to me it's all a big scam on the part of the banks. They get to keep | your money when you deposit a check but take it immediately when you write | one yourself. Where is there any fairness in that system? but then who said | banking should be fair... it's only OUR money after all... why should we get | to have it? | | I don't write checks anyway so it doesn't affect me but I can imagine it's | going to really cause a lot of problems for some people, especially at | first. Just had a round and round with one of my banks. We deposited cash in the early AM and asked when the money would be available. Immediately was the response. Verified the on line balance and it reflected the deposit. Went shopping that night. Got a notice in the mail that we had an over draft fee. Checked the account and according to the on line system we never had an OD. Called the bank and they 'graciously' refunded the OD as we had not had any other problems. Pressed for an explanation: They ALWAYS debit before they CREDIT (even deposits) and under the new rules they can do so real time. I wonder how many others are being hit this way but given no recourse. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:33:43 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 18:35:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:co4tkh$799$1@news.spamcop.net... > Debt goes up. Debt goes down. It ain't gonna go down any time soon, that's for damn sure. > If we sell more of our stuff abroad, tax revenues go up, along with GDP, and > debt goes down. There are a couple of ways to improve exports: Terrorists > destroy the Airbus manufacturing facilities, Linux is made illegal the world > over, or Iraq buys $200 billion worth of things a year from their best > friend (and I don't mean the French). Unfortunately, the balance of trade is merrily going the wrong way and investment is not flowing into this country either because the dollar isn't worth jacksh1t. Iraq is not going to be buying anything for quite a while, they have far too much rebuilding to do to be able to spend money elsewhere. The reason the government is doing nothing about the weak dollar is possibly because they know that a cheaper dollar means that American workers are relatively cheaper than say their European counterparts and unless foreign companies want to lose US business they're going to take a hit on the exchange rate themselves rather than increase the price of their goods to levels where the relatively low-paid US worker cannot afford them. Rather like where the US attacked Iraq to prevent oil being traded in Euros (that would have a DISASTROUS effect on the US economy) they'll do everything in their power to make sure that other basic commodities are always traded in dollars, thus insulating the US from currency fluctuations. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 15:59:00 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Joe Blow" wrote in message news:co7sue$ulc$1@news.spamcop.net... > Unless YOU are the one paying for them, don't pretend that you're entitled > to any of those benefits. The world owes you nothing that you haven't > earned. Well who said that they didn't pay for them in the past? Obviously if you need the benefit now, you're not paying for it right now. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 16:04:14 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:05:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Principal Fired After Voluntary Whipping References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:co7vna$se$1@news.spamcop.net... > He was a contemporary of MJ, how could MJ have been a role model? And he has > stated time and time again that his role model was his Grandma, who raised > him. Do you thing *all* celebrities should be taken as role models? Why pick > on athletes? Well I picked Michael Jordan because he's a very well known basketball player. Say Magic Johnson instead if you like. I picked on an athlete in this case because that is what Artest is. You could as easily pick on a movie actor and for the same reasons they ought to set a good example BUT they aren't playing sport which by definition is supposed to be a sporting, gentlemanly thing. Just because Artest used his grandmother as a role model (I have no idea if he did or not) does not mean that kids out there now are not looking up to him and emulating him so he ought to bear that in mind before slugging people in the audience. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 16:05:40 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:05:13 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Yo Charles.... Now is= Bloody OE Long thread thingy...... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:co801j$140$1@news.spamcop.net... > What was it, same basic idea but with more thrust? > he he... he said thrust... he he he he he he he he From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 16:12:13 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:15:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "sk1w1" wrote in message news:cobk5g$5b8$1@news.spamcop.net... > However, I am pretty damn certain that I do not exercise enough > ('organized exercise' is so damn boring, but I do ride a bicycle a mile > and a half each way to work every day... not much but something I guess! > :-) ) and I eat 'poorly' (although all my meals are cooked from > scratch, cereal or oatmeal every morning, brown bag it... and literally > can't remember the last time I had fast food - although diners are a > different story - I can still taste that last chicken-fried steak!) exercise more and continue to eat as you do... it's not ideal but you'll be a lot healthier in the long run and still happy cos you're eating what you enjoy From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 16:16:22 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:15:15 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:com0g8$jq6$2@news.spamcop.net... > Many obese folk actually consume fewer calories than you might expect. that is part of the problem... they drive their metabolism down, thus making it harder to lose weight From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 19:04:18 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:20:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: any economists here? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" Even the disabled can do work of some type so I don't see why they shouldn't. Very broad statement. In the majority of cases I've seen it is just not practical for many disabled to work. One key problem I've encountered is that where folk are willing to work they can't do so reliably. Take my neighbor for example. He was let go from a volunteer job. While he was physically and mentally capable to doing the volunteer work he was unable to show up for 'work' consistently do to the underlying medical condition that caused his disability. | Indeed there should be no reason why government would pay to support big | business. Or if they did do that then that same business should be made to | pay back everything and more when they recover or if their assets are sold | in a closure. Bankruptcy laws are set to favor the companies (especially company management). Employees, suppliers and stock holders get it in the neck. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 19:14:02 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:20:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > They pulled an insurance scam by sending me my fathers credit card bills | > when he died. Knowing that I would rather [insert profanity and threats | > here] than give them a penny (and told them so on the phone), they sent it | > to collection - so now they get it back via insurance, and leave me to | fight with the creditors on my own time and expense. Just another sick tactic | from another tyrannical corporation. | | How can you be liable for your father's credit card bills? that's just | absurd! | | If the situation is that his bills should have been settled out of his | estate and weren't.... well then I'd say they have a case. But if there was | no estate... what does it have to do with you? It's not like it was a | spouse. You presumably didn't co-sign on anything? First it does not matter to the CC companies. They usually sell the debts to bottom feeders. Bottom feeders will stoop to any level to collect even to the extent of trying to collect debts that are not valid. (We had a several year long battle over an account that was not ours but ....) FTC is of little help in this regard. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 19:16:28 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:20:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Things to Do Before the Inaugural... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > Sure it does--there's no money in it for the energy industry, so by | > definition they aren't feasible. | | Of course there's money in it. They can still charge for the electricity we | use! Try substituting 'oil' for 'energy' and you may see clearer idea of what's going on. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 16:20:27 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Sat Dec 4 19:20:18 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Things to Do Before the Inaugural... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:co7v45$g9$1@news.spamcop.net... > Not that I'm anti-green, but wind farms are horribly ugly and kill thousands > of birds yearly, some of them endangered species. I say stick'em offshore, > out of sight, and out of the migratory pattern of most birds. Sounds like a good idea, if it's viable. From me at privacy.net Sat Dec 4 19:50:11 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 4 20:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > Many obese folk actually consume fewer calories than you might expect. | that is part of the problem... they drive their metabolism down, thus making | it harder to lose weight I doubt that the have much control over their metabolism but that's not the point. The post alluded to the cause of the obesity being over eating where the person is actually eating less but still gaining. From nospam at bisusa.com Sat Dec 4 21:02:49 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:05:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Census forms (Correction) References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> >> So it is just me, that this, national id cards, the rest of that, it >> all seems to be run like corporate databases. > > There is no national id card (in the US), nor is one being proposed. > > HR11 proposes standards for state-issued drivers' licenses, but > that's the only sense in which it's national. It's HR 10, not 11. Text here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:2:./temp/~c108PfEWnK:: "National Identity Card" stuff here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c108:2:./temp/~c108PfEWnK:e331410: From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 19:04:47 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:05:16 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cot6hq$3a2$1@news.spamcop.net... > If your father owed Amex money and you are the administrator or executor of > the estate, you are obligated to discharge the estate's debts, assuming > sufficient assets exist. If the estate is incapable of discharging the > debts, you are obligated to so inform the creditors and have the probate > court nullify the debt. His brother was his executor. > Amex should not get stiffed just because