From gurganbl at rose-hulman.edu  Thu Feb  3 20:36:36 2005
From: gurganbl at rose-hulman.edu (Brant Gurganus)
Date: Thu Feb  3 20:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] parser won't finish parsing message
Message-ID: <ctujj4$3d4$1@news.spamcop.net>

The Spamcop parser will not finish parsing this message: 
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z728147599z18770ad6b430aac7db2dbfd6456163f0z

-- 
Brant Gurganus
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~gurganbl
From nobody at spamcop.net  Thu Feb  3 21:21:50 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen)
Date: Thu Feb  3 21:25:26 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: parser won't finish parsing message
References: <ctujj4$3d4$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <ctuma3$57s$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Brant Gurganus" <gurganbl@rose-hulman.edu> wrote in message
news:ctujj4$3d4$1@news.spamcop.net...
> The Spamcop parser will not finish parsing this message:
> http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z728147599z18770ad6b430aac7db2dbfd6456163f0z
>

Looks like spam thru the bugzilla webform .. I dropped them a note. The
number of links exceeded the parser's patience :-)

Ellen


From invalid at non.com  Sun Feb  6 11:25:28 2005
From: invalid at non.com (Noisy Lurker)
Date: Sun Feb  6 12:30:25 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] False Positives from Yahoo Groups.
Message-ID: <cu5ju8$7kd$1@news.spamcop.net>

Thanks in advance!!

I am subscribed to a couple of Yahoo groups and getting an annoying 
number of what I think are false positives. Here is but one example 
(some information replaced by x's):

Return-Path: 
<sentto-12814443-282-1107493022-xxx.xxxx=worldnet.att.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com>
Delivered-To: spamcop-net-xxxxxxxxxspamcop.net
Received: (qmail 3638 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
Received: from unknown (192.168.1.101)
   by blade2.cesmail.net with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
Received: from mtiwmxc14.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.124)
   by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
Received: from n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.36])
           by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc14) with SMTP
           id <2005020404570201400nqej7e>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:57:02 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [66.94.237.36]
Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 
2005 04:57:02 -0000
Received: from [66.218.66.97] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 
04 Feb 2005 04:57:02 -0000
X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email
X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
X-Apparently-To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
Received: (qmail 69558 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 04:57:01 -0000
Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166)
   by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:01 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.240.34)
   by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:00 -0000
Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [70.185.82.54])
           by lakermmtao05.cox.net
           (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP
           id 
<20050204045659.DSDJ17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]>
           for <STXARES@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:56:59 -0500
Message-ID: <420300DA.7070801@cox.net>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) 
Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
References: <59F34E4D.47B4EEB3.00858F7C@aol.com> 
<4202E71C.5070205@houston.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <4202E71C.5070205@houston.rr.com>
X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.34
From: "Alan R. Hayes" <xxxxxxx>
X-Yahoo-Profile: xxxxx
MIME-Version: 1.0
Mailing-List: list STXARES@yahoogroups.com; contact 
STXARES-owner@yahoogroups.com
Delivered-To: mailing list STXARES@yahoogroups.com
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:STXARES-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:58:02 -0600
Subject: Re: [STXARES] Re: Employees using ham license
Reply-To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  boundary="------------000607020706040205010401"
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on 
blade2.cesmail.net
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: hits=0.1 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY
	version=3.0.0
X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 204.127.131.124
X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net


--------------000607020706040205010401
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From jeffg at spamcop.net  Sun Feb  6 12:50:46 2005
From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.)
Date: Sun Feb  6 12:55:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: False Positives from Yahoo Groups.
References: <cu5ju8$7kd$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cu5ldp$8b6$1@news.spamcop.net>

