From spam_hjp at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 07:02:58 2005 From: spam_hjp at yahoo.com (Jim) Date: Mon Aug 1 06:05:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] [Reporting problem (found problem: COMCAST)] Message-ID: > > Enjoy your new server. If you're running it yourself, > though, take care that spammers aren't enjoying it too. > > There is option (which I have on) that only allows this computer to use it. (first SMTP server I found when I did search) I also run AVG Pro, ZoneAlarm Pro, Thunderbird/Firefox and all XP updates so I am pretty comfortable using it. Home page of 1st SMTP Server - http://www.emailarms.com/products/1st_smtp.html Jim > > > From hwolfe at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 07:08:25 2005 From: hwolfe at spamcop.net (Herb Wolfe) Date: Mon Aug 1 07:10:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] filters problem Message-ID: I log onto my spamcop webmail account from several computers. The filters I have set up from the home pc are non-existant when I check my filters from work, and do not work. I should have a total of four filters, two of which are the same, with different names, for mailing lists I'm on, but I can only see the ones set up on the specific pc, ie the ones I set up at work, I can only see there, the ones set up on my home pc, I can only see here at home. I noticed this when, at work, I saw messages in my held mail that should have been allowed through by the filters. When I went in to check the filters, they weren't there. This is becoming very frustrating, and more than once I've nearly reported a message that should not have been in my held mail. Is there any hope of getting this bug fixed? From wiggledoo at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 07:46:09 2005 From: wiggledoo at yahoo.com (richarddelo) Date: Mon Aug 1 09:50:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] spam Message-ID: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> spam is good, I eat it all the time :) richard_delozier@spanners4us.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Aug 1 08:19:00 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Aug 1 10:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: spam References: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: richarddelo wrote: Organization: http://groups.google.com I can't figger out the feed situation between .help and googlegroups. I can see that I can post to .help from googlegroups, but 'normally' the posts to the newsserver don't get/propagate to googlegroups -- except sometimes. The last post into .help from an NNTP which propagated to googlegroups was May 3. However, that wasn't a 'normal' newsagent to nntp server post. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 15:08:31 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Mon Aug 1 15:10:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: spam References: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dclb0h$c18$1@news.spamcop.net... > richarddelo wrote: > Organization: http://groups.google.com > > I can't figger out the feed situation between .help and googlegroups. > > I can see that I can post to .help from googlegroups, but 'normally' the > posts to the newsserver don't get/propagate to googlegroups -- except > sometimes. The last post into .help from an NNTP which propagated to > googlegroups was May 3. However, that wasn't a 'normal' newsagent to > nntp server post. Note the webTV path again / still. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 15:16:37 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Mon Aug 1 15:20:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: filters problem References: Message-ID: "Herb Wolfe" wrote in message news:dckvp6$6dj$1@news.spamcop.net... > I log onto my spamcop webmail account from several computers. The > filters I have set up from the home pc are non-existant when I check my > filters from work, and do not work. I should have a total of four > filters, two of which are the same, with different names, for mailing > lists I'm on, but I can only see the ones set up on the specific pc, ie > the ones I set up at work, I can only see there, the ones set up on my > home pc, I can only see here at home. I noticed this when, at work, I > saw messages in my held mail that should have been allowed through by > the filters. When I went in to check the filters, they weren't there. > This is becoming very frustrating, and more than once I've nearly > reported a message that should not have been in my held mail. Is there > any hope of getting this bug fixed? This should either be in the spamcop.mail newsgroup or the Forum. I opened up a query for you in the Forum, found at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4643 From mike.easter at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 14:20:56 2005 From: mike.easter at gmail.com (mike.easter@gmail.com) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: spam In-Reply-To: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1122927656.938670.19280@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Posted from googlegroups to look for webtv in path. -- Mike Easter From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Aug 1 14:32:52 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:35:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: spam References: <1122903969.712000.131910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I can see that I can post to .help from googlegroups, but 'normally' >> the posts to the newsserver don't get/propagate to googlegroups -- >> except sometimes. > Note the webTV path again / still. It appears that the 'normal' path from googlegroups posting into the newsserver into .help is consistent in that way -- but that doesn't yet help me understand it/why. That is, my recent post from google groups took the same path. Path: news.spamcop.net! newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net! news.glorb.com! postnews.google.com! g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com! not-for-mail This below is a path from a /webtv/ user IP into google groups and then into my EL newsserver Path: newsspool2.news.pas.earthlink.net! stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net! elnk-nf2-pas! newsfeed.earthlink.net! newshub.sdsu.edu! postnews.google.com! g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com! not-for-mail That is a very very consistent path from sdsu newshub to the EL newsserver. That is also a very very consistent path from googlegroups up to the sdsu server. What I think you are saying is that spamcop.help resides on and feeds to and from the webtv newsserver, which also gets its feeds from glorb which is how it communicates with the google postnews. In one sense, it is 'simpler' to me to understand how posting into googlegroups gets onto the SC newsserver than it is for me to understand how come occasionally a post gets from the SC newsserver into googlegroups spamcop.help. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com Mon Aug 1 17:52:07 2005 From: h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com (Anon_) Date: Mon Aug 1 19:55:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: [webforum]Who would spam a sneakemail? References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:da1ks3$84f$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Anon_" wrote in message > news:d9rr09$tuu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I could not find THAT posting (about sneakemail) on the forum, > but a spammer > > gets a sneakemail address the same way he gets any other address > (scraping) > > and I HAVE gotten spam on my sneakemail addresses. > > > > I just kill that sneakemail address and recreate it if necessary. > > The OP directed a complaint to the sneakemail addressee company and > got a lot of flak back. > > My personal opinion is that the company had an employee who got a > sobig virus infection for long enough that it got the sneakemail > address. > > Miss Betsy > > *** Probable reason for the flack is that the sneakemail addressee thought that a sneakemail address would not ever GET any spam - the sneakemail.com home page sort of indicates that with 'stop spam with snaeakemail, the spam stopper' as the name of their address link (dragging their home page address into the IE link shows that as the link's name.) >From my experience (see above) - it may not STOP spam but the spammed address can be deleted (so it no longer exists) thereby stopping spam from reaching you via that address. Too bad that the above sneakemail addressee made such a big thing out of it - it could have been a learning experience for him. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 3 08:39:52 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Aug 3 08:35:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: [webforum]Who would spam a sneakemail? References: Message-ID: "Anon_" wrote in message news:dcmchf$ut4$1@news.spamcop.net... > From my experience (see above) - it may not STOP spam but the spammed > address can be deleted (so it no longer exists) thereby stopping spam from > reaching you via that address. > > Too bad that the above sneakemail addressee made such a big thing out of > it - it could have been a learning experience for him. IMHO, the sneakemail addressee thought that the company would be grateful for learning that one of their addresses had been found by a spammer. And it was a learning experience for him, in that he found out that this particular company didn't follow the rule that the customer is always right. IMHO, instead of shrugging his shoulders and deleting the email (and the service - IIRC, he would have had to change his email address in order to keep the service if he deleted their contact), he was trying to make it clear to them that it was their fault and that they had a problem. Miss Betsy From usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch Thu Aug 4 12:35:51 2005 From: usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) Date: Thu Aug 4 07:40:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] How to contact somebody sending a complaint. Message-ID: Hey all We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, generating an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as most customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even results) about the complaints they sent. Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the person sending that complaint. The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find any information to identify the address involved. Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different email address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to 'drop'? Regards -Benoit Panizzon- From glnews030922 at highspot.net Thu Aug 4 14:16:00 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Thu Aug 4 08:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Hey all > > We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, generating > an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. > > This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as most > customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even results) about > the complaints they sent. > > > Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the > person sending that complaint. > The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find any > information to identify the address involved. > > Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? > > Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different email > address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to 'drop'? Replying to the complaint should get your message to the person that reported it. The message goes through a blind redirector and is forwarded to the reporter. I report about 100 spam emails per day and only get a response from the ISP involved about once every 6 months or so, but the mechanism does work. That said, the reporter has no obligation to supply you with additional information. You should be able to track the message source by looking at the headers sent to you. If you're looking for the email address involved in order to listwash, you're probably not going to get it. If you are getting rejects when trying to reply to the report, try writing to deputies >at< admin.spamcop.net and asking for the information you think you need. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Aug 4 06:58:26 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Aug 4 09:00:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: Benoit Panizzon wrote: > We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, > generating an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. That doesn't sound like a wise configuration. Is it designed to just autoack spamcop complaints or is it some kind of 'generalized' autoack? Autoacks can cause an IP to become blocklisted. See http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html Why are auto responders bad? > This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as > most customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even > results) about the complaints they sent. I don't understand 'drop all emails from our tracker system' - but I wouldn't want autoacks from your system. Probably it has gotten you onto the spamcop blocklist. The spamcop system is designed to allow the recipients to configure to only allow replies from sentient beings, not autoacks and that is the default. I can configure my preferences to make this choice: Report reply handling Forward only replies from sentient people Forward replies from people and robots SpamCop challenges "administrators" by making them respond to an email to determine if they are people or robots. Only human replies which require action from you are forwarded to your attention by default. You may override this behavior if you would rather receive every reply, robotic or otherwise. > Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the > person sending that complaint. Then you should have a sentient being send a reply to the report address. > The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find > any information to identify the address involved. That is by design. The SC system is designed to protect or defend the email identity of the person making the report. > Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? Yes. You send your human reply to the report id. > Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different > email address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to > 'drop'? I don't understand 'drop' in this context. Maybe you mean blocklisted. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Aug 4 10:28:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Aug 4 09:30:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: "Benoit Panizzon" wrote in message news:dcsuin$pr2$1@news.spamcop.net... | Hey all | | We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, generating | an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. | | This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as most | customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even results) about | the complaints they sent. | | | Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the | person sending that complaint. | The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find any | information to identify the address involved. | | Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? | | Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different email | address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to 'drop'? | | Regards | -Benoit Panizzon- As for myself I don't respond to auto-replies. Of the few direct human responses I get most are not followed up on when I do respond. Basically an exercise in mental masturbation. From panoptes at iquest.net Thu Aug 4 13:51:17 2005 From: panoptes at iquest.net (Daniel W. Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 4 13:55:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: <1h0rsm5.wt6hvd1fpws3kN%panoptes@iquest.net> Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Hey all > > We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, generating > an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. > > This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as most > customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even results) about > the complaints they sent. > > > Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the > person sending that complaint. > The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find any > information to identify the address involved. > > Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? > > Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different email > address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to 'drop'? By "drop" are you referring to the tendency of most people to have the first option below selected in their preferences? Report reply handling * Forward only replies from sentient people * Forward replies from people and robots If that's all, the instructions in http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/96.html should be a good starting point. Since abuse and other role addresses often get forwarded to one or people who actually handle the mail, I would be surprised if they cared about the return address matching. -- Daniel W. Johnson panoptes@iquest.net http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/ 039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W From usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch Fri Aug 5 09:03:26 2005 From: usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) Date: Fri Aug 5 04:05:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: Graeme Leith wrote: > That said, the reporter has no obligation to supply you with additional > information. You should be able to track the message source by looking > at the headers sent to you. If you're looking for the email address > involved in order to listwash, you're probably not going to get it. Hehe, no. Not at all. We're hosting the 'spamvertized' website. It is the Website of a Medicinal Magazine. After the complaint we asked our customer why he sent spam. His reply way: This is not Spam. We sent this Email to all of our registered customers. So now I would like to ask the complainer if he is not maybe really a subscriber of that magazine. And thus should not have reported this email as spam as there is a relationship between the email sender and recipient. But without his email address I can't contact him, and I can't ask our customer for more data like when and how he did subscribe to that magazine and agree to get email news. Well, maybe it's best just to drop that report and flag it as 'not spam' in Spamcop. Regards -Benoit- From usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch Fri Aug 5 09:16:00 2005 From: usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) Date: Fri Aug 5 04:20:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Benoit Panizzon wrote: > >> We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, >> generating an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. > > That doesn't sound like a wise configuration. Is it designed to just > autoack spamcop complaints or is it some kind of 'generalized' autoack? > Autoacks can cause an IP to become blocklisted. See > http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html Why are auto responders > bad? Not at all. We are a Cable ISP. All our customer's support cases get into that system. There are different Queues for different topics. 'Abuse' is the one spamcop reports get into. Most of our customers rely on getting an Tracking ID. So if they don't get a reply, they can call in and ask for the status of Support Case $ID and whoever get's them on the phone get's all the data needed to answer that case. Also if the customer replies by email and has the right ID in the Subject, the reply get's assigned to the right case (and even to the supporter that did handle that case before). In case of portscanns etc. which also get to the abuse queue. Some reporters were quite happy to hear we warned the customer, or even blocked his access in case of repeated incidents. > SpamCop challenges "administrators" by making them respond to an email > to determine if they are people or robots. Only human replies which > require action from you are forwarded to your attention by default. Yup. I know that. But our systems sends an automated 'ack we got your complaint, it has tracking ID XXXX, please reply to that ID if you have further question' and some time later the human replies: 'Hello, this customer has been warned and has cleaned his trojanized computer. Case is resolved. If you get more Spam, please tell us again'. Well. we could turn off the first automated 'ack' email, but then the person sending a complaint would open a new trouble ticket for every addition as he can't know about the tracking ID. > You may override this behavior if you would rather receive every reply, > robotic or otherwise. > Yes, me (as somebody sending a complaint). But as the ISP Abuse-Guy trying to answer a complaint to somebody who has toggled his setting to drop robot replies and spamcop not being able to distinguish between autoreplies and human replies if they come from the same 'abuse' address, won't get my reply to the complainer. >> Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different >> email address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to >> 'drop'? > > I don't understand 'drop' in this context. Maybe you mean blocklisted. Maybe. My Question is: If abuse@example.com ist blocklisted because of the sayd auto 'ack' of incoming complaints. Would an reply sent from 'someotherguy@example.com' sent to the same ID also be blocked? Does spamcop block the sender address 'abuse@example.com' or does it block everything sent to ID@reports.spamcop.net because it knows it sent that complaint to abuse@example.com. -Benoit- From usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch Fri Aug 5 09:19:27 2005 From: usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) Date: Fri Aug 5 04:20:07 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > As for myself I don't respond to auto-replies. Of the few direct human > responses I get most are not followed up on when I do respond. > > Basically an exercise in mental masturbation. I know. Most ISP do not reply to abuse complaints. But we do! Regards -Benoit- From usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch Fri Aug 5 09:21:04 2005 From: usenet-20041007 at spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) Date: Fri Aug 5 04:25:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: <1h0rsm5.wt6hvd1fpws3kN%panoptes@iquest.net> Message-ID: Daniel W. Johnson wrote: > Since abuse and other role addresses often get forwarded to one or > people who actually handle the mail, I would be surprised if they cared > about the return address matching. I suppose must ISP will have some sort of automated system to track abuse cases. So the reply address of a human crafted answer is most likely abuse@isp wich is most likely the one spamcop sent the complaint to. -Benoit- From wb8tyw at qsl.network Fri Aug 5 09:18:53 2005 From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) Date: Fri Aug 5 08:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Hey all > > We're an ISP and Spamcop Complaints get into our Tracker System, generating > an Auto-Reply to the sender with an Incident ID. > > This caused Spamcop to drop all Emails from our Tracker System, as most > customer apparently do not want to get any reply (not even results) about > the complaints they sent. Please set up an incoming e-mail address for spamcop.net reports that does not auto-ack and then inform the deputies (at)spamcop.net about it. That is what other ISPs have done. > Now we got a bit a strange complaint where I would need to contact the > person sending that complaint. > The Email is Munged and except of the receiving server I can't find any > information to identify the address involved. > > Is there a way to contact the person submitting the complaint? That has been answered. Each spamcop.net report is sent from a valid temporary e-mail address that will route a report from a human. > Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a different email > address or is just everything dropped once an ISP is set to 'drop'? There does not appear to be any setting to just drop everything. I have received several replies to reports I have submitted. > We're hosting the 'spamvertized' website. It is the Website of a Medicinal > Magazine. > > After the complaint we asked our customer why he sent spam. His reply way: > This is not Spam. We sent this Email to all of our registered customers. That is also the same excuse that many spammers do and also the excuse of many people who do not confirm subscriptions, or make the erroneous assumption that an e-mail address for confirming billing / shipping information should be sent unsolicited advertising. One thing to look at is where did the reported spam come from. It should be in the spamcop.net report. Is there a clear and obvious relationship between the sending network and the web site? If there is not, then there is a very high probability that your customer is pulling a fast one on you and is using another ISP for the mailing simply to try and avoid spam reports. Not having the clear and obvious relationship between the sending network and sending e-mail name and the the domain name the web site is on could be considered a violation of the can-spam law? And is this a paid for magazine, or one of the ones that starts being mailed to anyone that they can get a postal address for? Spammers and other kooks will deliberately sign up e-mail addresses that they suspect belong to spam reporters or anyone that they do not like on any mailing list that does not confirm the subscription just to cause this type of trouble. > So now I would like to ask the complainer if he is not maybe really a > subscriber of that magazine. And thus should not have reported this email as > spam as there is a relationship between the email sender and recipient. All you have to do is contact the temporary e-mail in the spamcop.net report. It could have been an accident. Especially if the unexpected e-mail is sent in anything other than plain text. The presence of pictures or HTML on an unsolicited message can cause many content filters to misclassify a message as spam. And some reporters just blindly report anything their content filter tags as spam through spamcop.net. A business should never assume that a mailing should be in anything other than plain-text and no attachments. > Not at all. We are a Cable ISP. But since your customer admitted sending the e-mail, and they used a different service than it hosting the web site, that in it self looks very suspicious. That is a spammer behavior to avoid getting their web page taken down for spam reports. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 08:26:07 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Aug 5 08:20:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: "Benoit Panizzon" wrote in message news:dcv780$iku$1@news.spamcop.net... > My Question is: > > If abuse@example.com ist blocklisted because of the sayd auto 'ack' of > incoming complaints. Would an reply sent from 'someotherguy@example.com' > sent to the same ID also be blocked? > > Does spamcop block the sender address 'abuse@example.com' or does it block > everything sent to ID@reports.spamcop.net because it knows it sent that > complaint to abuse@example.com. I don't know what spamcop does about autoacks to tracking id's, but in general spamcop blocks IP addresses, not email addresses. Reporters have an option to receive all answers including autoacks. If you are sending auto acks, then if the reporter doesn't want them, they would be dropped. Possibly if you answer the challenge, you will be able to send a message to the reporter. Just because the company says that they have a registered mailing list doesn't mean that they have a confirmed subscription list. IIUC, those who have a confirmed subscription list can look at the email and identify it as being registered even if it has been munged by spamcop. If the reporter munged it, then maybe not. I am really glad that you are making your customers clean up their trojanized machines! Miss Betsy From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 08:31:48 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Aug 5 08:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: "Benoit Panizzon" wrote in message news:dcv7ef$iku$2@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: > > > As for myself I don't respond to auto-replies. Of the few direct human > > responses I get most are not followed up on when I do respond. > > > > Basically an exercise in mental masturbation. > > I know. Most ISP do not reply to abuse complaints. But we do! FWIW, I checked that I was willing to receive all replies including auto acks. For some ISPs I still never received anything. However, if I manually sent them a report, I would receive an autoack. So it may be possible for the ISP to filter out spamcop reports so that they do not receive an auto ack. And the more I think about it, I doubt that autoacks get permanently blocked because the reporter does have the option to check the switch on and off. Miss Betsy From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Fri Aug 5 10:21:02 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Fri Aug 5 10:25:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: In article , usenet-20041007@spam.woody.ch (Benoit Panizzon) writes: > Graeme Leith wrote: > >> That said, the reporter has no obligation to supply you with additional >> information. You should be able to track the message source by looking >> at the headers sent to you. If you're looking for the email address >> involved in order to listwash, you're probably not going to get it. > > Hehe, no. Not at all. > > We're hosting the 'spamvertized' website. It is the Website of a Medicinal > Magazine. > > After the complaint we asked our customer why he sent spam. His reply way: > This is not Spam. We sent this Email to all of our registered customers. I would suggest to the spammer that a "registered customer" is not the same as someone who wanted to receive advertisements via email. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Aug 5 08:41:03 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Aug 5 10:45:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: Message-ID: Benoit Panizzon wrote: > Mike Easter >> Benoit Panizzon wrote: >>> Is the id@reports.spamcop.net valid even if answered from a >>> different email address or is just everything dropped once an ISP >>> is set to 'drop'? >> >> I don't understand 'drop' in this context. Maybe you mean >> blocklisted. > > Maybe. > > My Question is: > > If abuse@example.com ist blocklisted because of the sayd auto 'ack' of > incoming complaints. Would an reply sent from > 'someotherguy@example.com' sent to the same ID also be blocked? The SCbl spamcop blocklist is a DNSbl of IP addresses, not email addresses in the From or similar. > Does spamcop block the sender address 'abuse@example.com' or does it > block everything sent to ID@reports.spamcop.net because it knows it > sent that complaint to abuse@example.com. SpamCop the blocklist doesn't block anything. People use blocklists as part of a system for handling their spam. SpamCop the mailservice tags mail based on blocklists and other characteristics. Your issue about reports is with spamcop the parsing and reporting service. The business of your mail to a report address is mostly a separate subject than your mail being affected by being on a blocklist because your mail to a report address is an issue involving the spamcop spamreporting system.^1 Your mail to a report address is challenged when a reporter has accepted the default configuration for that. If your system does a lot of autoacking for various reasons, it might get blocklisted for the reasons I posted earlier. ^1 SpamCop is a parsing and reporting system, a mail filtering and reporting service, and the maintainer of the spamcop blocklist. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From panoptes at iquest.net Sat Aug 6 02:29:11 2005 From: panoptes at iquest.net (Daniel W. Johnson) Date: Sat Aug 6 02:30:08 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: <1h0rsm5.wt6hvd1fpws3kN%panoptes@iquest.net> Message-ID: <1h0umeh.1xk981l1xrg7y8N%panoptes@iquest.net> Benoit Panizzon wrote: > I suppose must ISP will have some sort of automated system to track abuse > cases. So the reply address of a human crafted answer is most likely > abuse@isp wich is most likely the one spamcop sent the complaint to. I just found the following: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/246.html Did your autoresponder use the same return address as the human who wants to respond? -- Daniel W. Johnson panoptes@iquest.net http://members.iquest.net/~panoptes/ 039 53 36 N / 086 11 55 W From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Sat Aug 6 07:36:24 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Sat Aug 6 07:40:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. References: <1h0rsm5.wt6hvd1fpws3kN%panoptes@iquest.net> <1h0umeh.1xk981l1xrg7y8N%panoptes@iquest.net> Message-ID: In article <1h0umeh.1xk981l1xrg7y8N%panoptes@iquest.net>, panoptes@iquest.net (Daniel W. Johnson) writes: > Did your autoresponder use the same return address as the human who > wants to respond? If so, I guess the _design_goal_ was to have them indistinguishable. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 01:22:17 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Cat) Date: Wed Aug 10 01:25:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: How to contact somebody sending a complaint. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Benoit Panizzon wrote: > After the complaint we asked our customer why he sent spam. His reply way: > This is not Spam. We sent this Email to all of our registered customers. > > So now I would like to ask the complainer if he is not maybe really a > subscriber of that magazine. And thus should not have reported this email as > spam as there is a relationship between the email sender and recipient. > > But without his email address I can't contact him, and I can't ask our > customer for more data like when and how he did subscribe to that magazine > and agree to get email news. In this case, you should ask the customer to provide proof that he got all the addresses on his mailing list through confirmed opt in. You do not need to contact the complainer. You only need proof of confirmed opt in mailing list practices from your customer. Asking for the spam victim's e-mail address only opens up the possibility for abuse by your customer and is a serious violation of the spam victim's privacy. This is a sore spot for me because I have had clueless ISPs in the past to pass on my complaint to the spammer after the spammer claimed that all of the e-mail addresses on his mailing list had opted in. You only need proof that the customer actually had permission to send e-mail to the addresses on his mailing list. All you need for that is copies of opt in confirmation. > Well, maybe it's best just to drop that report and flag it as 'not spam' in > Spamcop. Maybe it's best to further investigate your customer as I said above to check whether or not the customer just blindly e-mails every address that he receives through his web site or whether he acquired those addresses legitimately through confirmed opt in. Claiming that you think it's best to just drop reports is a cop out and shows that you don't really care to properly investigate whether or not your customer is a spammer. -Cat SpamCop user, not an admin From ronNOSPAMisaiah at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:29:22 2005 From: ronNOSPAMisaiah at gmail.com (Ron Isaiah) Date: Thu Aug 11 00:30:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Millionaire at 31 ... on the Internet! Listen to how he is doing it. Message-ID: If you're ready to listen to a Millionaire speak on how he got there and receive for free the amazing new Formula that has made him wealthy... CLICK THIS LINK NOW: http://www.superiormarketingpartners.com/audioebook.html Again, you DO NOT NEED A WEB SITE to make money. 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Here's the link to his amazing audio ebook interview where you can learn the simple 9-Step Formula that if applied within the next few hours will begin earning money by the end of the week. http://www.superiormarketingpartners.com/audioebook.html --- MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20050809180825Q8t6AxM3 From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 11 20:31:03 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (SJones) Date: Thu Aug 11 19:35:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Hello? Message-ID: Where has everbody gone. Only seeing about 1 e-mail on these groups every two days. Has something happened of which I should be aware? -- All spam & UCE are reported. From lart-o-matic at revbeergoggles.com Thu Aug 11 19:31:58 2005 From: lart-o-matic at revbeergoggles.com (Rev Beergoggles) Date: Thu Aug 11 19:35:06 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Millionaire at 31 ... on the Internet! Listen to how he is doing it. References: Message-ID: Ron Isaiah did pass the time by spamming: ]From: "Ron Isaiah" ]NNTP-Posting-Host: ool-18b9f40c.dyn.optonline.net optonline, not suprising. -- rbg From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Aug 11 22:33:15 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Thu Aug 11 21:35:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Hello? References: Message-ID: "SJones" wrote in message news:ddgn3l$566$1@news.spamcop.net... : Where has everbody gone. Only seeing about 1 e-mail on these groups : every two days. Has something happened of which I should be aware? : : -- : All spam & UCE are reported. Not a lot of traffic on this particular group, but it is read and kept track of. Most posts get fairly prompt replies. The more active group is simply spamcop. There is also a forum if you like forums. Check the spamcop entry pages for info. Lot of traffic on spamcop. group. Pop From glnews030922 at highspot.net Tue Aug 16 13:09:38 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Tue Aug 16 07:10:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Routing issue reports me instead of spammer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jon (spamtrap) wrote: > Dear all, > > I wonder if you could help me with a routing issue: > > ----- start of received lines > Received: from mailsweeper.bbb.co.uk ([212.248.233.182]) by > EXCH1.corp.bbb.