the card-holder died. When he died, he was in very minor debt with no luxuries or savings. It could not have been afforded by the estate. > And you could have avoided all the grief by declining the administratorship > of your father's estate. Ugh. I guess that teaches me a lesson about not telling the whole story, no matter how it's going put everyone to sleep. Since it was a simple question, I gave the shortest most simple answer. I then expanded on it in a follow up and I see now that I should have either wrote out the whole story or not mentioned it. See... in making the offer to pay the debt (on my own good time and even though I specified certain rules), which I did in writing as there were calls and letters which went back and forth, I made myself a target. Both I and they were very careful not to indicate any obligation to do or accept anything or any terms. In order for me to tell the entire story with evidence I would have to type out the content of the letters in this post. I didn't think the issue would strike such a nerve really, so I didn't give any thought to doing that when I answered the question. To be as brief as possible with as much accuracy as possible... 01) Dad died with about six grand on the Amex card. 02) He was not wealthy - nor largely in debt. 03) It cost allot for mom and myself to 'get him in the ground'. 04) Mom told the other card companies that he had died - and they adjusted accordingly. 05) Most (of a dozen or so) cards were trivially in debt (hundred here, hundred there). 06) A couple of the cards were a little more in debt (around a thousand). 07) Amex was the highest at about 6k. 08) Amex was the only hold-out that was looking for a fight. 09) I thought it would be a good gesture to clear dads debt. 10) I offered them the deal I mentioned over the phone. 11) They asked me to put it in writing and I did. 12) In doing so, I made certain rules by which I was willing to pay it (debt on card, pay over time). 13) The argument continued over the phone after they got the letter. 14) The argument continued briefly by mail in their refusal and my followup. Their continued refusal to accept really simple terms (put his debt on a card for me and I would pay it over time), lead to angry exchanges when they would be so bold as to demand that I pay his bills immediately - when I was under no obligation to pay them at all. Eventually that would rise to the boiling point... at which point I told them... well you can pick up the story from there in the other post. They had a choice. They could get paid and I could ensure that dads debt was clear... or they could pull a scam and submit it for collection on my name - and get paid indirectly - with (I imagine) the excuse that I had conversed with them over paying it or had somehow agreed to pay it regardless of terms. In other words they gambled that I would not pay it so that they could collect it via their own insurance. Meanwhile I'm the one getting (ignored) collection letters ... only a couple until they stopped... but still I know that those are sitting somewhere waiting to bite me if I should apply for anything requiring a credit check (regardless of whether I need actual credit - apartment renatal for example). For now ... I'm doing what I believe is the smartest thing of a very few options... I'm letting time pass between the time that this occurred and the day that it comes around to bite me, so that the fight will be a very short one. If it comes to lawyers, well by that time it will be easy enough to chew through it all - but I'm certainly not going to go running out to hire a lawyer and clear all this up at my own expense, right away, just for the sake of clearing it up (and for the sake of giving Amex a giggle). > Sorry you feel that way. Your dad evidently liked the company. I think he just had them for show really. He had way too many cards. About a dozen in trivial balance. Several Visa, several MC, several 'onesies'. I think he just had them because he was offered them and all he had to do was fill out a small sheet to get '...Immediate Approval...'. I imagine allot of seniors fall into that. :) From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 19:10:36 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:15:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:cotcav$6v9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take out Amex > > first, please? Personal reasons. > > Why, what happened? I've always had great experiences with Amex. Wow. Apologies to Manno for taking the post way off topic like that. I had no idea that people were to passionate about that sort of thing around here. Amazing what a simple post-statement can cause. Err... for the whole (bulk of) the story, I posted it in followup to Jerry's reply. :) From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Dec 5 03:13:38 2004 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:15:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in news:cotu7i$hdr$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:cotcav$6v9$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > PS: If you're considering that, could you do me a favor and take >> > out > Amex >> > first, please? Personal reasons. >> >> Why, what happened? I've always had great experiences with Amex. > > Wow. Apologies to Manno for taking the post way off topic like that. I > had no idea that people were to passionate about that sort of thing > around here. Amazing what a simple post-statement can cause. > > Err... for the whole (bulk of) the story, I posted it in followup to > Jerry's reply. > >:) > Axtually I know two people who fell on hard times and AMEX gave both of them the hardest time. Even Sears treated them better. From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 19:15:23 