Noisy Lurker <invalid@non.com> organized electrons in article
news:cu5ju8$7kd$1@news.spamcop.net that appeared as follows:
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> I am subscribed to a couple of Yahoo groups and getting an annoying
> number of what I think are false positives. Here is but one example
> (some information replaced by x's):
>
> Return-Path:
>
<sentto-12814443-282-1107493022-xxx.xxxx=worldnet.att.net@returns.groups
.yahoo.com>
> Delivered-To: spamcop-net-xxxxxxxxxspamcop.net
> Received: (qmail 3638 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
> Received: from unknown (192.168.1.101)
>    by blade2.cesmail.net with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
> Received: from mtiwmxc14.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.124)
>    by mailgate.cesmail.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:03 -0000
> Received: from n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.36])
>            by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmxc14) with SMTP
>            id <2005020404570201400nqej7e>; Fri, 4 Feb 2005 04:57:02
> +0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.94.237.36]
> Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04
> Feb 2005 04:57:02 -0000
> Received: from [66.218.66.97] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with
> NNFMP; 04 Feb 2005 04:57:02 -0000
> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email
> X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> X-Apparently-To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
> Received: (qmail 69558 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2005 04:57:01
> -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166)
>    by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:01 -0000
> Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao05.cox.net) (68.230.240.34)
>    by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2005 04:57:00 -0000
> Received: from [192.168.1.100] (really [70.185.82.54])
>            by lakermmtao05.cox.net
>            (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP
>            id
> <20050204045659.DSDJ17924.lakermmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.1.100]>
>            for <STXARES@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:56:59
> -0500 Message-ID: <420300DA.7070801@cox.net>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2)
> Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
> X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
> To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
> References: <59F34E4D.47B4EEB3.00858F7C@aol.com>
> <4202E71C.5070205@houston.rr.com>
> In-Reply-To: <4202E71C.5070205@houston.rr.com>
> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.34
> From: "Alan R. Hayes" <xxxxxxx>
> X-Yahoo-Profile: xxxxx
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Mailing-List: list STXARES@yahoogroups.com; contact
> STXARES-owner@yahoogroups.com
> Delivered-To: mailing list STXARES@yahoogroups.com
> Precedence: bulk
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:STXARES-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:58:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [STXARES] Re: Employees using ham license
> Reply-To: STXARES@yahoogroups.com
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>   boundary="------------000607020706040205010401"
> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on
> blade2.cesmail.net
> X-Spam-Level:
> X-Spam-Status: hits=0.1 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY
> version=3.0.0
> X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 204.127.131.124
> X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net
>
>
> --------------000607020706040205010401
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Have you tried whitelisting
"xxx.xxxx=worldnet.att.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com" without quotes but
with your address replacing "xxx.xxxx"?

-- 
Thanks and Best Regards,  Jeff G.
I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a
Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for
getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net).  Please reply via Forum, Group,
or List only.

From nobody at spamcop.net  Sun Feb  6 23:15:33 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW)
Date: Mon Feb  7 00:20:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: False Positives from Yahoo Groups.
References: <cu5ju8$7kd$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cu6thg$sd7$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Noisy Lurker" <invalid@non.com> wrote in message 
news:cu5ju8$7kd$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> I am subscribed to a couple of Yahoo groups and getting an annoying number 
> of what I think are false positives. Here is but one example (some 
> information replaced by x's):

> X-SpamCop-Checked: 192.168.1.101 204.127.131.124
> X-SpamCop-Disposition: Blocked bl.spamcop.net

This wasn't blocked because the Yahoo.groups server was listed, the block 
occurred because  204.127.131.124 was listed.   204.127.131.124 is your 
receiving server.  The CESmail server checking stops when it hits an IP that 
is listed in one of the bl's you have set your account to use.

The listing of  204.127.131.124 was caused by you reporting your own mail 
server as the source of the spam you were reporting.  SC picked the IP up as 
the source because of a dns/rdns mismatch on the AT&T server.  You did not 
catch this and reported your server as the spam source 25 times over a few 
days.

We did catch this on Friday and put the AT&T server in our trusted relay 
table, so spam you have reported since then has been getting to the right 
source.

Richard 


From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 08:20:12 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 11:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by spam
	assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>

i'm subscribed to the disinformation mailing list. have been for several
years now. it has only recently started being a problem... i'd say maybe a
month or so ago. someone, and i think it's spamcop, is letting the mailing
list through (probably because i have whitelisted it on webmail), but it's
getting flagged as spam by spam assassin, and when it arrives on my
machine, instead of getting routed to the disinformation mailbox, it gets
routed to the spam mailbox. i'm sure that it's not my mailserver that is
flagging it as spam, because on my mailserver i have a procmail rule that
makes an end run around spam assassin when it encounters a sender address
at disinfo dot com. the only other place that i know of that's filtering
my mail through spam assassin is spamcop.

here's a tracking URL if that will help:
http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z730077084zf01b5c5b0e8415125bb1bcee1184e3a7z

i'm at a loss here... hopefully someone can help me out.

thanks
GSDL
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Feb  9 09:17:47 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Feb  9 12:20:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net>

I was misunderstanding the problem when we were talking before.  I tho't
spamcop was tagging as spam and putting into held mail in spite of being
whitelisted....

Rev. Guido
> spamcop,
> is letting the mailing list through (probably because i have
> whitelisted it on webmail),

.... you are saying that SC isn't putting in held mail, but, in spite of
being whitelisted, it is still being 'examined' by SA

> but it's getting flagged as spam by spam
> assassin,

That examination by SA is making a SA score, in the tracker you
provided, the score would be a SA spam score

> and when it arrives on my machine, instead of getting
> routed to the disinformation mailbox, it gets routed to the spam
> mailbox.

