From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu Dec 1 00:02:03 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Nov 30 19:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky tip of the day - boot errors too fast to see References: <438C733C.FF31A8C4@spamcop.net> <438CF357.4A3D112A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody on 30/11/2005 wrote: >Why only five frames? What about when it takes ~30 seconds for the error >to be displayed, and the display lasts <1/15th seconds? Five frames is the norm in multi shot exposure, some cameras may have more. It's normally first five or last five. On first five you press the shutter release and five shots are fired off. On last five you press the shutter release and the camera keeps on shooting until it is pressed again and the last five shots are saved. You set it for Last Five and stop it as soon as you see the error. If you can see the error flash past then it's there for long enough to capture it as long as your reactions aren't as slow as someone half asleep. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Dec 1 06:15:34 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Dec 1 06:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: anti-spam question References: Message-ID: "Robert Blair" wrote in message news:TECQXhvKj0FX-pn2-144ydcIi0bil@dsl-206-55-144-107.tstonramp.com... > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:43:35 UTC, "Berny" > wrote: > > > > Why are 419s so hard to catch? They must really work at evading > > > filters. > > > > Because most of them are written, typed and sent manually, in onesies or > > twosies, by many individuals. They are not made by machine like most other > > spam. > > I don't know the last time a 419 was missed the bayesian filter in my > email client. Maybe hand written filters will miss some but bayesian > filters catch all of mine. You would think that even Hotmail could use a Baysian filter for 419s, but they are about all that escape Hotmail's filters. Being 'handwritten' explains why 419s are the first ones to come if an address is published on the web. Also convinces me that the spam that I get now is a direct result of a virus finding my address on someone's computer. My address was on the web in one place, but you had to take an extra step to view it. I only got 419s until after a deluge of worms. Now the address is no longer on the web and I don't get 419s, but I do get other spam. Miss Betsy From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 1 09:40:02 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Dec 1 10:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky tip of the day - boot errors too fast to see References: <438C733C.FF31A8C4@spamcop.net> <438CF357.4A3D112A@spamcop.net> <438E0AA9.3B9DB090@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <438F0B42.AD9E9AA6@spamcop.net> Steven Maesslein wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:25:13 -0500, Kenneth Brody coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in <438E0AA9.3B9DB090@spamcop.net>: > > > Well, the designers of this O/S didn't say "perhaps we should leave the > > boot error message on the screen for the user to read", and instead said > > "let's clear the screen and try booting again". > > Right. So you're using an O/S of which the designers would rather sweep > the crap under the proverbial carpet instead of showing the user what's > up when something does crop up. "Nothing to see here. Move along." > > In this case, the error was basically "the bootloader loaded the kernel, > > but then the kernel couldn't mount the root filesystem". > > 3 solutions: > > * Bad disk > * Bad cable > * Bad controller Actually, those are 3 possible causes, not "solutions". In these cases, the solution was to boot off the O/S install CD, run the "recovery console" and run "chkdsk /p" or "chkdsk /r". (Google for "Unmountable Boot Volume" - with quotes - for more info.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Dec 1 09:44:32 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Dec 1 10:10:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky tip of the day - boot errors too fast to see References: <438C733C.FF31A8C4@spamcop.net> <438CF357.4A3D112A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <438F0C50.66C58515@spamcop.net> Canopus wrote: > > Kenneth Brody on 30/11/2005 wrote: > > >Why only five frames? What about when it takes ~30 seconds for the error > >to be displayed, and the display lasts <1/15th seconds? > > Five frames is the norm in multi shot exposure, some cameras may have > more. It's normally first five or last five. On first five you press the > shutter release and five shots are fired off. On last five you press the > shutter release and the camera keeps on shooting until it is pressed again > and the last five shots are saved. You set it for Last Five and stop it > as soon as you see the error. If you can see the error flash past then > it's there for long enough to capture it as long as your reactions aren't > as slow as someone half asleep. Okay. My camera doesn't have that feature. It does have a video mode, where you press the shutter release to start, and press it again to stop. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From user at domain.invalid Thu Dec 1 21:51:34 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Dec 1 22:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Firewalls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30.11.2005 13:36, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> On 29.11.2005 19:18, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>Been using a hardware firewall for the longest time...but decided to install >>>a software firewall to play around with. I enabled the Windows XP Firewall >>>and naturally enabled logging so I can monitor it's performance. I'm >>>astounded with the number of unknown IP addresses that show up related to >>>port 80. I'm going nuts trying to figure out what is what. :) >> >> >> Or just run any software utility specifically written for your >> particular router, such as Wall Watcher for Linksys. Most of what you're >> seeing are port-scan bots. No problem with INcoming packets, it's the >> OUTgoing ones that respond to those unknown INcoming ones that bother me !! >> > > > I've run a few port-scans myself and the only things that even show up are > ports 80 and 113...and they're both blocked. Nothing even shows up on my > software firewall log. I'm sure these IP addresses are related to websites > I visit. Try downloading a torrent file without the aid of PeerGuardian or some other P2P blocker and see how many unknown IP's you get incoming .. :-( From net.spamcop.news at spinthewheel.org Fri Dec 2 09:33:11 2005 From: net.spamcop.news at spinthewheel.org (DMN) Date: Fri Dec 2 12:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] reporting system HTML error when overriding the routing... Message-ID: <43908557.8060506@spinthewheel.org> Greetings, my first post... I've noticed a problem lately with how the reporting system is creating HTML under a certain condition. I've confirmed both IE and Firefox are unhappy with the malformed HTML. Steps to repro: enter any spam into http://mailsc.spamcop.net/ once it's processed, add a bouncing email address in the "user notification" section. Once the spam is processed, the system first outputs a
tag noting that the email address you added is invalid, before the tag, which breaks rendering in the browser. For instance, paste in the following pseudo-spam: ######## Received: from unknown (218.91.1.1) by blade1.cesmail.net with QMQP; 2 Dec 2005 16:54:29 -0000 you_suck ####### deselect all addresses and add "anti-spam@ns.chinanet.cn.net" (don't worry, it will bounce). You'll see the improperly formatted HTML as raw text in your browser. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Dec 4 13:30:31 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Dec 4 08:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky tip of the day - boot errors too fast to see References: <438C733C.FF31A8C4@spamcop.net> <438CF357.4A3D112A@spamcop.net> <438F0C50.66C58515@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody on 01/12/2005 wrote: >Canopus wrote: >> >>Kenneth Brody on 30/11/2005 wrote: >> >>>Why only five frames? What about when it takes ~30 seconds for the error >>>to be displayed, and the display lasts <1/15th seconds? >> >>Five frames is the norm in multi shot exposure, some cameras may have >>more. It's normally first five or last five. On first five you press the >>shutter release and five shots are fired off. On last five you press the >>shutter release and the camera keeps on shooting until it is pressed again >>and the last five shots are saved. You set it for Last Five and stop it >>as soon as you see the error. If you can see the error flash past then >>it's there for long enough to capture it as long as your reactions aren't >>as slow as someone half asleep. > >Okay. My camera doesn't have that feature. It does have a video mode, >where you press the shutter release to start, and press it again to stop. Gosh, that seems to be the wrong way around. Multi-frame capture tends to be more basic than video mode. What camera is it? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Dec 5 16:52:47 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Dec 5 19:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Woo HOO!!!! Message-ID: I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back in the 90's. But on the other hand, I'm sad that literally nobody plays it anymore. Gamespy doesn't support Quake 1 and some of the oldest (most popular) Quake servers seem eto be long dead. Ah well...guess that's getting old for ya. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Dec 5 17:15:40 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Dec 5 20:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's > flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back in > the 90's. But on the other hand, I'm sad that literally nobody plays it > anymore. Gamespy doesn't support Quake 1 and some of the oldest (most > popular) Quake servers seem eto be long dead. Ah well...guess that's > getting old for ya. Oh...my...god...While Gamespy Arcade doesn't support Quake 1, the older Gamespy 3D does...and there are 5 populated Quake servers still online. I know what I'm doing tonight! From pete+usenet at heypete.com Mon Dec 5 19:34:40 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Dec 5 22:35:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's > flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back in the > 90's. It's one of my favorite games of all times! The gibbing is most excellent! I remember playing it with friends on 500Mhz PowerBook G3s in high school over the school LAN (ah, the joys of boarding school). That was seriously one of the best games I've ever played. Sure, newer games have better networking, better interfaces, better graphics, etc. But no modern games are as revolutionary as the original Quake I! :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Dec 5 20:25:30 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Dec 5 23:30:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's >>flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back in the >>90's. > > > It's one of my favorite games of all times! The gibbing is most > excellent! > > I remember playing it with friends on 500Mhz PowerBook G3s in high > school over the school LAN (ah, the joys of boarding school). That was > seriously one of the best games I've ever played. > > Sure, newer games have better networking, better interfaces, better > graphics, etc. But no modern games are as revolutionary as the original > Quake I! :) > Just upgraded to a new "mod" called ProQuake. Same basic game, but streamlined and re-optimized for modern systems. Been fragging for the last few hours. :) From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Tue Dec 6 02:54:03 2005 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Tue Dec 6 02:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's > flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back in the > 90's. But on the other hand, I'm sad that literally nobody plays it > anymore. Gamespy doesn't support Quake 1 and some of the oldest (most > popular) Quake servers seem eto be long dead. Ah well...guess that's > getting old for ya. How'd you get it to work? I can get it installed (INSTALL.BAT does the job, bypassing SETUP's grumping about "NT"), but I can't get it going. -JW From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Dec 5 23:59:55 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 6 03:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: J. Weaver Jr. wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's >> flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back >> in the 90's. But on the other hand, I'm sad that literally nobody >> plays it anymore. Gamespy doesn't support Quake 1 and some of the >> oldest (most popular) Quake servers seem eto be long dead. Ah >> well...guess that's getting old for ya. > > > How'd you get it to work? I can get it installed (INSTALL.BAT does the > job, bypassing SETUP's grumping about "NT"), but I can't get it going. -JW You can download one of three versions that have been ported to Windows. Once you get Quake for DOS installed, go online and look for: Winquake, GLQuake, or ProQuake. You can find them all at www.planetquake.com. I'm using ProQuake because it fixes problems that vanilla Quake has with NAT routers and firewalls. But for single player only, any one of the three works just fine. If you want to play online, you can also download Quakeworld, which greatly streamlines how Quake runs over a network / online. From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Tue Dec 6 04:42:03 2005 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Tue Dec 6 04:45:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Woo HOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > J. Weaver Jr. wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> I just got Quake 1 to work with XP! It never worked before, now it's >>> flawless! Oh I'm so excited...this was one of my favorite games back >>> in the 90's. But on the other hand, I'm sad that literally nobody >>> plays it anymore. Gamespy doesn't support Quake 1 and some of the >>> oldest (most popular) Quake servers seem eto be long dead. Ah >>> well...guess that's getting old for ya. >> >> >> How'd you get it to work? I can get it installed (INSTALL.BAT does the >> job, bypassing SETUP's grumping about "NT"), but I can't get it going. -JW > > You can download one of three versions that have been ported to Windows. > Once you get Quake for DOS installed, go online and look for: > > Winquake, GLQuake, or ProQuake. You can find them all at > www.planetquake.com. I'm using ProQuake because it fixes problems that > vanilla Quake has with NAT routers and firewalls. But for single player > only, any one of the three works just fine. If you want to play online, you > can also download Quakeworld, which greatly streamlines how Quake runs over > a network / online. WinQuake did the trick. Thanks! -JW (off to make little ones out of big ones...) From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 6 14:05:09 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 6 17:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners Message-ID: I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 6 16:53:40 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Dec 6 17:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.12.2005 16:05, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need > a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way > down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found > some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. > Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? Excellent spot, I buy from there all the time: http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2300.php From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 6 15:14:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 6 18:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 06.12.2005 16:05, Borgholio wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > >>I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need >>a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way >>down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found >>some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. >>Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? > > > Excellent spot, I buy from there all the time: > > http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2300.php Wow...that's exactly what I needed! Here's the stuff that I'm looking at: http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimh-aa-aaa-d-c-9v-battery-chargers.php Now I just need to decide between the Accumanager 20 and the Energy 8 (16) chargers. Thanks! From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 6 18:22:22 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Dec 6 19:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.12.2005 17:14, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> On 06.12.2005 16:05, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need >>>a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way >>>down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found >>>some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. >>>Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? >> >> >> Excellent spot, I buy from there all the time: >> >> http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2300.php > > > Wow...that's exactly what I needed! Here's the stuff that I'm looking at: > > http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimh-aa-aaa-d-c-9v-battery-chargers.php > > Now I just need to decide between the Accumanager 20 and the Energy 8 (16) > chargers. Thanks! I have the older model Accumanager but will be upgrading to the new one shortly, Santa is on his way :-). Main difference, as far as here is concerned, is that the new one doesn't have to do the auto-drain first. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 6 16:26:34 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Dec 6 19:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 06.12.2005 17:14, Borgholio wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > >>User wrote: >> >>>On 06.12.2005 16:05, Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> --- Original Message --- >>> >>> >>> >>>>I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need >>>>a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way >>>>down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found >>>>some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. >>>>Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? >>> >>> >>>Excellent spot, I buy from there all the time: >>> >>>http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2300.php >> >> >>Wow...that's exactly what I needed! Here's the stuff that I'm looking at: >> >>http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimh-aa-aaa-d-c-9v-battery-chargers.php >> >>Now I just need to decide between the Accumanager 20 and the Energy 8 (16) >>chargers. Thanks! > > > I have the older model Accumanager but will be upgrading to the new one > shortly, Santa is on his way :-). Main difference, as far as here is > concerned, is that the new one doesn't have to do the auto-drain first. Well the auto-drain is kinda what I'm looking for. I have some dirt-old Ni-CD batteries that are in desperate need of re-conditioning. I could simply discharge them manually and then re-charge them, but I want something a bit more streamlined. :) From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 6 22:09:58 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Dec 6 23:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.12.2005 18:26, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> On 06.12.2005 17:14, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>User wrote: >>> >>>>On 06.12.2005 16:05, Borgholio wrote: >>>> >>>> --- Original Message --- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need >>>>>a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way >>>>>down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found >>>>>some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. >>>>>Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? >>>> >>>> >>>>Excellent spot, I buy from there all the time: >>>> >>>>http://www.thomas-distributing.com/maha-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2300.php >>> >>> >>>Wow...that's exactly what I needed! Here's the stuff that I'm looking at: >>> >>>http://www.thomas-distributing.com/nimh-aa-aaa-d-c-9v-battery-chargers.php >>> >>>Now I just need to decide between the Accumanager 20 and the Energy 8 (16) >>>chargers. Thanks! >> >> >> I have the older model Accumanager but will be upgrading to the new one >> shortly, Santa is on his way :-). Main difference, as far as here is >> concerned, is that the new one doesn't have to do the auto-drain first. > > > Well the auto-drain is kinda what I'm looking for. I have some dirt-old > Ni-CD batteries that are in desperate need of re-conditioning. I could > simply discharge them manually and then re-charge them, but I want something > a bit more streamlined. :) According to the specs it doesn't need to do an auto-drain if I read it correctly. Some sorta new innovation to thwart memory imprint. I was always under the impression that the older style battery media was more prone to imprinting because of being less dense. The new stuff is more solid and hence much less prone to imprint and therefore no need to do a zero drain. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Dec 6 22:45:00 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 01:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > > > According to the specs it doesn't need to do an auto-drain if I read it > correctly. Some sorta new innovation to thwart memory imprint. I was > always under the impression that the older style battery media was more > prone to imprinting because of being less dense. The new stuff is more > solid and hence much less prone to imprint and therefore no need to do a > zero drain. > Hmm...I'll have to ask them tomorrow. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Dec 7 12:22:32 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Dec 7 06:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 Message-ID: $subject is annoying because you end up with pages that include squares showing error messages where ads would be had I not made my nameserver authoritative for a few well-known ad-dispensing domains and made them all NXDOMAIN. Previous versions of Firefox would just display blank space. Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? The included help system isn't much help, and a search on google didn't reveal anything of any use. -- Steve Male cadavers are incapable of yielding testimony. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Dec 7 12:28:00 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Dec 7 06:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 References: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:22:32 +0100, Steven Maesslein coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of > downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? Okay - I was a bit trigger-happy there. Found the answer: Set the preference "browser.xul.error_pages.enabled" to false, restart Firefox and Bob's your uncle. No more crud. -- Steve Your fault: core dumped From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 09:13:36 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dn51tv$865$7@news.spamcop.net... | I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I need | a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way | down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've found | some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. | Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner needs? What type of battery? If it's a nickel metal hyd there is no memory effect ergo no need to drain the battery. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 09:20:38 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system Message-ID: I need recommendations for a economical fire wall for a small office. They have a small WLAN with 4-8 computers and want to allow their customers to use their internet connection (DSL). they need to prevent anyone from accessing any of the company computers while allowing the company computers to network. They currently have a Norton software firewall. Suggestions? FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Dec 7 15:31:24 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system References: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 09:20:38 -0500, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > they need to prevent anyone from accessing any of the company > computers while allowing the company computers to network. Stick them behind a NAT/router. That *is* the primary purpose of one of those devices - to allow what's behind them to see the Internet while the Internet can't see them. -- Steve Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven megs for the hackers scarce, Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, Three megs for system source. One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold all the files, And in the darkness grind 'em. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Dec 7 06:49:14 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Dec 7 09:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I need recommendations for a economical fire wall for a small office. > They have a small WLAN with 4-8 computers and want to allow their > customers to use their internet connection (DSL). they need to > prevent anyone from accessing any of the company computers while > allowing the company computers to network. > > They currently have a Norton software firewall. > > Suggestions? I would argue about it -- discuss it -- in comp.security.firewalls. If you read enough there, you can find previous discussions. The argument is going to be, first that the Norton PFW is a totally inadequate way to be protecting/defending something which might need a 'real' firewall, definitely a NAT. Second, some are going to argue that if there are no servers in the company network which are facing the internet, that you can 'simply' configure the little LAN behind a 'simple' NAT device, just like the one I have for my home network. In my case, mine is a Linksys BEFSR41. Third, others are going to argue that you need more than a simple NAT device like that -- which isn't a true hardware firewall by the definitions of those who define firewalls by certification by official testing companies. Certifieds are WatchGuard, CISCO, Netscreen, Sonic, etc and they always cost more because it costs money to get and stay certified. Then, some others are going to argue about how you can use a device that is about as economical as the linksys, but configured with 'homebrewed' aftermarket firmware to make it as good as the certified firewalls. My personal opinion is that you could do it with a cheap NAT device, plus something like WallWatcher on its logs and an 'extrusion detector, but that it would be valuable to hear the arguments of those who believe that you should have more. They would say at the very least there should be stateful packet inspections. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From jg at coks.net Wed Dec 7 08:57:19 2005 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/7/2005 3:28 AM Steven Maesslein scribbled: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 12:22:32 +0100, Steven Maesslein coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in : > > >>Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of >>downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? > > > Okay - I was a bit trigger-happy there. Found the answer: > > Set the preference "browser.xul.error_pages.enabled" to false, restart > Firefox and Bob's your uncle. No more crud. > Good call Steve - the ole delete xul.mfl trick with an upgrade. Where did you pick up that info- always lokinig for good FF tips.. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Dec 7 18:23:55 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 References: Message-ID: On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:57:19 -0800, jg coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Good call Steve - the ole delete xul.mfl trick with an upgrade. > Where did you pick up that info- always lokinig for good FF tips.. By trial and error. Point the browser to "about:config" (without the quotes, of course) and you get access to all the browser's settings. You also get a bar in which you can type text to refine the search. I tried with several pertinent terms like "404", "not_found", "found" etc. and out of desperation tried "error" expecting to see 50 pages of stuff. Lo and behold, the one toggle I saw listed was the one that needed switching :o) -- Steve Recorded message on an answerphone: "This is not an answering machine, this is a telepathic thought-recording device. After the tone, think about your name, your number, and your reason for calling.... and I'll think about returning your call." From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 11:25:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dn6soo$h7n$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > I need recommendations for a economical fire wall for a small office. | > They have a small WLAN with 4-8 computers and want to allow their | > customers to use their internet connection (DSL). they need to | > prevent anyone from accessing any of the company computers while | > allowing the company computers to network. | > | > They currently have a Norton software firewall. | > | > Suggestions? | | I would argue about it -- discuss it -- in comp.security.firewalls. If | you read enough there, you can find previous discussions. | | The argument is going to be, first that the Norton PFW is a totally | inadequate way to be protecting/defending something which might need a | 'real' firewall, definitely a NAT. | | Second, some are going to argue that if there are no servers in the | company network which are facing the internet, that you can 'simply' | configure the little LAN behind a 'simple' NAT device, just like the one | I have for my home network. In my case, mine is a Linksys BEFSR41. | | Third, others are going to argue that you need more than a simple NAT | device like that -- which isn't a true hardware firewall by the | definitions of those who define firewalls by certification by official | testing companies. Certifieds are WatchGuard, CISCO, Netscreen, Sonic, | etc and they always cost more because it costs money to get and stay | certified. | | Then, some others are going to argue about how you can use a device that | is about as economical as the linksys, but configured with 'homebrewed' | aftermarket firmware to make it as good as the certified firewalls. | | My personal opinion is that you could do it with a cheap NAT device, | plus something like WallWatcher on its logs and an 'extrusion detector, | but that it would be valuable to hear the arguments of those who believe | that you should have more. They would say at the very least there | should be stateful packet inspections. | I'll find out more about what they have currently and would appreciate any recommendations on hardware. From jg at coks.net Wed Dec 7 09:39:56 2005 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 12/7/2005 9:23 AM Steven Maesslein scribbled: > On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:57:19 -0800, jg coughed into spamcop.geeks and > left this in : > > >>Good call Steve - the ole delete xul.mfl trick with an upgrade. >>Where did you pick up that info- always lokinig for good FF tips.. > > > By trial and error. > > Point the browser to "about:config" (without the quotes, of course) and > you get access to all the browser's settings. You also get a bar in > which you can type text to refine the search. I tried with several > pertinent terms like "404", "not_found", "found" etc. and out of > desperation tried "error" expecting to see 50 pages of stuff. > > Lo and behold, the one toggle I saw listed was the one that needed > switching :o) > Kinda odd ball way of getting there. I disabled xul about 2 months ago since I didn't like the size it gets to and figured its only a chche of sorts anyway. I thought you had gotten the info elsewhere - not too many folks suggest altering that setting. Picked up the tip at the FF ng but had to pull some teeth to get the suggestion... From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 09:45:44 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dn51tv$865$7@news.spamcop.net... > | I've checked my local stores and all they have are battery chargers. I > need > | a battery re-conditioner...something that will drain a battery all the way > | down before charging it, to help get rid of any memory effects. I've > found > | some conditioners online, but none at any of the major (national) outlets. > | Anybody know a good place to find all my battery charger / reconditioner > needs? > > What type of battery? If it's a nickel metal hyd there is no memory effect > ergo no need to drain the battery. > > NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do indeed have a memory effect after prolonged use. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 18:40:44 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 19:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > What type of battery? If it's a nickel metal hyd there is no memory effect | > ergo no need to drain the battery. | > | > | | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do indeed | have a memory effect after prolonged use. Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 16:17:40 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 19:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" > > | > What type of battery? If it's a nickel metal hyd there is no memory > effect > | > ergo no need to drain the battery. > | > > | > > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do indeed > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. > > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? > > Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times and see. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 19:24:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 19:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do indeed | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. | > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? | > | > | | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times | and see. We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 16:27:58 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 19:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" > > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do > indeed > | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. > | > > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? > | > > | > > | > | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times > | and see. > > We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 > cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. > > Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come close to 1000 cycles. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 20:11:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 20:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dn7um5$93f$2@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > "Borgholio" | > | > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do | > indeed | > | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. | > | > | > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times | > | and see. | > | > We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 | > cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. | > | > | | Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come close | to 1000 cycles. Don't know that many or any made it to 1000 cycles but that was one of the test parameters. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 17:15:38 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 20:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dn7um5$93f$2@news.spamcop.net... > | Frog Prince wrote: > | > "Borgholio" > | > > | > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do > | > indeed > | > | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. > | > | > > | > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few > times > | > | and see. > | > > | > We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 > | > cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory > effects. > | > > | > > | > | Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come > close > | to 1000 cycles. > > Don't know that many or any made it to 1000 cycles but that was one of the > test parameters. > > Hmm...well I'm not too concerned about the NiMH batteries anyways...it's my old NiCd cells that I want to re-condition. From baloo at ursine.ca Wed Dec 7 17:21:20 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Wed Dec 7 21:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > $subject is annoying because you end up with pages that include squares > showing error messages where ads would be had I not made my nameserver > authoritative for a few well-known ad-dispensing domains and made them > all NXDOMAIN. Previous versions of Firefox would just display blank > space. Well, probably because using your hosts file or your own name server to point ad source domains is the wrong way to block ads. > Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of > downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? http://adzapper.sf.net/ (if you don't have your own proxy, get your ISP to set it up on theirs) From baloo at ursine.ca Wed Dec 7 17:26:41 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Wed Dec 7 21:10:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I need recommendations for a economical fire wall for a small office. They > have a small WLAN with 4-8 computers and want to allow their customers to > use their internet connection (DSL). they need to prevent anyone from > accessing any of the company computers while allowing the company computers > to network. > > They currently have a Norton software firewall. Old computer running Linux, two network cards, and iptables. The software's free, lets you add in other stuff later (like your own caching proxy to reduce bandwidth usage, and to run adzapper to reduce visual clutter and bandwidth usage further). It also saves you a trip to the disposal facility and the dumping fees for properly disposing of the hardware, trying to sell an obsolete machine, or a hefty fine from the Department of Environmental Quality for throwing heavy metals out with the trash. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 7 20:52:09 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 7 21:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > | > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do | > | > indeed | > | > | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. | > | > | > | > | > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few | > times | > | > | and see. | > | > | > | > We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 | > | > cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory | > effects. | > | > | > | > | > | | > | Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come | > close | > | to 1000 cycles. | > | > Don't know that many or any made it to 1000 cycles but that was one of the | > test parameters. | > | > | | Hmm...well I'm not too concerned about the NiMH batteries anyways...it's my | old NiCd cells that I want to re-condition. I usually rubber band a few resistors 1-5K+/- (depends on the rating of the battery) across the terminals and let them sit until they are dead. then recharge I might repeat once or twice but if no improvement I send them to the recycle place. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 18:52:53 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 21:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" > > | > | > | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries > do > | > | > indeed > | > | > | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. > | > | > | > > | > | > | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? > | > | > | > > | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a > few > | > times > | > | > | and see. > | > | > > | > | > We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out > (1000 > | > | > cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory > | > effects. > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come > | > close > | > | to 1000 cycles. > | > > | > Don't know that many or any made it to 1000 cycles but that was one of > the > | > test parameters. > | > > | > > | > | Hmm...well I'm not too concerned about the NiMH batteries anyways...it's > my > | old NiCd cells that I want to re-condition. > > I usually rubber band a few resistors 1-5K+/- (depends on the rating of the > battery) across the terminals and let them sit until they are dead. then > recharge I might repeat once or twice but if no improvement I send them to > the recycle place. > > I have a digital clock / timer that's a perfect slow-train device. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Dec 7 18:53:32 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Dec 7 21:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Frog Prince wrote: >> >> I usually rubber band a few resistors 1-5K+/- (depends on the rating >> of the >> battery) across the terminals and let them sit until they are dead. then >> recharge I might repeat once or twice but if no improvement I send >> them to >> the recycle place. >> >> > > I have a digital clock / timer that's a perfect slow-train device. :) That should be slow-drain. :) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Dec 8 11:54:14 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Dec 8 05:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 References: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:21:20 -0800, baloo@ursine.ca coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Well, probably because using your hosts file or your own name server > to point ad source domains is the wrong way to block ads. What is "wrong" about it - other than the fact you prefer a different method, that is? >> Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of >> downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? > > http://adzapper.sf.net/ (if you don't have your own proxy, get your > ISP to set it up on theirs) Had you read further down the thread, you'd have seen that the problem was solved *without the use of additional software*. -- Steve Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? -- Matt Welsh From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Thu Dec 8 11:22:43 2005 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Thu Dec 8 06:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Seeking recomendation on a firewall for a small WiFi system References: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:25:28 -0500, Frog Prince wrote: > I'll find out more about what they have currently and would appreciate any > recommendations on hardware. My personal favourite, in use on my own home network, is the Cisco PIX 501: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/vpndevc/ps2030/ps2031/index.html -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From spam_hjp at yahoo.com Thu Dec 8 11:40:42 2005 From: spam_hjp at yahoo.com (Jim) Date: Thu Dec 8 11:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] They only finding this out now Message-ID: Millions Of Domain Names Registered With Fakes Names Those seeking to register the Website names likely provide inaccurate information to hide their identities or to prevent members of the public from contacting them, a Congressional auditor suspects.- Dec 07, 2005 http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2TQWBQRRLXRAUQSNDBOCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=174904958 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Dec 8 13:23:15 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Thu Dec 8 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: They only finding this out now References: Message-ID: "Jim" wrote in message news:dn9nmb$cfm$1@news.spamcop.net... : Millions Of Domain Names Registered With Fakes Names : Those seeking to register the Website names likely provide inaccurate information to hide their : identities or to prevent members of the public from contacting them, a Congressional auditor : suspects.- Dec 07, 2005 : : http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=2TQWBQRRLXRAUQSNDBOCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=174904958 Oh gee gosh, would someone actually DO that? Golly, that isn't very fair, is it? ;-] I was going to say it takes all kinds, but not with politicos; they are very obviously short on several kinds. Pop From user at domain.invalid Thu Dec 8 14:19:03 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Dec 8 15:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 07.12.2005 18:27, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > Frog Prince wrote: >> "Borgholio" >> >> | > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do >> indeed >> | > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. >> | > >> | > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? >> | > >> | > >> | >> | Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times >> | and see. >> >> We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 >> cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. >> >> > > Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come close > to 1000 cycles. Grab some of the PowerEX batteries that Thompson sells. From baloo at ursine.ca Fri Dec 9 22:25:55 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Sat Dec 10 02:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: "Server not found" page in Firefox 1.5 References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:21:20 -0800, baloo@ursine.ca coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in : > >> Well, probably because using your hosts file or your own name server >> to point ad source domains is the wrong way to block ads. > > What is "wrong" about it - other than the fact you prefer a different > method, that is? It breaks DNS in ways the system isn't going to expect or reasonably have any way to know about, causing exactly the problem you're seeing. >>> Does anyone know of a way to revert to the former situation short of >>> downgrading to Fx-1.0.7? >> >> http://adzapper.sf.net/ (if you don't have your own proxy, get your >> ISP to set it up on theirs) > > Had you read further down the thread, you'd have seen that the problem > was solved *without the use of additional software*. Then you don't want to solve your problem. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Dec 10 14:40:44 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Dec 10 14:45:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] MP3 to CD audio Message-ID: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> I have a bunch of MP3 files I ripped from my CDs. Now, I would like to burn an audio CD of a selection of my favorite MP3s, to play in a car CD player that doesn't support MP3. What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? Thanks. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Dec 10 14:06:11 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Dec 10 17:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MP3 to CD audio In-Reply-To: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> References: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > I have a bunch of MP3 files I ripped from my CDs. Now, I would like to > burn an audio CD of a selection of my favorite MP3s, to play in a car CD > player that doesn't support MP3. > > What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media > Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites > to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? > > Thanks. > Yep, just put the songs on a playlist and you can burn it to CD. From user at domain.invalid Sun Dec 11 12:50:23 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (user@domain.invalid) Date: Sun Dec 11 12:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MP3 to CD audio In-Reply-To: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> References: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > I have a bunch of MP3 files I ripped from my CDs. Now, I would like to > burn an audio CD of a selection of my favorite MP3s, to play in a car CD > player that doesn't support MP3. > > What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media > Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites > to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? > > Thanks. > get cdex http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdexos/ obxeye From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Dec 12 00:28:34 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Dec 12 03:30:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Borg, see this? (3rd party Spamcop team stats for SETI) Message-ID: Hey Borg, did you see this? (3rd party Spamcop team stats for SETI) http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=team_statistics&project=sah&teamid=31518 Kinda interesting... GREG... From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Dec 12 09:23:37 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Dec 12 12:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Borg, see this? (3rd party Spamcop team stats for SETI) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Hey Borg, did you see this? (3rd party Spamcop team stats for SETI) > > http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=team_statistics&project=sah&teamid=31518 > > Kinda interesting... > > GREG... Which part were you referring to? :) From baloo at ursine.ca Mon Dec 12 22:36:27 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Tue Dec 13 02:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MP3 to CD audio References: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media > Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites > to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? Easiest way I know is to reboot to your Linux partition and use arson or k3b, drag and drop your files into the audio CD section and click burn. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 13 09:40:57 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Dec 13 09:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MP3 to CD audio References: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <439EDD79.F217524A@spamcop.net> Borgholio wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > I have a bunch of MP3 files I ripped from my CDs. Now, I would like to > > burn an audio CD of a selection of my favorite MP3s, to play in a car CD > > player that doesn't support MP3. > > > > What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media > > Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites > > to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Yep, just put the songs on a playlist and you can burn it to CD. You mean they actually thought about doing it "the right way"[tm] and made it this simple? That's what I get for not trying the obvious. Thanks. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 13 09:42:23 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Dec 13 09:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MP3 to CD audio References: <439B2F3C.B12BA8C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <439EDDCF.C0BE91FC@spamcop.net> baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > What would be the best way of going about this? I have Windows Media > > Player, and RealPlayer, both of which I can use to transfer my favorites > > to my portable MP3 player. Can they burn "normal" audio CDs? > > Easiest way I know is to reboot to your Linux partition and use arson > or k3b, drag and drop your files into the audio CD section and click > burn. Well, all of the Linux/Unix/AIX/Solaris boxen that I telnet/ssh into are not at my desk, whereas my Windows box is, so that option is unfortunately not available to me at this time. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 08:44:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 14 08:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Computer problem (yes, more....) Message-ID: Lately my PC has taken to not shutting down correctly.....I do start/shutdown and get to the blue screen wallpaper right before the computer should turn off but it gets stuck there. I have to hit the power strip master button to turn off everything......but get this.....with all power outlets off, the keyboard still has power!!? And if I hit the master power switch again the computer immediately reboots without me having to hit the power switch on the box. Something is getting stuck......and how in god's name can the keyboard still have power if the power strip is turned off? Is the strip bad, or is the switch in the computer failing to open? I'm about ready to just give up on this thing what with my continued internet access problems, and now this.....if I reinstall win2K to try to rectify the situation, will that fsck up my whole PC, or will most of the apps still be ok? I really don't want to have to reinstall over 30-40 apps again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 08:46:09 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Wed Dec 14 08:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: ... : again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. Sounds like an opportunity waiting to happen! ;-) From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 09:54:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Dec 14 09:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: "indigo" | | I'm about ready to just give up on this thing what with my continued | internet access problems, and now this.....if I reinstall win2K to try to | rectify the situation, will that fsck up my whole PC, or will most of the | apps still be ok? I really don't want to have to reinstall over 30-40 apps | again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. If you want to donate the old one ... I have a 501C3 I'm working with that will use the machine and give you a valid receipt. FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 11:16:24 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 14 11:20:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: <43A04558.E08B4BB4@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: > > Lately my PC has taken to not shutting down correctly.....I do > start/shutdown and get to the blue screen wallpaper right before the > computer should turn off but it gets stuck there. I have to hit the power > strip master button to turn off everything......but get this.....with all > power outlets off, the keyboard still has power!!? And if I hit the master > power switch again the computer immediately reboots without me having to hit > the power switch on the box. Something is getting stuck......and how in > god's name can the keyboard still have power if the power strip is turned > off? Is the strip bad, or is the switch in the computer failing to open? What if you unplug the power strip from the wall? Then there's obviously no power going through it. (Though I'd be surprised if that's the problem.) As far as the computer turning on when you turn on the power strip, that's normal with today's computers. You can set the BIOS to turn on if it loses power and then gets power again, or you can tell it to stay off. As for the keyboard... I don't supposed it's a wireless keyboard with its own power? :-) Do you have things connected through a KVM? (A keyboard/video/mouse switch box that allows you to connect one set of peripherals to several computers.) Many of these have their own power, and supply power to the keyboard and mouse themselves, and not from the computer. (This helps keep them "alive" during the switch.) > I'm about ready to just give up on this thing what with my continued > internet access problems, and now this.....if I reinstall win2K to try to > rectify the situation, will that fsck up my whole PC, or will most of the > apps still be ok? I really don't want to have to reinstall over 30-40 apps > again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. Win2K has a "repair" install, which is supposed to repair Win2K itself, and leave the rest of the system intact. How well it works depends on how messed up is your system. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 11:47:37 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 14 11:50:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: <43A04558.E08B4BB4@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > As for the keyboard... > > I don't supposed it's a wireless keyboard with its own power? :-) > > Do you have things connected through a KVM? (A keyboard/video/mouse > switch box that allows you to connect one set of peripherals to > several computers.) Many of these have their own power, and supply > power to the keyboard and mouse themselves, and not from the > computer. (This helps keep them "alive" during the switch.) Nope. Plain old PS-2 keyboard. > Win2K has a "repair" install, which is supposed to repair Win2K > itself, and leave the rest of the system intact. How well it works > depends on how messed up is your system. > Ok, that sounds good....I'll try that over the weekend. Thanks. Oh, how do I run it? Put the CD ROM in, then what is the command line? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 14:34:02 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Dec 14 14:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: <43A04558.E08B4BB4@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43A073AA.2FC0BC8B@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: [...] > > Win2K has a "repair" install, which is supposed to repair Win2K > > itself, and leave the rest of the system intact. How well it works > > depends on how messed up is your system. > > > > Ok, that sounds good....I'll try that over the weekend. Thanks. Oh, how > do I run it? Put the CD ROM in, then what is the command line? As I recall, boot from the CD (or make the boot floppies and boot from them), and the install will tell you that it found an existing Win2K install, and to press "R" to repair. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Dec 14 14:41:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Dec 14 14:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: <43A04558.E08B4BB4@spamcop.net> <43A073AA.2FC0BC8B@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Thanks. Hope it works, that damn box is about to get a hammer put to it if it doesn't start behaving.... Kenneth Brody wrote: > indigo wrote: > > > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > [...] > > > Win2K has a "repair" install, which is supposed to repair Win2K > > > itself, and leave the rest of the system intact. How well it > > > works depends on how messed up is your system. > > > > > > > Ok, that sounds good....I'll try that over the weekend. Thanks. Oh, > > how > > do I run it? Put the CD ROM in, then what is the command line? > > As I recall, boot from the CD (or make the boot floppies and boot from > them), and the install will tell you that it found an existing Win2K > install, and to press "R" to repair. > > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | | > +-------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------- -+ > Don't e-mail me at: From gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 09:03:17 2005 From: gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net (G) Date: Fri Dec 16 09:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] How to handle viral email Message-ID: I'm curious what others would do in my situation. I've figured out how I can try to find the sender of a viral email, which I should disclaim may be useless to identify dial-up users, although if they send a legitimate email from their transient IP address, I have them. With the IP address in the header, which I also ping and tracert, I create a rule in Outlook to alert on any email with that IP address in the header, which I do not normally enable, but do "Run now". That said, having identified an infected user, or his or her employer, then what? Who do we notify, and how? The two options are being discussed. One is to have our recipient notify the sender that his or her PC is infected, and let the user seek whatever help can be had from IT. The other is for me as the system admin to attempt to identify the IT contact by whois or other means, or contact the infected user, at my discretion, offering the emails as evidence, and some level of assistance. There are probably other options, and I would welcome hearing them. There is also the question of where to draw the line. Do we assume that our AV is sufficient, and only respond if an affected user complains about receiving the denatured viral email? Do we only notify business partners, and for instance wash our hands of the problem if the infected sender is a friend, relative, or incidental business contact with whom we have no particular relationship (with a shrug to all those vendors who have contacted us on their own initiative)? Greg Stigers I hope this is the appropriate forum for this one From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 10:50:30 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Fri Dec 16 10:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: "G" wrote in message news:dnuhf7$ru2$1@news.spamcop.net... : I'm curious what others would do in my situation. I've figured out how I can : try to find the sender of a viral email, which I should disclaim may be : useless to identify dial-up users, although if they send a legitimate email : from their transient IP address, I have them. With the IP address in the : header, which I also ping and tracert, I create a rule in Outlook to alert : on any email with that IP address in the header, which I do not normally : enable, but do "Run now". : : That said, having identified an infected user, or his or her employer, then : what? Who do we notify, and how? : : The two options are being discussed. One is to have our recipient notify the : sender that his or her PC is infected, and let the user seek whatever help : can be had from IT. The other is for me as the system admin to attempt to : identify the IT contact by whois or other means, or contact the infected : user, at my discretion, offering the emails as evidence, and some level of : assistance. There are probably other options, and I would welcome hearing : them. : : There is also the question of where to draw the line. Do we assume that our : AV is sufficient, and only respond if an affected user complains about : receiving the denatured viral email? Do we only notify business partners, : and for instance wash our hands of the problem if the infected sender is a : friend, relative, or incidental business contact with whom we have no : particular relationship (with a shrug to all those vendors who have : contacted us on their own initiative)? : : Greg Stigers : I hope this is the appropriate forum for this one : : I'm not sure why the question; it seems like, if it were me, I would (and do): IFF I am certain I have the actual sender & it's not forged, Notify the sender AND the sender's server administrator (ISP, whatever), request a response for when the situation gets fixed, and then block that address until the response is received. Period; no exception. Nothing wrong with advising how to use alternate email routes, etc., in the notifications, especially if it's a preferred customer. If it's a customer, a phone call might be in order so as to prevent surprises. They will likely be grateful to know they are infected. Lots of ways to be nice about it and to look like the great business they know you are. Unless you're not. The only other alternative I see is to ignore it and do nothing. And if this is a business, start limiting personal usage of the system as much as reasonable. Email is not/should never be, the ONLY functional means of contact. Pop From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Dec 16 08:00:04 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Dec 16 11:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: G wrote: > I'm curious what others would do in my situation. My first reflex is to suggest that you 'handle' it in the 'traditional' manner that most 'diligent' end user recipients handle it who are not in any kind of admin position. That is, a common diligent enduser process is to characterize the received virus, and to examine the headers for the IP source as well as any additional 'clues' -- for example I have seen viral propagations in the past which 'gave away' the email address or account of an AOL propagator by showing an AOL Xline of X-Apparently-From which had a correct address. But, most non-admins who dissect a viral propagation are /not/ going to have an actual username or email address, but instead will only have an IP address. Then, the diligent enduser would notify the provider for the IP in the 'standard' spamcop or spam notify method, namely by whois correlating the IP address with the regional internet registrar netblock provider admin contact or the abuse.net for that contact's domainname or perhaps the IP rDNS domainname abuse.net reg'd admin contact. That notification would consist of the complete headers of the viral propagation and the 'enclosure' of the propagation right down to the attached executable, which would be excised. The body of the notify would very very briefly say why the provider was being notified and the characterization of the viral propagation. The problem is that the vast majority of notified providers are not going to do anything about it. That problem is so pervasive that most diligent endusers have 'retired' from being diligent, and so now they just report via spamcop's automated system or not at all. By your being in an admin position where you are able to 'do more', you can communicate with the other admin and maybe find out what the other admin's policy is. But I don't think you are going to /change/ the other admin's policy -- so that admin is going to continue to do nothing and you will tire of this extra diligence. > The two options are being discussed. One is to have our recipient > notify the sender that his or her PC is infected, The ability to transform an IP into the user's address is not going to work most of the time, so that option is not really an option. In spite of what you've said, the dynamics don't translate because they are dynamic, and the likelihood of an IP being sufficiently static that it provides you with an opportunity to correlate an IP with an address is going to be more the exception rather than the 'rule'. > The other is for me as the > system admin to attempt to identify the IT contact by whois or other > means, That is the normal diligent user strategy, but you have an admin edge -- but your admin edge might not be worth much. > There is also the question of where to draw the line. Do we assume > that our AV is sufficient, and only respond if an affected user > complains about receiving the denatured viral email? It is important that you be diligent about your AV competency -- but viruses are going to slip in. Some providers use AV on their uses' outgoing - or block port 25 from their users. Why are you accepting smtp transactions from user IP viral propagations? What are your policies re stripping vs 'sidetracking' viral propagations? My mail provider gives me the option to virus block, and when enabled I don't get the stripped result, I just get a notify that a virus mail was stopped and I can go see it in the quarantine zone. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Dec 16 08:26:03 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Dec 16 11:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: "Pop" > "G" wrote > : I'm curious what others would do in my situation. I've figured > out how I can > : try to find the sender of a viral email, which I should > disclaim may be Notice how your native OE and its configuration chop up the other person's post into shortlines. Very ugly and difficult to read. Of course, we've read it already, but if it is being cited, we must be supposed to read it again. Fortunately I don't have to look at it like you posted it, because my QuoteFix fixes mine, yours, and everyone else's, usually. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Dec 16 17:38:12 2005 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Dec 16 13:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9lab73-mgv.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Mike Easter wrote: > > The problem is that the vast majority of notified providers are not > going to do anything about it. That problem is so pervasive that most > diligent endusers have 'retired' from being diligent, and so now they > just report via spamcop's automated system or not at all. I've notified Qwest for about six months about some user who kept sending viruses to me. I finally gave up and let procmail delete them for me. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 15:47:14 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Fri Dec 16 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dnuppv$1e2$1@news.spamcop.net... : "Pop" : > "G" wrote : : > : I'm curious what others would do in my situation. I've figured : > out how I can : > : try to find the sender of a viral email, which I should : > disclaim may be : : Notice how your native OE and its configuration chop up the other : person's post into shortlines. : : Very ugly and difficult to read. Of course, we've read it already, but : if it is being cited, we must be supposed to read it again. : : Fortunately I don't have to look at it like you posted it, because my : QuoteFix fixes mine, yours, and everyone else's, usually. : : -- : Mike Easter : kibitzer, not SC admin : Huh! Thought I'd fixed that long ago. When I get time ... Pop From nobody at nowhere.not Fri Dec 16 21:18:29 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Fri Dec 16 16:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:03:17 UTC, "G" wrote: > I'm curious what others would do in my situation. 1. do not use OE 2. only use text mode not HTML in your email client I never worry about viruses following the above advice. -- Robert Blair From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Dec 16 16:24:25 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Dec 16 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dnp7j9$t87$1@news.spamcop.net... > Lately my PC has taken to not shutting down correctly.....I do > start/shutdown and get to the blue screen wallpaper right before the > computer should turn off but it gets stuck there. I have to hit the power > strip master button to turn off everything......but get this.....with all > power outlets off, the keyboard still has power!!? And if I hit the master > power switch again the computer immediately reboots without me having to hit > the power switch on the box. Something is getting stuck......and how in > god's name can the keyboard still have power if the power strip is turned > off? Is the strip bad, or is the switch in the computer failing to open? > > I'm about ready to just give up on this thing what with my continued > internet access problems, and now this.....if I reinstall win2K to try to > rectify the situation, will that fsck up my whole PC, or will most of the > apps still be ok? I really don't want to have to reinstall over 30-40 apps > again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. I have had several hangs where nothing but nothing would shut the PC off, I had to physically unplug the power cord from the back, restart it, then it's fine. Try that, and also the repair or go-back feature to restore what you used to have. Also, is all your power management stuff set to manual? From ftabor at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 17:39:03 2005 From: ftabor at gmail.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Fri Dec 16 17:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: I see where, indigo managed to write: >Lately my PC has taken to not shutting down correctly.....I do >start/shutdown and get to the blue screen wallpaper right before the >computer should turn off but it gets stuck there. I have to hit the power >strip master button to turn off everything......but get this.....with all >power outlets off, the keyboard still has power!!? And if I hit the master >power switch again the computer immediately reboots without me having to hit >the power switch on the box. Something is getting stuck......and how in >god's name can the keyboard still have power if the power strip is turned >off? Is the strip bad, or is the switch in the computer failing to open? > >I'm about ready to just give up on this thing what with my continued >internet access problems, and now this.....if I reinstall win2K to try to >rectify the situation, will that fsck up my whole PC, or will most of the >apps still be ok? I really don't want to have to reinstall over 30-40 apps >again, I'll buy a new PC if it comes to that. > I seem to remember a problem with shut downs and network connections. search the MS Knowledge base on shutdown and networking. -- Frank Tabor From asterix at no_where.net Sat Dec 17 00:07:59 2005 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Fri Dec 16 18:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: <1h7ote6.my6s4z4qlup7N%asterix@no_where.net> Pop wrote: > IFF I am certain I have the actual sender & it's not forged, You can be certain the sender *is* spoofed. Virtually every mail virus the last 5 years does that. That's why "G" is discussing IP addresses, not "senders". -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From asterix at no_where.net Sat Dec 17 00:07:59 2005 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Fri Dec 16 18:10:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: <1h7otkb.1ox9wca1g64a88N%asterix@no_where.net> Robert Blair wrote: > On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:03:17 UTC, "G" > wrote: > > > I'm curious what others would do in my situation. > > 1. do not use OE > 2. only use text mode not HTML in your email client 3. do not use Windows (Sorry - couldn't resist - it's too obvious) :-) -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Dec 17 01:20:02 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Dec 16 20:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] That Dam Log-on Screen Message-ID: A question before I go to bed, hopefully someone may have answered it when I wake up and I'll understand it :) I've never used a log on screen when booting up XP or any other system, but, one has now appeared. I downloaded some podcast software and it required Net Framework to be installed to work correctly. I ran Windows Update, downloaded and installed Net Framework then installed the podcast software. Upon reboot I had the XP log on screen with just my account showing and no password to put in. Checking Control Panel > Users I see three accounts, mine as administrator, "ASP.NET Machine A...:" and "Guest" which is off. As far as I recall the ASP.Net Machine a... and Guest were not there previously, I presume they are to do with Net Framework and the podcast software that has Bittorrent incorporated into it. Question is, how do I get back to automatically logging into my account without going through the log on process every time? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at nowhere.not Sat Dec 17 04:08:56 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Fri Dec 16 23:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: <1h7otkb.1ox9wca1g64a88N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:07:59 UTC, asterix@no_where.net (Asterix) wrote: > 3. do not use Windows (Sorry - couldn't resist - it's too obvious) :-) I don't. Too many people do for some strange reason so I did not mention it. -- Robert Blair From user at domain.invalid Sat Dec 17 09:15:11 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sat Dec 17 10:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: That Dam Log-on Screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16.12.2005 19:20, Canopus wrote: --- Original Message --- > A question before I go to bed, hopefully someone may have answered it when > I wake up and I'll understand it :) > > I've never used a log on screen when booting up XP or any other system, > but, one has now appeared. I downloaded some podcast software and it > required Net Framework to be installed to work correctly. I ran Windows > Update, downloaded and installed Net Framework then installed the podcast > software. Upon reboot I had the XP log on screen with just my account > showing and no password to put in. Checking Control Panel > Users I see > three accounts, mine as administrator, "ASP.NET Machine A...:" and "Guest" > which is off. As far as I recall the ASP.Net Machine a... and Guest were > not there previously, I presume they are to do with Net Framework and the > podcast software that has Bittorrent incorporated into it. > > Question is, how do I get back to automatically logging into my account > without going through the log on process every time? > When you installed the softwares, did you specify for "Administrator" or "All Users" ? From user at domain.invalid Sat Dec 17 10:36:01 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sat Dec 17 11:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16.12.2005 08:03, G wrote: --- Original Message --- > I'm curious what others would do in my situation. I've figured out how I can > try to find the sender of a viral email, which I should disclaim may be > useless to identify dial-up users, although if they send a legitimate email > from their transient IP address, I have them. With the IP address in the > header, which I also ping and tracert, I create a rule in Outlook to alert > on any email with that IP address in the header, which I do not normally > enable, but do "Run now". > > That said, having identified an infected user, or his or her employer, then > what? Who do we notify, and how? > > The two options are being discussed. One is to have our recipient notify the > sender that his or her PC is infected, and let the user seek whatever help > can be had from IT. The other is for me as the system admin to attempt to > identify the IT contact by whois or other means, or contact the infected > user, at my discretion, offering the emails as evidence, and some level of > assistance. There are probably other options, and I would welcome hearing > them. > > There is also the question of where to draw the line. Do we assume that our > AV is sufficient, and only respond if an affected user complains about > receiving the denatured viral email? Do we only notify business partners, > and for instance wash our hands of the problem if the infected sender is a > friend, relative, or incidental business contact with whom we have no > particular relationship (with a shrug to all those vendors who have > contacted us on their own initiative)? > > Greg Stigers > I hope this is the appropriate forum for this one > > Some of the more common viruses and worms entrench themselves into the users address book feature, especially Outlook Express and propagate the virus or worm to EVERY address in your book and henceforth from every body elses address book ad infinitum. These users may be, and usually are, unaware that THEY are included in this propagation anomaly. So, to blame those users, simply alert the ISP as to what's happening,etc, so that the User can make the necessary adjustments and virus/worm elimination. From six.million at dollar.man Sat Dec 17 17:17:32 2005 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sat Dec 17 17:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Maxtor Drive Message-ID: After my Windows Server 2003 box started exhibiting strange lock-ups... and I determined there were no viruses or spyware... I discovered the Maxtor 5000LE 80GB external USB drive seemed to be