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:20:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cottsm$ha5$1@news.spamcop.net... > - apartment renatal for example). How on earth did THAT get through the spell checker? :) From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 19:16:40 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:20:09 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cotu7i$hdr$1@news.spamcop.net... > no idea that people were to passionate about that sort of thing around here. to=so :) From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Dec 5 03:18:55 2004 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:20:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in news:cotugh$hlf$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "LaughingBoy" wrote in message > news:cottsm$ha5$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> - apartment renatal for example). > > How on earth did THAT get through the spell checker? > >:) > Maybe something like a rebirth? ;-) From haha at hyuck.woo Sat Dec 4 19:24:04 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sat Dec 4 22:25:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fallujah was Napalmed... References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote in message news:cot5mg$2kt$1@news.spamcop.net... > The new stuff just doesn't smell the same in the morning. (*splorf*) :) From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com Sun Dec 5 04:44:56 2004 From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob) Date: Sat Dec 4 23:50:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cameras hidden in clocks in a hospital References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:cotg8g$99d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfm2a3l0t2-A18CA6.22084624112004@news.cesmail.net... > > > that's what they're called! what is it, a split highway here or > something? I > > > forget the terminology > > > > Divided highway, a highway divided down the middle by a barrier that > > separates traffic going in different directions. > > That's the one. > > I still think Dual Carriageway sounds nicer From haha at hyuck.woo Sun Dec 5 01:25:24 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sun Dec 5 04:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? Message-ID: In a midsized town near you exists a therapy center with a large parking lot. Upstairs exist the therapy rooms and the offices of the therapists. Downstairs, a reception and waiting room. As the liberals arrive each morning to spend their day in therapy, mostly regarding their defeat in the recent presidential election, they pull up in their Volvos, Fiats, Volkswagens and BMW's. Every once in a while, screaming, crying and the breaking of glass can be heard echoing from the upstairs windows throughout the parking lot. Heidi on horseback, patrolling the fencelines of the parking lot to ensure that liberals don't speak to the people outside the fence, rides around happily... Spamvireslayer running along behind her with a stick to poke the other liberals with... and of course, Charles carrying the extra sticks and struggling to keep up without being distracted by the chirping sound that the crosswalks make for the visually impaired. Meanwhile, Indigo stands on a soapbox out in the middle of the parking lot, singing over a loudspeaker "...you are the wind beneath myyyyy wiiinnngggss...". David 1 sits on his porch across the street just praying that some idiot will be stupid enough to walk out of the parking lot and onto his property. Mr. mean, who never actually gets out of his Volvo, sits listening to liberal radio stations all day - knowing the government is sponsoring his therapy sessions. Outside the entrance, Jerry Mouse writes mathematical equations on a neatly hung chalkboard (self provided), which represent the dimensions, building materials and mass of the building and proves -in theory- how many liberals could fit into the building before it will collapse, killing everyone inside; and of course, what effect this is likely to have on future military inventions. On the other side of the entrance, LaughingBoy - ducking briefly when a chair comes out the second story window, followed by screams "Bush stole the &^$% election!!!" - sits on a deck-chair handing out questionnaires to each of the liberals as they come filing through the doors (the first item on each form asking them for their IQ) and talking to them as they go past... "Do you know how pathetic you are?" ... "Yes" ... "Then please fill out this form." ... "Do you know how pathetic you are?" ... "Yes" ... "Then please fill out this form." ... "Oh Charles... it's you. Well... for the first question just answer with the number of wheels on your skateboard." Cat goes into the lunchroom and mixes fish-hooks into the creamcheese, then runs outside to ask Jerry and LaughingBoy why they haven't tried the creamcheese yet and if they are fostering some prejudice against cheese - then stands there, asking over and over why they are not answering her. Meanwhile, Frog Prince - having just finished the first of 37 therapy sessions for the day - takes out a low-fat, low-cholesterol, sugarless, saltless, avocado and artichoke flavored muffin and splatters it with the creamcheese - as if icing a cake... takes one bite and begins screaming as a fish-hook goes throw the upper lip (luckily that lip wasn't stiff enough to do any real damage). Cat returns, looking horrified, telling Froggy to press charges against Jerry and LaughingBoy for having laced the creamcheese with fish-hooks and that JohnL probably saw the whole thing... but changes the subject to "what a bastard Bush is" when asked how she knew they were fish-hooks. JohnL has been in the waiting room for hours, using the therapists fax machines to send out photographs of Jerry and LaughingBoy to the local police... each photograph numbered and containing captions, circles and arrows. On the bottom of a photo of LaughingBoy reads "Wanted for purse snatching, baby-killing, arson, theft and ... uhm ... shoplifting... oh yah... and defamation of character. This suspect has also stolen candy from children.". Underneath that, the signatures of Charles, Porpoise and the other seven of JohnL's inbred children, testifying that LaughingBoy had indeed stolen their candy, just like daddykins said. ... AND THAT, FRIENDS, IS A DAY IN .SOCIAL PS: If you were wonder what LADD (in the subject) stands for... it's Liberal Attention Deficit Disorder. A particularly perilous mutation of the common disorder. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 5 13:24:01 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Dec 5 08:30:14 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [media] "Can Being Fit Outweigh Fat? - It's Possible to Be Obese and Healthy, Experts Say" References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:cotmm2$d5l$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Sylvesterthekat" > > | > Many obese folk actually consume fewer calories than you might > expect. > > | that is part of the problem... they drive their metabolism down, thus > making > | it harder to lose weight > > I doubt that the have much control over their metabolism but that's not > the > point. The post alluded to the cause of the obesity being over eating > where > the person is actually eating less but still gaining. > > The thing here though, is that "over-eating" is relative. Relative to the amount your body is using/storing. What causes obesity is that more is being stored than is being used. So the over-eating is not measurable in terms of absolute calories (this is where most/all fad diets go wrong) It has to be balanced against the amount of excercise being done. Also with the amount of essential vitamins/elements ("goodness factor") required for the body/mind to function correctly. The unfortunate fact is, everyone seems to focus on the calorific value of various foods without taking into account the "goodness factor". For more a factor in generally poor diets these days is not specifically "How many calories are you eating?" but, rather, "What is the quality of the food you are eating?" i.e. "Is it the usual processed crap that most people seem to eat these days?" Of course, as people reduce their intake of food (good food) instead of upping their excercise (which is the real problem - people lead lives which are far too sedantry - remember, we used to have to run around a lot hunting/gathering) they also reduce their intake of essential vitamins/elements/oils etc. The real answer is to stop eating crap, processed foods and up the excercise regime. This would improve the body's (and the mind's) over-all well-being, not just it's metabolism. Sometimes, when I look at food labels, I cringe at the amount of crap that's put in our food to a). Improve the shelf life (reduce waste to the company - [profit]) b). Make it sweet/salty to "improve" the flavour (make people buy their brand instead of another brand - [profit]) c). Use cheaper and cheaper (poorer quality) ingredients to reduce costs - [profit] d). Source as much material/labour abroad and screw other peoples' economies and exploit their peoples. - [profit] Oh, look!..... It all comes down to the profits of the food companies!!!!... What an amazing surprise!!! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 5 13:30:24 2004 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Dec 5 08:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: "LaughingBoy" wrote in message news:cottsm$ha5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JerryMouse" wrote in message > news:cot6hq$3a2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I think he just had them for show really. He had way too many cards. About > a > dozen in trivial balance. Several Visa, several MC, several 'onesies'. I > think he just had them because he was offered them and all he had to do > was > fill out a small sheet to get '...Immediate Approval...'. I imagine allot > of > seniors fall into that. Another thing that a lot of people have trouble grasping, is that a Creditcard (visa, mastercard etc) and a Chargecard (Amex, Diners etc) are not the same. So that, debts owing to a Creditcard company are covered by different rules/regulations to those debts owing to a Chargecard company and the whole setup is different. From me at privacy.net Sun Dec 5 08:52:44 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Dec 5 08:55:05 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cameras hidden in clocks in a hospital References: Message-ID: "Rob" | > > > that's what they're called! what is it, a split highway here or | > something? I | > > > forget the terminology | > > | > > Divided highway, a highway divided down the middle by a barrier that | > > separates traffic going in different directions. | > | > That's the one. | > | > | | I still think Dual Carriageway sounds nicer | Kinda kills the mental effect ... Carriageway Robbery? From David1 at suescornerweb.com Sun Dec 5 09:33:58 2004 From: David1 at suescornerweb.com (David 1) Date: Sun Dec 5 09:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: LaughingBoy wrote: > In a midsized town near you exists a therapy center with a large parking > lot. Upstairs exist the therapy rooms and the offices of the therapists. > Downstairs, a reception and waiting room. As the liberals arrive each > morning to spend their day in therapy, mostly regarding their defeat in the > recent presidential election, they pull up in their Volvos, Fiats, > Volkswagens and BMW's. > > Every once in a while, screaming, crying and the breaking of glass