Something in your system is reading the SA result that SC assigned and
flagging as spam

> i'm sure that it's not my mailserver that is flagging it as
> spam, because on my mailserver i have a procmail rule that makes an
> end run around spam assassin when it encounters a sender address at
> disinfo dot com.

Your system 'avoids' the SA scoring when something is whitelisted;  but
in this case SC has already provided a SA scoresheet even tho it was
whitelisted, which results in your system flagging as spam, even tho' SC
didn't [because of the whitelist]

> the only other place that i know of that's filtering
> my mail through spam assassin is spamcop.
>
> here's a tracking URL if that will help:
www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z730077084zf01b5c5b0e8415125bb1bcee1184e3a7z

That tracker shows that SC passed the item

X-SpamCop-Whitelisted: alex@disinfo.com

but then proceeded to rate it with SA 'anyway'

X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5

When your system gets/sees an item with a positive SA score, it is
calling it spam.

I don't have the 'answer' to your problem, but at least I understand it
correctly now, whereas I didn't before.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 10:28:29 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 13:45:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.09.18.28.29.78305@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:17:47 -0800, Mike Easter, an eminent manifestation
of Tina Chopp, wrote:
>> here's a tracking URL if that will help:
>> www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z730077084zf01b5c5b0e8415125bb1bcee1184e3a7z
> 
> That tracker shows that SC passed the item
> 
> X-SpamCop-Whitelisted: alex@disinfo.com
> 
> but then proceeded to rate it with SA 'anyway'
> 
> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5
> 
> When your system gets/sees an item with a positive SA score, it is calling
> it spam.
> 
> I don't have the 'answer' to your problem, but at least I understand it
> correctly now, whereas I didn't before.

that's what i was trying to say all along... if i didn't, it's probably
because i have a brain injury, and frequently have difficulty saying what
i want to say, instead of spouting gibberish.
From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 10:34:23 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 13:50:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:17:47 -0800, Mike Easter, an eminent manifestation
of Tina Chopp, wrote:

>> here's a tracking URL if that will help:
>> www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z730077084zf01b5c5b0e8415125bb1bcee1184e3a7z
> 
> That tracker shows that SC passed the item
> 
> X-SpamCop-Whitelisted: alex@disinfo.com
> 
> but then proceeded to rate it with SA 'anyway'
> 
> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5
> 
> When your system gets/sees an item with a positive SA score, it is calling
> it spam.
> 
> I don't have the 'answer' to your problem, but at least I understand it
> correctly now, whereas I didn't before.

yes, you're exactly right... and _my_ machine has a procmail rule that
accepts any sender at disinfo.com without even looking at spam assassin,
so the fact that it's getting flagged by SA _at_ SC is the problem...

which brings me back to the question i had initially, which is, is there
any way to set up a procmail rule _at_ SC, that would fix this... my guess
is no, because i'd have to have a shell account at spamcop.net, but it
never hurts to ask...

regards
GSDL
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Feb  9 11:52:35 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Feb  9 14:55:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.28.29.78305@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cudpkk$sln$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rev. Guido
> that's what i was trying to say all along... if i didn't, it's

You said it all along, I just wasn't paying proper attention at the
right places.

> probably because i have a brain injury, and frequently have
> difficulty saying what i want to say, instead of spouting gibberish.

I've been to your website/s.  I like the way you told/depicted the story
of the summer of '03

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Feb  9 15:05:10 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Feb  9 18:05:24 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rev. Guido
> Mike Easter

>> That tracker shows that SC passed the item
>>
>> X-SpamCop-Whitelisted: alex@disinfo.com
>>
>> but then proceeded to rate it with SA 'anyway'
>>
>> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5

I think that is a bad configuration of the SC mail.  SA must use some
resources to do all that it does.  Using SA on mail 'for no [good]
purpose' which has been whitelisted is a waste of resources.  You might
think that it is possibly useful for something to be both whitelisted
and scored, but I think the normal configuration should be for
whitelisting to take place /first/ - before any other screening
tools/rules, and if it is whitelisted nothing else happens.


>> When your system gets/sees an item with a positive SA score, it is
>> calling it spam.
>>
>> I don't have the 'answer' to your problem, but at least I understand
>> it correctly now, whereas I didn't before.
>
> yes, you're exactly right... and _my_ machine has a procmail rule that
> accepts any sender at disinfo.com without even looking at spam
> assassin, so the fact that it's getting flagged by SA _at_ SC is the
> problem...

