From sgrayban at NO-SPAM.borgnet.us Fri Sep 2 09:34:31 2005 From: sgrayban at NO-SPAM.borgnet.us (Scott Grayban) Date: Fri Sep 2 11:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] hotmail/msn rejecting spam reports now Message-ID: Hotmail has resorted to accepting spam then rejecting it now claiming the report is spam. Of course its spam -- its a copy of the spam received. Sending any reports to abuse@hotmail.com or msn is useless now. ----------------- Authentication-Results: mta1.borgnet.us from=MAILER-DAEMON@hotmail.com; sender-id=softfail; spf=fail (NotPermitted) Return-Path: Received: from vmx1.spamcop.net (vmx1.spamcop.net [204.15.82.27]) by mta1.borgnet.us (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j82FNIcK022757 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:23:18 GMT Posted-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:23:18 GMT Received-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:23:18 GMT Received: from sc-app5.ironport.com (HELO spamcop.net) (204.15.82.24) by vmx1.spamcop.net with SMTP; 02 Sep 2005 08:23:13 -0700 X-SpamCop-Reply-Ids: 1500527441 X-Spamcop-Return-Path: Received: from vmx1.spamcop.net (vmx1.spamcop.net [204.15.82.27]) by sc-app5.soma.ironport.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D311F2F8E6 for <1500527441@reports.spamcop.net>; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bay0-pcs2.bay0.hotmail.com (65.54.241.240) by vmx1.spamcop.net with ESMTP; 02 Sep 2005 08:21:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost) by bay0-pcs2.bay0.hotmail.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id j82FL8xB005142; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <200509021521.j82FL8xB005142@bay0-pcs2.bay0.hotmail.com> To: 1500527441@reports.spamcop.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="j82FL8xB005142.1125674468/bay0-pcs2.bay0.hotmail.com" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on borgnet.us X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on borgnet.us X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_FAIL,SPF_HELO_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.0.4 Status: RO X-Status: RC X-KMail-EncryptionState: N X-KMail-SignatureState: N X-KMail-MDN-Sent: The original message was received at Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) from root@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- abuse@css.one.microsoft.com (reason: 550 5.7.1 ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mailb.microsoft.com.: >>> DATA <<< 550 5.7.1 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable -- Scott Grayban (Remove the NO-SPAM in the email address to reply) From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Fri Sep 2 09:55:18 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Fri Sep 2 12:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hotmail/msn rejecting spam reports now Somewhat True In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott Grayban wrote: > Hotmail has resorted to accepting spam then rejecting it now claiming the > report is spam. > > Of course its spam -- its a copy of the spam received. Sending any reports > to abuse@hotmail.com or msn is useless now. > the above address was not the one that bounced. > > ----------------- > > Authentication-Results: mta1.borgnet.us from=MAILER-DAEMON@hotmail.com; > sender-id=softfail; spf=fail (NotPermitted) <======= > Return-Path: > > The original message was received at Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) > from root@localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > abuse@css.one.microsoft.com <================ this is the address that bounced It appears that they forward abuse mail to this address. > (reason: 550 5.7.1 filter on gateway (131.107.3.123).Reason...uage, graphics, or spam-like > characteristics. Removing these may let the e-mail through the filter.>) > -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From sgrayban at NO-SPAM.borgnet.us Fri Sep 2 11:00:54 2005 From: sgrayban at NO-SPAM.borgnet.us (Scott Grayban) Date: Fri Sep 2 13:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hotmail/msn rejecting spam reports now Somewhat True References: Message-ID: So they are still bouncing the emails and refusing all spam reports. Figures -- after all they could careless. Scott On Friday September 02 2005 08:55 - Brian wrote: > Scott Grayban wrote: >> Hotmail has resorted to accepting spam then rejecting it now claiming the >> report is spam. >> >> Of course its spam -- its a copy of the spam received. Sending any >> reports to abuse@hotmail.com or msn is useless now. >> > > the above address was not the one that bounced. > >> >> ----------------- >> >> Authentication-Results: mta1.borgnet.us from=MAILER-DAEMON@hotmail.com; >> sender-id=softfail; spf=fail (NotPermitted) <======= >> Return-Path: > > > >> >> The original message was received at Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:20:56 -0700 (PDT) >> from root@localhost >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> abuse@css.one.microsoft.com <================ this is the address >> that bounced > > It appears that they forward abuse mail to this address. > >> (reason: 550 5.7.1 > filter on gateway (131.107.3.123).Reason...uage, graphics, or spam-like >> characteristics. Removing these may let the e-mail through the filter.>) >> > > -- Scott Grayban (Remove the NO-SPAM in the email address to reply) From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:02:44 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Time to upgrade Message-ID: This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I pick? I'm so confused... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 2 17:12:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or > I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to > something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with > Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I > pick? I'm so confused... IMO? No comparison. Go with the new monitor. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:15:11 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or >>I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to >>something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with >>Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I >>pick? I'm so confused... > > > IMO? No comparison. Go with the new monitor. > > Why? Not that I'm being obstinate, I just want to get your thoughts on it too. :) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Sep 2 16:18:10 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: indigo did pass the time by typing: > Borgholio wrote: >> This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or >> I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to >> something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with >> Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I >> pick? I'm so confused... > > IMO? No comparison. Go with the new monitor. 14"... eep. monitor gets my vote. I can't imagine using anything less than 19" unless it's the laptoppy. Monitorwise the system here uses a ViewSonic E90fb flat tube. Yea.. it's a big fscking boat anchor, but so far LCD just can't touch tube resolution and contrast. 1600x1200 full color and higher for playing Quake. :) -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:20:04 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > indigo did pass the time by typing: > >>Borgholio wrote: >> >>>This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or >>>I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to >>>something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with >>>Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I >>>pick? I'm so confused... >> >>IMO? No comparison. Go with the new monitor. > > > 14"... eep. > > monitor gets my vote. > I can't imagine using anything less than 19" unless > it's the laptoppy. > > Monitorwise the system here uses a ViewSonic E90fb flat tube. > Yea.. it's a big fscking boat anchor, but so far LCD just can't > touch tube resolution and contrast. 