can be > heard echoing from the upstairs windows throughout the parking lot. Heidi on > horseback, patrolling the fencelines of the parking lot to ensure that > liberals don't speak to the people outside the fence, rides around > happily... Spamvireslayer running along behind her with a stick to poke the > other liberals with... and of course, Charles carrying the extra sticks and > struggling to keep up without being distracted by the > chirping sound that the crosswalks make for the visually impaired. > > Meanwhile, Indigo stands on a soapbox out in the middle of the parking lot, > singing over a loudspeaker "...you are the wind beneath myyyyy > wiiinnngggss...". David 1 sits on his porch across the street just praying > that some idiot will be stupid enough to walk out of the parking lot and > onto his property. Mr. mean, who never actually gets out of his Volvo, sits > listening to liberal radio stations all day - knowing the government is > sponsoring his therapy sessions. > > Outside the entrance, Jerry Mouse writes mathematical equations on a neatly > hung chalkboard (self provided), which represent the dimensions, building > materials and mass of the building and proves -in theory- how many liberals > could fit into the building before it will collapse, killing everyone > inside; and of course, what effect this is likely to have on future military > inventions. > > On the other side of the entrance, LaughingBoy - ducking briefly when a > chair comes out the second story window, followed by screams "Bush stole the > &^$% election!!!" - sits on a deck-chair handing out questionnaires to each > of the liberals as they come filing through the doors (the first item on > each form asking them for their IQ) and talking to them as they go past... > > "Do you know how pathetic you are?" ... "Yes" ... "Then please fill out this > form." ... > "Do you know how pathetic you are?" ... "Yes" ... "Then please fill out this > form." ... > "Oh Charles... it's you. Well... for the first question just answer with the > number of wheels on your skateboard." > > Cat goes into the lunchroom and mixes fish-hooks into the creamcheese, then > runs outside to ask Jerry and LaughingBoy why they haven't tried the > creamcheese yet and if they are fostering some prejudice against cheese - > then stands there, asking over and over why they are not answering her. > Meanwhile, Frog Prince - having just finished the first of 37 therapy > sessions for the day - takes out a low-fat, low-cholesterol, sugarless, > saltless, avocado and artichoke flavored muffin and splatters it with the > creamcheese - as if icing a cake... takes one bite and begins screaming as a > fish-hook goes throw the upper lip (luckily that lip wasn't stiff enough to > do any real damage). Cat returns, looking horrified, telling Froggy to press > charges against Jerry and LaughingBoy for having laced the creamcheese with > fish-hooks and that JohnL probably saw the whole thing... but changes the > subject to "what a bastard Bush is" when asked how she knew they were > fish-hooks. > > JohnL has been in the waiting room for hours, using the therapists fax > machines to send out photographs of Jerry and LaughingBoy to the local > police... each photograph numbered and containing captions, circles and > arrows. On the bottom of a photo of LaughingBoy reads "Wanted for purse > snatching, baby-killing, arson, theft and ... uhm ... shoplifting... oh > yah... and defamation of character. This suspect has also stolen candy from > children.". Underneath that, the signatures of Charles, Porpoise and the > other seven of JohnL's inbred children, testifying that LaughingBoy had > indeed stolen their candy, just like daddykins said. > > ... AND THAT, FRIENDS, IS A DAY IN .SOCIAL > > PS: If you were wonder what LADD (in the subject) stands for... it's Liberal > Attention Deficit Disorder. A particularly perilous mutation of the common > disorder. > > > OHHHHHH man, I loved this Thank You for posting. David 1 From me at privacy.net Sun Dec 5 10:42:47 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Heidi) Date: Sun Dec 5 10:50:07 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? References: Message-ID: "David 1" wrote in message news:cov68e$71n$1@news.spamcop.net... > OHHHHHH man, I loved this Thank You for posting. > David 1 Seeing as this asshole is a proven troll who morphs several times a day to avoid people's killfiles, it would be really nice if you didn't feed him, From haha at hyuck.woo Sun Dec 5 08:58:33 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sun Dec 5 12:00:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:covakn$9dc$1@news.spamcop.net... > ... it would be really nice if you didn't feed him... You just did. :) From haha at hyuck.woo Sun Dec 5 09:40:54 2004 From: haha at hyuck.woo (LaughingBoy) Date: Sun Dec 5 12:45:04 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? References: Message-ID: "David 1" wrote in message news:cov68e$71n$1@news.spamcop.net... > OHHHHHH man, I loved this Thank You for posting. > David 1 Had myself in tears over Charles and the chirping sounds. :) From bert at visi.com Sun Dec 5 19:03:05 2004 From: bert at visi.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Sun Dec 5 14:05:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? References: Message-ID: In news:couk6d$t3q$1@news.spamcop.net "LaughingBoy" wrote: > As the liberals arrive each morning to spend their day in therapy, > mostly regarding their defeat in the recent presidential election, they > pull up in their Volvos, Fiats, Volkswagens and BMW's. > Fiats? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID Sun Dec 5 13:04:06 2004 From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR) Date: Sun Dec 5 16:05:06 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Check your credit report Message-ID: Thank goodness for mandated free credit reports... I've always paid my bills on time, and as a result have (or should I say "had") spotless credit. So it came as a really huge surprise when I checked my credit reports last week and found an item flagged as "collection" on one of the reports. At first I thought it was a mistake, but as it turns out it was a co-payment from a doctor visit way back in 2000 - they had gotten one of the words in my street address wrong, and as a result all of the billing statements had bounced back as "undeliverable" (duh...). When I called the (outsourced) billing company to find out what had happened, I asked them why they didn't try some other means of contacting me (they had both home and work phone numbers, as well as a work address). I never got a satisfactory answer for that one, unless you consider a long silence on the other end of the line to be "satisfactory". So, it would appear that because of an incompetent (or maybe just plain lazy) billing clerk I could have been stuck with a potentially damaging black mark on my credit report - and apparently they're allowed to do this with impunity and without any recourse from the consumer. I was finally able to get it straightened out by calling the collection agency - this item had racked up even more $$$ in interest charges that I refused to pay because I'd never been contacted about it. The person at the collection agency agreed with me, and we settled it for the original balance due. So the moral of the story is... Get your free credit reports when they become available in your area - you never know what potentially damaging info may have been planted in there totally unknown to you. -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George W. Bush 8/5/04 From me at privacy.net Sun Dec 5 16:10:15 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Dec 5 16:15:08 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report References: Message-ID: "GregR" | Thank goodness for mandated free credit reports... | | I've always paid my bills on time, and as a result have (or should I say | "had") spotless credit. So it came as a really huge surprise when I | checked my credit reports last week and found an item flagged as | "collection" on one of the reports. | | At first I thought it was a mistake, but as it turns out it was a | co-payment from a doctor visit way back in 2000 - they had gotten one of | the words in my street address wrong, and as a result all of the billing | statements had bounced back as "undeliverable" (duh...). | | When I called the (outsourced) billing company to find out what had | happened, I asked them why they didn't try some other means of | contacting me (they had both home and work phone numbers, as well as a | work address). I never got a satisfactory answer for that one, unless | you consider a long silence on the other end of the line to be | "satisfactory". | | So, it would appear that because of an incompetent (or maybe just plain | lazy) billing clerk I could have been stuck with a potentially damaging | black mark on my credit report - and apparently they're allowed to do | this with impunity and without any recourse from the consumer. | | I was finally able to get it straightened out by calling the collection | agency - this item had racked up even more $$$ in interest charges that | I refused to pay because I'd never been contacted about it. The person | at the collection agency agreed with me, and we settled it for the | original balance due. | | So the moral of the story is... Get your free credit reports when they | become available in your area - you never know what potentially damaging | info may have been planted in there totally unknown to you. | | File a formal protest with the credit bureau and keep a watch on your reports in most cases settling with the collection agency will NOT take the bad reference off the report. From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID Sun Dec 5 13:21:08 2004 From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR) Date: Sun Dec 5 16:25:10 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > File a formal protest with the credit bureau and keep a watch on your > reports in most cases settling with the collection agency will NOT take the > bad reference off the report. I'll do that, but the person at the collection agency said that it would be removed within 30 days of them receiving payment. I'll take them at their word on that, but I'll also keep on top of it. -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George W. Bush 8/5/04 From me at privacy.net Sun Dec 5 16:25:07 2004 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Dec 5 16:30:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report References: Message-ID: "GregR" | > File a formal protest with the credit bureau and keep a watch on your | > reports in most cases settling with the collection agency will NOT take the | > bad reference off the report. | | I'll do that, but the person at the collection agency said that it would | be removed within 30 days of them receiving payment. I'll take them at | their word on that, but I'll also keep on top of it. Like spammers .... they will lie. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sun Dec 5 18:15:07 2004 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sun Dec 5 18:35:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report References: Message-ID: <41B3967B.2A9E04D4@spamcop.net> GregR wrote: [...] > At first I thought it was a mistake, but as it turns out it was a > co-payment from a doctor visit way back in 2000 - they had gotten one of > the words in my street address wrong, and as a result all of the billing > statements had bounced back as "undeliverable" (duh...). > > When I called the (outsourced) billing company to find out what had > happened, I asked them why they didn't try some other means of > contacting me (they had both home and work phone numbers, as well as a > work address). I never got a satisfactory answer for that one, unless > you consider a long silence on the other end of the line to be > "satisfactory". > > So, it would appear that because of an incompetent (or maybe just plain > lazy) billing clerk I could have been stuck with a potentially damaging > black mark on my credit report - and apparently they're allowed to do > this with impunity and without any recourse from the consumer. [...] Well, it's not quite true about "with impunity and without recourse from the consumer". It's true that you never paid them. (Even if it was their fault.) At a minimum, you can add a comment in the record, stating your side of the story, and that note must accompany your credit report. Since it was their fault, you should be able to get the collection agency to have the record removed. (Make sure it's a "hard delete", and not a "soft delete". As I understand it, a "soft delete" will delete it from one agency's records, but will eventually re-appear when merged with the data from other agencies. A "hard delete" forces the record to be purged rather than re-created. Or something like that, anyway. The main difference is that a "soft delete" is not necessarily permanent.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nospam at bisusa.com Sun Dec 5 19:49:12 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sun Dec 5 20:50:02 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [News... kind of.] A new cure for LADD? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "David 1" wrote in message > news:cov68e$71n$1@news.spamcop.net... >> OHHHHHH man, I loved this Thank You for posting. >> David 1 > > Seeing as this asshole is a proven troll who morphs several times a > day to avoid people's killfiles, it would be really nice if you > didn't feed him, It's not lady-like to be a potty-mouth. From nospam at bisusa.com Sun Dec 5 19:56:48 2004 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Sun Dec 5 21:00:12 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A union only Wal-Mart could love References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "LaughingBoy" wrote in message > news:coot8f$gmf$1@news.spamcop.net... >> That's pretty disgusting alright. I imagine that's why I see (on the >> news) townships in the states thwarting efforts to build Wal-Mart >> stores in their areas. > > If only people would look at the whole picture. They don't realise > that the cheap (whatever) that they're buying in Wal Mart is actually > costing them more, whether they buy it or not, because of the costs > imposed on the economy by those underpaid workers. And when they do realize same, they could very well abolish the costs associated with the underpaid workers. >> >> It's really too bad that people don't take that much more >> seriously... and take a little responsibility by not buying the >> stuff in those stores. The world really needs a huge web site that >> lists the origins of all of the products sold in stores like >> Wal-Mart. A tough job that would be... but at least the people who >> walk out with their goods in hand wouldn't have the excuse "I didn't >> notice that the label said 'Made Proudly by Slaves' on it." Oh, bother. Adam Smith settled this hash back in the 18th century. From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID Sun Dec 5 20:08:01 2004 From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR) Date: Sun Dec 5 23:10:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report In-Reply-To: <41B3967B.2A9E04D4@spamcop.net> References: <41B3967B.2A9E04D4@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Well, it's not quite true about "with impunity and without recourse from > the consumer". It's true that you never paid them. (Even if it was > their fault.) What I meant by "with impunity" was the fact that creditors are apparently allowed to insert potentially damaging info into someone's credit report, without any obligation on their part to make a good-faith effort to locate that person (especially when they had 3 alternate methods of contacting me). That doesn't seem fair to me - does it to you? CA is known for its strong consumer-protection laws, maybe it's time for some legislation requiring certain steps to happen before an item is turned over to a collection agency. > At a minimum, you can add a comment in the record, stating > your side of the story, and that note must accompany your credit report. Hard to do given the 120-character limit on their website (Experian, BTW), but I managed to make it fit. > Since it was their fault, you should be able to get the collection agency > to have the record removed. (Make sure it's a "hard delete", and not a > "soft delete". As I understand it, a "soft delete" will delete it from > one agency's records, but will eventually re-appear when merged with the > data from other agencies. A "hard delete" forces the record to be purged > rather than re-created. Or something like that, anyway. The main > difference is that a "soft delete" is not necessarily permanent.) Thanks for that info - I'll keep the group updated as to how this all shakes out. -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George W. Bush 8/5/04 From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID Sun Dec 5 20:38:31 2004 From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR) Date: Sun Dec 5 23:40:03 2004 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Check your credit report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Like spammers .... they will lie. Well, CA law provides us the right to bring a civil action against anyone (including a credit reporting