But, what is your machine doing even looking at the SA result if it has
been whitelisted?  Just like I think SC shouldn't be SA scoring the item
because it was SC whitelisted, I also think that your system shouldn't
be reading 'somebody else's' SA scoring if it is whitelisted on your
end.

> which brings me back to the question i had initially, which is, is
> there any way to set up a procmail rule _at_ SC, that would fix
> this... my guess is no, because i'd have to have a shell account at
> spamcop.net, but it never hurts to ask...

I think that if people, ie mail clients, were attentioning that it
doesn't make any sense to be doing any more tests on mail after it is
recognized as whitelisted, that someone might answer that.  But not
likely in/from this ng.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 15:22:34 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 18:40:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.09.23.22.33.582874@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:05:10 -0800, Mike Easter, an eminent manifestation
of Tina Chopp, wrote:

> But, what is your machine doing even looking at the SA result if it has
> been whitelisted?  Just like I think SC shouldn't be SA scoring the item
> because it was SC whitelisted, I also think that your system shouldn't be
> reading 'somebody else's' SA scoring if it is whitelisted on your end.

my my local machine is plonking it because of the *****SPAM***** flag in
the header... procmail doesn't touch it once it gets to my machine, but my
email client says to take anything with a *****SPAM***** header and put it
in the spam box.

it wasn't a problem before...

From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Feb  9 15:58:23 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Feb  9 19:00:33 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.23.22.33.582874@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cue81g$82a$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rev. Guido
> Mike Easter

>> But, what is your machine doing even looking at the SA result if it
>> has been whitelisted?  Just like I think SC shouldn't be SA scoring
>> the item because it was SC whitelisted, I also think that your
>> system shouldn't be reading 'somebody else's' SA scoring if it is
>> whitelisted on your end.
>
> my my local machine is plonking it because of the *****SPAM***** flag
> in the header... procmail doesn't touch it once it gets to my
> machine, but my email client says to take anything with a
> *****SPAM***** header and put it in the spam box.
>
> it wasn't a problem before...

So, the current explanation is that SC mail receives the item for you,
finds it whitelisted, then proceeds to analyze it with SA, score it
for/as spam, add the SPAM banner to the subject and put the Xline
X-Spam-Flag: YES, further examine the Received headerlines for IPs for
some unknown reason, and then put it into your SC mailbox.

Whereupon your procmail fetches it and passes it to your mua and the mua
sees the SPAM subject and Junk folders it.

It would seem that the 'rule' when it arrives at SC would be to see if
it is whitelisted and then stop processing anymore rules. Even in my
simple little Outlook Express I can make message rules which are
followed by 'stop processing any more rules'.  It doesn't seem
appropriate to be SA scoring and stamping headerlines and subject lines
as spam and surveying the Received lines for ?something? when the item
has already been whitelisted.  Something is very strange about that.

It's too bad this discussion or at least your presentation of the
problem isn't taking place in the forum.  I never go over there.  You
must have the same aversion or something.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 16:54:15 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 20:10:14 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.23.22.33.582874@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue81g$82a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.10.00.54.14.966002@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 15:58:23 -0800, Mike Easter, an eminent manifestation
of Tina Chopp, wrote:

> So, the current explanation is that SC mail receives the item for you,
> finds it whitelisted, then proceeds to analyze it with SA, score it for/as
> spam, add the SPAM banner to the subject and put the Xline X-Spam-Flag:
> YES, further examine the Received headerlines for IPs for some unknown
> reason, and then put it into your SC mailbox.
> 
> Whereupon your procmail fetches it and passes it to your mua and the mua
> sees the SPAM subject and Junk folders it.

yes, that's the way i see it as well

> It's too bad this discussion or at least your presentation of the
> problem isn't taking place in the forum.  I never go over there.  You
> must have the same aversion or something.

forum? i thought usenet newsgroups *were* the forum... perhaps i'm missing
something...
From averyc at spamcop.net  Wed Feb  9 19:26:12 2005
From: averyc at spamcop.net (Chris Avery)
Date: Wed Feb  9 20:30:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] [OT] Ping Mike Easter
In-Reply-To: <cudpkk$sln$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.28.29.78305@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudpkk$sln$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cued82$bfn$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> Rev. Guido
> 
>>that's what i was trying to say all along... if i didn't, it's
> 
> 
> You said it all along, I just wasn't paying proper attention at the
> right places.
> 
> 
>>probably because i have a brain injury, and frequently have
>>difficulty saying what i want to say, instead of spouting gibberish.
> 
> 
> I've been to your website/s.  I like the way you told/depicted the story
> of the summer of '03
> 

I'm curious.  What is the URL for that story.  Thanks.
From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 17:17:05 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 20:35:35 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: [OT] Ping Mike Easter
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.28.29.78305@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudpkk$sln$1@news.spamcop.net> <cued82$bfn$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.10.01.17.05.83600@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:26:12 -0600, Chris Avery, an eminent manifestation
of Tina Chopp, wrote:

>> Mike Easter wrote:
>> I've been to your website/s.  I like the way you told/depicted the
>> story
>> of the summer of '03
>> 
>> 
> I'm curious.  What is the URL for that story.  Thanks.

http://www.drizzle.com/~slmndr/salamandir/brain/index.html
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Wed Feb  9 20:26:33 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO)
Date: Wed Feb  9 21:30:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cuegoo$e85$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU" <bite_me@its.fun>
wrote in message news:pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org...
>
> here's a tracking URL if that will help:
> http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z730077084zf01b5c5b0e8415125bb1bcee1184e3a7z
>
> i'm at a loss here... hopefully someone can help me out.

I wasn't paying much attention here as I saw Mike E. was
handling it.  However, watching this thing move from
newsgroup to newsgroup and now seeing it yet again
showing as a new item over in the Forum .... here's
the critical item ... the SpamAssassin score (and
presumably the header Tag addition) isn't done
by a SpamCop server ... Please note the details in
the lines provided here from your sample;

X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on orbiter
X-Spam-Level: *******
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5 required=5.0
tests=DRUGS_DEPRESSION,HTML_30_40,
 HTML_MESSAGE,J_CHICKENPOX_16,PORN_DISGUISED autolearn=disabled
 version=3.0.1

Who is "orbiter"  ?????


From bite_me at its.fun  Wed Feb  9 18:59:34 2005
From: bite_me at its.fun (Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU)
Date: Wed Feb  9 22:15:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cuegoo$e85$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.02.10.02.59.34.238@ebeneezer.org>

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:26:33 -0600, WazoO, an eminent manifestation of
Tina Chopp, wrote:

> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on orbiter
> X-Spam-Level: *******
> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=7.5 required=5.0
> tests=DRUGS_DEPRESSION,HTML_30_40,
>  HTML_MESSAGE,J_CHICKENPOX_16,PORN_DISGUISED autolearn=disabled
>  version=3.0.1
> 
> Who is "orbiter"  ?????

not any machine that i am familiar with...  8/
From anne.judge at alum.mit.edu  Wed Feb  9 23:39:06 2005
From: anne.judge at alum.mit.edu (Anne Judge)
Date: Wed Feb  9 23:39:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail]  Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting
	flagged as spam by spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
In-Reply-To: <cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d9d6a733c8f9843b3294a8a666d9c70d@alum.mit.edu>


On Feb 9, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

> Just like I think SC shouldn't be SA scoring the item
> because it was SC whitelisted,

But I know that SC *does* run SA on whitelisted mail, because
(1) my whitelisted mail always has a SA score, and the only place it 
has always been is SC, and
(2) back in the good old days before the web forum, JT said on this 
list that SC ran SA on all mail, even whitelisted, and would do so as 
long as resources weren't an issue - which they shouldn't be because of 
the amount of reserve capacity he kept.  (That's from memory but I 
generally have a good memory for trivia I've read.  It's only the 
important things that slip out.)

Anne
  

From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Feb  9 23:11:22 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Thu Feb 10 02:15:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cudgid$lqu$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.18.34.22.573875@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue4tn$5nc$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.09.23.22.33.582874@ebeneezer.org>
	<cue81g$82a$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.10.00.54.14.966002@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cuf1d9$pqh$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rev. Guido
> Mike Easter

>> It's too bad this discussion or at least your presentation of the
>> problem isn't taking place in the forum.  I never go over there.  You
>> must have the same aversion or something.
>
> forum? i thought usenet newsgroups *were* the forum... perhaps i'm
> missing something...


news://news.spamcop.net/cudbch$hvs$1@news.spamcop.net

Mike Easter wrote:
> Rev. Guido
>> well, rather as i suspected, it's still flagged.
>>
>> what now?
>
> The other place to rap about stuff that has to do with spamcop mail is
> in the forum^1.  JT is in charge of mail [and the newsgroup and forum
> servers] and he has abandoned interacting in the newsgroups.  He also
> doesn't drop in to the forums very often, but there is more mail
> support in the forum than 'here' - the newsgroup spamcop.mail - which
> was originally intended to support mail.
>
> I'm not a SC mail user, so I'm outa suggestions here.
>
> ^1 http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=4  SpamCop
> Email System & Accounts