1600x1200 full color and > higher for playing Quake. :) > Well being an LCD, when it says 14" it really is a 14" screen...not like a 14" CRT that has a viewable area of 12" . From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Sep 2 16:27:26 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > Well being an LCD, when it says 14" it really is a 14" screen...not like a > 14" CRT that has a viewable area of 12" . Yep. Need a monitor? I have a Nec Multisync 2D. :) 12" with a whopping 10.5" viewable at 800x600 16bit color. It came new with my Dell 310. -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:28:33 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > > >>Well being an LCD, when it says 14" it really is a 14" screen...not like a >>14" CRT that has a viewable area of 12" . > > > Yep. Need a monitor? I have a Nec Multisync 2D. :) 12" with a whopping 10.5" viewable > at 800x600 16bit color. It came new with my Dell 310. > Oh gasp...my Pocket PC has a better screen than that. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:29:15 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Why? Not that I'm being obstinate, I just want to get your thoughts on it >>too. :) > > > The difference you'll notice with the larger monitor will be far > greater than the difference you will notice from the faster CPU. > True. And all I'd need to upgrade is the video card so I can handle games at high rez. With the mobo / CPU I'd have to do a repair install of XP and all that fun stuff... K, monitor it is for me then. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Sep 2 17:30:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References:

Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > > Why? Not that I'm being obstinate, I just want to get your > > thoughts on it too. :) > > The difference you'll notice with the larger monitor will be far > greater than the difference you will notice from the faster CPU. Exactamundo. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 14:41:50 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 16:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: > >>In article , >> Borgholio wrote: >> >> >>>Why? Not that I'm being obstinate, I just want to get your >>>thoughts on it too. :) >> >> The difference you'll notice with the larger monitor will be far >>greater than the difference you will notice from the faster CPU. > > > Exactamundo. > > I can get a 19" LCD for under 300 bucks at most places...around $250 if I can find one on sale. I'll go grab one of them this weekend. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 15:08:15 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 17:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > >> David Dean wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Why? Not that I'm being obstinate, I just want to get your >>>> thoughts on it too. :) >>> >>> >>> The difference you'll notice with the larger monitor will be far >>> greater than the difference you will notice from the faster CPU. >> >> >> >> Exactamundo. >> >> > > I can get a 19" LCD for under 300 bucks at most places...around $250 if > I can find one on sale. I'll go grab one of them this weekend. Well, all the 19" LCDs that were on sale last week are over 300 today. The only ones within my price range have a 25ms access time. Normally I'd think that sucks...but just out of curiosity I looked up my current monitor's response time. 50ms. So I guess 25ms isn't as bad as it originally sounded. :) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Sep 2 17:55:54 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Sep 2 18:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dfab4i$349$1@news.spamcop.net... > This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or I can > upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to something a bit > faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, or a > Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I pick? I'm so confused... Dang! Indigo's connection issue allegedly went away with no apparent "solution" pointed to. And now Borg shows back up again with no closing of that thread either. Reference: From: JohnL Newsgroups: spamcop.help Subject: Anyone here using SBC - West Coast ? Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Path: news.spamcop.net!not-for-mail From: "WazoO" Newsgroups: spamcop.geeks Subject: ping! - Indigo Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:19:38 -0500 Message-ID: From joegill at removethis Fri Sep 2 22:34:27 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dfab4i$349$1@news.spamcop.net... > This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or I can > upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to something a bit > faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, or a > Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I pick? I'm so confused... Now I will come in from 'left field' with an alternate suggestion(s) A) If you go for the upgraded monitor, do you have a video card that will really exploit it? B) If you have $N to spend are you sure you are getting the bang for your $$$$'s.... What I mean is..... I am a 'performance person', always trying to make the PC run as fast a possible for day-to-day things.. What is the current disk technology you are using? What about the RAM speed and bus speed? I guess I am into seeing what your 'needs' are and then pouring the bucks there.... just a different perspective..... From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Sep 2 19:40:08 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 2 21:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dfab4i$349$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or I > > can > >>upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to something a bit >>faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, or a >>Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I pick? I'm so confused... > > > Now I will come in from 'left field' with an alternate suggestion(s) > > A) If you go for the upgraded monitor, do you have a video card that will > really exploit it? My card is a GeForce 4 Ti4200. Not top of the line, but not a budget card, either. It works well enough at 1024x768 32-bit color. To fully exploit the new monitor I would need to upgrade, however. > > B) If you have $N to spend are you sure you are getting the bang for your > $$$$'s.... > What I mean is..... > I am a 'performance person', always trying to make the PC run as fast > a possible for day-to-day things.. > What is the current disk technology you are using? ATA 100 / 133. > What about the RAM speed and bus speed? PC-2100 RAM / 533mhz bus. > > I guess I am into seeing what your 'needs' are and then pouring the > bucks there.... > > just a different perspective..... > > Well a larger monitor would certainly help. My CPU is actually fast enough...my memory could do for an upgrade but that'd require a new motherboard. To add SATA to my current setup would require a controller card and a complete re-install of XP to get it to work correctly. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Sep 3 11:04:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Sep 3 10:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Disaster recovery. Message-ID: I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about data recovery. I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Sep 3 11:12:36 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sat Sep 3 10:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Hide email address/es this way? Message-ID: Hi to all you gurus, I'm redesigning/updating a web site (simple, a tiny bit of java, mostly html, some graphics and a need to be able to show emails). I've had a fair amount of success with graphic email addresses but of course they can't easily be made clickable and remain secure. So I was wondering: Do bots bother doing a DIR on a site, or do they only follow links? If a page of email addresses were "hidden", meaning -not- linked to, but at some point in the linked pages directions were given on how to assemble that "hidden" URL to the page, I might be able to make it fairly easy for a visitor to get to the hidden page where there will be a clickable address. Would that work to any degree? I guess it depends on whether a bot does a DIR on a site and I can't find any info that says yay or nay. With everyone going to undictionariable email names it's sometimes pretty hard to get a name spelled correctly, so some form of clickable is a big advantage, especially in my case - an alumni site. OR, does anyone know whether there is a depth into links that a bot will not go to? That would be inconvenient, but would still allow a clickable link for addresses. Presently I have my some secret addresses spelled with AT and DOT but it's still being hit. I even tried using &#xx; and that was scraped, too. Javascript was useless and was scraped also. Actually, the most successful (empiracal) method I've used is the heypete poisoning list with the word "wpoison" poppered around on the same page and a tiny do-nothing javascript. It hasn't completely stopped them, but it's stopped what seem to be the big ones. Comments/criticisms/critiques cheerfully accepted. No, I will not expose any of the URLs here. TIA, Pop From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Sat Sep 3 13:38:10 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Sep 3 15:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: I'm no disaster recovery expert here.. but if you can get the damn things dry.. you might be able to save part of em.. on the other hand.. an 'I told you so' couldn't make things any worse at this point.. Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dfcah6$dr2$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about > data recovery. > > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. > > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. > > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. > > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless > > FP > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com > > From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Sep 3 13:51:51 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Sep 3 15:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hide email address/es this way? References: Message-ID: Pop wrote: > I'm redesigning/updating a web site (simple, a tiny bit of java, > mostly html, some graphics and a need to be able to show emails). Here's a whole page of methods of hiding email addies on websites from spambots http://spamlinks.net/prevent-spambots-hiding.htm Hiding from Spambots Generalised Hiders and Descriptions Javascript Email Encoders HTML Character Entities CSS Encoding Passive Web-based Scripts Web-based Contact Pages Other Methods Manual Address Munging -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Sep 3 20:08:10 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sat Sep 3 19:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hide email address/es this way? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dfcuso$p06$1@news.spamcop.net... : Pop wrote: : : > I'm redesigning/updating a web site (simple, a tiny bit of java, : > mostly html, some graphics and a need to be able to show emails). : : Here's a whole page of methods of hiding email addies on websites from : spambots : : http://spamlinks.net/prevent-spambots-hiding.htm Hiding from Spambots : ... Hmm, I thought I was going to be saying "yeh, yeh, I've seen all that before" but a quick glance at a couple of those links says I'd have been wrong. That's a very thorough collection & worth spending a little time there. Thanks, Pop From 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com Sun Sep 4 01:55:22 2005 From: 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sat Sep 3 20:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hide email address/es this way? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pop wrote: > Presently I have my some secret addresses spelled with AT and DOT > but it's still being hit. I even tried using &#xx; and that was > scraped, too. Javascript was useless and was scraped also. > Actually, the most successful (empiracal) method I've used is > the heypete poisoning list with the word "wpoison" poppered > around on the same page and a tiny do-nothing javascript. It > hasn't completely stopped them, but it's stopped what seem to be > the big ones. I've used a tag (partially altered here though) like this in my webpages for a bunch of years and I'm pretty sure it has never been scraped. XX@moXX.XXmail.XXm It does have the advantage that it will work correctly in any browser, even ones that don't speak javascript. I'm sort of assuming that scrapers look for the mailto tag (after they look for anything that looks like an email address) and then reconstruct whatever address it might find there, but if the mailto is also randomly obfuscated (plus other random bits of the tag) it is a more difficult target. But I would be curious to see how it might work for you, whether I've just been lucky or if it is obfuscated enough to make it a too difficult target to scrape. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Sat Sep 3 23:09:14 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Sun Sep 4 01:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about > data recovery. > > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. > > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. > > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. > > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless Electronics are likely to be in a bad way. But the disk platters are sealed in the drives, and data can often be recovered from them. There are services that do this, often for lots of cash - but great quality. drivesavers.com is great, if pricey. A second method can be a bit iffy and requires some unusual effort. Essentially, you find a drive model that is identical to the one you're trying to recover from and swap the interface board between the drives. The immersed drive gets what is essentially a new controller. This has worked more than a few times for me. Of course, the newer the drive the more likely you are to find a drive of same model. If they aren't of the same model, but the same series - you should be OK. But it's another possibility, and given the situation might be worth a shot. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 09:11:25 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 4 08:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dfdvhq$bue$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about | > data recovery. | > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. | > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. | > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. | > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. | > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless | | | Electronics are likely to be in a bad way. | | But the disk platters are sealed in the drives, and data can often be | recovered from them. | | There are services that do this, often for lots of cash - but great | quality. drivesavers.com is great, if pricey. | | A second method can be a bit iffy and requires some unusual effort. | | Essentially, you find a drive model that is identical to the one you're | trying to recover from and swap the interface board between the drives. | The immersed drive gets what is essentially a new controller. | | This has worked more than a few times for me. | | Of course, the newer the drive the more likely you are to find a drive | of same model. If they aren't of the same model, but the same series - | you should be OK. | | But it's another possibility, and given the situation might be worth a shot. I'm not at all concerned about the rest of the hardware only the DATA. From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 4 09:52:20 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Sep 4 09:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03.09.2005 09:04, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about > data recovery. > > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. > > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. > > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. > > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless > > FP > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com > > Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be re-installed on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 4 09:56:52 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Sep 4 10:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04.09.2005 07:11, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Rick Carlton" wrote in message > news:dfdvhq$bue$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking > about > | > data recovery. > | > > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. > | > > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. > | > > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. > | > > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some > being > | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > | > > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask > regardless > | > | > | Electronics are likely to be in a bad way. > | > | But the disk platters are sealed in the drives, and data can often be > | recovered from them. > | > | There are services that do this, often for lots of cash - but great > | quality. drivesavers.com is great, if pricey. > | > | A second method can be a bit iffy and requires some unusual effort. > | > | Essentially, you find a drive model that is identical to the one you're > | trying to recover from and swap the interface board between the drives. > | The immersed drive gets what is essentially a new controller. > | > | This has worked more than a few times for me. > | > | Of course, the newer the drive the more likely you are to find a drive > | of same model. If they aren't of the same model, but the same series - > | you should be OK. > | > | But it's another possibility, and given the situation might be worth a > shot. > > I'm not at all concerned about the rest of the hardware only the DATA. > > Submerged HD's can be recovered and data recoverable IF the electronics doesn't contain water-soluble material such as paper caps and other non-metal/plastic material. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 14:16:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 4 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "User" | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking about | > data recovery. | > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. | > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. | > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. | > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. | > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask regardless | > | > FP | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com | > | > | | Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our | backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG | drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be re-installed | on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. Our program for critical data is, on site electronic and hard copy (CDs) back up with off site (1200 miles) back up of critical files. I might be inconvenienced by losing a copy of a letter/email to a friend or the mileage I donate to Hospice but cash files like my wife's work product is here to stay. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 14:17:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 4 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "User" | > I'm not at all concerned about the rest of the hardware only the DATA. | > | > | | Submerged HD's can be recovered and data recoverable IF the electronics | doesn't contain water-soluble material such as paper caps and other | non-metal/plastic material. I'm a bit concerned about the magnetic media separating before recovery can be attempted. Recall this iron oxide. I've no experiance with water and HDD. From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 4 13:57:04 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Sep 4 14:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04.09.2005 12:17, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" > > | > I'm not at all concerned about the rest of the hardware only the DATA. > | > > | > > | > | Submerged HD's can be recovered and data recoverable IF the electronics > | doesn't contain water-soluble material such as paper caps and other > | non-metal/plastic material. > > I'm a bit concerned about the magnetic media separating before recovery can > be attempted. Recall this iron oxide. I've no experiance with water and > HDD. > > IIRC the last time I dismantled a HD, it was very difficult to penetrate the inner sanctum of the platter as it was quite well sealed. I just asked my son and he concurs that you should be ok after a submerged scenario. From user at domain.invalid Sun Sep 4 13:58:08 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Sep 4 14:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 04.09.2005 12:16, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" > > | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking > about > | > data recovery. > | > > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. > | > > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. > | > > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. > | > > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some > being > | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > | > > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask > regardless > | > > | > FP > | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com > | > > | > > | > | Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our > | backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG > | drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be re-installed > | on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. > > Our program for critical data is, on site electronic and hard copy (CDs) > back up with off site (1200 miles) back up of critical files. > > I might be inconvenienced by losing a copy of a letter/email to a friend or > the mileage I donate to Hospice but cash files like my wife's work product > is here to stay. > > Plastic CD's are no problem IF they haven't floated away .. 8-) From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 17:16:55 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Sep 4 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:dffchr$80o$2@news.spamcop.net... | On 04.09.2005 12:16, Frog Prince wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > "User" | > | > | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking | > about | > | > data recovery. | > | > | > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. | > | > | > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. | > | > | > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. | > | > | > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some | > being | > | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. | > | > | > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask | > regardless | > | > | > | > FP | > | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our | > | backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG | > | drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be re-installed | > | on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. | > | > Our program for critical data is, on site electronic and hard copy (CDs) | > back up with off site (1200 miles) back up of critical files. | > | > I might be inconvenienced by losing a copy of a letter/email to a friend or | > the mileage I donate to Hospice but cash files like my wife's work product | > is here to stay. | > | > | | Plastic CD's are no problem IF they haven't floated away .. 8-) http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24331220.jpg My grandparents place is on the lower right, the one without the roof, walls, floor, ... Which is why we have off site (by 1200 miles) archiving. Not all my frieds were so forward thinking. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 17:47:44 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sun Sep 4 16:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hide email address/es this way? References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <35zyuhr02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:dfdd5b$1en$1@news.spamcop.net... : Pop wrote: : > Presently I have my some secret addresses spelled with AT and DOT : > but it's still being hit. I even tried using &#xx; and that was : > scraped, too. Javascript was useless and was scraped also. : > Actually, the most successful (empiracal) method I've used is : > the heypete poisoning list with the word "wpoison" poppered : > around on the same page and a tiny do-nothing javascript. It : > hasn't completely stopped them, but it's stopped what seem to be : > the big ones. : : I've used a tag (partially altered here though) like this in my webpages : for a bunch of years and I'm pretty sure it has never been scraped. : : XX@moXX.XXmail.XXm : : It does have the advantage that it will work correctly in any browser, : even ones that don't speak javascript. I'm sort of assuming that : scrapers look for the mailto tag (after they look for anything that : looks like an email address) and then reconstruct whatever address it : might find there, but if the mailto is also randomly obfuscated (plus : other random bits of the tag) it is a more difficult target. : : But I would be curious to see how it might work for you, whether I've : just been lucky or if it is obfuscated enough to make it a too difficult : target to scrape. Yes, I have had a fair success with that type of coding and still use it, in fact, along with poisoned addresses. The problem I have with it though is that wysiwyg editors intepret them for you and change them back in the html code, so it has to be done as a separate, final process. I use NoteTAB to make the changes since it'll edit as many files as you have memory for all at once, but it's still an added process that has to be remembered, and if a mistake, I mean, feature, is discovered right away you have to fix it and do the changes all over again. It's a pain but it seems to work pretty well. Regards, Pop From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sun Sep 4 20:23:52 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sun Sep 4 19:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: In article , Rick Carlton wrote: > But the disk platters are sealed in the drives, and data can often be > recovered from them. > > There are services that do this, often for lots of cash - but great > quality. drivesavers.com is great, if pricey. According to the N.Y. Times, DriveSavers is waiving its $200 minimum fee (charged if they are unable to recover data from a drive) and offering a one-third discount on recovery services for Katrina victims.=.. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. " - H. L. Mencken From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Sep 4 21:36:44 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sun Sep 4 20:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dffks2$d0n$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "User" wrote in message : news:dffchr$80o$2@news.spamcop.net... : | On 04.09.2005 12:16, Frog Prince wrote: : | : | --- Original Message --- : | : | > "User" : | > : | > | > I'm anticipating a number of phone calls from friends in NOLA asking : | > about : | > | > data recovery. : | > | > : | > | > I've harped long and hard on back ups especially off site back ups. : | > | > : | > | > Undoubtedly more than a few have not been diligent in this regard. : | > | > : | > | > I'm asking for input on what I can tell them. : | > | > : | > | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some : | > being : | > | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. : | > | > : | > | > I'm fully expecting that folk are basically S.O.L. but had to ask : | > regardless : | > | > : | > | > FP : | > | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com : | > | > : | > | > : | > | : | > | Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our : | > | backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG : | > | drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be : re-installed : | > | on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. : | > : | > Our program for critical data is, on site electronic and hard copy (CDs) : | > back up with off site (1200 miles) back up of critical files. : | > : | > I might be inconvenienced by losing a copy of a letter/email to a friend : or : | > the mileage I donate to Hospice but cash files like my wife's work : product : | > is here to stay. : | > : | > : | : | Plastic CD's are no problem IF they haven't floated away .. 8-) : : http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24331220.jpg : : My grandparents place is on the lower right, the one without the roof, : walls, floor, ... : : Which is why we have off site (by 1200 miles) archiving. : : Not all my frieds were so forward thinking. : : Just reading this thread is a danged good incentive to "do something" about backups, off sites, etc.. Thanks for sharing the experiences. Prayers for all Pop From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 00:05:11 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Sep 5 02:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24331220.jpg > > My grandparents place is on the lower right, the one without the roof, > walls, floor, ... > > Which is why we have off site (by 1200 miles) archiving. I'm doing a supplies run over to the NOLA area tomorrow - should be there for a few days dropping off supplies and shuffling around some people who don't have the means to get around. If there's someone you (or anyone else reading) would like me to check in/up on - I can't promise anything, but I'll do my best. Dunno how to get this offer to you any other way, so - cell me at four-one-five... five-7-zseven-nine-four-nine-seven I know we're going to NOLA, Metarie, Gretna and someplace right on the shore whose name escapes me. From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 00:53:39 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Sep 5 02:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or I > can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to something > a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with Hyperthreading, or > a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I pick? I'm so confused... Get the 19" LCD *and* a dual output nVidia so you can run the 14" "on the side" - once you have gone dual, you will *never* (want to at least!) go back! From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 00:58:25 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Sep 5 03:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: [snip] > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. [snip] Maybe BS, but I have been told immersing *some* dead electronics in a 100% solution of high volatility to 'drive out' the water and then letting the alcohol evaporate *can* work... source was scuba divers with Nikonos cameras that flooded... anyway, Google it??? Final resort??? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Mon Sep 5 01:05:19 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Sep 5 03:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. If the equipment wasn't running and didn't have power through it, it may be possible to rinse all the saltwater off with lots of distilled freshwater or alcohol, let it dry thoroughly, and then attempt to restart it. This doesn't work if things are corroded at all, unfortunately. Obviously, if electricity was on when the water hit them, they're shorted and pretty much fried. The computer itself may be fried, but the hard disks are generally hemetrically sealed, and the data may still be intact. Try transplanting the drive to a new computer and seeing if it'll work...also, make sure it's an old/expendable computer -- if things break horribly, it might get toasted too. Commercial data recovery outfits (DataSafe is one that I see driving trucks around here) may be able to recover data from even seriously damaged drives. It may be expensive, but depending on the value of the data, it may be worth it. Good luck... -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Sep 5 01:34:32 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Sep 5 03:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or >> I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to >> something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with >> Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I >> pick? I'm so confused... > > > Get the 19" LCD *and* a dual output nVidia so you can run the 14" "on > the side" - once you have gone dual, you will *never* (want to at > least!) go back! Found a 19" LCD for 299 today. I want to wait until it gets closer to 250 before I get one. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 11:17:37 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Sep 5 10:25:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dfgn6n$2na$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24331220.jpg | > | > My grandparents place is on the lower right, the one without the roof, | > walls, floor, ... | > | > Which is why we have off site (by 1200 miles) archiving. | | | I'm doing a supplies run over to the NOLA area tomorrow - should be | there for a few days dropping off supplies and shuffling around some | people who don't have the means to get around. | | If there's someone you (or anyone else reading) would like me to check | in/up on - I can't promise anything, but I'll do my best. | | Dunno how to get this offer to you any other way, so - cell me at | four-one-five... five-7-zseven-nine-four-nine-seven | | I know we're going to NOLA, Metarie, Gretna and someplace right on the | shore whose name escapes me. Thanks I've my own coon a** mafia on the ground. BTW your cell phone, likely as not will not work, text messaging is spotty but still better than voice. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 11:20:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Sep 5 10:25:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:dfgqar$453$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | [snip] | | > I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being | > immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. | | [snip] | | Maybe BS, but I have been told immersing *some* dead electronics in a | 100% solution of high volatility to 'drive out' the water and then | letting the alcohol evaporate *can* work... source was scuba divers with | Nikonos cameras that flooded... anyway, Google it??? | | Final resort??? Alcohol works but also tends to remove lubricants. I've found that an HVAC vacuum pump and a bell jar to be very very effective. My concern is what effect would water have on the magnetic media of a HDD. some maintain they are sealed but I've my doubts. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Mon Sep 5 16:03:21 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Sep 5 18:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References:

Message-ID: Nice! "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-E27743.19235204092005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > According to the N.Y. Times, DriveSavers is waiving its $200 minimum fee > (charged if they are unable to recover data from a drive) and offering a > one-third discount on recovery services for Katrina victims.=.. > -- > D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > "Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. " > - H. L. Mencken From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Sep 5 21:25:46 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Sep 5 21:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:dfeu4f$u62$1@news.spamcop.net... > Hindsight is always 20/20 but when we left with just our shirts on our > backs, I managed to take my laptop AND four of my external USB 200 GIG > drives with ALL of my data intact. The applications can be re-installed > on new boxes but the data cannot if you didn't bring it with you. > Hope you are able to weather the next 'storm' of relocation, rebuild, recovery as well! Best of Luck to you Miss Betsy From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Sep 5 19:23:20 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Sep 5 21:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> This weekend I can either upgrade my 14" LCD monitor to a 19" LCD, or >> I can upgrade my motherboard and cpu from a 2.4ghz Pentium 4 to >> something a bit faster...perhaps either a 3.2ghz Pentium 4 with >> Hyperthreading, or a Dual-Core 3ghz Pentium 4. Which one should I >> pick? I'm so confused... > > > Get the 19" LCD *and* a dual output nVidia so you can run the 14" "on > the side" - once you have gone dual, you will *never* (want to at > least!) go back! Just got back from Fry's with a 19" LCD, 700:1 contrast, 1280x1024 native rez, 25ms refresh. $229 baby. Plus tax and 2 year extended warranty (which includes dead pixels), $279. I'm in shock as to how much bigger this thing is. My desktop icons are the same size at 1280 res on this monitor, as they are at 1024 rez on the other monitor. The contrast ratio is nearly 3x better...so my blacks are actually black. And my online games are freaking amazing.... From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon Sep 5 22:19:18 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon Sep 5 22:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > Just got back from Fry's with a 19" LCD, 700:1 contrast, 1280x1024 native > rez, 25ms refresh. $229 baby. Plus tax and 2 year extended warranty (which > includes dead pixels), $279. > > I'm in shock as to how much bigger this thing is. My desktop icons are the > same size at 1280 res on this monitor, as they are at 1024 rez on the other > monitor. The contrast ratio is nearly 3x better...so my blacks are actually > black. And my online games are freaking amazing.... Isn't a large monitor beauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutiful? :) Now with that higher res you will be needing a faster vid card. Vicious circle. Sadly the closest altar of all things geek is about a 3 hour drive down to Dallas. :( -- DougW From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Mon Sep 5 20:32:52 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Mon Sep 5 22:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>I'd expect a fair amount of water damage to the equipment with some being >>immersion including immersion in salt/brackish water. > > > If the equipment wasn't running and didn't have power through it, it may > be possible to rinse all the saltwater off with lots of distilled > freshwater or alcohol, let it dry thoroughly, and then attempt to > restart it. This doesn't work if things are corroded at all, > unfortunately. Obviously, if electricity was on when the water hit them, > they're shorted and pretty much fried. > > The computer itself may be fried, but the hard disks are generally > hemetrically sealed, I'm don't think this is true for most hard drives. They are allowed to 'breath' through a filter. When I went back to Nederland, Colorado, I was puzzled about how many hard drives were crashing. After I had been there a couple of months, my laptop hard drive started grinding. After doing some research, I found out that most hard drives are not designed to work above 7,000 feet. Nederland sits at 8,500 ft. If you think about how a hard drive functions, the heads that read the disk float on a cushion of air as the platters spin. The distance that they 'float' is becoming smaller and smaller as the working 'size' of the disks get larger. That's because they need to be closer in order not to pick up signals from the neighboring tracks. At higher elevations, there is not as much air, so the heads don't float as high and end up scraping the surface of the platters. I don't really have much to offer as far as data recovery goes. Most of what I know has already been covered. Good luck. -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Sep 5 20:40:51 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Sep 5 22:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > > >>Just got back from Fry's with a 19" LCD, 700:1 contrast, 1280x1024 native >>rez, 25ms refresh. $229 baby. Plus tax and 2 year extended warranty (which >>includes dead pixels), $279. >> >>I'm in shock as to how much bigger this thing is. My desktop icons are the >>same size at 1280 res on this monitor, as they are at 1024 rez on the other >>monitor. The contrast ratio is nearly 3x better...so my blacks are actually >>black. And my online games are freaking amazing.... > > > Isn't a large monitor beauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutiful? :) > > Now with that higher res you will be needing a faster vid card. Vicious circle. > > Sadly the closest altar of all things geek is about a 3 hour drive down to Dallas. :( > I currently have a GeForce 4 Ti-4200. I could upgrade to...say...a GeForce 6 or 7. :) From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon Sep 5 23:23:12 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon Sep 5 23:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > > I currently have a GeForce 4 Ti-4200. I could upgrade to...say...a GeForce > 6 or 7. :) NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti-4600 here. It's still too slow to handle some of the more intense HalfLife II in high res. Go 7 , Binford edition. -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Sep 5 22:09:48 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Sep 6 00:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > > >>I currently have a GeForce 4 Ti-4200. I could upgrade to...say...a GeForce >>6 or 7. :) > > > NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti-4600 here. > It's still too slow to handle some of the more intense HalfLife II in high res. > > Go 7 , Binford edition. > One thing I just noticed about this monitor is that the LCD "ghosting" is more noticable on larger screens than smaller ones. That's the only negative about it. The 3x greater contrast ratio, higher rez, and 5" greater screen size more than make up for it. I'm in love. :) From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Sep 6 01:16:22 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Sep 6 00:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: "DougW" wrote in message news:dfiub2$atj$1@news.spamcop.net... | Borgholio did pass the time by typing: | | > Just got back from Fry's with a 19" LCD, 700:1 contrast, 1280x1024 native | > rez, 25ms refresh. $229 baby. Plus tax and 2 year extended warranty (which | > includes dead pixels), $279. | > | > I'm in shock as to how much bigger this thing is. My desktop icons are the | > same size at 1280 res on this monitor, as they are at 1024 rez on the other | > monitor. The contrast ratio is nearly 3x better...so my blacks are actually | > black. And my online games are freaking amazing.... | | Isn't a large monitor beauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutiful? :) | | Now with that higher res you will be needing a faster vid card. Vicious circle. | | Sadly the closest altar of all things geek is about a 3 hour drive down to Dallas. :( | My kids live in N. Dallas ... From user at domain.invalid Tue Sep 6 12:43:33 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Sep 6 12:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 05.09.2005 09:17, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Rick Carlton" wrote in message > news:dfgn6n$2na$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24331220.jpg > | > > | > My grandparents place is on the lower right, the one without the roof, > | > walls, floor, ... > | > > | > Which is why we have off site (by 1200 miles) archiving. > | > | > | I'm doing a supplies run over to the NOLA area tomorrow - should be > | there for a few days dropping off supplies and shuffling around some > | people who don't have the means to get around. > | > | If there's someone you (or anyone else reading) would like me to check > | in/up on - I can't promise anything, but I'll do my best. > | > | Dunno how to get this offer to you any other way, so - cell me at > | four-one-five... five-7-zseven-nine-four-nine-seven > | > | I know we're going to NOLA, Metarie, Gretna and someplace right on the > | shore whose name escapes me. > > Thanks I've my own coon a** mafia on the ground. > > BTW your cell phone, likely as not will not work, text messaging is spotty > but still better than voice. > > Text messaging still works ok with Cingular. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 6 14:13:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:15:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > One thing I just noticed about this monitor is that the LCD > "ghosting" is more noticable on larger screens than smaller ones. > That's the only negative about it. The 3x greater contrast ratio, > higher rez, and 5" greater screen size more than make up for it. I'm > in love. :) And your monitor will never ask you to "just be friends" ;-) From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Sep 6 11:18:29 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:20:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>One thing I just noticed about this monitor is that the LCD >>"ghosting" is more noticable on larger screens than smaller ones. >>That's the only negative about it. The 3x greater contrast ratio, >>higher rez, and 5" greater screen size more than make up for it. I'm >>in love. :) > > > And your monitor will never ask you to "just be friends" ;-) > > Heh, yeah really. :) I discovered a couple bad pixels last night so now I'm working on a new monitor. Same model and all that. My last LCD hasn't had a single bad pixel in the last few years I've owned it...so am I being unreasonable / unrealistic to expect my new LCD to be flawless as well? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 6 14:20:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Heh, yeah really. :) I discovered a couple bad pixels last night so > now I'm working on a new monitor. Same model and all that. My last > LCD hasn't had a single bad pixel in the last few years I've owned > it...so am I being unreasonable / unrealistic to expect my new LCD to > be flawless as well? I thought they all normally had a few bad pixels, and a lot of stores won't let you get a replacement for free unless you have more than 5 or 6 dead ones. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Sep 6 11:28:09 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>Heh, yeah really. :) I discovered a couple bad pixels last night so >>now I'm working on a new monitor. Same model and all that. My last >>LCD hasn't had a single bad pixel in the last few years I've owned >>it...so am I being unreasonable / unrealistic to expect my new LCD to >>be flawless as well? > > > I thought they all normally had a few bad pixels, and a lot of stores won't > let you get a replacement for free unless you have more than 5 or 6 dead > ones. > > Bought a 2 year warranty for 20 bucks that lets me exchange it for even one bad pixel. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Sep 6 14:31:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > Bought a 2 year warranty for 20 bucks that lets me exchange it for > even one bad pixel. Only $20? That's effing amazing! Good planning ;-) From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Sep 6 11:34:05 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Sep 6 13:35:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Bought a 2 year warranty for 20 bucks that lets me exchange it for >>even one bad pixel. > > > Only $20? That's effing amazing! Good planning ;-) > > Yep, so I can be anal to my heart's content. :) From nospam at dev.null Wed Sep 7 04:49:31 2005 From: nospam at dev.null (No Spam) Date: Tue Sep 6 21:50:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 04.09.2005 12:17, Frog Prince wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > >>"User" >> >>| > I'm not at all concerned about the rest of the hardware only the DATA. >>| > >>| > >>| >>| Submerged HD's can be recovered and data recoverable IF the electronics >>| doesn't contain water-soluble material such as paper caps and other >>| non-metal/plastic material. >> >>I'm a bit concerned about the magnetic media separating before recovery can >>be attempted. Recall this iron oxide. I've no experiance with water and >>HDD. >> > > IIRC the last time I dismantled a HD, it was very difficult to penetrate > the inner sanctum of the platter as it was quite well sealed. I just > asked my son and he concurs that you should be ok after a submerged > scenario. Hi Other day I had the opportunity of reviving a drive that had crashed after being dripped on by an aircon for a whole weekend. System was still running, sucking in water splatter etc, distributing it nicely were it wasn't wanted. Hex driver, loo paper, lots of patience and an old controller board later, a quick dump of what was on it worked. What was amazing upon inspection of the controller board is the rate at which corrosion builds up once it gets wet. I suspect this was the mixture of airflow and water - ideal for corrosion. And yes, HDD's are normally air tight. If the disk was not running when it got submerged, your chances should even be better. Best of luck E From nospam at dev.null Wed Sep 7 05:17:51 2005 From: nospam at dev.null (No Spam) Date: Tue Sep 6 22:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before In-Reply-To: <4314D9EF.24F084C5@spamcop.net> References:

<430F77F6.A88A4E09@spamcop.net> <4314D9EF.24F084C5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: ... > > I have three "desktop" (actually, "tower") systems plus a laptop at my > desk. My wife has two plus a laptop. We have a system which used to be > our BBS, but is now our answering machine. Another system has our > printers attached to it, plus acts as storage for backup images. Plus > each of our kids have their own system. > > There are a total of 13 computers (including two laptops) in our home > office at the moment, not counting any client systems being worked on. > > Of course, only one is "on the net", but it acts as a router for the > rest of our LAN. > > In any case, I'm glad to hear things are up and running. > Old 286 - recently revived for the purpose of firewall only Sun Ultra 10, development/testing/jumpstart etc Sun E4500 - my toy :-) (used with above for serious stuff) Laptop, my portable console to clients PC#1 - what I am using for internet (and reload regularly :-) PC#2 - Business system - comes nowhere near internet PC#3 - Leftover from order - well it was a good system and I did not have the heart to get rid of it (and other excuses :-) PC#4 - Son PC#5 - Daughter .... and then my wireless broadband bombs out :-0 (wireless because our Telekoms not the best) Urggggghhh. Luckily old modem etc still works :-) Cheers E From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Sep 6 23:12:01 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Sep 7 09:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "No Spam" | Hi | | Other day I had the opportunity of reviving a drive that had crashed | after being dripped on by an aircon for a whole weekend. | | System was still running, sucking in water splatter etc, distributing | it nicely were it wasn't wanted. | | Hex driver, loo paper, lots of patience and an old controller board | later, a quick dump of what was on it worked. | | What was amazing upon inspection of the controller board is the rate | at which corrosion builds up once it gets wet. I suspect this was the | mixture of airflow and water - ideal for corrosion. | | And yes, HDD's are normally air tight. If the disk was not running | when it got submerged, your chances should even be better. FYI Water can be removed using a airconditioning vacuum pump. As to corrosion flush with R22/R134, the surface corrosion is cleared and the circuit will likely work. It is a time bomb as the corrosion tends to penetrate down the leads between the metal and the case of IC with the end effect that the IC will eventually fail but usually not immediately. From user at domain.invalid Thu Sep 8 20:46:15 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Sep 8 20:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.09.2005 21:12, Frog Prince wrote: --- Original Message --- > "No Spam" > > | Hi > | > | Other day I had the opportunity of reviving a drive that had crashed > | after being dripped on by an aircon for a whole weekend. > | > | System was still running, sucking in water splatter etc, distributing > | it nicely were it wasn't wanted. > | > | Hex driver, loo paper, lots of patience and an old controller board > | later, a quick dump of what was on it worked. > | > | What was amazing upon inspection of the controller board is the rate > | at which corrosion builds up once it gets wet. I suspect this was the > | mixture of airflow and water - ideal for corrosion. > | > | And yes, HDD's are normally air tight. If the disk was not running > | when it got submerged, your chances should even be better. > > FYI Water can be removed using a airconditioning vacuum pump. As to > corrosion flush with R22/R134, the surface corrosion is cleared and the > circuit will likely work. It is a time bomb as the corrosion tends to > penetrate down the leads between the metal and the case of IC with the end > effect that the IC will eventually fail but usually not immediately. > > You can also put it in a 125 degree oven for a few hrs. We call it HD Jerky. :-) From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Sep 9 00:43:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Sep 9 00:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disaster recovery. References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:dfqlvl$spt$1@news.spamcop.net... | On 06.09.2005 21:12, Frog Prince wrote: | | --- Original Message --- | | > "No Spam" | > | > | Hi | > | | > | Other day I had the opportunity of reviving a drive that had crashed | > | after being dripped on by an aircon for a whole weekend. | > | | > | System was still running, sucking in water splatter etc, distributing | > | it nicely were it wasn't wanted. | > | | > | Hex driver, loo paper, lots of patience and an old controller board | > | later, a quick dump of what was on it worked. | > | | > | What was amazing upon inspection of the controller board is the rate | > | at which corrosion builds up once it gets wet. I suspect this was the | > | mixture of airflow and water - ideal for corrosion. | > | | > | And yes, HDD's are normally air tight. If the disk was not running | > | when it got submerged, your chances should even be better. | > | > FYI Water can be removed using a airconditioning vacuum pump. As to | > corrosion flush with R22/R134, the surface corrosion is cleared and the | > circuit will likely work. It is a time bomb as the corrosion tends to | > penetrate down the leads between the metal and the case of IC with the end | > effect that the IC will eventually fail but usually not immediately. | > | > | | You can also put it in a 125 degree oven for a few hrs. We call it HD | Jerky. :-) I've done similar things with electronics but it's always dicy espically when dealing with data. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Sep 8 23:18:25 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Sep 9 01:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >> >>> Bought a 2 year warranty for 20 bucks that lets me exchange it for >>> even one bad pixel. >> >> >> >> Only $20? That's effing amazing! Good planning ;-) >> >> > > Yep, so I can be anal to my heart's content. :) Maybe there's such a thing as being TOO anal. My new (replacement) monitor just developed a semi-dead pixel. I say "semi-dead" because it's not a glaring error like the last monitor. The last monitor had one bright red and one bright blue dot on the screen that stuck out like sore thumbs. This time it's still emulating whatever color it's over...but not quite exactly. When I sit back in my chair, I can barely even see it. I dunno. I could replace the monitor under warranty (again) or I could live with it. I'm torn between the desire to have my BRAND NEW monitor be completely without flaws, or accept an imperfection that has no signifigant impact on it's operation. grrr..... From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Sep 9 08:53:18 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Sep 9 01:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Time to upgrade References: