From bert at iphouse.com Mon May 1 00:34:08 2006 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:48:40 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: In news:e33bsq$2ma$1@news.spamcop.net "anon" wrote: > Now I read that PM Pro if good for hdds up to 8 GB (way too small.) > > Is there something that will do the same thing that PM did but on a much > larger hdd? Current version of Partition Magic claims to work on partitions of up to 300GB. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From not at home.today Mon May 1 02:24:40 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:48:53 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > > "Ant" wrote: >> You could try a decent DOS emulator. DOSBox was designed to run old >> games, but it may be suitable for your apps. >> >> http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/ > > I downloaded this (and the Browser-Appliance) - I am not sure what to do > next in order to run the DOS programs. Presumably you need to install it first. Read the FAQ link. > How do I browse to MY files/programs on the hard disk and launch a program? Forget about the Windows way of doing things. > Does dosbox include DOS automatically? It emulates MS-DOS. You can run your programs from its "DOS-like command prompt" just as you would from a normal DOS prompt. Note that I haven't used DOSBox myself, but others say it works well. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:09:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > I have tried to run a couple of DOS programs on a wXP computer. > > I get an error message (similar to) "ERROR CM AT IP FFFDH" > > I think the hex addresses may be different. > > Why did this run ok on w98se but fails in wxp? > > Any cure for this as I need the data and output which is stored and > produced by the programs. > > These programs don't have a windows version, only the DOS version. > > In addition, there are no web pages for these programs (mostly the > programmers and companies are long gone.) > > Also is there any way to install DOS and have it run those DOS > programs??? I had the same problems with some Lahey fortran programs I wrote back in the 90's. Worked on all M$ platforms until we went to XP. Have you looked into using Microsoft Virtual PC? That worked, IIRC, but it was too difficult to make the software portable so we ended up re-writing the code in C++ (thank $diety I had retained the source code, being a packrat actually has it's advantages some times!). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 1 11:16:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 1 10:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > > How do I browse to MY files/programs on the hard disk and launch a > program? > Download the utility "DosShell" from that website, it's a old DOS style Windows Explorer type utility, works great. From not at home.today Mon May 1 17:21:16 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Mon May 1 11:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > Sorry - I forgot to mention that I installed both the dosbox and the browser > per the instructions. I've just downloaded and installed DOSBox v0.65. I didn't notice any browser. > I get a window-like screen with the menubar but nothing in the menus allows > me to access MY files, the only things listed look like something in the > doxbox operating system - nothing in the root directory of my hdd (the list > of MY folders.) If you run DOSBox, it gives you a DOS-like-prompt (shell). You should see the prompt "Z:\>". Before you can run your progs, you need to mount the directory where they live as a drive letter within DOSBox. So if your old program files are in c:\myoldprogs, and you want to use "c" as a drive letter, you would type: mount c c:\myoldprogs\ or if the path contains spaces, use quotes. e.g: mount c "c:\program files\myoldprogs\" Then type "c:" (without the quotes) to change to that virtual drive, and run the program as you normally would by typing its name. If "myoldprogs" is a top-level directory, and your program executable file is in a subdirectory of that, then "cd" to the subdirectory and run the executable from there. Your old program may require other configuration settings like a path or environment variables. I suggest you RTFM for DOSBox and the program you're trying to run if it doesn't work first time. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Mon May 1 15:06:38 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Mon May 1 17:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e35585$3ff$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > anon wrote: >> >> How do I browse to MY files/programs on the hard disk and launch a >> program? >> > > Download the utility "DosShell" from that website, it's a old DOS style > Windows Explorer type utility, works great. > > Thanks - that is the best of both worlds. On my DOS computer, I used a menu program that allowed me to type in a letter (equivalent to clicking the mouse on the title) and the menu program executed the command lines to launch the program. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Mon May 1 17:28:57 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Mon May 1 19:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e354pu$38h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > anon wrote: >> I have tried to run a couple of DOS programs on a wXP computer. >> >> I get an error message (similar to) "ERROR CM AT IP FFFDH" >> >> I think the hex addresses may be different. >> >> Why did this run ok on w98se but fails in wxp? >> >> Any cure for this as I need the data and output which is stored and >> produced by the programs. >> >> These programs don't have a windows version, only the DOS version. >> >> In addition, there are no web pages for these programs (mostly the >> programmers and companies are long gone.) >> >> Also is there any way to install DOS and have it run those DOS >> programs??? > > I had the same problems with some Lahey fortran programs I wrote back in > the > 90's. Worked on all M$ platforms until we went to XP. Have you looked into > using Microsoft Virtual PC? That worked, IIRC, but it was too difficult to > make the software portable so we ended up re-writing the code in C++ > (thank > $diety I had retained the source code, being a packrat actually has it's > advantages some times!). > > Couldn't it have been modified for Basic (there seems to be little difference [I/O, maybe nested loops]) easier than essentially rewriting in C++? XP's lack of DOS is sc****ing up some of my legacy programs - they won't run in XPs emulation mode. I remember changing the source code in a FORTRAN 0 compiler in the punch card era to change the output device (actually I changed the machine code in the compiler. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin From nobody at spamcop.net Tue May 2 08:50:47 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue May 2 07:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > Couldn't it have been modified for Basic (there seems to be little > difference [I/O, maybe nested loops]) easier than essentially > rewriting in C++? Dunno, the software guy was given his choice on what language to port it too and that's what he picked. I do have another program written in basic, haven't tried to run it on XP so I don't know if it'll work or not. > > XP's lack of DOS is sc****ing up some of my legacy programs - they > won't run in XPs emulation mode. Welcome to my world! From user at domain.invalid Tue May 2 08:58:01 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 2 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop Issues - Just Curious In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30.04.2006 19:00, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- >> xxx.xxx.xxx is an "open relay" Dummy me !!!! The message in the report is: xxx.xxx.xxx. is an "open proxy", not "relay". Sorry ... :-( From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Tue May 2 09:26:52 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Tue May 2 11:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e37h2o$mb2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > anon wrote: >> Couldn't it have been modified for Basic (there seems to be little >> difference [I/O, maybe nested loops]) easier than essentially >> rewriting in C++? > > Dunno, the software guy was given his choice on what language to port it > too > and that's what he picked. I do have another program written in basic, > haven't tried to run it on XP so I don't know if it'll work or not. > Gees, I had not thought of that - I just tested my old basic program and it worked perfectly! Thank goodness. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin >> >> XP's lack of DOS is sc****ing up some of my legacy programs - they >> won't run in XPs emulation mode. > > Welcome to my world! > > From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 2 09:33:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 2 11:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop Issues - Just Curious References: Message-ID: User wrote: >>> xxx.xxx.xxx is an "open relay" > > > Dummy me !!!! > > The message in the report is: > > xxx.xxx.xxx. is an "open proxy", not "relay". Now that makes sense. The vast majority of spams are being injected by proxified trojan user IPs which are very often listed, most often in CBL which gets them into XBL of spamhaus. The parser's verbose informs about the proxy database listing like that. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 2 12:23:36 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Tue May 2 14:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:e37h2o$mb2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > anon wrote: >> Couldn't it have been modified for Basic (there seems to be little >> difference [I/O, maybe nested loops]) easier than essentially >> rewriting in C++? > > Dunno, the software guy was given his choice on what language to port it > too > and that's what he picked. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail... > I do have another program written in basic, > haven't tried to run it on XP so I don't know if it'll work or not. Get a copy of QBASICc (came with 9X, NT) and GWBASIC (came with MS-DOS). They both run fine on XP and will run most old PC BASIC programs. Or, if you need to modernize it, buy a copy of PowerBASIC Console Compiler. Note that QBASIC is *not* the same as QuickBasic, despite the thousands of web pages that incorrectly call QuickBasic QBASIC. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Tue May 2 14:19:50 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Tue May 2 16:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: running DOS programs - failure References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:e37tnv$uhg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:e37h2o$mb2$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> anon wrote: >>> Couldn't it have been modified for Basic (there seems to be little >>> difference [I/O, maybe nested loops]) easier than essentially >>> rewriting in C++? >> >> Dunno, the software guy was given his choice on what language to port it >> too >> and that's what he picked. I do have another program written in basic, >> haven't tried to run it on XP so I don't know if it'll work or not. >> > > Gees, I had not thought of that - I just tested my old basic program and > it worked perfectly! Thank goodness. > The basic program I have is QBASIC - and it does run fine. Another poster mentioned QuickBasic vs.: qbasic. I think I tried QuickBasic on w95/w98 computers and it did not run satisfactorily. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > -- > A SpamCop user and forum reader, > Not Admin > > > >>> >>> XP's lack of DOS is sc****ing up some of my legacy programs - they >>> won't run in XPs emulation mode. >> >> Welcome to my world! >> >> > From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed May 3 18:35:30 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed May 3 17:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop Issues - Just Curious References: Message-ID: <44592222.E347738F@spamcop.net> Mike Easter wrote: > > User wrote: > > >>> xxx.xxx.xxx is an "open relay" > > > > > > Dummy me !!!! > > > > The message in the report is: > > > > xxx.xxx.xxx. is an "open proxy", not "relay". > > Now that makes sense. The vast majority of spams are being injected by > proxified trojan user IPs which are very often listed, most often in CBL > which gets them into XBL of spamhaus. [...] BTDTGML[1], due to a misconfigured router, which allowed anyone to use its winsock proxy, not just local IPs. It took me a while to figure out why all those outgoing SMTP connections were appearing in the status window. Of course, when you come here for help, with the "I screwed up, how do I unscrew it?" attitude (as opposed to the "how dare you call me a spammer" attitude), people here are more than happy to help you fix it. It still amazes me how many people come here with the "how dare you" attitude, and refuse to help others help them fix their problem, and simply want to get SpamCop to stop listing them. [1] "BTDT Got Myself Listed". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 10:02:05 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. Message-ID: On April 22, my best friend died of a massive heart attack. We can access part of his MSN account from his computer but not all of the data we need can be reached by that method. Despite legal papers giving us access to his estate and all records MSN is stone walling. As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? Regards FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 8 07:19:34 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 09:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to > access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? The one in social won't do XP. This one sez it will and also hotmail as well as msn. http://www.alpinesnow.com/msnpassword.shtml Hotmail & MSN Password Recovery -- but maybe that is just for msn messenger -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 11:33:55 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 11:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3nggk$uiv$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > As the pass word is on his computer is there any practical way to | > access that pass word and bypass the MSN nightmare? | | The one in social won't do XP. This one sez it will and also hotmail as | well as msn. | | http://www.alpinesnow.com/msnpassword.shtml Hotmail & MSN Password | Recovery -- but maybe that is just for msn messenger | | -- | Mike Easter | kibitzer, not SC admin Thanks, I'll spring for the $18 bucks if need be but as I only need this for one application (based on the hassle I've gotten from MSN I plan to avoid them like the plague) I'm hoping to find a free program. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 8 09:01:33 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 11:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Thanks, I'll spring for the $18 bucks if need be but as I only need > this for one application (based on the hassle I've gotten from MSN I > plan to avoid them like the plague) I'm hoping to find a free program. I also saw a faq about getting a msn password from msn's 'lost password' system, where if you are able to provide enough information about the account, they will give it to you -- not on the basis of an estate management issue, but on the basis of the common problem of msn users losing passwords. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 8 09:04:01 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 11:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I also saw a faq about getting a msn password from msn's 'lost > password' system, This isn't the one I saw, but it does the same job http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_change_my_msn_hotmail_password_if_i_forgot_it.html How do I change my MSN Hotmail password if I forgot it? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 17:03:16 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 8 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3nmfq$21i$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > Thanks, I'll spring for the $18 bucks if need be but as I only need | > this for one application (based on the hassle I've gotten from MSN I | > plan to avoid them like the plague) I'm hoping to find a free program. | | I also saw a faq about getting a msn password from msn's 'lost password' | system, where if you are able to provide enough information about the | account, they will give it to you -- not on the basis of an estate | management issue, but on the basis of the common problem of msn users | losing passwords. | They want the last four digits of the credit card used to set up the account which was four years ago. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 8 17:49:46 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Mon May 8 16:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Mailing lists Q Message-ID: Sorry; posted this in the wrong group (.mail) first; I have cancelled that message and reposted it here. This is a result of the REMOVE ME thread over in .mail. --------------- Huh, hadn't thought about mail lists in eons, I think; at least years. They almost always seem to unleash almost a ddos attack on one's inbox and many unsuspecting newbies seem to still get caught in them, no matter how well the descrips warn people about the possible onslaught of messages. Which brings me to my question/s: What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full blown mailing list? What use could they be? I've thought about databases; no, way too much crud to pick thru. A very lonely person? Maybe; if they like to read. To learn? Suppose that's a possibility. A mailing list could help one cull out the misfits ahead of time I suppose, and there is a lot of good information hidden away in the many mails, but ... sheesh, a couple days/weeks of lurking will do the same thing, and probably a lot quicker. Anyone got any responses that might make me feel like I have one less ignorance-area in my life? Regards, Pop From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 8 14:59:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 8 17:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: POP wrote: > What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full > blown mailing list? What use could they be? There are many many different kinds of mailing lists and mailing lists function 'similarly' to web based forums and nntp based newsgroups; so, the same 'kind of' people who would participate in any electronic community forum would participate in a mailing list. It is relatively simple to setup and manage. Each of the methods, webforum, mailing list, nntp newsgroup - has its own advantages and disadvantages and very often they completely overlap. Examples are gmane for overlapping newsgroups, webforum, and mailing lists and grc for overlapping webforum and nntp news. Googlegroups is another example of overlapping a web interface and a mailing list. Some support systems provide the support only in the form of mailing lists, not nntp or web based. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Mon May 8 21:27:38 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon May 8 20:30:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3o8j2$c7q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e3nmfq$21i$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > | > Thanks, I'll spring for the $18 bucks if need be but as I only need > | > this for one application (based on the hassle I've gotten from MSN I > | > plan to avoid them like the plague) I'm hoping to find a free program. > | > | I also saw a faq about getting a msn password from msn's 'lost password' > | system, where if you are able to provide enough information about the > | account, they will give it to you -- not on the basis of an estate > | management issue, but on the basis of the common problem of msn users > | losing passwords. > | > They want the last four digits of the credit card used to set up the > account > which was four years ago. > > It also should be the one currently being billed under.... If someone has access to his current person info, look at his current cards. Also, if you have the proper 'paperwork' your just need a bigger 'hammer' @ MSN. I would try Microsoft PR dept... From jg at coks.net Mon May 8 18:45:03 2006 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Mon May 8 20:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/8/2006 1:49 PM POP scribbled: > Huh, hadn't thought about mail lists in eons, I think; at least > years. They almost always seem to unleash almost a ddos attack > on one's inbox and many unsuspecting newbies seem to still get > caught in them, no matter how well the descrips warn people about > the possible onslaught of messages. I don't understand the ddos attack bit. What onslaught of messages are you referring to? Which brings me to my > question/s: > > What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full > blown mailing list? What use could they be? They are very useful for specific topics of interest to you > > I've thought about databases; no, way too much crud to pick thru. > A very lonely person? Maybe; if they like to read. To learn? > Suppose that's a possibility. absolutely A mailing list could help one cull > out the misfits ahead of time I suppose, and there is a lot of > good information hidden away in the many mails, but ... sheesh, a > couple days/weeks of lurking will do the same thing, and probably > a lot quicker. You have a point, to a point. But by lurking you have to sift through a lot of posts to separate the noise.. > > Anyone got any responses that might make me feel like I have one > less ignorance-area in my life? > > Regards, > > Pop > > > From me at privacy.net Mon May 8 22:36:21 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue May 9 08:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with accessing a MSN dial up account. References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" | > | | > | > Thanks, I'll spring for the $18 bucks if need be but as I only need | > | > this for one application (based on the hassle I've gotten from MSN I | > | > plan to avoid them like the plague) I'm hoping to find a free program. | > | | > | I also saw a faq about getting a msn password from msn's 'lost password' | > | system, where if you are able to provide enough information about the | > | account, they will give it to you -- not on the basis of an estate | > | management issue, but on the basis of the common problem of msn users | > | losing passwords. | > | | > They want the last four digits of the credit card used to set up the | > account | > which was four years ago. | > | > | | It also should be the one currently being billed under.... | If someone has access to his current person info, look at his current cards. | | Also, if you have the proper 'paperwork' your just need a bigger 'hammer' @ | MSN. I would try Microsoft PR dept... I've got a call into their legal department. If that doesn't work a local judge will issue a court order and if that doesn't work there will be a bench warrant with a show cause for their agent of service. I hope it does not come to that as I've a lot more on my plate than a desire to hassle with msn. From user at domain.invalid Tue May 9 12:30:25 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 9 12:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full > blown mailing list? What use could they be? Umm, welll, let's see ... For one, my Wife a retired IRS Collections Attorney on the West Law Mailing List. Likes to keep up with case precedents. In her retirement she raises and trains (obedience) Australian Shepherd dogs. The Aussie mailing list comes in quite handy and is quite enjoyable keeping up with friends and fellow breeder/trainers around the globe. Anything else? I can provide a whole lot more. From pantheus at spamcop.net Tue May 9 10:41:45 2006 From: pantheus at spamcop.net (ken) Date: Tue May 9 12:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: On Mon, 08 May 2006 16:49:46 -0400, POP wrote: > What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full > blown mailing list? What use could they be? > Anyone got any responses that might make me feel like I have one > less ignorance-area in my life? I use a 'full-blown' Mailman list as an announce-only (one way) to notify hundreds of members that a particular Emagazine has published another issue. There are hundreds of others that are for industry-specific topics. Some I subscribe to are related to web design, web publication, data bases. Many mailing lists have been very active for ten or more years. Ken From geary at eris.io.com Tue May 9 21:12:23 2006 From: geary at eris.io.com (Mark Geary) Date: Tue May 9 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: In article , POP wrote: < A mailing list could help one cull out the misfits ahead of time I < suppose, and there is a lot of good information hidden away in the < many mails, but ... sheesh, a couple days/weeks of lurking will do < the same thing, and probably a lot quicker. Lurking where? Sometimes a mailing list will have archives of past messages available on a web or ftp site, but not always. Often the only way to see the messages posted to the mailing list is to subscribe. Mark Geary -- "It's going to be a tough one Sam...Ziggy hasn't got a clue and the guy in the waiting room keeps asking me if I want a jelly baby." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 9 17:32:53 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Tue May 9 16:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: "Mark Geary" wrote in message news:e3qt37$v8c$1@news.spamcop.net... > In article , > POP wrote: > > < A mailing list could help one cull out the misfits ahead of > time I > < suppose, and there is a lot of good information hidden away > in the > < many mails, but ... sheesh, a couple days/weeks of lurking > will do > < the same thing, and probably a lot quicker. > > Lurking where? Sometimes a mailing list will have archives of > past ... Lurking on a newsgroup, not a list. Interesting bunch of responses; and reasonable uses, too. Color me a little surprised but hey, what do I know? Pop From geary at eris.io.com Wed May 10 18:22:44 2006 From: geary at eris.io.com (Mark Geary) Date: Wed May 10 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: In article , POP wrote: < < "Mark Geary" wrote in message < news:e3qt37$v8c$1@news.spamcop.net... < > In article , < > POP wrote: < > < > < A mailing list could help one cull out the misfits ahead of time I < > < suppose, and there is a lot of good information hidden away in the < > < many mails, but ... sheesh, a couple days/weeks of lurking will do < > < the same thing, and probably a lot quicker. < > < > Lurking where? Sometimes a mailing list will have archives of < > past < ... < < Lurking on a newsgroup, not a list. < < Interesting bunch of responses; and reasonable uses, too. Color < me a little surprised but hey, what do I know? Ah, you were referring specifically to the Spamcop newsgroups as gatewayed to mailing lists? There I agree. Dicussions on a newsgroup are easier for me to follow than on a mailing list. However, generally speaking, many useful mailing lists are not gatewayed to newsgroups and when they are, the gatewaying is sometimes imperfect. (For example, the gmane newsgroups, gatewayed from a number of mailing lists, do funny things when I read them with trn.) Mark Geary -- "It's going to be a tough one Sam...Ziggy hasn't got a clue and the guy in the waiting room keeps asking me if I want a jelly baby." From me at privacy.net Wed May 10 22:19:36 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 10 21:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need recommendations on security Message-ID: I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG (free) without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying for the software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and McAfee and was not pleased) She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP computer and XP. She also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options as may be appropriate. TIA FP From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 07:23:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG > (free) without incident for some time but is wants her system set up > so that updates etc are done automatically. I'm not getting the picture completely clearly. The subject says security. AVG free AV .dat updates are done automatically. ZA free personal software 'firewall' provides outbound as well as inbound intrusion detection. ZoneLabs has a number of other products and suites re viruses and spyware. The various malwares of adware spyware have a variety of defenses some of which involve browser choice and configuration. The term 'updates' can refer to anything from the .dat/s to the upgrade/update paths of security apps. The ZA free has numerous 'branches' of versions each with their separate update history http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/information/znalm/zaReleaseHistory.html ZoneAlarm? Release History ... but the point I'm suggesting is that what happens automatically isn't always enough. The user has to continually 'touch bases' with their security considerations and bring themselves up to speed on what should be done 'now', the same or differently than before. For example, you haven't mentioned anything about the browser issue/problem and its insecurities and what she is doing to be more secure in that department -- in terms of which version of which browser. The same is true about Windows updates. Many say she shouldn't be using IE for her browser surfing because of its insecurities and because it is antiquated in its functionalities and compliances. Nothing is going to 'automatically' help with that evaluation or configuration. If you are more security aware than she is and she trusts your evaluation of her setup, maybe she should have you periodically check on her system's 'status' vis such as spyware, cookie management, and update status and needs for revisions. That is, a human can oversee updating and upgrading better than automation. And automation is worthwhile too. > She does not mind > paying for the software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW > She tried Norton and McAfee and was not pleased) > > She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP computer and > XP. She also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. I would say there definitely needs to be a hardware switchrouter in there. The broad subject of wireless insecurity in such a network is a whole 'nuther problem. The switch router could have a logger like WallWatcher to monitor. > Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options as may > be appropriate. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From jg at coks.net Thu May 11 08:59:33 2006 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Thu May 11 11:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/10/2006 6:19 PM Frog Prince scribbled: > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG (free) > without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that > updates etc are done automatically. Can't respond on ZA, but the free AVG s/w updates daily and runs daily automagically, which for /me/ is a little pita but it keeps one alert. Are you saying hers doesn't? FWICT, AVG gives you no choice to turn this off with the free edition... She does not mind paying for the > software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and > McAfee and was not pleased) > > She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP computer and XP. She > also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. > > Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options as may be > appropriate. > > TIA > > FP > > From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 12:45:26 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 11:55:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e3vds7$fld$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG | > (free) without incident for some time but is wants her system set up | > so that updates etc are done automatically. | | I'm not getting the picture completely clearly. The subject says | security. | | AVG free AV .dat updates are done automatically. ZA free personal | software 'firewall' provides outbound as well as inbound intrusion | detection. ZoneLabs has a number of other products and suites re | viruses and spyware. The various malwares of adware spyware have a | variety of defenses some of which involve browser choice and | configuration. | | The term 'updates' can refer to anything from the .dat/s to the | upgrade/update paths of security apps. The ZA free has numerous | 'branches' of versions each with their separate update history | http://download.zonelabs.com/bin/free/information/znalm/zaReleaseHistory.html | ZoneAlarm® Release History | | ... but the point I'm suggesting is that what happens automatically | isn't always enough. The user has to continually 'touch bases' with | their security considerations and bring themselves up to speed on what | should be done 'now', the same or differently than before. For example, | you haven't mentioned anything about the browser issue/problem and its | insecurities and what she is doing to be more secure in that | department -- in terms of which version of which browser. The same is | true about Windows updates. Many say she shouldn't be using IE for her | browser surfing because of its insecurities and because it is antiquated | in its functionalities and compliances. Nothing is going to | 'automatically' help with that evaluation or configuration. | | If you are more security aware than she is and she trusts your | evaluation of her setup, maybe she should have you periodically check on | her system's 'status' vis such as spyware, cookie management, and update | status and needs for revisions. That is, a human can oversee updating | and upgrading better than automation. And automation is worthwhile too. I've been doing her updates, system and spy checks on a weekly basis. For whatever reason she's set on having some functions as fully automatic. I'm only using the free software with my 'clients' as they are all low income and often disabled. She OTOH has the money (she often purchases stuff my clients need but cannot afford) and apparently wants to have something for which she has purchased rights. BTW she's gone through Norton and McAfee software leaving me to clean up the mess. (not that I mind as she is a good baker and we visit over there several times a week) For the time being she is using my WIFI connection and has asked me to install one for her system. Something I've not gotten around to quite yet. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu May 11 16:55:38 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu May 11 12:00:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Running Programs on USB Flash Drives Message-ID: I need to get an USB Flash Drive so that I can take a couple of portable programs with me when travelling. I'll be needing to access my GPS device to save and load data to/from it using a stand alone program run direct from an exe and also run the portable Filezilla as an ftp client. Is there any basic difference between the USB Flash Drives except for size and read/write speed? I've seen one, Busbi 1GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive - with new U3 Technology http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BND4GI/ref=pd_ys_pym_a_2/026-1878821-0030858?%5Fencoding=UTF8 which claims, quote: "Includes the new U3 Smart Drive from Clever-stuff. Clever-Stuff U3 Smart Drives are the second generation in USB Flash Drives technology and bring a new level of intelligence to the device. It is now possible to install programs to USB Flash Drives and the Launchpad acts as a one-click gateway to the installed applications or software portals. "All 1GB and 2GB busbi USB keys carry the U3 platform, which offers the following attributes as well as mentioned above ? user does not need admin rights (as software is run from the device). The user leaves no traces on the host PC that they were ever there and the entire key can be password protected." but, can you not run stand alone applications from any Flash Drive and not leave traces to boot? Is there anything particularly different with this drive to any other or is this just marketing blurb? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From not at here.invalid Thu May 11 10:03:33 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Thu May 11 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG (free) > without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that > updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying for the > software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and > McAfee and was not pleased) > > She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP computer and XP. > She > also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. > > Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options as may be > appropriate. > Don't know about zone alarm but you can set up AVG to update the virus defs automatically once a day. Just go to the AVG Control Center and click Sceduler and then scheduled tasks and either update the second item "update plan in basic mode" to set the time you want the auto update to run daily and also click update when goes online. In update manager properties you can set some other options regarding auto reboot and ending tasks automatically. Ellen From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 10:17:23 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 12:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I've been doing her updates, system and spy checks on a weekly basis. > For whatever reason she's set on having some functions as fully > automatic. I'm interpreting that as saying, "Altho' your human oversight is simply fantastic, I would rather there be some equally fantastic automated system so that you won't be sticking your nose in my system on a regular basis." The fact is, that you won't be able to come up with an automatic system which is the equivalent of your or something security conscious human oversight. Maybe she should hire a different human which she doesn't mind that overseer sticking hir nose into the system. > I'm only using the free software with my 'clients' as they are all low > income and often disabled. She OTOH has the money (she often > purchases stuff my clients need but cannot afford) and apparently > wants to have something for which she has purchased rights. I'm hearing that it is her impression that bought ware is better than freeware -- when in fact, freeware in the hands of the competent security manager is far far better than bought ware only in the hands of the security incompetent. She is progressively convincing me that she is trying to make bad decisions about her security management, perhaps for good reasons, but with a poor idea of how to execute her notions. I'm also feeling that she isn't being entirely honest about what her concerns are because you are a good friend, helper and baked goods eater. > BTW > she's gone through Norton and McAfee software leaving me to clean up > the mess. That's telling me that she isn't at all competent to be managing her security issues entirely on her own or 'automatically'. > (not that I mind as she is a good baker and we visit over > there several times a week) > > For the time being she is using my WIFI connection and has asked me to > install one for her system. Something I've not gotten around to > quite yet. If she is insecure within her own system, she is going to be way insecure with improperly managed wifi insecurities. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 11 15:02:14 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Thu May 11 14:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:e3vnm1$n5e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and >> AVG (free) >> without incident for some time but is wants her system set up >> so that >> updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying >> for the >> software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried >> Norton and >> McAfee and was not pleased) >> >> She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP >> computer and XP. She >> also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. >> >> Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options >> as may be >> appropriate. >> > > > Don't know about zone alarm but you can set up AVG to update > the virus defs automatically once a day. Just go to the AVG > Control Center and click ... Zone Alarm too, sort of: IF this pastes readable, here's the Help page text: Setting update options When you purchase Zone Labs security software you receive a year of free updates. You can check for updates manually, or set Zone Labs security software to check automatically. To set check for update settings: Select Overview|Preferences. In the Check for Updates area, choose an update option. Automatically- Zone Labs security software automatically -notifies - you when an update is available. Manually -You monitor the Status tab for updates. To invoke an update check immediately, click Check for Update. From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 15:24:06 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 14:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" | > I've been doing her updates, system and spy checks on a weekly basis. | > For whatever reason she's set on having some functions as fully | > automatic. | | I'm interpreting that as saying, "Altho' your human oversight is simply | fantastic, I would rather there be some equally fantastic automated | system so that you won't be sticking your nose in my system on a regular | basis." The fact is, that you won't be able to come up with an | automatic system which is the equivalent of your or something security | conscious human oversight. Maybe she should hire a different human | which she doesn't mind that overseer sticking their nose into the system. Not a problem with respect to access to her private data as I've power of attorney for her bills, her health care and designated executor of her estate. Like I said she is accustom to paying for whatever she gets (took us a long time to convince her that we WOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE accept payment for anything we might do under the color of our friendship.) You are probably correct in the desire for an automated system which is clear from her purchases of Norton and McAfee. | > I'm only using the free software with my 'clients' as they are all low | > income and often disabled. She OTOH has the money (she often | > purchases stuff my clients need but cannot afford) and apparently | > wants to have something for which she has purchased rights. | | I'm hearing that it is her impression that bought ware is better than | freeware -- when in fact, freeware in the hands of the competent | security manager is far far better than bought ware only in the hands of | the security incompetent. She is progressively convincing me that she | is trying to make bad decisions about her security management, perhaps | for good reasons, but with a poor idea of how to execute her notions. See above on power of attorney etc. | I'm also feeling that she isn't being entirely honest about what her | concerns are because you are a good friend, helper and baked goods | eater. | | > BTW | > she's gone through Norton and McAfee software leaving me to clean up | > the mess. | | That's telling me that she isn't at all competent to be managing her | security issues entirely on her own or 'automatically'. She has ZERO clue when it comes to computer, the internet and security. | | > (not that I mind as she is a good baker and we visit over | > there several times a week) | > | > For the time being she is using my WIFI connection and has asked me to | > install one for her system. Something I've not gotten around to | > quite yet. | | If she is insecure within her own system, she is going to be way | insecure with improperly managed wifi insecurities. There is zero personal information on her computers (I've made sure of that early on) that would be even a minor concern if the machines were compromised except for the damage a compromised computer might do to the rest of the net. FWIW she gets a few spam emails and the occasional offensive porn email on the account I've set up for her to use in the 'wild' but nothing more. She does pay attention and while she sends more than an occasional joke/cartoon to her circle of friends she does so with UNDISCLOSED RECIPIENTS in the TO: field and the personal addresses in the BCC. >From post in .geeks it seems that the free stuff is more than adequate and I've now a task to convince her of that eventuality. If I'm wrong I presume someone here will correct me. From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 15:26:45 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 14:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "POP" wrote in message news:e3vu6u$r43$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Ellen" wrote in message | news:e3vnm1$n5e$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Frog Prince" wrote in message | > news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and | >> AVG (free) | >> without incident for some time but is wants her system set up | >> so that | >> updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying | >> for the | >> software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried | >> Norton and | >> McAfee and was not pleased) | >> | >> She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP | >> computer and XP. She | >> also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. | >> | >> Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options | >> as may be | >> appropriate. | >> | > | > | > Don't know about zone alarm but you can set up AVG to update | > the virus defs automatically once a day. Just go to the AVG | > Control Center and click | ... | | Zone Alarm too, sort of: IF this pastes readable, here's the | Help page text: | | Setting update options | | When you purchase Zone Labs security software you receive a year | of free updates. You can check for updates manually, or set Zone | Labs security software to check automatically. | | To set check for update settings: | Select Overview|Preferences. | In the Check for Updates area, choose an update option. | Automatically- Zone Labs security software | automatically -notifies - you when an update is available. | | Manually -You monitor the Status tab for updates. To invoke an | update check immediately, click Check for Update. Does the pro version contain the option to 'check as soon as the system is on line?' I ask as she does not use the system often and there is no practical way to predict a fixed time when an up date should be skeducled. Which rases a question is there another program that would do the up date task for every think base on say once a week whereever she might be on line? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 13:11:54 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 15:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> so that you won't be sticking your nose in my >> system on a regular basis." Okay, that tack was wrong. > Not a problem with respect to access to her private data as I've > power of attorney for her bills, her health care and designated > executor of her estate. How about 'so that I won't be so much trouble to you all the time' ? >> That's telling me that she isn't at all competent to be managing her >> security issues entirely on her own or 'automatically'. > > She has ZERO clue when it comes to computer, the internet and > security. > FWIW she gets a few spam emails and the occasional offensive porn > email on the account I've set up for her to use in the 'wild' but > nothing more. She does pay attention and while she sends more than an > occasional joke/cartoon to her circle of friends she does so with > UNDISCLOSED RECIPIENTS in the TO: field and the personal addresses in > the BCC. Good for bcc. > From post in .geeks it seems that the free stuff is more than > adequate and I've now a task to convince her of that eventuality. If > I'm wrong I presume someone here will correct me. I still think that if she has a network of her desk computer and her laptop which you intend to put on her own system instead of yours, that she would be better off with a hardware NAT device switchrouter rather than just the software personal intrusionextrusion socalled firewall. That is also the case for the single computer connected 'always on' facing the internet on a cable modem which is not networked to the laptop. The address translation of the NAT device is a very powerful feature aiding in the security of the box compared to just the software personal 'firewall'. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 16:24:39 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" | >> so that you won't be sticking your nose in my | >> system on a regular basis." | | Okay, that tack was wrong. | | > Not a problem with respect to access to her private data as I've | > power of attorney for her bills, her health care and designated | > executor of her estate. | | How about 'so that I won't be so much trouble to you all the time' ? That's a possibility but we're over there on the slightest whim regardless. If she sees my light on early in the morning I'll get a phone call 'biscuits are just coming out of the oven and coffee is hot' | >> That's telling me that she isn't at all competent to be managing her | >> security issues entirely on her own or 'automatically'. | > | > She has ZERO clue when it comes to computer, the internet and | > security. | | > FWIW she gets a few spam emails and the occasional offensive porn | > email on the account I've set up for her to use in the 'wild' but | > nothing more. She does pay attention and while she sends more than an | > occasional joke/cartoon to her circle of friends she does so with | > UNDISCLOSED RECIPIENTS in the TO: field and the personal addresses in | > the BCC. | | Good for bcc. | | > From post in .geeks it seems that the free stuff is more than | > adequate and I've now a task to convince her of that eventuality. If | > I'm wrong I presume someone here will correct me. | | I still think that if she has a network of her desk computer and her | laptop which you intend to put on her own system instead of yours, that | she would be better off with a hardware NAT device switchrouter rather | than just the software personal intrusionextrusion socalled firewall. | | That is also the case for the single computer connected 'always on' | facing the internet on a cable modem which is not networked to the | laptop. The address translation of the NAT device is a very powerful | feature aiding in the security of the box compared to just the software | personal 'firewall'. What do you recommend in this regard. BTW there is no such thing as 'ALWAYS ON' as this lady is a product of the Depression and waste nothing. As example she will often gift us with homemade preserves etc (did I mention she is a terrific scratch cook?) but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 13:59:25 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 16:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> How about 'so that I won't be so much trouble to you all the time' ? > > That's a possibility but we're over there on the slightest whim > regardless. If she sees my light on early in the morning I'll get a > phone call 'biscuits are just coming out of the oven and coffee is > hot' That's not at all the same thing as not wanting to be any trouble. Just the opposite. Payback. >> That is also the case for the single computer connected 'always on' >> facing the internet on a cable modem which is not networked to the >> laptop. The address translation of the NAT device is a very powerful >> feature aiding in the security of the box compared to just the >> software personal 'firewall'. > > What do you recommend in this regard. Well, I'm not a serious firewaller like the dudes in comp.security.firewalls -- they nitpick the deficiencies of the weak NAT devices and talk about how to get a good deal and install 3rd party firmware to some mass market device and all that. The NAT device I bought was on sale at Fry's. :-) > BTW there is no such thing as 'ALWAYS ON' as this lady is a product > of the Depression and waste nothing. Well, the cable modem folks would kinda like to be able to update cable modem firmware in the wee hours of the morning whenever they feel like it and they rather prefer that the cable modem be on all the time. Their suggestion is that if the cable modem owner doesn't feel comfortable with the 'exposure' that they should push the standby button if they have one - which effectively disconnects the modem from the computer while leaving the modem in the cableco's network and accessible to updating. > As example she will often gift > us with homemade preserves etc (did I mention she is a terrific > scratch cook?) but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely > fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. I completely understand that position and support it wholeheartedly. What are you going to be doing with *her* Mason jars and tops after you're done with the goodies inside anyway? ;-) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 18:42:56 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 17:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e4052r$vf4$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | >> How about 'so that I won't be so much trouble to you all the time' ? | > | > That's a possibility but we're over there on the slightest whim | > regardless. If she sees my light on early in the morning I'll get a | > phone call 'biscuits are just coming out of the oven and coffee is | > hot' | | That's not at all the same thing as not wanting to be any trouble. Just | the opposite. Payback. And a chance to bend my ear about the 'way back times'. Like how she kept cows during WWII and traded home made butter (not really black market) for other stuff that was in short supply. | >> That is also the case for the single computer connected 'always on' | >> facing the internet on a cable modem which is not networked to the | >> laptop. The address translation of the NAT device is a very powerful | >> feature aiding in the security of the box compared to just the | >> software personal 'firewall'. | > | > What do you recommend in this regard. | | Well, I'm not a serious firewaller like the dudes in | comp.security.firewalls -- they nitpick the deficiencies of the weak NAT | devices and talk about how to get a good deal and install 3rd party | firmware to some mass market device and all that. The NAT device I | bought was on sale at Fry's. :-) | | > BTW there is no such thing as 'ALWAYS ON' as this lady is a product | > of the Depression and waste nothing. | | Well, the cable modem folks would kinda like to be able to update cable | modem firmware in the wee hours of the morning whenever they feel like | it and they rather prefer that the cable modem be on all the time. | Their suggestion is that if the cable modem owner doesn't feel | comfortable with the 'exposure' that they should push the standby button | if they have one - which effectively disconnects the modem from the | computer while leaving the modem in the cableco's network and accessible | to updating. In that regard I've managed to hide the cable modem where she does not notice that it's on 24/7 but not for the benifit of the cable company just that I don't want to have to deal with the inevatable resets required from on/off cycling. | | > As example she will often gift | > us with homemade preserves etc (did I mention she is a terrific | > scratch cook?) but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely | > fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. | | I completely understand that position and support it wholeheartedly. | What are you going to be doing with *her* Mason jars and tops after | you're done with the goodies inside anyway? ;-) I do as she ask (I'm also the son of depression era parents/grandparents) but mention that only by way of explanation. From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Thu May 11 17:53:20 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Thu May 11 17:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Running Programs on USB Flash Drives References: Message-ID: Canopus did pass the time by typing: > I need to get an USB Flash Drive so that I can take a couple of portable > programs with me when travelling. I'll be needing to access my GPS device > to save and load data to/from it using a stand alone program run direct > from an exe and also run the portable Filezilla as an ftp client. Is > there any basic difference between the USB Flash Drives except for size > and read/write speed? I've seen one, Busbi 1GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive - with > new U3 Technology > http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000BND4GI/ref=pd_ys_pym_a_2/026-1878821-0030858?%5Fencoding=UTF8 > which claims, quote: > > "Includes the new U3 Smart Drive from Clever-stuff. Clever-Stuff U3 Smart > Drives are the second generation in USB Flash Drives technology and bring > a new level of intelligence to the device. It is now possible to install > programs to USB Flash Drives and the Launchpad acts as a one-click gateway > to the installed applications or software portals. This leads me to believe they have some sort of "middleware" installed on the key that acts as a proxy for applications. > "All 1GB and 2GB busbi USB keys carry the U3 platform, which offers the > following attributes as well as mentioned above - user does not need admin > rights (as software is run from the device). ... That simply means if the software does not require installation (i.e. registry information or dll's) then you can run it from the flash drive. (or the middleware on the key takes care of this) > ...The user leaves no traces on > the host PC that they were ever there and the entire key can be password > protected." Erm.. that's bull. Our monitoring software at work records and examines processes that are running. Now if your application doesn't write anything to the hard drive then that might be true. > but, can you not run stand alone applications from any Flash Drive and not > leave traces to boot? Is there anything particularly different with this > drive to any other or is this just marketing blurb? I would suspect market droid drool. But then again I haven't examined this product. -- DougW From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu May 11 23:18:43 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu May 11 18:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Running Programs on USB Flash Drives References: Message-ID: DougW on 11/05/2006 wrote: >Canopus did pass the time by typing: > >> >>"Includes the new U3 Smart Drive from Clever-stuff. Clever-Stuff U3 Smart >>Drives are the second generation in USB Flash Drives technology and bring >>a new level of intelligence to the device. It is now possible to install >>programs to USB Flash Drives and the Launchpad acts as a one-click gateway >>to the installed applications or software portals. > >This leads me to believe they have some sort of "middleware" installed on >the key that acts as a proxy for applications. > >>"All 1GB and 2GB busbi USB keys carry the U3 platform, which offers the >>following attributes as well as mentioned above - user does not need admin >>rights (as software is run from the device). ... > >That simply means if the software does not require installation (i.e. >registry >information or dll's) then you can run it from the flash drive. >(or the middleware on the key takes care of this) > >>...The user leaves no traces on >>the host PC that they were ever there and the entire key can be password >>protected." > >Erm.. that's bull. Our monitoring software at work records and examines >processes that are running. Now if your application doesn't write anything >to the hard drive then that might be true. > >>but, can you not run stand alone applications from any Flash Drive and not >>leave traces to boot? Is there anything particularly different with this >>drive to any other or is this just marketing blurb? > >I would suspect market droid drool. But then again I haven't examined this >product. So in other words a cheaper less gimmicky flash drive would probably be just as good as all one would have to do is double click the stand alone applications exe to launch it and you don't need Admin privileges for that if it doesn't write to registry. The strange thing is that when I actually look up that flash drive on the Busbi web site http://www.busbi.net/products-detail.php?category=&manufacturer=&products_id=720 it has no mention of any of those marketing blurbs found on Amazon. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 16:45:02 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 11 18:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >>>but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely >>> fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. >> What are you going to be doing with *her* Mason jars and tops after >> you're done with the goodies inside anyway? ;-) I was wondering why you called Mason jars Kerr [altho' I've seen that name, including 'Kerr Mason'] and I call them mason. So I went looking around and found this history article. http://www.pickyourown.org/canningjars.htm A Brief History of Common Home Canning Jars - Until 1858, canning jars used a glass jar, a tin flat lid, and sealing wax, which was not reusable and messy! - John L. Mason, invented the mason jar.- a glass container with a thread molded into its top and a zinc lid with a rubber ring. The rubber created the seal, and the threaded lid maintained it. - Clamped Glass-Lid Jars (Lightning Jars) - Atlas Jars - Ball Jars - Kerr Jars - Mr. Kerr later (1915) invented a smaller, flat metal disk with the same permanent composition gasket. The lid sealed on the top of a mason jar; a threaded metal ring held the lid down during the hot water processing. The jar we know today was born! I'm a big pressure cooker cooking dude/fan, but I don't do any pressure cooker canning. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 11 20:47:07 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Thu May 11 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Topic Slant: Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e40bc7$3k2$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e4052r$vf4$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | ... > > And a chance to bend my ear about the 'way back times'. Like > how she kept > cows during WWII and traded home made butter (not really black > market) for > other stuff that was in short supply. > ... Frog Prince, your experiences are making me relive some wonderful memories of three fantastic people in my life. My Mother, which needs no explanation, and my b-i-w's Mother Myrtle, and my wife's Uncle Junior. Myrtle and Uncle Junior were a lot like your friend sounds. Only, they were dairy farmers in upstate NY, full of "probly" and 'couldov", washing the nipples, & treating teats, all that kind of thing; decidedly poor and depression era folks who brought it forward with them, and tough as nails when it counted. Things were so different in those days, and so much easier it seems, even though we know better! Or at least I do. I spent some of Myrtle's last hours at her bedside, looking out the window at the "men" out working in the fields, and all they were doing wrong, how they should have done it, and discussing what to do for tomorrow's dinner since tonight's was almost cooked, and even some talk of her own Mother whom she insisted she was going to see soon. Of course, outside that window was nothing but the hosipital parking lot, but it was one of the warmest times of my life. Uncle Junior was just one of those types that actually DID seem to know everything, and if he didn't he had nothing to say on the subject. At 87 he was still able to climb the silo and the hay bales to get into the mow, and could beat me up there every time! He died fixing fences, just like he said he wanted to do! Hang onto that friend and appreciate every second you can spend with her. She sounds like the kind you could spend a lifetime with and still not get to know half of what she knew, or live half of what she lived. They just don't make 'em like that anymore. They leave/left legacies they had no idea they were leaving us. Pop From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 12 02:06:30 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 11 20:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3vvla$rvt$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "POP" wrote in message > news:e3vu6u$r43$1@news.spamcop.net... > | > | Manually -You monitor the Status tab for updates. To invoke an > | update check immediately, click Check for Update. > > > Does the pro version contain the option to 'check as soon as the system is > on line?' I ask as she does not use the system often and there is no > practical way to predict a fixed time when an up date should be skeducled. > Which rases a question is there another program that would do the up date > task for every think base on say once a week whereever she might be on > line? I run ZoneAlarm on my system and it checks to see if there is an update by;- polling the server when the client connects, periodically polling the server if the connection is "always-on" ADSL, or manually by clicking the button. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 11 21:29:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Thu May 11 20:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3vvla$rvt$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "POP" wrote in message > news:e3vu6u$r43$1@news.spamcop.net... > | ... > | > > | > > | > Don't know about zone alarm but you can set up AVG to > update > | > the virus defs automatically once a day. Just go to the AVG > | > Control Center and click > | ... > | > | Zone Alarm too, sort of: IF this pastes readable, here's the > | Help page text: > | > | Setting update options > | > | When you purchase Zone Labs security software you receive a > year > | of free updates. You can check for updates manually, or set > Zone > | Labs security software to check automatically. > | > | To set check for update settings: > | Select Overview|Preferences. > | In the Check for Updates area, choose an update option. > | Automatically- Zone Labs security software > | automatically -notifies - you when an update is available. > | > | Manually -You monitor the Status tab for updates. To invoke > an > | update check immediately, click Check for Update. > > > Does the pro version contain the option to 'check as soon as > the system is > on line?' I ask as she does not use the system often and there > is no > practical way to predict a fixed time when an up date should be > skeducled. > Which rases a question is there another program that would do > the up date > task for every think base on say once a week whereever she > might be on line? > > No, I don't think ZA will fit that exact description. Not with total non-intervention as you're looking for anyway. If you really want to find out what could be done, check out their forums; seems to be a good bunch there the few times I've visited, mostly out of curiousity before I paid for ZA. I like to get dirty laundry before I spend my bucks whenever I can . Norton would, sort of, I'm pretty sure, but you've already ruled that out. I know their av works as you described, but only within reason. One thing to keep in mind when you want it to check & d/l install without hesitation like that: NO apps that I know of will do it exactly that way. They all try to work in the background as much as reasonable in order to stay out of the user's way, so use of the computer will lengthen the time it takes to find and download, then install such updates. My Norton av comes close, but even it stays out of my way if I'm busy as soon as I connect. Having DSL helps that, but it's still a process that requires a finite amount of time. That said, I guess you could mess around with the task priorities, but I'd worry about getting complaints that it's slowing things down when she first gets online. Regards, Pop From me at privacy.net Thu May 11 23:54:06 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 23:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Topic Slant: Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "POP" | > And a chance to bend my ear about the 'way back times'. Like | > how she kept | > cows during WWII and traded home made butter (not really black | > market) for | > other stuff that was in short supply. | | Frog Prince, your experiences are making me relive some wonderful | memories of three fantastic people in my life. My Mother, which | needs no explanation, and my b-i-w's Mother Myrtle, and my wife's | Uncle Junior. | | Myrtle and Uncle Junior were a lot like your friend sounds. | Only, they were dairy farmers in upstate NY, full of "probly" and | 'couldov", washing the nipples, & treating teats, all that kind | of thing; decidedly poor and depression era folks who brought it | forward with them, and tough as nails when it counted. Things | were so different in those days, and so much easier it seems, | even though we know better! Or at least I do. | I spent some of Myrtle's last hours at her bedside, looking | out the window at the "men" out working in the fields, and all | they were doing wrong, how they should have done it, and | discussing what to do for tomorrow's dinner since tonight's was | almost cooked, and even some talk of her own Mother whom she | insisted she was going to see soon. Of course, outside that | window was nothing but the hospital parking lot, but it was one | of the warmest times of my life. | Uncle Junior was just one of those types that actually DID | seem to know everything, and if he didn't he had nothing to say | on the subject. At 87 he was still able to climb the silo and | the hay bales to get into the mow, and could beat me up there | every time! He died fixing fences, just like he said he wanted | to do! | | Hang onto that friend and appreciate every second you can spend | with her. She sounds like the kind you could spend a lifetime | with and still not get to know half of what she knew, or live | half of what she lived. They just don't make 'em like that | anymore. They leave/left legacies they had no idea they were | leaving us. Her husband (I've verified to the extent possible) was on the carrier that launched Doolittle's raid on Tokyo) he was also in charge of the engineering projects that designed/tested the explosive systems that separated the various booster stages in the space program. My wife, my son and I are active Hospice volunteers and get a lot of that sort of 'stuff' so far I've met men who survived Battan (spl), flew with Doolittle on his air raid on Tokyo, more than a few who flew in B17's, women who tested and flew all the war birds with the Woman's air core. Shared confidences with marines from Iwo Jima (spl?), some of the boys (which is what they were) who hit the beach of Normandy in the first wave, members of the paratroops who went in the back way. What I hear are memories filtered through love and lives lost and even if only 50% true well worth my time to visit these folk. Sad part is that while these are such moving stories but I'm under NDA so I can't even so much as discuss anything with anyone else. Hard copy is way out of line but still I must record their musings perhaps after I'm long dead it will not matter. I have been permitted to have my grand kids visit with some of my hospice friends and what THEY tell my grand kids is another matter. Hardest, for me, are the folk from NAM ... these guys are MY age and hurtin' From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 00:11:49 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 23:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e40epb$5ln$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "Mike Easter" | | >>>but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely | >>> fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. | | >> What are you going to be doing with *her* Mason jars and tops after | >> you're done with the goodies inside anyway? ;-) | | I was wondering why you called Mason jars Kerr [altho' I've seen that | name, including 'Kerr Mason'] and I call them mason. | | So I went looking around and found this history article. | | http://www.pickyourown.org/canningjars.htm A Brief History of Common | Home Canning Jars - Until 1858, canning jars used a glass jar, a tin | flat lid, and sealing wax, which was not reusable and messy! - John L. | Mason, invented the mason jar.- a glass container with a thread molded | into its top and a zinc lid with a rubber ring. The rubber created the | seal, and the threaded lid maintained it. - Clamped Glass-Lid Jars | (Lightning Jars) - Atlas Jars - Ball Jars - Kerr Jars - Mr. Kerr later | (1915) invented a smaller, flat metal disk with the same permanent | composition gasket. The lid sealed on the top of a mason jar; a threaded | metal ring held the lid down during the hot water processing. The jar we | know today was born! | | | I'm a big pressure cooker cooking dude/fan, but I don't do any pressure | cooker canning. | Might be because there was no pressure needed for canning in a Kerr jar. What suction created was due to the heat expanding the content of the jar which was sealed AFTER the jar and content were brought to thermal equilibrium at the temp of boiling water. From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 00:13:58 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 11 23:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "POP" | > | > Don't know about zone alarm but you can set up AVG to | > update | > | > the virus defs automatically once a day. Just go to the AVG | > | > Control Center and click | > | ... | > | | > | Zone Alarm too, sort of: IF this pastes readable, here's the | > | Help page text: | > | | > | Setting update options | > | | > | When you purchase Zone Labs security software you receive a | > year | > | of free updates. You can check for updates manually, or set | > Zone | > | Labs security software to check automatically. | > | | > | To set check for update settings: | > | Select Overview|Preferences. | > | In the Check for Updates area, choose an update option. | > | Automatically- Zone Labs security software | > | automatically -notifies - you when an update is available. | > | | > | Manually -You monitor the Status tab for updates. To invoke | > an | > | update check immediately, click Check for Update. | > | > | > Does the pro version contain the option to 'check as soon as | > the system is | > on line?' I ask as she does not use the system often and there | > is no | > practical way to predict a fixed time when an up date should be | > skeducled. | > Which rases a question is there another program that would do | > the up date | > task for every think base on say once a week whereever she | > might be on line? | > | > | | No, I don't think ZA will fit that exact description. Not with | total non-intervention as you're looking for anyway. If you | really want to find out what could be done, check out their | forums; seems to be a good bunch there the few times I've | visited, mostly out of curiousity before I paid for ZA. I like | to get dirty laundry before I spend my bucks whenever I can . | Norton would, sort of, I'm pretty sure, but you've already | ruled that out. I know their av works as you described, but only | within reason. | One thing to keep in mind when you want it to check & d/l | install without hesitation like that: NO apps that I know of | will do it exactly that way. They all try to work in the | background as much as reasonable in order to stay out of the | user's way, so use of the computer will lengthen the time it | takes to find and download, then install such updates. My Norton | av comes close, but even it stays out of my way if I'm busy as | soon as I connect. Having DSL helps that, but it's still a | process that requires a finite amount of time. | That said, I guess you could mess around with the task | priorities, but I'd worry about getting complaints that it's | slowing things down when she first gets online. | At one time she though dial up was FAST. Recall she grew up in a time when the post man rode a horse. From none at domain.invalid Thu May 11 21:38:32 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Thu May 11 23:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG > (free) > without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that > updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying for the > software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and > McAfee and was not pleased) > > She's on Charter Cable broadband and has a high end HP computer and XP. > She > also has a 15" lap top accessing via a wireless AP. > > Suggestions please and I'm open to up grades and other options as may be > appropriate. 1) Set her up behind a NAT router with SPI (Stateful Packet Inspection) firewall. That's the best protection you can give her against unsolicited WAN connections. A software firewall can't even begin to compare with a hardware firewall. I've seen both the Sygate and ZoneAlarm firewalls cracked from the WAN side. I recommend either Hawking or Linksys routers. 2) Tell her the only time she should use Internet Explorer is when she's manually checking for Windows Updates. The rest of the time, she should use Firefox, with the following extensions: AdBlock AdBlock Filterset.G Updater NoScript RefControl Javascript Options Google Safe Browsing SiteAdvisor (get this from SiteAdvisor.com) Set up NoScript so all the sites she regularly visits (and trusts) are allowed to use scripting, if they require it, and instruct her that under NO circumstances should she click the 'Allow Scripts Globally' option. Set up RefControl to spoof the Referrer for all sites. This makes it impossible for sites to track where she surfs, yet still allows sites that do Referer checking to function. Set up Javascript Options to lock down what Javascript is and is not allowed to do. Since running the whole machine as a Normal User, Untrusted User, or Constrained User is nearly impossible in most cases (most software assumes you'll be running in an Administrator context), let her run as Administrator, and drop program privileges for all internet-facing programs (browser, email, IM, etc.) using the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/security/securecode/columns/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dncode/html/secure11152004.asp It's called DropMyRights, made by Microsoft. You set up internet-facing programs thusly: For instance, for Firefox: Create a duplicate Firefox icon on the desktop. Right-click, select 'Properties' and change the 'Target' line thusly: "C:\Program Files\DropRights\DropMyRights.exe" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" So: Administrator context: "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" Normal User context: "C:\Program Files\DropRights\DropMyRights.exe" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" Constrained User context: "C:\Program Files\DropRights\DropMyRights.exe" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" C I installed DropMyRights to a different directory than the default. I suggest you follow my example when installing DropMyRights, it makes it easier to find DropMyRights and makes for a shorter 'Target' line. The biggest change in program privileges occurs with the change from Administrator to Normal User, and most programs run just fine as Normal User (whereas they may have problems as Constrained User), and that'll prevent drive-by downloads of viruses and spyware. Instruct her that she'll see a black window pop up and disappear just prior to the internet-facing program starting. She shouldn't be alarmed by this... this is the DropMyRights program, stripping privileges from the internet-facing program to protect her machine. If she sees that black window pop up, she knows she's safer than connecting to the 'net as an Administrator. 3) Download the following anti-adware/anti-spyware tools: Windows Defender (from Microsoft) A-Squared (from EmsiSoft) SpyBot Search & Destroy Ad-Aware Windows Defender will scan and update automatically each day. You can set up Spybot Search & Destroy to scan automatically each day and to update automatically, as well. For the other two, set up the Task Scheduler to start them once a week. She'll have to click a few buttons to run them, but she won't have to remember to run them. Conversely, you can skip scheduling them, and run them manually when you visit her. 4) For antivirus, you can't beat AVG. For home users, it's even free. It's got the best virus-detection ratio, it's unobtrusive, light on system resources, easy to use, and just works. 5) Set up her wireless AP with WPA encryption (if her laptop can handle it... 128-bit WEP if it can't handle WPA). This will keep war drivers and bandwidth thieves out of her network, and prevent anyone from hijacking her computers via the wireless connection. I've seen computer hard drives filled with child porn, and set up with web servers... all installed via unsecured wireless connections by spamming scumbags, so it's critical that you secure her wireless connection. 6) Change the WorkGroup name from the default. Set up each computer with the same WorkGroup name, so she can share files between her computers on her network. Set up each computer with log-in passwords and disable the Guest account if it's enabled. If she's averse to having to log in each time she boots, you can set it up to auto-login. 7) Set up a Task Scheduler schedule to Process Idle Tasks (Google for it) once a week... that'll start up the defrag, so her drives stay defragged. Also schedule a disk cleanup like so: Start >> Run >> cleanmgr /sageset:1 Click all the options available in the dialog box that comes up. Click OK. Set up a Task Scheduler schedule to run cleanmgr /sagerun:1 That'll clean up junk files on her drive automatically. 8) For the software firewall... you've got a few options. For people who always seem to acquire spyware, I install either Sygate or ZoneAlarm (Sygate if they're computer-clueful, ZoneAlarm otherwise). For those who never seem to acquire spyware, I utilize the built-in WinXP firewall. Since she's behind a hardware firewall, and using a more secure browser, it'll be more difficult for her to acquire malware. If you instruct her on safe computing practices, and she takes your instruction to heart, she'll never see spyware / adware / viruses again. That's about it... that makes her machine more secure, and it pretty much takes care of itself. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 11 23:49:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 01:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I'm a big pressure cooker cooking dude/fan, but I don't do any >> pressure cooker canning. >> > > Might be because there was no pressure needed for canning in a Kerr > jar. What suction created was due to the heat expanding the content > of the jar which was sealed AFTER the jar and content were brought to > thermal equilibrium at the temp of boiling water. Here's an article which explains why and how pressure cookers are used for canning. http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/canningfoods/a/082900_3.htm Step by step instructions for pressure cooker canning Actually the article begins back here http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/canningfoods/a/082900.htm Learn to Can - The Basics - Basics of canning foods in a boiling water bath or pressure cooker -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 08:11:05 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 08:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e40epb$5ln$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I'm a big pressure cooker cooking dude/fan, but I don't do any pressure > cooker canning. > Taking the thread and wandering with it .... I got a pressure cooker this year and it really is the neatest thing ... have no idea why it took me this long to get one. I 'put up' stuff once every two years and that would be peach chutney. It never occured to me to use a pressure cooker but rather borrow the canning pot from the gal next door for my bi-annual adventure and when I am done it reminds me of how much fussing around it really takes to do preserves and how hot the kitchen gets while doing it and how I manage to get fruit/sugar/juice/mess from one end of the kitchen to the other and how awed I am at people who do this frequently and then share :-) Dragging the thread back OT -- if she wants to pay for stuff she can pay for AVG it would appear. I also notice that MS Antispyware Scan seems to run automagically on one of my laptops -- anyone have any idea how to turn it off? or on for my other systems? Or if it is any good? (Yeah that laptop was installed by someone else which always annoys me but anyway ....) Ellen From joegill at removethis Fri May 12 10:24:30 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri May 12 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: > Dragging the thread back OT -- if she wants to pay for stuff she can pay > for > AVG it would appear. I also notice that MS Antispyware Scan seems to run > automagically on one of my laptops -- anyone have any idea how to turn it > off? or on for my other systems? Or if it is any good? (Yeah that laptop > was installed by someone else which always annoys me but anyway ....) > > > Ellen > There are 2 versions running out there (MS Antispyware)... Both have 'Control Panels' ... V1 you can click on from the system tray Later version of V2 you can click from the system tray Earlier version of V2 you have to start the program Rummage around and there all sorts of setting to change.... Curious as to why you want to turn it off? It has been a GREAT tool.... In one instance it did cleaned up a bad situation that a combination of (Norton, Ad*aware, and Spybot) were oblivious too! I install it on all PC I cleanup, touch! By the way, if you are running the product called "Microsoft Antispyware" which is V1, you may like V2 "Windows Defender" even better.... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 09:13:39 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 11:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I'm a big pressure cooker cooking dude/fan, but I don't do any >> pressure cooker canning. >> > > Taking the thread and wandering with it .... I got a pressure cooker > this year and it really is the neatest thing ... have no idea why it > took me this long to get one. You'll find that creating recipes for your pressure cooker is great fun. You start with following the guidelines provided by the recipes which typically come with the cooker or in pressure cookbooks, because almost all cooktimes are drastically reduced, so those adjustments need to be made from your normal and previous cooking experiences. Then you build your own recipe ideas from the 'elements' of how to cook various vegetables or meats or whatever and adjusted for what you like. Some things are greatly reduced in cooking time, like dried beans from scratch, while others, like rice, aren't affected very much. But the 'difficult' rices, like brown or wild [which is actually grass seed] are helped a lot by the cooker. Since I like rice a lot and like different cooking time rices together, I have a technique for two staging my rices in a metal container inside the cooker. Sorta like you would cook rice in the oven. One of the reasons I like to build my own recipes is because I don't like to spend a lot of time with prep or cleanup -- or with the actual cooking for that matter. So I design my recipes to be as painless and lazy as possible. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 12:16:37 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Fri May 12 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e40bc7$3k2$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e4052r$vf4$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > | >> How about 'so that I won't be so much trouble to you all the time' ? > | > > | > That's a possibility but we're over there on the slightest whim > | > regardless. If she sees my light on early in the morning I'll get a > | > phone call 'biscuits are just coming out of the oven and coffee is > | > hot' > | > | > | Well, the cable modem folks would kinda like to be able to update cable > | modem firmware in the wee hours of the morning whenever they feel like > | it and they rather prefer that the cable modem be on all the time. > | Their suggestion is that if the cable modem owner doesn't feel > | comfortable with the 'exposure' that they should push the standby button > | if they have one - which effectively disconnects the modem from the > | computer while leaving the modem in the cableco's network and accessible > | to updating. > > In that regard I've managed to hide the cable modem where she does not > notice that it's on 24/7 but not for the benifit of the cable company just > that I don't want to have to deal with the inevatable resets required from > on/off cycling. > | *** Interesting aside re the 'always on' modem and router. There have been several times that the always on router or modem would quit responding - called the ISP and they said that they SHOULD be turned off then on periodically (once every month or so, same as an always on windows computer needs to be reset periodically.) Seems the programs that make them work become corrupted over time and have to be reloaded from the firmware. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > | > As example she will often gift > | > us with homemade preserves etc (did I mention she is a terrific > | > scratch cook?) but if I don't bring back the Kerr Jars in a timely > | > fashion I'm put on 'allocation'. > | > | I completely understand that position and support it wholeheartedly. > | What are you going to be doing with *her* Mason jars and tops after > | you're done with the goodies inside anyway? ;-) > > I do as she ask (I'm also the son of depression era parents/grandparents) > but mention that only by way of explanation. > > From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 12:48:05 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 14:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: anon wrote: >> "Mike Easter" >>> Well, the cable modem folks would kinda like to be able to update >>> cable modem firmware in the wee hours of the morning whenever they >>> feel like it and they rather prefer that the cable modem be on all >>> the time. > Interesting aside re the 'always on' modem and router. > > There have been several times that the always on router or modem > would quit responding - called the ISP and they said that they SHOULD > be turned off then on periodically (once every month or so, same as > an always on windows computer needs to be reset periodically.) > > Seems the programs that make them work become corrupted over time and > have to be reloaded from the firmware. The business of using reset for my cable modem or my switch router is part of my strategy for troubleshooting when something isn't working right, depending upon where I've isolated the problem. My cable modem has a 'tedious' little tiny hole which conceals the reset mechanism, so it is easier to pull its plug and powerdown than push the reset with an unfolded large paperclip. My switchrouter I also use the powerdown technique with its little external powersupply -- and on one occasion so far its firmware has become corrupt and needed to be flashed. Flashing a switchrouter's firmware is kinda 'cute' and a different technique than flashing a BIOS rom. But I've never heard a tech advise routinely resetting either one. Reset it if it needs resetting, not if it doesn't, I would say. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 12 21:04:39 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri May 12 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e42l93$esc$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon wrote: >>> "Mike Easter" > > My cable modem has a 'tedious' little tiny hole which conceals the reset > mechanism, so it is easier to pull its plug and powerdown than push the > reset with an unfolded large paperclip. > > My switchrouter I also use the powerdown technique with its little > external powersupply -- and on one occasion so far its firmware has > become corrupt and needed to be flashed. Flashing a switchrouter's > firmware is kinda 'cute' and a different technique than flashing a BIOS > rom. > > But I've never heard a tech advise routinely resetting either one. > Reset it if it needs resetting, not if it doesn't, I would say. Hmm... Interestingly, my ADSL modem has an on-off switch but the router it's connected to doesn't - it has one of those horrible push-a-pin-in thingies. I can't actually remember the last time I had to reset either of them though - some time last year at least...... But I *have* had to reset them several times since purchase. :-( From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 14:09:15 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 15:45:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:e422a6$2p8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > There are 2 versions running out there (MS Antispyware)... > Both have 'Control Panels' ... > V1 you can click on from the system tray > Later version of V2 you can click from the system tray > Earlier version of V2 you have to start the program > > Rummage around and there all sorts of setting to change.... > > Curious as to why you want to turn it off? > > It has been a GREAT tool.... > > In one instance it did cleaned up a bad situation that a combination of > (Norton, Ad*aware, and Spybot) were oblivious too! > I install it on all PC I cleanup, touch! > > By the way, if you are running the product called "Microsoft Antispyware" > which is V1, you may like V2 "Windows Defender" even better.... > Thanks -- not so much adamant about turning it off exactly as to curious as to where it appeared from and why it was enabled automatically -- and I suppose getting the daily stupid message box that I have to close. The silly thing is that it is running on the one laptop that has no mail app installed and never sightsees the internet while not on my other machines. Which by some random neural pathways reminds me that my daughter's laptop (not on my lan) has managed to acquire sysprotect and she can't seem to get rid of it. Had her do a deinstall; ran adawre, spybot and hijackthis and nothing interesting showed up. She says she is getting random popups -- I haven't seen it personally cause she can't manage to remember to bring the laptop over. So now I am sort of befuddled. I think it is more of a nuisance thing rather than a menace, but I would like to get rid of it for her without resorting to format drive/start all over again. While she is bascially computer ignorant she has learned to follow directions very well and I was able to talk her thru all of the above and she did produce a hijackthis logfile. At this point it has been suggested that I poke around the registry which I really do not want to have to do with her over the phone or via email so before I insist that her laptop appear in front of me, if anyone has any suggestions I am all ears .... Ellen From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 14:25:54 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 15:45:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e428n0$6q2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You'll find that creating recipes for your pressure cooker is great fun. > You start with following the guidelines provided by the recipes which > typically come with the cooker or in pressure cookbooks, because almost > all cooktimes are drastically reduced, so those adjustments need to be > made from your normal and previous cooking experiences. nod > > Then you build your own recipe ideas from the 'elements' of how to cook > various vegetables or meats or whatever and adjusted for what you like. > Some things are greatly reduced in cooking time, like dried beans from > scratch, while others, like rice, aren't affected very much. But the > 'difficult' rices, like brown or wild [which is actually grass seed] are > helped a lot by the cooker. Since I like rice a lot and like different > cooking time rices together, I have a technique for two staging my rices > in a metal container inside the cooker. Sorta like you would cook rice > in the oven. I really do like it for dried beans and also because I can have a mad idea to have something for dinner that normally takes a couple or so hours of cooking and start at 6 and have it for dinner before bedtime. Hrmm I always make rice in the rice cooker and somehow we pretty much have only basmati rice 99% of the time. I will try brown rice in the pressure cooker tho cause it doesn't do that well in the rice cooker -- or didn't last time I tried it. > > One of the reasons I like to build my own recipes is because I don't > like to spend a lot of time with prep or cleanup -- or with the actual > cooking for that matter. So I design my recipes to be as painless and > lazy as possible. It's strange -- when I had to drive back and forth to work I was more tolerant of prep and long cooking times. Now that I telecommute and am actually around to theoretically putter around in the kitchen, I hate it. If it takes more than 15 minutes of prep or 45 minutes or an hour to cook or requires more than two dirty pots I'm just not interested ... Intuitively this makes no sense at all. I am a sort of "follow the recipe except when I don't" (which is most of the time) person -- except for cakes and certain breads. But yes, once you use it a few times for various types of foods so that you get an understanding of the timing then doing your own recipes is pretty easy. I made the best corned beef I have ever made using the pressure cooker which means that instead of making it once a year and having the family stare at it and go "oh, corned beef" I can now plan to make it more regularly and they say "OH CORNED BEEF!!!!" For the life of me, I can't figure out why I didn't buy one of these years ago -- I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having the old fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The new models seem to be easier to deal with. I vaguely remembered my mom having one when I was very young and then she stopped using it and so I finally got around to asking her a few months ago why she stopped. She said that the jiggle thing broke or something and she couldn't afford to buy a new one at that time and then somehow never got around to it and still regrets that she never did :-) Ellen From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 14:10:18 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 16:15:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> rice a lot and like different cooking time rices together, I have a >> technique for two staging my rices in a metal container inside the >> cooker. Sorta like you would cook rice in the oven. That rice 'bowl' is a stainless mixing bowl that fits very nicely into the cooker. The cooker has a little plate with holes in it [cooking rack] which is used for such as canning to get the stainless bowl off the bottom of the cooker. So, I put some water in the cooker with the rack, and I put the dry rice into the stainless bowl with its homemade chicken broth [which I make in the cooker and freeze; that's another story, that stuff is *awesome*] and some rice cooking ingredients. If I were only going to do something like the basmati instead of 2 stage [which technique I may revise, because the white rice stage may be a waste of time] then I would only adjust the cooking time a little tad and the water a little tad. > I really do like it for dried beans and also because I can have a mad > idea to have something for dinner that normally takes a couple or so > hours of cooking and start at 6 and have it for dinner before bedtime. I have this 'pork and bean' recipe I love. Naturally it bears no resemblance to Campbells and there is no tomato or sugar whatsoever. Some dried pinto beans 'imported' from Texas or CO because Texicans and such know great pinto beans and there are wondermous pinto bean farms in Colorado and Tx. The pork roast gets browned on the grill outside briefly before I cut it up for the cooker. Some serious local CA heat with seranos [those slick green guys, slice 'em up, whole thing, a lot] and some other pepper ideas. Yumm. > Hrmm I always make rice in the rice cooker and somehow we pretty much > have only basmati rice 99% of the time. I will try brown rice in the > pressure cooker tho cause it doesn't do that well in the rice cooker > -- or didn't last time I tried it. It cooks slower than the rice cooker thinks it should. I have a rice cooker I never use, as most of the time I just cook white rice in a pot on the stove. Naturally it *must* be made from my personal chicken broth which is so 'viscous' that when it is cold it gels and the floating fat has already been removed. The rice cooking is all about perfect timing with perfect heat and precisely the right amount of water and no peeking or uncertainty about the equation. "Trust me, I'm going to turn out all right." I suppose the rice cooker is supposed to know how to do that, but somewhere along the way I developed my own formula and I don't want to mess with experimenting all over again. > I made the best corned beef I have ever made using the > pressure cooker Oh yeah. The cooker makes that a piece of cake. I've done it with just the corned beef, and with cabbage added [2 stage] and I forget how I did the one with the potatoes. > I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having > the old fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The one we had when I was a kid was 'dangerous' because it didn't have the safety features of the modern ones. Ours had the pressure gizmo _affixed_ to the top and no other releases. If it 'jammed' or failed closed, you were cruisin' for a bruisin' when whatever finally blew, because the top was locked on. My current one the top is just weight. If the hole inside were to get stopped up with something, there's a plastic release hole which will blow out. Also, the way the handle/top works is another safety feature, which can sometimes need some 'manipulating' if the safety feature doesn't want to let you open the top when it should. > She said that the jiggle thing broke or something and she > couldn't afford to buy a new one at that time and then somehow never > got around to it and still regrets that she never did :-) Your mom's was newer than the one we had. Ours didn't 'jiggle' - it was severely attached to the top and designed to leak when a pressure was reached. It could fail open or it could fail closed or it could fail by being inaccurate. Not nearly as nifty as the jigglers. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 18:00:43 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 17:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e42q37$ieq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I have this 'pork and bean' recipe I love. Naturally it bears no > resemblance to Campbells and there is no tomato or sugar whatsoever. > Some dried pinto beans 'imported' from Texas or CO because Texicans and > such know great pinto beans and there are wondermous pinto bean farms in > Colorado and Tx. The pork roast gets browned on the grill outside > briefly before I cut it up for the cooker. Some serious local CA heat > with seranos [those slick green guys, slice 'em up, whole thing, a lot] > and some other pepper ideas. Yumm. sound delish -- the closest supermarket has a pretty large Hispanic population shopping there so I will go get some pinto beans there :-) So you throw in the chunks of browned pork, the beans, some amt of water, spices and then cook for how long? > > It cooks slower than the rice cooker thinks it should. I have a rice > cooker I never use, as most of the time I just cook white rice in a pot > on the stove. Naturally it *must* be made from my personal chicken > broth which is so 'viscous' that when it is cold it gels and the > floating fat has already been removed. love the sound of that chicken broth :-) so you cook it way down? > >> I made the best corned beef I have ever made using the >> pressure cooker > > Oh yeah. The cooker makes that a piece of cake. I've done it with just > the corned beef, and with cabbage added [2 stage] and I forget how I did > the one with the potatoes. Ugh now how did I do that -- I forget when I added the potatoes and carrots but definitely the cabbage was stage 2 (or maybe 3) ... but the bottom line was the corned beef was tender and not stringy and did not shrink up to some little depressing blob of meat and it didn't take half the day ! > > My current one the top is just weight. If the hole inside were to get > stopped up with something, there's a plastic release hole which will > blow out. Also, the way the handle/top works is another safety feature, > which can sometimes need some 'manipulating' if the safety feature > doesn't want to let you open the top when it should. I got the expensive one -- Kuhn Rikon -- was on sale at amazon, and they had an open an amzon CC and get $25 or $30 off so that made sense and then about 2 or 3 mths later sent me a $20 coupon thing so it turned out to be remarkably cheap and no shipping and no tax. Seems to be designed to not blow up all over the kitchen :-) And the cookbook that came with it has some good recipes. Ellen From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 15:25:18 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Fri May 12 17:30:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:e40vr4$f5i$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG >> (free) >> without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that >> updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying for the >> software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and >> McAfee and was not pleased) >> > > 4) For antivirus, you can't beat AVG. For home users, it's even free. It's > got the best virus-detection ratio, it's unobtrusive, light on system > resources, easy to use, and just works. > AVG may be a free download but there is a $20-$30 'signup' fee to be paid at the sites before you can download the program. - There IS a 'free' older version but who wants an older antivirus program? I do not see anything about updating the virus definitions on any of the sites. Again there is an annual or a lifetime fee to enter the site. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin From joegill at removethis Fri May 12 19:04:14 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri May 12 18:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:e42oce$hd2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Joe Gill" wrote in message > news:e422a6$2p8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> There are 2 versions running out there (MS Antispyware)... >> Both have 'Control Panels' ... >> V1 you can click on from the system tray >> Later version of V2 you can click from the system tray >> Earlier version of V2 you have to start the program >> >> Rummage around and there all sorts of setting to change.... >> >> Curious as to why you want to turn it off? >> >> It has been a GREAT tool.... >> >> In one instance it did cleaned up a bad situation that a combination of >> (Norton, Ad*aware, and Spybot) were oblivious too! >> I install it on all PC I cleanup, touch! >> >> By the way, if you are running the product called "Microsoft Antispyware" >> which is V1, you may like V2 "Windows Defender" even better.... >> > > Thanks -- not so much adamant about turning it off exactly as to curious > as to where it appeared from and why it was enabled automatically -- and I > suppose getting the daily stupid message box that I have to close. The > silly thing is that it is running on the one laptop that has no mail app > installed and never sightsees the internet while not on my other machines. > > Which by some random neural pathways reminds me that my daughter's laptop > (not on my lan) has managed to acquire sysprotect and she can't seem to > get rid of it. Had her do a deinstall; ran adawre, spybot and hijackthis > and nothing interesting showed up. She says she is getting random > popups -- I haven't seen it personally cause she can't manage to remember > to bring the laptop over. So now I am sort of befuddled. I think it is > more of a nuisance thing rather than a menace, but I would like to get rid > of it for her without resorting to format drive/start all over again. > While she is bascially computer ignorant she has learned to follow > directions very well and I was able to talk her thru all of the above and > she did produce a hijackthis logfile. > > At this point it has been suggested that I poke around the registry which > I really do not want to have to do with her over the phone or via email so > before I insist that her laptop appear in front of me, if anyone has any > suggestions I am all ears .... > > Ellen > 1) For the 'popup' , no registry change needed, there is an option to run a 'scan' at a specific time. When that 'pop-up' occurs, there is a check-box, something like 'Don't show me this again'..... 2) This proves you are running V1! 3) Since it is in 'beta' status, someone had to take deliberate action to download/install it! 4) Very soon, when it 'sees' the internet, you will start getting 'nags' to upgrade' to the next beta version. 5) If you don't want it, just unistall from Control Panel! 6) But again... it is a very useful product! 7) Version 2, does not produce a report or nag... 8) I know you said "has managed to acquire sysprotect and she can't seem to get rid of it".... Sysprotect is nasty and hard to get rid of it..... Yes, Adaware(Free) and Spybot are oblivious to it! What did the latest version of Microsoft AntiSpyware(aka Windows Defender) find? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri May 12 16:04:43 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri May 12 18:05:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > sound delish -- the closest supermarket has a pretty large Hispanic > population shopping there so I will go get some pinto beans there :-) > So you throw in the chunks of browned pork, the beans, some amt of > water, spices and then cook for how long? There are no easy answers from Easter. 12-15 mins depending on the soaked condition and how you are going to handle the cooldown, with or without a quench. See below the wordiness. For some reason right now I'm just finding my pork and blackeyes recipe -- which is different because the blackeyes cook faster than the pintos and don't require soaking- but I'll use the blackeye recipe and 'adjust' to the best of my recollection for the pintos. That recipe is made with 4# country pork strips, 3 onions, 7 garlic cloves, 5 seranos, and a pound of blackeyes, plus seasonings like celery seed, ground peppercorns & dried red peppers, a touch of liquid smoke [watch out!]. Brown the pork strips, cut it into 3" pieces, use about 4 cups of water and it all cooks up in 12 min [slow cool, no quench]. That won't work for the pintos, I don't think. Here's another blackeye one with bacon, broth, and okra. Here's my blackbean soup. Okay, I'm not finding a pinto pork recipe; I'm just going to think out this pinto business. With the black beans, since they are so tough, the way I do them is to bring the dry blackbeans to a boil *and* let them soak overnight [or 36h] in the fridge before I start their cooker excursion and they are cooked longer than the blackeyes. Naturally you don't have to do any of that soaking with the blackeyes. With the pintos, I think the way I recall handling it was to bring them to a boil first and then to just let them soak for an hour, and I've also done it without that step. The business of pre-preparation for the beans depends on what you and your family thinks about how to deal with the indigestible sugars in beans. Personally, I like the taste of bean 'juice' and I don't like to throw away juice from bean soakings -- so if you don't remove any soaking water from the beans you are going to have to use Beanos somewhere along the way or suffer the consequences. If you are a person/cook who believes in soaking beans and discarding the soak water the strategy should be adjusted for that. The most common fast routine for that would be to be to bring the pintos to a boil and then let them soak and hour or so and throw away that water. That will eliminate most of the need for Beanos. Other people would soakd them overnight and discard. Some use the pressure cooker for the pre-cook, but I've never done that. So, I would perform some beansoak, quick or long and you deal with discarding the soak water or not, depending on your family's pref. Now about the cooking time. If the beans are very soaked using quick or long formulas, you can go to the short 12 min side of the equation, but then I would not quench at all, but just let it cool naturally. The business about quenching I use for fresh vegetables and things that can overcook very easily. In the quenching, when the cooking time is done, I immediately set my full pressure cooker on a low metalrack in the sink [my sink is big enough to accommodate the cooker and its handle] and use a little spray hose to hose down the top until it loses all of its pressure and then I open the cooker immediately as soon as the safety feature of the handle will let me. Maybe I'll twiddle the jiggler to see what's up or not with the pressure.. The business about non-quenching for longer cooking and meats [and sometimes beans or even wild rice] and such is to just let the pressure go down with the heat off. That means the prep is cooking all that time but at a diminishing rate that the temp and pressure are gradually going down. Big difference from quenching. > love the sound of that chicken broth :-) so you cook it way down? No. I'll have to tell that story another time. I use a recipe called poached chicken plus stock which starts with a whole chicken which ends up as boned chicken, some fresh vegetables which are utterly destroyed by all the cooking but their flavor lives on, and a lot of water. So then you cook the chicken and vegetables and water for 9 minutes and let it cool naturally. When you can handle the chicken, you remove all the meat and save it for another purpose and remove the skin from the broth batch. That leaves the bones and the overcooked vegetable pulps and the broth that is just beginning to seriously develop. Then you put the top back on and cook up that whole shebang for another 30 minutes and then let it cool naturally again. That is those bones and the intensification of the vegetable 'notes' all getting to know each other amidst the chicken flavor. Then you fish out all the bones [the little disintegrated ones I've experimented with just blending instead of fishing out every little one] and the vegetable parts that aren't smithereens and let it cool in the fridge so you can scoop off the fat that comes to the top. The broth that is left is like aspic -- it is jelled in the refrigerator and you have about 6 cups of it. I divvy it into 2 cup aliquots and put it in baggies and freeze it for using in such as rice. 6 cups of broth per 1 chicken and a few vegetables. Not a bad price for that broth. That boned poached chicken can also be used in a lot of things. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From none at domain.invalid Fri May 12 16:41:16 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Fri May 12 18:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:e42ug1$l6p$1@news.spamcop.net... > AVG may be a free download but there is a $20-$30 'signup' fee to be > paid at the sites before you can download the program. - There IS a > 'free' older version but who wants an older antivirus program? > > I do not see anything about updating the virus definitions on any of the > sites. Again there is an annual or a lifetime fee to enter the site. Then you're going to the wrong site... and probably getting something other than the legitimate AVG antivirus program... in other words, if you downloaded anything from the site you mention, you've probably got a virus or spyware now. The correct site: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5 That's the latest version. AVG automatically updates the virus definition files once a day, for free. There's a comparison of the commercial and free AVG antivirus programs here: http://www.grisoft.com/filedir/presale/cmpsheets/mm_pfp_cmp_us_1_20050726.pdf From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 20:22:11 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 19:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:e42ug1$l6p$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Anonymous" wrote in message | news:e40vr4$f5i$1@news.spamcop.net... | > "Frog Prince" wrote in message | > news:e3u3fj$nva$1@news.spamcop.net... | >> I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG | >> (free) | >> without incident for some time but is wants her system set up so that | >> updates etc are done automatically. She does not mind paying for the | >> software but I don;t know what to recommend. (FWIW She tried Norton and | >> McAfee and was not pleased) | >> | | | > | > 4) For antivirus, you can't beat AVG. For home users, it's even free. It's | > got the best virus-detection ratio, it's unobtrusive, light on system | > resources, easy to use, and just works. | > | | AVG may be a free download but there is a $20-$30 'signup' fee to be paid at | the sites before you can download the program. - There IS a 'free' older | version but who wants an older antivirus program? | | I do not see anything about updating the virus definitions on any of the | sites. Again there is an annual or a lifetime fee to enter the site. | | -- I down loaded two new installs of AVG last night and did not run into the need for $30 sign up fee. Perhaps you found an off system site that does that with free software in the fasion of some of the DLL download sites. From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 20:26:02 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 19:40:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Ellen" | Hrmm I always make rice in the rice cooker and somehow we pretty much have | only basmati rice 99% of the time. I will try brown rice in the pressure | cooker tho cause it doesn't do that well in the rice cooker -- or didn't | last time I tried it. Pampered Chief has a plastice rice cooker that goes in the microwave. It's all we use now. From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 20:30:39 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 19:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e430po$mmi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > There are no easy answers from Easter. rotfl > > 12-15 mins depending on the soaked condition and how you are going to > handle the cooldown, with or without a quench. See below the wordiness. OK I don't usually do the water cooldown unless it is something that is really going to become way overcooked during the natural cooldown > So, I would perform some beansoak, quick or long and you deal with > discarding the soak water or not, depending on your family's pref. I discard ... without going into detail that works better around here ... > > Now about the cooking time. If the beans are very soaked using quick or > long formulas, you can go to the short 12 min side of the equation, but > then I would not quench at all, but just let it cool naturally. nod > > The business about quenching I use for fresh vegetables and things that > can overcook very easily. In the quenching, when the cooking time is > done, I immediately set my full pressure cooker on a low metalrack in > the sink [my sink is big enough to accommodate the cooker and its > handle] and use a little spray hose to hose down the top until it loses > all of its pressure and then I open the cooker immediately as soon as > the safety feature of the handle will let me. Maybe I'll twiddle the > jiggler to see what's up or not with the pressure.. I do the same thing without the metal rack ... amazing how fast that makes the pressure drop, I was astounded the first time I tried that > > > No. > > I'll have to tell that story another time. I use a recipe called > poached chicken plus stock which starts with a whole chicken which ends > up as boned chicken, some fresh vegetables which are utterly destroyed > by all the cooking but their flavor lives on, and a lot of water. So > then you cook the chicken and vegetables and water for 9 minutes and let > it cool naturally. When you can handle the chicken, you remove all the > meat and save it for another purpose and remove the skin from the broth > batch. That leaves the bones and the overcooked vegetable pulps and the > broth that is just beginning to seriously develop. Then you put the top > back on and cook up that whole shebang for another 30 minutes and then > let it cool naturally again. That is those bones and the > intensification of the vegetable 'notes' all getting to know each other > amidst the chicken flavor. Then you fish out all the bones [the little > disintegrated ones I've experimented with just blending instead of > fishing out every little one] and the vegetable parts that aren't > smithereens and let it cool in the fridge so you can scoop off the fat > that comes to the top. Ok interesting -- I have never done the "double cook" -- will try that next time > That boned poached chicken can also be used in a lot of things. nod -- chicken salad, sandwiches, casseroles, being pushed to the back of the fridge and forgotten and growing of interesting molds :-) Maybe we need a new newsgroup -- SC cooking :-) Thanks! E From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 20:35:38 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 19:40:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:e42ug1$l6p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > AVG may be a free download but there is a $20-$30 'signup' fee to be paid > at the sites before you can download the program. - There IS a 'free' > older version but who wants an older antivirus program? > > I do not see anything about updating the virus definitions on any of the > sites. Again there is an annual or a lifetime fee to enter the site. > Uh no -- I don;t know where you are looking but you can get it here: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5 Ellen From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Fri May 12 21:24:26 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Fri May 12 21:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e4364a$pqe$2@news.spamcop.net... > > "Ellen" > > | Hrmm I always make rice in the rice cooker and somehow we pretty much have > | only basmati rice 99% of the time. I will try brown rice in the pressure > | cooker tho cause it doesn't do that well in the rice cooker -- or didn't > | last time I tried it. > > Pampered Chief has a plastice rice cooker that goes in the microwave. It's > all we use now. > > hey, I thought this was geeks, not cooks ;-) From not at here.invalid Fri May 12 23:05:33 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Fri May 12 22:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e4364a$pqe$2@news.spamcop.net... > > > Pampered Chief has a plastice rice cooker that goes in the microwave. It's > all we use now. > > I have this fire engine red rice cooker that I bought years ago. It's the right size and does nothing interesting other than making rice. It's the perfect appliance :-) E From me at privacy.net Fri May 12 23:05:24 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 12 22:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Berny" wrote in message news:e43cga$tpc$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:e4364a$pqe$2@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Ellen" | > | > | Hrmm I always make rice in the rice cooker and somehow we pretty much | have | > | only basmati rice 99% of the time. I will try brown rice in the pressure | > | cooker tho cause it doesn't do that well in the rice cooker -- or didn't | > | last time I tried it. | > | > Pampered Chief has a plastice rice cooker that goes in the microwave. It's | > all we use now. | > | > | | hey, I thought this was geeks, not cooks ;-) Cooking for some is a technical issue and man does not live by bread alone. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Fri May 12 22:37:13 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat May 13 00:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:e432q1$nn0$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote in message > news:e42ug1$l6p$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> AVG may be a free download but there is a $20-$30 'signup' fee to be paid >> at the sites before you can download the program. - There IS a 'free' >> older version but who wants an older antivirus program? >> >> I do not see anything about updating the virus definitions on any of the >> sites. Again there is an annual or a lifetime fee to enter the site. > > Then you're going to the wrong site... and probably getting something > other than the legitimate AVG antivirus program... in other words, if you > downloaded anything from the site you mention, you've probably got a virus > or spyware now. > > The correct site: > http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5 > That's the latest version. > You are correct - I did not find THAT site. thanks. The others sure looked legitimate. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > AVG automatically updates the virus definition files once a day, for free. > > There's a comparison of the commercial and free AVG antivirus programs > here: > http://www.grisoft.com/filedir/presale/cmpsheets/mm_pfp_cmp_us_1_20050726.pdf > From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Sat May 13 14:20:54 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Sat May 13 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote on Wed, 10 May 2006 21:19:36 -0400: > I've a neighbor lady that has been using zone alarm (free_ and AVG > (free) without incident for some time but is wants her system set up > so that updates etc are done automatically. http://dealing-with-spam.info/part02.html ZoneAlarm is fine and, altough nothing will be able to get into the PC from the outside with the router there, the software firewall will still alert her to something downloaded by the browser or whatever trying to "phone home". I've heard good things about AVG. Nothing but bad things about Norton, speaking of which, you'll pretty much have to reinstall Windows in order to remove the traces that it has smeared all over the registry. From user at domain.invalid Sat May 13 08:37:08 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sat May 13 08:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12.05.2006 12:25, Ellen wrote: --- Original Message --- > For the life of me, I can't figure out why I didn't buy one of these years > ago -- I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having the old > fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The new models > seem to be easier to deal with. I vaguely remembered my mom having one when > I was very young and then she stopped using it and so I finally got around > to asking her a few months ago why she stopped. She said that the jiggle > thing broke or something and she couldn't afford to buy a new one at that > time and then somehow never got around to it and still regrets that she > never did :-) > > > Ellen >From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with those things?" 8-) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 10:32:09 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 10:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: User did pass the time by typing: > On 12.05.2006 12:25, Ellen wrote: >> For the life of me, I can't figure out why I didn't buy one of these years >> ago -- I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having the old >> fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The new models >> seem to be easier to deal with. I vaguely remembered my mom having one when >> I was very young and then she stopped using it and so I finally got around >> to asking her a few months ago why she stopped. She said that the jiggle >> thing broke or something and she couldn't afford to buy a new one at that >> time and then somehow never got around to it and still regrets that she >> never did :-) > From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with > those things?" 8-) Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try using one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually edible. Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got that stain off the ceiling. :] -- DougW From joegill at removethis Sat May 13 11:34:48 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat May 13 10:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "D-W-S" wrote in message news:slrne6bg8m.22do.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... > > I've heard good things about AVG. Nothing but bad things about Norton, > speaking of which, you'll pretty much have to reinstall Windows in order > to remove the traces that it has smeared all over the registry. > In prior Norton version, I was able to download from their site a 'complete' cleaner, which systematically cleaned up all traces... You might want to hunt for that From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 10:45:57 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 10:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Joe Gill did pass the time by typing: > "D-W-S" wrote in message > news:slrne6bg8m.22do.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... >> >> I've heard good things about AVG. Nothing but bad things about Norton, >> speaking of which, you'll pretty much have to reinstall Windows in order >> to remove the traces that it has smeared all over the registry. >> > > In prior Norton version, I was able to download from their site a 'complete' > cleaner, which systematically cleaned up all traces... > You might want to hunt for that http://tinyurl.com/obogf That should get you there. -- DougW From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat May 13 08:57:02 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 13 11:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. The only thing similar about microwaves and pressure cookers is that they both shorten cooking time and they can both easily overcook food -- but the science of the cooking is entirely different as is the nature and process of the cooking and overcooking. > Try > using one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the > grill. http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html That link is for a cooker prepared lemon herbed chicken, but it doesn't have any advice about pre-cooking chicken prior to grilling. There's a lot of bad advice floating around the web about precooking chicken before grilling -- the worst are those which are designed to 'totally' cook the chicken by boiling prior to grilling. You can 'parboil' chicken before the grill or you can even 'par-roast' chicken before the grill, to say nothing of par-marinating, but it shouldn't be 'cooked' before it gets to the grill. I wouldn't use the cooker on chicken I'm going to grill -- the link you gave totally can totally cook those chicken pieces in 10 minutes at pressure. > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, > lets say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps > ever got that stain off the ceiling. :] Eek! I can't imagine a child 'getting away' with removing the 'wibbly' at pressure without experiencing severe burns. If there were a full cooker of liquidy food at pressure, the release of pressure is going to result in all of that 'superheated' water in the pot to become steam, a lot of it, which is going to be severely burning, ie cooking the tender flesh attached to the little hand and arm and perhaps face, neck, and chest of the little wibbly remover. That risk should be totally circumvented somehow by a responsible pressure cook. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat May 13 12:33:00 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat May 13 12:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Mike Easter did pass the time by typing: > DougW wrote: > >> Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. > > The only thing similar about microwaves and pressure cookers is that > they both shorten cooking time and they can both easily overcook food -- > but the science of the cooking is entirely different as is the nature > and process of the cooking and overcooking. > >> Try >> using one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the >> grill. http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html > > That link is for a cooker prepared lemon herbed chicken, but it doesn't > have any advice about pre-cooking chicken prior to grilling. Yea, that was for fully cooking in the pressure cooker. If I'm going to move food to the grill for finishing it is usually just to put grill marks on the outside. >> Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, >> lets say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps >> ever got that stain off the ceiling. :] > > Eek! I can't imagine a child 'getting away' with removing the 'wibbly' > at pressure without experiencing severe burns. I got very lucky and was poking at it with a stick. > That risk should be totally circumvented somehow by a responsible > pressure cook. People tend to forget how fast they were as children. Thankfully the more modern pressure cookers no longer have the wibbly thing. The one I have just has a pop-up button/interlock and vent built into the handle. The old cooker doesn't even have a safety catch. -- DougW From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat May 13 11:07:34 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 13 13:10:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > I got very lucky and was poking at it with a stick. That reminds me of a stupid thing I did when I was a kid. We had a large whole house fan the size of an attic fan in a window which for some reason was plugged into an extension cord, and sometime I had 'observed' the plugging or unplugging of the running fan to create some sparks. I then 'spied' that the plug of the running fan barely showed the visible prongs of the plug, not being 100% engaged. Hmm. Same prong plugs that make the sparks. Neat. Hmm. May be dangerous. Better be careful. [If you're going to be stupid, you might as well be carefully stupid.] Let me see. Get two wooden pencils and a pair of scissors. [A pair of my mother's favorite scissors.] Open the scissors with the pencils in the finger holes and then carefully close the scissor blades onto the two barely exposed prongs. Snap! Pop! Sparks! Lots, but they didn't last long. Permanently damaged scissors and plug prongs, fan quietly coasts to a stop, power off in the house as the old fashioned fuse blew. >From somewhere else in the house, "Miii - kuuuul! What are you doing now? Are you all right?" That would be the same lady who had to climb to the top of a windmill amidst the whirling blades and changing vane in high and variable winds to fetch me down when I was really really little. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Sat May 13 16:28:31 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 13 15:35:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:e44js4$jeo$1@news.spamcop.net... | On 12.05.2006 12:25, Ellen wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > For the life of me, I can't figure out why I didn't buy one of these years | > ago -- I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having the old | > fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The new models | > seem to be easier to deal with. I vaguely remembered my mom having one when | > I was very young and then she stopped using it and so I finally got around | > to asking her a few months ago why she stopped. She said that the jiggle | > thing broke or something and she couldn't afford to buy a new one at that | > time and then somehow never got around to it and still regrets that she | > never did :-) | > | > | > Ellen | | From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with | those things?" 