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); > Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:45:58 +0100 > Received: from superonline.com (unverified [62.66.229.118]) by > mailsweeper.bbb.co.uk > (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.1.4) with SMTP id > for ; > Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:02:39 +0100 > ----- end of received lines > > This is reporting my mailserver (212.248.233.182) rather than the spammer > (62.66.229.118). Any thoughts why this might be? Suspect is has something to > do with how my various servers hand off to each other. On the Spamcop web site, click the mailhosts tab at the top of the page and go through the setup procedure. Once this is done, the problem should go away. If you have mail accounts for multiple domains, you should go through the procedure with one address from each of the domains. The routing ng is for associating IP address blocks with ISP reporting addresses. [Crossposted and followups to spamcop.help] -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Aug 16 05:49:39 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Aug 16 07:50:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Routing issue reports me instead of spammer References: Message-ID: Graeme Leith wrote: > Jon (spamtrap) wrote: >> I wonder if you could help me with a routing issue: Just to re-iterate what Graeme has explained to address some additional housekeeping and organizational and posting guidelines. First, this wasn't a 'routing' issue, it was apparently a transient parsing issue and you posted some partial headers to illustrate or demonstrate your point, but it didn't illustrate the point as well as a tracker would do, where 'tracker means 'tracking url'. This is a tracker for a forged or contrived spam I created out of your partial headers to demonstrate both a tracking url, and also to demonstrate that SC currently parses those Received tracelines perfectly well. When SC parses an item, it puts this at the top of every parse Here is your TRACKING URL - it may be saved for future reference: http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z796657640zc32c9fc85104fd73607c05362b26c49bz That tracker can be accessed by anyone to see both how the spam is parsed, and also to see the entire spam. So whenever you want to show us something, you have the parser parse the item and paste the tracker into your message which is discussing the item. That tracker shows this now [before I cancelled the report]: Report Spam to: Re: 62.66.229.118 (Administrator of network where email originates) To: abuse@cybercity.dk (Notes) This abbreviation below is how I like to discuss Received tracelines. Abbreviated Received lines *comment from mailsweeper.bbb.co.uk ([212.248.233.182]) by EXCH1.corp.bbb.co.uk *serves you from superonline.com (unverified [62.66.229.118]) by mailsweeper.bbb.co.uk *sourceline You are asking why SC named 212.248.233.182 as the source -- but if you will click the tracker above, you will see that presently SC doesn't name that IP which handles your mail, but instead names the source 62.66.229.118 rDNS 0x3e42e576.adsl.cybercity.dk which is a proxified user IP listed in cbl and scbl. There is a faq on the parser naming your server instead of the correct parsing at http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/13.html Why does SpamCop want to send a report to my own network administrator? The essence of the answer is whether or not SC can successfully parse or chain from the upper 'from' field IP in the Received lines to the lower 'by' field domainname. At the time you submitted the spam item to the parser, it could not, most likely because SC was unfamiliar with the server functioning as a relay. At this time, due to the submission to relay testers and aging, SC now is familiar and correctly parses the item to the source, as demonstrated with the spam forgery. The business of using mailhosts to solve these problems is a newer addition to spamcop's parsing options. Using correctly configured mailhosts greatly reduces the chances of your own provider being named as spamsource, and also helps with some other sources of errors. When you use mail hosts, SC 'tolerates' and trusts your own servers to be relaying, and becomes much more intolerant or distrustful of any preceding relays further down the chain to be relaying. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From martin.cleaver at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 07:29:16 2005 From: martin.cleaver at gmail.com (Martin Cleaver) Date: Tue Aug 16 09:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Russian Spam Message-ID: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I invested in some spamcop pop accountsd for my family and that works great. I also bought another one for our small software company in Holland. However we are receiving about 102- Russian spams a day on that account and spamcop doesn't seem to stop any of them. Is Russian spam in Western Europe not an issue? Do I need to report more? It's hard because I forward the mail back from the spamcop account, so there's no webmail option. Why can't I forward and also keep the mail on the webmail to make reporting spam easier? Now I use my old spamcop attachment forwarding to report the spam, but see no reduction as yet. Please can someone tune the filters to stop Russian crap too? Rgds Martin From mcwebber at my-deja.com Tue Aug 16 11:58:04 2005 From: mcwebber at my-deja.com (McWebber) Date: Tue Aug 16 11:00:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Russian Spam References: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Martin Cleaver" wrote in message news:1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I invested in some spamcop pop accountsd for my family and that works > great. I also bought another one for our small software company in > Holland. However we are receiving about 102- Russian spams a day on > that account and spamcop doesn't seem to stop any of them. Is Russian > spam in Western Europe not an issue? Do I need to report more? It's > hard because I forward the mail back from the spamcop account, so > there's no webmail option. Why can't I forward and also keep the mail > on the webmail to make reporting spam easier? Now I use my old spamcop > attachment forwarding to report the spam, but see no reduction as yet. > Please can someone tune the filters to stop Russian crap too? There are no filters. Spam is blocked by IP of the sender, not the content. -- McWebber "Richter points to the lack of legal action against his company as proof that he's operating appropriately." Information Week, November 10, 2003 From ng.fjxrp at jondh.me.uk Tue Aug 16 17:52:22 2005 From: ng.fjxrp at jondh.me.uk (Jon (spamtrap)) Date: Tue Aug 16 11:55:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Routing issue reports me instead of spammer References: Message-ID: Thanks both. > On the Spamcop web site, click the mailhosts tab at the top of the page > and go through the setup procedure. Once this is done, the problem > should go away. > > If you have mail accounts for multiple domains, you should go through > the procedure with one address from each of the domains. > > > > The routing ng is for associating IP address blocks with ISP reporting > addresses. OK, I'll remember that. Jon From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 15:50:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Aug 16 14:55:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] SpamCop Maintenance Window Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 Message-ID: SpamCop Maintenance Window: The SC reporting system will be down Thursday August 18, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a period of 6-8 hours. No mail/spam will be lost; it will be queued until maintenance is completed. You may notice some delays as we process the queued mail when the system comes back up. This maintenance window does NOT affect the SpamCop email system. Thanks. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 18:00:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Tue Aug 16 19:05:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Russian Spam In-Reply-To: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Martin Cleaver wrote: > I invested in some spamcop pop accountsd for my family and that works > great. I also bought another one for our small software company in > Holland. However we are receiving about 102- Russian spams a day on > that account and spamcop doesn't seem to stop any of them. Is Russian > spam in Western Europe not an issue? Do I need to report more? It's > hard because I forward the mail back from the spamcop account, so > there's no webmail option. Why can't I forward and also keep the mail > on the webmail to make reporting spam easier? Now I use my old spamcop > attachment forwarding to report the spam, but see no reduction as yet. > Please can someone tune the filters to stop Russian crap too? > Rgds > Martin Do you have Spam Assassin filtering turned on in your account? That should help. Richard From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 20:05:35 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Aug 16 20:10:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Russian Spam References: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "RW" wrote in message news:ddtr5o$c24$1@news.spamcop.net... > Martin Cleaver wrote: > > I invested in some spamcop pop accountsd for my family and that works > > great. I also bought another one for our small software company in > > Holland. However we are receiving about 102- Russian spams a day on > > Please can someone tune the filters to stop Russian crap too? > > Rgds > > Martin > > Do you have Spam Assassin filtering turned on in your account? That > should help. > > Richard Actually, http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4732 suggests "not that much help" From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Aug 16 18:21:44 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Aug 16 20:25:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Russian Spam References: <1124198956.249802.93940@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: WazoO wrote: >> Martin Cleaver wrote: >>> Please can someone tune the filters to stop >>> Russian crap too? >> Do you have Spam Assassin filtering turned on in your account? That >> should help. > Actually, http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4732 > suggests "not that much help" The one item whose Xlines were posted by Mike1024 would have been tagged by my SpamPal filters because of the IP being in CBL which puts it in SBL-XBL and because the IP was .kr. It is also in SCbl now. I don't know what it's status was at the time the Xlines were written. 218.145.97.169 no rDNS. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 02:15:20 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Aug 16 21:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? Message-ID: Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and SC. Any ideas? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 22:02:26 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:05:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns96B4C3E1950BDjohnlinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. > He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his > neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and > SC. > Any ideas? 08/16/05 20:57:52 ping news.spamcop.net Ping news.spamcop.net (216.154.195.61) ... 1 Addr:216.154.195.61, RTT: 77ms, TTL: 49 08/16/05 20:58:52 ping forum.spamcop.net Ping forum.spamcop.net (216.154.195.60) ... 1 Addr:216.154.195.60, RTT: 79ms, TTL: 49 08/16/05 21:01:36 ping 68.126.25.165 Ping 68.126.25.165 ... 1 Addr:68.126.25.165, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 51 (from one of his posts in geeks) From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 03:05:39 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:10:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in news:ddu5ri$iic$1 @news.spamcop.net: > 08/16/05 21:01:36 ping 68.126.25.165 > Ping 68.126.25.165 ... > 1 Addr:68.126.25.165, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 51 > (from one of his posts in geeks) One of who's posts? I didn't see anything posted in .geeks from Borg. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 22:10:35 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:15:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns96B4CC69F80C5johnlinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "WazoO" wrote in news:ddu5ri$iic$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > 08/16/05 21:01:36 ping 68.126.25.165 > > Ping 68.126.25.165 ... > > 1 Addr:68.126.25.165, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 51 > > (from one of his posts in geeks) > > One of who's posts? > > I didn't see anything posted in .geeks from Borg. The only "Borg" I'm familiar with is Borgholio ... lots of posts, tho noting that SBC wasn't the domain in the last post I snagged that IP from .. oh well ... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 23:21:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns96B4CC69F80C5johnlinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "WazoO" wrote in news:ddu5ri$iic$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > 08/16/05 21:01:36 ping 68.126.25.165 > > Ping 68.126.25.165 ... > > 1 Addr:68.126.25.165, RTT: 80ms, TTL: 51 > > (from one of his posts in geeks) > > One of who's posts? > > I didn't see anything posted in .geeks from Borg. He can ping it OK. He can telnet in but gets a 201 response that says (no posting). When I telnet in I get a 200 response that says (posting OK). Having reached the end of my extensive usenet knowledge I have emailed Jeff. Ellen From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 03:25:38 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:30:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in news:ddu6as$ivb$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > The only "Borg" I'm familiar with is Borgholio ... lots > of posts, tho noting that SBC wasn't the domain in > the last post I snagged that IP from .. oh well ... > > > Yep, right Borg. ;-) >From what I understand, SBC brought Pac Bell? He's been trying to connect all day apparently. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 03:26:25 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Aug 16 22:30:08 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in news:ddu766$jb7$1@news.spamcop.net: > He can ping it OK. He can telnet in but gets a 201 response that says > (no posting). When I telnet in I get a 200 response that says (posting > OK). Having reached the end of my extensive usenet knowledge I have > emailed Jeff. > > Ellen Thanks Ellen ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 23:06:49 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Aug 16 23:10:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:ddu766$jb7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > He can ping it OK. He can telnet in but gets a 201 response that says (no > posting). When I telnet in I get a 200 response that says (posting OK). > Having reached the end of my extensive usenet knowledge I have emailed Jeff. > > Ellen http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Tue Aug 16 21:10:00 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Tue Aug 16 23:10:08 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. > He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his > neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and > SC. > Any ideas? Yes, I use DSL from SBC west coast (formerly PacBell). No problem with SC newsgroups here. -- John Richards From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 04:20:27 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Aug 16 23:25:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "John Richards" wrote in news:ddu9q8$krh$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Yes, I use DSL from SBC west coast (formerly PacBell). > No problem with SC newsgroups here. Thanks, I'll pass that along. From anon at coks.net Tue Aug 16 23:02:10 2005 From: anon at coks.net (J G) Date: Wed Aug 17 01:05:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/16/2005 8:06 PM WazoO scribbled: > "Ellen" wrote in message > news:ddu766$jb7$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>He can ping it OK. He can telnet in but gets a 201 response that says (no >>posting). When I telnet in I get a 200 response that says (posting OK). >>Having reached the end of my extensive usenet knowledge I have emailed > > Jeff. > >>Ellen > > > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 > > your point? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 03:02:21 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Aug 17 03:05:06 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "J G" wrote in message news:ddug9b$nqv$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 8/16/2005 8:06 PM WazoO scribbled: > > > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 > > > your point? The sequence of events, troubleshooting, suggestions, and results of the last time "one" person had issues including the 201 error. I take it that reading the thread was too much effort? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 01:12:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (N. Miller) Date: Wed Aug 17 03:15:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:15:20 +0000 (UTC), JohnL wrote: > Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. > He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his > neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and > SC. > Any ideas? Another pacbell.net user with no trouble connecting with the SpamCop NNTP servers. -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 01:18:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (N. Miller) Date: Wed Aug 17 03:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:25:38 +0000 (UTC), JohnL wrote: > "WazoO" wrote in news:ddu6as$ivb$1 > @news.spamcop.net: >> The only "Borg" I'm familiar with is Borgholio ... lots >> of posts, tho noting that SBC wasn't the domain in >> the last post I snagged that IP from .. oh well ... > Yep, right Borg. ;-) > > From what I understand, SBC brought Pac Bell? > > He's been trying to connect all day apparently. Well, somebody brought Pac Bell someplace... SBC is actually a fairly new company. After the breakup of AT&T, one of the "Baby Bells" was called, "Southwestern Bell Telephone". I am not sure which company they bought first, but they did go on a buying spree. Along the way, they changed the name to just plain SBC. Their purchases include: Ameritech Telephone (ameritech.net) Pacific Telesys (nvbell.net, pacbell.net) Southern New England Telephone (snet.net) Prodigy (flash.net, prodigy.net, and wans.net) They retired Southwestern Bell Telephone (swbell.net) when they created SBC (sbcglobal.net). -- Norman ~Shine, bright morning light, ~now in the air the spring is coming. ~Sweet, blowing wind, ~singing down the hills and valleys. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 08:48:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 17 07:55:17 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:ddundu$t7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > "J G" wrote in message news:ddug9b$nqv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > On 8/16/2005 8:06 PM WazoO scribbled: > > > > > > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 > > > > > your point? > > The sequence of events, troubleshooting, suggestions, and > results of the last time "one" person had issues including the > 201 error. I take it that reading the thread was too much effort? > > Did that magically resolve itself. I looked at the thread and didn't notice if someone had come up with a specific answer to the problem. Ellen From mopepom at netzero.net Wed Aug 17 10:25:22 2005 From: mopepom at netzero.net (mopepom@netzero.net) Date: Wed Aug 17 09:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Real SPAM Message-ID: Announcement by Reuters: Hormel Foods (HRL), home of SPAM and canned chili, posted 15% top-line growth in its most recent quarter, and its Jennie-O Turkey line is padding the bottom line due to relatively cheap turkey. Recently, the company appeared on the Reuters Select Institutional Ownership screen. The big guys seem to know what they're doing, as Hormel's future prospects in the form of new products, particularly through acquisition look bright. -- ------------------------------------------------- mopepom@netzero.com OR mopepom@canada.com ?,?_?,???`???,?_?,???`???,?_?,???`???,?_?,???`??? ------------------------------------------------- From anon at coks.net Wed Aug 17 09:03:00 2005 From: anon at coks.net (J G) Date: Wed Aug 17 11:05:06 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/17/2005 12:02 AM WazoO scribbled: > "J G" wrote in message news:ddug9b$nqv$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>On 8/16/2005 8:06 PM WazoO scribbled: >> >> > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 > >>your point? > > > The sequence of events, troubleshooting, suggestions, and > results of the last time "one" person had issues including the > 201 error. I take it that reading the thread was too much effort? > > Since the 201 problem snuck in at the end of this thread, I wasn't aware that was the issue addressed. 1st thread that came up on my screen when following your link was someone telling Ethan to stop being an asshole. NBD, but your reference link w/o specifics was a bit vague. In reclicking that link, the thread "can't connect" is centered. Maybe the cat stepped on page/up when I blinked yesterday... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 13:25:22 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Aug 17 13:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:ddv8e2$6an$2@news.spamcop.net... > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:ddundu$t7s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "J G" wrote in message > news:ddug9b$nqv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > On 8/16/2005 8:06 PM WazoO scribbled: > > > http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-February/thread.html#97249 > > > > > > > your point? > > > > The sequence of events, troubleshooting, suggestions, and > > results of the last time "one" person had issues including the > > 201 error. I take it that reading the thread was too much effort? > > Did that magically resolve itself. I looked at the thread and didn't notice > if someone had come up with a specific answer to the problem. All to common scenario .. there was conjecturement that JT was blocking some IPs in response to a troll (though that doesn't seem likely) .... then there was the 'relayed message' of Indigo 'remembering' that over 30 security updates had been applied just before the problem .... thread went off-track a bit, then died out. Yes, it would have been nice if Indigo had filled in the blanks as to what the actual problem was. I searched for the data as I knew that it had come up once before and that it wasn't a very long thread. No, I didn't read through it all again, simply posted the 'quick' response that some data existed Sounds like a "ping Indigo" action would be the follow-up on this one. From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Wed Aug 17 11:45:46 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Wed Aug 17 13:50:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. > He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his > neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and > SC. > Any ideas? Just in case the obvious has been overlooked, is Borg using something like NewsProxy and it's not working for one reason or another? -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Wed Aug 17 19:06:08 2005 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Wed Aug 17 14:10:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: Brian wrote in news:ddvt49$lfs$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Just in case the obvious has been overlooked, is Borg using something > like NewsProxy and it's not working for one reason or another? He can access other newsgroups on other servers, juct not SC's From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 17 13:52:22 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 17 15:55:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > All to common scenario .. there was conjecturement that JT was > blocking some IPs in response to a troll (though that doesn't > seem likely) While it doesn't seem likely, it also seems more likely than not that the SC newsserver giving 201s to someone while giving 200s to most/all other ones is due to a news server configuration status rather than anything going on or condition on the user/agent/provider end which is receiving the 201. So, if one surmises that the 201 arises from the configuration of the newsserver toward 'something' like an IP, which is the only thing the newsserver sees at the time of connection -- it might be further surmised that the newsserver is configured to give a 201 to some IP/s and a 200 to the rest. Or... Borg is crazy. He didn't get a 201 with his telnet to news.spamcop.net. He was having a little hallucination from spending too much time in the sun in a helmet. Besides, helmet almost rhymes with telnet, so there must be some relationship. Offhand I can't think of any other scenarios. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 16:51:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 17 16:00:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] SC Maint Window -- Date change Message-ID: SpamCop Maintenance Window: ** Please note change of date ** The SC reporting system will be down Tuesday August 23, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a period of 6-8 hours. No mail/spam will be lost; it will be queued until maintenance is completed. You may notice some delays as we process the queued mail when the system comes back up. This maintenance window does NOT affect the SpamCop email system. Thanks. Ellen SpamCop From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 17 14:44:20 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 17 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > WazoO wrote: >> there was conjecturement that JT was >> blocking some IPs in response to a troll (though that doesn't >> seem likely) > it might be further > surmised that the newsserver is configured to give a 201 to some IP/s > and a 200 to the rest. > > Or... > > Borg is crazy. As an additional observation, Borg's IP's rDNS is x-x-x-x-x.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net GregR's IP's rDNS is x-x-x-x-x.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Wed Aug 17 14:52:37 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Wed Aug 17 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > Brian wrote in news:ddvt49$lfs$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >>Just in case the obvious has been overlooked, is Borg using something >>like NewsProxy and it's not working for one reason or another? > > > He can access other newsgroups on other servers, juct not SC's SC's newsgroups are the only one that I use NewsProxy for. If it's not running, I can get all the rest but not SC's. -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 17 15:08:13 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 17 17:10:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: Brian wrote: > SC's newsgroups are the only one that I use NewsProxy for. If it's not > running, I can get all the rest but not SC's. That is true for me as well, I only use it/NewsProxy for SC and if it/NP isn't running, my newsagent won't get SC because of the way the SC news account is configured in my OE newsagent. I would have to change configurations in OE to get SC without NP.. However, that 'situation' wouldn't explain him getting a 201 with the telnet. If that were true, an observation which it would seem unlikely to be misinterpreted, then the newsserver is/mustbe configured to give 'something' such as his IP or rDNS a 201 instead of a 200. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com Fri Aug 19 21:42:20 2005 From: h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com (Anon_) Date: Fri Aug 19 23:45:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? References: Message-ID: "John Richards" wrote in message news:ddu9q8$krh$1@news.spamcop.net... > JohnL wrote: > > Borg asked me to post to see if anyone here uses SBC on the West Coast. > > He can't connect to the SC NGs from his connection. He can using his > > neighbor's provider from his comp, so it looks like it's between SBC and > > SC. > > Any ideas? > > Yes, I use DSL from SBC west coast (formerly PacBell). > No problem with SC newsgroups here. > > -- > John Richards > > **** Ditto (DSL/SBC) from 50 miles north of SF - no problem with newsgroups or reporting. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** > From forrie at Noforriesp.amcom Sun Aug 21 02:50:49 2005 From: forrie at Noforriesp.amcom (Forrest Aldrich) Date: Sun Aug 21 01:55:18 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Reporting Spam via Cyrus Message-ID: I just switched to Cyrus IMAP - and it didn't occur to me that my reporting habits (to Spamcop) would need to change, due to the structure of how the mail is stored. (I had mutt macros). I wonder whom else is using Cyrus here and how they may streamline their reporting to their Spamcop Submit address. Thanks. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Aug 21 04:19:57 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Aug 21 06:20:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Reporting Spam via Cyrus References: Message-ID: Forrest Aldrich wrote: > I just switched to Cyrus IMAP - and it didn't occur to me that my > reporting habits (to Spamcop) would need to change, due to the > structure of how the mail is stored. (I had mutt macros). I'm not clear on what you are asking. Cyrus is mail /server/ software which can be used with lots of different email clients. Here is an IU page instructing people how to use their clients with Cyrus http://kb.iu.edu/data/alyn.html Reading your Cyrus mail using a desktop client Apparently you were using mutt with something other than Cyrus. Since you are using the past tense 'had mutt macros' -- it implies that you are planning to be using something other than mutt now. Cyrus is not a mail client. What client will you be using with Cyrus? That client is what will be used to submit your spams. > I wonder whom else is using Cyrus here and how they may streamline > their reporting to their Spamcop Submit address. Here's a discussion of using mutt with cyrus IMAP http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/ 1. Getting started 1.1. How to write an IMAP mailbox in mutt -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From djwenz at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 10:43:43 2005 From: djwenz at comcast.net (Dan Wenz) Date: Sun Aug 21 09:45:16 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Subscription Expiration Date and Contact ? Message-ID: I'd like to contact someone at SpamCop to find out when my subscription expires. Is there an email address I can use to contact SpamCop directly (I don't see one on their site)? I'd also like to know of what value the reporting time is to me, and, finally, I only use the program to report spam, and see I have an ever decreasing amount of space available. What is being saved in that space? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Aug 21 10:37:43 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:40:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Subscription Expiration Date and Contact ? References: Message-ID: "Dan Wenz" wrote in message news:dea0e7$nrq$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'd like to contact someone at SpamCop to find out when my subscription > expires. If you talking about a SpamCop filtered e-mail account; http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2971&view=findpost&p=19515 > and, finally, I only use the program to report > spam, and see I have an ever decreasing amount of space available. What > is being saved in that space? This makes it sound like you are alking about a Report Only account, with the "space" actually being the "fuel" for that account, being used up by the amount of spam reported. If this is the case, there is no 'expiration' beyond using up all your 'fuel' .... http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/128.html >Is there an email address I can use to contact SpamCop directly > (I don't see one on their site)? I'd also like to know of what value the > reporting time is to me, As the Help icon/link apparently didn't show up as the magic button, http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 From djwenz at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 11:48:03 2005 From: djwenz at comcast.net (Dan Wenz) Date: Sun Aug 21 10:50:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Subscription Expiration Date and Contact ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > > If you talking about a SpamCop filtered e-mail account; > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2971&view=findpost&p=19515 > I don't use the account for email. > This makes it sound like you are alking about a Report Only account, > with the "space" actually being the "fuel" for that account, being used > up by the amount of spam reported. If this is the case, there is no > 'expiration' beyond using up all your 'fuel' .... > http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/128.html > Thanks! > As the Help icon/link apparently didn't show up as the magic button, > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 > > Thanks again! From forrie at Noforriesp.amcom Sun Aug 21 17:47:02 2005 From: forrie at Noforriesp.amcom (Forrest Aldrich) Date: Sun Aug 21 16:50:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Reporting Spam via Cyrus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4308E846.6020103@Noforriesp.amcom> Sorry, I should have been more specific. I have had setup a series of scripts that handled reporting of spam via different macros - for Spamcop, the reports are sent as MIME attachments. Now that I have a different folder format, I need to come up with a better way to streamline this. It's a good opportunity to combine some of the other mechanisms that I'd been doing separately, like Razor2 reporting, et al. The format of a Cyrus file is not exactly mbox - and I believe sa-learn had a problem with it (I'm using the latest SpamAssassin). So I figured I'd ask here to get some ideas before going completely blind ;-) Thanks. Mike Easter wrote: > Forrest Aldrich wrote: > >>I just switched to Cyrus IMAP - and it didn't occur to me that my >>reporting habits (to Spamcop) would need to change, due to the >>structure of how the mail is stored. (I had mutt macros). > > > I'm not clear on what you are asking. > > Cyrus is mail /server/ software which can be used with lots of different > email clients. Here is an IU page instructing people how to use their > clients with Cyrus http://kb.iu.edu/data/alyn.html Reading your Cyrus > mail using a desktop client > > Apparently you were using mutt with something other than Cyrus. Since > you are using the past tense 'had mutt macros' -- it implies that you > are planning to be using something other than mutt now. Cyrus is not a > mail client. What client will you be using with Cyrus? > > That client is what will be used to submit your spams. > > >>I wonder whom else is using Cyrus here and how they may streamline >>their reporting to their Spamcop Submit address. > > > Here's a discussion of using mutt with cyrus IMAP > http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/ > 1. Getting started > 1.1. How to write an IMAP mailbox in mutt > > From forrie at Noforriesp.amcom Sun Aug 21 17:47:22 2005 From: forrie at Noforriesp.amcom (Forrest Aldrich) Date: Sun Aug 21 16:50:10 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Reporting Spam via Cyrus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I should have been more specific. I have had setup a series of scripts that handled reporting of spam via different macros - for Spamcop, the reports are sent as MIME attachments. Now that I have a different folder format, I need to come up with a better way to streamline this. It's a good opportunity to combine some of the other mechanisms that I'd been doing separately, like Razor2 reporting, et al. The format of a Cyrus file is not exactly mbox - and I believe sa-learn had a problem with it (I'm using the latest SpamAssassin). So I figured I'd ask here to get some ideas before going completely blind ;-) Thanks. Mike Easter wrote: > Forrest Aldrich wrote: > >>I just switched to Cyrus IMAP - and it didn't occur to me that my >>reporting habits (to Spamcop) would need to change, due to the >>structure of how the mail is stored. (I had mutt macros). > > > I'm not clear on what you are asking. > > Cyrus is mail /server/ software which can be used with lots of different > email clients. Here is an IU page instructing people how to use their > clients with Cyrus http://kb.iu.edu/data/alyn.html Reading your Cyrus > mail using a desktop client > > Apparently you were using mutt with something other than Cyrus. Since > you are using the past tense 'had mutt macros' -- it implies that you > are planning to be using something other than mutt now. Cyrus is not a > mail client. What client will you be using with Cyrus? > > That client is what will be used to submit your spams. > > >>I wonder whom else is using Cyrus here and how they may streamline >>their reporting to their Spamcop Submit address. > > > Here's a discussion of using mutt with cyrus IMAP > http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/ > 1. Getting started > 1.1. How to write an IMAP mailbox in mutt > > From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Aug 21 15:29:32 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Aug 21 17:30:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Reporting Spam via Cyrus References: <4308E846.6020103@Noforriesp.amcom> Message-ID: Reconstructed into a trimmed and conversational format to facilitate clarity, accuracy, and context. Forrest Aldrich wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Forrest Aldrich wrote: >> >>> I just switched to Cyrus IMAP - and it didn't occur to me that my >>> reporting habits (to Spamcop) would need to change, due to the >>> structure of how the mail is stored. (I had mutt macros). >> >> I'm not clear on what you are asking. >> >> Cyrus is mail /server/ software which can be used with lots of >> different email clients. >> Apparently you were using mutt with something other than Cyrus. >> Cyrus is not a mail client. What client will you be using with >> Cyrus? >> >> That client is what will be used to submit your spams. >>> I wonder whom else is using Cyrus here I'm not using cyrus, but with my mua, I would be using /exactly/ the same submit sequence whether I were IMAP or POP3. I would just handle my folders slightly differently. > I have had setup a series of scripts that handled reporting of spam > via different macros - for Spamcop, the reports are sent as MIME > attachments. Correct and of course. As are mine, as I forward as attachment. The SC instructions for spam submission via mutt are here http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/201.html -- Mutt has a mime_forward setting --- it's a good idea to create a macro for forwarding spam to SpamCop -- Your 'problem' as I understand it, isn't in how to submit your spams, but in how to handle your mutt folders for IMAP, which is discussed in the link I posted before that you top posted over Mike Easter wrote: > Here's a discussion of using mutt with cyrus IMAP > http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/ > 1. Getting started > 1.1. How to write an IMAP mailbox in mutt > Now that I have a different folder format, I need to come up with a > better way to streamline this. I'm still not clear on what you are saying. You are talking about streamlining. I guess I'm asking you if you can get your mail into a mutt imap folder so that you can forward it as an attachment. That isn't streamlining. That is fundamental. If you can't 'get' your spam or your email, then you can't forward it as an attachment. Do you currently have an operational imap mailbox in mutt as described above -- or not? Nevermind 'streamlining'. maibox - yes or no? > It's a good opportunity to combine > some of the other mechanisms that I'd been doing separately, like > Razor2 reporting, et al. Before combining -- Do you have a mailbox? I'm still not crystal clear on the following -- You are still using mutt - check Yes or No. You have an IMAP mailbox in mutt - check Yes or No. > The format of a Cyrus file is not exactly mbox - and I believe > sa-learn had a problem with it (I'm using the latest SpamAssassin). You can receive a mail in mutt from cyrus - check Yes or No. > So I figured I'd ask here to get some ideas before going completely > blind ;-) I understand about asking here - and I also understand I'm not mutt and don't use cyrus -- but we still aren't clear, and we are going to have a hard time getting clear if you don't trim everything out of your reply which you aren't responding to and put your response to any words which I've typed right under those words so that they will be in context. Whenever there's confusion going on in a conversation, the trimming and contextualizing is imperative. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 23 12:20:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Aug 23 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Reminder - maintenance window Message-ID: *****Reminder:****** The system will be going into maintenance mode some time after 10AM PDT -0700 for a period that we expect to last for 6-8 hours. The reporting system website will show a maintenance message. The system will not be parsing spam while in maintenance mode so any spam that you submit via mail or "report as spam" will be queued for later processing. It will then take the servers some time to work thru that backlog so expect slower responses to spam submission for some number of hours after the system comes back up. Mail to deputies and to other role addresses will be queued while the system is down and answered after it comes back up; this will put us behind in responding to mail but it will all get answered as we plow thru it. The SpamCop *email system* will not be affected by this maintenance window. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 06:11:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 05:30:22 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: still down for maintenance? References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:deh1ns$21c$2@news.spamcop.net... > The 6-8 hour downtime for maintenance seems to be taking a mite > longer than planned. Or am I seeing some web cache shenanigans? > > (22:48 PDT) > The maintenance encountered some problems which unfortunately persist. The systems folks are working the problems as fast as they can. As is not uncommon with major upgrades, the things one worries about intensely before the event all went perfectly and the things that were supposed to be slam dunks didn't necessarily happen as expected. As always - thanks for your patience and when I know something I'll let you know. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 07:52:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 06:55:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: still down for maintenance? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndgoisr.u8u.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:11:08 -0400, Ellen coughed into spamcop and left > this in : > > > The maintenance encountered some problems which unfortunately persist. The > > systems folks are working the problems as fast as they can. > > It appears to be back up again as of now - 10:27 GMT. > The system is up -- if you see anything weird let me know. You may see some slowness due to grinding thru the mail backlog. Ellen From julian at mehnle.net Wed Aug 24 16:32:40 2005 From: julian at mehnle.net (Julian Mehnle) Date: Wed Aug 24 09:35:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] "SpamCop has accepted x emails for processing" messages failing SPF check Message-ID: Hi. For a few hours, the "SpamCop has accepted n emails for processing" notification messages have been failing SPF checks. The SpamCop website says: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bounce Error: Your email address, julian@mehnle.net has returned a bounce: Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) Reason: 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'SPF: Please see http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spamid.799296702%40bounces.spamcop.net&ip=204.15.82.27&receiver=io.link-m.de ' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The SPF explanation page says: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- io.link-m.de saw a message coming from the IP address 204.15.82.27 which is vmx1.spamcop.net; the sender claimed to be spamid.799356596@bounces.spamcop.net. However, bounces.spamcop.net has announced using SPF that it does not send mail out through 204.15.82.27. That is why the mail was rejected. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The SPF record of bounces.spamcop.net is: v=spf1 ip4:64.74.133.224/27 -all Obviously this doesn't authorize the server that is actually sending the notification messages (204.15.82.27 AKA vmx1.spamcop.net). SpamCop, please fix your SPF record(s). Yours, Julian Mehnle. From jeffg at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 11:06:32 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Wed Aug 24 10:10:10 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] SpamCop Maintenance Update Message-ID: The SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service was down Tuesday August 23, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a longer period than expected. It is up, but with residual impact to the Mailhost Configuration Feature and an ongoing email backlog. We will continue to post updates to http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4743 as the situation develops. Thank you for your patience. -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please reply via Forum, Group, or List only. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 11:25:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 10:30:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Official system status posts Message-ID: Please note that *official system status information* can be found on the SpamCop reporting site and/or is posted to the newsgroups by SpamCop employees only. Any other posts may or may not reflect the current status of the system and may or may not be out of date or incorrect. The system is up and operational. There are no backlogged mail queues at this time. We continue to chase down small issues as they arise. If you see any operational problems that appear to be a result of the maintenance please post them here. We do have an issue with mailhost probes being accepted at this moment however existing mailhosts are working fine. The only impact of this problem is that people who are trying to set up new mailhosts will not be able to do so at this time. Thanks Ellen SpamCop From jeffg at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 12:05:18 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Wed Aug 24 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: SpamCop Maintenance Update References: Message-ID: Jeff G. wrote: > The SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service was down Tuesday August 23, > 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a longer period than > expected. It is up, but with residual impact to the Mailhost > Configuration Feature I'm sorry if my statement above was misinterpreted. To be clear, the only impact is on creation/addition of new Mailhosts. > and an ongoing email backlog. I'm sorry that I posted that in error. It was what I believed at the time based on the last official post from a SpamCop employee. I am not a SpamCop employee. > We will continue to post updates to > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4743 as the > situation develops. > > Thank you for your patience. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please reply via Forum, Group, or List only. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 13:51:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: "SpamCop has accepted x emails for processing" messages failing SPF check References: Message-ID: "Julian Mehnle" wrote in message news:dehstm$h38$1@news.spamcop.net... > Hi. > > For a few hours, the "SpamCop has accepted n emails for processing" > notification messages have been failing SPF checks. The SpamCop website says: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bounce Error: > Your email address, julian@mehnle.net has returned a bounce: > Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) > Reason: 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'SPF: Please see > http://spf.pobox.com/why.html?sender=spamid.799296702%40bounces.spamcop.net&ip=204.15.82.27&receiver=io.link-m.de > ' > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The SPF explanation page says: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > io.link-m.de saw a message coming from the IP address 204.15.82.27 which > is vmx1.spamcop.net; the sender claimed to be > spamid.799356596@bounces.spamcop.net. > > However, bounces.spamcop.net has announced using SPF that it does not send > mail out through 204.15.82.27. That is why the mail was rejected. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. We have opened a bug report. Ellen SpamCop From julian at mehnle.net Thu Aug 25 01:38:26 2005 From: julian at mehnle.net (Julian Mehnle) Date: Wed Aug 24 18:40:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: "SpamCop has accepted x emails for processing" messages failing SPF check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Julian Mehnle wrote: > For a few hours, the "SpamCop has accepted n emails for processing" > notification messages have been failing SPF checks. As Don pointed out to me, the SPF records have been fixed, so the problem is resolved. Thanks! From rickn7hj at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 09:06:26 2005 From: rickn7hj at gmail.com (R. Scott) Date: Sat Aug 27 11:10:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Spamcop not recognizing Links Message-ID: Mortage spammer using somthing that confuses Spamcop. Links work and ARIN finds them but spamcop barfs Resolving link obfuscation http://www.lakdj9.info host www.lakdj9.info (checking ip) ip not found ; www.lakdj9.info discarded as fake. http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 host www.lakdj9.info (checking ip) ip not found ; www.lakdj9.info discarded as fake. Tracking link: http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 [report history] Cannot resolve http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 Tracking link: http://www.lakdj9.info [report history] Cannot resolve http://www.lakdj9.info From JG at coks.net Sat Aug 27 11:06:29 2005 From: JG at coks.net (JG) Date: Sat Aug 27 13:05:08 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Spamcop not recognizing Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/27/2005 8:06 AM R. Scott scribbled: > Mortage spammer using somthing that confuses Spamcop. Links work and > ARIN finds them but spamcop barfs > > Resolving link obfuscation > http://www.lakdj9.info > host www.lakdj9.info (checking ip) ip not found ; www.lakdj9.info > discarded as fake. > http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 > host www.lakdj9.info (checking ip) ip not found ; www.lakdj9.info > discarded as fake. > Tracking link: http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 > [report history] > Cannot resolve http://www.lakdj9.info/i/lzmvaw5kzxgvyxjul2dqejnzaji5dhd1 > Tracking link: http://www.lakdj9.info > [report history] > Cannot resolve http://www.lakdj9.info I can't find http://www.lakdj9.info via Sam Spade or several other utilities. Maybe its down already, and not up when SC checked - I've heard that happens and have experienced it myself... From rickn7hj at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 11:22:10 2005 From: rickn7hj at gmail.com (R. Scott) Date: Sat Aug 27 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Spamcop not recognizing Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I can't find http://www.lakdj9.info via Sam Spade or several other > utilities. Maybe its down already, and not up when SC checked - I've > heard that happens and have experienced it myself... Ok its down now, but this is the same Mortgage spammer over and over. His links all have wierdness in them and spamcop never resolves them. From JG at coks.net Sat Aug 27 13:05:18 2005 From: JG at coks.net (JG) Date: Sat Aug 27 15:05:11 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Spamcop not recognizing Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/27/2005 10:22 AM R. Scott scribbled: >>I can't find http://www.lakdj9.info via Sam Spade or several other >>utilities. Maybe its down already, and not up when SC checked - I've >>heard that happens and have experienced it myself... > > > Ok its down now, but this is the same Mortgage spammer over and over. > His links all have wierdness in them and spamcop never resolves them. Sounds like you got the mortg. guy this week - I've got the meds guys myself - this a.m., 16 out of 19 meds crapola, 3 rolex, no mortg.... From rickn7hj at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 14:44:23 2005 From: rickn7hj at gmail.com (R. Scott) Date: Sat Aug 27 16:45:09 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Spamcop not recognizing Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JG wrote: > On 8/27/2005 10:22 AM R. Scott scribbled: > > >>>I can't find http://www.lakdj9.info via Sam Spade or several other >>>utilities. Maybe its down already, and not up when SC checked - I've >>>heard that happens and have experienced it myself... >> >> >>Ok its down now, but this is the same Mortgage spammer over and over. >>His links all have wierdness in them and spamcop never resolves them. > > Sounds like you got the mortg. guy this week - I've got the meds guys > myself - this a.m., 16 out of 19 meds crapola, 3 rolex, > no mortg.... No Im getting a mixed bag. But out of the 16 or so this morning 13-14 were from Wannado.fr From JG at coks.net Sat Aug 27 16:45:34 2005 From: JG at coks.net (JG) Date: Sat Aug 27 18:45:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Spamcop not recognizing Links In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/27/2005 1:44 PM R. Scott scribbled: > JG wrote: > >>On 8/27/2005 10:22 AM R. Scott scribbled: >> >> >> >>>>I can't find http://www.lakdj9.info via Sam Spade or several other >>>>utilities. Maybe its down already, and not up when SC checked - I've >>>>heard that happens and have experienced it myself... >>> >>> >>>Ok its down now, but this is the same Mortgage spammer over and over. >>>His links all have wierdness in them and spamcop never resolves them. >> >>Sounds like you got the mortg. guy this week - I've got the meds guys >>myself - this a.m., 16 out of 19 meds crapola, 3 rolex, >>no mortg.... > > > No Im getting a mixed bag. But out of the 16 or so this morning > 13-14 were from Wannado.fr Ah, mine were /all/ from the exactly the other side of the world. Not as bad as wannado.es, are they or are they? From rwcs at spamcop.net Sun Aug 28 18:05:56 2005 From: rwcs at spamcop.net (BMW) Date: Sun Aug 28 17:10:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] No source IP address found, cannot proceed. Message-ID: What is up with SC? I haven't been able to submit a SPAM that "got through" for a long time. I always get "No source IP address found, cannot proceed." Sample = http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z800666612z042f3048b472e29617f368eb722ae809z I'd appreciate any help you could offer. . . Bob From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Aug 