-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Thu Feb 10 15:03:55 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO)
Date: Thu Feb 10 16:05:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cuegoo$e85$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.10.02.59.34.238@ebeneezer.org>
Message-ID: <cugi7r$1gq$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Rev. Guido S. DeLuxe, DD, LDD, OGG, OHS, ST, MI, MSU" <bite_me@its.fun>
wrote in message news:pan.2005.02.10.02.59.34.238@ebeneezer.org...
> >
> > Who is "orbiter"  ?????
>
> not any machine that i am familiar with...  8/

Follow up: "orbiter" is found at drizzle.com, this user's ISP.
This is the system that was stamping the headers, Subject:
Line, etc .... problem was not found to be on or at a
SpamCop server.


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Thu Feb 10 13:26:29 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Thu Feb 10 16:30:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] 
	Re: disinformation newsletter suddenly getting flagged as spam by
	spam assassin. whitelisting it doesn't help.
References: <pan.2005.02.09.16.20.12.793842@ebeneezer.org>
	<cuegoo$e85$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.02.10.02.59.34.238@ebeneezer.org>
	<cugi7r$1gq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cugjgj$2g4$1@news.spamcop.net>

WazoO wrote:
> Follow up: "orbiter" is found at drizzle.com, this user's ISP.
> This is the system that was stamping the headers, Subject:
> Line, etc .... problem was not found to be on or at a
> SpamCop server.

Yes, I've been lurking over there.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin
From nospam at verizon.net  Tue Feb 22 11:55:52 2005
From: nospam at verizon.net (Freewheeling)
Date: Tue Feb 22 12:00:38 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] subfolders
Message-ID: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net>

Hi:

Is it possible to download only emails in a subfolder using the spamcop POP 
server?  I subscribe to an email list and have a filter that routes all of 
those emails to a subfolder, but I need to download those emails to get them 
off of the spamcop server, while (if possible) leaving the emails in the 
inbox.  Can I do this using either Outlook Express or MS Outlook?

-- 
--Scott 


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Tue Feb 22 09:33:10 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Feb 22 12:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvfqf7$dhq$1@news.spamcop.net>

Freewheeling wrote:
> Is it possible to download only emails in a subfolder using the
> spamcop POP server?  I subscribe to an email list and have a filter
> that routes all of those emails to a subfolder, but I need to
> download those emails to get them off of the spamcop server, while
> (if possible) leaving the emails in the inbox.  Can I do this using
> either Outlook Express or MS Outlook?

Disclaimer:  I don't use SC mail so I have no experience or 'view' of
anything about SC mail.

Subfolders are very much a function of IMAP rather than POP, and SC
supports IMAP and so does OE.

You can read about IMAP in OE in Help under IMAP mail servers -
described.

The spamcop faq doesn't give much mail information to non-spamcopmail
users, so I can't see any IMAP information there.

You can also search on IMAP in the forum - which is where there is more
mail support than here   Here's a link that is supposed to be a search
on IMAP in the forum for email prioritized for relevance
http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=Search&CODE=simpleresults&sid=18cdc210a52ae44d37ac8d60dede9f68&highlite=imap
<make oneline>

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Feb 22 13:10:07 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (nobody)
Date: Tue Feb 22 13:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>

> Is it possible to download only emails in a subfolder using the spamcop 
> POP server?  I subscribe to an email list and have a filter that routes 
> all of those emails to a subfolder, but I need to download those emails to 
> get them off of the spamcop server, while (if possible) leaving the emails 
> in the inbox.

POP will only read messages from your Inbox. Use IMAP to access the other 
folders.

> Can I do this using either Outlook Express or MS Outlook?

Sure. Point Outlook or OE to imap.spamcop.net and use your normal login and 
password.


From nospam at verizon.net  Tue Feb 22 16:23:05 2005
From: nospam at verizon.net (Freewheeling)
Date: Tue Feb 22 16:25:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvg7rp$mt8$1@news.spamcop.net>

I'm just guessing here, but it appears that I will not be able to download 
and remove the emails in the subfolders unless I move them to the main 
inbox.  Is that about it?  I know I can read them using IMAP protocol, 
because that's how I set them up.  I just thought there might be some way to 
access the subfolders using POP as well.

Guess not.

-- 
--Scott
"nobody" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> Is it possible to download only emails in a subfolder using the spamcop 
>> POP server?  I subscribe to an email list and have a filter that routes 
>> all of those emails to a subfolder, but I need to download those emails 
>> to get them off of the spamcop server, while (if possible) leaving the 
>> emails in the inbox.
>
> POP will only read messages from your Inbox. Use IMAP to access the other 
> folders.
>
>> Can I do this using either Outlook Express or MS Outlook?
>
> Sure. Point Outlook or OE to imap.spamcop.net and use your normal login 
> and password.
>
> 


From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Feb 22 17:37:48 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (nobody)
Date: Tue Feb 22 17:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cvg7rp$mt8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvgc85$q63$1@news.spamcop.net>

> I'm just guessing here, but it appears that I will not be able to download 
> and remove the emails in the subfolders unless I move them to the main 
> inbox.

You can "download and remove" them by simply dragging and dropping them 
within Outlook Express from one of the subfolders within your IMAP account 
to any of your local folders. (You can do the same thing in Outlook, too, 
but this does not preserve all the headers). Once you have dragged the 
messages over to your local folders, they will be "marked as deleted" in 
your IMAP subfolder. You can then use the "purge delete messages" function 
(called simply "Purge" in OE) to remove them for good from your IMAP 
subfolder.

> I just thought there might be some way to access the subfolders using POP 
> as well.

No, POP is an old protocol that does not understand the whole concept of 
folders and will only get the messages from your inbox.


From jeffg at spamcop.net  Tue Feb 22 19:27:06 2005
From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.)
Date: Tue Feb 22 19:30:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cvg7rp$mt8$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvgc85$q63$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvgiku$u7l$1@news.spamcop.net>

nobody <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> organized electrons in article
news:cvgc85$q63$1@news.spamcop.net that appeared as follows:
>> I'm just guessing here, but it appears that I will not be able to
>> download and remove the emails in the subfolders unless I move them
>> to the main inbox.
>
> You can "download and remove" them by simply dragging and dropping
> them within Outlook Express from one of the subfolders within your
> IMAP account to any of your local folders. (You can do the same thing
> in Outlook, too, but this does not preserve all the headers). Once
> you have dragged the messages over to your local folders, they will
> be "marked as deleted" in your IMAP subfolder. You can then use the
> "purge delete messages" function (called simply "Purge" in OE) to
> remove them for good from your IMAP subfolder.
>
>> I just thought there might be some way to access the subfolders
>> using POP as well.
>
> No, POP is an old protocol that does not understand the whole concept
> of folders and will only get the messages from your inbox.

While the info posted above is correct by default, there is an option
that makes it incorrect.  I posted the following in "FAQ Entry: Webmail:
Deleting and Moving Messages'at
http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3290 on Dec 26 2004
at 02:19 PM EST:

This FAQ Entry concerns the "Deleting and Moving Messages" Options Page
of SpamCop Webmail. It is accessed via Webmail by clicking the "Options"
Link, scrolling down in the center "Mail Management" Column, and
clicking the "Deleting and Moving Messages" Link, described as "Set
preferences for what happens when you move and delete messages." There
are three Checkboxes available on this Page:


Return to the mailbox listing after deleting, moving, or copying a
message?: If you are reading a message and you delete, move, or copy
that message and this Checkbox is checked, you will then see the mailbox
(Folder) listing containing that message, whereas if this Checkbox is
not checked, you will then see the next message in that mailbox
(Folder).


When deleting messages, move them to your Trash folder instead of
marking them as deleted?: This portion is divided into Checked and
Unchecked sections:

Checked: This is the default. Messages which are deleted from a
particular mailbox/Folder go straight to your "Trash" mailbox/Folder.
Any messages already marked/flagged as deleted cannot be: unmarked in
Webmail because the "Undeleted" marking option is not present; purged in
Webmail because the "Purge Deleted" Link is not present; and have their
shown/hidden state changed because the "Show Deleted" and "Hide Deleted"
Links are not present. To Empty Trash, either click the 'Empty Trash'
link in the menubar" (if it is present because the following Checkbox is
checked) or go to your "Trash" mailbox/Folder and click the "Empty Trash
folder" Link (if it is present because the following Checkbox is not
checked).