8-) >From way back in deep Cajun country -- yes and have for years. From me at privacy.net Sat May 13 16:31:16 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 13 15:35:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "DougW" wrote in message news:e44ql9$nbr$1@news.spamcop.net... | User did pass the time by typing: | > On 12.05.2006 12:25, Ellen wrote: | | >> For the life of me, I can't figure out why I didn't buy one of these years | >> ago -- I guess some memory of hearing people talk about having the old | >> fashioned ones "blow their gaskets" all over the kitchen. The new models | >> seem to be easier to deal with. I vaguely remembered my mom having one when | >> I was very young and then she stopped using it and so I finally got around | >> to asking her a few months ago why she stopped. She said that the jiggle | >> thing broke or something and she couldn't afford to buy a new one at that | >> time and then somehow never got around to it and still regrets that she | >> never did :-) | | > From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with | > those things?" 8-) | | Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try using | one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. | http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html | | They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually edible. | | Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets | say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got that | stain off the ceiling. :] Which is better than what I did as a kid. My dad had worked two 12s and I was worried that the steam pop noise would wake him so I managed to jam the relief valve. Ever see the effects of red beans strained through a 1/16 inch hole? From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat May 13 17:18:44 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat May 13 19:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e453ol$s71$1@news.spamcop.net... > DougW wrote: > >> I got very lucky and was poking at it with a stick. > > That reminds me of a stupid thing I did when I was a kid. > > without any air conditioning> > > We had a large whole house fan the size of an attic fan in a window > which for some reason was plugged into an extension cord, and sometime I > had 'observed' the plugging or unplugging of the running fan to create > some sparks. > > I then 'spied' that the plug of the running fan barely showed the > visible prongs of the plug, not being 100% engaged. Hmm. Same prong > plugs that make the sparks. Neat. > > Hmm. May be dangerous. Better be careful. [If you're going to be > stupid, you might as well be carefully stupid.] > > Let me see. Get two wooden pencils and a pair of scissors. [A pair of > my mother's favorite scissors.] Open the scissors with the pencils in > the finger holes and then carefully close the scissor blades onto the > two barely exposed prongs. > > Snap! Pop! Sparks! Lots, but they didn't last long. Permanently > damaged scissors and plug prongs, fan quietly coasts to a stop, power > off in the house as the old fashioned fuse blew. > > From somewhere else in the house, "Miii - kuuuul! What are you doing > now? Are you all right?" > > > That would be the same lady who had to climb to the top of a windmill > amidst the whirling blades and changing vane in high and variable winds > to fetch me down when I was really really little. > > Sound like you and one otter poster were the ones who did things with occupied outhouses at Halloween (and other times.) Akin the buggy on the roof. Or our modern geeks at Cal Tech (room full of balloons, assembled automobiles, you name it.) Only the really good ones hit the papers. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From not at here.invalid Sat May 13 13:19:59 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Sat May 13 19:30:01 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "DougW" wrote in message news:e44ql9$nbr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets > say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got that > stain off the ceiling. :] > rotfl E From not at here.invalid Sat May 13 20:35:43 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Sat May 13 19:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e453ol$s71$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Let me see. Get two wooden pencils and a pair of scissors. [A pair of > my mother's favorite scissors.] Open the scissors with the pencils in > the finger holes and then carefully close the scissor blades onto the > two barely exposed prongs. > > Snap! Pop! Sparks! Lots, but they didn't last long. Permanently > damaged scissors and plug prongs, fan quietly coasts to a stop, power > off in the house as the old fashioned fuse blew. > > From somewhere else in the house, "Miii - kuuuul! What are you doing > now? Are you all right?" > > > That would be the same lady who had to climb to the top of a windmill > amidst the whirling blades and changing vane in high and variable winds > to fetch me down when I was really really little. > You really were a rotten kid :-) This beats my brother, who my mother found sitting in the middle of the railroad tracks 1/4 mile down the street when he was 3 or 4 years old. And no, no one knows how he got out of the house. And yes, my parents moved from NYC to the burbs to try to keep the children safe after he escaped from the carriage at 2 years old and we had the police and whole neighborhood out looking for him. And BTW "protective mother" doesn't even begin to describe my mother's general approach to kid raising so his "escapes" required a level on cunning generally not seen in kids that age :-) So tomorrow is Mother's Day .... remember your mom! (and it's also my birthday -- yes I was born on Mother's Day and my daughter was born on Labor Day :-) E From spam at uce.gov Sun May 14 03:34:08 2006 From: spam at uce.gov ([H]omer) Date: Sat May 13 21:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1147570451.136005@sky> On 23/04/2006 22:34, D-W-S spake thusly: > Charles wrote on Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:47:51 +0000 (UTC): > >> Ah, but I already have Exchange - it's part of SBS. And it can, >> supposedly, do IMAP. Mind you, my understanding of things was that >> it was an add on that you had to purchase, but, hey, what do I >> know? > > Well, if you're in "purchase" mode, think of this before you go out > and buy something: I don't get it. Why are people so reluctant to implement Linux solutions? It's not like Linux has to prove itself in the server space. MS Exchange is trash, like everything else MS do. What do we have to do to these brainwashed Windows users to make them understand that. -- K. /* values of ? will give rise to dom! */ Fedora Core release 4 (Stentz) on sky, running kernel 2.6.16-1.2108_FC4 06:59:33 up 15:49, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.04 From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 14 01:06:12 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 14 03:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > So tomorrow is Mother's Day .... remember your mom! (and it's also my > birthday -- yes I was born on Mother's Day and my daughter was born > on Labor Day :-) Happy B'day! But but but but..... If you were born on Mother's Day [and not this one] then also the Mother's Day that you were born, namely in the US the 2nd Sunday in May, and that Sunday you were born /were/ also May 14 [we usually call our birthday the day/date of our birth] like this one..... The second Sunday of May will fall on the following dates in the next few years: 2007: May 13 2008: May 11 2009: May 10 2010: May 9 2011: May 8 2012: May 13 .... then we would somehow have to figure out what years May 14 fell on the 2nd Sunday in May like this year's does. But, if instead of celebrating your birth 'date' on the actual date, you /instead/ celebrate it on Mother's Day to make it convenient for your friend's to salute you twice at one time, then we don't have to figure out when May 14 was the 2nd Sunday in May. It can only happen on the years which May 1 is a Monday, which presumably would approximate every 7th one. I'm not actually trying to figure out how /old/ you are, but whether or not you normally celebrate your birthday on your actual birth date or if you celebrate your birthday on Mother's Day for convenience, and..... and.... if you have chosen to celebrate your birthday on Mother's Day for convenience or sentimentality or whatever, does that mean that you have been doing that since you were a little girl and you had been a Mother's Day present for your mom, or does that mean that you have only been doing it that way since you have been both a daughter *and* a mother? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 14 01:57:33 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 14 04:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > .... then we would somehow have to figure out what years May 14 fell > on the 2nd Sunday in May like this year's does. > It can only happen > on the years which May 1 is a Monday, which presumably would > approximate every 7th one. Actually it turns out it isn't really every 7th one. It is only the years with the Dominical Letter A, whatever that is in the perpetual calendar business. If you are between the ages of 18 and 80, let's say, there were only 6 dominical A years during that 62 year time frame, so Mother's Day only occurred on May 14 averaging one year out of more than 10, not 1 of 7. Very strange. Not interesting to very many other people, I suppose, but 'curious' to me. Oh, I see now about the dominical letters in perpetual calendars. There are actually 14 different dominicals, not 7. If a year starts on a particular day of the week, that year might be a leap year or a regular year. But, there are less leap years, naturally, so the leap year dominicals happen less frequently than the regular year dominicals. I see. I forgot about the leap year dominicals. That adds 2 more occurrences of dominical BA for the 18 to 80 year old born on Mother's Day May 14 for a total of 8 instead of 6, so it is closer to one year of 9, not one of 10. It is still kinda funky. It is certainly not one in 7 as one might expect. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Sun May 14 12:18:57 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Sun May 14 05:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: [H]omer wrote on Sun, 14 May 2006 02:34:08 +0100: > I don't get it. > > Why are people so reluctant to implement Linux solutions? It's not like > Linux has to prove itself in the server space. Or FreeBSD. Some people are reluctant to interact with the drool receptacle^W^W keyboard and are lost the minute they have to use one instead of a mouse. Many Windows users don't know what a text editor is. They'll try to edit configuration files in MS-Word and then not understand why the configuration doesn't work. > MS Exchange is trash, like everything else MS do. What do we have to do > to these brainwashed Windows users to make them understand that. Some never will. You can point them to pages and pages of accounts by sysadmins of the difficulties that the OL/Exchange creates for them as recipients of mail from that software, but that's just propaganda, isn't it? You can show them your log files filling up with traces of Code Red and Nimda, but that's just selective reading (although, to be honest, I see more attempts to crack things like PHPMyAdmin and Mambo right now, not to mention ssh brute force attacks). You can show them that alternative software can do what M$ garbageware does but even better, and at a fraction of the cost, and they'll never want to leave their warm, fuzzy-feeling Windows world. I'm glad I left those problems behind many years ago. From not at here.invalid Sun May 14 11:49:01 2006 From: not at here.invalid (Ellen) Date: Sun May 14 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e46kt3$ng5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ellen wrote: > > > if you have chosen to celebrate your birthday on Mother's Day for > convenience or sentimentality or whatever, does that mean that you have > been doing that since you were a little girl and you had been a Mother's > Day present for your mom, or does that mean that you have only been > doing it that way since you have been both a daughter *and* a mother? > > I celebrate my birthday on May 14th, that being the day I was born. E From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun May 14 11:08:10 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun May 14 13:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > I celebrate my birthday on May 14th, that being the day I was born. Well then, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday And also Happy Mother's Day -- which only occurs on the same day as your birthdate day occasionally, so that makes this a 'special' Mother's Day and Birthday Day for you. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Mon May 15 08:57:55 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon May 15 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13.05.2006 09:32, DougW wrote: --- Original Message --- >> From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with >> those things?" 8-) > > Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try using > one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. > http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html > > They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually edible. > > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets > say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got that > stain off the ceiling. :] > > What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things here, slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along with it's unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 hour and expect it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. From user at domain.invalid Mon May 15 09:02:19 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon May 15 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13.05.2006 14:28, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > | From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with > | those things?" 8-) > > From way back in deep Cajun country -- yes and have for years. Those are Northern Cajuns .. :-) From me at privacy.net Mon May 15 10:40:18 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 15 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" < | > | From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with | > | those things?" 8-) | > | > From way back in deep Cajun country -- yes and have for years. | | Those are Northern Cajuns .. :-) Yea up north near Audubon Park or way up north i.e. Little Farms? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 15 08:15:42 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 15 10:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: User wrote: > What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things > here, slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along > with it's unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 > hour and expect it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, > like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. Superheated steam actually enhances natural flavors. Typically when one adjusts recipes for pressure cooking one can use less seasonings to get the same taste 'sensation' - and vegetable and meat flavors 'sing' and harmonize all the better. Also, the airless environment and less exposure to both 'low' boiling heat and atmosphere air for hours prevents the loss by oxidation of some great flavor nuances that are often destroyed when a pot of vegetables like okra or tomatoes or 'light hearted' meats like crab or shrimp and chicken are beaten to death. Show me a crockpot or stovetop pot cooking recipe you love and I'll bet I can improve on it. Or, if not me, someone who knows pressure cooking better than I. The business of filling the house with wonderful smells for many hours is another subject that needs to be taken into consideration. If you want to fill the house with good smells for hours, put some bread in a homemade bread cooker or something, because the pressure cooking is going to get the job done so fast that the wonderful food cooking atmosphere happens right before everyone is ready to dig in, instead of teasing them so long before 'it happens'. Another one of those 'instant gratification' plus and minus issues. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Mon May 15 11:03:24 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon May 15 10:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | >> From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with | >> those things?" 8-) | > | > Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try using | > one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. | > http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html | > | > They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually edible. | > | > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets | > say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got that | > stain off the ceiling. :] | | What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things here, | slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along with it's | unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 hour and expect | it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, like Gumbo and | Etouffee for instance. Some can, especially if they know what they are doing. BTW when I was in grade school we would get our knuckles cracked for speaking French instead of English on the play ground. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon May 15 11:26:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon May 15 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Does the pro version contain the option to 'check as soon as the > system is on line?' I ask as she does not use the system often and > there is no practical way to predict a fixed time when an up date > should be skeducled. Which rases a question is there another program > that would do the up date task for every think base on say once a > week whereever she might be on line? I have McAffee on my home PC, which I rarely turn on. I have "automatic update" set to run at every boot up, but it never works. I assume because the batch file to get the new .dat files is executed prior to my PC actually making a connection to the outside world via the cable modem. Haven't been able to figure out how to fix that one. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 15 08:32:34 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 15 10:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > The business of filling the house with wonderful smells for many hours In the past at T'giving time, I used to put a little pot of turkey giblets in water on a back burner to just sit there and boil for hours for no other purpose other than to make a good aroma around the house. Since I was practically the only one who wanted giblets in 'everything' - gravy, dressing, whatever, I could reserve my giblet laced tasties mostly just for myself and just let everyone else only smell them cooking in the background. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon May 15 09:07:11 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon May 15 11:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "User" >> like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. > > BTW when I > was in grade school we would get our knuckles cracked for speaking > French instead of English on the play ground. Yabbut, Etouffee in this context isn't actually French [anymore]. Cajun is a distinct ethnic group, and its French isn't really French, it is Cajun - derived from the French Canadian Acadians, which Acadians have non-French ancestry, Indian, a smattering of German and Spanish. French etouffee is some kind of stew in France. Cajun etoufee is Cajun stew, a distinctly different set of dishes -- whether it be chicken, shrimp, crab, or crayfish, the archetypical Etouffee-Cajun - tban the 'nondescript' French etouffee A Green Beret isn't wearing a French cap, either. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 16 14:52:48 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Tue May 16 16:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Mapping a network Message-ID: I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I am making an inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, etc. Does anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what is on a LAN? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 16 14:58:00 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Tue May 16 17:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: Was:))))) Message-ID: It occurs to me that it might be advantageous to delete the "Was: *" portion of the subject line after the first few posts rather than letting it clutter up the subject line forever. Is it? :) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue May 16 15:03:51 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Tue May 16 17:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mailing lists Q References: Message-ID: POP wrote > What purpose and what kind of person would subscribe to a full > blown mailing list? What use could they be? > > I've thought about databases; no, way too much crud to pick thru. You appear to have somehow arrived at the false conclusion that all mailing lists are high-volume mailing lists. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 16 15:14:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 16 17:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: (Was: Was:))))) References: Message-ID: G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: > It occurs to me that it might be advantageous to delete the > "Was: *" portion of the subject line after the first few posts > rather than letting it clutter up the subject line forever. > > Is it? :) When I hang out in some newsgroups where the 'rituals' of doing everything just like you are 'supposed to' -- in an environment that is actually so called "highly organized anarchy" -- those folks have all kinds of ideas about how things are /supposed/ to be done. Personally, I just do it however I like. If the subject is too long, I trim off the end of it. If I don't want to use 'Was:' I use the previous message's attribution and cite marks, and copy and paste that into an entirely new message created from scratch and with an entirely new subject. In an environment of anarchy, I figger I can do it however suits me. There are disadvantages to the References line getting too long for some systems, so if you are trying to keep a thread's subthreads alive just to see how many branches a tree can have, then it might get to have too many. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From six.million at dollar.man Tue May 16 18:15:48 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Tue May 16 17:20:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Securing Wireless Network Message-ID: I have home wifi, mainly for TIVO connectivity but occasionally use it for my laptop when I want to work around the house without tripping over RJ-45 cables. I typically change the password monthly and also switch channels. Wondering if that is overkill, or if I should be doing some other opsec measures? Any tips appreciated. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 16 16:09:44 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 16 18:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: dw?c?n wrote: > I have home wifi, mainly for TIVO connectivity but occasionally use > it for my laptop when I want to work around the house without > tripping over RJ-45 cables. > > I typically change the password monthly and also switch channels. > Wondering if that is overkill, or if I should be doing some other > opsec measures? Driveby wifi rustling is a big sport. WEP security is insufficient, you need to WPA. The ease of cracking wep was demonstrated back in 2001 which showed that the analysis of 10 minutes of traffic could be enough. The wiki article about it is a good place to start. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Tue May 16 20:23:03 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 16 20:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.05.2006 08:40, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > | Those are Northern Cajuns .. :-) > > Yea up north near Audubon Park or way up north i.e. Little Farms? > > Not quite, was thinking of those left behind in Canada. From user at domain.invalid Tue May 16 20:46:11 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 16 20:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.05.2006 09:15, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: > >> What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things >> here, slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along >> with it's unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 >> hour and expect it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, >> like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. > > Superheated steam actually enhances natural flavors. Typically when one > adjusts recipes for pressure cooking one can use less seasonings to get > the same taste 'sensation' - and vegetable and meat flavors 'sing' and > harmonize all the better. Also, the airless environment and less > exposure to both 'low' boiling heat and atmosphere air for hours > prevents the loss by oxidation of some great flavor nuances that are > often destroyed when a pot of vegetables like okra or tomatoes or 'light > hearted' meats like crab or shrimp and chicken are beaten to death. > > Show me a crockpot or stovetop pot cooking recipe you love and I'll bet > I can improve on it. Or, if not me, someone who knows pressure cooking > better than I. You can't successfully crock pot OR pressure cook an etouffee nor can you do the same for a seafood (or any) gumbo or any sort of jambalaya. Any dish, such as a gumbo for instance that is to contain any species of seafood, eg., shrimp, crabmeat, oyster, etc. does not fare well in a pressure cooker. Ask my wife, the retired cajun chef and french pastry chef (trained in Paris) and VERY close friend of John Folse what she thinks of crock potting and pressure cooking cajun dishes, then stand back and duck. 8-) There IS a place for both but not in true Cajun Cuisine - home style Atchafalaya Basin cooking. "Laissez Le Bon Temps Roulet, Cher". :-D > The business of filling the house with wonderful smells for many hours > is another subject that needs to be taken into consideration. If you > want to fill the house with good smells for hours, put some bread in a > homemade bread cooker or something, because the pressure cooking is > going to get the job done so fast that the wonderful food cooking > atmosphere happens right before everyone is ready to dig in, instead of > teasing them so long before 'it happens'. > > Another one of those 'instant gratification' plus and minus issues. > > From user at domain.invalid Tue May 16 20:48:07 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 16 20:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.05.2006 09:32, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- > Mike Easter wrote: > >> The business of filling the house with wonderful smells for many hours > > In the past at T'giving time, I used to put a little pot of turkey > giblets in water on a back burner to just sit there and boil for hours > for no other purpose other than to make a good aroma around the house. > Since I was practically the only one who wanted giblets in > 'everything' - gravy, dressing, whatever, I could reserve my giblet > laced tasties mostly just for myself and just let everyone else only > smell them cooking in the background. > > The "giblets" here go in the oyster dressing, which when being prepared prior to loading in the turkey makes quite an aroma as well ... :-) From user at domain.invalid Tue May 16 20:49:00 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 16 20:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.05.2006 09:03, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" > > | >> From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with > | >> those things?" 8-) > | > > | > Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try > using > | > one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. > | > http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html > | > > | > They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually > edible. > | > > | > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets > | > say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got > that > | > stain off the ceiling. :] > | > | What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things here, > | slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along with it's > | unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 hour and expect > | it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, like Gumbo and > | Etouffee for instance. > > Some can, especially if they know what they are doing. BTW when I was in > grade school we would get our knuckles cracked for speaking French instead > of English on the play ground. > > Hmmm, you ever play Cajun Whoopass ?? :-) From user at domain.invalid Tue May 16 20:56:27 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue May 16 21:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 15.05.2006 10:07, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- > Frog Prince wrote: >> "User" > >>> like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. >> >> BTW when I >> was in grade school we would get our knuckles cracked for speaking >> French instead of English on the play ground. > > Yabbut, Etouffee in this context isn't actually French [anymore]. > > Cajun is a distinct ethnic group, and its French isn't really French, it > is Cajun - derived from the French Canadian Acadians, which Acadians > have non-French ancestry, Indian, a smattering of German and Spanish. > > French etouffee is some kind of stew in France. Cajun etoufee is Cajun > stew, a distinctly different set of dishes -- whether it be chicken, > shrimp, crab, or crayfish, the archetypical Etouffee-Cajun - tban the > 'nondescript' French etouffee > > A Green Beret isn't wearing a French cap, either. > In French, etouffee means to "braise" but in Cajun Country it means to "smother". The late Justin Wilson was probably one of the foremost authorities on etouffee. Attending a half dozen or so of his "picnics" in Tickfaw, La. were memories not soon forgotten. An etouffee remains an etouffee until you add tomatoes, after which it becomes a "stew" according to most "purists". From joegill at removethis Tue May 16 22:56:19 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue May 16 22:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e4dij3$lc$1@news.spamcop.net... > dwåcôn wrote: >> I have home wifi, mainly for TIVO connectivity but occasionally use >> it for my laptop when I want to work around the house without >> tripping over RJ-45 cables. >> >> I typically change the password monthly and also switch channels. >> Wondering if that is overkill, or if I should be doing some other >> opsec measures? > > Driveby wifi rustling is a big sport. WEP security is insufficient, you > need to WPA. The ease of cracking wep was demonstrated back in 2001 > which showed that the analysis of 10 minutes of traffic could be enough. > The wiki article about it is a good place to start. > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > Does restricting wireless access to specific MACADDRs add value too? Any comments on the WPA algorithms (AES vs TKIP)? Any comments on "Group key renewal Interval" .. mine defaults to 3600 seconds..... Also, I have been told it is NOT a good idea to Enable Wireless SSID broadcast, but I have not been able to get my wireless laptop to 'see' the router, unless it is enabled? Any ideas here? From six.million at dollar.man Tue May 16 23:02:58 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Tue May 16 22:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: Another discovery -- TIVO doesn't support WPA. So, I am stuck trying to secure WEP as best as possible, or get that 200 foot Ethernet cable... From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Tue May 16 22:06:12 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Tue May 16 22:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:e4e08d$9np$1@news.spamcop.net... > Another discovery -- TIVO doesn't support WPA. So, I am stuck trying to > secure WEP as best as possible, or get that 200 foot Ethernet cable... > > So, what's the risk with TIVO? someone may program the wrong stuff or erase your program? or that you might become an unwitting P2P sender of copyright materials? TIVO is the programmable record to hard drive from cable satellite or airwaves, right? (excuse my ignorance I don't have a TV) From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue May 16 20:21:26 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue May 16 22:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: dw?c?n wrote: > Another discovery -- TIVO doesn't support WPA. So, I am stuck trying > to secure WEP as best as possible, or get that 200 foot Ethernet > cable... I'm not sure I have the whole equation here, but I don't know how the tivo and wep would be a problem; OTOH interfacing between a computer such as a laptop and the WAN via a wireless cable modem on wep would be a whole 'nuther issue. Why is your tivo wepping wireless? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From me at privacy.net Wed May 17 09:41:16 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 17 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | > | Those are Northern Cajuns .. :-) | > | > Yea up north near Audubon Park or way up north i.e. Little Farms? | > | > | | Not quite, was thinking of those left behind in Canada. No Cajuns in Canada the English King exiled them all. From me at privacy.net Wed May 17 09:47:42 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 17 09:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | > | >> What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things | >> here, slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along | >> with it's unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 | >> hour and expect it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, | >> like Gumbo and Etouffee for instance. | > | > Superheated steam actually enhances natural flavors. Typically when one | > adjusts recipes for pressure cooking one can use less seasonings to get | > the same taste 'sensation' - and vegetable and meat flavors 'sing' and | > harmonize all the better. Also, the airless environment and less | > exposure to both 'low' boiling heat and atmosphere air for hours | > prevents the loss by oxidation of some great flavor nuances that are | > often destroyed when a pot of vegetables like okra or tomatoes or 'light | > hearted' meats like crab or shrimp and chicken are beaten to death. | > | > Show me a crockpot or stovetop pot cooking recipe you love and I'll bet | > I can improve on it. Or, if not me, someone who knows pressure cooking | > better than I. | | You can't successfully crock pot OR pressure cook an etouffee nor can | you do the same for a seafood (or any) gumbo or any sort of jambalaya. | Any dish, such as a gumbo for instance that is to contain any species of | seafood, eg., shrimp, crabmeat, oyster, etc. does not fare well in a | pressure cooker. Ask my wife, the retired cajun chef and french pastry | chef (trained in Paris) and VERY close friend of John Folse what she | thinks of crock potting and pressure cooking cajun dishes, then stand | back and duck. 8-) There IS a place for both but not in true Cajun | Cuisine - home style Atchafalaya Basin cooking. "Laissez Le Bon Temps | Roulet, Cher". :-D Don't tell that to my grandmothers (trained in French Settlement and likely never been further away from Louisiana that Bay St. Louis MS) Come to think my family had property in Mississippi when it was still Louisiana. | > The business of filling the house with wonderful smells for many hours | > is another subject that needs to be taken into consideration. If you | > want to fill the house with good smells for hours, put some bread in a | > homemade bread cooker or something, because the pressure cooking is | > going to get the job done so fast that the wonderful food cooking | > atmosphere happens right before everyone is ready to dig in, instead of | > teasing them so long before 'it happens'. | > | > Another one of those 'instant gratification' plus and minus issues. Easy to fill the house with good smells. Onion, garlic, green pepper in a roux have been sufficent for generations. In fact my grand mother would start cooking that way then say 'Ok what are we having for dinner.' From me at privacy.net Wed May 17 09:49:29 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 17 09:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:e4drtb$6gh$3@news.spamcop.net... | On 15.05.2006 09:03, Frog Prince wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > "User" | > | > | >> From very deep down in Cajun Country ... "People actually COOK with | > | >> those things?" 8-) | > | > | > | > Pressure cookers are just an earlier version of the microwave. Try | > using | > | > one to cook chicken or pre-cook it for a short trip to the grill. | > | > http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1839,146170-238207,00.html | > | > | > | > They are also handy for turning chuck roast into something actually | > edible. | > | > | > | > Oh.. and the little wibbly thing on top should never be removed by, lets | > | > say, a small child that thinks it's fun. Don't think gramps ever got | > that | > | > stain off the ceiling. :] | > | | > | What was "between the lines" is the fact that we don't rush things here, | > | slow cooking is what gives Cajun Cuisine it's reputation along with it's | > | unique spices, etc. You can't pressure-cook a dish in 1 hour and expect | > | it to taste the same as slow cooking it for 4 hrs, like Gumbo and | > | Etouffee for instance. | > | > Some can, especially if they know what they are doing. BTW when I was in | > grade school we would get our knuckles cracked for speaking French instead | > of English on the play ground. | > | > | | Hmmm, you ever play Cajun Whoopass ?? :-) No we spent our spare time wrestlin' 'gators (not a joke) back before they were endangered. From me at privacy.net Wed May 17 10:26:32 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 17 09:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" ' | In French, etouffee means to "braise" but in Cajun Country it means to | "smother". The late Justin Wilson was probably one of the foremost | authorities on etouffee. Attending a half dozen or so of his "picnics" | in Tickfaw, La. were memories not soon forgotten. Wilson came late to the party of being an official Cajun and was originally a 'safty' engineer for Esso back before it became EXXON. While an excellent cook he was not considered an authority by the locals. As example he was heavy on the use of wine in his cooking something that was not common with the bayou cooks. BTW his house in French Settlement was at most 5 miles from our place in Prairieville. While our families were acquainted we did not socialize with him and his much as he was mean enough sober and much less sociable when drinking. (Early on he effected a cane, not for support but because it was heavy ... weighted with lead) | An etouffee remains an etouffee until you add tomatoes, after which it | becomes a "stew" according to most "purists". The best modern review, both of the history and the makings, of Cajun cooking is the Richard Collins Cook Book. The hard copy went out of press in the 70s and is very hard to fine. (We have several signed copies that were presented to my grandmothers by the author) The paperback was still available in the early '90s and may still be found in used book stores on Magazine St... if you're lucky. My grand father claimed he could tell where (within 25 miles) in Louisiana a cook was raised based on the flavoring of the food served in their home. I, personally, expect it was because he knew most everybody's family history but his stories expounding on the food and it's origins amused everyone. Most especially a young bride trying to impress a visitor. He would often as not, consider with a stern face the last of a dish and comment: "You know what this taste like?" followed by a brief pause to allow the lady of the house to ponder what was coming next he would say 'Another serving' As to what something is recall that 'all things come to he who orders gumbo' Gumbo BTW is from an African word that translates to English as okra. I'm not at all clear on the origins of the vegetable okra but if memory serves this too had it's origins in Africa. From marc at perkel.com Wed May 17 10:28:42 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed May 17 12:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Submitting bulk spam to spamcop Message-ID: Dear Geeks, I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and I get a ton of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. I wouldn't submit it all of course, but the stuff that isn't already listed. I was wondering how I could do this? Thanks in advance Marc Perkel http://www.junkemailfilter.com From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed May 17 15:07:23 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Wed May 17 14:10:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: Message-ID: Use your eyes: at spamcopDOT net. "Marc Perkel" wrote in message news:e4fivq$8bb$1@news.spamcop.net... > Dear Geeks, > > I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and I > get a ton of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. I > wouldn't submit it all of course, but the stuff that isn't > already listed. I was wondering how I could do this? > > Thanks in advance > > Marc Perkel > http://www.junkemailfilter.com From marc at perkel.com Wed May 17 14:46:16 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed May 17 16:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446B8B98.4010207@perkel.com> POP wrote: > Use your eyes: at spamcopDOT net. > > "Marc Perkel" wrote in message > news:e4fivq$8bb$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Dear Geeks, >> >> I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and I >> get a ton of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. I >> wouldn't submit it all of course, but the stuff that isn't >> already listed. I was wondering how I could do this? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Marc Perkel >> http://www.junkemailfilter.com > > How about a real answer. Forwarding to the email address they gave me doesn't work. I'm an ISP and want to forward lots of spam. From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Thu May 18 00:14:00 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Wed May 17 17:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: Charles wrote on Wed, 17 May 2006 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC): > despite how terrible MS stuff is, people are MUCH more productive when > using it. That depends entirely on what you're used to. I know for a fact that I'm far *less* productive on a Windoze system. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 17 15:24:48 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 17 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: Message-ID: Marc Perkel wrote: > I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and I get a > ton of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. It would have to be submitted as an individual mailuser client would, attached to a reasonable sized email as a collection of attachments, emailed to the submit address if it weren't being submitted as an individual reporter would, one at a time into the webparser. > I wouldn't submit it > all of course, but the stuff that isn't already listed. I was > wondering how I could do this? Not forwarded from a server. The parser reporter is going to recognize a properly configured client submission to the parser as having a set of headers from the client to the submit followed by an empty body line, followed by a MIME attachment structure, followed by the spam headers, followed by the spambody which might consist of more MIME structure and then terminated or continued as another MIME attachment structure followed by another spam header, followed by another spambody etc. If a server forwards, there is one set of headers from spamsource to submit. No good. Not acceptable to the parser. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From six.million at dollar.man Wed May 17 20:16:26 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Wed May 17 19:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e4e1b1$aes$1@news.spamcop.net... > dwåcôn wrote: >> Another discovery -- TIVO doesn't support WPA. So, I am stuck trying >> to secure WEP as best as possible, or get that 200 foot Ethernet >> cable... > > I'm not sure I have the whole equation here, but I don't know how the > tivo and wep would be a problem; OTOH interfacing between a computer > such as a laptop and the WAN via a wireless cable modem on wep would be > a whole 'nuther issue. I don't have a landline phone -- using my cell only saves $50/month. So I use my LAN (well, WLAN) to let TIVO do it's nightly synch with the server. Now, I figure I may also use it with my laptop to escape my home office and maybe do some work on the sofa... but the primary purpose is TIVO connectivity. I did read on About.com not to broadcast the SSID and so I changed to a different SSID and do not broadcast it. Also, it said 128 bit encryption was a performance hit without much benefit, so just use 64 bit. My main concern is keeping someone from using my high-speed internet, especially if they want to do something naughty like send spam or whatever. Interestingly, I pick up at least five other SSIDs... meaning my neighbors have WiFi and seems their signals are stronger... hmm... From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Wed May 17 17:22:06 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Wed May 17 19:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "dw?c?n" wrote in message news:e4gas4$os5$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e4e1b1$aes$1@news.spamcop.net... >> dw?c?n wrote: >>> Another discovery -- TIVO doesn't support WPA. So, I am stuck trying >>> to secure WEP as best as possible, or get that 200 foot Ethernet >>> cable... >> >> I'm not sure I have the whole equation here, but I don't know how the >> tivo and wep would be a problem; OTOH interfacing between a computer >> such as a laptop and the WAN via a wireless cable modem on wep would be >> a whole 'nuther issue. > > > I don't have a landline phone -- using my cell only saves $50/month. So I > use my LAN (well, WLAN) to let TIVO do it's nightly synch with the server. > > Now, I figure I may also use it with my laptop to escape my home office > and maybe do some work on the sofa... but the primary purpose is TIVO > connectivity. > > I did read on About.com not to broadcast the SSID and so I changed to a > different SSID and do not broadcast it. > > Also, it said 128 bit encryption was a performance hit without much > benefit, so just use 64 bit. > > My main concern is keeping someone from using my high-speed internet, > especially if they want to do something naughty like send spam or > whatever. > > Interestingly, I pick up at least five other SSIDs... meaning my neighbors > have WiFi and seems their signals are stronger... hmm... > > When you pick up the neighbor's signals, don't some of them say they are 'secure' - there must be some way to keep others out of your wifi. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > > From six.million at dollar.man Wed May 17 20:33:41 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Wed May 17 19:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote in message news:e4gb71$p4s$1@news.spamcop.net... > When you pick up the neighbor's signals, don't some of them say they are > 'secure' - there must be some way to keep others out of your wifi. I haven't tried connecting using their signals... particularly the one named "default" -- dwacon From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Wed May 17 17:36:05 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Wed May 17 19:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Securing Wireless Network References: Message-ID: "dw?c?n" wrote in message news:e4gbsf$pk3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "anon" wrote in message > news:e4gb71$p4s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >> When you pick up the neighbor's signals, don't some of them say they are >> 'secure' - there must be some way to keep others out of your wifi. > > > I haven't tried connecting using their signals... particularly the one > named "default" > On my screen, there is a list of wifi signals that the computer has heard. Some say secure some do not and THOSE can be connected to. I did not have to try connecting to find out that they were secure. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > -- > dwacon > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed May 17 19:46:14 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed May 17 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: Message-ID: "Marc Perkel" wrote in message news:e4fivq$8bb$1@news.spamcop.net... > Dear Geeks, > > I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and I get a ton > of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. I wouldn't submit it all of > course, but the stuff that isn't already listed. I was wondering how I > could do this? As you didn't like some of the previous answers ... and the assumption is that you either didn't find, look at, or understand the FAQ found on the www.spamcop.net pages ... am alternative might be to try the Forum, try one of the FAQ versions there ... http://forum.spamcop.net/ now brings up a Portal page - under rework to due an upgrade http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2238 opens up the single-page access version .... for instance, titles like the following seem to be connected to your query ... Under the Parsing & Reporting section ... Is there a limit on reporting spam? -----> 3,000 per day -----> not older than 48 hours Can I automatically forward spam from my spamtraps? (which actually points back to a www.spamcop.net page) and that's not even touching the issues of the actual submittal form at all ...... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed May 17 22:00:57 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Wed May 17 21:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: "D-W-S" wrote in message news:slrne6n4go.1hdp.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... > Charles wrote on Wed, 17 May 2006 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC): > >> despite how terrible MS stuff is, people are MUCH more >> productive when >> using it. > > That depends entirely on what you're used to. I know for a fact > that I'm > far *less* productive on a Windoze system. That's because you got suckered! It's WindoWS, NOT WindoZE! You must be in the wrong newsgroup! ;=) Pop From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed May 17 22:04:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Wed May 17 21:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: <446B8B98.4010207@perkel.com> Message-ID: Like I said, ALL the information you need is already there for you; just go read it! Too many people want things done for them these days rather then have to understand it themselves. Your question makes it pretty obvious you've not bothered to see what spamcop is at all; you only have a notion of what it is and does, and want someone to recopy the FAQs here for you. After reading the FAQs, then you would be able to pose a much better question and get well targetted responses. As it is, you're shotgunning. Regards, Pop "Marc Perkel" wrote in message news:446B8B98.4010207@perkel.com... > POP wrote: >> Use your eyes: at spamcopDOT net. >> >> "Marc Perkel" wrote in message >> news:e4fivq$8bb$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Dear Geeks, >>> >>> I'm new to spamcop. I run a small spam filtering service and >>> I get a ton of spam that I'd like to submit to spamcop. I >>> wouldn't submit it all of course, but the stuff that isn't >>> already listed. I was wondering how I could do this? >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Marc Perkel >>> http://www.junkemailfilter.com >> >> > > How about a real answer. Forwarding to the email address they > gave me doesn't work. I'm an ISP and want to forward lots of > spam. From marc at perkel.com Wed May 17 20:41:53 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Wed May 17 22:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Most of it is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very useful to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net sources for the URI list in particular. So what I need to do is fork off a copt automatically to some spamcop email address to receive this spam. So - I set up an account and I tried forwarding email to it and it started complaining that the email wasn't in the right format. So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email stream to a spamcop account. How do I do that? From user at domain.invalid Wed May 17 23:43:27 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed May 17 23:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17.05.2006 07:47, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > Don't tell that to my grandmothers (trained in French Settlement and likely > never been further away from Louisiana that Bay St. Louis MS) Come to think > my family had property in Mississippi when it was still Louisiana. Lousiana was never Mississippi and vice-versa. The LA Purchase never made it EAST of the Mississippi River. At least not that I can see in any of the LA Purchase Maps. And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 17 21:53:18 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 17 23:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: Marc Perkel wrote: > Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Where in this context 'bounce' means what? Does bounce mean reject during the smtp transaction? Or something else? Mail rejected during transaction isn't 'available' for anyone to report as spam received. Bounce is a very ambiguous term and sometimes it represents an abusive server behavior -- so I think it is important to make it very clear what happens to 2 million spams and how you count them and which logs we are talking about. Rejected transactions are not something useful to counting as spams received by a user, and spams accepted for delivery can't very well be belatedly 'bounced' in a healthy manner, where belatedly bounced means addressing a newmail to a bogus From. > Most of > it is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very > useful to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net > sources for the URI list in particular. I don't know what that sentence says or means, or intends to mean. I'm not a SC admin, I'm just kibitzing here, but IMO the most important thing that SC does is function as the maintainer of the SC blocklist of spamsources. I think SC does a very bad job of feeding spamvertised URLs to sc-surbl and I think the majority of its function of notifying spamvertiser providers 'for' spamcop reporters is not only worthless, but counterproductive. > So what I need to do is fork > off a copt automatically to some spamcop email address to receive > this spam. That doesn't work. > So - I set up an account and I tried forwarding email to it and it > started complaining that the email wasn't in the right format. Correct. > So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email > stream to a spamcop account. > > How do I do that? You can't, if by 'account' you mean a spamcop reporter's account's submit address. Server forwarding to a SC submit address doesn't work for the reasons I explained earlier. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Wed May 17 23:59:24 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu May 18 00:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17.05.2006 08:26, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" ' > > | In French, etouffee means to "braise" but in Cajun Country it means to > | "smother". The late Justin Wilson was probably one of the foremost > | authorities on etouffee. Attending a half dozen or so of his "picnics" > | in Tickfaw, La. were memories not soon forgotten. > > Wilson came late to the party of being an official Cajun and was originally > a 'safty' engineer for Esso back before it became EXXON. While an excellent > cook he was not considered an authority by the locals. As example he was > heavy on the use of wine in his cooking something that was not common with > the bayou cooks. BTW his house in French Settlement was at most 5 miles > from our place in Prairieville. > > While our families were acquainted we did not socialize with him and his > much as he was mean enough sober and much less sociable when drinking. > (Early on he effected a cane, not for support but because it was heavy ... > weighted with lead) > > | An etouffee remains an etouffee until you add tomatoes, after which it > | becomes a "stew" according to most "purists". > > The best modern review, both of the history and the makings, of Cajun > cooking is the Richard Collins Cook Book. The hard copy went out of press > in the 70s and is very hard to fine. (We have several signed copies that > were presented to my grandmothers by the author) The paperback was still > available in the early '90s and may still be found in used book stores on > Magazine St... if you're lucky. > > My grand father claimed he could tell where (within 25 miles) in Louisiana a > cook was raised based on the flavoring of the food served in their home. I, > personally, expect it was because he knew most everybody's family history > but his stories expounding on the food and it's origins amused everyone. > Most especially a young bride trying to impress a visitor. He would often as > not, consider with a stern face the last of a dish and comment: "You know > what this taste like?" followed by a brief pause to allow the lady of the > house to ponder what was coming next he would say 'Another serving' > > As to what something is recall that 'all things come to he who orders gumbo' > Gumbo BTW is from an African word that translates to English as okra. I'm > not at all clear on the origins of the vegetable okra but if memory serves > this too had it's origins in Africa. Gumbo comes from the Bantu word "gombo" best I remember. Don't remember ever seeing Seafood Gombo on a Somali menu tho ... 8-) One of my wife's most prized book possessions is "La Cuisine Creole" - 1885. Lot of very interesting recipes and nary a mention of "roux". What is most interesting about these sort of discussions is that nobody is ever wrong !! :-) From scamper at trisk.com Wed May 17 23:07:30 2006 From: scamper at trisk.com (Garen Erdoisa) Date: Thu May 18 00:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: Marc Perkel wrote: > Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Most of it > is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very useful > to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net sources for > the URI list in particular. So what I need to do is fork off a copt > automatically to some spamcop email address to receive this spam. > > So - I set up an account and I tried forwarding email to it and it > started complaining that the email wasn't in the right format. > > So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email > stream to a spamcop account. > > How do I do that? For that volume of email I would talk directly with the spamcop administrators about setting up a generic spam feed address for your ISP. You and they can work out the details. If it were me doing this, I would probably just drop it into a local account and let spamcop fetchmail it down at their leisure. That way they would be able to throttle the feed. SpamBouncer can do this, but probably wouldn't scale well to handle 2 million spams per day unless you have some really beefy servers to handle the load. It's GNU, so you could probably study how it's done there and adapt some of the techniques used and procmail scripts to your own use. I believe SpamAssassin can also do this (with a plugin), but doubt that it would scale well to handle 2 million/day feed. I think that the best solution in your particular case is to work out a deal with the spamcop admins. -- Garen From me at privacy.net Thu May 18 09:54:50 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 18 09:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | > | > | In French, etouffee means to "braise" but in Cajun Country it means to | > | "smother". The late Justin Wilson was probably one of the foremost | > | authorities on etouffee. Attending a half dozen or so of his "picnics" | > | in Tickfaw, La. were memories not soon forgotten. | > | > Wilson came late to the party of being an official Cajun and was originally | > a 'safty' engineer for Esso back before it became EXXON. While an excellent | > cook he was not considered an authority by the locals. As example he was | > heavy on the use of wine in his cooking something that was not common with | > the bayou cooks. BTW his house in French Settlement was at most 5 miles | > from our place in Prairieville. | > | > While our families were acquainted we did not socialize with him and his | > much as he was mean enough sober and much less sociable when drinking. | > (Early on he effected a cane, not for support but because it was heavy ... | > weighted with lead) | > | > | An etouffee remains an etouffee until you add tomatoes, after which it | > | becomes a "stew" according to most "purists". | > | > The best modern review, both of the history and the makings, of Cajun | > cooking is the Richard Collins Cook Book. The hard copy went out of press | > in the 70s and is very hard to fine. (We have several signed copies that | > were presented to my grandmothers by the author) The paperback was still | > available in the early '90s and may still be found in used book stores on | > Magazine St... if you're lucky. | > | > My grand father claimed he could tell where (within 25 miles) in Louisiana a | > cook was raised based on the flavoring of the food served in their home. I, | > personally, expect it was because he knew most everybody's family history | > but his stories expounding on the food and it's origins amused everyone. | > Most especially a young bride trying to impress a visitor. He would often as | > not, consider with a stern face the last of a dish and comment: "You know | > what this taste like?" followed by a brief pause to allow the lady of the | > house to ponder what was coming next he would say 'Another serving' | > | > As to what something is recall that 'all things come to he who orders gumbo' | > Gumbo BTW is from an African word that translates to English as okra. I'm | > not at all clear on the origins of the vegetable okra but if memory serves | > this too had it's origins in Africa. | | Gumbo comes from the Bantu word "gombo" best I remember. Don't remember | ever seeing Seafood Gombo on a Somali menu tho ... 8-) | | One of my wife's most prized book possessions is "La Cuisine Creole" - | 1885. Lot of very interesting recipes and nary a mention of "roux". | | What is most interesting about these sort of discussions is that nobody | is ever wrong !! :-) Yea the augments are always settled by a cook off and it's hard to fight on a full stomach especially with folk you just shared a bit meal. The research done for the Collins book was by way of direct observation of the preparation of old family recipes and was quite varied as one might expect. That research was in part how my grandmothers and their friends came to be gifted with signed copies of Collins books. Me, the only things I gained from that research was more than a few pounds and a good bit of real practical how with regard to cooking. My sons have inherited the skill set to the extent they are told what to bring tot he company pot luck dinners. Read the old recipes carefully as a roux is a basic building block. An ingredient that was a given and as such is rarely mentioned. It's only with out of state visitors have I ever heard the mention 'start a roux' in reference to preparing a meal. Like I said my grand mothers would open the kitchen with preparing a) rice b) a roux then decide what was for dinner. To my understanding African gumbo was a gumbo zarza (spl?) or green gumbo which was a meat less vegetable stew. Much like the America stew which could contain chicken, beef, rabbit, squirrel possum or even armadillo (possum on the half shell) whatever you serve may have different names but it's stew (gumbo) none the less. Interesting point armadillo did not enter Louisiana (armadillo can't swim and the Sabine River was too deep for them to walk across the bottom so it was only after the highway bridges were built that armadillo showed up in Louisiana) until the early 20th century and was quickly added to the pot (literally). My first serving of baked armadillo was at a hunting camp on land that is now part of the Audubon Plantation near St. Francisville. Too bad this 'discussion' has to be a virtual one as I'd love to have a face off in the kitchen inviting all the .social troops to partake and judge the results. Likely the contest would be called on account of nap regardless. From me at privacy.net Thu May 18 10:02:45 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu May 18 09:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | > Don't tell that to my grandmothers (trained in French Settlement and likely never been further away from Louisiana that Bay St. Louis MS) Come to think my family had property in Mississippi when it was still Louisiana. | Louisiana was never Mississippi and vice-versa. The LA Purchase never | made it EAST of the Mississippi River. At least not that I can see in | any of the LA Purchase Maps. Louisiana was Louisiana long before the LA purchase. FWIW the Florida Parishes extended into much of what is now Mississippi and beyond. The original deed grant does not reference Mississippi but Louisiana and what's left of the place is now in Mississippi. | And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) So is half of Baton Rough so what's your point? Actually in the area of in question French Settlement is EAST of I-10. Next you'll be telling me Kleinpeter is not a Cajun family name. From mwnospam at comcast.net Thu May 18 14:31:06 2006 From: mwnospam at comcast.net (spamacyde) Date: Thu May 18 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Utility to tell me what's accessing the hard drive Message-ID: Is there a utility for windows XP that will tell me what process is accessing the hard drive at the current time? It would be helpful if the utility also deobfuscated the process name. Thanks in advance. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu May 18 15:45:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu May 18 14:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Utility to tell me what's accessing the hard drive References: Message-ID: spamacyde wrote: > Is there a utility for windows XP that will tell me what process is > accessing the hard drive at the current time? It would be helpful if > the utility also deobfuscated the process name. > > Thanks in advance. Try TaskInfo, it might have what you're looking for. Lots more utilities and info there than I can understand. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu May 18 15:33:12 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Thu May 18 15:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: "Marc Perkel" wrote in message news:446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com... > Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Most of it > is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very useful > to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net sources for > the URI list in particular. So what I need to do is fork off a copt > automatically to some spamcop email address to receive this spam. > How do I do that? well, damn then, let me be more specific .... As I suggested in my lost post to this thread .... Can I automatically forward spam from my spamtraps? http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/402.html there is even a ton load of other questions answered in the FAQs provided. Al one has to do is follow the links provided and wade though the stuff .... From marc at perkel.com Thu May 18 14:32:28 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Thu May 18 16:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: <446CD9DC.9060107@perkel.com> Mike Easter wrote: > Marc Perkel wrote: > >> Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. > > Where in this context 'bounce' means what? Does bounce mean reject > during the smtp transaction? Or something else? Mail rejected during > transaction isn't 'available' for anyone to report as spam received. > > Bounce is a very ambiguous term and sometimes it represents an abusive > server behavior -- so I think it is important to make it very clear what > happens to 2 million spams and how you count them and which logs we are > talking about. Rejected transactions are not something useful to > counting as spams received by a user, and spams accepted for delivery > can't very well be belatedly 'bounced' in a healthy manner, where > belatedly bounced means addressing a newmail to a bogus From. > >> Most of >> it is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very >> useful to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net >> sources for the URI list in particular. > > I don't know what that sentence says or means, or intends to mean. > > I'm not a SC admin, I'm just kibitzing here, but IMO the most important > thing that SC does is function as the maintainer of the SC blocklist of > spamsources. I think SC does a very bad job of feeding spamvertised > URLs to sc-surbl and I think the majority of its function of notifying > spamvertiser providers 'for' spamcop reporters is not only worthless, > but counterproductive. > >> So what I need to do is fork >> off a copt automatically to some spamcop email address to receive >> this spam. > > That doesn't work. > >> So - I set up an account and I tried forwarding email to it and it >> started complaining that the email wasn't in the right format. > > Correct. > >> So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email >> stream to a spamcop account. >> >> How do I do that? > > You can't, if by 'account' you mean a spamcop reporter's account's > submit address. Server forwarding to a SC submit address doesn't work > for the reasons I explained earlier. > > > I know what doesn't work. I'm asking what does work. From marc at perkel.com Thu May 18 14:34:30 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Thu May 18 16:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: <446CDA56.7080404@perkel.com> Garen Erdoisa wrote: > Marc Perkel wrote: >> Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Most of >> it is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very >> useful to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net >> sources for the URI list in particular. So what I need to do is fork >> off a copt automatically to some spamcop email address to receive this >> spam. >> >> So - I set up an account and I tried forwarding email to it and it >> started complaining that the email wasn't in the right format. >> >> So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email >> stream to a spamcop account. >> >> How do I do that? > > For that volume of email I would talk directly with the spamcop > administrators about setting up a generic spam feed address for your > ISP. You and they can work out the details. > > If it were me doing this, I would probably just drop it into a local > account and let spamcop fetchmail it down at their leisure. That way > they would be able to throttle the feed. > > SpamBouncer can do this, but probably wouldn't scale well to handle 2 > million spams per day unless you have some really beefy servers to > handle the load. It's GNU, so you could probably study how it's done > there and adapt some of the techniques used and procmail scripts to your > own use. > > I believe SpamAssassin can also do this (with a plugin), but doubt that > it would scale well to handle 2 million/day feed. > > I think that the best solution in your particular case is to work out a > deal with the spamcop admins. > > -- > Garen Thanks - who would I contact about that. I don't plan on sending the full 2 million but more like a few thousand a day. From marc at perkel.com Thu May 18 14:47:00 2006 From: marc at perkel.com (Marc Perkel) Date: Thu May 18 16:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop In-Reply-To: References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> Message-ID: <446CDD44.90007@perkel.com> WazoO wrote: > "Marc Perkel" wrote in message > news:446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com... >> Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. Most of it >> is junk that everyone would bounce but some of it would be very useful >> to spamcop in learning new sources of spam and to find net sources for >> the URI list in particular. So what I need to do is fork off a copt >> automatically to some spamcop email address to receive this spam. > >> How do I do that? > > well, damn then, let me be more specific .... > As I suggested in my lost post to this thread .... > > Can I automatically forward spam from my spamtraps? > http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/402.html > > there is even a ton load of other questions answered in the > FAQs provided. Al one has to do is follow the links provided > and wade though the stuff .... > > Thank you. I just filled out the form. Hopefully someone will respond. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 18 14:56:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 18 17:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> <446CD9DC.9060107@perkel.com> Message-ID: Marc Perkel wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Marc Perkel wrote: >> >>> Let me be more specific. I bounce over 2 million spams a day. >> > Where in this context 'bounce' means what? Does bounce mean reject > during the smtp transaction? Or something else? > I know what doesn't work. I'm asking what does work. And the answer to the bounce question is...... ? ? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 18 15:00:30 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 18 17:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Submitting bulk spam to spamcop References: <446BDEF1.8000507@perkel.com> <446CDD44.90007@perkel.com> Message-ID: Marc Perkel wrote: > WazoO wrote: >> "Marc Perkel" >>> So what I need to be able to do is find a way to forward the email >>> stream to a spamcop account. >> Can I automatically forward spam from my spamtraps? >> http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/402.html > Thank you. I just filled out the form. Hopefully someone will respond. How does a "stream" of spam to your server's mailboxes equate to being a legitimate spamtrap as described in the faq: // Traps must consist of email addresses which have never been used for legitimate email. They should not be "recycled" user accounts. // -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From none at domain.invalid Thu May 18 15:16:50 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Thu May 18 17:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SpamCop and SiteAdvisor... working together. Message-ID: I had an idea that I think would help people to stay away from spamvertised sites (and therefore, since most scams are spamvertised, to stay away from getting scammed for the most part, too). I think by now, everyone's heard of SiteAdvisor.com... it's essentially a website reputation ranking service... they test websites for malicious behavior, and allow people to enter comments about websites that can be taken into consideration when ranking that site. There is a Firefox extension and an Internet Explorer BHO that colors search engine results green, yellow, or red based upon that domain's reputation, and a button with the same colors to warn people if they're surfing a malicious domain. My idea entails SiteAdvisor.com getting a data feed from SpamCop. All the domains reported to SpamCop would automatically receive a "This site spams" rating in SiteAdvisor for 48 hours after the last reported spam for that domain. After that, the "This site spams" rating derived from the SpamCop reports would be removed for that domain (thus, when the spammers abandon a domain, someone else can purchase that domain and not inherit it's past spamming history). User comments on the SiteAdvisor.com website about a domain would be permanent, however. Comments, suggestions, etc.? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 18 15:21:15 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 18 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop and SiteAdvisor... working together. References: Message-ID: Anonymous wrote: > My idea entails SiteAdvisor.com getting a data feed from SpamCop. For whatever it is worth, sc-surbl is currently getting some kind of reported spamvertised url/s from SC. surbl also has other sources of spamvertised url/s besides SC, so maybe siteadvisor should be getting feeds from surbl rather than from SC. http://www.surbl.org/ SURBL - Spam URI Realtime Blocklists -- // Here's an overview of the lists and their data sources. sc.surbl.org - SpamCop message-body URI domains ws.surbl.org - sa-blacklist domains as a SURBL ob.surbl.org - Outblaze spamvertised sites ab.surbl.org - AbuseButler spamvertised sites multi.surbl.org - Combined SURBL list ph - Phishing data source jp - jwSpamSpy + Prolocation data source // > Comments, suggestions, etc.? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Thu May 18 18:11:43 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Thu May 18 18:15:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop and SiteAdvisor... working together. References: Message-ID: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:e4io30$940$1@news.spamcop.net... Snip > My idea entails SiteAdvisor.com getting a data feed from SpamCop. All the > domains reported to SpamCop would automatically receive a "This site > spams" rating in SiteAdvisor for 48 hours after the last reported spam for > that domain. After that, the "This site spams" rating derived from the > SpamCop reports would be removed for that domain (thus, when the spammers > abandon a domain, someone else can purchase that domain and not inherit > it's past spamming history). > > User comments on the SiteAdvisor.com website about a domain would be > permanent, however. > > Comments, suggestions, etc.? > Well spammers often don't abandon domains, they abandon the compromised host the domain is on., and wait a week or more and reuse the name in later spam runs. From user at domain.invalid Thu May 18 20:13:21 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu May 18 20:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18.05.2006 07:54, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > Too bad this 'discussion' has to be a virtual one as I'd love to have a face > off in the kitchen inviting all the .social troops to partake and judge the > results. Likely the contest would be called on account of nap regardless. I threw a Mozilla 1.0 rollout party at my own expense. What a disaster that was, less than 12 folks showed up. But we ate quite well as my Wife did all the chef'ing. She'll NEVER do THAT again, cooks for family only in her retirement now. :-) Speaking about "roux", you've never witnessed an argument with my Wife involved speaking against using a roux ... Black Iron skillets have been known to take flight. However, she can easily take both sides of that one and it's really a fun sight to see the old time chefs gasp in horror at the mention of tossing a roux aside. Emeril's only comments was "say what?" .. true statement. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 19 02:13:08 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu May 18 20:15:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: "D-W-S" wrote in message news:slrne6n4go.1hdp.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... > Charles wrote on Wed, 17 May 2006 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC): > >> despite how terrible MS stuff is, people are MUCH more productive when >> using it. > > That depends entirely on what you're used to. I know for a fact that I'm > far *less* productive on a Windoze system. What do you produce? From user at domain.invalid Thu May 18 20:25:58 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu May 18 20:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18.05.2006 08:02, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > | And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) > > So is half of Baton Rough so what's your point? The good part is South of I-10. ;-) > Actually in the area of in question French Settlement is EAST of I-10. And North. :-) > Next you'll be telling me Kleinpeter is not a Cajun family name. You must be thinking of Kenny Kleinpeter. :-) From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu May 18 19:21:19 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu May 18 21:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Yea the augments are always settled by a cook off and it's hard to > fight on a full stomach especially with folk you just shared a bit > meal. I don't think I could even place or show [Preakness tomorrow] in a cookoff -- because all of my cooking has just been for myself. Whenever I have to think about someone else eating stuff I've cooked, I have to start making adjustments for the 'normal people' because I have such a funky palate. eg I'm a guy who likes to drink ice cold, really cold, lotsa ice, picklejuice, if it is 'good' -- properly seasoned and aged treatment of the vinegar with the spices and the cucumberness. Cold picklejuice is a completely different thing of course than drinking icecold 'imported' quality balsamic vinegar. Try serving a round of either of those for your guests. > Too bad this 'discussion' has to be a virtual one as I'd love to have > a face off in the kitchen inviting all the .social troops to partake > and judge the results. Likely the contest would be called on account > of nap regardless. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Thu May 18 22:39:53 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu May 18 22:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18.05.2006 20:21, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- > Frog Prince wrote: > >> Yea the augments are always settled by a cook off and it's hard to >> fight on a full stomach especially with folk you just shared a bit >> meal. > > I don't think I could even place or show [Preakness tomorrow] in a > cookoff -- because all of my cooking has just been for myself. Whenever > I have to think about someone else eating stuff I've cooked, I have to > start making adjustments for the 'normal people' because I have such a > funky palate. > > eg I'm a guy who likes to drink ice cold, really cold, lotsa ice, > picklejuice, if it is 'good' -- properly seasoned and aged treatment of > the vinegar with the spices and the cucumberness. Cold picklejuice is a > completely different thing of course than drinking icecold 'imported' > quality balsamic vinegar. Try serving a round of either of those for > your guests. > >> Too bad this 'discussion' has to be a virtual one as I'd love to have >> a face off in the kitchen inviting all the .social troops to partake >> and judge the results. Likely the contest would be called on account >> of nap regardless. > Ooof, I've met a few people such as yourself in my lifetime - Peanut Butter and Cucumber sandwiches are the chosen fare .. barf. But hey, whatever ruffles yer oyster. From me at privacy.net Fri May 19 14:40:27 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 19 13:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:e4j3ag$gm4$1@news.spamcop.net... | On 18.05.2006 08:02, Frog Prince wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > | And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) | > | > So is half of Baton Rough so what's your point? | | The good part is South of I-10. ;-) Woodland ridge and most of the higer end property is north of I10 even half of the university seciton is likewise north of I10. | | > Actually in the area of in question French Settlement is EAST of I-10. | | And North. :-) So's part of New Orleans so again what's you point? | | > Next you'll be telling me Kleinpeter is not a Cajun family name. | | You must be thinking of Kenny Kleinpeter. :-) No J.B. an old river boat captain with some really wild stores (this guy once ran a river show boat) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri May 19 22:26:31 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Steve Gilder) Date: Fri May 19 21:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network References: Message-ID: "G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|" wrote in message news:e4de30$ta8$1@news.spamcop.net... >I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I am >making an > inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, > etc. Does > anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what is > on a LAN? > > Try SolarWinds. From user at domain.invalid Sat May 20 09:39:05 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sat May 20 09:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 19.05.2006 12:40, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" wrote in message > news:e4j3ag$gm4$1@news.spamcop.net... > | On 18.05.2006 08:02, Frog Prince wrote: > | > | --- Original Message --- > | > | > | And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) > | > > | > So is half of Baton Rough so what's your point? > | > | The good part is South of I-10. ;-) > > Woodland ridge and most of the higer end property is north of I10 even half > of the university seciton is likewise north of I10. > | > | > Actually in the area of in question French Settlement is EAST of I-10. > | > | And North. :-) > > So's part of New Orleans so again what's you point? > | > | > Next you'll be telling me Kleinpeter is not a Cajun family name. > | > | You must be thinking of Kenny Kleinpeter. :-) > > No J.B. an old river boat captain with some really wild stores (this guy > once ran a river show boat) > > Oh c'mon, just poking a little fun at the North/South thing. North is meat and taters and the South is where the real cooking originates. My home is North of I-10 and my office is South of I-10 .. :-) From me at privacy.net Sat May 20 13:22:44 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 20 12:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" | > | | > | --- Original Message --- | > | | > | > | And French Settlement is NORTH of I-10 .. :-) | > | > | > | > So is half of Baton Rough so what's your point? | > | | > | The good part is South of I-10. ;-) | > | > Woodland ridge and most of the higher end property is north of I10 even half | > of the university section is likewise north of I10. | > | | > | > Actually in the area of in question French Settlement is EAST of I-10. | > | | > | And North. :-) | > | > So's part of New Orleans so again what's you point? | > | | > | > Next you'll be telling me Kleinpeter is not a Cajun family name. | > | | > | You must be thinking of Kenny Kleinpeter. :-) | > | > No J.B. an old river boat captain with some really wild stores (this guy | > once ran a river show boat) | > | > | | Oh c'mon, just poking a little fun at the North/South thing. North is | meat and taters and the South is where the real cooking originates. My | home is North of I-10 and my office is South of I-10 .. :-) Like I said: Cast iron pots and butane crag burners at 20 paces. Let the calories and artery clogging good stuff fall where they may. From jg at coks.net Sat May 20 11:12:56 2006 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Sat May 20 13:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Utility to tell me what's accessing the hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/18/2006 11:45 AM indigo scribbled: > spamacyde wrote: >> Is there a utility for windows XP that will tell me what process is >> accessing the hard drive at the current time? It would be helpful if >> the utility also deobfuscated the process name. >> >> Thanks in advance. > > Try TaskInfo, it might have what you're looking for. Lots more utilities and > info there than I can understand. > > and theres process explorer @ > http://www.sysinternals.com/... From me at privacy.net Sun May 21 10:49:17 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 21 09:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Back for more free advice - this time on CAD programs Message-ID: We have a project were I need to make patterns for various period clothing. I'm hoping there is a CAD program where by I can enter critical data such as (but not limited to) the various dimensions one would have on clothing (neck, chest, belt, inseam, arm and leg length) and by extension the same for shoes, hats, gloves. Right now we have a full blown Mac G4 (lap top) and an over pushed PC (W98SE 233) to work with. Planning on an new PC with multiple OS at a future date but no time line) Would like to start cheap (free is good) and progress as we gain experience. BTW we're doing this manually right now but would like to get to the point of being able to print out the patters on a wide printer or even go direction to a CNC material cutter. FP From user at domain.invalid Sun May 21 19:56:55 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun May 21 20:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20.05.2006 11:22, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > Like I said: Cast iron pots and butane crag burners at 20 paces. > Let the calories and artery clogging good stuff fall where they may. I have no problem with that but like I said, there are no losers, only winners! ;-) We'll start a new TV show locally called "Cast Iron Chef". Me tinks I may explore that one, off to see Frank Davis! ... :-D From me at privacy.net Sun May 21 22:39:23 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun May 21 21:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:e4qumi$4pi$1@news.spamcop.net... | On 20.05.2006 11:22, Frog Prince wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > Like I said: Cast iron pots and butane crag burners at 20 paces. | > Let the calories and artery clogging good stuff fall where they may. | | I have no problem with that but like I said, there are no losers, only | winners! ;-) A better word would be gainers. | | We'll start a new TV show locally called "Cast Iron Chef". Me tinks I | may explore that one, off to see Frank Davis! ... :-D From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun May 21 20:15:46 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun May 21 22:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: > I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I am > making an > inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, etc. > Does > anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what is > on a LAN? Visio From joegill at removethis Sun May 21 23:54:13 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun May 21 22:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:e4r6sq$du1$1@news.spamcop.net... > G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: >> I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I >> am making an >> inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, >> etc. Does >> anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what >> is on a LAN? > > Visio I know Visio is a great mapping tool.. but will it 'discover' too? From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun May 21 22:00:32 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon May 22 00:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > "Skiwi" wrote in message > news:e4r6sq$du1$1@news.spamcop.net... >> G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: >>> I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I >>> am making an >>> inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, >>> etc. Does >>> anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what >>> is on a LAN? >> Visio > > I know Visio is a great mapping tool.. but will it 'discover' too? Wizardry! :-) From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Mon May 22 12:32:57 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Mon May 22 05:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: Porpoise wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 01:13:08 +0100: > > What do you produce? > Mostly PHP code. Also translation work. Nothing that "works" better in any given O/S. However, I'm still far more at ease producing this stuff in a Unix environment. From user at domain.invalid Mon May 22 09:26:02 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon May 22 09:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: pressure cookers was Re: Need recommendations on security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 21.05.2006 20:39, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > A better word would be gainers. Same thing. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 22 16:45:55 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon May 22 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: "D-W-S" wrote in message news:slrne731a9.20hg.dws@dealing-with-spam.info... > Porpoise wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 01:13:08 +0100: > >> >> What do you produce? >> > > Mostly PHP code. Also translation work. Nothing that "works" better in > any given O/S. However, I'm still far more at ease producing this stuff > in a Unix environment. That's what I suspected. For text editing you could basically use a "shoebox". However, for "real" work ;-) most software and hardware drivers are written for Windoze (unfortunately). I can't run my Canon film scanner from Linux (for example) as it only has Windoze drivers available - ansd it's unlikely that anyone, anytime soon is going to spend the time and effort to write 'nix drivers for such a minority/specialized piece of kit. From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Mon May 22 22:18:26 2006 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Mon May 22 17:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 May 2006 13:52:48 -0700, G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: > I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. I am > making an > inventory of hardware and software, what server is at what IP address, etc. > Does > anyone have any favorite tools for doing an automated discovery of what is > on a LAN? If you haven't done so already, it would be an idea to also test the network from a security point of view from an external point of reference (i.e. a non-LAN, external IP address), using a tool such as nmap: http://www.insecure.org/ Finding security vulnerabilities now can save time (and money, and inconvenience, and downtime) later. -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 22 15:46:53 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Mon May 22 17:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Back for more free advice - this time on CAD programs References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote... > We have a project were I need to make patterns for various period > clothing. > > I'm hoping there is a CAD program where by I can enter critical data such > as > (but not limited to) the various dimensions one would have on clothing > (neck, chest, belt, inseam, arm and leg length) and by extension the same > for shoes, hats, gloves. > > Right now we have a full blown Mac G4 (lap top) and an over pushed PC > (W98SE > 233) to work with. Planning on an new PC with multiple OS at a future > date > but no time line) > > Would like to start cheap (free is good) and progress as we gain > experience. > > BTW we're doing this manually right now but would like to get to the point > of being able to print out the patters on a wide printer or even go > direction to a CNC material cutter. Google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?q=textile+computer-aided-design Also, try working backward; start calling vendors who make CNC material cutters and ask them what CAD you should buy so that, in the future when you become the next Levi Strauss, you will be set up to buy their products. G.M. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon May 22 15:51:55 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\|) Date: Mon May 22 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mapping a network References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote... > > Skiwi wrote... > >> G|_|Y |\/|AC0|\| wrote: >> >>> I just inherited IT as a part-time addition to my engineering duties. >>> I am making an inventory of hardware and software, what server is at >>> what IP address, etc. Does anyone have any favorite tools for doing an >>> automated discovery of what is on a LAN? >> >> Visio > > I know Visio is a great mapping tool.. but will it 'discover' too? All you have to do is hire an IT temp and say that he can keep the copy Visio when he delivers the info and collects his pay... :) From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue May 23 09:33:31 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Tue May 23 11:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Office Beta 2007 program enrollment interest you? Message-ID: "This will be the public Beta release of Office 2007. Beta is due out sometime at end of summer http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/ This is the link to sign up for beta news 'Register Now' and you'll be notified when the public preview is available. Registration doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the beta. You'll need a 'Windows Live ID' which is the latest name for the Microsoft Passport. Or just get a Hotmail account. You may also have to access this page with popup blocker off. You will however get the Beta on CD's with a full MSDN account" From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 24 11:37:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 24 10:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Fax machine question Message-ID: Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming faxes are coming from and give you the opportunity to delete them before they're printed? Mostly I want to get rid of fax spam, seeing as the FCC has done jack about the dozens and dozens of reports I've sent. And no, I won't be going to court, it's not my company. From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Wed May 24 10:50:14 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Wed May 24 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" writes: > Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming faxes are coming > from and give you the opportunity to delete them before they're printed? Certainly using your Macintosh to receive the faxes allows that. Nothing would print until you gave the word. From me at privacy.net Wed May 24 11:55:49 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed May 24 11:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e51rbl$rk6$1@news.spamcop.net... | Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming faxes are coming | from and give you the opportunity to delete them before they're printed? | | Mostly I want to get rid of fax spam, seeing as the FCC has done jack about the | dozens and dozens of reports I've sent. And no, I won't be going to court, it's not | my company. CC your local congress criter on the complaints with a cover letter the FCC ain't doing jack. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 24 09:07:46 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 24 11:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming > faxes are coming from and give you the opportunity to delete them > before they're printed? There is callerID. There is callerID manager and FaxFirewall as examples of screening faxes and other calls by callerID. > Mostly I want to get rid of fax spam, seeing as the FCC has done jack > about the dozens and dozens of reports I've sent. And no, I won't be > going to court, it's not my company. It depends on how you are setup and what kinds of faxes you 'need' to receive. If I need to receive a fax 'promiscuously' when I'm not here [take a fax from anything which calls and starts giving fax sending tones] then I setup my little Brother freestanding fax machine 'behind' my digital answering machine and configure it to Easy Receive. Then the answering machine answers, the fax machine 'snoops' on the line, and when it hears the faxtones it takes over and takes the fax, whether it is junx or wanted. If I don't want to do it that way, then I disable the easy answer and only enable fax receiving for the calls I want, ie that I am expecting. Then, I can get voice on the answering machine, but any faxes which come in while I am gone won't be received. In that configuration, if I am home and expecting a fax, then when I answer and hear the fax sending tones, I can enable the faxmach either manually or remotely with touchtones. Another way I do it is that I have fax capability of my computer and that modem can be configured to answer never, always, or manually. The computer fax capabilities naturally doesn't print any received faxes I don't want printed. There are also freestanding fax machines that receive and store, but don't print until/unless you want something printed. That callerid manager and faxfirewall stuff can be seen at http://www.smarthome.com/5133f.html Stop Receiving Junk Faxes Console uses Caller ID to dictate which faxes get through Create database using incoming or outgoing calls Use timer feature to screen calls during a specific time period -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 24 09:43:48 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 24 11:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > >> Certainly using your Macintosh to receive the faxes allows that. > > I'm positive she doesn't have a mac. > >> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Actually that is a pretty tricky argument/evidence. Not very many people keep track of which versions of which Mac OS can use which versions of which MS OE. I think the way it works is that the older pre-OS X Mac versions such as 8.1 to 9.x used the older version 5.0.6 of MS OE. The headers don't otherwise 'exclude' the Mac simply because MS's OE is being used to post here. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Wed May 24 12:38:10 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Wed May 24 12:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean writes: > In article , > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > >> Certainly using your Macintosh to receive the faxes allows that. > > I'm positive she doesn't have a mac. > >> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 "Having" is different from "currently using". Additionally, this post I am making comes from an Alpha VMS system. How are you to know that I am actually typing on a Macintosh through a terminal emulator. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 24 14:43:41 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 24 13:50:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e51uve$25d$1@news.spamcop.net... > David Dean wrote: > > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > > > >> Certainly using your Macintosh to receive the faxes allows that. > > > > I'm positive she doesn't have a mac. > > > >> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, which is why I asked. From philmarshcz at netscape.netnotcom Wed May 24 14:37:03 2006 From: philmarshcz at netscape.netnotcom (Phil) Date: Wed May 24 14:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know where you're coming from, I get spam faxes too. AFAIK the fax machine works on a receive all basis, there is caller id but that can be suppressed. You want a system that can be configured to block entry of inbound faxes to your machine's memory e.g. over night whilst unattended. It may be possible to download the fax machine's memory to a PC/MAC and interrogate the caller id prior to physically viewing and/or printing hundreds of spam faxes without losing client or other useful/wanted faxes. I'll try and recall the software... Spamvireslayer wrote: [clip'd] > I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax machine with some > advanced features, which may or may not even exist, which is why I asked. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed May 24 13:01:44 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed May 24 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > I'm looking for a fax > machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, > which is why I asked. They exist. When you do your search, include the terms fax memory junk barrier The advanced freestanding machines have memory for lotsa faxes not printed and a junk barrier based on callerid. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Wed May 24 16:04:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed May 24 15:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e52aii$jvp$1@news.spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > I'm looking for a fax > > machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, > > which is why I asked. > > They exist. When you do your search, include the terms fax memory junk > barrier > > The advanced freestanding machines have memory for lotsa faxes not > printed and a junk barrier based on callerid. AHH! Thank you, that was exactly what I needed, and I see that HP has them. If the sending phone no. is blocked (as they always are, it's illegal but they do it anyway), can it still be added if they choose not to display the sending number? It would seem they would choose to do that so as not to be blocked, and I know there are ways around Caller Id for people who don't want their number displayed to the recipient. Seems to me a friend had a problem with a nuisance caller and she could always tell it was her because her number was not displayed. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Wed May 24 13:27:36 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Wed May 24 15:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e52b2d$krc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e52aii$jvp$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >> > I'm looking for a fax >> > machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, >> > which is why I asked. >> >> They exist. When you do your search, include the terms fax memory junk >> barrier >> >> The advanced freestanding machines have memory for lotsa faxes not >> printed and a junk barrier based on callerid. > > AHH! Thank you, that was exactly what I needed, and I see that HP has > them. If the > sending phone no. is blocked (as they always are, it's illegal but they do > it > anyway), can it still be added if they choose not to display the sending > number? It > would seem they would choose to do that so as not to be blocked, and I > know there are > ways around Caller Id for people who don't want their number displayed to > the > recipient. Seems to me a friend had a problem with a nuisance caller and > she could > always tell it was her because her number was not displayed. > > I have a neighbor that has her phone blocked to anyone who has blocked their ID from being displayed. The phone company message says that that phone is blocked until I press *82 to display my caller ID, then when I key in her number after the *82, my call goes through. (I have automatically had the phone company block my ID to all but the 800 type numbers.) When she sees my caller ID she answers the phone - if she doesn't like who calls, she does not answer. I think the fax machines can/should have a similar screener - no ID = no pick-up-the-phone. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin From user at domain.invalid Wed May 24 22:47:14 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed May 24 22:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24.05.2006 12:43, Spamvireslayer wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e51uve$25d$1@news.spamcop.net... >> David Dean wrote: >> > (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >> > >> >> Certainly using your Macintosh to receive the faxes allows that. >> > >> > I'm positive she doesn't have a mac. >> > >> >> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 > > I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax machine with some > advanced features, which may or may not even exist, which is why I asked. > > Like I do ... Caller ID remote display inline with the FAX machine, check numbers of incoming fax spam and add to caller block list if your provider supplies the feature, COX does. From user at domain.invalid Wed May 24 22:49:44 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed May 24 22:50:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24.05.2006 14:04, Spamvireslayer wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e52aii$jvp$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >> > I'm looking for a fax >> > machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, >> > which is why I asked. >> >> They exist. When you do your search, include the terms fax memory junk >> barrier >> >> The advanced freestanding machines have memory for lotsa faxes not >> printed and a junk barrier based on callerid. > > AHH! Thank you, that was exactly what I needed, and I see that HP has them. If the > sending phone no. is blocked (as they always are, it's illegal but they do it > anyway), can it still be added if they choose not to display the sending number? It > would seem they would choose to do that so as not to be blocked, and I know there are > ways around Caller Id for people who don't want their number displayed to the > recipient. Seems to me a friend had a problem with a nuisance caller and she could > always tell it was her because her number was not displayed. > > Getting around the caller ID can also be blocked if your Telco has that feature. Worth an inquiry and only a coupla bux extra per month. From avoozl at spamcop.net Wed May 24 23:12:03 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu May 25 01:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: Have you tried looking on www.brother.com? I've considered picking up one of their faxes for quite a while. Chris "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e51rbl$rk6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming faxes > are coming > from and give you the opportunity to delete them before they're printed? > > Mostly I want to get rid of fax spam, seeing as the FCC has done jack > about the > dozens and dozens of reports I've sent. And no, I won't be going to > court, it's not > my company. > > From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Thu May 25 11:19:55 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Thu May 25 04:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: User wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 21:49:44 -0500: > Getting around the caller ID can also be blocked if your Telco has > that feature. Worth an inquiry and only a coupla bux extra per month. Agreed. I have it here. Teleslime calls went from up to 20 a day to zero overnight. From user at domain.invalid Thu May 25 08:46:08 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu May 25 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 25.05.2006 00:12, Chris F. Willoughby wrote: --- Original Message --- > Have you tried looking on www.brother.com? I've considered picking up one > of their faxes for quite a while. > > Chris Just a "side note" about Brother FAX machines. The Control-Center software that comes with some of their models will NOT allow you to fax more tha ONE page per call. To fax more than one page per call you have to do it from the machine itself. The control-center workaround is to scan to file as .pdf however many pages you want to fax. Then, using a PDF Merger application, merge the files into one and fax that. In this day and age of advanced apps and devices, this really SUX, bigtime !!! From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org Fri May 26 08:35:41 2006 From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri May 26 03:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: On 22 May 2006, - Porpoise entered spamcop.geeks and left news:e4siu7$u1r$1@news.spamcop.net: > I can't run my Canon film scanner > from Linux (for example) as it only has Windoze drivers available - > ansd it's unlikely that anyone, anytime soon is going to spend the > time and effort to write 'nix drivers for such a minority/specialized > piece of kit. http://www.sane-project.org/ -- | Ric From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org Fri May 26 09:22:02 2006 From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri May 26 04:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: On 24 May 2006, - Spamvireslayer entered spamcop.geeks and left news:e51rbl$rk6$1@news.spamcop.net: > Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming > faxes are coming from and give you the opportunity to delete them > before they're printed? > This might do what you need http://www.command-comm.com/cs30.html I found this on eBay, but I never tried one, it isn't exactly what I needed, you can do a search for ComSwitch. "Command Communications, Inc., a pioneering developer of best-selling telephone line sharing devices, has added the increasingly popular TeleZapper® technology for its newest line-sharing device, the ComSwitch 3.0. This new functionality will make the ComSwitch 3.0 the first device to automatically route calls to phones or fax machines, while rejecting many telemarketing calls and computer-generated junk faxes. " -- | Ric From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 26 20:41:32 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri May 26 14:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows email server? References: <1147570451.136005@sky> Message-ID: "Blammo" wrote in message news:Xns97CF654D7F41blammo@216.154.195.61... > On 22 May 2006, - Porpoise entered spamcop.geeks and left > news:e4siu7$u1r$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> I can't run my Canon film scanner >> from Linux (for example) as it only has Windoze drivers available - >> ansd it's unlikely that anyone, anytime soon is going to spend the >> time and effort to write 'nix drivers for such a minority/specialized >> piece of kit. > > http://www.sane-project.org/ Unfortunately not.... Nor my Microtek.... Nor my TV tuner.... Nor my wireless cards.... Maybe when I win the lottery, I can replace everything with Linux compatible kit....... From / at /.cn Sat May 27 11:34:12 2006 From: / at /.cn (Petzl) Date: Fri May 26 20:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e5268q$dgb$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax machine > with some > advanced features, which may or may not even exist, which is why I asked. > What's wrong with getting faxes by email? I'm in Australia and use http://www.mbox.com.au/ They give you a "virtual" phone number I would guess such servics are avaliable worldwide I find though faxes going the way of the "teletype" machines More people have email addresses than fax machines and is the preferred method of receiving information Petzl -- Check your computers security (free) From / at /.cn Sat May 27 12:39:17 2006 From: / at /.cn (Petzl) Date: Fri May 26 21:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Simple apartment security system 'just because I can...' References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:e1sfsi$qeu$1@news.spamcop.net... >I was just thinking, what hardware and software time and $$ investment >might I have to make to cobble together a simple apartment security system >'just because I can...' > Video surveillance http://www.supervisioncam.com/ Good software may other types similar This will via a camera and computer detect movement and send photos to internet as well as activate other "hardware". Like calling you on your mobile to check the/your web page to see probably grandmas cat having fun (But then again :-< ) This program will handle as many cameras as you have video ports for (I think the USB limit is 255? Plus the Hardware slots you have left for Video cards) Ordinary Modern Home Video camera's are (IMO) the best for price, can maybe "got" free from friends of friends who repair them? Just ring the majors repair centres like Sony, Cannon etc to see if any they are about to junk are available (I believe modern home Vidoecams are better than so called dedicated and expensive surveillance cameras, If you can get these free its even better) Often the Video tape systems drive, on these cameras fail. But the optics and camera will work excellently for surveillance only and are usually junked by repairer as being too costly to repair Most Home Video cameras see in the dark as well as very low light and take clear enough "stills" to see the colour of their eyes. You can put discrete height markers around home to further identify. Positioning cameras in special manner ( e.g 2 from above, 1 from mid and two from floor Ideally same from back view) can also give biometric identification/information (can be more accurate than a finger print. Everyone has different arm, leg, hand, size etc) Pays to advertise video biometric surveillance and criminals will often go elsewhere. Have a light flash when you enter apartment to remind you to turn off the software (this can be done by remote before entering) Petzl -- Check your computers security (free) From me at privacy.net Fri May 26 22:32:26 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri May 26 21:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Petzl" wrote in message news:e586qf$l4e$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message | news:e5268q$dgb$1@news.spamcop.net... | | > | > I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax machine | > with some | > advanced features, which may or may not even exist, which is why I asked. | > | What's wrong with getting faxes by email? | | I'm in Australia and use | http://www.mbox.com.au/ | They give you a "virtual" phone number | I would guess such servics are avaliable worldwide | | I find though faxes going the way of the "teletype" machines | More people have email addresses than fax machines and is the preferred | method of receiving information FAXes carry legal approval that can be used in court. Emails have a long way to go before they reach that level. From / at /.cn Sat May 27 13:30:24 2006 From: / at /.cn (Petzl) Date: Fri May 26 22:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e58al5$p6u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Petzl" wrote in message news:e586qf$l4e$1@news.spamcop.net... [S] > | What's wrong with getting faxes by email? > | > | I'm in Australia and use > | http://www.mbox.com.au/ > | They give you a "virtual" phone number > | I would guess such servics are avaliable worldwide > | > | I find though faxes going the way of the "teletype" machines > | More people have email addresses than fax machines and is the preferred > | method of receiving information > > FAXes carry legal approval that can be used in court. Emails have a long > way to go before they reach that level. > So I get and send my faxes by email? What does this legally imply and should I care? The received faxes I get is made into a "TIFF" format although other options like PDF, JPG, etc are available I so far have not needed to send or received faxes for legal purpose and do not know if many people do need a legal requirement I have seen in/via media where emails are used as court evidence though? With convictions applied because of email evidence? Petzl -- Check your computers security (free) From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat May 27 06:44:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 27 08:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: Petzl wrote: > What's wrong with getting faxes by email? In some situations it is a 'good deal' -- depending. > I'm in Australia and use > http://www.mbox.com.au/ > They give you a "virtual" phone number > I would guess such servics are avaliable worldwide Your .au mbox has 3 deals, ranging from $10 - 10 AUD = 7.60 USD - to 295 AUD/mo and the $10 covers to 400 pages of faxes. That's a good deal if you need 400 or some lesser number of pages of faxes/mo, but maybe not if you only need one every once in a while. Who wants to pay $10/mo for something they rarely use? My ISP provider was promoting a 'deal' with the efax dudes the other day about eml2fax & fax2eml for $13 USD/mo. That isn't actually a good deal for most people depending on their needs. > I find though faxes going the way of the "teletype" machines > More people have email addresses than fax machines and is the > preferred method of receiving information Getting or sending faxes by email has a lot of advantages of course. For years I 'resisted' the fax 'solutions', but I discovered that a surprising number of 'situations' were such that my 'correspondent' - say a receptionist in some elsewhere office - had no choices other than fax. She could *only* fax something. She could not snail mail, because she wasn't given 'authority' to have envelopes and stamps, and she could not email, because she didn't have a computer or the material in question accessible in emailable condition. In a small office environment, I was able to 'refuse' to run a fax machine, where we used a copy machine and snailmail instead because our needs to send or receive fax were rare, but we most often encountered a problem with those from whom we wanted something, even snailmail 'slowly', who could not snail mail it and could not email it. Then our 2 person office management and staff ;-) simply received or sent faxes at home for the office. A lot of people wanted to fax us 'junk' but we simply declined. At home I can receive or send fax with the computer or freestanding machine. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat May 27 06:58:14 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat May 27 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > FAXes carry legal approval that can be used in court. Emails have a > long way to go before they reach that level. The actual 'reality' [what is reality?] of security is that digital security and digital signatures of digital documents is potentially more secure than paper and paper impressing seals and witnessed signatures and notaries and their stamps -- much less faxes over insecure analog telephone lines. But, the other reality is that what is actually real is what the /court/ recognizes as real or secure or 'certifiable'. The court is often behind the times in terms of technology, and other times is right up to date. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From / at /.cn Sun May 28 01:01:58 2006 From: / at /.cn (Petzl) Date: Sat May 27 10:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e59hiv$1po$1@news.spamcop.net... > Petzl wrote: > >> What's wrong with getting faxes by email? > > In some situations it is a 'good deal' -- depending. > >> I'm in Australia and use >> http://www.mbox.com.au/ >> They give you a "virtual" phone number >> I would guess such servics are avaliable worldwide > > Your .au mbox has 3 deals, ranging from $10 - 10 AUD = 7.60 USD - to 295 > AUD/mo and the $10 covers to 400 pages of faxes. That's a good deal if > you need 400 or some lesser number of pages of faxes/mo, but maybe not > if you only need one every once in a while. Who wants to pay $10/mo for > something they rarely use? My ISP provider was promoting a 'deal' with > the efax dudes the other day about eml2fax & fax2eml for $13 USD/mo. > That isn't actually a good deal for most people depending on their > needs. > >> I find though faxes going the way of the "teletype" machines >> More people have email addresses than fax machines and is the >> preferred method of receiving information > > Getting or sending faxes by email has a lot of advantages of course. > > For years I 'resisted' the fax 'solutions', but I discovered that a > surprising number of 'situations' were such that my 'correspondent' - > say a receptionist in some elsewhere office - had no choices other than > fax. She could *only* fax something. She could not snail mail, because > she wasn't given 'authority' to have envelopes and stamps, and she could > not email, because she didn't have a computer or the material in > question accessible in emailable condition. > > In a small office environment, I was able to 'refuse' to run a fax > machine, where we used a copy machine and snailmail instead because our > needs to send or receive fax were rare, but we most often encountered a > problem with those from whom we wanted something, even snailmail > 'slowly', who could not snail mail it and could not email it. Then our > 2 person office management and staff ;-) simply received or sent faxes > at home for the office. A lot of people wanted to fax us 'junk' but we > simply declined. > > At home I can receive or send fax with the computer or freestanding > machine. > My situation is in Australia we are charged AU$40 a month for a phone/fax line used or not, very few people I know comunicate with fax but there is the odd one so I keep fax alive via a "virtual phone line" which in actual fact is a VoIp connection When I can get rid of copper wire connections I will do so depending on cost WiMax looks like starting in Australia backed by Intel next year So for me here's hoping the copper wire monopoly will die -- Petzl -- Check your computers security (free) From joegill at removethis Sat May 27 15:27:18 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat May 27 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:e51rbl$rk6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Is there such a thing as a fax that will let you see where incoming faxes > are coming > from and give you the opportunity to delete them before they're printed? > > Mostly I want to get rid of fax spam, seeing as the FCC has done jack > about the > dozens and dozens of reports I've sent. And no, I won't be going to > court, it's not > my company. > > I know the OP, wants(or at least I am inferring wants..) a 'standalone' fax machine solution.... But there is another solution for 'junk faxes' and printing faxes, etc. etc.... Before I mention the solution I have used in the past, I have NO relationship to the product involved in the solution, other than 'satisfied user'.... For people on a broadband connection, you can put your modem to good use, with a product called SNAPPYFAX from Snappysoftware.com. It's cheap. You can use it to send/received faxes from PC. You just leave it up to received faxes. Junk ones you don't print. Info only ones your just need to read, you read... Ones you really need to print, you print. You can also email out images, too With this and a sheetfeed scanner ... why would someone need a fax machine? From me at privacy.net Sat May 27 16:40:41 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 27 15:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Petzl" | > FAXes carry legal approval that can be used in court. Emails have a long | > way to go before they reach that level. | > | So I get and send my faxes by email? | What does this legally imply and should I care? | The received faxes I get is made into a "TIFF" format although other options | like PDF, JPG, etc are available | I so far have not needed to send or received faxes for legal purpose and do | not know if many people do need a legal requirement | I have seen in/via media where emails are used as court evidence though? | With convictions applied because of email evidence? My point had to do with civil contract law. An email cannot currently be used in effective support of an agreement. Whereas a FAX has been adjudicated as having legal sanction. i.e. if it's faxed it is much the same as if it were written and mailed in hard copy. Much of what I do does not have that requirment, SOME of what I do does ergo I have a fax maching avaiable for those types of communictations. From me at privacy.net Sat May 27 16:43:10 2006 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat May 27 15:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e59id0$2la$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > FAXes carry legal approval that can be used in court. Emails have a | > long way to go before they reach that level. | | The actual 'reality' [what is reality?] of security is that digital | security and digital signatures of digital documents is potentially more | secure than paper and paper impressing seals and witnessed signatures | and notaries and their stamps -- much less faxes over insecure analog | telephone lines. | | But, the other reality is that what is actually real is what the /court/ | recognizes as real or secure or 'certifiable'. The court is often | behind the times in terms of technology, and other times is right up to | date. The circumstance has more to do with legal precedents than the level of security i.e. that case law support FAX documents and does not (as yet) support other media. From / at /.cn Sun May 28 09:25:30 2006 From: / at /.cn (Petzl) Date: Sat May 27 18:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:e5aa63$r0e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Petzl" [S] > My point had to do with civil contract law. An email cannot currently be > used in effective support of an agreement. Whereas a FAX has been > adjudicated as having legal sanction. i.e. if it's faxed it is much the > same as if it were written and mailed in hard copy. > > Much of what I do does not have that requirment, SOME of what I do does > ergo > I have a fax maching avaiable for those types of communictations. > Thanks for the info I suppose if one has to send a fax that fits the criteria you mention I or anyone can then send from computer after scanning via telephone? Although I can still do this via my "virtual" fax. (has a dedicated phone number) I would think this to be just as legal as a dedicated fax machine in home. being very reliable as well as clear as sent. I doubt anyone including the courts would know or bother asking I did once use a direct line but were missing faxes sent because telstra Australi was unable and or unwilling to repair (they stilll charged the same) My virtual fax phone number seems state of art no faxes are missed not that nowadays I get many -- Petzl -- Check your computers security (free) From joegill at removethis Mon May 29 11:27:34 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon May 29 10:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need CR2032 Batteries (ie: GM cars with the 'keyless' entry system?) Message-ID: Most of the GM cars use the same transmitter.... New batteries in the $3.99 range.... Here is a 'quirck' going on now.. and others may have the use for the same battery... Radio Shack has on closeout (online and store) a Sharp Personal Organizer YO-P5B (65-1227) It contains the same battery! Cost? $1.97 ! Just thought I'd pass it on, since it's a widely used battery! From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon May 29 12:36:32 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon May 29 12:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need CR2032 Batteries (ie: GM cars with the 'keyless' entry system?) References: Message-ID: Joe Gill did pass the time by typing: > Most of the GM cars use the same transmitter.... > New batteries in the $3.99 range.... > > Here is a 'quirck' going on now.. and others may have the use for the same > battery... > > Radio Shack has on closeout (online and store) a Sharp Personal Organizer > YO-P5B (65-1227) > It contains the same battery! Cost? $1.97 ! > > Just thought I'd pass it on, since it's a widely used battery! 3.99! That's sad for a battery that should only cost .99 http://www.batterybob.com/category.asp?cat=9024 At work we have several folks with the same remotes/laser pointers/etc and generally buy in bulk. But even in packs of 5 the cost shouldn't be more than 1$ each. -- DougW From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue May 30 12:36:08 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue May 30 12:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: Message-ID: <447C6668.509249E5@spamcop.net> Spamvireslayer wrote: [...] > I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax > machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, > which is why I asked. I have seen fax machines which can be used to receive "secure" faxes. That is, it holds it in memory until you come over and enter your PIN. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't fax machines out there that will do a similar thing with all faxes, and (hopefully) show you info about the fax (such as caller ID and number of pages). You might be able to eliminate at least some of the junk faxes by having your phone company place an "anonymous call block" on the line. That is, any call that comes without caller ID info is blocked by the telco before it even rings at your end. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue May 30 12:44:28 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue May 30 12:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need CR2032 Batteries (ie: GM cars with the 'keyless' entry system?) References: Message-ID: <447C685C.ADB7D236@spamcop.net> DougW wrote: > > Joe Gill did pass the time by typing: > > Most of the GM cars use the same transmitter.... > > New batteries in the $3.99 range.... [...] > 3.99! That's sad for a battery that should only cost .99 > http://www.batterybob.com/category.asp?cat=9024 And www-cr2032.com (yes, that's a dash not a dot) takes you to another batterybob.com page. There's also which shows $1.50 each at quantity 2, and $0.65 each at quantity 10. > At work we have several folks with the same remotes/laser pointers/etc > and generally buy in bulk. But even in packs of 5 the cost shouldn't > be more than 1$ each. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Tue May 30 15:29:05 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Tue May 30 17:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Fax machine question References: <447C6668.509249E5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:447C6668.509249E5@spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: > [...] >> I don't receive faxes on my computer, guys, I'm looking for a fax >> machine with some advanced features, which may or may not even exist, >> which is why I asked. > > I have seen fax machines which can be used to receive "secure" faxes. > That is, it holds it in memory until you come over and enter your PIN. > I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't fax machines out there that > will do a similar thing with all faxes, and (hopefully) show you info > about the fax (such as caller ID and number of pages). > > You might be able to eliminate at least some of the junk faxes by having > your phone company place an "anonymous call block" on the line. That is, > any call that comes without caller ID info is blocked by the telco before > it even rings at your end. > That is what my neighbor has on his phone line - I have to (my ID is locked) dial *82 then his number to reach him. Sounds like the same for the FAX line. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin > -- > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | > | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > Don't e-mail me at: > > From six.million at dollar.man Tue May 30 21:33:23 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Tue May 30 20:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need CR2032 Batteries (ie: GM cars with the 'keyless' entry system?) References: Message-ID: "Joe Gill" wrote in message news:e5f0cj$nl5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Most of the GM cars use the same transmitter.... > New batteries in the $3.99 range.... > > Here is a 'quirck' going on now.. and others may have the use for the same > battery... > > Radio Shack has on closeout (online and store) a Sharp Personal Organizer > YO-P5B (65-1227) > It contains the same battery! Cost? $1.97 ! > > Just thought I'd pass it on, since it's a widely used battery! > I get them from the local home depot near the garage door openers...