28 17:47:03 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Aug 28 17:50:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: "BMW" wrote in message news:det8vj$bbf$1@news.spamcop.net... > What is up with SC? I haven't been able to submit a SPAM that "got > through" for a long time. I always get > > "No source IP address found, cannot proceed." > > Sample = > http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z800666612z042f3048b472e29617f368eb722ae809z > > I'd appreciate any help you could offer. . . Based on failure at "line 0" ... you might want to start with reading the Pinned items found in the MailHost Forum section at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=7 It would appear that your MailHost configuration is not complete. From rwcs at spamcop.net Sun Aug 28 19:03:46 2005 From: rwcs at spamcop.net (BMW) Date: Sun Aug 28 18:05:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > "BMW" wrote in message > news:det8vj$bbf$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>What is up with SC? I haven't been able to submit a SPAM that "got >>through" for a long time. I always get >> >>"No source IP address found, cannot proceed." >> >>Sample = >>http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z800666612z042f3048b472e29617f368eb722ae809z >> >>I'd appreciate any help you could offer. . . > > > Based on failure at "line 0" ... you might want to start with > reading the Pinned items found in the MailHost Forum > section at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=7 > It would appear that your MailHost configuration is not > complete. > > I admit my brain is half the size it should be. . . My understanding is that this mailhost registration is used so that SC A) won't send complaints to my hosts, and B) can stop parsing headers at the point were the mail enters "my system". I have configured my hosts as best I know how. There are some things about the registration I don't understand, but that not withstanding, my provider as is with many has multiple servers that receive email which in this case is blazecast1.rdns.net. I simply don't know how to add that to the list using URL http://www.spamcop.net/mcgi?action=mhedit, because when I submit my email address a different server name comes up. . . Why is this soooooo hard? Bob From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Aug 28 19:48:43 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Aug 28 19:50:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: "BMW" wrote in message news:detcc1$dc6$1@news.spamcop.net... > WazoO wrote: > > > > Based on failure at "line 0" ... you might want to start with > > reading the Pinned items found in the MailHost Forum > > section at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=7 > > It would appear that your MailHost configuration is not > > complete. > > > I admit my brain is half the size it should be. . . My understanding is > that this mailhost registration is used so that SC A) won't send > complaints to my hosts, and B) can stop parsing headers at the point > were the mail enters "my system". I have configured my hosts as best I > know how. There are some things about the registration I don't > understand, but that not withstanding, my provider as is with many has > multiple servers that receive email which in this case is > blazecast1.rdns.net. I simply don't know how to add that to the list > using URL http://www.spamcop.net/mcgi?action=mhedit, because when I > submit my email address a different server name comes up. . . Why is > this soooooo hard? Guess it's because you didn't try following the last "suggestion" ...??? For example, did you even look at one of those Pinned items from Ellen; Pinned: Mailhost Issues - please read before posting Please Read BEFORE Posting http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1081 Pinned: Mailhost Update New Confirmation Procedure http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1096 Both contain the same reference data for problems that seem to be outside the 'norm' ..... Bottom line ... there are but a few folks with the required access to deal with problems with the MailHost configuration of a reporting account. Julian asked that MailHost stuff be handled in the Forum. I finally convinced JT that it needed its own Forum section as the original single Topic was getting too massive. Ellen has been the most visible of the Deputies in the support role on the MailHost issues. From rwcs at spamcop.net Mon Aug 29 07:11:39 2005 From: rwcs at spamcop.net (BMW) Date: Mon Aug 29 06:15:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WazoO wrote: > "BMW" wrote in message > news:detcc1$dc6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>WazoO wrote: >> >>>Based on failure at "line 0" ... you might want to start with >>>reading the Pinned items found in the MailHost Forum >>>section at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=7 >>>It would appear that your MailHost configuration is not >>>complete. >>> >> >>I admit my brain is half the size it should be. . . My understanding is >>that this mailhost registration is used so that SC A) won't send >>complaints to my hosts, and B) can stop parsing headers at the point >>were the mail enters "my system". I have configured my hosts as best I >>know how. There are some things about the registration I don't >>understand, but that not withstanding, my provider as is with many has >>multiple servers that receive email which in this case is >>blazecast1.rdns.net. I simply don't know how to add that to the list >>using URL http://www.spamcop.net/mcgi?action=mhedit, because when I >>submit my email address a different server name comes up. . . Why is >>this soooooo hard? > > > Guess it's because you didn't try following the last "suggestion" ...??? > For example, did you even look at one of those Pinned items from Ellen; > > Pinned: Mailhost Issues - please read before posting > Please Read BEFORE Posting > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1081 > > Pinned: Mailhost Update > New Confirmation Procedure > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1096 > > Both contain the same reference data for problems that seem to > be outside the 'norm' ..... > > Bottom line ... there are but a few folks with the required access > to deal with problems with the MailHost configuration of a reporting > account. Julian asked that MailHost stuff be handled in the Forum. > I finally convinced JT that it needed its own Forum section as the > original single Topic was getting too massive. Ellen has been the most > visible of the Deputies in the support role on the MailHost issues. > > Thanks for your help. It turns out that my provider has re-named all their mail servers a couple of months back. It's not your fault, and I had no way to know (mail server re-names are not a general public announcement item for most providers). I just wish that magically there was some less frustrating way. . . From h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com Mon Aug 29 12:47:14 2005 From: h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com (Anon_) Date: Mon Aug 29 14:50:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: Top posted on purpose! *I* clicked on the tracking URL and it DID parse correctly with addresses (with check boxes) for reporting this spam! Why did it parse correctly for me (now) and failed for the OP? -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** "BMW" wrote in message news:det8vj$bbf$1@news.spamcop.net... > What is up with SC? I haven't been able to submit a SPAM that "got > through" for a long time. I always get > > "No source IP address found, cannot proceed." > > Sample = > http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z800666612z042f3048b472e29617f368eb722ae809z > > I'd appreciate any help you could offer. . . > > Bob From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Aug 29 19:19:28 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Mon Aug 29 19:20:02 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: "Anon_" wrote in message news:devl50$mct$1@news.spamcop.net... > Top posted on purpose! > > *I* clicked on the tracking URL and it DID parse correctly with addresses > (with check boxes) for reporting this spam! > > Why did it parse correctly for me (now) and failed for the OP? Check poster's other thread in the spamcop newsgroup. From jkcleveland at ureach.com Mon Aug 29 21:05:14 2005 From: jkcleveland at ureach.com (Tek The Wizard) Date: Mon Aug 29 21:40:46 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Tek The Wizard: new rapper on the scene Message-ID: <16737550.1344e6d1398b@10.1.1.12> click link below to check him out band page: http://www.soundclick.com/tekthewizard ---------------------------------------------------------- This is an opt-in list from SoundClick, the #1 artist music community. To unsubscribe from this list please click the link: http://www.soundclick.com/preview/noMail.cfm?id=395378&mid=2715747 From JG at coks.net Mon Aug 29 22:38:29 2005 From: JG at coks.net (JG) Date: Tue Aug 30 00:40:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: Tek The Wizard: new rapper on the scene In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/29/2005 5:05 PM Tek The Wizard scribbled: > click link below to check him out > > band page: http://www.soundclick.com/tekthewizard > ---------------------------------------------------------- > This is an opt-in list from SoundClick, the #1 artist music community. > To unsubscribe from this list please click the link: > http://www.soundclick.com/preview/noMail.cfm?id=395378&mid=2715747 > just unsub me now, thanks... From h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com Wed Aug 31 15:40:23 2005 From: h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com (Anon_) Date: Wed Aug 31 17:40:03 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:df0561$ved$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Anon_" wrote in message > news:devl50$mct$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Top posted on purpose! > > > > *I* clicked on the tracking URL and it DID parse correctly with addresses > > (with check boxes) for reporting this spam! > > > > Why did it parse correctly for me (now) and failed for the OP? > > Check poster's other thread in the spamcop newsgroup. > > **** I had checked and did again check and NONE mentioned that anyone had reparsed the link successfully - with the option of sending a report to specific abuse desks! -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 31 18:07:53 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Aug 31 18:10:04 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: "Anon_" wrote in message news:df581r$4nk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:df0561$ved$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Anon_" wrote in message > > news:devl50$mct$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Top posted on purpose! > > > > > > *I* clicked on the tracking URL and it DID parse correctly with > > > addresses (with check boxes) for reporting this spam! > > > > > > Why did it parse correctly for me (now) and failed for the OP? > > > > Check poster's other thread in the spamcop newsgroup. > **** > I had checked and did again check and NONE mentioned that anyone had > reparsed the link successfully - with the option of sending a report to > specific abuse desks! In the spamcop newsgroup thread; Ellen: The parse looks fine to me and you mailhosts look OK. Are you seeing something different? Did Don make some changes for you in the mailhosts? Wazoo: Somebody did something, as both the example here and the one offered over in spamcop.help are now parsing with results. BMW: Yes, I made the changes. . . Mailhost setting for "theplanet" have changed, much to my surprise. Things seem to be working. Thanks for your help! From h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com Wed Aug 31 18:02:37 2005 From: h9vzc2i02 at sneakemail.com (Anon_) Date: Wed Aug 31 20:05:05 2005 Subject: [SC-Help] Re: No source IP address found, cannot proceed. References: Message-ID: Top posted on purpose. OK, I did not look at the forums. Thanks (It DID seem odd that no-one had commented on the OK parse.) -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** "WazoO" wrote in message news:df59np$61i$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Anon_" wrote in message > news:df581r$4nk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "WazoO" wrote in message > > news:df0561$ved$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Anon_" wrote in message > > > news:devl50$mct$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Top posted on purpose! > > > > > > > > *I* clicked on the tracking URL and it DID parse correctly with > > > > addresses (with check boxes) for reporting this spam! > > > > > > > > Why did it parse correctly for me (now) and failed for the OP? > > > > > > Check poster's other thread in the spamcop newsgroup. > > **** > > I had checked and did again check and NONE mentioned that anyone had > > reparsed the link successfully - with the option of sending a report to > > specific abuse desks! > > In the spamcop newsgroup thread; > > Ellen: The parse looks fine to me and you mailhosts > look OK. Are you seeing something different? > Did Don make some changes for you in the mailhosts? > > Wazoo: Somebody did something, as both the example > here and the one offered over in spamcop.help are > now parsing with results. > > BMW: Yes, I made the changes. . . Mailhost setting > for "theplanet" have changed, much to my surprise. > Things seem to be working. Thanks for your help! > >