the culprit. According to the Maxtor KnowledgeBase, the file system became corrupted -- although it stayed connected to the PC continually and was never physically disconnected. Regardless, I am SOL. I have a new drive and formatted it NTFS to help prevent problems. However -- I still have tons of data on that other drive that I would like to recover. I found some recovery tools but unfortunately if the drive is on and plugged into the PC it is sluggish and the simple task of opening explorer takes over a minute, then navigating to the directory where the recover software is loaded also takes forever -- seems the system is continually trying to handshake the defective drive. I plugged it into a laptop (running XP Pro) and it doesn't have those issues -- but I still get the "I/O Error" when trying to access the driive. Wonder if there are any suggestions. I consulted a few local computer shops but the employees there barely know how to work the cash register, much less provide repair for equipment (especially if it wasn't purchased at their store). I might consider sending it somewhere, but given some of my data is sensitive, that would be only an act of desperation. Anyway... any ideas on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --- dwacon www.dwacon.com From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat Dec 17 16:56:42 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat Dec 17 18:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Maxtor Drive References: Message-ID: dwåcôn did pass the time by typing: > After my Windows Server 2003 box started exhibiting strange lock-ups... and > I determined there were no viruses or spyware... I discovered the Maxtor > 5000LE 80GB external USB drive seemed to be the culprit. It's just an ATA or SATA hard drive in a case you probably can install it in your computer. All the ones at work (not the same vendor though) are just regular hard drives in an external case. -- DougW From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Dec 17 22:31:33 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Dec 17 22:35:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Maxtor Drive References: Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:do22pn$qa7$1@news.spamcop.net... | After my Windows Server 2003 box started exhibiting strange lock-ups... and | I determined there were no viruses or spyware... I discovered the Maxtor | 5000LE 80GB external USB drive seemed to be the culprit. | | According to the Maxtor KnowledgeBase, the file system became corrupted -- | although it stayed connected to the PC continually and was never physically | disconnected. Regardless, I am SOL. | | I have a new drive and formatted it NTFS to help prevent problems. | However -- I still have tons of data on that other drive that I would like | to recover. | | I found some recovery tools but unfortunately if the drive is on and plugged | into the PC it is sluggish and the simple task of opening explorer takes | over a minute, then navigating to the directory where the recover software | is loaded also takes forever -- seems the system is continually trying to | handshake the defective drive. | | I plugged it into a laptop (running XP Pro) and it doesn't have those | issues -- but I still get the "I/O Error" when trying to access the driive. | | Wonder if there are any suggestions. I consulted a few local computer shops | but the employees there barely know how to work the cash register, much less | provide repair for equipment (especially if it wasn't purchased at their | store). I might consider sending it somewhere, but given some of my data is | sensitive, that would be only an act of desperation. | | Anyway... any ideas on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated. | Thanks! I had a similar problem with a Maxtor drive I was able to go to the dos C:\ prompt (from boot) and used Xcopy to move everything to another folder on a different drive. I was using W98SE so that may not be an option for your case. There is always the option to copy to an on line storage for transfer to the new drive. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Dec 18 10:37:37 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sun Dec 18 10:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: <1h7otkb.1ox9wca1g64a88N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: "Robert Blair" wrote in message news:TECQXhvKj0FX-pn2-tXx4g7j5hmQd@dsl-206-55-144-107.tstonramp.com... : On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:07:59 UTC, asterix@no_where.net (Asterix) : wrote: : : > 3. do not use Windows (Sorry - couldn't resist - it's too obvious) :-) : : I don't. Too many people do for some strange reason so I did not : mention it. : I do. Too many people for some strange reason would rather use incompletely functional apps than bother to learn how to use the one they have and enjoy the occasional use of the greater feature set. Not an uneducated comment: Tried 'em all, ff, moz, op, et al, even ns, and ie/oe got the best, most usable function set with the exception of handling Replies. To Reply I have to add 2 keystrokes before I start typing. : : -- : Robert Blair From joegill at removethis Sun Dec 18 22:14:48 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sun Dec 18 22:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Maxtor Drive References: Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:do22pn$qa7$1@news.spamcop.net... > After my Windows Server 2003 box started exhibiting strange lock-ups... and > I determined there were no viruses or spyware... I discovered the Maxtor > 5000LE 80GB external USB drive seemed to be the culprit. > > According to the Maxtor KnowledgeBase, the file system became corrupted -- > although it stayed connected to the PC continually and was never physically > disconnected. Regardless, I am SOL. > > I have a new drive and formatted it NTFS to help prevent problems. > However -- I still have tons of data on that other drive that I would like > to recover. > > I found some recovery tools but unfortunately if the drive is on and plugged > into the PC it is sluggish and the simple task of opening explorer takes > over a minute, then navigating to the directory where the recover software > is loaded also takes forever -- seems the system is continually trying to > handshake the defective drive. > > I plugged it into a laptop (running XP Pro) and it doesn't have those > issues -- but I still get the "I/O Error" when trying to access the driive. > > Wonder if there are any suggestions. I consulted a few local computer shops > but the employees there barely know how to work the cash register, much less > provide repair for equipment (especially if it wasn't purchased at their > store). I might consider sending it somewhere, but given some of my data is > sensitive, that would be only an act of desperation. > > Anyway... any ideas on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks! > > > > --- > dwacon > www.dwacon.com > > 1) If you are saying "...file system became corrupted..", there are sometimes ways to recover? ,,,, What did a FULL CHKDSK with the /F option show? This option will force a reboot.... 2) If it is simply a file system corruption, there are supposedly tools available to fix that! 3) There are companies that do data recovery. Some do recovery where you send the drive in and other can do it over the internet! However, be forewarned IT IS NOT CHEAP!. It comes down to how bad do you want the data back? I have a company that I used for remote recovery a couple years back. If interested in my experience, look at my headers and decode my email address. If others want the info, and don't mind a company name, reply to this thread. I have the name of another one too! 4) Large reputable data recovery companies handle sensitive business data every day as part of their day to day operations... From gregstigers at spamcop.net Mon Dec 19 07:21:34 2005 From: gregstigers at spamcop.net (Greg Stigers) Date: Mon Dec 19 07:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: Thanks for your responses. I know that I'm a newbie here, and out of my depths in some sense. I still have a lot to learn about email administration. Please pardon the length of my response, but I wanted to respond to various comments all at once. Pop wrote: >and then block that address until the response is received. >Period; no exception. My concern isn't blocking viral email. If we're not secure against the virus, it's my job to secure us. And once we're secure, blocking the IP address is only going to seem punative and annoy people. It won't help against a now neutered threat, and would also block legitimate email. Blocking the email address will allow viral email thru with its forged addresses, and only block legitimate email. I can't justify either of those. >The only other alternative I see is to ignore it and do nothing. In three of the five cases where I did what I described, there was a business reason to address the problem. Doing nothing would have been wrong. Asterix wrote: >You can be certain the sender *is* spoofed. >That's why "G" is discussing IP addresses, not "senders". Exactly. I could have been more clear apparently. What is interesting about my approach is it lets me take the IP address from an email with a forged address, and by finding legitimate email from the same IP address, determine whose system is infected. Once I know that, and only after I know that, I have to decide what to do. There is some question about me spending the time to find the address. There is another question about what I do if the sender is not an employee under the parent company's umbrella, or something like that. Mike Easter wrote: >That is, a common diligent enduser process is to That's some end user. ;-) >The ability to transform an IP into the user's address is not going to >work most of the time, so that option is not really an option. I may not be qualified to have an opinion. Granted, I've come up empty a few times, and been unable to id the sender. In one aggregious case, I provided a second rule to four recipients that would notify them when they got a legitimate email from the address in question, and got a hit within a day, and another two more days after that. For those that have been generating a non-trivial number of viral email, this approach has allowed me to identify three infected senders, since I started using it a little more than a week ago. >Why are you accepting smtp transactions from user IP viral propagations? I don't understand this question, or the implication of what I might do differently. >What are your policies re stripping vs 'sidetracking' viral >propagations? I've changed our email AV toward more of a default to first attempt repair, and then strip, so users now see that they were sent a viral email. Without this, I cannot see headers to begin sleuthing. Robert Blair wrote: >I never worry about viruses following the above advice. We use Outlook, not OE, for corporate email. I use OE for personal email, thus. But it is not just about protecting us from some given threat today. I liken it to getting a drunk driver off the road. I can't do anything about what they did before. I cannot know if they will hurt anyone today. But by acting, I probably reduce the likelihood of them causing harm. If someone has Sober.X or Mytob or Netsky, then they are probably somewhat more vulnerable to whatever Sober.X is going to do in January when it downloads sober.exe, or whatever the next variant is. I can in part defend my actions because we saw Sober.X early, and in spite of being up to date, AV did not detect it. I had to manually download an update, apply it to our email AV, and provide it outside normal channels (we will be revisiting this design as well for better centralization of updates). While we are not at risk from the viral email I'm chasing today, we might be from whatever comes next. If I can encourage better practices and due caution in our business circle, maybe we are somewhat safer than we would be otherwise. It's rather like reporting spam, isn't it? User wrote: >simply alert the ISP as to what's happening,etc, so >that the User can make the necessary adjustments and virus/worm elimination. And others recommended reporting to the ISP, whereas some mentioned ISPs being less than responsive. It's an interesting idea, that keeps my identity out of the picture. Is that a good thing, or a bad thing? We are discussing whether I contact the admin, or have our receiving user contact the infected user. No one has said which they believe to be more likely to produce results. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Dec 19 09:02:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Dec 19 09:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > I have had several hangs where nothing but nothing would shut the PC > off, I had to physically unplug the power cord from the back, restart > it, then it's fine. Try that, and also the repair or go-back > feature to restore what you used to have. Also, is all your power > management stuff set to manual? I ran the repair on my PC Saturday, it almost frigging destroyed my computer! Yes, it solved the shutdown and accessing the internet problems, but it also corrupted OE, and completely corrupted my Office 2000 install. The excel.exe file is there, but it won't run. And every time I clicked on an icon to check if the program was working ok I'd get the Windows installer dialog box that kept saying it needed to install "quicken.msi". How the hell did that happen? I kept hitting cancel a bazillion times but finally gave in and loaded the app it was asking for -- the thing weird thing is that I didn't even have Quicken installed on my system! I use TurboTax. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Dec 19 09:07:08 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Dec 19 09:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer problem (yes, more....) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:do6eh5$1d4$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Spamvireslayer wrote: | > I have had several hangs where nothing but nothing would shut the PC | > off, I had to physically unplug the power cord from the back, restart | > it, then it's fine. Try that, and also the repair or go-back | > feature to restore what you used to have. Also, is all your power | > management stuff set to manual? | | I ran the repair on my PC Saturday, it almost frigging destroyed my | computer! Yes, it solved the shutdown and accessing the internet problems, | but it also corrupted OE, and completely corrupted my Office 2000 install. | The excel.exe file is there, but it won't run. And every time I clicked on | an icon to check if the program was working ok I'd get the Windows installer | dialog box that kept saying it needed to install "quicken.msi". How the hell | did that happen? I kept hitting cancel a bazillion times but finally gave in | and loaded the app it was asking for -- the thing weird thing is that I | didn't even have Quicken installed on my system! I use TurboTax. Some elements of Quicken are in TTAX. From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Mon Dec 19 08:10:48 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Mon Dec 19 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: In article , "Greg Stigers" writes: > Pop wrote: >>and then block that address until the response is received. >>Period; no exception. > My concern isn't blocking viral email. If we're not secure against the > virus, it's my job to secure us. Virus scanners work by looking for _known_ virus signatures. If you run a virus scanner you are still susceptible to _new_ viruses until they are recognized by the scanner vendors and added to their set of signatures. Thus communicating with those who are susceptible to viruses (as proven by the fact that they caught one) is not a good move, since there is reason to believe they might catch one that is not yet handled by your scanners. > And once we're secure, blocking the IP > address is only going to seem punative and annoy people. Around here the police often ticket people who drive to endanger. The police are supposed to keep the roads safe, not make friends. > It won't help > against a now neutered threat, and would also block legitimate email. The only way it is a neutered threat is if you are running exclusively machines that do not get viruses. In other words, not Windows, Linux or Macintosh. Otherwise you are always vulnerable to a new virus not yet handled by your virs scanners. > Blocking the email address will allow viral email thru with its forged > addresses, and only block legitimate email. I strongly doubt that Pop advocated trusting the From: address to protect against viruses. Nobody else around here does. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Dec 19 10:00:27 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Dec 19 13:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: Greg Stigers wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> That is, a common diligent enduser process is to > > That's some end user. ;-) Ideally your contextualized replies would have an empty line before your words begin, like so... >> That is, a common diligent enduser process is to > > That's some end user. ;-) ... to enhance readability. >> Why are you accepting smtp transactions from user IP viral >> propagations? > I don't understand this question, or the implication of what I might > do differently. Oops. I have to run off. To be continued. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Dec 19 19:54:46 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Mon Dec 19 21:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: ... : : I strongly doubt that Pop advocated trusting the From: address : to protect against viruses. Nobody else around here does. Definitely not. The "From" is seldom, if ever anymore, the real source of the spam. From is a useless field in spamdom. Pop From caroljean52 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 19 22:11:32 2005 From: caroljean52 at yahoo.com (caroljean52) Date: Tue Dec 20 01:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: That Dam Log-on Screen References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:dnvp42$jfc$1@news.spamcop.net... > Question is, how do I get back to automatically logging into my account > without going through the log on process every time? That turns up on my computer from time to time, apparently for no reason. It does NOT happen every time I start the machine. I just figure it's one of those Windows quirks that I just live with because it would take a lot longer to figure out and fix! Carol Seattle USA From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Dec 20 08:51:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Dec 20 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: That Dam Log-on Screen References: Message-ID: caroljean52 wrote: > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:dnvp42$jfc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Question is, how do I get back to automatically logging into my > > account without going through the log on process every time? > > That turns up on my computer from time to time, apparently for no > reason. It does NOT happen every time I start the machine. I just > figure it's one of those Windows quirks that I just live with because > it would take a lot longer to figure out and fix! > There's a way to permanently fix that, I'm not sure if you need MSCONFIG to do it or if it's something emedded in Windows already.....it's been so long since I've fixed it I don't remember how I did it, but if you googled it I'm sure it would pop up. From user at domain.invalid Tue Dec 20 08:13:19 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Dec 20 09:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 19.12.2005 18:54, Pop wrote: --- Original Message --- > ... > : > : I strongly doubt that Pop advocated trusting the From: address > : to protect against viruses. Nobody else around here does. > > Definitely not. The "From" is seldom, if ever anymore, the real > source of the spam. From is a useless field in spamdom. > > Pop > > Not only that but many times the "From:" is your own address ... :-) From joegill at removethis Tue Dec 20 12:15:32 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Dec 20 12:20:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: That Dam Log-on Screen References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:do9291$dre$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > caroljean52 wrote: > > "Canopus" wrote in message > > news:dnvp42$jfc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Question is, how do I get back to automatically logging into my > > > account without going through the log on process every time? > > > > That turns up on my computer from time to time, apparently for no > > reason. It does NOT happen every time I start the machine. I just > > figure it's one of those Windows quirks that I just live with because > > it would take a lot longer to figure out and fix! > > > > There's a way to permanently fix that, I'm not sure if you need MSCONFIG to > do it or if it's something emedded in Windows already.....it's been so long > since I've fixed it I don't remember how I did it, but if you googled it I'm > sure it would pop up. > > I guess I have a whole different 'take' on the logon screen, and maybe I am living with a 'false sense of security'... I have, passwords turned on, use 'strong' password, and a timeout interval. In addition, 'guest' is disabled. My 'theory', is that if someone can 'hack' to my PC, then they have to crack to password.... Also if the PC is stolen .. .same security.. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Dec 21 06:29:36 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dnuo98$je$1@news.spamcop.net... > That is the normal diligent user strategy, but you have an admin edge -- > but your admin edge might not be worth much. I recently complained to my ISP about an onslaught of Sober from Verizon. He was not very encouraging saying he complained to insightbb for a month before they stopped. I know very well that ISPs can use AV to filter them out, but my ISP won't do it saying it is too hard. And they won't use blocklists. However, the Sober does stop coming after about a week. The downside is that we are now on the 4th IP address! I am going to change my ISP to one that does use blocklists (when I get the time), but then who is going to notify verizon? Miss Betsy From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Dec 21 12:44:43 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: That Dam Log-on Screen References: Message-ID: jOn Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:31:38 -0600, Kenneth Loafman coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > If I've physically got your computer, I've got your data *unless* said > data is encrypted with strong encryption and Windows has left no clues in > the registry, etc. All you've done is slow me down the length of time it > takes for me to go to the web and get a Windows password cracker. Last > time I looked, there were a bunch. Or you remove the HD from the stolen machine and connect it to yours. Anything unencrypted is available immediately. > You might slow me down some more with a BIOS password, but that's not more > than 10 minutes to clear at the most. See above :) SMART drives, OTOH, can integrate a password into the HD itself. That's harder to crack. -- Steve Profanity is the one language all programmers know best. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Dec 21 06:47:04 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Dec 21 06:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: "Greg Stigers" wrote in message news:do68kf$ubt$1@news.spamcop.net... > Pop wrote: > >and then block that address until the response is received. > >Period; no exception. > My concern isn't blocking viral email. If we're not secure against the > virus, it's my job to secure us. And once we're secure, blocking the IP > address is only going to seem punative and annoy people. It won't help > against a now neutered threat, and would also block legitimate email. > Blocking the email address will allow viral email thru with its forged > addresses, and only block legitimate email. I can't justify either of those. Since you are working for a business, you probably can't use blocklists that reject at the server telling the sender that there is a problem. (If more businesses were willing to take the risk of offending clients by refusing suspect email, spam would become less of a problem, IMHO) However, for end users, blocklists work just fine. *senders* who are irresponsible (including end users who choose incompetent and irresponsible ISPs) should bear the brunt of finding another way of using reliable email. I don't see the point in sending end users an email saying that they received a virus. If you are going to intercept them, just put them in the bit bucket. Since I am not a server admin, I don't follow what you are doing. If it helps you to find senders that are part of your company, then it is probably worthwhile. Though IIWY I would be lobbying for stricter AV and end user education. No excuse for businesses to be infected. Otherwise, probably your company wouldn't want you to be a Good Samaritan by taking extra time to identify and notify virus senders. It isn't difficult to notify the ISP and that you should probably do as a responsible corporate entity on the internet. And yes, there are some end users who do notify the ISP. It is not that difficult to do. Miss Betsy an almost new internet user From user at domain.invalid Wed Dec 21 07:24:53 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Dec 21 08:25:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I know very well that ISPs can use AV to filter them out, but my > ISP won't do it saying it is too hard. And they won't use > blocklists. Hmm, what's so difficult about installing ClamAV? And besides, it's "self-maintaining". Excuses excuses. Like you said, changing ISP's is the best course, if feasible of course (not the only game in town). From nobody at nowhere.not Wed Dec 21 19:34:24 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Wed Dec 21 14:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:29:36 UTC, "Miss Betsy" wrote: > I am going to change my ISP to one that does use blocklists (when I > get the time), but then who is going to notify verizon? I do not want my ISP to block any of my email, they get it wrong too often and I do not get email I really want. My reason for changing ISPs is if they do not have an optout of their spam/virus blocking. -- Robert Blair From user at domain.invalid Wed Dec 21 18:08:20 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Dec 21 19:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email In-Reply-To: