[SpamCop-List] Re: The chinese own spam

[Marjolein Katsma]

Miss Betsy (nobody at spamcop.net) wrote in news:c707vu$2gb$1
@news.spamcop.net:

> IIUC, there are 'races' based on color:  black, white, yellow, and
> sometimes brown

That's a definition used only by those who don't know what "race" really 
is. Color !- race.

> China is a nation - like the US.

No, China is very unlike the US. It actually has many different 
nationalities - even officially. Unofficially, even more. (As far as I 
know the US still doesn't recognize the various Indian peoples as 
separate nationalities withing their borders.)

China is a country - NOT a "nation".

> Prejudice against China or the US is not against a race, but against a
> nation. 

Prejudice against China is against a *perceived* nation (which doesn't 
exist as such) and/or against one *perceived* race (of which there are 
actually many in China. (Or prejudice against a *perceived* political 
system.)

> When people within a nation are prejudiced against certain portions of
> the citizenry, it is called 'ethnic' prejudice.

It's called racism if it's prejudice against people of a different race, 
regardless of whether tehy live insoide or outside of your own country. 
(Plenty of that within China, as there is still plenty in the US.)

> Since the people who are prejudiced against China and Korea because
> of spam, are not also prejudiced against Japan and Thailand (also
> predominately 'yellow' races), they are not 'racist', but either
> ethnic or nationally prejudiced.

They are racist because they are prejudiced a *perceived* race. Japan, 
Korea, Thailand and China all have different ethnic groups (races) 
wliving withing their borders. The way you formulate that sentence 
indicates you don't even know that *neither* 'race' *nor* 'ethnicity' 
applies to any of those countries.

> IOW, a racist holds certain judgmental views about all the members
> of a particular race whatever country, those members of a race
> inhabit.

*Perceived* race. Racism doesn't have to be targeted at "actual" race - 
there's no such thing as 'yellow races'. The mere fact that you even use 
such a term _is_ racist. And immensely insulting.

> If a person holds a particular view of only the inhabitants of a
> particular nation (and most nations have many races and ethnic
> groups), then it is not racist, but an ethnic prejudice.

How can it be "ethnic prejudice" when it applies to many people of 
different ethnicity, just because they happen to live in the same 
country (occupied or not)?

People are not "inhabitants of a nation" - they are inhabitants of a 
_country_ and those inhabitants together may *form* a nation (or 
several).

"Nation" is about identity; "country" is a political & geographical unit 
with defined (and hopefully recognized) borders.

Ethnic prejudice applies to ethnicity therefore is *exactly* the same 
thing as racism.

> I am not looking anything up, but I think that ethnic applies to
> national characteristics. 

No, it applies to your *origins*. For instance, Uyghurs, Tadjiks, 
Mongols and Han are all *different* races (of Turki, Indo-European, 
Mongol and "Han-Chinese" origins) - and they all live within the same 
country; are recognized even in China as being different 
"nationalities". (Not that the Han's definitions are all that clear-cut 
because they call the Hui a "nationality", too, just because they're 
muslims - but ethnically they're Han.)

> The problem, of course, with prejudice is that it 'prejudges'
> individuals based on a criterion that is not universal among those
> with the identifying characteristic (such as skin color or passport
> or religion).

Skin color has actually nothing to do with race. (It does have a lot to 
do with prejudice - but that's *perceived* race again.) 

> In this case, not all Chinese ISP's nor technicians
> (nor all Chinese people) are greedy or incompetent opportunists.

Of course not. Not even all people in China (which is more than 
"Chinese" people - if we're talking about ethnicity).

> however, there is a larger base of users in the US and Europe and
> Asia who have objected so that those in other places have their
> activities curtailed. 

Just don't forget how HUGE China is. Compared to for instance Brazil, or 
Costa Rica. The language barrier plays a role, too, I'm sure. They will 
get the message, some ISPs are already getting the message - it's just 
going to take one hell of a lot longer than it did with Costa Rica 
because the country is so HUGE compared to other countries.


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