Unchecked: This is optional and is more consistent with the ways that
Eudora and OE operate, but I no longer recommend it due to the
possibility of data loss (explained below). Messages which are deleted
from a particular mailbox/Folder stay where they are, but get
marked/flagged as deleted (struck out). Deleted messages can be:
unmarked using the "Undeleted" marking option; purged (equivalent to
"Empty Trash" for that mailbox/Folder) using the "Purge Deleted" Link;
and shown or hidden using the "Show Deleted" and "Hide Deleted" Links
(only one of these two Links shows at a time, depending on
appropriateness).
DATA LOSS WARNING: If you want to keep any deleted messages in a
particular mailbox/Folder, DO NOT USE WEBMAIL TO DELETE OR MOVE
(INCLUDING BY ACTION OF A FILTER) ANY MESSAGE IN THAT MAILBOX/FOLDER OR
IT WILL MARK THAT MESSAGE AS DELETED AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY PURGE ALL OF
THE DELETED MESSAGES IN THAT MAILBOX/FOLDER INSTEAD OF JUST MARKING THAT
MESSAGE AS DELETED. I have learned this from experience the hard way,
and I am not pleased. I consider this a bug, inconsistent with the
implied "When deleting messages, ALWAYS mark them as deleted AND KEEP
THEM IN THE MAILBOX/FOLDER instead of moving them to your Trash folder"
unchecked status of this Checkbox.


Display the 'Empty Trash' link in the menubar?: This is pretty
self-explanatory, except that if you check this Checkbox and use
keyboard shortcuts the "'Empty Trash' link in the menubar" will hijack
Alt+E, leaving Alt+T for the "Report as Spam" Link. Also, the "Empty
Trash folder" Link is only present in the "Trash" mailbox/Folder display
if this Checkbox is not checked.


Acknowledgement: This FAQ Entry grew out of my experiences and writings
in the Folder Level Delete Malfing??? Topic [at
http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=322].


-- 
Best Regards,  Jeff G.
I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a
Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for
getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net).  Please reply via Forum, Group,
or List only.

From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Feb 22 19:53:50 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (nobody)
Date: Tue Feb 22 19:55:39 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cvg7rp$mt8$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvgc85$q63$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cvgiku$u7l$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cvgk76$v1j$1@news.spamcop.net>

> While the info posted above is correct by default, there is an option
> that makes it incorrect.  I posted the following in "FAQ Entry: Webmail:
> Deleting and Moving Messages'at
> http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3290 on Dec 26 2004
> at 02:19 PM EST:

Jeff, can you explain how this is relevant here? We were talking about IMAP 
in Outlook Express, not about webmail. The settings in webmail have no 
effect whatsoever on how OE handles the deletion of messages. I do not see 
how your FAQ entry relates to what was said in the previous post.


From jeffg at spamcop.net  Wed Feb 23 22:25:21 2005
From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.)
Date: Wed Feb 23 22:50:15 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
References: <cvfo6o$c0s$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvfsih$f16$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cvg7rp$mt8$1@news.spamcop.net> <cvgc85$q63$1@news.spamcop.net>
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nobody <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> organized electrons in article
news:cvgk76$v1j$1@news.spamcop.net that appeared as follows:
>> While the info posted above is correct by default, there is an option
>> that makes it incorrect.  I posted the following in "FAQ Entry:
>> Webmail: Deleting and Moving Messages'at
>> http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3290 on Dec 26
>> 2004 at 02:19 PM EST:
>
> Jeff, can you explain how this is relevant here? We were talking
> about IMAP in Outlook Express, not about webmail. The settings in
> webmail have no effect whatsoever on how OE handles the deletion of
> messages. I do not see how your FAQ entry relates to what was said in
> the previous post.

It looked like you could have been referring to the "Purge Deleted"
capability of Webmail.  Sorry for the confusion.

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From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Thu Feb 24 08:24:41 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (nobody)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:25:40 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
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> It looked like you could have been referring to the "Purge Deleted"
> capability of Webmail.  Sorry for the confusion.
>

I was talking about "Purge deleted messages" in Outlook and "Purge" in 
Outlook Express. Sorry if I did not make that clear enough.


From nospam at verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 10:11:22 2005
From: nospam at verizon.net (Freewheeling)
Date: Fri Feb 25 10:15:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: subfolders
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Thanks.  That worked like a charm!

"nobody" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message 
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>> I'm just guessing here, but it appears that I will not be able to 
>> download and remove the emails in the subfolders unless I move them to 
>> the main inbox.
>
> You can "download and remove" them by simply dragging and dropping them 
> within Outlook Express from one of the subfolders within your IMAP account 
> to any of your local folders. (You can do the same thing in Outlook, too, 
> but this does not preserve all the headers). Once you have dragged the 
> messages over to your local folders, they will be "marked as deleted" in 
> your IMAP subfolder. You can then use the "purge delete messages" function 
> (called simply "Purge" in OE) to remove them for good from your IMAP 
> subfolder.
>
>> I just thought there might be some way to access the subfolders using POP 
>> as well.
>
> No, POP is an old protocol that does not understand the whole concept of 
> folders and will only get the messages from your inbox.
>
>