From gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 18:55:48 2006 From: gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net (G) Date: Tue Jan 3 08:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop address, SMTP & OE References: Message-ID: > Yes, Gmail is setting that for you. Have you tried using Gmail's > "Settings / Accounts / Send mail as / Add another email address" Link to > add your SpamCop email address, and then using Gmail's "Settings / > Accounts / Send mail as / make default" Link? I hadn't, but I have now, and that did the trick. Thanks. Greg Stigers From eddie at eddie.web Wed Jan 4 12:32:40 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Wed Jan 4 12:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] webmail down? Message-ID: Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago From eddie at eddie.web Wed Jan 4 13:12:31 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: eddie wrote: > Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago Webmail is now working but submission of spam fails with following error: "Cannot send mail:smtpOpen: connect to smtp server failed (Connection refused) Leave this page open and try 'reload' in a few minutes" From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:20:52 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? References: Message-ID: "eddie" wrote in message news:dph0rt$at3$1@news.spamcop.net... > Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago Left a message on JT's answering service. Posted announcements in the Forum. It does appear that both mail and webmail servers are now back up. From eddie at eddie.web Wed Jan 4 13:23:05 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:25:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > "eddie" wrote in message > news:dph0rt$at3$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago > > > Left a message on JT's answering service. Posted announcements > in the Forum. It does appear that both mail and webmail servers > are now back up. > > Thanks waz. The mail is fine; just the reporting system is broken now. S... happens :) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:42:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:45:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] mail and mailservers - 2 problems Message-ID: There are/were 2 different problems: 1) The email system mailservers handling @spamcop.net/@cesmail.net/@cqmail/net -- these were apparently down/non-responsive for a short time and have come back up 2) delays in submitted spams/receiving the SC mail with links/etc -- we are encountering some issues with the parsing system mailservers. We have engineering working on it. The servers are backlogged and are working thru the backlog which will take some time to process. I do not know how long it will take them to catch back up. We appreciate your patience. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 12:52:14 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? References: Message-ID: "eddie" wrote in message news:dph3qf$csb$1@news.spamcop.net... > WazoO wrote: > > "eddie" wrote in message > > news:dph0rt$at3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >>Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago > > > > Left a message on JT's answering service. Posted announcements > > in the Forum. It does appear that both mail and webmail servers > > are now back up. > > > Thanks waz. 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Pour vous affilier, cliquez ici : http://www.sonoboulevard.com/index.php?action=affil&choix=set&affilid=479&IdAffPage=87&naction=affilde From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Sat Jan 7 22:52:14 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Sat Jan 7 15:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? Message-ID: Hi, I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. Based on what I know, system works as follows: 1) User reports spam 2) As postmaster/admin you get a spam report telling you must fix the issue in 48 hours and tell what you have done 3) If you ignore that message or lie to Spamcop that it is fixed, you get blocked. So, how come these 2 open proxy heavens which I highly suspect that are open on purpose doesn't get blocked by Spamcop? I mean, is there anything special? Also will there be a filtering system in future that will check spam sites in mail too? Here, just a random example. http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z853256549zda560ff3f051cd753253384280f95733z As I said, 90% of spam to my account is from China. Ilgaz From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Jan 7 14:33:25 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Jan 7 17:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. There are some very non-responsive .cn and .kr and other providers. > Based on what I know, system > works as follows: You are not correct in your understanding. > 1) User reports spam A spamcop reporter, quick reporter, or spamtrap submits a spam to the parser. The parser determine the spamsource on all 3 types of submissions. The spamvertisers are handled differently than the spamsources for reporters vs other.. > 2) As postmaster/admin you get a spam report telling you must fix the > issue in 48 hours and tell what you have done No. A spamsource pm/admin can refuse all SC reports, accept all reports and do whatever such as devnull them, or accept reports and act against the spamsource or secure it. There is no requirement for reporting back. Whatever the pm/admin does, the spamsource counts toward the SCbl unless the parse is a mistake and convincingly rebutted by the admin. SC is a parsing reporting system and a spamsource blocklisting system. SC is not a 'policeman' that some admin answers to. SC's only power is in the popularity of its blocklist with those who use it as a part of a spam defense plan. The notification process is a courtesy to spamvertiser providers - spamveriders - and spamsources. > 3) If you ignore that message or lie to Spamcop that it is fixed, you > get blocked. What happens as a consequence of a spamsource being reported is mathematical. If a sufficiently high number of spamsource reports are made compared to the 'traffic' or reputation of an IP address, the IP will be listed, regardless of whether an admin accepts or answers reports or not. Accepting and/or answering are immaterial. All that matters is how many spamsource reports there are compared to the traffic or non-spam activity of the IP. > So, how come these 2 open proxy heavens which I highly suspect that > are open on purpose doesn't get blocked by Spamcop? Your tracker showed a source 221.195.98.111 no rDNS of CNCGROUP Hebei Province which IP is CBL listed as an open proxy. SC doesn't provide us with the information about reports on unlisted IPs, but I can see at senderbase that the IP is usually not active, that it has been more active in the past month, and that its current activity over the last day is about zero. So, my guess would be that it might have been SC listed in the past month, but not necessarily, and that there aren't too many reports on it. It has been listed at CBL since yesterday. > I mean, is there anything special? Also will there be a filtering > system in future that will check spam sites in mail too? I don't know what that sentence means. > Here, just a random example. > www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z853256549zda560ff3f051cd753253384280f95733z > > As I said, 90% of spam to my account is from China. With my spamfilter, I could filter out all of my spam from .cn IPs, and I could whitelist any known goodmail from .cn IPs I was going to get. Your tracker also shows that the item was recognized as spam by your SC filtering. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 00:41:22 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Sun Jan 8 17:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-08 00:33:25 +0200, "Mike Easter" said: > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > >> I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. > > There are some very non-responsive .cn and .kr and other providers. > >> Based on what I know, system >> works as follows: > > You are not correct in your understanding. > >> 1) User reports spam > > A spamcop reporter, quick reporter, or spamtrap submits a spam to the > parser. The parser determine the spamsource on all 3 types of > submissions. The spamvertisers are handled differently than the > spamsources for reporters vs other.. > >> 2) As postmaster/admin you get a spam report telling you must fix the >> issue in 48 hours and tell what you have done > > No. A spamsource pm/admin can refuse all SC reports, accept all reports > and do whatever such as devnull them, or accept reports and act against > the spamsource or secure it. There is no requirement for reporting > back. Whatever the pm/admin does, the spamsource counts toward the SCbl > unless the parse is a mistake and convincingly rebutted by the admin. > > SC is a parsing reporting system and a spamsource blocklisting system. > SC is not a 'policeman' that some admin answers to. That is a problem for me than... > > SC's only power is in the popularity of its blocklist with those who use > it as a part of a spam defense plan. The notification process is a > courtesy to spamvertiser providers - spamveriders - and spamsources. You can't imagine how many spam any spamcop user would get if spamassasin stops working than. I see only a dozen spam blocked by spamcop blocking list. Don't misunderstand. I see couple of Chinese ISP's keeping open proxies on purpose or not closing them down as if they are bribed by spammers. As China is a huge customer for IT World, they get some "special" treatment from large companies like Yahoo for instance. I started to wonder if parent of Spamcop has a policy like that. > >> 3) If you ignore that message or lie to Spamcop that it is fixed, you >> get blocked. > > What happens as a consequence of a spamsource being reported is > mathematical. If a sufficiently high number of spamsource reports are > made compared to the 'traffic' or reputation of an IP address, the IP > will be listed, regardless of whether an admin accepts or answers > reports or not. Accepting and/or answering are immaterial. All that > matters is how many spamsource reports there are compared to the traffic > or non-spam activity of the IP. I have seen amazing numbers of spam coming from a single chinese ISP advertising single domain. > >> So, how come these 2 open proxy heavens which I highly suspect that >> are open on purpose doesn't get blocked by Spamcop? > > Your tracker showed a source 221.195.98.111 no rDNS of CNCGROUP Hebei > Province which IP is CBL listed as an open proxy. SC doesn't provide us > with the information about reports on unlisted IPs, but I can see at > senderbase that the IP is usually not active, that it has been more > active in the past month, and that its current activity over the last > day is about zero. So, my guess would be that it might have been SC > listed in the past month, but not necessarily, and that there aren't too > many reports on it. It has been listed at CBL since yesterday. > >> I mean, is there anything special? Also will there be a filtering >> system in future that will check spam sites in mail too? > > I don't know what that sentence means. In future someone could implement a filter to block mail if it contains certain top 10 spamvertized URLs (spamcop has them) . It would be opt-in scheme of course. Nobody would want anyone jumping up and down saying "spamcop reads my mail" > >> Here, just a random example. >> > www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z853256549zda560ff3f051cd753253384280f95733z >> >> As I said, 90% of spam to my account is from China. > > With my spamfilter, I could filter out all of my spam from .cn IPs, and > I could whitelist any known goodmail from .cn IPs I was going to get. > > Your tracker also shows that the item was recognized as spam by your SC > filtering. It is spamassasin, not spamcop block list. I can't understand why I do report spam if there is no effect at all... Well, I'll keep reporting, including my native language spams in other accounts too but there is something changed I believe. I am supposed to be blocking whole China and Korea but they don't work too. Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 00:49:15 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Sun Jan 8 17:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-08 00:33:25 +0200, "Mike Easter" said: > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > >> I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. > > There are some very non-responsive .cn and .kr and other providers. > Here is a simple example: http://mailsc.spamcop.net/sc?track=222.139.5.209 That moron clearly does not care at all about spamcop reports and it must be like 400th time I reported a spam coming from very same moron. How come that ISP/IP Block not blocked? I mean Spamcop has progressed a lot over years and now has excellent counter measures fighting "misreported" spam. I know postmasters were not caring much in early days because "mail hosts" were not implemented but today, one can only send false reports on purpose which means his/her account will be revoked. Some guy in that ISP is getting bribed by spammers. It is not high tech, it is human nature. You close your eyes and take your bribe. Whether it is drugs or hi tech stuff like open proxies. Ilgaz From me at privacy.net Mon Jan 9 02:27:26 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Sun Jan 8 21:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: <01c614c4$10f3da80$LocalHost@default> Ilgaz Ocal wrote i [...] > You can't imagine how many spam any spamcop user would get if > spamassasin stops working than. I see only a dozen spam blocked by > spamcop blocking list. SpamCop Mail now uses SpamAssassin (SA) first and omits the blocklist check if it can't have any effect. This means the only way of seeing the full effect of the block lists is to switch off SA for a few hours. [...] > In future someone could implement a filter to block mail if it contains > certain top 10 spamvertized URLs (spamcop has them) . It would be > opt-in scheme of course. Nobody would want anyone jumping up and down > saying "spamcop reads my mail" This is already done, SA looks at URLs in the body and check them against SURLBL (which gets its data from SC reports). [...] > It is spamassasin, not spamcop block list. I can't understand why I do > report spam if there is no effect at all... Well, I'll keep reporting, > including my native language spams in other accounts too but there is > something changed I believe. As noted, the SC BL entries expire so if the spamsource is rotated elsewhere you will have to use other blocklists for effectiveness in the first hours after reuse. > I am supposed to be blocking whole China and Korea but they don't work too. Blocklist brazil.blackholes.us seems to be working again, so maybe the others will too. If you can check the IP addresses that slip through then you may be able to tell us whether the problem is an incomplete blocklist or a failed lookup of a correct blocklist. For the record I quick reported 6883 spams in the month of December, plus 67 that got though the filters and were full reported. There were also about 70 goodmails plus 400 from 2 whitelisted mailing lists. No non-spam was held. Ebay and paypal are blacklisted on this account, SA level=3. -- Mike D From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 14:05:03 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 07:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: <01c614c4$10f3da80$LocalHost@default> Message-ID: On 2006-01-09 04:27:26 +0200, "Michael R N Dolbear" said: > > Ilgaz Ocal wrote i > [...] >> You can't imagine how many spam any spamcop user would get if >> spamassasin stops working than. I see only a dozen spam blocked by >> spamcop blocking list. > > SpamCop Mail now uses SpamAssassin (SA) first and omits the blocklist > check if it can't have any effect. > > This means the only way of seeing the full effect of the block lists is > to switch off SA for a few hours. > [...] >> In future someone could implement a filter to block mail if it > contains >> certain top 10 spamvertized URLs (spamcop has them) . It would be >> opt-in scheme of course. Nobody would want anyone jumping up and down > >> saying "spamcop reads my mail" > > This is already done, SA looks at URLs in the body and check them > against SURLBL (which gets its data from SC reports). > [...] >> It is spamassasin, not spamcop block list. I can't understand why I > do >> report spam if there is no effect at all... Well, I'll keep > reporting, >> including my native language spams in other accounts too but there is > >> something changed I believe. > > As noted, the SC BL entries expire so if the spamsource is rotated > elsewhere you will have to use other blocklists for effectiveness in > the first hours after reuse. > >> I am supposed to be blocking whole China and Korea but they don't > work too. > > Blocklist brazil.blackholes.us seems to be working again, so maybe the > others will too. If you can check the IP addresses that slip through > then you may be able to tell us whether the problem is an incomplete > blocklist or a failed lookup of a correct blocklist. > > For the record I quick reported 6883 spams in the month of December, > plus 67 that got though the filters and were full reported. There were > also about 70 goodmails plus 400 from 2 whitelisted mailing lists. No > non-spam was held. Ebay and paypal are blacklisted on this account, SA > level=3. Hi, Thanks really for explanation. I didn't know spamassasin was in first in "filter chain", that was what confused me. I didn't know also the SURBBL means spamcop listed spam targets. Have a nice day and thanks both Mike Easter and you. Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 14:18:36 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 07:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] webmail, "held mail" down right now Message-ID: Posting as a situation report. Cannot Load Address Temporarily unable to connect to 216.154.195.51:80: Connection refused Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 14:19:50 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 07:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-04 20:12:31 +0200, eddie said: > eddie wrote: >> Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago > Webmail is now working but submission of spam fails with following error: > > "Cannot send mail:smtpOpen: connect to smtp server failed (Connection refused) > Leave this page open and try 'reload' in a few minutes" I followed that suggestion and it actually worked that time. I mean after 5-7 mins, I clicked "reload" and it worked. Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 14:45:26 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 07:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Fixed (Re: webmail, "held mail" down right now) References: Message-ID: Hi, It is fixed now. I promise to wait 1-2 hours before posting this in future :) Ilgaz On 2006-01-09 14:18:36 +0200, Ilgaz Ocal said: > Posting as a situation report. > Cannot Load Address > Temporarily unable to connect to 216.154.195.51:80: Connection refused > > Ilgaz From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 07:47:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Jan 9 08:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:dps4ta$nvm$2@news.spamcop.net... > On 2006-01-08 00:33:25 +0200, "Mike Easter" said: > > > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > > > >> I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. > > > > There are some very non-responsive .cn and .kr and other providers. > > > > Here is a simple example: > > http://mailsc.spamcop.net/sc?track=222.139.5.209 > It is listed -- there have been 2 user reports and some spamtrap hits. It was listed for several days in December. BTW I do not see reports from you for this IP. Ellen SpamCop From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 18:33:49 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 11:35:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How come couple of Chinese ISPs not getting blocked yet? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-09 14:47:25 +0200, "Ellen" said: > > > "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message > news:dps4ta$nvm$2@news.spamcop.net... >> On 2006-01-08 00:33:25 +0200, "Mike Easter" said: >> >>> Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >>> >>>> I get spam mainly from 2 ISPs in China. >>> >>> There are some very non-responsive .cn and .kr and other providers. >>> >> >> Here is a simple example: >> >> http://mailsc.spamcop.net/sc?track=222.139.5.209 >> > > It is listed -- there have been 2 user reports and some spamtrap hits. It > was listed for several days in December. BTW I do not see reports from you > for this IP. > > > Ellen > SpamCop Hi, It is interesting since I picked that IP randomly from "past reports" feature. Well thanks for explanation. In fact "rejects spamcop reports" kind of alerts are useful, I choose who to do business based on their acts on security, spam etc. (cancelled my paypal account for instance) Ilgaz From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 13:04:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Maxx Excaliber) Date: Tue Jan 10 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? References: Message-ID: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:19:50 +0200, Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > On 2006-01-04 20:12:31 +0200, eddie said: > >> eddie wrote: >>> Cannot access webmail. It just happened a few minutes ago >> Webmail is now working but submission of spam fails with following >> error: >> >> "Cannot send mail:smtpOpen: connect to smtp server failed (Connection >> refused) Leave this page open and try 'reload' in a few minutes" > > I followed that suggestion and it actually worked that time. I mean after > 5-7 mins, I clicked "reload" and it worked. > > Ilgaz I, on the other hand, am unable to log into Webmail from two different machines on two different networks. It keeps telling me my login failed for some reason, yadda yadda yadda... Of course, my username/password are saved in my Firefox at home, so I don't *have* to enter them, but I tried anyway. Still no luck. I've emailed JT, so hopefully it'll get fixed ASAP! It *appears* to me that whatever authentication method JT is using for webmail is different from actual POP/IMAP and that just the webmail authentication is broken. -- Maxx Excaliber mrmaxx@spamcop.net Just a user, NOT an Admin/Deputy From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 10:13:40 2006 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Jan 10 13:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maxx Excaliber wrote: > > I, on the other hand, am unable to log into Webmail from two different > machines on two different networks. It keeps telling me my login failed > for some reason, yadda yadda yadda... Of course, my username/password are > saved in my Firefox at home, so I don't *have* to enter them, but I tried > anyway. Still no luck. I've emailed JT, so hopefully it'll get fixed ASAP! > It *appears* to me that whatever authentication method JT is using for > webmail is different from actual POP/IMAP and that just the webmail > authentication is broken. I am getting the same message when logging into Webmail: "Login failed for some reason. Make sure you use your FULL EMAIL ADDRESS as the username." This after When I try to retrieve mail with my email client software, it reports that "mail.spamcop.net" has timed out, although traceroute says it's alive. I browsed the email forums for some new info and there was nada. I have also email JT (from a gmail account). My spam reporting functions have not been affected. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 10:14:59 2006 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Jan 10 13:15:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > > I am getting the same message when logging into Webmail: "Login failed > for some reason. Make sure you use your FULL EMAIL ADDRESS as the > username." This after Oops. This after already logging in this morning and reviewing my email via Webmail. It even let me in intermittently after getting the error message. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 10:27:58 2006 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Jan 10 13:30:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > > I browsed the email forums for some new info and there was nada. Check that. Seems it's a global problem; several posters in the forum have spoken. From tmcgraw at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 10:43:37 2006 From: tmcgraw at spamcop.net (Tim McGraw) Date: Tue Jan 10 13:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: webmail down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> I browsed the email forums for some new info and there was nada. > > Check that. > > Seems it's a global problem; several posters in the forum have spoken. I am back up and other posters say email came back up ~10:37 a.m. PST. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 17:38:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:40:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Email system Message-ID: The email system (@spamcop.net, @cesmail.net, @cqmail.net) may be encountering problems again. Jeff is aware of the issues and working on them. Thanks for your patience! Ellen SpamCop From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 14:38:51 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue Jan 17 00:40:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? Message-ID: I sometimes check my webmail.spamcop.net account, and recently more and more spam makes it into it. There is an option "Report as Spam" on top - what does it do? It seems not to go to the normal spamcop reporting (as from the Held Email queue when selecting Queue for Reporting). Nothing about it in Help either. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 12:08:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Jan 17 12:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? References: Message-ID: "Patto" wrote in message news:dqhvtc$efk$1@news.spamcop.net... > I sometimes check my webmail.spamcop.net account, and recently more and > more spam makes it into it. There is an option "Report as Spam" on top - > what does it do? It seems not to go to the normal spamcop reporting (as > from the Held Email queue when selecting Queue for Reporting). > > Nothing about it in Help either. It is quick reporting -- it parses the spams, reports the injecting IP but no urls, sends you an email to say that it has done the parse and sent the reports. Ellen From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 14:37:36 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Jan 17 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? References: Message-ID: "Patto" wrote in message news:dqhvtc$efk$1@news.spamcop.net... > I sometimes check my webmail.spamcop.net account, and recently more and > more spam makes it into it. There is an option "Report as Spam" on top - > what does it do? It seems not to go to the normal spamcop reporting (as > from the Held Email queue when selecting Queue for Reporting). > > Nothing about it in Help either. The SpamCop Filtered E-mail Accounts / System is hosted on JT's systems on the other coast (as are these newsgroups) .... JT's preference is that e-mail account support stuff be handled via the Forum .. where you will also find a much-expanded and a more up-to-date FAQ, How To .... things, etc. Please see http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ and / or http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=20 http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=home From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 18 11:49:49 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue Jan 17 21:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > "Patto" wrote in message > news:dqhvtc$efk$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I sometimes check my webmail.spamcop.net account, and recently more and >> more spam makes it into it. There is an option "Report as Spam" on top - >> what does it do? It seems not to go to the normal spamcop reporting (as >> from the Held Email queue when selecting Queue for Reporting). >> >> Nothing about it in Help either. > > It is quick reporting -- it parses the spams, reports the injecting IP but > no urls, sends you an email to say that it has done the parse and sent the > reports. > > Ellen Thanks for the info. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jan 18 11:51:26 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Tue Jan 17 21:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: .... JT's > preference is that e-mail account support stuff be handled via > the Forum .. where you will also find a much-expanded and a > more up-to-date FAQ, How To .... things, etc. Why is there no link from the main SC page to this forum? It would be so much easier to find it if there were a link somewhere. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 21:13:30 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Jan 17 22:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? References: Message-ID: "Patto" wrote in message news:dqkafe$134$2@news.spamcop.net... > WazoO wrote: > .... JT's > > preference is that e-mail account support stuff be handled via > > the Forum .. where you will also find a much-expanded and a > > more up-to-date FAQ, How To .... things, etc. > > Why is there no link from the main SC page to this forum? It would be so > much easier to find it if there were a link somewhere. ????? First page after hitting the "Help" link at top-right http://www.spamcop.net/help.shtml Web-based Bulletin Boards Use the bulletin boards to communicate directly with other SpamCop users. Index of all forums <-------- But again, the Parsing & Reporting stuff is all run on IronPort controlled and maintained hardware .... so access to that side of the house is by IronPort and paid SpanCop staff folks ... So what's on those pages are up to those folks. I'm doing what I can for support from JT's systems. From blah at something.com Wed Jan 18 19:29:30 2006 From: blah at something.com (Kevin Hurni) Date: Wed Jan 18 19:30:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately Message-ID: Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop is missing. And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: jewelry watches Home.finance long.formula home.cash What's going on with Spamcop? Did they switch filters? Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails (message bodies are all the same). From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 20 18:38:30 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Jan 20 19:40:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message news:MPG.1e3b3670b349e342989681@news.spamcop.net... > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. > > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop is > missing. > > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > (message bodies are all the same). Support for a SpamCop filtered e-mail account has been pointed to the Forum by the guy that hosts and runs it .. The spamcop.mail newsgroup does exist (you posted there a couple of days ago) ... but as noted, it's not a very lively group. Why you are pointing to Subject Lines and content when asking about the various SpamCop E-mail account filter selections available to you is lost on me. Specific questions on a specific spam might be answered if data was provided, preferably via a Tracking URL .... Setting follow-ups to spamcop.mail ... and having to note that at the time of this posting, the Forum is down ... JT's stated that it may be an hour or so before he can get on-site .... I can't log in, so it appears to more than just the database error showing on screen. From gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com Fri Jan 20 22:55:01 2006 From: gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com (John Dlugosz) Date: Sat Jan 21 00:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] How do I check my paid account status / expiration date? Message-ID: I stopped getting email on Sunday, and I'm trying to track down the problem. I'm wondering if spamcop is not giving me anything when I POP, and not showing anything in the webmail inbox either, even though it is still putting spam into the held mail box. I tried to check my "paid up" status, but can't find any account status or information on the web site anywhere! How do I check on this? --John From gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com Fri Jan 20 22:59:19 2006 From: gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com (John Dlugosz) Date: Sat Jan 21 00:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? Message-ID: Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. What's going on? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 20 23:04:00 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 21 00:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How do I check my paid account status / expiration date? References: Message-ID: "John Dlugosz" wrote in message news:dqser5$hg$1@news.spamcop.net... > I stopped getting email on Sunday, and I'm trying to track down the problem. > > I'm wondering if spamcop is not giving me anything when I POP, and not > showing anything in the webmail inbox either, even though it is still > putting spam into the held mail box. > > I tried to check my "paid up" status, but can't find any account status > or information on the web site anywhere! How do I check on this? http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ Original SpamCop FAQ & Added Forum Items, Never up to date, changes often http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 SpamCop FAQ .... (FAQ = Frequently Asked Questions) Jump To Section Links -> ...... SpamCop Email System & Accounts http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238#SCESA When does my account expire? http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2971&st=0&p=19515&#entry19515 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 20 23:36:56 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 21 00:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: "John Dlugosz" wrote in message news:dqsf38$o8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held > Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. > > What's going on? Yet again, another item previously discussed in the Forum. Usual symptom is that you've managed to blacklist your own ISP/e-mail server ... but there's no way to tell from Thais side of the screen with no data provided. While you're looking through the Forum, check out the Glossary and look up the definition of Tracking URL ..... From 300 at crd-dwc.com Fri Jan 20 23:44:25 2006 From: 300 at crd-dwc.com (300c_pilot) Date: Sat Jan 21 01:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: I have just learned that one of my Postfix servers, which is using SpamCop & spamhaus to filter incoming spam has had two rejections based on SpamCop & one on Spamhaus, in 24 hours. But in the mean time the server has forwarded just over 18,000 spams for 751 fictional users to /dev/null. The other thing I see is 1000's of failed connections. This machine normally see's about 1000 spam a day and processes about 50 leget emails. Where are the replies? Normally about 10-15 spam get through a day. "WazoO" wrote in message news:dqrvqc$o7g$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message > news:MPG.1e3b3670b349e342989681@news.spamcop.net... > > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. > > > > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop is > > missing. > > > > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > > > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > > (message bodies are all the same). > > Support for a SpamCop filtered e-mail account has been pointed > to the Forum by the guy that hosts and runs it .. The spamcop.mail > newsgroup does exist (you posted there a couple of days ago) ... > but as noted, it's not a very lively group. > > Why you are pointing to Subject Lines and content when asking > about the various SpamCop E-mail account filter selections > available to you is lost on me. Specific questions on a specific > spam might be answered if data was provided, preferably via > a Tracking URL .... > > Setting follow-ups to spamcop.mail ... and having to note that at > the time of this posting, the Forum is down ... JT's stated that it > may be an hour or so before he can get on-site .... I can't log in, > so it appears to more than just the database error showing on screen. > > From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Sat Jan 21 06:37:16 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Sat Jan 21 07:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How do I check my paid account status / expiration date? References: Message-ID: In article , John Dlugosz writes: > I tried to check my "paid up" status, but can't find any account status > or information on the web site anywhere! How do I check on this? My own method is to check in Quicken for the last time I sent a check. From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Sat Jan 21 06:38:46 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Sat Jan 21 07:40:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: In article , John Dlugosz writes: > Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held > Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. > > What's going on? One thing to check is to ensure "Block All" is not set on page http://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/blacklists.php . Then be sure those you "regularly exchange messages with" are actually on your whitelist. From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Sat Jan 21 06:41:08 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Sat Jan 21 07:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: In article , "WazoO" writes: > "John Dlugosz" wrote in message > news:dqsf38$o8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held >> Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. >> >> What's going on? > > Yet again, another item previously discussed in the Forum. Don't mind Wazoo, he seems to be paid based on how many times he mentions a non-standard discussion mechanism while not answering the question on this News server. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jan 21 08:49:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Jan 21 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How do I check my paid account status / expiration date? References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:dqsfc9$vc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > When does my account expire? > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2971&st=0&p=19515&#entry19515 > > I get an error on that url -- specifically an sql error: mySQL error: Lost connection to MySQL server during query mySQL error code: Date: Saturday 21st of January 2006 08:50:55 A Ellen From blah at something.com Sat Jan 21 11:13:47 2006 From: blah at something.com (Kevin Hurni) Date: Sat Jan 21 11:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: Thanks, I figured I'd post here just to get a response. I referred to the subject lines and the content because that is how most spam filters work (they analyze the subject, content, and possibly IP address of sender). But maybe spamcop ONLY blocks on IP address of the sender (which would explain a lot)? But it appears that you are suggesting to configure spamcop to block everything and then whitelist individual senders. Basially: Compensate for the spamcop filtering that is missing stuff. Kinda like people who have to configure their AV filter to block ALL incoming attachments for viruses to compensate for the time it takes for a pattern file to update. (Poor design, IMO). Ironically we have an Ironport system at work using Brightmail that catches far more than spamcop does (and I see spamcop is owned by Ironport). So perhaps I'm better contacting Ironport directly and asking what's going on. In article , nobody@devnull.spamcop.net says... > "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message > news:MPG.1e3b3670b349e342989681@news.spamcop.net... > > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. > > > > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop is > > missing. > > > > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > > > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > > (message bodies are all the same). > > Support for a SpamCop filtered e-mail account has been pointed > to the Forum by the guy that hosts and runs it .. The spamcop.mail > newsgroup does exist (you posted there a couple of days ago) ... > but as noted, it's not a very lively group. > > Why you are pointing to Subject Lines and content when asking > about the various SpamCop E-mail account filter selections > available to you is lost on me. Specific questions on a specific > spam might be answered if data was provided, preferably via > a Tracking URL .... > > Setting follow-ups to spamcop.mail ... and having to note that at > the time of this posting, the Forum is down ... JT's stated that it > may be an hour or so before he can get on-site .... I can't log in, > so it appears to more than just the database error showing on screen. > > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 21 14:15:35 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 21 15:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: How do I check my paid account status / expiration date? References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:dqteib$hri$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:dqsfc9$vc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > When does my account expire? > > > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2971&st=0&p=19515&#entry19515 > > I get an error on that url -- specifically an sql error: > > mySQL error: Lost connection to MySQL server during query > mySQL error code: > Date: Saturday 21st of January 2006 08:50:55 A Back up now .... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 21 21:44:07 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 21 22:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:NBVQRpfiOWPi@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , "WazoO" writes: > > "John Dlugosz" wrote in message > > news:dqsf38$o8$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held > >> Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. > >> > >> What's going on? > > > > Yet again, another item previously discussed in the Forum. > > Don't mind Wazoo, he seems to be paid based on how many times he mentions > a non-standard discussion mechanism while not answering the question on > this News server. Apparently you missed both "an answer" and a request for specific data to look at and discuss ... and that this is a Frequently Asked Question with more data provided already in "that other place" Data I'm talking about repeated here; > > Usual symptom is that you've managed to blacklist your > > own ISP/e-mail server ... but there's no way to tell from > Thais side of the screen with no data provided. While you're > looking through the Forum, check out the Glossary and look > up the definition of Tracking URL ..... As far as being paid ..... all work done as a "volunteer" .... Admin / maintainer of the Forum http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ Forum version of the SpamCop FAQ . much expanded http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 SpamCop Glossary http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4473 SpamCop Dictionary http://forum.spamcop.net/dict/ SpamCop KnowledgeBase http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq Portal Page for an introduction to everything SpamCop http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=home and more stuff under development as we speak .... the only "pay" received is the enjoyment of comments like this ... Thanks for the kind words. Please recollect that it was JT, owner of the systems that host these newsgroups, the Forum, and some of the other tools I've installed that made the call on SpamCop E-mail Account support issues .... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Jan 22 00:25:09 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Jan 22 01:30:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: "300c_pilot" <300@crd-dwc.com> wrote in message news:dqsl86$3u3$1@news.spamcop.net... > I have just learned that one of my Postfix servers, which is using SpamCop & > spamhaus to filter incoming spam has had two rejections based on SpamCop & > one on Spamhaus, in 24 hours. But in the mean time the server has forwarded > just over 18,000 spams for 751 fictional users to /dev/null. The other thing > I see is 1000's of failed connections. This machine normally see's about > 1000 spam a day and processes about 50 leget emails. You posted into a newsgroup & thread that is directed towards the ise of a SpamCop Filtered E-mail Account (though perhaps I've misread the original poster's query?) You seem to be talking about the use of the SpamCopDBSBL which is something else entirely. In that light, you are also talking about different systems, hardware, software on two different U.S. coasts, owned and ran by different people. Perhaps a look at an "Overview of SpamCop Services: What is SpamCop?" might help? http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=20 > Where are the replies? Replies to what? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Jan 22 00:30:52 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Jan 22 01:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message news:MPG.1e3c27c22330e5aa989682@news.spamcop.net... > Thanks, I figured I'd post here just to get a response. You posted this into a newsgroup that is targeted to the use of a SpamCOp Filtered E-mail account ..... no one else jumped in, and when I saw you make your repeted posts into other newsgroups, I tried to respond, based on what I thought I'd read ... > I referred to the subject lines and the content because that is how most > spam filters work (they analyze the subject, content, and possibly IP > address of sender). > > But maybe spamcop ONLY blocks on IP address of the sender (which would > explain a lot)? You apparently seem to be talking about the use of the SpamCopDNSBL, which is not a SpamCop e-mail account ... Yes, the SpamCopDNSBL only deals with IP adresses .. perhaps see a breakout of the various parts of SpamCop.net at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=20 From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jan 22 02:41:42 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jan 22 05:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: Kevin Hurni wrote: Subject: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. I'm not posting here as an experienced user of spamcop's mail service, since I don't use it -- but as an experienced newsgroup participant who understands how very hard it is to newsgroup communicate. In order for it to work best, the words have to be contextually integrated with each other, like a conversation between us, as this post does. That requires trimming and contextualizing. Top posting is not trimmed or contextualized and doesn't work right and leads to bad communication. You should also put important remarks in the body, not just the subject, because that aids in the contextualizing. > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop > is missing. Likely you don't have your filters configured optionally. > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > > jewelry > watches > Home.finance > long.formula > home.cash Characterizing a spam by its subject is not helpful. My personal spamfilter which is not spamcop uses IP addresses blocklists, called dnsbl/s. It also uses a regex filter on the body, which is similar to SC's usage of SpamAssassin. > What's going on with Spamcop? Did they switch filters? You configure your SC filters. There's not much in the faq about that, but there's quite a bit in the webforum which discusses leaky filters. The best page is http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1895 If I were using SC mail, I would configure it like I do my SpamPal, which is to make heavy usage of the dnsbl blocklists, including countries. You can also tighten SA SpamAssassin's scoring system. > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > (message bodies are all the same). Reporting a spamsubject doesn't do anything to prevent a future occurrence of that subject. SC reporting reports spamsources and contributes them to the SCbl. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jan 22 02:46:58 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jan 22 05:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: Kevin Hurni wrote: > Thanks, I figured I'd post here just to get a response. This top post puts your remark out of context to whatever it is you are replying to. You need to trim and contextualize your remarks. > I referred to the subject lines and the content because that is how > most spam filters work (they analyze the subject, content, and > possibly IP address of sender). Clearly you don't understand how your spamcop mail filter is supposed to work, so you are going to have to educate yourself on how to configure it for best effect. SC mail filter uses blocklists, SA SpamAssassin, and whitelists. > But maybe spamcop ONLY blocks on IP address of the sender (which would > explain a lot)? If you configure to only use blocklists, that would be true. Most people use blocklists and SA. > But it appears that you are suggesting to configure spamcop to block > everything and then whitelist individual senders. Personally I configure my SpamPal tight and count on whitelisting to prevent any false positives. Some people can't do that. > Basially: Compensate for the spamcop filtering that is missing stuff. A filter filters the way the filter is configured to filter. It isn't an emotional thing. > Kinda like people who have to configure their AV filter to block ALL > incoming attachments for viruses to compensate for the time it takes > for a pattern file to update. (Poor design, IMO). That sounds like another different discussion. I don't have a problem with false positives with my AV filter or with my spam filter. You are having a problem with false negatives with your spam filter, probably because you don't understand it well enough. > Ironically we have an Ironport system at work using Brightmail that > catches far more than spamcop does (and I see spamcop is owned by > Ironport). SpamCop is owned by Ironport, yes. > So perhaps I'm better contacting Ironport directly and asking what's > going on. Whatever trips your trigger. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nospam at nospam.org Sun Jan 22 13:43:53 2006 From: nospam at nospam.org (Ejo) Date: Sun Jan 22 07:45:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin Hurni wrote: > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. > > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop is > missing. > > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > > jewelry > watches > Home.finance > long.formula > home.cash > > What's going on with Spamcop? Did they switch filters? > > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > (message bodies are all the same). There is an independent thread in newsgroup spamcop on this nntp server. From blah at something.com Sun Jan 22 17:16:24 2006 From: blah at something.com (Kevin Hurni) Date: Sun Jan 22 17:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: In article , nobody@devnull.spamcop.net says... > "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message > news:MPG.1e3c27c22330e5aa989682@news.spamcop.net... > > Thanks, I figured I'd post here just to get a response. > > You posted this into a newsgroup that is targeted to the use of a > SpamCOp Filtered E-mail account ..... no one else jumped in, > and when I saw you make your repeted posts into other newsgroups, > I tried to respond, based on what I thought I'd read ... > > > I referred to the subject lines and the content because that is how most > > spam filters work (they analyze the subject, content, and possibly IP > > address of sender). > > > > But maybe spamcop ONLY blocks on IP address of the sender (which would > > explain a lot)? > > You apparently seem to be talking about the use of the SpamCopDNSBL, > which is not a SpamCop e-mail account ... Yes, the SpamCopDNSBL only > deals with IP adresses .. perhaps see a breakout of the various parts of > SpamCop.net at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=20 > Sorry for the confusion, (now I'm posting into the 'correct' group according to the website). This is regarding the filtered email account. From blah