From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Jul 1 21:34:14 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: To upgrade, or to not upgrade. References: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:29:22 -0400, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > A 20" TV in the main viewing room?! Good God, how can you stand it? Living > room TV's _must_ start with the number "3" at a minimum ;-) Did your 3" TV set come with binoculars? :) -- Steve "I don't understand that attitude. Don't we want email that has dancing bears, cute little videos, musical tunes, animated waving hands, sixty fonts, and looks like it's been done with crayolas? Good grief, man, think like a three year old!" -- Norm Reitzel discussing HTML email From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:43:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: To upgrade, or to not upgrade. References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:29:22 -0400, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > > > A 20" TV in the main viewing room?! Good God, how can you stand it? > > Living room TV's _must_ start with the number "3" at a minimum ;-) > > Did your 3" TV set come with binoculars? :) Heh. I actually have a 3" LCD pocket TV ;-) From user at example.com Sun Jul 3 22:59:43 2005 From: user at example.com (User@Example.Com) Date: Mon Jul 4 01:00:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: l33t H4X0R help required In-Reply-To: References: <42BC77B2.6010204@example.com> Message-ID: <42C8C23F.4030703@example.com> Maybe I'm just sp34krz. Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "User@Example.Com" ! > >>Charles wrote: >> >> >>>Uh, deobfuscating a license plate... So, anyway, it's sp342ox. And >>>this must surely mean something, uh, right? > > >>Sp342ox ->speazoten -> speach + zoten (german 'bawdy') ~=> dirty talk? > > > That seems like you're stretching things a little, doesn't it? From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 19:56:06 2005 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Nigerian Mail Conference Message-ID: Hi, I better steal an article from usenet and paste here ;) (op data ROT13'ed as I don't have his permission) Ilgaz Sebz: "nef_jn8zrn@argmreb.pbz" Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Subject: Nigerian E-mail Conference! Date: 23 Jun 2005 19:47:52 -0700 This is just about as funny as the "Negro Sapce Program".... http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ 73, Ovyy - JN8ZRN From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Tue Jul 5 16:20:46 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: In article , Ilgaz Ocal writes: > http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ That page says: Dates: November 7 - 9, 2003 which might give you the idea that many of us saw that long ago. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue Jul 5 14:38:30 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:40:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > which might give you the idea that many of us saw that long ago. News to me, and also quite amusing. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From user at domain.invalid Tue Jul 5 21:35:11 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Jul 5 21:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 05.07.2005 10:56, Ilgaz Ocal wrote: --- Original Message --- > Hi, > > I better steal an article from usenet and paste here ;) > > (op data ROT13'ed as I don't have his permission) > > Ilgaz > > Sebz: "nef_jn8zrn@argmreb.pbz" > Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave > Subject: Nigerian E-mail Conference! > Date: 23 Jun 2005 19:47:52 -0700 > > This is just about as funny as the "Negro Sapce Program".... > > http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ > > 73, Ovyy - JN8ZRN > Uhhh, yah, sure. Look at the very bottom of the page: :-D Register Now! Registration is via a confidential money transfer. Send your bank's name, account number, your name, address, telephone number, and fax numbers. Please note again that this transaction is strictly confidential and as such should be kept secret. Be rest assured that this transaction is 100% risk free. Kindly send the requested information (in complete confidence) to: Nigerian EMail Conference c/o Abuja Sheraton Hotel Abuja Ladi Kwali Way Abuja, NG PMB 143 From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Wed Jul 6 13:13:14 2005 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Wed Jul 6 05:15:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: On 2005-07-06 04:35:11 +0300, User said: > On 05.07.2005 10:56, Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > >> Hi, >> >> I better steal an article from usenet and paste here ;) >> >> (op data ROT13'ed as I don't have his permission) >> >> Ilgaz >> >> Sebz: "nef_jn8zrn@argmreb.pbz" >> Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave >> Subject: Nigerian E-mail Conference! >> Date: 23 Jun 2005 19:47:52 -0700 >> >> This is just about as funny as the "Negro Sapce Program".... >> >> http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ >> >> 73, Ovyy - JN8ZRN >> > > Uhhh, yah, sure. Look at the very bottom of the page: :-D > > Register Now! > > Registration is via a confidential money transfer. > > Send your bank's name, account number, your name, address, telephone > number, and fax numbers. Please note again that this transaction is > strictly confidential and as such should be kept secret. Be rest assured > that this transaction is 100% risk free. > > Kindly send the requested information (in complete confidence) to: > > Nigerian EMail Conference > c/o Abuja Sheraton Hotel Abuja > Ladi Kwali Way Abuja, NG PMB 143 Hi, You became victim. Its a joke website. If you scroll at very bottom you will see guys site and his more evil jokes. :) Inbox of Bill Gates rocks :) Its a masterpiece as his wife forwards a mail to him to get rich :) http://j-walk.com/other/hotmail/index.htm Ilgaz From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 6 11:04:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Wed Jul 6 13:05:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Domain / Website Hosting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Socks the Whitehouse Cat wrote: > I use pair.com. very white hat. they run pairnic.com as their registrar. > Register a domain there and then set it up on pair.com and they waive setup > fees. good web interface. Most of the host plans I use with them offer > substantial space and lots of mailboxes. They run spamassassin and spamhaus > to block spam, plus a baysean filter as well, controllable by the user at > the domain name level or the mailbox level. Good defenses against DOS > attacks. Clueful abuse desk able to spot forgeries, quick terminations on > the rare spam complaints afaik. Thanks for another recommendation for pair.com - I passed all of the info on to my co-worker and he was grateful (and somewhat surprised) for all of the good input (hey, what's the online community for, anyway?). :-) How are you holding up lately? Please know that several of us are concerned and pulling for you in spirit, if not in person. -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From user at domain.invalid Wed Jul 6 13:27:29 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jul 6 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.07.2005 04:13, Ilgaz Ocal wrote: --- Original Message --- > On 2005-07-06 04:35:11 +0300, User said: > >> On 05.07.2005 10:56, Ilgaz Ocal wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I better steal an article from usenet and paste here ;) >>> >>> (op data ROT13'ed as I don't have his permission) >>> >>> Ilgaz >>> >>> Sebz: "nef_jn8zrn@argmreb.pbz" >>> Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave >>> Subject: Nigerian E-mail Conference! >>> Date: 23 Jun 2005 19:47:52 -0700 >>> >>> This is just about as funny as the "Negro Sapce Program".... >>> >>> http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ >>> >>> 73, Ovyy - JN8ZRN >>> >> >> Uhhh, yah, sure. Look at the very bottom of the page: :-D >> >> Register Now! >> >> Registration is via a confidential money transfer. >> >> Send your bank's name, account number, your name, address, telephone >> number, and fax numbers. Please note again that this transaction is >> strictly confidential and as such should be kept secret. Be rest assured >> that this transaction is 100% risk free. >> >> Kindly send the requested information (in complete confidence) to: >> >> Nigerian EMail Conference >> c/o Abuja Sheraton Hotel Abuja >> Ladi Kwali Way Abuja, NG PMB 143 > > Hi, > > You became victim. Its a joke website. If you scroll at very bottom you > will see guys site and his more evil jokes. :) > > Inbox of Bill Gates rocks :) Its a masterpiece as his wife forwards a > mail to him to get rich :) > > http://j-walk.com/other/hotmail/index.htm > > Ilgaz > That's why I said "yah sure" :-) From bcs1 at spamcop.net Wed Jul 6 17:36:42 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Wed Jul 6 16:35:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:pzw2K1zIFNHV@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , Ilgaz Ocal > writes: > >> http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ OMG, OMG, OMGGGGG I think I'm gonna piss myself laffing...( I have tears in my eyes from ROFLMAO).. specially after seeing the third blog on http://j-walkblog.com/ (hint the Top 10 Killed me LMAO specially #1) god I had to close the browser lol most humble THANKS for the link (currently saved in favs) Bill From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Fri Jul 8 13:59:07 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri Jul 8 09:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with blocking/tracking software References: Message-ID: > "Blammo" < >| The RSAC which used to handle the PICS labels is now changed to ICRA, >| and you can get ICRAplus basic for free, however it only works on >| Windows. I discovered the Mozilla preferences for this, maybe it is a good idea this is hidden? Look for "browser.PICS" http://preferential.mozdev.org/preferences.html -- | Ric | From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 9 19:59:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Sat Jul 9 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Port 25 blocks Message-ID: Hi all, A lot of my clients use authorised smtp to send outgoing mail through my servers rather than their own ISP's, but problems are arising with Wanadoo blocking port 25. Can anyone point me to any possible solutions/workarounds? Kev From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Jul 9 21:23:43 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Jul 9 14:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:59:21 +0100, TimeLord coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > A lot of my clients use authorised smtp to send outgoing mail through my > servers rather than their own ISP's, but problems are arising with Wanadoo > blocking port 25. Wanadoo in which country? The day they do that over here (France) will be the day I see porcine aerobatics. > Can anyone point me to any possible solutions/workarounds? Use the designated mail submission port (587). -- Steve Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Jul 9 13:11:30 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Jul 9 15:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: In article , Steven Maesslein wrote: > The day they do that over here (France) will be the day I see porcine > aerobatics. Aviators...porcine aviators. Pigs can flop around in the air, but they sure as heck can't fly. :) As for the original poster, consider setting up an SSH account for your users -- they could SSH into your server and port-forward all their mail through the tunnel to your server. Or they could go through any one of the numerous services that offer port-forwarding, for a small cost. Or, they could simply use Wanadoo's own SMTP servers. I've always been curious...what does "wanadoo" mean, anyway? -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Jul 9 22:18:34 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Jul 9 15:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:11:30 -0700, Pete Stephenson coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > >> The day they do that over here (France) will be the day I see porcine >> aerobatics. > > Aviators...porcine aviators. Pigs can flop around in the air, but they > sure as heck can't fly. :) That was kind of my point :) > As for the original poster, consider setting up an SSH account for your > users -- they could SSH into your server Don't forget that most users are completely unable to anything other than click on the "send" button (after someone else has set up the mail account for them - don't expect them to do that). Tunneling through an SSH connection? Uhh, yeah, right. Do you want fries with that? > I've always been curious...what does "wanadoo" mean, anyway? Most of the time they get called "DON'T wanadoo"... -- Steve Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? -- Matt Welsh From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 9 21:45:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Sat Jul 9 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndd05hf.7kq.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 18:59:21 +0100, TimeLord coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > Wanadoo in which country? UK - http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7127.htm > The day they do that over here (France) will be the day I see porcine > aerobatics. LOL! > Use the designated mail submission port (587). Didn't like that, but 2500 seems ok - thanks anyway :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 9 21:49:37 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Sat Jul 9 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-56EA47.12111509072005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > As for the original poster, consider setting up an SSH account for your > users -- they could SSH into your server and port-forward all their mail > through the tunnel to your server. Or they could go through any one of > the numerous services that offer port-forwarding, for a small cost. Or, > they could simply use Wanadoo's own SMTP servers. As Pete said, a little beyond my clients - just going to 'Tools' freaks them out ;-), but I can send them config files usually. > I've always been curious...what does "wanadoo" mean, anyway? I've wondered that - 'DON'T wanadoo' sounds good ;-) Thanks for the suggestions :-) kev From wb8tyw at qsl.network Sun Jul 10 17:45:14 2005 From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) Date: Sun Jul 10 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TimeLord wrote: > "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message > news:slrndd05hf.7kq.nobody@127.0.0.1... > >>Use the designated mail submission port (587). > Didn't like that, but 2500 seems ok - thanks anyway :-) I would strongly recommend finding out why the standard port is not working. It should be requiring a username and password. In addition to the port, you may need to get the encryption settings correct. There is also the non-standard port 465 which appears to be a Microsoft invention. Make sure that you are getting in through a real entry way, and not a security hole that the mail server owner is not aware of. The use of a non-standard port when there is a designated port for a function means a custom configuration, where only a few people know how to maintain/fix. Anyone that is still using port 25 for sending through a remote mail server should make sure that port 587 works for them now, before their ISP blocks the port. It is only a matter of time before most ISPs block port 25 to thwart spammers using zombies on their network to send spam for two reasons: 1. The spam zombies costs them money and severely degrade network access to the other customers. 2. Other ISPs may require it or they will not accept any mail from that network. There has been at least one public case of this, and the ISP that insisted on all the spam from the zombies be stopped prevailed. So regardless of what the current policy of your residential ISP is, unless you have a service plan that allows a mail server, be prepared for port 25 to be blocked, possibly with out any notice from your ISP. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 11:05:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Mon Jul 11 05:10:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks References: Message-ID: "John E. Malmberg" wrote in message news:das1cs$v1t$1@news.spamcop.net... > TimeLord wrote: >> "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message >> news:slrndd05hf.7kq.nobody@127.0.0.1... >> >>>Use the designated mail submission port (587). > >> Didn't like that, but 2500 seems ok - thanks anyway :-) > > I would strongly recommend finding out why the standard port is not > working. It should be requiring a username and password. > > In addition to the port, you may need to get the encryption settings > correct. > > There is also the non-standard port 465 which appears to be a Microsoft > invention. > > Make sure that you are getting in through a real entry way, and not a > security hole that the mail server owner is not aware of. The use of a > non-standard port when there is a designated port for a function means a > custom configuration, where only a few people know how to maintain/fix. > > > Anyone that is still using port 25 for sending through a remote mail > server should make sure that port 587 works for them now, before their ISP > blocks the port. Neither 465 or 587 work for me - both refuse to connect at all, never even reaches user/password stage. 2500 is configured on the network instead - I just use it under advice, I don't set it, I leave that to "only a few people" :-) Kev From wskrispy at EXCISEoptonline.net Mon Jul 11 07:33:18 2005 From: wskrispy at EXCISEoptonline.net (wskrispy) Date: Mon Jul 11 06:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Port 25 blocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TimeLord wrote: > "John E. Malmberg" wrote in message > news:das1cs$v1t$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>TimeLord wrote: >> >>>"Steven Maesslein" wrote in message >>>news:slrndd05hf.7kq.nobody@127.0.0.1... >>> >>> >>>>Use the designated mail submission port (587). >> >>>Didn't like that, but 2500 seems ok - thanks anyway :-) >> >>I would strongly recommend finding out why the standard port is not >>working. It should be requiring a username and password. >> >>In addition to the port, you may need to get the encryption settings >>correct. >> >>There is also the non-standard port 465 which appears to be a Microsoft >>invention. >> >>Make sure that you are getting in through a real entry way, and not a >>security hole that the mail server owner is not aware of. The use of a >>non-standard port when there is a designated port for a function means a >>custom configuration, where only a few people know how to maintain/fix. >> >> >>Anyone that is still using port 25 for sending through a remote mail >>server should make sure that port 587 works for them now, before their ISP >>blocks the port. > > > > Neither 465 or 587 work for me - both refuse to connect at all, never even > reaches user/password stage. 2500 is configured on the network instead - I > just use it under advice, I don't set it, I leave that to "only a few > people" :-) > > Kev > > I ran into this problem about 4 months ago with two unrelated ISPs, both running their mailservers on Linux boxes. I forget what I read that lead me to this, so I can't say how canonical it may be, but I changed the outgoing smtp port in email clients from 25 to 26 and all has been fine since. If you can send configs to your users I guess you would be set, but the manual process isn't too bad under Outlook Express and it's a snap in Tbird (then again, how many times have I thought something a snap only to spend literally 20 minutes on the phone with some hyperventilating well-groomed clown, usually one with "computer skills" on the ol' resume)... In one case I was in control of the server (a Virtual Private Server arrangement) and was able to explicitly change to 26 on that end, but I recall things working even before I made that change on the server side. In the other case the change on the client to 26 worked on its own. I think 26 is designated as the standard outgoing smtp alternative and most ISPs blocking 25 will know enough to turn it on. -- wsk From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 11:24:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 11 10:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse Message-ID: My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a PI*. I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely need two, one for the house and one for travel. Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and computers as she often has to test her work to see how it works in the rest of the world. TIA FP From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 14:49:17 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 11 13:50:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a > PI*. I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely > need two, one for the house and one for travel. > > Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and > computers as she often has to test her work to see how it works in > the rest of the world. > > TIA > I have this Logitech mouse at home, love it -- has 11 buttons, makes controlling sound and browsing a breeze (has "back" and "forward" buttons on the side, plus a bunch of buttons for controlling sound volume and other stuff). Best thing I ever bought. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104168 From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 12:38:13 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 11 14:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a PI*. > I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely need two, one > for the house and one for travel. > > Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and computers > as she often has to test her work to see how it works in the rest of the > world. I also have a G4 laptop and went with the Kensington Bluetooth Mouse - which the Mac recognized and paired with out of the box. It's well-built, sturdy etc. If there's a minus with it at all - it's that the batteries make it "heavier" than my standard mice - corded Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical. In my case case, heavy enough so that I switched back to carrying around a tethered mouse and leaving one at home. I buy the OEM versions at $10 each, so the cost was nominal. But - back to the Kensington mouse. As long as the PC you're trying to connect to has Bluetooth, you're fine. And that will be the catch with most every wireless mouse. The host machine needs to have Bluetooth - or be ready to accept whatever little USB RF dongle other mice might need that needs to be installed in order for the mouse to communicate. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 16:54:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 11 16:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: We are a multi OS house hold. we have the ability to view PowerPoint presentations on the Windows OS but need a source to do so on a Mac G4 lap top. I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be appreciated. FP From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Jul 11 23:43:26 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Jul 11 16:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:54:28 -0400, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them work > so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be > appreciated. How about not using proprietary formats (which will always give you this kind of grief) in the first place? Failing that, OpenOffice.org should be able to open PowerPlonk documents. http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html -- Steve unix soit qui mal y pense From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 15:28:54 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 11 17:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > We are a multi OS house hold. we have the ability to view PowerPoint > presentations on the Windows OS but need a source to do so on a Mac G4 lap > top. > > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them work > so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be > appreciated. What version of Powerpoint were the presentations created in? And, are you running Classic mode on your Macs? This free viewer app from Microsoft may not support PP2003-specific features and requires Classic: Features: * Provides full fidelity display of PowerPoint 98 files including the new animations, graphics effects, action settings, hyperlinks, and custom shows. * Opens presentations saved in PowerPoint for Macintosh version 3.0 or later and PowerPoint for Windows 2.0 or later. * Supports printing of PowerPoint presentations. * Allows password protection for kiosk-style slide shows. http://www.microsoft.com/mac/downloads.aspx?pid=download&location=/mac/download/office98/powerpoint98viewer.xml&secid=20&ssid=7&flgnosysreq=False Otherwise, Apple's Keynote (either standalone or as part of iWork) opens Powerpoint files just fine. Even the demo version does this. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 18:38:53 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 11 17:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" | Frog Prince wrote: | > We are a multi OS house hold. we have the ability to view PowerPoint presentations on the Windows OS but need a source to do so on a Mac G4 lap top. | > | > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be appreciated. | | What version of Powerpoint were the presentations created in? | | And, are you running Classic mode on your Macs? We have the option but have not as yet use the Classica mode for anything as all our working software is geared for OS X and above. | This free viewer app from Microsoft may not support PP2003-specific | features and requires Classic: How do I ID what version this power point was created with? From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 18:43:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 11 17:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:daue16$7m5$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a PI*. | > I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely need two, one | > for the house and one for travel. | > | > Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and computers | > as she often has to test her work to see how it works in the rest of the | > world. | | I also have a G4 laptop and went with the Kensington Bluetooth Mouse - | which the Mac recognized and paired with out of the box. It's | well-built, sturdy etc. | | If there's a minus with it at all - it's that the batteries make it | "heavier" than my standard mice - corded Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical. How much heaver? While carry around weight is a concern the real issue is how it affects the user. Karen does all her graphics with the mouse vs. a pen/tablet. | | In my case case, heavy enough so that I switched back to carrying around | a tethered mouse and leaving one at home. I buy the OEM versions at | $10 each, so the cost was nominal. | | But - back to the Kensington mouse. As long as the PC you're trying to | connect to has Bluetooth, you're fine. | | And that will be the catch with most every wireless mouse. The host | machine needs to have Bluetooth - or be ready to accept whatever little | USB RF dongle other mice might need that needs to be installed in order | for the mouse to communicate. I think the G4 laptop is Bluetooth compatible. The option to buy a dongle to work with other machines is a plus but not an absolute as we are playing 'what if' to see that we cover as many basis as practical from the get go. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 17:09:46 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 11 19:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > How do I ID what version this power point was created with? Good question. I dunno. If it were me, I'd download the free viewer as I'll bet it at least attempts to open anything that ends in a .ppt extension. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 11 17:17:41 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 11 19:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Rick Carlton" wrote in message > news:daue16$7m5$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a PI*. > | > I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely need two, > one > | > for the house and one for travel. > | > > | > Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and > computers > | > as she often has to test her work to see how it works in the rest of the > | > world. > | > | I also have a G4 laptop and went with the Kensington Bluetooth Mouse - > | which the Mac recognized and paired with out of the box. It's > | well-built, sturdy etc. > | > | If there's a minus with it at all - it's that the batteries make it > | "heavier" than my standard mice - corded Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical. > > How much heaver? While carry around weight is a concern the real issue is > how it affects the user. Karen does all her graphics with the mouse vs. a > pen/tablet. I'll try and weigh both when I get home for comparison. My memory is that it's about twice the weight of a Microsoft mouse. Think generic mouse weight plus some electronics and two double-A batteries. And, as I'm spending most of my time on Illustrator and/or InDesign these days, the seemingly more nimble response from this corded mouse won out over the cordless convenience. The Kensington won out slide-friendliness for slipperier pads on the bottom. Especially as I tend to sit down and work on the Powerbook for long enough stretches that I need the AC adapter anyway. In fact, I bought an additional AC adapter and that's been the biggest plus - keep one in my bag and one on my desk. > I think the G4 laptop is Bluetooth compatible. The option to buy a dongle > to work with other machines is a plus but not an absolute as we are playing > 'what if' to see that we cover as many basis as practical from the get go. You can confirm Bluetooth by going to System Preferences and looking for a Bluetooth Preference Panel. If it's visible, you have Bluetooth. If it's there, and your wife has a Bluetooth-enabled cellphone - she may be able to Sync her contacts and even little image snippets with her phone - depending on the phone and carrier, etc. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 01:23:49 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 12 00:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dauuml$hrb$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "Rick Carlton" wrote in message | > news:daue16$7m5$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | Frog Prince wrote: | > | > My wife has a G4 Mac lap top. works great but the wired mouse is a PI*. | > | > I'd like to buy her a good (excellent) wireless mouse. Likely need two, | > one | > | > for the house and one for travel. | > | > | > | > Not an absolute but would be nice if it worked with other OS and | > computers | > | > as she often has to test her work to see how it works in the rest of the | > | > world. | > | | > | I also have a G4 laptop and went with the Kensington Bluetooth Mouse - | > | which the Mac recognized and paired with out of the box. It's | > | well-built, sturdy etc. | > | | > | If there's a minus with it at all - it's that the batteries make it | > | "heavier" than my standard mice - corded Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical. | > | > How much heaver? While carry around weight is a concern the real issue is | > how it affects the user. Karen does all her graphics with the mouse vs. a | > pen/tablet. | | I'll try and weigh both when I get home for comparison. | | My memory is that it's about twice the weight of a Microsoft mouse. | Think generic mouse weight plus some electronics and two double-A batteries. | | And, as I'm spending most of my time on Illustrator and/or InDesign | these days, the seemingly more nimble response from this corded mouse | won out over the cordless convenience. The Kensington won out | slide-friendliness for slipperier pads on the bottom. | | Especially as I tend to sit down and work on the Powerbook for long | enough stretches that I need the AC adapter anyway. In fact, I bought | an additional AC adapter and that's been the biggest plus - keep one in | my bag and one on my desk. | | | > I think the G4 laptop is Bluetooth compatible. The option to buy a dongle | > to work with other machines is a plus but not an absolute as we are playing | > 'what if' to see that we cover as many basis as practical from the get go. | | You can confirm Bluetooth by going to System Preferences and looking for | a Bluetooth Preference Panel. If it's visible, you have Bluetooth. | | If it's there, and your wife has a Bluetooth-enabled cellphone - she may | be able to Sync her contacts and even little image snippets with her | phone - depending on the phone and carrier, etc. VZN has Bluetooth and most other interface options crippled so that you have to use their flavor of interface at a co$t ... From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Tue Jul 12 12:03:22 2005 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Tue Jul 12 07:05:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:35:44 +0100, Mr K. Mean <35zyuhr02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > Any recommendations for UK broadband? I'm moving to east London and am > looking for something. I have Vodafone ADSL now and I'm not terribly > happy with it. 572k is painfully slow. This is the first DSL I had had > too, I always used cable in the US. I am somewhat biased, however: http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/ http://www.easynetconnect.co.uk/ Different account types offering differing functionality (UK Online is an easynet owned and operated "Virtual ISP"). -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Jul 12 17:01:15 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Jul 12 10:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:35:44 +0100, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > It would probably have to be at least 1 MB and a decent amount of usage, > I think I would use up 1 gig fairly quickly. I don't care about the > extra stuff either, firewalls, virus protection, fancy portals, blah > blah blah. Recommending a broadband service isn't as easy as telling you which ones to steer clear of. For example, don't go anywhere near Tiscali unless you're wearing a military grade hazmat suit: http://www.exim.org/mail-archives/exim-users/Week-of-Mon-20050404/msg00002.html NTL (cable) is also terminally clueless with zombies rampant all over their net space and the abuse desk doing bugger all. Virgin.net uses NTL's network (or what's left of it). Freeserve is wanadoo - 'nuff said. I think you'll find that if yoiu have a BT phone line, BT Internet would be the best deal for you. They seem to be fractionally less lethargic than other providers when it comes to dealing with abuse and in the event of a hardware problem you'll get better service than if you were the client of another provider using BT lines. High speed broadband, however, is harder to find in the UK than elsewhere in Europe. The norm over there is 512kbps or 1mbps down. Over here (.fr) it's 8mbps down. I have 10mbps down, 320kbps up, and could boost it to 20mbps down, 1mbps up (but that would mean changing my static IP). -- Steve For Mac, it's AppleTalk. For Novell, it's IPX. For Windows, it's a mystery. For the Internet, it's TCP/IP. Linux supports them all. From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 09:35:30 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Tue Jul 12 11:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Compacting 'SQL Anywhere'-format databases... Message-ID: Hello, Someone out there know more than me about compacting 'SQL Anywhere'-format databases?... - not hard! :-) I have some groundwater monitoring hardware / software that I have found uses a 'SQL Anywhere'-format database (*.db) in the back-end (which, seemingly, based on my Googling is the same as Sybase ASA (sic?)) Data is collected on 20 minute intervals across multiple data channels. Since Apr. '04 the database has nearly doubled in size from around 230 to 455 Mb - and yet the amount of records in the database should only have increased by about 35% - so a case of the all too common 'relational database bloat!' :-) This 'bloated' size increase is slowing down the use of the front-end software to a very limiting degree. If it was an Access or SQL Server dataset, no problem, compact / growth manage away. However, as no SQL Anywhere tools were provided with the GW software (for valid reasons). I am not sure how to run a compaction on this database. I have goggled for a utility or tool, done some reading up whilst there, no luck. Any suggestions gratefully accepted! For instance, can SQL Server compact this and leave it in its native format? Thanks in advance! SKIWI / GREG ... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 13:52:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 12 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be | > appreciated. | | How about not using proprietary formats (which will always give you this | kind of grief) in the first place? Not an option this is a client of my wife's graphic arts business. What we get is what we have to live with. | Failing that, OpenOffice.org should be able to open PowerPlonk | documents. | | http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html | Thanks that's not one I had found. In any case the immediate problem seems to have resolved itself. I may just have to buy myself a low end Mac to play with as my wife's G4 splash screen still reads 'DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS' Not that I blame her as if I should screw it up (real as I will likely screw it up) she would be dead in the water with her clients. Curious does there exist a process where by programs that work under a Mac OS can be used on a PC? From no at spam.invalid Tue Jul 12 11:11:06 2005 From: no at spam.invalid (Michael Wise) Date: Tue Jul 12 13:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > | > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them > work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be > | > appreciated. > | > | How about not using proprietary formats (which will always give you this > | kind of grief) in the first place? > > Not an option this is a client of my wife's graphic arts business. What we > get is what we have to live with. Then you should have a Mac copy of Office. > In any case the immediate problem seems to have resolved itself. I may just > have to buy myself a low end Mac to play with as my wife's G4 splash screen > still reads 'DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS' Macs play just finer with others. However, as is the case with any computer, the user is expected to have a clue. > Not that I blame her as if > I should screw it up (real as I will likely screw it up) she would be dead > in the water with her clients. > > Curious does there exist a process where by programs that work under a Mac > OS can be used on a PC? Mac MS Office files work just find under Windows MS office. They should since Office was for the Mac long before there was ever a Windows version. --Mike From blacklist-me at davjam.org Tue Jul 12 20:14:54 2005 From: blacklist-me at davjam.org (David Bolt) Date: Tue Jul 12 14:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Mr K. Mean <35zyuhr02@sneakemail.com> wrote:- >BT seems ok and at this point, they seem confident that my address does >in fact exist and will be installing a phone line and everything. So, >2 mb seems slightly cheaper than 8 mb from UK Online. 8 seems nice, >but I seem to remember I was plenty happy with the speed for my cable >modem when it was 2-3 mb. 572k is just a bit too slow, but it seems >like the sweet spot is just a bit beyond that. I guess 30 gigs a month >is probably ok too. I probably don't download a gig a day very often. >Maybe I'll just go with that one then. Have a look at ADSLguide[0]. There you can compare some/most/all of the ISPs features and also read comments made by the customers, both favourable and unfavourable, in the forums. On a personal note, I'm quite happy with Demon who provide a static IP, no restrictions on running servers, no limits on downloads and, like other ISPs, are in the process of upgrading customer speeds to the maximum their line supports. [0] Regards, David Bolt -- Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 63 Mnodes/s: http://www.distributed.net/ AMD 1800 1Gb WinXP/SuSE 9.3 | AMD 2400 160Mb SuSE 8.1 | AMD 2400 256Mb SuSE 9.0 AMD 1300 512Mb SuSE 9.0 | Falcon 14Mb TOS 4.02 | STE 4Mb TOS 1.62 RPC600 129Mb RISCOS 3.6 | A3010 4Mb RISCOS 3.11 | A4000 4Mb RISCOS 3.11 From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 12 20:16:14 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:20:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein on 12/07/2005 wrote: > NTL (cable) is also terminally clueless with zombies rampant all over > their net space and the abuse desk doing bugger all. Virgin.net uses > NTL's network (or what's left of it). I agree about their Help Desk 100%, but, I think they may have taken action regarding the zombies. As a spamcop user I am no longer seeing any spam coming via NTL although their ethics in their dealings with their customers who are also spamcop users after they helped solve the NTL spam problem through NTL's request leaves much to be desired. That however is a different subject. Rob From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 13:55:07 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recomendations for a wireless optical mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > VZN has Bluetooth and most other interface options crippled so that you have > to use their flavor of interface at a co$t ... Understood. Sprint does the same with my LG-325, which I bought for the Mac bluetooth support. (sigh) Next time it's T-Mobile and either a Blackberry or a SonyEricsson handset. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 17:52:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 12 17:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "Michael Wise" | > | > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make them | > work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be | > | > appreciated. | > | | > | How about not using proprietary formats (which will always give you this | > | kind of grief) in the first place? | > | > Not an option this is a client of my wife's graphic arts business. What we | > get is what we have to live with. | | Then you should have a Mac copy of Office. This is a one off requirement and we only need to view not edit or otherwise manipulate. FWIW she been doing this for almost 40 years but less than 10 years on a Mac platform and this is the only time she has needed the option. | > In any case the immediate problem seems to have resolved itself. I may just | > have to buy myself a low end Mac to play with as my wife's G4 splash screen | > still reads 'DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS' | | Macs play just finer with others. However, as is the case with any | computer, the user is expected to have a clue. The point 'does not play well with others' is a bit tong in cheek. Her Mac is *mission* critical and she does not have time to reset or reconfigure any changes I may induce. We have a number of computers here in the house including an older Mac OS 9 that are used to test her work and to a lesser extent are used by our grand kids when they visit. As to having a clue I will eventually get one with Macs but not with any stick time on *her* machine. From no at spam.invalid Tue Jul 12 15:23:00 2005 From: no at spam.invalid (Michael Wise) Date: Tue Jul 12 17:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > > | > | > I've tried some of the open source programs and can't seem to make > them > | > work so any assistance locating a reader/viewer for the Mac OS would be > | > | > appreciated. > | > | > | > | How about not using proprietary formats (which will always give you > this > | > | kind of grief) in the first place? > | > > | > Not an option this is a client of my wife's graphic arts business. What > we > | > get is what we have to live with. > | > | Then you should have a Mac copy of Office. > > This is a one off requirement and we only need to view not edit or otherwise > manipulate. FWIW she been doing this for almost 40 years but less than 10 > years on a Mac platform and this is the only time she has needed the option. Given that computer graphics design has only been available to the consumer for about 20 years...with pretty much the first 10 years of that being 99% Mac and the last 10 years of which continues to be overwhelmingly dominated by the Mac...how can that be? > > | > In any case the immediate problem seems to have resolved itself. I may > just > | > have to buy myself a low end Mac to play with as my wife's G4 splash > screen > | > still reads 'DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS' > | > | Macs play just finer with others. However, as is the case with any > | computer, the user is expected to have a clue. > > The point 'does not play well with others' is a bit tong in cheek. Her Mac > is *mission* critical and she does not have time to reset or reconfigure any > changes I may induce. We have a number of computers here in the house > including an older Mac OS 9 that are used to test her work and to a lesser > extent are used by our grand kids when they visit. > > As to having a clue I will eventually get one with Macs but not with any > stick time on *her* machine. Still, having a Mac version of Office around would not be a bad thing. --Mike From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 12 19:03:50 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 12 18:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "Michael Wise" | > | Then you should have a Mac copy of Office. | > | > This is a one off requirement and we only need to view not edit or otherwise | > manipulate. FWIW she been doing this for almost 40 years but less than 10 | > years on a Mac platform and this is the only time she has needed the option. | | | Given that computer graphics design has only been available to the | consumer for about 20 years...with pretty much the first 10 years of | that being 99% Mac and the last 10 years of which continues to be | overwhelmingly dominated by the Mac...how can that be? Computer is not the only way graphics were or for that matter still done. FWIW she still has her slate and chalk | > | > | > In any case the immediate problem seems to have resolved itself. I may | > just have to buy myself a low end Mac to play with as my wife's G4 splash | > screen still reads 'DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS' | > | | > | Macs play just finer with others. However, as is the case with any | > | computer, the user is expected to have a clue. | > | > The point 'does not play well with others' is a bit tong in cheek. Her Mac | > is *mission* critical and she does not have time to reset or reconfigure any | > changes I may induce. We have a number of computers here in the house | > including an older Mac OS 9 that are used to test her work and to a lesser | > extent are used by our grand kids when they visit. | > | > As to having a clue I will eventually get one with Macs but not with any | > stick time on *her* machine. | | | Still, having a Mac version of Office around would not be a bad thing. We don't often buy things we don't need even if they are neat. From captain.sisko at deep.space.nine Tue Jul 12 19:40:40 2005 From: captain.sisko at deep.space.nine (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Tue Jul 12 18:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Did I get nailed? Message-ID: A while back, while browing USENET, Outlook Express jammed up and crashed a couple times. Recently, I noticed that while selecting a spam to send to SpamCop, the embedded pictures loaded. I went to the security settings in OE and noticed that my zone had been mysteriously changed from the restricted (more secure) to the internet zone. Also, the option to not download pictures was de-selected. I made the changes... and did some research. Seems there is an exploit out there that allows someone to seize control of OE and wreak havoc. My latest virus scans turned out clean and AdAware didn't turn up anything. Wondering if, however, I have been compromised in some other way? Any clues? --- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. www.dwacon.com From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Jul 12 19:42:42 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jul 12 18:45:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > Curious does there exist a process where by programs that work under a Mac > OS can be used on a PC? There are emulators. The only one I know of that can emulate OS X on a PC is called "CherryOS," but the company Web site has gone AWOL. Other software only emulate the old Motorola 680x0 processors, which means no Power PC software. There's Mac-on-Linux, which boots OS 8.6-9.2 on a Linux box. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Jul 13 11:23:05 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Jul 13 04:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Did I get nailed? References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:40:40 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I made the changes... and did some research. Seems there is an exploit > out there that allows someone to seize control of OE and wreak havoc. *AN* exploit? ITYM about 50,000 exploits... > My latest virus scans turned out clean and AdAware didn't turn up > anything. Wondering if, however, I have been compromised in some other > way? It's entirely possible given that many nasties deactivate AV scanners, firewalls and the like. -- Steve NOTICE: -- THE ELEVATORS WILL BE OUT OF ORDER TODAY -- (The nearest working elevators are in the building across the street.) From user at domain.invalid Wed Jul 13 09:02:38 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Spammers Just Don't Get It Message-ID: Spammers using completely unrelated text to throw off SpamAssassin and the like just don't get it so I thought I'd pass along this one just for grins and giggles. The "message" - unrelated text: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- If tomato from ruffian steal pencils from fighter pilot related to recliner, then apartment building around hides.Any cheese wheel can make a truce with cheese wheel about fruit cake, but it takes a real chess board to waif related to cheese wheel.Now and then, deficit about buy an expensive gift for inside swamp.For example, toothache defined by widow indicates that defendant about confess blithe spirit over bubble. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the SpamAssassin analysis of the email: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Content analysis details: (21.8 points, 5.0 required) -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FROM_ILLEGAL_CHARS From contains too many raw illegal characters 2.9 SUBJ_ILLEGAL_CHARS Subject contains too many raw illegal characters 1.2 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO 2.1 HEAD_ILLEGAL_CHARS Header contains too many raw illegal characters 0.1 HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04 BODY: HTML has a low ratio of text to image area 2.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag 0.8 HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST BODY: HTML font color similar to background 0.1 MPART_ALT_DIFF BODY: HTML and text parts are different 1.9 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 99 to 100% [score: 1.0000] 0.0 HTML_90_100 BODY: Message is 90% to 100% HTML 5.0 RCVD_IN_TAIWAN_BLACKHOLES RBL: Received via a relay in taiwan.blackholes.us [219.81.144.96 listed in taiwan.blackholes.us] 0.3 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: From: sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org 1.0 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL listed in the SBL blocklist [URIs: email104.com] 4.3 URIBL_SC_SURBL Contains an URL listed in the SC SURBL blocklist [URIs: email104.com] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- :-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 10:11:09 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Google Toolbar for Firefox Message-ID: Did anyone here get the google toolbar for Firefox to download and install? http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/index.html When I try, it tells me that the download failed. I'll keep trying. From user at domain.invalid Wed Jul 13 09:24:54 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13.07.2005 08:11, Neil wrote: --- Original Message --- > Did anyone here get the google toolbar for Firefox to download and install? > > http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/index.html > > When I try, it tells me that the download failed. I'll keep trying. > Is the install file a .XPI file that can be downloaded to your desktop and THEN installed? If so then d'load to the desktop, open the extensions window in FF and dragNdrop the xpi to the window and then click the INSTALL button. I use PRGoogleBar in FF and that works just fine in the recent 1.0.5 just released yesterday. From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Wed Jul 13 14:40:10 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox References: Message-ID: On 13 Jul 2005 Neil entered spamcop.geeks and left news:db33td$qac$1@news.spamcop.net: > Did anyone here get the google toolbar for Firefox to download and > install? > > http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/index.html > > When I try, it tells me that the download failed. I'll keep trying. > Most of that's already available in Mozilla, or just use the Googlebar which has been around quite some time. http://googlebar.mozdev.org/ -- | Ric | From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 10:51:33 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox References: Message-ID: "Blammo" wrote in message news:Xns9692440704424blammo@216.154.195.61... > On 13 Jul 2005 Neil entered spamcop.geeks and left > news:db33td$qac$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Did anyone here get the google toolbar for Firefox to download and > > install? > > > > http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/index.html > > > > When I try, it tells me that the download failed. I'll keep trying. > > > > Most of that's already available in Mozilla, or just use the Googlebar > which has been around quite some time. > http://googlebar.mozdev.org/ > I'll certainly give googlebar a shot, but was interested to see how well the 'official' version worked compared with the IE implementation. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 13:46:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 13 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Computer is not the only way graphics were or for that matter still > done. FWIW she still has her slate and chalk > Heh. Ain't that the truth -- we are so damn spoiled these days. I remember publishing technical papers back in the late 80's early 90's and having to do it the old fashioned way -- cut and paste printed text onto white cardboard with glue (cutting done with scissors, not ctrl-c ;-), data plots were done on graph paper by hand and pasted into the correct places within the papers, calculations were typically shown in freehand writing. From captain.sisko at deep.space.nine Wed Jul 13 14:32:03 2005 From: captain.sisko at deep.space.nine (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:35:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Netbios Datagrams Message-ID: ZoneAlarm has been blocking a TON of "Netbios Datagrams" lately. What are they? --- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. www.dwacon.com From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 14:34:30 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:35:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:db34mn$qjm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Is the install file a .XPI file that can be downloaded to your desktop > and THEN installed? If so then d'load to the desktop, open the > extensions window in FF and dragNdrop the xpi to the window and then > click the INSTALL button. > Well I finally managed to get it installed. Took your advice to download the .xpi, but had to do that using IE. For some reason it wouldn't download using FF. Anyway going to play with it, and then maybe try googlebar for comparison. Thanks for the advice. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 14:38:54 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:db3jb7$2j5$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well I finally managed to get it installed. Took your advice to download > the .xpi, but had to do that using IE. For info, here's the URL: http://toolbar.google.com/firefox/extensions/toolbar/google-toolbar.xpi From skiwi at spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 12:13:33 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Netbios Datagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dwayne Conyers wrote: > ZoneAlarm has been blocking a TON of "Netbios Datagrams" lately. What > are they? http://206.131.241.58/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000287&p= http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212633,00.html From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 15:22:08 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > Computer is not the only way graphics were or for that matter still | > done. FWIW she still has her slate and chalk | > | | Heh. Ain't that the truth -- we are so damn spoiled these days. I remember | publishing technical papers back in the late 80's early 90's and having to | do it the old fashioned way -- cut and paste printed text onto white | cardboard with glue (cutting done with scissors, not ctrl-c ;-), data plots | were done on graph paper by hand and pasted into the correct places within | the papers, calculations were typically shown in freehand writing. I recall a not so long ago engineering meeting where there was a discussion on some calculations. I had my slip stick in my brief case and had the answer before anyone calculator could be set up. One young engineer (I'm not sure he was serious or not) asked if I had problems finding batteries for my 'legacy device'. Still fun as we took an extend lunch (for the entire rest of the afternoon) so everyone had a chance to play with the slide rule. (there not much difference between a man and a boy ... only the price of his toys) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 16:23:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 13 15:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > I recall a not so long ago engineering meeting where there was a > discussion on some calculations. I had my slip stick in my brief > case and had the answer before anyone calculator could be set up. > One young engineer (I'm not sure he was serious or not) asked if I > had problems finding batteries for my 'legacy device'. My Dad used to carry one of those around with him to work, in yes, I'm afraid to say.....a POCKET PROTECTOR! He tried several times to show my how it worked but I could never quite get a handle on it.....some sort of left brain malfunction..... From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jul 13 18:25:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 13 17:30:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > I recall a not so long ago engineering meeting where there was a | > discussion on some calculations. I had my slip stick in my brief | > case and had the answer before anyone calculator could be set up. | > One young engineer (I'm not sure he was serious or not) asked if I | > had problems finding batteries for my 'legacy device'. | | My Dad used to carry one of those around with him to work, in yes, I'm | afraid to say.....a POCKET PROTECTOR! He tried several times to show my how | it worked but I could never quite get a handle on it.....some sort of left | brain malfunction..... | Think of mechanically adding log components. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 13 20:17:25 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 13 22:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] New RAM standard for me. Message-ID: For the last few years. I've been content with 512mb of RAM. Most programs ran smoothly and I never figured that I'd need to upgrade. Well I just upgraded to 1gb (total) and it feels good! From user at domain.invalid Wed Jul 13 22:32:46 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jul 13 22:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Google Toolbar for Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13.07.2005 12:34, Neil wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" wrote in message > news:db34mn$qjm$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> >> Is the install file a .XPI file that can be downloaded to your desktop >> and THEN installed? If so then d'load to the desktop, open the >> extensions window in FF and dragNdrop the xpi to the window and then >> click the INSTALL button. >> > > Well I finally managed to get it installed. Took your advice to download > the .xpi, but had to do that using IE. For some reason it wouldn't download > using FF. Anyway going to play with it, and then maybe try googlebar for > comparison. > > Thanks for the advice. > FF will not download an install file as such for security reasons. Usually when you see the url displayed in the lower status bar and it is in fact the location of the .xpi file then simply right-click on the link, choose "save link as" to your desktop and then dragNdrop to the extensions window. From user at domain.invalid Wed Jul 13 22:35:19 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jul 13 22:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Netbios Datagrams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13.07.2005 12:32, Dwayne Conyers wrote: --- Original Message --- > ZoneAlarm has been blocking a TON of "Netbios Datagrams" lately. What > are they? > > --- > I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. > www.dwacon.com > > See http://grc.com for all the info on open ports and such. Just close up NetBIOS ports 137 and 139 and you should feel reasonably safe. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Thu Jul 14 00:10:57 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Thu Jul 14 02:10:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > For the last few years. I've been content with 512mb of RAM. Most > programs ran smoothly and I never figured that I'd need to upgrade. > Well I just upgraded to 1gb (total) and it feels good! I used to think I'd never need more than 1GB, but I've been trying to run Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign all at the same time lately, doing some editing of the InDesign document and frequently choosing to "Edit Original" on the graphic. Naturally, it's Photoshop who's not willing to share well. :-) From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 14 00:44:14 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 14 02:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> For the last few years. I've been content with 512mb of RAM. Most >> programs ran smoothly and I never figured that I'd need to upgrade. >> Well I just upgraded to 1gb (total) and it feels good! > > > I used to think I'd never need more than 1GB, but I've been trying to > run Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign all at the same time lately, > doing some editing of the InDesign document and frequently choosing to > "Edit Original" on the graphic. > > Naturally, it's Photoshop who's not willing to share well. :-) I imagine that I'll probably be able to stick with 1gb for some time now. Prior to this, it's been several years since I upgraded my RAM (haven't needed more than 512 since I was running Windows ME), so it just never occured to me that my hard drive thrashing would be solved by a RAM upgrade. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 14 09:54:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 14 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need a source of a PowerPoint Viewer for Mac OS X References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" He tried several times to > | show my how it worked but I could never quite get a handle on > | it.....some sort of left brain malfunction..... > | > > Think of mechanically adding log components. Ay, there's the rub. Even though I took 6-7 levels of calculus in college, learned how to solve the Shroedinger and Navier-Stokes equations by hand, I could never, ever, understand different log systems! (except the natural log, which doesn't require much thinking) From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Jul 14 17:23:00 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Thu Jul 14 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:db51ju$vij$1@news.spamcop.net... > Rick Carlton wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > > > >> For the last few years. I've been content with 512mb of RAM. Most > >> programs ran smoothly and I never figured that I'd need to upgrade. > >> Well I just upgraded to 1gb (total) and it feels good! > > Yummm... wiggle room. > > > > I used to think I'd never need more than 1GB, but I've been trying to > > run Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign all at the same time lately, > > doing some editing of the InDesign document and frequently choosing to > > "Edit Original" on the graphic. > > > > Naturally, it's Photoshop who's not willing to share well. :-) > > I imagine that I'll probably be able to stick with 1gb for some time now. > Prior to this, it's been several years since I upgraded my RAM (haven't > needed more than 512 since I was running Windows ME), so it just never > occured to me that my hard drive thrashing would be solved by a RAM upgrade. :) Can you say "paging file"? What OS are you running now? On my XP machine I have 2GB of RAM and my hard drive practically never even winks at me. -- D-LO From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 14 18:42:24 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 14 20:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:db51ju$vij$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Rick Carlton wrote: >> >>>Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>>For the last few years. I've been content with 512mb of RAM. Most >>>>programs ran smoothly and I never figured that I'd need to upgrade. >>>>Well I just upgraded to 1gb (total) and it feels good! >>> > > Yummm... wiggle room. Yep! I can go higher, but my memory is not supported by newer motherboards, so I don't want to stock up on RAM that I'll have to get rid of later anyways. :) > > Can you say "paging file"? What OS are you running now? On my XP > machine I have 2GB of RAM and my hard drive practically never even winks > at me. > > -- > D-LO > Oh yeah I'm quite familiar with the paging file, but I never attributed it to low RAM. As I said, my computer ran fine with 512mb...it's only with higher-end games where the problem showed up. I actually had to look up the "recommended" system specs on my latest game to realize that it may, in fact, be a memory issue. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 15 11:19:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 15 10:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Oh yeah I'm quite familiar with the paging file, but I never > attributed it to low RAM. And you have the nerve to call yourself a geek? Sheesh! As I said, my computer ran fine with > 512mb...it's only with higher-end games where the problem showed up. Have you checked the default size of your page file? It's likely swallowing up (reserving) a huge amount of your disk space for no good reason. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Fri Jul 15 12:12:52 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Jul 15 14:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AIM on blackberries In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Ok, they made me get one. If I'm going to be stuck with this thing, how > do I get my personal life on it? I have a 7100v from Vodafone. I don't > see it installed on there. I'd even settle for Yahoo Messenger if I > have to. The manual is pretty useless and the legal document stuff that > comes with it is about 10 times as long as the actual documentation. There should be an OZ IM Client built-in. One account, one service at a time. There's a multi-service client - for a fee, or course - at http://pdaapps.com/verichat_bby/verichat_bby.html From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Jul 15 15:53:48 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Jul 15 17:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>Oh yeah I'm quite familiar with the paging file, but I never >>attributed it to low RAM. > > > And you have the nerve to call yourself a geek? Sheesh! Hey it's just not something I deal with very often! :) I haven't had to upgrade my RAM for several years...only when I was looking for alternatives to buying a Serial ATA drive + controller card. I realized that it may actually be time to upgrade my RAM again...and it seems that I was right. > > As I said, my computer ran fine with > >>512mb...it's only with higher-end games where the problem showed up. > > > Have you checked the default size of your page file? It's likely swallowing > up (reserving) a huge amount of your disk space for no good reason. > > Yeah actually that's the first thing I noticed after the upgrade. When I had 512mb of RAM, my page file was at 768mb per drive (I have a page file on both C and D drives). When I upgraded to 1gb of RAM, my page file ballooned to 1.5gb per drive (for a total of 3gb). From igsmith at spamcop.net Sat Jul 16 18:21:13 2005 From: igsmith at spamcop.net (Ian Smith) Date: Sat Jul 16 12:25:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Hi all, > Any recommendations for UK broadband? Force 9 is excellent (same company as PlusNet) - excellent customer service too. They did very well in the Which? mag recommendations. I agree with comments re NTL - I ditched them because of extremely bad customer service. Also, using a BT line allows access to all the low cost telephone operators, which an NTL line doesn't. regards Ian From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Jul 16 17:38:22 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Jul 16 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: Ian Smith on 16/07/2005 wrote: > Force 9 is excellent (same company as PlusNet) - excellent customer > service too. They did very well in the Which? mag recommendations. I > agree with comments re NTL - I ditched them because of extremely bad > customer service. > > Also, using a BT line allows access to all the low cost telephone > operators, which an NTL line doesn't. Ah, although I'm presently disgusted with NTL's Help Desk I cannot complain about their phone service. Then I am on ADSL and am automatically routed to their lines and their call charges are on the whole much better than BT's plus I have ?15 of free calls per month and as far as the BT lower costs I can prefix the number and have the call routed via BT. My main gripe with them was that they requested copies of spam reports from SpamCop so as to help solve their spam problem then when they had solved it they were automatically rejecting and bouncing all legit mail from SpamCop to themselves and their customers without any word of explanation to why they were doing it. It caused a lot of problems for SpamCop users as their accounts kept being suspended until the bounce flag was reset. It was impossible to get any rational reply from NTL about the problem, when they did reply the reply was totally irrelevant to the question indicating that they were either not bothering to read the question or else avoiding answering it. It was extremely un-professional behaviour IMHO and it forced a lot of their customers to change their SpamCop reporting address to Yahoo or whatever. Rob From ratpic2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 16:30:56 2005 From: ratpic2 at gmail.com (ratpic2) Date: Sat Jul 16 18:35:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] NEW WEBSITE Message-ID: New Adult Links Site and Webmaster Resources 100% free no popups or hidden adds. We are dedicated to a clean site for all to enjoy... visit us at http://www.xxx-eutopia.com/ From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Jul 17 14:33:03 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Jul 17 07:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:21:13 +0100, Ian Smith coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Mr K. Mean wrote: >> Hi all, >> Any recommendations for UK broadband? You might want to avoid bulldog too... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/15/bulldog_ispa/ > Force 9 is excellent (same company as PlusNet) If it's the same company as plus.net then it's to be avoided. Plus.net has one of the most lame AUP's imaginable. There's one particular retard over in NANAE (Moris, aka Moronis) who keeps on morphing around killfiles. Such deliberate morphing is aganst the AUP of any sane ISP, but not against plus.net's AUP. Result: many have simply killfiled anything posted through plus.net. -- Steve "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." -- President George W. Bush addressing the Pentagon, 05-AUG-2004 From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun Jul 17 16:20:25 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun Jul 17 18:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Seeking help 'manually' setting up to check an MSN email account... Message-ID: Hey, Just changed to Qwest DSL as I moved - and it was WAY cheaper to get MSN Premium (sic) with the DSL (and free modem rental, no activation) than to get just standalone DSL - go figure! Anyway... I want to stick with my spamcop and existing ISP provider, but thought I had better check the MSN email account that gave me just in case - but do NOT want to use the MSN 'wizard' to set the account up (did not want to muck up my existing setup/s, I use Mozilla not OE or other MS product, don't want all the extra BS, etc, etc) Googling for the POP mail server address for MSN, I found pop3.email.msn.com, Port 110, user name, etc... but unlike all the other ISPs I use or have used for work or home, it does not seem to work - the dialog gives: "Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server pop3.email.msn.com responded: command not implemented" Help! :-) I tried Googling this of course, but have not yet tried to get hold of MSN "help"... TIA! GREG... From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Sun Jul 17 20:08:15 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Sun Jul 17 22:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking help 'manually' setting up to check an MSN email account... References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Just changed to Qwest DSL as I moved - and it was WAY cheaper to get MSN > Premium (sic) with the DSL (and free modem rental, no activation) than > to get just standalone DSL - go figure! Anyway... > > I want to stick with my spamcop and existing ISP provider, but thought I > had better check the MSN email account that gave me just in case - but > do NOT want to use the MSN 'wizard' to set the account up (did not want > to muck up my existing setup/s, I use Mozilla not OE or other MS > product, don't want all the extra BS, etc, etc) > > Googling for the POP mail server address for MSN, I found > pop3.email.msn.com, Port 110, user name, etc... but unlike all the other > ISPs I use or have used for work or home, it does not seem to work - the > dialog gives: > > "Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server pop3.email.msn.com > responded: command not implemented" > > Help! :-) I tried Googling this of course, but have not yet tried > to get hold of MSN "help"... TIA! > > GREG... My understanding is that MSN no longer supports POP3/SMTP email for new accounts, only for legacy (old) accounts. -- John Richards From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 10:27:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 18 09:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > > > >>Oh yeah I'm quite familiar with the paging file, but I never > >>attributed it to low RAM. > > > > > > And you have the nerve to call yourself a geek? Sheesh! > > Hey it's just not something I deal with very often! :) Guess you never worked with multiple 10 MB excel data files open at the same time with only 256 MB of RAM ;-) > Yeah actually that's the first thing I noticed after the upgrade. > When I had 512mb of RAM, my page file was at 768mb per drive (I have > a page file on both C and D drives). When I upgraded to 1gb of RAM, > my page file ballooned to 1.5gb per drive (for a total of 3gb). I assume you set it back to something more rationale? From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 18 10:29:59 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 18 12:30:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > Guess you never worked with multiple 10 MB excel data files open at the same > time with only 256 MB of RAM ;-) Nope! :) > > I assume you set it back to something more rationale? > > Such as? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 13:41:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 18 12:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > > > I assume you set it back to something more rationale? > > > > > > Such as? Google something like "minimum required pagefile size", I forget what the smallest recommended size is, but you sure as shit don't need a 1.5 GB sized one! I think my PC at home (1 gig RAM) is set up with 300-500 MB or so. You don't want to go too small either. D-LO could probably tell you a good size to have without looking it up. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 21:17:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Mon Jul 18 15:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] RDNS Message-ID: Hi All, I have a client (we are the domain reg. admin only) who says 'there is a reverse DNS on the domain which is inhibiting us from sending out multiple emails' Domain is weld-hospice.org.uk The only problem I can find is the secondary nameserver has no MX record(?), but other than that all looks fine to me - can anyone more knowledgable find any other problems? Cheers, Kev From glnews030922 at highspot.net Mon Jul 18 22:04:15 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Mon Jul 18 16:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RDNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TimeLord wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a client (we are the domain reg. admin only) who says 'there is a > reverse DNS on the domain which is inhibiting us from sending out multiple > emails' > > Domain is weld-hospice.org.uk > > The only problem I can find is the secondary nameserver has no MX record(?), > but other than that all looks fine to me - can anyone more knowledgable find > any other problems? dig weld-hospice.org.uk mx ;; ANSWER SECTION: weld-hospice.org.uk. 86400 IN MX 10 mail.weld-hospice.org.uk. So your MX is mail.weld.hospice.org.uk dig mail.weld-hospice.org.uk ;; ANSWER SECTION: mail.weld-hospice.org.uk. 86393 IN A 81.86.69.181 Your MX IP address is 81.86.69.181 dig -x 81.86.69.181 ;; ANSWER SECTION: 181.69.86.81.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR 81-86-69-181.dsl.pipex.com. However, a reverse check says that 81.86.69.181 is 81-86-69-181.dsl.pipex.com. This is what your client is talking about. Many systems will now reject mail if the forward and reverse DNS lookups don't match. Also, the reverse lookup points to a generic looking hostname. Quite a few people will reject on this and systems like Spamassassin will give mail with generic rDNS a positive score. Ask Pipex to set the reverse lookup for 81.86.69.181 to point to mail.weld-hospice.org.uk and it should fix the problem. -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Jul 18 23:16:09 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Jul 18 16:20:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RDNS References: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:17:54 +0100, TimeLord coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I have a client (we are the domain reg. admin only) who says 'there is a > reverse DNS on the domain which is inhibiting us from sending out multiple > emails' > > Domain is weld-hospice.org.uk > > The only problem I can find is the secondary nameserver has no MX record(?), > but other than that all looks fine to me - can anyone more knowledgable find > any other problems? weld-hospice.org.uk resolves to 217.199.184.202, but reverse DNS on that IP address says ns.ajadesign.co.uk. There's a mismatch. However: 1) This is the responsibility of magic-moments.com, who would appear to be clients of hosteurope.com (they have the /24 including that IP address) who are themselves allocated that block by Pipex (UK branch of SpewYouNET/WorldScum/MCI/WhateverTheirNameIsThisWeek) 2) The mismatch between the 'A' record in forward DNS and the 'PTR' record in rDNS shouldn't be too much of a problem since the hostname in the PTR record returned does indeed resolve back to 217.199.184.202. You would do well to pursue the "inhibiting us from sending out multiple mails" issue. What, exactly, do they mean by "multiple mails" - if you get my drift? How do they know that their mail isn't getting out? DSN? What does the notification say - PRECISELY? Do they realise that, if they're using MS-Exchange, that piece of crudware has the annoying habit of *removing* the authoritative message sent back by the receiving MTA and replacing it with its own lame interpretation? Also, read this: http://www.spews.org/html/S1995.html (only L2, I know...) Then this: http://tinyurl.com/7kcsp (expands to a search on NANAS) Hosteurope.com would appear to be quite a sewer. I reckon their problems stem more from widespread blocklisting of their IP address than from DNS issues. -- Steve Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Jul 18 23:18:11 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Jul 18 16:20:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RDNS References: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:04:15 +0100, Graeme Leith coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > dig weld-hospice.org.uk mx > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > weld-hospice.org.uk. 86400 IN MX 10 mail.weld-hospice.org.uk. > > {snip} > > Ask Pipex to set the reverse lookup for 81.86.69.181 to point to > mail.weld-hospice.org.uk and it should fix the problem. You're assuming they use their MX (the machine to which *inbound* mail for them is sent) to *send* mail... -- Steve If a deaf person has to go to court, is it still called a hearing? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 22:24:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Mon Jul 18 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RDNS References: Message-ID: "Graeme Leith" wrote in message news:dbh1s5$j8m$1@news.spamcop.net... > TimeLord wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I have a client (we are the domain reg. admin only) who says 'there is a >> reverse DNS on the domain which is inhibiting us from sending out >> multiple >> emails' >> >> Domain is weld-hospice.org.uk >> >> The only problem I can find is the secondary nameserver has no MX >> record(?), >> but other than that all looks fine to me - can anyone more knowledgable >> find >> any other problems? > > dig weld-hospice.org.uk mx > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > weld-hospice.org.uk. 86400 IN MX 10 > mail.weld-hospice.org.uk. > > So your MX is mail.weld.hospice.org.uk > > > dig mail.weld-hospice.org.uk > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > mail.weld-hospice.org.uk. 86393 IN A 81.86.69.181 > > Your MX IP address is 81.86.69.181 > > > dig -x 81.86.69.181 > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > 181.69.86.81.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR > 81-86-69-181.dsl.pipex.com. > > However, a reverse check says that 81.86.69.181 is > 81-86-69-181.dsl.pipex.com. > > This is what your client is talking about. Many systems will now reject > mail if the forward and reverse DNS lookups don't match. Also, the > reverse lookup points to a generic looking hostname. Quite a few people > will reject on this and systems like Spamassassin will give mail with > generic rDNS a positive score. > > Ask Pipex to set the reverse lookup for 81.86.69.181 to point to > mail.weld-hospice.org.uk and it should fix the problem. Thanks so much for that Geoff - explains the problems precisely :-) Cheers again, A better educated kev :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 22:54:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord) Date: Mon Jul 18 17:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RDNS References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrnddo3g9.6ko.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:17:54 +0100, TimeLord coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > > weld-hospice.org.uk resolves to 217.199.184.202, but reverse DNS on that > IP address says ns.ajadesign.co.uk. > > There's a mismatch. > > However: > > 1) This is the responsibility of magic-moments.com, who would appear to > be clients of hosteurope.com (they have the /24 including that IP > address) who are themselves allocated that block by Pipex (UK branch of > SpewYouNET/WorldScum/MCI/WhateverTheirNameIsThisWeek) > > 2) The mismatch between the 'A' record in forward DNS and the 'PTR' > record in rDNS shouldn't be too much of a problem since the hostname in > the PTR record returned does indeed resolve back to 217.199.184.202. > > You would do well to pursue the "inhibiting us from sending out multiple > mails" issue. What, exactly, do they mean by "multiple mails" - if you > get my drift? > > How do they know that their mail isn't getting out? DSN? What does the > notification say - PRECISELY? Do they realise that, if they're using > MS-Exchange, that piece of crudware has the annoying habit of *removing* > the authoritative message sent back by the receiving MTA and replacing > it with its own lame interpretation? > > Also, read this: http://www.spews.org/html/S1995.html (only L2, I know...) > > Then this: http://tinyurl.com/7kcsp (expands to a search on NANAS) > > Hosteurope.com would appear to be quite a sewer. I reckon their problems > stem more from widespread blocklisting of their IP address than from DNS > issues. Thanks for the further comments, Steve, much appreciated - I do 'get your drift' ;-), and the problems become clearer still. We did tell these folk they shouldn't be moving to where they are now! Wonderful group this - I learn so much, and one day I MAY be able to answer something ;-)! Cheers, kev From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 17:38:17 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Jul 18 19:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking help 'manually' setting up to check an MSN email account... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John Richards wrote: > Skiwi wrote: [snip] >> Googling for the POP mail server address for MSN, I found >> pop3.email.msn.com, Port 110, user name, etc... but unlike all the other >> ISPs I use or have used for work or home, it does not seem to work - the >> dialog gives: >> >> "Sending of username did not succeed. Mail server pop3.email.msn.com >> responded: command not implemented" >> >> Help! :-) I tried Googling this of course, but have not yet tried >> to get hold of MSN "help"... TIA! [snip] > My understanding is that MSN no longer supports POP3/SMTP email for new > accounts, only for legacy (old) accounts. Thanks Microsoft - NOT! I ended up popping if off using the spamcop service to my spamcop In Box (i.e., see http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/305.html) and then grabbing it from there using Mozilla... and filtering it based on the TO: address to a sub-folder... Turned MSN's junk filter right down but unfortunately can not turn it off.... Cheers... GREG... From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 19:33:31 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 18 21:35:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Compacting 'SQL Anywhere'-format databases... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Any suggestions gratefully accepted! For instance, can SQL Server > compact this and leave it in its native format? I must've missed this topic last week....you still looking for this info, etc? From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Jul 18 19:37:51 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Jul 18 21:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Compacting 'SQL Anywhere'-format databases... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Skiwi wrote: > >> Any suggestions gratefully accepted! For instance, can SQL Server >> compact this and leave it in its native format? > > > I must've missed this topic last week....you still looking for this > info, etc? Sure! I downloaded and 'explored' SQL Anywhere's free version, got to know it a preliminary stage, but still no luck on compacting it... but had to move on to chargeable work for awhile! :-) Thanks in advance... From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 20 18:29:35 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 20 20:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! Message-ID: Yet another one of those days. You know the ones. Where something goes wrong (in this case, the network just totally fails) and refuses to work no matter what you try. Finally, after putting everything back the way it was so you start the diagnostic from the beginning...it works again. It wouldn't be so bad if I knew at least what went wrong in the first place! ARGH!!!! From rcarlton at spamcop.net Wed Jul 20 20:14:24 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Jul 20 22:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Yet another one of those days. You know the ones. Where something goes > wrong (in this case, the network just totally fails) and refuses to work > no matter what you try. Finally, after putting everything back the way > it was so you start the diagnostic from the beginning...it works again. > It wouldn't be so bad if I knew at least what went wrong in the first > place! ARGH!!!! You must've reseated the loose cable in the rebuild. ;-) From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 20 20:18:38 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 20 22:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Yet another one of those days. You know the ones. Where something >> goes wrong (in this case, the network just totally fails) and refuses >> to work no matter what you try. Finally, after putting everything >> back the way it was so you start the diagnostic from the >> beginning...it works again. It wouldn't be so bad if I knew at least >> what went wrong in the first place! ARGH!!!! > > > You must've reseated the loose cable in the rebuild. ;-) > That's one of the problems, the network was fully accessible aside from one specific port! Any program that used port 1043 was dead in the water if I tried to run it on my computer. Run on any other computers, it was fine. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Wed Jul 20 22:14:41 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Thu Jul 21 00:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > That's one of the problems, the network was fully accessible aside from > one specific port! Any program that used port 1043 was dead in the > water if I tried to run it on my computer. Run on any other computers, > it was fine. Would that possibly sound like this: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=16089 From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Thu Jul 21 05:52:59 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Thu Jul 21 00:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! References: Message-ID: On 20 Jul 2005 Rick Carlton entered spamcop.geeks and left news:dbn77g$9qb$1@news.spamcop.net: > Borgholio wrote: >> That's one of the problems, the network was fully accessible aside from >> one specific port! Any program that used port 1043 was dead in the >> water if I tried to run it on my computer. Run on any other computers, >> it was fine. > > Would that possibly sound like this: > > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=16089 > Hey, cool. Funny how I had the urge to come here, then read a post I wasn't going to read, and then possibly getting an answer that will help me with a similar problem. Strange how I often find solutions to problems when I'm not looking for the answers. -- | Ric | From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Jul 21 00:23:11 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Jul 21 02:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> That's one of the problems, the network was fully accessible aside >> from one specific port! Any program that used port 1043 was dead in >> the water if I tried to run it on my computer. Run on any other >> computers, it was fine. > > > Would that possibly sound like this: > > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=16089 Similar, but not quite. Specifically, it was Boincview that couldn't connect. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 22 16:42:31 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 22 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: YAAAAARRRRGGGGG!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dbmq9p$3aa$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yet another one of those days. You know the ones. Where something goes > wrong (in this case, the network just totally fails) and refuses to work no > matter what you try. Finally, after putting everything back the way it was > so you start the diagnostic from the beginning...it works again. It > wouldn't be so bad if I knew at least what went wrong in the first place! > ARGH!!!! ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! back atcha! Sounds like my past two days at my local YMCA camp client where we have a wireless network. For some reason, two days in a row, one of the AP's failed - for no known reason, it looks like it's connected, but you can't connect to anything through it. And since it connects the main office to the Internet, that is NOT a good thing!!!Reboot didn't fix it, but a few hours later, after much mulling over what could be causing the problem and testing and riding around the campus testing from various AP's and locations, the second reboot, tried out of frustration that nothing was working, did. -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 22 17:04:13 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 22 16:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dbgld6$c3o$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: > > > > > Guess you never worked with multiple 10 MB excel data files open at the same > > time with only 256 MB of RAM ;-) > > Nope! :) > > > > > > I assume you set it back to something more rationale? > > > > > > Such as? Well, if you ask MSoft, they recommend having a paging file at least the same size as your RAM. On most servers, I set up a paging file about 1 1/2 times the RAM. BUT (and as you can see it's a large but), if the paging file gets used too vigorously during normal I/O (i.e., you see a lot of hard drive thrashing), this indicates that you don't have enough RAM. The most efficient use of paging file is when it is large enough to cache portions of programs as needed, so that your physical memory is freed up for processing data and new program threads. It's a balancing act that is largely managed by the OS, and XP is pretty good at it. The 1.5GB paging file might be bigger than you need, but if you don't have a disk space issue, leave the paging file at that size - it certainly won't hurt and having too small a paging file might adversely affect performance when you start to run any really big programs. Right now, on my XP machine with 2GB RAM, I have a 2GB paging file but only about 500MB is being used, while about 50% of my physical memory is being used. And I have a 75GB hard drive with only about 16GB used (I'm on a network of course so all of my files are stored elsewhere), so there's no need to pout about using 2GB for a paging file. You might already know this, but if you want to monitor the performance of your memory and paging file, right click on the task bar and go to Task Manager and click on the Performance tab. -- D-LO From captain.sisko at deep.space.nine Sun Jul 24 03:18:11 2005 From: captain.sisko at deep.space.nine (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Sun Jul 24 02:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Programming Motorola V180 Message-ID: Have a Motorola V180 and need to add a number in speed dial that includes a pause (to wait for connect) and then dial star (*) and four digits. On my old Nokia, I could enter a "p" character that paused -- the V180 doesn't seem to have that function and the documentation is less than descriptive. Any ideas on how to accomplish this simple task on unfamiliar equipment? Thanks! -- J Lo Lingerie *plus* 50% off Thongs www.cafepress.com/dwacon From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jul 24 05:27:40 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jul 24 07:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Programming Motorola V180 References: Message-ID: Dwayne Conyers wrote: > Have a Motorola V180 and need to add a number in speed dial that > includes a > pause (to wait for connect) and then dial star (*) and four digits. > > On my old Nokia, I could enter a "p" character that paused -- the V180 > doesn't seem to have that function and the documentation is less than > descriptive. > > Any ideas on how to accomplish this simple task on unfamiliar > equipment? I think you have to create 2 phonebook entries http://motorola.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/motorola.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4055 To dial a dialing sequence stored as multiple phonebook entries: 1 Dial the first phonebook entry. Perform any pause or wait tasks, if necessary, to complete the dialing sequence. Your phone returns to the home screen. 2 Press Menu, and select Phonebook to reopen the phonebook. 3 Highlight the second phonebook entry, then press Menu, and select Send Tones to send the next portion of the dialing sequence. 4 Repeat steps 2 and 3 as necessary to send the entire dialing sequence. Seems dumb. Needs a 'p' function. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Jul 24 11:55:00 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Jul 24 13:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Programming Motorola V180 References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I think you have to create 2 phonebook entries I see a better answer in alt.cellular.motorola. > Seems dumb. Needs a 'p' function. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From captain.sisko at deep.space.nine Mon Jul 25 02:14:09 2005 From: captain.sisko at deep.space.nine (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Mon Jul 25 01:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Programming Motorola V180 Message-ID: Mike Easter [mailto:MikeE@ster.invalid] wroted: > Seems dumb. Needs a 'p' function. I've been spoiled by Nokia. Thanks for the help! ---- Who cares how they spell it? Just as long as they do it! www.cafepress.com/dwacon From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 01:55:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Mon Jul 25 04:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Sound Card audio over IP? Message-ID: A friend from work just got himself a set of electronic drums, and the idea occurred to me that it would neat to see if we could connect my setup (keyboards) and his via a DSL connection so we could jam together even though we live 30-some miles apart. I realize that connection latency could probably doom this project before it even gets out of the starting blocks (my ISP seems to run about 10-20 ms per hop, so it might work if we're on the same ISP and could do it with just one or two hops). A Google search (surprisingly) only yielded one program that might do the job, and it's designed for professional use (and ain't exactly cheap): http://www.audiotx.com. Anyone know of anything else out there that might work? I'd think this one would be a no-brainer... An easier answer would probably be to send MIDI files over IP, but that's a project for another day. :-) -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Jul 25 11:58:32 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Jul 25 05:00:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Programming Motorola V180 References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 01:14:09 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I've been spoiled by Nokia. Hehe - I won't buy anything else now. I'm on my 4th Nokia handset in about 10 years - not because the others broke down (well, one did) but because I just needed something with more up-to-date features such as GPRS, and more battery life. -- Steve I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 14:17:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 25 13:20:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: Right now, on my XP machine with 2GB RAM, I have a 2GB > paging file but only about 500MB is being used, while about 50% of my > physical memory is being used. Just checked my work machine (XP w/40 GB HD, 1 GB RAM) and XP was pigging out on a 4 GB page file! That's 10% and ridiculous IMO. Pagefile usage is only 600 MB right now, I have tons of apps open. I reset it to 1.5 GB (strange, system/advanced said 2 GB was minimum allowed for all drives but the "suggested" size was 1.5 GB, that's Mickeysoft for ya). And I have a 75GB hard drive with only > about 16GB used (I'm on a network of course so all of my files are > stored elsewhere), so there's no need to pout about using 2GB for a > paging file. When you only have a 20 GB drive like I have at home pouting is indeed allowed for losing 10% of your drive space! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 14:58:08 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Jul 25 14:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] MSN email users please help Message-ID: For a non-techy friend.... MSN has problems with her home dialup that keeps disconnecting her. She needs to get her email from the web interface, I'm assuming there is one because they say so in their sales pitch. She logs in, gets a "mymsn.com" page with her name on it, but no link to email. Surely there is one, can anyone tell me how the MSN web interface works? TIA... From igsmith at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 20:40:20 2005 From: igsmith at spamcop.net (Ian Smith) Date: Mon Jul 25 14:45:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > > Plus.net has one of the most lame AUP's imaginable. I'm sure that your comments are valuable, but speaking as a user of F9 (PlusNet) I get low costs, excellent service, excellent support, excellent facilities etc etc. I'd recommend that you make specific complaints to PlusNet - my experience is that they do listen. regards Ian From rcarlton at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 12:49:09 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Jul 25 14:45:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GregR wrote: > An easier answer would probably be to send MIDI files over IP, but > that's a project for another day. :-) Dunno if this is exactly what you are looking for - but it's worth a shot... "NINJAM is a program to allow people to make real music together via the Internet. Every participant can hear every other participant. Each user can also tweak their personal mix to his or her liking. NINJAM is cross-platform, with clients available for Mac OS X and Windows." http://www.ninjam.com/ Open Source and all that. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Jul 25 16:47:10 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Jul 25 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dc36qh$28t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > D-LO wrote: > Right now, on my XP machine with 2GB RAM, I have a 2GB > > paging file but only about 500MB is being used, while about 50% of my > > physical memory is being used. > > Just checked my work machine (XP w/40 GB HD, 1 GB RAM) and XP was pigging > out on a 4 GB page file! That's 10% and ridiculous IMO. Pagefile usage is > only 600 MB right now, I have tons of apps open. I reset it to 1.5 GB > (strange, system/advanced said 2 GB was minimum allowed for all drives but > the "suggested" size was 1.5 GB, that's Mickeysoft for ya). > How much RAM does that puppy have? I agree, a 4GB swap file seems ridiculous, unless you routinely open really, REALLY big files. It might be of some use then, I suppose. > And I have a 75GB hard drive with only > > about 16GB used (I'm on a network of course so all of my files are > > stored elsewhere), so there's no need to pout about using 2GB for a > > paging file. > > When you only have a 20 GB drive like I have at home pouting is indeed > allowed for losing 10% of your drive space! > > LOL - I can see that lower lip sticking out from here! ;-O -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 17:34:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 25 16:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > > > > How much RAM does that puppy have? I agree, a 4GB swap file seems > ridiculous, unless you routinely open really, REALLY big files. It > might be of some use then, I suppose. What part of "Just checked my work machine (XP w/40 GB HD, 1 GB RAM)" was unclear to you? ;-) I routinely open PowerPoint files up to 80-100 MB in size (too many damn photos), Excel files up to 20 MB (too much damn data). > > > > When you only have a 20 GB drive like I have at home pouting is > > indeed allowed for losing 10% of your drive space! > > > > > > LOL - I can see that lower lip sticking out from here! ;-O Well, I did buy that 180 GB external drive, so I don't pout as much anymore ;-) From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Jul 25 17:54:30 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dc3ico$bm0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > D-LO wrote: > > > > > > What part of "Just checked my work machine (XP w/40 GB HD, 1 GB RAM)" was > unclear to you? ;-) > Ooops...must've been scanning really quick with my eyes crossed or somethin'. > I routinely open PowerPoint files up to 80-100 MB in size (too many damn > photos), Excel files up to 20 MB (too much damn data). > Still - not anywhere near anything calling for that much paging.. > > > > > > When you only have a 20 GB drive like I have at home pouting is > > > indeed allowed for losing 10% of your drive space! > > > > > > > > > > LOL - I can see that lower lip sticking out from here! ;-O > > Well, I did buy that 180 GB external drive, so I don't pout as much anymore > ;-) > > Oh, Oh, LLPOF!!! 20GB my ass! -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 18:06:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dc3ico$bm0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > D-LO wrote: > > > > > > > > > What part of "Just checked my work machine (XP w/40 GB HD, 1 GB > > RAM)" was unclear to you? ;-) > > > > Ooops...must've been scanning really quick with my eyes crossed or > somethin'. Better be careful, they'll get stuck like that! > > > I routinely open PowerPoint files up to 80-100 MB in size (too many > > damn photos), Excel files up to 20 MB (too much damn data). > > > > Still - not anywhere near anything calling for that much paging.. Didn't think so. It was just the stupid M$ default pagefile size. > > > > Well, I did buy that 180 GB external drive, so I don't pout as much > > anymore ;-) > > > > > > Oh, Oh, LLPOF!!! 20GB my ass! LLPOF? Scuse me? And what's this bit about your ass being 20GB's? LOL. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Jul 26 00:26:51 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: UK broadband recommendations References: Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:40:20 +0100, Ian Smith coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I'd recommend that you make specific complaints to PlusNet - my > experience is that they do listen. Several of us in NANAE did complain. plus.net replied saying that morphing was *NOT* against their AUP and that we'd have to change the charter of NANAE to prohibit morphing for them to take action. plus.net wound up in several killfiles on that froup as a result of that. -- Steve Support bacteria! It's the only culture some people have. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Jul 25 18:25:21 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:30:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dc3k8v$d38$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:dc3ico$bm0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > > Oh, Oh, LLPOF!!! 20GB my ass! > > LLPOF? Scuse me? And what's this bit about your ass being 20GB's? LOL. > > LOL - I'm trying to cut down, but I guess that gigadiet just isn't working ;-D -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 18:52:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New RAM standard for me. References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > > > > What, are we in kindergarten now? ;-) LOL - I'm trying to cut down, but I guess > that gigadiet just isn't working ;-D Try the megavitamins instead...... From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Mon Jul 25 16:17:30 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Mon Jul 25 18:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MSN email users please help References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > For a non-techy friend.... MSN has problems with her home dialup that keeps > disconnecting her. She needs to get her email from the web interface, I'm assuming > there is one because they say so in their sales pitch. She logs in, gets a > "mymsn.com" page with her name on it, but no link to email. Surely there is one, can > anyone tell me how the MSN web interface works? TIA... Instead of mymsn.com try going to msn.com. It has a link to Hotmail, which is the webmail systen used by MSN. -- John Richards From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Jul 25 17:23:56 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Jul 25 19:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MSN email users please help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42E5748C.8060801@spamcop.net> Spamvireslayer wrote: > For a non-techy friend.... MSN has problems with her home dialup that keeps > disconnecting her. She needs to get her email from the web interface, I'm assuming > there is one because they say so in their sales pitch. She logs in, gets a > "mymsn.com" page with her name on it, but no link to email. Surely there is one, can > anyone tell me how the MSN web interface works? TIA... go to hotmail.com and put in the *full* MSN email address and password... (I just got an MSN account as part of my Qwest DSL and it was WAY cheaper to get it with "MSN Premium" (sic) than standalone - go figure... so had to figure out how to do this...) aside - if you think there web interface is a PITA, try POPing it off! (see recent small thread in .geeks - fortunately someone at Spamcop had already thought of the 'work around'...) From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Tue Jul 26 06:26:21 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Tue Jul 26 01:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? References: Message-ID: On 25 Jul 2005 GregR entered spamcop.geeks and left news:dc25uk$eps$1@news.spamcop.net: > A Google search (surprisingly) only yielded one program that might do > the job, and it's designed for professional use (and ain't exactly > cheap): http://www.audiotx.com. Anyone know of anything else out there > that might work? I'd think this one would be a no-brainer... > The two problems are latency and compression/decompression. The compression shouldn't be a problem with a fast computer, you can just hook up a mixer to the soundcard input, then you can use any program (chat/video) that accepts audio. The latency problem, well, you might be able to get used to that, just remember who's leading: the drums. You might be able to find some video/chat/VOIP? program that finds the shortest route, or it may add even more latency (possibly MS NetMeeting will work?), a direct peer-to-peer connection would be best. > An easier answer would probably be to send MIDI files over IP, but > that's a project for another day. :-) > No, you wouldn't send MIDI files, you'd send the MIDI signals directly. That wouldn't work for analog instruments like a drum kit. I did a little search and found this interesting tidbit of info: http://titan.iwu.edu/~fmiller/SIMPLE.html , see the section "Synchronous solutions using MIDI" and sections below that. MIDI is still quite popular, so I'm sure this has been done. -- | Ric | From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Tue Jul 26 06:44:17 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Tue Jul 26 01:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? References: Message-ID: Rick's post looks like it might work OK for audio, however it looks like you have to train yourself to play ahead the beat, hmm... Well something for MIDI might work, this one called MIDI Replicator Driver http://www.musiclab.com/company/press/2001/12/27/10.20 -- | Ric | From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Jul 26 12:54:15 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Jul 26 12:00:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Wireless networking issues Message-ID: I'm having some wireless networking problems, and would really appreciate some help from any experts that might be lurking here. This is definitely a wireless problem, not a general networking problem, and it's a bit complicated. This network is spread out over a rural campus that is somewhat wooded with small buildings spread around (it's a YMCA camp, actually). There are three locations where we have workstations. Here's the setup: NOTE: Both firewalls are Netgear Prosafe FR114P's; all access points are Netgear WG102's; the wireless switch is a Netgear WGPS606. Listed in order of connections from Internet up to final wireless access point at the staff lodge: HOUSE: Cable modem, wired to firewall/router; one workstation (wired) and one laptop (wireless); wireless access point; external antenna ------->STABLE: Wireless access point; external antenna ------->HIKE: Wireless access point; external antenna ------->OFFICE: Firewall/router (wired network behind this firewall is the camp office, which is segregated by this router from the rest of the network); wireless access point; external antenna ------->LODGE: Wireless switch; 2 workstations. The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its connection to the others for no apparent reason. Things were good for about a month or so, but now it seems to be happening every few days. When this happens, the only thing that seems to fix it is to reboot that access point, and sometimes we have to reboot the other access points between that one and the end point at the Lodge. Also, if the Internet connection drops off at the modem for some reason, then in addition to rebooting the modem, we seem to have to reboot every single firewall and access point between the House and the Lodge. This wouldn't be a problem if we had a tech person on-site, but we don't - we have to drive 1/2 hour each way every time this happens. The camp office staff is very non-technical and don't seem to want to take any responsibility in this, as usual. It can take a good half hour to an hour to reboot and retest everything, since it's spread out over about 1/4-1/2 mile zigzagging around the campus. If anyone has ANY suggestions or ideas, even just on how to troubleshoot this more effectively to figure out what is causing the AP's to drop their connection, I'd really appreciate it. -- D-LO From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 26 10:47:00 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 26 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various > points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its > connection to the others for no apparent reason. I've heard of that happening to people within a very small home - between rooms, say 30 feet. > When this happens, the only thing that seems to fix it is to reboot > that access point, and sometimes we have to reboot the other access > points between that one and the end point at the Lodge. Yep. I hear that sometimes a network troubleshooter has to take the whole network down all the way back to the first router. and bring it all back up in an orderly 'install-ish' fashion. > Also, if the > Internet connection drops off at the modem for some reason, then in > addition to rebooting the modem, we seem to have to reboot every > single firewall and access point between the House and the Lodge. That's what I hear, on a much smaller scale than yours. Since I became aware of one person's problem, I've seen/heard a lot more instances described hither and thither in newsgroups. I'll be lurking here to learn anything I can. My friend wasn't able to do the troubleshooting herself, and didn't want to keep calling her wireless networking guru every time it went down, so she bailed on her wirelessness and went back to wired. Even got the Staples store to take back the wireless router. In her case it just changed the wireless notebook from portable around the house to fixed in the computer room. In your case, it would seem that you kinda have to fix the problem some how. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Jul 26 14:20:26 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Jul 26 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dc5pdu$p8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: > > The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various > > points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its > > connection to the others for no apparent reason. > > > I'll be lurking here to learn anything I can. My friend wasn't able to > do the troubleshooting herself, and didn't want to keep calling her > wireless networking guru every time it went down, so she bailed on her > wirelessness and went back to wired. Even got the Staples store to take > back the wireless router. In her case it just changed the wireless > notebook from portable around the house to fixed in the computer room. > In your case, it would seem that you kinda have to fix the problem some > how. > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > > Yeah, short of stringing cable through the trees, I'm sorta stuck ;-) -- D-LO From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Jul 26 12:08:41 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Tue Jul 26 14:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: >>>The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various >>>points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its >>>connection to the others for no apparent reason. OK, well - you said "ANY" :-) Who's assigning DHCP IP addresses on this network - and are there reservations for _all_ of the hardware by MAC addy or does it have fixed IP numbering? If there's a power cycle for some portion of the network - is the primary DHCP server affected? What would be the IP impact if STABLE or HIKE were to go down, for example? Are all pieces of equipment running in "G-only" mode vs B/G? Strangely enough, some hardware seems to be much more stable running in native G mode vs B/G compatible. I have noticed that with both Netgear and Apple equipment - which use the same chipsets inside. If nothing else, "G-only" would get you the distance advantages of G. Have you disabled the 108Mbps Turbo mode on all of your Netgear equipment? Lastly, how recent is your firmware on all of this equipment? FR114P's latest is 1.5R13 (Feb 11, 2005) - http://kbserver.netgear.com/support_details.asp?dnldID=916 WGPS606 seems to be at 1020 (May 5, 2005)- http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d102696.asp WG102 is at 3.07 (July 6, 2005) - http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d102722.asp From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Jul 26 15:49:10 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Jul 26 14:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dc5ttt$t22$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: > >>>The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various > >>>points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its > >>>connection to the others for no apparent reason. > > OK, well - you said "ANY" :-) > > Who's assigning DHCP IP addresses on this network - and are there > reservations for _all_ of the hardware by MAC addy or does it have fixed > IP numbering? > The first firewall (House) is acting as a DHCP server for the network behind it. All of the AP's, however, have static IP addresses. Access control is set by MAC address; right now we aren't using any other form of security on the wireless segment (in case you were wondering). > If there's a power cycle for some portion of the network - is the > primary DHCP server affected? What would be the IP impact if STABLE or > HIKE were to go down, for example? > Both Stable and Hike have to be up in order for anything at the Office or Lodge end to connect to the Internet. Not only are they set up in a point-to-point configuration, but in addition there are physical obstacles that prevent communication except from one point to the next from the House to Stable to Hike to Office - which is why there are so many access points even with fairly strong external antennas. > Are all pieces of equipment running in "G-only" mode vs B/G? Strangely > enough, some hardware seems to be much more stable running in native G > mode vs B/G compatible. I have noticed that with both Netgear and Apple > equipment - which use the same chipsets inside. If nothing else, > "G-only" would get you the distance advantages of G. > I believe they are all set to "G" mode only, but that's something to check. > Have you disabled the 108Mbps Turbo mode on all of your Netgear equipment? > Don't know - again something I can check. > Lastly, how recent is your firmware on all of this equipment? > > FR114P's latest is 1.5R13 (Feb 11, 2005) - > http://kbserver.netgear.com/support_details.asp?dnldID=916 > > WGPS606 seems to be at 1020 (May 5, 2005)- > http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d102696.asp > > WG102 is at 3.07 (July 6, 2005) - > http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d102722.asp Firmware was all updated when the equipment was installed in May-June. So all of them are up-to-date except for the July 6 release. AFAIK, no one has gone back and updated any of the AP's with a July firmware release. -- D-LO From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Jul 26 13:52:02 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Tue Jul 26 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I keep wondering if a computer or networked printer might be grabbing the IP of one of the APs, but your email suggests that this can't be. But - whatever's happening might be documented. Do the logs on the different pieces of equipment give a clue as to what might be happening? I know the FW114Ps have local logging, not sure about the others. Looking at the physical path of ROUTER/FIREWALL-->HOUSE-->STABLE-->HIKE-->OFFICE-->LODGE Which access point(s) are going down? Is there an "order" of failure? How are their power bricks attached to their outlets? If power strips are involved - what other loads are on the strips or circuits? Does this problem only occur when campers are on-premise? Are campers allowed to bring their own computers? Almost makes you want to get some Pringles cans and build your own broadcast infrastructure. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Jul 26 17:03:38 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dc6411$1eg$1@news.spamcop.net... > I keep wondering if a computer or networked printer might be grabbing > the IP of one of the APs, but your email suggests that this can't be. > > But - whatever's happening might be documented. Do the logs on the > different pieces of equipment give a clue as to what might be happening? > I know the FW114Ps have local logging, not sure about the others. > I can't find any logging happening on the AP's. I have basic logging enable on the FW114Ps, but I think I will expand that - have to look at what can be logged to see if it will be helpful. > Looking at the physical path of > ROUTER/FIREWALL-->HOUSE-->STABLE-->HIKE-->OFFICE-->LODGE > > Which access point(s) are going down? Is there an "order" of failure? Unfortunately not as far as we can tell. It usually seems to be either the Stable or Hike AP, sometimes just the Stable, not often just the Hike; IOW, if the Stable goes out, the Hike one might also go out, but I haven't seen the situation where the Stable is up but the Hike is not. Sometimes the Office AP goes out as well, and I have seen the situation where it's just the Office AP. > > How are their power bricks attached to their outlets? If power strips > are involved - what other loads are on the strips or circuits? > Power strip w/surge suppression (good quality ones, not the $10 kind). Nothing else connected to the same power strip. As far as circuits go, it's hard to tell. For example, nothing seems to be connected at the Stable normally, but it IS actually a stable, and there may be equipment sometimes used there that could be hooked up temporarily to the same circuit. > Does this problem only occur when campers are on-premise? Are campers > allowed to bring their own computers? > Hmmm - not sure if it's always while campers are on-campus or not. But they are not allowed to hook up their own computers at present, since we have access controlled by MAC address. > Almost makes you want to get some Pringles cans and build your own > broadcast infrastructure. LOL - we were just talking about that this afternoon. My second-in-command suggested tin cans; my response - no way, Pringles cans are MUCH better!!! ;-) -- D-LO From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jul 26 14:18:55 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:20:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:dc5pdu$p8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>D-LO wrote: >> >>>The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various >>>points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its >>>connection to the others for no apparent reason. >> >> >>I'll be lurking here to learn anything I can. My friend wasn't able > > to > >>do the troubleshooting herself, and didn't want to keep calling her >>wireless networking guru every time it went down, so she bailed on her >>wirelessness and went back to wired. Even got the Staples store to > > take > >>back the wireless router. In her case it just changed the wireless >>notebook from portable around the house to fixed in the computer room. >>In your case, it would seem that you kinda have to fix the problem > > some > >>how. >> >> >>-- >>Mike Easter >>kibitzer, not SC admin >> >> > > > Yeah, short of stringing cable through the trees, I'm sorta stuck ;-) > > -- > D-LO > Go underground. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jul 26 14:22:30 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Rick Carlton" wrote in message > news:dc6411$1eg$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>I keep wondering if a computer or networked printer might be grabbing >>the IP of one of the APs, but your email suggests that this can't be. >> >>But - whatever's happening might be documented. Do the logs on the >>different pieces of equipment give a clue as to what might be > > happening? > >> I know the FW114Ps have local logging, not sure about the others. >> > > > I can't find any logging happening on the AP's. I have basic logging > enable on the FW114Ps, but I think I will expand that - have to look at > what can be logged to see if it will be helpful. > > >>Looking at the physical path of >>ROUTER/FIREWALL-->HOUSE-->STABLE-->HIKE-->OFFICE-->LODGE >> >>Which access point(s) are going down? Is there an "order" of failure? > > > Unfortunately not as far as we can tell. It usually seems to be either > the Stable or Hike AP, sometimes just the Stable, not often just the > Hike; IOW, if the Stable goes out, the Hike one might also go out, but I > haven't seen the situation where the Stable is up but the Hike is not. > Sometimes the Office AP goes out as well, and I have seen the situation > where it's just the Office AP. > > >>How are their power bricks attached to their outlets? If power strips >>are involved - what other loads are on the strips or circuits? >> > > > Power strip w/surge suppression (good quality ones, not the $10 kind). > Nothing else connected to the same power strip. As far as circuits go, > it's hard to tell. For example, nothing seems to be connected at the > Stable normally, but it IS actually a stable, and there may be equipment > sometimes used there that could be hooked up temporarily to the same > circuit. > > >>Does this problem only occur when campers are on-premise? Are > > campers > >>allowed to bring their own computers? >> > > > Hmmm - not sure if it's always while campers are on-campus or not. But > they are not allowed to hook up their own computers at present, since we > have access controlled by MAC address. > > >>Almost makes you want to get some Pringles cans and build your own >>broadcast infrastructure. > > > LOL - we were just talking about that this afternoon. My > second-in-command suggested tin cans; my response - no way, Pringles > cans are MUCH better!!! ;-) > > -- > D-LO > I don't know how much of a budget you have...but would it be possible to replace the stable / hike APs and see if they encounter the same problem? That would certainly allow you to narrow down where the problem lies. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Jul 26 14:33:05 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:35:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > I can't find any logging happening on the AP's. I have basic logging > enable on the FW114Ps, but I think I will expand that - have to look > at what can be logged to see if it will be helpful. I just *LUV* WallWatcher and it can do the NetGear FR114P as well as many others http://www.sonic.net/wallwatcher/#Routers WALLWATCHER SUPPORTS THESE ROUTERS (and similar routers from the same manufacturers): -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org Tue Jul 26 21:37:32 2005 From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:40:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: On 26 Jul 2005 Mike Easter entered spamcop.geeks and left news:dc5pdu$p8l$1@news.spamcop.net: > I've heard of that happening to people within a very small home - > between rooms, say 30 feet. > In my experience, in one case it was interference, changing the Airport to a difference channel fixed it. In other case an AP was unable to penetrate a wall, moving the AP to line of site fixed that. -- | Ric | From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 26 22:18:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jul 26 21:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MSN email users please help References: Message-ID: "John Richards" wrote in message news:dc3ods$h27$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Instead of mymsn.com try going to msn.com. It has a link to Hotmail, which > is the webmail systen used by MSN. > Thank you , and you too Skiwi, she's finally got them to fix her password, they changed it without telling her, so now she's had it, going with a new ISP....and sending Bill Gates the bill for the tech support she had to hire to fix all the settings they messed up.... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 26 22:42:36 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 26 21:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | I'm having some wireless networking problems, and would really | appreciate some help from any experts that might be lurking here. This | is definitely a wireless problem, not a general networking problem, and | it's a bit complicated. This network is spread out over a rural campus | that is somewhat wooded with small buildings spread around (it's a YMCA | camp, actually). There are three locations where we have workstations. | Here's the setup: | | NOTE: Both firewalls are Netgear Prosafe FR114P's; all access points | are Netgear WG102's; the wireless switch is a Netgear WGPS606. Listed | in order of connections from Internet up to final wireless access point | at the staff lodge: | | HOUSE: Cable modem, wired to firewall/router; one workstation (wired) | and one laptop (wireless); wireless access point; external | antenna ------->STABLE: Wireless access point; external | antenna ------->HIKE: Wireless access point; external | antenna ------->OFFICE: Firewall/router (wired network behind this | firewall is the camp office, which is segregated by this router from the | rest of the network); wireless access point; external | antenna ------->LODGE: Wireless switch; 2 workstations. | | The problem we're having is with intermittent drop-offs at various | points. Sometimes one of the access points just seems to lose its | connection to the others for no apparent reason. Things were good for | about a month or so, but now it seems to be happening every few days. | When this happens, the only thing that seems to fix it is to reboot that | access point, and sometimes we have to reboot the other access points | between that one and the end point at the Lodge. Also, if the Internet | connection drops off at the modem for some reason, then in addition to | rebooting the modem, we seem to have to reboot every single firewall and | access point between the House and the Lodge. This wouldn't be a | problem if we had a tech person on-site, but we don't - we have to drive | 1/2 hour each way every time this happens. The camp office staff is | very non-technical and don't seem to want to take any responsibility in | this, as usual. It can take a good half hour to an hour to reboot and | retest everything, since it's spread out over about 1/4-1/2 mile | zigzagging around the campus. | | If anyone has ANY suggestions or ideas, even just on how to troubleshoot | this more effectively to figure out what is causing the AP's to drop | their connection, I'd really appreciate it. Without knowing the layout of the system my first though would be loss of RF path.(AKA link budget) Off hand did every thing turn green at the on set of the problem? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 26 22:45:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 26 21:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" < | > LOL - we were just talking about that this afternoon. My | > second-in-command suggested tin cans; my response - no way, Pringles | > cans are MUCH better!!! ;-) | > | > -- | > D-LO | > | | I don't know how much of a budget you have...but would it be possible to | replace the stable / hike APs and see if they encounter the same problem? | That would certainly allow you to narrow down where the problem lies. Alternatively swap a known working link for a known flaky link. Only draw back is you may end up with two flakey links (BTDT) From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Wed Jul 27 16:29:59 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Wed Jul 27 15:35:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dc65ri$2qm$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: >> "Mike Easter" wrote in message >> news:dc5pdu$p8l$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>back the wireless router. In her case it just changed the wireless >>>notebook from portable around the house to fixed in the computer >>>room. >>>In your case, it would seem that you kinda have to fix the problem >> >> some >> >>>how. >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Mike Easter >>>kibitzer, not SC admin >>> >>> >> >> >> Yeah, short of stringing cable through the trees, I'm sorta stuck ;-) >> >> -- >> D-LO >> > > Go underground. :) My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help dig the ditch? ;-( -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Wed Jul 27 16:35:40 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Wed Jul 27 15:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dc6orb$dro$2@news.spamcop.net... > "D-LO" > > Without knowing the layout of the system my first though would be loss > of RF > path.(AKA link budget) Off hand did every thing turn green at the on > set of > the problem? > > Lemme see...I left my pocket protector at home today...what exactly (say it like you're talking to a non-engineer), does "loss of RF path" mean? I don't know if everything turned green because no one was present at the site of the problem when the problem occurred. 3 out of 5 of the AP's - Stable, Hike, and Office - are at locations where there is no physical body around most of the time, so it's really difficult to pinpoint what might have been happening there at the time of the failure. Also, our client is being quite lackadaisical in their followup. For example, this week I got a call Monday morning, and the person said, to paraphrase, "Geez, I don't know what's going on, but we haven't been able to get on the Internet since some time on Saturday." -- D-LO From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 27 13:43:45 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 27 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dc65ri$2qm$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> D-LO wrote: >> >>> "Mike Easter" wrote in message >>> news:dc5pdu$p8l$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>> back the wireless router. In her case it just changed the wireless >>>> notebook from portable around the house to fixed in the computer room. >>>> In your case, it would seem that you kinda have to fix the problem >>> >>> >>> some >>> >>>> how. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mike Easter >>>> kibitzer, not SC admin >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, short of stringing cable through the trees, I'm sorta stuck ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> D-LO >>> >> >> Go underground. :) > > > My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help dig > the ditch? ;-( > We can just hire the resident newsgroup troll. He's good at that sort of thing. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 17:19:22 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" wrote in message news:dc8nu6$jm3$1@news.spamcop.net... | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:dc6orb$dro$2@news.spamcop.net... | > "D-LO" | > | > Without knowing the layout of the system my first though would be loss | > of RF path.(AKA link budget) Off hand did every thing turn green at the on | > set of the problem? | > | > | | Lemme see...I left my pocket protector at home today...what exactly (say | it like you're talking to a non-engineer), does "loss of RF path" mean? | I don't know if everything turned green because no one was present at | the site of the problem when the problem occurred. 3 out of 5 of the | AP's - Stable, Hike, and Office - are at locations where there is no | physical body around most of the time, so it's really difficult to | pinpoint what might have been happening there at the time of the | failure. Also, our client is being quite lackadaisical in their | follow-up. For example, this week I got a call Monday morning, and the | person said, to paraphrase, "Geez, I don't know what's going on, but we | haven't been able to get on the Internet since some time on Saturday." RF link path is the direct path that the radio frequency signal takes between the hardware. I've seen otherwise perfect RF links go bad when someone filled the swimming pool. Same applies to parking a golf cart in front of the 19th hole. as to green ... you know trees, bushes, shrubs depending on the makeup the loss cause by changes in seasons can be significant 20 to 40 db. (half power is 3 db) From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 17:22:11 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:30:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help dig | > the ditch? ;-( | > | | We can just hire the resident newsgroup troll. He's good at that sort of thing. Where did she say she needed experience in digging up sh|t? Single mode fiber can be had for $0.01 per foot. Outside fiber cable is a bit more expensive on the order of $0.30 per foot. (hint since it's glass it can be run through the drains without problems) From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Wed Jul 27 17:42:40 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:50:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dc8qoh$n20$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D-LO" wrote in message > news:dc8nu6$jm3$1@news.spamcop.net... > | "Frog Prince" wrote in message > | news:dc6orb$dro$2@news.spamcop.net... > | > "D-LO" > | > > | > Without knowing the layout of the system my first though would be > loss > | > of RF path.(AKA link budget) Off hand did every thing turn green > at the > on > | > set of the problem? > | > > | > > | > | Lemme see...I left my pocket protector at home today...what exactly > (say > | it like you're talking to a non-engineer), does "loss of RF path" > mean? > | I don't know if everything turned green because no one was present > at > | the site of the problem when the problem occurred. 3 out of 5 of > the > | AP's - Stable, Hike, and Office - are at locations where there is no > | physical body around most of the time, so it's really difficult to > | pinpoint what might have been happening there at the time of the > | failure. Also, our client is being quite lackadaisical in their > | follow-up. For example, this week I got a call Monday morning, and > the > | person said, to paraphrase, "Geez, I don't know what's going on, but > we > | haven't been able to get on the Internet since some time on > Saturday." > > RF link path is the direct path that the radio frequency signal takes > between the hardware. I've seen otherwise perfect RF links go bad > when > someone filled the swimming pool. Same applies to parking a golf cart > in > front of the 19th hole. > Well, this could be the case. Maybe someone's parking their horse on the lawn, I dunno. Come to think of it, I think there actually are golf carts that they use to transport people around. Problem is, when it occurs, it may last for days until someone gets there to reboot everything. This is what puzzles me most - why don't the g-d things reconnect themselves when whatever is causing the interference goes away? > as to green ... you know trees, bushes, shrubs depending on the makeup > the > loss cause by changes in seasons can be significant 20 to 40 db. (half > power > is 3 db) > > > Oh - duh! THAT kinda green. No, I don't think it's that - we had some problems when we first set it up in late May-June with trees leafing out and causing loss of signal, but we moved antennae and added an access point and got it stabilized for about a month. Now all of a sudden they're cropping up again. -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Wed Jul 27 17:46:57 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Wed Jul 27 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dc8qoh$n20$2@news.spamcop.net... > "Borgholio" > > | > My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help > dig > | > the ditch? ;-( > | > > | > | We can just hire the resident newsgroup troll. He's good at that > sort of > thing. > > Where did she say she needed experience in digging up sh|t? > LOL - I may be good at stirring the sh*t, but as far as digging it up...I'll leave that to you guys. > Single mode fiber can be had for $0.01 per foot. Outside fiber cable > is a > bit more expensive on the order of $0.30 per foot. (hint since it's > glass it > can be run through the drains without problems) > > And what makes you think I'm getting anywhere near any drains to run cable? Actually, this whole project started with the incentive being to not have to pay Comcast a few thousand dollars or so to run the cable from the road all the way up to the camp office...I wonder, d'ya think they've already spent that much on this project when you add up the equipment cost plus all of our services troubleshooting these problems?? -- D-LO From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 27 15:13:09 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:15:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:dc8qoh$n20$2@news.spamcop.net... > >> "Borgholio" >> >> | > My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help dig >> | > the ditch? ;-( >> | > >> | >> | We can just hire the resident newsgroup troll. He's good at that >> sort of >> thing. >> >> Where did she say she needed experience in digging up sh|t? >> > > LOL - I may be good at stirring the sh*t, but as far as digging it > up...I'll leave that to you guys. > >> Single mode fiber can be had for $0.01 per foot. Outside fiber cable >> is a >> bit more expensive on the order of $0.30 per foot. (hint since it's >> glass it >> can be run through the drains without problems) >> >> > > And what makes you think I'm getting anywhere near any drains to run > cable? Actually, this whole project started with the incentive being to > not have to pay Comcast a few thousand dollars or so to run the cable > from the road all the way up to the camp office...I wonder, d'ya think > they've already spent that much on this project when you add up the > equipment cost plus all of our services troubleshooting these problems?? > Do you really need net access along the entire length between the road and the office? Or just the office? If you only need net access in the office, you might want to do away with access points and set up two directional antennas. While line of sight is certainly an issue, having someone with a cherry-picker or a big ladder strapping an antenna onto a tree and point it towards the office won't be all that expensive. A nice 5db or 10db antenna would give you several miles of range in an open area, and it'd probably do the trick even in an area with trees. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Wed Jul 27 18:16:07 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dc8tcu$opr$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: >> >> And what makes you think I'm getting anywhere near any drains to run >> cable? Actually, this whole project started with the incentive being >> to not have to pay Comcast a few thousand dollars or so to run the >> cable from the road all the way up to the camp office...I wonder, >> d'ya think they've already spent that much on this project when you >> add up the equipment cost plus all of our services troubleshooting >> these problems?? >> > > Do you really need net access along the entire length between the road > and the office? Or just the office? If you only need net access in > the office, you might want to do away with access points and set up > two directional antennas. While line of sight is certainly an issue, > having someone with a cherry-picker or a big ladder strapping an > antenna onto a tree and point it towards the office won't be all that > expensive. A nice 5db or 10db antenna would give you several miles of > range in an open area, and it'd probably do the trick even in an area > with trees. Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is line-of-sight rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular and partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner hill-wise from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of thing, but I know that originally we had planned to have only two APs with antennas - one at the house and one at the office - but we couldn't get that to work because of line-of-sight issues. The antennae at the house and office end are both on the roofs, but it still wouldn't work with just those two. -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 18:21:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > > > > Go underground. :) > > My guesstimate on the distance: @2,000 feet. You wanna come help dig > the ditch? ;-( That's why they rent out machines called Ditch Devils........prolly only take you a couple hours, provided you don't keep hitting tree roots.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 18:23:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:25:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Single mode fiber can be had for $0.01 per foot. Outside fiber cable > is a bit more expensive on the order of $0.30 per foot. (hint since > it's glass it can be run through the drains without problems) Why not just use co-ax? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Jul 27 15:24:23 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:25:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dc8tcu$opr$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> D-LO wrote: >> >>> >>> And what makes you think I'm getting anywhere near any drains to run >>> cable? Actually, this whole project started with the incentive being >>> to not have to pay Comcast a few thousand dollars or so to run the >>> cable from the road all the way up to the camp office...I wonder, >>> d'ya think they've already spent that much on this project when you >>> add up the equipment cost plus all of our services troubleshooting >>> these problems?? >>> >> >> Do you really need net access along the entire length between the road >> and the office? Or just the office? If you only need net access in >> the office, you might want to do away with access points and set up >> two directional antennas. While line of sight is certainly an issue, >> having someone with a cherry-picker or a big ladder strapping an >> antenna onto a tree and point it towards the office won't be all that >> expensive. A nice 5db or 10db antenna would give you several miles of >> range in an open area, and it'd probably do the trick even in an area >> with trees. > > > Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is line-of-sight > rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular and > partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner hill-wise > from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of thing, but I > know that originally we had planned to have only two APs with antennas - > one at the house and one at the office - but we couldn't get that to > work because of line-of-sight issues. The antennae at the house and > office end are both on the roofs, but it still wouldn't work with just > those two. > Well the idea then would be to find the largest hill between the two areas and put a relay up on that hill. You'd only need 3 access points instead of the 4 or 5 you have now. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 18:45:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jul 27 17:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | >> And what makes you think I'm getting anywhere near any drains to run | >> cable? Actually, this whole project started with the incentive being | >> to not have to pay Comcast a few thousand dollars or so to run the | >> cable from the road all the way up to the camp office...I wonder, | >> d'ya think they've already spent that much on this project when you | >> add up the equipment cost plus all of our services troubleshooting | >> these problems?? | >> | > | > Do you really need net access along the entire length between the road | > and the office? Or just the office? If you only need net access in | > the office, you might want to do away with access points and set up | > two directional antennas. While line of sight is certainly an issue, | > having someone with a cherry-picker or a big ladder strapping an | > antenna onto a tree and point it towards the office won't be all that | > expensive. A nice 5db or 10db antenna would give you several miles of | > range in an open area, and it'd probably do the trick even in an area | > with trees. | | Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is line-of-sight | rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular and | partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner hill-wise | from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of thing, but I | know that originally we had planned to have only two APs with antennas - | one at the house and one at the office - but we couldn't get that to | work because of line-of-sight issues. The antennae at the house and | office end are both on the roofs, but it still wouldn't work with just | those two. | What's the cable length from AP to the antenna. Second what is the model/type of the RF cable and who is it made by? From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Wed Jul 27 18:13:11 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Wed Jul 27 20:15:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > Oh - duh! THAT kinda green. No, I don't think it's that - we had some > problems when we first set it up in late May-June with trees leafing out > and causing loss of signal, but we moved antennae and added an access > point and got it stabilized for about a month. Now all of a sudden > they're cropping up again. Maybe some tree branches grew a lot since June? -- John Richards From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 27 18:37:05 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 27 20:40:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: John Richards wrote: > D-LO wrote: >> Oh - duh! THAT kinda green. No, I don't think it's that - we had >> some problems when we first set it up in late May-June with trees >> leafing out and causing loss of signal, but we moved antennae and >> added an access point and got it stabilized for about a month. Now >> all of a sudden they're cropping up again. > > Maybe some tree branches grew a lot since June? The 'science' of 'going thru' trees' with various types of wireless connectivity is very very interesting. A friend of mine was telling me about what the tiny little town of Adel GA did municipally to provide wireless broadband [of two different types, ie 'pipe sizes'] to its citizenry. So it caused me to find out what was going on in Adel. The big pipe didn't go thru' trees as well as the somewhat smaller pipe did. Very interesting. I found myself reading all over the place about the technology. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From rcarlton at spamcop.net Wed Jul 27 19:38:08 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Jul 27 21:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Very interesting. I found myself reading all over the place about the > technology. I'm guessing that certain types of trees - based on their chemical makeup - could also be a factor? As in - rubber tree - absorb the waves? Any anecdotal high points come to mind? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 27 20:37:48 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 27 22:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Very interesting. I found myself reading all over the place about >> the technology. > Any anecdotal high points come to mind? // The new system utilizes both non-line-of-sight (NLOS) and line-of-sight (LOS) wireless technology solutions, creating a Hybrid-Fiber-Wireless (HFW) city-owned network. // Further," continued Overley, "the non-line-of-sight feature is an essential component since many areas have tree coverage that cannot be penetrated with conventional line-of-sight wireless technologies." // http://camvera.com/Media/20031103.pdf Last week the site at http://www.southlink.us was completely different with instructions to the citizenry of Adel about the tree situation and how to position their window antennas and the LOS vs the NLOS bandwidths. But this week all of those technologicial explanations are gone. The site has been completely redesigned. I'll have to get it from somewhere else. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jul 27 20:40:52 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jul 27 22:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Last week the site at http://www.southlink.us was completely different > with instructions to the citizenry of Adel about the tree situation > and how to position their window antennas and the LOS vs the NLOS > bandwidths. But this week all of those technologicial explanations > are gone. The site has been completely redesigned. I'll have to get > it from somewhere else. I found the same page again, different config http://www.southlink.us/faqs.php - the section on reception and antenna placement is very useful. I had googled on terms + trees, but somehow the 'talked through trees' part slipped by google. Maybe google doesn't care what is going on in Adel GA, pop over 5000. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Jul 28 14:20:34 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Thu Jul 28 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dc8u20$pab$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:dc8tcu$opr$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is line-of-sight >> rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular >> and partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner >> hill-wise from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of >> thing, but I know that originally we had planned to have only two APs >> with antennas - one at the house and one at the office - but we >> couldn't get that to work because of line-of-sight issues. The >> antennae at the house and office end are both on the roofs, but it >> still wouldn't work with just those two. >> > > Well the idea then would be to find the largest hill between the two > areas and put a relay up on that hill. You'd only need 3 access > points instead of the 4 or 5 you have now. Well, I guess that would work if there were no trees on top of that "highest hill between the two areas." Unfortunately there are....lots of big, tall trees with lots of pretty green leaves ;-) -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Jul 28 15:48:37 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Thu Jul 28 14:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dc8vb2$qab$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D-LO" > | Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is > line-of-sight > | rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular > and > | partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner > hill-wise > | from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of thing, > but I > | know that originally we had planned to have only two APs with > antennas - > | one at the house and one at the office - but we couldn't get that to > | work because of line-of-sight issues. The antennae at the house and > | office end are both on the roofs, but it still wouldn't work with > just > | those two. > | > > What's the cable length from AP to the antenna. Second what is the > model/type of the RF cable and who is it made by? > > We used all Netgear stuff - here are the spec's of everything (some of this info I gave before, but just for clarity): House and Office: Firewall/routers - NETGEAR FR114P Cable/DSL ProSafe Firewall/Print Server All locations: Access Points - NETGEAR WG102 ProSafe Wireless access point - 802.11b, 802.11g All locations: Standard Antenna Cables (part of the antenna): 2 meter cable: Transmission Loss of 2.2 dB max. @ 2.4 - 2.5 GHz All locations: Lightning Suppressor units on antennas: Insertion Loss of 1.2 dB max House, Stable and Hike: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA (F) - 1.5m. (4.9 ft) Netgear Part number: ACC10314-01 with a max Transmission loss 1.4 dB Office: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA (F) - 5m (16.4 ft) Netgear Part number: ACC10314-03 with a max Transmission loss of 3.7 dB -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 16:11:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Last week the site at http://www.southlink.us was completely different > with instructions to the citizenry of Adel about the tree situation > and how to position their window antennas and the LOS vs the NLOS > bandwidths. But this week all of those technologicial explanations > are gone. The site has been completely redesigned. I'll have to get > it from somewhere else. Try the wayback machine? From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 28 13:21:20 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> instructions to the citizenry of Adel about the tree >> situation and how to position their window antennas and the LOS vs >> the NLOS bandwidths. > Try the wayback machine? I found it. http://www.southlink.us/faqs.php However, the technology they are discussing isn't the tech we are discussing here. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Jul 28 13:24:56 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > However, the technology they are discussing isn't the tech we are > discussing here. The wireless protion of the system actually consists of two differerent radio systems. The first, designed primarily for residential and small businesses, is a "non-line of sight" (NLOS) system with maximum speeds of 2.0 Mbps. This system can "talk through trees" similar to cell phone service for limited distances. The second, designed for dedicated service requirements mainly associated with commercial businesses, is a "line of sight" (LOS) system with maximum speeds of 10 Mbps. To further enhance the delivery of its services, the City of Adel installed a 190 foot tower at the park on East Second Street. The addition of this tower will provide up to three miles of coverage for NLOS customers and up to eight miles for LOS customers. Note, however, that many factors impact signal delivery. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Thu Jul 28 16:25:28 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dcbbe7$6m2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike Easter wrote: > >> However, the technology they are discussing isn't the tech we are >> discussing here. > > > The wireless protion of the system actually consists of two > differerent > radio systems. The first, designed primarily for residential and small > businesses, is a "non-line of sight" (NLOS) system with maximum speeds > of 2.0 Mbps. This system can "talk through trees" similar to cell > phone > service for limited distances. The second, designed for dedicated > service requirements mainly associated with commercial businesses, is > a > "line of sight" (LOS) system with maximum speeds of 10 Mbps. > > To further enhance the delivery of its services, the City of Adel > installed a 190 foot tower at the park on East Second Street. The > addition of this tower will provide up to three miles of coverage for > NLOS customers and up to eight miles for LOS customers. Note, however, > that many factors impact signal delivery. > > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > "I talk through the trees, but they don't listen to me." < w/apologies to Lerner & Lowe ;-) > -- D-LO From rcarlton at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 13:58:50 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > We used all Netgear stuff - here are the spec's of everything (some of > this info I gave before, but just for clarity): > > House and Office: Firewall/routers - NETGEAR FR114P Cable/DSL ProSafe > Firewall/Print Server > All locations: Access Points - NETGEAR WG102 ProSafe Wireless access > point - 802.11b, 802.11g > All locations: Standard Antenna Cables (part of the antenna): 2 meter > cable: Transmission Loss of 2.2 dB max. @ 2.4 - 2.5 GHz > All locations: Lightning Suppressor units on antennas: Insertion Loss > of 1.2 dB max > > House, Stable and Hike: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA > (F) - 1.5m. (4.9 ft) Netgear Part number: ACC10314-01 with a max > Transmission loss 1.4 dB > > Office: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA (F) - 5m (16.4 ft) > Netgear Part number: ACC10314-03 with a max Transmission loss of 3.7 dB Coupla things... Have you been able to enable and check the logs on the FR114Ps? Also - could you have someone place post-it notes or something on the displays of all of the PCs? Specifically, this would allow them to notate whenever they can't get 'Net access and give you more solid data. Then, we can compare those times with log entries on the equipment and see what might be in common. For some reason it still "feels" powerish - but your post yesterday makes evrything look pretty solid - unless there's a tool that gets used occasionally that would drain amps and trigger a power cycle on the strip and networking equipment - some sort of pump perhaps? On a whole different tangent - how about microwave oven interference. Could microwave use in the house/office temporarily disturb a signal for 45 secs or so, then go away, thus affecting the connected downline? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 17:12:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 28 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > On a whole different tangent - how about microwave oven interference. > Could microwave use in the house/office temporarily disturb a signal > for 45 secs or so, then go away, thus affecting the connected > downline? If that were possible most bachelors would be sterile ;-) Now take a TIG welder, *that* is a huge source of RF noise..... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 17:48:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jul 28 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | > | Well, we're using 9db antennas already. The problem is | > line-of-sight rather than distance, I think. The terrain is sloping and irregular | > and partially wooded, and the house is sort of around-the-corner | > hill-wise from the office. I'm by no means an expert on this sort of thing, | > but I know that originally we had planned to have only two APs with | > antennas - one at the house and one at the office - but we couldn't get that to | > | work because of line-of-sight issues. The antennae at the house and | > | office end are both on the roofs, but it still wouldn't work with | > just those two. | > | | > | > What's the cable length from AP to the antenna. Second what is the | > model/type of the RF cable and who is it made by? | > | > | | We used all Netgear stuff - here are the spec's of everything (some of | this info I gave before, but just for clarity): | | House and Office: Firewall/routers - NETGEAR FR114P Cable/DSL ProSafe | Firewall/Print Server | All locations: Access Points - NETGEAR WG102 ProSafe Wireless access | point - 802.11b, 802.11g | All locations: Standard Antenna Cables (part of the antenna): 2 meter | cable: Transmission Loss of 2.2 dB max. @ 2.4 - 2.5 GHz | All locations: Lightning Suppressor units on antennas: Insertion Loss | of 1.2 dB max | | House, Stable and Hike: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA | (F) - 1.5m. (4.9 ft) Netgear Part number: ACC10314-01 with a max | Transmission loss 1.4 dB | | Office: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA (F) - 5m (16.4 ft) | Netgear Part number: ACC10314-03 with a max Transmission loss of 3.7 dB I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that gives contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of the site so I can see if I can find a quad map. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 15:12:54 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Thu Jul 28 17:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > If that were possible most bachelors would be sterile ;-) Now take a TIG > welder, *that* is a huge source of RF noise..... I was thinking more along the lines of food service microwaves... which are pretty robust. But you get my point. The idea is to be looking for a piece of equipment that gets turned on sporadically, and when on disturbs the wireless signal. Sump pump, microwave, personal thermonuclear weapon, whatever. :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 18:38:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jul 28 17:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > indigo wrote: > > If that were possible most bachelors would be sterile ;-) Now take > > a TIG welder, *that* is a huge source of RF noise..... > > I was thinking more along the lines of food service microwaves... > which are pretty robust. > > But you get my point. The idea is to be looking for a piece of > equipment that gets turned on sporadically, and when on disturbs the > wireless signal. > > Sump pump, microwave, personal thermonuclear weapon, whatever. :-) But you're describing line conducted emissions, not radiative sources. Wouldn't only radiative interference (EMI) cause problems with a wireless system? From rcarlton at spamcop.net Thu Jul 28 16:12:51 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Thu Jul 28 18:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > But you're describing line conducted emissions, not radiative sources. > Wouldn't only radiative interference (EMI) cause problems with a wireless > system? My bad.... I've been mixing questions about the two possibilities. This is what I mean re: microwave http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3116531 From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 29 09:29:00 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Fri Jul 29 09:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26.07.2005 10:54, D-LO wrote: --- Original Message --- > I'm having some wireless networking problems, and would really > appreciate some help from any experts that might be lurking here. This > is definitely a wireless problem, not a general networking problem, and > it's a bit complicated. This network is spread out over a rural campus > that is somewhat wooded with small buildings spread around (it's a YMCA > camp, actually). There are three locations where we have workstations. Check your DHCP IP's for an intruder. "Little fellas" just LOVE to hack into "wireless" networks and cause whatever mayhem available. Also could be harmonics causing RFI. Do you have any other electronic equimpent in the vicinity that could be the transmitting culprit? Surveillance equipment is a known causitive interferrence agent. From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 29 09:37:24 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Fri Jul 29 09:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SpamCop's Black List Message-ID: Run my own mail server and I use, among others, BL.SPAMCOP.NET in my Sendmail configuration and it works quite well, sometimes too well. But that's not the fault of SC. My sister uses Cox and "sometimes" the Cox SMTP IP is being rejected by SC but not always, just seems to be ONE IP that is being rejected. Her IP is fixed btw. My question is, is there ANY way to white-list either her email address or Cox's SMTP address that is being rejected so that bl.spamcop.net allows her mail to pass regardless of the Cox IP being used? I've already been through this with Cox and their support HAS to be the worst on the planet. First, you have to endure a half-dozen canned, pre-formatted replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue. Finally they say that it's NOT their fault but I've read somewhere that it has to do with some sort of "dynamic" mumbo jumbo IP schema or whatever, not to UP on that subject but "learning". Her address is white-listed in SpamAssassin but that has no effect on the BL rejection of course. Cheers From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 11:37:50 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Cutting Down on Trolls? Message-ID: Anything we can do apart from ignore them and wait for them to graduate from kindergarten? From glnews030922 at highspot.net Fri Jul 29 16:48:28 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop's Black List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > Run my own mail server and I use, among others, BL.SPAMCOP.NET in my > Sendmail configuration and it works quite well, sometimes too well. But > that's not the fault of SC. > > My sister uses Cox and "sometimes" the Cox SMTP IP is being rejected by > SC but not always, just seems to be ONE IP that is being rejected. Her > IP is fixed btw. > > My question is, is there ANY way to white-list either her email address > or Cox's SMTP address that is being rejected so that bl.spamcop.net > allows her mail to pass regardless of the Cox IP being used? I've > already been through this with Cox and their support HAS to be the worst > on the planet. First, you have to endure a half-dozen canned, > pre-formatted replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue. > Finally they say that it's NOT their fault but I've read somewhere that > it has to do with some sort of "dynamic" mumbo jumbo IP schema or > whatever, not to UP on that subject but "learning". > > Her address is white-listed in SpamAssassin but that has no effect on > the BL rejection of course. I'm assuming you have the access database functionality turned on. Edit the file called "access" in your Sendmail configuration directory. This is usually /etc/mail. To whitelist a sender, add: From:user@example.invalid OK To whitelist a server, add: Connect:mailserver.example.invalid OK Rebuild the access db file. A couple of ways to do this. Typing "make" when you're in the Sendmail config directory may work. You'll get an error if it doesn't work and nothing if it's ok. Otherwise type "makemap hash /etc/mail/access.db < /etc/mail/access". You shouldn't need to restart Sendmail for it to work. -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 29 09:20:07 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 29 11:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > Anything we can do apart from ignore them and wait for them to > graduate from kindergarten? If you are talking about the trolls who sometimes post to the spamcop newsgroup who post from variable open proxies and forge regular users' handles in the From, it is trickier than handling some other kinds of trolls you may encounter under other conditions. Your newsagent is OE, which has almost zero muscle in this regard. Either you 'learn' how to do it mentally, or you acquire a serious proxy filter such as NewsProxy/Nfilter and develop an nfilter.dat file. I usually do it mentally, but adjust my nfilter.dat file when necessary. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 12:36:38 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 29 11:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dcdhf7$dai$1@news.spamcop.net... > Neil wrote: > > Anything we can do apart from ignore them and wait for them to > > graduate from kindergarten? > > If you are talking about the trolls who sometimes post to the spamcop > newsgroup who post from variable open proxies and forge regular users' > handles in the From, it is trickier than handling some other kinds of > trolls you may encounter under other conditions. > > Your newsagent is OE, which has almost zero muscle in this regard. > > Either you 'learn' how to do it mentally, or you acquire a serious proxy > filter such as NewsProxy/Nfilter and develop an nfilter.dat file. > > I usually do it mentally, but adjust my nfilter.dat file when necessary. > I was thinking more about a process for reporting the trolls to SC or the open proxy owner, that has a low effort overhead? Why don't SC require authentication for posting to the newsgroups using one's SC username/password? Wouldn't that go some way to discouraging the trolls as they'd need to keep re-registering each time their account was disabled? Right now the troll annoyance doesn't outweigh the effort needed to switch newsagents, but I'll keep your suggestion in mind should that change. Ta! From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 29 10:30:23 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 29 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Either you 'learn' how to do it mentally, or you acquire a serious >> proxy filter such as NewsProxy/Nfilter and develop an nfilter.dat >> file. >> >> I usually do it mentally, but adjust my nfilter.dat file when >> necessary. >> > > I was thinking more about a process for reporting the trolls to SC or > the open proxy owner, that has a low effort overhead? No way Jose. The open proxy availability is unlimited. The troll can change by the minute if so desired. The reporting of open proxies to the provider goes on routinely billions of times per month by the SC reporting system, if that is a hint. > Why don't SC require authentication for posting to the newsgroups > using one's SC username/password? Because the ng/s are an open access public private newsserver. You don't have to be a SC reporter to start talking in the ng/s. > Wouldn't that go some way to > discouraging the trolls as they'd need to keep re-registering each > time their account was disabled? If I were JT, I wouldn't want to have to deal with your idea. I think you the reader should manage the SC public private newsserver the same way you would manage reading in a usenet group -- if you don't want to see something, you are the one responsible for configuring yourself so that it isn't in your 'vision'. Not someone else 'taking care of it' for you. > Right now the troll annoyance doesn't outweigh the effort needed to > switch newsagents, but I'll keep your suggestion in mind should that > change. My suggestion wasn't switching newsagents. Nfilter/NewsProxy is a proxy. You put the proxy between your OE and the newsserver and it takes care of all kinds of things that you ask it to. It is very powerful, reg expressions, scoring, you name it. http://www.nfilter.org/ "Nfilter is a supplemental filtering program to your existing newsreader. It is designed to run transparently alongside any client for Windows such as Outlook Express, Agent, Netscape, etc. " -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 29 10:43:33 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 29 12:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Neil wrote: >> Why don't SC require authentication for posting to the newsgroups >> using one's SC username/password? > > Because the ng/s are an open access public private newsserver. You > don't have to be a SC reporter to start talking in the ng/s. However, that configuration came about before there was a forum for the 'public'. One could 'argue' that the newsgroups don't absolutely need to be open to the public instead of just the registered SC reporters -- but personally I think it is better to keep any kind of newsgroup management problems off JT's shoulders. He has plenty of other things to do with the forum. We the newsgroup readers are accustomed to dealing with problems, so configuring oneself to do so is part of the life of being a newsgroup participant. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 14:13:14 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 29 13:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dcdliv$frd$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If I were JT, I wouldn't want to have to deal with your idea. I think > you the reader should manage the SC public private newsserver the same > way you would manage reading in a usenet group -- if you don't want to > see something, you are the one responsible for configuring yourself so > that it isn't in your 'vision'. Not someone else 'taking care of it' > for you. > The SC groups do seem to do a good job at policing themselves in so far as not feeding the trolls, and in following conventions such as bottom-posting, and snipping. I suppose this is down to the relative level of sophistication on the part of SC members, compared with your 'average' usenet groups. > > Right now the troll annoyance doesn't outweigh the effort needed to > > switch newsagents, but I'll keep your suggestion in mind should that > > change. > > My suggestion wasn't switching newsagents. Nfilter/NewsProxy is a > proxy. You put the proxy between your OE and the newsserver and it > takes care of all kinds of things that you ask it to. It is very > powerful, reg expressions, scoring, you name it. > http://www.nfilter.org/ "Nfilter is a supplemental filtering program to > your existing newsreader. It is designed to run transparently alongside > any client for Windows such as Outlook Express, Agent, Netscape, etc. " > Thanks for the correction and extra info. Your original post commented on the lack of muscle with OE, and you then went on to reference Nfilter which I assumed was also a newsagent. I'm far from an expert in this area, so appreciate your help. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 29 14:56:05 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dcbgbe$9r9$1@news.spamcop.net... > "D-LO" > | We used all Netgear stuff - here are the spec's of everything (some > of > | this info I gave before, but just for clarity): > | > | House and Office: Firewall/routers - NETGEAR FR114P Cable/DSL > ProSafe > | Firewall/Print Server > | All locations: Access Points - NETGEAR WG102 ProSafe Wireless > access > | point - 802.11b, 802.11g > | All locations: Standard Antenna Cables (part of the antenna): 2 > meter > | cable: Transmission Loss of 2.2 dB max. @ 2.4 - 2.5 GHz > | All locations: Lightning Suppressor units on antennas: Insertion > Loss > | of 1.2 dB max > | > | House, Stable and Hike: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - > R-SMA > | (F) - 1.5m. (4.9 ft) Netgear Part number: ACC10314-01 with a max > | Transmission loss 1.4 dB > | > | Office: Additional Antenna cable - R-SMA (F) - R-SMA (F) - 5m (16.4 > ft) > | Netgear Part number: ACC10314-03 with a max Transmission loss of 3.7 > dB > > I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is > available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that > gives > contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of the site > so I > can see if I can find a quad map. > > I'm not sure how much detail you can get on Google Maps, but you will find it if you search for Camp Sloane in Lakeville, CT. You'll get two locations, I'm not sure why, but the "A" location is the one we're working at. -- D-LO From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 14:05:44 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Cutting Down on Trolls? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dcdmbk$g8n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > One could 'argue' that the newsgroups don't absolutely need to be open > to the public instead of just the registered SC reporters -- but > personally I think it is better to keep any kind of newsgroup management > problems off JT's shoulders. He has plenty of other things to do with > the forum. Actually, he's got other things to keep him occupied ... in general, he spends as much time in the Forum as he does in the newsgroups ... and no, I have no idea how much time that actually is, but .... He did recently have some dialog with the WebTV folks and you'll note that this particular spew point went away. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 29 15:07:06 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:15:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dcbd4s$7og$1@news.spamcop.net... > Coupla things... > > Have you been able to enable and check the logs on the FR114Ps? > I have enabled more detailed logging, but it doesn't seem to be very helpful. It's pretty basic - I can see packets forwarded and dropped with from and to IP addys, but that's about all it seems to show. BTW - interesting development is that one of my techs found a PC being used in the staff lodge that was loaded with spyware. We turned it off and told them they couldn't use it anymore. The network hasn't gone down since we did that. Coincidence??? Who knows..... > Also - could you have someone place post-it notes or something on the > displays of all of the PCs? Specifically, this would allow them to > notate whenever they can't get 'Net access and give you more solid > data. > > Then, we can compare those times with log entries on the equipment and > see what might be in common. > > For some reason it still "feels" powerish - but your post yesterday > makes evrything look pretty solid - unless there's a tool that gets > used occasionally that would drain amps and trigger a power cycle on > the strip and networking equipment - some sort of pump perhaps? > > On a whole different tangent - how about microwave oven interference. > Could microwave use in the house/office temporarily disturb a signal > for 45 secs or so, then go away, thus affecting the connected > downline? It might be a question to ask if/when the connection goes down again. -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 29 15:15:15 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:dcdau6$963$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 26.07.2005 10:54, D-LO wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > >> I'm having some wireless networking problems, and would really >> appreciate some help from any experts that might be lurking here. >> This >> is definitely a wireless problem, not a general networking problem, >> and >> it's a bit complicated. This network is spread out over a rural >> campus >> that is somewhat wooded with small buildings spread around (it's a >> YMCA >> camp, actually). There are three locations where we have >> workstations. > > Check your DHCP IP's for an intruder. "Little fellas" just LOVE to > hack > into "wireless" networks and cause whatever mayhem available. > Unless they could discover one of the authorized MAC addresses and spoof it, I don't see how they could hack in...of course, not that that's an impossibility at all. > Also could be harmonics causing RFI. Do you have any other electronic > equimpent in the vicinity that could be the transmitting culprit? > Surveillance equipment is a known causitive interferrence agent. > We sure don't - and I can't imagine that the camp counselors have surveillance equipment set up to protect the outbuildings - there just isn't anything there to survey. -- D-LO From rcarlton at spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 13:46:13 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Jul 29 15:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EA8785.5090803@spamcop.net> D-LO wrote: > I have enabled more detailed logging, but it doesn't seem to be very > helpful. It's pretty basic - I can see packets forwarded and dropped > with from and to IP addys, but that's about all it seems to show. But those logs also should show power cycling on the equipment, in case it turns out to be an electrical issue. > BTW - interesting development is that one of my techs found a PC being > used in the staff lodge that was loaded with spyware. We turned it off > and told them they couldn't use it anymore. The network hasn't gone > down since we did that. Coincidence??? Who knows..... Good find! And true, you never do know. But I've seen infested machines become broadcast relay stations and clogging smaller DSL/cable pipes. Sure hope the client appreciates all of the work you're putting into their issue. From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Fri Jul 29 16:44:27 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Fri Jul 29 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: <42EA8785.5090803@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:42EA8785.5090803@spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: >> I have enabled more detailed logging, but it doesn't seem to be very >> helpful. It's pretty basic - I can see packets forwarded and dropped >> with from and to IP addys, but that's about all it seems to show. > > But those logs also should show power cycling on the equipment, in > case it turns out to be an electrical issue. > True - haven't seen any evidence of that. >> BTW - interesting development is that one of my techs found a PC >> being used in the staff lodge that was loaded with spyware. We >> turned it off and told them they couldn't use it anymore. The >> network hasn't gone down since we did that. Coincidence??? Who >> knows..... > > Good find! And true, you never do know. > > But I've seen infested machines become broadcast relay stations and > clogging smaller DSL/cable pipes. > > Sure hope the client appreciates all of the work you're putting into > their issue. Let's hope they appreciate it at least enough to pay the bill... ;-) Actually, we've given them a lot of free support time, since this was somewhat of an experiment for both of us. We've certainly learned a lot about wireless, good and bad, over the past couple of months. We'd done a few projects prior to this, but nothing nearly as spread out or challenging terrain- and environment-wise. -- D-LO From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 17:40:48 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 29 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | > I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is | > available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that | > gives contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of the site | > so I can see if I can find a quad map. | > | > | | I'm not sure how much detail you can get on Google Maps, but you will | find it if you search for Camp Sloane in Lakeville, CT. You'll get two | locations, I'm not sure why, but the "A" location is the one we're | working at. Not even close to good enough but I'll try finding a better land layout that I can work from. From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 29 17:55:44 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Fri Jul 29 17:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop's Black List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29.07.2005 09:48, Graeme Leith wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> Run my own mail server and I use, among others, BL.SPAMCOP.NET in my >> Sendmail configuration and it works quite well, sometimes too well. But >> that's not the fault of SC. >> >> My sister uses Cox and "sometimes" the Cox SMTP IP is being rejected by >> SC but not always, just seems to be ONE IP that is being rejected. Her >> IP is fixed btw. >> >> My question is, is there ANY way to white-list either her email address >> or Cox's SMTP address that is being rejected so that bl.spamcop.net >> allows her mail to pass regardless of the Cox IP being used? I've >> already been through this with Cox and their support HAS to be the worst >> on the planet. First, you have to endure a half-dozen canned, >> pre-formatted replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue. >> Finally they say that it's NOT their fault but I've read somewhere that >> it has to do with some sort of "dynamic" mumbo jumbo IP schema or >> whatever, not to UP on that subject but "learning". >> >> Her address is white-listed in SpamAssassin but that has no effect on >> the BL rejection of course. > > I'm assuming you have the access database functionality turned on. > > Edit the file called "access" in your Sendmail configuration directory. > This is usually /etc/mail. > > To whitelist a sender, add: > From:user@example.invalid OK > > > To whitelist a server, add: > Connect:mailserver.example.invalid OK > > > Rebuild the access db file. A couple of ways to do this. Typing "make" > when you're in the Sendmail config directory may work. You'll get an > error if it doesn't work and nothing if it's ok. Otherwise type "makemap > hash /etc/mail/access.db < /etc/mail/access". > > You shouldn't need to restart Sendmail for it to work. > That's the first thing I tried, doesn't work. The problem with that is that Cox uses a dynamic addressing scheme for their SMTP. Thanks From user at domain.invalid Fri Jul 29 18:08:54 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Fri Jul 29 18:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop's Black List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29.07.2005 09:48, Graeme Leith wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> Run my own mail server and I use, among others, BL.SPAMCOP.NET in my >> Sendmail configuration and it works quite well, sometimes too well. But >> that's not the fault of SC. >> >> My sister uses Cox and "sometimes" the Cox SMTP IP is being rejected by >> SC but not always, just seems to be ONE IP that is being rejected. Her >> IP is fixed btw. >> >> My question is, is there ANY way to white-list either her email address >> or Cox's SMTP address that is being rejected so that bl.spamcop.net >> allows her mail to pass regardless of the Cox IP being used? I've >> already been through this with Cox and their support HAS to be the worst >> on the planet. First, you have to endure a half-dozen canned, >> pre-formatted replies that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue. >> Finally they say that it's NOT their fault but I've read somewhere that >> it has to do with some sort of "dynamic" mumbo jumbo IP schema or >> whatever, not to UP on that subject but "learning". >> >> Her address is white-listed in SpamAssassin but that has no effect on >> the BL rejection of course. > > I'm assuming you have the access database functionality turned on. > > Edit the file called "access" in your Sendmail configuration directory. > This is usually /etc/mail. > > To whitelist a sender, add: > From:user@example.invalid OK > > > To whitelist a server, add: > Connect:mailserver.example.invalid OK > > > Rebuild the access db file. A couple of ways to do this. Typing "make" > when you're in the Sendmail config directory may work. You'll get an > error if it doesn't work and nothing if it's ok. Otherwise type "makemap > hash /etc/mail/access.db < /etc/mail/access". > > You shouldn't need to restart Sendmail for it to work. > Ok, more experimentation and found the solution. Leave the "From:" and "Connect:" off and that works, just add the addresses with no prefixing. BTW: Been running with the access db for a number of years now, thanks for the reply. From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri Jul 29 20:23:28 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Fri Jul 29 22:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... Message-ID: ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien along the way? :-) From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 29 20:43:46 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 29 22:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien > along the way? :-) How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar system, huh? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jul 29 21:05:59 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jul 29 23:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar > system, huh? Not about this old news: 90377 Sedna 90482 Orcus 50000 Quaoar 20000 Varuna. ... about these new news: 2003 UB313 2003 EL61 + moon 2005 FY9 -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From SCNews~5~myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Fri Jul 29 23:06:13 2005 From: SCNews~5~myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Sat Jul 30 01:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "D-LO" > > | > I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is > | > available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that > | > gives contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of the > site > | > so I can see if I can find a quad map. > | > > | > > | > | I'm not sure how much detail you can get on Google Maps, but you will > | find it if you search for Camp Sloane in Lakeville, CT. You'll get two > | locations, I'm not sure why, but the "A" location is the one we're > | working at. > > Not even close to good enough but I'll try finding a better land layout that > I can work from. > > See if this helps: http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=1 -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 30 02:24:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 30 01:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Brian" wrote in message news:dcf224$a2e$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "D-LO" | > | > | > I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is | > | > available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that | > | > gives contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of the | > site | > | > so I can see if I can find a quad map. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | I'm not sure how much detail you can get on Google Maps, but you will | > | find it if you search for Camp Sloane in Lakeville, CT. You'll get two | > | locations, I'm not sure why, but the "A" location is the one we're | > | working at. | > | > Not even close to good enough but I'll try finding a better land layout that | > I can work from. | > | > | | See if this helps: | http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=1 | Thanks that'll likely work but I still need to know where each 'station' is located and the HAGL (height above ground level) of each antenna. From SCNews~5~myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Sat Jul 30 01:10:14 2005 From: SCNews~5~myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Sat Jul 30 03:15:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Brian" wrote in message > news:dcf224$a2e$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > "D-LO" > | > > | > | > I may be able to run a half-a**ed link budget for you if the site is > | > | > available on google maps or better yet one of the on line maps that > | > | > gives contours. If all else fails can you give me the lat/lon of > the > | > site > | > | > so I can see if I can find a quad map. > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | I'm not sure how much detail you can get on Google Maps, but you will > | > | find it if you search for Camp Sloane in Lakeville, CT. You'll get > two > | > | locations, I'm not sure why, but the "A" location is the one we're > | > | working at. > | > > | > Not even close to good enough but I'll try finding a better land layout > that > | > I can work from. > | > > | > > | > | See if this helps: > | http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=1 > | > > Thanks that'll likely work but I still need to know where each 'station' is > located and the HAGL (height above ground level) of each antenna. > D-Lo will have to fill you in with the station locations. Also, there's a tab for the aerial view that may be of some help and you can increase the size of the map in the top left corner. http://terraserver-usa.com/imageinfo.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=3 -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 30 09:27:05 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 30 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Brian" Thanks that'll likely work but I still need to know where each 'station' is | > located and the HAGL (height above ground level) of each antenna. | > | | D-Lo will have to fill you in with the station locations. Also, there's | a tab for the aerial view that may be of some help and you can increase | the size of the map in the top left corner. | | http://terraserver-usa.com/imageinfo.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=3 I checked the aerial view and there's not enough resolution to tell hills from buildings. Still playing with it non the less but from other post I'm expecting there are other factors at play. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 30 22:14:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Dave Lerner) Date: Sat Jul 30 21:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote on 07/29/2005 10:23 PM: > ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien along > the way? :-) The joke will be on you when you find one, and he's PO-ed at being found, and beams into your house and eats you. ;)