at something.com Sun Jan 22 17:21:24 2006 From: blah at something.com (Kevin Hurni) Date: Sun Jan 22 17:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: In article , MikeE@ster.invalid says... > Kevin Hurni wrote: > > Thanks, I figured I'd post here just to get a response. > > This top post puts your remark out of context to whatever it is you are > replying to. You need to trim and contextualize your remarks. > > > I referred to the subject lines and the content because that is how > > most spam filters work (they analyze the subject, content, and > > possibly IP address of sender). > > Clearly you don't understand how your spamcop mail filter is supposed to > work, so you are going to have to educate yourself on how to configure > it for best effect. SC mail filter uses blocklists, SA SpamAssassin, > and whitelists. > Is this more to your liking? BTW, I AM using all three that you mentioned. Blocklists and SA is checked. I've had to whitelist probably less than 5 senders in the 3 years or so that I've had the account. > > But maybe spamcop ONLY blocks on IP address of the sender (which would > > explain a lot)? > > If you configure to only use blocklists, that would be true. Most > people use blocklists and SA. > > > But it appears that you are suggesting to configure spamcop to block > > everything and then whitelist individual senders. > > Personally I configure my SpamPal tight and count on whitelisting to > prevent any false positives. Some people can't do that. > > > Basially: Compensate for the spamcop filtering that is missing stuff. > > A filter filters the way the filter is configured to filter. It isn't > an emotional thing. > Never said it was. However, the analogy (listed below) is basically the same thing. If you don't want any spam, simply rely only on a whitelist. A lot of "anti-spam" vendors will use this similar configuration to claim a 100% spam catch rate and 0% false positive (why 0% because you can still technically go into the quarantine area and weed out the ones you want). Same goes for an AV filter. If you don't want any viruses in your system/email then block everything. (HP sent out an email about 6 months ago informing us of like 30+ attachments we can no longer send to them due to viruses). > > Kinda like people who have to configure their AV filter to block ALL > > incoming attachments for viruses to compensate for the time it takes > > for a pattern file to update. (Poor design, IMO). > > That sounds like another different discussion. I don't have a problem > with false positives with my AV filter or with my spam filter. You are > having a problem with false negatives with your spam filter, probably > because you don't understand it well enough. > I'm pretty sure I do understand it. (thanks for making the repeated assumptions). > > Ironically we have an Ironport system at work using Brightmail that > > catches far more than spamcop does (and I see spamcop is owned by > > Ironport). > > SpamCop is owned by Ironport, yes. > > > So perhaps I'm better contacting Ironport directly and asking what's > > going on. > From blah at something.com Sun Jan 22 17:24:25 2006 From: blah at something.com (Kevin Hurni) Date: Sun Jan 22 17:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: In article , MikeE@ster.invalid says... > Kevin Hurni wrote: > Subject: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately > > Usually maybe 1-5 pieces of spam slips through/day. > > I'm not posting here as an experienced user of spamcop's mail service, > since I don't use it -- but as an experienced newsgroup participant who > understands how very hard it is to newsgroup communicate. In order for > it to work best, the words have to be contextually integrated with each > other, like a conversation between us, as this post does. That requires > trimming and contextualizing. Top posting is not trimmed or > contextualized and doesn't work right and leads to bad communication. > You should also put important remarks in the body, not just the subject, > because that aids in the contextualizing. > > > However, the last week, I'm getting 20-40 pieces of spam that spamcop > > is missing. > > Likely you don't have your filters configured optionally. > > > And they're ALL very similar subject lines like: > > > > jewelry > > watches > > Home.finance > > long.formula > > home.cash > > Characterizing a spam by its subject is not helpful. My personal > spamfilter which is not spamcop uses IP addresses blocklists, called > dnsbl/s. It also uses a regex filter on the body, which is similar to > SC's usage of SpamAssassin. > > > What's going on with Spamcop? Did they switch filters? > > You configure your SC filters. There's not much in the faq about that, > but there's quite a bit in the webforum which discusses leaky filters. > > The best page is > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1895 > > If I were using SC mail, I would configure it like I do my SpamPal, > which is to make heavy usage of the dnsbl blocklists, including > countries. You can also tighten SA SpamAssassin's scoring system. > > > Even after reporting these, I continue to get the same type of emails > > (message bodies are all the same). > > Reporting a spamsubject doesn't do anything to prevent a future > occurrence of that subject. SC reporting reports spamsources and > contributes them to the SCbl. All emails were submitted via the web interface for reporting missed spam. My point is that after days/weeks of reporting the same email (all identical except for "sender" when they're grouped), they still continue to come through. But obviously you're convinced (ironic since you don't use the service I'm talking about) that it's misconfigured. Thanks for your help. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jan 22 14:28:38 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jan 22 17:30:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: Kevin Hurni wrote: > BTW, I AM using all three that you mentioned. Blocklists and SA is > checked. I've had to whitelist probably less than 5 senders in the 3 > years or so that I've had the account. I read somewhere recently that there was trouble with the spamcop country dnsbl filter for .cn If you will post a tracker for a spam which SC missed, I can tell you how I would block it with spampal's dnsbl/s and perhaps someone else around here will tell you how to improve the configuration of the SC filtering. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jan 23 07:42:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Jan 23 07:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Spamcop missing a LOT of spam lately References: Message-ID: "Kevin Hurni" wrote in message news:MPG.1e3dd024592d625e989686@news.spamcop.net... > In article , MikeE@ster.invalid says... > > But obviously you're convinced (ironic since you don't use the service > I'm talking about) that it's misconfigured. > > Thanks for your help. New compromised machines are being created by worm/virus infections daily -- thousands of new ones every day. When a spammer gathers up thousands of 'never before seen in spam headers' new zombies and does a huge spam blast it takes all the blocklists time to catch up. This results in spams "leaking" thru the filters. Short of whitelisting all your correspondents and blacklisting everything else in your prefs, there is not much else that you can do. It certainly helps if you report the spams that make it thru your filter defenses to help to ensure that the IPs get blocked. Ellen SpamCop From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:32:03 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 07:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-21 06:59:19 +0200, John Dlugosz said: > Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held > Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. > > What's going on? They should have explanation near them in "held mail" page. E.g. "blocked by bl.spamcop.net" (you must white list that particular mail address), "spamassasin" (tell sender not to send spam like mail or lower your filter). If they are blocked by 3rd parties, you should either review why that mail is blocked via going their site (never send anything as you aren't postmaster) or again, white list sender. If they are blocked by 3rd parties and as Spamcop picked the "respected" ones without a doubt, you should also tell sender to switch to a more seriously maintained ISP. They don't get blocked for nothing you know. Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:35:16 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 07:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Webmail "Report as Spam" - what does it do? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-17 19:08:20 +0200, "Ellen" said: > > "Patto" wrote in message > news:dqhvtc$efk$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I sometimes check my webmail.spamcop.net account, and recently more and >> more spam makes it into it. There is an option "Report as Spam" on top - >> what does it do? It seems not to go to the normal spamcop reporting (as >> from the Held Email queue when selecting Queue for Reporting). >> >> Nothing about it in Help either. > > It is quick reporting -- it parses the spams, reports the injecting IP but > no urls, sends you an email to say that it has done the parse and sent the > reports. > > Ellen Hi, Guess what? I didn't know "quick reporting" does not parse the URLs in the spam. Wow thanks Ilgaz ps: When does WazOo get blocked by this nntp server? :) From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:42:41 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 07:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-22 05:44:07 +0200, "WazoO" said: > "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message > news:NBVQRpfiOWPi@eisner.encompasserve.org... >> In article , "WazoO" > writes: >>> "John Dlugosz" wrote in > message >>> news:dqsf38$o8$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> Starting some time on Sunday, EVERY message is being sent to "Held >>>> Mail", including those I regularly exchange messages with. >>>> >>>> What's going on? >>> >>> Yet again, another item previously discussed in the Forum. >> >> Don't mind Wazoo, he seems to be paid based on how many times he mentions >> a non-standard discussion mechanism while not answering the question on >> this News server. > > Apparently you missed both "an answer" and a request for specific data > to look at and discuss ... and that this is a Frequently Asked Question > with more data provided already in "that other place" Data I'm > talking about repeated here; > >>> Usual symptom is that you've managed to blacklist your >>> own ISP/e-mail server ... but there's no way to tell from >> Thais side of the screen with no data provided. While you're >> looking through the Forum, check out the Glossary and look >> up the definition of Tracking URL ..... > > As far as being paid ..... all work done as a "volunteer" .... > > Admin / maintainer of the Forum > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ > > > the only "pay" received is the enjoyment of comments like this ... > Thanks for the kind words. > > Please recollect that it was JT, owner of the systems that host > these newsgroups, the Forum, and some of the other tools > I've installed that made the call on SpamCop E-mail Account > support issues .... Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp server, web, whatever. You seriously need a attitude change. Notice if you weren't connected with spamcop like this, you really deserve 10 byte on my kill file. No offense but I won't really spare time to your "cool" replies and answer them. Who is JT? The host company for imap.spamcop.net ? They should really mind their own business and work for implementing a real secure login (Kerberos,APOP etc) for the IMAP/POP3 server. Also give us a SMTP server for Gods sake! I am struggling with my ISP's false service advertising SMTP for months. I am not getting into any forum etc. "volunteer" admined by you seriously. I support the Spamcop, the idea it is based on and if the JT whatever not liking the way we request support, I may pay that $30 as donation instead of their service. Ilgaz From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:55:39 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 08:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? Message-ID: Hi, I would not do anything on the forums administered by WazOo nicked person as he jumps to every single forum post, has a seriously flaming attitude etc. I hear on every single response of him that "JT" does not want us to use standard local nntp server way of describing our problems. If that is the issue, I can not use forums if an issue happens. I simply REJECT any "web forum" administered by some persons alter ego. If they are volunteer with such attitude, it is worse as they have nothing to lose and we "owe" them for some reason. I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a way to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. If "JT" is more interested in diverting people from a standard based support NNTP server to some web board administered by non responsible (in financial, work terms) third parties ego, I am out. While there are excellently secure ways of supporting SMTP, they reject it. A secure login/TLS/port 583 mandatory SMTP server could be setup instead of sparing time teaching their customers how to get support for instance. I use computers since 1983 and I really know how to setup my own mail server with a fixed IP and host name, the real idea behind this is the SUPPORT to Spamcop. Consider it as a open posting. Ilgaz ?cal From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 15:08:06 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 08:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Usenet support groups for mail Message-ID: Hi, As I heard it is a policy and some of us hates web forums, here is a search for "mail" on usenet groups. http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=0,16823695&q=mail+comp&prev=mail+comp Interesting ones are: news:comp.mail.imap news:comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows news:comp.mail.eudora.mac news://msnews.microsoft.com (a local NNTP server used for all ms products, like this one) news://news.mozilla.org (again a local NNTP server used for all Mozilla products) Of course, if it is a IMAP server down, up issue they can not help. Ilgaz ?cal From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 08:38:37 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Thu Jan 26 09:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Usenet support groups for mail References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:drahjl$obq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Hi, > > As I heard it is a policy and some of us hates web forums, here is a > search for "mail" on usenet groups. > > http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=0,16823695&q=mail+comp&prev=mail+comp > > Interesting ones are: > news:comp.mail.imap > news:comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows > news:comp.mail.eudora.mac > news://msnews.microsoft.com (a local NNTP server used for all ms > products, like this one) > news://news.mozilla.org (again a local NNTP server used for all Mozilla > products) And none of those have much to do with the care and use of a SpamCop filtered e-mail account ..???? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jan 26 06:55:00 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jan 26 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > I would not do anything on the forums administered by WazOo nicked > person as he jumps to every single forum post, has a seriously flaming > attitude etc. Whether you like to interact in a community of webforum or nntp participants, everyone is going to have their individual style. One of the nice things about nntp is its ability to fiter out or killfile those individuals whose posts you don't want to read. > I hear on every single response of him that "JT" does not want us to > use standard local nntp server way of describing our problems. I think the way it works is that JT believes that the webforum is a good way to handle the problem of many users not being nntp savvy. How to provide the full spectrum of support is complicated. There's news. There's a mailing list. There's a webfaq. There's a webforum. There's a webforum faq structure. There's deputy email support. My philosophy is different from someone else's philosophy -- but the important philosophy is that one the one who is actually administering. > If that is the issue, I can not use forums if an issue happens. I > simply REJECT any "web forum" administered by some persons alter ego. > If they are volunteer with such attitude, it is worse as they have > nothing to lose and we "owe" them for some reason. Your reason for avoiding the webforum may be different from my reason for avoiding the webforum -- but we might share our preference for nntp interaction. > I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a > way to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. As a customer, that entitles you to criticize what is wrong with it. > If "JT" is more interested in diverting people from a standard based > support NNTP server to some web board administered by non responsible > (in financial, work terms) third parties ego, I am out. I support your wish for mail support in nntp based news forums. > While there are excellently secure ways of supporting SMTP, they > reject it. A secure login/TLS/port 583 mandatory SMTP server could be > setup instead of sparing time teaching their customers how to get > support for instance. I think you are saying that while the spamcop mail system is a good spam filtering system, it is not what some people call a 'robust' mail service. Another example of a mail service is cotse, which could be considered more robust. It is also a spamfiltering system, but maybe it isn't as good at spamfiltering as spamcop. http://www.cotse.net/services.html Single-User Accounts > I use computers since 1983 and I really know how to setup my own mail > server with a fixed IP and host name, the real idea behind this is the > SUPPORT to Spamcop. > > Consider it as a open posting. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jan 26 07:03:24 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jan 26 10:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >> I hear on every single response of him that "JT" does not want us to >> use standard local nntp server way of describing our problems. > > I think the way it works is that JT believes that the webforum is a > good way to handle the problem of many users not being nntp savvy. However, he could have also handled the problem of providing a webbased newsgroup interaction in the manner of grc. news://news.grc.com for the nntp newsserver http://www.grc.com/discussions.htm Gibson Research Discussions Online > How to provide the full spectrum of support is complicated. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 09:17:36 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Thu Jan 26 10:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:dragsb$o9p$1@news.spamcop.net... > One thread starts at http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2004-January/071447.html > I would not do anything on the forums administered by WazOo nicked > person as he jumps to every single forum post, has a seriously flaming > attitude etc. Yeah, whatever ... I do make sure everything gets an answer. As I'm awake more hours than not, that also usually means that I'm the first responder also. Me actually flaming someone is pretty rare. I'll also assume you skipped over the numerous "thanks" received while focusing on the "flaming" ...???? Section 8 - SpamCop's System & Active Staff http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=13 > I hear on every single response of him that "JT" does not want us to > use standard local nntp server way of describing our problems. Just one of the threads in one SpamCop newsgroup pointed to previously. There are other threads in the other Archives also. The Forum versus the newsgroups has come up often over the years. > If that is the issue, I can not use forums if an issue happens. I > simply REJECT any "web forum" administered by some persons alter ego. > If they are volunteer with such attitude, it is worse as they have > nothing to lose and we "owe" them for some reason. Just as in these newsgroups, the action is user-to-user support. Yes, I'm filling the Admin slot, (there is a story behinf that) but .... there are several other folks with Moderating powers, and there are a number of others with relatively prolific postings. Some Topics I don't need to jump into as they were handled by other folks. > I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a way > to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. > If "JT" is more interested in diverting people from a standard based > support NNTP server to some web board administered by non responsible > (in financial, work terms) third parties ego, I am out. As seen in the referenced ancient newsgroup threads, one would ask where you've been. As far as non-responsivle (in work terms) ... once again .... over the last two years ..screw it, here's a copy of a recently posted bit into another thread (as it turns out, in this very newsgroup) .... =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=- As far as being paid ..... all work done as a "volunteer" .... Admin / maintainer of the Forum http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/ Forum version of the SpamCop FAQ . much expanded http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 SpamCop Glossary http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4473 SpamCop Dictionary http://forum.spamcop.net/dict/ SpamCop KnowledgeBase http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq Portal Page for an introduction to everything SpamCop http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=home and more stuff under development as we speak .... the only "pay" received is the enjoyment of comments like this ... Thanks for the kind words. Please recollect that it was JT, owner of the systems that host these newsgroups, the Forum, and some of the other tools I've installed that made the call on SpamCop E-mail Account support issues .... =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=- From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 17:45:23 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Thu Jan 26 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-26 17:17:36 +0200, "WazoO" said: > "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message > news:dragsb$o9p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > One thread starts at > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2004-January/071447.html > >> I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a way >> to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. > > Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these > newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are > all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has > the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. Ask the person who is taking care of donations, you will figure I really support Spamcop only. Or this is OS X really and if I pay 50% more to my ISP which I can really afford, I can run my own mail server on fixed IP. I tell JT should consider adding a SMTP server which has strict policies like "TLS only, port 583 secure login only" for "his" service. If spamcop does not get anything in return of the spamcop "hosted" individual mail, it should be openly said in the first page mentioning the service as well as it should warn that user has to find/use their own SMTP server. Ilgaz From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 11:56:42 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Thu Jan 26 13:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:draqqh$ve0$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 2006-01-26 17:17:36 +0200, "WazoO" said: > > No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a > support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. > > Ask the person who is taking care of donations, you will figure I > really support Spamcop only. I have no idea what you are paying for or who you are sending your money to. You first state "e-mail for a year" but then bring up "donations" .... if you follow the links, those options end up going to different people, different companies, different U.S. coasts .... That's your call. > I tell JT should consider adding a SMTP server which has strict > policies like "TLS only, port 583 secure login only" for "his" service. The last time "SpamCop.net" offered any SMTP service was back when Julian ran the whole thing on his own hardware, out of his own pocket. And even then, it wasn't a 'graceful' tool. The lack of SMTP remained when the newsgroups and e-mail services were moved over to JT's systems. Technically, JT's CES system/company does offer full e-mail capabilties, but that is not the $30 / year SpamCop.net thing. > If spamcop does not get anything in return of the spamcop "hosted" > individual mail, it should be openly said in the first page mentioning > the service as well as it should warn that user has to find/use their > own SMTP server. The business arrangement is something done between Julian and JT ... long before IronPort got involved. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:56:49 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 26 15:00:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" | > One thread starts at | > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2004-January/071447.html | > | >> I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a way | >> to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. | > | > Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these | > newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are | > all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has | > the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. | | | No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a | support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. | | Ask the person who is taking care of donations, you will figure I | really support Spamcop only. | | Or this is OS X really and if I pay 50% more to my ISP which I can | really afford, I can run my own mail server on fixed IP. | | I tell JT should consider adding a SMTP server which has strict | policies like "TLS only, port 583 secure login only" for "his" service. | | If spamcop does not get anything in return of the spamcop "hosted" | individual mail, it should be openly said in the first page mentioning | the service as well as it should warn that user has to find/use their | own SMTP server. | | Ilgaz Ilgaz, I'm over 60 suffered a serious heart attack a good while back. At that point I elected not to stress over those things I could not control. That plan worked so well I elected not to stress over those things I can control. JT could just have eazily 86ed the news groups. I don't care for the forum but don't stress over it much less make an issue of the matter. I'm happy that we still have the news groups. So take a nod from me, relax, go with the flow and enjoy life. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 14:39:00 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Thu Jan 26 15:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:drag41$n6j$3@news.spamcop.net... > > Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp server, > web, whatever. You seriously need a attitude change. Notice if you > weren't connected with spamcop like this, you really deserve 10 byte on > my kill file. > > No offense but I won't really spare time to your "cool" replies and > answer them. > > Who is JT? The host company for imap.spamcop.net ? They should really > mind their own business and work for implementing a real secure login > (Kerberos,APOP etc) for the IMAP/POP3 server. Just a bit of history and some of the players involved at < http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t4387.html> and again, you'll note other folks posting in there .... From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 23:28:26 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ilgaz_=C3=96cal?=) Date: Thu Jan 26 16:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:56:42 +0200, WazoO wrote: > "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message > news:draqqh$ve0$1@news.spamcop.net... >> On 2006-01-26 17:17:36 +0200, "WazoO" said: >> >> No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a >> support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. >> >> Ask the person who is taking care of donations, you will figure I >> really support Spamcop only. > > I have no idea what you are paying for or who you are sending > your money to. You first state "e-mail for a year" but then bring > up "donations" .... if you follow the links, those options end up > going to different people, different companies, different U.S. > coasts .... That's your call. > >> I tell JT should consider adding a SMTP server which has strict >> policies like "TLS only, port 583 secure login only" for "his" service. > > The last time "SpamCop.net" offered any SMTP service was back > when Julian ran the whole thing on his own hardware, out of his own > pocket. And even then, it wasn't a 'graceful' tool. The lack of SMTP > remained when the newsgroups and e-mail services were moved > over to JT's systems. Technically, JT's CES system/company does > offer full e-mail capabilties, but that is not the $30 / year SpamCop.net > thing. > >> If spamcop does not get anything in return of the spamcop "hosted" >> individual mail, it should be openly said in the first page mentioning >> the service as well as it should warn that user has to find/use their >> own SMTP server. > > The business arrangement is something done between Julian and JT ... > long before IronPort got involved. > > OK- I see you don't understand what I mean or act like not understanding. I donate to services if they give an option even if they are serving for free is what I tried to mean but nevermind, not trying to explain any further. If I need support, be sure I won't be heading to forums administered by you or any third party individual and I also thought Spamcop e mail system was an offer of Spamcop and/or Ironport. Feedback sent to both parties as a responsible user and for sake of "Frog Prince" post, I am not posting anything about this or you anymore. Just can you dig your faqs about: 1) How can I close/cancel my forum account 2) In case I need support, where do I cancel/revoke my spamcop.net hosted mail. Being on net since '94 and BBS'es/HitNet/Fido before I am not getting into some reply duel with some 3rd individual. The spamcop should be clear about: 1)Lack of SMTP 2)Who owns imap.spamcop.net and forums on http://mailsc.spamcop.net/ces/individuals.shtml Lack of SMTP was mentioned by me at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3806&hl= I really had no clue, still I see there is no clue about it still. http://mailsc.spamcop.net/ces/account_new.shtml Yea, forums are really effective I see :) Have a nice day Ilgaz -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 23:35:11 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ilgaz_=C3=96cal?=) Date: Thu Jan 26 16:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Usenet support groups for mail References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:38:37 +0200, WazoO wrote: > "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message > news:drahjl$obq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Hi, >> >> As I heard it is a policy and some of us hates web forums, here is a >> search for "mail" on usenet groups. >> >> > http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=0,16823695&q=mail+comp&prev=mail+comp >> >> Interesting ones are: >> news:comp.mail.imap >> news:comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows >> news:comp.mail.eudora.mac >> news://msnews.microsoft.com (a local NNTP server used for all ms >> products, like this one) >> news://news.mozilla.org (again a local NNTP server used for all Mozilla >> products) > > And none of those have much to do with the care and use > of a SpamCop filtered e-mail account ..???? > > As there are many fellows using Spamcop.net e mail system on usenet, if they are helpful, they will help. There are some people who likes to explain things step by step to a HUMAN BEING who is anxious that they can't get their mail step by step, numereous times without giving them some "I am cool, you are stupid" style FAQ URLs. Better than some "admin" guy replying to every post pointing to some FAQ. Oh BTW close/disable my forum account. I won't use it. If there is an option or a faq mentioning it 3-4 levels deep, sorry I missed it. I am stupid. Ilgaz -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Thu Jan 26 23:40:04 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (=?utf-8?Q?Ilgaz_=C3=96cal?=) Date: Thu Jan 26 16:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:56:49 +0200, Frog Prince wrote: > > "Ilgaz Ocal" > > | > One thread starts at > | > > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2004-January/071447.html > | > > | >> I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a > way > | >> to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. > | > > | > Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these > | > newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are > | > all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has > | > the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. > | > | > | No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a > | support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. > | > | Ask the person who is taking care of donations, you will figure I > | really support Spamcop only. > | > | Or this is OS X really and if I pay 50% more to my ISP which I can > | really afford, I can run my own mail server on fixed IP. > | > | I tell JT should consider adding a SMTP server which has strict > | policies like "TLS only, port 583 secure login only" for "his" service. > | > | If spamcop does not get anything in return of the spamcop "hosted" > | individual mail, it should be openly said in the first page mentioning > | the service as well as it should warn that user has to find/use their > | own SMTP server. > | > | Ilgaz > > Ilgaz, > > I'm over 60 suffered a serious heart attack a good while back. At that > point I elected not to stress over those things I could not control. > That > plan worked so well I elected not to stress over those things I can > control. > > JT could just have eazily 86ed the news groups. I don't care for the > forum > but don't stress over it much less make an issue of the matter. > > I'm happy that we still have the news groups. So take a nod from me, > relax, > go with the flow and enjoy life. > > OK, I admit trying to change things was a bit stupid and unneeded stress. Just I hope imap.spamcop.net is not "auto renewed" and I be sure to backup my folders every day locally. Listening to you and stopping Ilgaz -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From smcgarrett at hawaii.com Thu Jan 26 22:43:32 2006 From: smcgarrett at hawaii.com (Steve McGarrett) Date: Thu Jan 26 23:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > On 2006-01-26 17:17:36 +0200, "WazoO" said: >> >> Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these >> newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are >> all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has >> the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. > > No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a support > to service (like donation) but I get something at return. This little exchange points to another of the business problems at SpamCop: A complete lack of understanding of what marketing folks call "branding." SpamCop could be a B-school case study on the negative consequences of "polluting the brand." Aloha, McGarrett "LART 'em, Danno!" From jeffg at spamcop.net Fri Jan 27 09:30:15 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Fri Jan 27 09:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: Thanks for trimming and contextualizing your quotes, I appreciate it. Ilgaz ?cal wrote: > Just can you dig your faqs about: > 1) How can I close/cancel my forum account > 2) In case I need support, where do I cancel/revoke my spamcop.net > hosted mail. I am sorry that you'd like to stop using SpamCop. If there was anything specific that SpamCop did to influence your decision, I'd like to hear about that in order to improve service. You can stop the SpamCop Mail System from getting mail from your POP account by logging into webmail and selecting "Options / Mail Management / SpamCop Options / SpamCop Tools / Configure external POP servers" (or browsing to https://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/popconfig.php or http://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/popconfig.php ), removing all the data, and clicking the "Modify" Button. This should make sure that you can safely pick up with your POP account where the SpamCop Mail System left off, on your schedule. You can check when your account expires by logging into webmail and selecting "Options / Mail Management / SpamCop Options / SpamCop Tools / Select your email forwarding, change your password or mail reports" (or browsing to https://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/preferences.php or http://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/preferences.php ) and looking at the "Expires" field in the top left corner. Please forward your spamcop.net email address to service at spamcop.net, along with details about your original charge (a copy of your receipt email will do nicely) and details of where to send your refund for the time remaining until your account's expiration (you did read about the refund on http://mail.spamcop.net/pricing.php , didn't you?). -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From jeffg at spamcop.net Fri Jan 27 09:30:39 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Fri Jan 27 09:35:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > On 2006-01-26 17:17:36 +0200, "WazoO" > said: >> "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message >> news:dragsb$o9p$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> I really like the Spamcop idea from early beginnings of it and as a >>> way to show my support, I paid for yearly mail service. >> Technically, you have been paying JT for his resources ... these >> newsgroups, the Forum, and the SpamCop E-mail accounts are >> all run on his hardware. The use of a SpamCop account also has >> the side benefit of a 'free' reporting account. > No, I am paying for a service advertised at www.spamcop.net as a > support to service (like donation) but I get something at return. No, you are paying for your SpamCop Email System Account, which includes a large quantity of SpamCop Reports through the SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service per day. Period. Full Stop. There is no "donation" component. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From jeffg at spamcop.net Fri Jan 27 09:34:22 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Fri Jan 27 09:35:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp server, > web, whatever. Who is this "we"? -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Fri Jan 27 10:27:36 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Fri Jan 27 11:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: In article , "Jeff G." writes: > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >> Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp server, >> web, whatever. > > Who is this "we"? At least those who have killfiled your posts. From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Fri Jan 27 20:14:13 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Fri Jan 27 13:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-27 16:34:22 +0200, "Jeff G." said: > Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >> Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp server, >> web, whatever. > > Who is this "we"? I am out of this entire thread and the issue. replace "we" with "I" if you will feel comfortable. Have a nice day Ilgaz ?cal From jeffg at spamcop.net Sat Jan 28 07:06:08 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Sat Jan 28 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Why is EVERYTHING taken as spam? References: Message-ID: Larry Kilgallen wrote: > In article , "Jeff G." > writes: >> Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >>> Wazoo, the thing is we don't like how you act on forums, nntp >>> server, web, whatever. >> Who is this "we"? > At least those who have killfiled your posts. Who might that be? Or do you mean those who have killfiled Wazoo's posts? -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Sat Jan 28 17:05:53 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Sat Jan 28 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-27 16:30:15 +0200, "Jeff G." said: > Thanks for trimming and contextualizing your quotes, I appreciate it. > > Ilgaz ?cal wrote: >> Just can you dig your faqs about: >> 1) How can I close/cancel my forum account >> 2) In case I need support, where do I cancel/revoke my spamcop.net >> hosted mail. > > I am sorry that you'd like to stop using SpamCop. If there was anything > specific that SpamCop did to influence your decision, I'd like to hear > about that in order to improve service. > > You can stop the SpamCop Mail System from getting mail from your POP > account by logging into webmail and selecting "Options / Mail Management > / > SpamCop Options / SpamCop Tools / Configure external POP servers" (or > browsing to https://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/popconfig.php > or > http://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/popconfig.php ), removing > all > the data, and clicking the "Modify" Button. This should make sure that > you > can safely pick up with your POP account where the SpamCop Mail System > left > off, on your schedule. > > You can check when your account expires by logging into webmail and > selecting "Options / Mail Management / SpamCop Options / SpamCop Tools / > Select your email forwarding, change your password or mail reports" (or > browsing to > https://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/preferences.php or > http://webmail.spamcop.net/horde/imp/spamcop/preferences.php ) and > looking > at the "Expires" field in the top left corner. > > Please forward your spamcop.net email address to service at spamcop.net, > along with details about your original charge (a copy of your receipt > email > will do nicely) and details of where to send your refund for the time > remaining until your account's expiration (you did read about the refund > on > http://mail.spamcop.net/pricing.php , didn't you?). I was not sure about cancelling my IMAP account at Spamcop but this particular template post and spell checking my posts which have nothing to do with this issue made me kind of sure. I am at least sure I have questions of the service/companies seriousness when it allows 2 "non paid" moderators to mess with their paid customers. Also I am sure amazed by Ironport and Spamcop let their brands used this way. Ilgaz From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 28 20:40:52 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 28 21:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Who is JT and why this NG won't be used? References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Ocal" wrote in message news:drg18g$7tl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I am at least sure I have questions of the service/companies > seriousness when it allows 2 "non paid" moderators to mess with their > paid customers. Also I am sure amazed by Ironport and Spamcop let their > brands used this way. I fail to grasp the "messing with paid customers" thing ... you are posting into an open-to-the-public newsgroup and seeing replies posted by other SpamCop.net users. The Forum is set up the same way, user- to-user help provided. The FAQ you're describing is something built by a number of other SpamCop.net users to get around the complaints and issues of the original / Official FAQ. A FAQ list is something created so that folks don't need to re-type all the answers to repeatedly asked question. If you have an issue with one of the FAQ entries seen in the Forum, take the time to post about it, get it fixed. Getting the Official FAQ straightened out has been a losing battle for me, but you're welcome to try yourself. Interestingly enough, you say you have yet more questions, I believe you once said you sent an e-mail to someone ... I can tell you that both Don and JT have been advised of these last threads in this newsgroup in my e-mails to them, pointing out your confusion issues, mis-perceptions of the parts of the SpamCop.net toolset, and your complaint yet again brought up about the lack of SMTP .. and you'll have to note, no response here from the "Official" staff. As far as your Forum Account, I'll ask that you offer up a bit of a clue as to which account I'm supposed to be looking for. I'll also note that the last three individuals that asked for their accounts to be closed there for some strange reason later opened up new ones. As far as being "three layers deep" .... try looking at the very top of "every" Forum page and note the "Forum FAQ" link ... actually existing twice, one to open a new browser instance, the other to simply open a new web page .... hardly "buried" at all ..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 28 21:39:12 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 28 22:40:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] E-mail system down Message-ID: As posted at http://mail.spamcop.net/news.php; Jan 28, 2006 [21:42 EST] We are performing emergency disk maintenance on one of our main fileservers. During this period, many users will not be able to login. No mail will be lost during this time. It will probably be several hours from now before things are back to normal. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 28 21:58:08 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Jan 28 23:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Usenet support groups for mail References: Message-ID: "Ilgaz Öcal" wrote in message news:op.s3z8wxv7kxspb4@cable25-100.avrupa.kablonet.com.tr... On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:38:37 +0200, WazoO wrote: > > > > And none of those have much to do with the care and use > > of a SpamCop filtered e-mail account ..???? > As there are many fellows using Spamcop.net e mail system on usenet, if > they are helpful, they will help. There are some people who likes to > explain things step by step to a HUMAN BEING who is anxious that they > can't get their mail step by step, numereous times without giving them > some "I am cool, you are stupid" style FAQ URLs. > > Better than some "admin" guy replying to every post pointing to some FAQ. > > Oh BTW close/disable my forum account. I won't use it. If there is an > option or a faq mentioning it 3-4 levels deep, sorry I missed it. I am > stupid. Your choice of words ... I use forgetful ..... take a look at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3890 March/April of last year .... why is this such a big issue "today" ??? From newspost at deletethispart.hypercreations.com Sun Jan 29 07:06:07 2006 From: newspost at deletethispart.hypercreations.com (D. T.) Date: Sun Jan 29 02:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in news:drhdd0$ukg$1@news.spamcop.net: > [21:42 EST] We are performing emergency disk maintenance on one of our > main fileservers. During this period, many users will not be able to > login. > It will probably be > several hours from now before things are back to normal. It's still down, and it's after 2:00 am EST, so I'd say that more than "several" hours have passed. Unfortunately, this is the first time I've been able to get to my computer all day, so they're holding my may hostage and I'm not very thrilled, in that this is about the third or fourth such unplanned "emergency maintenance" that's occurred recently. It's one thing to plan ahead and announce a maintenance window, but that's never happened in my experience. GRRRRRRR! DT From andyl at spamcop.net Sun Jan 29 17:24:58 2006 From: andyl at spamcop.net (Andy Lawson) Date: Sun Jan 29 02:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any further news? Possibly an ETA? WazoO wrote: > As posted at http://mail.spamcop.net/news.php; > Jan 28, 2006 > [21:42 EST] We are performing emergency disk maintenance on one of our main > fileservers. During this period, many users will not be able to login. No > mail will be lost during this time. It will probably be several hours from > now before things are back to normal. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Jan 29 11:35:24 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Jan 29 05:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down References: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:39:12 -0600, WazoO coughed into spamcop.mail and left this in : > As posted at http://mail.spamcop.net/news.php; > Jan 28, 2006 > [21:42 EST] = Jan 29, 02:42 GMT. > We are performing emergency disk maintenance on one of our main > fileservers. During this period, many users will not be able to login. > No mail will be lost during this time. It will probably be several > hours from now before things are back to normal. That probably explains why I had next to no e-mail this morning :) Still appears down at 10:34 GMT. -- Steve Your fault: core dumped From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Jan 29 13:00:26 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Jan 29 07:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down References: Message-ID: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:35:24 +0100, Steven Maesslein coughed into spamcop.mail and left this in : > Still appears down at 10:34 GMT. Back up at 12:00 GMT apparently :) -- Steve If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. From andyl at spamcop.net Sun Jan 29 22:35:00 2006 From: andyl at spamcop.net (Andy Lawson) Date: Sun Jan 29 07:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > Back up at 12:00 GMT apparently :) Hmmmm - I just got a test email from 07:20GMT. Not great, but I guess there's a backlog to clear. Any official updates greatly appreciated! :) Cheers. From jeffg at spamcop.net Sun Jan 29 14:17:29 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Sun Jan 29 14:20:26 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: E-mail system down References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > As posted at http://mail.spamcop.net/news.php; > Jan 28, 2006 > [21:42 EST] We are performing emergency disk maintenance on one of > our main fileservers. During this period, many users will not be able > to login. No mail will be lost during this time. It will probably be > several hours from now before things are back to normal. New news has now been posted: a.. [13:01 EST] As of 6:00 a.m. EST, the system was back up and running. Everyone should be able to login now. All backlogged mail has been delivered. We apologize about the outage. At this point, the main fileservers have been rebuilt, so we don't anticipate any further problems. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jan 31 10:09:37 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jan 31 13:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: "X-SpamCop-Checked" References: Message-ID: Posted to spamcop & .mail; f/ups to .mail St - Musaic.Net wrote: > In some messages (actually, quite many...), the header > "X-SpamCop-Checked" is showing no IPs. Why is that? Altho' this isn't the ideal ng for questions about spamcop mail accounts, which would be spamcop.mail or the forum, I would hazard a guess that if we are talking about a blocked item, that it got blocked by a user filter such as a blacklist which preceded the dnsbl and SA filter system. If we are talking about a passed item, that it got passed by a user whitelist which preceded the dnsbl and SA filtersystem. You have made no mention of the other X-SpamCop lines in the header, such as X-Spam-Checker-Version: X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: X-SpamCop-Whitelisted: X-SpamCop-Disposition: Describing something about mail headers including questions about additional Xlines rather than posting a specific example is never the best way to get the best answer; whether we are talking about Received tracelines or SpamCop Xlines. You could post a tracker to a real item, which would show us an example of a spamitem which actually has an empty X-SpamCop-Checked line. I'll post this to spamcop and spamcop.mail. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin